general-feedback-discussion

[barren zephyr]

Water and food are some examples

[odd sedge]

On the other hand you can see attackers coming quite easily

[barren zephyr]

And also heat stress

[tawny juniper]

One of the only things I can really see thriving in desert is utah

Fast, And can do a bit of damage

Can get away from predators

But catch its prey

[barren zephyr]

Hence, it's only some smaller animals that might thrive, or those which can efficiently get rid of excess heat through dewlaps and humps.

[odd sedge]

It depends in the type of desert as well

[barren zephyr]

Yes

[odd sedge]

If we're talking dunes, then ptera is the best

[tawny juniper]

Also probably the reason utah raptor was in utah lol

[barren zephyr]

Sand dunes are very bloody harsh, while chapparal isn't so much.

[barren zephyr]

Utah back then was mainly tropical floodplains

And also open forest

[odd sedge]

The desert could get a wet and a dry season, so dinosaurs are forced to move around

[barren zephyr]

It would be akin to the African Savannah, except with more conifers.

[tawny juniper]

Ah my bad

[barren zephyr]

And perhaps wetter areas, so the Okavango Delta may be a great comparison.

Seasonal flooding and drying out.

And also fires during dry seasons

[odd sedge]

Dinosaurs will be forced to migrate to eat their correct diet, of course they will have to pass biomes as well, where they probably can't thrive, but be at least able to have a little stop to not starve

[barren zephyr]

Anyway deserts would be perfect territory for perhaps kentro (which is currently like an oryx, a desert dwelling antelope), Velociraptor (which irl lived in deserts) and Protoceratops (a contemporary of Velo)

Orodromeus might call some dry side of the island home, preventing competition with Hypsilophodon.

[odd sedge]

It would be a niche for certain dinos and I like that

[barren zephyr]

Yes.

[tawny juniper]

But not very many

[barren zephyr]

And if some are crying about why some animals are exclusive to some regions, good for them.

[barren zephyr]

More could be added.

[tawny juniper]

I feel that animals being added just so a different biome could work

[barren zephyr]

Acro might call deserts home since it's got that humpback (yes, it's time to copy camels)

[tawny juniper]

Wouldn't really be worth it

[barren zephyr]

For me it's adding a different biome so that the animals work.

Giga and Acro are clearly direct competitors (not very good if you want a stable food chain)

One would wipe out the other.

[tawny juniper]

Well the niche has to be useful across all maps

I can understand holding water longer in a desert

But how will that aid it in a jungle

I understand it's still possible to run out of water in a jungle but water there is much more frequent

[barren zephyr]

yes

if an acro fares better in a desert due to being able to store energy and water as fat, that means it likely would prefer areas where a giga just would not thrive.

[barren zephyr]

Your idea is still trash, sorry.

I would rather austro be the only true fisher dinosaur, then just sucho clone.

[tawny juniper]

wtf

Austro isn't the only piscivore

Spino, Sucho, Deino, Pt

[urban flax]

Deino isn't really a piscivore though

[tawny juniper]

True

It doesn't exclusivley eat fish

[urban flax]

And you forgot Bary ^^

[tawny juniper]

Bary

Aswell

yeah

It does have whats needed for hunting fish none the less

[urban flax]

The best fishers imo should be bary and austro

[tawny juniper]

Agreed

[urban flax]

Bary for elite fish, austro for small fish

[barren zephyr]

Diving austro would be the only psicivore that can dive

[urban flax]

And not spino ?

[barren zephyr]

Spino walks in water

[icy lion]

deino? beipi might dive too

[urban flax]

If spino can't dive why implement it at all

Walking underwater is not fit for a semi-aquatic

[barren zephyr]

Because its a hippo, it walks underwater.

[urban flax]

Hippos swim

[barren zephyr]

Hippos walk

[icy lion]

and also swim

[barren zephyr]

they rarely swim

[urban flax]

I've already had this conversation before. How could hippos breathe if they didn't swim ?

[icy lion]

factually wrong but ok

[barren zephyr]

What does breathing underwater have to do with swimming?

[urban flax]

The fact they don't breathe underwater

[barren zephyr]

and?

[urban flax]

They have to swim to the surface in order to breathe

[icy lion]

theyre talking about swimming up to the surface to breathe

[barren zephyr]

fair

But spino walks underwater, didn't a dev confirm it?

[icy lion]

it also swims

[urban flax]

So if spino can both swim to the surface and walk underwater like a hippo then it can dive

[icy lion]

diving in the game context generally refers to the ability go go underwater at all

[barren zephyr]

Of course it can swim, but its preferred method of transportation underwater is running/walking

[icy lion]

since the default is being stuck to the surface

[barren zephyr]

And besides, this was about wading austro not being unique

[urban flax]

Well I can agree about that
If austro can't dive then it doesn't really have an appeal either

[barren zephyr]

Yep, wading austro is just weaker bary

[swift dew]

isnt austro already like 5 times smaller than any other fish eater? that seems pretty unique to me, now just give it some interesting abilities

[barren zephyr]

Like diving

[urban flax]

Being small is not a feat to attract players

[swift dew]

i dont see why austro cant wade, i mean its a giant duck, ducks can wade, literally anything with legs can wade

[barren zephyr]

Because its boring

Fun gameplay > realism

[urban flax]

The problem is not that it can wade
The problem if that if its a wader, it implies that it can't dive

[swift dew]

so bary cant dive now? I dont think anything is getting the "wader" gameplay according to this

[urban flax]

Maybe nothing deserves the wader gameplay

[barren zephyr]

sucho deserves it

[swift dew]

so sucho cant dive?

[barren zephyr]

I mean of course

Its basically just a normal therapod

[urban flax]

I agree with Dio that it's boring. You can't make everything just like in real life. Deino is a fast and stong aquatic predator, yet people (including myself) find it may be boring. Something that is bound to live near water but cannot even dive risks being very boring to play

[barren zephyr]

Suchos the only one that can be justified being just a wader

[urban flax]

Oh god
Dave really suggested Tarbo

Where will the madness of Man stop ?

[barren zephyr]

fucking tarbo

[swift dew]

not only this, but it is now inferior to land animals on land, and inferior to other aquatics in the water, so now you get one of those instances where you are trying to get the best of both worlds but don't

[urban flax]

Yes
That's why waders shouldn't really exist
Sucho at least has the advantage of still being strong on land so I could accept it as a wader

Spino is strong on land too, but irl spino is too much of an aquatic animal to not allow The Isle's to dive

[haughty cliff]

"kinda like how currently in game when Dinosaurs look thinner the hungrier they get."

Is this actually a thing? Has this ever been confirmed? I've heard players talking about it but haven't ever seen a difference, bar color being washed out at low HP

[urban flax]

No, dinosaurs don't change appearance when they're hungry and it hasn't been confirmed by devs

[fallen path]

It will never stop. lol.

[icy lion]

yea, its been a thing

the model itself doesnt change, the normal map does

[wintry monolith]

Theyr not bc it became a meta fighting style that you Always have ambush in a fight but devs wanted it to be a mechnic where you could hide better and get a Speed boost and a jump on ur enemy

[icy lion]

devs have said ambush isnt coming back

[haughty cliff]

@icy lion So they actually look thinner, too, not just paler?

[icy lion]

yup

its mostly noticeable in the hips and ribs

[compact hare]

to complement

[pale bloom]

The solution to avoid using ambush like that is make it to drown your stamina really quick

There's certain dinos like Rex that honestly would be good to have some sort of "ambush" that drowns your stamina fast + plus bad regen so people won't use it as speed boost overall

[small quarry]

Being in ambush too long gives you a leg cramp and you have to do a shake animation.

[compact hare]

lets accept it wont come back anymore, and thats it.
at least not for every carnivore, and in the way it is in Legacy

[pale bloom]

Other dinos like Utah / Carno / Allo won't need ambush as they are really speedy carnivores already

I wouldn't mind if it's gets added back or not, I just don't get why people hate it that much,

[haughty cliff]

Thanks! Do you know if this is in Legacy, Evrima or both? I could never find comparison pics or proof and couldn't see it on Legacy, but now I kinda wanna test on evrima lol

[icy lion]

its only in evrima as far as im aware, it can be hard to tell since hunger falls gradually but if you can get someone to set you from 100% hunger straight to 0 it becomes really apparent c:

[haughty cliff]

Awesome, tyvm

[paper oriole]

huh

[left nacelle]

What's up with that

lol

[odd sedge]

Cat or something probably walked over the keyboard

[left nacelle]

Kinda doubt that, considering there were no letters in there. I think they're gone now tho

[tawny juniper]

Walking on the flood is still qualified as swimmy

As it isn't walking normally

It is swimming while moving its feet on the ground

[safe galleon]

@fallen path

[haughty cliff]

@barren zephyr Whatever fits there!! I don't know much about the lad myself...

i'm sure it could be made to work

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, idk if you saw it but in General Feedback I posted my ideas further expanded on.

[haughty cliff]

Yeah it meshes really nicely if they implemented it that way!!

I've no idea about its actual history/behavior so I can't comment heh

[barren zephyr]

Idk much about its irl behavior either. Just figured that was a pretty good way to implement it. Thanks for the feedback!

