general-feedback-discussion

[worn pumice]

even if their supposed to

[wooden drift]

Haha.

[worn pumice]

not everyone is like that tho obviously

[cyan flame]

That's pretty accurate I think Happy, most people don't take well to being told what to do by someone else :p

[worn pumice]

yup

[paper oriole]

tbh i cant blame people for starting fights against a player who 3 calls, the 3 call on like every dino sounds like its out for blood. they should add a warning call or just make it so tapping the 3 call growls or snorts while holding it does the current warcry

[wooden drift]

And lord help you if you dared to 3 call the “superior Rex player” because he’s not staying out of your bubble, yet isn’t there to kill you.

[cyan flame]

I once threatened a tenno off my food bush as stego, and he still had to tailslam me in the face once before leaving, because apparently just going quietly wasn't an option :p

[wooden drift]

Man, I’ve even suggested more vocal options before. A difference between a threaten and challenge call for example

[cyan flame]

More vocal options would be nice

[wooden drift]

All I got as a response was the

[worn pumice]

there should be a warning call honestly

[wooden drift]

Where is it hold on

[worn pumice]

its not a cry for help like a 4 but its a call just saying "oh theres danger"

[cyan flame]

To be fair, right now there's no point in surviving

So why would you back off

[worn pumice]

true

nothing rn to do except fight honestly

[wooden drift]

I got a shit ton of responses with the

[worn pumice]

lol

[wooden drift]

Which is frustrating.

[paper oriole]

there could be two versions of each call easily really. a danger call vs a cry for help. a warning growl vs an attack roar. a friendly call vs a group invite

[worn pumice]

anytime u post something in feedback expect to be hated at all times

[worn pumice]

the friendly call and grp inv call should already be a thing honestly

[wooden drift]

Watch out, if your suggestion goes against the will of the lord the followers will immediately burn you at the stake.

[paper oriole]

yea it sucks i cant friendly call another player to let them know im chill without sending an invite

[worn pumice]

the isle lol

[paper oriole]

or 3 call group mates for fun anymore

since they doing that

[wooden drift]

Mhm

[worn pumice]

i hate when a baby 2 calls me and i have to decline by 3 calling at it lol

[paper oriole]

yea i feel that system wasnt exactly well thought out lol

[cyan flame]

I just use the chat/basic call to show neutrality, but with chat making the same noise, most people seem to be worried I'm planning something.. :p

[wooden drift]

I don’t think it should be a “tap or hold”, just more options. Either using 1-9 on the keyboard or a wheel? Idk

[cyan flame]

The call to group is cool, and I like the idea, but yeah, maybe they could revise how they did it a bit

[wooden drift]

And I know that’s “something path of titans does”, but they use emotes.

[worn pumice]

emotes r coming for the isle in the future

such a trike rubbing its horns on a tree for example

[wooden drift]

I’m much less concerned about emotes, and more vocal options

[worn pumice]

i really think implementing a danger and help call would help

sometimes you dont always wanna cry for help but u just wanna say oh theres something nearby

[wooden drift]

i.e. I’d like to have a way to tell someone “get out of my space” without invoking a fight or having to type that.

A list of “ideas” I can think of is
-broadcast
-friendly
-attract (group with same species)
-threaten (get out of my bubble)
-challenge (fight me.)
-danger (somethings coming!)
-help

[paper geyser]

it would be a more specific thing but

i think that would ruin the fun

[wooden drift]

How so?

[paper geyser]

in real life animals just have a few sounds, how they interpret that is up to them. Having specific "fuck off" and "fight me" calls would make that fall apart

and yeah yeah i know it's not meant to be realistic, but i think that aspect is nice

[wooden drift]

I get that, but that’s a scenario of ruining the fun for either or

[paper oriole]

not really, there are definitely different levels of aggression from animals wanting to be left alone or about to attack

[wooden drift]

Besides, I HIGHLY doubt the people who just want blood would care either way.

[warm ridge]

Separating an agressive call between back off and come at me sounds weird

[paper geyser]

i just don't like the idea of having too many calls. Also puts extra stress on devs to come up with additional calls which are already hard to make

[paper oriole]

idk some people do accept challenges when offered and leave others alone, not a big base that does that though i dont think lol

[wooden drift]

In terms of “ruining the fun”, it’s not all that fun if you want someone out of your space and suddenly that fight is thrust upon you.

If that’s fun for you, fair play. But it’s not my cup of tea

[paper geyser]

if they choose to fight you that's now your problem. I doubt a different call would change that

if they approach and you 3 call it would be common sense that you don't want them near

[cyan flame]

I don't think having double the amount of current calls would be too many. At least not if they all have a use, which we could work out most likely.

[wooden drift]

I’ve had cases where someone snaps to me, but it just ends with “why’d you challenge me?”
“I didn’t. You waltzed right up to me, why wouldn’t I 3 call?”

Iunno

[paper geyser]

double the amount of calls is crazy

[warm ridge]

This

[paper geyser]

creating 5 with multiple variations for each dinosaur is already hard enough, but 10? That's insane

there's only so much you can make without getting repetitive

[wooden drift]

The list I made is a rough idea, to clarify. My main concern is the 3 calling really

[paper geyser]

look at deino for example. Its calls pretty much sound the same already, try distinguishing between 10 of those

[wooden drift]

Couldn’t really find the words before, but, I disagree on it making no change. A lot of my encounters due to 3 calling ended up with the clarification that it was misinterpreted as a challenge.

[cyan flame]

We have four calls currently, double that would be eight. And you could modify some so it'd be five to six I would guess. I don't see how that's crazy or anything honestly. At least not if we're talking use of them and all. Sure, some might be iffy when it comes to difference cause they make very few noises, but even so, it's not just sound, it's length, and all that too. Sure, it would be a lot of work, but, well, so is a whole lot of other stuff in this game to be honest.

[paper geyser]

eh i still don't like the idea, but it's certainly more feasible than 10 calls for each animal

[warm ridge]

An agressive call is an agressive call, separating and giving it different names won't change that, people will still respond with more aggression

[paper geyser]

5, including f call, 10 including variations for press times

[warm ridge]

it's just a player problem

[paper geyser]

you severely underestimate the difficulty of sound designing

[wooden drift]

I know it can be a pain in the ass.

[cyan flame]

F call is just a chat call, it's not used. And broadcast would probs not need anything, though slight difference between male and female would be nice. As for variations for press time, technically, that could be used for what we're thinking probably. And no, I'm not making an estimation at all, I'm arguing purely out of "would this be useful/good/neccesary", not the amount of time or work. Is it worth it, maybe, maybe not, but I'm just looking at if it would be a good in and of itself or not.

[wooden drift]

I said before, the list is just a rough idea. I’m no developer.
But also the list only added variants to the 2, 3, and 4 calls

[paper geyser]

think of how many are in the roster, 40 nearing 50? Not including the ones that will be added later on. Even without the f call variation that's still 9 calls per animal. At the middle ground it would be 405 calls in total, which is an absolutely ridiculous expectation

[cyan flame]

You could make the short threaten call more of a warning call, with held being the "I'm very pissed off at you", same for friendly, or even danger call. Short danger call for warning, long for "Someone save me!" And so on.

[wooden drift]

My main want is a distinction in aggressive calls and whether you’re “telling them off” and challenging them.

Want? Idk

Likely just text misinterpretation, but at this point this is just turning into the kind of discussion I hoped to avoid.

[wooden drift]

It was never an expectation. Just an idea that I thought would be nice

[cyan flame]

Yeah, we have a whole bunch of critters, some we probably don't need in the first place :p Some who gets stuff they probably don't even need, such as growth or elders and so on. All with their own stuff. If we're talking about work and time and all that. And if it's too much to expect, that's fine, I never said it had to be done or anything, merely that I would like to see more calls/ways to communicate.

[paper geyser]

not you

[wooden drift]

However I’ll just leave it at that

[paper geyser]

you did say double the current number of calls would be nice, i'm just saying it isn't feasible

[wooden drift]

Double is a high ask, yeah. I’ll refer to the new suggestion penguin made

[cyan flame]

Yes, it would be nice. I did not say I expected it, merely that I would like it. As for feasibility, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. You're free to think it's way too much, and I'm free to think that it might not be.

[wooden drift]

I mean, they already have the groundwork for what @paper oriole suggested.

With Utah you used to be able to tap or hold 3 call too, for a hiss or a screech

[paper geyser]

penguin's suggestion is actually bomb

[wooden drift]

Might just be my audio but rn both just hiss.

