#general-feedback-discussion

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dry osprey
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Cerato should have the advantage based on how the games balance is basing off of. Cerato wouldn't be able to escape the encounter, and it would be up to the Carno to disengage

swift dew
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yeah, 60/40 would probably be better

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maybe even 65/35

urban flax
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But Cerato can disengage with water

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And don't forget it's much smaller than Carno, a lot of people don't even think it should be able to compete

dry osprey
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Most dinos can, but Cerato is a land hunter

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And not to mention, Carno is a small game hunter

swift dew
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yeah, disengage from the carno and engage with a deino, because everybody is still going to be playing deino

urban flax
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Well that's another problem

dry osprey
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No. Cerato isn't small game

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Carno shouldn't be hunting Ceras unless in a pack of 2 or more.

urban flax
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True, but Cera having the upper hand against carno is just weird.

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50/50 is fine

dry osprey
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No its not? Why would you make something that can't outrun predators, weaker than predators

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That defeats the entire point of balance. Cera doesn't have the option to leave that encounter

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And no, Cera is not a semi-aquatic

urban flax
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Well Utah is both slower and weaker than carno
Dryo is slower and weaker than utah

dry osprey
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Utah can fight off Carno without insta dying

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Dyro and Hypsi are jokes

swift dew
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that is because carno is op and needs a turning/sliding nerf

dry osprey
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Carno does need its Nerf

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Again, Carno is a small game hunter

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Why are we trying to buff it to fight on-par with midtiers and take them down

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If we're buffing it to take on other mid-tiers and completely throwing away its entire Niche, it needs to be slow

barren zephyr
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Hey Piggy an Allo doesn't need to outrun a stego which Allo would definitley kill if it could

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especially with allo's clinging mechanic

dry osprey
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Also a mention, Utah is a small-tier pred. Carno hutning Utah is doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing

swift dew
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allo, is a regular mid tier that can outrun stego, stego is a pseudo apex which is way slower than allo, stego definitly has the upper hand

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in fact stego could be considered an apex because it has to be on par with rex because it is slower

barren zephyr
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Allo should still be on even terms with stego, and with Allosaurus' proposed mechanic it could

dry osprey
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Stego isn't an apex,

glad dirge
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^

dry osprey
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It was already brought up that Devs don't see it as such

pale bloom
swift dew
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bad carno, good utah

pale bloom
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You can outplay them on dense forest with the Utah agility

swift dew
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that is the carno fault, carno shouldnt be going into a forest

dry osprey
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Carno isn't OP. Its s small game hunter. Utah, Dyro, ect are small game. Utah can fight back, Dyro relies on dodging(Which isnt enough)

swift dew
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in the plains carno beats everything in the game

barren zephyr
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Uhm how?

dry osprey
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Utah is made for taking on large game in packs.

barren zephyr
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Either you are bad at the game or you don't know how to defend yourself

pale bloom
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a full pack Utahs took on 2 Carnos the last time I was on open plains

barren zephyr
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@dim umbra because they might be looking at Alberto I wouldn’t be surprised if they look at anky too

pale bloom
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Think only 1 Utah died

dry osprey
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However Carno shouldn't be turning on a dime in full sprint either

swift dew
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a full pack of utahs is extremely difficult to balance, they are balancing the game 1v1

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not full pack vs not full pack

dim umbra
pale bloom
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I mean right now I feel like Carno is on a pretty decent spot, just need to balance it while other dinos are joining the cast

dry osprey
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With pouncing, Utah is viable against Carno. But Carno has ways to counter this, with bucking or slamming Utah into the nearest tree

swift dew
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carno just needs its turn to be slowed

dry osprey
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It requires both players to be smart

pale bloom
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The direct counter of pounce right now it's trees/water, that's how I managed to kill 2 Utahs who pounced at me at once when I was Carno, even so they got me really bad on HP

swift dew
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because pouncing doesn't do very much outright damage anymore, and just bleed, it isnt a viable strategy against carno because you want to kill it asap

pale bloom
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About 15% left

dry osprey
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No, you don't. The isle isn't "Hold this button to win"

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You shouldn't be holding onto the Carno for the duration of all your stam

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Unless you have more Utahs

pale bloom
swift dew
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oh, i thought that they already changed it, my bad

dry osprey
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The pounce does Racking damage now, with the initial pounce itself not doing much.

pale bloom
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Nah, still hitting hard, 2 Utahs at once on a Carno who doesn't buck and its ded

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If you don't kill it straight way just few bites and should be donne

dry osprey
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Balanced isn't based on 2 v 1, its based on 1 v 1 so theres not much point in that

cyan flame
dry osprey
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Talking about the official plans to nerf it, my dude

cyan flame
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And how do you know that's what will happen?

dry osprey
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Because it was mentioned that Utah pounce was getting a nerf? :/

swift dew
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and carnos broken against stego with the tail biting, dryo because nothing dryo can do except hope the carno sucks. the only dinos that can do something is teno because that is a balanced fight, hypsi because it is small enough to get away, and utah, because of rocks

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that is two popular dinos that carno curbstomps

cyan flame
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Yes, but getting a nerf could be whatever, you're saying a specific thing is going to happen? Damage exchanged for bleed is one thing, but you're talking about something else?

swift dew
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and even hypsi dies alot of the time

dry osprey
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No Im not

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Do you think the initial pounce is going to stack like 30 bleed or something?

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That has to rack up

cyan flame
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Hm, maybe we mean different things

dry osprey
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I wouldn't call it a nerf if Utah pounced a dino an instantly delt insane bleed to it

glad dirge
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Bucking is gonna do a lot more now and be worth it, it was stated in the last devblog

brave rampart
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Both fighters should play smart

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Cera can gank the carno because it's a brute

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Carno can rely on baits to fight back, but carno can easily disengage if it wants.

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If the cera gets enough bites, the cera wins. But if the Carno manages to play smart and bait out its attacks, bite it and run off, then the carno can win

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But that requires both parties being smart to win against the other

urban flax
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@barren zephyr I'm not sure they want to show away their code like this. Maybe they're not even allowed to do it.

timber mesa
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@barren zephyr yeah no, if they did coding streams people would hack the game all over again, they would simply just steal it

barren zephyr
worn pumice
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Actually who wants coding streams lol

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Not the best entertainment imo

timber mesa
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Yeah I’ve tried coding, way more boring than map work

barren zephyr
worn pumice
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Good luck with that

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It’ll probably never be done

icy lion
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filipe has streamed in the past

barren zephyr
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coding streams would be cool to watch

dry osprey
brave rampart
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This is all hypothetical if the game was more balanced

dry osprey
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Utah baits out Stegos swings, uses the 4 second cooldown timer to get a headshot and move away

brave rampart
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Which, what you've just suggested, is unbalanced

dry osprey
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Thats not a hypothetical, its an actual strat people use but alright

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And its not unbalanced, theres a milion ways a smart stego can counter this, but aight

brave rampart
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allow me to elaborate more

The balance I was talking about is all hypothetical if the game was properly balanced

brave rampart
dry osprey
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If the Behemoth repeatedly swings its frontal attack ignoring its cool down and expecting 'press this button to win', its stupid

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The isle punishes players like this

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You cant do this to the sides of a Stego or behind it. The only reason this is abused is because most stegos expect to just fuckin nerf whatever is attacking it. What is unbalanced is attackiing the stegos thags to kill it

brave rampart
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That's the cooldown bruv, which throws off the balance. My point still stands on if the game was properly balanced. Lowering the cooldown would beef It up the balance statistics so much better.

dry osprey
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the cool down is 4 seconds

brave rampart
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^

dry osprey
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What you're asking is for Stego to swing repeatedly with no punishment and no strat or timing

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You can just spam it with zero consiquence.

brave rampart
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I didnt even say what the cooldown should be, but ok bruv

dry osprey
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If its literally anything shorter, your head would be untouchable

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Utah can barely pull this off. Carno can't

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Shortening it would literally make it untouchable

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No ones even talking about it right now

brave rampart
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"Untouchable"

Lowering it to 3.5 seconds won't make it untouchable lmao.

Carno isn't supposed to be hunting Stegos, unless they're smaller, either.