[haughty cliff]

👍 it'd be really cool to see imo!

[barren zephyr]

Noice

[noble pine]

@fallen path

[swift dew]

@barren zephyr or people can just suck it up and wait untill it comes, its really simple

[barren zephyr]

ok

[noble pine]

[stuck sorrel]

where can i ask some questions ?=

[safe galleon]

#401464048610312195

[haughty cliff]

they removed that, I think, b/c of collision issues but I do hope they add it back

[zinc anvil]

@barren zephyr Understand that them not giving an ETA for an update is a good thing.How disappointing would you be if they gave a date but had to keep pushing that date back because of bugs/problems with development.Keep in mind these are people that make the game no mindless robots and you telling them they need to do things is basically you telling them they are bad at there jobs,now hearing that everyday would get pretty annoying now wouldn't it.I understand people are frustrated ect but Rome wasn't built in a day,legacy the former version of this game wasn't built in a day it took years.I was very very disappointing and frustrated when evrima first dropped like many people so i joined Qa to help turn this game into something worth playing,am i saying the games worth playing right now no honestly but id check out the beta whenever it drops to see whats going on with the direction of the game.But having dead lines and ETA's will put to much pressure on people to meet targets and just add more problems in the long run.

[barren zephyr]

I completely agree Syn

[severe idol]

That's a real situation of someone not fully reading the Feedback post.

[barren zephyr]

I’m not asking for an ETA though, I’m asking for the exact opposite

[severe idol]

The statement of "If it doesn't come off the Official Twitter or Discord Announcements, don't listen to it" pretty clearly defines the trouble, Bilbo. If a Dev had to step in every time someone decided to harp on and claim something is coming at a certain time, they'd never get work done. You may be severely underestimating how frequently it happens.

[barren zephyr]

[spark furnace]

[valid elk]

@barren zephyr Why the emote?

[left nacelle]

@fallen path Already planned

[haughty cliff]

Is it still planned? Afaik they removed it

[left nacelle]

It's still planned iirc, there's just issues with it right now last I heard

[haughty cliff]

That'd be nice, it does look good

[left nacelle]

Yeah it looks great. Not to mention the immersion it adds to the world

[turbid mauve]

That's some murky stinky ew water. Will there be any new water? Like clear ones?

[left nacelle]

But the issue with it was that the texture would look trippy when you started moving. Like the texture would stay in the same place but you would move independently of it. They could definitely fix that, but it's likely a low priority

[left nacelle]

Probably not, cause most water irl isn't clear. But that's swamp water, so it's meant to be really murky

[turbid mauve]

you neva went to a place where there was clear water? i did and i floated

[left nacelle]

Nope, I haven't. But like I said most water irl isn't clear. I could see something like hot springs or ocean water being clear, but river water and swamp water wouldn't make sense to be clear

And deino kinda relies on murky water for ambushing

[turbid mauve]

aint nobody cares about him, u think i wont see a croc before it ambushes me? why would i go get water where the water is deep and unclear, i would go to a shallow area big brain moment jus face it, dude. deino is a opportunistic hunter that its gameplay is purely based on luck ;-;

💡

[left nacelle]

Not really tho. If deino gameplay was purely luck it wouldn't require any skill, and that definitely isn't the case. And yeah, going to shallow water is smart, but it isn't always an option, and that's how deino gets it meals. Plus it's kinda impossible to travel without crossing at least one river

And this is coming from someone who's more excited for ptera lol

[paper oriole]

clear water areas would likely be less common in game so people are to choose between the more dangerous but easier to reach water or wait to find a different source

[turbid mauve]

wdym crossing a river? da faq? i dont want a forest indense habitat, i want a savannah area 💩

u havent even seen da map, like jesus its huge

[left nacelle]

But... you know savannahs have very little water.. right? And the biggest savannah on the planet also has the biggest river running through it

[turbid mauve]

i hope its not all forest after forest cause id lose my mind

[paper oriole]

the waters in savannah biomes are also grody as fuck as you've probably seen

[left nacelle]

It's a tropical island, of course it's gonna have a lot of jungle. But next update we're getting more grasslands and even wider rivers

[paper oriole]

basically mud in many areas

[left nacelle]

Haven't you seen the map updates? The map is gonna be completely different next update

[turbid mauve]

in different seasons i want a savannah effect looking arena ;-;

like frfr

[left nacelle]

Well iirc, we're are supposed to get savannahs eventually

But for now, grasslands are as close as we'll get. But they aren't far off from savannahs anyway

[turbid mauve]

beyond 2 yards

is all im askin

[left nacelle]

You notice how like 30 people put a ⏲️ on that? Means it's already planned

And again, we're getting huge grasslands next update

[turbid mauve]

do you notice my pain

[severe idol]

Having seen parts of the map, there's a fair bit not smothered in trees.

[left nacelle]

You're really confusing me here. Why are you in pain when I just told you that the feature you want is already planned?

[turbid mauve]

"fair" 😏 whats next "few?"

[turbid mauve]

a feature ive been waiting for, for 6 years 🤓

[left nacelle]

We've had.... tons of grasslands over the past 6 years tho? Region 2 in particular had barely any forest compared to the grasslands

[turbid mauve]

i might just be deino and take a dive to the other island connected to isla spiro and finally feel free

from the chains of mindless boredom of a herbi player

or better yet

ima just go be ptera

[left nacelle]

Isla Spiro doesn't have a second island iirc, that's isla Spero

And even if it did, there's a map border that extends into the ocean right now

[turbid mauve]

"isla spero" i am lost with these names nowadays

[left nacelle]

Spero was the first huge map we were shown with the multiple islands. Spiro is the smaller (and still incomplete) map we currently have cause Unreal Engine had issues with a map as large as Spero

[compact hare]

There is a smaller island in Spiro map but ye, map limits

[left nacelle]

Oh Spiro does have a smaller island? Didn't realize. But ye, map borders will prevent you from going there, since the border isn't gonna expand next update

[compact hare]

look maybe they could turn into big rocks, spots for pteras and quetz nesting

[left nacelle]

Oh we're already getting big rocks next update

[compact hare]

By big rocks I mean a place with those tall, black and pointy rocks

[compact hare]

are we ? nice

[left nacelle]

These cliffs are also a great place for flying animals to nest

[compact hare]

is that a "hidden" waterfall ?

[turbid mauve]

u funny if u think ptera can get that high with the cap on its stamina the devs put into it

[left nacelle]

It can tho. It can get well above the treeline with its stamina. And it's not like it falls out of the sky when it runs out of stamina, you can easily land on the smaller part, get stam back and fly higher

[turbid mauve]

why u struggling to get up tho

[compact hare]

they can go pretty high, if not higher than that

[left nacelle]

Cause flying takes a lot of energy and pteras aren't meant to fly, they're meant to soar. Hence why flapping your wings is so tiring

[turbid mauve]

my budgie can barely fly without being exhausted and it has wings who depend on the flapping

[left nacelle]

Exactly, hence why you don't see birds flying at any opportunity they get. We might see flight and wonder why they don't take advantage of it and fly all the time, but to them flying is like running is to us. It takes a lot of energy and they don't wanna do it unless they need to cause it's tiring

Whenever my bird flies she starts breathing really heavy after she lands

[turbid mauve]

my budgie fat tho and isn't useto to flight 🤓 , green budgies in the wild who are skinny fly effortlessly

[compact hare]

Ah ye, they even put their tongues out of the beak, they look so thirsty

[left nacelle]

I definitely wouldn't say effortlessly. If that were the case, they would barely ever land

[swift dew]

to add onto this you are speaking from experience, i mean your a blue bird

[left nacelle]

But budgies are different form soaring birds. Birds like vultures barely ever flap their wings and rely on thermal updrafts to stay aloft, which is exactly what ptera's gonna do. It's essentially a vuture who eats fish along with carrion

[left nacelle]

Exactly, so it's impossible to argue against me

[turbid mauve]

i jus noticed u have a cocktiel bird as ur profile

i useto have so many of those

[left nacelle]

Yeah lol, that was my old bird

[turbid mauve]

but they escaped and i have no more

[left nacelle]

Oh, sorry to hear that

[turbid mauve]

verma is the only budgie i have under my care

[left nacelle]

But anyway, back to The Isle before the mods smack us, Ptera may seem like it doesn't have much stamina for flying, but that's just cuase it isn't meant to be constantly flapping it's wings

They're even gonna be adding thermals later on that'll allow you to gain altitude without using stamina

[valid elk]

Wanna point out that real Pteranodon is a better flier than any bird alive.

[turbid mauve]

wat about quetz u expert spill the tea

[left nacelle]

I feel like that's a bit of a stretch, but yeah irl Pteranodon had a different lifestyle to The Isle's pteranodon. But they're two different animals so

[valid elk]

Quetz was a better ground walker than Pteranodon...and runner. Not that Pteranodon was slow, mind you

But when it came to flying, Pteranodon was basically a albatross.

[left nacelle]

Irl ptera was an albatross but The Isle's ptera is a vulture that also eats fish

and imo, the vulture playstyle is a lot more interesting gameplay-wise

[valid elk]

Not that I've been well versed in Quetzal, mind you.