It may make things easier, too. Example is Utah again. Make a warning a hiss, full on challenge/aggression is the legacy kind of roar

[warm ridge]

Yeah tapping or holding calls to make your message more clear sounds cool and gives more expression to players

[cyan flame]

Only question is, how would you deny an invite without being aggressive about it? :p

[paper geyser]

remake the entire damn mechanic

it's horrible

[warm ridge]

Just give em a button to accept or deny lmao

[paper geyser]

a terrible attempt at realism

like

i get it

it's cool you make sounds

but it's so bad for gameplay

[paper oriole]

guess you can growl to deny since its basically the "leave me alone" call if it got in lol

[cyan flame]

True, so long friendly for invite, short unfriendly for reject then. Would work I guess

[paper oriole]

not the "i'll rip your throat out" call we have now

[cyan flame]

It does feel mean to threaten call little stegos :p

[warm ridge]

I think there's some things that are just better simpler

Just make it a menu thing

[cyan flame]

As long as we don't go back to legacy group invite/system we're good :p

[paper geyser]

literally anything is better than what we have in evrima now

menu system wasn't bad at all

it's a game

it doesn't need in-universe explanations for things

just let us group up

[warm ridge]

sometimes gamey is better

more intuitive

[cyan flame]

Be that as it may, I find it silly that you can invite when the person is not there with you. Also something about meta gaming, which can still happen but at least now you have to put in some sort of effort. Group chat should work like local, or really, only have local. No sense in me not understanding what a fellow stego is saying really.. :p

[warm ridge]

If you don't wanna be able to invite from player list just make it like a species chat thing

so you'd see your species talking in local and be able to click their name in chat to invite or something like that

[cyan flame]

That's an interesting idea

[wooden drift]

oo mebbe?

[dense wagon]

carno and utah definitely have fast paced gameplay
stego and teno is moderately fast paced because they still have a lot of predators to avoid

deino is gonna be slow paced cause it can chill in the water most of the time
ptera can fly, so it doesn't have that much to worry about either

[zenith mason]

Carno is rough tbh. With utahs in my experience there is a lot more kinship/working together. Of course I've ran into cannibal utahs but the general pack nature of them mixed in with the fact they kinda need help taking down most things means you are generally just much safer as a utah.

Carnos on the other hand are the greatest danger to other carnos. I sure hope when we get new dinos this changes a bit. Wish there was a leave me alone call so you could tell the difference between wanting to kill someone and just not wanting another dino near you.

[twin prawn]

Is the alligator out yet

[paper oriole]

No

[jade schooner]

Wrong chat

[paper oriole]

Changyuraptor >>> Yi-Qi and Archaeopteryx

[vestal field]

Accurate^

I just meant for something smaller but i would prefer Changy

[paper oriole]

Or Shanag since he is so fragmentary and has funny name

[vestal field]

Like a flying snack for ptera

Lol

[wooden drift]

Gliding to another tree and you get snatched up by a Ptera and cry

[vast wolf]

small areboreal gliders that eat bugs and are nothing more than sky compys arent very fun or worth putting in.

a tiny pterosaur is another thing entirerly.

[kindred flare]

@wooden drift whats wrong with fast paced. Otherwise its incredibly boring with the limited current player count. The combat os great. Better then legacy's apex utahs aside from the stego tail glitch. The speeds of the animals feel more alive. As in they fell like they are running for a purposes, that being either chasing down or running away from predators/prey

[paper oriole]

Changyu or shanag are closer to velo size so they might be viable but as far as “wanting to play as a bat” a small pterosaur is def more spot on

[kindred flare]

Plus the combat feels exhilerating like actual fighting would be and it isnt pretty much fully stat biased ^^

[paper oriole]

And as far as slower playstyles go im sure things lime anky, trike and deino will suit that well enough at least assuming they don't ruin anky's playstyle as much as they did his model

Which is, a walking tank that doesnt have too many predators to worry about and will obliterate you with his ass mace ezpz but is too slow to pursue and be toxic

[wooden drift]

After catching input from someone earlier who did somewhat agree w/ me, I've chalked it up to a case of personal taste.

[celest furnace]

Ok, I’ve never seen anyone talk about this, but, does styracosaurus sound like a good addition to the game?

[mental sleet]

Validate it's existence, and it might.

[celest furnace]

Wdym?

Do you mean that rubeosaurus thing

[mental sleet]

"Does X animal sound like a good addition to the game?" Well, you'd have to explain why it should be in the game, what it brings to it that would be worth the time investment.

If you can do this, then yes, it would be a good addition to the game.

[celest furnace]

But that’s my question. Idk if it should be added, which is why I’m asking everyone

If people think it shouldn’t be added then I’m not gonna write another paragraph that might be accepted

[jade schooner]

Me and a few other older members have talked about it.
It is a “likely” addition due to it being part of the planned roster years ago. But like many other old dinosaurs that didn’t make it to legacy, is in the backburner.
It’s not a priority

[celest furnace]

Which is why I came here first, to see if there is community acceptance first

[celest furnace]

Ok! Cool! Ty!

[jade schooner]

A while ago in a random Don stream he said it’s in the back burner, not scrapped, but gathering dust until they think it’s worth adding. I believe someone mentioned Jake wanted to make a model for it

[celest furnace]

Awesome! That would be really cool!

Idk much about it so would it be similar to a dibble playstile, or something else?

[jade schooner]

To give it a fair spot in the game it should be slightly upsides, I’ve thought about it being in a 2pack with Pachyrhinosaurus (another stored dino waiting). Where they could be around the same size, (Styraco is smaller tho) playing similar but different weaponry, one a sharp stabbing bleeder and the other a blunt shocker and breaker.

Being these two around the category for the large tier-pseudo apexes

While dibble is more mid-large tier.
I feel dibble could be a maneuverable fighter, with its main ability (due to the shape of its horn) to pick (if small enough) and throw off their attackers. And a “fast” flurry attack (shaking their head around).

Meanwhile both Styraco and Pachyrhino are more in the charging department.

Making dibble not the fastest ceratopsian in run, but more able to move and turn with ease. While these other two, while having a faster run, they can’t turn as well.

That’s my take

Others could disagree

In real life both Diablo and Styraco are the same size iirc

While pachyrhinosaurus smalest species is around the same as Diablo and Styraco, their largest one is fairly larger close to the “smallest” triceratops

[left nacelle]

@jagged heath Ptera's run is already really slow. Unless you're talking about the running take off, which is being reworked anyway

I agree with the slower air turn tho, the other stuff I don't agree with

[celest furnace]

@jade schooner Thats an awesome idea! You should post that in #general-feedback! I think it would be a great addition! I thought proto and Ava were going to be the fastest, but I may be wrong. I’d REALLY like to see styraco, proto, and pachyrhino in the isle as ceratopsians, they’re really cool, proto is much closer to being confirmed tho. Ty for all your help!

[jade schooner]

Might do it in another moment

[dense wagon]

nice idea, but what's the point of both styraco and pachyrhino if they'll be pretty much the same animal

[paper oriole]

Styraco and pachyrhino the same? how?

Pachyrhino is a bonebreaker, styraco would likely focus on powerful hits with strong bleed and basically just be a stronger diablo with less agility

Or perhaps focus on massive raw damage while diablo was a bleeder

[jade schooner]

I mean as both main ability being a charge. Both their headset would revolve around that. One being a high damage impaler, while the other tho not as high damage, still strong and a high bone breaking effectiveness.

You should read what I said before, it’s quite clear

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr honestly man, there's some things you should really just be forced to learn when it's too late, or have to ask the other players. I feel that overeating, pounce bucking and no abilities in the water are a handful of such things, cant be handfed all the games instructions i feel

[urban flax]

I'm not against having every interaction hinted with a "Press [E] to do that" but I wish you could disable them.

[paper oriole]

Humans should grow from infant stage and take 18 hours to represent 18 years it takes to reach adulthood

[urban flax]

yes

[paper oriole]

Spawn babies over the deadly mutant dinosaur island on parachutes

Babies with pocket knives and one jar of gerber

[urban flax]

I wanna roleplay as a little girl who has been raised by utahraptors

[paper oriole]

Mowgli but its raptors, cerato and a theri instead of wolves, a panther and a bear

[urban flax]

Actually it's fun because 18 hours for human growth isn't too far-fetched
Do you know of any other animal who takes about 20 friggin years to reach adulthood ?

[paper oriole]

Nop humans are just wack like that

[urban flax]

Who the hell designed those things --'

[paper oriole]

A cruel god governing a cruel universe

Our aging doesnt even balance us we're too op

18hr growth to justify bazookas and rocket launchers blowing up rexes lmao

Somebody gotta mod human baby stage into the game some day

[urban flax]

That's definitely gonna happen

But question is : will it happen before or after raptor boobs ?