Utah is a pack hunter that relies on pouncing and soon, bleed, to take down bigger prey. Just bait the attacks and pounce the side. Atleast this buff will give it more of a chance against a pack of Utahs.

dry osprey
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Right, because spamming shouldn't be punished at all

cyan flame
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It should, via stamina drain if anything

dry osprey
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Stego doesn't drain stam like that

cyan flame
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You spam your attacks, you'll find yourself unable to attack at all soon enough, or at least that's how it should be

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I know, stego needs way more drain for it's swings

dry osprey
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Or at least its frontal swing needs to be punishing and not, spammable with no consiquence

cyan flame
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Should just be a proper swing, none of this weird jabbing variations. But a higher stamina drain would probably be good, might go for most critters really.

dry osprey
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It takes 19 headshots as a Utah to kill a stego anyway. If you're spamming without any care for that to happen 19 times its your fault

cyan flame
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No one said you should be able to just spam, but there are more than one way to punish that, that's all

dry osprey
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My point is, it doesn't need to be buffed

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He was arguing for it to be buffed

cyan flame
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Well the stego attack itself is pretty bad, it needs some rework, but that's another issue perhaps

worn pumice
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The actual attack itself doesn’t need a buff but rather changed or reworked

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Dmg numbers should probably be tweaked accordingly especially when apexes come in

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Since rn it can’t even one shot a carno in the head

pale bloom
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@dry osprey Dont even try to debate the Stego situation here, people just want easy click to kill without defensive strategy, no baiting or well placed attacks as it should be to make the game fun and bit of skill based which always is welcome in my opinion

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Again, sure fix all the bugs related to Stego tail because that's obviously a thing you can abuse

cyan flame
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There's more issues with it than just the tailbox thing, despite what you may think. And I haven't seen much about baiting, or going for locational hits or whatever you mean, so no idea what you're talking about.

languid cairn
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@supple heath No thank you.

Players should just remember what an Allo sounds like for any of its vocals.

kindred flare
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^ other wise its just letting you know when danger is nearby

barren zephyr
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they do this in minecraft. it literally wouldn't let you know when danger is nearby

kindred flare
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Yeah it does. Except in minecraft, you can easily evade your predators.

barren zephyr
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if you can't hear it very well in game then you won't be able to see it very well on screen

supple heath
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I see your points and I'm sorry for that shitty suggestion. This is almost my 3rd week and I guess I have yet to fully understand

barren zephyr
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it's not a shitty suggestion at all

supple heath
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I appreciate the feedback tho

barren zephyr
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you're right

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it's a great suggestion. especially for deaf people that can't use sound

kindred flare
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If you can hear it well in ga.e why would you need to know about it. You should be alert.

barren zephyr
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did you read the suggestion

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it's to tell you what kind of sound it is

kindred flare
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Learn the calls

barren zephyr
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no

kindred flare
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Its not hard

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Each dino has a very unique sound

barren zephyr
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don't care

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accessibility is more important than making the game like. > < this much harder

kindred flare
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Not harder

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At all

languid cairn
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Assuming there were deaf people, any system you come up with is going to be abused by Non Deaf People

barren zephyr
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people shouldn't have to learn how to play the game beyond figuring out combat

barren zephyr
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that literally wouldn't be abusable anyways

kindred flare
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Thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard

barren zephyr
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even if the sound was still on. because the quieter the sound is, the less transparent the text is

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nice rebut

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I'm very convinced

languid cairn
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Ok...now I can always see where there is sound

barren zephyr
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yes. just as you can always hear where there is sound, when the sound is on

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you're just trading one equally valuable sense for another

kindred flare
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Why would you even want that

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Just learn the calls it takes like 3 minutes

barren zephyr
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if this was already in the game you wouldn't be making these arguments

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no

kindred flare
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And you will learn it whilst playing

languid cairn
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I don't think you realize what I meant

barren zephyr
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because some people are deaf and can't play the game with sound

languid cairn
kindred flare
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So unless you dont play (which you wouldnt need the feature anyway)

languid cairn
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We want this Sound Subtitle to match the current Sound system-right?

barren zephyr
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but deaf people wanna play the game...? I truly don't understand your point

kindred flare
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Then you will learn them as you play

barren zephyr
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they want to play the game but they can't because it requires you to be able to hear. I have spoken to certain deaf isle fans about this

kindred flare
barren zephyr
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except. that. they already do

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it's just harder for them

kindred flare
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Exactly

languid cairn
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That means we have to make it so that those who're deaf can hear things behind them.

barren zephyr
languid cairn
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Meaning that a Pop Up of some kind is going to have to appear

barren zephyr
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if a carno is running up, because it's so fast, the text won't be bright enough until it's too close

kindred flare
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If your deaf you shouldnt be playing a survival game in the first place.

barren zephyr
kindred flare
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Its not going to cater to you justa cause you have a disadvantage

languid cairn
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If I'm not deaf-just smart-there's no way I'm not going to abuse this system which will automatically tell me if I'm in danger or give me an edge.

barren zephyr
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it absolutely could

barren zephyr
kindred flare
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No, a text saying how far and what it is will be abused in a multiplayer game

barren zephyr
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if a carno is running up on you, the text will increase in transparency, in the same way that volume would increase like normal sound does

kindred flare
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Then you should hear it. See it. Turn around. Dodge

barren zephyr
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you can't hear if you're deaf dumbass

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that's the point

still zinc
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@kindred flare just make it so once the sound is lound enougg it shows an arrow i the direction of the sound. No text just an arrow.

languid cairn
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There are many ways to interact with Regular Sound and greater margin of error.

barren zephyr
kindred flare
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No you cant

languid cairn
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It's not abuse, it's fair. It ask you to put forth your A Game

barren zephyr
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you can do the same thing with subtitles

languid cairn
barren zephyr
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you just need to think of a creative way of doing it

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well, as demonic said, you could just have an arrow pointing towards the direction of the sound

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increases with transparency in the same way

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multiple arrows maybe

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or, if you're still going with regular text, you could make them overlap so it's harder to discern

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again. minecraft does something similar

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creative problems require creative solutions

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it's worth it for the deaf people that can't play the game like we can

languid cairn
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You cannot Mistake an Arrow pointing towards the source of Sound.

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That's abuse

barren zephyr
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if the arrow or the text is transparent, yes you can

languid cairn
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No-you can't

barren zephyr
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if it fades in and out of visibility, just as actual sound does, yes you can

still zinc
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The only time i would say any text saying what it is should be seen is for a call. You should still have look to see what coming at you like everyone else.

languid cairn
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The fade will not matter

barren zephyr
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you can say the same thing about muffled growls

languid cairn
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It points me exactly were I need to focus and players will bee line in said direction

barren zephyr
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the muffling won't matter. because people know it's growling

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you mean... just like regular sound does

languid cairn
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You're playing a game were people develope Eagle Vision to spot threats and targets in bushes-They Will Noticed

barren zephyr
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I don't care

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accessibility is more important than making the game a centimeter more difficult

languid cairn
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Well that's unfortunate

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Accessibility isn't for everyone

barren zephyr
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that's literally what the point of accessibility is

languid cairn
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Not in this case

barren zephyr
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it's cool to exclude people because of their handicaps so you can feel good about yourself for playing a difficult game

still zinc
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@languid cairn your a dick man.

languid cairn
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Should we also make players Glow because some people are Color Blind?

languid cairn
barren zephyr
hybrid matrix
barren zephyr
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to be fair you are being really ignorant right now, I don't think it's out of line to say you're being a dick

still zinc
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Im not i was stating the obvious there are ways of making things accessible without making it exploitable.

barren zephyr
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you can't just be like "oh well, if you can't hear then I will make no effort to accommodate that" that is a pretty mean way of thinking about things

still zinc
barren zephyr
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like imagine if you were deaf and you wanted the devs to make it easier for you to play the game. and people just told you to buzz off because it doesn't matter

languid cairn
icy lion
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every single accessibility option can be "exploited" or "abused". that is NOT an acceptable reason to not have them

barren zephyr
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^ thank you superlunary

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not anymore exploited than our usual 5 senses are anyway

still zinc
languid cairn
barren zephyr
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maybe if you don't value other ppl's experiences

hybrid matrix
icy lion
barren zephyr
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analogically

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like it's literally not hurting your experience by making it easier for other people. at all

icy lion
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in fact we've made systems to help with people with limited or no hand use, such as voice-to-text and eye tracking

barren zephyr
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^

languid cairn
barren zephyr
hybrid matrix
barren zephyr
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not be able to tell whether someone is threatening you or friendly calling you?

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you're not being very considerate lol

languid cairn
barren zephyr
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not be able to tell that there's a broadcasting stego around TI_Facepalm

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IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT WAY LMAO

ashen wasp
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I'm confused. What's wrong with accessibility options, exactly??

still zinc
icy lion
barren zephyr
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it'll make the game less hard TI_Wheeze

ashen wasp
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How would it be abused??

languid cairn
icy lion
barren zephyr
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they could even make it so that it's subtitles on/sound off, and that would solve that problem

icy lion
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as i said earlier, potential to abuse should not be a reason to avoid accessibility options

barren zephyr
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not that I think it's a problem anyway. if the subtitles are done subtley (aha) they won't give anyone an edge over anyone else, they'll just make it easier to make sense of your surroundings

icy lion
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even colorblind options can be "abused" by those with full color vision

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yet nearly every game has them

severe idol
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RG colorblindness ftw. You blue fucks will never hide agian.

icy lion
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note i always put "abused" in quotations because its not like youll be able to tell if someone using an accessibility option genuinely needs it without being invasive

languid cairn
paper geyser
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Yeah honestly the potential “abuse” does not outweigh the benefits to those who actually need it

ashen wasp
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Yeah, huh, I guess it doesn't seem like an issue to me. If something significant is in earshot, then have a subtitle pop up for it, for those who have the feature enabled. No reason not to verify something if it'd already be recognizable to players that can hear.

