general-feedback-discussion

[zealous violet]

Not all of them for sure! But we have no real idea how they would have handled their young. Its not out of the scope of reality to think that they may be able to scoop one up behind their teeth and just hold them.

Ahh I see what your saying.

my point being, we dont know. Its a video game at the end of the day. It can be literally anything they want it to be because we do not know how dinosaurs really acted.

[strange wave]

yeah, as i said i made that really lazy and fast, even clarified that it shouldnt drain the color that much

[left nacelle]

But anyway, my main gripe with baby carrying is i think the babies should be confined to the nest for their hatchling stage. The parents should have to focus on keeping predators away from the nest rather than keeping babies away from the predators. I feel like that would be more interesting anyway

[zealous violet]

I do like this idea as well. Im not disagreeing at all. :3 I think the main focus would be to remain in the nest and for parents to come back and provide. My suggestion is merely that, a simple suggestion that i thought may create more of something to do when the game is well and finished.

[random imp]

not to mention that that way babysnatchers and eggeaters have a chance of getting a meal

[zealous violet]

Ahh nature.

[wary sparrow]

@strange wave sorry for not completely understanding what you suggested but do you mean that only while smelling the surroundings turn more grayish or that the vibrancy of the environment should be toned down ?

[strange wave]

while smelling the color would drain out of the environment so you can see the particles easier

[urban flax]

Like it does in Evolve basically

[strange wave]

or wolf quest

[urban flax]

Or Styx
Although it isn't really scent in styx

[wary sparrow]

Thx

[odd sedge]

Smello vision

[ashen wasp]

Saurian, too

[hybrid matrix]

snow just doesnt make sense in general

at least
not if its just sorta in the wild

if its in a biodome then thats fine

but this is a tropical island

well

its not exactly "fine" but its better than having snow on a tropical island

a snowy winter would look weirder than just having a snowy area somewhere

[wanton hull]

@strange wave could have it be much like how it works in the witcher where it focuses more on NPC sounds and the screen becomes black and white and a bit blurry

so by NPC sounds by that i mean calls and footsteps becoming louder and other sounds are muffled

[mighty spear]

@strange wave I dont necessarily disagree with your piece about scent particles being more obvious but Im not really sold on the grey scaling effect. I fear that outright grey scaling of the environment is going to obscure visual acuity too much for players (carnivores more specifically) in general in order to actually see other potential prey/threats. I don't think delegating the ability to distinguish other dinosaurs apart from the environment to a special ability to specific creatures is a sound idea as well... picking up scent doesnt make your vision worse lol (unless im misreading your piece on that). I personally just think making the scent clouds way more apparent when smelling is a better and simpler approach to an easy problem

[strange wave]

as stated in the suggestion, dont judge the effect from the images, that is far too drained of color, the color drain is more needed that just better clouds of scent, herbivores would still struggle to locate smelled food, etc, drain environmental color also gives way to other abilities like the mentioned advanced perception

[mighty spear]

right, i could see it being helpful in a more toned down effect i spose. It definitely would/will be interesting to see how/if the devs tackle that problem

[civic peak]

I think slight color drain would be nice (as someone with color blindness/deficiency with red/green it would help the green particles as an herbi be easier to see) but I think if it goes too far it would make it hard to see predators/prey while using scent

Overall, not at all a bad idea though imo

[idle ibex]

im prob late to the discussion of it but, that gore suggestion with the different stages of decay would be really good for sauropod corpses. it would turn into a real feeding frenzy with alot of carnivores compeating to get as much food as possible from it before it decays to a point they cant eat it any longer.

[left nacelle]

@golden iron Tropical areas don't really have 4 seasons like the rest of the planet does. They just have wet and dry seasons

[civic sparrow]

@strange wave why not let dryo single out animals that are walking, along with running? If that makes sense

[strange wave]

people didnt like it singling out all movement

[left nacelle]

@cosmic lake That doesn't make much sense, since you wouldn't be able to see the message appearing in the chat you wanna send it to (along with any replies to it) if it keeps you in global. Also global's being removed so idk if that suggestion will matter anymore

[cosmic lake]

oh well i guess nvm if global is actually going away i just meant that whenever you do /gr to type in group chat it forcibly moved you into that chat anyway, since i can see local and group chat all from global i wanted to just use the /gr to type to group without shifting to the actual group chat

[left nacelle]

Oooooh I gotcha. I forgot it shows messages from all the channels at once in global

But yeah, global's being removed next update and I don't think it'll be a server option since Amarok said it won't be back till mod support is in

[barren zephyr]

@cosmic lake global chat is going, however, server owners will be able to change their settings to put global in or not. 🙂

[left nacelle]

Read what I said cough cough

[cosmic lake]

shhhshhshshh

[left nacelle]

Lol

[cosmic lake]

i rewrote it to have slight hope (dont care too much about global) and to redeem myself for my bad writting lmao

[barren zephyr]

don't listen to what Amarok says about stuff

[left nacelle]

Why

He was the one who removed global chat. He even did it on stream

[sick crescent]

This is true

Removed its code entirely

[barren zephyr]

I know

[sick crescent]

Every inch of globals chats code is gone

[barren zephyr]

i was talking about the "I don't think it'll be a server option"

[sick crescent]

It’s not going to be a server option

[barren zephyr]

heard different

[sick crescent]

Well then you heard from the wrong source

[swift dew]

good

[left nacelle]

Yeah because Amarok said word for word "it won't be back until modding support is a thing" I feel like if it was a server option, he wouldn't have said that

[barren zephyr]

and Amarok said update 3 will arrive around mid to late Jan

[sick crescent]

Lol no

[barren zephyr]

lol

[sick crescent]

He guessed it would

[barren zephyr]

and it led to an influx of false news

[left nacelle]

But Amarok doesn't decide when the update comes out, but he was the one who removed global chat

[barren zephyr]

well more really Dondi

[left nacelle]

It's a bad comparison. If I'm a construction worker and I say "I think the Mayor will be this person" and I'm wrong, it doesn't immediately mean I'm untrustworthy if I say "We aren't going to make this building using steel"

Ya get my point?

[barren zephyr]

it's not like I really have a personal care about global.

[sick crescent]

Huh

No?

Thats giving an opinion versus your job though ohhhhh nvm

[left nacelle]

My point is that Amarok made a guess about something he has little involvement in and he was wrong, but that doesn't make him untrustworthy when it comes to him saying global chat won't return until modding since he was the one involved in its removal

[barren zephyr]

yes

[left nacelle]

Last thing, but when Amarok said about January, I'm pretty sure he straight up said that he's just guessing. So if people took that date and ran with it, that's their fault

[barren zephyr]

and where that led to, wasn't great

[left nacelle]

Yeah. But it wasn't the devs' fault that it happened. People like to take everything as fact even when it's stated clearly that it isn't

[barren zephyr]

personally I like devs giving their opinion on work.
But it easily creates false etas, which leads the community to a date that will have nothing but quiet patience for an update

[sick crescent]

Amarok literally even basically said he’s just guessing

[left nacelle]

Yeah, that's why we don't get etas at all, and it's why the devs rarely do that. Amarok was still new to the team and he didn't know how the community is tho so

[barren zephyr]

people take it out of context, and false news is spread throughout social media

[sick crescent]

Then thats their fault, not Amarok’s

If its false news its false news

(The guy literally deleted its code on stream)

[barren zephyr]

[sick crescent]

[barren zephyr]

you don't need to say it again and again

[left nacelle]

We're not really talking about global chat anymore btw cough cough

[sick crescent]

He guessed wrong(haha optimist), doesn’t make him untrustworthy in my book but you can sus him all you want

Otherwise Filipe would be one of the most untrusted devs ever

[barren zephyr]

honestly it doesn't even matter anymore

we all agree global chat should be removed

[sick crescent]

Yes

It really won’t impact much besides more active vcs(thank god) and discords being used more

[barren zephyr]

however, I don't take fully take gospel to Amarok on Global not being an option for server owners

so we'll have to wait and see for the server admin update

[sick crescent]

Sure that whole schtick could’ve changed, but so far we have no other reason to think it will come back as an option

[left nacelle]

Oh no I don't either, I'm just saying I don't think it'll be a server option. I wouldn't be surprised or upset if it was tho

[sick crescent]

Sooo

Global chat gone

[left nacelle]

🦀

[barren zephyr]

just, as we know things will be selectable on and off for server admins, Global chat is on the line to be in that function (with it automatically being off)

[barren zephyr]

[sick crescent]

Why they didnt make it a server option is beyond me

[kindred flare]

@haughty cliff there are no ticks in evrima, plus deino takes 8 hours so sitting in a tiny log for 8 hours isnt going to happen

You just get bigger over time

[sick crescent]

We want server owners to be able to customize their servers as much as possible! haha hypocrites

[barren zephyr]

lol

[sick crescent]

[haughty cliff]

Yes, so if you grow you'll get stuck regardless of ticks or smooth--and it's not just for Deino; I'm saying if they start making hiding spots for any babies

[barren zephyr]

and Amarok's the guy who is doing all the admin-power side of stuff

[kindred flare]

You wont be allowed to sit in one spot for a long time though, they are planning thag

That*

[barren zephyr]

pins and needles mechanic

[swift dew]

then get out before its too late, sucks to be you if you got stuck inside

[haughty cliff]

You don't need to be, your timing would just need to be bad. I HAVE had it happen before, and I'm not the only one and if they start deliberately designing hidey-holes it might be a good idea to bear it in mind, that's all.

