If it's a semiaquatic, why can't it swim like others and use a special ability instead ?
#general-feedback-discussion
urban flax
odd sedge
What I could see is the ability to float like a duck and water repelling feathers
brittle ivy
@sweet remnant @gray fiber Please converse about a suggestion/feedback in this channel. Thank you! c:
gray fiber
oh, sorry
brittle ivy
All good
wary sparrow
@sweet remnant That’s already a thing in evrima. You can rub Utahs off you with rocks and trees which stuns the Utahs for 2-4 seconds
sweet remnant
I think It’s kinda buggy at some points and sometimes doesn’t work properly.
An having an animation might be pretty cool for it.
brave rampart
It's already in the game
barren zephyr
Look I loved the isle before I played so much but now this game is so trash there are no dinos so many bugs they released the game way too soon
zinc anvil
Look I loved the isle before I played so much but now this game is so trash ther...
evrima is a early alpha beta not a full game
paper oriole
snf snf i smell a repost
odd sedge
And I thought I was having a deja vu
brave rampart
*snf snf* i smell a repost
It is 
paper oriole
my nose never fails me
barren zephyr
@proper radish i love your idea and just to nit pick a little but i don't think Deino will be affected that much by strong currents but all in all love the idea
proper radish
<@!261898991376138250> i love your idea and just to nit pick a little but i don'...
That's fine by me. 👍
zealous violet
im glad you liked the idea! :3
silver zephyr
@still raptor punch said it was just scurrying up the tree not proper climbing, although I'm still eh on it
still raptor
Yea
I just don't like a 700 kg animal scattering up trees
It would make since if it were a juvie
proud coral
It weighs 500 now
barren zephyr
@fiery vector
Eta's bring deadlines to the Devs- they rush. They create crap (look at Evrima's launch)
The devs want to work at their own pace, creating quality over quantity
still raptor
It weighs 500 now
Still. Herrera is 175kg and it makes since. 500 kg is still too heavy imo.
barren zephyr
also, this update is taking long because they've showed two juxtaposing mechanics into one Large update.
All updates after are planned to have relevancy over the whole update- everything will 'link' and have some purpose with each other
proud coral
If it's really clumsy at it I can see it being fine. Maybe. Not really against it nor do I fully support it 
brave rampart
I doubt its implying Utah is arboreal, but that it uses trees as a method of escape if there are no options available
paper geyser
so it's partially arboreal
tawny juniper
@still raptor Or maybe the utah can only climb shorter, Thicker, Dead trees
Because I think thats what the concept art is trying to display
analog ingot
Not really tbh since utah dosen't live in trees, lmao, but u know players be players, could exploit that and bring up food to snack on or use as chill spots like they're doing on rocks. Utah being what 500kg? its quite heavy, lions are about 200kg and can go up trees but they also are quadruped a.k.a built different.
Maybe Utahs stam would have to drain almost down to the bottom by the time its up if it jumps up like that.
Im no experts in weight and stamina, and we might never know how much a utah could handle, heck if it even jumped as high as it does in game..
Again these are heavy jp-inspired so gravity, stam and weight might not matter anyways in this case.
analog ingot
It may not look like it but its actually quite high
swift dew
perhaps climbing utah could be a perk that takes alot to get, so you could climb decently as a utah (nowhere near as good as herra) but it would be pretty slow, and its only use would be to evade things like carno, it would also make you weaker in other areas since you didn't get those perks
paper oriole
God imagine all the utahs that will be sitting in those trees barking and afking like they do right now on the rocks
RIP Hypsi lol
still raptor
It's just a bad gameplay design imo
swift dew
did i miss something? i dont think hypsi was ever supposed to be arboreal, they just gave it a big jump and players realized they could climb trees
still raptor
did i miss something? i dont think hypsi was ever supposed to be arboreal, they ...
It was.
barren zephyr
did i miss something? i dont think hypsi was ever supposed to be arboreal, they ...
it's suppose to climb trees, however the devs aren't wanting to work on any tree climbing mechanic until Herrera is out
analog ingot
It as a perk sounds boring tbh and dosent make sense, rather have it as a default thing than a perk ability idk
swift dew
ok, forgot about this
still raptor
Perks shouldn't allow new abilities to exist.
barren zephyr
Perks shouldn't allow new abilities to exist.
if not, it should minus something from that playable
still raptor
It's a terrible idea that allows for more specific niche gameplay and can invalidate other playables.
barren zephyr
Perk = Climbs tree -> can't run fast (or something down that linke)
swift dew
the "minus something" would be you miss out on the perks that actually help the animal, but its there for people who really dont want to die to carnos
barren zephyr
Kryat, how do you want perks to work?
swift dew
or want to play the game much safer
analog ingot
its like having a perk allowing u to eat turtles, heck no, thats so unfair lol and should be default
still raptor
Perks should help the dinosaur but not invalidate other playables. This also shouldn't make perks stackable like in BoB.
barren zephyr
Utah climbing trees won't invalidate Herrera (imo)
analog ingot
Tbh still kinda confused on perks so wont go too much into it
barren zephyr
Tbh still kinda confused on perks so wont go too much into it
we've had little to no words about the mechanic
just the trello board (mainly)
analog ingot
the only thing I can remeber is punch saying something like, a perk to eat ur own but u get red eyes. so eh, also thats not comfirmed btw
still raptor
Other than just you can unlock them by growth milestones ofc.
And help diets and elders
barren zephyr
the only thing I can remeber is punch saying something like, a perk to eat ur ow...
didn't dondi say that a few years back?
still raptor
that's for cannibalism and iirc it's scrapped
analog ingot
yeah
barren zephyr
yeah
analog ingot
So, have to wait for perk news
barren zephyr
yep
so we got to wait for Update 3 to be released
than hopefully we get some info
still raptor
Yea
tawny juniper
God imagine all the utahs that will be sitting in those trees barking and afking...
You could potentially knock down those trees if big enough
barren zephyr
well Magy
barren zephyr
yes true
if they ever do make Utah able to climb trees.
I'm going to get a bunch of Magy players, and knock 'em off
turbid mauve
i just finished my hw, 🤓 . what we talkin about?
still raptor
Well, the new utah concept, then perks, then magy?
paper oriole
pachy could be a frrugivore in general probably, not just being confined to coconuts
proud coral
That sounds neat. I just really like the idea of it ramming into coconut trees 
tawny juniper
if they ever do make Utah able to climb trees.
I'm going to get a bunch of Magy ...
Well I don't understand why it would only be magy
like if your bigger then a magy it should also work
barren zephyr
yeah obviously
I could easily imagine brachi being able to knock down trees. Including any other sauropod in the game
paper oriole
utha moment
keen vapor
@sweet remnant Thats allready in the game
kindred flare
@arctic turret velo and other small creatures dont wight 500kg though and are more equipped for climbing trees. Utah doesnt have the build for that
And its not as simple as "why not" or "Its a game who cares" because why can't deino fly if thats the case? The answer, it breaks the immersion. Just like supersonic magy does, utah climbing a tree breaks the immersion to an extent. Utah is supposed to be in packs if it get caught out on its own it cant do much, if so utah is still much more agile than carno. Just use that and sprint into forest, around trees/rocks or jumo onto something
arctic turret
yea srysry
ig there was a misunderstanding
i wasnt talking abt utah climbing whole trees
paper oriole
What's the heaviest thing climbing trees today? Black bears or something? Utah is too fat for this. Utah climbing even this much is kind of a “fuck you” to hypsis and other future smalls who deserve this ability way more than the agile and fast as fuck utah that can already perch on rocks
arctic turret
but abt the concept showing it scrambling up a slanted log
kindred flare
What's the heaviest thing climbing trees today? Black bears or something? Utah i...
Do you know how strong the front paws of a black bear are?
paper oriole
Probably strong as shit
arctic turret
ppl were freaking out abt it
paper oriole
They weigh less than utah though
arctic turret
i just thought it was weird
nO heRreRa hAs a MonOpOly oN clImBinG
plus literally like
i just saw this vid
isle news updates the goat😤 😤 😤
kindred flare
They weigh less but there paws are super powerful and allow then to do that, utahs legs are meant for running which is nowhere near pwerful enough to climb
paper oriole
Herrera shouldn’t be the only climber forever but it should be reserved for things that dont weigh as much as a grizzly bear
kindred flare
I guess that nakes sense, jn the concept it shoulve been a different angle then kind of hard to tell
arctic turret
nobodies saying anything abt utahs climbing trees tho
it just scrambled up a log
ppl freaked out
kindred flare
It looked like it. But, say it was like the log at center, wouldnt carno be able to follow it
arctic turret
mtn goat carno wen???
paper oriole
A log thats almost vertical, as long as it cant actually climb trees or some shit then whatever. Utah was more than fine without this though
arctic turret
like those horses in skyrim
brachi climbing to the top of spiro
i mean
gators do that so
arboreal deino??
paper oriole
arctic turret
urban flax
In the concept art, Utah looks more like it uses its momentum from running to get on top of the log. You know, like parkour guys or when cats just wall-run on vertical surfaces ?
steady lintel
Would be funny if the Utah could just scale any tree by gaining speed on individual branches and making its way up
maiden anvil
In the concept art, Utah looks more like it uses its momentum from running to ge...
