general-feedback-discussion

[swift dew]

ark is stupid it exists in some sort of controlled envirnment. And for the record, i didnt say adding new biomes was bad, its just it would look stupid adding cool climate biomes to a tropical island

[last widget]

i mean i can also see the difficulty of having a vast jungle and tropical then bam snow right there, but i'm pretty sure that's not how different biomes will be placed, as we really cant say as we dont have a new mapper yet. no i know you didn't say it was bad i'm just saying like they def could with how huge the map is, also ark is very stupid i hate that game. but yeah different biomes on like small islands like no.. but also i don't see like a whole snow biome next to a jungle like they would have to mix it well, like maybe a dry grass land or something that got colder as you went through before having to get over a mountain into the snow but who knows for now.

[swift dew]

the coldest biome i can see being added to spero, or spiro is cold moutains, anything lower would have to be pertty warm, similar to v3 as that had pretty good diversity witout going to outlandish for the climate of the island

but spero and spiro are way more tropical, and have way less options when it comes to different biomes without looking outright ridiculous

[last widget]

wel idk, i def see snow being added not anytime soon, but before snow i can see other biomes being added first such as red woods. yeah i mean we couldnt have a tropical island then wham snow lol

[swift dew]

i hope thenyaw (because they already confirmed a remake for thenyaw i think) will have a more mild climate so they could have more options when it comes to biomes, they could have different grass, different trees, and there could be alot of biome diversity without looking like an ark map

[ashen wasp]

snow's been hinted at as a possibility, specifically within a temperature-regulated dome, snow instantly evaporating through a torn-open hole in its side when coming into contact with the jungle air. I'm v excited to see atriums fully realized, embracing the islands' status as artificial ecosystems

[ashen wasp]

oh, and for dart's nesting suggestion, the new nesting system's been said (and shown in concepts) to be more interactive than in the past, with at least some animals (Beipi, Ovi?, Ptera?) needing to collect materials to build and maintain their nests

[swift dew]

@fervent atlas to add onto this, if you don't do anything as a juvie, so your slower and weaker, it is possible to gain the attributes back as an adult, its just harder

[steady lintel]

@fervent atlas I always thought the same way, like as a juvie having ur food lower for an extended amount of time more often compared to always being filled with cause you to gain a perk with decreased food loss

[valid elk]

Anyone wanna talk about my idea?

[steady lintel]

A lot like how kids born in famine will gain weight faster due to there  metabolism decreasing a lot due to lack of food

[barren zephyr]

oh certainly

I do think nests shouldn't be the same for each and every species

[valid elk]

Right? I like the idea of some animals nests being "better looking", like Velociraptors and Troodons adding shiny stuff and Pteranodon finding pretty rocks.

[barren zephyr]

yeah

[steady lintel]

I always liked the idea of pt flying around and picking up a certain amount of twigs then placing them in a pile to unlock the animation of building a nest

And making like a giant hawks nest or something like that and having it in high up places

Feel like it would make it a more in depth system

[last widget]

pretty sure its already planned.

[steady lintel]

I hope so but at the same time I saw an old clip of pt nesting and it looked very much like the generic dig a pile of dirt and bam there’s the nest

Could be a place holder or just a test but in general haven’t heard much of anything planned for nesting

[last widget]

probs early on, but new nesting for evrima is a long ways and once that starts coming up pretty sure we will start seeing that stuff like new nests etc.

[steady lintel]

At this point u gotta be trolling

[barren zephyr]

this was before and after the #phase-two-archive photos of the new environment

[steady lintel]

Alright this same person tho was arguing nonstop against dense foliage all together and making it seem like they were practically blind in all areas of the jungle

[safe galleon]

denser doesn't mean making you practically blind

[steady lintel]

Well my argument was you weren’t practically blind in the first place unless you wanted to be

Either way I find it funny coming from someone who was going back and forth with jungles in the first place

[safe galleon]

but that doesn't mean that they want the same dense jungle as before

just denser

[mystic kestrel]

reading suggestion in this discord I'm now 100% sure people forget it's suppose to be a game and not a Dino simulator

[barren zephyr]

Survival Horror

[steady lintel]

I understood that but when he first was talking about it he blew it way out of proportions says how as a baby teno he is literally blind in jungle and I literally sent him a clip of me traversing the jungle as a baby teno and being able to see in my vicinity and simple avoiding huge brush

He never responded back on how I managed to do it while he is still completely blind but he still just kept the argument of less dense but now it’s not dense enough for them

So ig I just find it kinda indecisive

Like okay they make the deep jungle dense or a certain biome dense I’m sure they will post saying it’s to dense, that’s my point

[toxic jay]

Hello and good day! After having played on legacy servers for some time, and comparing the old to the new, I notice that the direction key responsiveness seem to be vastly higher in Evrima. While that might be for gameplay purposes, I cannot help but feel as if all dinos have very low mass in them. Legacy really nailed the feeling of weight and momentum (not consideting alt turn). EVRIMA so far looks a little more arcade-ish and jerky when switching directions. Does the developers have any plans for making the movement more realistic in therms of weight, direction change and momentum?

[urban flax]

Well currently all dinos in evrima are small ones (except stego)

And it's more a problem of animation instead of mechanics

[toxic jay]

Yeah that is a valid point, though Carnos are pretty big too. I believe the jerky responsiveness could be fixed by limiting how quick you can turn on the spot, finding that sweet spot where it both looks pretty believable and makes tail-riding a challenge

[urban flax]

Tail raiding shouldn't exist in the first place

[barren zephyr]

all animations are not final.
This being noted especially with Utah, with it getting a new sitting animation

[idle ibex]

Honestly, just add a color saturation bar in the settings. I loved the old bright and vibrant colors when evrima first came out, but other people didnt. You could change it around to fit how bright you want it to be.

[urban flax]

Reposting because you got a lot of upvotes ? 🤔
What's the meaning of that ?

[ashen wasp]

unless it's done by AI birds on a Stego's thagomizers-- high five

[quartz lantern]

@knotty basin No, this is general feedback for the game, #401464048610312195 is the general chat 🙂

[thorn glacier]

@upbeat marten I actually kind of like the dull skins on the females tbh. I think they look much better than the skins on their male counterparts. However, I definitely think the sexual dimorphism should be species specific. Like the males of some species could be duller than the females just for some variety. Anyway, my point is there's definitely an audience out there for the duller skins.

[upbeat marten]

I was at least thinking more tropical dinos could have colorful males and females
like ovi, hypsi, troodon, herra and such

[thorn glacier]

Well our Hypsi is just the king saxony bird of paradise so I don't think the females will have much color to them

But ovi, troodon, and herra females could definitely have some nice color to them

female hypsi will likely look like the duller bird in this image

[upbeat marten]

yeah

[valid elk]

@barren zephyr Albinoism was originally planned to be a sort of warning to other players. "Hey, this dude kills his own kind, probably eats them too. Stay the fuck away."

[barren zephyr]

lol

but still tell me if this doesnt look good, despite the fact that it destroys your camo and gives you a challenge in hunting or hiding

[valid elk]

It absolutely does, buuuuut if you can't hunt, how will you survive

[hybrid matrix]

be a herbivore

[urban flax]

I prefer albinism as a penalty for cannibalism like devs stated rather than a random chance of occuring when spawning

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

[urban flax]

Because if I don't want to play albinos but the 1/1000 chance triggers, what do I do ? Suicide and spawn again

[swift dew]

what if its a snowy map?

[barren zephyr]

act like the sauropod from primal

[urban flax]

And on the other hand there are people who will suicide 999 times until they finally span in as an albino (yeah I know that's not how statistics work)

[strange wave]

@barren zephyr albinism should be a punishment for inbreeding and ignoring the diet system and then going off to nest in other players

[barren zephyr]

mmh, good idea

[valid elk]

You want to be a cold blooded alligator in a snow map?

Or do you mean dinosaurs, not Deinosuchus?

[barren zephyr]

i'd enjoy a lovely white croc but not a rex or a para . . .

[swift dew]

i meant like other things, not just deino

[strange wave]

it shouldnt just be 1/3000 chance that you get to suicide your dinosaur and start again

[valid elk]

I like snow owls a bit more than pure albino. Give me a min

https://youtu.be/LZWIpM80TZk

[hybrid matrix]

i feel like albinism should also apply to strains but not species specific, so if you're hyper rex and you kill a hyper spino you should slowly become an albino just because albino strains are awesome and there aren't gonna be too many hypers online for you to eat and become albino
also this would apply to magnas, tissos, and neuros

[valid elk]

Give me this for a feathered raptor and I'd be happy

[barren zephyr]

aha, fred the chad

[valid elk]

Right?

[swift dew]

derptah that tail wouldn't be too weak, it could be used as a weapon for when you get attacked by a bunch of small things, knocking them over so you could then go for the finishing bite

[hybrid matrix]

not what im saying

[dim umbra]

The albism thing was talked on early by Dondi. It was originally planed to be this way: If you are a real dick as a carnivore player and canibalaise your own members, you will turn to albino to be punished.
I don't know if that is still the plan, but that is what Dondi sayed in 2018. Because being an albino ain't that cool when you trie to survive

[hybrid matrix]

remove ur ✅ so i can spell it properly

im trying to say that they're making it too weak

too weak + plug

plug as in power

bc there is no other w

it shouldnt do minor fractures

it should be mainly cc

with mild fractures

[swift dew]

doesn't minor and mild mean a very similar thing?

in this case

[hybrid matrix]

minor = small
mild = medium
major = large

[swift dew]

severe sounds better for the large fractures

[snow dock]

I meant smaller creatures when I was thinking fractures like utah and maybe carno and not much bc that tail has a lot of mass

[valid elk]

I always thought minor means extra small and mild means small.

[hybrid matrix]

bro

[valid elk]

Maybe just how I see it.

[hybrid matrix]

ur making it too weak

[snow dock]

Got any suggestions?

[hybrid matrix]

that tail is much stronger than you're making it out to be

[swift dew]

nah, a deino could smack a utah into the next dimention with that tail, it should be able to at least give it medium fractures, if not more

[hybrid matrix]

i'd say it should kill smalls (except for maia and cera)

[hybrid matrix]

exactly

now

an interesting thought

charging the tail

eh? eh?

thoughts?

[paper geyser]

no charge attacks, not pot

[hybrid matrix]

the longer you hold down the attack button the more force will go into whacking the tail

[swift dew]

a quick smack would do soft fractues to a utah or something, and a fully charged one would knock it down for a good 5 seconds

[hybrid matrix]

pot has charged attacks?

[paper geyser]

no but it's in the same vein as pot attacks

[snow dock]

That's not a terrible idea considering you get warning

[hybrid matrix]

a fully charged tail whack from a deino should pulverize a utahraptor's skeletal system

[valid elk]

I think a Deinosuchus tail slap shouldn't be charged up.