[kindred flare]

So sitting in a small spot will come with debuffs the longer you stay there

[loud vine]

I wish it would be toggleable, because I don't join vcs because of my hearing loss, turning up my volume in discord for people talking, doesn't do anything, it just makes the muffled sounds louder.

[haughty cliff]

People might still get stuck. I am only bringing it up for the devs in case they hadn't thought of it

[kindred flare]

If you get stuck relog and move before everything renders

[barren zephyr]

you'll be able to sit for a long time as any creature you want.
But if you were to AFK, you will grow at a much slower rate than if you were running around and eating either a neutral diet or a positive diet

[sick crescent]

So if you have an ssd/good pc you’re fucked

[kindred flare]

Or ask help from an admin

[haughty cliff]

I'm not asking for alternatives, I put it there so devs can (hopefully) see it and be aware, they can do w/e they want with it

I was told to put it in that chat, so i did.

[kindred flare]

I mean, if you get stucks its your own fault for trying to get in a tiny spot when your too big

Or you'd have to be EXTREMELY unfortunate to get stuck on the 1 second of an 8 hour growth where you become too big. But then if you were close to that size why would you try to get in a small hole anyway

[barren zephyr]

@haughty folio Well said, I agree.

[silver blaze]

@compact hare i think they definitely will add woman mercs but probardly later down the line because well i suppose they would want to spend time on more urgent things maybe but then again it could be really easy to add idk

[compact hare]

I see, thanks for letting me know :)

[thorn glacier]

women mercs good

[silver blaze]

its like how there is only the male of each dino model out yet they are focusing on other things first

like more dinos or new mechanics

[compact hare]

And being as strong/bulk as males, no different cloth

just

woman

[pure vigil]

Similar to Valheim?

[molten tulip]

Also different face presets and adjustable skin tone to include different races

Pretty sure punch said this was all planned

[paper oriole]

an 'unsavoury taste' is already a garbage defense against KOSers, making magy have to stick to a certain diet on top of that for this pathetic excuse of a defense would make it even worse lmao

[paper oriole]

Tribals don't fit because they're weird looking mutants? You mean like the dinos that are also modified mutants? Servers will be able to toggle humans and tribals if they don't want them anyway.
The tribal concepts look a lot more intimidating than many of the ‘scary’ predatory dinosaurs

[barren zephyr]

@sand widget
The isle is not a 'Jurassic soul' game, it has never been from the beginning.

It's a survival horror game whichc revolves around Genetic creations and mutations. Mainly Dinosaurs.

Tribals bring another horror aspect to the game, alongside lore.

[azure wadi]

^

[turbid mauve]

@compact hare Of course they'll need female humans(mercs) how else are they going to reproduce? They are animals, are they not?

[icy lion]

humans arent getting nesting or growth or anything like that

[tawny juniper]

You think humans are getting a reproduction system

if I'm correct they mean female mercs more in the name of diversity in the human playables

[turbid mauve]

Tell that to hypsi. It doesn't make sense, it's an animal. It's also a unique animal. Just make an animation to grow the belly for its incubation period and that's it, it really not that hard.

Unique animal being that its a mammal.

[icy lion]

it isnt happening. this conversation is over

[tawny juniper]

Hypsi is a playable dinosaur, Not a human

They are animals but they are different

Just because they are both animals doesn't mean they should have the exact same gameplay

[paper oriole]

Wtf does this dude really want human pregnancy in the isle

[turbid mauve]

Nothing graphic has to be shown, just that they reproduce wth. They are animals

[tawny juniper]

So what, You could be a child ingame

I dont understand whats appealing about being a juvenile human in the game

[turbid mauve]

Cause it makes sense?

[tawny juniper]

By that logic would you start out as a baby/child?

[turbid mauve]

;-;

[paper oriole]

Not at all wtf

[barren zephyr]

Humans are either mercs or some weird tribal mutants, and why would you want to have kids in the game

are you some creep, perhaps?

[tawny juniper]

^

[paper oriole]

These are mercenaries hired to carry out tasks not populate the island

[barren zephyr]

or what other good excuses do you have

[turbid mauve]

Bruh don't get on me with "baby humans won't survive" kid anything thats a baby will die if left unguarded by the guardians/parents/

[tawny juniper]

Didn't say that

Im saying when you join the game will you be a baby human

[turbid mauve]

you will be a juvenile omg

[tawny juniper]

Because if your able to reproduce it only makes sense

Wy

Why would you play human so that you could be a baby

[icy lion]

humans wont have growth. you do not spawn as a child

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[turbid mauve]

cause it makes sense

[tawny juniper]

That doesn't mean it should be added

[barren zephyr]

humans and dinosaurs are different factions

[paper oriole]

I can’t believe someone unironically wants human reproduction in the isle

[tawny juniper]

ikr

[paper oriole]

Creepy much

[barren zephyr]

the aim of a mercenary is to fight or obtain shit from a rival for cash

[turbid mauve]

omg bruh i just said nothing graphic has to be shown tf is wrong with ur perception

literally just the reproducing aspect

[tawny juniper]

Why do you want it

[paper oriole]

Hey let's get pregnant and have kids on this remote island filled with 8ft tall mutants that eat people and dinosaurs that eat people and mutant kaijus that eat people

[brave rampart]

Class, end of story. These are mercs on a mission to complete tasks on the island, not to play Adam and Eve. Tf are you on about

[paper oriole]

Makes total sense

[turbid mauve]

cause these are mammals and its a unique animal ;-;

[paper oriole]

Bruh

[tawny juniper]

Sounds more to me like someone wants to be doing creepy things in the isle

[turbid mauve]

maybe i wanna play adam and eve tf are these tasks?

[barren zephyr]

having kids on an island filled with numerous predatory species is definitely a good idea...

[turbid mauve]

humans just gonna survive

find resources etc

[tawny juniper]

Yes, as adults with guns

[icy lion]

it isnt happening. dev confirmed and never considered. end of discussion.

[brave rampart]

No, no, and no.

[barren zephyr]

or pointy weaponry like spears or knives

[tawny juniper]

Yes

[paper oriole]

They are there to carry out tasks not to start a civilization

[unreal moat]

isle dating simulator

Lmao

[paper oriole]

Go play sims or something if that is your thing

[turbid mauve]

it wont make sense if don't allow a animal to reproduce cause yall think it is creepy, this is a animal and it shouldnt be treated any differently

[barren zephyr]

now add "child" in front of "dating".

[tawny juniper]

Humans are not supposed to survive in the same way as dinosaurs reproducing anwhatnot for survival, They are there to complete task and collect intel as I understand.

[tawny juniper]

It should

[barren zephyr]

If you add children, you have the potential of opening up sexual abuse.

[tawny juniper]

Humans are for the most part valued above animals

[turbid mauve]

i am confushion

[pure vigil]

What the fuck.

[tawny juniper]

Its not really accurate to plant them on the same plane as a dog for example

[barren zephyr]

someone wants to add kids into the game

[solar salmon]

This conversation is making me lose braincells.... Punch has said that they're not gonna have humans reproduce.

[icy lion]

theres nothing to be confused about. humans will function completely separately from dinosaurs. juvie humans arent happening.

[turbid mauve]

so instead you take away the dogs ability to reproduce ;-;?

[paper oriole]

DUDE the dinos reproduce because they live there and are following instinct. The humans do NOT live there and are just doing a very dangerous job that would be idiotic to get pregnant while doing. Hard to understand?

[tawny juniper]

?

[turbid mauve]

boring

[brave rampart]

Theres a difference between something being a "necessity" to development and something being unnecessary. Humans reproducing in TI is unnecessary, end of story. They're animals, yes, but they're Mercs. If anything, Tribals make more sense to reproduce but that shouldn't happen either

[tawny juniper]

Gameplay including technology will be super borning im sure

The point of merc isnt survival as much as the dinosaurs

Survival ofc is still anaspect but isnt as great

[turbid mauve]

okay give it to the tribals, holy fudge, stop discriminating mammal species

[tawny juniper]

wtf?

