general-feedback-discussion

[barren zephyr]

I feel like there needs to be a small river connecting the SE river with central river

Very tight one

[devout sun]

Shallow river gets deeper/removed

besides the dick stego problem

it's a totally accessable safe place to drink

[cyan flame]

I haven't actually been around the map that much, I found the plains, decided this was a good stego home, and there I stay :p

[barren zephyr]

Shallow river needs to at least be deep enough to swim in

deinos water walk/trot is just too slow

[cyan flame]

So I've no idea where the part is you're referring to probably :p

[devout sun]

right now, carnos, utahs, anything that has to drink just goes there

free of threat from Deino

[barren zephyr]

its just not fun to go venture to swamp as a central deino

[devout sun]

which means no food for Deino

since they all go there

[barren zephyr]

yep

At first deino was scary but I've learnt that its insanely easy to cheese it

[cyan flame]

Welcome to stego life :p

You're overestimated until people realize how quick and easy they can kill you xD

[devout sun]

stego like : grow for the same time as a Deino, find a friend, and literally be invincible, terrorize the Deino population, make them regret joining the server

even though you have the same grow time

[barren zephyr]

I've went around the map a lot and have a general idea of where things are, theres a extremely shallow river that you are forced to go through as a central deino if you want to reach swamp, besides being mind numbing to go though the deino is left open to any attack by a stego, so one area of the map is just locked off if you spawn in center as deino

[devout sun]

either way, I gotta go do some stuff, cya guys

[cyan flame]

To be fair, deinos are the only things we do pose something of a threat to :p

[barren zephyr]

cya

[devout sun]

Stegos shouldn't pose a threat to anything unless anything attacks them, defensive not offensive

not hunting things

[cyan flame]

Oh I agree, but threat in the sense of being able to actually get it and kill it :p

[sick crescent]

it should

[barren zephyr]

Stego needs to one shot carno and deino needs to one shot utahs, just QoL common sense changes

[sick crescent]

posing a threat doesnt matter in term of offensive or defensive

[barren zephyr]

Stego seems like one of the laid back defensive herbies

[sick crescent]

besides the game still massively favors offense over defense

[barren zephyr]

I dont see it being that offensive

[cyan flame]

But I agree that stego should be defensive/moving defense/retreat, and not go on the offense unless it wants to die/something is aleady crippled and halfdead

[sick crescent]

which is very stupid

[cyan flame]

How it should be, at least to me. Stego should be, like anky, one of those where you're just happy to be on your way, and leave things alone unless they come too close (or just stand there and let you walk up to them I guess).

[cyan flame]

And that is so stupid. Defense should always be easier than offense.

[flat crypt]

at least against carnos and utahs though, defense is easier. Chasing after them won't reap you many rewards

Deino is a lot less mobile though, so they can go on the attack and come out the other end fine

[ashen elm]

I don't think Deino should win at all against a Stego on land. Just make Stego's more vulnerable swimming and that should solve most issues.

Also make rivers deeper.

[glad dirge]

Underground rivers/tunnels

[leaden locust]

I think we need a big lake. Which will be located between the swamp and other rivers. At the same time, do not have direct contacts with them. And there were no spawns for deino. Let's just say, a lake worth sweating for. And so that there is not one long gut of death for deino. Let the risk of crossing the land for the sake of this lake.

[glad dirge]

absolutely

[crystal minnow]

^I like that idea too

[keen pond]

Yea good idea!

[glad dirge]

@pliant haven

[pliant haven]

doesnt mean i cant say i want one

[glad dirge]

You and over 30 other people lol

[pliant haven]

again i dont care who said what already i feel that this game needs this mechanic so i put it in the feedback channel

[urban flax]

How is reposting the same thing 50 times relevant ? I can understand that not everybody reads previous messages, but when you're told that it has already been suggested one hundred times just accept that it wasn't necessary to post it one more time.

[pliant haven]

ppl are realy getting upset about me posting my feedback 1 time

[urban flax]

And saying you don't care when you're told it's useless

[pliant haven]

you guys rlly think im going to go read that whole chat before i post my messege?

[urban flax]

Because there are people in this server who do care, and who would like the general feedback channel to remain as clean as possible so that it can have good readability for devs

[urban flax]

Actually that's what anyone is supposed to do before posting anything in here

But since you're probably new to the server and a lot of people do the same I'm not going to blame you for this

[outer mauve]

More larger fish or sustainable fish would help. A large lake would be nice too so there can be more space. But at the same time something like that could gather dinosaurs so more interactions. And land to get to it lol!

[swift dew]

read the whole chat? you could look at it for 10 seconds and find multiple people suggesting a que system

[barren zephyr]

It doesn't need it

I really dont get why people want a queue system

you guys do know that the stress test WILL end someday, and what use would a queue system do then?

There will NEVER be a server as jampacked as the current stress test ones

[urban flax]

Actually something that would really help to get people into servers would be to kick afk people

[barren zephyr]

So it would be useless after this

[pliant haven]

queue system was already needed before stress test i think

[barren zephyr]

Nope

[pliant haven]

bruh can i not have a oppinion

[barren zephyr]

It was insanely easy to get in the normal way before

[pliant haven]

not on the actualy fun servers

[barren zephyr]

I'm disagreeing with your opinion

[barren zephyr]

not true

just keep refreshing

after a at MAX a minute, you would get in

[pliant haven]

thats the whole problem

[barren zephyr]

explain?

[pliant haven]

i dont want to have to refresh my page 10 times to get in a server

i would rather click on the server and wait in a queue for 5 minutes

[barren zephyr]

It's just a short amount of time

you have to spend

it really isnt a issue

[pliant haven]

its not about the time

[barren zephyr]

Sure it exist, but its not big enough to warrant the massive trouble making a queue system would be

[pliant haven]

you do realise the legacy players will start going to evrima and then it will become a problem

[barren zephyr]

it was never a problem with legacy

So why would it be for evrima?

[pliant haven]

i have had this problem alot in legacy

[barren zephyr]

seems like a you issue

[pliant haven]

bruh why you so salty about my oppinion and my concerns

[barren zephyr]

I'm just disagreeing with you

Wdym

If you dont want people to disagree with your opinion then dont even state it

[pliant haven]

your mostly being salty about it mate and i think it needs to be added to the game you dont gotta attack me about it

[barren zephyr]

How am I attacking you? i'm giving my reasons to why I dont want it in the game

[pliant haven]

i mean if i want something in the game im not just going to sit here and not saying anything

[barren zephyr]

"salty" how?

[pliant haven]

plus how would it be bad for the game

[barren zephyr]

And people are allowed to disagree with you

[barren zephyr]

I just explained why

[pliant haven]

no you did not

[barren zephyr]

The current system works fine 95% of the time, making a queue system isnt worth the effort

[swift dew]

the longest it ever took me to join in legacy was 10 minutes, if it really is as hard to make as punch said it was, then I don't think it would be worth it. though it might be nice for when updates drop

[barren zephyr]

^

[barren zephyr]

I spent the last few minutes explaining it to you

[pliant haven]

you did not give me any reasons why it would be bad for the game you just gave me ur oppinion wich idc about tbh

[barren zephyr]

Then clearly you didnt read my comments

Because I gave plenty of reasons

[pliant haven]

no you dint you gave oppinions i dont think you know what the diffrence is do you

[barren zephyr]

Waste of dev time, current system is mostly fine, and even in the rare cases were servers are jampacked it wont be nearly as bad as it is right now

In comparison you haven't gave a single argument against me

[pliant haven]

i have tho i told you why i want it in the game lol

[barren zephyr]

I think you don't know what the difference is

[barren zephyr]

and I gave reasons to why I disagree

If you can't counter those points then clearly it isnt that good for the game

[pliant haven]

i DID counter ur point

bruh imma head our ur frying my brain

[barren zephyr]

when?

[barren zephyr]

I'm just using common sense

Lmao what

[glad dirge]

I thought a queue would cause more afk in the servers, if people just hop in a queue and then go eat lunch or something. What's the purpose of adding one to a stress test that will close in like a week?

[carmine path]

They already said they are gonna add a queue system later on in development

[past tusk]

the waterways need tweaking. Take a look at my custom map, at the moment on a deino, you either spawn east or west. there is only ONE way to get to the other side and that is via the central 'river' with the dotted line. I call it a river but in reality its a 2 ft deep road that takes about 20 minutes to cross with deinos speed. as you can see there is not enough options for deinos. after growing x5 to 100% adult i can tell you it is very tedious getting around the map with so few paths to take.

[hybrid matrix]

wut are the grey bits on that map

[odd sedge]

The mountains

Or these large rock formations rather

[hybrid matrix]

ah ok

[rugged quarry]

Woah now a riding mechanism changes things... If babus can hop on deino backs may I suggest this for ptera?

[hybrid matrix]

[glad dirge]

maybe for hypsi

Hypsi is the fast schwimmerz

[odd sedge]

That was on my mind as well but I was unsure, because what if the deino dives under?