[swift dew]

but the caviot to charging would be a little animation plays, warning you of the charge, where as a less charged would give less warning

[valid elk]

I think it should be more akin to a "get the fuck off me" quick slap, ya know?

[hybrid matrix]

naw

[valid elk]

Plus, why charge a tail attack when you have a lunge that does more damage and pulls your prey items into water?

[hybrid matrix]

i agree, but here me out
(btw i like to speak in multiple messages so lemme finish my whole thought b4 u send ur messages)

[carmine path]

Tail is for AOE for people attacking behind you

[hybrid matrix]

the tail swipe would have no warning

since our deino always has its tail erect behind it (iirc)

so

the less you charge it, the shorter the range would be (and less stamina used for the attack) (damage also decreased)

[paper geyser]

charging up a tail swipe with no warning? That's even worse

[hybrid matrix]

fine

[carmine path]

I feel like it doesn’t need to charge it should be like teno

[hybrid matrix]

you can see it charging

[paper geyser]

if an attack has the power to be stronger the more it's charged up the attacker should be able to see it. But in any case, charging attacks shouldn't be a thing

[snow dock]

Feel like the charge should move tail to either side so you see that you may get slapped to next week

[hybrid matrix]

alright im sensing some bias from you
why is charging attacks such a horrible idea?

[carmine path]

How is that bias

[hybrid matrix]

i feel like kato is biased against pot and since pot has charged attacks they dont want it in TI
i could be wrong, but thats wut i think

[valid elk]

Hrm...that...actually isn't a terrible idea. Not a great one, but I sorta like the charge up idea with little warning. But, I think it should just slowly curl its tail more and more, barely noticeable, before it suddenly swings its tail back, then forces it the other direction.

[hybrid matrix]

this is similar to what im picturing

[paper geyser]

because i don't like the idea of charged attacks? They aren't something that would fit in TI. Also no, pot doesn't have charged attacks and i'm not biased against it

[hybrid matrix]

then what's this

[swift dew]

bias

[hybrid matrix]

why wouldnt charged attacks fit in?

[paper geyser]

charged attacks are more for the likes of an rpg like pot claims to be, together with cooldowns and whatnot

[hybrid matrix]

go on

[carmine path]

A charged attack for deino just seems wrong considering modern alligators and crocodiles tail swipes are so strong and quick so why would a deino not do the same

[swift dew]

we have a charged hypsi jump, why not other charged abilities

[hybrid matrix]

im not saying u charge it for 5 seconds to do a shit load of dmg
im saying you charge it for 2 seconds to do a lot of dmg (mostly cc)

[hybrid matrix]

forgot about hypsi jump

[carmine path]

Then whats the point of a charge with a warning for a 2 second delay

[swift dew]

to do more knockback/fracture

[hybrid matrix]

so no warning?

[carmine path]

Warning seems poor cause you are making deino tail swipe shitty teno tail slam

[swift dew]

you can do a regular swipe with no warning but then it does less knock back, and less fracture

[swift dew]

well this isnt deinos main attack, the bite still is, where as teno is supposed to use the tail slam as a main attack

[hybrid matrix]

exactly
this is more of a "go away"

[snow dock]

I was thinking for the swipe to keep dinos towards the jaw end for lunge or bite

[carmine path]

I feel if you wanna do charged attacks do it for stego but deino is all about speed, accuracy and damage and you have taken away all of these things

[hybrid matrix]

how have we taken away all of these things>

[carmine path]

You want to do a charged attack for a deino that can tail whack a carno and put it on its ass in one second flat

[swift dew]

if you think about it 2 seconds is only enough time for a utah to get away if it realises it immediatly

[snow dock]

How is a second or two slow and it is basically adding a defensive attack for a cone directly behind it?

[hybrid matrix]

yeah thats the point of the attack

its not meant to kill its opponent

[carmine path]

Then whats the point of charged attacks for a deino if you want the delay so quick

[hybrid matrix]

its meant to get the attacker to fuck off

[carmine path]

You are making charged attacks quick for a dino that just doesn’t need them

[hybrid matrix]

deino isnt a dino

[swift dew]

because a utah running through the back side of deino would be too quick for a deino to get a full charge

[carmine path]

Deino is a prehistoric crocodile 😑

[hybrid matrix]

exactly
not a dino

[swift dew]

not a dinosaur

[urban flax]

Actually
In-game deino is a dinosaur

Because it belongs to the dinosaur faction

[swift dew]

[urban flax]

You can't deny the truth

[carmine path]

Yall are just getting off topic

[snow dock]

Since this seems to be moving on thanks for the advice to improve suggestion

[hybrid matrix]

so does ptera

anyway

joker do u understand the point of tailswipe now?

[carmine path]

It seems pointless

[swift dew]

anyway, this would only be used if deino was caught out, like if a drought happened when you logged in and now you have to go a bit of distance to find some water to camp

[carmine path]

Yall making deino move like a semi-truck and it pains me

[hybrid matrix]

wdym

[swift dew]

i mean, slap something you kinda have to charge your slap to get full power, if you just slaped something with no charge you wouldn't get a full slap

[snow dock]

The main point for it I was trying to think was a defensive attack for on land so it isn't a death sentence it's stamina is trash from what I saw

[carmine path]

Why use a charge when you can just add a form of delay after the attack

It makes for sense for a deino

[hybrid matrix]

??????

what

the

fuck??

[swift dew]

because that would be super strong, give it that and we have land deinos untill the apexes are added

[carmine path]

Deino uses quick burst of speed and power which in exchanges uses a large part of his stamina to do these quick maneuvers

This is why crocodiles tire easily

[odd sedge]

Doesn't make it a dinosaur tho.
Just because Galli is in the herbivore fraction, doesn't make it a strict plant eater either for real life

[hybrid matrix]

theres an omnivore faction :)

[swift dew]

it is going to the omnivore faction

[urban flax]

Actually I was just saying Deino is a dino to make fun of the "deino isn't a dinosaur" argument about tail-slam

[odd sedge]

Yes I know that ^^''

[swift dew]

wait a minute, is there even a dinosaur faction?

[carmine path]

Yes

The whole left side of the spawn menu

[hybrid matrix]

that wasnt even an argument
that was just correcting pryo

[carmine path]

Anyway Deino uses quick speed and power which causes stamina to be used quickly, tiring him out on land 😊

[hybrid matrix]

u realize deinos are gonna have to travel every now and then on land to find food right?

also deino still needs a way to get ppl off its ass

[carmine path]

You realize the map is being reworked to help deinos

And the tail swipe in which i am proposing can do that

[hybrid matrix]

the tail swipe ur proposing? wut tailswipe

[carmine path]

A quick powerful stamina draining tailswipe

[snow dock]

My idea stolen. Gasp

[carmine path]

Such is realistic with that in reality

[hybrid matrix]

dude u think we're talking about a no stam drain attack?

wtf?

wut kind of sick motherfuckers would we have to be to want that

[carmine path]

“Quick”

Keyword here

[snow dock]

Just for me to try committing this to memory so it needs to be stronger more fractures stun/knock back fairly high stam cost and at most a second charge up for large creatures

[hybrid matrix]

yes

[snow dock]

Thanks

[paper oriole]

People arent all going to be male because of bright colours lol

That's a silly suggestion that females will be underplayed because of that, a lot of people prefer camo over looking flashy

[valid elk]

Anyone wanna talk about my idea or...?

[compact hare]

Reminds me of foxes hunting for mice

cool idea

[valid elk]

Right?

[compact hare]

https://tenor.com/view/arctic-fox-derpy-gif-10411408

[valid elk]

I love it

[hybrid matrix]

@vagrant cloud the devs said no to carrying babies in ur mouth
i think that instead of in ur mouth, the babies should be able to climb onto the parents back or smthn since that would give babies control over getting carried

[zinc anvil]

yeah and with good reason

[swift dew]

@pale hazel That number for bite force sole purpose is to go into the damage multiplier, it does nothing else but show that one thing does more or less damage than another thing, it isnt supposed to be accurate

[pale hazel]

@swift dew i just put it for info, i will need to test the deino myself to make a definitive opinion about the 500N bite force. And i know the deino need to be balance. we will see

[zinc anvil]

the insert screen means nothing dw about it

[brave rampart]

The only way it'll mean anything is when Deinos balance testing is ticked off

[hybrid matrix]

tbh
crocs do have pretty strong bites
i think once apexes start coming in deino should get a bite buff just like how stego should get a tail buff

[crude girder]

Yeah Bite force isn't the best name for that, give a lot of people the wrong idea since they expect to see it reflect the actual bite force of the animal

[urban flax]

Actually the in-game stat shouldn't be called "bite force" or shouldn't be calculated in N

It'd be less misleading

[crude girder]

If Deino had a biteforce of 18,000 then you can say goodbye to any semblance of balance

[urban flax]

Cause 500 N is less than irl humans biteforce

[crude girder]

funny that people are only bringing this up with Deino tho, and not like, Carno or Teno or anything

I would like to see it removed entirely, the bite force doesn't mean anything since it only tells you one attack and animals in evrima tend to have at least 2

[urban flax]

I agree

And I'm against giving players precise stats in a survival game

[crude girder]

The question is, what the heck should replace it then

length would be my go to

[urban flax]

Why not

[crude girder]

People wanna be able to have an idea of how strong they are before they throw themselves into combat tho, so that's my only concern

[zinc anvil]

understand that the 18k would one shot everything and that would be no fun.

[crude girder]

without biteforce you have to rely on size and your own knowledge of what you can and can't fight, and that can be misleading for some animals

[zinc anvil]

and yes 500N is nothing but its nothing to worry about as its just the insert screen

[urban flax]

But biteforce doesn't really give a hint at your dino's power
Tenonto has a very low biteforce, yet it's very strong

[crude girder]

Teno's bite force is just that, its biteforce, and tells you nothing about claw, kick or tail slam power

[zinc anvil]

all you need to know is big croc hurt

[crude girder]

but you can look at bite force, and if you know what the max bite force is, you can see "oh I'm about half power"

its possible to have an animal where 50% growth is not the same as 50% power, and for animals like that you wouldn't be able to judge how your damage is doing until you are more grown

[jade schooner]

@fervent fable when you say days are longer than night, that's not exactly true. It depends mostly of the season and how close you're to the poles. (Here for example, daylight in summer goes from (from dawn to dusk) go from 6 something am to 8-9 pm, while in winter, the same goes from 7 something am to 6 pm.)

So I would agree that, being a tropical island, it should most definitely have longer days than nights.

Although if they're looking to implement a season feature, what I said above can be applied in two ways:
1.- Having a fluctuation between summer and winter, summer having longer days and winter having long nights.
2.- Keeping the long days and "shorter" nights, but having dry and wet seasons.