[turbid mauve]

i just just know that I will be unbound to the isles issues present when i get to soar freely and be happy 🤓 beyonce moment on "be happy" -is my aspiration in life

[valid elk]

Why do all three have different reactions when all of them are part of the same idea?

[left nacelle]

Cause people are reacting to them individually, rather than all as one idea

[valid elk]

It is rather odd.

[left nacelle]

Like the second picture is scary so people said ""

[valid elk]

True...

@barren zephyr That's a fan thing, lad.

Made by Nova.

[barren zephyr]

Is it still being updated?

[left nacelle]

Also titanoboa isn't fully confirmed and we don't have a definitive size for it. We also don't have a definitive size for quetz

[barren zephyr]

Are you sure? I thought Titano was official. But thanks for informing me.

[icy lion]

novas made charts with styraco as well

[barren zephyr]

Where are they?

[icy lion]

they were posted in isle discussion, youll have to search as im on mobile and cant link posts

[left nacelle]

It is official, but it's one of those things that they'll add "if they can" since it's a really tedious animal to make, especially if you want it to look good

[barren zephyr]

Aight thanks.

[left nacelle]

Also the actual image link you posted is likely outdated since according to Imgur, it was posted in August

[barren zephyr]

It's the only animal in the category of "likely but not official" right?

[left nacelle]

Idk, I think styraco is in that category too iirc. Cause from what I know, we haven't gotten full confirmation for it

[barren zephyr]

I thought that punch had said he's no reason why it's not coming.

[left nacelle]

Same with dakotaraptor, plateosaurus, and rugops. Since punch said they'll "likely" reuse the old models they have, and those 3 all have really old models, so does styraco

[barren zephyr]

i'm pretty sure Dako was scrapped. For Utah.

[left nacelle]

It's probably confirmed, but I'm a little hesitant lol

Dakota has an old model tho, and punch said it'll likely be reused. Even if it's just a dlc skin for utah or something

They might even do the same thing styraco, make it dlc skin for diablo

[barren zephyr]

Alright that's cool. Diablo and Sty seem a bit to different to be DLC Skins

[left nacelle]

True, but I couldn't think of a good example lol, too tired. A styraco skin would probably work best on trike (but it would be kinda big) or pachyrhino, but pachyrhino will be more blunt and styraco would be more bleed so

But yeah, that image you posted is a little old. I know you can find one that has ptera in it, but idk if there's an updated one that has every animal in it at once

[barren zephyr]

Alright thank you. Quick question, in your opinion is Mosa likely?

[left nacelle]

Maybe. It's already in the game's lore, as Dondi said hyper spino is made to either hunt or eat mosas (can't remember if it was made to hunt them or if it's just fed them) But if they were to add fully aquatic animals, I think mosa would be the most likely out of any of them

[barren zephyr]

Alright that makes a lot of since. Thanks for the feedback!

[turbid mauve]

wat is we talkin bout?

[left nacelle]

Np, glad I could help

Random stuff lol

[barren zephyr]

There will be many fish eaters

oh and why the fuck do you think sucho is an exclusive fish eater?

It likely does go onto land to hunt animals like tenos and stuff

like Baryonyx

Sucho uses its strength to defend itself mainly

it has the power to hunt terrestrial animals

and lacks the mobility to hunt

it has big fucking claws

[barren zephyr]

does it?

[barren zephyr]

and what good are those claws when it cant catch its prey

well what do you say about carnotaurus

it has a worse turning circle than sucho

[barren zephyr]

its fast small tier hunting guy

you can attack by suprise, you know that

[barren zephyr]

Are you going to act like carno isnt the fastest dinosaur in the game?

[barren zephyr]

Sure sucho CAN hunt, but you're better off using any other carni then him

[barren zephyr]

technically yes if that prize belongs to Galli.

[silver zephyr]

this argument makes no sense, from a balance standpoint sucho is gonna have to be faster than apexes, does this also imply apexes cant hunt because they lack mobility?

[barren zephyr]

yes

A rex does not run at speeds faster than a sucho

[barren zephyr]

Sucho lacks in mobility in general, it can still get away from apexes

Does mobility = speed now?

Because to me it doesn't

[silver zephyr]

[barren zephyr]

spinosaurs are just generalist predators

[barren zephyr]

what does that have to do with anything

its a game

"Its a game".

[barren zephyr]

and

That argument is for those unable to think.

Actually I might go into dms and start ranting at you for existing on this damned server

[silver zephyr]

Anyways, the point is that Sucho can hunt. Will it be super effective? Probably not, but it can still do so.

[barren zephyr]

Yet you have no counter argument

Look. Despite being bigger than bary, sucho still eats meat in addition to fish. It CAN overpower smaller herbivores.

[barren zephyr]

It lacks the MOBITILY to catch them

it does not.

[barren zephyr]

Of course sucho can hunt, but its main source of food should be fish it gets from wading

[icy lion]

dondi himself compared sucho to a grizzly bear, take that as you will

[barren zephyr]

Grizzlies are not obligate piscivores.

[swift dew]

sucho is a fisher who can defend itself on land, and personally I think sucho should be slower than apexes, as it can just run into the water to escape

[barren zephyr]

They will eat meat, too

[icy lion]

oh i know, thats why i brought it up lol

sucho isnt gonna be slower than every single herbivore it sees

[barren zephyr]

btw sucho is about as bad at swimming as any other regular theropod.

[icy lion]

its size alone gives it agency to hunt

[barren zephyr]

and?

[barren zephyr]

Sure its big, but that size is used to defend itself

[swift dew]

who cares, the isle can make it good at swimming if it wants

[icy lion]

and to also hunt prey if it wants to lol

[barren zephyr]

All spinosaurs should have webbed feet

wading works for sucho

besides spino is the swimming spinosaur

[barren zephyr]

No ones stopping you from hunting land prey as sucho, it would just way harder then if you picked a normal carnivore

[icy lion]

like i said, it isnt gonna be slower than every herbivore so "mobility" is a non-issue

[barren zephyr]

Heard of "niche partitioning" before

[barren zephyr]

Explain?

[crude girder]

oh dang what's going on in here lol

[swift dew]

whats bary then? the dryo speed spinosaur? you will just get a bunch of land barys

[icy lion]

theres nothing wrong with it being more than capable of hunting red meat. it wont be an obligate piscivore by design, and allowing a more diverse diet not only provides more player engagement but also makes sense for the animal itself. its why soup brought up the skeletal, outside of the skull, it has no real adaptations for swimming or fishing. it does have big fuckin claws, and long legs. theres no reason it should be so slow it cant hunt anything whatsoever

[barren zephyr]

Sucho and bary could hunt in different habitats or regions of the map

[icy lion]

and asking it to play only defensively is flawed, not just from a gameplay standpoint but from a "human player" standpoint as well

[crude girder]

Oh I see, Sucho and Bary hunting land animals as well as fish?

[barren zephyr]

their size may have a role to play, as well as perhaps their claw structure

[icy lion]

ye

[barren zephyr]

Sucho lacks the mobility needed to hunt effectively, and making it mainly a land hunter is boring

[icy lion]

how does it lack mobility?

[barren zephyr]

Sucho has the generic recurved spinosaur "meathooks", while bary has elongated claws which may be more prone to snapping.

[crude girder]

I mean makes sense, hell Bary was even found with Iguanodontid bones in its stomach iirc

[icy lion]

and "boring" is highly subjective

[crude girder]

Sucho only lacks mobility in Legacy, the Evrima animations could be made far faster

plus what would be boring is only have 1 food source when you could have many

[icy lion]

plus, evrima sucho will hopefully be closer to its much larger irl size

[barren zephyr]

Then this may prompt different feeding strategies or prey items. Simple.

[barren zephyr]

acceleration

turning

On the slower side of non apex carnis

[icy lion]

and you know it will be bad at these how?

[crude girder]

This is based on Legacy, which won't transfer over

[barren zephyr]

It's a guess and how I would design sucho

[crude girder]

We cannot know how agile an animal will be until it is in

[barren zephyr]

I never said that's how sucho is, I'm just saying it SHOULD be like that

Can't name a time were I said otherwise

[crude girder]

It's just as likely we get a comparatively quick moving Suchomimus designed to be a 'master' of both land and water

[icy lion]

so its an opinion. our opinion is that it should be capable of hunting some prey. not some all-around excellent predator, but we dont want it to rely mainly on fish

[barren zephyr]

how I would design sucho
Yes, how YOU would design it, not the developers

[icy lion]

for the most part, the way you were talking about suchos agility made it sound like you were stating a fact, when you werent

[swift dew]

anky has left the chat (I know this is about sucho)

[barren zephyr]

Not sure how this is relevant to the argument

please leave dio

come back when you know a little more about properly debating.

[crude girder]

rude Soup

[silver zephyr]

what even is the argument, it sounded like yall were stating definite facts and now its opinions

[barren zephyr]

Just not sure how it being a opinion is relevant, of course its a opinion

[silver zephyr]

[barren zephyr]

Still, sucho isnt exclusively restricted to hunting in the water.

