#general-feedback-discussion

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barren zephyr
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Oh nah dude whoever reacted with šŸ˜©, you criminal fr

hybrid matrix
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i say that theyd still have to eat it as mush

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their teeth are just as developed as carnivore teeth
as in they arent developed at all yet

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hypsi with peacock broadcast TI_Perfect

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i like the lore behind spawning as a juvie, and i hope they keep it
it explains how mercs can track you

broken thorn
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Sauropods were most likely on their own from hatch so i wouldn't think they'd need mush

valid elk
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I love Iguanodon, but it seems like people hate it for terrible reasons.

barren zephyr
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@hybrid matrix Hypsi's calls are actually sampled from real life birds

hybrid matrix
paper oriole
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I may be a salty person but this just seems like another quality-of-life perk thrown in for carnis, because herbis will still get punished for eating 1% too much food while carnis get a safeguard + extra food storage

barren zephyr
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The crested oropendula is the source for the friendly call

hybrid matrix
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the 2call is fine

barren zephyr
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I never liked the hypsi broadcast, still sounds so robotic and unnatural to me.

hybrid matrix
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yeah id prefer an EEE OWW not a BRA A A A A A DAAOOWW

barren zephyr
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Well we should still stick to the Neotropical/Australasian call sources to fit with the other calls.

hybrid matrix
barren zephyr
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I think some parts of the call of the New Zealand Tui were used for the broadcast?

teal parrot
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Thatā€™s a fair criticism tbh. The thing is that herbies can eat grass, they never need to starve to death. They can also find food alll over. But carnivores always have the threat of starvation. IRL, herbivores do not gorge themselves. But carnivores do. And finally, carnos wouldnā€™t be immune to overeating. If they overfilled their gorge meter they could still puke. And gorging would compromise their speed and agility so it would make them much more vulnerable and sluggish.
This is something no natural herbivore would do, as they always need to be at the top of their fight or flight game. Thoughts?

barren zephyr
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its broadcast sounds like a dog whistle to me, cant stand listening to it

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as much as it may be sampled from real birds, i will never be able to listen to it without my ears hurting

paper oriole
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The point if being a carni is the challenge and the hunt, that's just a part of their gameplay

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The only way a carni could overeat is on purpose

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You cant even really get to 100% food right now because it tocks you 1-3% over and you puke

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Its kinda irritating really, just a pet peeve

barren zephyr
teal parrot
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I never overeat as a carni. Iā€™m never in danger of accidentally overeating. Iā€™ve literally never done it. Always fill up to 100% and quit. So if ur having this issue, itā€™s probably a bug rather than a feature.

paper oriole
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Quality of life differences really pile up and can make or break the appeal of a faction, especially an already less played one

teal parrot
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Iā€™ve seen others overeat by accident when they werenā€™t even at 100% before tho. Iā€™m certain itā€™s a bug.

paper oriole
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Moving while sniffing, sneaking, this extra food bar

teal parrot
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I would make herbies able to move and sniff the compass and for food but not tracks.

paper oriole
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Ive had to stop at about 98% because one more tick typically gets me pver the limit because the food values are uneven

barren zephyr
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And speaking about bird calls, the scythe billed cuckoo might be some nice velo call material

teal parrot
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Iā€™d also give herbies other bonuses, including slight hydration from eating berry bushes.

paper oriole
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Meh, hydration should come from fresh meat and fruit, but its whatever

hybrid matrix
teal parrot
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Of course Iā€™d give carnis slight hydration for eating a super fresh kill too.

hybrid matrix
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its rlly interesting to hear wut each of us would do if we were in charge of developing the game

paper oriole
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There are many carnis that definitely shouldnt just be allowed to gorge, it wouldnt even make sense to see a carno do it and then keep sprinting around like a cheetah, that would look stupid af

hybrid matrix
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yeah

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i could see a cera gorging

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rex

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giga maybe

paper oriole
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Faction specific quality of life like that is lame, just make it for certain dinos across the 3 factions

hybrid matrix
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dilo maybe

paper oriole
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Acro's fat ass definitely looks like he gorges himself every chance he gets

hybrid matrix
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its so fat

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so

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so

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fat

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acro should be able to eat 150% of its food bar

paper oriole
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Idk maybe one of his special features is he's a theropod who's not affected by being a fat ass

hybrid matrix
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ooh

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wut if acro could use its extra fat for energy?

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essentially increasing its stamina

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however

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bc its so much fatter, its slower

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so it trades speed for endurance

paper oriole
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Could work, he has subpar stam that can be bettered by an extra fat energy bar

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Or trading speed for hp/endurance ya

teal parrot
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Meh, maybe vary the size of the gorging pool across the dinos. Even giving certain herbivores the ability to gorge a little, like hypsies, so they can carry food to babies at the nest or something more easily, but not for most.
But I think all carnivores should be able to gorge to some degree, to help facilitate regurgitation for hatchlings without compromising their own stomach fullness.

hybrid matrix
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yeah, the extra food would create a fleshy shield inside of its body

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so it would take less damage

paper oriole
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Meh, things like carno gorging itself would be ridiculous unless he is also slowed down. No thank

teal parrot
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Well thatā€™s obvious dude

paper oriole
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Imagine a utah stuffing itself like a thanksgiving turkey and then continuing to spazz all over the place, ew

teal parrot
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I wrote in my OP that gorging reducing movement speed and jump height if the Dino can jump.

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Didnt you read the whole thing?

hybrid matrix
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i think certain dinos should get affected differently by how much they are able to gorge

teal parrot
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Hey dr

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We both dr lol

hybrid matrix
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things like utah could only gorge 10% of its food bar

teal parrot
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I agree ā˜šŸ½

paper oriole
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If a utah jumps while gorged it should just throw up midair, fall and slip in it

teal parrot
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Naw

paper oriole
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Would make this worth it

teal parrot
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Utah should just lose 10% jump height. Otherwise canā€™t get to high places where nest might be.

paper oriole
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Utah deserves to starve

teal parrot
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If he attempts to pounce while gorged, no dice. Pounce shouldnā€™t work while gorged.

hybrid matrix
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i'd say cera could gorge 30% of its food bar

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acro should be able to gorge the most

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im debating whether it should be 50% or 75%

teal parrot
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Screw you miragia Utah deserves to eat like any other Dino. Even carnos donā€™t deserve to starve.

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I agree dr

paper oriole
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Utah deserves to step on a piece of broken glass and get it between his toes

teal parrot
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And they should have the least penalty for gorging.

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Vera I mean

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Cera

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Sounds like ur a dryo player, miragia

paper oriole
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Nah dryo is pretty bad

teal parrot
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Donā€™t be mad just cuz ur Utah prey

paper oriole
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Not as good of a shitpost dino as it used to be

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Mainly just hate the utah for its hideous model and jp barks

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And cringy utah mains

teal parrot
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Haha! I LOVE the Utahā€™s bark itā€™s so Jurassic park

paper oriole
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I get invited to groups on legacy and they all talk like theyre RPing even if they're apparently not

teal parrot
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Also Iā€™m a Utah main, and Iā€™m not cringey at all. Iā€™m smooth and gentlemanly.

paper oriole
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That's just what a utah main would claim TI_Think

thorn glacier
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i dont make the rules

paper oriole
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ā€œM'ladyā€ tips fedora with pronated wrist

teal parrot
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Iā€™m also a role player and voice actor. Which is super fun and funny to participate in or just to watch.

paper oriole
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Ah HA, a utah main and an RPer, the two go hand in hand

teal parrot
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Willow, anyone who has no value for being a gentleman is cringe. Every gentleman owns being a gentleman. If ur not a gentleman, you donā€™t have to own it, and you donā€™t have to be comfortable with gentlemen. I am a gentleman, and proud of it. I donā€™t look down on coarser individuals, but I behave according to the values of a gentleman and I love it.

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Muricans.

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@paper oriole if people are not roleolaying but they talk like they are, I think they are phonies. A real role player would never, for instance, hunt for sport.

paper oriole
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I honestly can't tell if you're joking around rn or not lol

hybrid matrix
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when i was a utahraptor main in legacy, i roleplayed having a government in my docktah pack
a fucking government
ppl had jobs and shit

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but

teal parrot
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A real role player tries to actually roleplay their Dino or character the way it should naturally behave.
Iā€™m not joking. I donā€™t like phony role players.

hybrid matrix
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i had to do this so that the pack could be functional

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it sucked without a government

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nobody did anything productive

paper oriole
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Once i infiltrated docks and got some utah RPers to stack up for a ā€œscreenshotā€ then i bit them all like 4 times and hauled ass

hybrid matrix
teal parrot
noble pine
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Acknowledging that you are nice kinda ruins it, you may see yourself as a gentlemen, but others may not. Pointing out how nice you are and how ā€˜gentlemenā€™ like you are sounds more like a stroke of your ego rather than a reasonable argument against someone talking down about the things you enjoy.

paper oriole
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Utah infiltrator

noble pine
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A better response wouldā€™ve been ā€œI like to do what I like to do, you can dislike it, it doesnā€™t affect meā€ and moved on.

teal parrot
# noble pine Acknowledging that you are nice kinda ruins it, you may see yourself as a gentle...

