general-feedback-discussion

[tawny juniper]

Bc you're literally cutting into the animal

[manic flint]

Pachy should definitely have a high fracture charge attack similar to carnos

[lethal silo]

thats an interesting point. i could see something like pounces that pin doing raw damage at the cost of the pinned dinosaur being able to fight back, and pounces that latch only do bleed because the target is too big for raw

[barren zephyr]

......... what if the pachy just stands it's ground instead of running after it?

[dry osprey]

Then its a smart patchy

[tawny juniper]

^

[lethal silo]

id imagine in a scenario where a pachy gets jumped first itll hold its ground or run off if the utah disengages

[frank quest]

That’s why it’s 50/50

[barren zephyr]

Why are you basing balance off of a bad pachy vs a good utah?

Just assume that both players are the same skill

[frank quest]

No Utah needs to be “good” to land a pounce and run away

[tawny juniper]

The point of pachy is not to chase after what's trying to kill it, That's not really the point of any prey. It's to be able to escape from or put distance between it and its predator.

[barren zephyr]

theres no point in "if one of them is bad.." discussions

[tawny juniper]

If you are in a life or death situation and get away

You don't go chasing after the predator

[dry osprey]

Patchy should be able to interupt a pounce with a headbutt

[lethal silo]

oh my god yes please

[tawny juniper]

You should be unable to pounce pachy from the front

[frank quest]

Also going off what carter said, if a pachy gets pounced it’s going to realize how low it is and turn tail

[dry osprey]

You go to pounce patchy from the front and the patchy fkn yeets

[barren zephyr]

So herbvories can't be fighters?

[tawny juniper]

It can fight

[barren zephyr]

But you just said prey aren't supposed to fight

[tawny juniper]

But why run after what tried to kill you

[barren zephyr]

To kill it

[tawny juniper]

There's a difference between offense and defense

[frank quest]

Lmao attacks on pachy head would just bounce off like monster hunter, put you in stun too cause fuck it

[tawny juniper]

Herbis should not be on offense

[icy lion]

you can be a fighter without chasing your predators

[lethal silo]

herbivores arent supposed to run down other animals to try to murder them 24/7

[paper oriole]

to make sure it cant try to kill you again

[dry osprey]

Actually lmao a stun would be perfect

[barren zephyr]

why?

[frank quest]

But this is the isle :/

[dry osprey]

That would really punish dumb urahs who see it as a free pounce

[paper oriole]

if you beat up a utah and fracture its leg are you supposed to just leave because you won? finish the job

[dry osprey]

Utahs*

[lethal silo]

well if the utah cant run you arent running after it are you

[paper oriole]

yes so it cant come back later without regrowing

removing a threat

[barren zephyr]

If pachy isnt able to track down utahs and kill them then whats the point of adding it

[lethal silo]

😂 😂 😂

[tawny juniper]

By that I mean for the most part- And because if you just won a life or death situation, What's the use in trying to reingage, if you can escape with your life be happy with that and get out

[barren zephyr]

just removes all the persontiily out of pachy

[paper oriole]

herbis obviously shouldnt be able to track like carnis, but they shouldnt be pacifists and purely defensive always either

[lethal silo]

i literally cant tell if ur serious or not

[tawny juniper]

If a herbi isn't able to track down predators and kill them what's the point of adding it?

Wdym

[dry osprey]

Patchies are the least pacifist of any dino

[paper oriole]

if they have a chance to remove a threat they should be able to do it

[frank quest]

There’s this thing called adrenaline- and when you break your bone you don’t realize it till later- so you have a chance to run away before something like that starts affecting you

A pachy isn’t gonna mangle a Utah with one hit, but it could fracture your bone in 2 places yeah

[dry osprey]

Nah Im all for punishing a utah who sees something small as an easy meal when its build like a honey badger

[swift dew]

if your bone is in two parts your not running on it whether you feel it or not

[frank quest]

Well I mean Utah and pachy are like the same size so you should go in knowing it’s gonna be difficult

[paper oriole]

so should we add adrenaline mechanic to make bb useless in a fight

[barren zephyr]

Pachy and utah shouldnt have a 50/50 because utah is faster and pachy is more bulky, seems simple to me.

That's how it worked in legacy (before they buffed utah)

[dry osprey]

Patchy isnt utah fast but its fast. Even if the adrenaline lasts for 30 seconds patchy is still going to run it down

[paper oriole]

pachy should be able to break utah's ribs and destroy its stam as well as break its legs

[barren zephyr]

[tawny juniper]

For sure.

[paper oriole]

no more bloodbag pachy

[swift dew]

i mean, you can't really give odds to two of the most skill based animals in the game

[tawny juniper]

A smart pachy should win encounters with utah most of the time

[frank quest]

This is really for small animals only- seeing as putting weight on something like that for a few minutes wouldnt make it worse- besides getting hit by a herb once isn’t a reason to have you die, just a reason to hurt you and cause a retreat- herbs shouldn’t be focused on killing the carnivore- but escaping it or warding it off

[tawny juniper]

"herbs shouldn’t be focused on killing the carnivore- but escaping it or warding it off" I agree with this

[paper oriole]

herbs should be focused on killing something that is likely to be a continuous threat

[barren zephyr]

So herbivores shouldnt be able to kill things that are trying to kill them?

[dry osprey]

I feel like its fair though, since utahs have a bigger advantage in this. They can jump over a charging patchy with ease

[barren zephyr]

explain more please?

[paper oriole]

if it attacks you and will probably come back after recovering, kill it and get it over with

[frank quest]

I don’t want to lose my Utah because I got hit by a buggy hitbox or messing up once, I do want to learn a lesson from it tho

[barren zephyr]

yep, makes no sense that pachy shouldnt have the advantage in the fight

[barren zephyr]

get good and dont mess up

[paper oriole]

if you approach something slower than you, you can't complain about losing a fight because of one mistake

you had full choice to start that fight

[frank quest]

You keep basing this off of old bone break- a fractured leg is gonna take 20-30 minutes to fully heal

[dry osprey]

Thats how utah vs stego is for the most part.

[frank quest]

Your not gonna come back 5 minutes later

[barren zephyr]

"Oh my god, I hunted this guy that has a 9 inch thick skull that can crush my bones and I died!"

[paper oriole]

i'm not basing this off of old bone break lol, fractures can also start miniscule

who knows just how much pachy will fracture

[dry osprey]

A lot I hope. I hope patchy is a small and mostly mid-tier ankle breaker

Obviously not all mid tiers

[frank quest]

that doesn’t mean “yeah kill the Utah because I’m totally not a dinosaur with the brain of one, I like death so let’s ignore instinct”

[paper oriole]

if i have a chance to finish off the annoying urethraraptor that attacked me i will do it

we shouldnt be discouraged from eliminating threats

[barren zephyr]

huh

Aren't humans controlling the dinosaurs?

[paper oriole]

this isnt some realism rp

[dry osprey]

Idk man I’m three gnomes in a trench coat and I play all the time soooo

[paper oriole]

go play on one of those servers where it's a rule to run away pissing yourself from something you can fight when those slither on to evrima, don't ruin the game for everyone

[frank quest]

It’s not an annoying Utah, it’s a predator trying to kill you- not you trying to kill it, so giving the Utah a way to escape to countetract the fact that herb players are virgins is an absolute win

[paper oriole]

herbis shouldnt be discouraged from eliminating threats unless they are purely flight animals

[dry osprey]

When Rhinos wake up they choose violence

Its not ignoring instinct

[paper oriole]

herbis will go out of their way to kos in nature too

[dry osprey]

Some herbivores just choose death

[frank quest]

But rhinos don’t have anything to fear- it’s also because they’re mentally impaired and need glasses

[paper oriole]

even deer will look at a dog and think "i don't like the way you lookin at me" and try to stamp it, i've seen it myself

[dry osprey]

Sounds perfect for patchy

Patchy is thick headed

[frank quest]

A pachy needs to fear a Utah because it’s just as capable as killing it as it’s capable of the same

[vestal rune]

I've seen elephants destroy bisons for no reason, there's no reason we should punish herbis killing carnis

[paper oriole]

ok so if it fears it, it should want to take the opportunity to get rid of it when it's vulnerable

aka kill it

[dry osprey]

Honey badgers are small but they dont really care when faced off things bigger than it that can kill it

Elk will stand off against wolves

[paper oriole]

there's buffalo going out of their way to kos lions or their cubs when they see the chance too

[frank quest]

Yes I am very aware that the herbivore playerbase consists of complete monkey brains, and that’s why a Utah should be able to run away before the adrenaline fades

[barren zephyr]

[dry osprey]

Blue jays are known to attack hawks if the hawk is too close to their nest

[paper oriole]

herbis shouldnt just be purely defensive, they shouldn't be discouraged from increasing their future chances of survival by offing a vulnerable predator

also fuck adrenaline, fracture is there for a reason and shouldnt be rendered useless in combat like that

[dry osprey]

Creatures face off against things that can kill them all the tome

Time* and dont really fear it

[vestal rune]

wait wtf? he wants to make carnis invalidate some of the herbi's only survival mechanism?