[wintry monolith]

@pale hazel how do you think a denio with a bite force in the thousands would work in a game with the bigest dino being a stego

[last widget]

i agree with your suggestion, i mean it may just be a "game" which ik you got your scrubs that love to deep throat on that idea... but tbh i mean if ya gonna have it in the game why not just give it realistic stats? yeah sure not based on reality and sure their like a modern version of that dino but it would be nice to see... like actual facts that are not false in the isle, like it would teach people bout the dinos in the game to a degree. i mean they dont gotta have that much dmg in game but still would be something cool to see. reason i say this cuz 500 n is less then a dog bite lmaoo. debating on the dog ofc.

[paper oriole]

idk if learning that "deino bite stronk" is worth having it oneshot upper mid tiers lol

info sheets would be cool but they don't need realistic stats

[last widget]

like i said, it doesnt have to actually have that much dmg. i mean even then if they had like real life facts like an info sheet like ya said attached to the character menu would be sick.

or even in the spawn menu have its realistic stats and info, then in game the character menu gives its actual ING stats.

like his idea is great its just bout figuring how it would work tbh. or her.

[paper oriole]

that could work though then there'd be people complaining about being deceived by those spawn sheets lol. but boo on them I guess, info sheets would be cool to be implemented one way or another

maybe mercs can uncover information like that, like research

[last widget]

oh yeah ofc, you would have your babies moaning about it. but even then a note could be in the facts like NOTE: real life stats don't apply to in game.

they cant read? oh fuckin well lmao.

[paper oriole]

pretty much

[last widget]

ooo yeah mercs, but humans idk thats far off, but yeh maybe future get the stuff in, ooo to add to the merc idea.. that would be sick... humans going around to discover sheets of different species and their real life stats.

make them humans freak a bit harder

[paper oriole]

the devs did say they really want humans by the end of this year, so hopefully we'll see mercs coming in soon

giving them tasks like gathering info would be a nice way to do that

[last widget]

yeah if they ever manage to the rest of the road map in lmao

[fervent fable]

Ohh, I see

[jade schooner]

:3

[tall oasis]

@valid elk I like the suggestion, but unfortunately the devs said that there will be no tundras or desserts, because the map is set on a tropical island, and snow does not build up on this kind of island. But I do like the idea of jumping into snow to catch ai.

[valid elk]

As of...yesterday, Dondi confirmed he is working on snow biomes.

[swift dew]

i guarantee you it isn't for spiro or spero

[valid elk]

And domes exist, there is a plan for different enviornments inside of them, much like Evolve.

[tall oasis]

really? did not know dat

[swift dew]

and it if is i quit this game

[valid elk]

Better quit then, cuz domes exist.

[tall oasis]

Punchpacket said that there will be no desserts or tundras

[swift dew]

inside domes are fine, im good with that, but it would be so stupid if they weren't inside a biodome or something

[tall oasis]

maybe on a different map

[valid elk]

You're right...however, domes will exist, so I expect that won't last long.

[tall oasis]

domes? what kind

[valid elk]

Well, I imagine like the ones in Primal Carnage and Evolve.

[tall oasis]

oh like aviary's?

like on the primal carnage map

[valid elk]

Yeah, like that.

[tall oasis]

here it is

[swift dew]

i could only see 2 maximum per map, it would look super weird seeing like 5 domes on a single map

[strange wave]

@vocal pecan already exists in evrima

[tall oasis]

I saw that punch said on a isle news video that no tundras and desserts are ever coming

he did say mountains and some sort of savanna

[vocal pecan]

Oh shoot really? welp

[last widget]

if we aint getting a desert, thats just retarded lmao. better allow mods again then.

[valid elk]

On this island.

[last widget]

yeah my bad, but i meant to say bout your suggestion would be cool if they remade it with a utah instead. cuz troodons were the size of ana dult man, but i think their making troodons compy size.

[last widget]

.

[valid elk]

Why?

Also, no, they aren't

The largest Troodons were half a mans size.

[swift dew]

troodon was absolutly not the size of a person, it was like the size of a big dog

[valid elk]

Plus, the venom.

And a bunker.

[jovial sleet]

Didn't dondi say spino was going to flip over ankys or something like that

[tawny juniper]

@upbeat marten That isnt how sexuall dimorphism works

Males have flashy colors to atract females

Females don't have flashy colors

Because they don't do the attracting

[tawny juniper]

Thats good, Think how barren and boring a desert with no foliage would be to traverse

And there would be hardly any stealth mechanic

Its just a bunch of dunes

[kindred flare]

It may be increased later down the line , but right now its to not make deino more op than it already is. Same with stego, with the current roster its stats are probably much too strong to be balanced when the most deadly carnivore is a carno

[paper oriole]

Imagine a spino flipping over anky and leaving it to die

I'd do it

[dapper pulsar]

I would hate that so much.

[upbeat marten]

I'm aware that isn't how it works, but this is a video game. And a fantasy one at that, I just suggested it so that females don't feel so dull and boring to play

I know females are dull cause they don't have a reason to look nice, just males
But in the context of a game, both should have bright colors in different places so they both have the potential to look nice

Instead of making females just dull, make them look different and give them detail colors in different areas then males do

So that females don't feel boring to play because they don't have any bright and nice color details

[last widget]

cool still not compy size, i mean whatever troodon facts i saw were bullshit then. 3 ft. still not fucking compy size. my point is still valid except the size of a human.

[cyan flame]

@static radish Why change the weight? And the biteforce is not related to irl, it's just a way to get an idea of how strong your bite attack is, in game terms.

[severe idol]

Oh neat, we moved this argument over here now.

[static radish]

Changing weight - for balance. Becouse 8 tons and 1300 damage imbalance

[last widget]

was about to say yeah, cause its 500 n doesn't mean its actually 500 n in damage... remember there is locational dmg base not to mention... big croc boy will be very powerful lol.

[static radish]

Change damage - dude. Its fucking huge croc

[swift dew]

@static radish weight doesn't affect damage anymore if that is your reason, and bite force in game is not supposed to be what it is irl

[last widget]

not exactly sure how dmg works in evrima but ik fs someone can explain in depth

[cyan flame]

Weight does not relate to damage anymore. So changing the weight will, far as I know, do nothing when it comes to damage.

[static radish]

And what weight do now?

[last widget]

idk probs nothing- who knows.

[cyan flame]

I guess the problem is that it looks "wrong", but it's just an ingame term for base damage, that you can use to get an idea of how strong you are, if you're a fighter or not I guess.

[static radish]

Cool

[cyan flame]

I think it will affect Deino ability to drag stuff, it affects what you can carry corpsewise I think as well.

[last widget]

yeah i really dont know, but ik deino will def be a stronk boi.

[cyan flame]

But it no longer relates to damage from what I know

[last widget]

devs need to seriously explain how dmg works or a way to tell how much dmg you exactly do, specially have a chart for like locational dmg.

[icy lion]

devs want the ambiguity, they dont want to have combat turn into "x bites to kill" like legacy

[cyan flame]

Which is questionable as a decision and also won't work in the long run in any case. Cool as it may be and all that, it's just not going to work out.

Besides, they added the heart, for some reason, so who knows. Pretty sure there's a fair few people that wants better info on most stuff.

[turbid mauve]

Forgive my laughter but @static radish wants para kick dmg 😄

[cyan flame]

?

[turbid mauve]

para kick use to be 1,200 in legacy, it was the sht till it was balanced to 600 something or whatnot.

[static radish]

Paras kick: pew pow look at my stick-like hands. 1200 damage

[cyan flame]

Oh, okay, got it :p

Just got confused for a moment there

[static radish]

Gators bite with cool pop - 500

[icy lion]

legacy moment

evrima uses an entirely different calculation and combat system. legacy values have no place in discussions about evrima stats or combat

[static radish]

Okay. Okay. What about evrima rex bite force?

Your variations?

[icy lion]

what?

[static radish]

Cmon

[cyan flame]

No idea, personally I don't "care" what the value itself says, I would just judge it vs others to figure out the general idea of the strength and so on

[icy lion]

i dont understand what youre asking

[static radish]

I think it will be 1000 or something like that

15 seconds, wait

How much bite power do you think Rex will have in Evrima?

Better?

[cyan flame]

No idea, and why would it matter? It'll get the ingame force it needs for balance, and whatever that value says will do.

[swift dew]

nobody knows how much bite rex is getting, they are doing a ui overhaul so you might not even get to see how much "biteforce" your animal has

[static radish]

Balance, balance and balance...

[cyan flame]

Well yes, balance is what matters?

[turbid mauve]

Probably a significant amount. However, don't get me wrong, it's probably going to be reduced a whole lot depending on the type of prey it's pursuing cause things like armor damage reduction will be set in place before the famous tyrannosaurus rex is added into survival. I hope this comment helped.

[static radish]

Neglecting the simple physics of the bite for balance. Perfect

Why deino? Maybe sarco?

[cyan flame]

It's a game?

[swift dew]

yes exactly

[static radish]

Nice bite force for sarco - 500

[cyan flame]

Yes, balance has to take precedence. That's why we can argue that a stego should fight off a rex, despite it not being able to do that irl for shit, because ingame, unless it can outrun said rex, it'll just die, and that's no fun.

[swift dew]

you want a real deino bite, how about 18000 N, now i want you to balance that

[static radish]

That need new damage formula

[cyan flame]

You're focused on a value that only tells you ingame "biteforce" as a way for you to know somewhat what damage you're capable of. It does not relate to irl bite force.

[static radish]

Nice joke

Funny

[icy lion]

eriks right

[swift dew]

why would you make a complicated damage formula??? it would have to be based upon weight and that is the reason alot of people hate legacy combat

[static radish]

Well. We just have different views

Thanks for disc, ill wait deino on main servers

[last widget]

@rare axle yeah i hardcore agree with your suggestion, god damn... i cant stand the other photos now lmao

[rare axle]

lmao

Glad you like it, maybe it's too much sometimes

But I just want to suggest warmer colors

I think it's changing the game so much

[last widget]

yeah no like, i totally agree with this, like it will def go dark as the day time shifts but either then that mid day.. yeah needs to look like that.

[tall oasis]

YEE

[last widget]

@vital quarry probs a suggestion to save when anky pops up on road map, but yeah anky sounds like a whole honkers lol.

[tawny juniper]

Colors hardly matter

Having "dull" colors really ruins the game that much?

And if your female nesting is an option

[swift dew]

females wont even be that dull, if the skin system in legacy is anything to go off of, i would rather play females for their color because it helps with camo, and sometimes I dont want a bright red sticking through the green bushes

[tawny juniper]

Exactly

Having bright colors isn't always the best thing, Sometimes they are worse

[ashen wasp]

Pteranodon is a weird choice to argue the "female skins are uninteresting" angle with, too-- with that bright yellow underbelly and all

[swift dew]

@sonic mural they are already nerfing utahs pounce to be more bleed orientated rather than raw damage

[sonic mural]

Oh cool thx

[paper oriole]

Ah yes such valuable and useful feedback

[still raptor]

Can you explain why the game sucks and why the developers are bad?