Iā€™m just stating a fact which is borne out by past evidence of my behavior. In other words, I actually treat people with respect, respect different opinions, am merciful to my enemies if they are helpless, even in a game. Itā€™s not a judgement agaisnt anyone, just a factual observation. Itā€™s also a repeating of Everyone who knows Meā€™s opinion of me. Ppl call me a gentleman. šŸ¤·šŸ½ā€ā™‚ļø I also have very low ego, so no reason to brag about things. Iā€™m pretty obsessive about telling the truth and being accurate. So sure, take it however you want. To me, itā€™s just a factual observation. ā˜ŗļø
PS Iā€™m also not neuro typical. I donā€™t think like regular people at all. šŸ¤·šŸ½ā€ā™‚ļø itā€™s not a disability to me tho. Itā€™s my superpower. šŸ™‚ šŸ’ŖšŸ½

hybrid matrix
# teal parrot Thatā€™s kinda funny! Who knows, pack animals do have jobs and roles so who knows ...

it was called the "Defender System"
there were two defenders (elected by the pack) who governed and protected the pack
the defenders could appoint sentries, hunters, and nesters
sentries sat at the sentry points (at port that would be the cranes) and if they saw danger they would do the alarm call (3 borks)
hunters would hunt for the pack at appropriate times (led by one or both defenders), they would also join the defenders in fighting off threats
Nesters are self-explanatory

teal parrot
hybrid matrix
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defenders were elected based on fighting skill and leadership skills (i, the best leader and most intelligent raptor, was obviously elected for the position of defender. i did not like it for i had no fighting skill at the time.)

noble pine
paper oriole
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You certainly don't talk like somebody with a ā€œlow egoā€ but besides that point. I still think gorging should be for selective animals across the 3 factions and not be yet another quality-of-life perk for one. Regurgitating for offspring being for carnis? Sure, though it would look good on omnis as well but whatever, but you can't seriously think a lean little raptor should be allowed to gorge and a fat ass stego should not

hybrid matrix
paper oriole
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Yeah basically, not faction specific like mr utah here wants

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Some carnis, some herbis, some omnis, some more than others specific to the dino not the faction

hybrid matrix
barren zephyr
hybrid matrix
barren zephyr
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What?

hybrid matrix
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blubber offers protection, no?

paper oriole
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There are a few slow fat blob herbis who look like they could gorge for some extra thicc layers

barren zephyr
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Well fat does work for retaining water and extra nutrients, but I'm not sure how much it helps when your likely rivals have some sharp weaponry (e.g. Giganotosaurus and Tyrannosaurus, which also have serrated teeth, as well as other Acrocanthosaurus)

teal parrot
# noble pine Again, pointing out all of the nice things you do doesnā€™t exactly sound flatteri...

Itā€™s better to ask rather than judge too. But if someone judges because thatā€™s one of the things normal people do, I donā€™t judge back, I just tell them the truth. No problem. I understand that people donā€™t think the way I do, but that doesnā€™t give anyone the right to judge someone for thinking differently just like I shouldnā€™t judge everyone for being different. Iā€™ve long ago stopped trying to change my style to conform to the normal behavior. I expect normal ppl to accept me as different just like I accept them as different. šŸ™‚

paper oriole
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Cerato, acro, deino, trike, stego, anky come to my mind with being able to just stuff their face given the chance

noble pine
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Ego issues out of the way, Utahraptor itself is a good dinosaur and deserves the same treatment the rest of them get. You canā€™t fault the animal when itā€™s the players fault for making it into such trollish stain.

hybrid matrix
lilac swallow
paper oriole
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ā€œI don't judge backā€ immediately judges me to be a dryo main because i don't like the novaraptor reject that is Utah TI_Troll

noble pine
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Canā€™t fault rex itself for being either brain dead or way too good in the right hands, thatā€™s just a fact of shitty balancing.

teal parrot
paper oriole
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Same thing broh

noble pine
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Judging and speculating arenā€™t the same

teal parrot
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Actually judgment (in our vernacular) is a condemnation. Speculation is neutral. I would never condemn you.

paper oriole
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ā€œYou must be a dryo mainā€ is in fact judgment based on an unrelated statement i made, but this has gone pretty far off topic

cyan flame
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So is there a reason why you're arguing this or that critter should be treated differently?

noble pine
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Letā€™s just move on.

teal parrot
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Yep letā€™s drop it and get back to dinos! Yay!

paper oriole
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Yeah back to which dinos should stuff their fat faces or something idk

noble pine
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This topic is getting no where and Iā€™m gonna start losing brain cells if I keep seeing you 2 make baseless assumptions.

hybrid matrix
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ok

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so

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name a dino

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lets make a list

noble pine
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Rex

hybrid matrix
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no repeating names

paper oriole
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Trike

teal parrot
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Iguanas on

noble pine
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Spino

hybrid matrix
paper oriole
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Spino does look like he'd be a fat ass, never thought of him

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Acro

hybrid matrix
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no just list the dinos

noble pine
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Oh

teal parrot
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Iguanadon is not confirmed to be added?!?

noble pine
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Nope

hybrid matrix
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i'll come up with the effects of gorging for each dino

noble pine
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It on the table

barren zephyr
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Acro is hideously misproportioned when compared to it's real life counterpart.

noble pine
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So are a lot of things

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So what

paper oriole
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Acro stress eats because he is insecure about his bad design

barren zephyr
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The head is more like that of Carcharodontosaurus. It's not an acro, it's a weird fat carcha.

hybrid matrix
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alright, start listing

noble pine
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Yes soup, we know, back to listing

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Herra

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Bary

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Austro

paper oriole
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Stego
Anky
Deino

noble pine
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Alberto

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Ptera

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Quetz

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Bipea

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Minmi

paper oriole
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Magy

noble pine
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Allo

hybrid matrix
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acro

noble pine
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Fatcro

teal parrot
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Galli

hybrid matrix
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ovi

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velo

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troodon

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dryo

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compy

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cera

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para

paper oriole
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Mono

hybrid matrix
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maia

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dilo

paper oriole
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Channel catfish

teal parrot
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Kentro

hybrid matrix
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utah

paper oriole
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Proto
Homalo

hybrid matrix
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pachy
ava
oro
taco
sucho
theri
giga
rex

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spino

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carno

paper oriole
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Shant
Camara
Brachi

hybrid matrix
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dibble

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pachyrhino

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hypsi

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rugops

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i think thats it

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i think thats all of them

paper oriole
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Beipiao?

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O wait it was just spelt different in the list

hybrid matrix
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Herra
Bary
Austro
Stego
Anky
Deino
Alberto
Ptera
Quetz
Beipi
Minmi
magy
allo
acro
galli
ovi
velo
troodon
dryo
compy
cera
para
mono
maia
dilo
kentro
utah
proto
homa
pachy
ava
oro
taco
sucho
theri
giga
rex
spino
carno
dibble
pachyrhino
hypsi
rugops

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thats a big list

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ok

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so

vale pawn
hybrid matrix
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Herra = can gorge 10% of its food bar
Bary = can gorge 5% of its food bar
Austro = can gorge 7% of its food bar
Stego = can gorge 25% of its food bar
Anky = can gorge 15% of its food bar
Deino = can gorge 20% of its food bar
Alberto = can gorge 10% of its food bar
Ptera = can gorge 5% of its food bar
Quetz = can gorge 5% of its food bar
Beipi = can gorge 5% of its food bar
Minmi = can gorge 7% of its food bar
magy = can gorge 10% of its food bar
allo = can gorge 12% of its food bar
acro = can gorge 75% of its food bar
galli = can gorge 2% of its food bar
ovi = can gorge 4% of its food bar
velo = can gorge 5% of its food bar
troodon = can gorge 7% of its food bar
dryo = can gorge 2% of its food bar
compy = can gorge 1% of its food bar
cera = can gorge 30% of its food bar
para = can gorge 35% of its food bar
mono = can gorge 10% of its food bar
maia = can gorge 10% of its food bar
dilo = can gorge 7% of its food bar
kentro = can gorge 10% of its food bar
utah = can gorge 5% of its food bar
proto = can gorge 10% of its food bar
homa = can gorge 3% of its food bar
pachy = can gorge 15% of its food bar
ava = can gorge 20% of its food bar
oro = can gorge 3% of its food bar
taco = can gorge 3% of its food bar
sucho = can gorge 20% of its food bar
theri = can gorge 15% of its food bar
giga = can gorge 35% of its food bar
rex = can gorge 30% of its food bar
spino = can gorge 25% of its food bar
carno = can gorge 5% of its food bar
dibble = can gorge 15% of its food bar
pachyrhino = can gorge 20% of its food bar
hypsi = can gorge 4% of its food bar
rugops = can gorge 7% of its food bar
trike = can gorge 50% of its food bar

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aight

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thats the list

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read thru it

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lemme kno if anything seems off

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oh

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and i forgot trike

paper oriole
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Trike should be a fat shit like acro tbh

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Look at him

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Honestly i'd give anky a bit more too but the disgraceful thing calling itself anky that weā€™re getting doesn't look like a proper chonker

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I'd also give rugops a bit more if he gets the nasty bastard scavenger niche i've seen discussed with him a few times

hybrid matrix
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how much more

paper oriole
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Maybe 10-15%

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Of his hunger bar

hybrid matrix
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aight

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made a suggestion

paper oriole
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I'd also probably bump taco to 10% since he's a pretty stout guy

hybrid matrix
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aight

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i forgot shant

paper oriole
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Maybe just 15-20% not sure how mobile theyre gonna make him

safe galleon
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so gorging is how much you can overeat? I feel like 1% is pretty useless and not very needed

hybrid matrix
hybrid matrix
safe galleon
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yes and that's so little that it's not even needed

paper oriole
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1% would help him against puking from uneven food value stacking at least lol

