general-feedback-discussion

[barren zephyr]

@thorny lynx pleeaassee do this same post with the Deino proportions too.

you can stylize dinosaurs without throwing proportions out the window. rj palmer is a great example of this

[mellow maple]

this here is definitely too big

yea I just noticed

[barren zephyr]

NOOOOOO DON'T

DON'T RUIN IT FOR ME PLEASE

[dapper pulsar]

Ain't the real thing like a fucking truck?

[mellow maple]

compared to other concepts, this one is closer

I wish it was exact.

[jade schooner]

Re checked many skull examples. They are actually there, sort of. But a bit too sharp in the concept

[mellow maple]

But nowadays I've just come to accept there will be stylizations

Could've been way worse tho

[strange wave]

hey hey, its better than other things... austro

[mellow maple]

could've had a FK bary

[barren zephyr]

I think, the more soft tissue exaggeration, the better

[mellow maple]

Oh I'm not gonna hate it all of a sudden. It's easily one of the best theropod concepts since Allo

and I'm dead serious on that

[jade schooner]

I wouldn't say more is better, but less is not good as well. Gotta find the perfect ground

[barren zephyr]

look at this. a perfect example of how stylization doesn't have to get in the way of accuracy

[strange wave]

old saurian designs were horribly inaccurate

[barren zephyr]

anybody using "they want to make their animals stand out" as an excuse is bluffing. you can make them stand out without making them look ridiculous

[mellow maple]

but what if we got this tho

[barren zephyr]

soft tissue structures like that wouldn't appear in the bone ??

[strange wave]

thats a fucking tail club and you know it

[barren zephyr]

have you seen hippo skulls compared to living hippos?

Proportions are way off with Evrimas Deino...

[strange wave]

also, you said looking ridiculous

[barren zephyr]

plenty of structures like that don't have bony cores

[strange wave]

that looks ridiculous

[barren zephyr]

and thus wouldn't fossilize

the colors are crazy because sauropods probably did have ridiculous colors

adult sauropods have no need to camoflauge

that's what I'm saying !

[barren zephyr]

that's an opinion. but it is a fact that the isle's dinosaurs have wrong proportions

that rj palmer drawing does not contradict what we know about sauropods, or that specific sauropod, at all

u right, u right

that's fair, it is literally just pc novaraptor

[icy lion]

stop using poorly scaled skeletal comparisons to make a point https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/819037816297357322/image0.png

[thorny lynx]

Dude, both of my comparisons are the same exact length or height,.

[icy lion]

and yet are scaled worse than the image i posted

[barren zephyr]

agreed

[thorny lynx]

Then how do I scale properly?

[icy lion]

....like the image i posted. the skulls are lined up exactly, and the lengths are exactly the same. hip height matches as well

hips generally work best

[dapper pulsar]

hips don't lie

HAHA

i've won this conversation

[icy lion]

the feet in the concept are weirdly small

but overall its a massive improvement on the A carnivores (austro, alberto, acro)

[mellow maple]

I will say. I did note that the legs are actually a little too short

[thorny lynx]

I thought you scale by the same length. I literally kept the aspect ratio of everything the same, down to the pixel.

[barren zephyr]

false. laughing at your own jokes is based

[thorny lynx]

up top.

[barren zephyr]

yet another example of a stylized dinosaur that is accurate to reality

[dapper pulsar]

That is a very islecord thing to say, young man.

[mellow maple]

This is my scaling

[icy lion]

seems like a lot of the designs have short legs

and then youve got spino

[thorny lynx]

My scaling literally has the same length or height.

[mellow maple]

Which may or may n-

I WISH

I WISSSHHHHH

Spino's got them galli runner legs

smh

[barren zephyr]

[mellow maple]

anyway

[dapper pulsar]

If they gave Spino short legs they wouldn't be functional

it's at the brink

[icy lion]

im not talking irl length legs but theyre seriously long

[dapper pulsar]

SHORTER LEGS COMPARED TO THE REAL ANIMAL

[barren zephyr]

your mom's legs say otherwise

[dapper pulsar]

fuck i got owned

[thorny lynx]

This is why I keep saying these designs are cartoonish. Overexaggerated features like short legs, long arms, grossly-oversized heads, weirdly-shaped spines...

[barren zephyr]

^

[thorny lynx]

I'm so tired of jurassic park inspiration. Could The Isle be its own thing?

[mellow maple]

This applies way more to other animals than Bary. But that does not mean Bary is excused from it

[barren zephyr]

I'm tired of the excuses, even jurassic park's designs were based off of rigorous skeletal drawings

[dapper pulsar]

Naw fam. That's how people change. I can only go down from here.

[mellow maple]

I'm so mixed. I love it but I'm still like, yeah it's inconsistent in some areas

[icy lion]

i think i like it so much because i was expecting an austro monstrosity

[mellow maple]

Ah but if we had JW bary tho

[barren zephyr]

same the bar is low

[mellow maple]

Oh man

[icy lion]

and this certainly isnt true to irl bary but.... its not austro

lol

[mellow maple]

Say what you will about the concept

[barren zephyr]

I'd uninstall the game

[mellow maple]

I'm glad we dodged this bullet

[barren zephyr]

it's not that bad rly

[thorny lynx]

Rex has a grossly-oversized head and oversized leg muscles.
Acro is fat and chonky, is squished horizontally, and the spine does not curve correctly.
Austro is just a weird thing on its own.
And Alberto's head is dented and his legs are not long enough.
Theri with no long dewclaw and potbelly...

I feel like we're in the 1980s where we don't know better about how these dinosaurs look. Yeah, we want to make them look like mutants, but now... these designs are just ignorant. And Fred and Jacob know better. They make better quality stuff.

[barren zephyr]

it's not perfect but it's not god awful

[dapper pulsar]

I mean, in comparison it's pretty great.

[mellow maple]

I did say Bary is the best theropod concept we've gotten since Allo

which was a long time ago

so I don't disagree with you fluff

[barren zephyr]

right? and the original bary model was fantastic, too

[icy lion]

idk i think teno and magy are great

[barren zephyr]

we got a new allo concept?

[dapper pulsar]

I mean it's probably the weakest spinosaur in terms of looks but yeah

[mellow maple]

I'm talking the current one

[icy lion]

feels weird getting something like austro after we got teno

[mellow maple]

This

[dapper pulsar]

huh

that is an allo.

[barren zephyr]

allo is perfect, aside from the lack of lips

[thorny lynx]

All I ask of devs is to just get a skeletal, draw over it. make the neck bigger if you guys want, make the model more chonky, make the head more robust... but heavens' sake, stop messing with the head lengths and limb sizes.

[mellow maple]

also transferring 2d to 3d will garner different results

[barren zephyr]

PLEASE I'LL LITERALLY PAY THEM TO DO THIS

[icy lion]

true but the anky model looked spot-on to the art

[mellow maple]

Keep in mind this does not mean I like giga

but it did change

nontheless

[thorny lynx]

Concave bellies again. Why. Just why. That's not how gastralia work. If they were, they would squish and puncture and rearrange organs.