[paper oriole]

yep

he also wants herbis to just walk away and spare the lives of beaten predators that chose to attack them instead of eliminating the threat

[vestal rune]

why would they ever do that

[frank quest]

That would be more effective against larger things yeah- but something like a Utah is also very nimble and well- if it’s hit once it dies, a stego did headshot dmg to my tail as a carno, and I wasn’t even near its tail- the game is fucked sometimes and I don’t want to lose hours of progress because of it

[vestal rune]

if they got hit it's their fault and they have to accept their deaths

[paper oriole]

sure beats me 🤷‍♀️

[vestal rune]

yes game's desync is bad, but that's a desync issue and not a herbi issue

[frank quest]

Also not a carni iussue?

[vestal rune]

it's just a desync issue is what I'm saying

[wet matrix]

For some reason I can’t change my textures from epic to low does anyone know how to fix it ?

[vestal rune]

they'll fix it eventually and it won't be an issue

[icy lion]

its a bug, currently

[frank quest]

This is also the person who says that a Utah digging 2 claws the size of a pachy dick into its spine wouldn’t kill it so I guess were even in invalidating mechanics

[paper oriole]

???

putting words into peoples' mouths ok

nice

[dry osprey]

Patchy needs to be careful here too. Utahs can jump and get behind it to pounce before it turns in spot.

[frank quest]

Wait you weren’t here earlier talking about utah vs pachy

[paper oriole]

nope

[frank quest]

Oh that was the diodude guy

Whoops

[vestal rune]

oh ye that guy's an idiot lmao(no offence dio you're great)

[paper oriole]

idk if dio was serious before when he said pachy should snap apex legs too but its also something he's said

[dry osprey]

Im all for making patchy merk a utah, but a utah should be able to merk a patchy

[paper oriole]

he can bring up decent points but just take what he says with a grain of salt

[vestal rune]

but ye he wants pachy's to kill camaras, clearly not the best guy to go to for realistic mechanics lmao

[frank quest]

But it’s not like I’m trying to invalidate herbs against carnis hell I think trike should one shot rex and stego to one shot anything in the head except for allo/cerato/ and apexes

[dry osprey]

So essentially he wants BoB patchy

[vestal rune]

ye pachy and utah should be a 50/50

should be really fun

[paper oriole]

cerato is tiny it should be oneshot with a head strike form a thag

a lot of people overestimate cera's size

[frank quest]

Oh yeah he thought pachy could fracture an allo leg despite not being adapted to fight anything except dromaeosaurs and other carnivores it’s size

[vestal rune]

I mean maybe pachy should fracture an allo leg? it'd be really high risk

[paper oriole]

pachy should be able to outrun allo it shouldnt fight it unless it's bored af and doesn't care about the consequences

[lethal silo]

i think pachy could fracture allo

[dry osprey]

I want this to be a dangerous encounter for both. Patchy should do devistating damage, but the pounce on such a small animal should do devastating bleed, so patchy needs to keep its whits about it to either knockback and stun the utah or start dodging or struggling

[lethal silo]

but i dont think its a good idea for pachy to run headfirst into allo 😂

[frank quest]

Well I’m going off the idea we have a bulky scavenger dude who is resilient as fuck and can recover from most injuries

[paper oriole]

it pachy continuously hits the shin of an idiot allo sure it can fracture it

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr your Titanoboa suggestion is amazing and I hope the devs get a look at it.

[lethal silo]

pachy v allo should be cripple and run

[dry osprey]

Patchy vs allo should just be run, given patchy should be decently faster. Crippling should be for a ballsy patchy

[frank quest]

How do you cripple one with arms half your body length, they can just grab your head and smash you into the ground while they eat your ass

[barren zephyr]

Wait what is Pachyrhinosaurus's unofficial nickname?

[dry osprey]

Repeatedly hit them in the shins

[frank quest]

Uh- pachy

It’s p easy to tell which one people are talking about

Or maybe it’s patchi

[dry osprey]

I say patchy

[paper oriole]

funny how both pachies are bone breakers

[barren zephyr]

I mean they'll both utilize fractures so...

[frank quest]

It’s just a worse styraco so idc

[paper oriole]

??? it has a totally different fight style though

[frank quest]

Why impale things when you can just ram them, now they can live longer

[dry osprey]

Its like saying Kento and stego will be the same

[paper oriole]

how can it be compared to styraco when sty is a bleeder and pachy is a CC/BB utilizer (ideally)

[frank quest]

Epic plan mister ceratopsian

[barren zephyr]

I mean I wouldn't say that, but they are very similar builds

[frank quest]

Well no cause those are two completely different animals with completely different predators, styrac and pachy are the same size, hunted by the same things, but one of them does things better- in the form of shish kababs and not blunt force trauma

And shish kababs tend to kill faster aka worse styrac

[paper oriole]

difference being sty would probably have a worse time escaping from bad situations than pachy

[dry osprey]

I feel like blunt force trauma is a pretty good way to handle things

[frank quest]

Eh- pachy is just like how charchar is to giga, likely just a dlc reskin with different stats

[dry osprey]

Especially if it means crippling things bigger than yourself to get away

[paper oriole]

except it isn't?

[frank quest]

No need to cripple when your nose is a sword

[paper oriole]

carchar would literally just be a reskin giga, uses the same combat style and everything

[dry osprey]

I mean if you poke a cerato its still gonna come for your tose

Toes*

If you break its legs its not coming for anyones toes

[barren zephyr]

Ima just call Pachyrhinosaurus Rhino.

[paper oriole]

also depends if the devs are ballsy enough to make styraco's sword face actually deal lethal damage on hits or just makes it impale you for 15% of your health

[dry osprey]

Theyll think your talking about anky Cera

[frank quest]

Poke more like impale, can’t reach the toes if your reenacting dinosaur revolutions T. rex death scene

Yeah we don’t call that thing anky anymore- not deserving of the name

[dry osprey]

Granted, Sty should be slower than a patchy for being a walking offensive tank

[frank quest]

Fr tho I love the Head design I just wish the body fit with that, like you live in really deep jungles and the longer you stay there the more foliage builds up on your back so you can become a rock just by sitting down

Sort of a reward for playing your dino right

Like how deino could get moss/plant matter to cling on it when it’s not sprint swimming in the swamp- so living a leisurely life in your habitat ends up helping you ambush your prey better

[barren zephyr]

In a ideal world, there would be a way to tell if players actually played the game and the ones that just AFKed and have bad stats

Like a AFKED carno wouldnt have mature horns

AFK styraco would barely have any side horns

[paper oriole]

afk grower rexes should have their growth and stats stunted and be species changed to tarbosaurus

[frank quest]

LMAO

[barren zephyr]

this but unironically

[barren zephyr]

[paper oriole]

yes i unironically want this, sadly it is a hopeless dream

[frank quest]

every time you try and intimidate something a laugh track plays because your species is irrelevant

[barren zephyr]

AFKed allo shouldnt have arms

or at least very wimpy ones

Pretty sure deino is "nerfed" rn to fit the current roster, it's going to be much stronger once bigger dinos roll out

[paper oriole]

afk allo can be downsized to europaeus size

[barren zephyr]

Not 100% sure though

[dry osprey]

Afk raptor becomes a velo

[frank quest]

This is a good idea though, but reversed- animals with keratinous horn/spike sheaths would develop caps on the tips because of overgrowth- so a carnos horns would become blunt and eventually smooth and round at the tips, so If you don’t rub your horns against things to shave them down they become hardened and you would have to spend longer grinding your horns to shave them back again

[paper oriole]

afk utah can be deinonychus with a skin disease

[dry osprey]

Absolutely

[paper oriole]

no matter what skin they chose for their novaraptor reject, if they afk grow it, it will be a naked deinonychus with roast turkey skin

[barren zephyr]

Perfect, I wish stuff like this would be added in like a extra content update/optimization

Just QoL things that make the game more immersive and fun

[frank quest]

Not even like immersive and fun- but just to give the game an actual gameplay loop, so you have stuff to do when your full and don’t need to hunt

Because fr if I’m not hunting I’m looking for the next thing I’m going to hunt- boring asf when your sitting around doing nothing

[barren zephyr]

yep, foraging would be neat

[frank quest]

One of the main reason people kos, from what they’ve told me

Because nothing else to do really

[barren zephyr]

Seasons + foraging will make this game amazing

[frank quest]

Well not really seasons cause that wouldn’t make any sense whatsoever- and foraging would have to be handeled carefully

[barren zephyr]

@stray wind

I'm wondering why this hasn't been added yet, current fall animations are ugly

[frank quest]

First your on a tropical island- seasons don’t exist there, and foraging we don’t want some boring quest shit like pot has- because that got old really fast

[paper oriole]

wet and dry season

[frank quest]

Oh yeah- would be cool to watch stuff dry up, good way to keep people moving

[barren zephyr]

Monsoon Jungle

[swift dew]

@hasty radish i like most of those suggestions, but locational damage is already a thing

[icy lion]

@tranquil frost deino does refill water while underwater, but its very slow

[hybrid matrix]

tbh i thought he meant drinking underwater

[hasty radish]

@swift dew on the path of titans game they do

[tranquil frost]

I didn't even notice it, mine seems to drop underwater

[stray wind]

Well.. there's no falling animations yet (?) or are there ?