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Ya for shant, 10-15

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Er 15-20 i mean

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Maybe 3% wiggle room for compy so he can scavenge more reliably

hybrid matrix
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ok

paper oriole
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Because sometimes that food value pops a few % over the cap from one bite

hybrid matrix
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yeah

teal parrot
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I would lower percentages that herbivores can gorge, and increase what carnivores can gorge, based on observations of irl animals like antelope, lions, wolves, elephants etc. wolves donā€™t really gorge themselves. So I agree with smaller pack hunters having very small gorge percentage. Scavengers should have high gorge percentages I agree with that too. Animals that might be larger and pack hunters like carnos and allos should be able to gorge more, similar to how lions and tigers really like to gorge themselves. Herbivores that are similar to modern bovine creatures should have a decent gorge percentage, since those animals Irl Are constantly eating. But not as high as the trike is listed, because herbivores just donā€™t gorge anywhere near the way carnivores do. IRL, the gorging behavior is a natural response to the rarity and difficulty associated with finding food. So once carnivores have food, they tend to stuff themselves, ranging between starvation and overeating. Herbivores tend to walk a balance in behavior. So if anything, Iā€™d put the gorgiest herbivore at 110% max, and the gorgiest carnivore at 130% max. Thoughts?

hybrid matrix
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ok allo is like a lion
but carno is not like a tiger
not one bit

teal parrot
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PS by 110% I mean, 10% of food bar.

hybrid matrix
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a carno is not gonna gorge itself as much as an allo

teal parrot
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Ok fair

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Iā€™d compare a carno to a hyena maybe. Lol

hybrid matrix
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wrong again

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cera is a hyena

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carno is a cheetah

teal parrot
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Ok fair itā€™s not hyena but itā€™s defiantly not a cheetah

hybrid matrix
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ok wut else could it be if its not a cheetah

teal parrot
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Iā€™d say maybe a leopard

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Except that leopards arenā€™t pack animals

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Like a cross between a cheetah and a leopard. Lol

noble pine
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@stuck bison why would they halt dinosaurs for mechanics when the people who work on dinosaurs arenā€™t the same people who work on mechanics

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They may work on mechanics for dinosaurs, but thatā€™s what youā€™re asking for.

stuck bison
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I'm not saying that the model artists and such halt what they are working on

teal parrot
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But I love ur list and it rocks with the exception of that one counter suggestion!

hybrid matrix
noble pine
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Seems kinda dumb to hard focus 1 aspect of the game rather than having some do mechanics, some do animations, some do models, so do concept etc etc

stuck bison
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I mean the programming priority of getting those dinos in and working and balanced and all that other stuff when they could be focusing on the programming aspect of core mechanics

noble pine
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Hypno does balance, so heā€™s gonna do that no matter what

stuck bison
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I'm talking about the programming focus specifically

hybrid matrix
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i feel like certain mechanics should get their own updates where its just the mechanic and no dinos

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like fractures

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gore

teal parrot
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@hybrid matrix what was ur methodology for assigning those values?

hybrid matrix
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UI

barren zephyr
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I would much more prefer an actual base to the game before dinosaurs. Having fleshed out game mechanics with maybe 2 or 4 dinos would make Evrima a lot more enjoyable.

noble pine
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Also, itā€™s better from a professional perspective to release 1-2 core mechanics with 1-2 dinosaurs, that way people are getting new things to do with new dinosaurs to play.

hybrid matrix
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etc.

stuck bison
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Ok

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But lets bump update 7 to update 4

noble pine
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Programming dinosaurs takes a long time to do, the longer you put it off, the long we have to wait

hybrid matrix
teal parrot
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Nice šŸ‘šŸ½

stuck bison
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Cause otherwise I predict Evrima servers will be dead up until update 7

dry osprey
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Ffs theyā€™re asking for the mechanics to be moved up. Theyā€™re not being worked on at all until they get to that card, theyre not asking for everyone to stop what theyre doing

stuck bison
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They will flare when an update hits cause people will go 'ooo new dino' but after a week or two it'll be dead again cause there's nothing to do

hybrid matrix
dry osprey
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Not picking sides here but it seems painfully obvious thatā€™s what they meant like come on

hybrid matrix
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updates 4-6 is gonna be great

stuck bison
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it's not the only thing but it's a good primary thing

teal parrot
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@noble pine I watched the first dev qa super awesome. Who were those guys? Was one of them Dondi?

noble pine
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The guy with longer hair is dondi

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The other is paradym, who is no longer on the team for reason we wonā€™t discuss here.

barren zephyr
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I understand they want a good base for the game, a good foundation to add more things onto. Which is fantastic in my opinion, but I'd so much more prefer if they added mechanics that made the game more enjoyable. Add as many dinos as you want, but without good mechanics and a good foundation for the game I'm afraid it's not going to go well. That's my personal opinion at least, I prefer play-ability over more dinos.

Yes.. adding 2 dinos and 2 mechanics is fine, but then again I feel as if having more and better fleshed out mechanics makes the game more enjoyable. All in my opinion.

hybrid matrix
dry osprey
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Dieno an Ptra are incredibly important actually

noble pine
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When you mass add mechanics with no diversity in dinosaurs, the game will still become stale.

dry osprey
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They are the based for every semi-aquatic and flyer that will be added and are the foundation to hose future mechanics

noble pine
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Also, some mechanics require a specific dinosaur or creature to be in the game

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When that creature isnā€™t present, you just have a useless mechanic

hybrid matrix
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i mean gore ig

stuck bison
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There. Hows that? Better? @noble pine

hybrid matrix
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but thats rlly it

noble pine
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Yes

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Let me look

stuck bison
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Deino and Ptera are important it's why I said I understood their necessity

dry osprey
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That wasnā€™t at you Shy

stuck bison
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No I was talking to Solitary.

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About adjusting what I was stating.

dry osprey
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My bad then

hybrid matrix
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elders, diets, fractures, UI, and nesting dont need a specific dino in

noble pine
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I think hard focusing mechanics and system after we get all of the dinos in that need certain mechanics to even be functional is fine

stuck bison
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I just would like to have something to actually do, and something I could convince people makes it worth switching over to evrima

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Everyone keeps telling me 'but I can't nest'

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when it's the constant you hear everywhere and the servers lay dead that feels like a massive contributor

hybrid matrix
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they think that nesting is the most enjoyable part of the game bc thats the only thing to do in legacy
just wait until they find out about diets

stuck bison
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If the servers weren't dead I'd go 'ok I'll play with these people'

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but the servers are DEAD.

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I don't know how much diets will bring people in. I hope it would but....I don't know. I guess I'll just have to disappear for a few more months and hope when I come back I can play.

hybrid matrix
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afk growing will be no more\

stuck bison
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How many people are going to get drawn in to that requirement when they don't have something like nesting in friends to make getting together easier to fall back on with the added difficulty of diets though?

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Everyone can AFK grow right now, while the game is easy to play and don't play the game.

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People enjoy nesting cause they get to see the itty bitty cute baby dinos, they get to nest in their friends, they get to goof around a bit and play the mom or dad or mischievious baby. They get to deal with the added dangers of baby snatching or getting snatched. There's a lot more social involvement that pulls players together to play together with nesting. Diets is more of a solitary game play mechanic. It's not going to pull people in as well as nesting would.

teal parrot
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Iā€™m not a coder but I think they have the order of the roadmap for a reason. Certain code and tech is foundational to other tech, and so has to be developed and implemented first. If Iā€™m wrong, pls correct me.

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I agree with you in spirit tho

stuck bison
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Don't get me wrong. I LOVE the diet system and I'm super excited for it. It's just after an hour of playing on a server with no one else on and walking around with no one to run into it's pretty boring.

teal parrot
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Well r you on North American sever? If so gimme a shout Iā€™ll play with ya! Itā€™s got good ping and low lag so Iā€™m happy to have company on there.

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Otherwise there r other active evrima servers like ibis isle

stuck bison
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I prefer to play official servers personally. My schedule is chaotic as well.

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Yeah, I was on there....long enough to see the mix grouping and everyone just sitting with everyone and no one playing the game....

teal parrot
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Ya I like officials sometimes. And ya, mix packing happens a lot there. Lol. Iā€™m not a fan of it. Iā€™m in between jobs due to pandemic so shout me out when ur planning to play a little and Iā€™ll join you on an official.

stuck bison
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I should say no one playing the game in the same manner as is accustomed on official servers

teal parrot
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I should say Iā€™m more a fan of the realism servers tho, but Iā€™m cool with offials as long as I have company lol

barren zephyr
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Tbh main reason I dont play evrima is because of how ugly it looks and feels, the movement mechanics just don't sit well with me.

stuck bison
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Interesting considering it looks better then legacy and mechanics are 100% better in terms of movement vs legacy but ok. I respect your opinion Yeager though I don't agree with it.