If players who don't need the option think it's too easy, then they don't have to enable it??

icy lion
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lydia said there could also be a fade-in system where quieter or further sounds have more transparent subtitles, or the arrows or directions dont have to be perfect, etc. theres ways to add accessibility that doesnt make the game """"easy""""

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and even if it does, whats the big deal? theres people that genuinely need this stuff

barren zephyr
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there are a good few people that need it

icy lion
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how would you even know if someone youre up against is using it? would you really be able to tell

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i doubt you would

barren zephyr
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yep

ashen wasp
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I mean sure?? I guess????? It just seems unnecessary, and doesn't really provide any significant BENEFIT for those who don't need it. I think subtitles are a great idea

barren zephyr
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and should be implemented in the near future

ashen wasp
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Shoot, they'd fit right into Update 4, if the components aren't moved around too much

barren zephyr
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I mean it's a UI update

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I wouldn't see why not

languid cairn
icy lion
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i cant convince you that empathy is a virtue

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thats something you gotta do yourself

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the supposed potential to "abuse" a system that helps others is not a reason to avoid said systems

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plus? will they always know youre around? they dont have to. depends on how the subtitles are set up

barren zephyr
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^

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and if you think you have a problem with subtitles
Just put your volume up to the max shrug

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you'll hear more. Doesn't mean you'll be benefited. But you'll hear if something is coming up to yah

languid cairn
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This is not an argument of empathy. If you want me to say I feel bad for others-sure.
But I would like to avoid certain things that could ruin the experience.

ashen wasp
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Limited radii for less-significant noises or more ambiguity for things like footprints and ambient sounds can help with preserving an element of mystery or horror in subtitles, but again, it seems unnecessary.

icy lion
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and i dont see how this isnt an empathy issue, or how it could "ruin the experience"

barren zephyr
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this isn't a case of making you feel empathy

languid cairn
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He brought it up, so I addressed it

barren zephyr
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the subtitles don't need to tell you what is coming

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just that something is coming

languid cairn
edgy harbor
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This is for people who are deaf. It has to be descriptive.

dry osprey
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Its always good to come back to 100+ Messages with people explaining how deaf people shouldn't play games

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Community never ceases to amaze me

edgy harbor
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If you hear a sound in game, 99% of the time you know what it is anyways.

barren zephyr
edgy harbor
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May as well say what it is, and what type of call.

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^ That descriptive.

barren zephyr
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ah

edgy harbor
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Because if you can hear it, you'd know anyways.

hybrid matrix
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Just wanna point out that in grps, deaf ppl can rely on their grp members, but that only works for groups

barren zephyr
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true

dry osprey
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People should be able to play the game without relying on the assitence of others

barren zephyr
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^

barren zephyr
hybrid matrix
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Yeah i kno, but for now they can rely on others to "hear" for them

barren zephyr
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currently, they can

hybrid matrix
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But once subtitles are added they shouldn't have to

languid cairn
# barren zephyr well mimicry

I know it's coming to game. What I'm saying is that if you allow the Subtitles to occasionally report a sound that isn't there, I could work with that.

cyan flame
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I would want the system to actually demand a bit of learning the sounds, instead of just being told that there is a sound in some direction.

dry osprey
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Why would you want the system to be harder for deaf people to use

worn pumice
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cant wait for the new UI

hybrid matrix
barren zephyr
edgy harbor
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Being deaf is already demanding.

barren zephyr
worn pumice
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low key tho id take it over ptera

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deino is too cool tho gotta get deino

dry osprey
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"Youre deaf, so we're going to purposely make the game harder for you despite the subtitles." Yeah no sounds, great everyone

languid cairn
worn pumice
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just learn the sounds of the dinosaurs sounds tedious but its cool to just learn it

barren zephyr
languid cairn
worn pumice
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ah for deaf people aye

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what can u do for deaf people?

dry osprey
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Subtitles, but apparently being Deaf and being at a disadvantage isnt enough so we want them to see fake subtitles

worn pumice
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sound is so important in life cant imagine being deaf honestly

barren zephyr
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lol

languid cairn
dry osprey
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Can yall just say you hate disabled people and dont want them to be on the same level as you and move on?

worn pumice
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lol fake subtitles

cyan flame
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@hybrid matrix Audio patterns is what I'm thinking. Where every call has a certain pattern, just like you learn by audio what makes what sound, you'd learn to recognize the pattern and be "Oh yeah, that's a X". Combined with transparency for how near/far the sound is, from "barely visible" to "Oh shit it's right next to me". Maybe "size" of the pattern for the size of the animal, as in growth of it. And then for the directions of where the pattern shows up for where it comes from in general. Could do something similar for stomps, hell, with this being JP inspired, add the "water ripple" effect in the corners of the screen for direction, and some principe for how visible depending on how near it is.

dry osprey
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Audio patterns or vibration patterns would be good

languid cairn
barren zephyr
dry osprey
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Elaborate

cyan flame
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Instead of just arrows or whatever, I would think it would be more fun if you'd have to learn what makes what call, in some manner. Should be more fun for the player too, being good at reading the pattern, recognizing certain "spikes" in it, and go "Oh yeah, trust me guys, we don't wanna go that way, that's a rex over there".

languid cairn
dry osprey
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Tell a blind person who relies on bass boosted headphones how much they dont understand disabled people and how abuseable it is

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Id love to hear it

cyan flame
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@languid cairn Google audio pattern. You'd have a set "pattern" for every call, with size and visibiltiy as the added markers for you to figure out, and ripples or something for walking noise, because JP obviously.

languid cairn
icy lion
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its not a mechanic, its an accessibility option

languid cairn
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Brb.

dry osprey
ashen wasp
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I don’t think it would upend the game. And honestly, even if it would make things marginally easier for players in certain situations, I’d still see subtitles as a net benefit for the sake of accessibility. More people deserve the chance to play this game

languid cairn
dry osprey
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Easy fix

icy lion
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even then, thats not a reason to avoid accessibility options

dry osprey
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If I can hear a Carno 10 ft in front of me whats any different than subtitles telling me theres a carno in front of me roaring

cyan flame
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So make it something along what I suggested.@languid cairn That would still demand you learn it all, and would still not give you much more info, or better info, but it would give you far more info than not hearing anything and not having any other option.

languid cairn
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@cyan flame Congrats. I'm sold

dry osprey
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If I can hear a rex screaming behind me, why is it suddenly broken that it says rex is screaming behind me

brave rampart
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I mean, this is not really abuseable since you'll memorize the calls indefinitely, honestly

cyan flame
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@dry osprey Learn the pattern, learn the sound. That's pretty much what I'm asking for. Subtitles seems a bit odd, but getting something that you can see and go "I know this thing" just like you can know an area by something should do just fine.

dry osprey
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I already said thats fine

languid cairn
cyan flame
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Ah, alright.

brave rampart
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As long as it doesn't go "Footstep sounds behind you"

dry osprey
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Im saying we shouldnt make it purposely more difficult for them

languid cairn
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Something like that, right?

dry osprey
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Like giving them false subtitles or false vibrations

cyan flame
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Like so. You'd see something like that, and you could listen to the call/see this by practice in sandbox or something, so you could learn that "this pattern/wave is this critter, at this age".

languid cairn
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Gonna be honest, I like funny circle better.

brave rampart
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But, seeing subtitles that tell you what dinosaur is calling can't really be abused to the extreme. Sure, people can use it to figure out which dinosaur is calling, but as long as it doesn't have "Footstep sounds" even when its quiet, its fine.

cyan flame
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Fair enough, but you'd need something with variations so you could learn it.

languid cairn
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Sure sure.

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It could work like Radar. That whenever you 'hear' a sound, a miniature circle expands from the center and fades. As it reaches the end of its life span-though-parts of it falls off while others continue.

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Creating a unique shape that you have to discern.

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I like this because any sound can trigger it.

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You could mistake an Allo for a Taco

swift dew
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i completely agree, there should be something to support deaf people, my only concern would be people who arent deaf will abuse it and use it to pinpoint locations of other players better than they could with regular sounds

ashen wasp
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“Large footsteps >” tells a player more or less what they’d glean from hearing a Giga trotting to their right. Furthermore, were the Giga crouching, the player would have to be much closer for the message to appear, allowing for ambushes. Lastly, it doesn’t give you any extra information on species or condition.

barren zephyr
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They should also make some sort of indicator how far it is, or how close it is with like transparency.