[barren zephyr]

for sure, I think most of these problems will be resolved when they actually model it

I also love the current giga

[mellow maple]

I tell em that too tho

[dapper pulsar]

I like Giga the most out of our big carnivores

[feral sedge]

Personally i dont mind the animals not being accurate but man poor bary looks like its claws would break as soon it would stub it against a rock

[thorny lynx]

this is disgusting. Why.

[feral sedge]

Same for its like snout its slightly too long it looks like its just good enough for fish and nothing else, mind you its a piscivore but maybe give it slightly less long snout idk

[thorny lynx]

Seriously... just... Get the skeleton dossier. There's your base proportions. You wanna make the arms a bit more longer and beefy? Fine. Angry brows? Fine. Crests? Fine. Chonk and muscle? Fine, but don't overdo it. But leave the heads and gastralia and spines alone. They're the most defining feature of the dinosaur.

[noble pine]

Holy shit guys, a spinosaurid looks like another spinosaurid because they have a similar build, it’s almost like most bipedal carnivores look similar.

[brave rampart]

Hmmm, it's almost as if the proportions line up

except for the legs since yknow

[thorny lynx]

The spine is off too. Really bad.

[noble pine]

Fluff are you really bitching about accurate proportions in a game that DOESNT strive for accuracy?

[brave rampart]

I'm fine with the spine lol

[thorny lynx]

And the back of the head.

[noble pine]

[thorny lynx]

It seems to strive for ignorance now. Even though these dinosaurs are mutants, a lot of them are no longer believable.

[barren zephyr]

[brave rampart]

The head is fine ffs

Why do y'all bitch over the stupidest of things

Actually, accuracy in models was never their thing

Hence

Dobberman

Send me a quote please

[thorny lynx]

I just want my dinosaur sim with variation. I don't want mutants.

Dondi once said this would be THE dinosaur game for everyone. I expected realism, at least. Simulations. Survival. Horror. Bonding.

[noble pine]

Then, stop playing? How is this bary not believable? It literally looks like a dinosaur, it LOOKS LIKE A BARY. I bet you if they added a 100% accurate dinosaur you’d still complain about something.

[thorny lynx]

Dude, I look at Beasts of the Mesozoic and everything is SPOT FUCKING ON. Jacob does FANTASTIC work for them.

[dapper pulsar]

Is that the toy line?

[feral sedge]

Except the isle isnt meant to be accurate

[noble pine]

Dondi has never strived for accuracy, he’s never strived for accurate dinosaurs, just the fact that they roar should be the dead give away. If all you’re ever going to do is compare them to their accurate counter parts and complain about how they’re not accurate so they’re not good, then why even be here

[dapper pulsar]

it is

[brave rampart]

Yeah but on Beasts of whatever that is, it's probably not LIKE THE ISLE WHERE THEY ACTUALLY AREN'T 100% DINOSAURS

[barren zephyr]

Calm down Stan

[feral sedge]

I understand some things might be off like the claws or the head but like the back is fine

[brave rampart]

I am calm lol

[thorny lynx]

It isn't a game. It makes TOY FIGUARINES.

[barren zephyr]

[compact hare]

If you want realism play another game, The isle is not for you then. The isle has its own style.. taking some things from the movies of course, but the game is not realistic and its far from being one

[thorny lynx]

Bary's spine is caved in!

[noble pine]

^

[mellow maple]

it's gonna get smoothed out tho

[feral sedge]

Dude

[mellow maple]

I wish it got pulled up a bit more tho

[feral sedge]

Raptor is the jp raptor

[brave rampart]

Why are you mentioning and comparing toy figurines to a game where these aren't 100% dinosaurs

[thorny lynx]

Well, I'm sorry if the game completely changed into something I didn't purchase it for.

[noble pine]

Literally what wheat said.

[feral sedge]

Just like dont complain about their art style on the pixel

[noble pine]

This isn’t even the final model

[feral sedge]

Its useless

they aren't gonna change it anyway to where its accurate 100

[mellow maple]

They are allowed to give feedback...

I am as well lol

[noble pine]

Give actual constructive criticism instead of complaining about something not being accurate, that doesn’t help anyone understand any actual issues by just comparing it to a skeleton

[feral sedge]

Yep

[thorny lynx]

I don't want 100% accuracy. Goddammit. How many times do I have to tell you guys this? I Just want accurate proportions with a unique style. That's it. You wanna make Acro chunky? Fine! You wanna make alberto a bit more bulky? Fine! But why make its legs short? why make Austro's head super long and its neck paper thin?

[noble pine]

I have several times

I’m specifically talking about fluff

[feral sedge]

Why are you getting upset tho ?

[mellow maple]

I do agree with you on this tho. 🤷

[noble pine]

Why?

[dapper pulsar]

clarity

[feral sedge]

like dont get upset at us for not agreeing

If anything tag dondi

[mellow maple]

However, might I also add that its' interesting that most edits to the concept have generally been very minimal. I'm not saying the animal is perfect but it is better than what's it been given credit for.

[thorny lynx]

I don't want my Rex to have a gargantuan-sized head with fucked up teeth and legs that look like turkey drumsticks. I don't want an Acro that looks too fat to move. I don't want an austro that completely disregards its raptor-origins for a life of almost exclusively fishing. Just.

I don't want JPraptor.

[mellow maple]

You cannot tell me that Isle Bary is in the same league is chunk arco

[noble pine]

Austro genuinely needs a shorter neck, more bulk all around and a shorter mouth

[mellow maple]

They are like day and night

[feral sedge]

Well too late for that

Not gonna happen lol

[brave rampart]

Well I'm fine with this anyways
It lines up perfectly. Even if theres some "mistakes" I guess.

[dapper pulsar]

why does the islecord only have intense debate and circle jerk-

[noble pine]

It doesn’t

You just gotta dig deep for the good stuff.

[mellow maple]

There are inconsistencies with the design.

[dapper pulsar]

Eh, yeah. I don't have enough experience to make that call.

[noble pine]

It’s not 1 to 1 perfection but it’s close

[thorny lynx]

It does not. The back of the head is grossly oversized, the crest is too far forward, the spine is deformed, the gastralia concave, the claws are grossly oversized...

[feral sedge]

Thats why i dont talk much here tbh i think people get way too upset for just sharing their thoughts on stuff

[mellow maple]

Small rebuttal but if they had to stylize something, wouldn't the claws be a good place to start?

[brave rampart]

And this is where I get my point on 100% accuracy..

[feral sedge]

Yea

[noble pine]

No, they aren’t, that’s called proper stylization. The claws make it distinct from suchos, same as the crests bd much thicker neck.

[mellow maple]

let's actually bring sucho's hand in this hold on.

hggh

[feral sedge]

The isle doesnt strive for it and doesn't care so whinning wont change that

[thorny lynx]

Why should Bary have larger claws in proportion to Sucho, who's supposed to be this massive fucking bear with long claws for catching fish

[dapper pulsar]

that's

[mellow maple]

it's thin

[dapper pulsar]

certainly a difference.

[mellow maple]

but enlongated

[thorny lynx]

This is what we mean by consistency.

[noble pine]

Why wouldn’t bary have large claws? Especially if it’s supposed to be able to hunt things on land and protect itself from things like cera.

[mellow maple]

I will admit this is definitely an exaggeration of the claws tho..

I like it, idk about y'all

[noble pine]

I like it

It looks badass

[brave rampart]

Same

[noble pine]

Why does it matter?