It was kinda what I meant. Probably just worded it badly. Anyway, maybe this “utha parkour” could be a perk
urban flax
I've put an X because of the "latching" part
This is straight-out climbing, which I think Utah shouldn't be able to do
It really doesn't have the hands to grab and stay on a tree like that
urban flax
I don't know, I think it's a little smaller than a utah
maiden anvil
Could latch onto trees fit it better?
urban flax
Yeah, because it has longer arms and longer hand claws
maiden anvil
Very well, I hope herra could get something like my suggestion
broken thorn
@maiden anvil your Utahraptor tree latching animation thingy is gold😩
maiden anvil
<@359735545238257676> your Utahraptor tree latching animation thingy is gold😩
Why thank you
broken thorn
is very smooth
Yeah
maiden anvil
Thx!😋
wintry monolith
Denio is much bigger
odd sedge
Very well, I hope herra could get something like my suggestion
Yes please.
In my opinion Hera should be able to latch onto trees and leap around in them and even on bigger prey items from above
still raptor
Herrera will already latch on to prey from above
However we dont know if it can tree hop
odd sedge
I think it should tho. Because it makes no sense if A Hera can jump onto an animal but not on the next big branch
still raptor
I don't see a 175kg animal tree hopping. Maybe at younger stages of its life?
hasty dagger
Which is why Idk why people are using “iTs 500 KiLoS” as an argument against Utah “climbing”. If it can’t run up something, remove it’s jump and pounce as well.
paper geyser
jumping is plausible for utah, pounce also plausible, but those are in no way comparable to climbing vertically lol
still raptor
^
still raptor
Which is why Idk why people are using “iTs 500 KiLoS” as an argument against Uta...
This statemen completely makes utah unviable.
hasty dagger
It entails the same as pouncing, latching on to something, and Utah’s climb isn’t even using it’s limbs to try and latch on, just using momentum like a dog.
paper geyser
yeah, no. Physics would disagree
hasty dagger
I’m not saying Utah climb is something good, but the weight argument is bad.
paper geyser
a bipedal 700kg animal climbing a tree is not the same as a 200kg quadrupedal animal climbing a tree
utah has literally zero capability to climb trees, it makes sense that people would be confused/irritated at it doing so
odd sedge
I'm not suggesting a jump from tree to tree that is pretty far away and I don't mean jumping from branch to branch, which is on the same level as the player either.
I mean more like a little push away from the tree and basically catching a nearby branch as you fall
still raptor
a bipedal 700kg animal climbing a tree is not the same as a 200kg quadrupedal an...
Hell, it would be very difficult for even a 500kg animal doing it. (Which is Utah's new weight).
hasty dagger
Utah ain’t climbing, it’s just throwing it’s force and scrambling up like this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bTpoiGh06Kk
Herra will “climb” in the traditional sense, Utah won’t
paper geyser
try climbing a tree without wrapping your arms around it, you'll see that it isn't exactly easy, now account for the fact that a utah weighs 7 times as much as you and has its weight distributed in a much worse way
paper geyser
Utah ain’t climbing, it’s just throwing it’s force and scrambling up like this
...
yeah once again that works when the animal is quadrupedal and not 500kg
still raptor
Yup
paper geyser
not to mention low center of gravity
hasty dagger
But the animal still has strong ass limbs making it able to leap and hold on to a bucking animal in a vertical position, it’s not too hard to imagine it scrambling up something, at least in my opinion
paper geyser
the difference is that utah's claws are hooked inside the animal and so are its claws, and it's leaning forward into the animal. Utah can't do any of that with a tree
hasty dagger
Why not? We climb using footholds and cracks, Utah probably can too.
paper geyser
because any footholds and cracks would probably break under utah's weight
hasty dagger
Which still happens with us, and we push off of them.
paper geyser
what exactly do you think utah will do
look at how those dogs initiate the jump
then look at utah
even if the footholds breaking aren't an issue, utah simply doesn't have the anatomy to jump onto a tree like a quadrupedal animal
if it was going at any moderately fast speed it'd run straight into the tree before being able to go vertical
hasty dagger
I think Utah will be able to scale small vertical objects probably less than twice it’s height.
paper geyser
who knows at this point
overall i'm just unhappy with utah getting the ability to climb
still raptor
Honestly, it feels like the devs don't know what to do with these animals they've made.
hasty dagger
Understandable, everybody is going to have different opinions on it
crude girder
So Ptera skimming is fine, an act that would literally rip its jaw clean off, but Utah climbing is where y’all draw the line?
valid elk
Dunno why someone put repost.
still raptor
Maybe because you suggested it before?
crude girder
That would hardly be the first physically impossible mechanic in the game, and as others already pointed out it’s not like it just invalidates Herrera. That would be like saying you only get one flying animal, or only one swimmer, or only one animal with a charge ability, etc.
still raptor
Yea, I think I've seen that post before. Not sure. Looks familiar.
swift dew
i think climbing utah should be a perk, it wouldn't be good at it, but it would be an escape method for if you saw, idk a carno
valid elk
Could use WAIR
cyan flame
@crude girder I would make the same argument I'd make for Troodon, it's not really needed and sort of becomes too much for one critter (Nightvision, Venom, Mimicry, I've seen people say Ovi should get the mimicry, and let Troodon be fine with venom and nightvision). If you want other climbers, there are most likely others that doesn't have mechanics (though the usual seem to be "let it burrow") that might be able to do something similar. Utah has it's pounce, and that's plenty good enough I think.
I would imagine the reason it invalidates herrera is because it's simply stronger and faster and all (most likely at least), so even if a herrera could climb a bit better, why bother being one, if the utah can do it well enough, pounce from up there (as someone suggested at least) and otherwise is superior in "stats" and has the pounce as an ability. You can absolutely have more than one climbing animal, pretty sure people want Hypsi to be arboreal since it can already sort of do it, and that's with no specific mechanic, so no one is saying "can only have one animal with x ability", it comes down to the animal and how it works in relation to the others.
barren zephyr
Honestly, it feels like the devs don't know what to do with these animals they'v...
yeah this is true tbh
you could easily compile the roster from scratch, or ditch those in the legacy roster which aren't needed
carmine path
@swift dew droughts are already a plan but i am pretty sure they are seasonal
barren zephyr
The main reason why we have an oversaturated roster is too many similar animals, which is a result of Legacy
Baryonyx and Sucho are a prime example
Giga and Acro have a considerable overlap, too
I mean the former was planned as a skin
carmine path
Def not Acro Giga
barren zephyr
yes acro giga
carmine path
Absolutely not
barren zephyr
remove one of the two
proven moss
acro and giga are very distinct
carmine path
There is no reason to do so
proven moss
mainly because acro is trash for an apex
vast wolf
acro and giga are distinct in legacy because acro was turned into an ambush hunter and giga is able to run everything down.
barren zephyr
They have some skeletal differences, but they are very similar.
Serrated teeth, strong albeit short arms, long legs
proven moss
that has nothing to do with play lol
vast wolf
not to mention acro was never in survival in legacy.
barren zephyr
yes
vast wolf
originally carchar and giga were meant to be acro skins but giga was made its own thing.
barren zephyr
and I would happily ditch Giga since acro holds a bit more canonical value (it was planned as a Primal Carnage class) and is cooler
carmine path
This is subjective
vast wolf
what is? the fact that they would rather ditch giga?
carmine path
He wants to ditch dinos because some are cooler than others cause of similarities
vast wolf
that is subjective but its their opinion and nothing else.
vast wolf
He wants to ditch dinos because some are cooler than others cause of similaritie...
i would happily have velo become troodon and oro replace hypsi but it wont happen.
proven moss
giga should stay
barren zephyr
The other reason for ditching giga is because it seems too similar to acro
proven moss
it has a far more dedicated player base
barren zephyr
it has a far more dedicated player base
because it is on survival
proven moss
yes
vast wolf
on paper the only real difference between giga and acro is skeletomuscular
carmine path
Acro is a Apex Midtier along with Sucho it isn’t meant to outclass apexes in terms of strength
barren zephyr
Once acro gets into survival, well congratulations, it is time for intense competition between both factions
unless it is the point
vast wolf
acro has a thinner skull but is built like a tank where as giga is more general.
barren zephyr
Acro is a Apex Midtier along with Sucho it isn’t meant to outclass apexes in ter...
a mere fucking meter in average size does not make a difference
proven moss
giga can face other apex, acro gets obliterated if it doesnt get buffed there is no point in reataining it if you have to lose one
carmine path
a mere fucking meter in average size does not make a difference
What “meter”
proven moss
3.3 feet
vast wolf
the only way acro and giga wont be constantly fighting is if acro is an ambush hunter and targets different prey to giga.
barren zephyr
What “meter”
Acro is 11 meters long according to most reasonable estimates, giga is 12-13
carmine path
When did i suggest size?
vast wolf
a meter is a unit of measure equaling 3.3 feet and is used by most of the world
barren zephyr
the only way acro and giga wont be constantly fighting is if acro is an ambush h...
