general-feedback-discussion

[cyan flame]

Alright, at least you're acknowledging both sides there. Though I wouldn't mind if you could add times like that too, to be fair.

[glacial lodge]

You are free to choose your server , you dont need to join them BUT i have the freedome to choose my server too And if i want play on a server like this i will do it. Its that simple

[cyan flame]

Or just disable an apex or two.

[noble pine]

Okay derp, let’s say spino theoretically takes 15 hours with no help to grow, being able to change that to 10 hours cuts 5 hours off of your growth time therefore making it slightly more bearable

[proud coral]

I really don't see the issue of just letting servers do what they want. Even if it breaks the game. There will definitely be mods that do that anyways

[cyan flame]

I'm pretty sure you'll see servers like that too, disabled apexes, or just one of them, or whatever.

[hybrid matrix]

spino is gonna take 15 hours?

[cyan flame]

The problem is that you're trying to balance a server that's deliberately going for whatever they consider balance.

[noble pine]

Theoretically

[tepid gate]

Why? Because people might break their servers? That's on them. What if turning off humans/dinosaurs or cannibals breaks the game?

[hybrid matrix]

thank god

[cyan flame]

Maybe if you don't do anything good dietwise and stuff, or so I would hope!

[proud coral]

15 Hours if you AFK

[cyan flame]

Yep Medic, something like that would be nice :p

[noble pine]

Their point is, they’re not trying to make it super easy, they’re trying to make it less stressful or slightly more bearable to play since you don’t have to play for those theoretical 15 hours

[hybrid matrix]

15 hours is not enough
ppl will get thru that

[noble pine]

Derp there’s no way you aren’t trolling rn

[hybrid matrix]

ya see if somebody couldve explained that to me earlier....

[noble pine]

Like 5% of people would live

[glacial lodge]

wrong

[noble pine]

starvation
dehydration
predators
just doing dumb shit

[urban flax]

Spending a whole day growing a single dino

[noble pine]

I’m agreeing with you.

[idle ibex]

damn i just wanted a customizable server dino growth time thing to let people make servers that take the interest of people who like shorter growth times or longer ones, was mostly just thinking of realism servers when i made it

[hybrid matrix]

this just shows ouroboros hasnt been paying much attention

[glacial lodge]

you didnt understand the whole point we made

[noble pine]

I did, he literally explained it

[cyan flame]

People actually would. Not many, but I promise you, there'll be those that'll "afkgrow" for a day if they have to.

[noble pine]

This right here

[cyan flame]

But that's just a specific example Wendigo

[urban flax]

No, he's right, my point was to allow to make growth times less stressful

[hybrid matrix]

yes ur saying wut i said
15 hours is too short
ppl will get thru 15 hours if they have to

[cyan flame]

You could change that +/- however much you'd want, if you have customization

[noble pine]

I’m just using it as an example I’m not saying that’s the exact reason

[cyan flame]

Just saying, if you're trolling there ;)

[hybrid matrix]

OH U MEAN LIKE LONGER GROWTH TIMES????

[cyan flame]

Hey, I played on a progression server, where it would take you, what, 3 weeks to reach an apex, if you never died at all :)

[glacial lodge]

ITS not about making it easy or harder. MY point it atleast is that the server Owner should be able to do what he want. If he want 2 min for spino its fine. If he make it 15 hour its fine too. Caue its his server

[hybrid matrix]

i was serious about 15 hours not being enough to deter afk growing

[cyan flame]

Agreed. I don't see the issue, officials will be the dev intended experience, and that's good enough. Anything unofficial, can be all sorts of weird shit, that's the risk you take when you play on them. :p

[noble pine]

Technically it is about making it easier or harder since that’s what the server owner is trying to accomplish with said customization

[urban flax]

What about just allowing players to play apexes but not make them OP so that they don't swarm the servers ?

[hybrid matrix]

thats not wut i want tho
i mean sure 3 weeks is fine for afk growing, but not if ur active

[hybrid matrix]

wait so ur saying change the code?

like

[urban flax]

That's basically what devs are doing with evrima, so yes

[hybrid matrix]

how would u make them not OP without altering the code of the game

[cyan flame]

I don't think that's a code issue, rather stat/balance issue? xD

[hybrid matrix]

yes but the devs coded the stats

[urban flax]

I don't have precise values, but I know that if legacy rexes didn't have bullshit bonebreak or had less health they'd be less op

[hybrid matrix]

i think if legacy rexes were slower this would solve that problem

seriously

[urban flax]

And in evrima there's already going to be a lot more threats concerning apexes. First of all, herbies will have a chance to fight and kill their attacker

[hybrid matrix]

the speed was the problem

[urban flax]

Yeah, maybe
Probably

[hybrid matrix]

not the bone break

just think about a slower legacy rex
the only change is the sprint speed

[tepid gate]

No, it wasn't the Rex has always been very popular even back when it could only outrun a Trike.

[urban flax]

And if you put a slower rex in evrima, it's gonna have a hard time feeding itself once it hits adult. And it's never gonna manage to feed a whole pack, so no problem.

[tepid gate]

Even as a slowpoke it was still a very popular animal.

[urban flax]

Since in evrima AI isn't gonna run into your mouth either

[tepid gate]

Certain animals are extremely popular just because of what they are - Rex will always be popular because it's Rex, same goes for Utahs - they will be popular because they are the raptors.

[hybrid matrix]

well yeah
back when rex had its original calls that werent stolen from jp i grew a rex in this herd of like 30
idr wut it was that we ate to sustain so many of us, but somehow it worked
probably survived off cannibalism now that i think about it

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but if its slow then thats gonna control the population

[cyan flame]

Old rex calls, good times!

[hybrid matrix]

that 3call

[cyan flame]

At least something we can agree on :D

[tepid gate]

I don't think so, that will just make it non-viable and a trash playable. People will still choose it.

[hybrid matrix]

although i am a fan of the new rex calls if i hear them from a distance
they sound almost melodic from far away
but up close

[tepid gate]

Although tbh I don't think Rex should be fast, I'm more so in favour of an endurance hunter Rex assuming it's even possible to pull that off.

[hybrid matrix]

YES

SLOWER REX

[tepid gate]

Nah, not slower. I think it should stay at its current speed. Just slower relatively to everything else since all the other animals are getting faster.

The game overall is more fast paced in Evrima so I don't think Rex should be slower than it is in the legacy.

[glacial lodge]

you never played stego in evrima?

soll as hell

slow*

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

but guess wut

it weighs 5 tons

and its legs r sticks

[tepid gate]

it's 26.4 km/h - pretty sure that's faster than Stego in the legacy?