@tribal zephyr

[flint zenith]

Im dead

[tribal zephyr]

there dog water

[paper oriole]

Also pinged amarok i think hes just trying for a ban

[still raptor]

How are they “dog water”? Could you make a better game?

[paper oriole]

He got muted lol

[still raptor]

Lmao

[dapper pulsar]

Can't muted people still use emotes?

[severe idol]

No.

[still raptor]

No

[dapper pulsar]

Reaction emotes.

I mean.

[severe idol]

Still no.

[dapper pulsar]

Huh.

[still raptor]

You can edit roles so people cant react to anything. Roles go pretty in depth with restrictions and what not.

[severe idol]

Sort of. You have to do it per channel. It's a pain in the ass.

Unless that changed in the last few weeks at least.

[still raptor]

I hate setting channel permissions especially when you have 50+ channels

[dapper pulsar]

I wanna see a destroyed helicopter overgrown. A few skeletons inside, one a short walk away with it's bottom half missing or unrecognizable. Large puncture and claw marks from some beast attempting to get at it's out of reach bounty. Maybe some sick ass weapon like a grenade launcher for Mercs in the hands of a skeleton or in the back.

I want references to Tapwing's other fanart as well, but I'm not using any words I learned above the 3rd grade to describe them.

A stack of rocks, each with properties representing a strain and the normal dino would be cute.

Tangled trees at the foot of a cave.

Large footsteps and tire tracks, maybe leading to some remnants of the cars, or the best option of finding a Hypo skeleton with a car in it's neck.

This room but run down.

And various bodies inflicted with injuries from Tapwing's hypo concepts!

[valid elk]

Anyone wanna talk about my ideas?

[last widget]

let me have it

[dapper pulsar]

I'd want very few of the rundown vehicles to be in one piece.

Gastornis is sick.

[valid elk]

Aww, I just meant the vehicles.

Thanks Mirror

[north nimbus]

he deleted it 😭

[last widget]

yep

[last widget]

why would i keep it

literally just going to have a million X's

[north nimbus]

good point. not a great take imo

[last widget]

i mean idk ig i see but idk.. kinda sucks tbh

[north nimbus]

utah is a lot more agile so it can still escape a carno

[last widget]

being a utah and you're supposed to be like this... "hunter of speed" then you got this cunt chasing you down.

[north nimbus]

especially with jumps and stuff

[last widget]

yeah i see it, but with the whole turn in a circle like alt i mean their agile also... stop instantly turn munch oop half hp gone. im just on some grow server maybe ju8st got sick of carno spam as a utah lol.. so best i just delete it anyway.

[dapper pulsar]

A rundown plane in a massive ass tree, maybe the replacement for the buttplug rock, would be sick.

[north nimbus]

well i understand. i dont think carno should be quite as agile as they are now, maybe a little more slide when they make quick turns. but a speed nerf isnt the way to go about it imo

[last widget]

@lament finch almost certain dog water legacy will be deleted way sooner before evrima finishes lmao legacy is way to broken.

[lament finch]

I mean, yeah lmao I just try to stay hopeful

[last widget]

meh it needs to go, not for a bit tho.. as evrima lacks content.. wont be 2 soon tho.

[lament finch]

I really enjoy legacy and i mean, its still kinda playable so as long as they don't absolutely ruin it further it's still the most played branch as of right now

[last widget]

yeah cuz of evrima lacking content and other people cant handle evrima cuz of fps problems.. but eventually in like i would say maybe 2 more updates... it may get removed cuz at that point i would say evrima is def stable on content etc.

[lament finch]

Yeah I think it'd be fine to remove it once they actually like, properly add stuff to Evrima and hopefully get it at least kinda on par content wise

[last widget]

i personally think update 3 will be there biggest update.. why i say this well and humans... but why? cuz they have never had fish or even a flyer.

not to mention a big ass crocodile

[barren zephyr]

I made a suggestion close to yours, except well.. without the customization part. It would be cool if devs opened up the old dinos or even hypos as sort of like a banger way to end legacy off. It would probably break some things since legacy is a broken mess, but it'd be cool.

[lament finch]

Lmao yeah like, Legacy is already getting ended so why not just free everything up

[barren zephyr]

It'd be sick tbh

[last widget]

i totally agree with that

[lament finch]

I've always really loved when colors broke so honestly my biggest want is the color changing but being able to hop in as hypos or non survivals just as an option would be incredible

[last widget]

legacy is in a very bad way rn... when i play it- its not my pc and ik this... but the shadows when walking glitch in and out so day time will just go pitch black etc its sooo bad.

[barren zephyr]

Hope they do some cool event to end legacy off with, sort of boring and lack-luster to just straight up delete it out of existence

[barren zephyr]

Oh me too, I loved it when the red color from the rex was usable by every other dino. Opened up so many beautiful skin options. Until they patched it

[last widget]

but again we dont know if hypos would break legacy like we just dont know how that really works since we are just consumers..

[lament finch]

God yeah, I'm mostly playing on legacy now since I've kinda just, grinned and beared it since that branch has the most content and players rn but the lighting is so sucky

and true yeah

[barren zephyr]

You're right about that @last widget

[lament finch]

the main reason I suggested colors is cause its been proven that that doesn't break anything else

and its super easy to set up from a developer side

[last widget]

like idk i feel legacy will be deleted probs in 2 more updates but i bet this update sucks peopel off of legacy lmao

like lots of people

[lament finch]

Possibly, I know the last update had people playing evrima for like

3ish weeks or so

and then a lot trickled back to legacy

so if the update is like, really good I imagine it will but if it ends up not being super exciting then they may go back again

[last widget]

yeah same here

[snow meadow]

Why are people Xing my feedback that deino could use more idle animation? You want it to look like it's T posing and not a natural creature?

[urban flax]

But irl crocs don't move their tails nor their heads when they are idling

[pure vigil]

Yeah, crocs look legit like they're taxidermied lol

To a reptile, energy is everything. So why waste energy?

[unreal moat]

Nah

Once legacy gets deleted most of the players will drop the game

[barren zephyr]

And go play Evrima

And if they don't play Evrima, they can leave

[barren zephyr]

Watching Filipe's stream, it was good. Really good

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr
The only thing I want to see having 11+ hrs is a Brachi

however, it's not a thing we should have a say on... due to balance and all that juicy stuff

[urban flax]

I'm confused about this feedback
Is this guy just suggesting to add humans ?

[barren zephyr]

No

Its a feedback about extreme growth times doesnt solve shit basically

And the population balance should be done by playables mostly

[urban flax]

But there aren't exteme growth times in-game yet

And devs are already aware of all this

[unreal moat]

isnt stego 5h?thats kinda extereme

[barren zephyr]

For me, extreme is above 8 hours

[urban flax]

Stego is supposed to be a fair match-up against apexes

[barren zephyr]

Well then, if thats the case

Apexes shouldnt be more than 6 hoursish

[urban flax]

I agree about this

[barren zephyr]

Otherwise its already unfair in terms of time.investment

[urban flax]

Otherwise a lot of people will probably never get the chance to play an apex

[unreal moat]

Legacy giga was 6h30m right?that was good

Anything more would be bad

[low canopy]

humans wont be on all servers so that kinds of "balance" falls apart fast

what do you think happens if one of the balancing factors is not there at all

[maiden anvil]

@barren zephyr one issue I find with it though is non-human severs. And even for servers with humans, there may not always be enough to balance it. I’d like to add that AI should be a good population controler. If there are too many of one species, there will likely be more AI to target them. For example, if there would too many rexes, several packs of Utha AI would send out to slaughter rexes until the population order is restored.

[sacred galleon]

idk, legacy rexes growth time was fairly decent in my mind. you can always log off to play on the other day so i dont see problems with the growth times. there is multiple games with same type of growing and there is games that don't need growing in real time.
I agree tho that the growth times shouldn't go atleast over 8 hours.

[maiden anvil]

8 hour maximum tbh. And if there would be a growth time that long, it really shouldn’t be on a server with humans. Could you image what hell it must be to grow a Rex for 8h and then get killed by humans immediately? Lol

[urban flax]

AI targeting overcrowded species is a terrible idea. You shouldn't be punished for logging in at the same time as a few other rexes.

As for the balancing on non-human servers... I'd say fuck it. People choose to play the game differently than how it's supposed to be played, devs shouldn't balance their game around that. You can't both let people configure their servers and have the game stay balanced in every situation.

[low canopy]

so a repeat of legacy then where the correct way to play the game is to pick apex huh

[urban flax]

No, the correct way to play is to enable humans

[cyan flame]

The correct way to play is the official, nothing more, nothing less.

[low canopy]

again that is something that could make or break the game, it all comes down to how humans are executed. if they are overwhelmingly oppressive that dinos feel like teaming up against them then those servers wont be popular

[cyan flame]

What Necro is trying to say, I think, is that unofficial server balance is not going to be a thing, because you might be able to do whatever. Have no ai, have only certain ai, have no humans, have only humans, have humans vs tribals with no dinos, with only ai dinos, and so on. Basically it can be whatever, and thus can't be "balanced".

[urban flax]

If they are overwhelming, they will be nerfed because they are supposed to be part of the base experience

[low canopy]

you'll have official servers with humans turned off, did you guys miss that?

[lilac swallow]

Idk, in legacy i barely played apex and managed well idk how is the correct way

[cyan flame]

You'd probably still have balance in interactions, even if a server consists of only this or that, the entity itself would be balanced. So even if you have a server with only rex and giga, their interaction might be balanced, even if it's not much of an ecosystem with only those two.

[cyan flame]

In that case, I'm sure the devs will have that balanced and accounted for, in some way or other. Might not be exactly the kind of balance you'd want, but if they're doing that, then something will no doubt be in place.

[low canopy]

on paper that suggestion feels like it makes sense, but its gonna excuse apex game play to be yet again the correct way to play the game, which is to get most power for small amount of effort, and no diets wont make growing hard alone, AI is dumb and lags out depending on server performance in general

[urban flax]

What makes you think apexes will be op like in legacy ?

[low canopy]

the name apex, they are the top of the food chain, so nothing less cant even hope to take on them

[lilac swallow]

The main reason they were op was because of ai spawning around you based on hunger

[urban flax]

They are supposed to be powerful, yes, but being over-powered is a game flaw. It's not part of their essence.

There's also the fact that in legacy, small tier gameplay was mostly boring because they didn't have any special abilities

[cyan flame]

But you don't need to, really. As long as there are other stuff for you to eat, hunt, and survive on, the apex can be ignored/escaped when neccesary. And what can't escape, most likely will be able to take it on.