[glad dirge]

Ptera is lunch

[hybrid matrix]

ptera go swim swim

[odd sedge]

But I could imagine baby pteras riding on other dinos in general.
Like sitting between the plates of a stego and vibing

[glad dirge]

^ yeah

[rugged quarry]

Really wish there was a historical analogy for a oxpecker thatwould be where I think the devs would implement riding on herbs

[glad dirge]

Ooh yes

Aren't they on like

Rhinos or something

[odd sedge]

That would mean there could be pests too on which the lil guys feed

But no one wants random debuffs

[glad dirge]

I hope the pests aren't in anyway negative for the bigger dino

But just an added positive for little guys

[rugged quarry]

Infestation debuf would need a reason to exist

[glad dirge]

I guess it would make sense if you spend too long is a swampy climate and you aren't a swampy dino

[odd sedge]

I mean you could also just add little mosquitos noises around your dino which are only a little annoying

Or your dinosaur will wish to wallow and scratch itself

[rugged quarry]

^proabably the safest bet

[paper oriole]

Pest infestation would just be another annoying thing to manage and being punished for not having another specific dino around is bad design, so no pest debuffs unless it's tied directly to bad behaviour

[odd sedge]

Exactly, no debuffs

[paper oriole]

Wallowing is already there for hiding tracks and stopping bleed i dont also wanna have to do if to not hear mosquitos lol

[odd sedge]

But a little oxpecker would still be a neat pet.
Could also clean deino teeth

[paper oriole]

Then youd be rolling in mud for like 30% of your gameplay

[barren zephyr]

utahs need to go up trees because of damn carnos

[paper oriole]

What

Honestly utahs are already mobile enough and they shoulda saved the tree scaling for Velo but ik the devs love their JP clone raptor

[odd sedge]

Let Velo and Herra climb. Good enough

[barren zephyr]

no they aint lmao carnos can almost move at the same speed and turn the same amount as a utah can because of the drift turn system

[paper oriole]

Utah can jump onto high rocks and outmaneuver carnos already

[rugged quarry]

Could be a way of deterring massive groups as diseases would spread quickly through large groups (idk I just want the oxpecker friends around too)

[barren zephyr]

the rocks that are in this new map are way to hard to jump on during those type of situations ive tried and if u do the slightest thing wrong u will just slide on the side of it

[odd sedge]

Yeah but yet again, debuffs and death for a random thing aren't the most fun

[paper oriole]

If anything carno should just be less agile, tree scaling is kinda wasted on utah

[barren zephyr]

yeah i can agree with that

[paper oriole]

Itll probably end up getting it because it's one of the devs' faves though

[odd sedge]

Yeah, turn radius nerf is something I'd suggest

[barren zephyr]

carno should be able to be as mobile as they are now

[paper oriole]

Carno should bd less agile, velo should get tree scaling

[odd sedge]

^

The turn radius doesn't need to be as bad as in legacy, but it needs a nerf

BUT
Coming back to our lil oxpecker.
What if instead of preventing debuffs, it could a little buff in a certain way. Nothing drastic, but something that makes it worth to be kept alive and around

[rugged quarry]

Maybe it could be purely visual, little red bumps and scarring. That way, since there’s no interspecies chat the oxpecker stand in knows what’s up and the larger Dino doesn’t care what happens either way.

Yeah a buff could work. Like an immune system increase for idk 2%-5% faster healing

[odd sedge]

That could work...

[rugged quarry]

Visual debuf would spit in the face of skin creation now that I think of it

[near hound]

I do recall Dondi mentioned a long while ago in a stream about carnivores being able to go into an animation of sorts to “open their mouths and let little creatures clean their teeth”. Something like that. He then mentioned said dinosaur would be attacked while having its dental work and wrecked lol, but perhaps that really is some kind of mechanic the team is pondering?

[glad dirge]

The only real disease should have a true negative I think is if you decide to munch on a rotting carcass and aren't a trash panda cera

[odd sedge]

True true

[rugged quarry]

Yeah and that would be more internal damage

Is quetz going to spend its time hunting on the ground like it did irl? Feels like it would get absolutely wasted. I’m hoping it has a land equivalent for the petra fishing animation.

[haughty cliff]

Re: suggestion that the heart beat slower instead of faster when you're dying of blood loss: that's actually not how it works; when a body starts to run out of blood the heart HAMMERS at superspeed trying to pump the low blood volume more efficiently through the body. It eventually can't keep up and you die

[past tusk]

@hybrid matrix noticable rocks

[hybrid matrix]

@past tusk concealed papers

[past tusk]

😆

[hybrid matrix]

OHHHHhh

i was confused about why u pinged me

[still raptor]

Is it bc he killed you lmao?

[fiery lion]

Take care guys on EU7 is a Cheater who gets invisible

he killed nearly the whole center river

[silver blaze]

@hollow jungle titanoboa didn't even live at the same time of dinosaurs it lived millions of years after them what are you on about

[jade schooner]

@next nexus regarding how the blood management could work, I like the idea of having to eat or bite a target to regain it. What could be done, is something in the sorts of, have a separate parameter, that is full. And drains down with use. After it is drained, if you want to use it again, it would take away a bit of your health/blood bar maybe? So in that regard it would make up for risky gameplay when you're desperate (trading your own health for cc/track), but if an efficient hunter, these things shouldn't happen.

Maybe

[dry osprey]

Titanoboa is already planned, but we won’t be seeing it until way later and the core mechanics and dinosaurs are in. This is because physics on a giant snake is hard to implement, and it would take a long time to get it working properly

[rugged quarry]

Would a fully aquatic creature be massively panned? I suggested something like that but nobody saw because of a heated argument going on

[jade schooner]

I wouldn't recommend a fully aquatic creature because gameplay would be very restricted. Semiaquatics in the other hand can play around a little more widely (nothosaurus and atopodentatus for example, that are more tied to the water but can still have a ground gameplay, tho limited).

[dry osprey]

I think the problem of implimenting a fully aquatic is the same problem BoB has, where the aquatic gameplay would be really boring because the oceans empty

[jade schooner]

And what the undead deer said

[dry osprey]

In down for a fully aquatic patch though, or a fully aquatic map after the core games done

For a full aquatic roster

[rugged quarry]

The only reason I say this is because the mangrove biome gave me an interesting idea

“Before I propose a stupid idea I’m gonna run it thru here. There were part-time fresh water plesiosaurs (don’t worry they spent most of their time in fresh water the rest was in brackish environments) they acted much like the dolphins or seals of their time. I read up on plesiosaurs and learned that the necks weren’t noodley and were actually used to get an extra few seconds to sneak up on fish since fish sense vibration and the small disconnected head was harder to detect. Only thing I am not so sure about is it’s little quirk all the other dinos have and the fact that’s it’s fully aquatic (although a funny little seal belly hop could be the answer)”

[swift dew]

if they add fully aquatics, they would have to make an enitirely seprate ocean map, because the interaction between land animals and aquatics would be very minmal. they would end up just filling server slots

[jade schooner]

It's a thought they've had, but that would come way down the line. I'm pretty sure they want to have aquatic stuff

[next nexus]

@jade schooner I get what you mean, a sort of back up tank that's used first before you start eating away at your own blood meter deal. If purely based on your blood meter was considered too punishing a back up parameter would help I agree.

[hollow jungle]

oh so the website i got that from is not relitabel i guss

[dry osprey]

Sweet, like I said, Id be so down for a fully aquatic DLC that comes with a aquatic map

[jade schooner]

Ye, that :3

In a more aesthetic idea, it would be interesting to have the tissue over the antorbital fenestra (or the tissue that covers the naris, idk) fill with a red hue (to signal the blood) and the blood being shoot out through the nose. Just a thought.

[dry osprey]

^ That should be a suggestion

That would b pretty sick

[next nexus]

that works, I only said spit because I really didn't want it to 'shoot through the eyes' like a thorny devil, would be way too directly slapped on from a real life counterpart. More visual indicators of information to players is good

[zinc wind]

Small heads up, the waterfall cave near south spawn has turned into a deathtrap

do not go there, just lost full deino lol

(u fall down while swimming and drown)

[red tree]

you know whats suuuuper annoying, watching pteras constantly scout for carnos

can they see in the water from above?

[hybrid matrix]

if a big deino is just below the point where they automatically surface then u can see them in the same way u can see the alien from Predator use its camo

[red tree]

interesting, i'll have to check it out as bird one day, but when a bird is squackin to carnos in front of water theyre about to drink, im like....yo dude i gotta eat too lmao

[blazing charm]

@near tiger Honestly, I think I can share your sentiment of the Legacy form of grouping being alot easier, though I think going strictly back to that system isn't the best thing. The old way made was definitely too easy, basically making grouping boil down to skimming through a player list and then wandering into the general area to find your friends. There was also the issue of being able to communicate across the map with group chat, but that's already been addressed.

Out of curiosity, what is it exactly about the current grouping system that you don't like, or feel is inefficient?

[rugged quarry]

Merc loading screens should have fun facts like “Trex’s are actually closer in geologic time to smartphones than stegosaurs”

[barren zephyr]

On God I hate the group limits, and the fact that 2 call is to invite people. Wish it was a different button because 2 call feels very inconvenient.

[urban flax]

Th main inconvenience I personnally see for the current grouping system is that it's completely bugged and requiers 3-calling all the time to not end up in unwanted groups.