[hybrid matrix]

leg-steg is like 25 kph so technically yes

[glacial lodge]

dk legacy buts not possible to make the rex slower than this

[urban flax]

Fun fact is that it's faster than a human
Getting outrunned by a stego

Rex irl was around 30/40 kmph if I'm right ? Or is that info outdated ?

[tepid gate]

Irl Stegosaurus was much, much slower than that anyways. It's already "fast" for how fast this animal should really be.

Depends on how old the Rex is

The largest behemoths were estimated at around ~27km/h iirc

the smaller ones, the "gracile morph" was estimated at around 34km/h

The smaller ones still weigh over 7t though so there's that

[hybrid matrix]

ima go now

ive been wasting my time here when i shouldve been working

[glacial lodge]

I hope the deino dont be able to grab stego

[hybrid matrix]

my bet is that the devs wont add the ability to change growth times

[urban flax]

It will be able
But probably not as easily as shown in the dev streams

[glacial lodge]

my bet is that if the dev dont do it it will come over discord or mods

[tepid gate]

I hope they do, I don't see why they shouldn't add it

[coral yoke]

On the matter of soil in wounds: https://www.med.ubc.ca/news/soil-in-wounds-can-help-stem-deadly-bleeding/, courtesy of @dim ore

While it is suggested in this article that soil can aid in the blood clotting process, it also reaffirms the idea that there is an increased risk of infection in using unsterilized dirt/mud. Perhaps a good tradeoff to the immediate stoppage of bleeding by wallowing is the chance to induce sickness in the dinosaur. This would provide another use for the sickness mechanic. Thoughts?

[golden iron]

i said it before and ill say it for eternity: Deino should absolutely NOT have the ability to clot blood and swim. They can stay out of the water until their bleeds done just like everyone else

[dense wagon]

mango. https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/813167941507088395

and to expand on that, ANIMALS DO IT TODAY

https://tenor.com/view/elephants-mud-bath-dirty-gif-3535442

[coral yoke]

bathing in mud is different to using it to clot wounds

[dense wagon]

but having an injury does not stop them from taking mud baths

[coral yoke]

all im saying is, allow it to clot wounds, but allow the drawback of potential for sickness

[dense wagon]

and not to mention

the article is based around humans not wild animals

[coral yoke]

im not disagreeing with this

[jovial oak]

Imo mud is perfectly fine the way it is

[dense wagon]

^

plus we have balance we need to think about

you shouldn't be able to clot bleed literally anywhere in the map

you should have to walk to a muddy location

or its just another nerf for bleed

[coral yoke]

you are not understanding what im saying i dont think

if anything its a buff to bleed

[dense wagon]

you're saying we should be able to clot in soil instead of mud it seems

[coral yoke]

no

i am saying allow us to clot in mud

but introduce the drawback of potential sickness in doing so

[dense wagon]

getting mud into open wounds isn't ideal from a health point of view on the basis that microbes in the mud can represent the chance for infection.

that's what u said

so you want to

[coral yoke]

yea

and i also said

if we want to keep this mechanic, should we introduce a drawback to wallowing in mud

[dense wagon]

discourage mud wallowing and encourage soil wallowing

[coral yoke]

i never said anything about soil wallowing

[dense wagon]

oh i misunderstood

[paper geyser]

what the fuck are you two plotting

[dense wagon]

I see now, you're saying there should be drawbacks to wallow as a whole, yeah?

[coral yoke]

yea ^^

[dim ore]

@coral yoke while the article does affirm that a creature can die from severe infection it also affirms that silicate soils in an open wound can stop deadly bleeding...you might survive your wound bye rolling in the soil and thus not bleeding out within moments..however you could have a chance of later having slow and lasting effects from infection, i would say that the infection would be most commonly found only in those without a robust immune system (those undernourished...or starving..or sick) this could affect the player as a slow drain to their stamina or health regeneration to simulate an infection acquired. however for the purpose of fun game play i would say that dying from infection should only happen if the player persists in being undernourished or in not treating their sickness...( eat from mineral rocks..eat proper plants etc)

[paper geyser]

drawback to wallowing? The one mechanic that stops bleeding? The fuck?

as if there aren't enough dangers in this game

[tepid gate]

I mean... bleeding itself is hardly a drawback as it is

[dense wagon]

I see what u mean mango but there are still a few issues with that
like what kato said ^ you're basically trading one drawback for another

bleeding will probably be buffed aken
hopefully

[tepid gate]

I swear if it got deleted tomorrow I'd probably not even notice it's missing. It's just that irrelevant

[dense wagon]

or all the bleeders will be in serious dogshit

[paper geyser]

bleeding is obviously wip, that's no excuse to give players a disadvantage for trying to clot wounds

[tepid gate]

And yea it will probably be buffed

[jovial oak]

I don’t think mud needs a change, I think bleed itself needs a change. Idk about you guys, but I have never even come close to bleeding out, even without mud.

[tepid gate]

I mean I agree that you shouldn't be dying from infection because you've stopped the bleeding that's just kind of... stupid really

[proud coral]

Bleed might as well not exist right now that's how non threatening it is

[dense wagon]

infections could spark from other things besides wallowing though

[coral yoke]

i really like this suggestion, it adds a few new mechanics and considerations when deciding whether or not to wallow with an open wound

[paper geyser]

i think everyone agrees that bleeding needs to be improved, and i'm sure it will, but debuffs from wallowing are ridiculous. The only way i can see that happening is if alternative clot methods are introduced and wallowing is the most accessible, making it a slight debuff for clotting sooner rather than looking for the no-debuff method

[jovial oak]

^^

[dim ore]

@weak rose the article also specifically says that terrestrial creatures are the ones that have adapted to using mud and soil to heal deadly bleeding wounds. however aligators and crocodiles are on a whole other level of imune robustness, they can sustain massive damage and still live in a wet, hot, infested water source with little to no infection happening. their own blood is very different they can handle much more than other creatures they really dont need mud to heal..they just need food and rest. https://www.nursingcenter.com/journalarticle?Article_ID=810507&Journal_ID=54015&Issue_ID=810506

[proud coral]

Agreed. Don't punish players for trying to get rid of a debuff....

[dense wagon]

like, specific plants and herbs could give an infection-like status
there are plants with specific buffs coming, why not add plants that come with debuffs?

[coral yoke]

interesting @dim ore , ill have a read

[tepid gate]

I would probably say that the only downside should be that it washes off if you enter the water. Idk about the aquatics. I'm kind of on the fence as to whether they should have a different mechanic of blood clotting.