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I wouldn't mind realism servers if they actually supported realism

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Anything with a 'body down' rule isn't realism to me. The moment you can go 'oh I'm safe now' cause someone else died isn't realism

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Plenty of animals actually hunt for sport and will mass kill for the sake of it as well. For a true realism server to exist body down shouldn't exist

teal parrot
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I donā€™t mean to be argumentative, but could you provide some examples and data to back that up? Because based on the info Iā€™m aware of regarding animal behavior, they do not kill for sport except in very rare cases. In nature documentaries Iā€™ve never observed carnivores killing for sport and not eating the body, although there are certainly isolated examples of revenge killing, destruction of other animals bloodlines, like in lion prides etc. but these are not sport killings, they have legitimate biological motivations. Thoughts?

stuck bison
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Dolphins quite commonly hunt and kill porposus for sport. Cats will hunt and kill despite needing any food or sustance because they are fully provided for by owners.

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Animals will kill to hone and keep their hunting skills sharp at times, even when food is abundant.

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The point is that in the wild, there is no 'body down' rule, and there is no 'no KOS'. It is chaotic and terrorfying. To set up rules that take away that element, that provides a 'safe haven' over something such as that takes out that element and negates 'realism'

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And the secondary rules attached to body down further negates realism. 'you can't try and steal food from a gore without challenging the person'. Scavangers steal bits and peices all the time but no, not allowed. 'you have to challenge a person verbally if you want their food' not all predators are going to do that, some are ambush predators who will ambush something to attack it rather then announce their prescence

teal parrot
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Orcas also have been observed sport killing, but these are rare and isolated cases. Sometimes when orcas and dolphins appear to sport kill, they are actually delicacy killing, and they leave the rest of the carcass for scavengers while they eat only a single prized portion, like the liver.
Then of course there are the isolated incidents of mass killing, like one dog that killed a bunch of penguins apparently just for sport. I could be wrong, but I donā€™t see evidence of mass or sport killing being a common behavior. It appears to be rare, and maybe even pathological.

stuck bison
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Yes but then there's cats.

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And that's not rare, that's constant

teal parrot
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I agree with the food stealing point I make entirely tho.

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You*

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Cats you mean how they play with their food?

stuck bison
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The point however is that point is that when a body drops. it shouldn't suddenly put every herbivore at ease and have a safe zone until that body is finished

teal parrot
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Yes I agree with that kinda.

stuck bison
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I have cats that hunt and kill just to hunt and kill. They get fed plenty but do it anyways, it's a way for them to keep their hunting skills sharp. As well as some animals will hunt and kill to stash the food for later. Foxes do this along with some other canines and omnivorous animals, not just nuts and berries but with kills.

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And as you said, an animal may kill for just one prize part of the animal and move on leaving the carcass, though it's a game without that mechanic, the fact that is a thing should mean in a realism server if someone eats some from a body and decides to abandon it and move on they should be able to

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instead we also have this 'you can't leave the gore until it's finished or someone chases you off of it'

teal parrot
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I mean, if ur a carnivore and you kill a large herbivore that can obv feed you and ur friends, ur not gonna continue to attack and attempt to kill more herbivores tho. Ur gonna stop and eat, and guard that kill you made. Unless itā€™s a small meal of course. But, humans tend to lean towards gratis killing for the sake of sport and excitement. So I think some servers put more extreme rules in place, to temper the excesses of the player base and to weed out players who want to kill just for the kicks, rather than roleplay an animals life and behavior.

stuck bison
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When I would play utah raptor. I played as a lone wolf type. I'd hunt, kill, eat what filled me, move on. leaving what was left for anyone else. But per a lot of realism server rules I'm not aloud to do that.

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I'm just saying I get a more 'realism' game play experience from Official servers then I ever do on realism servers

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When you make everything predictable because of all the rules you put in place. you suck any level of realism of what it is like in the wild right out of it

teal parrot
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surplus_killing

Surplus killing

Surplus killing, also known as excessive killing, henhouse syndrome, or overkill, is a common behavior exhibited by predators, in which they kill more prey than they can immediately eat and then they either cache or they abandon the remainder. The term was invented by Dutch biologist Hans Kruuk after studying spotted hyenas in Africa and red fox...

teal parrot
stuck bison
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Nope. rules state I have to stay with the body until the gore is gone. Some places have that as a rule

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They also have it where you can't 'share' with scavangers when in the wild there are often times that so long as the top predator gets all the good bits they don't care of some scavanger species come and share with the kill

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But nope. People want to micromanage other people to the point that it's not fun

teal parrot
stuck bison
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I have a very simple set of rules that consists of 11 rules total.

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I stopped funding the server cause no one wanted to play though cause there's nothing to do right now

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if ever people DO play evrima then it may come back and the discord server might have life again to it.

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But eh...

teal parrot
stuck bison
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The ones that everyone has heard of tend to be that micro managing

teal parrot
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Tell me ur rules, Iā€™d like to check ur discord out

stuck bison
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when the rules get in the way of me being able to behave like an animal it becomes a server not for me.

teal parrot
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One thing I never liked about some servers is the rule against helping other animals species. Iā€™ve witnessed many animals of different species help or protect one another. From carnivores sharing kills, to one animal rescuing another animal from a predator or attacking a predator to save another species life.

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Some animals even adopt babies of other species and raise and protect them.

teal parrot
stuck bison
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Yeah there are cases where animals help one another. It's one reason I wanted to seperate species more by 'predatory, non-predatory, and prey' and then do a more detailed snyopsis in which animals might naturally be found living peacefully near one another to a point. There's also the fact that though for example some animals herd together like in the savannah, rarely do you see an antelope come to the defense of a zebra. But you may see a wilderbeast that's nearby get aggressive and try to chase off the lion.

teal parrot
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Right. Iā€™ve never seen an example of a smaller animal coming to the defense of a larger one.

stuck bison
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Problem is there's to many people who wants to play each dino like it's it's a class rather then a species. They treat it like a raiding party that's supposed to take out a boss and each one has it's specialty instead of putting themselves in the mindset of the animal itself and what would come of it naturally and thats why you end up with 'no mix packing' more then anything else, and even then they still allow it with herbivores which causes massive problems for any carnivore trying to legitimately hunt

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Because of that, That's why I don't agree with mixed herbivore groups in official servers if carnivores aren't allowed to mix group either.

teal parrot
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Fair. I agree. The other day, a pack of Utahā€™s and carnos were hanging out. I say hanging out, the carnos were stalking the Utah rock, trying to keep Utahā€™s from hunting, and hoping to make a quick meal out of us. Lol. It didnā€™t work of course, the Utahā€™s came and went as we pleased because Utahā€™s can out maneuver carnos. But then a herd of tenos came along.
I suggested to the carnos that instead of having this unprofitable stand off between 6 adult Utahā€™s and 3 adult carnos, we should all just hunt the tenos together. I was immediately informed that this would be mix packing and against the rules. Which seemed impractical to me, as two carnivorous species would hunt each other so long as other prey wasnā€™t available. But if it was, it wouldnā€™t be practical for both species to fight a battle that would mutually destroy them. I donā€™t think in the wild, animals would pass up hunting together like that.

stuck bison
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Well now usually the only time two predatory species tends to be noted to mix hunt in the wild is when it s a 1:1 ratio as well. You don't usually see a family of badgers pair with a family of coyotes to take something down. But you do see one badger working with one coyote to flush out prey and work together.

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So a pack of utah's working with a pack of carno's wouldn't be to realistic at all. However, It would have made more sense for the carno's to switch focus to the tenonto's instead of the utahs as that would have been a more logical prey item, unless of course you were to declare that a territorial dispute

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Honestly though generally in the wild after having not achieved anything it would've made more sense for the carno's to just move on and actually look elsewhere for food if we were to try and achieve a more realistic animal behavior. (unless of course this was what they considered their territory/nesting area) then of course they'd just keep hounding you until you died.

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However a lot of species of animal if it was proved time and again that they couldn't 'get rid' of the issue, and felt it was a threat to their young it would make more sense for them to seek a different nesting territory. Because they wouldn't be able to eliminate the threat and it would be to constant for them to feel comfortable.

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and if it was just for food then I would have guessed (if they were going for realism) that the carnos would switch focus to the tenonto's for food. and tried to hunt one down. I don't see the utahs helping in trying to take the same tenonto target down, but the group targeting a different tenonto by trying to take oppertunity in the confusion I could see. If they went for two seperate tenonto targets away from one another instead of the same one, that would have made sense.

wary sparrow
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@tawny juniper grazing while walking is already in evrima

celest furnace
vast wolf
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picking prey is up to you. i personally think a utah is an easier kill for a carno especially if said utah is fighting a tenonto and was injured. the carno could simply sit back and wait for the fight to end. if theirs a body that drops the carno could easily take it or if the aggressing animal(s) in this case utahs back off the carno is more likely to go for the animal in a worse state. weather that's a badly hurt tenonto or a near dead utah. everything is in the end up to player preference and decided by the player.

undone saddle
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@hybrid matrix you forgot homalocephale

hybrid matrix
undone saddle
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Ok

hybrid matrix
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Homa is between pachy and proto

undone saddle
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Thanks sorry for wasting your time

teal parrot
stuck bison
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You can see it from a game play perspective but in the wild it really wouldn't play out like that generally speaking

tawny juniper
sacred quest
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i could see multiple packs hunting one herd as the chaos made from it would allow many openings for animals in the herd to be potentially killed

barren zephyr
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...Orcs?