[maiden anvil]

It’s a hard question around balancing apexes when it comes to non-human severs. After seeing @urban flax respond to AI targeting, I can now see why it isn’t the way to go. Idk either then a long time growth it would take to balance them. Maybe something related to food?

[urban flax]

First, if AI isn't programmed to run into your mouth, apexes will already be much harder to grow

There will also be diets, and your apex probably won't be as strong if you don't follow the right diet either. Since their whole point is to be powerhouses, it will be a huge disavantage for them compared to small dinos who rely mostly on fleeing on they reach adult stage

[maiden anvil]

^ that is indeed a food related thing

[urban flax]

And, as I said, balancing in evrima is better than in legacy. There's more thought put in it. There won't (hopefully) be situations where if a certain dino sees you, you have no chance of survival.

So apexes won't be free server wipes once they're fully grown

[maiden anvil]

That is true though. If we take a look at stego as it’s the closest thing to apex we have so far, it is quite balanced ngl

Overall, I think apex life should be more difficult then mid to small tiers. They’ll probably have pretty risky preferred prey item or the ones who are hard to catch. I bet giga would need to hunt sauropods and rex would need to hunt trikes. If rexes also have para as their preferred prey, well good luck catching them.

And also their group limits should be extremely limited. I’m talking about 2 members

[low canopy]

i'm honestly not sure what i'm trying to argue about anymore but gonna say it anyways, trying to balance the game using AI wont work since AI detection skills will either be too good (sniping people across jungle they themselves cant see across) or too weak, as in sub apex sees an ai across the field and sets up an ambush for it, something that a normal player would counter by just running off instantly not giving the carni even a chance to try

[noble pine]

The jump out of the water is already a thing iirc

[low canopy]

Reason why i said "correct way to play the game" comes from player behavior, you see it all around you both in legacy or evrima, current go to dino is carno since its just superior pick to everything else in evrima, as the roster progresses that spot goes to something else (allo, alberto, acro etc. and what is a dino that is not one of the popular ones supposed to do then, its already outnumbered by default and not only has to face inbalance but also greater numbers. I worry that this pattern continues all the way to apexes and then we have same fiasco all over again.

[last widget]

lmao people will drop the game , oh fucking well then legacy is dog shit people need to stop moaning about legacy being deleted. its going to be trashed cuz its trash. welcome to 2021 where evrima is the new isle shit changes. not bitching at you, butt def like they can leave people come n go.. like the other person said extreme is over 8h. like people crying bout a 5 hour grow? like don't play the isle then. also understand dude, this isnt legacy anymore.... dinos are way better have lot more to them then just.. garbage legacy stego.. like i personally think deino will be our first actual apex carni.

[maiden anvil]

Not to sound mean but legacy is literally trash. Both that it’s bad and will be thrown away in the garbage eventually

[last widget]

thats not mean its the fucking truth lol

[still raptor]

The intention of Legacy was supposed to be Evrima. Just how....they made it was very terrible.

[north nimbus]

evrima is just trash with potential i suppose

[still raptor]

That was legacy in 2018 lol

Able to call it trash but with potential.

[hybrid matrix]

its got potential but it sure isnt trash

[still raptor]

Evrima is miles better than Legacy as of now. That will change drastically when Update 3-6 drop.

[unreal moat]

if legacy is trash why does it have 10 Times more players than evrima?maybe some people dont Want to wait 8 months for one update?delusional

[still raptor]

The reason why the majority of players play legacy is the fact that it has their favorite playables.

[hybrid matrix]

10 times?
whered u get that number

[unreal moat]

İts prob more than that

Go look at the servers

[last widget]

whya re you trying to compete? like bruh... legacy is dog shit. evrima literally lacks content.

[unreal moat]

Compare them its not that hard

[last widget]

so why would anyone stay on evrima?

[unreal moat]

What?

[last widget]

read above

[hybrid matrix]

evrima is also filled with bugs but thats excusable since its a beta and legacy has more bugs

[still raptor]

"More than that". Fine, Legacy has more playables that are literally copy + paste with no variety and shit mechanics like Bleed, Nesting, BB etc.

Evrima lacks the content and will go further in depth with those types of mechanics.

[last widget]

evrima literally only lacks players cuz of the lack of content not to mention people are waiting for certain updates. like update 3... will suck i bet half of legacys population over. like legacy is trash with garbage mechanics.. only reason people go there is for like all the dinos they can pla.. i mean if anyone still plays legacy for any other reason please do share.

[unreal moat]

i never said legacy is good or bad,im saying legacy has like 13 servers capped at peak hours when evrima has 3

[still raptor]

Look at BB. Fractures will be mild-severe and might even have visual differences with visual bone displacement.

[hybrid matrix]

i play legacy bc i got bored of playing the same dinos in evrima
also i missed sandbox mode

[last widget]

yeah and im trying to say why, its only cuz legacy has a bunch of dinos to play.

thats it.

[unreal moat]

Yes ur right

[last widget]

thats all i can think of why people would stay.

[hybrid matrix]

exactly

[last widget]

but even that i went bk to legacy and like... the shadows are so broken lmao.. like not sure if anyone else has that issue but shadows at night glitch in and out making it pitch black.. then at day time it does the same shit.

[hybrid matrix]

yeah no thats everyone

[last widget]

like why tf would you want to play that

its so bad

[unreal moat]

evrima isnt better,there is like 3 dinos worth playing

[last widget]

idk ig thats legacy players, but tbh i only think its the "die hard legacy fans"

[last widget]

lmaooo

oml

dude

[hybrid matrix]

evrima is magnitudes better

[last widget]

ic ant are you joking?

[still raptor]

Evrima is better lol. In 2 Updates, they're 5 playables.

[unreal moat]

Lol u must be having a blast playing Utah for 1 year

My bad

[last widget]

evrima literally like spits on legacy it only lacks dinos aka "content" like...

[unreal moat]

Yes its missing content no big deal

[last widget]

cuz evrima lacks content which literally evrima is in beta stage and it shits on legacy

[still raptor]

When Legacy has 15 and half aren't in survival when every playable will be in survival in Evrima.

[hybrid matrix]

ur forgetting teno
hypsi
and stego

[unreal moat]

hypsi is garbage

[hybrid matrix]

WOAH WTF MAN

[unreal moat]

Ur right i forgot about stego

[last widget]

yep exactly

[unreal moat]

When tho?6 years later?

[last widget]

oh no... so that makes evrima worse then legacy lmao.

[hybrid matrix]

hypsi is better than every dino from legacy combined

[unreal moat]

it litteraly has no growth lmao

[last widget]

yeah agreed... people would be like why? what dino do you know in LEGACY can spit blind people and jump into a tree?

[hybrid matrix]

it spits, chargable jump, can sit in trees, tiny enough to hide in FUCKING GRASS

nothing in legacy beats that

[last widget]

oh my bad half the dinos arent in legacy so maybe your what 10 dinos?

[still raptor]

Honestly, yep. Rather have the game at a slow steady pace with great quality updates than more frequent updates that are garbage.

[hybrid matrix]

this is my attitude

[unreal moat]

aight ill see you 6 years later

[still raptor]

Besides it takes nearly a decade to make AAA games.

Some don't even come out when they're in 3 years in development.

The new roadmap will allow more production for Evrima.

[last widget]

yeah exactly like, then we move onto the utah and carno... utah pounces and can cling.. carno charges and rams shit... what makes evrima way better then legacy is the tiny shit... before devs can just shit out "dino based content" they need to add the little things... small mechanics that make it more detailed not to mention bug fixes etc.

[hybrid matrix]

i just hope they keep legacy until update 8 or 9
that way if evrima ever starts to get a little boring we can always switch to legacy and have fun in sandbox mode while we wait

[last widget]

yeah i mean i see it but i bet it will get trashed in at least 2 more updates

[hybrid matrix]

exactly
also please turn off the ping when u reply

[unreal moat]

why are u all getting defensive when all im saying is legacy has much more players than evrima

[hybrid matrix]

i can only hope it stays till update 8

[unreal moat]

That is litteraly a statistic

[hybrid matrix]

bc you said that legacy is better than evrima

[last widget]

like i personally think update 3 is their biggest update besides when humans come- cough their goal is this year. like when has the isle oh my bad "legacy" ever have fish or a flyer or even a huge croc.

[unreal moat]

no i didnt lmfao

[last widget]

i wouldnt say defensive... but.. you are trying to claim something that is so false lol

[unreal moat]

i dont even play legacy

[unreal moat]

Change to legacy,look at player count,change back to evrima and see for yourself if its false or true

[hybrid matrix]

wuts this

[hybrid matrix]

r u getting ur numbers from copy pasted chinese servers?

[unreal moat]

Teutonic is capped always

[last widget]

lmao and? just cause you got more players over there doing whatever doesnt mean you dont have a lot more switched to actual legacy and just waiting for update 3.

[unreal moat]

İsla nublar has many players

[last widget]

like you got least over 100 players on evrima..

[hybrid matrix]

teutonic has 10K members
tf do u expect

[unreal moat]

Oml

[last widget]

why cuz it lacks dino based content people are waiting for just watch... update 3 will idk possibly destroy legacy population.

like i bet on it.

[last widget]

that also

[last widget]

ever seen the teutonic on evrima tho? always over 50 players

@zealous violet yeah i mean idk.. i think it would be a waste of time to update legacy... legacy is 2 far gone and will be trashed in the future anyway.

[barren zephyr]

10k members or not their servers are still full

Legacy is more popular at the moment because evrima lacks in content for most people

Of course servers on legacy will be more full, thats a known thing by now

[rotund lark]

Hey there, I got a question and i am not sure where to ask it here. (delete it, if it is the wrong place)

Does rain impact the refresh/respawn of herbi food bushes? I hear a lot of ppl saying that, but can't find any official source to confirm it. (legacy)

[brittle ivy]

Nope

It’s just rng

[rotund lark]

Thanks a lot! 🙂

[last widget]

@snow dock i agree deino should def get a tail swipe just to kinda tell any potential ass riders to fuck off. just would give the deino more character also lmao.

[still raptor]

@delicate tulip The rivers shouldn't be that blue. They should still continue to being more brownish and natural looking. The second one is great, but the only problem I have with it, is that the sky is a little too blue (looks unnatural).

especially for that time of day

Maybe more orange-ish skies

Maybe similar to this?

[safe galleon]

it's a little too blue but otherwise I like your thinking

[still raptor]

^

[delicate tulip]

Yeah it's just a general idea, not those exact colours

Especially the sky, that was just a side effect of my editing

[valid elk]

Anyone wanna talk about my idea?

[zinc anvil]

its a dirty river not a blue water

[paper geyser]

i do wish we'd have some water that isn't ugly and murky

and that actually looks nice

[still raptor]

I find this texture the best for wallowing than the newer texture.