There is rex and spino to factor in
barren zephyr
When did i suggest size?
size tiers
vast wolf
Acro is a Apex Midtier along with Sucho it isn’t meant to outclass apexes in ter...
they are psuedo apexes.
barren zephyr
mid tier, large tier
No, Acro is not a mid tier, it deserves a go as a true "apex" sized animal
carmine path
I will have your head for the blasphemous word “large tier”
proven moss
large tier lol
vast wolf
extra small is things like troodon minmi and beip with small being something like utah mono or ava then psuedo mids are carno tenonto and kentro mids are allo alberto and maia psuedo apexes are para acro and sucho.
carmine path
Acro may be apex but he is bottom of his class
proven moss
Acro may be apex but he is bottom of his class
i played acro and got bodied by 2 dillos they truly are bottom
vast wolf
acro is in the same tier as sucho, a psuedo apex. not able to really compete with apexes or hunt apexes easily but way stronger than a mid tier.
vast wolf
i played acro and got bodied by 2 dillos they truly are bottom
lol must be a pretty bad acro then. you 1 shot them with bleed and you turn too tight to ride.
carmine path
acro is in the same tier as sucho, a psuedo apex. not able to really compete wit...
Acro is a mid tier hunter to keep them in line with his speed and bite
proven moss
lol must be a pretty bad acro then. you 1 shot them with bleed and you turn too ...
oh i am bad
vast wolf
Acro is a mid tier hunter to keep them in line with his speed and bite
thats legacy not evrima
barren zephyr
I still (a) hate Giganotosaurus and (b) you will not change that
proven moss
I still (a) hate Giganotosaurus and (b) you will not change that
you every played gig?
vast wolf
i hate giga players and i hate growing giga.
barren zephyr
you every played gig?
I have not set foot on legacy whatsoever.
carmine path
We can at least infer that acro will be something similar legacy
barren zephyr
I started straight away from evrima when I got the isle
carmine path
Soup-42 then why argue about getting rid of dinos when you don’t know their original differences in legacy
vast wolf
We can at least infer that acro will be something similar legacy
no we cant. acro will definitely change from legacy. it was not balanced for survival, was massively oversized and it was probably the second most cracked nonsurvival in terms of stats aside from herrera.
barren zephyr
Evrima will not be the same as Legacy.
barren zephyr
A fresh start, considerably different
Basing off a supposed promise of true ecosystems, then I would rather try make things fit together
proven moss
true ecosystems lol
carmine path
Did devs decide on tank acro or speed acro btw?
vast wolf
i dont really think anything should be removed as long as they can be made unique enough but i do think some animals were bad additions (troodon is velo with venom and hypsi is ory but viable)
barren zephyr
Basing off a supposed promise of true ecosystems, then I would rather try make t...
instead of just mashing together shit from legacy
vast wolf
Did devs decide on tank acro or speed acro btw?
nothing regarding balance on anything thats not on the roadmap yet.
proven moss
idk
proven moss
thick
carmine path
Chonk
vast wolf
that makes me think acro will be a tank
barren zephyr
Think of building a jigsaw like you are supposed to versus just putting the bits together and binding them with hot glue with no regard as to how they are arranged
carmine path
It def will then
barren zephyr
The former is evrima the latter is legacy
carmine path
Bad giga
barren zephyr
rex could probably cause bleeding damage
carmine path
Hell no
vast wolf
acro was only fast after the resizes in legacy. before the resizes it was about as fast as allo and para with about a quarter of their stam and could get trotted down by giga.
barren zephyr
I would rather restructure damage as a whole
swift dew
<@594297562601750548> droughts are already a plan but i am pretty sure they are ...
ik droughts are already planned, i just thought they could be used as a way to force people away from each other so we don't get another great falls
vast wolf
rex will do high base damage fractures if it clamps down on a limb and probably very light bleed.
barren zephyr
with a ratio between bite force and how serrated the teeth are/bleed, as well as where something is bit.
carmine path
If rex ever did large bleed i would 😑🔫
proven moss
ik droughts are already planned, i just thought they could be used as a way to f...
twins was terrifying in legacy that sounds great
barren zephyr
three-way damage determiner
vast wolf
real life stats arent a good way to balance a game.
proven moss
If rex ever did large bleed i would 😑🔫
rex is already way to powefrul for their cannon power
barren zephyr
If rex ever did large bleed i would 😑🔫
carmine path
TI is semi-realism for a reason
barren zephyr
real life stats arent a good way to balance a game.
how about you restructure the game to fit real life
vast wolf
how about you restructure the game to fit real life
saurian
barren zephyr
that exists
vast wolf
if you want a realistic dinosaur game play saurian.
barren zephyr
yes that is an option
vast wolf
they spent so much time and rescecourses on realism they have no gameplay.
proven moss
lol
barren zephyr
except it isn't full blown accuracy I am concerned about it is simply mechanics.
Well lets start off with "fuck legacy logic"
Ditch anything you have learnt from legacy.
carmine path
Bro
barren zephyr
evrima and legacy are not the same
vast wolf
legacy combat is not really helpful for evrima. mostly you want to hit and run now instead of tanking.
proven moss
**evrima and legacy are not the same**
i hadnt noticed
proven moss
play on a good server and its fine
carmine path
legacy may be broken but legacy was cracked foundation TI was built on till they decided they wanted a new foundation “evrima”
proven moss
^^^^ this
vast wolf
yeah they did say they should have just made evrima back when their old programmer fucked up legacys code in 2017-2018.
carmine path
I will respect legacy and my Allo/Dilo Apex killing days
swift dew
the only thing you take from legacy and put into evrima is big dinosaur > small dinosaur in 1v1 combat (for the most part) and small dinosaur > big dinosaur in speed (for the most part)
carmine path
It was so fun killing apex as allo cause you were slower than most but just fast enough for a thrill, however that being said legacy exploits were pretty bad
Like stam glitching and sitting glitch
barren zephyr
Actually instead of building of legacy, it would be better to build off real life
vast wolf
allo has always caused major issues when its put into play.
this game is not going for realism at thats impossible to balance.
carmine path
All allo had to do to run forever was press shift ever so often and the momentum would carry em forward
barren zephyr
this game is not going for realism at thats impossible to balance.
again as I said before, it would be good to look at real life.
vast wolf
some things are realistic but the stats are not going to be realistic.
carmine path
again as I said before, it would be good to look at real life.
If deino stats were realistic it would kill everything in Evrima
quartz lantern
@night sand saying utah's can't climb trees because they have rocks is saying certain fish shouldn't be in lakes because they have rivers...
barren zephyr
If deino stats were realistic it would kill everything in Evrima
unless people are not idiots as to try and fight it.
depends on the age, too
and where the fight is
proven moss
<@!504743336192507904> saying utah's can't climb trees because they have rocks i...
noo
carmine path
You can’t make a singular creature unable to be killed
That is like the rex in legacy
vast wolf
i dont like the idea of utah climbing because it already has multiple tools to escape and its kit will just be overloaded which was something they used to define dryo.
barren zephyr
and for anky irl would be a good standpoint, because the dev team seems to be going for a speedy and not so devastating anky over an anky that can kill you and shouldn't mess with
proven moss
utahs are always unbalanced
barren zephyr
And how anky populations are controlled is simple
vast wolf
skull crushing and instant kills from similarly sized animals wont be a thing.
carmine path
i dont like the idea of utah climbing because it already has multiple tools to e...