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Something like that.

brave rampart
barren zephyr
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@kindred flare What's with the shut emote?

kindred flare
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Deaf friendly will just be abused

paper oriole
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a deaf option might work if it also mutes the game so people dont just play it with sound and indicators. but perhaps sounds need to be 'learned' before it gives the indication of what is making them too, otherwise it could just be frequencies hinting at something large, small, close or far

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like you'd need to have a utahraptor making noise in your view range before the game tells you in the future that a utah is barking in the distance

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might make it less abuseable but idk

still zinc
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And even if it did get slighlty abused would be more then worth implementing.

paper oriole
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even if some people abuse it, it still isnt as good as hearing and judging for yourself where something is with a good surroundsound or head set

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so idk why people would abuse it, some people might turn it on so they can mute their game and listen to music but that's on them

sweet scarab
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@idle comet I liked the fruit ideas. Btw, corn is a grain, considered a vegetable, which is a culinary term but fruits are classified separately then this. I was gonna add some suggestions for fruit like China berries since I have a few trees that grow them year round. Only few creatures should eat them since the berries are toxic and can be deadly in large amounts. Despite that cows are unaffected, from what I learned, so some dinosaurs could eat them safely. Also, sorry if you didn't want to get pinged, I'll not do it again if you don't want me to

idle comet
sweet scarab
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I thought the kernels themselves were the seeds

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Like, kinda how pinecones grow. The seeds are mostly on the outside so they fall off and get blown away easier

light carbon
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deaf mode has to mute the game 100% otherwise just dont bother adding it at all

sweet scarab
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Oh wait, nvm. I just looked it up

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Currently having a mental breakdown over this

light carbon
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@willow zealot that mf huge tho

barren zephyr
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Deaf option should definitely mute the game so it couldn't be abused, I like that.

fickle oar
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I really like the patterns for deaf accessibility idea. A bolder pattern means closer while faint means farther. Different shape in pattern is the creature type. Maybe even color code? So like 1 is white, 2 is green, 3 is red, 4 is yellow. The direction the pattern comes from is the direction of the sound on like a ui at the edges of your screen.

ashen wasp
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oh the strain foliage is terrifying

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yes that is a Hyper Spino in the corner for scale

light carbon
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not even a regular?

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hypo spino is huge

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lil more and almost like the legacy pue

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@ashen wasp

ashen wasp
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yep, that's Hyper Spoon

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and an itty bitty human there too

light carbon
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well then this tree or whatever it is will be seen from any point of the map

fickle oar
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I like the tree but maybe we have it like half that size XD

light carbon
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^

fickle oar
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Does the sky map limit even reach that high? XD

light carbon
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also lemme ask, what resolution is that pic exactly? like 16k? TI_LUL

ashen wasp
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all the strain foliage is horrifying, if not in scale then in aesthetic

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fickle oar
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I love the aesthetic, just think it needs to scale to about redwood size

light carbon
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are these official concepts?

ashen wasp
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yes!! this most recent one was also, i believe, our first look at Compsognathus

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way down there in the bottom right

fickle oar
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Nice

haughty cliff
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lol for those who haven't seen a hyper spoon--when they're in v3 docks, they're taller than the warehouse buildings. that's terrifying

maiden anvil
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No no no, a minigun would make humans god like op and you know it @barren zephyr

cobalt compass
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perhaps @barren zephyr meant miniguns for Utahs, or ptera? Who knews?

barren zephyr
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democration

paper oriole
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Attach a minigun to titanoboa's tail like that snake from Rango

cobalt compass
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you'd need to be a bit more explanatory about "add miniguns" and "democation"

maiden anvil
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^ pretty much

urban flax
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At this point it justs sounds like a troll

maiden anvil
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@paper oriole I like your trike better ngl

paper oriole
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Ty TI_H

lilac swallow
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i woudl love that trike

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but im afraid nthem touching trike model would be another rhino anky case

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i really dont want buffalo trike with elephant legs

maiden anvil
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I would mind it^

paper oriole
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Ugh yeah lol rhino trike would be a nightmare

maiden anvil
paper oriole
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I wanna see trike and diablo touched up but im kinda afraid, but they did do a nice job on kentro and proto

maiden anvil
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This is what the devs are saying

paper oriole
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Idc if its on point but rhino trike is just ugly imo ive seen trikes drawn like that

maiden anvil
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Yeah I can see that

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But your model is great tho

paper oriole
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And id rather them st least chsnge the species name of things they drastically change, like anky and spino

lilac swallow
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yet carno, stego and allo are perfectly accurate, and when did the accuracy shit start, because i didnt mention accuracy

paper oriole
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Like instead of spinosaurus aegypticus it could be spinosaurus (something else i dunno)

maiden anvil
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Spinosaurus zilla?

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Lol

paper oriole
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Spinosaurus rex TI_Troll

maiden anvil
paper oriole
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Utahraptor dondii

lilac swallow
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spino still hurts, why would i want a third generic apex carni when it could have had an unique niche?, the concept art was perfect TI_Succ

paper oriole
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Ugh ikr we already have at least 2 terrestrial apexes why do we need a third who is now gonna be mediocre on land and water instead of great in water

maiden anvil
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I bet spino will be something like a small Godzilla. Really slow and would mainly eat fish

paper oriole
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Ripperoni

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He doesnt look like a fisher even anymore, poor speen

lilac swallow
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is funny, because its supposed mentined role of defensive that can fish fits the concept art better than the actual model, the model just screams " im gonna wreck trikes and rexes left and right"

barren zephyr
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Spino is gonna be at tanky apex who is able to take more hits for less damage, he probably will be able to out trot a Rex but not a giga, plus he can escape to the water if needed so in theory spino is technically the best option

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Basically here are the three apex’s carnis

Rex: high damage for slowness, more patience when hunting and ambushing

Giga: less damage than Rex but able to walk faster and hunt down prey easily.

Spino: tanky but low damage, lives on both land and water, eats fish and meat, can use water as a escape. Will be faster than Rex but slower than giga if walking

maiden anvil
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Oh no no no, spino should not be faster then Rex. Spino is not meant to be fast and doesn’t need speed either. And also have you seen Rex trot? It’s not slow actually

lilac swallow
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spino is said to be slow

maiden anvil
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Exactly

lilac swallow
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by the devs themsleves

maiden anvil
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As spino is a fisher. There is no need for it to be a hunter. If there is no need to be a hunter there is no need to be fast. If it has the water as an escape option it doesn’t need speed to run away.

barren zephyr
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Oh true spino should be slower than Rex

maiden anvil
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Nice, then we have an agreement:D

fickle oar
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Who should be faster in the water the deino or the spino? :o

maiden anvil
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I bet deino

urban flax
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I think spino should be faster for balance reasons, but realistically deino would probably be faster

maiden anvil
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How is that balance acting?

fickle oar
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Hmmm spino faster than deino on land but deino faster than spino in water ?

maiden anvil
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^

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Exactly the way I was thinking

urban flax
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Deino is so huge, it's an even match for spino
But devs said spino is supposed to beat the shit out of deino, so it wille have to be faster

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But that's just an assumption

fickle oar
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Hmm beating the shit out of it doesn't necessarily mean speed

maiden anvil
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Hmmm then deino should be faster the spino in water

fickle oar
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A trex will wreck a carno

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But the carno outruns the rex

maiden anvil
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Good example

urban flax
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Yeah but there's a major size difference

maiden anvil
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Spino is bigger then deino

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I think

urban flax
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Not by a lot

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Deino is the same size as rex

maiden anvil
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Damn...

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But spino has them claws

urban flax
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I doubt it can use them effectively in water

maiden anvil
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Well I still bet spino would win against a deino

urban flax
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I hope it will

maiden anvil
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That’s true tho

urban flax
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What I really want for spino is to give it a paddle tail so it can slap its enemies to death

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ofc the original design would be the best choice, but I understand devs probably don't want to redo their model from scratch

fickle oar
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It's probably one of those things where a deino paying attention could escape a spino, but head v head would not be able to win most fights. Maybe if it got a good lunge grab on it first to initiate but even then, if spino is tanky...

worn pumice
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dondi already said he wants spino to be the strongest thing in the water so

fickle oar
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So yeah spino would out brute a deino

maiden anvil
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Hey btw. You know how hippos walks on the ground in water? That’s is pretty fast so maybe spino is more effective when on water running

fickle oar
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Oooh

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I wonder if land dinos will be able to swim or if it's still gonna be surface only lol. Guessing they'll just float up like after a dive in the deep if they manage to survive

worn pumice
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only semi aquatics will be able to dive

fickle oar
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Ah alright

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I'm just excited to see fish xD

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Guess I'll have to deino it up then hehe

worn pumice
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ha well i hope they add hostile fish

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maybe a shark

fickle oar
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Aren't the elites gonna fight back ?

worn pumice
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or an alligator gar

urban flax
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There could be aggressive fish among elite fish

fickle oar
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Or are they just faster

worn pumice
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they have a muskie

maiden anvil
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Catfish could be an agro fish

worn pumice
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that should act like a predator

maiden anvil
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Exactly

fickle oar
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I can't wait to be a deino hatchling when nesting comes out. The little chirps baby gators make are great <3

maiden anvil
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They are really cute indeed

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Hope they can carry their young like irl crocs

fickle oar
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Don't think they're allowing baby carrying cause of player abuse :/

urban flax
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I don't think anything in the game will be able to carry their young

fickle oar
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It's confirmed no grabbing players as a pteradon but we grab fish right?