[near tiger]

well, i'd say just having to go find wherever my friend is on a new map to 2 call them into a group with me. It'd just make it easier to find each other atleast for now. Though i see your point about combing through a player list with invites! And then yesterday i was playing with a group of utahs, which walked off some distance from me while i was getting water and their names had disappeared! They had joined another utahs group from being 2 called so they were no longer in the one with me. I did find them and join up, I just don't like being ditched i suppose for another utah's 2 call @blazing charm

[urban flax]

One time with a few pteras we spend 5 minutes 2 and 3-calling at each other trying to all get in the same group xD

[silver blaze]

i agree i really hope they make that stuff an option

[barren zephyr]

Same here

Simply switching it to different buttons and making it easier to invite people would be fine for me

[urban flax]

Specific calls for grouping would be way better
Or a long-pressed 2-call as some people have suggested

And maybe only invite the person you're looking at instead of inviting everyone in the vicinity

[near tiger]

and yes, being spammed with 2 call group invites from other players too

[barren zephyr]

Yes

[near tiger]

the 2 call grouping system just feels a bit complicated lol, with 2 call invite spams, trying to invite certain people vs everyone, and then people joining other players 2 calling instead of the group already established

[rugged quarry]

@manic flint axolotls as a prey item? Or a playable creature? The latter will def not happen unless you want something like a koolasuchus but neotenic.

[urban flax]

@languid axle This sounds exactly like the kind of thing that would encourage toxicity, and it's not really good for gameplay either

[hybrid matrix]

and the only reasons that were listed were that it could help report rulebreakers on servers with rules

[haughty cliff]

Yeah we're meant to stay hidden, seeing nametags when you sweep camera over someone would break camo entirely

[hybrid matrix]

thats not a very good feature if the only practical application is for rules servers

[languid axle]

@urban flax yeah was just a thought wanted to see what you guys think 🙂

@haughty cliff yeah it would only be if visible if your hidden in a Bush then the nametag wouldn't show

[hybrid matrix]

still exploitable bc no bush fits a dino perfectly

[urban flax]

That's hard to code, and can still allow to see people that you wouldn't have noticed otherwise

[sick crescent]

I’d love the ability to block players again, to be fair...

[hybrid matrix]

there's always gonna be sticky-outty bits

[languid axle]

@hybrid matrix true dat well was just a thought 🙂

[hybrid matrix]

also i still want to hear the other applications are that don't involve reporting people on servers with rules

[wind cedar]

Do you think they'll add a Pachyrhinosaurus to the game?

[urban flax]

Maybe

[hybrid matrix]

not sure

[urban flax]

They did a model for it once, but we're not sure if it's coming back

[wind cedar]

I hope it does

[hybrid matrix]

what are the other applications for ur idea
that dont involve reporting rulebreakers on rules servers

[wind cedar]

Get us some more variation of Ceratopsians

[urban flax]

We already have a lot of them

[wind cedar]

not really

[blazing charm]

Just read through the grouping stuff, I kinda feel like the issue of finding your friends can be alleviated through level design and the spawn system, rather than grouping system, but I personally agree on the issue of using the 2 and 3 calls.

[urban flax]

Diablosaurus, Avaceratops, Protoceratops, Triceratops, Psittacosaurus

[rugged quarry]

Would koolasuchus even work as a lower risk lower reward mesopredator? They did exist in the Cretaceous. I kinda liked @manic flint ‘s idea of a cute axolotl. Although amphibians are notoriously thin skinned and are getting wrecked in modern times

[urban flax]

Sure they're all kinda similar, but it's not my fault if all ceratopsians are the same

[wind cedar]

true

[hybrid matrix]

wasnt styraco soft confirmed?

[urban flax]

Same as rhino I guess

[languid axle]

@hybrid matrix for a server for no rules if thier was limits on packs or even free form server or with the global chat now gone let's say someone helps you ingame like your starving and need food or goes out of his way to escort you to herd or your group by looking at them you could also get the name of said person and have a new friend

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but that isnt practical
its only practical on rules servers

[urban flax]

But you can't chat with them so it's not really useful

[hybrid matrix]

this too

also in the future, no rules servers are gonna be able to remove pack limits

[languid axle]

Aaah ok thats 😎

[silver blaze]

@manic flint there is zero reason to add axolotls it would just be wasted dev time

they wont add them just because they are cute

[full torrent]

Why don't we bind group invites to F call over the 2 call lol, doeent F call have little purpose outside of repeating the call you make when speaking?

[urban flax]

Well F call doesn't sound really inviting at all

[full torrent]

Well wheres the problem there besides that? 2/3 calls in the past had functionality in saying "freindly/dangerous", F call was barely used, and its out of the way.

[barren zephyr]

Could work tbh

[urban flax]

Binding the call that is heard every time you say anything also feels weird imo

[sick crescent]

I think a key or something like a menu to do the add to group call thing would be somewhat better?

[manic flint]

I propose an alt 2 and an alt 3 call for accepting or rejecting invites. Alt 2 to accept, alt 3 to deny. They will sound different than the normal calls. That's also how to solve the keybind problem. That way we can say we're friendly without trying to group.

[odd sedge]

Can't suggest anything, because of the cooldown, BUT
5 call tab for group invite, 5 call hold for mating call/ mate invite

[manic flint]

I think holding the Alt key would work too cause misclicks

[paper oriole]

Isn't it kinda a given that both parents would be able to feed offspring in the nest update? Unless something was actually said that suggested otherwise

[glad dirge]

yeah seems a bit of..a waste to have the mum not be able to add food

[paper oriole]

Seems like plain common sense that both the mother and father can supply food like birds and tons of other animals do irl

[turbid mauve]

@mellow yacht Deino can grab carno and drown it, you suggesting to one bite kill it is despicable.

😏

[mellow yacht]

I said the Carno was around 30% grown, a literal juvie and it tanked a deino bite. The deino's mouth was bigger than the carno itself. How is that not a one shot? I'm not talking about a fully grown carno

[tawny juniper]

Deino age?

[mellow yacht]

fully grown

[swift dew]

@languid axle ah yes, let us see the name tags of players in a game where hiding is 50% of whether you survive or not, wonderful why didn't we think of this already (edit: looked higher in this channel, lets not start something)

[turbid mauve]

u did not clarify dat doe

in ur suggestion, gotta be specific

[tawny juniper]

He did but okay

[turbid mauve]

whoops

i misread mb

[mellow yacht]

no worries

[turbid mauve]

i just saw the first sentence and the important bits, y'know

[tawny juniper]

🙄

[turbid mauve]

anywho

devs pretty sticky about oneshot killing

ain't fun

[paper oriole]

Deino doesnt need a flat buff in damage, at least not now. What he needs is fracture damage in addition to his bite when that comes

[turbid mauve]

so does steg

[paper oriole]

So when he bites a juvie carno or utah he cripples it

Steg needs a buff when bigger shit comes

[turbid mauve]

😏 steg

[paper oriole]

Otherwise allo and alberto and friends will roflstomp it

[turbid mauve]

da fuq a allo>? i remeber da days when steg stomped on allo wit one hit

i no comprehendi

[mellow yacht]

stego in this version is a shadow of its former self on legacy

[paper oriole]

I mean steg doesnt even onehit carno with an impale hit to the neck

[barren zephyr]

An I not fly when hurt? Just got attacked and now my spacebar does nothing D:

[turbid mauve]

dat neck be vibing

[cyan flame]

Stego needs a buff as it stands right now, but for some reason people are fine with stego having issues, but god forbid deino is the same. Strange, is it not? :p

[icy lion]

try swimming or falling a short distance, its a common bug

[paper oriole]

He should when more small game is added and when bigger things are added that are supposed to tussle with it

Its stupid that a small game hunter can 1v1 even average steg players lol

I havent bothered with it much myself though

[swift dew]

to be fair, it makes zero sense for something to just drop dead, the only way that happens is if the connection from the brain to the rest of the body becomes severed, so a broken neck, or decapitation and stego does neither of those, sure if you skewer a utah is going to die in less than 10 seconds but that isnt it just dropping dead out of nowhere

[turbid mauve]

i remember da days when they would flaunt and i was a nobody with no brain and i would hit when they flaunt and they got me 😢 i was crying till i learned to trade and make sure i hit it, it was depressing dat day I died tho to 3 carnos

[cyan flame]

On the other hand, game, so. Do we want to sit there for an additonal x amount of seconds or minutes just to watch our critter die? I mean, might be proper horror but.. :p

[swift dew]

yes, I want to see the tiny little hypsi let out one extra little squeal of pain before it dies, I want the satisfaction that I know that I murdered that tiny little animal, and that it didn't die painlessly

[paper oriole]

If it is a sure death, like impaling your neck, the target shouldnt have to wait 10 seconds just to die when it's already certain

[cyan flame]

Fair enough! :p

[turbid mauve]

10 seconds in real life is like 0.5 seconds in a video game

[paper oriole]

Death throes and death cries could be a thing that happens when the player is already oofed but i dont wanna sit there for 10-15 seconds waiting to be able to start again

[cyan flame]

@quartz wadi On one hand, that makes sense, and I'm not opposed to it. But I will say I liked that you can escape by disorienting the tracks and then sneak away somewhere, while the hunters have no clue which way to go.