[wintry monolith]

@hasty radish regonail dmg is allready a thing in evrima other whise good sugestion

[hasty radish]

but I know that performance is the main concern of the devs at the moment

[wintry monolith]

yeah but im sure the devs have a plan for what to do after all the major niches are filled and all the big mechanichs are done and a part of that plan takes shaped from sugestions in the feedback channels

[hasty radish]

yerh

[past saffron]

thanks hehe 🙂 I like the small things

[floral saffron]

hey anyone know what rilddlix was talking abt in general?

[paper oriole]

I think he's saying carnis get thirsty too fast but it's fine that herbis are like that? Idk, is there actually a difference between the two factions' thirst drain and not dino specific? Wouldn't think so

So he's either saying carni thirst drain is currently worse than herbis or only carnis should be able to be away from water for extended time

[floral saffron]

i dont think so, im pretty sure stat drain is always specific to species not.. genre?

[paper oriole]

Yeah i always thought it's species specific

[floral saffron]

alright just checking i wasn't missing something lmao

[paper oriole]

If he thinks carnis should be allowed to go without water longer than herbis for some reason then that's kinda dumb but it's honestly hard to decipher what he's getting at exactly lol

[barren zephyr]

What exactly would Plateo do? How would it be viable? Sorry I hardly know anything about it. 😅

[paper oriole]

Some people including me want it to be a semi aquatic coastal/mangrove dweller

Being able to escape predators it can't outrun in the water. Eating palm leaves, kelp, seagrass and other beach/mangrove flora

It has good claws for swiping at some predators too

[barren zephyr]

Hm, despite knowing nothing about it I had an idea that maybe it could live in an area that almost nothing else inhabits like a small Scrubland forest. Although your idea sounds much cooler.

[silver zephyr]

"it could live in an area that almost nothing else inhabits"

[barren zephyr]

@paper oriole So in your idea it would kinda like a smaller semi-aquatic Theri?

[paper oriole]

Not really, it isnt nearly as mean as theri

[barren zephyr]

I meant few large carnivores.

[paper oriole]

And the coast is vacant until you start to populate it. “Nothing lives there” is a stupid excuse honestly

Plateo and bary can definitely love there as a start at least

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/817285877242789888/Plateosaurus_02.png

I dont remember who made this pic but it's a fan concept

[barren zephyr]

I can see they shore being prime habitat for like you say Bary and Plateo as well as creatures like Ptera, Austro, and Compies. Although Compies are everywhere.

[paper oriole]

The coast, desert areas, mountains are all places “nobody lives” until things do live there.
Plateo, atopo, notho and bary are all things people have discussed for a coastal group

As well as pela of it ever happens

[barren zephyr]

Mangrove forests are something I think we need. Maybe even Deino could inhabit them or possibly Titanoboa. Although I think I depends on if they can like in Salt/Brackish water (assuming these Mangroves are in a shore like area)

[paper oriole]

Deino can stay in rivers, swamps and lakes i think.

[barren zephyr]

What are atopo and notho? And we need pela...

[paper oriole]

The coasts can have their own ecosystem

One sec ill grab pics of atops and notho

Notho

[barren zephyr]

Maybe a small Mosasaur species could inhabit the Mangroves

[paper oriole]

Atopodentatus the sea dryo

[barren zephyr]

I think I've seen those somewhere...

Those are really cool

If we do get a coastal habitat I wanna see Sea Snakes

[floral saffron]

i dont think "small mosas" have ever existed 😂 maybe a plesi species would be a good addition tho as they were best suited for fishing in the shallows?

[paper oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401481371249541120/773337012756807750/image0.jpg

Palaeophis

[barren zephyr]

I mean there are some pretty relatively small species.

[floral saffron]

oh wow

ok i stand corrected

[barren zephyr]

Basically Sea Titanoboa

[paper oriole]

Yeah though he utilizes venom

[barren zephyr]

@floral saffron I mean they aren't super small, but certainly not large!

[barren zephyr]

That's cool.

I think that it's just a bit to similar to Titano.

[paper oriole]

Maybe, though i mean we have a lot of things on the roster that seem pretty similar to others. They could make titano be able to swim in the sea so he's a mangrove hunter i suppose

[barren zephyr]

Would help with not having Deino and Titano compete so much. So yeah, that sounds great!

Not that Palaeophis isn't fricking awesome, just seems a bit to similar physically and gameplay wise to Titano...

[floral saffron]

miragaia thats actually a really good idea, anacondas today are often seen on the bottoms of rivers hunting aquatic/semi aquatic animals there so titanoboa may have done the same thing

[barren zephyr]

I'm pretty sure that Titano was nearly fully aquatic, so I'm sure it will be implemented in such a way.

[floral saffron]

oh wow, didnt know that

ive only ever seen it depicted as hanging out in huge trees, which really doesn't make sense but ive never studied titanos specifically so who am i to say

it would be very interesting to see two big swamp monsters tho, especially considering boas and aligators eat eachother today too (of course in florida, where else?)

[barren zephyr]

I love and have great respect for snakes. But if I was a Tenonto on the shore and this thing came at me...

[odd sedge]

Lemme boop snek snoot

[lime lagoon]

The problem with the florida situation, is that the boas that fight with the aligators are non native

So thats a battle that shouldnt even be happening

[barren zephyr]

It is true that Burmese pythons are invasive.

[lime lagoon]

Any of the giant constrictors are non native

[barren zephyr]

I don't remember which hurricane it was but, if only that hurricane hadn't hit that burmese python breeding facility in the 70's releasing 900 pythons into the everglades...

[strange wave]

titanoboa is tiny my dude, tenonto would quite literally stomp it into the ground

[swift dew]

invasive to where? because im sure they are still around where they originally were, but to florida yes.

[lime lagoon]

Hurricane Andrew

[barren zephyr]

Depends on if upsized.

[swift dew]

anyway it doesn't matter because thats not about the isle

[barren zephyr]

Yea florida. In there natural range they're actually either endangered or threatened.

[barren zephyr]

👍

[strange wave]

they havent upsized a single animal in the game, at all, why would they make an exception for titanoboa?

[barren zephyr]

Idk, in order to try to make it more viable. I wouldn't be surprised if they did it with Megalania either.

[strange wave]

megalania doesnt need to be upsized to be viable, its already the size of a cerato

and using the skill set of modern monitor lizards it would be able to kill things like maia

[lime lagoon]

It would make sense for it to be pretty small and comparatively weak though, since it lived in the time after the dinosaurs extinction

[barren zephyr]

Ok I don't want to argue. I'm a bit fan of both Mega and Titano, and idk man it was just an idea. My mistake saying they could take on Tenonto's.

[strange wave]

its fine

the max titanoboa could feasibly kill and eat if fictionalized would be austro

[quasi moss]

Abrir mais server!!!!!!!!!!

[barren zephyr]

Yes, but I believe they still preyed on Crocodilians and Huge Turtles of there age.

[lime lagoon]

Crocodilians smaller than Deinosuchus, mind you

[barren zephyr]

[barren zephyr]

Than an Adult, a juvi is a different story.

[strange wave]

not really, they mainly ate fish, actual titanoboa couldnt unhinge its jaw like modern boas

titanoboa was kind of a wimp

[lime lagoon]

Its a giant snake. A constrictor, even. I dont know what you would want it to do. Snakes today arnt exactly baddass's in the ring with anything

[barren zephyr]

Idk about that. Are you sure?

[strange wave]

yeah, 99.99% sure

fictionalize titanoboa to be able to do that and its fine, the main problem with it as a playable is the fact that it would have an instant death grab, and have an hour long eating animation where it wouldnt be able to move or fight

[lime lagoon]

Ugh, thats tiny

[barren zephyr]

I know that they did eat crocodilians and turtles on occasion. And I'm sure the devs will "modify" it in order to fit whatever roll they feel it needs.

[lime lagoon]

"Titanoboa's diet consisted mainly of crocodiles, as researchers found out, because of the abundance of crocodiles in the Cerrejón Formation alongside the titanoboa and several large, hard-shelled turtles that the snake could not consume. After eating a crocodile, titanoboa could go for a year without eating, as many modern-day snakes can do similarly with their rodents and such."

[strange wave]

"spinosaurus weighed 20 tons"

[barren zephyr]

Well the turtles was wrong... but not the crocodilians!