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Kinda confused why it couldn't be like when a full carno snatches up a baby in its mouth as a carcass lol

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Pteradon just swoops down and yeets a baby XD

worn pumice
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a ptera can still kill pick up items with its mouth

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just not with its feet

urban flax
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You can grab what's dead

fickle oar
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Ahh ok

urban flax
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For example when a carno bites a hypsi, it automatically snatches it and can swallow it later

worn pumice
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if it wasnt bugged it would be cool

urban flax
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@limpid forge You realise that

  1. Deinosuchus IS a big crocodile
  2. All crocodiles lift their bodies when their stand, but they can still deathroll because they CAN rest on their bellies
limpid forge
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Look it up mate, a deinosuchus can not do a deathroll

worn pumice
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a deino is technically more incline with alligators

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but i dont see the issue on why it cant death roll

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its just a cool eating animation

urban flax
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I haven't seen a real deinosuchus ever, so I can't really tell
But I don't see either why it couldn't deathroll

lilac swallow
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look, i like accuracy as much as most paleonerds, but there is a point when it becomes just nitpicking, asking for spino to look more like a spino is one thing, but asking deino to not deathroll is another

limpid forge
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for a croc yes, but a deino can't because of its body structure , crocs and alligators can as they are mostly( i know alligators also walk on all 4 without touching the ground) close to the ground, a deinosuchus was able to run aswell,

worn pumice
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not to be mean or anything but like no one cares lol

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its just a cool animation

limpid forge
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true it is a cool animation, but did the devs not say that they want their dino's to be accurate?

worn pumice
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no

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they only said they want their sizes to representate the real life counterparts

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which so far is what is going on

limpid forge
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aaah soo if realism is out of the question, why not make the dino's pink?

worn pumice
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?

urban flax
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Because that would be a very bad design choice that wouldn't fit the asethetic of the game at all

worn pumice
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color options and an animation for deino have nothing in common

urban flax
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You know realism is out of the window
Look at anky, minmi, utah, carno, spino, tenonto, troodon, dilo, bary
Not even talking about the strains

limpid forge
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its the same thing, if you gonna make a deino make a deino, but don't make a croc and say its a deino, thats just stupid

urban flax
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If deino was 5 meters long max, then I would agree to say it's just a croc and that's stupid
But it isn't so it's fine

limpid forge
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But it is!! it has no features of a deino. its just a plain croc!

worn pumice
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no point in nitpicking about deino

urban flax
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What are the features of deino that makes it something else than a plain croc then ?

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Apart from the fact it can't deathroll ?

limpid forge
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no point in anything anyway, its not like the devs actually listen

paper geyser
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deino is literally an 11m alligator, there's not much you can do with it

worn pumice
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in simple terms alligators/crocs have barley changed if at all

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for years

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theres nothing u can rly change

urban flax
worn pumice
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ye

paper geyser
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literally 250my of unchanged bodyplan other than size. There's nothing to be improved for our deino

hybrid matrix
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yeah its like with scorpions or tardigrades TI_Troll

urban flax
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or sharks

lilac swallow
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or horseshoe crabs

barren zephyr
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I mean Crocs have changed some throughout the years, but Deino isnt much too different than our crocs

hybrid matrix
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or jellyfish

paper geyser
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@quartz wadi dryo ai is hyper aggressive right now, they're working on fixing it

lilac swallow
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dryo ai attacking adult stegos moment

barren zephyr
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Dryos are cannibals

urban flax
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they hate everything
They got fed up of their uselessness

fickle oar
jade schooner
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Sorry, I’m late

paper geyser
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elephant trike

swift dew
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how does a deino walking up on its legs rather than draging itself make it unable to death roll? i walk upright on my legs but that doesn't stop me from dropping down on my stomach and spin around.

odd sedge
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Who cares if it's inaccurate or not.
Don't tell me you don't want an amazing deathroll croc

barren zephyr
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@sacred minnow TI_Troll

sacred minnow
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@barren zephyr TI_DangerRex

dry osprey
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Ah yes, the isle, my favorite realistic dino game. Featuring: Rhino Anky, Godzilla lite, and my personal favorite- Eyeless monster humans

odd sedge
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Naked Utah's and feathered hypsis

dry osprey
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How would we feel if Meg was also given a poision, but one that either only drains stam?

barren zephyr
dry osprey
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yes that, was the point of what I was saying

barren zephyr
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no one cares about the "realism"

dry osprey
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its not realistic

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Well thank you for rehashing the entire point of my post for, some unknown reason, back to what I was saying

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Big lizard gets stam draining poison ?

hybrid matrix
dry osprey
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Oh?

hybrid matrix
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yeah
blood thinner

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it would make fighting a megalania, "interesting" if u catch mah drift

dry osprey
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Might be better than stam actually

hybrid matrix
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yeah

dry osprey
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If Mega will be anything like its modern day counterpart, its going to be slow and have to rely on ticking down its prey

hybrid matrix
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i'd like to see something that can make bleed dangerous

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well

dry osprey
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Blood thinner would help a lot with that instead of stam draining to catch up

hybrid matrix
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more dangerous than it currently is

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slow it down by forcing it to wallow constantly instead of snatching its stamina

dry osprey
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high bleed will snatch its stam anyway

hybrid matrix
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yeah

dry osprey
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allowing for big slow lizard to gradually catch up

hybrid matrix
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i saw a suggestion for different venom types a while back and i thought it was rlly good

dry osprey
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I thought we already have different venom types?

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Given Dilo and Trood do two different things

hybrid matrix
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this was the suggestion

dry osprey
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They have a point about Dilo and Trood

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That kind of venom does suite Dilo better

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Ah but, only if Troodon doesn't get Mimicry then. Since that does feel like too much

warm flame
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@limpid forge crocodiles can death roll on ground too if that's what you meant

maiden anvil
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Sorry for being late to the discussion but...

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This is no realism game, it’s a fantasy game

random imp
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lol yhea, just now i noticed how strabic the carno looks

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i haven't got much time to playTI_Succ

vale pawn
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a realistic fantasy game TI_Troll

paper geyser
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i wouldn't call this a fantasy game by any means lol

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it's sci-fi, which is why we don't have flying wingless dragons

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and why things still adhere to laws of physics for the most part

swift dew
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fantasy is just imagining things that are impossible or improbable, the isle is definitly fantasy though it is also sci-fi

paper geyser
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i'd say there's quite a big gap between sci-fi and fantasy, and TI definitely sits in the sci-fi category

ashen wasp
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LOVE that perk idea— demanding a certain behavior from the player (more-often returning to water) to retain the perk (added camouflage). It’s interactive, engaging, and interesting!!

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(Also, I couldn’t actually find any evidence against Deinosuchus successfully performing a death roll to dispatch prey or feed— rather, I believe a 2014 study found the forces of a death roll to possibly be beyond what SARCOsuchus’s skull could handle, but Deinosuchus and Purussaurus had robust-enough skulls to withstand it.)

At the end of the day, accuracy comes second to artistic vision, where The Isle is concerned (e.g. Ankylosaurus, Spinosaurus, Utahraptor, etc). But Deinosuchus appears to be closer to what we know of the alligatoroid than many of the rest of TI’s roster can say for themselves.

swift dew
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if that doesnt come as a perk, then it should be on the elder minmi

fervent fable
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@sacred minnow I don't appreciate that Asmr but
maybe crunch sounds would be cool

sudden hinge
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@trail mesa great giga concept dude! I dig that it actually works really well for giga to be the bleeder

trail mesa
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Thanks, kinda blended some ideas with some old suggestions

sudden hinge
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It came out great homie!

silver blaze
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@trail mesa i think thats more mapusaurus and not giga. gigas teeth were desgined to create massive bleeding by slashing through the preys flesh so i dont think it would have an ability like that

swift dew
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since when does the isle care about what the real animal was designed for? its cool and could fit the niche really well, if balanced correctly

brave rampart
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Top is giga, bottom is Mapu

They seem to have the same serrated teeth :thinking:

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Either way, I think Giga could slice chunks off of creatures

swift dew
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is mapu even coming do this game?

trail mesa
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No

swift dew
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that is what i thought

trail mesa
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Also mapu and giga are very similar and would both be capable of something akin to ripping flesh from body

swift dew
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technically you could give a rex this ability, because im sure it could rip a large chunk of an animal out if it wanted to, but that would't fit its intended niche in the game

swift dew
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@cedar juniper while i do agree that the game is kinda dying, it isnt the devs fault, its our fault. We are complaining about how "slow" the games progress is going but infact it is going quite well. Good games are in development for many years. Its just most of the time nothing is anounced about the game untill a couple months before its release. This is an early access game, meaning we will be there for the entire development process. EVRIMA was released almost a year ago in a BETA. This game still has plenty of time to prove itself, we just have to give it a chance.

cedar juniper
swift dew
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i hope i am too, though another programmer would help a ton

brave rampart
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Afaik they're planning on hiring a new animator

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And it seems so far that the most cumbersome thing is making animations for things like deino, Ptera, etc.