[brave rampart]

"Discriminating mammal species" mkay bud

[turbid mauve]

u are tho

[icy lion]

this is starting to sound like flamebait

[brave rampart]

Not really

[paper oriole]

I am convinced you are trolling at this point

[brave rampart]

But do go on

[turbid mauve]

whats next?

take away hypsi reproduction cause no one likes the gameplay?

;-;

[brave rampart]

Flame baiting is confirmed

[tawny juniper]

Hypsi is unfinished

[turbid mauve]

i'm not trolling im defending my viewpoint/opinion

[solar salmon]

Punch has said that they won't have humans (Mercs or Tribals) reproduce, there's no point in arguing about it.

[paper oriole]

Definitely bait, not worth sacrificing more brain cells on this

[turbid mauve]

tribals are unfinished aswell according to y'all then ;-;

[tawny juniper]

Tribals aren't even added what are you on about

ofc they aren't finished

So by this logic, Humans when spawned in as you are a juvenile

[solar salmon]

dk

[tawny juniper]

Yes but human gestation and child gameplay would be so uninteresting

What do you do

You don't hunt as a merc most likely

[solar salmon]

a human juvie would NOT be viable

[tawny juniper]

^

[turbid mauve]

idc if its in the humans(mercs) or tribals at this point

[severe idol]

@turbid mauve
We're not getting into that.

[tawny juniper]

Tribals are mutants, They are not human.

[solar salmon]

a human wouldn't be viable until it's adult lol

so there's no point

[turbid mauve]

very well i rest my case

[tawny juniper]

How do you not understand

Humans are generally as a species elevated above other animals/species

So having them give birth in a game where survival isn't their highest priority is just strange and unviable

[severe idol]

Nah, We're not gonna deal with these thoughts of human(oid) gestation and reproduction.

[tawny juniper]

alr

[turbid mauve]

Could you please elaborate as to why you won't allow me to have a general discussion regarding this? Thanks.

[safe galleon]

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probly this

[severe idol]

No conversation about mating mechanics.

It's a deep seeded and well documented thing in this community. It's not going to happen, don't even bring it up. It creates the kinds of discussion we don't want.

[turbid mauve]

I'm not talking about mating between two dinosaurs or two mammals where those kinds of graphic details are commonly followed up. I'm speaking about the right to prohibit such mammals (tribals are mammals) to reproduce, in the sense of having offspring. However, if you wish to diminish my voice just because what I am talking about maybe regarded in a different way in your lenses then guess I'll cry myself to sleep cause I in no way brought those kinds of remarks in my discussion.

[barren zephyr]

woah woah woah

[pure vigil]

Sis you ain't being oppressed cos you can't talk about mating

Lmao

[barren zephyr]

what in the goddamn shitter did i just read

[opaque blaze]

Ehhh, wut

[pure vigil]

And that cry yourself to sleep thing ain't gonna work.

[severe idol]

I don't care the gradient or classifications you put on it.

We do not discuss mating in this Discord.

[barren zephyr]

if it's directly related to mating, don't even bother talking about it

simply as that

[opaque blaze]

And these are virtual, fictional entities. Their 'rights' end when the code says it does

[steady lintel]

Well... okay then

[flat crypt]

ah yes, well known video game "the isle" in which you are able to play as a 2 year old human and get murked by dinosaurs straight away

[steady lintel]

I’m sure there’s a sim mod or something out there that better suits there needs 💀

[flat crypt]

I don't think it's really fair to compare dinosaur and merc/tribal/whatever gameplay and thus expect them to have similar things. I don't think they're about to go giving the dinos guns after all

but "juvie human gameplay" is a hilarious concept, I'll give it that

[barren zephyr]

pretty much

I preferably wouldn't like to grow from a baby human to a full grown adult tojust have the chance to use guns

[urban flax]

Oh I missed the mating discussion
😦 so sad
By the way I like that alberto re-remodel, it's a proof that devs did listen to the community 🙂
(And I'm not trolling, I genuinely like it)

[flat crypt]

I like the basic gist of the ourano suggestion (also biased because I love ourano). A herbi that's able to stock up for long journeys is a neat idea

oruano could potentially be an interesting application of a sort of "two-forms" dino. when slimmed its faster but weaker, however when fattened up its slower and stronger. Takes a lot of food, maybe even something specific, to fatten up though. so depending on whether you'd rather play it as a skittish, runs away herbi or a defensive stands it's ground herbi is a choice you can make

[barren zephyr]

Not in the right way

The only change was the position of the head being adjusted and some minute changes, but nothing new

[urban flax]

Its head was slightly too large, and its hips slightly bothered me. The last remodel fixed those two issues

[barren zephyr]

It's not even a perspective shot, because then the head would be tilting downwards

[paper geyser]

they listen, sure, but it's still not ideal

and again, why have we still not got a side view? We can get a whole remodel but not a slight rotation

[urban flax]

I really don't see why people hate this model so much
Especially when compared to legacy alberto

But it's true having a side view would be way better

[paper geyser]

deep state theories say we don't have a side view because they're afraid we'll still think it's bad

[barren zephyr]

Why can't Jake put TI models on his Artstation page, or better yet, why can't The Isle have it's own page for the site in order to get a 3D view?

[paper geyser]

another question added to the list

[barren zephyr]

If we can see the model in 3D, then we can have more accurate criticism on what we want to change.

[compact hare]

And I knew a dumb convo would start about that suggestion (mine)

[odd sedge]

The drawing looks adorable, why do I want that thing now

[hasty dagger]

Holy shit i want to forget nearly everything I just read above me ;-;

[safe galleon]

@vagrant solstice it will be optional

[odd sedge]

My guy, it's legacy

[urban flax]

At this point this almost looks like a troll
But I don't wanna make assumptions

[odd sedge]

The salt tho

[barren zephyr]

Its April Fools lmao

[urban flax]

Oh ight

I forget every year

[odd sedge]

But ngl it did made me wheeze when you complained about not being able to tailride

[distant osprey]

@barren zephyr

To answer your little rant over at general-feedback, you do realize they won’t update legacy, right? They are remaking the entire game so crying about rexes being broken and whatnot ain’t gonna do much. Legacy will shut down at some point once they see evrima as updated enough.

[barren zephyr]

.

[distant osprey]

People still do April fools jokes? okay..

[hasty dagger]

[urban flax]

You're never safe from it

[lofty pagoda]

nice

[barren zephyr]

I like April Fools, shame people forget about it alot

[distant osprey]

Lol tbh I forgot about it. People mess with me all years so It’s kinda just another day to me.

[urban flax]

I hate it because I get caught every time x)

[hybrid matrix]

I whole-heartedly agree with your suggestion zote

[barren zephyr]

D'oh

[hybrid matrix]

:(

[blazing charm]

@vagrant solstice Far as I know, there are plans for server toggles for playables, humans included. There will probably be a ton of community servers that have humans disabled.

[carmine path]

@vagrant solstice I would suggest a channel on youtube called “The Isle News Updates” they take screenshots of Devs responding to important questions such as yours which was actually posted in one of their recent videos

Also looking at streams dev blogs etc

[vagrant solstice]

Interesting, I will check them out

[carmine path]

@distant osprey I would suggest removing those tags on Commander Aronj question as they have all ready stated that answer to be yes in Isle Discussion

[left nacelle]

@snow mantle Similar animals as skins will likely be DLC when the game releases. The devs even mentioned having a carchar skin for giga as DLC. Personally, I think this would work better than perks

[snow mantle]

Paid dlc?

[left nacelle]

Yeah. But it'll likely only be like $5

[snow mantle]

Hhh, not a fan of that

It makes sense from a monetary standpoint, but it’s much more engaging to unlock them through gameplay

[left nacelle]

Well it's a pretty good deal, considering making a skin like that would cost a lot of money

Yeah, but the skins aren't meant to be part of the game. It's not something that you'd unlock, it's more like "You wanna play as this instead of this? Sure"

[snow mantle]

I understand your viewpoint, though I’m still staying firm with mine

[valid elk]

Dakotaraptor has been booted, as well as Corythesaurus.

[last widget]

@pure vigil i think female mercs will def be a thing but actual famous people? no. but yeah have some good lookin women mercs.. i wouldnt say as buff as the men but yk.. def make em look cool. they could be toned and kinda buff.. but not like full on hulk women.

[snow mantle]

Yeah, I know ^^

The suggestion would be a way for the models to be utilized, as opposed to fully integrated

Though they would likely get a remodel

[barren zephyr]

Corytho booted? Injustice

[sudden hinge]

@toxic mantle if you want the devs to listen to your feedback calling them liars doesn’t help your case

[toxic mantle]

No, I'm going to call it what it is

Show us the other angle then

[keen vapor]

@turbid mauve Human growth and animal domestication wouldnt fit the game very well or work. I dont see why humans should ever have growth and why they should be able to domesticate animals?