[paper oriole]

Probably around the same time as anthro strains

[urban flax]

Gosh it took me 3 minutes to find that damn emote

[paper oriole]

Different sizes between the two genders would just end up causing the larger option the massively outnumber the other.
Also if there ever becomes the option for fat/thin or slight size variation for individuals it'd probably be best to connect it to their health status

Like afk growers get smaller sized full adults, starving players look thinner, consistently well fed dinos are thiccer etc

[idle ibex]

that just sounds like something to give you a worse creature if your luck isnt on par with others

[reef lynx]

I'd like the "thickness" of the dino to reflect your diet as well. As for the sliders, they should only be very slight. Not as in "monster size" or "miniature size".

[idle ibex]

finding food and your diet food will probablly involve some luck aswell as fighting over the food, alot of people get this dont like fighting and rather nest and herd in large numbers. making different sizes and things like being thinner when your starving seems like something that would inevitably end up with people requesting that to give stat changes

[paper oriole]

Afk growing is a choice not bad luck

[idle ibex]

while afk growing shouldnt be optimal, it should only make you have to grow for a longer period of time

[paper oriole]

Diets may have luck involved

But choosing to do the bare minimum is a choice

[reef lynx]

Alternatively, just add the size difference per default. Males being slightly larger than females, but no stat change. Should be purely aesthetic unless we're talking diet. I guess it'd add some spice if you had to go out of your way to find the good food.

[idle ibex]

slight size changes is fine, as long as stat changes are not present in some genders. sexual dimorphism is something they want ingame

[reef lynx]

I wasn't aware but that's very good news. Giving the sizes stat changes would be silly, everyone would choose the max slider ...

[idle ibex]

i mean who wouldnt want to be a fatass crocodile with a billion health, its just that wouldnt be very liked cause of the inbalance with the amount of health it would have :/

[reef lynx]

My suggestion should be purely for looks for exactly that reason. Imagine the bulky deino army ...

[urban flax]

If you increase the size of something, you increase its speed as well

[paper oriole]

Only diff between the two genders should be crest/horn/frill/dewlap sizes or shapes, colours and feathers tbh

Otherwise people would just choose big chunky thicc maia mom or giga daddy based on size even if it didnt affect stats

[reef lynx]

It shouldn't be thicc-thicc. Nor should it be tiny-tiny, but only to add slight variation

[safe galleon]

feels like it'd break some animations

like a minmi burrowing into the ground wouldn't fill the entire hole if it was slimmer and would then be easier to spot

[paper geyser]

size customisation is a big fat nono

it would either be too noticeable that it'd impact gameplay (e.g. making your model small and thus hiding easily) or it'd be so subtle that there'd be no point in adding it

[urban flax]

@barren zephyr I assure you they wish they could fix the lighting, but that'd probably break something else

[barren zephyr]

Cant they like go back to the version before the maintenance update

Kind of like

[urban flax]

No, they can't
I'm not even sure that would fix the bugs

[barren zephyr]

I don't know I'm not programmer

They are planning to delete Legacy anyway, and yea more updates would just break more stuff.

Like just go back to the original code or something

Legacy's source code is horrible

It used to be fine for years

Just delete the stuff the inserted

TO my knowledge it was sabotaged

Seems like it

So everyone is forced to play evrima

[urban flax]

No x)

[barren zephyr]

No, Legacy is still playable on some servers.

The lighting and ambiance is still shit but on some servers it isnt a complete lagfest

It just looks awful that's what I'm trying to say

[urban flax]

From what I know, a single dev used to make the code for the entire game back in the days, but some day he had to leave the team, got angry and sabotaged his code (which was already hard to read for everyone else)

[barren zephyr]

Im not gonna deny that

Current Evrima is super unbalanced and unplayable

Well this dev left the game in a playable state

Im playing on Legacy rn

[urban flax]

But almost impossible to work with

[barren zephyr]

It was hard to read but it was fine until they released this shitty maintenance update

That's why they started developing evrima

Yea the devs wer ekinda nagry that people were having fun with Legacy

Exactly

But

I still love this game

[urban flax]

They started developing evrima long before legacy broke

[barren zephyr]

And want it to succeed

And whenever i see youtubers call it shit it kinda breaks my heart

Because it used to be awesome

It looked amazing

It felt amazing

Alot of people are gonna call it shit rn because it is actually in a shitty condition

And it was like that for literal years

So I reccomend for people who are looking to try the game to wait for a few months

Until they released the maintenance update

I mean

Whenever u buy the game

U install the legacy version

So legacy is still the face of the game

Wont be for long

With the majority of the playerbase playing it

I expect Legacy to be deleted this year

[urban flax]

Yeah the Isle is in a bad spot rn, that's why devs are working as fast as they can to make evrima appealing

If legacy was still any good, evrima would still be in closed access for devs only currently

[barren zephyr]

Might be in late summer, might be somewhere in fall, might be at the end of the year

As fast as they can?xD

I mean

But devs said it would be deleted ''very soon''

[urban flax]

I hope legacy will be deleted this year, because that would mean evrima has become close to completion

[barren zephyr]

We had to updates so far

Two updates

Have a look at path of titans and how much they have done

[urban flax]

You don't watch dev streams, do you ?

[barren zephyr]

I do

And I constantly check the roadmap

And constantly watch the isle news channels

[urban flax]

Then you should understand that what they are doing is much more complex than PoT adding new dino clones regularly

[barren zephyr]

Whenever I cant watch the streams

I agree with that too. The explanation for their torpidity is that they want to make the two new playstyles as perfect and enjoyable a spossible. Hopefully they live up to that promise.

[urban flax]

So far it looks on par with what they promised

[barren zephyr]

Well that's true I cant deny that

But

What worries me is that they dont know whats causing the desync and DC and thats ruining the game

Everyone is still playing legacy

[urban flax]

That's why they plan on doing a beta for update 3

[barren zephyr]

And while they are working on the evrima version

Just make legacy playable again

They cant

But why did they ruin it in the first place

[urban flax]

Well they could, but it'd take them months only to fix bugs
And they couldn't work on evrima during that time

[barren zephyr]

Because people were hacking to become Hypos

[urban flax]

As I said, code is broken

[barren zephyr]

Yeah then let everyone have fun

[urban flax]

That's not the issue

You just can't let people hack into your game, whatever the reason or the goal is.

[barren zephyr]

It has done wonders when it comes to advertising

[urban flax]

But it's been advertising for chinese servers that make you pay to play op dinos

[barren zephyr]

Well since Chinese servers with fake numbers are still a thing so

Also a bunch of chinese server botting

I mean

The only noticable difference

Is the broken lighting

So I felt like posting my opinion

[urban flax]

Look, all they did was prevent hacking and fix one animation. It broke lighting, hitboxes and a lot of other animations. Do you realize what could happen if they tried to fix the lighting now ?

[barren zephyr]

Because I love this game

Thats fine

But teh problem is that they cant

Yeah well

You aren't a game dev

Me neither

[wary sparrow]

You can‘t change anything in legacy without breaking other unrelated stuff due to bad code

[barren zephyr]

They said that they cant

Do you believe every single word?

I sure dont

[wary sparrow]

So Let’s be grateful that the biggest issue since the hotfix is bad lighting

[barren zephyr]

They are a game dev, Im not. Nobody except them knows exactly how messed up the code is.

[wary sparrow]

You obviously can not trust what they are telling you, but if adding things to legacy would be so easy then why would we have evrima ?

[barren zephyr]

Well I mean

I dont want to get banned

But I'm still going to say it

Dondi kind of has a history when it comes to starting things from scratch

[wary sparrow]

Why would you get banned ? We are just explaining to you why your wish will probably never be granted due to legacy just being a mess

[barren zephyr]

Just deleting old concepts and restarting because he doesnt realy know what he 3ants

Evrima is great dont get me wrong

[urban flax]

Creating something consists of a lot of scrapping things then starting over

[barren zephyr]

I dont like Dondi but no matter what he wanted they just couldnt continue working on that mess

[urban flax]

That doesn't mean you don't know what you want at all, it's the opposite

[barren zephyr]

Welllll is it really

[urban flax]

It is even more when you work with a team

[barren zephyr]

Have u guys heard of single player primal carnage

I forgot what it was called

U know what forget it

[urban flax]

Deathground ?