[paper oriole]

It wouldnt be horror especially after so many times of it happening, it would just be irritating

[turbid mauve]

its annoying dat i be dead but i still see the animal hollering ;-; then i get to mainscreen like it annoys me

[paper oriole]

I dont wanna get impaled by a stego and watch myself bleed out while stuck to its thagomizer for 10 sec lmao. Preferably once you've been ‘sentenced’ to death you should have the option to watch for the final moments or go back to selection if you don't got the patience or interest

[languid axle]

@swift dew yes comment on something where you clearly havent red the discussion with others yes goodjob for reading well done you!

[turbid mauve]

humans should be able to euthanize its victims

[paper oriole]

What

You mean like shoot them in the face right

Because yes, humans should shoot things in the face

[turbid mauve]

inject them and they die peacefully

[paper oriole]

But why?

That's so boring lol

I dont wanna be euthanized like some stray dog i wanna go out fighting

[turbid mauve]

CUZ they can, :/. coming at me with WHY, go ask human life IDK how it all works :/

[turbid mauve]

imagine dying to being eaten alive

[paper oriole]

So humans should just be able to hold you hostage and then inject you with the bad juice and send you back to selection? No way josé

[turbid mauve]

i mean dey should be able to do whateva they want sir or madam. as long as they gotz the resources, yu'll feel?

[paper oriole]

I'd rather be eaten alive than be held hostage for x amount of time before somebody pricks me with a needle for an uneventful death

Because the latter just sounds… ya know… boring?

And this is a game

It should try to not be boring when it can avoid it

[turbid mauve]

kay, inject them wit steriods to grow the animal bulk'er

so dat they dere friend now 😏

[paper oriole]

Idk i think if you nab a wild 1,000kg+ predator and pump it full of roids it will just try to eat you

Even most herbivores would wanna kick your ass

And these are player dinosaurs, almost all herbis will wanna kick your ass

[icy lion]

if some merc roided me up id "thank" them, then kill em and go on my drug induced rampage

[turbid mauve]

im talkin bout wat i would do, y'feel? i would help it cuz it helped me grow y'know?

[paper oriole]

Do you want mercs to get dinos addicted to drugs and rely on them to avoid withdrawal lmao

[turbid mauve]

take in mind dat im a elder stego and need the juices flowing again, y'feel?

[paper oriole]

Players aint gonna be ‘grateful’ they will kill the merc for shits and giggles

[turbid mauve]

elder lone steg

course nature can always retaliate but not always, i am the prime example :/

is u not comprehndi?

[paper oriole]

Unless the merc is an actual friend of theirs or they are the occasional chill player who won't take the opportunity to oneshot the puny naked ape that injected them with the good sauce

Plus a roided up giga stamping around seems a bit unfair to other dinos, it isnt like hypers meant to flatten all in its path and very hard to achieve

[turbid mauve]

Lemme spell it out for you: "Human Positive Reinforcement" = Tamed dinosaur player. However, this is a wild animal player dinosaur so it could reliate or lets say my old loner steg elder just wants to help this lil human travel with a bit of safety.

"old bull buffalos" wander and usually be loners

[paper oriole]

Human dino partnerships will likely happen regardless of mechanics encouraging or discouraging it

[turbid mauve]

@median karma dan buddy, hate to break it to ya but the mechanic dragging and grabbing dinos by deino and drowning it is already into play my friend, .

in other words, "the dmg thingy over time" u mentioned when it grabbed by deino jaws is irrelevant cuz it already be drowning it to death, wat more do ya want, y'feel?

[cyan flame]

@devout sun Just let the attack count for the highest hitbox of those it hits, if it covers more than one. Also I think juvie stegos are strangely powerful right now, but that should be fixed. As for the carno, with current issues deino have with hitting stuff, I'm inclined to say you didn't hit what you think you did, or even hit at all, if it lived that many bites from an adult deino.

[devout sun]

It was eating for the first bite, so I 100% headshot it

legit had about a second and a half to line up the first bite and landed it

second bite, the jaw collided with the base of the tail, but probably hit farther up

next bite was an alt bite as it came back around, and I should have headshot it, probably like hipshot with the way Deino works

then another tail shot

plus another probably body shot on the 3rd run, and a last tail shot as it retreated to finish it off

that's 6 bites, 2 of which were to the tail

4 to the head/body

[cyan flame]

Maybe leg shots, that's a thing apparently, or just outright misses. Did it make hurt sounds all the time?

[devout sun]

every one of them

[cyan flame]

I don't know then, the math does not add up at all, unless they've really messed with multipliers and health values for stuff.

I wish we could get better info.. this is stupid all around..

[devout sun]

or it just has a weak bite..

someone tested it I think

it's 5 bites on body 4 on head

[cyan flame]

Even with the biteforce currently

[devout sun]

to kill something a tier and half below you

that's 8 times faster

weighs 1/8th as much

and has less than half the biteforce

4 MINIMUM perfectly placed hits

That's stupid regardless

[cyan flame]

That's.. a surprising amount of health for a carno

[devout sun]

sure is

but Deino has trouble with all the low tiers

[cyan flame]

Yeah, didn't think it was that high

[devout sun]

so I think it's just Deino

since it also doesn't 1sk utah to the head either

and I mean, that carno's head AND neck fit in my mouth

mind you it was A SUB

not a full grown

[cyan flame]

Well no, we know the biteforce is low. But we also know why. But I'm surprised carno has that much health.

[devout sun]

It's just

I think I also figured out the alt bite hitbox

It's not the head, it's the body it hits

like in your shoulders

at least for the 180

I think the 90 or less is like your neck

straight forward is head

[cyan flame]

I had to read that a few times to figure out what you were saying.. :p Sounds very odd

[devout sun]

Sorry, but again, even consistantly getting that outcome

I still apparently "miss" where the blood and everything shows I hit

since if I 4 shot a sub to the head

an adult*

and I hit the sub in the face 3 times

plus 2 tails and a body shot

it should have been dead regardless

I guess the hitboxes are just that bad

[cyan flame]

Yeah, it sounds very off to me when I try to figure it out, so most likely you didn't actually hit at all.

[devout sun]

Blood and carno AUAUEUEUUEGHGHGHHHH made it pretty clear

[white rune]

Just correct its hit box

and maybe buff it to 620 damages

with a Utah health pool nerfed to that as well

[carmine path]

600 seems good enough

[median karma]

@turbid mauve shit man I had no idea, I’ve tried countless times trying to grab a Dino and with no success! Obviously I’m not doing it right lol. But can you grab hold of a full grown stegosaurus?

[white rune]

I mean

anyway

Utah needs of a health nerf

same as stamina pool

recovery

It runs damn long, recover quickly, has good hp, good damages, good speed, good turn

it is too versatile.

Fun fact : Utah can be runned down by Stego

[cyan flame]

I should point out, only if the utah is just not trying to escape at all :p

[white rune]

Scent it

follow the scent

[cyan flame]

Even so, only if you're not trying at all

[white rune]

then you'll get the Utah

[cyan flame]

You have speed advantage

[white rune]

if it stays in the open

[mellow yacht]

either the damage needs to be buffed for Deino, or Carno health needs a nerf

that thing is way too tanky

[white rune]

Why Carno ?

[cyan flame]

Well yes.. if you're not trying

[swift dew]

@median karma i agree deino could use a damage buff, but staying under water for 10-15 minutes is pretty op, maybe 8 minutes max, but even that might be pushing it

[mellow yacht]

If a juvie carno (let's say 30%) can face tank a deino, whos mouth is as big as that juvie carno (I saw this happen) that is really concerning

[white rune]

Carno can be nerfed to 1800 HP and it would be fine but it mostly needs of a damage nerf to 280 imo.

Anyway I wouldn't really touch Deinosuchus by itself because then we would need to buff Stego imo and then everything bigger will need to be a bite stronger and will have ridiculous looking stats.

But that was the problem since doing a roster based only on small creatures.

And there it looks to be balanced around mid tiers, which only Carno is.

[mellow yacht]

I agree with that, Carno needs to be nerfed in that aspect for sure. Carno is too good of a dino to be classed as mid tier atm

On top of how much damage it does, it's health and how versatile it is in terms of speed and combat, it needs to be toned down

[median karma]

@swift dew what’s the underwater time for the full grown deino at the moment?

[upper summit]

@nocturne basin put that in balance feedback not general

[tawny juniper]

@barren zephyr Utahs shouldn't be fighting deinos

[white rune]

Hypsilophodon :

20 HP
1 DMG

Pteranodon :

100 HP
10 DMG

Dryosaurus :

120 HP
10 DMG

Utahraptor :

500 HP
100 DMG (LMB) ; 75 DPS (LMB)

Tenontosaurus :

1500 HP
75 DMG (LMB) ; 230 DMG (Alt + LMB) ; 200 DMG (RMB) ; 400 DMG (Alt + RMB)

Carnotaurus :

1800 HP
250 DMG (LMB) ; 150 DMG (RMB)

Stegosaurus :

6000 HP
75 DMG (LMB) ; 1100 DMG (RMB and full swing)

Deinosuchus :

7000 HP
500 DMG (LMB) ; 500 (RMB but no multiplier)

I don't know if it would be perfect balance and I doubt it could be perfect but imo it could be better than now.