[barren zephyr]

It should be

[swift dew]

especially if it isnt getting good swim speed (though I think it should)

[barren zephyr]

and austro still has potential to be a wading fisher despite sucho and bary (multiple heron or egret species do coexist)

[crude girder]

It's relevant because an opinion based claim is far less stable in an argument than a fact based one, so there's not much of a discussion that can really be had if it's all opinion based lol

[barren zephyr]

Because?

[icy lion]

because its his opinion i guess

[barren zephyr]

Because you want to make a cool dinosaur look like trash?

[barren zephyr]

leads to more unique gameplay

[crude girder]

List of things that will be in water: Deinosuchus

List of things that an adult Suchomimus doesn't want to encounter: Deinosuchus

[barren zephyr]

No it doesn't if plenty of other fauna will be fishing.

[icy lion]

and my opinion is that restricting it to fish wont be fun or unique whatsoever

[cyan flame]

Even if the sucho is slow, or whatever other issues it may have, you can still hunt critters. There are people who successfully "ambush" things with trike in legacy after all. Or utilize fishing until someone else has had a fight, and scavenge/bully/clean up afterwards. If you're around rivers, with mud for wallow, you might have a decent chance at running into things that want to wallow, and get yourself a kill there, that you can defend thanks to being near the water (as long as no deino shows up at least).

[barren zephyr]

I have reasons to think what I think, its not like I'm just saying "its my opinion lol" to counter everything

[barren zephyr]

^

[swift dew]

we can extend this list to add spinosaurus

[barren zephyr]

Source?

[barren zephyr]

look at the list of creatures

[icy lion]

source? source is the isle roster. there are other piscivores. 2 are in the next update

[barren zephyr]

what list?

[crude girder]

Also I don't see how more options = less interesting gameplay

[barren zephyr]

the roster.

[barren zephyr]

the roster of what?

[icy lion]

this is why we dont like talking to you dio

[barren zephyr]

use your brain

[barren zephyr]

None of them fish how I want sucho to fish

[swift dew]

ptera, deino, spino, bary, austro. that is quite a few fish eaters and im probably missing some

[silver zephyr]

bary, ptera, deino, austro, spino, sucho, beipi

[crude girder]

The game's confirmed roster contains several animals that could be taken out by a Sucho

being both slow and small enough to be fair game

[icy lion]

yup, ty ful

[barren zephyr]

7 fishers.

[barren zephyr]

All of them are pretty unique in how they fish (at least in my ideal isle)

[silver zephyr]

[crude girder]

See what makes an animal more interesting and special imo, is giving them more options, not less

[swift dew]

take minmi for example, no way is that little guy outrunning you, and you are gonna overpower it easily

[barren zephyr]

Beipiaosaurus dives, Pteranodon skims, Deino is an ambush predator, Baryonyx and Suchomimus are generalists and Austro may be a wader and potential plunge diver akin to a heron

[crude girder]

Like why force Rex to only be able to eat Ceratopsians if it could catch and kill Hadrosaurs as well

[barren zephyr]

I never said sucho shouldn't be able to hunt AT ALL, it just should be influenced heavily to wade more then hunt

[crude girder]

Probably will be anyway based on diets, don't need to transfer that to stats

[barren zephyr]

Suchos diet should mainly be fish and mid sized herbivores

[crude girder]

Remember that the diet system is going to be a thing, and will likely play heavily in to what eats what

I can agree with that, it lacks the size to deal with large/apex herbivores

[barren zephyr]

generalist? explain?

austro could likely swim and crane its neck down to get at fish below.

[barren zephyr]

Thats cool, it should be great at diving to

[crude girder]

Bary and Sucho are big enough to be able to muscle down land based animals, and will likely be fast enough to pull off an ambush if they're smart

[barren zephyr]

Give austro tons of options to fishing, it should be the main fishing dino.

[barren zephyr]

not being restricted to fish and also exploiting carrion, and some terrestrial animals

[barren zephyr]

I agre

perhaps up to the size of teno.

[swift dew]

with a treeline close to the edge of the water, it would be pretty easy to ambush anything that wanted to take a drink

[barren zephyr]

horrible idea

At that point why not just name it water utah

[crude girder]

Teno is much smaller than Suchomimus tho?

[icy lion]

i believe soup is still talking about sucho

[crude girder]

And hell even Bary would be able to do a decent job tbh

[barren zephyr]

Oh really? Thought he was talking about austro

[icy lion]

he was explaining generalist, and continued talking about it

[barren zephyr]

brief question

are you dyslexic?

not being able to understand the topic all the time

[silver zephyr]

[barren zephyr]

what do you mean?

[crude girder]

Nah you don't need to be dyslexic for that Soup lol

[barren zephyr]

or are you deliberately straying away from the topic

[barren zephyr]

Example?

[barren zephyr]

ok so its probably deliberate

[crude girder]

Eh not necessarily

[barren zephyr]

Not sure how I'M the one straying away from the topic here

[icy lion]

there are many times we are having a conversation, and you will ask a question that was explained about 5 messages prior

[barren zephyr]

Must have missed it or was asking it so I could reply with a counter argument and provide a more direct answer

[icy lion]

or times in which you ask when youve said something even if it was your previous message

[swift dew]

anyway, sucho could probably catch an asortment of small herbivores, such as taco and minmi to name a couple (this is just speeds in my head and I have no idea how fast they are going to be)

[barren zephyr]

what do you mean?

Tenontosaurus is arguably a perfect prey item for sucho

[crude girder]

Sucho has the power to take things up to Maia pretty easily imo

[icy lion]

overall a lot of people get the feeling that you dont properly read our messages or arguments, or the conversation (i dont mean this in an insulting way at all, just an explanation)

[barren zephyr]

Doesn't sound relevant to the current topic

[barren zephyr]

It may not accelerate quickly enough to prevent getting bitten or slashed to death.

[icy lion]

[swift dew]

i also think they have mentioned the fact that teno is going to have food in swamps, which would also help the sucho cause

[barren zephyr]

Teno should have slightly better acceleration then sucho, just a random guess

And as far as I am aware, sucho might potentially be able to carry a tenontosaurus.

well at least acro can

maybe with its forearms rather than its jaws

[barren zephyr]

How?

Sounds hard to animate without looking stupid

[swift dew]

anyway, isnt this off topic of what was mentioned in #general-feedback? better take this to #401464048610312195 or just quit the conversation all together

[barren zephyr]

well how would you carry something heavy?

[coral grotto]

Will haching at a nest give/have benefits vs just spawning in?

[urban flax]

Maybe. Anyway you'll have the benefit of having parents as soon as you spawn

[barren zephyr]

free food (until they decide to ditch you to live out on your own)

obvious exception is if you are a pack hunter

[odd sedge]

Or if the parents get too hungry and just decide to eat their babies

I get the argument Finish Update 3 before 4
But why are you complaining? It said that the animators are done with their work on update 3, so why shouldn't they start with update 4? Makes it go a lot faster

It doesn't make the process for update 3 any slower, as far as I remember.
Because someone, who works on animations probably doesn't also work on coding and bug testing.

[barren zephyr]

Mhm.

Might as well get ahead of the game

[odd sedge]

^

[barren zephyr]

Animators are getting their update 4 work ready, so update 4 will come out a little bit earlier

[urban flax]

People don't understand devs in a team don't have all the same job

[coral grotto]

Or the same expertise, in my robotics team i make the PCB and structural design and my friend codes the ai. I could not Program the robot.

[glass mulch]

wHy dON't tHE ANimaTORs woRK oN bUG fiXING?

[earnest perch]

@barren zephyr The animators have finished their tasks on update 3 and no longer needed there. So they have startet on update 4

[coral grotto]

An animator can't debug code

[barren zephyr]

Oh ok then.

[barren zephyr]

Didnt read that the animators are workin on update 4.

I see it now

Didnt complain tho.

I was just confused since it seemed like they would work on somethin new before getting the old one done. (Cough cough archotek project COUGH) I simply misunderstood its fine. Thanks for explaining.

[urban flax]

@fallen path You don't even bother to make a proper repost. At this point you must be trolling

[safe galleon]

skins shouldn't change anything at all in terms of stats and should purely be cosmetic imo

[ionic arch]

When we get temperature system might as well have snowy dinosaurs like Nanuqsaurus or Yuty..?

[urban flax]

We don't need any more dinosaurs

And we don't know if temperature is ever gonna be a thing, nor if there is gonna be snowy maps

[ionic arch]

First they confirmed temperature system

second more Dinosaur for more diversity

And I remember them saying that there will be 30-50 dinosaurs in the game (correct if it less)

[urban flax]

Yes there will be 50 dinos
That's way enough

[ionic arch]

Wait I am trying to say that in the 50 there could be something like Yuty or Neovenator or Eotyrannus

[urban flax]

I think we already know what the 50 planned dinos are, and they don't include yutyrannus or nanuqsaurus (additionnaly I think yutyrannus didn't even exist if I'm right)

[ionic arch]

But it's just a suggestion

[urban flax]

If you didn't want to talk about it, you should have told me so earlier

[wintry monolith]

@odd sedge Cold blooded dinos can stil be warm and radiate heat

[urban flax]

Are there any cold-blooded dinos ?