[wary sparrow]

I mean if legacy could be still easily worked on to create the vision that dondi wants why would he waste so many resources on a new version of the game that still has the same vision

[barren zephyr]

No

Primal carnage genesis

A game that was never released

I feel like I'm getting closer and closer to getting banned

U can do your own research if you want to

All I'm saying is that dondi never has a clear view of what he wants

[wary sparrow]

No nothing in the rules states that you can‘t say what you think

People say a lot of offensive stuff here and don’t get banned

But to end it here legacy will be deleted in the near future anyway so you won’t have to deal with ugly trees and streamers won’t get a bad impression when playing the game for the first time

[safe galleon]

introducing new players to legacy as a first impression is pretty bad

[barren zephyr]

Thank u

[safe galleon]

just shows the old broken version

[barren zephyr]

That's what i mean

Just make evrima the one to show up first

Or fix the gosh darn lighting

Introducing them to Evrima rn is also bad too lol. The game is not very new player friendly

But if u cant

Mostly because both versions are a mess rn

It sure is more new player friendly than legacy

[wary sparrow]

That‘s a problem with both versions. They need to work on new player introductions

[barren zephyr]

Nah, atleast in Legacy there are some playable servers. If I was a new player and I lost my dinosaur to either DC or Desync, I would be turned off.

Well that's also true

Hmmm

Maybe that's just how it is

[urban flax]

Thankfully dcs are their main concern atm

[barren zephyr]

And there is now way to make new players like the game at the moment

It should be

We just have to wait

DC and desync shouldve been their main concern from the get go

[urban flax]

Fixing DCs is basically why they want to make a beta for update 3

[barren zephyr]

Sure it stalls Update 3, but it increases Evrimas playablity to keep the community going as they can work patiently on their Update.

[celest furnace]

@vale pawn I think they should have blood AND have feathers come off Like when birds struggle, they loose feathers and the rest of the feathers are ruffled and torn

[glad dirge]

@barren zephyr I like the idea of drawing people to the beach, but I'm not sure the use of semi-toxic water pools. It's gonna be something bigger or better, because it just seems smarter to me to just go play inland, even if I was a dimetrodon

[paper geyser]

i'm not fond of the idea of adding new animals in general

the roster is already close to being saturated, we should be suggesting that they remove animals

[barren zephyr]

Well I just don’t see it being able to survive for long inland because of like everything about it but I thought the beach could be used as some sort of a short term food and water supply for juvis

[safe galleon]

@frozen scroll choosing your spawn is a thing

[still raptor]

@frozen scroll Are you referring to Legacy or Evrima?

[barren zephyr]

Yeah that’s already a thing

[vestal rune]

also with the new spawn system where you get airdropped in I think it'll be option to spawn in with your friend

[ashen wasp]

Evrima creatures are all created from scratch-- they use systems and animations and models that Legacy just isn't prepared for. It wouldn't be as simple as just porting Deinosuchus over-- and besides, the days of substantial Legacy updates are more or less over, anyways.

[final narwhal]

Thats sad to hear, but the isle had more dinos in there, can the devs put them back in?

[urban flax]

That's precisely what they are doing

[hybrid matrix]

yes
however this will mean that the game goes splat because the code is so fucking awful that even bug fixes are like a game of whack-a-mole

oih

oh*

wait

u meant smthn else didnt u

[final narwhal]

Ye xD

[hybrid matrix]

ok my point still stands

but seriously

[final narwhal]

Like these days where already a pternadon was in and such others :p

[hybrid matrix]

if the devs try to update legacy it becomes a game of whack-a-mole
they fix one thing, something else breaks, on and on and on for the rest of time
whack-a-bug

[final narwhal]

Ye ok i understand

[odd sedge]

Last time I checked velociraptor wasn't able to fly

[vestal rune]

I saw a hypothesis that subadult deinonychus could glide from tree to tree

[low flame]

i think i mentioned this yesterday but i strongly agree with this

[paper geyser]

yeah i remember someone saying something like that, might've been you

[noble pine]

Every animal on the roster has a purpose in the game

Most have asked for things like magy to be removed but it’s just not going to happen

The devs have told us several times they all serve a purpose

[odd sedge]

I personally doubt that

[paper geyser]

we'll see when they're all implemented in 1.0

[low flame]

not really. Alberto, monoloposaurus, rugops, homocephalae can all be removed and nothing important wil be lost

[vestal rune]

I don't think it's impossible

[noble pine]

You can’t say that when they aren’t released yet

We don’t even know how any of them work since they aren’t on the roadmap

[vestal rune]

alberto? the mid tier is already incredibly low in numbers, removing alberto would make it worse

and imo having mid tier predators is very important so they can contest growing apexes past the juvenile stage

[noble pine]

Alberto is the sub rex niche that everyone’s loves to play in legacy

[odd sedge]

There are raptors/dinos that could glide from tree to tree, why would you try and push the velo into that category when that most likely didn't happen

[low flame]

we can speculate based off their real life counterparts, and their plans for them, or their lack of plans for them rather.

[barren zephyr]

I'd replace Alberto with some lesser known medium sized Tyrannosaur such as Bistahieversor or perhaps Eotyrannus (though the latter is smaller and is essentially a rex stuck as a juvie)

[vestal rune]

ye I think they're just trying to come up with a reason to make velo not just be a worse troodon

[noble pine]

Comparing anything in this game to their real life counter parts is pretty moot. Not telling us what they have planned doesn’t mean they aren’t planning

[odd sedge]

Fair point

[low flame]

are you kidding me? we have allo, cerato, sucho, megalania, and carno

[vestal rune]

that's not gonna happen, dondi loves ablerto

[vestal rune]

cerato, sucho, megalania and carno are not mid tiers

[noble pine]

Sucho? Lmao, cerato, Carno and mega aren’t mid tiers

[low flame]

we dont need allo, alberto and t rex in the game at the same time

[noble pine]

[low flame]

they literally are

[noble pine]

Are you...

[barren zephyr]

I'd use mid tier to refer to anything larger than a Utah.

[noble pine]

They literally aren’t

[barren zephyr]

The current size classification system sucks ass imo

[vestal rune]

maybe if you group pseudo-mids into mid-tier but imo that's a terrible idea

[noble pine]

They aren’t even pseudo

They’re just the largest low tiers

Since they get bodied by mid tiers

[low flame]

then what are mid tiers in your opinion?

[vestal rune]

cerato, carno and mega are pseud-mids

[low flame]

allo being a low tier? what?

[noble pine]

Allo and Alberto

[nova anchor]

sucho's a mid too isn't it?

[low flame]

cerato, allo, sucho and carno are in the same tier

[vestal rune]

ye allo and alberto are the only predators inbetween 2000kg and like 4500kg

[noble pine]

They aren’t

[low flame]

i thought that was common knowledge

[vestal rune]

if you're using the new, much larger size then it's pseudo-apex

[odd sedge]

Though I don't even get the appeal. There are creatures like Troodon or Herra who could work as scavengers but I don't see the need for a velo, except for that cleaning ai alongside compy

[paper geyser]

sucho is a mid bordering on pseudo apex

[noble pine]

It’s pretty common knowledge that cerato and Carno aren’t mid tiers

[low flame]

the have the same growth time and somewhat similar weight

[noble pine]

Carno maybe, but cerato is definitely not a mid tier

[vestal rune]

cerato and carno are the same tierr

[nova anchor]

definitely not

they're considerably smaller than mids

[low flame]

your the only person ive ever heard say that, so im not believing you

[nova anchor]

your

[vestal rune]

cerato is 1000kg, allo is 2000kg and sucho is around 5000kg

[noble pine]

Lmfao I’m definitely not the only person who thinks like this

[nova anchor]

oh holy fuck sucho is huge

[vestal rune]

ye that's why people think it's a pseudo-apex now

[nova anchor]

definitely

[noble pine]

Most people would agree that cerato is a low tier and allo is mid tier

[vestal rune]

which is good because previously the only pseudo-apex was fucking acro

[nova anchor]

yeah

[barren zephyr]

I would consider anything above the size of a Utah a mid tier.

[nova anchor]

lmao what

[low flame]

whatever, the point is that Alberto is a cross between allo (a generic medium sized carnivore) and T rex (a generic big carnivore)

Alberto just isnt unique enough to justify being in the game

[vestal rune]

wtf does generic mean?