[brave rampart]

What does age have to do with this lmao

Why

[mellow maple]

wtf are y'all talking about

[brave rampart]

Well I'm not lol

[mellow maple]

jesus christ

[brave rampart]

That's odd to ask

[noble pine]

I’d prefer not to.

[mellow maple]

Aight I'm gonna bring this back to baryonyx

[noble pine]

Yes thank you

[thorny lynx]

I'm 25 but... yeah. I'm on the spectrum and I can be hypervigilant with things I am passionate about.

[noble pine]

Anyway

[mellow maple]

There's nothing wrong with that. But I want to say that you may still be looking at the concept too harshly. It still has to go through Jacob.

The Allo from the concept differs from the model and the allo is nearly on point, right??

[thorny lynx]

Allo is the best designed dinosaur in the entire game. It just needs some spines. He nekkie.

[mellow maple]

Mhm

[noble pine]

Longer claws = farther swiping distance = better defense

Longer claws = cutting/going deeper into the skin of an attacker/prey = more damage

[mellow maple]

wait hold on

spines as in

[dapper pulsar]

Allo's too generic for my tastes

[mellow maple]

bigger vertebrae?

[thorny lynx]

Long claws are BEIPI'S THING. Bary is a FISHER.

[mellow maple]

orr

[icy lion]

i think they mean spikes

[mellow maple]

the stuff on top of the ski

[dapper pulsar]

I would say Therizinosaur thing but

[mellow maple]

ahh

[icy lion]

like a toned down doberman

[mellow maple]

MMMM

[thorny lynx]

Bary's not a brawler!

[mellow maple]

Idk

[noble pine]

I- so bipea and theri are the only things allowed to have long claws?

[mellow maple]

I'm indifferent to spines on the skin

[compact hare]

What beipi has to do with bary

[noble pine]

That’s um, not very good logic

[dapper pulsar]

both aquatic, examples of good dino designs.

[thorny lynx]

I'm just saying there is no reason for Bary to have longer claws than Sucho and Spino combined.

[dapper pulsar]

by isle standards

[icy lion]

sometimes things are meant to be bland, i feel it works well in allos case

wait

theri

aquatic?

[dapper pulsar]

Bei

[thorny lynx]

aquatic theri say whatnow

[noble pine]

Because many modern fishers have longer claws, beaks or mouths to catch their prey.

[icy lion]

oh no, i misunderstood

my bad

[dapper pulsar]

it already got one of those tho

[mellow maple]

The belly argument I understand tho

[thorny lynx]

Those claws look like they're made to pierce, not to slash. Pierce into the jugular.

[mellow maple]

I really wish that was smoothed out

[noble pine]

I just gave you reasons why bary having longer claws is better

[brave rampart]

calling bary an aquatic theri even though bary doesnt eat plant's

[dapper pulsar]

what

what the fuck are you talking about-

[icy lion]

no one called bary an aquatic theri, i made a misunderstanding

[dapper pulsar]

Theri has been mentioned twice

[brave rampart]

Ah

[dapper pulsar]

in relation to bei

[noble pine]

Why can’t bary have long claws, I just need to ask

[brave rampart]

I just tuned in so

[mellow maple]

mostly they want it to be thicker

[dapper pulsar]

you good

[mellow maple]

proportionally

[icy lion]

someone mentioned bei and theri, then said "both" in regards to bei and bary, and i misunderstood that to mean bei and theri

[thorny lynx]

The claws are too long for just a normal bary. If those were elder claws, I'd be SO down.

[noble pine]

What is so fucking important about bary having the generic 3 inch claws

[mellow maple]

This is the edit i like most rn

[brave rampart]

I see

[thorny lynx]

Imagine how long those fuckers would be if thit was elder bary.

[noble pine]

That doesn’t answer the question

[brave rampart]

Elder doesnt need to have longer claws lol

Just sayin

[dapper pulsar]

have you never met an old woman?

jesus fucking christ it's most of their fingers 90% of the time

[brave rampart]

Yes, and she has clipped nails

Luckily

[thorny lynx]

Because having too sharp claws means you do not have an accurate grip on what you need to grab. Having an extended claw is generally for piercing and keeping enemies away from you, not bringing something towards you, like a Bary catching a fish and trying to bring it to its mouth to grapple.

[noble pine]

Unless you can give me a valid reason why bary having long claws is detrimental to its survival and is genuinely bad design, I’ll continue to think otherwise

[dapper pulsar]

she's restricting her power, don't let it blind you

[brave rampart]

[dapper pulsar]

fear.

[brave rampart]

"Too sharp claws"

Do you mean two or too

[dapper pulsar]

it was too.

[brave rampart]

They do seem like they can actually function

[thorny lynx]

Bary may as well run around slashing shit like Theri and stabbing its claws in dinosaurs' necks. Those hands aren't for fishing.

[brave rampart]

They can inflict gashes and scratches

Causing, y'know, BLEED

[noble pine]

If you have sharp, piercing claws, then you’d be better at catching fish since you’d have an easier time A. Piercing into their body and catching them, or B. You just don’t use your claws at all and use your mouth like a normal fisher.

[dapper pulsar]

Do you think if things could be stuck on Theri's claws someone would eventually get a hypsi stuck long way?

unrelated.

[thorny lynx]

And gasp, guess why Bary had conical teeth like a crocodile? GRAPPLE. Catching fish.

[noble pine]

Or if bary gets the Jaguar niche, it’s claws will probably be used for killing things a little bigger than fish

[brave rampart]

Why not use both your mouth and claws...

Bite and claw

[mellow maple]

oh wait

hmmm

[noble pine]

So why does it’s claws matter.

[mellow maple]

I actually found the skeletal that I think they actually based it on??

maybe???

[brave rampart]

Oh really

[mellow maple]

Minus the hands

[thorny lynx]

See, those claws are just fine.

[mellow maple]

Hmm no wait I take it back

[thorny lynx]

And look. It's from 2004. 16 years ago.

[mellow maple]

the neck is too beefy in comparison

[noble pine]

If you used your mouth for catching fish, why does it matter how sharp or long the claws are?

[mellow maple]

It's like a weight mix of the two

[icy lion]

looking *only at skeletals for claws isnt always the greatest since the sheaths often dont fossilize well, if at all *correction

[dapper pulsar]

nothing relevant to spinosaurs has happened in the last 2 decades, stupid

[noble pine]

Well....

Spinosaurus-

[thorny lynx]

This is from 2019.

[mellow maple]

One thing to note, I heard that the arms are too far up in that skeletal

[thorny lynx]

It's like the devs are using skeletals of dinosaurs from way back when we didn't know any better.

[noble pine]

You still haven’t answered my question fluff

[dapper pulsar]

burned, all gone.

*bombed

well like a flash flood of burning

[mellow maple]

2008 spino material tho

[dapper pulsar]

an explosion

DOESN'T EXIST

[mellow maple]

which then turned out to be 2014 stuff later on

[thorny lynx]

You want to win so badly, don't you?

[noble pine]

Do I want to be right because you’ve yet to give me a compelling argument? Yes.

[mellow maple]

Y'all this discussion has spiraled way more than just disagreements by this point.

jesus christ

[thorny lynx]

When you pierce something too deeply, you have to flick it off your hand, right? Do you think Spino can reach his hand with his neck?