Utah won’t be a climber more of running at a wall and forcing your momentum on to the surface and running up
quartz lantern
lets be honest though, if a utah scrambles into a tree, it's basically running from something taller than it which can reach them anyways
barren zephyr
the juvie ankies would be easier targets for predators
quartz lantern
just makes it so hypsi's can't sit there and spam you.
barren zephyr
skull crushing and instant kills from similarly sized animals wont be a thing.
because?
vast wolf
just makes it so hypsi's can't sit there and spam you.
thats what herrera is meant to do.
proven moss
lets be honest though, if a utah scrambles into a tree, it's basically running f...
no if you get bled or are low hop on a tree and they cant touch you
quartz lantern
that too, which, isn't a bad thing
barren zephyr
btw look at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWuB9Z8aMuU
irl dinosaurs were devastatingly powerful.
proven moss
yep
vast wolf
btw look at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWuB9Z8aMuU
thats not a fair comparason for the nodosaur as the armor is in a small very curved chunk and the bites are at an unrealistic angle
barren zephyr
fair enough
swift dew
irl dinosaurs were devastatingly powerful.
yeah we dont care about irl dinosaurs, we care about balance
vast wolf
also biting in the same place twice would be extremely difficult. not to mention large defensive spikes to keep the predator away if not injure it.
barren zephyr
yeah we dont care about irl dinosaurs, we care about *balance*
irl there was some balance
proven moss
yeah we dont care about irl dinosaurs, we care about *balance*
yes
vast wolf
irl there was some balance
yes in the fact that rex kills everything by scarring it shittless.
barren zephyr
While a tyrannosaurus has the potential to kill an ankylosaurus, it has a higher risk of getting hit in the ankle
swift dew
irl there was some balance
irl there wasn't a trex hunting half of this playable roster
carmine path
irl there was some balance
Ah yes the mighty allosaurus taking down every sauropod in sight very balanced
proven moss
rexes were likely scavengers tho same with dilos
barren zephyr
and also rex is slow, but so was its prey
barren zephyr
Ah yes the mighty allosaurus taking down every sauropod in sight very balanced
it would need to be in a big pack
carmine path
Like 4 at max
vast wolf
and also rex is slow, but so was its prey
rex could run most of its prey to exhaustion or could easily take it down with an ambush.
barren zephyr
Like 4 at max
Do you have any idea how fucking big an Apatosaurus or Diplodocus is?
carmine path
4 at max.
valid elk
We have Brontosaurus, a Diplodocid.
vast wolf
yeah i dont see allo being in a larger pack than 4 for this game and we have no evidence of pack behavior in allosaurus instead we know it canabalised and they fought fiercly.
barren zephyr
yeah the big al doc showed a pack hunting down a diplodocus, an exhausted sick one
valid elk
Which is still large, gonna take six individuals to bring down a full grown adult.
carmine path
4 allos in a pack at max maybe 5
valid elk
Oh, Allos?
barren zephyr
at this point you are getting abysmal
vast wolf
but then if the allos can be in a pack that large stego needs to still take down 3 of them minimum in most cases as it cant run
barren zephyr
you still need a decent ammount of allos to kill a full grown diplodocus
and this is why you would rather be hunting a smaller one in a herd
carmine path
Soup your arguments are flawed it is hard to argue with stubbornness when a community wants balance not realism
valid elk
We talking a Saurophaganax (big Allosaurus) or the small lads, like from Europe?
vast wolf
saurophagronax wont be in this game ever.
barren zephyr
Soup your arguments are flawed it is hard to argue with stubbornness when a comm...
the game is imbalanced because of a shitty roster, and poor sets of abilities for creatures
valid elk
Again, people argue it's just Allosaurus
vast wolf
max size allo thats still balanced for us is 2.8 tons.
barren zephyr
A rex should not be charging down stuff at 30 MPH, should it?
valid elk
No, it walks at 20 to 22 MPH, which is insanely fast for a large theropod.
still raptor
Make it 42
vast wolf
the game is imbalanced because of a shitty roster, and poor sets of abilities fo...
no most of the balance has a baseline issue of stats. then the mechanics come in or lack there of in some cases. the roster is not much of an issue.
carmine path
Make it 42
You tryna make rex a speed demon?
valid elk
"Running" would be more 25 mph.
barren zephyr
No, it walks at 20 to 22 MPH, which is insanely fast for a large theropod.
legacy or irl
carmine path
I hope a dilo hunts you down in legacy when you play rex @still raptor
vast wolf
our rex is still really fucking fast at 36 kmph in evrima atm. thats also because it has like 20 seconds of stamina and is meant to be an ambush hunter.
barren zephyr
because most reasonable irl estimates put it at 16 MPH
at least for large individuals like sue
vast wolf
mph =/= kmph
barren zephyr
and he said mph
carmine path
TI measure in KPH I believe
barren zephyr
yes, it does
vast wolf
yeah kmph is used for dinosaur speeds
valid elk
No, no, they put it at 18 for Sue when it comes to normal walking, hunting is power walking.
Or...was it 19?
carmine path
Gotta love the notorious utah power walk
vast wolf
power walking for sue could probably be like 25 mph then.
carmine path
True speed hunter
valid elk
Around 22 to 25.
vast wolf
Around 22 to 25.
my thoughts exactly.
barren zephyr
what is the latest info surrounding rex speed
vast wolf
what is the latest info surrounding rex speed
for what
carmine path
Soup balance over realism
valid elk
Which is insanely fast, it was way faster than Acrocanthosaurus, Spinosaurus, and Giganotosaurus. It also outlasted them when it came to endurance (could give Humans a run for their money.)
vast wolf
i have no clue as i dont care as much for tyrannosaurids.
barren zephyr
Hadrosaurs could likely stay on the run for a decent amount of time
vast wolf
Which is insanely fast, it was way faster than Acrocanthosaurus, Spinosaurus, an...
pretty sure giga ran faster but rex could just power walk things to death.
barren zephyr
though they might be worn out by a rex
But they are not defenseless. They can still bite, headbutt or kick with their forelimbs.
valid elk
T.rex was almost like a human when it came to hunting. Just walk shit to death after first attacking it.
vast wolf
^
barren zephyr
and irl predators have a low success rate anyway
barren zephyr
humans are an exceptions, but most animals have low success rates, and this likely applies to Tyrannosaurus
unique shell
Its amazing how so many people talk like they knew the trex his real behavior is more of a speculation then facts
vast wolf
if rex could ambush its prey and either kill it before it cold react or walk it to death it would have a decent suscess rate
funny enough leopards have a suscess rate above 50%
valid elk
That...probably isn't true, since we find countless Triceratops skulls and no bodies, buuut they were likely worse than humans when it came to success rates for hunting.
carmine path
I can only imagine running 10 miles only to see your predator slowly walk over a hill and see you exhausted
barren zephyr
Its amazing how so many people talk like they knew the trex his real behavior is...
Have you heard of biomechanical calculations based on living animals and the actual skeletons of dinosaurs themselves?
vast wolf
also this is getting more into #paleotalk
valid elk
Anyway
vast wolf
should move there before we get yelled at.
proven moss
funny enough leopards have a suscess rate above 50%
The African wild dog has a success rate of 80% which rank the African wild dog as one of the world’s greatest hunters.
unique shell
All predators prefer ambush over a straight fight becouse thats what gets you killed its its not just a trex thing
carmine path
#paleotalk
vast wolf
The African wild dog has a success rate of 80% which rank the African wild dog a...
yeah crazy animals.
carmine path
And so it continues
unique shell
Stop being so triggerd
carmine path
Man we gotta shift we went from Acro bad to this
night sand
<@!504743336192507904> saying utah's can't climb trees because they have rocks i...
You have some point, but don’t different types of fish like different bodies of water? Your certainly going to find different types of fish in rivers than in lakes.
Fish need water, they will go where there is a body of water suitable for them
paper oriole
It was a dumb comparison honestly
paper oriole
Because some fish do only live in lakes vs running rivers/streams and vice versa
Utah already has enough mobility
tawny juniper
I think they mean in general
As in freshwater fish
as a whole
For example a bass
idk
paper oriole
Using momentum to run up almost vertical trees like that concept is best saved for something like velo
urban flax
I have a counter-argument for Utah scrambling up trees
Since it's something that has a lot of mobility, it makes sense for it, in a realistic manner, to be able to go up trees
It has both speed and agility, that's all is needed to do that
tawny juniper
I don't think utah tree climbing is for mobility as much as just a place to relax, if I'm correct the utah is eating something in the tree. I think its supposed to be like a leopard
Like obviously it should climb the giant rubbery slippery jungle trees
But shorter dead ones make sense
paper oriole
Utah is already super mobile and can get out of reach of many things on rocks, it doesn't need more. You will have utahs just doing it to afk not just to eat
tawny juniper
And it isn't like it will have a constant source of food and water while it's up there
paper oriole
Like we have at docks and even in evrima already on the high rocks
tawny juniper
I mean
Utah being able to get on rocks isn't really a fair argument for it no being able to climb trees
Again it has to come down at some point
paper oriole
It has enough, i know the devs are obsessed with utah and it will get this regardless, but i still think it should have been saved for velo or something
tawny juniper
And maybe if your large enough you can break the tree
tawny juniper
It has enough, i know the devs are obsessed with utah and it will get this regar...