[noble pine]

It still serves a purpose, it’s direct competition for allosaurus

[nova anchor]

""""generic"""""

[vestal rune]

alberto is unique enough because we know for a fact people enjoy alberto's gameplay

[noble pine]

It’s there to compete with allo since cerato won’t be in the same territory as allo

[vestal rune]

and those people won't enjoy allo or rex as much

[low flame]

being able to compete with allo doesnt make it unique

[barren zephyr]

Idea of size stemming from "medium sized theropod"

[vestal rune]

I'd say a mid-tier crusher allows it to be pretty unique

[low flame]

and cerato and allo are alreadysomewhat similar

[vestal rune]

and you can give allo and alberto completely different hunting strategies

[noble pine]

I-

[nova anchor]

wtf lmao

[noble pine]

[nova anchor]

cerato and allo are absolutely nothing alike

[noble pine]

They aren’t even close to similar

Cerato is a hyena that lives around swamps, allo is a lion that lives in the plains

[low flame]

they had to give cerato a made up ability to make it not a worse allo

[noble pine]

Their niches are completely different

[low flame]

we already have t rex

[noble pine]

“Made up ability”

[vestal rune]

a good portion of the roster has "made up abilities", it makes the game more unique

[noble pine]

^

[vestal rune]

t rex is clearly not on the same level as allo and alberto

[nova anchor]

rex can't even be compared with allo and albert

[noble pine]

Yep, because something 5x heavier than Alberto is exactly the same as Alberto

[vestal rune]

the different between mid tier and apex tier is enormous

[low flame]

the point isnt that cerato is a bad animal, the point is that we dont need to be adding more generic meat eaters to clog up the roster

[noble pine]

Literally

[nova anchor]

""""""generic""""""

[noble pine]

It isn’t a bad animal

[vestal rune]

cerato is FOR ONCE a good addition to the game

[noble pine]

You sure are throwing that word around

[vestal rune]

also wtf does "generic" mean

[hybrid matrix]

yup

[vestal rune]

what because it walks on 2 legs its generic? so the whole roster is generic? that makes no sense

cerato is definitely unique enough to stand out from other dinosaurs

[noble pine]

Guys spino is generic cuz it walk on da 2 legs

No, just no

Trex is far from generic

[low flame]

in order for a creature to justify being added to the game, it needs to be unique. " T Rex but more like allo" isnt enough to stand out

[hybrid matrix]

well technically this is true
as most spinos in media r bipedal
its sad

[wary sparrow]

If you don‘t like generic let‘s remove allo, dryo and Maia

[vestal rune]

being a mid tier crusher, and the only other mid tier predator in the game, is enough to make it unique

[noble pine]

An allo sized tyrannosaur can be quite interesting

There’s a reason a lot of people play sub rex over rex

[low flame]

spino is a specialized semi aquatic, so it is unqiue

[hybrid matrix]

and para
and giga
and brachi
and utah
and deino
and pachy

[vestal rune]

like I said early, people main sub rex, which clearly means that people want a mid tier crusher and see it as unique

[noble pine]

They enjoy being a faster tyrannosaur that’s slower but has a more powerful bite

[low flame]

oh god, you guys dont understand what im saying at all

[nova anchor]

why compare albert to rex? Because they look similar? Albert is going to play absolutely nothing like rex lmfao

[hybrid matrix]

our spino is a walking sailboat

[vestal rune]

ye there's such a big difference between apexes and mid tiers in terms of gameplay

[low flame]

im not saying we should remove allo or cerato or maia, im saying that we shouldnt add animals that are too similar to existing ones

[nova anchor]

good thing albert is unique

[low flame]

they are both heavily built therapods with an ambush hunting style

[vestal rune]

ye alberto for once is actually an animal that provides unique gameplay

[safe galleon]

good thing allo and cera are unique then

[nova anchor]

lmao do you not know anything about albert?

[safe galleon]

maia is...

meh

[wary sparrow]

Isn‘t Alberto planned to be a long distance hunter ?

[vestal rune]

alberto is actually quite lightly built, and also I keep saying that mid tiers and apex tiers are INSANELY different

[nova anchor]

It's going to be an endurance mid tier, not an ambush apex

[low flame]

isnt that what allo is supposed to be?

[nova anchor]

no

[low flame]

how???

[hybrid matrix]

i just wanna say that chr11ssr566's argument is the same as saying iggy is a bigger teno
ITS NOT A BIGGER TENO
ITS A BETTER PARA
GET UR FACTS STRAIGHT

[safe galleon]

allo is the ambush grappler boy

[wary sparrow]

Allo will be an ambush predator and Alberto an endurance hunter iirc

[vestal rune]

alberto has very similar gameplay to legacy sub rex, and look at how many people MAIN sub rex

[low flame]

allo is a rounded endurance hunter with good stamina, average speed, good bleed, and average damage and health

[arctic nimbus]

I can understand dinos like dibble and styraco if that ever comes into the game, but why rex and ablerto?

[wary sparrow]

Forget old allo new allo won‘t be like legacy allo

[nova anchor]

yeah don't base opinions off of legacy

[noble pine]

^

[low flame]

also the more dinos we add to the game the harder it will be for players to find members of the same species

[hybrid matrix]

not true at all

[low flame]

because there will be more to choose from

[nova anchor]

lmaoooo

[hybrid matrix]

ppl will still main things dude

[vestal rune]

that is actually a good point, which is why we should avoid adding too many dinos, but alberto isn't one we should remove

[low flame]

thats why i believe some dinos need to be cut

[nova anchor]

nah the roster is fine

[vestal rune]

plus I imagine a lot of servers won't actually have all the roster available

[hybrid matrix]

this is true
however ur cutting the wrong ones

[low flame]

at least we can agree on something

[wary sparrow]

If you are going to cut anything than cut something from the very small playables. The mid tiers lack a lot of variety

[nova anchor]

get rid of homalo and magy please and thanks

[vestal rune]

ye exactly

look at homalo, magy, hypsi,

[hybrid matrix]

u mean the tinies? or the mid sized?
bc im keeping all of my tinies

[nova anchor]

hypsi has some uniqueness to it

[hybrid matrix]

yes

[low flame]

magy should never have been added but its too late to change that unfortunatley

[vestal rune]

it's an oro clone

[hybrid matrix]

puking turkey must stay

[nova anchor]

it's nothing like oro

other than being small

[vestal rune]

like I love hypsi, but it's basically oro

[nova anchor]

it's nothing like oro what

[low flame]

hypsi is a better oro

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but its not skunk oro

[arctic nimbus]

homalo is a rat

[paper geyser]

hypsi is literally oro with a gimmick

[nova anchor]

not at all

[low flame]

who cares about homalo

[hybrid matrix]

idk wut homa is gonna be

[barren zephyr]

Yup I totally agree.

[wary sparrow]

Tinies. I like my tinies but there are a bunch of them and if some playables had to be removed I think taking some of the smalls won‘t hurt as much

[arctic nimbus]

nobody. thats why its dumb

[hybrid matrix]

you monster......

[low flame]

i agree

the problem is that hypsi is already in the game, so its not like we can just get rid of all the tinies.

[wary sparrow]

I‘m not saying get rid of anything anyway

[arctic nimbus]

Nobody is going to use Homalo when Pachy exists

[hybrid matrix]

unless

[low flame]

exactly

[paper geyser]

is homalo the tiny pachy

[hybrid matrix]

TOE STUBBER 9000!!!!!

[vestal rune]

yes

[wary sparrow]

Not necessarily

[hybrid matrix]

GUYS WE NEED TOE BUSTER HOMA!!

[paper geyser]

i'd like to play as a tiny pachy but i can see how it's useless and a waste of space

[barren zephyr]

You'd only play as it for the sake of it being a ridiculous novelty class.

[wary sparrow]

People like animals they don‘t have to spend a lot of time growing

[hybrid matrix]

OOH

woah

hear me out

woodpecker homa

it doesnt fly tho

[paper geyser]

so its not a woodpecker at all

[hybrid matrix]

it bashes trees with its head and it makes cavities to live in
like a woodpecker

[barren zephyr]

Nah get a drepanosaur, and then give it a patagium

There, bootleg woodpecker.

[vestal rune]

g..glider drepanosaur?

[hybrid matrix]

wait i just had a revelation

[barren zephyr]

Well we have hypuronector

[hybrid matrix]

guys the monkey oro concept art wasnt monkey oro

it was pangolin oro

[vestal rune]

oh holy shit

[hybrid matrix]

UH YEAH

HOLY SHIT INDEED

[vestal rune]

no I'm htalking about the glider drepano

[vestal rune]

LIKE LOOK AT IT

[barren zephyr]

Hypuronector is probably one of the wackiest Triassic reptiles

[hybrid matrix]

oh

[barren zephyr]

It is a drepanosaur, just some basal offshoot

Some other more derrived drepanosaurs were more like anteaters, either climbing or burrowing

Skybalonyx

[odd sedge]

Okay, I actually like the idea of being able to maybe decide whether the server has a global chat or not.