[lime lagoon]

I dont know if this is supposed to be a dig at something, but I dont get the reference

[barren zephyr]

This is so "realistic"

[lime lagoon]

Lets ignore the fact that they lived literally millions of years apart from eachother

[barren zephyr]

[quasi moss]

Please create more servers, because I didn’t pay absurd with that high dollar to stay 1 hour in the lobby

[paper oriole]

no you paid for an early alpha

and it's what you got

wait another week or two and the stress test update will probably be live

so you can play on non officials

[lime lagoon]

You also assumedly didnt pay to play exclusively on the test servers. The legacy servers and Envirma are still working perfectly fine

God I hope the QA update just rolls into live and there isnt some bogus downtime between them going down and being able to play the update

[velvet sundial]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/832753563066171433 You should be kicked after 15 minutes on the spawn screen IMO, given how many people want to play. There should be a countdown though

[mellow steppe]

@orchid bison that's on every server not just eu2

[orchid bison]

lame af

literally a full grown dieno gathering every spawn and piling bodies

[paper oriole]

lmao

[vapid horizon]

Well that means I gotta try and watch EU2 then to see if it'll allow anyone to join. XD

[barren zephyr]

are the deino and teradon in public servers now?

[paper oriole]

If you consider the stress test servers to be public then sure

[barren zephyr]

oh i meant like other servers

but ight

guess not

[tepid river]

No, just on the stress test servers for now. The update isnt fully live, just being tested by the player base

[barren zephyr]

ye

yea

[paper oriole]

The test will likely be over in a week or two

Then it will be public

[barren zephyr]

It's already been a week. Punch said that this will last for 1-2 weeks, good to expect early next week the release

like monday or tuesday?

around wed

however, I believe they'll release the trailer on Wednesday, and maybe the update on Friday

[tepid river]

I wouldn't count on it being released so soon to be honest because we don't know how long it'll take to fix the issues being found in the test itself, it could take longer to get things working properly before its actually released and often when fixing one problem it'll cause another

But it should be some time soon at least

[paper oriole]

We don't even know how strong giga and rex will be lmao

[kindred flare]

@coral maple what are yiur settings. That gaooens on low textures i beleive

[dry osprey]

Are ptra and Quetz the only confirmed flyers as of right now?

Because if Quetz is going to fill a volture niche, I’d like to see some sky hunters. Not, something stupid like BoBs tropes, but something to fill a hawk niche

A juivie/baby hunter that primarily would prey on other smaller flyers

[paper oriole]

like pela

[barren zephyr]

they are the only confirmed, however the devs have been pondering the idea for more flyers

[paper oriole]

i hope we get an herbi flyer at some point, carnis get all the cool niches 😦

[barren zephyr]

any in mind?

[paper oriole]

tupandactylus, europejara or pterodaustro would be satisfacttory

[dry osprey]

I just think the skies shouldn’t be a completely safe place. There should be threats to look out for so a bird isn’t only vulnerable for a few seconds at a time- oh fruit bat boi

Im all for Jara

[paper oriole]

tapejara is tiny af imo he'd be kinda useless in the ecosystem

or were you talkin europ

who is chad

[barren zephyr]

I would like a frugivore diet

[dry osprey]

Europ

[paper oriole]

tupan and europ would be suitable frugivores, pterodaustro eats algae and shit if he got added as an herbi flyer

look at this stupid little freak

[dry osprey]

Sir, please dont shave pelicans

[barren zephyr]

@night sand
They should add a queue system for the next open beta

it isn't really needed for the game- besides that

[turbid stratus]

@night sand I agree with the queue system idea (assuming you mean for getting into servers). I don't think rivers need to be wider.

[barren zephyr]

rivers should vary

[turbid stratus]

Agreed.

[barren zephyr]

areas where deino can easily lunge, and areas where they can't

[night sand]

i mean yeah, wide rivers and narrow rivers are fine

[barren zephyr]

deep and shallow too

[night sand]

but please, no more creeks of rivers.

[turbid stratus]

Also I 100% agree that there should be a queue system.

[barren zephyr]

you should be able to tell if the river is shallow

which you can't currently

you able to just see a deino slightly underwater

so you should with shallow rivers

[turbid stratus]

Not even just for beta testing; when servers people get back into the game it'll be just like before where most people are going to want to play on whichever server has the highest player count. (take the nycta servers in their prime on legacy people would try for hours to get into one of the servers)

[night sand]

ye

[turbid stratus]

So they should either introduce a queue system OR have the servers player-count update in real time.

[barren zephyr]

for unofficial servers, admin should have the ability to select a queue system (on and off)

[barren zephyr]

the only reason why the player-count isn't correct is because a large of people try to get into the server

alright

I'm not a fan of Ptera group sizes

[turbid stratus]

You want it larger or smaller?

[barren zephyr]

larger

[turbid stratus]

Also no. The server player count has never updated in realtime.

[barren zephyr]

it's a scavenger

[turbid stratus]

I agree.

Should be at least 10 like dryo

It's literally a winged dryo.

[barren zephyr]

because it's not easy to do
especially when there are other things to worry about

it should be 10 though

vulture-like scavenger piscivores

[turbid stratus]

Uh.. I can't speak on how difficult it may or may not be; I'm not a game dev; but other games do it so idk. And yes, there are other more important issues for them to worry about, but it would be a nice qol additon.

[barren zephyr]

true

we could see an improvement once we get the UI overhaul

however, it's mainly a server thing the devs will look into once they have time

[turbid stratus]

Ye.

Anyways, back to the ptera thing.

They give 0 food to anything larger than like a utah juvi

they don't do that much damage.

Don't apply bleed.

No reason they shouldn't be able to group up to 10.

Also they have 2 hp so they die quick af.

ez pz

[barren zephyr]

yeah pretty much

[manic flint]

Damn they increased the carno.group size a lot

[silver zephyr]

I'm gonna be honest these group sizes just seem weird, 8 for teno and 8 for utah but 6 for ptera? idk

[barren zephyr]

yeah

[outer condor]

2 for deino

[barren zephyr]

should be more! XD

@tired wagon
Unofficial servers (dedicated servers) will be able to change pack limits

however, the standard pack limits will be for base servers and official servers

they are the most 'balanced'

[tired wagon]

@barren zephyr please use commas... Reading that hurt me...

[tired wagon]

Ah legit

[barren zephyr]

yes

Server admins are getting a lot more control for their servers

[lime gulch]

thank god

[tired wagon]

Can't wait for servers to limit allo packs to 2 lmao

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr
"expect the servers to go down soon (starting with EU) and make sure to restart your Steam client to receive the update"

they're are all going down to be taken back up

oh thank yu

[molten tulip]

I was having trouble with fishing too, but I learned that the trick is the ptera has to be very very very close to the water for skimming to work

It takes practice but that's what makes ptera fun, once you get the hang of it its very satisfying

[mystic lion]

@swift dew do you hate docktahs?

[swift dew]

who doesn't?

[mystic lion]

but why? just curious about the logic there. 'cause i don't.

[molten tulip]

they just jump on a rock where you cant get them like cowards

Its annoying gameplay wise because they can stay invulnerable forever while you starve

[mystic lion]

how is that cowardly when most things can one-shot or two-shot them? sure, some stay on a rock to avoid a fight altogether, but last time i played legacy, a sucho came to port and literally killed 5-6 utahs who were being dumb and trying to fight it. it's easy enough to kill dumb utahs or poor pvpers at port who dare to fight. not to mention, it's not unrealistic for something to hide somewhere and stay "invulnerable" while you starve.

[molten tulip]

Yeah but its skillless and cheesy

Doesn't take skill to jump onto a rectangle

[mystic lion]

so? doesn't take skill to kill a single utah as a pack of like 4-5 allos, either.

[molten tulip]

Meanwhile hiding in a bush and masking your scent while still have high stakes is much more respectable

[mystic lion]

so that's what you'd do if you played as a utah? you wouldn't jump on stuff?

[molten tulip]

Nope, I've played utah before and I never do that

[mystic lion]

ooh. interesting. to each their own, then.

[molten tulip]

Utah is incredibly fast and maneuverable so you can run away from most threats

[steady lintel]

how is running away any different from jumping on a rock

any threat not faster then it would never catch it

[mystic lion]

sure. unless you get bitten in an area where you can't wallow in mud and can't mask your scent and you need to sit down to heal. then you're a sitting duck. your only choices are to bleed out or be found, really.

[steady lintel]

why not use the jump like intended theres more room for error in doing that

[molten tulip]

I've healed off bleed by wallowing and running into the woods and retracing steps to shake off enemies before

No jumping on rocks necessary

[steady lintel]

you call it cowardly tho then say you run from fights

[swift dew]

at least your touchable in a bush, you are invulnerable to all threats except food and water

[molten tulip]

I hate the rocks because when you're on them you're fearless and can't be punished for anything. There's no heightened stakes

[mystic lion]

that sounds like it wasn't a lot of damage then?

[mystic lion]

i mean, yeah. that's kinda the point, though.

