general-feedback-discussion

[devout sun]

"it's not supposed to be on land anyway why make it useful at all?"

[jolly void]

Saying that they're bad players doesn't make deino invincible

[devout sun]

because what are you gonna do, nerf it so hard it's useless?

[barren zephyr]

My point is that we shouldn't balance based on bad players because good players push the dino to the limits and show how strong they actually are

[compact hare]

if there is something that deino is not right now, is invencible

[barren zephyr]

A good deino virtually cannot die in a group right now

[devout sun]

That makes sense

I don't see anything killing a whole group of great deino players

it would be weird if something could right now

[jolly void]

Yes. It. Can.
Other deino groups, and stego groups on land far away from the water

[devout sun]

Shallow river stegos

[barren zephyr]

I don't want them to be weaker strength or anything like that I just think a mechanic where they can only be in water for x amount of time would help land Carnivores have a window of opportunity to get their own back

[devout sun]

i dont care how many deinos you have, your fked

[devout sun]

They do have that

[urban flax]

There already is one
Oxygen

[jolly void]

Oxygen exists

[devout sun]

they have to constantly switch too

oxygen drain limits water

and they have the worst thirst in game too

to limit time on land

[jolly void]

Being exposed for a certain amount of time is enough.

[devout sun]

Deino can't just run down the side of shallow river

[barren zephyr]

Take South waterfalls there was easily like 30 deinos there on one of the eu servers last night

Nothing could touch thwm

[pale bloom]

Oxygen and the eventual fast stamina recover with resting

[jolly void]

Then players can actually see them and know not to go to drink

[devout sun]

Don't go over there and give them food

they will starve or fight eachother

think critically like that while playing, it's how you make situations better

[jolly void]

Exactly, it's that easy ^

[barren zephyr]

I smurfed a few as Utah but there's always a dumb Carno or Utah who get caught and give them free food

Can't really starve them out

[jolly void]

Just don't go there.

[devout sun]

^

[jolly void]

They'll starve eventually

Fish don't feed them

[devout sun]

if they move, stay away from the water that you so desperately want them never to leave without getting shunned to the shadow realm by the gods

[barren zephyr]

Ah yes just don't go near them ever

[jolly void]

Or, if you hate deinos that much, don't drink water at all and die of thirst

[barren zephyr]

That's a cool play 😭

[devout sun]

Shin that's the same argument people make against deinos

[jolly void]

Yes, if they're at the water, yes

[devout sun]

"I want to go to the swamp but I have to get killed by 8 stegos through the shallow river, please fix this!"

nah just dont go there

[jolly void]

And if they're on land if you're smaller than a stego and solo

[devout sun]

like dafuq kinda argument is that

my cereal just got soggy enough it'

s dissolving

[jolly void]

F

[hollow jungle]

shin if you think about it denios were the top of the food chain at there time or so we think so i think its balenced

[carmine path]

Our plan worked swimmingly

[jolly void]

Also, yeah, almost forgot about that, there's a whole shallow river that's literally a deino trap shin, they die all the time

[urban flax]

Damn you

[devout sun]

XD

[jolly void]

i hate you

[barren zephyr]

I don't care if they're insanely giga OP in water that's fair, that's their place, but on land especially far away from water they shouldn't be so absurdly strong

When they can easily push carnos out of the plains

Like how is that not a problem lol

[compact hare]

Explore the rivers and you will find a lot of points that dont have deinos
shallow rivers
no fish at all
no spawn point (which I find it unfair, only 3 sp is .. idk)
Or just impossible to access as a deino

[jolly void]

Rn they can't push a carno pack.

[barren zephyr]

Saw it myself last night

[jolly void]

Unless they're bad, but you said that we shouldn't balance dinos because of bad players

[devout sun]

A full group of deinos shouldn't be able to be killed by a full group of anything currently in the roster

except maybe a full group of stegos

[hollow jungle]

denios are a fair dino in my eyes

[devout sun]

not even on land

[pale bloom]

I mean Deino doesn't even 1 shot Utahs on land with a direct headshot so, idk how's that is "Insanely Strong"

[hollow jungle]

and i dont play denio that much

[devout sun]

it doesnt matter if they are "immortal" on land

just dont fight them

it's not like they can run you down

they have the worst time on land than anything else

even stegos can outrun them

[hollow jungle]

exaktly

[devout sun]

honestly you could give them any biteforce you want

[carmine path]

Deino is a slow little shit once that bucko runs 5ft on land he is out of stam

[hollow jungle]

frick my gramar

[devout sun]

even all 26k N of biteforce they had IRL

it wouldn't change anything

it would just make it more punishing to get caught by one somehow on land

which you shouldnt

actually thats an exhaduration

they need to have a low enough biteforce not to kill a stego with tail shots before they run outa stam

[hollow jungle]

and just go to places where its harder for them to acses

[devout sun]

so like

750-800

biteforce

that would do wonders for punishment on this dumbass carno that wants to 1v1 your adult Deino

[carmine path]

Thing is the isle dmg system just isn’t built for dinos like deino

[devout sun]

or people like shin who want to 1v1 you as a utah

should get natural selected to the shadow realm

[barren zephyr]

Such a Deino player thing to say lmao what's the point in playing any land carnivore if Deino is best on land and in water?

[devout sun]

How can you just entirely ignore the main point of what I'm saying

[jolly void]

Says the clear utah main

[devout sun]

it can't be a predator on land

[carmine path]

Cause deino is by far the worst on land

[devout sun]

It has such bad stam and barely any speed that literally ANYTHING can avoid it

land or nah

[hollow jungle]

why are you after the denio so much?

[devout sun]

your totally ignoring what I'm saying shin

[devout sun]

one killed his utah probably

[barren zephyr]

It doesn't matter if it can walk up and take your food then fuck off back to water with 0 risk

[devout sun]

Sure, why should it be scared of you and your utah buddy?

[hollow jungle]

A CARNO CAN TAKE ONE

[devout sun]

^

[barren zephyr]

Love killing cocky Deino adults as Utah

[devout sun]

That's a problem that needs solving

[barren zephyr]

Only Deinos that can die are bad Deinos

[jolly void]

And that's not good balance, who could've guessed

[hollow jungle]

I WAS A CARNO AND KILLED A JUVI OR TO AND I WAS A SUB

[barren zephyr]

Good Deinos are invincible

[hollow jungle]

no true

[devout sun]

Shin do you at least understand what I'm saying

[carmine path]

Eh carnos destroy deinos if they get caught out in the shallow waters

[barren zephyr]

Ah yes this huge slow crocodile should be able to easily defeat a nimble bleed predator on land

[devout sun]

or are you ignoring it intentionally

[jolly void]

You have no arguments, that's all you say, deinos are not invincible/

[barren zephyr]

Like whaaaat are you saying

[swift dew]

correction, good deinos are invincible to everything besides other deinos, if you get caught in a river between two deinos that want to kill you, your in trouble

[devout sun]

Deino has such bad stam and speed, that it can't function on land

no matter how big it's bite force number is

it still can't function on land as predator

[jolly void]

You forgot about the fact that the nimble predator is less than half the deino's weight.