[exotic onyx]

@barren zephyr man Utah is a pack hunter. They hunt together. Deinos are just there where ever the food is if they’re around but they do not Hunt together... I’ve been saying this since this came out. Deino needs a buff for damage. Atleast 800-1000 bite force.

[white rune]

Personally I'm against Deinosuchus nerf as it would result to buff Stego even more and Stego is fine like that and would even be fine with apexes as how it is.

Like the only main problem is Utahraptor having too much HP.

Then Deino 4 shoting Carno is fine. Would be better if 3 shoting Tenonto but it should mainly remain on it to grab them.

Also Deinosuchus needs its hitbox to be fixed as you can pass through the whole body and the tail.

[tawny juniper]

DPS is very variable considering locational damage

[white rune]

I didn't do it for them yet because I'm lazy, it is almost 2 AM and did that in 40 minutes with some people

[swift dew]

i think its 3 minutes.

[median karma]

@swift dew Yeah realistically I think it should be at least 5 if not more!

[wild stone]

4 and a half seems more reasonable.

[swift dew]

somewhere between 5 to 8 minutes, maybe the base time could be 5 minutes and a perk could make it 8

[wild stone]

That's excellent. I agree.

[median karma]

@swift dew agreed 👍

[tawdry crow]

It is 5 minutes.

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-face-palm-seriously-exasperated-gif-7304550

[white rune]

kekw

[swift dew]

oh it is, ok I thought it was 3...

but it would still be a good perk idea for a little increase to 8 minutes

[white rune]

Perk are going to be spicy to balance omegalul

[median karma]

I do think the deino does need a damage buff, I mean the deino has the same bite force and weight at the T-Rex!! sorry to the deino haters but realistically...common!

[white rune]

Does realism has a mean in this game for stats?

I mean, situations should be realistic and at the same time balanced.

[median karma]

I hope the devs are going that way man but I’m not sure, I know balance is important

[white rune]

Also easy to be manipulated.

Imagine having 45K Newtons Deino so you have 600 000 HP Stego

Like it becomes quickly ridiculous

[swift dew]

@cold sapphire lmao, first of all there is a reason they made EVRIMA, its because legacy code is unstable. second of all, they are deleting legacy pretty soon, no reason to waste time adding new dinos. and third of all

oh and checkmarking your own feedback

oh and fourth of all its legacy so yeah they arent developing legacy because bad game

[wheat igloo]

@still needle

[still needle]

oh dang

thanks

did not know that

[crude girder]

Tail slam is secondary attack b

primary is the claws

[still needle]

hmm it seems no matter what setting i change it to it still requires 2 different button presses which was the problem. not sure if i am doing it wrong but yeah

oh wait wrong thing

oops

actually nevermind again i think no matter what it needs 2 button presses

[white rune]

Oops, didn't take attention it's so late.
Thank you.

[tawny juniper]

He might have done that so people react

For example

[add this]

✅ ❌

[swift dew]

oh no, he had posted it a good minute before I filled it with reactions. he only did the checkmark and no x.

[tawny juniper]

Ah

Then blast away

[paper oriole]

Ptera barely takes longer to grow than dryo of course it should be weak and its stam is only an issue if you are bad at managing it lol. Why do people think it should be buffed when ptera can already cross the map with relative ease

[cedar wolf]

it's because every ptera I see holds space to go to the moon every time they take off, I don't think many people realize it can glide almost forever

[swift dew]

and even then you could still probably glide a good halfway across the current map

[icy lion]

if i start north spawn i can make it halfway to radio tower off one launch as a fresh spawn

[white rune]

I agree that young Stegos need of a nerf

Sub are above 75% and it is fine

but they should not be overpowered

and also they still are possible to grab for adult Deinos

so they suck.

[kindred flare]

@hollow trail stego will beat deino like 75% of the time. If you can lure it inti the water you wil win. You best bet is to avoid a stego. Deino is ass on land or in shallow rivers so stay away from them. It doesnt have to kill the stego to be balanced. Just needs to get away.

[glad dirge]

As it should be, deino shouldnt do very good on land at all

[austere forge]

If I safe log when i have bleed will I it save my progress?

[glad dirge]

or at least, should do much better in water

yes

[austere forge]

yes to me?

[glad dirge]

yeys

[austere forge]

but isnt that a rule breaker?

[glad dirge]

there are no rules

at least not in qa branch

cant say the same for other evrima servers

[paper oriole]

If basking would be carni exclusive it definitely shouldn't boost healing because that's just another quality-of-life to carnis and a middle finger to herbis and omnis

[icy pilot]

@hoary ocean i wanted to but i dont have a vid or clip to allow me to do it

[hoary ocean]

If you can replicate the bug try and do so, record a clip if possible. But to submit clips you’d have to post it publicly on an exterior site (ex. Youtube) unlisted and place the link in the form.

[icy pilot]

ok ill try to see im guessing it had something to do with the swamp ig or logging on

[turbid mauve]

stop tryna act smart me with "smart alec" i know wat u is doing, and it ain't gonna work. stego is da only dino deino can't kill and of course peeps like u would try to make some bs stuff to try and smash it to the ground. legit deino kills it in water BY STAGGERING it. but now u want it to kill it on land too? i is confushion ;-;

[turbid mauve]

how da fuq is it overpowered? legit anything can run from a stego. jesus christ allo useto get one shotted by stego and now carno ain't even be getting one shotted

if u want realism, ill give u realism 😏

@devout sun do u not know how to lunge at a carno? deino mobility on land is not great. keep dat in mind, when you are tackling a predator that is more versed in its domain which is land. tigers kill crocodians all da time. cuz croc/allis get caught "on land." dis is just the devs tryna emulate this stuff. why can't people lunge and drown whatever opportunity it gets like its natural gameplay? i is confushion

[paper oriole]

[barren zephyr]

why

sub stego is so slow

how in the world could you die from one

the only thing it has going for it is its surprising strength

[turbid mauve]

i'll tell ya why, don't look at me like dat :/. its cuz crocodians DEPEND on big game (teno herds, etc) to cross rivers. if anything dat should be buffed is dat increase of underwater ambush mechanic cuz if the person sees one deino basking they know even if it tries to hide in water dat there is danger and which is okay (buffalo herds be scared cuz of history but when push comes to shove and they don't see dem they drink) so just make deino hide in da water more ez so it could better effectively ambush. ACTUALLY how bout we get theses AI teno herds, to support dese crocs cuz honey it ain't fun dyin of hunger cuz u dont see ur natural favored prey (which is determined by the ease of taking down the animal) and i know why eveyone is tryna bully stego smh

crocodians depend on big game herd crossings every year

watch any docu, trust me

legit today, i heard someone on voice chat saying, thats it for me today - my adult deino died to two other adult deinos #feelsbadman cuz crocodians dont usually eat eachother unless they absolutely have to. "they help each other" cuz there are suppose to be many crocs to help thrash theyre prey when they death roll

[median karma]

@turbid mauve wtf are you talking about?

@turbid mauve it was a legit question mate sorry you feel that way I guess?

[icy lion]

sorry about class, to answer your question, no you cant grab a fully grown stego

[paper oriole]

I mean it's Class, this dude is on a constant drug trip or something

[icy lion]

a deino can grab anything that weighs less than half of what it does, so if youre fully grown, the max is 4 tons. an adult stego is 6

[median karma]

@icy lion yeah I wouldn’t of asked if I knew it’d upset people, and it was an honest question I really wanted to know. Sorry mate

[icy lion]

youre fine!

[median karma]

Cheers bud👍

[paper oriole]

It didn't upset anyone but Class and everything upsets Class

[barren zephyr]

what a trip

[median karma]

Oh ok thanks guys

[turbid mauve]

@icy lion Could you identify the "insult's'" meaning more than one that I've so said? So, that I may refrain from doing so in the future because I am having difficultly locating such remark's.' For all I know, I was just sharing my opinions and feelings regarding the subject matter. Just because your a moderator does not make you above anyone here, so, if you plan to execute my chat restriction, I'll speak dm a developer or senior administrator and have your privileges revoked.

[paper oriole]

Yes please dm a dev so you can get banned

[icy lion]

"stop tryna act smart me with "smart alec" i know wat u is doing, and it ain't gonna work." "if u want realism, ill give u realism 😏" <-whatever that means, alongside the constant derogatory/condescending remarks towards other server members and their intelligence.

[turbid mauve]

I will do so.

[median karma]

@turbid mauve just a sorry would of been fine mate 👍

All is forgiven guys let’s move on

[icy lion]

if you want to continue the conversation with me, dm me. if not, feel free to contact the senior admins if you'd like to

[turbid mauve]

I've dmed kissen once, she was nice enough to answer a question from me.

[barren zephyr]

this gives me the vibe of a dramatic anime plot

[barren zephyr]

It’s going to turn into the comment section of “Spectacular Finale Paper Mario Sticker Star Music Extended HD”

oh my god

that comment section is a goldmine

Yes, it’s a historical archive, that unfortunately has been removed from YouTube. I am just waiting for next book to be written, on some clueless random video, that has no idea what is in store for its comment section.