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Cause every, EVERY dino needs animations for being lunged at so

toxic mantle
# swift dew <@!298561776432185351> while i do agree that the game is kinda dying, it isnt th...

It is not, in the slightest our fault. The devs have constantly shown to have not the best organizational skills and not fully expecting what they're getting into. Apparently they're making a new roadmap, they're adding humans, another playstyle that will gum up time, and they are constantly spreading conflicting info with one another. One dev says this, another dev says the exact opposite.

swift dew
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Humans have been planed forever, and a roadmap is supposed to change, you better be grateful that your getting a roadmap at all because they could have gone and left us in the dark and we would still be complaining as much as we are right now

thorn glacier
paper oriole
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Upvoting ur own suggestion TI_Yikes

hoary ocean
toxic mantle
# swift dew Humans have been planed forever, and a roadmap is supposed to change, you better...

Humans have been the plan for a long time yes, However the original plan was to finish the dinosaurs before touching humans. And now all of a sudden they're wanting to rush out another new game mode. Thus leading for more complications in the future. And I am grateful for the Roadmap, I truly am. However it's not much of a roadmap if it gets changed constantly. This would be the third iteration. And don't shove every ounce of constructive criticism as conplaining I want this game to be great, however I'm going to call out stuff I find dumb. If you want to feel guilty for something that isn't your fault then go ahead. But the fanbase has nothing to be guilty for. Especially how the devs have shown they can decide what feedback they follow through with and what feedback they ignore.

barren zephyr
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Well said

swift dew
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to be fair, three interations of a roadmap over the course of a year is not too many changes. I dont think humans would be too hard (im not a game developer so im not sure) but I do think humans are on the easier side of the list. So getting out humans early may not be a bad idea. I was only partially wrong though, the only place I am wrong is where I said that it is not the devs fault. It is still our fault too. While communication is not the devs forte, we also complain, and yes I mean complain, about things we really shouldn't. Everything else I said stands

crude girder
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I mean how many games have playable dinosaurs/creatures similar to dinosaurs in an open world survival context?

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Most of the hard work for the devs is coming up with things that haven't been tried before, there are so many human games that all the R&D has basically already been done

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R&D means research and development for anyone curious

thorn glacier
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Hey, @paper oriole, can I ask what the TI_Unamused was about on my suggestion thingy

steady lintel
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They are unamused

thorn glacier
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I mean yeah

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but like come on, all I said was "hey mods, don't let people be ableist"

barren zephyr
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I have my own opinions on that matter which I will not state here.

thorn glacier
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I mean honestly I don't think your opinion gets to overpower someone who actually has to deal with it

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like my dude you have no idea

barren zephyr
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I'm entitled to my own opinions.

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Nor did I say I would overpower someone.

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For all you know I could be disabled too, I wouldn't judge so fast.

thorn glacier
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I mean anyone who was would likely just state their opinion on the matter just to be clear, so if you are it's definitely your place. But like otherwise I don't know that I'd go forming an opinion on an issue that I have no part in. It just doesn't seem fair to the people that are actually effected.

steady lintel
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Anyways... the rules state to inform a mod @thorn glacier if a slur like that is used against you mods prob can’t always be on top of things like that all the time it’s a huge discord

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Like 2n we have 2 senior admins on and 1 discord mod the other is on do not disturb

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Prob not a lot of resources available all the time

barren zephyr
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I understand what you mean, and I respect that. However I just feel stating my opinion here would likely spark an argument. Which is why I simply don't want to state it here. I do heavily know where you're coming from, and again, I respect that.

thorn glacier
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That's true, it's just I've seen cases of mods seeing stuff and letting it slide or devs or mods even kinda participating in that whole dealio and yeah
All I'm doing is stating that we shouldn't let it slide when its seen, obviously the mods aren't going to see everything and that's cool

steady lintel
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this discord is far from politically correct and that said so is the company

thorn glacier
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Oh I'm aware, I'm not talking about politics at all
I'm just talking about not actively participating in the degradation of minorities\

steady lintel
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Politically correct as in like oh we can’t say this certain word Bc it may hurt someone

thorn glacier
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because it's never appropriate and sucks to be on the receiving end of, plus, yknow, as i said ive seen homophobia and racism removed, if you're going to call out one, call out the other

steady lintel
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Like with what they have shown in the past they prob don’t care

thorn glacier
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I mean yeah which is why I said something, maybe if they know theres people out there that are affected by it they may. Or maybe they won't. Worth a shot either way.

barren zephyr
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They may also not consider it much of a problem due to how common it is, which is a problem in itself.

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I can't speak for anybody though. I can just assume.

thorn glacier
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That's probably what it is tbh, but it's not really an excuse anyway. I just figured I'd put something down kind of putting in the input as someone who's pretty fed up with it being tolerated, hoping that someone would see it and maybe care. I can deal with it, I'm not just going to splinter into a million pieces because someone says a rude word or something, but I'm still not going to be happy about it especially after dealing with it for my whole life. Again, if the mods care, they care. If they don't, no harm done.

barren zephyr
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I understand that.

sacred minnow
paper oriole
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Add scalie suits so humans can try to fit in with a herd and then get trampled to death

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lol RIP

noble pine
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Anyway, before I was muted

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Is the word actually a slur?

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I’ve never seen it classed as such until right now.

icy lion
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the r word? generally it is, especially by those who are the targets

noble pine
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But what makes it any different from calling someone stupid, ignorant, idiotic or dumb?

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I’m just curious btw, not trying to be an asshole

icy lion
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all good, generally its just considered more severe, especially since it was used as an improper medical diagnosis until relatively recently

noble pine
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Oh-

icy lion
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understanding of mental health and disabilities has grown really quickly over the past few decades

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in the early-to-mid 1900s it was pretty common to just lump any sort of mental difference or disability together (ie the classic old mental hospital) and call it a day

steady lintel
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Aren’t all insults technically slurs

noble pine
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No

icy lion
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no, slurs target a specific group or type of person

noble pine
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^

steady lintel
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By definition?

icy lion
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and like i said, the r word was used until recently

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yea

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so even though people sometimes use it like idiot theres still plenty of people alive where the term was used to classify them and deny them proper health and rights

noble pine
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Never knew that was an issue

thorn glacier
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The r word is a slur because it uses someone's medical diagnosis as a way of deeming people as stupid

noble pine
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Thank you

thorn glacier
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Ye

icy lion
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np, its always good to want to learn

thorn glacier
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^^

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Thanks for asking!!

icy lion
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in particular its been used against autistic people since research and acceptance of autism is still a struggle even today

junior crow
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I often don't see people use the R word on people who are disabled, most people say it as means to joke around. Or describe something as stupid

thorn glacier
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It's used against autistic people but it's also used on NTs which because autistic people are discriminated against kinda just insults autistic people even if it's meant as a joke or meant innocently

noble pine
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Insulting someone’s intelligence by calling them a name is pretty standard stuff imo so I never bothered to look deeper into it, but that makes sense

thorn glacier
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I think that's why a lot of people don't make the connection tbh, but yeah, most NDs consider it to be a slur

noble pine
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But thank you guys for the info, ill definitely try and steer away from it

icy lion
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thank you for asking about it c:

thorn glacier
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Yeah np! If you have any other questions feel free to ask :))

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Always happy to help

noble pine
bleak escarp
barren zephyr
fickle oar
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So I tried finding this earlier but all I see related to sheds are humanoid maintainance sheds and something about steggo shedding plates... But I wanted to ask if dinosaurs shedding their skins was being thought about for the future. Since we have the reptile version of the dinosaurs, it'd be neat for them to shed maybe once every hour or so? The sheds could have a faint scent and maybe soaking in water can make you shed faster? So if you're about to shed you slow down from stiffness but if you're freshly shed you're at the top of your game? Idk just something I've been mulling over.

barren zephyr
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Dinosaurs shed their skin continually, like birds.

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Or mammals

fickle oar
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Right but have you seen lizards shed? Most reptiles gotta soak to help the process along, and some of them get stuck shed. It's not the same as hair or feathers which drop over time...

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Scaled creatures shed their skin as a big overall shed

barren zephyr
fickle oar
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Yeah but dondii isn't doing feathered dinos for the most part, they're following more of jurassic parks model.. so more reptilian

barren zephyr
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But they likely won't be bothered with it.

barren zephyr
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You'll probably see more feathered dinos once modding becomes a thing

barren zephyr
barren zephyr
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Ah

still zinc
barren zephyr
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Well.
I wouldn't expect skin shedding

barren zephyr
still zinc
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Thats what i mean they would still have to look just makes the game playable for them.

barren zephyr
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Yeah

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I wouldn't hate if they had two options for subtles.