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That Spino actually owns hard I love it

hybrid matrix
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theres a part of me that feels like that spino is the real spino and we had a cretaceous long-nosed reptilian hippo

barren zephyr
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It was the real Spino.

hybrid matrix
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honestly
i want to believe that this is the real spino just so that i can make fun of jurassic park 3 fans

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"spino twasnt your big stupid kaiju creature, twas a chunky hippo!"

barren zephyr
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I like most Spinos

hybrid matrix
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same here
except for bipedal spinos with tiny sails
bipedal spinos with big sails i can live with. thats why i have no real problems with legacy spoon

barren zephyr
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I mean that Spino looks convincing despite the inaccuracies like pronated wrists (though the hand structure could easily be modified to enable such a posture)

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I wish more people would be more creative when reconstructing Spino, its a very bizarre creature you can interpret in many ways. But nope, we just get shit like boring Evrima Spino.

hybrid matrix
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yeah :/

pure vigil
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Legit

barren zephyr
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Well now that we have a tail from the Neotype, we can confirm it may have looked a bit more boring.

hybrid matrix
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i never wouldve looked at a spino skeleton and thought to myself "this mustve looked like a huge hippo"

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falcon spino TI_Troll

barren zephyr
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Never seen a falcon spino

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oh good lord what is this

16164440320716081349473587396971.png
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i have never seen this in my life

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It is the real Spino

crystal sage
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Mmmmm that vegaspino needs to die a horrible death

hybrid matrix
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ooh
whale spino
spino with fins on its hands like a mosa

barren zephyr
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In 2013 we (a) had no Spinosaurus hindlimb or tail material, and thus that is a bunch of creative artistic liberties.

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i dont like it

crystal sage
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Man that.....that is just gross

barren zephyr
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It was actually meant for All Yesterdays, a pretty good book on Paleoart.

barren zephyr
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But I still like the fat buffalo style spino over the real animal.

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And I'm making the buffalo comparison because it's got a proper hump instead of a sail

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Btw what if we have a faceoff between the monster spino and the trunked spino

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Trunked Spino crushes it with its weight ez

paper oriole
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i'd unironically play trunked spino instead of our jp spino

swift dew
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while i agree additional phenotypes for certain dinosaurus would be cool, (because who doesn't want a feathered utah) but that monstrosity of an animal that you call a spino is just... no

paper oriole
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I assumed elephant seal spino was there as a joke lol but deadass i'd play it over the boring jp spinorex

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I heard they were actually planning to add a mosa of some kind further down the line, idk if its really official though

thorny crag
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The different calls, sizes and skins for males/females sound amazing but if the devs don't plan or add it im sure modders will eventually. Takes a while tho and modding is not even enabled yet. (will be in the future)

barren zephyr
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yeah certainly

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I really like the idea of different calls depending on what sex you are

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however, expect anything like that during update 7 with sexual dimorphism

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@frigid osprey

frigid osprey
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What

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Oh

swift dew
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only slight differences, enough to tell whether an animal is male or female from pretty close but not enough that they sound like two entirely different animals

barren zephyr
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yes

haughty cliff
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Calls for breeding would be a bit problematic unless directed only at the crosshairs target. Otherwise you might get the wrong parent, messing with skin inheritance etc

odd sedge
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Yeah true good point

barren zephyr
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however, if it is privately owned. NOT OFFICIAL
Talk to the owner of the server

civic sparrow
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@idle ibex I feel like diving should be giving to a diff bird, cough, pelagornis, cough and ptera can comfortably rely on skimming and doesnā€™t really need one I personally feel

valid elk
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Does anyone wanna talk about my Iguanodon suggestion?

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Just curious if anyone had any problems or suggestions for it.

paper oriole
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It looks like a pretty solid suggestion

valid elk
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Thanks

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I felt like I was a bit aggressive with it, but it seems pretty popular

paper oriole
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Would be nice to have more brawler herbis esp such an obvious popular choice

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Grappling predators with its spikes and slamming their shit while shanking them at the same time

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Be a total brute

valid elk
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I can't name any actual reasons it shouldn't be added, other than its the devs decision

paper oriole
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Yeah they add mono who they havent even revealed what will make it anything better than weak utah but don't want iggy because-?

hybrid matrix
paper oriole
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Iggy doesnt need any fancy mechanic made up for it to be good like mono or magy it is a very valid choice for the roster

hybrid matrix
paper oriole
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No lol

hybrid matrix
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:(

paper oriole
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Im saying theyll need to pull some mad shit outta their ass to make magy work

hybrid matrix
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seriously tho magy has the tools to defend itself

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our magy

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not actual magy

valid elk
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Could have just put in Bajadasaurus

hybrid matrix
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tough shit we're getting magy

paper oriole
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If magy turns out good without it being crazy it'll be a pleasant surprise but i woulda preferred baja, amarga or ampelo

hybrid matrix
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same
but tough shit

paper oriole
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They already dumped the money on magy so it's too late, hopefully he isnt as shite as he seems

hybrid matrix
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he wont be

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he has a ton of armor

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blades on his shoulders

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a battering ram of a neck

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it'll be able to fight well

paper oriole
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He has a moderate amount of scutes sure but idk, cera is apparently a match for him so i worry about his balance against allo and alberto

hybrid matrix
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but still

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we're talking about iggy

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we got offtopic

paper oriole
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Cera was shown ripping magy's head in his concept art, magy was shown just CCing. I'm not keeping my hopes up for it but if it turns out to not be total peepeepoopoo then great

Iggy is too good not to come eventually

hybrid matrix
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yeah

paper oriole
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It's a famous dinosaur, a paleo favourite, viable and relatively unique

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Can hold its own, doesn't need to be hyper fictionalized

fickle jasper
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@tall oasis I will say, a marshland would be better than a mudland

hybrid matrix
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even if we dont get iggy until after EA, we should still get it

fickle jasper
paper oriole
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Why not have both marsh and mudland? It's a pretty big map

fickle jasper
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tru

hybrid matrix
paper oriole
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I want a big sexy slot canyon too

fickle jasper
valid elk
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Dondi played in a marshland once. Long grass, dandom splotches of deep water

paper oriole
hybrid matrix
paper oriole
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Its a hazard too, the surface entrance can be pretty narrow

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Would love to be there as a velo

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Could have a connected cave system too

arctic nimbus
fickle jasper
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idk, thats too narrow I think. What would happen when a rex and allo meet in there face to face, the allo doesnt stand much chance

paper oriole
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Its a sort of small tier mini biome

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If a mod tier goes in there it's at his own risk

hybrid matrix
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i'd love to be a human, hear a low grumble, and then see an allo in front of me, slowly moving forward

fickle jasper
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just make this

paper oriole
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Well the slot canyon can be a part of that biome

fickle jasper
fickle jasper
paper oriole
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Not everything needs to be full access to mids and up. I want some natural smaller tier biomes. Also imagine someone tripping and falling down the crevice because they don't watch their step lol

civic sparrow
paper oriole
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Rex chasing you, you hop over the narrow canyon and the fatass just gets his leg caught and breaks it

valid elk
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Fun fact: Pela won't come because everyone spammed it to Bryan and he got tired of it.

tall oasis
barren zephyr
barren zephyr
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to be honest, I want some shrublands

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@noble star there is no need to worry about it

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we aren't going to get another Legacy update, the devs understand that it's just a waste of time

noble star
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I mean

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I thought they already understood first time

barren zephyr
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what?? people having fun with hypos on chinese servers!!???

barren zephyr
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call packet quick

barren zephyr
swift dew
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@arctic turret partly because this is a game, irl pretty much everything bites and holds.

arctic turret
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yea u right

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it just looked weird to me

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i thought it would make sense for da big gator

swift dew
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i mean, it is nice to have two different attacks, instead of having one attack just a slightly different variant of the regular attack

arctic turret
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yeah mayb a tail swipe too

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cause it was getting bodied from behind

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even tho it can turn fast

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crocs got super strong tails

swift dew
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i tail attack for deino would be really cool, something that wouldn't do too much damage but could smack a utah down like teno

arctic turret
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yeayeayea

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just whip ppl around

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little flies behind u that u can swat

swift dew
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it just wouldn't give the stun so it would only be useful against small things that can run around and give you a quick spanking before running off

arctic turret
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rightright

swift dew
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it could knock things as big as cera down, and then anything bigger it would be pretty useless because nothing bigger can really manuver around your jaws to even get back there so you might as well use your more powerful weapon

arctic turret
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omg

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just imagine

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a carno speeding down a road

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it passes by a deino and it trips the fuc out of the carno

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itll look like when u make dragons crash in skyrim

barren zephyr
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@stray ledge What ever button it was that you picked it up with. I believe it is G.
Can't remember.

However, if you tried that already.
You have a bug. Report it in #šŸž-evrima-bug-reports-šŸž

icy lion
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its G

barren zephyr
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aight

stray ledge
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how do you drop bodies as the carno in evrima

icy lion
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press G

barren zephyr
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if you can't, then it's a bug

stray ledge
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ok thanks

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i got it

vague phoenix
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@crystal trail I'm so sorry for the ping Punch but there is ONE question that I have been wanting the answer forever since Evrima began. (I won't ask anything else) Has the Isle Dev team gone over thoughts from the Community about server owners having the choice to turn off humans so it can be a Dino only server? A lot of Realism servers want Dino's only and having humans wont help with it (<--what they said)

swift dew
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i am pretty sure they have already said humans can be turned off (don't quote me on this)

vague phoenix
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Didn't know where else to put this.

barren zephyr
vague phoenix
icy lion
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its very likely

barren zephyr
icy lion
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though im not sure its been mentioned recently, it has been brought up in the past

barren zephyr
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I can't remember if Punch said this, but I remember someone talking about Brachi being an option to play or not for admin perms

lilac swallow
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I think pretty much every single playable, including humans, would be toggleable

fickle oar
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^ some nice cave examples ^^

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The holed one is an old volcano, and the lush one was just another aesthetic to those lovely hidden cavern lakes :3

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Hoping to see stuff like these in the new map ā¤ļø

barren zephyr
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I would LOVE to see a Human Only server
To which the only dinos are AI

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but much later in the future

strange wave
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@swift dew how tf is beipi over proto dryo and minmi?