[left nacelle]

Deino

It's not a dinosaur, but it's a dino in The Isle so

[urban flax]

I know I was joking 😛

[strange wave]

@swift dew @odd sedge its possible that the temp system was entirely in reference to deinosuchus basking, its probably cold blooded exclusive, meaning only mega, deino, and boa will use it, or atleast use the full system

[left nacelle]

Oh lol

[left nacelle]

It likely is, since Dondi said in the past he doesn't want a full on temperature system for the dinos

[urban flax]

That's why I said that we didn't know if there was gonna be a temperature system ever

Honestly I think it's better that way, unless it's something basic and easy to manage

[urban flax]

@barren zephyr I fear Herra would be too big to nest in trees

[pure fulcrum]

same here

isnt it like utah sized?

[barren zephyr]

I don't think it would be to big. Especially if there are unusually large trees.

[pure fulcrum]

oh wow its smaller than i thought actually

and since when is rugops that fucking small

yeah i could see it work now on some larger trees

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, before I saw this chart I honestly wondered how well it would even be able to climb.

[urban flax]

Eagle are most of the time too big to nest in trees
That's why they nest on cliffs
And they are like 10% of a Herra's weight

[barren zephyr]

Herrera wouldn't have to stay in the nest it could just be the eggs and hatchlings as they learn to climb. Also I believe that at least some of they Trees in Evrima will be able to support massive nests. The species of eagle I showed also specifically nests in the tropical jungles of brazil and such regions. I'm gonna assume that by nests being to big for trees you mean for golden eagles....? Because I have personally see nests of Birds such as Bald Eagles positioned atop dead pines.

[urban flax]

Well there are exceptions
There's also the problem of baby herras not being allowed to move
I assume they won't be able to climb from their birth

[barren zephyr]

In the hatchling stage at least I don't see most animals straying far from there nests. Although once Juvenile it would be likely that they could easily move through the canopy. (They also could have exceptional fall damage.)

[urban flax]

We gotta see about that

[barren zephyr]

Indeed. But I believe that Tree Nesting could be highly functional if adapted into the game properly.

[odd sedge]

The parents would be forced to care for their offspring and carry little chunks of food up to the nest. I think that could work

[barren zephyr]

I think that most animals will be doing that anyway, so yeah!

[odd sedge]

Make Herra babies heavily depended on parents (if nested in the trees) and make their hatchling time short and their juvenile hood / pre adulthood longer, since the climbing ability is pretty much needed for their playstyle

I'm not talking long just longer compared to the hatchling span

[odd sedge]

Hell yeah, I love mountain goat Pachy

[left nacelle]

@zenith onyx If that was added, it would be hard for large predators to get food. As soon as someone hears the ambiance go silent, they'd just run cause they'd know a large predator is nearby

[zenith onyx]

This wouldn't happen if you were in crouch

[paper oriole]

ambient insects going silent or birds taking off should only happen when something large is just walking/trotting, roaring or running. crouching is supposed to make you LESS noticable not more

[zenith onyx]

i edited my suggestion

[paper oriole]

so ya not crouching just the walking running in suggest

[paper geyser]

i agree with the suggestion

krow suggested something similar a while back and it was really popular

it's a great idea to add horror without much work

[paper oriole]

i mean as a merc especially it'd be pretty spooky for all the crickets to just go silent as a pack of dilos surrounds your group and you know shit is about to go bad

[zenith onyx]

o.o

[paper oriole]

bit generic horror movie but hey there's a reason it's generic it's because it's actually spooky

[zenith onyx]

ima go edit my suggestion some more

[paper geyser]

it would make sense too, birds wouldn't want to be all loud when a massive predator is walking by

[left nacelle]

I don't really agree with it. Sure it would be kinda scary, but there's a lot of issues that would go along with it. Like if the ambiance goes silent, then you know you're about to get attacked, which would kinda ruin the horror aspect after a while

[paper oriole]

eh only if the predator isnt sneaking

so you still wouldnt always know

[left nacelle]

Birds would definitely call out while a large predator is nearby, since they know they can fly away and/or the predator can't reach them

[paper oriole]

the anticipation of an attack can make it spookier

[left nacelle]

It makes it spookier at first but after it's happened multiple times, it loses the effect and essential just becomes a signal to run

[paper oriole]

not really a bad thing since that also happens irl if predators arent doing a good job at creeping up

[left nacelle]

Just like how in legacy, when you first hear a t.rex roar or hear its footsteps, it's pretty scary. But after a while you get used to it and just run instead of actually being afraid

[paper oriole]

if you decide to just stroll up to your target carelessly you should be ready to lose it

[zenith onyx]

if your crouching as these predators though, the ambiant noises wouldn't roll away though

the point of the crouch is to be silent, and get as close as possible to prey, then attack right?

[paper oriole]

it can also be used to set traps if you can get the target to run in the opposite direction into an ambush

dont really see too much issue with this myself

[zenith onyx]

so if your crouching, the ambiant noises wouldn't roll away because the birds/insects don't know your there

[left nacelle]

But if the ambiance only cuts out when they're running, then their footsteps would be even easier to hear, making it easier to escape from them

[paper oriole]

yeah if theyre running they obviously arent being sneaky anyway so boo on them

[left nacelle]

Plus if they're sneaking up on something they'll likely only run for a few seconds before catching their prey, so the ambiance cutting out for a few seconds would be odd

[paper oriole]

not really again that happens irl

[zenith onyx]

bingo

[paper oriole]

when you walk past a garden and the bugs there go silent for a few seconds, it isnt that odd

[left nacelle]

That's different. Those are insects, not birds in a forest

[paper oriole]

instect ambience could cut from walking+, birds would require more activity

like the running or roaring

[zenith onyx]

when predators are crouching nothing knows they are there, but when come out of hiding. any animal in the area usually go radio silent after the prey as been caught

[paper oriole]

would make them take off

[left nacelle]

Birds barely ever go quiet. They usually only go quiet when an aerial predator is around, like a hawk or eagle, cause those actually pose a danger to them

It would make more sense if the birds took off if an apex started running. That I can get behind

It would look cool from a distance too

[paper oriole]

that can work

[zenith onyx]

Think about it this way, big rex is walking through the forest and is making the ground shake. the ground is shaking. what grows out of the ground? trees. These trees will be affected by the shaking, causing the birds to go radio silent

[left nacelle]

It would be more likely to make the birds take off

If I'm in a tree and I can fly, and it starts vibrating, I'm not just gonna shut up, I'm gonna fly away, expecially if the vibration is coming from below me

[zenith onyx]

either of them could work

but why do that when calling already launches them in air?

[safe galleon]

loud noise is spooky

[left nacelle]

Because it follows the same logic

I'd be much more scared if all the birds around me suddenly took off than I would be if they just stopped making noise

[zenith onyx]

taking off just means that something is loud next to them. Shaking would just cause them to be startled, but it wouldn't cause them to take off.

[left nacelle]

No, it definitely would cause them to take off

[zenith onyx]

show me

[left nacelle]

Show you what?

[zenith onyx]

I've never seen a bird take off just because i shook the tree

[left nacelle]

That's different

When you shake a tree there aren't loud vibrations accompanying it

If a tree is vibrating and there's loud stomping nearby, the birds aren't gonna stop calling, they're gonna get out of there

[zenith onyx]

no because how would that scare them?

[left nacelle]

Because that actual tree itself is vibrating

[zenith onyx]

but that wouldn't scare, that would just cause them to be quiet. I've seen it happen. I saw a flock of starlings land on a tree. and really big bulldozer was digging near the tree. The tree was literally wobblinh

the starlings just went quiet

Starlings never shut up

and only 2 or 3 actaully took off

[safe galleon]

show me

[left nacelle]

Okay? But that's not very scary gameplay wise. Again, it would be more scary if the birds flew away, and it would look better from a distance. Plus animals in the distance would see the birds flying away and know a predator is there, which would make messing up as an apex even more punishing. And the code to make the birds fly away is already in the game. It's a better alternative overall

[zenith onyx]

i understand your point

[urban flax]

I have a counter-argument to all of this
Even a rex probably wouldn't make the ground shake when walking

[left nacelle]

Yeah it definitely wouldn't irl, but they do in game

[zenith onyx]

^^

[urban flax]

they do in Legacy*

[left nacelle]

True, but it's all we have to go off of so it's better to assume for now

Since we haven't really heard otherwise

[urban flax]

Well that's right
as for ambience going silent in these situations, I'm mixed

I love the idea of birds stopping their chirps and insects stopping buzzing when a big predator is around, but that may hinder gameplay, and can also get boring for the predator if they can never hear birds singing

[left nacelle]

Hence why I think birds flying away is a better alternative

But only when the apex is running

[zenith onyx]

eh birds would start singing again if the predator sat down and didn't move again for atleast 30 seconds. Birds are quick to get back to singing

[urban flax]

Maybe birds flying away and ambience going silent should happen only when a dinosaur is calling or when two dinos are fighting ?

I'm not sure even a rex running would be enough to make birds fly away

[left nacelle]

But then how do you decide whether something is fighting or not? It's a little hard to define that from a game standpoint

[urban flax]

But if it starts beating the shit out of something else, then yes

when a dino deals damage to another dino I guess ?