[brave rampart]

https://www.med.ubc.ca/news/soil-in-wounds-can-help-stem-deadly-bleeding/

[coral yoke]

all im saying is, it provides another decision for players, "do i wallow to remove this bleed and risk infection down the line or do i avoid the wallow and try to escape even with leaving bleed trails on scent"

[brave rampart]

Mud is just a mushy, moist version of dirt. It's not TOO different to be considered harmful

Mud has also been used for 1000s of years as an ointment

Face masks if you will

[paper geyser]

yeah but that's just completely unnecessary, they might die either way

[dim ore]

exerpt from the article : EDITORIAL: Alligators and Wound Healing: The Primordial Soup
Salcido, Richard MD

Issue: Volume 21(8), August 2008, pp 352-353 Publication Type: [DEPARTMENTS: EDITORIAL] Publisher: © 2008 Lippincott Williams & Wilkin...

Researchers are becoming interested in how these creatures have developed natural healing powers.3 Chemistry Professor Mark E. Merchant of McNeese State University, in Lake Charles, Louisiana, notes that because "alligator wounds heal rapidly and mostly without infection they make compelling immunological research subjects."1-3 The focus of his research is on the immunological properties of alligator blood.1-5 In experiments comparing human blood to alligator blood, published data indicates that alligators may be more resistant than humans to pathogenic bacteria, including Staphylococcus, Streptococcus, E coli, and Salmonella4,6; furthermore, alligators may have more resistances to certain viruses, including strains of human immunodeficiency virus and herpes simplex in vitro.7 It is further hypothesized that the alligators may have a high resistance to fungal infections and helminthes, as well.5 Dr Merchant believes the natural protease inhibitors of the type found in alligator blood could someday be an alternative to synthetic antibiotics because of the alligator's inherent resistance to infections and the immunocompliment properties found in alligator serum.8

[coral yoke]

well we dont currently die from sickness, we just get a debuff

[dense wagon]

why do we need more debuffs

why punish a player for trying to heal themselves

[paper geyser]

a debuff for trying to remove a debuff, great. Refer to my previous message

[proud coral]

Having a debuff from mud just makes it seem like "doesn't really matter what I do, I'm screwed either way"

[dense wagon]

I understand debuffing for mixpacking, i understand debuffing for afk growth, but healing bleed??

why should healing yourself be discouraged

[paper geyser]

"you're in danger and need to heal? Here have some more debuffs and further danger"

[dense wagon]

ESPECIALLY since you are vulnerable for a good 10 seconds while you are wallowing

[dim ore]

indeed, i wouldnt really bother with the infection from wallowing idea except perhaps for a creature already on the verge of death from say starvation ( low immune system)
We will already have venom and other illnesses to deal with in this game i imagine ...not to mention ai that are hunting us now..and mutant plants that will eat us. lol

[dense wagon]

scratch that, stego's wallow animation is 15 SECONDS LONG.

[knotty zodiac]

iirc most Reptiles have a very Robust Immune system some more so then others, but still overlay stronger that that of Humans, as Dino's are for the most part Reptilian in Nature id assume that their Immune system might be just as Robust as that of today's Reptiles, although only a theory.. so it makes little sense in that respect to add debuffs through infection

[proud coral]

Stego wallow....

[dense wagon]

ribcage smash

[proud coral]

[dense wagon]

yeah all the wallow animations lock you for 15 seconds

unless you get up mid-wallow, which prevents the clot and makes it useless

[coral yoke]

fair enough, perhaps it wouldnt be enjoyable from a gameplay perspective. It just feels a little like the wallow animation locks isnt enough of a tradeoff imo, but I may well be wrong

[coral yoke]

I believe theres a sweet spot where you can cut off the wallow and retain the blood clot

but i may be wrong

i think ive done it multiple times

[proud coral]

Utah's wallow wouldn't be so bad if it didn't purr super loudly every 2 seconds

[knotty zodiac]

i think over all the Wollowing for Deino could be ok with normal Mud use, the problem they have had is that is washes off when in Water and theirby Opens again, but ive no idea if that Mechanic can be species specificly turned off not to wash out when going into Water and Swimming, and only re-opens wound if takeing dmg again through an Attack.. but some my consider that too OP, but if you consider the Specialized Blood Mixing with the Mud and making a hard paste/Scab effect to waterproff it then it stands to reason in the end..

[brave rampart]

Deino should just retreat to water
Find a place on land to hide.
Wallow in mud and bask on land

Its already going to have an advantage in water

[barren zephyr]

exactly rick, i dont see why it should get a different treatment. if they ever decide on full aquatics then sure, something will have to be done, but thats different and maybe wont even come to the game

[left nacelle]

It should get a different treatment because if it's bleeding on land, it shouldn't be forced to stay on land where it's vulnerable

All aquatics are gonna need a different treatment, since any mud will wash off of them, this isn't just about deino. It's about aquatics in general

[barren zephyr]

it also shouldnt be getting into fights on land and skilled deinos should be rewarded. bleed sucks and it can just bugger off to go find somewhere else to wallow

[proud coral]

It's gonna fight and receive bleed in water, too

[left nacelle]

Then what about if it gets in a fight in water and then starts bleeding? Then what?

[barren zephyr]

then it goes on land

simple

[left nacelle]

And then it's even more vulnerable? That doesn't make sense

[barren zephyr]

you can defend yourself on land, you arent vulnerable, far from it

[left nacelle]

But deino is vulnerable. If I'm bleeding, I'd much rather be able to be in water where I can run/defend myself much easier

[barren zephyr]

you already have the luxury of escaping into the water, the only thing you'll have to worry about is other deinos and spino when its added

[barren zephyr]

you, thats YOU, YOU want the game to be a breeze just because you picked a good creature. you need skill to grow and keep one of these things, and skill should be obviously knowing when to pick fights and where to heal from fights

[left nacelle]

What about when you're a juvy deino?

[knotty zodiac]

thank you.. someone that thinks also ahead 🤣

[hybrid matrix]

imo, since deino is a crocodile, and crocodiles have thick scales and shit, it should have a high enough bleed resistance (not yet tho, since as far as i can tell, deino is gonna decimate the current roster, excluding stego) that it can swim away and find somewhere else to wallow and heal

[left nacelle]

When I say me, I'm not talking about me specifically, I'm talking about common sense. If I'm bleeding, and I have common sense, I'd want to go somewhere where I'm not vulnerable

[barren zephyr]

giving something the ability to heal its injury after being careless when basically nothing can touch it while it does is ludicrous. its not like it cant just swim downstream undetected anyways, and if you get caught off-guard by your own species that's your fault

[left nacelle]

You still haven't answered my question about juvy deino. What if a juvy deino starts bleeding?