[devout sun]

only as a tank

[carmine path]

Don’t forget stego fishers

[hollow jungle]

yeah growth time makes up for there health and damgege

[devout sun]

Deino is a perfect example of something that can ONLY be defensive on land

[barren zephyr]

Why should a big slow ass Croc be able to fight a nimble bleed predator on land

Makes no sense

Raptors would swarm em

[devout sun]

Why is your nimble bleed predator fighting a giant crocodile

[jolly void]

THE NIMBLE PREDATOR WEIGHS 500KG

[barren zephyr]

Hungry

[devout sun]

natural selection then

[swift dew]

nah, as long as you didn't go to shallow water you can just outswim them, and if not then you can just go under the dark murky water and they wouldn't even realize you left

[devout sun]

Deinosuchus is NOT prey for a utahraptor

EVER!!

[jolly void]

8 ton croc vs hungry 500kg dino.

[devout sun]

and your HUNGRY, so in later updates your probably DEBUFFED xD

[barren zephyr]

16 utahs = 8000kg

Checkmate

[devout sun]

16

utahs

[carmine path]

Because if you come after a slow moving target that is an absolute unit, YOU COME AFTER IT, then obviously the deino is gonna win if you fight him

[jolly void]

You are saying solo utahs, so yeah. What's your point?

Ikr

[carmine path]

Megautah

[devout sun]

Bigtah

XD

[barren zephyr]

Solo Utah can beat a Deino but only a bad Deino

[swift dew]

i agree, a single utah vs a single deino, deino should win every time. but as soon as you add two utahs the croc needs to start reevaluating its life decisions

[barren zephyr]

This would be fricking based

[carmine path]

New feedback post for merging dinosaurs to make supersaurus rex?

[devout sun]

This might work for somethin bigger than carno

utah is still way tiny

[barren zephyr]

Allos and anything larger beating deino or nothing

[devout sun]

I mean it sucks against groups

[hollow jungle]

no i was almost fully grown and a full gorwn utah almost made me bleed out

[barren zephyr]

Casually basking Deino in the sun sees a cheerleader pyramid of Utahs come over the hill all screeching

Dondi please

[swift dew]

deino is also extremely immobile on land

[devout sun]

Lmao

[jolly void]

Ok so we agree that utahs should only be able to kill deinos in a large group?

[devout sun]

^

full pack of utahs should pretty much delete Deino

Deino's weakness IS

NOT

LAND

it's groups

[carmine path]

And land

[jolly void]

Kinda.

[barren zephyr]

I still think on land a single Utah should pose a threat to a Deino and they do a bit now but maybe not quite enough

[hollow jungle]

and land when a big boi

[jolly void]

No, it really shouldn't

[devout sun]

how do you propose doing this, let's ignore for a second that this is total bullcrap and should never happen, what buffs and nerfs do you propose to make this happen?

[carmine path]

I remember trying to kill 2 sub adult deinos on land as a deino we all wasted our stam and it was just a walking marathon for who was bigger and could walk faster XD

[devout sun]

Let's hear what you think should happen shin

[jolly void]

It's like saying that a thomson gazelle should pose a threat to a nile crocodile

[swift dew]

3, 3 utahs should make a deino think 3 times about leaving the water

[devout sun]

3-4 yeah

thats a threat

[jolly void]

Yes, I think that's fair

[devout sun]

a slow death but a threat

depending on how far it is from the water it might be fked entirely with 3 utahs

[carmine path]

Cept by lions, hippos, and elephants if the croc fucks with em

[devout sun]

due to utah's size it should have some time to get back though

[hollow jungle]

yeah cus there scary

[devout sun]

Remember that Deino is the heaviest thing in-game right now

if we're making that comparason

it wouldn't be stego

cama would be the hippo

giga lion

[carmine path]

Crocs trying to take down elephants is funny change my mind

[swift dew]

well elephants in this game is basically a cama with tusks

[hollow jungle]

wait i can sware

[devout sun]

I've seen some clips, it makes me kinda sad as I smile

foolish water sausages

[barren zephyr]

Reduce turn radius on land and increase it in water

[devout sun]

Why, crocs can turn fast

[carmine path]

Absolutely fucking not

[jolly void]

I've seen a video of a croc biting an elephant, yeah it's funny lol

[devout sun]

This is the kinda guy that things utah should ride everything to death

because that's balanced

[jolly void]

Turn radius doesn't exist in evrima

[barren zephyr]

Deino mains out enmasse today jeezh if I said they needed 1.1x more food than other dinis yall would be calling my workplace telling them I'm a serial killer

It's not a personal attack guys

[hollow jungle]

how are they suposed to defend them selvs on land without alt bite

[barren zephyr]

Just from my time playing I think they're a bit too strong on land

[devout sun]

Your fighting them as a solo utah

they better be strong

[barren zephyr]

Why're they that far out onto land in the first place

[carmine path]

I think you are not very big brain

[barren zephyr]

Literally see them sat in the plains for hours hahaa

[carmine path]

Food

[carmine path]

Literally impossible

[devout sun]

Yeah

[jolly void]

Impossible, thirst doesn't allow that.

[devout sun]

Worst water in the game, yet another reason that you can't say Deino is good on land

it's good at defending itself

if you don't mess with it

it physically CANT mess with you

[hollow jungle]

from what iv seen there mostly in the water unless they need water or need to kill something or need stam

[devout sun]

unless your oblivious to the murder log barreling towards you at a 4th of your sprinting speed

making 8 times the noise

that's your fault then

[compact hare]

there are like 100 deinos per square inch rn, gives you the impression that the same deino is there out of the water for hours thats why

[devout sun]

and you deserve to be natural selected

[devout sun]

At central spawn they are probably gonna compress into a black hole at some point

[compact hare]

lol yes

[devout sun]

I propose a secret feature where if you cram at least 15 0-5% juvie Deinos into a space smaller than one juvie Deino

it instant kills everything on the map

[jolly void]

I guess shin gave up?

[devout sun]

[carmine path]

Yay

[devout sun]

Someone ping him and say utah bad

[jolly void]

lmao

[carmine path]

Alright we can all agree on something rn, Deino Buffers > Deino Nerfeds

[devout sun]

I haven't lost an argument with anyone about deino buff

they only just ignore my main point

and say your a deino main

so screw it, yeah

[jolly void]

lol

[barren zephyr]

Nah I'm at work

Gotta take calls between writing anti Deino hate speech messages

[carmine path]

They are back 😔

[devout sun]

It's part of the experience I guess

welcome to #general-feedback-discussion friend

[barren zephyr]

I think probably to be fair a lot of the issues I personally see with Deino right now will just be solved by there being bigger predators than Deino in the future

[jolly void]

Yeah, probably

[barren zephyr]

It's too low risk for them to be on land right now but they ain't gonna be waddling around on land as much when a Rex or Giga can just roll them

[devout sun]

I agree that it should be unrivaled defensively on land right now

but when something big

a group of allos

a pair of gigas shows up

[jolly void]

But there's still no real reason to nerf deino rn

[devout sun]

it better regret it's descision to leave the water without looking

But yeah, right now a Deino's only threat on land SHOULD be a full pack of utahs or a stego

other than that, just don't mess with it

it's not a predator on land

it's a more of a boulder with teeth

regardless of how much damage you make it do

[jolly void]