[icy lion]

@spark carbon in that channel. I'm not going to remove your post since the channel has a 6 hour slowmode, feel free to edit your comment instead

[barren zephyr]

Cool move👍

[urban flax]

Too bad they didn't edit their message tho

[spark carbon]

Ok thank you! :D

[paper oriole]

Terodons

[urban flax]

Teradons

[fossil canopy]

hey im having trouble connecting to the stress test servers any ideas?

[stone jewel]

like...they're full, or something else?

dont think this is the channel for that though

[fossil canopy]

not full just when i try to connect it just kicks me strait back to main menu

[stone jewel]

how do you know it isnt full?

[fossil canopy]

i refresh and the servers say they are not full plus it dose not tell me they are full

[stone jewel]

is it at like 99% capacity? when you refresh it only updates once, if it becomes full after you refreshed it wont tell you

[fossil canopy]

like 99/130 players

[stone jewel]

you're on the QA branch of the game?

[fossil canopy]

i think ya

[stone jewel]

right click the game, go to properties, check betas. make sure it's on quality assurance. envrima isnt enough

[fossil canopy]

ok thanks ya i was not on that

[stone jewel]

np happy to help

[keen vapor]

@dark hedge Weight doesnt = health in the new update. Pteranadons has around 250 health

[dark hedge]

Are these guys adding a map button

[unreal moat]

@cobalt kettle great suggestion

[cobalt kettle]

For what

[hybrid matrix]

sarcasm

[unreal moat]

[cobalt kettle]

sarcasm for what

[hybrid matrix]

[cobalt kettle]

i didnt even write anything

[sudden hinge]

@barren zephyr megalania should not have a grow time anywhere near 4 hours it’s the same size as cera

[barren zephyr]

i thinked about give it the same growth time than a cera should do, but like, 5 hours to grow a mega would be very much if you think about its size with a deino

but if you think isnt that much, i will edit it

[sudden hinge]

At most it should be 2 1/2 hours megalania is too small to warrant such a long grow time

[barren zephyr]

agreed, changed it

[devout sun]

Carno was about 3 Deino lengths from the shore. I lunged in order to get maximum speed coming out of the water, and then went straight into a sprint in order to cover that distance quickly. My suggestion isn't about how the carno was out of range, that doesn't matter. It's about how many bites it took that thing to die. It weighs literally an 6th of what I do, and has a little more than half the bite force. It's not a tiger compared to a crocodile, it's a gazelle compared to a crocodile. Your not "emulating" that a crocodile dies to things the same size as it that are super adapted to killing big things on land. Carno is 1: not nearly big enough, 2: it is literally made to kill low-tiers. That's it's thing. Carno should never kill Deino, anywhere. Land or no, Deino out of stam or no.

@barren zephyr Utah should never be able to kill Deino. Utah is made to operate as a group. That's why you don't bite fast, your supposed to take turns running in an out, overwhelming an opponent with numbers. Pounce is another way of doing that, but with higher DPS at a much higher stamina cost. Your solo Utah shouldn't be doing much damage. And when you run smack into that Deino's mouth, you should be dead, you fit in it's mouth. A biteforce buff to Deino will fix that issue. Utah biteforce buff accomplishes nothing but encourage solo Utah gameplay, which if we learned anything from legacy, is exactly what we want to avoid.

5 utahs killing a deino that's already injured? maybe

Deino might be really weak to group attacks, crocodiles IRL are

but I think with it's resistances and health, you would need to be playing very well as a utah group to win

since your not gonna bleed it

They did a good job reflecting group attacks on crocodiles and a Deino

alt bite is good for 1 target

but as soon as you use it your weak to attacks everywhere else

making a circle of enemies going in and out impossible to deal with

like IRL crocs, which are weak to group attacks

Oh yesterday part of my adult Deino experiences was a full grown Deino in a shallow part of the river teaming with a pair of stegos

I spawned in, walked into water, asked the guy "hey you want some help with those stegos?" and then got chomped

then I literally deleted the guy (I had 80% health he had around 20%)

he retreated to land and the stegos made a wall, so I swam away, then came back

tanked the stego hits I needed, finished that ape off and left

they body camped it for another 15 minutes, killing 8 babies who wanted a bite

Of course in retaliation I swallowed all 3 of their babies whole in front of them

they eventually left and it calmed down

but wth

[reef flax]

gotta love the silent deinos that eat babies without mercy knowing it wont give them anything.

[devout sun]

those stegos deserved it

I did it out of vengeance lmao

same with killing that other Deino

monsters stopped anyone from going in or out of the swamp

apparently they had been there for like half an hour too before I arrived

[devout sun]

Anyone feel free to explain a problem they have with my suggestion

I have a feeling some people will X it because "omg deino buff noooo"

[supple sapphire]

Can you put More AI food for Land Dinos....PLEASE... unless other player die there is no dam Food......

[glad dirge]

If you get caught on land you kinda deserve to be out of place an on the weak end

Even if you are an 8 ton croc

[devout sun]

that carno deserves to have some trouble for letting an 8 ton croc that literally cannot get quiter than a stomp no matter how slow it moves

and that just made hella splashing running out of the water

catch them

with a little more than 20% of their health missing

it's bull

[glad dirge]

You shouldnt be running out of water lol

[devout sun]

Nope

but whats the problem here

what problems does increasing biteforce cause

[glad dirge]

If you up the biteforce deinos aren't gonna be as restricted to water

[devout sun]

They are anyway

they got 10 seconds of chasing that's it

[hybrid matrix]

the problem isnt increasing the biteforce
the problem is that u want to make deino goood at fighting on land

[glad dirge]

^ that

[devout sun]

still not true, I want it to be punishing when something messes up

[hybrid matrix]

tyn why u squinting at my suggestion

[devout sun]

I didnt even see it yet

[glad dirge]

gallop sounds a bit weird

[hybrid matrix]

its not for adults
its for fresh spawn to 40% growth

[devout sun]

Thats smart actually

[glad dirge]

I'm convinced

[devout sun]

should help cannibalism of babus a lot

[hybrid matrix]

40% bc thats about the size of a real life croc

[devout sun]

It can't chase after you on land

you have to literally let it walk up to you

[hybrid matrix]

u havent seen me go at a sub stego have u

i ran down a sub stego and mauled it to death

[devout sun]

I've heard of sub stegos killing Deinos anyway

also tail hits my friend

I doubt you facetank a sub stego's tail even with that biteforce actually

since I think it's percent based

[hybrid matrix]

u can
except u dont bite the tail

[devout sun]

if it's running you don't have much of a choice.?

[hybrid matrix]

ur head is so big as a deino taht u bite the body

[devout sun]

it auto locks to tail

whats closest

thats why it took me 7 bites to kill a fresh spawn stego

as a full adult Deino

[hybrid matrix]

ok well i hit in the body a few times

[devout sun]

alrighty then

so sub stego is slower than Deino sprint

what changes with more biteforce?

[hybrid matrix]

faster mauling

[devout sun]

it dies slightly faster..?

yeah it dies anyway...

and thats the only exampleof something that CANT just see it coming and get outa there

you should be punished for such failed vigilance as to let something like a Deino get to your utah carno or teno unnoticed

[glad dirge]

Guh I'm sick of the buff deino posts

[carmine path]

@wicked pagoda you gotta remember our biteforce will go up as Midtiers and apexes come out, for now deinos are looking for balance against carnos and utahs not 1000 dmg like some absolute 😑 are doing

[hybrid matrix]

bro it SAW me come from the water
walk over to it, and then start sprinting at it

it was that slow that it couldnt get away

[devout sun]

then there seems to be a speed problem with sub stego

[carmine path]

Get used to it, it is unbalanced in terms of strength

[hybrid matrix]

actually its strength is fine

[carmine path]

Yes a carno doing more raw dmg is balanced

[hybrid matrix]

it just needs mechanics that help it keep the crown of king of the water

[devout sun]

Look, upping the biteforce does 2 bad things so far, it promotes land gameplay and kills sub stego slightly faster. Deino can't hunt on land

it just cant

it's so slow without stam and so little stam

[carmine path]

No one cares about land battles as deino

[devout sun]

if you get hunted by a Deino, that's slower, bigger, louder, and always comes from the direction of the water

[wicked pagoda]

how deinos are apexes and 2 times bigger than carnos, they should do way more

[devout sun]

you deserve to get hit with 750 biteforce

[carmine path]

Bruh im being sarcastic

[devout sun]

which isn't enough to 2 shot carno or teno ANYWAY

whats the big problem?

[wicked pagoda]

you cant hear sarcasm in messages mb

[hybrid matrix]

dude
a fully grown deino has a biteforce of 500 Newtons and weighs 8 tons
a fully grown carno has a biteforce of 350 Newtons and weighs about 2 1/2 tons

in what universe does a carno do more raw dmg than a deino

[devout sun]

why does a low tier hunter have more than half the biteforce of a 40 foot prehistoric murder log that hunts things bigger than a carno

[wicked pagoda]

a flawed one

[carmine path]

They have a stronger dmg output against stegos tested it on stress test servers my guy, carnos kills stego faster than deino in terms of bites

[devout sun]

Upping biteforce doesn't change any matchups Derptah

it just makes it less forgiving when that stupid carno wants to 1v1 your Deino

[hybrid matrix]

lemme guess
bc the carno is faster and more agile it has an easier time HITTING THE HEAD than a deino does

[devout sun]

literally EVERY carno I fail to jump out on

turns around

3 calls

[hybrid matrix]

alright ima let u in on a little secret that should help keep carnos at bay

[devout sun]

and goes to 1v1

the fact that that happens is a problem

[carmine path]

No cause of the amount of bites it takes to kill a stego?