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and herrera

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like tf

swift dew
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your right, that one flew over me

strange wave
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and what does that have anything to do with feedback or suggestions?

swift dew
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the entire thing is a suggestion

strange wave
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for?

swift dew
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stego has already been called a pseudo apex, so i am suggesting it be considered an apex, sucho is usually considered a mid tier, so i am suggesting it be consider a pseudo apex.

strange wave
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still not getting how its a suggestion

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then you also merge pseudo mid and mid tier together

swift dew
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i also don't know how to devs are going to do other animals so i am giving suggestions to generally where they would be placed

strange wave
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placed in?

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they dont balance around tiers

icy lion
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balancing doesnt follow tier philosophy. tier lists and placements are made by the community, for the community, just to give a general idea of a dinosaurs size or strength

valid elk
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Pretty sure apexes depend on size and how well you fight

swift dew
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i was just about to say that, that it is also to help with people who don't know the general level of certain animals

valid elk
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Stegosaurus isn't an apex size.

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Its only five tons, gotta be over 6

strange wave
swift dew
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nvm ima just delete because yall clearly dont give a crap, i thought it would be cool, and to help newer players that might not even know the entire roster

still raptor
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Its not even feedback

strange wave
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why not just bring it up in isle discussion in ya know, actual discussion about said thing? instead of posting it in feedback where it probably shouldnt be, then getting defensive when you cant come up with a reason why its in feedback?

swift dew
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fine

barren zephyr
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@wanton hull We'll be seeing rendering improvements, and generally speaking, QoL and LoD improvements throughout each update

wanton hull
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This one is so easy to fix

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Surprised they missed this one

barren zephyr
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lol

paper oriole
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Seems kind of weird to be stunned by kicking something too big. A stagger would make a lot more sense and still leave you vulnerable

rain birch
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Hello, is it posible to play the game in 32:9 with 5120x1440? On my pc looks like zoomed.

paper oriole
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This would fit better than flat out realism spino imo, it still looks fierce while maintaining most of spino's accurate features

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Totally agree the spinorex is trash tho

pure fulcrum
civic sparrow
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Gorgeous

barren zephyr
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@fervent fable sorry, people hate accurate spinosaurs here because they want them to be monstrous rex topplers

fervent fable
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sadly.. XD

barren zephyr
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Though I personally see it as a stupid, abysmal trope brought about by some certain movie...

paper oriole
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What a waste of a unique aquatic theropod

civic sparrow
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Well on an island with many fierce creatures that it didnā€™t have to deal with in its time period... itā€™s gonna need to be a bit tougher

pure fulcrum
barren zephyr
fervent fable
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I hate the new spino's animations

paper oriole
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Like rex, giga, sucho and acro weren't enough for land they had to turn speen into a boring terrestrial too

barren zephyr
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Oh and our dinosaurs are already somehow deviating from their real life counterparts

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For example, rex is a fast ambush predator in the game

paper oriole
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Our rex is also tyrannorexic

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God i hate rex model, but at least it isnt as desecrated as spino

fervent fable
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honestly I prefer legacy spino at this rate-

civic sparrow
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šŸŖ

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Legacy spino be like

paper oriole
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At least legacy spino was cute

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New spino is just a dumb monster

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Its got 0 personality to it

fervent fable
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I feel the devs aren't really trying with animations anymore, like, allo, Spino, carno all the same weightless anims

paper oriole
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Hopefully that at least gets fixed when they hire more animators. Bryan is good at smaller dinos but he seems to base things way too much off of modern flightless birds who are nowhere near the right size

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Im sure he'll do galli well since its basically big emu/ostrich lol

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But the big boys need more

fervent fable
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bryan should be the bird dino guy who animates the ones that have bird like bodies

barren zephyr
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Legacy spinosaurus was really just a morphed Suchomimus, but better than our current one

civic sparrow
paper oriole
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it definitely had a better face, actually looked like a fisher and not some rex with a loony toons stretch face

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new one also has a sad small spine

barren zephyr
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We could have had a weird paleomeme spino, with some modern aspects of its anatomy added in

paper oriole
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i would have even preferred retro spino over what we got, at least i could point and laugh at that and not just look at it like "ugh"

barren zephyr
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while this isn't so accurate by today's standards, it still could be given some adjusments while retaining the same general features and its good to go.

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paper oriole
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deadass would play this abomination over jp spinorex baryonix maximus

civic sparrow
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Spino?

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barren zephyr
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Like a change to the current known skull

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perhaps a more visible crest, extended with keratin or skin

paper oriole
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they straight up put its eye in the wrong hole like how can they mess that up so bad

barren zephyr
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Yes

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AND WE STILL HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM FOR ARTISTIC LIBERTY

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The holotype and neotype may not even be the same taxon

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They come from different localities (the original holotype is from Egypt, the neotype and other known specimens are Moroccan)

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So hump backed spino, as unlikely as it is, still has potential to be an accurate reconstruction

noble pine
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Again, youā€™re trying changing spino merely for the aesthetic of it being unique, the design is basic, but youā€™re giving up more power, defense, the ability to hunt more than just fish, being able to defend against deinos in the water while also being able to defend against apexes on land. Is the new spino invincible? No, but itā€™s a lot better in terms of play style than ā€œlol I can swim with muh fin tail and I canā€™t win against anything bigger than suchoā€. What youā€™re doing is turning spino into a giant target thatā€™s incapable of escaping anything on land and has to compete with deino in the water.

lilac swallow
noble pine
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A better suggestion would be to ask for concept art spino

lilac swallow
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You dont need to be a Rex wannabe to not be a pushover

noble pine
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How is it not a pusher over? Arms lack muscle and arenā€™t long enough to swipe anything itā€™s size, legs are too short for running away from thing that could easily over power and take it down

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Thereā€™s literally nothing about our spino that is like rex excerpt the legs, itā€™s head isnā€™t like a rex, itā€™s arms arenā€™t, neither is itā€™s tail, nothing, itā€™s abilities and play style and look are completely different from trex besides the legs.

lilac swallow
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Idk, but isle never really cared about how much muscle something had to give It a strong attack

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Para 2-3 shotting allo despite having sticks for arms for example

paper oriole
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it can still use its weight, its stout legs and large tail give it extra balance. if it doesn't think it can stand up in the fight it can go in the water and flip off the rex/giga from there

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nothing really wrong with that tapwing spino

barren zephyr
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It dont have to be accurate Spino but can it be something that isnt so boring, Spino is an animal you can do so much with so why turn it into dumb basic kaiju, not even a cool kaiju

paper oriole
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yeah they basically tried to make it as uncreative as possible i swear

barren zephyr
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Yes, our spino just looks like dogshit.

lilac swallow
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We already have 3 Big theropods, we dont need a fourth

paper geyser
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even if people complain about legs, you can just give tap's spino longer legs and it'll still look a million times better than generic theropod #692 that we have now

pure fulcrum
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is it just me or does the spinos face just look a bit too short?

lilac swallow
paper oriole
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yep if somebody wants to brawl on land with a bigass theropod they can pick rex or giga. there was 0 reason to turn spino into the same trash almost every other dinosaur related game uses

barren zephyr
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''But it needs to be that way to defend itself!!!!'' No it doesnt, Spino is a very large, bulky animal and no matter how you depict it, its not something you take on lightly.

noble pine
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Please enlighten me

barren zephyr
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Spinosaurus has more potential as being a giant of rivers and esturaries instead of being a baryonyx with a tiny sail glued on and the eyes placed in the wrong fucking sockets

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Its theropod with Spino details slapped onto it

noble pine
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Giving it longer legs literally makes it another generic theropod by your definition

barren zephyr
lilac swallow
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It doesnt but wahtever

noble pine
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It literally does TI_Wheeze

lilac swallow
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Tyrannosaur body and giga legs

paper oriole
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it's generic because 90% of dino games or movies with spino have it as a long legged baryonix rex with a semicircle sail

barren zephyr
#

yes

lilac swallow
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Giga arms*

barren zephyr
#

What is the difference between Evrima Spinoa ns Sucho other than the sail

paper geyser
noble pine
noble pine
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That makes no sense lmfao

lilac swallow
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They are giga arms just with spino arm lenght

noble pine
noble pine
lilac swallow
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They are but keep going

paper geyser
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i don't think there's much else to be said other than "i want our spino to look the part". If you don't understand that then it's just a difference in opinion

lilac swallow
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If you can say shit like this i also can

paper oriole
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our spino has its eye in the wrong hole and rex brows, a small sail so they can still call it spinosaurus because it has one, generic land theropod legs, its arms arent that bad

noble pine
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They arenā€™t, the fingers and claws are much larger, the arms are longer and have more muscle, the only similarity is that they both have 3 fingers

barren zephyr
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The more I talk about it the more confident I am at calling Evrima Spino just pure shit

paper oriole
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i don't think i'd compare its arms to giga, the spino at least has better gripping claws but that might just be because its arms are already positioned with bent fingers and this is a t pose