[noble pine]

[dapper pulsar]

romance, death, betrayal

[thorny lynx]

What's it gonna do with that fish in its claws? Flick it?

[noble pine]

That’s why you use a rock, tree or, oh my gosh, your other hand to push it off

[brave rampart]

^

[dapper pulsar]

that's

[brave rampart]

Use those fingers to grab it more or less

[mellow maple]

can't it also just

use its mouth

to grab it

?

[noble pine]

^

[brave rampart]

Or bite the tail of the fish

[noble pine]

Like

[brave rampart]

Yeah wheat

[thorny lynx]

And why should it go through all that trouble when it can just use its jaws to catch the fish and then swallow it.

[noble pine]

If I catch the fish with my mouth, why would I then use my claws?

[mellow maple]

hold on

[thorny lynx]

So why should Bary have long claws when it is fast enough to run away?

[mellow maple]

The bary we have

[noble pine]

Exactly, so what’s wrong with the claws being long sharp if it could just use its jaws.

[mellow maple]

actually reminds me of something

gimme a sec gamers

[thorny lynx]

BECAUSE IT DOESN'T NEED LONG CLAWS.

[brave rampart]

DEFENSE

AND HUNTING

[mental sleet]

[dapper pulsar]

wait wheat is gone

be quiet

pause

good.

[brave rampart]

You telling me you shouldnt use those claws to rip a massive gash into your prey?

Or puncture them in place?

[thorny lynx]

claws that long are for piercing, not slashing. And the last thing you want is to have something that long stuck in something the same size as you. And considering how frail they look, them fuckers are gonna breakj.

[noble pine]

You forget, bary will probably be a semi-terrestrial semi-aquatic hunter, meaning it’s going to run it a lot of predators, it can then use those so painfully bad long claws to stab that mutha fucka or use them as a deterrent until it can run away safely.

[thorny lynx]

But do they need to be that grossly long? The claws in the 2004 skeleton are as long as your entire fucking hand. That's enough.

[brave rampart]

So then puncturing in place lol

[noble pine]

I mean, why not?

It just genuinely boils down to, why not?

[thorny lynx]

Tell me why not then.

[noble pine]

It makes it different from sucho and spoon

And it could be used for several different tasks

[thorny lynx]

Why should the smallest spinosaurid have the largest claws? It makes no fucking sense.

[mellow maple]

Gives me that vibe

[thorny lynx]

Red? That's pink.

[brave rampart]

So that more or less goes back to my point on people wanting 100% accuracy lol

[thorny lynx]

Just making sure you're not colorblind friend

[dapper pulsar]

I mean I don't think he's asking for 100% accuracy, just for the spinosaur to have spinosaur claws.

[brave rampart]

Yeah I realized what he sent

[noble pine]

I mean, piercing through skin, effectively killing things faster or allowing it to hold onto something. Reaching into burrows, defense (since it has the shortest arms compared to neck length of the 3), defense, intimidation, unique.

[dapper pulsar]

field tested, hundreds of millions of years in the making, unbelievably effective spinosaur claws

[noble pine]

Again, you can’t give a good enough reason why having them is terrible, and all I can really tell you is, why not have them?

[mellow maple]

??

[noble pine]

They can serve many purposes

[mellow maple]

It looks curved to me

[brave rampart]

Tbh

[thorny lynx]

May as well not have Beipi when we have fucking barypiaosaurus.

[noble pine]

Them looks like some grappling claws to me

[thorny lynx]

If those claws were meant to grapple, they would be shorter and way more robust. There is a reason why you should not take something long and thin and jostle it side to side. YOU'LL BREAK IT. Those claws will break in a struggle.

[noble pine]

Bipie is in now way comparable to bary in terms of niche, diet and gameplay.

[dapper pulsar]

bei swims, disproven.

😎

[mellow maple]

the gameplay I'm kind of expecting (not a confirmation mind you) is using its claws as enlongated spears.

[brave rampart]

Beipi is semi-aquatic, plant and meat eater.

Bary is a territorial, meat eater that sometimes eats fish.

[thorny lynx]

You don't slash with a spear. You pierce.

[noble pine]

But it’s not a spear

[thorny lynx]

You try to use a spear like a sword and you'll break it.

[noble pine]

It’s a curved hook

[thorny lynx]

It's all about how pressure is handled by the claw.

[noble pine]

It’s literally a hook

[brave rampart]

ackchually, you can slash with spears. I learned this from experience. You'll just focus on puncturing

[noble pine]

I didn’t say you had to fish with it

[mellow maple]

also it's a game, yes I know I hate that excuse myself but are we really gonna get worked up over the claws looking long to give it extra range?

[thorny lynx]

But yuo can only slash so many times until the stress eventually breaks the wood or you fuck up and hit something too hard.

[brave rampart]

That honestly depends on how durable your spear is

[noble pine]

I mean, no? Sturdy wood can hold up for a long long time.

If you get a dry, dead wood for your spear

It’s gonna break

[mellow maple]

2d to 3d will probably different.

[dapper pulsar]

how do you keep spear wood alive

[noble pine]

But if you get thick, oak wood or something, shits not gonna break

[dapper pulsar]

that wasn't worth a sun glasses emoji but I was considering it

be warned.

[mellow maple]

That's my piece for now.

I do have a gift however

in the midst of this bary talk

[noble pine]

I mean, a piece of wood that’s been broken from the tree for a while

[mellow maple]

I am going to drop in my advertising mod edits ahaha

[noble pine]

It’ll be dry and easy to break

[brave rampart]

Dead wood is more chopped off wood from the main source.
Chop a piece of wood off of a live tree, and its technically, dead wood.

[dapper pulsar]

oh damn

[mellow maple]

Mind the long neck.

rigs are painful

[dapper pulsar]

hey fuck you what do you have against 15?

[brave rampart]

Okay, King. lol

[mellow maple]

brrooo

[dapper pulsar]

no

ok the period was rude

I didn't mean it like that

sorry

[noble pine]

At the end of the conversation, they’re ranged effective weapons that could easily deter a large predator. They could be used to reach into small dens or burrows, they could be used to slash a struggling prey item (say a pachy).

[mellow maple]

Yeah this is way more than just discourse about Baryonyx. I'm out, peace 👋

[dapper pulsar]

It's about wood too

[noble pine]

What I said was completely legitimate.
Also no, I have a job and my own responsibilities, I’m definitely not 15.

[icy lion]

<@&401466542140817419>

fun

[severe idol]

Ah. We're doing this again.

[noble pine]

I don’t understand what age has to do with anything.

[brave rampart]

joe more or less showed me the reason why I left islecord for a while.

sigh

[severe idol]

Cool. Let me show you how we can fix that.

[noble pine]

[severe idol]

Boop. Gone.

[brave rampart]

Thank you.

[opaque blaze]

I witnessed a divine smiting, nice

[compact hare]

ah Rick...

[severe idol]

Craaaazy, right?

[noble pine]

That was just, what the fuck.

[brave rampart]

Ike

Ikr

[icy lion]

anyway

enough of that

[noble pine]

I gave a compelling argument and what I said was completely legitimate (I would know, I live in the country).