Velo could get it aswell
Maybe troodon
Could work well for both
tawny juniper
troodon being able to climb trees doesn't make velo unviable
It's not like the whole playerbase will be one or another
tbh I doubt many people will play velo
paper oriole
Hypsi and velo seem as though they will have no escape from utah or troodon if it also can just do what ever they do
Unless they can get out of sight with their lower speeds, guess they rely on their hunter not being able to keep an eye on them
paper oriole
Hypsi hs a jump that drains its stam after 2-3 attempts
tawny juniper
And I wouldn't be suprised if velo had it's own hiding/defense mechanic
tawny juniper
Hypsi hs a jump that drains its stam after 2-3 attempts
Hypsi will be able to climb
More arboreal ability, Just not ingame yet
paper oriole
If it gets fixed cool but atm it looks like it will be screwed. Is it climbing confirmed or just the speculation people were making before
tawny juniper
From what I understand, Hypsi will literally be able to have an animation or a way to climb trees
paper oriole
Because all i've seen is people saying it would be cool, if it's confirmed that's all nice but i haven't seen it
tawny juniper
I've just heard that hypsi will be able to climb
Idk if its confirmed
But it most likely will
Considering its supposed to be able to
paper oriole
Eh i'll just assumed it's fodder until it's actually confirmed. Its jump is shite atm and its spit is usually pretty useless defensively
tawny juniper
It is shown on top of a tree in the concept
art
I don't remember what the tree looked like
paper oriole
Because of its high jump
tawny juniper
But I'm pretty sure it was decently tall
paper oriole
Which is atm a shite ability
fallen path
What do yall think of my suggestion?
tawny juniper
It's not like they will just leave it's jump as it is
Evrima is very early in developement
paper oriole
Its high jump to get on to tree branches that glitches with the hitbox half the time and drains massive stamina
tawny juniper
If it's unbalanced it will most likely be fixed later on
paper oriole
If they fix it to be not garbage then nice but i havent seen anything confirming hypsi will be helped in that matter
paper oriole
Well no shit lol
tawny juniper
So if it doesn't work it will most definitley be come back to
If all a dinos abilities hardly help it, the dino will be buffed/nerfed as needed
paper oriole
But until specifics are confirmed then Its open for criticism
tawny juniper
For example there will almost definitley be a nerf on carno ram
People just use it for mobility
And too easy to turn
paper oriole
And hypsi being fixed so utah doesnt just annihilate it terminator mode with its vertical parkour isnt confirmed
tawny juniper
It's super unlikely the devs would leave it like that
tawny juniper
And hypsi being fixed so utah doesnt just annihilate it terminator mode with its...
Wdym
paper oriole
Eh i'll just keep my hopes low so i'm less disappointed if they brush it aside and happier if they fix it
tawny juniper
I extremely highly doubt they will leave it
They are working on adding new content, Not as much balancing whats already in
so when update 9 or 10 or whatever the last update on roadmap is out
I'll bet they comb back through the game
look at more feedback
etc.
glossy pollen
What do yall think of my suggestion?
I like that environmental concept. Some areas have low grass and others with really high/dense sections. To add to this, I think it would be cool if there little network of paths - almost like tunnels - within these areas for little guys to run around in. Dryo definitely needs this because right now it doesn’t stand a chance on the plains unless it’s modified into more of a gazelle with its doge/leap to gain more distance.
fallen path
I like that environmental concept. Some areas have low grass and others with rea...
thx
brave rampart
I like that environmental concept. Some areas have low grass and others with rea...
I'd honestly prefer being able to create pathways kinda like how bears do when they pass though a bushy area
After some time, the grass will rise back up to fill the pathway.
glossy pollen
That would definitely be preferable. And give an option for one of the small tiers to build their nest by making a grass dome. It would conceal their eggs and babies and protect them from the elements but would still be susceptible to trample damage.
fallen path
But the grass is meant to keep mercs out.
barren zephyr
My idea would be cool but it would take a long time cause of the birds animation stuff and it could be a idle or afk animation
odd sedge
But the grass is meant to keep mercs out.
I mean, I they can enter. But they'll end up eaten pretty quickly, because they can see nothing in there
fallen path
@odd sedge copied
odd sedge
I was adding my ideas/ what I want from it to your suggestion
That's why I answered your suggestion and put Adding to this at the beginning
I neither copied your text, nor the image you used to visualize it and neither did I say I came up with the idea, quite the opposite.
If it offends you, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to do that. I just wanted to show that I liked your suggestion and wanted to add some functions and uses for the gameplay, since you didn't write about any of those.
tawny juniper
The epitomy of intelligence
edgy harbor
@thorny lynx Grizzly bears do it all the time.
And they weigh around 1k lbs usually.
thorny lynx
<@!132698389090402304> Grizzly bears do it all the time.
They do not. They weigh less than 600.
edgy harbor
thorny lynx
Well, males can get very huge if they gorge themselves but I doubt they would want to climb a tree after being over a ton.
paper oriole
Adult grizzlies dont really climb
barren zephyr
Most males get up to around 600 pounds, females around 280-440 or so.
If I recall correctly
paper oriole
Yeah like herrera and utah
edgy harbor
Grizzlies have been known to climb
paper oriole
Herrera being a black bear and utah a kodiak
barren zephyr
Males weigh around 130 to 660, and females notably less at 90 to 170-180.
paper oriole
Yeah video game balance where utah is already mobile enough without this
Just give it to velo instead
tawny juniper
Utahs have entirely different body shape then grizzly bear
idk if that would change how it climbs
But I feel that its weight would be more spread out
Also
You have to realize how immesnly thick and tall that tree is
That isn't your average tree
that is a very wide tree
Compare carno for size
No doubt utah will not climb normal trees, Only these special large ones
barren zephyr
@thorny lynx
Utah is 500kg in game, also this game isnt meant to be hyper realistic
Also utah has VERY limited climbing, devs described it as scurrying up a small tree, herrea will still be the main climber
swift dew
<@!132698389090402304>
Utah is 500kg in game, also this game isnt meant to be ...
btw dio, 500 kilograms is 1100 pounds, but yes I think utah climbing should be a thing, but just to scramble up a tree to evade a predator
barren zephyr
btw dio, 500 kilograms is 1100 pounds, but yes I think utah climbing should be a...
I don't it should 'climb' a tree. More or less evacuate onto a tree if danger is present
Punch (i think it was punch) already said it would be more of a scramble to safety up a tree rather than a climb for a Utah. @crystal trail can you clarify please so theres no confusion?
Punchpacket #TeamFoszor — Yesterday at 08:30
It's less climbing and more like scrambling to safety, if that makes sense.
'Climbing' will be on a spectrum, as it seems
Utah climb = lowest
Herrera climb = highest (unless there is a better)
(all ability wise)
and anything in between, eg. Hypsi
strange wave
@barren zephyr pue is done, its model and rig cant be worked on anymore, best case scenario we get a pue skeleton somewhere on the map as an easter egg
barren zephyr
yes, bloody water would be a fine addition
and something I wouldn't doubt seeing it when update 5 (or whenever the gore update takes place) is released
left nacelle
@fallow lily Bad idea. Certain animals are being added at certain times for a reason. Adding something like trike right now wouldn't be fun cause it would have nothing to compete with and it would be nearly invincible unless you got a big group of carnos or something. And that's not even mentioning what would happen if someone managed to form a big group of trikes. They'd destroy the whole server cause there's no big predators to thin their numbers
Plus I think most people would like to see some more new animals before we get a lot of the older ones being added
fallow lily
but the old ones shoud come asap becous they are actually the baise of the game
left nacelle
No they're not
You could get rid of the old ones and add all completely new animals and the game would still function just fine
swift dew
the devs are adding smaller creatures first and working their way up to larger ones, they are also changing the roadmap im not sure how but I hope its all the mechanics first
left nacelle
the devs are adding smaller creatures first and working their way up to larger o...
New roadmap is supposed to be more mechanic focused according to Filipe
fallow lily
i realy dont want to blame any thing but its litterly the only game dats geting a remake or how ever i shoud call it and they start wiht new things and add the old things they coud rework at the start and bring new mechanics wiht them and then add new dinos wiht new features
for me this makes more sens
left nacelle
It's easier to add newer animals first cause then they can use the blueprint for the new mechanics and stuff to make the rest of the animals faster. For example: Making utah's pounce ability now makes it easier to added allo's grapple ability later since they use the same code
Plus people like new stuff lol
cedar pulsar
A lot of legacy dinos would also take rebalancing and a lot of other stuff to function well, such as Allo with his grapple and apexes with an entire rework to prevent them from being objectively better then any other dino
left nacelle
Yeah, legacy dinos need rebalancing, some need model remakes, new animations and sounds etc
fallow lily
yes i like the new stuff too but i would like to see the basic stuff before and like dinosuchos took a long time and it isnt even out jet so im very scared dat the Dinos from legacy will come in 2 years or somthing
left nacelle
Plus it's a whole new game basically, so they can't just port the animals over
left nacelle
yes i like the new stuff too but i would like to see the basic stuff before and ...