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but its legs, head and sail are trash

noble pine
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I do wish the sail was larger

paper oriole
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its sail is so sad

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honestly i'd be content with them fixing his eye and his sail but god do i hate seeing spinos with long legs

lilac swallow
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The body could also be less literally tyranosaur

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I can stand the long legs if the rest of the design isnt dogshit

noble pine
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Legs are fine, arms are fine, skull should be longer, sail should be bigger, concept art tail

nova anchor
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honestly I like our new spino a lot, I'd prefer if we got a more accurate one like in the concept art, but I think if what we have is given a slightly larger sail it'll be fine

barren zephyr
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the concept is good, I guess

lilac swallow
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In fact, i actually like the new spino, but imho if i wanted to play a bulky terrestrial Big theropod i would just play rex

nova anchor
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same, and I know they're going to make spino more unique but I think it would be better if they went with the concept art

lilac swallow
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Concept art was a perfect compromise between its supposed niche and being unique

barren zephyr
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I don't really like Giga too much, but acro is a brilliant theropod imo

lilac swallow
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I just dont like carcharodontids in general, thats why i would go with rex

barren zephyr
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Yeah tyrannosaurs are dope

lilac swallow
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But spinosaurs and raptors are my favorites

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A shame they are the most cursed with the jp curse

noble pine
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Spinos good on land and in water, but the best at neither, itā€™s not a terrestrial animal by any stretch, walk out into an open field and youā€™d probably become a pack of rexes food. But being able to run full speed (I think?) Underwater is a huge advantage imo. I like the negatively buoyant idea, it could be great for a quick escape from deinos or a from other apexes, just haul ass through the water to the other side, theyā€™ll still be swimming and youā€™ll be out of there

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It also could be used for ambushing small prey items if youā€™re desperate and canā€™t find fish for some reason.

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Every time I think about spino fighting another apex I keep seeing our spino in the jwe fighting stance

hybrid matrix
noble pine
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Itā€™s not a bad fighting stance

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I literally canā€™t see it any other way

warm flame
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just read Xenon's feedback and to that I say how would you get the hypo blood for the weapon if you don't have the weapon to kill it with

noble pine
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Sleepy darts

hybrid matrix
paper oriole
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You ask the hyper very politely if you can have a blood sample

hybrid matrix
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wait

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actually thats smart

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u can only get the blood of a hyper from a dead hyper

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essentially making it near impossible to acquire the weapon

noble pine
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Use a hyper to kill a hyper

paper oriole
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lol i imagine a merc trying to shoot a hyper with a tranq dart and it just bounces off and the hyper slowly turns around like ā€œwho threw that piece of paper at me?ā€ Like that scene in Spongebob

nova anchor
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hypos should be really fucking difficult to kill

hybrid matrix
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also the ammo should be hella hard to get
like its not on the island so u have to buy it or smthn (but it would be insanely expensive)
meaning that even if u have the weapon, u would have to save it for a hyper since the ammo is so costly

nova anchor
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they should require a lot of time and people

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and coordination

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it shouldn't just be "haha funny bullet kill big monster"

hybrid matrix
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that or a hyper killing weapon should be near impossible to get and the ammo should be so costly that u cant just use it against regular dinos

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also

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the weapon should be so loud that everything can hear u

nova anchor
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a weapon that just kills hypos is extremely lame

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maybe there could be a weapon that assists in the process

hybrid matrix
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meaning that u rlly shouldnt use it unless theres a hyper trying to kill u

nova anchor
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but it shouldn't just be "I have this weapon so I can now leisurely kill a hypo"

hybrid matrix
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that or u could just make the weapon be near impossible to get, the ammo insanely expensive, and the risks of using the gun greater than the reward.

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as in

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u have to first find a dead hyper to acquire the weapon, u have to pay millions of dollars for a single bullet, and firing it makes so much noise that everything on the island can pinpoint ur area

noble pine
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Oh, donā€™t mind the 3rd photo TI_LUL

hybrid matrix
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still

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i think its very easy to balance such a powerful weapon

nova anchor
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I feel like if there are hypo-killing superweapons they should be absurdly difficult to use and should not be a "get out of hypo free" card

hybrid matrix
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it shouldnt just be
"uh oh its a hyper"
bang bang
"yay hyper ded"

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dammit i keep doing that

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i keep saying should and not shouldnt

nova anchor
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like some giant ass energy cannon that requires a a few minutes to charge up and needs to be manually pushed to move it around

noble pine
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Eww

hybrid matrix
nova anchor
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just an example

hybrid matrix
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it should be very large

nova anchor
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my point is it shouldn't be a handheld gun

hybrid matrix
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possible mountable on a vehicle

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or a structure

nova anchor
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idk about vehicle mounted

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maybe its tied to a certain structure

hybrid matrix
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if we get humvees then it could be mountable to a humvee

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eh

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nvm

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but it should be mountable to structures

nova anchor
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yeah I feel like thats too op

hybrid matrix
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u cant lug it around alone

nova anchor
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honestly, some sort of trap would be ideal

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like a trap designed for hypos

hybrid matrix
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and u cant have ur gun out while ur lugging it

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how would u design a trap for a 40 foot tall t-rex on steroids

nova anchor
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exactly, it should be extremely difficult

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and should require a large group and a lot of coordination

hybrid matrix
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no like how would this trap look

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how would u disguise such a massive trap

nova anchor
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idfk, just the idea of some sort of set immobile weapon that involves coordination and planning

hybrid matrix
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i think a mountable gun would be better

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OOH

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i just had an epiphany

nova anchor
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gun is just kind of lame tbh

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oh?

hybrid matrix
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it could be a shotgun (hear me out)
but the range is so bad that u would have to get right up next to the hypo to hit it
the shotgun would be insanely heavy since it fires MASSIVE slugs

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btw thats inspired by the Slugger Shot from EDF 5

nova anchor
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it should not be handheld

hybrid matrix
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a shotgun that shoots giant bullets but has a range of 48 meters

nova anchor
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no

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handheld superweapon cringe

hybrid matrix
nova anchor
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you described it as a shotgun

hybrid matrix
hybrid matrix
paper oriole
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What is aarchy TI_Dilothink @tawny juniper

nova anchor
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yeah a shotgun is incredibly lame

hybrid matrix
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an insanely powerful shotgun with shit range

nova anchor
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yeah no

hybrid matrix
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fine

paper oriole
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Oh, arch is teensy isnt he

hybrid matrix
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yeah

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ok so its a small cannon then

tawny juniper
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My brain wasnt wporking though lmao

paper oriole
#

He's a cool guy but he's still like micro range

nova anchor
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that is bird

tawny juniper
hybrid matrix
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yeah thats literally just a bird

nova anchor
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it bird

tawny juniper
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Archy

paper oriole
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Shanag or changyuraptor are better options as a glider

hybrid matrix
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archeopteryx is a bird

nova anchor
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bird

hybrid matrix
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i like shanag

tawny juniper
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Archy is Archy

nova anchor
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its a funny bird

hybrid matrix
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its easier to say than changyuraptor

paper oriole
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He has a chad name

tawny juniper
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Archy

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Is chad

paper oriole
#

Archy is adorable but what would he eat aside from bugs?

tawny juniper
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Like pt

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idk'

paper oriole
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Maybe tho i mean compy would body arch as its the current cleanup crew tiny tier

hybrid matrix
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archy is compy with feathers

torn thistle
#

Also Velociraptor and other smaller tier carnivores exist.

paper oriole
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If they add more ambient birds then arch could be one of them but as part of the actual ecosystem he can't hunt and wouldn't be worth hunting

tawny juniper
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ig

barren zephyr
paper oriole
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Maybe as a mod in the future but he's like a single skittle in the food chain

barren zephyr
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And btw I would like to see velo or some smaller carnivore leaping up to catch birds like weavers or fowl (like Caracals)

tawny juniper
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Could potentially create an arboreal ecosystem with archy?

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With smaller flying ai and bugs

paper oriole
#

Velo should totally have some level of climbing/leaping

tawny juniper
barren zephyr
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Sociable weavers, which live in Africa, form these large colonies

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torn thistle
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Also, creature suggestions have to explain what something could add to the game, how it'd differ from any potential current in-game playables. Shanag just feels like Troodon.

paper oriole
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Shanag would be a glider

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Which is something a lot of people have been wanting

torn thistle
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Plus being a fragmentary critter doesn't help much

barren zephyr
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Velo can jump about 3 meters up, which isn't too bad for catching birds

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though caracals can do an impressive 4 meters

paper oriole
tawny juniper
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I mean gliding is wanted but how would it fit into the game as a nice and used mechanic

paper oriole
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Oof the image doesnt load

tawny juniper
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Is shanag going to be the only thing in the trees other then austro?