And you can always wait to see if one runs out of oxygen

And comes to the surface

[devout sun]

if you don't know one is camping the body by the riverside

just wait

if it chases you

so be it

walk away

[jolly void]

Yeah they'll come out eventually

[devout sun]

if it manages to catch you

sucks to suck

git gud

[jolly void]

lmao

[devout sun]

honestly one of my experiences with deino was

sad

adult Deino near swamp

adult carno up all the way on the shore

eating

no idea I was there

I sprinted all the way up the hill at the cost of my entire stam bar

lined up a perfect headshot before it managed to notice me

fking deaf carno

and then hit it's tail on the way out

and despite all that natural selection punishment

[barren zephyr]

I mean the 'defensive on land argument' is kinda meh to me because I see all the time a group of Deino come way out of water, steal a corpse then take it back to water, with virtually zero risk

[devout sun]

it TURNED AROUND

AND 3 CALLED ME

[jolly void]

[gritty helm]

honestly this is where grabbing a chunk of meat and booking it would be useful if it wasn't so buggy rn

[devout sun]

then ran in for more bites

then I bit it in the body 2 more times because if you haven't caught on yet this carno was braindead

then the tail AGAIN as it ran out

and it STILL

WASNT

DEAD

[barren zephyr]

Ah yes Viper the Deino player I never would have guessed

😂

[jolly void]

Well, irl crocs do that so not a problem

[jolly void]

There you go again with your only "argument"

[devout sun]

Yeah, that's why I think I'm qualified to talk about the pain that is deino damage

from a balancing standpoint

that should have gone differently

that carno deserved to die for 1, getting caught like that

[barren zephyr]

You guys did say the exact same about me "Ah Utah main"

I was poking fun lol

Chill

[devout sun]

and 2: TRYING TO 1v1 ME

it should be dead for both of those mistakes

but no, it ran off with 15% health left

then it was so braindead it came back again actually

that time I lunged it to continue a combo

and it's skull didn't like the outcome

[jolly void]

Yeah, because you said a utah should wreck a deino on land, and that's stupid enough for me to say that, and I wasn't using it as an argument, too

[devout sun]

This shouldn't be about your "mains" anyway

[pale bloom]

You literally said Utah should win a Rex on 1v1 Lol

[barren zephyr]

Utah should wreck a Deino on land and I stand by that

[devout sun]

it's obvious that I'm a Deino player and shin is a utah player

so be it

[barren zephyr]

Rex too if the Rex is bad

[devout sun]

arguments should be about balancing, fun, and realism where it can be

all 3 of those checkboxes are left blank in shin's argument

[pale bloom]

With bad you mean if the Rex doesn't know left click exist right?

[devout sun]

so I think we have a conclusion

[jolly void]

Go watch a nile croc fight a wild dog, oh yeah, that probably doesn't exist BECAUSE THE WILD DOG KNOWS IT'S LIMITS

[devout sun]

XD

[barren zephyr]

Killed a whole lot of adult Rex as Utah by chasing tail and forcing bleeds, exactly how they would have tried if they were starving IRL

[pale bloom]

Little reminder that Evrima isn't Legacy

[barren zephyr]

Depends how hungry the dog is

[devout sun]

Little reminder that we plan on fixing those kinds of dumb balancing issues in evrima

[barren zephyr]

That's fine I'm saying realistically it's not as one sided as you think

[jolly void]

Yeah, but the dog will die or give up at the end.

[pale bloom]

Legacy right? OK your argument it's invalid then

[devout sun]

Legacy did it WRONG

that's why evrima exists

shin don't push it to make the same mistakes

Utah could 1v1 anything in the game

and that was an issue

a huge one

[barren zephyr]

Show me an Evrima Rex?

[urban flax]

Tailriding is nowhere near realistic

[barren zephyr]

😂

[devout sun]

There isn't one, so your argument means nothing

[jolly void]

We are talking about evrima and you're bringing up legacy, show me your logic

[pale bloom]

I've killed shit ton of Rexes as Utah on Legacy by doing assriding and that kinda of dumb shit, do you think I thought that was right at any moment? Big NO lmao

[devout sun]

exploiting rex's slow movement in order to get good hits on it while avoiding the head

I stand for that

but not as a utah

no no

giga maybe

utah hell no

[cyan flame]

Well in Evrima, hopefully rex has both a good turn, plus trample, so a solo utah trying to assride it will just go splat. You have a pounce, use it to hunt big game, and if you don't have a pack, don't try.

[devout sun]

I play giga in legacy and trust me, I learned how to fight a rex

and your ONLY option

is to abuse it's mobility

and take advantage of yours

and even then

it has so many advantages you STILL loose

[jolly void]

I mean turn radius doesn't really exist in evrima, so I guess good and bad turn isn't really a thing

[devout sun]

I can juke and get around it through some funny position but it can just

run away

[pale bloom]

In Evrima turn speed exist tho

[jolly void]

It would be slow turn and fast turn I guess

[devout sun]

but agian

[jolly void]

But I think rex would have alt bite so..

[pale bloom]

I managed to kill a Sub Carno little bigger than me 1v1 as Utah by just outmaneuvering it

[devout sun]

The amount of animation and body structure stretching they would have to do to make that happen

would be hilarious

[jolly void]

Lol

[carmine path]

Were not giving that fat obese bastard alt bite

[devout sun]

almost as much stretching as an argument that utah should kill one solo

[pale bloom]

But as I said, it was a Sub Carno

[devout sun]

I hope your right

[barren zephyr]

I guarantee that IRL Rexes were killed by Raptors, not actively chosen to be hunted but you'd be nuts to think a pack of starving raptors wouldn't try it (and occasionally succeed)

[devout sun]

A pack of them

yeah

your mega awesome sweaty skilled solo utah

[barren zephyr]

There's functionally no difference between 100 raptors and 1 raptor other than the time to kill

[paper geyser]

Excuse me what lol

[devout sun]

Yup

[carmine path]

Just straight up 180 a Giga who thinks he got the jump on you and leg break and kill him too insane

[barren zephyr]

Either they get hit and die or they dont

[jolly void]

Rex lived with dakotaraptor btw, and it's more likely that dakotaraptor didn't hunt in packs and was a solo hunter

[devout sun]

Shin your solo raptor is useless against anything bigger than itself

if that statement is false, the game balancing is wrong and that needs to be patched ^^

[barren zephyr]

Size is not the only factor in whether something wins a fight lol

Speed stamina agility

[paper geyser]

Mf really said a pack of dakotas would take on a rex. I thought I’d heard it all

[jolly void]

Uh, yeah, weight and pure power is tho.

[devout sun]

But when size is SO DIFFERENT

that you don't even do damage to it

and it 1 shots you

I think thats a point to be made

[barren zephyr]

Counts for literally nothing if the Raptor doesn't get hit

[pale bloom]

That's why in the current build packs of mid tiers kill solo Stegos

[devout sun]

like sauropods, they have size, that's it

and your solo utah isn't supposed to kill one

[jolly void]

And the raptor can't properly damage the rex or deino.

[devout sun]

your suggesting it should

[barren zephyr]

also trample damage.

[pale bloom]

But 1v1 hell no, shouldn't be doable unless the other player has 1 braincell working

[paper geyser]

Virtually nothing other than a trike would dare trying to take down a rex. This isn’t a video game where you can just dodge attacks, dakotas would’ve had literally no chance against a rex

[barren zephyr]

Over a long enough period of time attacking weak fleshy parts?