[molten tulip]

This a survival horror game, so being able to just lounge on a rock detracts from the fun

[steady lintel]

no mud on rocks so you have the chance to bleed out, no food or water on rocks, some animals can even climb or reach some of the rocks

running sounds like the easy way out compared to that

[swift dew]

i just dont like the animal that supposed to be high risk high reward, turn into low risk low reward, just by jumping onto some crates

[molten tulip]

^

[mystic lion]

ig that's just your opinion. in my opinion, it adds to the fun to be able to jump on things as a utahraptor and explore man-made structures by climbing on them. plus, it makes pvp between utahs interesting as well. you guys keep saying utahs are invulnerable to ALL threats on a rock or something, but you're wrong. aggro utahs can and do kill other utahs lounging on crates/buildings/rocks.

[mystic lion]

it's still high risk, high reward imo depending on the area. i've had packs of allos and carnos starve utahs out by eating the AI while keeping the utahs trapped on stuff, until the utahs got desperate and tried to escape and were killed.

[swift dew]

personally, I think rocks are fine because you have less options to go to, compared to port where you had over 10 crates stacked that you can hop around

[steady lintel]

idk id consider it a mechanic you should utilize, like deino using water, herrera climbing trees

if you want to hunt it sometimes its best to not hunt them in there turf

like a stego shouldnt jump in the water to kill a deino

[mystic lion]

good point. once deinos go underwater, it's virtually impossible to get them. you can track them while they bleed but once they stop, they can easily stay underwater and juke you.

[steady lintel]

home advantage is a thing in this game

yeah and i wont call a deino player a coward bc he uses his mechanics well

[swift dew]

i guess docktahs just rubbed me the wrong way, as long as they don't become invincible then I guess i will be fine

[mystic lion]

i've never thought that docktahs were invincible tbh. i have died way too many times in fights at port and seen way too many other utahs die in fights at port, and have been ambushed too many times to consider utahs invincible, even at port.

one time, as a dilo, i fought a utah and it hopped onto the center pile of crates to heal, but it didn't know that i could get up there through the tilted crate and walk along the very edge (talking like, 1 inch of space here) of the bottom crate all the way around to the outside lower crate where i then killed him lol (i learned about this because i was killed by a cera as a utah who was using the same little trick).

[steady lintel]

i will say i hope they scrap the idea of utahs running up trees. imo thats such a good way to destroy a mini niches that would benefit other dinos and gives utah another way out that is just not needed with them

[mystic lion]

i had no idea they were playing with that idea? that’s wild. i can agree with you there.

[valid raven]

The update won't load it just says paused when I restart steam it still says paused...when I resume it....guess what still says paused 😣

[split brook]

So Evirma QA branch has grouping enabled now for the deino and ptera?

[glad dirge]

yup

[icy lion]

everything has grouping now

[sacred flower]

why are there giant ass cliffs that you spend 20 mins to run around to find a way up

what's the story on that, why

[quiet spade]

Does anyone else know about the cave pitfall trap

[real sorrel]

I Need help my game wont update and i dont know why

and it wont manually

[torpid nest]

No

[molten tulip]

Is it that pit in the ground with water on it while you're walking on a ledge?

[quiet spade]

theres a flooded cave you can get into from the western river, but when you go in you fall in this hole and it acts like its not underwater so you cant swim out, but then you drown

[cyan flame]

@barren zephyr I don't know, I think those logs would be a great escape method for the things that can jump, to use to get distance and all that. Carno is after all a plains animal, it should not want to hunt things into the forest if it can avoid it.

[paper oriole]

That's not a stego problem it's a deino problem

[cyan flame]

Tenno probably has a jump for outside of swamp. It does not after all live entirely in swamp or water, it's just a decent swimmer because food in there (or so it has been said to be).

I mean, I get it, and I'm not entirely opposed to a carno "step over" thing, I just think it's nice that you as dryo or utah or even tenno can use the terrain like that to get away from a carno.

Well no, you can still juke carnos, but carnos can also run around said logs and keep the chase up. If the "step" slowed the carno down, that would work too. Would not make a difference if you're just out walking, but would give the same slow down effect if you're chasing something.

Eh, it's a big animal

Sure, it's light and fragile for its size, but it's still a decent sized thing.

Maybe not, not sure on how well something like that could jump. But I'm thinking game takes precedence, and I do like the "stop" the log provides for the bigger things, so for now I'm fine with that. Even if it does make traveling in the forest a pain as a stego!

Take a few steps, log. Step around and walk a few more, new log.

And so on, forever it seems! :p

[mint vessel]

I already used my suggestion for this 6 hour segment, but could they please make an announcement to not go into the cave or else you will die?

[random imp]

"plz plz put babycarrying"- puts image of a dog who has nothing to do with fucking dinosaurs-

[paper oriole]

Last time i checked, lizards and birds dont have a scruff on their neck for carrying purposes

A dog is indeed a shite example picture to use

[silk heath]

Actually, I tried to find a dinosaur with that but it only shows the bones so in that picture that dog is very brave just like a dinosaur, very warrior like a dinosaur, very intelligent like a dinosaur :) never judge a picture please

[barren zephyr]

@woven robin

So, you're a adult pteradon right? You can fly correct? Now those 3 baby utahs that killed you, can they fly? No right? You see what I'm getting at here?

So didn't you just fly away from the baby utahs? There was nothing forcing you to engage with them, it's you're fault for dying as the best dinosaur in the game.

[woven robin]

Idk where you're getting that scenario from. I said 3 adult Pteranodons not 3 baby Utah's 🤣

But still. Pteranodon is extremely underpowered and has trash health

[barren zephyr]

@mint vessel

Horrible suggestion, raising a dinosaur group size purely so it can "deal with" something else (that it can just run away from) is trash balance, you can literally 1 shot every dinosaur in the game, why do you want to hunt adult stegos so bad?

A pack of 4 deinos shit stomping everything is awful balance, remember legacy?

[barren zephyr]

Oh my bad, I read that wrong.

[barren zephyr]

Read what I said before.

Do you know what type of game this is?

survival correct?

And guess what's the best survival tool?

Flying.

You never HAVE to engage with anything

[silk heath]

He actually got a point

[barren zephyr]

If a adult pteradon dies, they played like trash and engaged with something they could have avoided

Oh that single juvie utah that killed you?......... Why didn't you fly over it?

[silk heath]

No one is pressuring you

[woven robin]

It is indeed survival. Which is why it makes 0 sense that a single fresh spawn raptor can take down 3 fully grown Pteranodons. There's no logic in why they are easier to kill than ai half their size

[barren zephyr]

FLY over it

you don't HAVE to fight the raptor

[silk heath]

H0plite, leave it alone and fly over it

[urban flax]

I don't get how an adult pteranodon can lose to a baby utah since it can win against deinos...

[woven robin]

I didn't say you had to. Just that how they work is illogical

[barren zephyr]

"Oh man, ptera is so weak, I get bodied by juvie utahs! If I only I could fly...."

[barren zephyr]

Also those 3 pteras must have been awful players

I got harassed by a adult ptera as a 30% stego once, how in the world did 3 of you lose to a juvie utah?

[woven robin]

Wow. Who knew making a suggestion to make things a bit better and logical could cause someone to become such a cunt. It's a suggestion. No need to start mocking people cause of an idea they have.

[barren zephyr]

w-what? I was just explaining why I disliked the idea

[urban flax]

Everytime you make any sugestion, you have to expect people to disagree with you. And Dio wans't that harsh comparing to the average.

[barren zephyr]

I explained why It made 0 sense gameplay wise, do you have a argument against that?

[woven robin]

He doesn't have to agree with me. But he doesn't have to be a douche about it either

[barren zephyr]

What's a double?

[pallid sigil]

Hello i wanted to sk something

ask*

basically i installed evrima quality assurance and then switched back to legacy and now on the controls page on settings some settings are gone

is there a way to fix this?

because i found no fix on the forum

and the Save file is also gone in the local files of the game

[snow valve]

sadly the carnos body plan simply wouldn't allow for jumping, think about it, that thing weighs how much?, tell me if something that weighs close to over 2.5 tons suddenly jumped even 3ft in the air, those long legs are really not built for jumping, even when they are small it wouldn't work, they would sooner crack the lower leg area due to the weight of the cushion effect after the jump, now if you want to talk about something completely stupid, carno drifting shouldn't even be in the game, doing moves like that with an animal built for speed but with those long stilt legs and weight as full adult, that mf would snap its legs trying to stop and turn like that...

A Utah is about the biggest you can have an animal perform such agility without the risk of breaking its legs due to sheer weight alone.

and tbh should remain as such

Carnos are built for one thing, speed, so let them do that and let them do it well, but take them out of the place they perform well in, and you should have them suffer for it, such as any animal in this game, deino is pretty spooky in water, but on land it can get dunked on hard.

[snow meadow]

Does sitting at the bottom of the water heal deino like laying down does?