Not gonna be the case. Again, the legacy dinos aren't the "base of the game." Deino took so long because it has really intricate mechanics compared to lal the other animals
cedar pulsar
yes i like the new stuff too but i would like to see the basic stuff before and ...
deinosuchus is extremely complex in how it functions as a creature which is why it’s taking so long, and it’s also something they’ve never done before
swift dew
yes i like the new stuff too but i would like to see the basic stuff before and ...
legacy dinos arent necesarily "basic" they are just in another branch, they have remake every single legacy dino as zero code from legacy is coming to evrima, so its not that basic
icy lion
the only thing that can stay the same is the models and some sounds
left nacelle
Imagine you wanna add the horses from Red Dead into GTA. You need to make them from the gorund up basically, since it's a different code base, same goes for Legacy content coming to Evrima
icy lion
maybe some animations, if the animal doesnt need new rigging
fallow lily
ye but it would go way faster then adding things like dinosuchos early
left nacelle
Exactly, which is why other animals won't take as long as deino
Adding legacy dinos now wouldn't effect the speed of development, if anytihng it would slow it down
fallow lily
ik but why shoud i start wiht things dat takes ages nobody wants to wait such long for new content
swift dew
ye but it would go way faster then adding things like dinosuchos early
they are doing deino early because they need underwater locomotion for other creatures as its a core mechanic, they are just giving us deino because they have said deino was coming for a long time
left nacelle
Cause then you can get deino out of the way. The devs didn't expect it to take this long, and I'm sure they regret doing it this early. But adding legacy dinos early wouldn't have changed anything since they also need new mechanics and such
cedar pulsar
Deino was initially revealed for the game over 2 years ago now, and ig it's just good to get it out the way. And like piggy said, it lays good foundation for future semi-aquatics
left nacelle
In a way, deino is a legacy animal
cedar pulsar
You'll get all your legacy dinos eventually, it'll just take a lotta time
can't really help that
fallow lily
i think it would have changed the play fun becous u have more dinos to chose of and more different things allready in the game when suchos and other new stuff comes out
left nacelle
And we're getting pachy soon. That's a legacy dino. It'll like be the next one added after ptera and deino
cedar pulsar
^
swift dew
Deino was initially revealed for the game over 2 years ago now, and ig it's just...
yeah, they had to do some semi-aquatic, for example if they had chosen bary it would still take this long because its the underwater locomotion that they are having trouble with, not the animal itself, they just gave us deino because who doesn't want to be giant crocodile
left nacelle
i think it would have changed the play fun becous u have more dinos to chose of ...
Quality > Quantity. I'd rather have a few really interesting dinos than a lot of very similar ones. Which is why Evrima is gonna be better than legacy, since legacy is the latter
cedar pulsar
i think it would have changed the play fun becous u have more dinos to chose of ...
like said, to fit them in and make them better for the new evrima stuff it would/will take a ton of time to rebalance. It's why apexes won't be playable for a long time, they need to figure out ways so that they aren't broken like they were in legacy
left nacelle
Plus with the current animals in the game, apexes would take over the server
fallow lily
dont understand me wrong i like like 99% of the idears but i think dat they took to long for some things and in my opinion they shoud have realised at least 1-2 remakes more of legacy at the start
left nacelle
Legacy has really bad code, they can't improve legacy anymore than it already is since the code is a mess
swift dew
dont understand me wrong i like like 99% of the idears but i think dat they took...
i dont think you understand how game developing works, games take time, especially water locomotion, they are trying to do the core mechanics first and water locomotion is a core mechanic
left nacelle
They can't just add legacy animals to evrima, it isn't that simple. I feel like we're going in circles here lol
fallow lily
wtf i think u dont understand what im saying
if they remake a dino and add it to evrima
i never sayed they coud just do copy and paste xd ???
cedar pulsar
that's literally what they plan to do
they're gonna remake the legacy dinos and add them to evrima
left nacelle
Remaking the dinos takes time tho. It's better for them to add dinos that use core mechanics (Like deino who uses diving and swimming) to make it easier to add animals in the fututre
fallow lily
dats what i sayed but i sayed dat i think it would be better if they would remake some of the legacy dinos at the start
left nacelle
It wouldn't. It would be a waste of time
swift dew
dats what i sayed but i sayed dat i think it would be better if they would remak...
why? because you like legacy dinos?
icy lion
supposedly the next dino coming is pachy, and many of the dinos on the current roadmap are from legacy as well
fallow lily
supposedly the next dino coming is pachy, and many of the dinos on the current r...
but litterly if i watch the road map i get depressed
left nacelle
They're mostly focusing on animals who will use core mechanics. Most of legacy's dinos aren't reliant on the newer mechanics, hence why it's mostly new animals
fallow lily
why? because you like legacy dinos?
becous u cant tell me dat the game will be fun when u have 6 different dinos to chose from
left nacelle
Pachy focuses on new bone break, Ptera on flying, deino on diving, carno on charging, utah on pouncing, etc. Adding those animals now makes it easier to add other animals who use those mechanics in the future
The roadmap isn't everything being added to evrima btw
swift dew
becous u cant tell me dat the game will be fun when u have 6 different dinos to ...
but what is better about doing legacy dinos compared to something that isnt in legacy
fallow lily
becous if they would have done somthing from legacy i swear it would not have took so mutch time like dinosuchos and u cant say any thing against it tbh bc it would have taken less time and u would have more dinos to chose of allready and the game would not be boring after like a week becous u saw all dat is in the game dat is my opinion
left nacelle
None of the legacy animals have a playstyle similar to deinos tho, they wouldn't have been able to fully utilize the swimming/diving mechanic. Plus we've been waiting for deino for literally years
fallow lily
and after they would realise the flying part and underwater they still coud make small updates wiht special abilitys for the dinos they reworked from legacy
swift dew
becous if they would have done somthing from legacy i swear it would not have to...
you dont understand, deinosuchus isnt taking long, water locomotion is, and water locomotion is a core mechanic, so they could have done sucho, which is a legacy dinosaur, and they would have coded water locomotion and then it would have taken just as long
and the core mechanics have to come before you start pumping out dinosaurs
left nacelle
So you're saying add legacy dinos without their abilities and then do small updates later with the abilities? That's similar to something a lot of game companies are doing right now and people don't like it lol
fallow lily
and u want to tell me dat the community of The Isle likes to wait dat long sure not ...
like 100% legacy has atm more players then Evrima
left nacelle
I'd rather wait long for a high quality animal than have it be added with on ability and thne have to wait long for its ability to be added
fallow lily
but u didnt saw any of the high quality or did you ?
swift dew
and u want to tell me dat the community of The Isle likes to wait dat long sure ...
and idk if you know this but games take a LONG time to make, like most AAA games are in development for multple years before you even know about it, indie games however have to go into early access most of the time because they don't have the funding neccessary.
left nacelle
but u didnt saw any of the high quality or did you ?
Deino is very high quality. It's the most mechanically intricate animal the devs have ever made. it has smooth swimming, it walks on the bottom of rivers and it can pull animals into the water
fallow lily
and idk if you know this but games take a LONG time to make, like most AAA games...
piggy bro idk what u think but im not dump i know dat it takes long but u need to feed your coummunty and not only post a picture of somthing it has to be somthing they can test play and dont get to another game becous they are waiting and waiting for somthing to happen
left nacelle
piggy bro idk what u think but im not dump i know dat it takes long but u need t...
We're gonna be getting a beta very soon
fallow lily
i know but it took long enought
cedar pulsar
potentially tomorrow
i mean very probably not tomorrow, but still
swift dew
piggy bro idk what u think but im not dump i know dat it takes long but u need t...
no, you really dont need to feed your community, just dont be impatient
left nacelle
It took long because the devs are dedicated to making a high quality product
Do you want the game to be rushed?
cedar pulsar
If it's rushed again it'll end up exactly like legacy and then the game really will die
still raptor
We got things for pachy, my guess Update 3 actual release is in 3-4 weeks. 1-2 weeks for beta and a week or two to fix the bugs
left nacelle
A triple-A company could say a game's coming out in 5 years and not give any info on it except for the initial trailer and a few interviews and people would be hypes and fine with it. We're getting much more than that currently and people are upset. Huh?
fallow lily
idk like watch so many other games (no blame ) wiht more quality dat took like the same time they needed for 2 dinos and water sry but this is just true
left nacelle
idk like watch so many other games (no blame ) wiht more quality dat took like t...
Yeah, but the dev team is tiny
still raptor
idk like watch so many other games (no blame ) wiht more quality dat took like t...
PoT and BoB are as high in quality than the Isle.
left nacelle
You can't compare games like that. Games have different code, different game sizes, run on different engines, etc
left nacelle
It depends on the game tho is what I mean
cedar pulsar
comparing dino sims is just shitty and does nothing but stir up toxicity
swift dew
idk like watch so many other games (no blame ) wiht more quality dat took like t...
im sorry, what dinosaur game where you play as the dinosaur has the same quality as what they are showcasing for this update? because there are 3 games where you play as a dinosaur and I know for a fact 2 of them aren't anywhere close to as good quality as what they are show casing rn, and your claiming there are so many
left nacelle
Like you can't get mad at The Isle for being lower quality than Red Dead for example
still raptor
Isle, saurian, pot, and bob are all different than each other. Vastly different
left nacelle
Not to mention they all have different playstyles in mind with completely different mechanics
still raptor
PoT has updates that are very coincidental after the Isle says “were going to do this”
Saurian is a very slow developing passion project
I have no clue what BoB is going for
left nacelle
Yeah I noticed that lol. I do still enjoy BoB and PoT tho. They're good in their own right
left nacelle
But it's wrong to say "This game is not doing well cause it isn't like these other games"
swift dew
PoT has updates that are very coincidental after the Isle says “were going to d...