If someone wants less directions, to add to the horror survival. No directions mode.

Vice versa

still zinc
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i think they should only have subtitle for calls. not any other sound

ashen wasp
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@torpid nest The Isle has planned to have vehicles for years.

urban flax
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@torpid nest
Okay, so... how to put it ?
You're not the first one to suggest vehicles for mercs for The Isle. And even if you were, devs had this idea long before you mentioned it.
Second, they don't have to credit you in any means. It is stated nowhere that they have to do it, they did not promise it or anything. You're just here to give feedback. If devs do take inspiration from what you said, that should be enough for you to be satisfied.

languid cairn
ashen wasp
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yes. that time has passed, however, and people have to be careful about if or how they use that word. things' meanings change, and often for the worse.

languid cairn
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I'm normally one to agree on that, meanings changing, words and languages are updated all the time. However, when the [r word] can't even be used in its scientific setting by someone professionally, it's something more than just the word.

ashen wasp
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it can be used in that context, though?? what are you talking about??

paper oriole
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Did this dude think vehicles have never been discussed before his vague ass suggestion?

paper geyser
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the issue comes when it's used as a slur to degrade/insult a specific group of people

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you can still say "black" in spanish and "dark" in portuguese because the word is being used to describe a color (or lack thereof), but in english the translation of those words has a clearly terrible history and thus shouldn't be used

crystal trail
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@torpid nest Fyi, vehicles have been planned for years

bleak atlas
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Yeah Vehicles for Humans. There is no way you had the idea on your own. Its so uncommon for humans, exspecially Mercs, to have Vehicles in Games. It was clearly stolen from him 11!1!!1!!1

crystal trail
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Don't be rude.

bleak atlas
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Sry

barren zephyr
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lmao

thorn glacier
unreal moat
kindred flare
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@torpid nest the isle has no control over whats posted there. thats just a guy sharing what the devs say so that people who can see it dont miss out

still raptor
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@torpid nest vehicles were in older concepts. Like what punch said, they’ve been planned for years. Just because you didn’t realize this doesn’t mean you should get “credit” for your feedback.

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Plus, its people sharing ideas on what they want to be added/fixed to the game. They devs honestly dont have to listen to us but the fact that they do with feedback is amazing on their part.

torpid nest
torpid nest
torpid nest
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I didn't know that then

paper geyser
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well clearly you didn't create the idea if it existed before you suggested it

torpid nest
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I came up with it

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But the isle devs did before me

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I didn't know they did

torpid nest
torpid nest
tepid gate
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Even if they were to take someone's idea and introduce it into the game, they wouldn't have to credit that person for the idea. Most of the feedback is being constantly repeated by multiple people and it's typically very difficult to track down the first person who gave an idea.

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Also that "don't be rude" comment wasn't to you

still raptor
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^

torpid nest
torpid nest
tepid gate
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This isn't stealing the ideas though - the channel is literally created so that people can post what they'd like to see in the game. If the devs decide that some idea would fit the game nicely they are free to add it. They do not have to credit the person who came up with it. Matter of fact it might be outright impossible to find the first person who came with an idea. Vehicles specifically have been mentioned by the community over and over again, way before you made that suggestion. The lead dev of the game spoke about them close to a year ago. It's not a new idea but even if it was the devs implementing something from feedback isn't equal to them "stealing" that idea.

ashen wasp
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it's been in youtube videos, not necessarily the Discord

barren zephyr
torpid nest
barren zephyr
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If you implement something from feedback that's stealing OH_peepoShrug

torpid nest
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Bug fixes won't be stealing but ideas of new dinosaurs can be stealing if they don't give credit

tepid gate
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No, it's literally not stealing... you post the idea hoping the devs implement it, everyone here knows that they aren't going to be credited for it and nobody expects to get the credit for something. They do not have the time to look for who was the first person to suggest the idea it would be just a complete waste of time.

barren zephyr
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it's stealing

barren zephyr
tepid gate
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@barren zephyr I know, Ryk, I'm not talking to you, I'm still going on, trying to explain to SandAworldz3 that he has a weird definition of theft.

odd sedge
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For the newest suggestion (not this one) I really like the idea of customization of the body and eyes.
I'd love to give my dinosaurs a different eye color, but eye shape shouldn't be possible. A goat can't have slit eyes, because their eyea have adapted to their lifestyle and body type.

torpid nest
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What a mess I've tangled myself into

fervent fable
barren zephyr
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you know the definition of stealing sanda?

torpid nest
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Yes

barren zephyr
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Then you must be trolling.

fervent fable
paper geyser
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i can see how it might seem like stealing, but in this case it absolutely isn't

torpid nest
odd sedge
fervent fable
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me too I really want all that stuff

fervent fable
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@paper oriole the images are to go with my suggestion above to show the different types of customization options

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I Edited my suggestion to show explain the images, Plus it's for my suggestion above

unreal moat
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i cant be the only one that likes feathered and colorful dinos compared to the grey,basic and bland skins we have rn right?

fervent fable
unreal moat
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yea,grey just looks extremely ugly imo

fervent fable
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Grey is ugly cause of how legacy acro looked is just awful

noble pine
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@torpid nest vehicles have been planned since the beginning, I had a discussion with a dev last year about helicopters and they said it was a big possibility that they’d come to the game. Just because someone mentioned it in feedback doesn’t mean they own the copyright laws to that idea.

idle comet
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@plucky ridge
You get bleed at night you're fucked. It should work well for balancing as deino is gonna be the apex carnivore for now

crystal trail
noble pine
cobalt compass
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indeed, the concept and demand for vehicles didnt popup with your suggestion

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plucky ridge
brittle ivy
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Please stop dogpiling the vehicle feedback, the user has been made aware.

pale hazel
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@plucky ridge maybe the deino will not hunt at night

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and try to catch juvis or just hunt fish at night and when the day come it can hunt stego, carno ...

torpid nest
still raptor
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@lament solar "Pros of being an alpha? Once you became one, you should be a bit bigger and stronger, at most 5-15% more in size/damage/health. Of course it shouldn’t be immediate, your growth should go up slowly and stay and maximum level as long as you holding your title." This is legit the elder system.

glossy pollen
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You could have multiple elders but only one alpha, no?

lament solar
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yes, but elders system lies on diets mostly. My idea could have smaller impact, but still quite important to be beneficial for being in a group.

noble pine
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Isn’t pack leaders and battling for that role, exiling etc etc already planned

lament solar
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If so, then it will be great.

barren zephyr
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@brave rampart basing off living reptiles, no, carnotaurs don't shed their horns

fervent fable
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@brave rampart I like that suggestion better worded than
Mine, Not many people understood my suggestion, But I like the idea of shedding horns

barren zephyr
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And secondly neither do other animals with horns (except pronghorns). Deer don't have horns, but antlers.

fervent fable
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My Suggestions are just bad lol, I may not suggest anything lol

brave rampart
hybrid matrix
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That moose TI_Gross

brave rampart
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It looks like it took the pelt off of a bull lmao

hybrid matrix
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Yea

fervent fable
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Still better than my suggestion tho lol

swift dew
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carno definitly did not shed its horns, I can only see bad coming from making it shed horns too. All the realism freaks would freak out again, and i dont know what mechanics it would offer

barren zephyr
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Moose antlers are covered in this velvet, untill it's the breeding season and it sheds off.

fervent fable
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It looks painful

barren zephyr
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As far as I'm aware it isn't for the deer.

fervent fable
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Does it even hurt the animal?

barren zephyr
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The blood supply to the antlers cuts off, so no.