Not every server will want to play realism, some might just want to goof around and that way everyone would be happy

[hybrid matrix]

in theri's concept art theres a picture where it's wearing a saddle or smthn, and it has the straps that you have on a horse's head to control the direction
so i think we might be getting dino taming

[vestal rune]

fairly sure it's planned actually, I think "global is being removed" is actually "global is being removed on official"

[haughty cliff]

@vestal rune when amarok was asked if it'd remain in server config, his response was "it will be totally ripped out, gone, shredded, put in the bin" and "launched into outer space" which... I THINK means gone completely...

[hybrid matrix]

ok what's wrong with that taming idea

it doesnt restrict anything

[vestal rune]

bruuuh why

[urban flax]

@hybrid matrix So, Dondi's initial plan for taming is quite different from what you said.
Any dino can be tamed, only by tribals, and using brute force rather than offering food

[vestal rune]

taming is a TERRIBLE idea

the game already has a problem with mixpacking

dondi wants enslavement, where your force a dinosaur to do what you want

[urban flax]

And I prefer that, because this is not Ark, and it gives tribals some more appeal compared to mercs.

[hybrid matrix]

oh i didnt kno that

[urban flax]

But from what I know, devs still aren't sure if they should implement it or not, and how to do it, since you cannot really tame a player and you're not supposed to be able to tell players apart from AI

[haughty cliff]

honestly i think it'd be cool if it worked for ANY dino. Screw it. Let them decide to work for people in return for free food... and betray at any time

[ashen wasp]

which concept are you referring to??

[urban flax]

I made a taming suggestion quite some time ago, that people liked iirc

I'll try to find it

[low flame]

how would taming even work with human players?

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message

This

[vestal rune]

the idea behind it is that the tribals can kill you anytime if you disobey

but you sitll have a chance of escape

[lilac swallow]

I do t think It works at all tbh

[vestal rune]

I reckon it could work

would require a lot of testing to see if it's worth to have ingame though

[hybrid matrix]

this is the concept art
https://i.imgur.com/rzbnzb8.png

[lilac swallow]

If someone enslaves you there are 2 cases i see
Case 1: you cant logout and you are forced to play for 5 hours until the tribal also logouts
Case 2: you can logout and you do It as soon as you get enslaved letting the tribal without an earned slave

[urban flax]

Anyway, even if taming is never implemented, there will be dino players befriending humans and vice-versa

[vestal rune]

that's TSL concept art

[ashen wasp]

it involves what are essentially meat hooks attached to ropes-- a mounted rider pulls a rope and the dinosaur gets prompted in that direction-- it can decide to disobey, but at a penalty. and riders have to constantly be on-guard with testy dinosaurs-- one wrong move and they could turn on them. however, a rider and mount that are in-sync are more powerful than either are alone, and a tribal can outfit its mount with war paint that gives it a buff, iirc

[hybrid matrix]

tsl?

[vestal rune]

the stomping land

[ashen wasp]

The Stomping Lands, old dinosaur game, was a scam

[vestal rune]

the isle sort of derived from the stomping land, but they're 2 seperate games

[hybrid matrix]

oh

:(

[ashen wasp]

The Isle has some old assets like the Austro, Carno, etc.

[vestal rune]

the stomping land could have been great

and it had great concepts, but RIP was a scam

[hybrid matrix]

now im sad bc i thought theri had concept art where it had a long tongue and i had a chance at insectivore theri

[ashen wasp]

eh, i prefer The Isle anyways

[vestal rune]

I kinda hope someone makes a mod that turns the isle into a mor eaccurate version of the stomping land

[urban flax]

idk, this concept looks cool

[vestal rune]

like tribals are meant to emulate the stomping land but the nature of the isle will sort of prevent that from being perfect

[urban flax]

tbh I only want tribals to be somewhat elaborate, and not just naked orcs

[worn pumice]

"hey guys i love when humans ride me!"

[ashen wasp]

there's no saddle in this concept, though??

[hybrid matrix]

bottom right

[vestal rune]

there are actually isle concept arts with saddles

[ashen wasp]

yeah, there is!!

[worn pumice]

so tribals arent humans but how big are they supposedly

[hybrid matrix]

ew

[vestal rune]

notice however that they have a bunch of hooks going into them

[urban flax]

I love prehistoric culture and civilisations, and I would be disappointed if tribals end up being just monsters

[barren zephyr]

stomping land is pretty cool

[worn pumice]

i mean taming ai dinosaurs wouldnt be bad

[vestal rune]

this isn't some fun "hey I have a pet dinosaur :D" thing, they've enslaved them to do what they want

[barren zephyr]

added control

[hybrid matrix]

my suggestion was geared more towards taming players

[ashen wasp]

i'm sure theyre nothing to scoff at

[vestal rune]

I've heard that they're 8 foot tall but idk if that's official

[worn pumice]

sadly taming players will probably never happen

[barren zephyr]

The Stomping Land seemed to have a more AI trust based taming system, as far as I am aware

[vestal rune]

there's a concept for taming players

so don't be so doubtful

[worn pumice]

how does this even work lol

[ashen wasp]

i mean, im sure cooperation will still occur between online friends

[vestal rune]

ye the stomping land had actual taming where you make the animal like you, the isle has enslavement

[worn pumice]

actually ig if the players wanna do it thats different

maybe the tribal just almost kills you and then enslaves you

[urban flax]

I think letting dino and human players cooperate if they are friends but not implementing any mechanic helping that is the best way to go.

[worn pumice]

that makes sense

[ashen wasp]

but i could also see it happening between human players and dino AI

[vestal rune]

tribals force you down to the ground and add equipment to you that allows them to control you, if you don't listen to them they kill you

[barren zephyr]

I wish TSL wasn't abandoned and dead

[worn pumice]

yea

thats what i was thinking

[vestal rune]

ye I think that's how it's meant to be, enslavement should be harder than killing

[worn pumice]

its gonna be hard tho

[urban flax]

Maybe a little like in monster hunter ?

[worn pumice]

gonna need a lot of power and equipment to enslave say a trike or a rex

[ashen wasp]

I could see tribals having a sort of pounce option when equipped with the hooks and saddle, which is more effective the less health the dinosaur has

[urban flax]

So the dino players gets thrown back to the character selection screen as if they were dead, and the tribal can enjoy his new pet

Which could still behave its own way and try to rebel

[vestal rune]

I thought of this, but I think it should be more complex

[ashen wasp]

what???? no, you still play as a "tamed" dinosaur

[vestal rune]

you have the option of staying as an enslaved dino, and having a chance to save it and escape the tribals if you want to

[ashen wasp]

^^^

[vestal rune]

however, if you don't find that sort of gameplay enjoyable you can abandon your dinos to the tribals and start a new life

[urban flax]

But playing as an enslaved dino is a terrible idea. And what if the dino disconnects ? The tribal loses their mount ?

Or you can't disconnect and must stay online until your dino dies ?

[vestal rune]

if you disconnect you just lose your dino

ez

[pure fulcrum]

that sounds stupid

[vestal rune]

not really

[urban flax]

I still don't really see the point in keeping your dino if you've already been beaten to death and enslaved

[haughty cliff]

damn i hadn't heard of the stomping land and i just went down the rabbit hole, and that tweet from their dev account mocking the Isle and claiming to be about to reassert dominance over the genre... rip

[pure fulcrum]

make it so when you log back in you just get back in your enslaved dino?

[nova anchor]

maybe there's an incentive to play an enslaved dino. Outliving your master gives you permanent buffs or something?

[vestal rune]

because you'll have the chance of rescueing it

[urban flax]

If that was another dino, you'd just be dead. End of the story.

[hybrid matrix]

if this is how its gonna be im gonna kill ever tribal i see

[vestal rune]

no you'll lose that dino

[haughty cliff]

https://twitter.com/TheStompingLand/status/1042965013143609344 big f lmao

The Stomping Land (@TheStompingLand)

Huge shout out to @theisleofficial for holding down the forest for a while, but I think it's about that time of year for another #TurkeyDay raptor reveal. #1122

Twitter · Sep 21, 2018, 2:33 AM

[pure fulcrum]

bruh

[ashen wasp]

you haven't necessarily been beaten to death, and there are incentives to play as a tamed animal.