"coincidental" lets just go with this
still raptor
They aren’t copying anything if thats what you’re referring too.
You cant copyright a mechanic for a game lol
left nacelle
Even if they are copying, nothing wrong with that. The game is different enough that it doesn't matter lol
steady lintel
They are pushing it out and implementing mechanics faster so should it even be called copying
still raptor
Tbh, most of their faster released mechanics are thoroughly thought out and are just meh
Could be better if they took their time
steady lintel
Haven’t tried the new food mechanic
cedar pulsar
I'm honestly just sick of people comparing the games and whining like little pissbabies that "OH hE coPIed mY GamE!!"
it's just, play what you want
steady lintel
So I wouldn’t know tbh
barren zephyr
PoT's diet mechanic is just a food overhaul
left nacelle
The diet mechanic is fine, but there's no scent system to it's torture trying to find the specific food you eat
still raptor
But since the giant fucking lake is so large, everyone’s still at Talons point
steady lintel
The dino calls in pot is just bad imo
still raptor
The dino calls in pot is just bad imo
Sound design isn’t the best and everyone knows that.
left nacelle
But anyway, back to The isle: The devs are making the right decision by taking their time, even if it is upsetting the community
still raptor
People will come and go. Happens to all gaming communities
left nacelle
Hell it's happened to The isle multiple times. Like when progression first came out
still raptor
Ive left and joined back multiple times
left nacelle
I've never left, but there's been times where I kinda just stopped following news for a while
still raptor
Ive left and joined back multiple times
Especially when legacy stopped getting updates in 2019
And when progression went bye bye
left nacelle
Idk if I could ever leave this game honestly, it's been such a big part of my life for the past r years lol
My computer broke around the time when the "recode" started and I stopped following news, so I was lucky enough to not be dying for news lol
still raptor
I was in the old discord, but in 2018, I was playing other games and made friends off of those games. Didn’t join this discord until like March of 2019 iirc.
2018 was the year where I completely left the community. Saw the Sucho rework around January of 2019 and when Para came out.
Humans and tribals were cool but after they came out for testing I kinda started to slowly leave.
paper oriole
Is this guy suggesting that a trike ramming a utahraptor would just stun it for a bit?
Or am i misreading
A trike ramming you with its big ass horns shouldn’t deal a stun it should just fuck you up
And obliterate novara- i mean utahraptor
swift dew
nope thats what he said, he even said sucho would just get stunned
swift dew
it would be a good idea for pachyrhino, but not for trike
paper oriole
Yeah trike doesn't need a stun at all imo. It would either make him OP with devastating attacks+stuns or fodder with weak ass attacks to trade for the stun
Pachyrhino should use stuns and bb/fractures, trike should just have lethal attacks that can end over confident idiots
barren zephyr
Carnivores should be the ones getting shat on most of the time, not herbis.
paper oriole
The slower opponent should have the clear advantage
barren zephyr
I mean while buffalo do fall victim to lions, it's hard to take them down.
Shant can stand it's ground against, say, a Tyrannosaurus quite easily. It's humongous and also that tail could be used as a rudimentary weapon (even at the risk of it getting damaged)
paper oriole
Buffalo are also morons unfortunately and run when a buddy is under attack even though they have brawn and numbers on their side usually, the isle dinos are controlled by humans however who aren't (usually) this dumb. This should be considered in balance however things like trike and anky should be able to just end idiots who approached them fully by their own choice and didn't use proper strategy
barren zephyr
Yes
paper oriole
I honestly don't get why so many people think 50/50 is a cool Matchup for trike and rex when rex is in full control of whether the fight even happens in the first place
Utahraptor tho lmao i cant believe this dude wants it to get a lil stun
Why would a utah be in front of a trike and let the trike hit it, it deserves a darwin award not a stun
barren zephyr
<@456226577798135808> pue is done, its model and rig cant be worked on anymore, ...
A skeleton is the least they can do I suppose...
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr who said austro cant wade
quite often multiple species of wading bird may exist in a habitat
and there can be partitioning, too
For example, sucho could prefer coastal environments while bary prefers it further inland
watch the video
also get out of this server and come back when you are smarter
paper oriole
Poor Dio
barren zephyr
feels like im speaking to a crateful of rocks tbh
paper oriole
He may be a bonehead but he's a lovable bonehead
Tho austro not fishing like a heron with the design the devs seem to want for him would indeed be a sin
urban flax
Dinos shouldn't have an incentive to form a symbiotic relation with humans at all
And mercs don't need a different taming mechanic from tribals
They just don't need a taming mechanic
fallen path
What do yall think of my suggestion?
honest sparrow
I am once again asking for otter Austro instead of the 3rd (3rd and a half if you count spino) wader
urban flax
What do yall think of my suggestion?
Your suggestion has already been reposted and talked about a thousand times
fallen path
Your suggestion has already been reposted and talked about a thousand times
Which one?
compact hare
the carrying babies one
compact hare
aah this one
thats a good idea
If Im not wrong, they are adding little plants on the surface of the water for this
but we dont know when
urban flax
I don't see the point
fallen path
Oh
urban flax
@timid shale Talk about feedback and suggestions in here
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr also dinosaurs do not have facial muscles
they cannot lift their eyebrows up and down, or snarl/growl/grin
urban flax
anyway animals don't show their emotions either
barren zephyr
Animals do show emotions, but in often more subtle ways
urban flax
Except for some exceptions like social or domesticated ones
barren zephyr
yes
and some domesticated animals can do things their wild counterparts cannot (dogs can move their brows, unlike wolves)
safe galleon
@timid shale deinos growth is 5 hours yes
barren zephyr
@novel turtle we have the issue of acro, rex and giga
urban flax
There's so many things wrong with that torvosaurus suggestion
barren zephyr
to make way a few of them need to be shoved out of the way
And torvo is a forest dwelling predator
tawny juniper
@turbid mauve There is almost no way merc taming will happen
novel turtle
to make way a few of them need to be shoved out of the way
what do you mean by this
urban flax
Torvo is too similar to these dinos which are already planned for the roster
novel turtle
i see
arctic nimbus
@fallen path It would be better as a skin
novel turtle
Ya you need some difference
Another croc would be nice but it cant act the exact same way
fallen path
<@!816328197896405022> It would be better as a skin
Nah
Its better as a completely new dinosaur
urban flax
It's just the same as deino, adding it is pointless
urban flax
It's like tarbo, saurophagnax or dakotaraptor
There are better ways to prevent deino overpopulation
fallen path
Yes with spino
urban flax
Like, entirely new playables for example
urban flax
The fact spino isn't coming in a while isn't an argument to add an useless playable
fallen path
It isnt useless lol
urban flax
It will be once spino is added then
fallen path
Is deino usefull?
lilac swallow
Whats the difference between deinos hunting deinos with purus hunting deinos? None
urban flax
Yes because its unique
fallen path
Just like purru
novel turtle
yes because its different
arctic nimbus
It will prevent deino overpopulation
So you're suggesting purru to be a better deino?
fallen path
So you're suggesting purru to be a better deino?
Yes
arctic nimbus
k
fallen path
But not wayy better
lilac swallow
Game design? What It is?
fallen path
Just so that the deino has something that it needs to watch out for
urban flax
If its like deino but slightly better, then what will you do against purru overpopulation ?
fallen path
If its like deino but slightly better, then what will you do against purru overp...
Deinos
urban flax
But its weaker
lilac swallow
And Who Will prevent puru overpopulation
fallen path
And Who Will prevent puru overpopulation
Deino
urban flax
People won't play deino if there's a better option that does the same
fallen path
So deino is apex in the juvenile stage
fallen path
People won't play deino if there's a better option that does the same
But if it takes longer to grow and is weaker when its a juvie?
lilac swallow
To prevent deino population in first place there are older deinos, is not like deinos Will not hunt each other
urban flax
But if it takes longer to grow and is weaker when its a juvie?
that's still a clone
urban flax
Making a new creatue requires time, money and investment. Might as well create an entirely new one
fallen path
And adult deinos would have to watch out for adult purrus
urban flax
And not waste time
lilac swallow
We are all idiots falling for a troll, you know?
Because no way this Guy is serious
compact hare
it does everything a deino can do
lets be honest, not so many differences in the model
would work better as a skin
and as a new playable, a waste of money
fallen path
Not many differences in the model
loool
novel turtle
Visible Confusion
digital plank
If anyone likes my idea or wants to expand on it please let me know I look forward to feedback
compact hare
thats why I said
not SO MANY DIFFERENCES in the model
tell me other difference that is not the skull shape
lilac swallow
The anatomy is the same, dude
compact hare
and thats it?
urban flax
they're both giant crocs
They're around the same size
They live the same way
novel turtle
@digital plank I really like your idea and it really gives a realism aspect to the game.
lilac swallow
This Guy doesnt know how skins works in games
compact hare
Jesus fcking Christ I've seen everything now
digital plank
thanks!
fallen path
This Guy doesnt know how skins works in games
This argument makes no fucking sense
lilac swallow
Your entire suggestion neither
fallen path
Do you think you can just change from a deino to a purru with a simple skin change?
compact hare
lmao
digital plank
Dave spino is already a competitor for deino and sucho might be able to defend itself too so purru isn't a good addition I don't think
compact hare
Dave spino is already a competitor for deino and sucho might be able to defend i...