Yeah

Best bary skin

[thorny lynx]

I just missed everything. What happened to JoeWatts?

[severe idol]

Nothing worth talking about. Move on.

[noble pine]

Was being the big creepy so

Anyway

Nile monitor bary

[brave rampart]

Woah someone already did a skin edit?

[noble pine]

Yeah

[brave rampart]

That's pretty fucking cool

[noble pine]

Someone from another discord

[dapper pulsar]

It's my favorite by default.

[noble pine]

I’m kinda biased since I owned a nile for a bit but I just love their colors

[brave rampart]

Jaguar Bary with a nile monitor skin sounds based af

[noble pine]

And it’s perfect on the bary

[noble pine]

Because it is

[dapper pulsar]

wait you owned a fucking-

[noble pine]

Yes

[dapper pulsar]

did not mean to send that

[noble pine]

I miss him

[dapper pulsar]

accidentally hit enter

was gonna change it

[brave rampart]

I just want a Dwarf Caiman man

[dapper pulsar]

Yeah, you can form a bond with a lizard like that

just keep a different croc like thing in a small room

[brave rampart]

but I might attempt caring for an aqua blue iguana

[noble pine]

Ohhh

Oh no...

I pray for you

[dapper pulsar]

is that just the color of the iguana, or like an actual animal?

I refuse to google things.

[noble pine]

I’ve got a baby female argus and adult dumerils monitor

[dapper pulsar]

ok I googled it

[brave rampart]

Haha yeah, I've heard about how hard it is to take care of one

[dapper pulsar]

I still don't know, it just looks like an iguana.

[noble pine]

Blues and greens only vary in color I think

[brave rampart]

Oh really?

[dapper pulsar]

very pretty though

[noble pine]

Idk

[brave rampart]

I heard Aqua blues were smaller than Greens

[noble pine]

I’m not an expert on iguanas

Monitors are my thing

[brave rampart]

Mirror, it's a smaller Green iguana lmao

Just

Blue

[noble pine]

Yeah

That makes some of the pain go away

no it doesn’t

[brave rampart]

Green iguanas can get up to 7 feet long

Luckily I think at max, Aquas get to 5 feet long lol

[dapper pulsar]

Then again, I should judge an iguana on appearance. This one only looks kinda different and the last time something like it happened we got mosasaurs.

[noble pine]

Fat

[dapper pulsar]

Now people on the other hand

[barren zephyr]

F

[dapper pulsar]

judge exclusively on appearance.

bad.

Will never become mosasaur

[dapper pulsar]

maybe become monkey, so look for monkey traits.

oh pretty boy

[brave rampart]

Then again

I also looked at taking care of a Savannah monitor

And then I heard how fucking crazy they get

[barren zephyr]

they aren’t that bad

[dapper pulsar]

it's like a worse cat

[barren zephyr]

I have one, he’s pretty friendly

[dapper pulsar]

I was gonna say bad but they're all terrible

[brave rampart]

I also heard they get massive

[noble pine]

They don’t get crazy

They’re just mean if you don’t take proper care of them

[mellow maple]

honestly just give it some minor proportion edits, and it's golden

Even as is, I still like it a lot

[barren zephyr]

@maiden anvil Its been found that most quadrupedal ornithopods (e.g. iguanodon, camptosaurus, hadrosauridae) are mostly quadrupedal when walking, but can only run as bipeds

they would be too big to gallop, too

so iguanodon walk on all fours, but run on two legs or rear up on two to reach trees

[maiden anvil]

Thank you for your response!

[barren zephyr]

@tulip ice wait for update 4 in the UI update
we could potentially, and most probably see some sort of fixture to the HUD and compass

[tulip ice]

a yes!

[tulip ice]

and the idea of ​​the ptera?

[barren zephyr]

Ptera is more of a scavenger, no real need to pick living things up.
and watching BoB, most would use this to KOS and be a nuisance.
I wouldn't give it the ability to pick things up anytime soon

At least not yet. I would guess maybe Quetz could obtain this ability in the far future

[tulip ice]

ok

[maiden anvil]

@barren zephyr I agree

[barren zephyr]

thank you

[left nacelle]

@last topaz It wouldn't make much sense to remove an animal from update 6 that already has some of its animations done and then replace it with an animal that doesn't even have a model yet

And on top of that, we already have two nocturnal venomous animals, would make sense to have one diurnal venomous one. That being megalania

[last topaz]

@left nacelle maybe I just like the ideea because the troodon seems like a really weak addition to the isle in general, but I can see where you are coming from

[left nacelle]

Wdym "weak addition"?

[last topaz]

I dunno, I don't like the dino a lot

[paper geyser]

troodon is solid

[paper oriole]

They have like at least 3 abilities/features crammed into troodon idk about it being a weak addition, mono and magy on the other hand kinda lookin like weak additions

[left nacelle]

Well the animal has a lot of design and stuff going behind it. It was intentionally designed to look like a human from a distance to make it creepy, I've heard it might get a mimic ability (can't remember if that's confirmed) they're weak on their own and strong in packs, and they're venomous

[paper geyser]

yes mimicry is still set for troodon

[left nacelle]

Gotcha. I keep thinking it's for ovi but I'm probably getting mixed up with Saurian's Anzu

[paper oriole]

ovi shoulda gotten it

[paper geyser]

incorrect

[left nacelle]

They could both get it

I love ovi, but I'm fine with it just running around with other peoples' eggs

[paper oriole]

Ovi atm looks like it has nothing special going for it meanwhile troodon already has at least nv and venom

[left nacelle]

We also don't know much about ovi

compared to troodon

[paper oriole]

Hopefully he doesnt stay just galli but small

[left nacelle]

Honestly, I'd still be fine with that lol. I'm easy to please

[paper oriole]

Meh seems a waste but thats just imo

[paper geyser]

ovi will have little use for mimicry since it'll be used for luring away or scaring away from a nest (which is a horrible idea because no parent with half a brain will leave their nest unattended knowing that there's a mimic egg thief out there). Troodon relies on luring and scaring anywhere, the dynamic doesn't change because people will always be looking for food/looking out for threats when out in the wild

[left nacelle]

True, but ovi could also use it for protecting it's own nest, and it's known for being a good parent irl. If you see a predator nearby, you could mimic a larger predator to scare it away

[paper geyser]

arguably a much less efficient use of it

[left nacelle]

True, but with troodon already having it, it wouldn't be hard to slap onto ovi too

[paper geyser]

not sure how i feel about sharing abilities

already not fond of both troodon and dilo having venom

maybe if there was some fundamental difference

for mimicry i mean

[left nacelle]

Well trike and carno will already be sharing abilities, since trike is confirmed to be getting a charge

Though it'll likely be very different since trike isn't speedy

[paper geyser]

well yeah but those are very different animals

yes that

[left nacelle]

iirc, troodon and dilo will also have very different venom so I don't see much of an issue with it

[paper geyser]

that's why i specified mimicry

it would be fine if ovi and troodon had different types of it

[left nacelle]

Oh yeah, I saw that but forgot you specified lol

Maybe ovi could only mimic large animals while troodon mimics smaller ones

[paper geyser]

that could work

ovi more for scaring and troodon more for luring

[left nacelle]

And I just got a small idea for mimicry from this convo. I'm gonna post it in #general-feedback

[wintry monolith]

@left nacelle did you mean base and not bass

[left nacelle]

No, I meant bass. Like sound

It's pronounced "base" but spelled bass

[wintry monolith]

Oh dident know that

[left nacelle]

Yeah it makes things kinda confusing sometimes cause you wonder why people are talking about fish lol

[wintry monolith]

Im from Sweden and bass here is the instrument so i fought bass=fish and the instrument and base is like the sound

[left nacelle]

Oh you pronounce the instrument the same way as the fish? Here in the US the fish is pronounced "bass" and the instrument and sound are pronounced "base"

[barren zephyr]

i didnt made a expensive feedback because its very simple.