[sudden hinge]

They didn’t lie to you tho they didn’t have to do anything to the model

It’s just another way to not get taken seriously tbh like they aren’t going to hear anything you tried to say

[toxic mantle]

They said, they were going to show us the a side model constantly. Kept making excuses saying *oh we can't get in touch with our modeler but we will show it first thing we get in contact * paraphrasing of course. Well clearly they got in contact and refused to show the sid review model.

If they don't take me seriously oh well. Not like they taken many posts seriously in feedback anyways

Gab is the only exception I've seen in literal months.

If I see BS, I'll call it out. I dont sugar coat things. That's just how I talk.

[paper oriole]

lol juvie human

[toxic mantle]

God imagine lol.

[paper oriole]

Dropping kids on the mutant dinosaur island with nothing but a bowie knife and a granola bar

[turbid mauve]

Tribals enslave their AI dinosaurs. Humans give food to their dinosaurs(humanplable).

[sudden hinge]

It’s just not that big and like I said it literally doesn’t help at all to accuse them so that whole feedback message is falling on deaf ears if you communicate with people like that @toxic mantle

[violet magnet]

speaking of alberto can we just draw attention to the fact that the only things changed about it were;

• tail length (made shorter)
• belly line (brought down)
• head angle (tipped downward but size wasn't changed)

[paper oriole]

Wait did they make it thinner around its stomach

Instead of fixing its out of balance head/neck

Also ew its hips are still jutting out

[violet magnet]

the thinner stomach was in the original model
the one in the dev blog is the one with the head pointed more downward and the lower stomach line

[paper oriole]

Oh ok

Still kinda ew

So does this guy want human kids on the isle taming dinosaurs or what

[dense wagon]

size of the head wasn't changed, but the neck definitely was. take a closer look, definitely not as beefy as before

[turbid mauve]

It'll be very rare, not every person that's playing a dinosaur will accept the human's peace offering of whatever their offering in the sense of food or water. They could retaliate and kill the human.

[dense wagon]

dont forget the hips. they smoothed them out on the newer model as well

[violet magnet]

it's still the same as it was, it just looks not as beefy because of the angle of the head

[paper oriole]

I mean this will likely happen regardless, people like to mixpack

[dense wagon]

not true, i'm looking at it right now. the picture angle wasn't even changed and it looks less beefy

the head might be dipped downwards but thats not the reason for it

[paper oriole]

But what would the benefit be for a dinosaur to hinder itself with a juvenile human (that shouldnt be on the island anyway) that it could just eat and move on

[sudden hinge]

Silver is right

[dense wagon]

mixpacking is inevitable, but you could give dinosaurs and humans incentive to kill eachother via perks, so its less likely to happen

[turbid mauve]

I main stegosaur so if a juvenile human could climb (humans can have limited climbing) a tree and grab me the fruit I would help it as long as it gives me tasty stuff.

[dense wagon]

i dunno what 'perks' you could give to mercs for hunting dinosaurs, maybe the meat can be used to set traps n shit like that?

[paper oriole]

Aside from the sick humour standpoint i also don't see the appeal of juvie humans either

What would they do aside from getting killed, even adult humans are fodder without weapons

And still very vulnerable with weapons

[turbid mauve]

Its a challenge but its not impossible.

[dense wagon]

kid mercs is stupid
kid tribals could happen

[paper oriole]

Thats like juvie dryo with a broken leg the whole way, doesnt sound fun at all

[dense wagon]

tribals are humanoid but they're also very animal. they could have growth stages

[paper oriole]

Humans are slow, humans are squishy, humans lack physical defenses against many things even their own size range on the isle

Juvie tribals make sense since they are inhabitants and not mercenaries hired to carry out a job

[dense wagon]

ye

[paper oriole]

Why would AE send in child soldiers for any reason aside from pure cruelty it doesnt even make lore sense

[dense wagon]

hey lets send children to a remote island to kill dinosaurs

[turbid mauve]

Tribals are primates, of course, they are smart but their techniques of domesticating animals are outdated and they have to be bigger (8 feet) whereas homosapiens (humans) are smarter.

[dense wagon]

smarter in the sense that the humans have developed weapons and gear
but in terms of gameplay, both are being controlled by a player so they are equal in that sense

[turbid mauve]

Noted.

[tawny juniper]

@toxic mantle You think now that you called them a liar they will give new alberto angle

[paper oriole]

Tribals would also probably have an easier time keeping their ‘tamed’ dinos fed than a human would too, so that method doesnt stand well

[dense wagon]

mercs should be discouraged to 'tame' in all aspects possible

it doesn't make sense at all. you were sent to the island to kill dinos not befriend them

[tawny juniper]

Taming would be kind of interesting but I feel like it would end with people just teaming with their friends in the other faction

[turbid mauve]

Humans could make a serum that boosts an animals growth rate (adrenaline).

[paper oriole]

Humans can get bodyslammed and killed by a fcking dryo lol how are they going to tame these wild animals that would all be apex tier in a modern ecosystem

[tawny juniper]

Like a rex pack grouping up with a merc pack and being unstoppable

[paper oriole]

Maybe they can chill with some of the smaller herbivores but taming? No

[turbid mauve]

Steal a baby egg from a raptor and imprint it.

[paper oriole]

Have fun keeping it fed

[tawny juniper]

That shi doesnt mean its loyal only to you

[paper oriole]

Use all your resources just to keep that pne raptor red lol

[tawny juniper]

An animal is an animal

an animal that is larger then you and can hunt will most likely do that

[icy lion]

stuff like that exists only in the realm of roleplay

[paper oriole]

The utah player can just say fck it and kill you when it gets hungry anyway

[tawny juniper]

For example, you can raise a polar bear but that doesnt mean it won't kill you

Ofc thats an example nobody is raising polar bears as far as I know

[dense wagon]

sounds like a twist on the saying "you can take a horse to water but you cant make it drink"

[turbid mauve]

Beipi unfertilized eggs will be good for humans and if they have enough beipis they could ward off utahs or something of that nature.

[tawny juniper]

How do they get beipis

[icy lion]

roleplay

[toxic mantle]

They weren't going to anyways sooo

[dense wagon]

tribals.
mercs should be actively discouraged to raise dinosaurs

[turbid mauve]

Steal the egg and imprint it, the beipi duck will follow you everywhere and attack those are unfamiliar (ducks do this).

[tawny juniper]

And how do you feed the beipi

[paper oriole]

you really want mercs raising beipis like chickens

[dense wagon]

it'd be cool if the tribals can grow a beipi from birth, sure, but mercs? mercs should not even be able to hatch the eggs

[tawny juniper]

So you go through all this shit just so you can raise a utah, which can be eaten/gunned down in seconds

[turbid mauve]

Guns are a scarce resource, you have to play smarter and think long term.

[dense wagon]

he wants to be owen from JW

[paper oriole]

maybe mercs can have a homa or something else at the bottom of the food chain hang out in their camp and eat canned beans with them lmao

[tawny juniper]

This is the same guy who wanted human pregnancy and the ability to play as a human child

[paper oriole]

oh god wait it is him

[dense wagon]

what

[tawny juniper]

Scroll up roughly 14 hours

not 14

like 12

[dense wagon]

wait wtf

[tawny juniper]

Whole conversation starts here

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/423939730544132096/827064084344078347

[dense wagon]

incubation in the womb gameplay sounds like a fetish

[tawny juniper]

lmao

[paper oriole]

i totally forgot about this conversation and i wish it had stayed that way lmao

[tawny juniper]

Anyway thats not what we're conversating atm

Also what would be fun in the gameplay of a tamed creature other then roleplay?

You just get controlled, Probably stay in a pen until your used, You're given food and water

Then you die

and restart that cycle?

[paper oriole]

humans shouldnt really tame shit, they have equipment they can find and use. at most they can have symbiotic relations with some of the animals, emphasis on some

[tawny juniper]

You can't just tame a creature

It takes thousands of years

[paper oriole]

that's domestication, taming can be done by raising a wild animal

[tawny juniper]

People didn't just see a horse and start using it

[paper oriole]

but on the isle hell no

[tawny juniper]

Domestication yes, got that mixed up lol

[turbid mauve]

A day cycle takes 24 hours and yet in this video it emulated it within a span of thirty minutes.

[tawny juniper]

Ok

Let me do math realquick

Ok this many minutes to domesticate an animal by your logic

10950000

Figure out how many minutes or hours because I don

t want to

[turbid mauve]

Wary cats don't accept food from humans if their strays. However, when I was 13, I would crotch and make myself as small and non threatening as I tried to give it milk/food and it built confidence around me.