I really like your suggestion tho
finally trees being more useful
digital plank
I really like your suggestion tho
finally trees being more useful
thanks
@novel turtle I think its an interesting Idea but I think spino and sucho are already good competitors
novel turtle
ok I just though that a mainly aquatic competitor that was more of a piscivore would also be good.
It would also be the mosa everyone wants in a smaller package.
urban flax
I dont like new dino suggestions
And I don't like full aquatics either
So it's a no for me
novel turtle
I dont like new dino suggestions
And I don't like full aquatics either
So it's a...
it isnt full aquatic
urban flax
Its a mosasaur
novel turtle
look at what I put in the parenthesis
urban flax
Those legs are puny
If it can move faster on land than a handicaped seal, then deino can gallop like a horse
urban flax
If it's so bad on land, then it's a full aquatic
novel turtle
I know its small but the game is not realistic
urban flax
Wait that thing is tiny
It's deino fodder
novel turtle
I just said they could change it
urban flax
Why implement a creature if they have to double its size ? Why not just implement any viable mosasaur and make it live in fresh water ?
urban flax
Pannoniasaurus isn't the only mosasaur with legs
And I think it's not a cool one, just giving arguments
novel turtle
that is your opinion
novel turtle
puru or pann
still raptor
Neither
urban flax
sucho
daring sierra
Kapro
barren zephyr
Wouldn't be bad for an ocean DLC.
However i see no use currently
still raptor
Ones useless while the other is a literal deino clone
strange wave
why are all these recent animal suggestions so crap
why did you feel the need to bastardize purru and pannon
urban flax
Because all the good ones have already been made ?
strange wave
Because all the good ones have already been made ?
they havent
urban flax
For now, there are very few dino suggestions I actually liked
These are pachyrhino and deinocheirus
barren zephyr
Purrusaurus still conflicts considerably with Deino
Those are good
Purru would bring unwanted Deino competition
despite the different skull shape, they are functionally identical
both bite through bone and are giant caimans/alligators
odd sedge
For now, there are very few dino suggestions I actually liked
These are pachyrhi...
Pachyrhino and Cherry make sense tho that's why they are good
strange wave
For now, there are very few dino suggestions I actually liked
These are pachyrhi...
i meant that these recent ones have literally zero effort put into them and are basically just "add dinosaur because i like it"
barren zephyr
You need to bring viability to the table
cedar pulsar
you need a creature that is unique enough to be separate from the rest and not just be something to counter/compete with that, it should have its own niche, etc
strange wave
Pachyrhino and Cherry make sense tho that's why they are good
pachyrhino is confirmed if we're still getting all old models, cherry is just a smell animal
urban flax
Well from seomeone that always reads this channel, it's not only recent ones
It's just that most really bad suggestions get deleted
barren zephyr
I mean I do not want to see any more similar species competing as a consequence of legacy's progression system
urban flax
Cherry would make for a fine apex omnivore
odd sedge
pachyrhino is confirmed if we're still getting all old models, cherry is just a ...
Well we don't have an omnivore apex yet, so that's why so many people like it
barren zephyr
this is stuff like sucho and bary, maia and shant, or hypsi and oro
and hypsi was decided on despite oro being a thing
urban flax
Well they made hypsi somewhat unique at least
barren zephyr
Well they made hypsi somewhat unique at least
That is what the devs want to bring with each playable
why are we sticking to all the creatures from legacy in addition to some new ones?
So everyone just doesn't play the best and only the best
strange wave
Well we don't have an omnivore apex yet, so that's why so many people like it
we dont need one, we never needed one, we will never need one
barren zephyr
So everyone just doesn't play the best and only the best
?
I mean shit from progression
That wasn't to your comment sorry lol
oh
That was suppose to be in addition to mine
urban flax
we dont need one, we never needed one, we will never need one
But why ? If we have apex carnis and apex herbies, why not apex omnis ?
barren zephyr
We don't need one
urban flax
Or consider cherry as a herbi that lives off fish
barren zephyr
However it would be fun and different
odd sedge
we dont need one, we never needed one, we will never need one
Well I personally disagree with that
urban flax
I like the fact that we can have something very big, capable of fighting but not a sauropod nor a theropod
barren zephyr
deinocheirus is a theropod
urban flax
A carnosaur*
barren zephyr
an ornithomimisaur
urban flax
(is not a carnosaur I mean)*
strange wave
But why ? If we have apex carnis and apex herbies, why not apex omnis ?
balance issues
the fact that nobody has given it anything unique except a diet
we dont need one, especially one thats basically an herbivore with the ability to can sucho entirely
strange wave
(is not a carnosaur I mean)*
rex
urban flax
Make theri into an apex then
But there's too few herbi apexes imo
strange wave
no, there is not
urban flax
Looks like so, if they make it beefy enough
But I really have trouble seeing things like stego and anky being apexes
Ok for stego, but anky is just a walking rock
barren zephyr
With a massive bone breaking club
Has ankylosaurus even been made punishing to take on in legacy?
urban flax
It's utah-sized
barren zephyr
And so than deino is utah sized
urban flax
Well but actually deino is super flat
It's way bigger than anky
strange wave
Well but actually deino is super flat
It's way bigger than anky
so is anky
barren zephyr
Anky is 4t
strange wave
it doesnt need to look rex in the eye to defend itself
swift dew
did someone just say anky is the same size as utah?
strange wave
it can shatter an apex predators leg and waddle away unharmed
urban flax
Yet I know anky is made to be an apex
I just have trouble seeing it not looking weird
strange wave
@vagrant solstice not the place to ask, and yes we are
barren zephyr
Ankylosaurus can still shatter bone
vagrant solstice
Ok thanks now I know
barren zephyr
Ankylosaurus can still shatter bone
Big time
it would be like trying to take on an armadillo (except with a stiffened mace as a tail)
in which case it is very bloody hard because an armadillo has armour plating
ashen wasp
Anky's a lil' shrimp compared to the largest theropods, or even other playable herbis, but it can still make itself more trouble than it's worth to kill. That's p much all that's important-- as long as it can defend itself effectively, I'm fine with that
barren zephyr
not all armadillos can roll up into balls, but they have ossified plates
Ankylosaurus has enlarged bony scales, which act similarly
Anky is just a large tank 
even though the spacing on the current reconstruction is quite big, it still is sufficient armour to protect against a tyrannosaur attack
urban flax
@novel turtle Are you just browsing google searching for random dino ideas ?
ashen wasp
Linhenykus is only around 2 feet tall-- it is not Dryosaurus-sized.
When the main draw of a playable is a unique diet, it's usually the mark of a faulty concept. If insectivory is intended to be an option for other playables, like Oviraptor of Gallimimus, what differentiates Linhenykus from those animals, other than its small size and inability to defend itself from the majority of the roster??
barren zephyr
mononykus is the largest alvarezsaurid, but even then it doesn't reach dryo in size
Dryosaurus is this big.
urban flax
this is elder dryo 
barren zephyr
cry about it, dryo is quite big
urban flax
It's not about the size
It's because of the wrinkles
barren zephyr
ye
wintry monolith
@novel turtle sucho Kinda has that role and ambush Speed isnt a thing in evrima
urban flax
What will be added back ? Ambush ? No, it's never coming back
cedar pulsar
yeah ambush isn’t making a return
urban flax
@ripe pewter
If you post please add this dino, explain why the animal should be added and what mechanics it could have to set it apart from animals already in-game to make it unique so we don't have clone dinosaurs all over.
wind idol
im kinda missing ambush tbh but ofc a more modern version with like cooldown so u can only use it as an opener
compact hare
ambush should not even be the name of the mechanic, it should be just "speed boost"
or something
odd sedge
I would like to see the ambush speed boost for very few dinosaurs, as a unique feature for them. For dinosaurs who rely on ambushing and only that
It of course would have to load up and would take a lot of stam
But I could also live without it
odd sedge
@barren zephyr
I like the idea but I wonder if those plants would grow in a tropical setting. I mean, I can actually see dryer parts of the map, which resemble deserts and stuff, since that could come close to the looks of a landscape, where humans removed the rainforest and destroyed the ecosystem.
But I'm unsure about cacti and if they would naturally grow there.
Correct me, if I'm speaking crap right now
barren zephyr
Deserts usually happen as a consequence of geography.
A classic example is a rainshadow.
There may be a bordering mountain range that prevents sufficient rain brought in from the coast entering the other side.
tawny juniper
I don't think actual deserts would really work for many dinos
Considering you can't really hide
And if you aren't faster then whats chasing you
You're toast
barren zephyr
There's limits as to what can survive in a desert