[hybrid matrix]

eventually deino should just have good bleed resistance
there ya go
problem solved
for now it can just swim away and then wallow

[barren zephyr]

we shouldnt treat semis any different to land dinos, because at that point they just become full aquatics, there's no reason to leave the water

[barren zephyr]

it's easier to heal bleed in that cause because you're not as noticeable on the bank and you can always hide in a bush close to the waterline

[knotty zodiac]

yea.. about that try, Hideing a Giant Croc thats around several meters in length in a Bush.. or area thats thick enough to Hide it decently without being in the middle of a Forest

[dark osprey]

Deino is semi aquatic it is supposed to have the advantage in water, I think that should also apply to healing as well, it's not like it can run away anywhere else like land animals can

[knotty zodiac]

correct Rob

[dense wagon]

that makes deino invincible though

[knotty zodiac]

nope

[dense wagon]

how is it not invincible

[knotty zodiac]

as hes still vulnerable to other Deino's let alone to future Semi-Aquatics Predatory in Nature that come in anyway

[dense wagon]

other deinos yes, but other semi aquatics aren't even on the roadmap yet and may not even come this year

deinosuchus only has itself to fear and even then

[knotty zodiac]

sounds like Nature too me

[dense wagon]

why kill other deinos you can team with, when you can just fish for food

[dark osprey]

Not many things would of actively hunted a massive ass croc if you get done by one it's just the way the dice is rolled lol.

[dense wagon]

fish ai gives deino infinite food basically

[knotty zodiac]

aha...

[barren zephyr]

larger crocs can defend themselves and flee from large packs into the water, finding elsewhere to keep healing.

smaller crocs can hide and probably wont need to bleed cause they should be dead from any water encounter, larger crocs will most likely be faster and most certainly be stronger

balance > realism, if a croc can go hump the river floor to heal, it'll never have to worry about death outside its own species.

lets look at the current apex, carno. Carno is balanced because its prey is more agile and can hide, or they can fight back ferociously if they're too slow. a carno is not invincible as being caught off guard by utahs is a death sentence, being careless around stegos/tenos is a death sentence too. its not op because it doesnt have to rely on its only real threat being itself, so should deino

[dark osprey]

Difference is though they are balanced to other land animals

[barren zephyr]

if you're caught off guard by and/or careless while trying to heal bleed, that's your fault, and it makes them more balanced in every sense

[dark osprey]

Water is a whole different place to be just like the air.. deino will eventually get a balanced rival in the waters

[barren zephyr]

its not like the deino cant defend itself either, it 2 shots teno and carno as far as i remember

[tepid gate]

What would be the balanced rival to Deino in the water? Spino? That's not coming any time soon.

[barren zephyr]

but that doesnt necessarily change why it should heal bleed like the rest

[brave rampart]

Sucho would be a rival to anything under adult deino

After deino hits adult

Sucho is a treat

[barren zephyr]

not the point but yes, deino will be uncontested, possibly for years unless they change the roadmap, it needs something natural to work against it that isnt a death sentence, it can defend itself, even the current bleed isnt a death sentence, therefore should stay the same

[tepid gate]

@barren zephyr That was more so to Rob as he's saying Deino will eventually get a balnced rival in the waters.

[dark osprey]

Titanaboa would be a nice rival lol

[tepid gate]

Titanoboa is a midget, it's 1/8 the size of Deinosuchus that we're getting in the game.

[dark osprey]

Its not really 1/8th of it though

Titanaboa was longer but it wouldn't of eaten adults that's for sure

[barren zephyr]

i get that, thought id add it to my argument

[tepid gate]

1.1t in comparison to 8t. It would be Deino fodder. Not to mention it's coming much, much later

Also - it was hypothesised by the devs to be an arboreal predator in the game.

So it's not even meant to be an aquatic animal so far.

[barren zephyr]

im sure itll be able to swim but probably wont be able to dive and stuff

it wont be at home in the water i dont think, unless thats changed

[dark osprey]

Well either way my point stands, so what if deino is uncontested right now? How much time do you spend in the water

[tepid gate]

As other animals? Depends on the animal but as it is most of the gameplay takes place around water.

[dark osprey]

For drinking only and crossing rivers.. it will change so people will be way more cautious about doing so in future

[tepid gate]

That's not exactly true, people swim quite a lot mid-combat in the current game.

[barren zephyr]

look, literally any animal in the game so far is injured or dead upon being found wallowing/healing. an unaware deino or other semi aquatic creature should not get the same treatment, if they are paying attention, they're fine. if they're not, they might die or get hurt more, but at that point it'd be your fault

[barren zephyr]

kinda a death sentence if you're the herbi, i've seen a lot of carnis do it though. most utahs escape carnos by jumping across the stream

its quite smart cause of how slow carno swim is too

[tepid gate]

Yea, that happens a lot, Tenontos swim faster than Carno so they can get away from one rather easily using the water as well but it depends on the cirumstances to a certain extent.

[barren zephyr]

a lot of the time the bigger dinos get stuck trying to "resurface", which can spell doom, i both hope and dont hop that's changed

if a stego falls in the river, i deserve to kill it at that point lmao

[dark osprey]

Whenever you got something bleeding you have it on the run and a croc isn't going to run anywhere else but water, if you even get it to bleed in the first place the fact you survived the attack should be enough for anyone lol..

[hybrid matrix]

did u mean to put this in #general-feedback?

i guess so

[serene patio]

ye my bad hold on

[hybrid matrix]

its fine

[serene patio]

gone

[barren zephyr]

sure, it can flee into the water, nothing stops that, it should be allowed and able to do so, but not heal there. all it has to do is swim downstream or the other side of the swamp and its basically good to heal, it shouldnt be changed

[barren zephyr]

i think its too strong but i heavily disagree with that. for the time being, its borderline invincible par its own species, but down the line several things will be able to trash it

[dense wagon]

the only thing that can effectively kill a deino is deino. so technically..