[left nacelle]

It's been confirmed that spino will be getting a claw attack, and considering how bary's claws look, I'd be surprised if it didn't get one too

[barren zephyr]

yeah

but it would be cool if sucho's get a claw attack too

[left nacelle]

Well it most likely is, I don't know what other kind of attack it would have

Cause it's not just gonna have a bite and that's it, since none of the animals we know of are like that (Except ptera, but that's for good reason)

[left nacelle]

@last widget If you wanna have more primitive stuff, tribals are what you'll like. Mercenaries are modern humans who were brought to the island by Apollo Engineering. There likely will be supply drops and stuff, but guns and will be hard to come by, so surviving as a merc is more of using what you can find to defend yourself, not really gathering and crafting and stuff

[last widget]

@left nacelle yeah I see that, that's why I gave my first opinion cause ik how the devs will be taking it. I just said thought I would be cool but for weapons like forced to search buildings you know? Then get lucky find a military grade supply signal thing to throw outside and wait for.l so it's not so easy to turn the isle into cod but Merkin dinos lol

[left nacelle]

Yeah that'll likely be the case, mercs will rely on searching around The isle for weapons so i wouldn't be surprised if searching in buildings is a thing. Idk if calling in supply drop would be a thing tho cause iirc, AE doesn't really care about the merc's well being too much, so i doubt they would drop in supplies for them

[last widget]

Well damn, let's hope good guns are like impossible to get. But another idea is just to have certain places generate or a bunch of places in the depths of the deino filled swamp forced to adventure for guns lol.

Not impossible *

[left nacelle]

Well from what I've heard good guns will be rare, and ammo will be very limited, so even if you have a good gun, you're not gonna want to use it for every little animal you see, you'll want to save you ammo for when you're really in danger

If I get an AK and I have like 10 bullets, I'm not gonna shoot at the rex minding its own business in the middle of the field, I'd rather shoot at the utahraptor that's running towards me

[last widget]

Yeah that's good kinda like day z only a few clips, yeah cause when they add it their should be bullet drop and it also stops players from trying to go big game hunting.

[left nacelle]

Oh there's definitely gonna be bullet drop, Dondi has complained in the past about games not having bullet drop

Also mercs won't be eating dinosaurs, so them hunting them for food isn't a thing

[last widget]

So you don't think their will be even a little bit of crafting? Like simple campfires? Ok so no eating dinosaurs, what about actual fish tho.. like Idk i feel isle has a huge chance to make this like ark version except the isle? But its gonna be like fuck.. years before we get humans lol.

[noble pine]

Yes there will be.

[left nacelle]

Well the devs are hoping to have humans in before the end of the year, since they won't take as much new tech as the dinos

[noble pine]

I don’t remember if a dev said it but apparently tribals can craft simple items like spears and such.

[left nacelle]

And yeah there'll be a little crafting probably, but not as extensive as ark and stuff

We're talking about mercs tho

[noble pine]

Oh

You can probably do some basic upgrades to your weapons since you can loot for items.

[left nacelle]

Yeah you could probably find silencers and stuff. i can't see merc crafting going beyond making campfires or tents tho

[left nacelle]

Idk if we'll be able to eat fish, but I personally really want spearfishing for mercs. And I think the devs are kinda trying to lean away from Ark, I don't think they want the game to be that craft/build heavy

[noble pine]

I hope humans have a “food system”

[left nacelle]

Food system?

[noble pine]

But aren’t encouraged to eat constantly

Like yeah “eat this type of dinosaur meat” or “eat this type of plant” “eat this type of fish”

You get what I’m saying

Something to make you have to go out and hunt

[left nacelle]

Well eating dinosaurs won't be a thing, but it would be cool if different food gave you different benefits, kinda like Valheim

[noble pine]

Again, not constantly, don’t need kfs, but I think it would be neat

[last widget]

Hmm yeah I see mercs idk if they get lost in the middle of a jungle create a fire wait till morning, yeah I dont want the game to just be a build n craft type shit.. but I want it where you can craft some shit... like campfires or even torches... spears bows . You know for tribal or even merc use for fishing.

Like fish should be in their diet.

[left nacelle]

Dondi has said in the past that he hates the "doomforts" that you can make in Ark, so if there is building, it won't be as crazy as ark. iirc, all mercs can do is repair pre-existing buildings, but they're never safe cause there's laways a way for a dino to enter

[last widget]

Yeah valheim was decent, like add blue berry bushes etc but tbh I dont see that being like stable food as humans are apex predators literally and will eventually need meat.

[worn pumice]

didnt they something about like

utahs opening doors

[last widget]

Oh hell nah lmao

[left nacelle]

Oh yeah utahs will be able to open doors

[worn pumice]

thats pretty cool

i wonder what else could

[left nacelle]

I believe the example that Dondi gave was that weaker structures could be broken into by large animals and stronger structures could have small areas that small animals can sneak into

[worn pumice]

makes sense

[last widget]

I'm excited for a short film from the isle or the community, 2 Utah's break into kitchen.. 2 mercs hiding and they start calling like JP

[left nacelle]

I think the Magnaraptor will also be able to. iirc it was originally planned to be the only one who could

[worn pumice]

oh yea apperently theres like

a trailer for update 3

whenever it comes out

[left nacelle]

There will be

[worn pumice]

^

[last widget]

What oh man I cant wait to see it, but tbh I've been so desperate for the deino it's like ugh I want to be a croc... like dude.. crocodile will be so cool. Like specially if they have a swamp and a human building in the swamp except the water has risen but just enough humans walk waist high.

[left nacelle]

That would be cool

Not a bad suggestion

[worn pumice]

gonna ignore the croc when it comes out cuz theres gonna be way too many ppl playing it

[left nacelle]

I'm personally more excited for ptera

[last widget]

Yeah lots of people are what's weird is I dont give af for it, like yay birds... but like.. idk I want deino so bad and since I saw hope trailer... I'm like I'm gonna be a sweaty main deino player lmaoo

[left nacelle]

Lol. Deino is gonna make being near water really scary

[worn pumice]

i would be excited for a bigger pterasaur

such as quetz

[left nacelle]

Yeah quetz and/or hatzeg will be really cool

[worn pumice]

I have a feeling their gonna mix hatz bulkiness and quetz length and call it quetz

[last widget]

Screw quartz, well tbh I would be more excited for that also. But dude like people dont realize it, but once I'm deino and full grown dinos are and will be the apex for awhile.