Can definitely damage them

[carmine path]

@barren zephyr truly love the idea but they will only do public stress tests if the update is big/bulky and if they need special ed kids like us to find more bugs through our ways of bullshittery bug finding tatics

[devout sun]

Agreed, an ambush from behind from a giga sure, I would say spino too but they changed that so much I don't know what they are gonna do with it

[jolly void]

In that long period of time, the raptors would have lost members, rexes aren't that stupid and slow.

[devout sun]

Like what the shins?

xD

[carmine path]

You haven’t played legacy my friend.

Dark days

[barren zephyr]

The point stands that one exceptional Raptor could kill a Rex given enough time and without being hit

[jolly void]

We are talking about evrima

[barren zephyr]

aren’t rexes known to be one of the most intelligent theropods to ever exist? Compared to other dinosaurs at least

[devout sun]

Yeah I believe so

[pale bloom]

Easy question, you as Human will try to kill an adult Croc yourself by your own hand?

[jolly void]

If the rex was hurt, yes.

[paper geyser]

I’m talking about real life

[carmine path]

Ik but its funny to imagine the bad rexes in legacy trying to one shot gigas

[devout sun]

Yeah rex was an apex predator by definition, nothing that hunted it once it got big enough

but people don't like if you use the R word here

"realism"

[barren zephyr]

I could fuck up a crocodile I'm 6'5 255 pounds of raw steroid infused muscle and I'm a Utah main

[carmine path]

Weirdly enough rex was an ambushed/scavenger

[devout sun]

also that's just bad game balancing too tbh

[paper geyser]

Well when someone is talking about realism and being blatantly wrong, kinda no choice lol

[jolly void]

Yeah, and I did play legacy, for 2 years to be exact

[pale bloom]

Such a troll

[devout sun]

[pale bloom]

[barren zephyr]

Not even trolling humans can definitely 1v1 a croc

[paper geyser]

Lol

[gritty helm]

a very small one sure

[carmine path]

Yes very powerful you are compared to a rex a 15k pounds you are definitely the winner

[gritty helm]

but an adult? lmfao

[jolly void]

No, they can't, unless they're trained, which you definately aren't

[devout sun]

Unless your using rifle rounds it won't even penetrate, even IRL crocs are usually alright with bullets

[paper geyser]

Most humans will struggle against a dog, good luck taking a crocodile barehanded

[devout sun]

Big ones, will even take bullets tot he top of the headand just get pissed off

[barren zephyr]

Humans are much smarter (even me) than your average croc

[devout sun]

your human better have some anti material rifle if you plan on taking out a Deinosuchus

[carmine path]

Only weakspot to the croc is a shot directly between they eyes at the top of the skull

[jolly void]

And crocs are much stronger than any normal human

[barren zephyr]

Imagine a human trying to wrestle a deinosuchus

Did you guys even watch Black Water?

[devout sun]

Yeah, so anti-material rifle and deadly aim, before it outruns you and eats you whole because your literally smaller than it's mouth

[barren zephyr]

Humans > Croc

[paper geyser]

I’m just trying to imagine the thought process behind someone thinking they can 1v1 a crocodile

[carmine path]

Exactly

[jolly void]

Did you even watch REAL LIFE

[tepid gate]

In real life? A single dromaeosaur would never even dare to approach a predator the size of an adult Tyrannosaurus rex.

[devout sun]

Yeah XD

Crocodiles are like bears

[barren zephyr]

Yall a bunch of Deino mains smh smh

[devout sun]

when you shoot one it just gets pissed off

[compact hare]

yeah and humans can only punch and kick a heavy and powerfull croc, which does no damage against it

[barren zephyr]

ew who plays deino

[jolly void]

You a dirty utah main smh smh

[barren zephyr]

Utah gang 4 life blessed be the bleed

[devout sun]

It doesn't matter anyway

[tepid gate]

This whole thing with a smaller animal dodging, running around and "biting the fleshy parts" of a much larger and far more powerful predator just doesn't happen in reality.

[jolly void]

Ik

[devout sun]

shin's argument is basically an unintentional troll, this isn't worth it anymore

actually unless we're switching the topic I'm out

[barren zephyr]

I’m a utah main and i don’t think a utah should be able to solo a rex. On concept, it’s quite ridiculous

[devout sun]

there's no convincing this guy how game balancing works

[barren zephyr]

Hyena vs Lion

?

[carmine path]

Rex is not a lion

[jolly void]

A lone hyena can't kill a lion

[barren zephyr]

Lion destroys hyena in a 1v1 scenario.

[barren zephyr]

Yep

[devout sun]

Giga would be closer to lion in Isle scale

except

not lion

because it's bigger

[barren zephyr]

A good Hyena could fuck up a bad Lion

[devout sun]

allo

[jolly void]

Packs can kill lions because of distractions

[devout sun]

allo = lion

[carmine path]

That mofo a whole ass carnivorous elephant = Rex

[tepid gate]

Good point. Even 3 hyenas run for their lives against a single male lion and the size difference between the two is not close to that between a Utahraptor and a Tyrannosaurus rex.

[paper geyser]

Real life isn’t a video game

[barren zephyr]

Giga is like a lion in the sense that it has a weak bite force

[pale bloom]

[barren zephyr]

wait how can a lion be bad? you mean young or inexperienced?

[carmine path]

Tier Zoo be like

[tepid gate]

Giga doesn't have a weak biteforce

[devout sun]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[barren zephyr]

On the contrary, rex is more like a hyena in regards to it having a strong bite force

[devout sun]

A BAD LION

[barren zephyr]

I don't respond to anyone with anime profile pictures it's not worth my time lol please stop tagging me

[paper geyser]

“A bad lion” yeah nice one bro I’m sure lion mains are gonna get good after that one

[barren zephyr]

And hyenas are still legit predators

[compact hare]

I was going to write a suggetion about "beds" and how to regulate nest temperature by using leaves, mud, dead grass

By beds I mean a bunch of dead leaves with other material, afaik temperature system is coming
what do yall think

[devout sun]

LMAOOO

[barren zephyr]

I have made a similar suggestion before

[jolly void]

Atleast he knows what he's doing lmao

[barren zephyr]

but going more in depth about different nest types for different taxa

[devout sun]

I think that's how it's gonna work actually

[barren zephyr]

Tag

[barren zephyr]

Not anime pfp you're fine bro

[jolly void]

Says E - Girl pfp

[barren zephyr]

Anime is nasty imo

[devout sun]

Tierzoo is chad my mans, he does his research and doesn't pull Hyena kills lion out of their ass

[barren zephyr]

I'm actually an egirl

[tepid gate]

It's exactly the kind of anime thinking where someone believes that a much smaller opponent defeats a much larger one by dodging and attacking the weak points. I'd say you watch too much anime if you believe that's how the reality works.

[carmine path]

I thought he was talking about a real game when i 1st watched and i was hyped af, then I realized it was just a meme

[paper geyser]

“I have no counter point so I’ll attack something irrelevant to the argument”

[barren zephyr]

that is worse

[carmine path]

Dare i say even worse

[jolly void]

i have no words

[barren zephyr]

I despise egirls.