[barren zephyr]

i agree that with evrimas current stage, its way too powerful

[dark osprey]

Deino isn't a food source though, it's not really necessary for people to actively try and kill it unless your absolutely starved

[dense wagon]

people can't kill deino but deino can kill people

that's the problem

[barren zephyr]

i still believe a smaller crocodile should've been added as a test and more balanced version so they could save deino for when it wouldnt be essentially unkillable

[dark osprey]

But it has to be in the water for it to be effective. It's something you avoid not something you take on just because you need a drink

Its not like it's coming onto land to ruin everything lol

[barren zephyr]

i dont think that being able to wipe stego for being at the wrong water source is okay. im happy for the fear factor and crocodile aspect, but they went too big too quick imo

possible bary rework and a smaller croc wouldve made this update while also telling the devs what they can and cant do with deino when they want it added

[junior crow]

yeah I definitely hope they work on the grabbing system, because being able to pick up a 5 ton animal like a tissue is way too easy

[barren zephyr]

i think it should be able to grab anything half its body weight or less but the heavier it is the slower the deino drags, thats fair i believe

[junior crow]

someone made a good suggestion that heavier dinos when grabbed should initiate a sort of tug of war game

[barren zephyr]

i like that, it also gives another stego time to come to the rescue of the grabbed one

[dark osprey]

The thing is the amount of times people have to drink and go to water.. your not seeing other dinos constantly by the rivers, it's always pretty safe to have a drink. I doubt there will be anywhere close to enough deinos to make drinking as much of a problem as people think. I can't think of another solution to a stego being at the wrong water source other than puddles that would allow small amount of hydration before it's gone as another way of finding water but not as easy to come by like the big water sources are

[barren zephyr]

sure thing, and luck plays a huge part in survival, but this aint real life. gotta remember that the center has a river highway, as do other places, that allow them to patrol for potential prey

[dark osprey]

It might be harder for deino to get a kill than we think we just have to wait and see how it plays out really

[barren zephyr]

there are several places that would most likely be very safe from deino, but that doesnt change the fact that whoever is unlucky enough will be wiped clean without a chance isnt fun

[barren zephyr]

chances are that deinos will fight each other often, which would make sense. we can only wait and see, but i wish that open beta would come sooner so we can really see what'll happen and get it changed before its too late

if update 3 is a flop, then a fair few people who had faith in the game moving forwards will likely dismiss evrima which isnt good, because its looking to be amazing

[dark osprey]

I understand your point, not everyone thinks the same way or plays the same way .. I'd probably have a chuckle if I got dragged into the deep by a deino lol

Its a game where death is inevitable

[barren zephyr]

i accept death in this game if its my fault, thats why i dont like the idea of deino being so strong, its not up to your own skill, its up to chance

[dark osprey]

That's what I like about it though that fear factor really kicks in when it comes to a bit of chance

[barren zephyr]

there arent many games like the EVRIMA where i feel like its up to a players skill to survive, especially when im actually good at the combat element too

like i said, happy for the croc element, but i think its too early for deino rn

[proud coral]

They're doing Deino for future semi aquatics

[barren zephyr]

of course, ill like that part of it, not the part where theres no creature to survive it though, should've waited imo

[proud coral]

Like how Ptera is the base for flyers

[barren zephyr]

if you scroll up, i explain a bit more why a smaller croc would most likely be better

[proud coral]

Ah

[zinc anvil]

they are doing deino to stop most players sitting at water because its free now there will be a risk going to water and drinking

no more bird bath bs

[proud coral]

[dark osprey]

There's always a bit of chance that isn't about skill like the people trying to grow a stego just happens to stumble across an adult carno.. it's the end lol

[barren zephyr]

that: 👍

no counter or rival at evrima current stage: 👎

[zinc anvil]

do animals in the wild counter crocs nope sucks to suck

[barren zephyr]

i feel that babies and juvis should be excluded from the balance element, but i get that

[barren zephyr]

the isle is a video game, and a video game is not real life (i dont think im ever not going to have to say that), balance takes priority here

[zinc anvil]

sometimes there just isnt a counter to it

[junior crow]

hippos counter crocs...

[zinc anvil]

the counter is dont get got drink in smart places and dont go swimming

[junior crow]

some sharks have been seen attacking crocs that swim too far out

[barren zephyr]

aye, kinda true tho. thats why i say they shouldve saved it for sucho/spino being in the game, starting with a smaller croc

[dark osprey]

Exactly

[barren zephyr]

thats essentially locking off huge parts of the map instead of balancing the water camping

[zinc anvil]

deino will be balanced just like everything else

[lilac swallow]

I mean deinos have to eat and they are forced to wait for It, their food should be relatively easy if the are conditions of a prey deciding to drink in the lake you were are met

[zinc anvil]

the play style of deino wont be for everyone either

[dark osprey]

The balance is deino will suck on land and land animals will suck in water

[barren zephyr]

ah yes, dinos in the isle have always been balanced, they've never released a creature that is underpowered, overpowered, straight broken 🦖

[junior crow]

I still think having deino without any form of hostile AI, other playable capable of dealing with it, etc. can be a very bad mix. This is not to say deino will ruin the game, rather I think for the future there should definitely be more animals to challenge it. For the time being I argue that deino should and must heal bleed by rolling in mud on land like everyone else until there are other animals that can give it trouble in the water

[zinc anvil]

they do there best its not easy to balance a game with creatures,its not like guns in a game where you chance some numbers and it just works

[barren zephyr]

when you lose one too many hours to bad game design, you'll rethink it, promise

of course its too early to really assume things, but im positive it will at least be a BIT too strong, especially at evrimas current stage. shouldve saved it for something that can fight it

[dark osprey]

If it comes out to heal on land then the thing that caused it to bleed should be guaranteed dead

[junior crow]

depends

[barren zephyr]

[zinc anvil]

its a massive croc if it wasnt strong there would be no point in adding to the game in general

[modest whale]

where can i find the latest game map?

[barren zephyr]

im not saying i shouldnt be added am i? im not. im saying it shouldnt be added yet

[junior crow]

No one is saying it shouldn't be strong with all due respect.