[urban flax]

Not if they stick to the fact that tribals can kill their dino if it rebels

[vestal rune]

yes but you'll still have the option to save it

like if the tribals are actively riding you it's unlikely

[urban flax]

But you'd die

[hybrid matrix]

ooh!

guys

[worn pumice]

i mean i already know some people will get enslaved on purpose

[vestal rune]

but if you're neglected you can just run away

[ashen wasp]

mhm-- it's all very situational

[worn pumice]

this works well with ai

players its much more complex

[hybrid matrix]

im just gonna play as a dilo so that i can poison my masters and kill them and run away

[urban flax]

And how unfair is it for the tribal ? Every time I tame a dino, do I have to hope it forsakes its dino so I can play without keeping my two eyes on it h/24 ?

[vestal rune]

I mean you're not gonna permenantly keep the dino

you're just gonna tame it so it can serve its purpose then kill it

[ashen wasp]

what do you mean "forsakes"???

[urban flax]

Forgot the english word for "abandonne"

[barren zephyr]

abandon

[urban flax]

bruh

[worn pumice]

lol

big brain moments in here

[barren zephyr]

or perhaps "ditch behind"

[hybrid matrix]

enslavement won't work as well simply taming the dino
trust me
just gonna let it play out and you'll see
enslavement will fail eventually

[ashen wasp]

and why wouldn't you keep your dinosaur permanently??

a tamed dinosaur isn't abandoned by its player-- it has incentives to play its new role as well

[barren zephyr]

I rather dislike the idea of enslaving a dinosaur

[ashen wasp]

oh, then dont do it!!

[vestal rune]

because feeding a dinosaur for a long period of time would be incredibly difficult?

[urban flax]

Play its new role as a slave ? Not my kink, sorry

[nova anchor]

It'd be fine if there was an incentive for playing an enslaved dino

[barren zephyr]

yeah but free food clearly does not work

[ashen wasp]

there is

[worn pumice]

if the dino got something then maybe but id rather just die have them keep my dino and grow something else

[nova anchor]

like, outliving your master will unlock a new perk for that dinosaur species or something

[vestal rune]

the incentive for playing as an enslaved dino is being able to save that dino

[hybrid matrix]

playing as a tamed dino means u have extra protection from ur masters

[ashen wasp]

tribals can equip their dinosaurs with war paint, which is tied to perks

[urban flax]

You're going a little far there

[barren zephyr]

or it might, if you are, say, a rex and your slaved people are taking you on a hunting trip, you can probably have a higher chance of getting a meal when taking down a trike

[vestal rune]

devs have said buffs from warpaint before, but that's a while ago

[barren zephyr]

cooperation to some degree.

[urban flax]

Ugh. Well magical warpaints. Why not, after all.

[ashen wasp]

what do you mean???? i'm getting this from what developers have previously said

[vestal rune]

I don't think dinos should benefit from enslavement

[nova anchor]

maybe not benefit

[vestal rune]

it should be something you avoid, being enslaved is very similar to dying

[barren zephyr]

For predators the odds of a successful kill are generally stacked against them

[nova anchor]

but like, there should be something keeping you from just killing yourself upon enslavement

[urban flax]

That's why I suggested than being enslaved in-game is just like dying

[worn pumice]

i mean the chance you can escape is good motive to play as ur enslaved dino

[vestal rune]

if you want to keep your dino alive then keep it alive until you can save it, if you don't want it alive then simply start a new live

[hybrid matrix]

sorry i thought u said there was incentive to getting enslaved

[vestal rune]

I think that should be the case but you also have the option to try and save your dino

[vestal rune]

I said that the only incentive to staying as an enslaved animal is to be able to save your dino

[ashen wasp]

starting a new life in The Isle is called dying-- THE END IS NEVER THE END, and all that???

[urban flax]

Ye but there's also the problem with fairness for the tribal player.

[vestal rune]

I mean tbh ye I suspect people would just instantly grief the tribals

kill them and then themselves

I suppose it should just be a death thing then

[urban flax]

You don't get a chance to save your dino when you are being eaten by another one, so why would you when you get captured by a tribal ? I understand the point, but from a gameplay perspective, it's just unfair

[hybrid matrix]

yeah
like i said
im gonna kos every tribal i see bc i dont wanna risk enslavement

[urban flax]

What about mercs ?

[vestal rune]

ye I'm fairly sure tribals and dinos are meant to have a shakey relationship lmao

like I'd imagine tribals would have to eat/benefit from eating dinos, although that isn't confirmed

[worn pumice]

mercs r different mercs are actual humans

[hybrid matrix]

i feel like maybe mercs could apply to my suggestion
but only bc they dont have the same skills as tribals

[vestal rune]

mercs have old concept art of them having pet austroraptors, but I think the devs said they shouldn't tame

[worn pumice]

mercs dont need to tame dinos

they have guns

[urban flax]

Ark

[ashen wasp]

nah, i think it's been stated that mercs arent intended to be able to cooperate with dinosaurs, mechanically speaking

[worn pumice]

guns solve a lot of problems

[hybrid matrix]

mercs cant climb up a rex's leg and then jab a hook in its nose

[worn pumice]

honestly why would mercs even need a dino pet

when it can just shoot anything

[hybrid matrix]

company

duh

also who wouldnt want a dino pet

[worn pumice]

[hybrid matrix]

ALSO

[urban flax]

They don't need dino pets. But they want them.

[worn pumice]

ig

[hybrid matrix]

mercs could use dinos for transport

like i put in my suggestion

[worn pumice]

ew no id rather have mercs use actual vehicles

[barren zephyr]

Not to mention mercenaries have a different set of morals from the tribals (which are very uncivilised, from a western point of view)

[vestal rune]

they have jeeps

[hybrid matrix]

they could saddle certain herbies and then ride around on em

[worn pumice]

they cars n shit

[hybrid matrix]

wut if they lose the jeep

[vestal rune]

they'll also have helicopters

[worn pumice]

they should be able to find broken down cars around the map and fix it so they can drive it

[hybrid matrix]

[urban flax]

They get eaten by compies and die

[barren zephyr]

they would know it is not right to forcefully enslave a rex or raptor

[ashen wasp]

theyre mercenaries, im not sure beasts of burden are where they'd draw the line, morally speaking

[urban flax]

I'm so eager to see humans in-game tho. Human vs human gameplay could be so neat

[hybrid matrix]

ye but they wouldnt use force, theyd feed them
it would be a healthy relationship, mutually beneficial too
mercs can provide food/protection, dino provides a lookout and transportation

[ashen wasp]

oh yeah

with humans will come a lot of this game's horror angles

[worn pumice]

enslavement and and taming is completely different

[ashen wasp]

just a squishy little ape, alone in the jungle

[urban flax]

There doens't need a mechanic for that. You're a merc, you want to befriend a dino ? Bring it food. Then see how it reacts.

[hybrid matrix]

speaking of which, u could have a little oro pet and watch in horror as raptors eat it alive

see? taming adds a shit ton of horror

[urban flax]

It's basically the same as 2-calling currently, but with added resources.

[ashen wasp]

not sure if mercenaries will be able to interact with dinosaurs' food like that-- i believe it's been hinted at that they won't consume dinosaur flesh

[hybrid matrix]

so what will they eat

[urban flax]

I'm confident that there will be a lot of humans befriending dinos
Even if there are mechanics against it

[vestal rune]

ye I'd imagine mercs will have to collect food and water from staches

[barren zephyr]

yeah but at least they would not try to make them beasts of burden with brute force

[urban flax]

Canned food

[ashen wasp]

mhm, stored food around the island, i'd bet

[hybrid matrix]

so they just have an infinite amount of food

[ashen wasp]

or from drops

[barren zephyr]

Rations supplied by drops from operators

[ashen wasp]

everything has an infinite amount of food

it's just a matter of obtaining it

[hybrid matrix]

but if theres drops then why don't they just leave the island

[urban flax]

I didn't say that. They come in with a set amount of food, and have to get resupplies or find more in buildings

[vestal rune]

what?

[ashen wasp]

because theyre SUPPOSED to be---- what, you think they're stranded there??