[snow valve]

tento is a quadra-ped , the weight is more spread out, simply physics my dude.

carno is taller and is bipedal, meaning weight is more focused into a central area, so you jump with that, you are breaking a leg, tento would simply because the weight distribution is more even.

same reason a human can break a leg and only fall on it from 4ft up

and we weigh pretty much nothing to a carno.

same concept applies to them.

yea, and even a little jump wouldn't work XD

they legit are not meant to

they cant

thats like saying a Rex can scratch its back

from a survival game perspective a lot of people would actually

:/

an unfinished game

but once they put dmg into falling properly, thats not gonna happen

ofc it will

they only keeping dmg low because they know the terrains unfinished

and so for the sake of play-ability currently they lower the dmg, until they fix the terrain more then the bump it up.

this isn't about what they got happening to keep the branch playable in its early phase, this is about the simple fact of why carno shouldn't need jump or ever should jump.

reflecting basic physics is however

:/

this is a survival game, not a FPS

using animals that actually existed

so if you have no base reality to them

there is 0 point in even implementing the animals in the first place

it wouldnt jump

it would walk over it, placing one foot over the log.

or walk with a foot on the log

and use that to hop over like emus do

yea now read what came after that

I explained what it would do

without jumping

ok, so for starters, the carno weighs about 1.5 - 3 tons total... thats heavier than the worlds heaviest croc alive today lmao.

also it legs were built to run, not jump, theres two very different forces at work in those two actions.

because say that carno suddnly tried to turn while going even at half speed, if it turns too harshly, it can snap a leg.

even cheetas do this

and they are quadrapeds.

Like sure they can add jump

but its not gonna be good for anyone.

🤷‍♂️

because then they can play in areas they really shouldnt

the devs are aiming for an ecosystem based gameplay

that will help break that

because now carnos can hop around after prey in dense jungles breaking the cover for dinos that would other wise use that to get away from them

see how that works

now lets say we made deino jump

[barren zephyr]

👍

[snow valve]

yea, like i said, implement the walk over style

not the jump

that way you can still get around.

but not be able to move quick while doing so

look I may as well ask for the devs to make deino be able to belly slide on flat ground because they got no stam for land.

because I struggle on land

there

because deino is bad on land now I must ask for them to make it easier and not so dangerous on land.

no i wouldnt deffend that

thats a terrain issue which actually makes sense to fix

your issue isnt

what that your animal stuggle in a place it isnt made for?

bruh

like i said, you can implement a step over at the cost of some speed

best of both worlds

as to if they would ever do that is down to them at this point

now if they made the jump come at some sort of cost, then i wouls be somewhat accepting of that

point is simple, you can complain about it all you want, but if they dont want it sadly nothing can be done.

yea but there should be some sort of downside to jumping as an animal that big.

or else its gonna get stupid when they start running down utahs in the woods

but they still gonna jump at full speed?

thats what im asking lmao

because if they can thats broken

imagine how far you can cover distance with a solid hop

at full pelt as and adult

yea but you never mention any of this simply wanting a jump, for all I know you would want this.

🤷‍♂️

technically I can ask for them to give deino a jump too...

but they can

they literally can hop

[barren zephyr]

why in the world would carno be able to jump?

Its physically impossible

[snow valve]

^

[barren zephyr]

I skimmed it, it was really… not smart

[snow valve]

sorry but I am running on like 3hrs of sleep fam

[barren zephyr]

not you (lydia) but the conversation was just dumb

[snow valve]

[cyan flame]

@barren zephyr I should point out, the logs we're talking about might be bigger than we think they are. And step over would be fine, if it can only be done at walking speed, so it gives the desired effect of "slow down carno" that I at least think it should have.

[snow valve]

^

this

but carnos are not woods hunters, they are plains runners

let them stay in the plains

we got dinos for the woods already, they are going to be called Troadons

[sacred quest]

i think a idea of a step up mechanic for dinos who cant jump is a good idea as long as it has its downsides and maybe make it so if u run into a log at full speed u fall and tumble

[snow valve]

^

Again i explained this

finally people get it

[cyan flame]

Why would a carno run from something in the forest? :p

[snow valve]

lmao

its the speed demon of the plains

it dont need to go into woods

XD

wtf

[cyan flame]

That's why you stay on the plains, so you can see everything and react!

[sacred quest]

could be migrating and get caught by a larger predator

[snow valve]

just hide in the bushes in open grounds

new map has insane amount of open cover now

grass is super tall for juvies

[cyan flame]

Possible, but that might be a risk then. Carno is really plains 99%, your mobility is your life. I'm fine with being able to step over stuff, if you slow down so jumping over them is an advantage over not being able to do that.

To be fair, a juvie carno can probably run and get through thin passages better than adult carno, and maybe juvie can have a jump then?

[sacred quest]

yeah i agree all im saying is a step up mechanic with the downside u stated. A jump i dont think would really suit carno

[cyan flame]

Tenno is not designed for plains life though, so there is that. But yeah, I'm fine with a step up walk speed only, so it's still viable to escape by making distance like that.

[sacred quest]

i think all dinos who cant jump should probably get some sort of step up which would vary from creature to creature in terms of how big of an object

[cyan flame]

I don't know honestly, jump into water for speed/distance maybe? I don't know why tenno has a jump to be fair :p

[sacred quest]

thing is with teno is it has four legs to stand on and land on where as carno only has two plus its body shape would leave it at a massive risk of falling over so a step up would be better

[snow valve]

^

[sacred quest]

teno has more stability to jump

[snow valve]

tbh at this point, just give every large Biped the step over as standard

problem sovled

tbh jumping into water????

that is basically asking to die now

[cyan flame]

To be fair, I've seen a lot of tennos just mention that the jump is basically pointless, it's too low to be useful. Though maybe it has been changed, rumor has it they are slightly better at jumping now, but before it was pretty much there for no good reason.

[sacred quest]

yeah tenos jump was pretty low and pretty useless

i haven't tested of late tho

[snow valve]

yea, and i thought it would be neat if deino could propel itself 8ft out of water straight up so i can grab prey what would otherwise be out of reach.

what with the deino leap out of water?

that should be a legit thing

because they can actually do that.

but thats gonna tank the stam ofc, and you need deep enough water

[sacred quest]

honestly i do think there should be some sort of mechanic to help traversing terrain

[snow valve]

yea, give bipeds the step over thingy

and at best, the juvis can do a small hop

[sacred quest]

yeah would be nice to see deino catch pteras and would add something for pteras to watch out for

[snow valve]

I have managed to get some out of the air

[sacred quest]

with a leap out of the water

[snow valve]

using alt bite

while in water

gotta time it well though, and they need to be very cocky

[clear escarp]

Bug is still there ^^

[remote torrent]

I tried respawning but I'm stuck on my previous body and nothing i do fix it and i really do not want to try rejoining the server because i legit spent an hour trying to join a server, would really appreciate the help

[cerulean marten]

Cool u implemented a water deino. How about making its under water environment not completely barren and boring with some actual stuff to hide yourself in for other deino attacks 😄

gime da bush bush

[remote torrent]

Gators should rest at bottom of water

[urban flax]

@hasty jackal The Isle is not aiming for realism at all
They're intentionally fictionalizing their dinosaurs to make them fill up more interesting niches than what they should be

btw you whould complain about minmi being semiaquatic rather than it being a digger, because minmi diggin is actually quite plausible

[hasty jackal]

so they remove the backmuscles of an animal? interesting niche

[brittle ivy]

It’s dermal ornamentation, not the actual spine.

[urban flax]

I agree about shant's new design, though people told me they're just weird-shaped spikes
But the other designs are fine

[hasty jackal]

they are making minmi a swimmer?

and a digger?

[urban flax]

Yes

[random imp]

[hasty jackal]

thing is there is creature filling those roles

instead of beipiaosaurus why not make hesperornis

why make minmi a digger when you could have some basal mammal huntin baby dinos

thats why cooler, more realistic and doesnt butcher actual dinosaurs and makes them laughable

also why do you have to strip skin and muscle off of the shants back what purpose does that serve? it looks dumb its unrealistic

the game could be fun, realistic and interesting, but they activly try to not do that

not only that but also stupid in the way they justify it

as i said just make hesperornis, its a dinosaur and it swims, why shouldnt it be in the game instead of beipiao

also poor tapwing, they are capable of making beautiful paleoart like this, but get paid to produce these concept arts

how sad is that, to have a capable talented artist on payroll and tell them to draw those horrid concepts that get worse and worse

[sand oar]

[hasty jackal]

and also im all for interesting speculative behaviours in dinosaurs, but only if they make sense and are supported by factual evidence. If the oviraptor can eat eggs additionally to a normal diet, then why not, but i think you will need to eat eggs to survive as an ovi which is dumb. Also digging dinosaurs are interesting and cool, but why do you make a walking tank a digger? that doesnt have the claws or body build to do so? minmi was 3 meters long after all

and digging up roots is something else than digging tunnels

[urban flax]

Anctually ankylosaurids were diggers

[molten tulip]

Who cares if its unrealistic? Its a video game

[sand oar]

What? Hyper Spino is a lie

[molten tulip]

I'm all for dinosaurs interpreted as actual animals instead of weird jurassic world monsters that don't make sense but the isle is good about making them feel like actual animals

[hasty jackal]

it would make more sense for beipiaosaurus to dig, since it has big and muscular forelimbs and a shorter body. we also know that giant groundsloths dug tunnels

[barren zephyr]

concept art is just concept art. It is a concept of an animal (e.g. how it looks and perhaps behaves)

[hasty jackal]

where do you have that from?