Carno takes less than deino

[hybrid matrix]

locational damage is a thing
ur most likely hitting the stego's head more often bc u can get in and out in a second
deino cant do that

[devout sun]

Guys killing a stego with headshots means nothing with Deino!

It's never gonna happen o.O

legit, changing biteforce does nothing as long as it doesnt like

1 shot teno or carno

[carmine path]

This was a test of my own devices meaning I held it with friends

[manic ibex]

it's about DPS. Carno bites way faster than deino

[carmine path]

I have absolutely no idea what your talking about

[devout sun]

alt bite sadly

bites around the same speed as carno

which might be an issue on it's own idk

[hybrid matrix]

hey while ur here whyd u x my suggestion

[manic ibex]

I didn't

[devout sun]

The Great Lord Derptah did

[hybrid matrix]

oh wait that was someone else srry

[devout sun]

xD

[swift dew]

i thought it was in terms of tail slaps. thanks for the clarifcation

[glad dirge]

As long as the gallop doesn't look like PoT sarco flop

[wicked pagoda]

deino should have a tail slap

XD

[devout sun]

Yah

[hybrid matrix]

oh yeah no i want something like the video in the nat geo article

[devout sun]

Yeah!

good stuff

[manic ibex]

I'm all for making any juvies better

[devout sun]

juvies dontneed to be stronger

they need more gimmicks

juvie shouldnt just be a weaker adult

[carmine path]

Some people aren’t getting it apparently so don’t be so rude when you are clueless yourself

[devout sun]

thats so not fun

like juvie deino gallop, that's fun

maybe make it tend toward land a little more

as you get too big to keep moving well

you retreat to the water

that's good gameplay at all stages

thats what we need for every dino

[hybrid matrix]

no i just meant giving it an edge when its on land so that it can escape
not so that it can survive on land without needing to go to water

[devout sun]

COUGH stego until adult

anyone have an idea of how to make little stegos fair better?

[hybrid matrix]

dont need it

[devout sun]

they really don't have much going for them except having the strongest land animal in the game protecting them

[wicked pagoda]

have them stop spam calling, they'll live longer

[hybrid matrix]

theyre so tanky that they can survive basically anything

[devout sun]

probably specter

lmao

[wicked pagoda]

XD

[devout sun]

actually when I went back to chomp those stego's babies

[cyan flame]

Yeah, baby stego is fine, boring, but fine.

[devout sun]

I didnt plan on doing it

[cyan flame]

It's apparently too powerful if anything :p

[devout sun]

I was swimming away proud of my Deino kill when one yelled

and I'm like

[hybrid matrix]

erik wut r ur thoughts on my suggestion

[devout sun]

"hmmm, yeah that would be funny!"

so I ate all their children

[wicked pagoda]

xD

[devout sun]

whole

in front of them

God I love killing little stegos as a Deino

knowing the dicks they gonna turn into

destroy them while I can basically

[wicked pagoda]

XD

same for all dinos though

especially utahs

[hybrid matrix]

viper
u should wait till theyre subs
then u can get more food out of it

[devout sun]

maybe

[wicked pagoda]

that takes too long

[devout sun]

not worth it when they have to adults tho

[cyan flame]

I don't see an issue with making small deinos faster, they do need a way to escape. The all time on sonar is too good in any case. And there's a few other things that needs done, such as foliage in water to hide in and all that.

[devout sun]

then I can't chomp it up and get outa there

[devout sun]

stop moving if you think there's a deino nearby

but yeah the range as an adult

when you hold Q

[hybrid matrix]

@lofty pagoda care to share why u dont like my suggestion? i'd like to kno how i could improve it

[devout sun]

holy mother of god I can see anything that happens in the entire swamp

it's really powerful and could do with a nerf

[wicked pagoda]

by the time you realize, they have already seen your sonar

[devout sun]

yeah

I like the tactical uses for it though

[glad dirge]

And with the crap riverbed there's nowhere to really hide

[wicked pagoda]

so you just gotta hope they wont kill you

[devout sun]

when I hear a deino coming

I hit the bottom of the water and sense it

so I know when it's coming for me

or I do that when I see another deino in chat appear

and I dont know how big

I wait and find out

[wicked pagoda]

i just keep swimming cuz theres no escape

[devout sun]

Also derptah about the sub stego being mauled faster with higher biteforce

[glad dirge]

Big deinos should give off more little sonar things so we can tell the size of them

[devout sun]

it's no different than smaller versions of every species

the fact that it can't run means nothing, little deinos cant run

little carnos can't run

little utahs can't run (I think they can actually)

[glad dirge]

They can

[hybrid matrix]

actually carnos are the fastest fresh spawns

[glad dirge]

Sortve

Yeah

[devout sun]

Faster than adult carno tho?

[barren zephyr]

nothing is faster than carno currently-adult wise

[glad dirge]

[devout sun]

my answer is about as good as people saying "just retreat to water" when I talk about how stegos camp the shallow river

[hybrid matrix]

no but theyre fast enough to outrun mostly anything that attacks them, and theyre small enough to then hide from it

[devout sun]

if your a sub stego

just dont get found

stay low

you know you cant run from jack

[hybrid matrix]

since ur here, whyd u x my suggestion?

pigeon?

[glad dirge]

I hope deino gets a better turn

[barren zephyr]

well

[glad dirge]

So the tail doesn't flap back and forth

[barren zephyr]

I’m going to try and be fair about this

I do agree that babies should be faster than the adults in a way to escape, the weight difference would make gradual sense. but galloping seems off for a crocodilian even though some are known to gallop in real life.

For instance the Cuban crocodile has known to gallop in short distances but that’s pretty much the only crocodilian that does that regularly. as we know deinosuchus portrays an alligator which aren’t known to really gallop and aren’t as energetic as crocodiles.

Personally, I don’t like the idea myself, but I can see why others may like it in a balancing sense. @hybrid matrix

[hybrid matrix]

kinda forgot our deino is an alligator

[barren zephyr]

it’s fine though, in a balancing sense it fits

[brittle ivy]

@cerulean marten If the compass isn’t showing when you’re sniffing for long enough, please submit a bug report with evidence (report form link is found in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 ). The compass will show after sniffing key (default Q) has been held for a period of time.

[devout sun]

I think the compass shows up basically instantly actually

scent particles start coming about 5 seconds later

unless that's also a bug

I think it should be a feature if it's a bug though

I like being able to see where I'm going without my screen going rainbow for 15 seconds

[brittle ivy]

It’s more concerning if the compass isn’t appearing for them at all

[split jay]

TIL compass is still a thing. Been playing for days, multiple dino species, never saw it once. I assumed it was gone. Might be that the required press time is too long? Will test it sometime. I usually immediately let go of Scent the moment that the UI graphics pop up at the top, and just navigated from the up/down peaks alone.

[ruby fern]

For me the compass is shown after sniffing but with deino only above water and not underwater. Dont know if this is intended

[spiral ravine]

it is, holding q underwater improves your water sende temporarily

[still raptor]

It is

[spiral ravine]

water sense

[glad dirge]

Deinos are cannibals and so even if some sort of albino mechanic was added deinos wouldn't be affected

[still raptor]

Albinism was going to be for cannibals but it got scrapped

[glad dirge]

Itll prob be more of a diets thing

[manic ibex]

Going albino is not going to stop people to kill and eat their own species. If anything, they are proud to be called cannibals and would also be proud to be albino.

[spiral ravine]

yep, y'all dino stoners love to be albino

[manic ibex]

And even if being a cannibal would slow your growth, debuff you in any way or anything bad, that would not stop being killed by your own species. If anyone had to choose between starvation or a debuff, they would choose the debuff

[mighty crater]

how does mud work in being tracked down?

[spiral ravine]

if you wallow you don't leave footprints for a while

[hot spear]

You also dont leave a blood trail for a while (you'll leave blood again if you're bitten with mud on)
but mud washes off if you go in water

[mighty crater]

Is red scent another animal?

[hybrid matrix]

blood

[hot spear]

blood and bodies are red

[agile topaz]

That's all I get compass wise too, but the peak up is north and down is south so I just used that

[safe galleon]

@marsh token right click, you can only pounce as adult

[stuck olive]

Can someone help me im in a Legacy server and my controls are not working

[glad dirge]

legacy

[manic ibex]

Legacy is not perfect and need to go, but tbh it is more fun than evrima in some aspects

[glad dirge]

Very true

I do prefer the more open movement in evrima though

less locked

especially with turning and such

[mighty crater]

Does autoshow chat not work?

someone in group does the chat sound and it doesnt pop up

[glad dirge]

I thought the only thing toggleable was autohide

[mighty crater]

It was this setting

[glad dirge]

oh

hm

Yeah not sure, did you check to see if they actually said anything? Some people just, F call sometimes

[barren zephyr]

@odd sedge what do you think of Monke playing the Oxpecker roll? possibly just as AI tho, since it is so tiny.