[barren zephyr]

As a merc, it is likely you will be extracted upon having completed a mission or some other objective

[urban flax]

They're not trapped on the island. They willingly came here to fulfill their mission

[hybrid matrix]

twas a joke

and basically ur saying mercs will have to rely on resupplies

when theres TONS OF FOOD WALKIN AROUND!!!

u said it urself

[vestal rune]

oh yes

let's ENCOURAGE mercs to shoot down dinosaurs

[urban flax]

Mutated dino meat may be inedible for humans

[noble pine]

Basically

Get over it

[hybrid matrix]

everything has an infinite amount of food

[vestal rune]

it's not like everyone's worried about mercs being a shoot 'em up that kills all the dinosaurs

[hybrid matrix]

i mean hunting would be cool

speaking of which

[urban flax]

play tribal if you wanna hunt

[worn pumice]

ah yes i would love for a merc to just gun me down

[vestal rune]

tribals will hunt

[hybrid matrix]

how are tribals gonna eat
theyre not only encouraged to brutally enslave dinos
theyre also encouraged to kill dinos

[urban flax]

They can do both

[vestal rune]

mercs will only hunt for objectives(which will likely only be strains, monsters ect.) rather than food

[hybrid matrix]

but its not ok for a merc to hunt

[worn pumice]

i mean it works

[urban flax]

Brutally enslave a dino and use it to kill and eat other dinos

[vestal rune]

because tribals don't have guns that can kill a dino instantly from miles away?

[worn pumice]

mercs should be encouraged to not hunt as no one wants to get 360 no scoped in the isle

[urban flax]

As I said, genetically-engineered dino meat might make them sick

[hybrid matrix]

really i just dont understand why mercs cant eat dinos that they kill

[vestal rune]

because that'd be terrible for gameplay

[worn pumice]

^

[hybrid matrix]

guns arent?

[ashen wasp]

i believe there'll be a lore reason as well

[vestal rune]

it's way more interesting and balanced to have mercs have to go out of safe spaces to search for food rations rather than mowing down dinosaurs people grew

[ashen wasp]

id imagine tribals would have no problem, though

[noble pine]

You’re encouraging mass groups of mercs to basically kill anything they find do they can sustain however many people they have in their group

[urban flax]

Sure

[hybrid matrix]

im not saying that i want it in the game

im saying i dont understand why its not in the game

[urban flax]

I answered you twice

[hybrid matrix]

its food

[barren zephyr]

It does not make a difference

[ashen wasp]

there's a lot we don't understand about The Isle, yet

[worn pumice]

you really wanna grow say a shant for 6 hours and then in seconds get mowed down like call of duty?

[hybrid matrix]

meat is food

[vestal rune]

if you want a logic reason, it's possible that the dinosaurs on the isle have bodies that are toxic to mercs?

these things aren't natural

[barren zephyr]

🔄

[hybrid matrix]

im sayin if i find a dino corpse im skinning that thing and takin its meat

[worn pumice]

[urban flax]

What about Genetically-modified chicken that made girls have their puberty at 7 a few years ago ?

[barren zephyr]

oh

[worn pumice]

mercs dont need dino meat or skin

[urban flax]

I don't remember in which country it happened tho

[barren zephyr]

never heard of that

[worn pumice]

mercs already spawn in with basic gear and then they find stuff

[barren zephyr]

But it really depends on what has been modified

[vestal rune]

I don't think there any GMO meats in commercial use rn

[worn pumice]

tribals r the ones who should be hunting dinosaurs

[vestal rune]

everything is plants

[barren zephyr]

There is GMO salmon which is modified to grow at a doubled rate (though it is sterile)

[hybrid matrix]

smh i just dont understand why you cant get meat from a dino corpse thats all
jeez

[urban flax]

I think it was in brazil, but I'm not certain

[vestal rune]

oh interesting

ye I don't think it was meats I think it was chickens specifically where GMOs aren't in circulation

in first world countries anyway

[hybrid matrix]

u should at least be able to take meat chunks that you find

[vestal rune]

I don't think so

[hybrid matrix]

if i find a chunk of meat laying around and im out of food im taking that with me and cooking it

[barren zephyr]

I mean if there is nothing tampering with hormonal shit with the dino dna, then it is fine

[vestal rune]

I mean keep in mind these animals aren't just GMOs

they're some incredibly weird shit

[barren zephyr]

I certainly would not eat strain meat

[urban flax]

^

[hybrid matrix]

they are Gmods

wait no

[vestal rune]

they're not really normal animals at all

[hybrid matrix]

GMDs :(

[vestal rune]

that's why I think you can just say "mercs can't eat the dinosaurs because they are toxic to them"

[hybrid matrix]

as a dinosaur myself i take offence to this

[urban flax]

Maybe tribals are just people who ate dino meat
So you know how cursed it is

[vestal rune]

while tribals can eat them because they belong to the island

[barren zephyr]

Since the neuro carno and stuff are vaguely like fish, I'd asume they have fishlike flesh

[urban flax]

You're a featherless Utah
You have nothing to say

[vestal rune]

shouldn't be because the dinosaurs in the isle aren't even proper dinosaurs

they just resemble dinosaurs

[barren zephyr]

though probably not edible and full of contaminants

[hybrid matrix]

true

[worn pumice]

i mean honestly their not normal dinosaurs tbh

[hybrid matrix]

i was feathered
but i shaved

[barren zephyr]

well at least they didn't fill in the genome with frog dna

hopefully they did not.

[hybrid matrix]

welp i gtg

[urban flax]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[urban flax]

bye

btw do you think there's going to be female mercs ?

[barren zephyr]

probably, if the dev team does not want to be sexist

[paper geyser]

if they all have masks/helmets i doubt we'd notice

[vestal rune]

ye most likely

devs want a lot of customisation iirc

I imagine the masks/helmets are things you find

you'd probably spawn with variously simple clothes, mostly just for carrying shit

[barren zephyr]

no

[paper geyser]

unfunny

[urban flax]

Let merc creation be like cyberpunk 2077's

[barren zephyr]

And if you look at women in the military, they don't have very visible breasts through their uniforms

[paper geyser]

i hope humans have preset calls like dinosaurs but part of me worries for the variety. Having one male and one female voice might get weird hearing all the time

[barren zephyr]

especially with the fact that they would have a vest on top of that camo suit

[paper geyser]

this, i really hope they don't go overboard with "look it has boobs and an ass, it's a woman"

[urban flax]

They're probably not going that direction anyway

They're not koreans

[paper geyser]

wow

a little stereotypical?

[urban flax]

I've played a lot( too many) korean games
They all have a few things in common
Including that

[paper geyser]

yeah that's still kinda not cool to say

[urban flax]

No it's not

[paper geyser]

like me saying "nah they don't eat baguettes, they're not french"

completely unnecessary

and just plain rude

[urban flax]

That's not like I insulted anyone

[barren zephyr]

Yeah they should instead aim for not too big of a difference between both sexes

[worn pumice]

are we really talking about the females mercs ass and boobs?

[barren zephyr]

hair might be one thing, but it is generally costumisable in length and colour n shit between both men and women

[paper geyser]

you quite literally insulted every single korean person by saying they all sexualise videogame women

[worn pumice]

i mean this is a little racist but

[barren zephyr]

And it ain't really koreans, it is just japan and anyone else who makes weeb games

[worn pumice]

but honestly why do we have to talk about the female mercs lol

[barren zephyr]

Well actually idk

[paper geyser]

nothing wrong with saying it's common, but plain stating "they don't do that, they're not [nationality]" is extremely rude

[worn pumice]

im sure they know what to do to make them slightly different

[urban flax]

Well I didn't go that far, I was merely talking about game devs, and 95% of the korean games I know have over-sexualized women (and men too, but not really in the same way)
Anyway I apologize.

[barren zephyr]

the mercs should not be sexualized.

[worn pumice]

^

tribals neither

[urban flax]

dinos neither

[worn pumice]

nothing should be sexualized honestly

shouldnt be a thing

[paper geyser]

glad we agree on that one, sheesh

[worn pumice]

just make some differences to like height body size or something to make them different

[zinc anvil]

this chat sometimes

[worn pumice]

or face is completely different

[urban flax]

shhh

[worn pumice]

smh

why is this even a conversation lol

[urban flax]

Yeah, I think face and slight body changes like height are anough

[paper geyser]

only difference there should be is face shape and maybe size

[worn pumice]

arent they all wearing military grade gear clothes anyways

[paper geyser]

the way i see it you shouldn't be able to tell if they're male or female when they're wearing a full suit of gear

[urban flax]

idk, but you can still recognize a man from a woman in military clothes
Most of the time

[worn pumice]

true

but lets not sexualize them

or anything for that matter

[paper geyser]

good luck telling what gender this thing is in a dark forest

[worn pumice]

there should just be simple differences

[urban flax]

Leave that to modders

[worn pumice]

[pure fulcrum]

oh yeah i forgot mods are coming back

[urban flax]

For the best and the worst

[pure fulcrum]

i can already see what will happen

[worn pumice]

I'm so proud of this community

oh god

the server name

s

i hope strange server names are banned or not allowed