6'5 255 pounds of raw muscle

[devout sun]

Welcome to #general-feedback-discussion when someone with a troll argument appears. Oh hi shin

[barren zephyr]

All I wanted was for Deinos to be weaker on land

Lmao

[devout sun]

that was a low hanging fruit I'm sorry

[paper geyser]

And somehow you managed to show everyone how little you understand nature

[barren zephyr]

It's okay we're all friends

[tepid gate]

Do they need to be weaker on land? I kill them relatively easily with land carnivores.

[carmine path]

Eh

[compact hare]

I dont want a temperature system like how it worked on that snowy map lmao that was just horrible
I want something like digging a hole, making a bed using leaves, finding a cave, keep moving and running, etc

[carmine path]

I don’t know about “friends”

[jolly void]

If I said no, i'd be lying, if I said yes, i'd be lying too

[barren zephyr]

Deinos are pretty weak on land

[tepid gate]

I haven't even played Deinosuchus so far but they seemed to be very much killable by both Utahs and Carnos on land if they were stupid enough to try to carry on fighting the terrestrial carnivores.

[carmine path]

If they are weak on land in the way SHE WANTS means deino is weak in water too

[tepid gate]

I've killed Deinos larger than me as Utah, Tenonto and Carno. I haven't managed to do it with a hypsi, dryo or ptera so far(then again I haven't played either of these three)

[devout sun]

Deino's biteforce means jack on land, it still can't play as a predator.

On land, Deino is not a predator
It is a boulder with teeth

If you don't mess with it, it won't hurt you.

As long as it can't kill a stego before it's stam runs out with tail hits, the biteforce can be as high as we want.

You can't say it's supposed to be weak on land

if it already is

A crocodile doesn't loose it's bite when it's not in water

[tepid gate]

I personally think it should be better on land while also being forced to be land more often.

[paper geyser]

Shin is probably just a utah main that tried to kill a deino and failed

[barren zephyr]

Love seeing 20 Deinos forcing Carnos out of the plains then coming to Discord and seeing people ask for Deino buffs LMAO

I can kill them fine as Utah but it takes forever and takes skill

[devout sun]

20 Adult deinos?

[jolly void]

20 Deinos, there's your downfall

[barren zephyr]

For the average player it's too hard I think

[swift dew]

i wouldn't be surprised

[barren zephyr]

[carmine path]

They on gonna be able to stay 20min at absolute max cause of water drain

[paper geyser]

Maybe because Utahs aren’t supposed to kill deinos?

[pale bloom]

Your ego feeding its funny tho

[barren zephyr]

Yes because it's piss easy for them to survive to adulthood in a group

[paper geyser]

Big brain here

[carmine path]

Same with most dinos

[devout sun]

Just ignore them. If your a carno, run away

[jolly void]

It isn't tho?

[barren zephyr]

They walk back to water and then back

[tepid gate]

They are a bit too easy to survive with, I agree with that

[devout sun]

It's the same arguement as when a Deino sees a stego, it should just swim away

if a Deino group goes into a carno plains

carnos find a new place

[carmine path]

Then don’t be so close to the water where it is easily accessible to deinos

[devout sun]

I finally found a counter BS argument for that BS argument

sick

[jolly void]

Not so easy, if they wanna fill their thirst quickly, they are exposed, if they wanna get in the water, it takes HOURS

[barren zephyr]

A Deino in a group is fed for free and grows AFK underwater with 0 risk

[devout sun]

This is temporary

[jolly void]

Until a big asshole deino comes.

[carmine path]

Because more dinos need to be added in?

[tepid gate]

Cool, so the only thing that can threaten a Deino is... another Deino

[devout sun]

Until spino, sucho, bary, a fking rex that decides to take a dip, comes along

[jolly void]

And stegos

[tepid gate]

That's not good balance

[barren zephyr]

Exactly my point yes

[jolly void]

And big utah packs

[barren zephyr]

Finally someone fricking agrees

[tepid gate]

Stegos can't threaten Deinos because Deinos have no business interacting with Stegos and can always get away from them

[devout sun]

Right now that makes sense. It would be weird if anything else could threaten a Deino. Of course a pack of utahs or carnos is a threat, so already there's some lie to that statement

but I can't imagine anything in the roster killing deino at this moment

that would be real weird

[tepid gate]

I half-agree with you Shin. I think Deino should be better on land but in turn it should be forced to go on land instead of being able to just sod off back to the water whenever things start going wrong for it.

[devout sun]

allo, giga, big things

[barren zephyr]

"Ah there's utahs /Carno here I will go back to water"

[devout sun]

will fk land deinos up

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr you aint even an egirl xd

[tepid gate]

E.g. healing, stam regen and so on should be done on land

[barren zephyr]

Nice balance

[pale bloom]

It's funny there asking for a threat for the Deino on its own niche when it's the only aquatic Dino in the game

[jolly void]

Yeah

[devout sun]

Should it not go back into water? What's your point?

[barren zephyr]

I am I'm 6'5 255 pounds of raw feminine muscle

You have your twitch linked and it suggests otherwise

[barren zephyr]

My point is nothing can threaten a dino

[tepid gate]

I'm not asking for a threat to Deino in the water. I'm saying Deino should be forced to go on land to do certain things like heal up or regenerate its stamina

[barren zephyr]

still, Deino is ok

[barren zephyr]

Follow me

I'm based

Larger predators will put it in its place

[carmine path]

Stupidity*

[pale bloom]

It already does, oxygen regen and Stam regen

[devout sun]

Dietary needs could make this happen

or something like salt licks if they overeat

[barren zephyr]

Especially spinosaurus

[jolly void]

Regen stam? No, heal, yes

[devout sun]

as time goes on, Deino will have more and more threats to it

it shouldn't have any big threats right now

[tepid gate]

oxygen can be regenerate just by getting to the surface. You can regen stam in the water

[devout sun]

nothing SHOULD be able to threaten it so bad it has no chance

BUT

as time goes on

and actual threats are added

[tepid gate]

I'd be fine with just healing but in that case it shouldn't be healing up at all while in the water

[devout sun]

Deino will find it's place

trust me

[tepid gate]

It would in turn heal up very fast while basking

[barren zephyr]

Deino cannot make it that far out of water anyway without being harassed by other carnivores.

[devout sun]

me and my gator brotheren will learn the hard way that we are not top of the food chain anymore

soon enough

[carmine path]

Above sucho below spino

[urban flax]

Wait
Guys quit with that useless deino debate
Someone just said in general feedback that pachy was an omnivore
Is that true ?

[carmine path]

Insects i guess

[devout sun]

IRL no idea

[barren zephyr]

As it should be. you don’t see saltwater crocodiles attempt to fight a lion pride on land, unless it’s extremely close to the water

[devout sun]

it won't be in-game probably

[tepid gate]

It's likely true to my knowledge but that's a paleotalk question

[devout sun]

yeah

#paleotalk those guys know everything

[barren zephyr]

Potentially, based on the heterodonty of the animal

[devout sun]

go ask them

[urban flax]

my god

[pale bloom]

So you're asking the Deino to get out of the water for bigger and longer times so the Stegos can keep bullying them out of safety, including the Deino being uncapable of doing some proper self-defense, yes that's very Balanced..