[tawny juniper]

Alright

Great story

Can we get back to discussion

Those are still domesticated

Theres a difference between taming a leopard and taming a stray cat

[dense wagon]

small and non threatening will have the exact opposite effect on a dinosaur. it'll make you seem like an easy meal

[tawny juniper]

Stray cats have been domesticated for I dont even know long utah raptors habe not

[paper oriole]

humans could "tame" a compy or a homa, humans will get eaten by their bored "tamed" dilophosaurus

[turbid mauve]

Then don't try to tame something that will immediately kill you.

Simple as that, there is no risk without reward.

[tawny juniper]

t Thats your suggestion?

Wdym

Did you just switch sides

[turbid mauve]

However, if you succeed, you'll have one of the most powerful animals at your defense.

[tawny juniper]

So literally every dinosaurs larger then a hypsi?

[icy lion]

i want you guys to know that this conversation will never end

[tawny juniper]

You just said not to tame something that will kill you

What side are you on

[turbid mauve]

I said if you offer food to a carno(player) it could reliate and kill you or accept the offer and assist you.

[tawny juniper]

Probably accept the offer then kill you

These aren't animals, They are people behind screens

[dense wagon]

stray cats come from domesticated cats. they have gone through generations of domestication, but through unfortunes they wound up on their own. its still their nature to be household animals. wild animals on the other hand, are completely different

[turbid mauve]

That's why you don't want to gamble with carnivorous animals. Try herbivorous, they're kinder.

[icy lion]

lab-created dinosaurs controlled by players are a matter all on their own, as well

[tawny juniper]

They are still players, will probably still kill you

[keen vapor]

Bruh this aint ark lol

[paper oriole]

this guy thinks herbivores are peaceful lol

a deer will literally charge and stamp a cat to death if it doesnt like the way it looks at it

[tawny juniper]

Gallis are herbis and they go kick down juveniles of any species all the time

[dense wagon]

"try herbivorous, they're kinder"

[turbid mauve]

Well, you could just wander by yourself in the vastness of the isle and hope that predator doesn't spot you until you reached a building you can hide at.

[tawny juniper]

Thats kind of the point of the game

[paper oriole]

hippos will literally kos an impala trying to escape lions in a river and just leave the body to rot

herbis will kos humans just like the carnis do

[tawny juniper]

Hope a predator doesn't spot you so you survive longer

[dense wagon]

[icy lion]

i know i will

[paper oriole]

same lol

[keen vapor]

what even is this discussion about

[tawny juniper]

Man wants ark with better graphics

And human pregnancy

[dense wagon]

taming mercs as dinosaurs! wait thats not right

[icy lion]

roleplay

[tawny juniper]

Basically ^

[dense wagon]

ye pretty much

[turbid mauve]

I know I won't, so maybe if that lucky juvenile human comes to me by luck, it may have a chance. It all comes down to chance.

[tawny juniper]

No it doesnt

[icy lion]

it isnt chance, multiple devs have said its not happening

[dense wagon]

juvenile human wtf

[urban flax]

There's no human juveniles

[paper oriole]

@barren zephyr you are in the wrong channel, but to get sandbox dinosaurs in survival you will need to be on an unofficial server where there are multiple methods to get them. join the server's discord and ask them

oh god back on the human juvie subject

[tawny juniper]

This isn't roblox roleplay this is a survval game

[dense wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-falling-fast-gif-18043850

[icy lion]

best to just end it here

[keen vapor]

I really dont think taming would be worth the time implementing and liked by the community all in all.

[tawny juniper]

agreed

Wouldn't even work

[urban flax]

Taming wouldn't work anyway

[tawny juniper]

players will kill the person trying to tame them

after accepting their "offer"

[dense wagon]

class can you explain your logic behind children mercenaries

[paper oriole]

mercs and dinos will probably mix pack on unofficials anyway so just leave it at that if you want your JW roleplay

[urban flax]

The only way I see how it could work is a suggestion I made a while ago

[turbid mauve]

However, if I'm an adult stegosaur and I'm in a herd I won't probably kill any human that comes within range. Do note that I usually wander when I become elder though (as old buffalo bulls do so I aswell want to mimick that behavior).

[keen vapor]

People can roleplay all they want but i dont think that is the way the games development should be headed.

[dense wagon]

buffalo bulls are very aggressive

[paper oriole]

that's you, you're roleplaying. a ton of other bloodthirsty herbi players like myself will impale any merc we can just for funsies

[icy lion]

ok, thats your decision to roleplay

[tawny juniper]

Why wouldnt you kill them, do you lose anything if you do?

[dense wagon]

you lose a potential friend

[tawny juniper]

You might make the choice not to kill them but there isn't a reason not to

[turbid mauve]

Old buffalos that wander off from their herd become easy pickings for hyenas and lions...

[tawny juniper]

he just siad that they were aggressive not that they are invincible wtf

[paper oriole]

in fact its probably beneficial for the stego to kill the merc so it can throw the corpse at the next hungry predator that shows up lmao

[keen vapor]

I really dont understand this discussion. Just roleplay how you want. Leave it at that

[dense wagon]

nah this is entertaining

[turbid mauve]

Agreed.

[keen vapor]

ok go on then

[dense wagon]

i still want to know what your logic is behind children mercs

[keen vapor]

Not that it really matters to me anyways lol

[urban flax]

They're common in anime

[tawny juniper]

@turbid mauve I found a game where you can tame dinosaurs and they have designated roleplay servers!

https://store.steampowered.com/app/346110/ARK_Survival_Evolved/

Steam

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As a man or woman stranded naked, freezing and starving on the shores of a mysterious island called ARK, you must hunt, harvest resources, craft items, grow crops, research technologies, and build shelters to withstand the elements. Use your cunning and resources to kill or tame & breed the leviathan dinosaurs and other primeval creatures roamin...

Price

$49.99

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330242

Metacritic

70

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[paper oriole]

yeah well shooting lazers out of your hands and flying is also common in anime but we aren't getting that either

[turbid mauve]

An elder stegosaurus does not usually kill things that aren't threatening. So, I would probably mimick this behavior.

[turbid mauve]

Ew its not realistic.

[urban flax]

Too bad 😦

[icy lion]

we call that roleplay. you can do that on your own time.

[tawny juniper]

The isle is?

[safe galleon]

and the isle is?

[tawny juniper]

lmao

[tawny juniper]

These aren't animals, they are players if they can kill something usually they will

[dense wagon]

remember that one moment where the stegosaurus impaled a baby diplodocus in walking with dinosaurs

[paper oriole]

yes but see, we are humans controlling the stego so we WILL kos mercs for 3 seconds of giggles

[tawny juniper]

^

[turbid mauve]

The isle is the closest thing to realistic gameplay with powerful graphical effects in my opinion.

That includes dinosaurs, of course.

[tawny juniper]

How is the isle realistic

First of all there are dinosaurs from different periods living together

[dense wagon]

yeah. so dont taint it with stupid things like human impregnancy and children taming dinosaurs

[tawny juniper]

Second half the dinos don't look like they did

Third people are controlling the dinosaurs

fourth the dinosaurs are results of genetic testing

[paper oriole]

he speaks of realism but then wants human mercenaries working on the deadly island full of carnivorous mutants to make babies even though they went there to do a job

[tawny juniper]

idk what world you live in where this stuff is "realistic"

[dense wagon]

and then have those babies fend for themselves on a dinosaur island, because it will be 'interesting gameplay'

[turbid mauve]

That they are all being balanced in a specific niche to be viable? I consider that realistic.

[tawny juniper]

Wherever it is I'll remember not to go there

[valid elk]

Mercs are dude kicked out of a helicopter on dino island, you ain't thinking about banging a girl merc.

[dense wagon]

[tawny juniper]

Ok so theres a single trait of the game thats realistic

[icy lion]

no, thats called making the game fun to play. balance is in every game. literally every one of them

[paper oriole]

also does he know how much of a hinderance pregnancy is? doe she want preggo mercs running around in the woods fighting dinosaurs or what. realism!

[urban flax]

oh god

[icy lion]

just play on semi-real/roleplay servers

[turbid mauve]

The isle is one of a kind, if you can't see that I don't know why you support the game.

[icy lion]

bruh

[paper oriole]

im sure some weirdo will make a mod where we can have babies with machetes on the isle just wait for that

[tawny juniper]

The isle is survival not, "Tame dinosaurs and get pregnant" simulator

[paper oriole]

lmao that made me laugh more than it should

[urban flax]

Actually proposing babies for tribals would've made more sense
But nobody talks about tribals

[tawny juniper]

Agreed it would make more sense but I feel like it wouldn't work too well

Maybe it would idk

[urban flax]

of course it wouldn't

[turbid mauve]

I'm not speaking about mating as I've been already told not to so please don't bring that up. Thank you? As for taming, I think thats an ability us humans have learned to acquired and should be something worth discussing about.