[urban flax]

Paleotalk

Then I checked on paleo-study sites

[barren zephyr]

But yeah they have done better creatures as freelance artists, and I am not sure how they have ended up coming up with horrendous depictions of creatures like acro or anky

[hasty jackal]

if you mean digging up roots and little holes to lie in, yes but i dont think i have ever heard of full on tunnels

[barren zephyr]

yeah creativity and artistic licence is good, but that is the wrong application of it.

[azure sinew]

Yea they def weren’t digging tunels

[urban flax]

We don't have evidence of full-on tunnels
But if they can dig little holes to lie in, it isn't too far-fetched to make it able to dig tunnels

[molten tulip]

For anky theyre struggling with animation issues, animating very short legs that are covered by solid skin which can't deform is very hard, so they're fictionalizing its design to try and make it work ingame

Its not just out of nowhere

Idk what acro was about

[barren zephyr]

and you do not need quirky proportions or body parts to make an animal interesting necessarily

there is colouration or behaviour to work on, too.

[hasty jackal]

yes that is a step far further, digging a small hole or for food like a warthog, is different than living underground digging tunnels like a mole

[barren zephyr]

and really the most favourable designs would be those that build off the base design rather than modifying it

Suchomimus isn't too radical in terms of design, but it looks nice and also has a throat pouch, which is a nice bit of speculation.

[hasty jackal]

as i said before why take a creature and force it to be something it wasnt, instead of taking a creature that was a digger and put it in the game

[hasty jackal]

exactly, that is reasonably specualtive and adds up well

[barren zephyr]

Allosaurus isn't incredibly radical, either.

[barren zephyr]

both, it's a beautiful mixture

Beipiaosaurus is a bit more radical due to having a totally different lifestyle from its irl counterpart (diving for fish like a cormorant or merganser rather than feeding on ground vegetation), but it still works with the legacy-ish modest theme

[hasty jackal]

they actually made it better from the old croc allo

[cyan flame]

Why does the strain have a somewhat more accurate sail and body than the base model? xD

[barren zephyr]

And then they decided to turn spino into this abomination. They made it generic, and they even fucked up the facial anatomy by putting the eye in the wrong hole of the snout

[sand oar]

👀

[barren zephyr]

And the base model looks equally monstrous to the strain versions

[hasty jackal]

thats a good point, i dont know XD

[barren zephyr]

Except the strains are meant to be monstrous, not the base animals

[molten tulip]

That spino hurts my eyes

[cyan flame]

:D

[gritty hawk]

My life is trying to get on a evrima server, I have nothing better to do because lockdown, it is so damn depressing they need to do something about it

I have been doing it for half an hour

[barren zephyr]

Well the servers are full or at times broken

and also do not be that selective about ping, unless your computer is a potato

[gritty hawk]

I am not

I go on any server with any amount of slots

[molten tulip]

My advice is only focus on one

Type its name in the filter by name, and keep refreshing until a spot opens

[gritty hawk]

Ok will try it thanks

[azure sinew]

They didn’t ruin it, most of the playerbase loves the current spino

[molten tulip]

I dont think I've seen anyone like that spino

[azure sinew]

Then ur blind

[barren zephyr]

I originally liked it, until I realised it was deformed and whatnot

and also the new spinosaurus discoveries have grown on me

[azure sinew]

It isn’t deformed, maybe not realistic but it’s definitely cool looking

[molten tulip]

Not really

[azure sinew]

That’s just ur opinion

[molten tulip]

When you look at it you can't tell what going on mechanically

[barren zephyr]

I mean another thing I do not get is why people like the new alberto

[azure sinew]

Again, not realistic, sure, is it cool looking? Yes

Didn’t even see the new alberto

[molten tulip]

Not cool looking at all

[barren zephyr]

It looks like a bobblehead, not a serious animal that can be killing mercs

[azure sinew]

Again, your opinion

[barren zephyr]

And I suspect the main reason people like it is because it looks goofy

[molten tulip]

Well your opinion of "its cool looking" is also your opinion

[azure sinew]

Do u havw a pic of it?

That’s exactly what it is

[gritty hawk]

GENIUS

[azure sinew]

And of most of the playerbase

[trail tide]

Just gunna drop in here the obligatory:

Keep in mind that we do have channels for Bugs/Map Issues in #723294838610722847 + #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 . For issues you are having in game, go ahead and check in #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 . This feedback channel is for feedback only. You'll probably get more assistance with issues you are experiencing if you use those channels provided. ^^ The entries in here that do not fall under #general-feedback will now be removed above.

Basic Questions can be asked in #401464048610312195.

Since I am cleaning up the channel for us.

[barren zephyr]

It looks stupid. Not even funny

[azure sinew]

Yea agreed, head is too fat, or neck

[barren zephyr]

AND they gave us that perspective out of any bloody perspective making it hard to judge how big the head actually is

[trail tide]

Still curious to see it textured.

[hasty jackal]

walker the thing is there is a difference between subjective and objective, you thinking it looks cool is an opinion, someone else analysing the model and coming to the conclusion its inaccurate and unrealistic is objective

[azure sinew]

Yea likewise, myb it will improve

[barren zephyr]

My reason for disliking Spinosaurus is objective and subjective.

[trail tide]

I wasn't a big fan of Herrera. But when I saw it's texture it grew on me.

[azure sinew]

It is indeed still an opinion no matter how u turn it

[trail tide]

In the end, The Isle isn't going for accuracy or "realistic" considering the lore and setting for the game.

[azure sinew]

Yea exactly

[trail tide]

I am just along for the ride.

[azure sinew]

All that matters is that the mechanics are somewhat realistic, looks not much

[cyan flame]

@trail tide I wish we could get proper sideviews of stuff however. That would be nice!

[trail tide]

Yeeeeep, I agree. Angles do not help with seeing the proper proportions.

[azure sinew]

It looks like it’s head was hit by an anky

[trail tide]

Hehe, that isn't a textured model and all that. I wanna see it in the full before I decide to dislike it.

[azure sinew]

prob right

[molten tulip]

The bottom right 👌

[barren zephyr]

I mean the snout is also bulbous like numerous depictions of Tyrannosaurs in media

[hasty jackal]

yes its two opinions, just one is based in facts and the other is based on nothing but personal preference

[trail tide]

Colored Lineart =/= end result.

[barren zephyr]

yes

[azure sinew]

Nah not facts, based on your own “facts” meaning they are opinion because they’re not accurate

[trail tide]

I think a lot of the issue is there's a lot of people that demand accuracy - which is not quite fair. As that is not what The Isle is about. In the end, they are gunna make their monster dinosaurs for their survival horror game in whatever way they seem fit. As that is what artists do. Make their own versions of things.

[azure sinew]

Although the bottom right could use a remodel it should look similar and it would be just right

Yea exactly

[trail tide]

Also given how often dinos change over the years of Paleo research it's just a never ending argument.

[barren zephyr]

I mean alberto has a head which is a straight up replica of the JP rex, except with bigger brow horns and snout spikes

[trail tide]

Rexyyyy

[hasty jackal]

no i try to give the facts that are currently known to be scientifically accurate. They are rooted in research and logic done by people who do this for a living.

[cyan flame]

I think it's more so that people want something that looks realistic/reasonable proportion wise and all that most of the time. If you want to spice it up with soft tissue, that's more accepted I think at least.

[barren zephyr]

Soft tissue in paleoart is sorta unmemorable

[trail tide]

I mean, the game has giant monsters who have jaws that split open.

[barren zephyr]

like giving dewlaps to things

[hasty jackal]

yes, which is so great about our understanding, since it gets better and better. I get you cant just be accurate for ever, but shouldnt you at least try to be accurate for the time, instead of activly choosing to be ignorant to knowledge

[urban flax]

Unless you're just not trying to make a dino sim

[barren zephyr]

This Brachiosaurus or titanosaur or whatever this is

[urban flax]

But more of a sci-fi survival horror game

[trail tide]

I wouldn't call someone stylizing a dinosaurs being ignorant. I don't call artists ignorant for creating their own styles in how they draw/do things.

[hasty jackal]

then dont call it dinosaurs and dont give each of them a scientific name

[azure sinew]

What were your “facts” again?

[molten tulip]

Its more like using and blending realistic traits on dinos is much more interesting and gives much more character than trying to design them from scratch

[urban flax]

In the game's lore they're actual dinosaurs but genetically modified. So yes, they are still dinosaurs.

You can call them mutants if you wish tho

[barren zephyr]

I wouldn't exactly blame the artists in the dev team for what the creatures look like, unless they are truly independent when it comes to making designs.