Quetz

[worn pumice]

well the thing with deino is that its waterlocked

[left nacelle]

^^

[worn pumice]

its an apex but its a water locked apex

[left nacelle]

They'll be strong but if they're away from water they'll be in danger

[worn pumice]

^

ofc their not gonna be any weaker on land but their much more vunerable on land

if u play defensibly on land it should be fine

[left nacelle]

Yeah, they won't be as maneuverable

I think if you have more than one large animal attacking you on land tho you could be in trouble

If they play their cards right

[worn pumice]

yea pack hunters can kill a deino its not gonna be easy but it can be done

although smart deino wont be waddling on land anyways

[last widget]

I'm glad its water locked tbh, it's my fav gameplay sitting and waiting... cause I saw how things will ping for deino... but man.. like sitting and waiting bait prey to water with dead bodies .

[worn pumice]

those r the ones that die first

yea it being water locked is fine

since we have giga rex

spino

[left nacelle]

Smart deinos won't go past the mud line along the water unless they need to

[worn pumice]

^

[last widget]

Spino is what will make me nervous, I wont like the fact a spino may be able to just show up and kill all the deinos..

[left nacelle]

Spino will also be running on the bottom like a hippo, so if you're in really deep water you should be fine if you stay at the suface

[worn pumice]

i mean it wont be that easy on a 1v1 it will obviously have the upperhand

but like 2v1 you can probably kill the spino

[last widget]

Yeah also smart deinos wont go to the swamp for the first week of deino being released, cause the cannibalism .

[worn pumice]

^

[left nacelle]

I'll be avoiding the swamp as a ptera too lol

[worn pumice]

i mean spino is def gonna be slower then deino anyways

in the water that is

so it balances out

spino is like deino tho it can still take over a deinos territory but its usually a passive animal

[last widget]

Yeah spino for the isle I see more like JP spino, yeah deino tho I think we get the update this month no way in fuck their wating another month.

[left nacelle]

Yeah, we're supposed to be getting an open beta pretty soon

[last widget]

Thing is... wont be a passive dino if the player isnt passive.

[worn pumice]

we'll probably get it by the end of this month

yea ofc if the player isnt passive thats different

but overall you cant be very aggressive and chase things down as a spino

[last widget]

Open beta for what their lil team, I say they do their dummy testing once like yk its clean enough just release

[left nacelle]

nah, the open beta is to finally fix the desync and disconnect issues

[worn pumice]

its not fast, its quite massive and everyone can see and hear you

[left nacelle]

And it'll have the update 3 content in it

[worn pumice]

yea

thank god

DC's r the worst

absolute worst

[last widget]

Oh ok, yeah I dont dc much but I have audio sound bugs like I'll load and get no ambient noises.

[worn pumice]

yea audio issues r a known bug

[last widget]

So far the update 3 looks spice

[left nacelle]

Yeah that's not just you

[worn pumice]

like utahs making sitting noises after they die

sometimes the sounds r bugged

[last widget]

Or how about hearing bushes move around you if you're sitting

Lol

[worn pumice]

also things like baby utah making adult sitting noises

sounds r little bugged but

it should be fixed

hopefully

[last widget]

Yeah I cant wait for those fixes shit like that just annoys me enough I dont want to play it, like I played update 2 for a week before saying it was boring af. Like... idk I lost my first stego cuz I went to cross water and fell to the bottom and died of fall dmg.

[worn pumice]

^

same

although that bug is fixed now

i think

[left nacelle]

Wtf lol

Yeah it's fixed

[worn pumice]

yea

that was a major issue

i think i lost 2 stegos to that lol

im pretty sure its fixed tho

[last widget]

But when will they add underwater visuals? I'm assuming when update 3 comes.

[worn pumice]

havent gotten it ever

[left nacelle]

I've only played stego once and I lost it to a pack of utahs. Was my fault tho

[worn pumice]

i blame pounce

[left nacelle]

Yeah underwater stuff is being added. Do you read the dev blogs btw, @last widget ?

[worn pumice]

doing massive dmg in the span of like a few seconds

luckily its changing to bleed now

[last widget]

Yeah once I hit adult stego I was like what's up shitty sweaty Utah players, that's why I'm glad deino is coming.. to crap on them Utah players.

[worn pumice]

wonder how many utahs can pounce a deino

[left nacelle]

The most recent devblog said about how detailed the underwater ambiance alone is. It's crazy

[last widget]

I do read dev blogs normally, there is def a few I skipped but I've kept up with the recent ones.

[worn pumice]

wonder what kind of buffs teno is recieving

[last widget]

Just so much reading I wont remember, but I'm glad I wonder if deino will have better water vision then others

[worn pumice]

maybe a new attack

idk

[left nacelle]

Idk if it will, but it'll have the ability to detect vibrations

[worn pumice]

are the 2 bite animations still planned for deino

[left nacelle]

I don't tihnk it's getting any considering it's being downsized

[last widget]

Yeah I saw that on the streams, the pinging is pretty accurate and good.

[left nacelle]

Deino is getting a normal bite and lunge

[worn pumice]

no its being downsized but this is what punch said

[last widget]

Ok what about the eating animation for deino?

[left nacelle]

Oh nvm then lol

[worn pumice]

ye i was surprised too

didnt expect more buffs for teno

[left nacelle]

For deino's eat animation it bites onto the body and deathrolls

[worn pumice]

i can pull up the animation video if u wanna see it

[last widget]

Yeah I cant wait for that, kill a fat carno or stego.. I mean personally I can see deino possibly losing a 1v1 on land but if deino lunges out and hits yo u a few times.. like.. idk.. it will be interesting.

[left nacelle]

Oh yeah if deino can pull you into the water you're done for

[worn pumice]

i mean if stay by the water deino will be fine

the water is its home so nothing can kill it there

except other deinos

[last widget]

Thing is.. can deino pull in full adult stego or just juvies and sub adults?

Like deino is like massive to the stego

[left nacelle]

iirc, stgeo is gonna be doing most of the pulling punch said

[worn pumice]

it'll probably be able to pull in a full adult stego just very slowly

oh

ight then

if punch says that then it is what it is

[last widget]

Well fuck, ok so stego has more power..? Well that sucks..

[left nacelle]

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It makes sense tho, stego is pretty big, even if deino is heavy

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Yeah it's pretty huge but let's be real here, a deino 11k pounds of bite force bites that tiny head death rolls or even chomps down and drips and shakes on you ...like pip goes your head..

Idk maybe I'm to realistic.

Pop*

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Oh no it'll definitely be able to kill stego with a bite or two to the head, it just won't be able to easily pull stego into water lol

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this is what i found

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Like if deino and stego can 1v1 and full grown deino can pull in smaller stegos

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deino can def pull in smaller stegos

it does weigh 8 tons

so

this is just for pulling tho combat will be different

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Yeah I'm hoping they dont dunk on my boi the deino and make it a worthy killer, I also see it getting possible buffs.

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when its out and about on the beta and we test things maybe we can see if it needs changing

same with stego

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Considering oxygen will be redone, Deino will probably be able to kill anything it can pull into the water, as long as the water's deep enough

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is deino gonna have to drink water

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Yeah, but it's not gonna dehydrate if it's in the water

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ah

ok

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So it'll need to drink, but if it's in the water, its water bar won't go down

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makes sense

ik fish today get their water from other fishes in the ocean

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Which deino being water locked it probs will never go down lmao, but tbh I'll get deino then roleplay as one.