[carmine path]

It ate frogs and insects and small dinosaurs

[tepid gate]

@pale bloom I'm saying it should also be better on land than it is

I view it as both too safe and not threatening enough

[barren zephyr]

Just you wait until skins come back and I will find you as my yellow and black bumblebee Utah, fucking up your Juvies

[devout sun]

People are pushing for Deino to 1: Get out of the water 2: Be unable to defend itself on land and 3: Get killed by more and more things

[devout sun]

people are so keep on totally fking over Deino it's not even funny anymore

[carmine path]

Bunch of nerds who we rely on for our realism feedback

[pale bloom]

If they buff its damage sure I'll take it

[barren zephyr]

I am one of the paleotalk regulars

[devout sun]

Probably cool guys, I'm just not on the mental level they are xD

I wish I was tho

dinosaurs are cool ngl

[tepid gate]

@pale bloom Yea that's one way to go about it. For now no matter what else is done about it, it needs its bite sockets fixed imo. Its attacks just seem to not connect when they should.

[devout sun]

Once Deino gets it's hit and hurtbox doctored up, and fractures come into play

I think it will be fine

[carmine path]

They definitely are a different breed considering they can remember all that, I love dinosaurs for a long time but i could never know that much

[devout sun]

and by that time it will have predators

so it will be fine for you Deino haters too

[barren zephyr]

Paleotalk regular

[devout sun]

[barren zephyr]

I don't hate Deinos I just want to eat them

[jolly void]

Fractures are gonna come next update that only has pachy so I don't think it'll have predators by that time

[carmine path]

Everybody laugh at him till he goes away then we can abuse his knowledge for our feedback suggestions when we see it in paleotalk

[devout sun]

Totally evil

I love it

[barren zephyr]

edgy

[devout sun]

[barren zephyr]

[jolly void]

[barren zephyr]

sussy

[devout sun]

[carmine path]

@plain fulcrum you aren’t loading good sir you have to restart the game and try again if you’re seeing the mountain range of doom

[barren zephyr]

why

[jolly void]

blame yourself

[barren zephyr]

too bad you won't until in 2022

[carmine path]

Quick get rid of it before the mods come!

[devout sun]

I'm confused, is then when Elon Musk clones them back into life?

[barren zephyr]

no

[jolly void]

should I

[carmine path]

Yes

[barren zephyr]

Elon is just bragging online with his nonsense to get attention

[carmine path]

Krow and Epsilon big mad

[jolly void]

there

[carmine path]

We are safe 😓

[devout sun]

@ Punchpacket #TeamFoszor

[barren zephyr]

how to avoid mute-ban mods

[carmine path]

Nice @

[jolly void]

lmao

[devout sun]

Yeah got em

[barren zephyr]

we win ez

[carmine path]

They gonna look at this chat and be like wtf happened

[devout sun]

I think they learned not to look at this chat

XD

this is when punch starts typing

[barren zephyr]

general-feedback-discussion

[jolly void]

I go to isle discussion and see dio saying "shant bodying rex would just be budget trike"

[carmine path]

Huh

[devout sun]

yikes

[barren zephyr]

yes because a 13 ton hadrosaur won’t be able to defend itself. totally

[jolly void]

and this #401464048610312195 message

[devout sun]

is that the one I just copied

no

here's another one

"Dio, the force from a shant with explosive diarrhea would be fatal. It would eject the shit at 75+ mph and slam right into the rex, killing it off instantly"

[carmine path]

Ngl dio is not the brightest when it comes to dinos cause they keep putting up suggestions about dinos like Acro/Giga and how one of them needs ro be removed

[jolly void]

lmao

[carmine path]

Ima have an aneurysm

[barren zephyr]

I eat the bad / brainless ones now no problem as Utah, Deino players always get super cocky on land and you can easily out bite and bleed the less mechanically gifted players

[carmine path]

That was so long ago go away utah main

Shuuu

[devout sun]

one does not simply bleed a Deino

[barren zephyr]

all deinos are like that. at least on eu8

[barren zephyr]

Unironically has a crocodile pfp

crocodiles are epic

[carmine path]

Im Floridian

[devout sun]

why tf does that matter anyway

[carmine path]

I am the god of alligators

[devout sun]

allah gator

[barren zephyr]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[jolly void]

unironically uses utah emote

[carmine path]

Literal Homeland of American Alligators

[low totem]

speaking about EU8, how long is it gonna be down ;-;

[carmine path]

Nice

[barren zephyr]

Purussaurus>deino and sarco

Utahs are the most based dino in the Isle

[carmine path]

Eh

[barren zephyr]

Unironically the most enjoyable to play

[devout sun]

I like carno more

and I like deino more more

:)

[barren zephyr]

Utahs are fun. but carnos are so fun

[barren zephyr]

Afk simulation

[jolly void]

I like teno more

[carmine path]

Think you mean good in its simplicity

[devout sun]

I know it's awesome, I just get to vibe

[barren zephyr]

I just like that if you're good enough a Utah can kill anything with enough patience

[pale bloom]

As Utah submain yes Utah its fun but it shouldn't be Legacy Utah anymore

[carmine path]

But no

[jolly void]

But I do know that i'm gonna be maining that pachy boi

[barren zephyr]

*kills 8 ton monster by biting a couple times

[pale bloom]

Go kill a Stego yourself I would love to see it

[carmine path]

Ima play pachy just to kill ass utahs

[devout sun]

Not solo, I don't think you understand that the way the game is balanced is important too

If utah could kill everything solo than how is that fun for anyone but utah players like yourself

I can only assume you just don't care

[carmine path]

Actually nvm ima leg break em and run 😂

[barren zephyr]

I don't really fight Herbis they're just chilling

[pale bloom]

Then youre just a troll

[jolly void]

I will cause every dinosaur on this earth a fracture and nobody can stop me.

[barren zephyr]

How is that trolling lol!

Why would I try and fight a Stego that is leaving me alone? We don't consume the same food source so idgaf if they're near me

[pale bloom]

You said you can kill anything with patiente and now you avoid herbs because "there just chilling"

[carmine path]

Yesh

[devout sun]

The same reason you would fight a Deino that literally has no choice but to leave you alone on land

[barren zephyr]

There's virtually no reason to kill a Herbi unless starving to death

[carmine path]

But there is

[barren zephyr]

Killing Carnivores means your pack is safer and you aren't competing for food

[jolly void]

There is, herbivores are the ACTUAL food source of carnivores

[barren zephyr]

Tell that to the fields of dead Carnos lol

Nom nom nom

[pale bloom]

You're been spreading your ego about being good Utah player and now you come with that, please go away

[jolly void]

But if you only kill carnivores then you'll never be competing because carnis eat herbis

[barren zephyr]

Typical Rex main "why don't you just fight it!!!! Kill all!!!"

[tepid gate]

I've been hunting predominantly carnivores both in the legacy and in Evrima.

[barren zephyr]

Not based very cringe

[devout sun]

no rex mains in evrima

no rex

not a valid argument

[pale bloom]

This

[barren zephyr]

Deinosuchus mains are the rex mains in disguise

[jolly void]

Typical herbi carebear "let's protect the herbis and kill the carnis!!11!1!!