The top texture looks so much better

[barren zephyr]

The bottom of the river looks so boring

"What should we add to the bottom of rivers? A stick, a log, and maybe some rocks."

"Perfection"

[still raptor]

It's a wip

The map of Spiro isn't near complete. They'll probably do river vegetation last since it's covered up by water.

The debris is nice though.

[barren zephyr]

Obviously joking, but yeah

Just looks super bland atm

[valid elk]

Anyone wanna discuss my idea?

[jade schooner]

Nah, it's good

[rotund silo]

Looks like everyone really hates this thing

[paper oriole]

dimetrodon is fodder

he's basically just a bad mega

[hybrid matrix]

also

in what world is dimetrodon semi-aquatic

did i miss something?

[paper oriole]

also isnt dime a synapsid

[hybrid matrix]

it is

[paper oriole]

poopy pseudo mammals

[sacred quest]

yeah i didnt like the idea of it being semi aquatic

[urban flax]

That's exactly what I was saying some time ago
When people can't think of a niche or something to make a creature viable, they suggest for it to be a semi-aquatic

I should do a list of every creature that was suggested as semi-aquatic

[barren zephyr]

Add tarbosaurus! But instead of it having a rex niche just make it semi aquatic!!!!

Can't stand it

[urban flax]

You're going to hell

[barren zephyr]

Next thing you know people will be suggesting to make dryo ai semi aquatic

[vast wolf]

it already is

[barren zephyr]

Oh my god

[vast wolf]

dryo ai loves the water in evrima rn

[paper oriole]

lol whenever people cant think of anything it's like "make it burrow" or make it aquatic" it's always one of those

[barren zephyr]

Slap a sail on it and call it a semi aquatic

Exactly

[valid elk]

I would like to hear add ons to my suggestion or hear differing opinions

[urban flax]

So far as I can remember, the dinos that have been suggested to be semiaquatic are Para, Anky, Teno, Magy and Cerato

[paper oriole]

with some things it's like ok ish but dimetrodon is just so unviable

[barren zephyr]

Make it burrow, make it climb, make it water reliant-

[urban flax]

I know there were more but I can't remember which ones

[barren zephyr]

The fuck

Cerato? Para? Anky?

Why in the goddamn

[vast wolf]

burrowing is fine as long as 1). the animal benefits from it 2). the animal is in a size range that burrowing is feasible. 3). it fits the animal as a whole.

[paper oriole]

i remember seeing the anky semi aquatic talk

[urban flax]

Don't ask me, I don't fucking know

[vast wolf]

anky is the only animal larger than ava i could see burrowing.

even then i doubt it will need it.

[paper oriole]

i also remember somebody suggesting that dime come in with a special ability to throw drug dust at attackers

[urban flax]

Depends on what kind of burrow

[barren zephyr]

My brain is melting

[urban flax]

Dimetrodon should be able to channel the sun through its sail to fire burning rays at its enemies

Punch said it's a fantasy game after all

[barren zephyr]

"Make anky into a turtle" i can already hear someone typing that shit out

[vast wolf]

mostly because ankylosaurs have been speculated to have some form of burrowing ability.

[paper oriole]

somebody said dime should have different types of dust it can throw at dinos that does all sorts of weird shit like hey this isn't a high fantasy rpg jeez

[swift dew]

anky? you could see anky burrowing?

[barren zephyr]

Its gonna look like a rock in the grounf

[urban flax]

Some ankylosaurids (or things that are related) did burrow

[barren zephyr]

Ground *

[valid elk]

Actually, we do have evidence of Ankylosaur burrowing.

It was more like Minmi's type of digging, where it blends into the ground.

[vast wolf]

there was a recent description of an asian ankylosaur fossil that has the front legs. they look like shovels to an extent. to my knowledge we dont have ankys forelegs and i could see it quickly putting its legs and belly into the ground.

this games minmi can also tunnel. it leaving its back exposed is more in line.

basically think echidna burrowing.

[valid elk]

I can't think of anything to add onto my territorial suggestion...

[vast wolf]

nonlethal territorial combat will probably be something in the future.

[valid elk]

Probably.

[swift dew]

yes ankylsaurs, but smaller ones, I don't see the 6 ton ankylosaurus burrowing

[vast wolf]

anky is only 4 tons

one of the large asian ankylosaurs was found with shovel like hoves

wre not sure if its tarchia or saichania

[valid elk]

Wanna point out massive ground slothes did dig, and they got heavy.

[dapper pulsar]

Ai.

[safe galleon]

@turbid mauve other carnivores and AI?

[dapper pulsar]

Ay Pufik could you change it to robos

[safe galleon]

@turbid mauve there will be more than AI tacos you know?

[lilac swallow]

A yes, not playing what i want because there are some guys Who never leave the server occuping the slots

[safe galleon]

And also wdym carni calories are dum?

[dapper pulsar]

Thank you, Pufik!

[lilac swallow]

I mainly play Big herbivores, but the puntual times i want to play carni i want to be able to

[turbid mauve]

Would you rather eat cheetah or a zebra?

[safe galleon]

Cheetah so I could brag about having eaten a cheetah

[turbid mauve]

Cheetahs are skinny.

[swift dew]

in a game or real life, because real life neither, but in a game cheetah

[lilac swallow]

Really shit example because no normal person eats neither

[turbid mauve]

Crocodiles eat cheetah if they could cause they opportunistic animals and don't care about calories.

[brittle ivy]

@turbid mauve Make sure you read the #rules-and-info section

[safe galleon]

You know not all carnivores are skinny? Acro being a perfect example

Also that vid isn’t allowed

[turbid mauve]

People put videos on general feedback all the time.

[brittle ivy]

We don't allow videos involving animals in distress, being eaten, etc.

[lilac swallow]

Also, being skinny is not why carnivores animals are bad to eat, is more about their meat quality

[dapper pulsar]

Also the fact that it might eat you back.

[turbid mauve]

May I ask as to why that is? This is an animal game. We'd like to try to mimic animal behavior and formulate an ecosystem?

[brittle ivy]

This is a discord with a variety of age groups as an audience, we don't allow NSFW content of any kind.

[lilac swallow]

I wouldnt show videos of a real Life murder on a GTA discord

[turbid mauve]

Will AI dinosaurs perform like actual dinosaurs?

[safe galleon]

Yes

There will be 2 types of AI

[turbid mauve]

Would it be possible if I was a herbivorous animal and I saw my kind as (AI) robots could I herd with them?

[safe galleon]

AI that acts like real animals and AI that acts like players

Probably, not entirely sure about that tho

[turbid mauve]

I will take my suggestion off.

[turbid mauve]

What were you gonna say piggy, I saw you typing?

[swift dew]

what? that was more than an hour ago

[valid elk]

Geez, a lot of people like my idea, I didn't think it was that good.

[zealous violet]

So im curious, when I mentioned we need an option to pick up our hatch/juvies. it originally got a lot of positive feedback. So whats with the negative feedback now? Did a dynamic of the game change that im not aware of?

[last widget]

no clue tbh, i never saw it.. i think it would be a great idea tbh. but tbh i think it would also be cool that you are forced to leave them at a nest and you just bring back bodies or gore for the babies.. i mean idk how it would work with herbs as in why i agree you should be able to carry them.

[zealous violet]

oh for sure! When i say pick them up, im only talking about one (1) so you would then have to leave the rest. And you'd most likely only be picking the one up if something where to happen like a pack of carnis find your nesting area and attack you and your only options are save yourself, die protecting your hatchlings or pick one and run.
Perhaps not for all dinos, of course. Like I can't see stegos picking up hatchlings but theres no reason a dino that can pick up meat such as a utah couldnt pick up a hatch.

I think it would add some interesting play to the over all game and community as well as the fear factor because what if your not chosen? what if you get left behind? or what if you are chosen?
heck, maybe other dinos could pick you up as a hatch or juvie and carry you back to their nest drop you down for their babies to eat you Thats pretty terrifying.

Imagine the terror as your carried to their nest and all you can do is ragdoll and move your head around and look

[last widget]

yeah exactly, like i can see it being a real issue when you got a pair of rex parents and then sub rexs lmao. it will be amazing once we got apexs.

[zealous violet]

haha true. perhaps a weight limit then? Perhaps not juvies but for only hatchlings. UGH Its giving me goosebumps to think about.
Imagine, its dark and storming, your herbie parent left to get food and your alone save for your hatch sibs. then you see a figure in the dark, thinking its your parent but then boom! A carni comes and eyes you all and to your absolute horror they pick you up and start to carry you off and your helpless to do anything but look around, play all your calls and pray that maybe just maybe your parent comes to safe you or you can run and escape the second they drop you.

[compact hare]

This have been discussed for a while, I think it could be easilly abused
Its a great idea! It would be very cool to have this mechanic in game, but there are a few things that could be abused
its my opinion, but I like the idea :)

[still sinew]

@last widget Fairly certain that realistically most crocodilians can go long periods of time without food -- realistically a fast food drain would make no sense, right?

[last widget]

ofc, thats what im saying.. im hoping its not like " oh its a huge apex" and it starves fast yk?

[zealous violet]

Perhaps hatchlings can have an option to 'struggle' to get out of the mouth when picked up. idk

[last widget]

yeah i agree if you get picked by something

[zealous violet]

Can you elaborate? I'd love to know how it might be abused because ive not thought about that yet haha

[silver blaze]

i mean while it would be neat its not something important and would take up more developing time

[still sinew]

Yeah yeah, no I'm in complete agreeance. I don't think it would be reasonable.

[silver blaze]

important mechanics like deinos grab is where all the time should be spent

[zealous violet]

Well not for now of course, more like when things are settled in and they are adding the fine touches to everything.

[last widget]

like at that point you would kill what the deino is supposed to be like, but ig we will see in public branch.

[last widget]

your whole time shouldnt be having to hunt cuz you starve so fast thats retarded, like yes you should be on the prowl for prey as an adult, but you def should be able to move around to new grounds without starving lmao.

[still sinew]

I would hope that the intention is that they want to play emphasis on a deinos ambush skills, if food drain fast we'll just have deinos hunting so often that they just become "the killing machine"

[silver blaze]

oh ye i thought you were one of those people who want those things now and have unrealistic expectations of what we are gonna get but that would be nice to get later down the line

[zealous violet]

oh gosh no! haha

[last widget]

yeah exactly i have high hopes their trying to feed into deino being a huge ambush and wait predator.. so lets hope its not pretty much to land hunt or eat all the deinos and the fish.

[last widget]

yeah fuck no lmao

[silver blaze]

honestly i hope the apexes have a slower food drain so they are encouraged to hunt less and not kill everything and the things they are killing take a good bit to grow and are quite big so if they had to be constanly killing because of a high food drain i think would be bad

[compact hare]

For example, people can grab the hatchs/juvies and not free them, holding them for playing the game or something like this. But this would happen only if the adult/sub has controll over grabing the child or not

But if the child has to give some permition (like If I do X call to grab you and you press X back letting me grab you ) I guess this would resolve the problem... But there are many ways to broke this idea, Im thinking in solutions rn

[still sinew]

Careful balancing is important at this stage for sure.