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In that case it would hardly work

paper oriole
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I can try adding lore details to the suggestion

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Wait austro

tawny juniper
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It would be on the ground more then it wouldnt

paper oriole
#

You mean herrera right

barren zephyr
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Austro is not a climber

tawny juniper
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Herrera whatever

barren zephyr
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Austro and Herrerasaurus are anything but alike, unless talking legacy

torn thistle
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Austro is a wading fisher, Herrera is given the fictional ability of climbing

tawny juniper
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I get them mixed upm because they are both not very good in legacy and arent playable

barren zephyr
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Austro is the 2nd largest known raptor (or Unenlagid, if Unenlagidae is a valid family), whereas Herrerasaurus is this oddball saurischian which may or may not be a theropod

tawny juniper
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ok

paper oriole
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I added a bit more Shanag details of it help

tawny juniper
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funny name isn't a reason for it to be added

paper oriole
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Sshh it's just there as a bonus

tawny juniper
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if you want it to be taken seriously then I would make teh suggestion serious is all i'm saying

paper oriole
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C'mon man don't gotta be such a stick in the mud

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Or whatever the phrase is

nova anchor
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funny name is all the reason you need

paper oriole
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Shanag is love. Shanag is life

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Say his name. Shanag

outer condor
#

Shanag

paper oriole
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Beautiful

outer condor
#

Balaur better TI_Troll

paper oriole
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Balaur is beautiful but i think he's a bit too chonkers to be a glider

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He's a speculative omnivore right? He'd be cool

outer condor
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Yea balaur is cool

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paper oriole
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Arboreal omnivore with those badass double switchblade feet

outer condor
#

I imagine balaur would be able to glide down onto dinosaurs

paper oriole
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Idk about glide but he could totally be a dropbear

tawny juniper
outer condor
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I would give balaur a glide to make it unique from velo

paper oriole
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Isnt herrera gonna drop from the trees though? Idk about boring

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Eventually an arboreal omni would be cool so Balaur can be on the table

tawny juniper
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Can climb trees but hunts on ground for the most part

barren zephyr
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Herrerasaurus might be best compared to a clouded leopard

tawny juniper
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Yes

barren zephyr
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These do climb trees frequently and are agile there, too

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paper oriole
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While Balaur could theoretically be fictionalized as a glider he seems kind of stout. I wanted zhenyuanlong as a glider a while back too but he had a similar issue.
Personally I'd be fine with a fictionalized Balaur, Shanag or Changyuraptor as long as it's done well

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outer condor
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Yea I want balaur as a glider but I would be fine with shanag

paper oriole
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Anything but Deinonychus tbh lol

outer condor
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Agreed

paper oriole
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These three are good candidates and aren't given much media attention

tawny juniper
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I don't think gliders would really work

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In a gameplay aspect

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If they have fast tree mobility nothing can really stop them

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And the gameplay would be boring af tbh

paper oriole
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Well theyre pretty fragile so they could get their asses beat during a hunt

tawny juniper
#

By what

paper oriole
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They'd probably be extra susceptible to fractures

tawny juniper
#

ig

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But still what

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Would make the gameplay exciting

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Is it just going to be gliding as the only fun thing to do

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You get an occasional hunt and glide

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And thats just the entire gameplay?

paper oriole
#

What's exciting about rex? You walk around and sometimes beat up a trike or para. And that's just the entire gameplay?

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The highly mobile and fast paced ambush hunter lifestyle isn't any less fun than playing as a carno or something it's all up to the personal preference of the player

tawny juniper
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Well I mean

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Theres a difference between

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Walking around the map and hunting as a large carnivore, And sitting in a tree as a small glider

paper oriole
#

Somebody might look at anky and think ā€œugh that's so boring you just walk around and eat grass and can't even runā€ but there's people who want that. There are large forests on Spiro and what ever other maps come, a glider can move quickly through the canopy and can risk traveling out in the open, Shanag has good running legs to escape most predators.
Deino just sits in the swamp waiting for things to drink but it's still coming, that's way less active

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You can be very active as a glider, it is very mobile and has a skill based ambush.

tawny juniper
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sure

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whatever

paper oriole
broken thorn
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Shanaq is cool but im afraid people won't play Herrera

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bEcOusE iT cAn'T gLiDe

noble pine
#

Unlocking finishers is a terrible idea, not because it wouldnā€™t work, but because every time a game does it they become a flaunt to other players, a sigh that ā€œlol Iā€™m better than you because I have this and you donā€™tā€. Unlocking things should only be for colors and skins.

arctic nimbus
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@fervent fable that would require different kill/death animations for all the 50 or more creatures we will have

lilac swallow
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Not for each playable

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For each killer-killed pair

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The Rex kills trike finished cant be the same as the Rex kills giga finisher

noble pine
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I donā€™t mind death/ kill animations, but I donā€™t agree with unlocking them, too many games do it, and theyā€™re not worth unlocking the majority of the time.

lilac swallow
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And most of the times the default is the best

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So, why unlock more if you already have the best one

fervent fable
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so I removed the unlocking finishers

noble pine
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Itā€™s also a case of, youā€™re now encouraging people to kill so they can use their new flashy animations

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2-3 per dino pair would be good

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You donā€™t want to only 1 for each because then it gets old, but you donā€™t want too many either

fervent fable
#

ok edited the suggestion

lilac swallow
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But i think 1 per Dino pair is already an absurdly high number of them
Is not that i dont like the idea but i dont think its realistically posible

noble pine
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Now, time to pay dondi 1k to add the spino neck snap

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It is, it would just take a long fucking time if they wait till everythingā€™s done then do it

urban flax
#

Even though, there are more important things to do once everything is done than adding kill animations (as cool as they can be)
And wouldn't it be much smoother and immersive for them to just play when you kill your target with the appropriate attack rather than having to press another button ?

fervent fable
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Guess it just works better with action single player games

civic sparrow
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@paper oriole yesssss I rlly want a glider, especially one that isnā€™t a literal piece of paper

crystal sage
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@willow zealot I would love that color pattern for something else, maybe not tenonto (my personal opinion). Maybe they could do it for something like Maia

willow zealot
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Ooo maia would be good

hybrid matrix
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or

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if for some reason ouranosaurus gets added (the thing that was in the picture), then it would be great on that

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but otherwise

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maia would be great with that color

tall oasis
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I really do hope they have custom patterns in the future.

ashen wasp
tall oasis
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well noice

swift dew
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btw this goes for everyone who want to propose a rex niche, because it seems not many people like an ambush hunter rex

mellow jewel
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Maybe if it was a small trike but I don't think that rex irl could kill a adult trike 90% of the time

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That just doesn't sound realistic to me

crystal sage
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Bro if you think a Rex had a 90% success rate going after trikes youā€™re insane. Trikes evolved specifically to hold their own against trex. It would be much more in favor of the trike, just like with a lot of predator hunts today. No LARGE land predator alive or dead has a 90% success rate that Iā€™m aware of

swift dew
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they have plenty of evidence of rexes killing trikes, but only a little bit of trikes actually managing to kill rexes

crystal sage
swift dew
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in the game a trike should beat a rex 60% of the time (this is a fight with no rocks, no trees, and perfectly flat ground)

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maybe even more

crystal sage
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A good predator doesnā€™t get killed during the hunt. They leave and try again

tawny juniper
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And things like rexes would have to be able to immediatly have an animation on dryo

swift dew
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anyway, my original qustion was if anyone wanted to propose a niche for rex

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other than the ambush hunter niche, because it seems that alot of people don't like that

tawny juniper
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Rex is too largely powerful of a hunter to really have a fair comparison to aything that would be around today

swift dew
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i mean a niche for the game

noble pine
paper oriole
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The grass is fine, but camera angles on some dinos could use a fix

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Tall grass is really helpful for small tiers to be viable of they dont have a shote cam angle

steady lintel
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@night sand if you canā€™t see you have to be purposely positioning ur camera a bad way, I will literally post multiple vids as the current biggest Dino in game traveling through the jungle fine

night sand
swift dew
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the only camera that needs to be changed is hypsi because you cant spit in the grass, also increasing the amount you could zoom out with hypsi would help in the plains but it isnt completely needed

steady lintel
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then request better camera positions

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if the height is the prob the why would it be jungle density

swift dew
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btw, if anything jungles are only getting denser, we have seen how well a rex can hide in isla spero jungles, sprio jungles are just forests with a little shrubbery

steady lintel
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imma try out teno in jungle tn and see if it even a prob

still raptor
brave rampart
steady lintel
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@night sand fresh baby teno walking in the jungle not once was I ever in a situation where i could not see at all... in fact I was mostly able to see my vicinity. anything bigger then me would most likely been easily spotted without it seeing me due to my smaller advantage. In the jungle there is piles of brush that would probably block my view but each time there was a way around it that was less dense, all i had to do was walk around...

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and if i did find my self in a dense part me utilizing camera zooms helped and i genuinely dont understand how you find yourself in situations where you cant see

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what you really want is legacy forests where you can usually look through one side and see out through the other, a forest with practically no flora šŸ˜

steady lintel
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@zealous violet its interesting but if im a mia and one of my eggs hatch and its like some baby carno or some other carni or a herb i simply dont want nothing is gunna stop me from killing it along with most players probs

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id suggest adding more details or features to make it viable

maiden anvil
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@willow zealot late comment but I think Maia or Magy could do real well with zebra skins

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Or zebra skins could be a customization option for the update 8

random imp
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It might be rude to say but if you are deaf, survival horror games ( or multiplayer survivals in general) aren't for you. And that's because other people who are not deaf can exploit this game function to have advantages over others.

night sand