[barren zephyr]

Why would a Utah risk basically everything to kill an adult stego when it is 10x easier to kill a Carno

[devout sun]

I know you and you utah buddiers are all about "killing salty rex mains" via solo killing the guy that spend 4 times longer than you to get his well earned dino just to cuck it via bad game balancing

[carmine path]

Nah im sticking with deino, I was an allo main tho

[pale bloom]

And I don't kill for fun or sport, I kill for food

[barren zephyr]

I actually never played deino. what’s it like?

[barren zephyr]

I kill Rexes when I'm full hunger

[tepid gate]

I think with Utah it might actually be easier to kill a Stego

[barren zephyr]

Shoot me

[devout sun]

I never played rex and I play Deino

I like the playstyle of deino

[jolly void]

kos utah main, classic.

[pale bloom]

But not herbs because they eat bushes, you're a troll m8

[devout sun]

Idc how similar or dissimilar it is to legacy

[carmine path]

Lot of ambushing and cannibalism, very fun if you have patience

[devout sun]

I'm not tryna comp[are

[barren zephyr]

It's a survival game and choosing your battles is a part of the skill, if I find it easier to kill Carnivores then I will, I'm not teaming up with Herbis I just avoid them

Mostly just play solo anyway

[barren zephyr]

Might wait till update 3. don’t want to risk my deino getting stuck or wiped at 100 percent

[carmine path]

Think of it as a water allo and a anky on land

[devout sun]

Successfully lunging something that takes the bait at the shore, or saving a small babu by stealing a carno from the land and placing it in the shadow realm is the single best experience I have had in The Isle

Deino is fun but you have to be willing to wait

[carmine path]

Dude those pteras just got fucked on the 1st day

[pale bloom]

That's why you want Utah being able to 1v1 everything right? Classic

[carmine path]

I had so much fun with that strat

[devout sun]

Too bad they don't actually give me any food

[worldly mason]

Hey Guys - anyone had a bug where their growth stops?? Anyway to fix it?

[devout sun]

they are fun to bait and kill with bubbles

[barren zephyr]

Ptera gives jack

[devout sun]

also yeah pteras just vibe and mess with people

[barren zephyr]

Not everything no that's putting words in my mouth

[carmine path]

They give you bout as much as a velo in legacy XD

[devout sun]

Yeah, and they give about that make fks about their lives too

[jolly void]

did I hear velo

[devout sun]

oh no

[carmine path]

I think you mean Juvi Killer?

[jolly void]

yes

[devout sun]

I hated velos with a passion in legacy actually

Kill on sight for nothing more than to watch them burn

[jolly void]

[devout sun]

They killed my poor babu ceratos one time

[barren zephyr]

KOS all Carnivores

[devout sun]

and I have never forgiven them

[jolly void]

good

[barren zephyr]

giga>rex

Utah>

[pale bloom]

Triggered

[devout sun]

#AverageGigaEnjoyer #AverageUtahFan

my case is closed

[barren zephyr]

Giga is based

[jolly void]

ok tbh I don't like legacy velo either but I have high hopes for evrima velo

[barren zephyr]

Imagine growing for hours to be solo killed in Broad daylight by a tiny raptor LMAO

[devout sun]

evrima velo might be fun

[barren zephyr]

hopefully

[devout sun]

Thankfully evrima will have better game balancing than that

[jolly void]

imagine if velo gets pounce 😳

[devout sun]

so utah cucks like that can't ruin a game single handedly

wouldn't that be just nice

[barren zephyr]

Ah yes very balanced to go underwater and become invincible

[pale bloom]

You sound like a typical Legacy Dilo main

[barren zephyr]

Imagine a velo trying to pounce a rex

Zero risk gameplay in a survival game

[jolly void]

gets kicked to the shadow realm

[devout sun]

temporary

deino has no predator right now

[carmine path]

But evrima is not finished it still has balancing to be done

[barren zephyr]

Sounds a lot like legacy theri

[pale bloom]

That has zero brain and think it has some sort of skill

[devout sun]

that's just how it is

don't try and make utah a predator to everything sool

it's not

and should never have been

and the fact that that image is in people's heads is baffling

[jolly void]

But imagine a pack of velos pouncing an ava

[barren zephyr]

Rex main that thinks afking in a Bush for 8 hours means it should destroy all other dinis with no counterplay

[devout sun]

Rex gets cucked by anything that isn't apex, you made a great deal of effort to show us that

[pale bloom]

The counterplay shouldn't be a 1 hour grow Dino

[devout sun]

your literally counteracting your own argument

[barren zephyr]

Ah yes the war of who can AFK longer

[pale bloom]

But whatever I never died to Dilos or Utahs ever on Legacy

[barren zephyr]

Excellent idea let's make it like rust where only no life players can play

Utah is more of a opportunistic hunter, killing whats smaller and weaker than it, or going for larger prey in groups.

[jolly void]

Let's make it so people that spend hours and hours in the game get killed by someone that spent 1 hour, excellent

[pale bloom]

You probably AFK grew aswell, that's game issue not player issue, so drop it

[barren zephyr]

Nope

[devout sun]

Shin, utah solo killing everything is not balanced. That is an undisputed fact, and your wrong to think otherwise.

Legacy is an example of what to do wrong, why are you trying to repeat the same mistakes we are so desperately trying to avoid?

[barren zephyr]

What's the alternative?

[jolly void]

What's the best?

[barren zephyr]

Legacy Utah

[barren zephyr]

I disagree but respect your opinion

Yea lemme just assride this 6 hour grow rq

[devout sun]

Okay well I'm glad we came to a solid conclusion

shin will not settle for anything less than utah solo killing everything

so there is literally 0 point in arguing with them

[pale bloom]

Proceeds to ride a Giga to death

[jolly void]

Lemme just spend 1 hour and kill this person that spent more time and effort than me

[barren zephyr]

Utah solo killing a brachi

[pale bloom]

Counterplay

[barren zephyr]

Can we discuss how bullshit the birds are now? How am I supposed to solo kill them as Utah when they can fucking fly? How is that balanced?

because it flys

[devout sun]

^

[barren zephyr]

Give Utah wings

[jolly void]

flies*

[devout sun]

Guys it's not worth it

[barren zephyr]

NOOOOOOOOOO

[pale bloom]

Honestly Pteras should be able to kill Utahs, you know, counterplay

[compact hare]

wow yall still here

[jolly void]

Ikr

[barren zephyr]

no

[barren zephyr]

Utah main levels of patience

[pale bloom]

They grow in 45 mins, Utahs 1 hour 30 mins, afk war

[jolly void]

shin will never agree that utah shouldn't solo everything in game

[compact hare]

its all a lie then

[barren zephyr]

I don't think they should solo everything in the game

utah kills hypo rex

[devout sun]

You already said they should

[compact hare]

at this point yall are already friends

[jolly void]

You said that they should kill rexes, deinos, gigas, what?

[barren zephyr]

I don't think I did

[pale bloom]

This is so cringy for me as Utah main

[devout sun]

I said that if you think utah solo killing everything is balanced, your wrong, that is a fact. You then replied "I respect your opinion but I disagree."