[zenith onyx]

maybe it could work like this, while walking, birds would sing, during trot, birds would go silent. And if the large predator is running then the birds would take flight?

[urban flax]

meh

[zenith onyx]

because then they'd get to hear the birds

[left nacelle]

Maybe? But thgen you still have the issue from earlier, apexes would never get to hear birds

[urban flax]

people never walk

[left nacelle]

and they likely won't stay still very often

[zenith onyx]

if trotting or running sorry

[left nacelle]

Walking is slow af

It would just be a waste of time

[zenith onyx]

eh rex usually gets around by walking anyway

[left nacelle]

No it doesn't

People trot like 95% of the time

[urban flax]

humans go around walking
Do you often see players walking instead of running in rpgs ?

[zenith onyx]

trot is basically walking, just slightly faster

[left nacelle]

But it's not walking

[zenith onyx]

but that's beside the point

[left nacelle]

And it's much faster than walking

It's not beside the point, it literally isn't walking

[urban flax]

You're saying birds could go silent when players are trotting. People always trot.

[zenith onyx]

in evrima, they upgraded how fast everything walks right?

[urban flax]

no

[zenith onyx]

actually they did

[left nacelle]

Waking is still slow. Trotting and running are fast

[zenith onyx]

utah walks a whole lot faster then it does in legacy

[left nacelle]

Still slow af

Remember default movement is trotting

If you hit Z, that's walking

[zenith onyx]

also remember that some people like taking it slow while playing.

[left nacelle]

But no one walks

[zenith onyx]

i do

[left nacelle]

Well that's you

No one else does it cause it makes you go no where

I walk every so often, but not when I'm trying to travel

[zenith onyx]

I'm just saying that the option should be considered

[left nacelle]

I don't think it should, cause then apexes would never hear birds

[zenith onyx]

again, while walking they'd hear birds. And rexes walking speed will probably be increased just like everything else

[left nacelle]

I doubt it. It would defeat the point of walking. Trotting will always be the better option

[zenith onyx]

So players would get to hear birds, and they'd get to travel at a nice pace

that's your opinion

[left nacelle]

But why walk slowly when you can trot?

Like it just makes the game harder cause you're going everywhere slowly

[zenith onyx]

ima go finish growing my trike

[left nacelle]

Okay then

[tawny juniper]

Also, If you are near in a forest and shit just goes quiet, You know something is up

[coral grotto]

i wish they wood stop teasing us with more and more pics

[left nacelle]

How about I tease you with this then

[barren zephyr]

if they did that
Hype would die down
People wouldn't be engaged as much

[coral grotto]

[ionic arch]

Snow map

Snow Dino

[barren zephyr]

yutyrannus

[ionic arch]

Snow ambience

[ionic arch]

Snow Ambush by that deadly creature

[barren zephyr]

yes

[ionic arch]

Imagine if it's come to The Isle as a playable dino and not a feathered skins for Allo

[barren zephyr]

yeah

[ionic arch]

If skins ever come

[left nacelle]

Temperature system =/= Snow

[ionic arch]

I think I am over using the temperature system as an example, like in the general chat when I asked it to Punch

[ionic arch]

And hypothermia

If not warmed enough

[left nacelle]

I was saying that a Temperature system doesn't mean we'll be getting a ton of snow related stuff

[ionic arch]

But with a feathered creature like @barren zephyr use as an example

[left nacelle]

And Dondi said in the past that he doesn't want animals to be harmed by temperature

[ionic arch]

Then they'll survive cold winter/snowy map

[paper geyser]

temp system could literally just be "it is raining, you are now cold"

don't overthink it

[ionic arch]

Uhmm then how is temperatures systems confirmed if..

[ionic arch]

Yee that a good idea

[left nacelle]

Just cause there's temperatures doesn't mean that you'll be harmed directly by them. It could just mean that hot temperature = water drying up and stuff like that

[ionic arch]

Yee that a good example

Anyway let's just wait and see what it's is

[left nacelle]

Which would make sense, since we won't have snow and stuff on a tropical island

[ionic arch]

Wait

[paper geyser]

unless

[left nacelle]

Any snow we would have would be up on mountains and stuff, since tropical islands don't have proper seasons

[ionic arch]

This probably mean a snow map (hope so)

[left nacelle]

Maybe kinda sorta. We do know we'll likely get biodomes tho

[ionic arch]

Yee Red wood biome

[left nacelle]

So there'd be a big dome and once you go inside it's cold and snowy

[barren zephyr]

biodomes is very likely

[ionic arch]

Desert Biome

[barren zephyr]

biodomes would fit with extreme environments that you wouldn't see in warmer climates

[ionic arch]

Since temperature system is something they are adding there gotta be a dinosaur related with it

I hope

[barren zephyr]

maybe

[strange wave]

@ionic arch as i've said before, temperature system doesnt mean anything like snow or deserts, in all likelihood its merely a system for deino, mega, and titanoboa because they are cold blooded

[haughty cliff]

@barren zephyr I don't see anyone having responded to your suggestion, but just as a heads-up I think it might be a language barrier issue? (Idk, maybe it's just me but-) I couldn't really understand what you were suggesting at all, it might be worth rephrasing or checking with someone before maybe reposting the idea

Just in case, like, you were wondering why all the emoji responses were confusion.

[simple igloo]

@brave rampart "the last one" 0_0

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr slightly larger than hypsi

[barren zephyr]

Cool thanks!

[strange wave]

wrong, its between hypsi and dryo, thats a big size range

[barren zephyr]

lol

I said slightly larger @strange wave

I wasn't giving a full-on size range
just a simple answer to what the devs have said

Why is Homalo such much more popular than Preno? I mean they're the same thing right?

most probably as Prenocephale is basically a smaller pachy

the devs want to bring variety to each playable

(and yes, there will be overlaps with some playables)

Sorry but what do you mean by overlap?

some animals will have similar features

Oh, well yeah. Thanks for the clarification.

eg. Stego and Kentro

both having impaling abilities

So in other words similar/related species can have similar abilities.

yes

not always, but yes

👍

[feral wedge]

@dire robin Don't chat in #general-feedback

Chat here.

[dire robin]

OK I am so exited

[icy lion]

@rancid gladeyou can only play on the stress test servers in the qa branch

[haughty cliff]

(that's not really for Feedback, but you're on the wrong version for other/empty servers; Punch has said they're actually full) @rancid glade and @austere nest and @rocky iris

[craggy pollen]

The game isn't letting me connect to either of the stress test servers. I'm on the QA version of the game.

[haughty cliff]

They are full

[icy lion]

currently theyre all full

[craggy pollen]

Rip

[rocky iris]

i'm not on the wrong version, im in the QA branch

[haughty cliff]

that was re: "now we can't join any other servers even if they are empty" - it's b/c they're not QA

[austere nest]

im on the QA branch

[icy lion]

all the stress test servers are full

@dawn rivet refer to the above

[dawn rivet]

But i enter in Server test not full

[icy lion]

the stress test servers are so stressed theyre not showing the proper population count

additionally you can only play on the stress test servers in the qa branch, you wont be able to join any others

[dawn rivet]

Ok

[icy lion]

@vague trout refer to the above

@barren zephyr #830660455487373352

[vague trout]

@icy lion Thanks!

[paper oriole]

Feedback channel sure is a disaster lol

[icy lion]

@rough sentinel #830660455487373352

[dawn rivet]

do not enter with you on any official server, even those that are empty

[rough sentinel]

Anyone know how long this will be up for

[icy lion]

@nimble kernel if you're on the qa branch, you can only join the official stress test servers

[barren zephyr]

@nimble kernel that is because people are joining servers too fast lol

[nimble kernel]

oohh

[icy lion]

and yea, all of the stress test servers are full

[nimble kernel]

lol

[icy lion]

@runic merlin refer to the above please c:

sometimes the stress test servers say they have room when theyre full, too

theyre being joined so quickly that the population doesnt show correctly

[runic merlin]

Ah okay

Was worried my comp was actually starting to die

[nimble kernel]

lol still cant get in

[mint vessel]

tfw admins tell you to mute the channel but you did and @ everyone still pings you

[icy lion]

in the discord server settings, select "suppress @ everyone and @ here"

[mint vessel]

I still want to see notifs for big announcements.

Since they also don't use a role for big announcements

[icy lion]

the beta test is temporary, so the only option is to turn them off for now. not sure why this server doesnt have roles

[nimble kernel]

^

is NA 5 coming up soon?

how are more people joining but i cant ?