[molten tulip]

The reference material is usually better than freehand drawing with no reference

[cyan flame]

Yes, and those giant monsters are also specific strains that are very deliberately not realistic or reasonable as actual critters. They are temporary, unstable, things that are living weapons more than anything. They can get away with it a lot more because of that I would say.

[hasty jackal]

i was mostly talking about the shant missing a part of its back muscles and having its spines exposed to external damage, the minmi not being a digger and swimmer and the beipiao not being a swimmer

[azure sinew]

I meant about the spino

[barren zephyr]

I mean spinosaurus is still incomplete

we have more stuff to uncover

[hasty jackal]

i agreed with "we do a little trolling" on that one

[barren zephyr]

For the meanwhile, it is in an awkward spot

[azure sinew]

But what were the facts u were talking about I’m just curious

[molten tulip]

First off that spinos eyeball was not in its sinuses

[barren zephyr]

These are our only remains, and they may not even be from the same animal

[molten tulip]

It was in its eye socket

[azure sinew]

Let frzcger guy speak

[hasty jackal]

then dont call them for example "utahraptor" go the primal crnage route and call it a "novaraptor" or something

[barren zephyr]

The Utahraptor we have isnt even like the primal carnage raptor

TOTALLY different sounds and also a different build.

Our raptor barks, PC's raptor screeches

[urban flax]

As inaccurate as our utahraptor is, it's still based on the actual animal.

[azure sinew]

In terms of realism that spino is number 1, but my opinion is that it looks derpy and hideous honestly

[barren zephyr]

It is just a skeletal

[cyan flame]

Is it really? Isn't it based on a JP raptor? :p

[barren zephyr]

nor do we have complete remains

[azure sinew]

Even the skinned one

[barren zephyr]

Based on both

[hasty jackal]

alright lets see, the eyeballs were in the wrong place as we have said multiple times now, the face is too wide overall, the snout is not distinctivly curved enough, the torso is too short aswell as the tail, the tail aslo doesnt have the fluke structure that was recently discovered, legs are almost too long from what it looks like, the sail ist too small and doesnt quite have the distinctive "M" shape

[barren zephyr]

The posture is more accurate than the Jp raptor and it is also bulkier, but not as stocky as the real life utahraptor

[azure sinew]

So u want it to look like the pic we do a little trolling sent?

And yes everything u said is accurate for reference

[gritty hawk]

They need to sort this server thing out, my wifi did disconnect me from the server I was on as soon as I got onto it so now I havw official been trying to get into a server for an hour 👏

[barren zephyr]

The sail shape of spino is still under debate

look at the skeletals I posted

[hasty jackal]

the skeleton? yeah, since that is the skeleton for a spinosaurus as far as we know

[barren zephyr]

the stuff highlighted in white is what we actually have

the rest is hypothetical or inferred from other spinosaurs

[azure sinew]

Alright so ur “opinion” is that it should look realistic my “opinion” and most of the playerbase is that it should look more cool/aesthetic

[rigid wyvern]

guys, trying to join any oficial evrima server, but after a little in the loading screen it goes back to the title screen. is that because the server got full while i was trying to join?

[azure sinew]

Everything u said is accurate and scientific, but not necessarily what should be in game

[barren zephyr]

yes, or it has gone down

[azure sinew]

Yes

[hasty jackal]

why shouldnt it be in game?

[gritty hawk]

Yes, don't become what I have trying to get in for an hour

[azure sinew]

Because it looks hideous

If u don’t believe me, go to isle discussion, post that pic, and the xurrent spino, and ask which they prefer

[hasty jackal]

do warthogs look hideous?

[azure sinew]

I don’t know they aren’t in the game

[barren zephyr]

Not necessarily

[hasty jackal]

answer the question, do you think a worthog looks more hideous compared to a farm pig?

[barren zephyr]

both are suids

[azure sinew]

No not really

[hasty jackal]

i would say yes

[azure sinew]

Warthog is a warthog

[hasty jackal]

exactly

thats my point

a spino is a spino

[azure sinew]

I can’t tell if ur sarcastic or joking

[barren zephyr]

and our spino is not a spino

if it is that deviant from the real animal

[azure sinew]

AESTHETIC REALISM IS NOT WHAT THE ISLE IS ABOUT mechanical realism I can get behind

[azure sinew]

how do u not understand that yet

[gritty hawk]

I am just going to say that paleo accuracy should be what it is designed off but, a little bit of editing like what they did with the teno would be good aswell

[molten tulip]

The current spino is awful in terms of mechanical realism too

[hasty jackal]

so they could have mad a croc with horns and longer legs that looks cool and you would have been fine with it?

[azure sinew]

If ur talking about the eye thing, not what that means

[barren zephyr]

The animations are all floppy and weightless

[molten tulip]

They need to base it more on the animal because it actually has interesting traits

[azure sinew]

Except that wouldn’t look cool

[barren zephyr]

we don't have much information on if Minmi did or didn't digger nor swim

[molten tulip]

What i mean is you can look at the creature and you can understand how it works anatomically

[azure sinew]

God this is pointless

[barren zephyr]

Our spinosaurus is generic in terms of a general design

over it's brings variety the game

A great big stomping theropod that kills other theropods for the hell of it

[hasty jackal]

what looks "cool"?

[barren zephyr]

like in Jurassic Park 3

Cool is subjective as is ugly

[azure sinew]

the current spino

[barren zephyr]

Your opinion is as much of an opinion as ours

[molten tulip]

Well accurate spino is cool too

Both opinions

[hasty jackal]

look up i have given an example for how to bring variety without butchering dinosaurs for it

[azure sinew]

just go to isle discussion where most ppl are, post the two pics, compare them and see dor urself

[gritty hawk]

Why don't we just leave it to the devs?

[barren zephyr]

MINMI isn't butchered
it has a very similar accurate design
however, it wouldn't realistically fit in the isle ecosystem with it's structured niche

[azure sinew]

Exactly, their current spino is great

[amber anchor]

you have a weird perception of cool, how is our current spino cooler than the paleo one, big ooof

[hasty jackal]

i love the design dont get me wrong, thats what i said before aswell, just the niche is wrong

[gritty hawk]

As in let them design a new one or keep the old one

[still raptor]

Opinions are opinions.

[azure sinew]

^^^^

[barren zephyr]

what do want than?

we have little information about the lifestyle of Minmi

[gritty hawk]

Yes and devs do the work

[barren zephyr]

this is because we have little dig sites in Australia

the home place of Minmi

[molten tulip]

Its a game. You have to give dinos fictional niches to make them fun

[barren zephyr]

It looks like a proper ankylosaur, moreso than ankylosaurus

[azure sinew]

Make them fun to you

[hasty jackal]

that the minmi cant swim and only digs for food and little structures to lay in, instead of massive tunnels

[barren zephyr]

Not necessarily.

The choices of animals should also actually affect gameplay

[barren zephyr]

so basically a tiny anky?
with an added mechanic and no club

Minmi doesn't really swim properly based on what has been seen in the concept art, either

[hasty jackal]

anky should look more like minmi since minmi is more accurate and should have the digging thing too but overall yes

[white rune]

Beauty.

[barren zephyr]

Instead it seems to sort of run or amble about on the bottom like a Hippopotamus

[white rune]

Minmi doesn't need to swim

[barren zephyr]

Minmi isn't a full-on swimmer

[white rune]

just do like that lastest found Ankylosaur in Mongolia

[barren zephyr]

it's semi-aquatic

[white rune]

I know

it walks at the bottom

[barren zephyr]

yes

[white rune]

I wish it could do burrows at river bands and be able to go in the mud underwater as well

[barren zephyr]

it's a hippo snap turtle

[white rune]

and that's why it is adorable

[barren zephyr]

it might. We have no information if it can't or can

[barren zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/han-solo-han-solo-harisson-ford-star-wars-gif-4901941

[white rune]

I know we do not know

[barren zephyr]

Minmi is really just a Pygmy hippopotamus in terms of general behaviour, mixed with some rodents like Capybaras or Muskrats

[white rune]

but we hope for that

Now give the castor

lmao

uh

beaver

sorry

[barren zephyr]

and obviously as an ankylosaur, it has armour

[white rune]

gib a beaver

Duck, hippo, beaver

[barren zephyr]

Nor is it a general muckup in terms of how ankylosaur armour actually may have looked like

[white rune]

and the goose

[barren zephyr]

relatively good armour, especially with venom
which I'm glad

Bony scutes attached to skin

[white rune]

aka Deinocheirus

[barren zephyr]

it has a beautiful design

[hasty jackal]

wish that was the isles new anky

[barren zephyr]

This is the Ankylosaurus from Saurian, which has got Mark Witton (a reputable palaeontologist) as a scientific advisor

yes

because that is the direction Saurian wants to aim

true/near paleontological accuracy

[white rune]

This Anky is beauty

unlike TI's one

[barren zephyr]

And Minmi isn't too bad

[white rune]

Minmi is blessed unlike Anky

[barren zephyr]

The semi accurate legacy style is quite good