[urban flax]

It's already been discussed a lot of thimes tho

[tawny juniper]

As far as I'm aware we haven't tamed dinosaurs or really any large carnivore

[urban flax]

Taming dinos was planned for TRIBALS only, but it's still not confirmed because it has a lot of flaws

[icy lion]

itd have to be ai dinos only

[tawny juniper]

^

[icy lion]

it simply wont work with human players unless theyre on a rules/semireal server

[tawny juniper]

Idk why you can't see features past roleplay

[turbid mauve]

You can tame a large herbivore though. It seems feasible.

[tawny juniper]

These would be great for roleplay

but nothing else really

[urban flax]

Well I've got the solution about that and I like to rant about it so here it is
#general-feedback message

About taming and AI*

[turbid mauve]

Taming AI will be for tribals(primates), basic stuff like enslaving that they can do because they're a bit more robust than their (homosapien) human counterparts. Taming dinosaur(player) will fall under the category of roleplay, the human offers food or water, the dinosaur(player) either retaliate or accepts the human and protects it.

[urban flax]

The fact is you're not supposed to be able to tell human players apart from AI

[keen vapor]

I wouldnt call it taming when you pack with dino players. Its kinda just co operative teamwork

[urban flax]

But as long as it's only a roleplay feature, who am I to judge

[turbid mauve]

Think of it as having a dog for human players but in case it's a Utah.

[steady lintel]

Play ark

[turbid mauve]

Ark is just ew in my opinion, so no.

Can we discuss AI behavior?

Will I see actual herds of stuff when AI dinosaur gets introduced into the game?

[urban flax]

hopefully

[turbid mauve]

Haha, the rex kills an AI teno instead of me. That'd be the day.

[paper oriole]

What's that in suggestions? Oh it's just minmi but modern and worse

[urban flax]

Actually I didn't really look at it
I just read "I know you're gonna put X's" so I put one to make him happy

I susually do that on every suggestion that says "You are gonna put an X"

[icy lion]

yea lol

[hybrid matrix]

its carnivorous minmi

i wanna kno why alligator snapping turtles should be added

[paper oriole]

Whats it gonna eat tho lol a drowning conpy? A fish?

[hybrid matrix]

well its obviously gonna eat fish

[tawny juniper]

Also its so modern it wouldnt really fit

[hybrid matrix]

idk

yeah

[tawny juniper]

Its like putting an elephant in instead of trike

[urban flax]

people out there really wanna play rock simulator

[hybrid matrix]

the only modern animals that we should have are birds and rodents

[tawny juniper]

^

[hybrid matrix]

not capybara sized rodents

white mouse sized rodents

[paper oriole]

Not new York sewer rat sized rodents?

[tawny juniper]

What are your guys thoughts on some sort of anole niche for the tree climbing raptor

Anoles can be green or brown

and can change between them

[paper oriole]

If youre talking bout herrerasaurus it isnt a raptor

[tawny juniper]

oh mb

[hybrid matrix]

also

[icy lion]

i like the idea, activate an ability where your whole skin darkens

[hybrid matrix]

isnt herra based on an anole in the first place? at least its skin is i think

[tawny juniper]

idk maybe

[icy lion]

it is, sort of anole/iguana

[hybrid matrix]

anoleguana

[tawny juniper]

I think it would also compliment its tree climbing ability

When its on the ground, green to blend in with foliage and in the tree brown to be harder to see

[turbid mauve]

Why didn't I think of this?

[hybrid matrix]

speaking of trees and darker colors for camo, wut do u think of having the underside of treetops being dark?
like in a jungle with a thick canopy that lets little to no light through

[tawny juniper]

I like it

Would make it scarier to think that a herrera may drop down on you at any instant

[pure vigil]

I used them as examples of styles and looks. I'd rather not have famous people either.

[rotund silo]

Since there are gonna be humans you think they'll add animals from the Cenozoic era

[hybrid matrix]

no

the humans are mercenaries that were sent to the island to fulfill a contract
we arent getting tribal humans (although we are getting tribals, but they arent humans)

[rotund silo]

Ok

[hybrid matrix]

Any thoughts on Ultra-thick jungles?

[pure fulcrum]

i like it

sounds like something you wouldnt want to enter

[hybrid matrix]

thats the point

[paper oriole]

@rotund silo

[rotund silo]

Y'all don't like anything 😂

[paper oriole]

Arch is tiny af

[hybrid matrix]

yeha

[paper oriole]

What would he do eat bugs?

[hybrid matrix]

its compy sized

its compy with feathers

[paper oriole]

Add shanag or changyuraptor instead lol

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

[paper oriole]

Its like crow sized

[hybrid matrix]

shanag bc its easier to type

[paper oriole]

Shanag has a funni name and is around velo sized so he is a better option

[rotund silo]

I just like playing as the under dog of the Dino world

[hybrid matrix]

arch isnt the under dog
its the ant

its a fucking ant compared to everything else in the roster

an underdog is smthn like troodon or velo

or beipi

[rotund silo]

I know that's why I chose him out of all the others 🤣

[paper oriole]

Arch wouldnt even be worth killing it is completely inconsequential to the ecosysten

It wouldnt be able to kill anything either

[hybrid matrix]

well

maybe a compy

[paper oriole]

Maybe but compy players will likely be scarce and compy ai looks like it groups up so the arch would get lynch mobbed

[hybrid matrix]

yep

[pure vigil]

Arch AI would be neat.

[hybrid matrix]

why

[pure vigil]

Just adding to the atmosphere of the world, is all.

[hybrid matrix]

thats not a reason to spend thousands of dollars to add smthn the size of a robin

[paper oriole]

Ok depending on which compy we're getting it might actually beat arch's ass 1v1

[hybrid matrix]

compy already does this in the same way

[rotund silo]

Eoraptor🤣

[hybrid matrix]

see?
arch is literally just a bird

[hybrid matrix]

what about it

[brave rampart]

Arch could just be an ambient ai

You can see them moving around and chirping but they disappear out of your line of sight

[rotund silo]

@hybrid matrix is worth it

[hybrid matrix]

brb
gotta change my mouse battery

[vale pawn]

id unironically play as arch

[carmine path]

Laptop nerd, speaking of Laptops I wonder if Mercs will have some form of electronic device besides radios

[rotund silo]

@vale pawn see he gets it

[paper oriole]

What would you eat? What would hunt you? May as well make the firefly ambience playable

[odd sedge]

Okay okay, to be honest, I like the idea of a gliding / arboreal creature.
But maybe slightly bigger. Perhaps between the size of the velo and herra

[hybrid matrix]

yeah
shanag

[paper oriole]

Hence Changyuraptor or shanag

[rotund silo]

They could be scavengers but that would be hard life to try an live

[hybrid matrix]

arch is tiny

[hybrid matrix]

thats just compy

[rotund silo]

Yea basically

[paper oriole]

Better size

Or even

[vale pawn]

oh yea

[odd sedge]

Well then lets rather make a suggestion about that, because we already have a nice niche and a cool mechanic

[paper oriole]

I made a shanag suggest a bit back

[odd sedge]

Maybe it went a bit under

[paper oriole]

#general-feedback message

[hybrid matrix]

only way i could see archy getting added is if it replaces those 2D wings that fly out of trees when you roar

[rotund silo]

Chose one

[vale pawn]

uh

[hybrid matrix]

from where

[paper oriole]

Someone also suggested fictionalizing balaur to be a glider which would be a bit weird but still better than micro or arch lol

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

but again

only way that i could see micro or arch getting added is to replace the 2D birds that fly out of trees when u roar

[rotund silo]

A small or medium size Dino that isn't in the game

[hybrid matrix]

jesus christ i just noticed that cerato

holy fuck is that thing annorexic

[paper oriole]

Balaur is a cool looking guy so i wouldnt complain if it was fictionalized well. Micro and arch are worth no more than ambience at most

[hybrid matrix]

all of those dinos are shrinkwrapped jesus fuck

[hybrid matrix]

THE TRIKE

[vale pawn]

ITS NECK

[pure fulcrum]

that trike is seconds away from fucking collapsing

[hybrid matrix]

OH MY GOD THE REX'S ARMS

[dense wagon]

thats disgusting

[paper oriole]

Naked ovi
Naked ovi

[vale pawn]

pachy is skinny

[dense wagon]

shrinkwrapped to the point where they dont even look like they can function as actual animals

[hybrid matrix]

[paper oriole]

The para lol

[vale pawn]

idk what it is, but the taco is giving me an uneasy feeling

[icy lion]

all of them are giving me an uneasy feeling lol

[dense wagon]

these are worse than the Jurassic world designs

[hybrid matrix]

[pure vigil]

That eoraptor is small enough to steal secrets from you while you dream

[rotund silo]