[barren zephyr]

of course it should be strong, thats like saying that rex shouldnt be strong, but adding something that strong right now is most likely going to be a big fat F

[junior crow]

It's just that further down the line there should be a focus on aquatic ai that can challenge Deino at younger stages. And there should be other playable that can at least have a fighting chance against it in water

[zinc anvil]

with the way deino plays it really wouldn't matter if you add it now or later an when the update comes out you'll see what i mean

[barren zephyr]

maybe, maybe not. long story short is adding it with sucho and spino is a better idea regardless of what happens in its release

and at that point, there would be something that could fight/protect itself from both of them too, the game would be more well rounded balance wise

the current roster is the most balance and fun the isle has ever been, this is one of my favourite games, i dont want them to ruin that

i mean i have an isle cerato pfp ffs

[zinc anvil]

by them adding deino nothing really chances other then there being a risk when you drink

[barren zephyr]

we'll just have to see, but for many personal and factual reasons, i dont have faith that that's ALL it'll be

[barren zephyr]

i dont know people are saying the deino will be too op and how there is no rival when all you gotta do is go to a shallow area where a deino can't lurk lol

let's not forget the deino will be pretty weak in younger stages, it will be incredibly hard to make it to adulthood and if we looks at modern dat crocs not all the babies live to adulthood

you will have utahs, carno's and other herbi's and even other deino's to worry about as a baby deino

i think yes the deino will be op and it has a right to be but at the same time just be smart where you drink and don't stay near the waters edge for too long and you will be fine

[limber bloom]

Same, land speed of Deinosuchus should be slow unless running and its stamina is satisfyingly low. Their lunge bites also take stamina so the player has to be careful and time their strike or their prey will not come back.

[worn pumice]

Land speed deino is slow

And it has abysmal stam

[barren zephyr]

well it having bad stam just doesn't make sense seeing as it needs really good stam to pull a full grown stego or carno or tenontodon into the water so slow on land is fine but i mean if you look at crocs in africa they are pretty quick for their size on land

and back to what i said about the stam, it needs a large pool of stamina in order to pull something in the water and start to drown it

so having the stam low would be bad, i would rather suggest it drain quicker on land than in the water

[barren zephyr]

ah yes, being almost useless when young definitely translates to balance

as for everything else, wrong. the stam pool doesnt stop it from 2 shotting the mid tiers. the stam pool doesnt stop it from hiding from anything other than its self in the water. it can drag in anything atm. there is no counter in terms of a creature, game luck and bording off most of the map isnt a counter, that should be obvious. the idea that this is a good pick for so early in evrimas development is ridiculous

and stam barely correlates to anything, no matter what stam is, it'll still be able to turn in place, only thing it cant do is lunge, boo hoo

stego is balanced because you can chose not to fight it, you cant chose what creature to get ambushed by and when

[barren zephyr]

it doesnt need to drown it, once anything other than a carno is in the water, it is basically useless, thats all the deino has to do, get it in

[barren zephyr]

yes i agree

even carno will 100% lose to a deino in a head to head water fight of just face tanking

my only thing is people saying it's too op and needs to be nerfed but there is no reason for any of it's stas or size to change i mean it's a super croc for god's sake

it doesn't need anything taken away from it lol it is suppose to be menacing and strong

just be smart about where you drink and have friends to help if you get caught up

on land it loses everytime

the only way i can see deino being remotely balanced as of now is making the dragging be heavily effected by weight. anything half of its weight or less can be dragged but the heavier it is the slower the dragging speed

[barren zephyr]

see that i agree with

a stego or like a rex or something bigger than itself should cost a lot of stamina to pull it in

that is fine

[barren zephyr]

i get that. i dont know why some people dont want it to be in the game. im not saying it shouldnt be added, im saying its not smart to add at the current moment without a weight change at least. If they added it when there was a herbi tanky enough to not get dragged or spino and sucho are in to fight it, thats fine, but theres nothing like that in the game right now

what gets me is when people say "oh its not fair it doesn't have a rival" maybe it doesnt have a rival but as soon as other dinos get added it will

[barren zephyr]

of course, there needs to be no stat changes to health or damage. its supposed to be strong and thats a good thing, but something so strong this soon isnt right for the game or healthy

[barren zephyr]

well you see that makes sense. lets say they added carno without stego, basically nothing can deal with a carno group at that point, leaving carno to be unbalanced and dare i say overpowered. saying they'll add something to fight it later doesnt fix what is the players' experience at that current moment

[barren zephyr]

i totally agree with that it doesnt have a equal or a counter but at the same time almsot 80 percent of the population of deino's will be taken down as babies either from others or it's kind of by bigger carni's

yes, cannibalism will be rampant, of course. most deinos will die that way. but carno is balanced not because there are cannibals, but because there are counters to it

[dense wagon]

what will take baby deinos down

[barren zephyr]

apart from other deinos, nothing really. they'll be able to get to the swamp and just chill while growing most likely

[barren zephyr]

raptors, carnos, teno's and stego's easily they all can kill baby deino pretty easily, all they would have to do is what for one dumb deino to leave the water and that baby is dead

[dense wagon]

in the water? absolutely not.
the only thing that can is other deinos

and even then

[barren zephyr]

but a deino wont fight those things, it'll just feed on fish, it can eat underwater

[dense wagon]

what i'm saying is, other deinos won't know there is a baby deino to eat

[barren zephyr]

im sure the fish will stop being a viable source after the hatchling phase, heck even in the juvi phase

elite fish

and then once they're sub, they can start fucking shit up basically

[dense wagon]

deino's underwater vision is primarily based off sensory
fish ai give off the same vibrations as other deinos

[barren zephyr]

ok i can see when it gets to sub then yeah but juvi will be pretty weak and it will still have to worry about others of its kind

[barren zephyr]

yeah that is true

maybe we will see how it all plays out

they still have like 15 tasks to go on it

im sure after the players get their hands on it the devs will tweak it accordingly

again. lets say that rex was in the game and the only other creature was a slow herbivore that couldnt defend itself. rex does what its supposed to, but its unbalanced, and cannibal rexes dont change that. if a trike was already in the game, then it would be fair, because you can choose to play as trike to deal with the rex fairly, not picking trike leaves you open to danger, rex then would be balanced. deino has this issue, it does what its supposed to, anything that isnt a counter should be dead, but right now there is no dino to chose that can counter it, leaving it unbalanced

i don't think the Deino will be that much of a menace when it releases and i for one plan on maining the deino

[barren zephyr]

ok yes i can see where that would be hella frustrating to contend with given your example

maybe the devs have a trick up there sleeve for a counter

[dense wagon]

the slow herbivore is magy

[barren zephyr]

and even if it doesn't have a rival right now it will suck but players will just have to come up with ways to manage the deino like maybe finding shallow places to drink that the deino cant lurk in

[barren zephyr]

magy moment

[silent current]

leave magy alone i love it soo what x3

have you seen a cape Buffalo, rhino, or hippo run?

their terrifying

[barren zephyr]

when the egg stealers come and nesting gets in i think it will level out

[barren zephyr]

yeah, thats fine. only issue like i said is that it blocks off huge areas of the map just cause theres a big croc

[silent current]

this heavy creature that could very easily out run aperson and trample you to death

[barren zephyr]

like half the map is now uninhabitable

[paper oriole]