[mint vessel]

yeah that's why i made the suggestion so they would make the roles one day

[dawn rivet]

and a misleading advertisement because even on the empty server of zero people I can't get in

[icy lion]

theres a lot of people all trying to join the server at once, sometimes it sadly comes down to luck

@hidden zephyr try changing your max pings/minute setting in steam, there is no region lock on servers in the isle

[hidden zephyr]

Ok thanks

[icy lion]

@barren zephyr theres a fix for the escape button issue in #830660455487373352 , youll need to scroll up a little

@faint flicker the fix for the escape key i mentioned above will also fix the airbrake

[nimble kernel]

so how does the skimming work, i keep trying it but it doesnt seem to skim and only attack

[urban flax]

You're probably pressing the wrong button

[icy lion]

hold right click to skim

[nimble kernel]

i uhm

im an idiot

thank u guys

[icy lion]

all good! its new :P

@dawn osprey sadly theyre all full, the devs are working on opening new ones

[cedar pulsar]

yeah, this was bound to happen

[urban flax]

Well that's the goal of the stress test after all

[paper oriole]

People either forgot how to read or don't know a bug report channel exists

Or both lmao

[icy lion]

@boreal plover #830660455487373352 has a fix if you scroll up

[icy lion]

@nimble kernel did you press h to get up, or did you use the movement keys?

[nimble kernel]

ohh its designed that way, ya i did press w

[urban flax]

Wait, how come there are other servers than the officials that have players in them ?

[icy lion]

not everyone swapped to the qa branch

[urban flax]

Oh so when in QA branch you can still see player count of people playing in older versions ? Ok then

[random imp]

Sorry, tought i was in Discussions lol

And thank you for the answer anyway 😄

[barren zephyr]

aww servers are full already ;-;

[barren zephyr]

@livid mortar
the servers may seem to be empty by number, but because of the large amount of people wanting to go in.
The player count doesn't count

[livid mortar]

im trying to join even 0/130 player servers man im desperate i just want to try out the new dinos

[barren zephyr]

are you trying to join a Stress Testing server?

[livid mortar]

yeah

[urban flax]

If it's 0/130 then it's not a stress test server
They're all capped at 75 players

[barren zephyr]

the servers aren't easy to get in
and yes, what bubbles said

[livid mortar]

oh so i just need to be lucky ok then ty

[barren zephyr]

@random imp If you have a bug, you can report in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 🙂

[haughty cliff]

is it me or is early ptera flight really not viable?

I'm almost out of water and haven't managed to get away from the spawn point as ptera rofl, the baby flight is really awful

[vast wolf]

your probably a fresh spawn aka a hatchling. lucky you can even fly when you spawn. birds cant fly for a while, pterosaurs probably could.

[haughty cliff]

Yes, but i'm at 1/3 growth, so i mean all young ptera

[vast wolf]

basically just use the jump takeoff then glide

[haughty cliff]

the mechanics are kind of awful too, it keeps dropping me back down or cancelling the takeoff

(for the sprint)

so far the ptera gameplay has been laying down waiting on stam most of the time... deino seems loads more polished

[vast wolf]

keep in mind as a baby ptera your supposed to be weak and have a much less easy time than an adult. just use the in place launch and get some height then glide around.

think of it like an albatross. launch up get height then glide.

[haughty cliff]

yeah, getting somewhere high was what was taking ages

i feel like they should have more stam to get started, or it should cost less

[vast wolf]

it could be ag or latency related but it dosent seem that hard in all the streams. your just small so you cant get a lot of height before you run out of stam.

[vast wolf]

@lilac cosmos @austere venture check #830660455487373352 the reason you cant join is because the servers are full even if they dont display it properly. people are joining so fast they are causing the servers to have some issues.

[lilac cosmos]

well i guess this excuse is pretty valid, and probably means i won't be able to play me and my friends. This was an exciting long waited update and now that i want to try it too the developers are not able to let everybody play, thank you very much! Guess its the old saying the majority beats the minority this game doesn't include everybody and all the community but just the majority of players get to play... the rest don't.

[hoary ocean]

@wintry monolith use this channel to respond to feedback please

[barren zephyr]

guys i cant fly and idk why 😦

[paper geyser]

@weak elk that isn't very good feedback

[random imp]

Was about to write it myself

[paper geyser]

the developers can't do anything if you can't find good community servers anymore

also, talk in here, not there

[random imp]

That's not very useful feedback dude

[weak elk]

I have been talking in there and nobody was answering

[random imp]

Go talk in discussion then

[paper geyser]

because it's a channel for feedback. It's discussed in here

[silver dagger]

What version are you playing on @weak elk

[safe galleon]

yeah cause you're not supposed to talk in there, it's for suggestions and feedback

[weak elk]

We can move to #401464048610312195 If that's better

[paper geyser]

no that's for regular conversations

[random imp]

I mean that is the chat you are supposed to use for "Discussions"

[paper geyser]

you put feedback in #general-feedback, then discuss it in here

scroll up and you'll see

the reactions are for people to show their approval/disapproval with it

[weak elk]

I see, I'm running 0.1.62

I used to be a server that i think was called "pangaea" with 200 slots, was always busy. But seems like every server I going is moderate choas.

[silver dagger]

Is that legacy? I'm not entirely sure what the numbers correspond to, but I assume it's not regular EVRIMA or the stress test qa branch.

[random imp]

Stress branch is 0.7

So it really is not evrima or stress branch

[shrewd yew]

looks like NA 1 crashed

[silver dagger]

So assuming you're looking for good realism legacy servers, I'd suggest moving to evrima for now and just wait till there's some good ones with rules. The game kinda regulates itself in evrima at least, but there should be a few with minimal rules that aren't too bad. Once the community is all on one branch, there will be way more servers with niche rules to cater to everyone I believe.

[haughty cliff]

@static steppe deleting theisle folder in appdata/local fixed the Z not working for me (you need to have some stam)

[static steppe]

i will try that

even if i had a lot of fun crashing on the ground

[haughty cliff]

just bear in mind you'll need to mess w/ graphics settings again!

[static steppe]

?

[haughty cliff]

When you delete that folder it resets your graphics settings--that's where they are saved

[haughty cliff]

@cerulean marten the ptera 2-call is its beak clacking, like a Hornbill bird

[molten tulip]

Most people can't join a server rn, there's just way too many people trying to join

By the time your computer has pinged all the servers all the slots have been taken up

Its not a bug or something the devs can fix

[cerulean marten]

keep in mind that people are growing deino's for 5 hours so yeah spots stay on hold for a bit

[safe galleon]

@glad briar that is your connection to the server

[north sentinel]

@plain valve @muted spoke You might be able to find help in #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 for your issue. But please make sure you respond here next time instead of the actual feedback channel.

[muted spoke]

Oop sorry Harriet, thank you for the help !

[dusky violet]

is the growth accelerated rn or does the ptera just grow fast?

[hexed reef]

If I can't look down without dropping down while flying as Ptera, then what was the point of holding ctrl to fly down?

Ah damn, I posted it here cos genfeedback disappeared

[proven sandal]

Hey Devs, im unable to enteder BR1 stress test server. I think it might have something to do with the fact that the server is now on version 0.7.59.03 and my game is updated to 0.7.60.01. I thinks that is why i cant enter the server

[sharp bough]

Tried 4 servers and all have ended in the same, stuck in the sky any fix for that? xD

[compact hare]

you have a bug that apparently has no fix NOW Im sorry
The devs are already working on a type of "hotfix" for the beta to fix these bugs and performance issues
dont worry, it will be here in no time, just wait a few days or who knows, a few hours :)

[kindred flare]

@radiant warren they are full. there are so many people trying to get on your best bet is to go for a 20-30 player server

[sharp bough]

ah no worries

[radiant warren]

thanks my guy!

[inland linden]

Eu 7 is suffering from massive lag, everyone is frozen

[urban flax]

@austere venture The goal is only to get servers full

And I don't think they have unlimited servers

[austere venture]

welp i made it in

cus the server just got restared

6 iam talking about

[somber marsh]

Is it just me or is petra stam not regaining at all?

[safe galleon]

@somber fjord have you switched to the beta version? also if you have those empty servers are not updated, all updated servers are full

also what is planted?

[somber fjord]

its been 20min that I try I join any of the services but its plant

[safe galleon]

what do you mean by plant?

[somber fjord]

instant return to menu without arriving in game

[safe galleon]

yeah, they're full

[somber fjord]

no, I tested even vacuum, even teutonic, all the plant serv

[safe galleon]

yeah those aren't updated as I said before, only the officials are

[brittle ivy]

@queen monolith Your best bet is to ask in #401464048610312195 as the #general-feedback is for leaving suggestions/feedback about the game instead of asking questions.

[somber fjord]

well the official crashes even when they are at 70/75 .. why they have not opened serv 150/150 the map is immence

[safe galleon]

because of performance issues

[brittle ivy]

@queen monolith Discussion and direct response to someone’s post within general feedback is to occur in here, thank you. Please do not converse in #general-feedback.

@zinc wind It means the server is full, the refresh cannot keep up with the amount of players trying to enter the server. Also, please post questions to #401464048610312195 as the feedback channels are not meant for questions. Your question will now be removed as per my last message in #general-feedback just above your post.

@queen edge Please do not converse in #general-feedback

@plain valve Please post bug reports to the form provided in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞, thank you!

[paper oriole]

It's no use, people just don't read channel names, descriptions or continuous reminders from admins that they are in the wrong channels lol

Honestly it probably wouldn’t hurt to put a big slowmode on or just lock feedback for a day because actual feedback and suggestions will be getting buried by people complaining about DCs and stuff regardless

[brittle ivy]

This doesn’t work with the number of different individuals coming in to converse. Moderate is in our name, it’s a simple enough task to do. Please don’t worry about it c:

@narrow hearth It means the server is full. I will be removing your question from #general-feedback as questions are suited for #401464048610312195

@timid crow Please provide this bug report to the form found in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞, thank you.