[still sinew]

goodness I hope so cause yeesh

[last widget]

exactly, but people don't understand oh make it drain faster to hunt.. like um no.. only skilled and smart players make it to adult apex the rest bitch and cry cuz they suck. but yeah should be able to hunt so often like a decent prey feed and be good for like awhile.

[last widget]

exactly

[silver blaze]

as a juvie/sub its hunger should drain fast but be slow as an adult would be balanced for apexes i think

[strange wave]

it removes literally all challenge when it comes to nesting, shoots the infant casualty rate down to zero from large predators, makes baby gameplay extremely boring because at any given moment your parent can pick you up and run tf away with no issues

[last widget]

yeah exactly cause a young growing chonky boi

[zealous violet]

I could see that. I dont think hatch should have control over who picks them up since that would eliminate the carnis snatching thing but perhaps a timer? Like if the hatch struggles for too long itll get dropped where as if it doesnt struggle it will remain in the mouth

[last widget]

yeah but only one lmao. so that rush you could not be the chosen one would worry you.

[silver blaze]

it should probardly be a thing for some species but not all yeah

[strange wave]

still

[compact hare]

Wonder if a predator "stealing" a juvie/hatch using the mouth would use the same mechanic since its something 100% agressive and meant to be predatory, it would be a very cool mechanic to grab a small prey and run away with it

[last widget]

meh idk seems like a good idea.

[strange wave]

now you've given these species an extreme advantage over all others

[zealous violet]

if you onbly have 1 hatchling, sure. but nests tend to be filled with many babies. You'd have to leave most of them so the infant rate of death could most likely increase instead.

[swift dew]

carnis wont be able to snatch live babies, that is just a bad idea with so much potential for trolling

[silver blaze]

it would be things like oviraptor

[last widget]

it should be every species tbh like if one can all should.

[strange wave]

could also be used for trolling so people are trapped as a hatchling until they starve to death

[still sinew]

Well if we look at apex preds today we find most only actively hunt during one portion of the day and usually only eat once a day - and due to the vomit system in-game - the only reason players would kill other players as apex/adult - should be feedng young - territory (by which I mean someone getting too close for comfort NOT actually claiming a territory lol) and just KOSers

[last widget]

yeah i can see it.

[compact hare]

It would be released, but what wouldn't let the adult hold its young again? Like a cooldown or something?

[zealous violet]

trapped? like how so?

Oh yeah! Like a small cooldown or something could work.

[strange wave]

2 parents minimum, probably more, lots of people want to be able to carry multiple babies with things like deino, making it again, no challenge, easy to abuse to trolling, etc

[zealous violet]

(anywho, I'll be back later i gtg now. feel free to keep discussing without me! <3)

[last widget]

yeah exactly tbh, im excited for deino but who knows till its in our hands or even public branch. cuz once public qa hits update is def right behind it.

[strange wave]

usually if people dont want to play as a hatchling they drown themselves, cant do that if your trolly parents keep you held in their jaws at all times

[zealous violet]

Thats why you limit to being able to only carry 1 hatchling and forced to leave the rest

anywho, gtg now for realsies

[still zinc]

I can see ppl just picking up juvies and dropping them off cliffs just to troll them

[zealous violet]

timer so they cant do that. if hatch struggles they get dropped.

[swift dew]

especially with the isles player base...

[still zinc]

Exactly

[zealous violet]

can someone tag me in thgis thread so i can come back to it later? plz and thank you

[swift dew]

tagged

[strange wave]

if you search for mentions it already shows it from replies

[last widget]

.

[snow meadow]

They slowly move their jaws up and down to regulate heat. And yes sometimes their tails do move. Not the whole thing, just the end segment. They'll also wiggle their bellies or limbs to dig deeper into cooler mud and you can see them breathing, especially if they are hot.

I'm not saying this should be on a few seconds loop. I just think a bit more animation would make it feel more alive and less like a static asset. Just my opinion, tho. Maybe it'll feel better when playing it vs watching stream. Idk

[crystal trail]

@rare axle Figured I'd let you know that we sent your lighting suggestion over to Don and he's currently looking over it.

[hybrid matrix]

👀

[crystal trail]

@rare axle Sorry for the second tag, but he wanted us to send you this.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/722943104901971968/826637516915343403/unknown.gif

[tawdry crow]

[rare axle]

I'm glad you took a look at it

[barren zephyr]

Hype

[tender latch]

Is it weird to have the urge to react with ❌ on my own feedback

[jade schooner]

Do it

[brave rampart]

Do it nerddd

[tawny juniper]

Common human nature

[rare axle]

Mfw I get the ping but it's the devs telling me they work on my suggestion

[swift dew]

@sudden tapir they have said that a troodon shoulnd't have any trouble killing a merc, your completly defenseless untill you find a weapon, which im sure the stronger ones will be rare just by how potentially powerful they can be

[turbid mauve]

@icy lion I wanted to have a discussion with you regarding why you think humans shouldn't be able to pick up food. May I remind you that they have hands? So, a human could pick up a gun but not pick up meat or fruits? What is your logic of reasoning, I really want to know? Thanks.

[icy lion]

I dont think humans shouldnt be able to pick up food, i just dont think that the majority of human food should be edible to dinosaurs. how does a dino eat an mre? or drink from a canteen left on the floor? there shouldnt be mechanics to offer food or water to dinos, that can remain in the realm of roleplay

[turbid mauve]

Are you saying if humans have to cook their food? Great now we're getting somewhere. See? Instead of cooking it give it to an animal and show it that your not a threat. Roleplay won't work alone being that you cannot communicate, so, some incentive of being nice should take place here to tame the "dumb" animal. Humans have been known to use positive reinforcement to get an organism to be, feel, and learn behaviors (like for example protecting you). I'm not going to be able to roleplay because I don't have any friends to roleplay with. With this addition not only will it contrast from tribal monsters using negative reinforcement like enslaving and punishing their AI dinosaurs but it would allow random players to get a feel of this mechanic/playstyle that they could possibly partake in. You don't see the big picture.

[pure vigil]

Mercs picking up meat or plants to make bait or false scent points would be fun.

You're trying to make a mechanic to force people to play with you. Chill.

We see the big picture just fine. You, however, are very laser focused on this.

[icy lion]

id appreciate a lack of passive aggressiveness. i see the picture just fine. this is a survival horror game. mechanics like this have no place in it. you dont need to have friends or communication methods to roleplay

[turbid mauve]

We'll just agree to disagree is all, being that animals cannot verbally communicate with different genres of species. Even our speech and writing is a skill that needs to be learned, without it, we just don't develop right.

[icy lion]

what are you talking about?

[turbid mauve]

Nevermind.

"you don't need to have friends or communications to roleplay"

[pure vigil]

That makes even less sense.

[still raptor]

You dont

There will most likely be some sort of in game close proximity voice chat like phasmo. Rust etc

For mercs

And if you think you need global chat to communicate with people you’re completely idiotic.

[barren zephyr]

my brain is melting

[icy lion]

theres communication other than language lol

[strange wave]

@turbid mauve reposting the suggestion wont make it better, just make people dislike it more because you try to get new reactions

[turbid mauve]

Firstly, I didn't repost a replica of it, I added on to it. Lastly, don't you dare tell me I'm doing a #generalfeedback for trying to get "new" reactions, this is about the idea that I had and the fact that I wanted to polish it being that so many disagreed with it. You don't know me.

[turbid mauve]

If you actually read what I put the first time, you'd see the difference.

[pure vigil]

There's no need to resort to insults. You're not helping yourself.

[strange wave]

still the same suggestion about positive reinforcement, im trying to discuss it in a relatively civil manor for me and you instantly resort to insulting

[turbid mauve]

I felt insulted, what about my feelings?

[pure vigil]

Doesn't matter. Take it to dm if you're absolutely that insulted.

[turbid mauve]

So, my feelings don't matter but bork does? Okay, , I'll be the bigger person and say I'm sorry.

[pure vigil]

Sure.

[turbid mauve]

You weren't trying to discuss anything but just criticize my idea and work, and make me look like a fool for trying. Guess I'll go cry now.

[strange wave]

so im just supposed to say i like it when i dont?

i never said you were a fool, if it wasnt just a wall of text i might have read through it rather than just instantly press the X after seeing you repost it

[turbid mauve]

It's not what you said, it's how you said it. I didn't ever say, you told me that I was a fool, it's what you said that made me look like one and thus feeling as one. Please read my sentences, I said, "Guess I'll go cry now," should be enough context clues to put two and two together. I'm going to sleep now.

[random imp]

how can people don't understand that for a dinosaur it's impossible to pick up a baby without killing it? how can a trike pick up an hatchling with its beak without tearing it in half? or a sauropod? or a fuc*ing Allosaurus? they are not crocs, their mouth physiology is very, very different.

[urban flax]

It's not actually impossible for dinos to carry babies in their mouths. The problem comes from a mechanic standpoint. Baby-carrying would lead to way more trolling than actually helping the babies. And even if the parent's intention isn't to troll, it can be really bothersome to the baby.

[flat crypt]

I wouldn't mind it as an opt-in for servers. Official probably wouldn't have it because they don't have regulation, but servers with rules could regulate when people are allowed to pick up babies and whatnot, and if they get people trolling and abusing the feature too much they could just disable it

Because sometimes being able to pick up babies would be very useful. slow ass infants smh

[steady lintel]

I don’t get the argument that a dinosaur would kill its babies if it picked it up

Especially the one with the trike

[urban flax]

Devs wouldn't do a mechanic that is supposed to be disabled on officials.

[urban flax]

@barren zephyr general feedback is not for trolling. Thanks

[barren zephyr]

Who says im trolling

[barren zephyr]

Have a sense of humor my guy

[urban flax]

me

But that's not funny..?

[barren zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/larry-david-relax-woah-hands-up-arms-up-gif-13330893

[azure wadi]

Nor is it for jokes

[odd sedge]

^

[random imp]

i am not talking about baby carrying mechanic, i 100% agree with the devs that it's an abusable and unfair mechanic

i'm talking about the mere idea of a dinosaur able to carry its young

it's impossible for them to carry babies like croc and gators do

[random imp]

lol now you explain to me how a trike, with a sharp and strong beak, could ever carry in its mouth a baby. have you ever seen an eagle carrying an infant eagle in its beak?

or for example a rex, their mouth structure is not made for babycarrying. or neither are baby rex made for being picked up like cats do.

[left nacelle]

Plus how would you even pick up a baby trike by the neck with them having a frill like that?