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The velvet sheds off when the antlers have stopped growing.

civic sparrow
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@valid elk yessss, we need iguanadon! I used to talk about wanting it but it’d get shot down by the very stupid “it’s big Teno” argument

valid elk
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Yeah, makes no sense.

lilac swallow
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Guess we need no Alberto because its small rex

swift dew
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or kentro

civic sparrow
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Or diablo

swift dew
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or bary

lilac swallow
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Or allo

swift dew
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idk about allo

lilac swallow
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Allo and giga

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But yeah stupid arguments

swift dew
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they arent similar like other dinos are

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their niches are similar, bleeders, but they arent similar like kentro and stego would be

lilac swallow
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I Will argue that allo and giga are more alike than tenon and iguano, but i also think none of the 2 cases are true anyway

teal parrot
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What would people think if the island made a damage threshold for big dinos, so that if they took damage from certain smaller dinos (like, bite forces below a certain number of Newton’s) they would automatically take very little damage?

noble pine
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That’s already a thing

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That’s just weight classes

fickle oar
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owo pack leaders and exiling is planned ? Sorry I'm just now able to skim the messages. I wanna see where all these non trello roadmap things are so I can follow along too xD that sounds like awesome social interactions there :3

languid cairn
# brave rampart I still thought it was a cool idea

I don't know if Carno or Cerato should be doing this, but I like the idea of severe wounds/lethal scars lowering your overall power. Sense we are getting the elder system which allows you to transfer a part of your power upon dying, the idea of permanent wounds on an animals that isn't is kind of balanced.

teal parrot
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@sadness#1602 I reacted with a x not because you don’t make a valid point. It’s very valid and it’s an issue that needs to be addressed. Instead of the damage when you bite a tail, I’d opt for a more potent dose of realism and suggest that tails locational Damage should be maybe 1 or 2% of original damage. This is authentic because tails could still take bleeds, without really presenting a vital target. In real life, no animal has ever been killed by massive trauma to the tail. Maybe by blood loss due to that trauma, but not direct trauma. So I think it could address the issue cuz who wants to tail attack for like, 7 damage per hit?

paper oriole
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permanent damage will just make people kill themselves

jaunty goblet
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@barren zephyr what do u mean a bug being sick in the game, if u eat too much u puke wtf thats not a bug

fickle oar
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Oooh I love the seaside cave image in the feedback channel. Imagine being a flyer and dipping up through the hole to perch up to or diving down within to the water~

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And biting the steggo tail doing a small bit of bleed would make sense. It's like biting a cactus. Sharp and pointy and not comfortable to grab with your mouth lol

paper oriole
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Imo biting a stego thag should just reflect your bite damage back at you

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Because obvs the harder you prick yourself with it the more it will do, should just be like getting bit in the face by your own attack

fickle oar
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Ehhh that sounds a bit overkill. I agree damage, but a bite equivalent? Maybe 1/2 bite force

paper oriole
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Not really, biting the one piece of the stego you are supposed to avoid should come with fair punishment

paper geyser
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I think it should mirror the damage onto yourself

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If you bite a thagomizer you deserve it

paper oriole
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Yeah plus steg has that big fat damage multiplier on its head so if you bite its spikes you deserve pain

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Attacking its one weapon, utter tomfoolery

cobalt compass
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yea, let me just thrust my head into some boney spike that impales me and sticks a good portion out of my head... no worry, i'll be fine TI_LUL

paper oriole
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Ya idk why people think there should be such minimal punishment for doing something so braindead lol

lilac swallow
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Braindead is how you end after getting pierced by a thagomizer for biting it

paper oriole
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Basically

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You should be punished for biting a spike just like you'd be punished for sprinting down a steep mountainside, bad decisions should be rewarded with bad outcomes

fervent fable
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@pale hazel be a nice Emote

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For Deino opening it’s mouth

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Or maybe it could be a Basking animation

random imp
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it's already an idle animation iirc

fervent fable
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Oh really? Sick

paper oriole
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For balance reasons herbis probably shouldn't sniff foot tracks on the move, they should still stop for foot tracks but be able to sniff everything else on the move like carnis

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Herbis, aquatics and flyers really have no business sniffing footprints on the move

teal parrot
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I totally agre that herbies should be able to sniff food and compass direction on the move, but not tracks. OR maybe just sniffing compass direction on the move, but having to stop to sniff tracks and food?

shadow vine
teal parrot
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@tall oasis yes I agree also, rocks need some work In the future so that stepping up and over small obstacles isn’t impossible.

icy lion
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carrying small carcasses does not slow you down. you can currently rip meat off of carcasses that do slow you

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though being able to rip meat regardless of size sounds like a no brainer

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i wish it was in already

odd sedge
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@teal parrot
Pressing G to rip off a chunk of flesh from a dead body that is too big to carry is already in

teal parrot
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yes i know but read my post again. I am talking about ripping meat from carcass thats too small to rip from.

broken thorn
mental sleet
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1 Is fine, 2 is true but looking at it the wrong way, 3 is unnecessary

lilac swallow
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If the newbie wants to try a Rex let him die as a rex

paper geyser
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^

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this isn't pot, it's not an rpg, it doesn't need quests or unlock systems in survival

lilac swallow
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Aldo there is only 2 possible ways of doing it

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  1. You have to unlock them once
  2. You have to unlock them for each server
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Frist one is very easily explotable by going to emty servers

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Second one is simply tedious beyond belief

paper geyser
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yep, either a pointless one-time hindrance or a pointless constant hindrance

lilac swallow
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Not to mention that apex are literally just normal playables

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Let the unlocking for strains

jaunty goblet
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If u eat too much and puke it goes away eventually But not right away lol

lofty pagoda
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10 words

jaunty goblet
fervent fable
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@barren zephyr oh welp tried to make a suggestion to your meme thing, unfortunately people don’t agree, but that’s ok

barren zephyr
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Sad bisa noises

hybrid matrix
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for some reason i cant react on the multiple dinos picking up a body suggestion

fervent fable
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That’s weird

hybrid matrix
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it said that the reaction was blocked when i tried on my phone

barren zephyr
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Maybe the user blocked you? But I cant imagine that. XD that would be random

hybrid matrix
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ive had few (if any) interactions with the person that posted it

barren zephyr
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Ok then it must be a problem with discord. Idk maybe try it later again or try it on yiur computer

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Or whatever other device you have TI_Perfect

barren zephyr
jaunty goblet
barren zephyr
fickle jasper
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@idle ibex Are mines confirmed?

idle ibex
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Don’t know but I thought it would be funny

paper geyser
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during floods it would make sense for burrows to fill with water

noble pine
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You’ll get your meme channel when you fix this damn door!

paper oriole
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Europejara or tupandactylus > tapejara

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Tapejara is a piece of paper in the wind unless youre looking at Prehistoric Wildlife

barren zephyr
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lmao

civic sparrow
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Just now seeing this lol

barren zephyr
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Ahhh ok I see what you saying

civic sparrow
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Yeee

swift dew
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@signal saddle Just put suggestions in general feelback

paper oriole
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The suggestions and feedback channels were merged a while back

signal saddle
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Thats what i did

paper oriole
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The feedback channel is just the old suggestion channel renamed actually

signal saddle
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👍

swift dew
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@zenith onyx I know this is late but, tapejara was infact smaller than pteranodon, I know the isle doesn't care but maybe tapejara could be a more lightweight build of pteranodon? though it could totally be fictionalized to be more bulky.

paper oriole
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Basically the big sea monster in spore that eats you if you swim too far out hmm

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Could work

potent sparrow
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Would be heckin scary too

swift dew
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maybe like a Type-H mosa, would be more fitting, and would spank you even more then a regular mosa would.

potent sparrow
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Right

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I'll edit the message and add mention of the type h

barren zephyr
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it may or may not work adding some sort of mechanic like that

potent sparrow
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It's just something that spawns when you're too far out to sea

barren zephyr
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if the devs are wanting to further down the line implement sea creatures, it may not work

potent sparrow
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Fair enough. At least it's up there, see what they do with it if anything. Haha

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I'm sure they have other plans

kindred flare
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If you go too far out to sea you drown, no need for a big sea monster

civic sparrow
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They noted that, and said that it’s a more fun and aesthetic way to die

kindred flare
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then thats defeats the purpose of drowning

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its not really more fun either, after a while you know what to expect, like drowning. the first few times its like a race against stamina, then it becomes a math problem

mild socket
languid cairn
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@torpid nest Bone Chewing

There can be a mechanic where chewing bones does this for you.

I don't think it necessary in the grand scheme of things, but I've toyed with the idea occasionally.

torpid nest
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Ok

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But when you're eating you technically chew bones to

languid cairn
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What I'm saying is that there can be remains amd specialized items. If the mechanic is only tied to eating, it might not be received as well.

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Also, c'mon, man. You can't just like your own post like that. I mean you can, but you probably shouldn't out of good faith.

paper oriole
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lol dead corpse

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What other kind of corpse is there

urban flax
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Living corpse
The kind that tries to eat your brain

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Zombie dinos were quite popular some time ago

barren zephyr
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@haughty cliff isn't it update 5?

mellow goblet
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oh sorry

barren zephyr
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this'll help

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might not give the true solution

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but might help

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if not, I believe Krow might help you if Krow sees your message

mellow goblet
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ok thanks

barren zephyr
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all good

valid elk
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Wish people would tag me and tell me why they X'd my idea.

hybrid matrix
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same

paper oriole
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Probably just 3 iguanadon haters

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I kno one of them at least wants iguanacolossus instead

hybrid matrix
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wut suggestion are we talking about

paper oriole
hybrid matrix
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i love how they spelled out talk dumb get the thumb TI_Troll

barren zephyr
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I do like the idea, but it should only happen in certain dinos like Hypsi.

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(Regurgitation)

pure vigil
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I like the realism but I don't trust this community not to make it weird.

hybrid matrix
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same

barren zephyr
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Simple solution, if my hatchlings make it weird I kill them on the spot.

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If my parents make it weird I jump off the nearest cliff

hybrid matrix
hybrid matrix
pure vigil
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"I must go right now immediately"

broken thorn
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@barren zephyr cool suggestion about the nesting but theee are also herbivores, should they bring their babies greens?