Why you guys hating on this person's drawing at least he tried 😂🤣

[icy lion]

because it says its from 2014 but looks like 1980

[dense wagon]

lmao

[hybrid matrix]

yup

[rotund silo]

[hybrid matrix]

is that supposed to be a brachi? its a giraffatitan

[vale pawn]

its neither

[vale pawn]

no

[rotund silo]

Yes😂

[paper oriole]

rex offender

[hybrid matrix]

The onion is gold and this is why

[rotund silo]

Every Dino is getting violated 😂

So protect your hatchlings

[pure vigil]

Why does it have a butt on top of its head

[hybrid matrix]

omg it does

[barren zephyr]

The onion

dent head

[left nacelle]

@barren zephyr It's been confirmed that humans will be locked to first person

Mercs at least, don't know about tribals (Even tho they're barely humans)

[barren zephyr]

if tribals aren't humans then merc = human

anyway. I'm just suggesting that they add third person

[left nacelle]

Oh I thought oyu were saying please DON'T give us third person, my bad can't read

[barren zephyr]

that's okay hehe

[left nacelle]

But nah, third person is a bad decision

It lets people look around corners and stuff and would really ruin the horror aspect

[swift dew]

dont give us third person for mercs, anything with a gun should never have third person

[barren zephyr]

I disagree, I think it'll be nice

[hybrid matrix]

it ruins the horror aspect

[left nacelle]

If I'm playing a game, and I can just look around a corner without something seeing me, I'm not gonna be nearly as scared to look around that corner lol

[barren zephyr]

herbivorous dinosaurs can "look around corners" too, I don't see the point

[swift dew]

because they dont have guns to shoot the guy at the end of a hall

[left nacelle]

That's different. They don't have guns

[barren zephyr]

not like there are many corners anyways. it's usually trees, the dinosaurs tend to stay away from the buildings

[swift dew]

tell that to the inside of buildings (and the utahraptor inside)

[left nacelle]

Yeah there aren't many corners now but humans are going to be going in buildings and stuff

[hybrid matrix]

ur the one that brought up herbis lookin around corners

[barren zephyr]

it's not going to give humans an advantage though that literally has no bearings on it

[left nacelle]

It will tho

We're just repeating stuff the devs have already said btw

[hybrid matrix]

also troodons and dilos and every small carnivore is gonna be hunting ppl down in buildings

[swift dew]

trust me it will, when humans are spending 30% of their time inside buildings, or traveling underground (which might be a thing) it will give them a huge advantage

[hybrid matrix]

i think a better idea is giving humans the ability to peak to the left or right (if u peak around a corner ur able to be seen if there's something around the corner)

[left nacelle]

And again, it ruins the horror aspect, which will be one of the fun things about playing as a human

[barren zephyr]

like what you can do in a fps game

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

[left nacelle]

Wouldn't be surprised if that's a thing, since the devs say they want something like Tarkov, and iirc you can do that in Tarkov

[barren zephyr]

ok I'm not incredibly articulate right now but no it won't
and if it does, it is a positive thing. ammunition will be scarce

I mean we're playing as mercs
something like that would be HELPFUL, very helpful and would certainly fit

[left nacelle]

Can you explain how it won't give humans an advantage?

[hybrid matrix]

yeah
its helpful but it isnt cheaty

3rd person means u can look around corners without exposing urself even a little bit

[barren zephyr]

are we going to have 3rd person as a merc?
Honestly, I prefer 1st person

[barren zephyr]

there are plenty of ways to work around that

[hybrid matrix]

peaking means u can look around corners but u do have to expose urself a little

[left nacelle]

No, we're not

[swift dew]

it would definitly be realistic to peak, but the problem is the utah at the end of the hall now knows your there, where if you had third person you could peal and the utah doesn't know

[hybrid matrix]

how

[hybrid matrix]

thats the point

its helpful

but its not OP

[barren zephyr]

thought so

collision boxes on corners so that you can't look around them

be creative

[hybrid matrix]

dude this is the reason that peaking is better than 3rd person

[left nacelle]

But then that's a pain cause if you're trying to navigate a room your camera will go all over the place hitting those collision boxes

[barren zephyr]

well than
What's the point of a horror survival game if you want to diverge that away from the game?

adds fright

[hybrid matrix]

yup

[barren zephyr]

again. be creative

[hybrid matrix]

we are being creative
add peaking

there

[swift dew]

i know, that is what I was saying you can peak, and now you have a problem, and that problem is a utahraptor.

[barren zephyr]

there are ways to work around it. you could make it like deadspace where the camera is sorta behind the shoulders of the player

[hybrid matrix]

also why go thru all the trouble of making 4rd person viable when u can just add peaking

[left nacelle]

Or.... hear me out..... we can just lock humans to first person

[barren zephyr]

^

[hybrid matrix]

[left nacelle]

Sorry for the passive aggressiveness btw

[swift dew]

[barren zephyr]

you are being incredibly dismissive and rude

"again. be creative" ?

[hybrid matrix]

WE

i didnt mean to click enter

[steady lintel]

The game scum has 3rd person and they don’t let u peek corners

[hybrid matrix]

[steady lintel]

Real players just don’t show up

[barren zephyr]

would not say that's dismissive or rude

[left nacelle]

That's why I apologized. But I don't see the point in adding a ton of things to stop people from looking around corners when you can just lock mercs to first person

[barren zephyr]

see this is what I'm talking about, there are ways around it

[hybrid matrix]

its dismissive of our ideas

[barren zephyr]

it's being obnoxious
we're giving you suggestions

[barren zephyr]

just. because it adds depth to gameplay and it looks nice

[barren zephyr]

and doesn't fit the horror survival genre

[left nacelle]

First person can look nice too tho, and it's more immersive

[barren zephyr]

your suggestions are "keep things the way they are," not a suggestion at all

[swift dew]

its less terrifying to see a utahraptor jump on your character, rather than it jump onto you and then it biting your screen

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but isnt it just more efficient to add 1 mechanic instead of spending a ton of time and money to make a different mechanic work?

[barren zephyr]

my suggestion is that we add peaking and keep in 1st person
because it is already what targets the genre and brings a better experience

[barren zephyr]

dead space is a horror game and it works fine

[hybrid matrix]

or or or
if it pounces on ur back then u should go face down on the floor

[north nimbus]

dead space isn’t survival horror

[barren zephyr]

I mean, peaking is fine if it's exclusive to 1st person. but I think the game would benefit from having humans in 3rd person

[hybrid matrix]

how would it benefit

no seriously
tell me what the benefits are

[barren zephyr]

this is The Isle though

1st person makes everything bigger in size, when you're in that perspective and play it works better with the gamer as they can 'relate' and be the character (understanding size). It brings immersion to the audience. Alongside fits the bloody genre more effectively

[barren zephyr]

why are we so horny for genre labels
if a feature is nice, then it's nice. it doesn't matter the genre

[swift dew]

i mean, punch already said nothing that has guns should ever be in third person, soo...

[left nacelle]

That is a very false statment

[hybrid matrix]

it rlly fucking does

u cant have blood and gore in minecraft bc u think its nice
thats not part of the genre

the genre isnt just a label, its a restriction

[barren zephyr]

the game is not scary the majority of the time and I doubt that will change for humans. gathering water, hunting, etc. in 1st person is visually ugly

[hybrid matrix]

humans wont hunt

[barren zephyr]

no lol it's because it doesn't fit the game

why are u splitting hairs

[left nacelle]

The game isn't scary right now

[barren zephyr]

ok

because if something takes a game away from it's genre... the audience doesn't get what they want.
The original genre wont be as effective onto the audience

the game is in Alpha rn

they're building up to their genre

okay to bring it back. having third person for humans will not make it any less scary

it will make it less scary

[hybrid matrix]

it will
everything will look smaller and thats bad
ur supposed to feel tiny as a human (thats part of the horror)

[left nacelle]

It would make it less scary. Also using a flashlight with a third person camera can be a bitch

[barren zephyr]

I have played many third person horror games, and them being third person does not make it any less scary

[hybrid matrix]

name them

[left nacelle]

Those games are built with third person in mind tho. This game isn't

[hybrid matrix]

i guarantee the monsters werent bigger than you

[barren zephyr]

that's because the isle is also a survival game

[swift dew]

your arguing for a lost cause, mercs are going to be 1st person

[barren zephyr]

notably dead space. which I have mentioned multiple times

[barren zephyr]

...and I'm suggesting that it be different

[hybrid matrix]

and are the monsters bigger than you?

[barren zephyr]

yes lol
some are, some aren't

[left nacelle]

I've been playing a lot of Red Dead recently, and when I first saw the wolves I thought they were waaay tinier than they should be. Upon closer inspection, turns out they're a pretty accurate size and they look smaller cause third person

[hybrid matrix]

do they look bigger than you?