Yeah because theyre big for mammals, take that buffalo and downsize it to like 40lb and its magy compared to the isle roster

[barren zephyr]

i don't think it will lol i think people are over estimnating the Deino a bit here lol

2 shots mid tiers...

no overestimation to be seen

[silent current]

i can see magy being able to out stam things and possible fracturing things by using its own weight which could help it

[barren zephyr]

it is strong as it should be, leading for many to fear going near it

[barren zephyr]

wait do we know it can two shot everything lmaoo i mean that would be amazing

[silent current]

i mean just because it looks like a big fat slow herbivore doesn't mean it'll be one

[barren zephyr]

it one shot a rex in a dev stream

[silent current]

i mean that's exactly what gets 100 people killed by hippos a year

[barren zephyr]

also bring friends near the water or at least do a drink here move drink there move again type thing

[barren zephyr]

well then if it can one shot a rex then there is no clear rival to it

[paper oriole]

Hippos are way bigger than us or its predators

[barren zephyr]

gotta remember all the running rivers that link locations tho. also what is a carno gonna do if a friend suddenly gets whipped and nae naed on?

[barren zephyr]

hippos dont have predators not that i think

[silent current]

"aww look at the big fat herbivore its too slow to get me and its a herbivore so it won't attack me"
The hippo in the river:

[paper oriole]

Magy is smaller than a large number of fast mid tier predators

And apexes not to mention

And spiteful herbis like me who will kfs it

[silent current]

size doesn't make something weak or slow

[barren zephyr]

honestly the thought of that with how you put it is hilarious af

[paper oriole]

Its supposed to be a match for cerato, who is a small predator in the grand scheme of things

[barren zephyr]

herbis are fine being strong as long as they arent fast, herbis need no rival/counter really, you can always pick a different herbi to eat. might've said this before but you cant exactly chose which pred you wanna get ambused by

[silent current]

yeah that's why i said it'd be cool if it could out stam predators laarger than it

[barren zephyr]

but cerato is not supposed to be able to fight allo, so allo will wreck magy if magy and cera have an even 50/50 matchup

[silent current]

its literally the okapi of isle dinos

[hybrid matrix]

yes u can
its easy! (didnt mean to hit enter yet)
would u rather get ambushed by a rex? or a utahraptor?

[paper oriole]

Yes magy will be demolished by allo and alberto and everybody probably even troodon

[barren zephyr]

clearly, just log out!

[silent current]

guys i found modern magy

[barren zephyr]

Deino will rule over all apparently lmaooo

[silent current]

look see the majestic modern magy

okapis are cute though

[barren zephyr]

this would make excellent deino food

[barren zephyr]

can you decide while its teeth are halfway up your ass? not really

[silent current]

NO

shut

[hybrid matrix]

[barren zephyr]

lmaoo

[paper oriole]

Magy is more like a deer with bricks tied to its legs

[hybrid matrix]

that is a disgusting visual shifty

[barren zephyr]

haha

[silent current]

Okapi is a large herbivore that hides extremly well

its hard to spot em in the wild

[barren zephyr]

shifty has great ways of explaining the whole fucktude of something

honestly, i think id rather a rex ambush me

utah mains passed the 3rd grade

rex mains only passed the 2nd

[paper oriole]

Both are awful

[barren zephyr]

Deino mains never went to school

fuck imma be a Deino main though lol

[hybrid matrix]

fair enough

[barren zephyr]

okay, on a serious note.

the new apexes seem like they'll take skill to grow and probably skill to keep too, and im glad. little 8 year old Gerald who just spent £405 off his moms credit card to spend on lives shouldnt be granted the power of a trex, not for very long at least

[barren zephyr]

i totally agree and honestly i forgot about being able to just buy lives and grows for a Deino lmaoo

this will be crazy af

please dont, atleast try to grow it once first

yes please dont lmao even i a future Deino main is saying no to that

it will be amazing to fight and try to survive to adulthood as a deino

i for one will probably never spend money on lives cause i think that im good enough to grow out my dinosaurs, but i might do it on occasion if im bored and just wanna kill things, i wouldnt buy a deino tho, probably like a cera

[barren zephyr]

same, it's a special feeling to see your Dino grow to be adult after all the struggle of getting it to that stage and showing it off

if Magy ends up being anything higher than C tier remind me to give you all a chicken nugget

lmfaooo i forget the maggy is the one that makes all other dinos tummy hurt except the cerato right?

what else will it do, is it just a herbi that doesn't taste good?

[paper oriole]

Its purpose is to be killed for fun and then turn into a rotten gorepile if its actually inedible to most of the roster

[barren zephyr]

in my opinion it's quite an unattractive lot lol

pretty much tbh, its main defence kicks in when its dead. id probably just kill them out of spite that i cant eat them

[paper oriole]

I'm definitely going to spite kill them

[barren zephyr]

i look forward to pulling them in the water to watch them float

"you'll float too"

-deinosuchus 2021

i wonder if the devs will put like floating logs in the game for the Deino, probably not though seeing as it would be a "safe haven" of sorts

[barren zephyr]

yesss lmaoo

[barren zephyr]

that'd remind me of that one Land before Time movie where they try hiding from the mosasaur in a floating log

[barren zephyr]

yess bro lmao

[barren zephyr]

yeah probably, cant wait for other strong semi aquatics though, like beipi

[barren zephyr]

the what?

quack

oh the duck of the isle

ok ok i would liek to see this lol

[barren zephyr]

never fear, the deinos counter is here!

one of the food sources for the Deino

how big will it be

if i cant terrorise newborn deinos as this thing im uninstalling

i think its smaller in the isle but there you go

[barren zephyr]

you would expect as much right?

heck even juvi's might have problems

[barren zephyr]

possibly if its that size with those claws

[barren zephyr]

those claws are gonna be a real "equalizer" for the Deino for real, espceially babies and juvi's

this is why im not concerned about the Deino because i know in about maybe two-three months there will either be the cerato or the beipi to level things out

cerato wont do crap, it'll swim on the surface

its just that in-between moment that people will fuss over

[barren zephyr]

it will be more than enough to kill babies and juvi's

[barren zephyr]

understandably, the game will basically be broken until then. gotta remember that perks are coming before update 5, unless they change it then it'll take half a year at least probably

i think it wil be very hard for the Deino with the cannibalism let alone all the other stuff trying to take it out before it has a chance to get older