@broken rain Please do not discuss/reply in #general-feedback — use this channel instead!

[wintry monolith]

@solar trail eu 1,2,3 and na 1,2,3 are the only ones on newst uppdate

[broken rain]

@brittle ivy will do sorry

[solar trail]

@wintry monolith are u sure?

[brittle ivy]

All good

[solar trail]

@wintry monolith what are the others for then?

[wintry monolith]

yes i know

[wintry monolith]

on the old beta version

[solar trail]

thats dumb

[wintry monolith]

havent restarted yet

[solar trail]

225 spots on stresstest is nothing.... specially on such a big and highly anticipated patch

[wintry monolith]

if you can uppdate all the servers to newst and get equpminet for more go for it

[solar trail]

but why would they stresstest anything other than the new patch? doesnt make sense

[brittle ivy]

The developers will be able to address server issues later in the day, they are currently resting after having worked 16+ hours setting up all the servers.

[mild vapor]

when do deinos become sub adults

[night idol]

are there any tips on how to join the servers? ive been doing this for like 45 minutes and my game has crashed twice

[brittle ivy]

Please ask questions in #401464048610312195

[plain atlas]

Need, more, server !

[brittle ivy]

Just keep trying, really. The stress servers are under heavy load with an enormous amount of people trying to join them.

[mild vapor]

no one will answer 😦

[brittle ivy]

No one likely knows, then

@honest ether Please reply to suggestions/feedback in this channel instead of #general-feedback, thank you.

@neat hamlet The issue lies in so many people swarming all available stress test servers for a chance to play. The developers are aware and will make attempts after this brief resting period to provide a better player experience upon their return. We thank you for your patience!

@wind comet The slot refresh is having difficulty keeping up with the huge number of players swarming all stress test servers. If you’re sent back it is because the server is full, I’m afraid.

[tawny juniper]

might be worth it to just put a huge slowmode on #general-feedback for the time being

[neat hamlet]

I really figured it might have been something like that, but then I noticed I couldn't get into the empty servers and was worried it was something else. But it's been made clear that the other servers aren't even the right versions. O:

[brittle ivy]

That does not do anything for slow influx of individual posts, only mass frequent posts.

[wind comet]

@brittle ivy I get that, but even with only a couple people in the server I get kicked out.. so I don’t think it’s just that

@neat hamlet exactly! I can’t join ANY server even if no ones in it

[brittle ivy]

The server is likely 75/75 and not reflecting it on the server list, unfortunately. None of the servers are close to empty at this time unless the server itself is failing/crashing.

[neat hamlet]

@wind comet Yeah but most of those servers aren't the right versions

Only the stress test servers are the right version and you can't join those due to the overload

[wind comet]

I guess I’ll just hop on BoB for the next few days.. lol

[neat hamlet]

I figured I'd give it a break as well

[brittle ivy]

If a server is on a different version than the version you’re playing (found in bottom right of main menu) then you’ll not be able to join that previous version server.

[keen timber]

Stresstest servers seem to be crashing hence not being able to log or if you log, not play.

[wind comet]

Got into one! ...but the lag was terrible lol

[barren zephyr]

wait

QA branch doesn't save the dinosaur ?

i played deino till 30 ;-; but it's gone

[brittle ivy]

If you played before the tiny patch was applied, server wipes did occur.

[barren zephyr]

oooo

it's ok

60/75 but still can't fits in .-.

50/75 tho..

WAT

I CAN'T JOIN ANY Of these

it keeps kicking me out

[wheat igloo]

@glossy tiger if you need help finalizing the download, try to seek help in #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧.

[glossy tiger]

thx

[wheat igloo]

@sacred narwhal do you possibly have the coordinates to that cave? May be helpful to get a screenshot of them in the insert menu

[brittle ivy]

Also, please provide it as a report in the linked report form found in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[sacred narwhal]

Anyone also able to free me haha

[wheat igloo]

We don't have admins on the stress test servers :(

Also, @barren zephyr please refrain from discussing in #general-feedback. If you want to say something do so here please.

[barren zephyr]

oh ok. no problem

[wheat igloo]

👍

[hoary ocean]

@rotund crag #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 for that

[rotund crag]

Apologies! I did not notice I could post there. Thought I was only allowed to click the link.

[barren zephyr]

New waterways are very nice!

[safe galleon]

@frail dawn global chat is disabled in the beta

[barren zephyr]

Noticed an odd glitch where when sitting in shallow water sometimes the deinosuchus will just pop its head above water. Kind of a weird bug but just wanted to mention it cause it’s messing with my ambushes

[molten tulip]

@severe field @little nexus there are 6000+ players trying to join 1275 server slots. You're getting kicked out because of how quickly the servers fill; in the time your computer has pinged the server, the spot has already been taken

Its not a bug, its just the fact that there's literally not enough space

[little nexus]

Thanks. I did suspect that. I might try again later.

[safe galleon]

@compact forum it's in #announcements

[compact forum]

@safe galleon Oh okie Ill go have another look thanks!

[safe galleon]

you know how to switch to evrima right? just do that but instead of chosing evrima or legacy you chose the quality assurance

[severe field]

The na server was at 40 out of 75 the first time i tried

[molten tulip]

Yeah but for every free slot theres also like a thousand people trying for it at the same time

The slot numbers are also only accurate for the second it was pinged, so by the time you see the server the slots are all taken

[compact forum]

Ya haha ive been trying for a hot sec now haha

[hoary ocean]

@hollow quail keep the chatting in here please

[hollow quail]

@kind parrot about the dinos colors. spend a small amount of you time reading what is planet in the Roadmap - Update 8

[olive wing]

Cant even enter a server, damn they need a queue so badly

[flat crypt]

@fathom idol tap space as you skim above the water to stay out of it, you naturally slowly descend as you fly otherwise. dont need to tap a lot, find the right balance

I found it pretty easy to catch fish once I got the hang of that aspect

[fathom idol]

I know, got a hang of it later on, but by then I just didnt catch any fish and I starved 😉

I tried 3 different fishing spots (bubbles/rings in the water) went down for a scoop but got nothing.

[flat crypt]

It's not that difficult, you just need to figure out how it's done. Not rubberbanding like mad helps a lot too lol

You do need to be pretty low to the water from what i noticed. Basically your entire beak should be submerged

[fathom idol]

That might have been the thing then, I kept on going too low and went swimming 😉 But I think the camera needs to be adjusted a bit for fishing, it clips trough the texture at the end if you keep the cam at the back of the animal.

[weak elk]

Anybody else occasionally just fall out the sky when flying pteradon and pressing Z. I just dropped like a rock as if I was asking?? Bug???

[olive wing]

@fathom idol how are you even able to even get in a server dude, been here for hours just even trying to join one

[hoary ocean]

Please use #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 for issues regarding the game

[fathom idol]

Dunno ^^ Friend of mine had the same issues, was trying to get in for over half an hour and got kicked out every time 😉 Guess I got lucky.

[olive wing]

Adding a queue would be perfect to solve this issue, it’s just so many people are trying to join at the same time

@glass mulch while I do agree, but that would solve issues within the game already, but those who have spent hours just trying to join one server just to experience the update for even a second, laggy or not, to me is a greater importance.

[nimble kernel]

hey what was the small update?

for quality assurance

[barren zephyr]

To alleviate some issues.

[nimble kernel]

ahh ok, do you happen to know if the glitched water in the middle of the map is fixed??

[compact forum]

awh i got booped off the map

how can i get back on the same server if i didnt se

[nimble kernel]

do you remember what server u were on?

[icy lion]

@shrewd juniper @slim wing if youre in the qa branch, you can only join the stress test servers, and theyre currently full

theres also an issue with the stress test servers not displaying the proper population count

[slim wing]

Oh okay, yeah one said it was like 55/75 so i tried to join it and it wouldnt work lol

[shrewd juniper]

Ahh, dang. Yeah, I'm in QA trying to join the stress test but no dice. That makes sense. Thanks Super.

[molten tulip]

👆

[barren zephyr]

#830660455487373352

They addressed some stuff there

[icy lion]

@dreamy wharf thanks for the feedback! a lot of people have been having issues with the running takeoff, it can be a bit weird to use. im not sure if automatically launching will be something the devs will consider, but we definitely need to look into how easy it is to use. on that note, standing takeoff works 100% of the time every time (unless youve got that bug where space doesnt work :s )

[dreamy wharf]

Ye.

I just wanted to mention it

Because me and abunch of friends were like

"I THOUGHT THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE STAM EASY ONE"

Which, seemingly in most cases for us, was the pole vault.

[icy lion]

yea, i almost want to tell punch to swap those

running takeoff is ok if you want to get distance from something or if youre already running on the ground but thats about it

[dreamy wharf]

Ye.

I just honestly wish it was moreso tied to your sprint key?

So all you're doing is literally running and then hitting space at full speed.