[barren zephyr]

yes

look, please research filmic techniques

camera angles especially
alongside a POV shot

for your sake Lydia, and ours

[hybrid matrix]

i mean like do they look like they're as big as they should be

[barren zephyr]

human gameplay isn't really built at all. the rest of the game that the isle is, though, is built around third person

[left nacelle]

Not true. A long time ago bushes used to be huge because humans weren't in the game and the size didn't matter. Now they need to take humans into account when making the size of things

[barren zephyr]

I am sleep deprived and this sounds like computer noises can you dumb it down for me pls

[hybrid matrix]

dude the monsters in deadspace arent bigger than you
i looked it up on steam

[hybrid matrix]

if u look at smthn from rlly far away then it looks smaller

also

[barren zephyr]

that's why I suggested the camera be closer to the model

[hybrid matrix]

if u want evidence that 3rd person makes things look smaller, compare a utahraptor to a t rex in legacy

[barren zephyr]

lower field of view or something. the camera would be very close

[swift dew]

or it can be closest to the model, by being in its eyes

[left nacelle]

[hybrid matrix]

things will still looks smaller than they actually are
its bc ur perspective is above ur actual model

[barren zephyr]

you're really not adding anything to the conversation by being like that

[left nacelle]

Also first person could make a VR mode possible in the future

[barren zephyr]

I think it should be toggleable, 1st and 3rd perspective I mean

[left nacelle]

Bad idea. Cause then the people who like first person over third person would be at a disadvantage because of the lower FOV. Hence why barely anyone plays GTA in first person

[barren zephyr]

fair enough ig, still think humans should have third person. it just looks better to me

[hybrid matrix]

also
no one would play 1st person bc they dont have to deal with the spookiness

[barren zephyr]

we're playing a horror survival game

sometimes an understanding on how camera angles and camera shots is more effective than other angles and shots

Firstly- 1st person (POV - Point of View)

• a POV shot would be used to bring the audience/player into the game (figuratively) as they ARE in the game. Playing the game from the POV of the merc.

Secondly- POV shot effect on a low angle shot (camera, low, points up)

• This camera shot is used to make things big... BIG. Alongside creating an idea for the audience that this thing is much larger and therefore very dangerous. For example, watching a trex run at you- this brings immersion and creates fright for the audience.

there is your explanation

[left nacelle]

Out of curiosity, what first person games have you played? Cause first person can look better than third person

[barren zephyr]

I love making movies for the isle. I use them as they bring meaning to the game and my videos.

filmic techniques is important

[hybrid matrix]

with obvious exceptions
like little nightmares

[left nacelle]

Little Nightmares isn't first person tho

[swift dew]

Mercenaries will definitely be first person. Something that has access to guns should never be able to use third person (this was hell to find and is copy and pasted directly from punch's message)

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but theres a mod for 1st person in LN 2

[barren zephyr]

third person can be spooky too. I don't think it's fair to make this call without seeing an example

[left nacelle]

Oh didn't know that. Interesting

[barren zephyr]

there are a lot of in-game mechanics that sound bad on paper, but that people don't really complain about because they are taken for granted

didn't even acknowledge my block

I'll think of an example

[left nacelle]

Third person horror games don't work well with large creatures tho

[barren zephyr]

ik ik I'm getting there

I'm sorry ;-;

[barren zephyr]

not true at all, ever played god of war?

a good horror game can have 3rd person

but depending on the game's other genres, 1st person helps a lot more

[left nacelle]

God of war isn't a horror game tho?

[hybrid matrix]

ever compared a utahraptor to t rex in legacy?

[swift dew]

um... they are carnivores

[barren zephyr]

in size, not diet

[barren zephyr]

just because it doesn't have the word horror slapped onto it doesn't mean it doesn't make you feel small. which is the point

it makes you feel small. third person perspective can work to make you feel small and emphasize how big other things are

but it isn't effective in this genre

[hybrid matrix]

dude
compare a utahraptor to a t rex and tell me that doesnt look out of proportion

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but only if those other things are FUCKING GINORMOUS

[barren zephyr]

I genuinely do not understand the point you are trying to make

[barren zephyr]

but it lacks the feel of being there

you're figuratively just watching your character, not being it

which, in a horror, is a big need

[hybrid matrix]

my point is that 3rd person screws up size

[left nacelle]

God of War is a lot more cinematic than The Isle tho. Shadow of The Colossus is another good example of a game that makes you feel small. But it's the camera angles in those games that do that, those angles wouldn't work well in The Isle

[barren zephyr]

I feel like I am my utah when I'm playing in third person as a dinosaur

[swift dew]

take botw for example, you play in third person and you don't get to grasp the actual size of the enemies your facing, but they are really much larger than you. much larger.

[left nacelle]

No Man's Sky is another example. My own ship freaked me out the first time I played in VR

[hybrid matrix]

if u compare a utahraptor to a rex in legacy and then you compare the first person size of a tribal to a rex then u can see that the rex looks tiny compared to the utah but huge compared to the rex

[barren zephyr]

you can feel like you're anything honestly.
that's the point of a game

but using techniques can boost the feeling of being there
if it's done right, and with purpose

[barren zephyr]

I do not just feel like I am there but also like I am the animal. it's just a matter of how your brain works and I don't think it's worth arguing about

many would beg to differ

[left nacelle]

Third person for the dinos makes sense tho. They use melee attacks and they're meant to be more in-tune with their environment. First person for mercs makes most sense cause it makes it easier to aim, and limits their FOV to make it harder to see around corners and through foliage

[barren zephyr]

third person would work fine if done correctly. it wouldn't mess up perceived scale if the camera was close enough and it wouldn't make it any less scary

[hybrid matrix]

i can confirm that aiming is easier in 1st person than in 3rd

[hybrid matrix]

it would but ok

[swift dew]

this doesn't even matter, it* clearly isnt going to be swayed and we can just come back in 3 hours to point out his inevitable 50 X's

[barren zephyr]

I agree to disagree

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

[left nacelle]

This whole argument is pointless tho. Mercs will be in first person, that has been the plan for years now. Dondi in particular hates when long ranged characters are in third person

[barren zephyr]

what does this mean

[swift dew]

fine then

[barren zephyr]

that's what a suggestion is for. for things to be changed from how they are

[swift dew]

It*

[barren zephyr]

let's just agree to a stalemate

:l

[left nacelle]

Yeah, but that's a feature that isn't going to be changed

[barren zephyr]

as the devs don't even care about it as we know we're getting 1st person

and a 3rd person camera could always be brought into via mods

[left nacelle]

It likely will be. I'd be surprsied if it wasn't

[barren zephyr]

not point arguing about this anymore really, as lydia said they are tired

and we're honestly getting no where XD

it's just a discussion like

[hybrid matrix]

fine how about this

imagine ur in the jungle and its night time

u hear a bush rustle

you look around, seeing nothing

[carmine path]

Bro why you gotta mess it up

[left nacelle]

What are you even trying to spell

[hybrid matrix]

then suddenly you fall to the ground, a sharp pain in ur back

[carmine path]

QE Keys

[left nacelle]

Oooh

[hybrid matrix]

ur face in the dirt as u scream in pain, but its too late

ur already dead

e should stay as interact

[left nacelle]

Well that wouldn't work since E will likely be the interaction key

[carmine path]

F

[hybrid matrix]

also q could be like a compass thing

[barren zephyr]

just ctrl + a or d

sillies

[left nacelle]

Q and f would be awkward and F is a call button so it'll probably be used for a hand signal

[hybrid matrix]

guys

[carmine path]

F and E interchangeable

[hybrid matrix]

q should pull out a compass

[carmine path]

K compass

[barren zephyr]

could make it crouch + direction like in alien isolation

[barren zephyr]

I'd like a compass button

a lot better than just sniff sniff

that makes sense 2 me

[hybrid matrix]

i say q bc thats the sniff button for dinos and it brings up a compass, so it should be the compass button for humans

[barren zephyr]

however, Q and E would feel a lot more better if you're trying to peak

[hybrid matrix]

ooh

wut about the arrow keys?

wait no

hmmmm

[icy lion]

then you either cant move or cant look around

[hybrid matrix]

yeah thats why i changed my mind

[icy lion]

humans arent getting calls per se, punch mentioned hand signs

so its possible f could be interact and qe can be lean

[hybrid matrix]

wut about alt + mouse button

[icy lion]

man i forgot alt existed lol

[hybrid matrix]

f should be flashlight

[icy lion]

yea alt is already used for other abilities so itd make sense

[left nacelle]

You guys are missing the obvious solution. Just hold down Left Alt and press Q/E to peek

[icy lion]

yea

[left nacelle]

Omg

[hybrid matrix]

or

[left nacelle]

The timing

[hybrid matrix]

or

just alt plus mouse buttons