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i rly dont wanna see stego getting facetanked by deino

hopefully this isnt the case

i dont want deino to be weak either

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A stego would be better off running from a deino. I wouldn't wanna fight it

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stego is too fat and slow and it turns like a truck

it wont have enough time to run

its gonna have to fight

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Nah I think it could run. I don't see why a deino would chase it

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Idk I see lots of dead stegosaurus in the future , like idk if you fight deino well gl cuz isnt deino getting leg break?

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If a deino missed the lunge, that's the perfect time to run away from the water

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^ this up here just i cant be seen done

stego turns way too slowly

its gonna have to fight back

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Leg break isn't really gonna be a thing, it's full on bone break now. So if you wanna break something's leg, you'll actually need to bite their leg

[worn pumice]

oh fractures

i wonder if theres gonna be locational fractures

would be cool to see

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yeah there will be

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nice

tired of falling 1 ft from a rock and breaking bones

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Yeah instead of legacy as rex bites tip of tail = body breaks.

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lol

i hate legacy so much

i wanted to switch cuz more dinos but its so bad

i cant

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Oh yeah same, playing since 2k16 I'm finally bored of the game. Like the game is good legacy is dog shit evrima is good but boring af

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^

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I've been playing since 2015 and I haven't switched back to legacy since evrima came out, but I also haven't been playing the game much lol

[worn pumice]

^ same

i just rly hated legacy's combat a lot

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Even tho there's little to do in evrima, the quality of the animations and stuff makes it fun to just walk around lol

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Oh yeah and I totally agree, the sky box is what does it for me. Like the night omg to think I thought legacy's was good.

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def

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Evrima just feels more real

And over the course of updates it gets better and better and better

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yup

the only issue i have with evirma are the weightful animations

theres not much weight

a stego for like almost an etire second of its animations is literally off the ground

it feels like ur floating

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Yeah. Imo utah and hypsi's animations are the best weight wise tho

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^

the smaller dino animations r nice imo

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They are looking for another animator tho, so that likely won't be an issue in the future

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i hope so

actually i hope the older animations get tweaked a bit

carnos whole animation set in general feels strange

for locomotion

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Didnt they mention trying to get a new mapper?

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I think the whole weight thing is a reason they're looking for a new animator. Bryan uses his pet emu Gerry as reference for a lot of the animations, but emus are small compared to most animals in The isle so it doen't work for everything

Yeah they need a new mapper

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yup and punch said their very close to getting 0ne

so thats good news

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Dondi even said on his recent stream that he's only the mapper right now cause they don't have anyone better lol

[worn pumice]

wait so what does dondi usually do apart from managing the team/game

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He maps, and he's the one who controls story/lore

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Oh my lord, yeah rip dondi. I think in a stream he mentioned how everyone moans bout the map being all the same which I totally agree... like... full on.. like you know in ark when you are in this vast jungle and the new areas blend and that split point? I cant wait to see that in the isle being a dino seeing the slow shift of different biomes.

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desert

snow

forest

jungle

savannah

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We will be getting snow eventually, but it's gonna be on top of mountains

Dondi showed it recently

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i love snow so much

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Just wait till we get like.. snow creatures lol they could expand the snow and olhave saber toothsome etc

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lol

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I don't think that'll happen lol

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yea

probably no mammals

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Gross saber

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wth i searched saber on gifs

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Yeah mammals would not work at all lol

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not what i expected

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owo

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401464048610312195/819006002833522778/theisleihateyou.gif

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Okay, the weight based fractures are great, but I'm still against permanent fractures

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perm debuffs shouldnt be a thing

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^

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whether injuries bleed, fractures etc

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Permanently being forced to live as a cripple and hobble around sounds awful

[worn pumice]

it would just be bad for game play

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If perm debuff are a thing, they should be minimal

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Like albino or something

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fracture =/= limping around

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the only perm debuff i can see being okay is cometic things

such as perm marks or scars

or skin changes

things like that

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Something that doesn't directly impact gameplay

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perm scars won't be a thing devs have said. Causes server lag trying to keep track of every player's scars

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Ohhh that makes sense

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But permanent debuffs or not being able to walk again isn't fun

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yea i remember don saying he was gonna add locational scars but not permanent ones

idk if thats still coming

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Technically being an elder is a permanent debuff since you slowly get weaker and then just die

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Well, that's gradually

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But you chose to become one and you will be rewarded

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elder be different tho

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Yeah I know, it was a joke lol

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I wonder of elders would have raspy calls as they grow older

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would be cool

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Probably not, but it would be cool

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i mean its possible tbh

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Maybe rather than a raspy call they could have slight growl to their call

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idk if they'll add it tho

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I just want more to kinda distinguish them from normal adults

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^

some look very similar

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So they stand out in a group

Yeah

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Well they're already gonna be up to 10%-15% bigger than normal adults

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yea

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Like I couldn't notice the difference in the deino elder model

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punch said it would be 5%-15% depending on the dino

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So ot might just be size yeah

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distinguishing an elder is very important

that way u can know whether you should either go for the elder or run from it depending how old it is

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Yes, a fresh elder be strong and an old elder is slowly declining

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I think that's what makes elders scary tho. Not knowing if they're super strong or super weak

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Ohhhhh yeah thats true

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yea that will def be a thing to worry about

ur gonna be unsure if its a strong elder or a weak one about to die

elder teno is my fav model so far

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Very exciting

Yesss! Looks so good

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it does

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I was kinda hoping for like, a little bigger horns on elder carno

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same but we r gonna have hyper carno so

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Yeah but not like hypo long, but just thicker or something

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i mean

it seens to have bigger horns

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Oh nvm

Yeah it's good

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they seem much more sharper and thicker

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Yeah

Excited for how elder deino is gonna turn out

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same

oh wait

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Do you think the elder will be seemless growth, or push a button to engage growing old?

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the model is already made

eh

i mean

i think its just on its own

u just over time grow into it

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That would make sense

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and then die at the end of old age

if u made it that far

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There already is a juvo to elder seemless morph of utah

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then u get perks

yea

is it just me or does like

elder utah looks sort of

strange

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Its

Funky looking

I dont know if I like the arched back

It's weird and just looks off

It looks like they took adult utah and gave it some extra padding on its nose and back

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yea

its a little funky

like the video makes it seem strange

its probaby a WIP tho

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Yeah it looks weird in the video

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like this elder utah looks good

yea

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Yeah

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i think its WIP

since its a new model

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I like the big claws

Thats what I was hoping for

Big claws

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yea it has bigger claws

its gets bulkier overall

all the elder do

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elder utah just looks more deformed and malnourished than adult utah, a little disappointing imo

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elder utah in the video looks strange

like here in this picture it looks fine imo

not saying its perfect or anything

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i don't see why it suddenly got scoliosis

it's just

idk, feels like they ran out of ideas so started deforming the models and calling them elders

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no most of the models r good

utah is the only one that i dont like too much

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Whys elder stegos spikes like, look rounded

Dull

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deino as well, deinos elder model is nice it just looks very similar to the normal adult

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I couldn't tell the difference

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its cuz the texture isnt completely finished