This Monke, the Monkeydactyl whom I've mention on several occasions.

[somber tree]

I know you aren’t asking me but I like it lol @barren zephyr

[barren zephyr]

Thanks! I think it could be a great addition to the Isle. The only big issue is size...

[somber tree]

Yeah true, it could be good food for birds if it’s an AI

[barren zephyr]

For birds? Like if we see hawks or something?

[somber tree]

Well I meant the pteranodons and in the future they are adding quetzels

[odd sedge]

Generally speaking, I don't think the oxpecker role has to be necessarily filled by sordes.
I personally don't know a lot about Monkeydactyl, but as long as it's a small, flying creature like sordes, which eats insects and meat scrubs, it should work just as well

[barren zephyr]

Oh ok, the main reason I've been trying to bring Monke to attention is that some kind of small flyer is already confirmed, so I wanna see what people think of it.

[somber tree]

I think the small flying will probably be the dimorphidon

But who knows

[barren zephyr]

Do you have anything in mind?

[paper oriole]

Monkeydactyl wouldn’t be worth hunting to quetz or adult pteramodons, probably not juvies either

[barren zephyr]

Yea.

[somber tree]

Either that or monke

Or both someday

[barren zephyr]

I know Miragaia, just trying to work out the size issue. If i'm able to find a solution I'll get back to you, otherwise a different flyer is best.

[paper oriole]

Dimorphodon is more sizeable than monke

[odd sedge]

Well I have used Sordes in my suggestion but for me personally, it was more of an idea for the role and not the creature specifically. It can be replaced in my eyes, as long as the functions stay the same

[barren zephyr]

And by quite a bit.

[paper oriole]

They could just say fuckit and give dimorphodon broken wrists like they did for utah

[somber tree]

@paper oriole Yeah true lol

[paper oriole]

Call it morphmonkey

Lmao

[somber tree]

Beautiful

[barren zephyr]

Ok that makes sense. I'm not sure what it's called but this could be a Oxpecker like creature I think, probably strictly AI though.

[paper oriole]

Anuro?

He's literally the size of a mouse, right?

[barren zephyr]

Monkemorph, just so we can keep Monke as the nickname

[paper oriole]

Anurognathus

[barren zephyr]

Wait, what's his full name?

[paper oriole]

Rat

[barren zephyr]

Yea, that's why I said it'd make better AI.

[odd sedge]

It's nifty but it's too small to be a playable. And I kinda wanted the oxpecker to be playable because it seemed fun

[paper oriole]

You could fit this man on a burger bun

[mighty crater]

Do flyers have any danger?

[odd sedge]

Though Sordes isn't much bigger either....

[barren zephyr]

Ok, Eudimorphodon? Although if we're doing something that size mine as well go with Monke.

[paper oriole]

Yeah other flyers and their stam not allowing them to soar in the clouds all day

Oh god prehistoric wildlife

https://www.pteros.com

This site has good sizes for pterosaurs

[odd sedge]

That could work for me

[paper oriole]

Though it doesnt have all of them, better than prehistoric wildlife

[somber tree]

Yeah

[barren zephyr]

That's really cool thanks! I'll have to check it out later.

[barren zephyr]

I still prefer Monke... but Eudi would diffidently be my second option.

[somber tree]

The luchibang kind of looks like the quetzel

[paper oriole]

Luchibang has chad name

[barren zephyr]

Probably in the same family.

[somber tree]

Yeah probably

[paper oriole]

Quetz is an azhdarchid, dont think luchi is

[somber tree]

He’s a chad flyer

[barren zephyr]

[somber tree]

That is on strange word haha

What do you guys think of the 1 call chat suggestion?

[barren zephyr]

What exactly was it again?

[mighty crater]

Is it intended some juvies cant get out of a river without using shift?

[paper oriole]

1 call larger area species chat sounds fine

Would give people more reason to broadcast if they wanted to risk it i suppose

[somber tree]

I posted it in the general feedback @barren zephyr basically you can chat to a larger area but your Dino 1 calls when you do it

And any Dino the same species as you and in 1 call range can see what you said and respond the same way

Kind of like a new global but mute restricted

[barren zephyr]

O that one! Yea that sounds really cool to me.

[somber tree]

YeG that’s what I thought too, was playing last night and randomly thought of it lol

It would be balanced too

[mighty crater]

Or I guess lots of medium to smaller dinos cant climb out of the river

[somber tree]

Yeah the river bug is annoying where you can’t get t out @mighty crater

[barren zephyr]

@somber tree yep that sounds noice.

[somber tree]

@barren zephyr Thanks, the reception from people has been positive all around so I hope the devs see it

I don’t see any down sides, it can also help if you are with someone and you get separated so you can use the broadcast chat

[barren zephyr]

👍 Same. I figure there's a lot of relativity unseen great ideas so I hope you get noticed.

[somber tree]

@barren zephyr Thanks!

@barren zephyr Wrong chat for that, you hold right click when you’re an adult raptor

[barren zephyr]

ty

[somber tree]

Np

[barren zephyr]

No problem

[hybrid matrix]

@rugged plume i said why in my suggestion

[rugged plume]

Still think is a little unnecessary

[hybrid matrix]

why?

[rugged plume]

I would feel like adding more stuff to the rivers like weeds and what not for little deinos to hide in instead of a bare Basen river bed would be a better alternative then seeing a baby deino outrunning an adult on land

[devout sun]

Wouldn't it be weirder for an 8 ton Deino to have faster movement than one that weighs as much as a person?

[rugged plume]

Hmmm the more I think about it yeah i would have to agree with that

[civic sparrow]

Give babies a ton more stam when

[glad dirge]

*faster stam regen when

[tawny juniper]

Do you know how small an oxpecker is

[odd sedge]

Why yes, I do know that, but I am not talking about an actual bird in this context

[mighty crater]

can you group with different herb species?

[icy lion]

no

[barren zephyr]

Anyone else accidentally enter something way to early on #general-feedback and then have to wait 6 FRICKING HOURS to put anything else?

[spring shuttle]

@barren zephyr Just happened to me lol

Anyone else getting a lot of desync today on the QA servers?

[white rune]

I meant less than 75% Stegos and even younger ones.

[white rune]

Never talked about Sub Stego. Less than 75% Stego are just too strong that's all, it needs to be toned down a lot.

It doesn't requiere a lot of hits to kill Carno and even Utah as a less 25% Stego and it is just looking odd.

Also as much as I like Kunpengopterus, it is just too fucking small to be a playable.

I love the animal, but it isn't worth to add it into The Isle. Rhamphorhynchus would be a better choice as it could do the same thing, better and bigger. Also being a worth prey for some animals like Herrerasaurus.

Same goes for Tupandactylus/Thalassodromeus being omnivore flyer eating fruits, nuts, seashells and able to hang in trees in a bat style with some fictionalization. Also those are as big as Pteranodon so it is fine.

[mighty crater]

the small stego kills with bites or a tail hit?

[white rune]

Tail hit

like

those small babies

kill

Utahs

and Carnos if the Carno is retarded

Personnal flyer roster :
Rhamphorhynchus :

Able to climb trees
Can clean parasites from skins
Eats bugs and fish
Low altitude flyer

__Tupandactylus/Thalassodromeus __

Eats seashells, nuts, fruits
Able to hang on trees in a bat style
Prey item for Herrerasaurus and young Megalania
Medium altitude flyer

Pteranodon :

Scavenger
Great scrent
Fisher
Medium altitude flyer

Hatzgopteryx/Quetzalcoatlus :

Large
Able to pick up small/young animals
Fastest flyer (also on land)
Carnivore diet

[barren zephyr]

I disagree

[white rune]

Why should a baby Stego be able to survive in other ways than hiding ?

[barren zephyr]

because thats shit gameplay

[white rune]

You're a shit animal when you're young

deserve to survive

[barren zephyr]

I feel like big dinos like stego/rex should have their “tier” change as they grow

[white rune]

play with your eyes, ears and brain

I agree

Like Rex will surely have a very varied gameplay while growth

[barren zephyr]

like a juvie rex (25-50%) should be a pseudo mid tier in strength (basically a slower utah early on but turns into a cerato without being a good scavenger in late stages)

same goes for stego

[white rune]

and must be the most interesting animal to play as.

Juvie Rex is

speed monster

[barren zephyr]

a juvie stego should lowkey be dangerous prey for carno

[white rune]

Do you realise how ridiculous it is, don't you ?

[barren zephyr]

that thagomizer at that point could 100% do decent damage

[white rune]

The round baby's ?

The round thagomizers of the baby ?

Have you seen them ?

That's as ridiculous as Dryo pick.

A 40% Stego could defend itself decently like a Kentrosaurus

that's I'm okay for that

but a less 30% ?

Even a 20% ?

[barren zephyr]

unless Im remembering wrong juvie stego has decent thagomizers

also I mean 25-50 anything less is baby stage

and only a 40% stego should be able to fend off carno

[white rune]

I can understand for adolescent and subadult

yeah

that I'm right with

but the 300kg baby Stego should just be trampled by Carno

[barren zephyr]

agreed

juvie stegosaurus should function as a worse kentro

honestly