[barren zephyr]

💪

You're misinterpreting my answer

[devout sun]

whats your actual opinion

[barren zephyr]

I think it's balanced I never said I think it should be reality

[devout sun]

Thankfully I will do my best to make sure it doesn't happen

As until now I thought that was a unanimous opinion

it's common sense after all

This is stupid anyway

[barren zephyr]

games better when big predators can't just annihilate the map ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[devout sun]

I'm done with this argument

[barren zephyr]

don’t be done

[cyan flame]

They can't anyway, running away is a valid option in survival.

[devout sun]

games better when small predators can't just annihilate the map ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I'm out

[cyan flame]

A utah doesn't get caught unless it wants to

[carmine path]

I never in a million years expected 16 check marks for a deino buff post

[barren zephyr]

Don’t out

[barren zephyr]

They can't lol

[devout sun]

if the topic changes I might join back in the discussion

[barren zephyr]

Deino can tho

[devout sun]

either way take care everyone

cya

[barren zephyr]

[carmine path]

Viper i did it

[barren zephyr]

Utahs win through patience again

A classic Isle tale

utah kills brachi by looking at it

That's just rude

[pale bloom]

Drop the argument with this guy at this point he's just trolling

[devout sun]

Oh shin I'm out, I figured out there's no arguing with you, but don't worry my friend

every person with a brain cell will take my place

closing this tab now

cya

[barren zephyr]

closing the tab

Not very kind to personally attack someone when we're discussing dinosaur balance in a videogame dude

viper dead

dead

It's all lighthearted

Relax, kick back, chill out

[cyan flame]

@fathom idol No stupid affinity system please. Just fix the shallow river parts, so deinos can be on their way, and that'll be fine. Mixing and stuff in general will hopefully be fixed with diets and all, so there is that.

[carmine path]

Shin stop trolling and get out

[barren zephyr]

we do a little t

Not even trolling

[carmine path]

No one wants bullshit in here

[compact hare]

dont shit on eachother please

[barren zephyr]

Please respect the rules and stop being rude

I've not attacked anyone

We're discussing game balance

[carmine path]

Shin in saying if you want to troll get out, if you want to talk about actual balance feel free to discuss

[jolly void]

Yes you fucking are, you are saying that it would be balanced for a 500kg animal to kill a 6 ton one.

[barren zephyr]

Genuinely not trolling lol

[urban flax]

I'm surprised people actually managed to keep calm this long
(I've been saying nothing but watching the whole convo)
Congrats guys

[barren zephyr]

Having an opinion different to yours is not trolling

[carmine path]

No one said that but this is just pure troll

[barren zephyr]

thanks

That's exactly what you're saying lol

I give my opinions, you say I'm trolling

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Not my fault its an echo chamber in here

let’s. just not make this legacy 2.0.

[jolly void]

All you need to have is common sense for that opinion to be a bad one.

[compact hare]

just discuss, no need to get mad on eachothers opinion, yall grab some coffee or tea, wear a suit and just discuss about it this server is so hot headed my god

[carmine path]

It is a balance opinion that absolutely no one should agree with due to the BLATANT IMBALANCE in every word that you have said thus far

[barren zephyr]

mhm

Again I disagree and that's fine were allowed to disagree lol

I don't think apexes should be invincible to smaller predators and you think they should

That's fine

No big deal

[jolly void]

I don't think they should, you think that they should get 1v1'd by small predators.

They should get killed when it's a pack of small predators, but not solo

[barren zephyr]

oh no it’s shit dinner

[carmine path]

Shin, we have given you so many answers on why your argument is an issue but you have refused every one saying “im good utah i should easy 1v1 rex with patience”

[barren zephyr]

Unlucky lol I'm allowed to not think your reasons are good enough

[cyan flame]

@barren zephyr They shouldn't, but small makes up for size with numbers. That, I think, is the point here. A rex is not incvincible to utahs, it's invincible to one or two utahs, but not an actual pack. You don't need to kill rexes as a solo utah to be viable, plenty of prey you can take out on your own.

[barren zephyr]

wait, bleed won’t work the same in evrima though? you can’t bleed people out, but rather the bleeding effect drains stamina?

[carmine path]

Bleed kills you after the blood pool is gone

[jolly void]

You didn't give us ONE good argument as to why you don't think our reasons are good, this isn't a discussion, atleast not right now

[cyan flame]

You can bleed em out, blood still has it's own "health" pool.

It just has added effects as well

[barren zephyr]

I gave loads lol its a balance thing its not very enjoyable for servers to be full of apexes with no counters but other apexes or their own species

[carmine path]

But never think bleed is viable cause it is basically useless in combat now tbh unless you are a very heavy bleeder

[manic flint]

When you lose blood you get Stam and health slower but if you run out you die immediately

[barren zephyr]

E. G what's happening right now with deino

[jolly void]

You are saying that a utah should 1v1 a rex, and that's not fun for the server, only for that ONE PLAYER.

[carmine path]

There are future updates where semi-aquatic dinos will come to compete with deino so this is irrelevant

[barren zephyr]

1 Utah and 100 Utahs are functionally identical in game terms other than lowering the time to kill

[jolly void]

No they aren't

[barren zephyr]

How?

[carmine path]

But absolutely not in anyway

[manic flint]

More than one Utah can pounce smth

[carmine path]

Shin you have to think about factors

[manic flint]

At the same time

[barren zephyr]

90 minute grow shouldn’t kill 420 minute grow

[carmine path]

You are thinking just DMG and they cannot heal

[junior crow]

pretty sure that wasn't what viper was saying or atleast what he wasn't trying to get at. the fact that animals are challenging other animals far out of there weigh ranges with zero fear at all i.e. what's been happening with Deino, is unfair and from what I have seen that was Viper's point

[jolly void]

When it's a solo utah, anything can just keep it's front towards the utah and it wins, when it's a pack, the other utahs can distract the target and the rest can go and pounce or bite, it's simple

[barren zephyr]

Ambushing with terrain etc it's not like you'd go Utah vs Rex in a field on Evrima

It's not Legacy

[carmine path]

You have to remember DPS, Healing Speed, bleed resistance, baiting bites with other utahs as distractions so others can go in, amount of bleed you can output in a certain time frame for the bleed resistance and many other factors

[barren zephyr]

It’s just going to be risky, because 1. Collision and 2. Apex trample

[cyan flame]

@balmy gust That should honestly go for both carnis and herbis, not as if only herbis goes on killing sprees cause boredom. But yes, I would be so much happier if there was things to do and value both during my 5 hour growth and after I'm grown. Diets, perks, and stuff soon please!

[jolly void]

Still, one bite or pounce isn't enough.

[carmine path]

Speaking of collision deinos needs to be fixed

[jolly void]

In any place the animal could keep it's front to the utah

[barren zephyr]

Not letting it heal is kinda integral to the kill though

That's a skill factor

[carmine path]

Aight everyone rn listen no more typing

[barren zephyr]

Typing

Also typing

[carmine path]

If is fairly obvious no one is gonna win this argument

[jolly void]

In dense forests it's even better for the animal because it can protect itself using a tree

[barren zephyr]

I'm unironically winning this argument

[jolly void]

No you aren't, all you're doing is disagreeing with us, that's not winning an argument

[devout sun]

Oh hi guys here to laugh at this message for just a second

[carmine path]

I am in pain cause of the words i am unable to use to describe your actions