[noble pine]

Baby carrying in this game is a terrible idea, trolling, sacrificing, just plain throwing your babies off of cliffs. A player should never lose full control of their dinosaur unless they’re small and are being pounced, grappled or pinned.

[delicate tulip]

@karmic moth the reddit post was mine and I already suggested it yesterday but thanks for backing the idea up😁

[paper oriole]

It could be solved by allowing babies to take a stance that enables them to be picked up, so they can only be picked up when they want it. And allowing them to wiggle free and force the adult to drop them instantly. Personally not a fan of baby carrying either though

[still raptor]

@barren zephyr You can already cancel any animation to attack someone.

[barren zephyr]

F

[left nacelle]

@urban flax Hey, kinda curious why you disagree with the dinosaurs hearing humans as gibberish thing

[urban flax]

It doesn't really makes sense

First, animals (intelligent ones at least) can understand human language perfectly fine
Second, lore-wise there are human minds inside dinos

Okay I'm not 100% certain about the lore part though

[left nacelle]

Yeah I don't think that lore one is accurate lol

But animals who can understand humans, can't just understand them right of the bat. They need to be taught it. You could get a dog and have conversations with it everyday for years and it wouldn't learn to understand speech

They might be able to correlate a phrase with an action, but that's it

[paper geyser]

yeah sure they hear humans perfectly fine, but it doesn't make any sense to them

so to simulate that, humans should sound like gibberish to dinosaurs

[urban flax]

This isn't a simulation either

[paper geyser]

and?

[left nacelle]

It is tho. It's a game

We need to simulate things like that since the animals are controlled by human players

[paper geyser]

just like dinosaurs can't understand other species in local, they shouldn't be able to understand humans

[urban flax]

Written chat and vc are different things

And programming gibberish isn't really necessary imo

[paper geyser]

not really, they give just as much info as each other, if not more

i can see one dinosaur like troodon or utah understanding human language, but that's it

[left nacelle]

If programming gibberish isn't necessary, then what's the alternative? If dinos can't hear vc at all, then humans can just yell and stuff while hiding which makes no sense, and if dinos can understand vc, then that can be used for teaming and can be abused to know what humans are doing

And if the dinos can understand vc, you'd be better off just not using vc and using text chat since the dinos will hear you

[urban flax]

Isn't having other people be able to hear what you say the point of vc ?

Besides it'll always be faster than typing

[paper geyser]

not for other species

[left nacelle]

Yes, but not all players. VC should only allow other humans to understand you, not the animals. That would be the point of it'

[urban flax]

I just feel it would be very weird if when playing a dino, all human conversations turn into sims language

[left nacelle]

Well it could also just be replace with radio static

Which is something I just added to my suggestion

[paper geyser]

yes, i'm sure that's how most animals feel when they hear us using complex language

[urban flax]

It would be even weirder

[left nacelle]

Radio static would make even more sense tho lol

[urban flax]

Not if the mercs are just talking and not using radios ?

[barren zephyr]

why people react with a clock to some feedbacks?

[paper geyser]

means coming soon

[left nacelle]

Dondi even said in the past that when humans talk dinos will likely hear radio static. So radio static will kinda be like the humans version of the F call when talking

[icy lion]

timer means that its confirmed

[left nacelle]

Means it's already planned

[barren zephyr]

oh

[left nacelle]

Punch actually said himself that an upward lunge will likely be added for update 4, and that ptera and deino both have abilities that will be added after update 3

[steady lintel]

For one it’s a game and use some creativity a trike had a bone frill on the back of its head it can grab that wouldn’t hurt it with some game logic an animal knows not to bite down with all the force it has

[steady lintel]

They pick it up using the frill

[left nacelle]

That's an easy way to rip a baby's head off and/or rip a hole in the frill. Picking up a baby by the frill would be like picking up a child by their head. it isn't safe

[paper oriole]

Carrying something by a bone plate on its skull seems like it'd be asking for a broken neck. Juvenile trikes should just be faster than the adults

[steady lintel]

It would not be like picking up a child by the head Bc for one a human baby is much different from the trike and a baby trike isn’t some extremely heavy thing that will rip its self apart and on top of this in general it’s a game so logic will be dumbed down in a slight way and trikes have fused vertebrae so breaking its neck wouldn’t be so easy

U make it sound like it should snap like a tooth pick and I continuously feel like u think the adult trike would be biting down at full force which I don’t understand

It’s like saying a bear or a lion which can both break bones with its bites aren’t able to carry young in there mouth (which they do) without breaking its Cubs neck or tearing it apart

[left nacelle]

Lions and tigers and stuff can carry their babies cause the babies have a part of their neck skin that is meant to be grabbed, it's called the scruff of their neck. Picking up a trike by the frill would look odd, and at the very least be paiful for the baby since there isn't much skin on top of the bone on the frill.

But besides that, there's no reason for the parents to pick up a baby. The babies are meant to stay near the nest. if a predator finds the nest, that's the parents' fault for not keeping them away

And off the top of my head, I can't think of any herbivores that pick up their babies. And no dinosaurs today (birds) pick up their babies either, not even the flightless ones

[ashen wasp]

I agree that animals like Triceratops shouldn't be able to pick up their young and move-- plenty of modern animals have to rely on their young's own precociality to move them from location to location

[left nacelle]

Oh, I forgot some birds do that

None of them use their mouth tho was my main point in saying that

[ashen wasp]

well, yeah-- they have modified jaws that don't lend themselves to carefully handling and supporting chicks.

[left nacelle]

And some of them have really sharp beaks, like eagles and stuff. So that wouldn't work

[ashen wasp]

mhm-- although modern raptors' chicks are altricial, which means they have to worry less about moving them often

[left nacelle]

iirc the hatchlings in The Isle are altricial too

Since they literally eat from the nest

[ashen wasp]

in Legacy, yeah. I guess Evrima's juvies are more precocial, though we'll see how Nesting is handled in the future

[random imp]

lol if an adult trike 'd try to lift a baby by its frill, it'd crush it without even knowing... and it'd tear the baby's head off. baby trikes are heavy dude.

[left nacelle]

Well we haven't actually seen evrima's hatchlings yet. But we don't really have a reason to think they'll be like the juvies

[random imp]

and yhea, in the end picking up babies is straight up dumb and abusable, other than unrealistic

[left nacelle]

And it's boring for the baby. I'd rather use my small size to my advantage and hide than be picked up and carried to safety

[zealous violet]

Seems like im back in the game. Not all dinos should be able to carry a hatch. It makes no sense for some such as trikes and stegos. However, utahs could easily do it as they already have the ability to pick things up and there is a thing called 'soft mouth' its when something with carnivorouse teeth (Such as a dog) display bite inhibition and mouth control. Theres countless videos of dogs safely carrying fresh eggs without cracking them.

Aside from that, its more natural to have the potential of a random carni coming up to snatch a hatch from the nest. (Im no longer saying hatch/juvies as juvies would be too big/heavy)
There does leave some room for trolling but thankfully we have many, many servers with rules just for such a thing. More so, there should be the ability for the hatch to struggle and a timer for how long they can be carried. A timer and a cooldown before they can be picked up again would help tremendously in reducing the 'trollings' for that.
And once more, I dont think multiples should be picked up, only reduced to 1 at a time as that increases the 'horror' factor the devs are so desperately trying to move towards.

TLDR: Hatch (not juvies) should be picked up. Not all species. timers and cool downs and struggle/fight back ability to eliviate trolls.

[random imp]

you can't compare dogs to utahs

their mouth is completely different

[zinc anvil]

@strange wave i like that idea for scent maybe but could also use just a dull out effect to not fully drain the color out of the screen/environment

[zealous violet]

Fine then, crocs can easily carry their young using the exact same method. They literally just chill behind their teeth and their teeth are semi-closed so they dont fall out.

[random imp]

hemmm not really

[zealous violet]

lemme show you. One second

[left nacelle]

Not the same. Crocs don't pick up the babies with their mouths, the babies just sit in their mouth and don't need to be actually grabbed

[random imp]

crocs use the mouth as a pouch

they don't grab the babies with the teeth

[left nacelle]

Also, a timer wouldn't work. It breaks immersion and on top of that, imagine you run from something and then drop your baby. Then all of a sudden something else runs out of the bushes at you but you can't save your baby cause of a timer

[random imp]

and a fresh hatched croc is very very small compared to an adult croc

[zealous violet]

It starts at 00:53 so just skip ahead. https://youtu.be/DFTZgruYPL4

[random imp]

just read what blue and I wrote dude

[zealous violet]

Exactly though! that happens all the time. Watch a few nature docs, its crazy. parents lose their babies like that all the time. Thats horrifying.

[random imp]

not to mention that even the thumbnail is telling what we also have been saying till now lol

[zealous violet]

Whos saying anything about adults crocs??? No, no. Gosh no haha. hatch only! Anything else would be way too big.

[random imp]

adult carrying babies please read carefully

[left nacelle]

You're missing my point. An animal should be able to pick up a baby quickly again after dropping it. Adding an artificial timer for that destroys immersion

[zealous violet]

Exactly my dude. Its not so far out of reality to invision another animal doing just the same. Go pick something up in your own mouth, feel the weight of it on your tongue and keep it secured not with your teeth but just let it rest behind them.

[left nacelle]

It's different with crocs. They don't need to keep a constant grip on the baby since they just chill on their bottom jaw

[zealous violet]

Perhaps. Although but it is still a video game and theres a ton of mechanics that throw us out of the immersion already. The time would be there only for trolls. tbh, I would prefer no timer but I see what other people were saying about it from earlier, how it could be abused.

[zealous violet]

Thats fair.

[left nacelle]

The mechanics in the game tho are added in a way that makes it feel natural

[zealous violet]

not.. really?

[left nacelle]

They are tho

[random imp]

not to mention that you wrote utahs and dogs

[left nacelle]

You don't get a timer on your UI or anything is what I mean

[random imp]

so what the hell is this argument about crocs lol

[zealous violet]

I highly doubt the carno can actually stop the way it does based on how its hips are designed. it would wreck quickly.

[left nacelle]

Carno in game is different from irl carno. But that has nothing to do with this discussion

[zealous violet]

Salve, its called a example. I was using dogs in regards to the 'soft mouth' thing. many other animals do it as well but I figured weve all seen dogs at some point in life.

[random imp]

having a mechanic with a timer isn't the same as having a strange animation

[zealous violet]

Not at all. you said they were realistic but I say they are not. For me, it kills the 'immersion' when they slide all over the place. But its a video game so its not that big a deal.

Dont get me wrong tho- Sliding is nice.

[random imp]

and we said that not even dogs are the same as utahs, having the mouth build completely different

[zealous violet]

Example my dude example.

[random imp]

and utahs couldn't even carry babies as a croc do

[left nacelle]

I didn't mean movement. I meant mechanics like mud wallowing, eating, scent, etc

[random imp]

examples are for things that have a correlation. this things haven't