[barren zephyr]

im hoping we can get to update 7 by christmas but here's hoping

not impossible, id guess that all 8 updates would be done by about spring 2022

oh 7? nah, dont think so. 6 for sure, but 7 might not come till next year

[barren zephyr]

i meanfrom update 4 to update 7 there isn't that many dino's coming out, not like now where they releasing Dinos that are required to take more time to fine tune

perks are gonna take ages though, so will diets

its more the features than the creatures that are consuming time in the next updates

and once perks and diets are out, every update after will take that tiny bit longer

[barren zephyr]

yeah i take back what i said lol it might be next summer when everything is said and done, hell maybe even next winter

i kinda hope they change the roadmap, i really wanna see a ceratopsian in by the end of the year, its one of the only groups of dinos that isnt appearing

i think the cerato and the pachy are gonna be the final ones added this year, im hoping for the maggy and trodon and dilo but who knows

need the night vision first lol

update 5/6 will likely be the last of the year, thats for sure

in my opinion if they canned legacy and just focused on evrima everything will be faster

[barren zephyr]

they arent working on legacy anymore

[barren zephyr]

that sucks cuz i would love to see nesting this year

[barren zephyr]

they might not be working on it but it takes up money and server space to keep it running and those resources would be better used for evrima but thats just me

even if my legacy doesnt run properly, i know why people love it so much. it has more variety, a better map imo, and a bigger playerbase. I dont wanna see it go, but it will eventually

now that i think about it the perk system and the diet system will probably take forever to complete

[barren zephyr]

yeah there is no doubt it will be replaced, i can't wait to see what evrima wil be like two years from now

i think that by 2023 we will have a nice assortment of all different creatures in a functional and dare i say balanced ecosystem. i think burrowing may be in by then, meaning proto and minmi will likely be added, and we might start seeing some apexes as well as older faces like allo, dibble, maia

[barren zephyr]

yeah i think once the roadmap is done or at least the version we have now, we will start seeing some old faces like the trike and para and stuff

[barren zephyr]

Of course, wouldn't doubt that at all. I hope that they do add some new faces in with the old ones though

i do believe the devs stated they weould add the old once the new are done

Let's say that update 10 is the "preds return update", bringing back allo, Bary and a new prey item that works with them

Then the same with herbi, "preys return update" with dibble, para and a carni that fits them

that would be awrsome but let's stay focused lol

Yeah I guess, I just wanna play as dibble again

[silent current]

guys look at my suggestion it stupid but thing i thought of

[barren zephyr]

I actually really like that. It both makes sense and is something I never thought of

[paper oriole]

when fruit is overripe it typically has already fallen off the plant

[barren zephyr]

What if its underripe?

[paper oriole]

also how would herbis theoretically avoid the bad berries while eating the bush, if a bush has some berries gone bad you just wasted the time following its scent or what lol

[barren zephyr]

If the bush has a dark green scent it's unripe?

[silent current]

idk i mean the devs do plant on adding poison soo possibly just gotta watch out for some sort of colloration

[paper oriole]

oops this bush has 4 unripe berries on it guess i'll move on, as plants seem to have one singular 'hitbox' or whatever

[barren zephyr]

i would like to as a herbi be able to push on a tree and knock it down or at least knock down fruit

But some dinos will be able to handle it+

[paper oriole]

like with treefruit i think it'd be cool if there was ripe and unripe fruit, where the ripe fruit could give some sort of bonus and the unripe would simple remove that bonus, and certain herbis like hypsi could smell the difference to encourage symbiotic relationships

but with berries idk, since it would ruin the whole bush if eating one with a few bad fruits would mess you up

thing with corpses is its the carnis fault if it goes bad, the body always starts out good

[barren zephyr]

What if unripe fruit was good for hypsi? It'd remove the bonus but make the stomach acid spit more potent

[paper oriole]

idk maybe special fruits like citrus would give a bonus to hypsi

[barren zephyr]

Like it'd last longer or do a tiny bit of damage or something

I just wanna be able to spit in a Carnos mouth while it's roaring and kill it

[paper oriole]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZn2Y9E6TtI

this squirrel can smell the ripe fruits apart from the unripe ones, the monkeys take advantage of it. i think hypsi could do this willingly for a larger herbi in exchange for a bodyguard/meatshield

so either hypsi or another small arboreal herbi at least can have that mechanic for ripe and unripe fruit stuff.

[barren zephyr]

Makes sense, yeah

What if Cerato had a short bleed damage buff after eating rotten flesh cause the bacteria in its mouth

[paper oriole]

ya ive always thought itd be cool if cerato got some sort of necrotic bite if he ate a lot of rotten shit

maybe give a visual drooling on the buff, make people see him and go "yeah i dont wanna even bother with that"
though i thought maybe the debuff from his bite would weaken what ever parts he hit, making them more vulnerable to bleed and damage as that area was infected and needed to be cleaned off

even an apex wouldnt want to deal with that and add to cerato's apparent honey badger vibes where big things avoid it despite its size

[barren zephyr]

I like the drooling part, idk if it needs to be that complicated with sectional bleeding but if it sped up the bleed out while "rotten" that would be neat, bleed is kinda useless rn

[paper oriole]

yea bleed may as well not even be in the game right now

but if they go all in on locational damage i think infecting the area you bit with the buff would work pretty well, otherwise something bleed related could work too

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, and that might work for venom too. A stegos tail infected with venom or a rotten bite swings slower or takes up more stam. The body makes it run slower and the head makes its camera shake or its bite slower/less damaging

[paper oriole]

though venom is intended to spread through the bloodstream faster than an infection usually does, that might work for troo's venom since it is supposed to make you sluggish

wouldnt make as much sense for dilo who basically injects you with drugs

[barren zephyr]

I guess but the whole making the camera shake to simulate dizzyness would work for dilo

Shake/sway/blurr, take your pick

@paper oriole @barren zephyr @dense wagon
If you had control over an update, what carnivore, herbivore and semi aquatic would you add? Only one can be an "apex"

[barren zephyr]

i would add the megladon or mosa

[paper oriole]

i'd probably do plateo, bary and atopo or notho because i want all 3 to be beach/mangrove bois

but they seem to be going the jaguar route with bary lol

[barren zephyr]

Oooo, me likey

[paper oriole]

plateo and bary would pair well i think

[barren zephyr]

Aren't those full aquatics? What about the others?

[barren zephyr]

hoenstly other than the Rex and Deino i don't need any other lol those are my two most favorite dino

Damn, I expected more from you
Fair enough

[golden iron]

for there to be fermenting berries, they'd need to increase the frequency of the bushes by a good amount so that theres at least a few safe-edible bushes in the area for a couple of herbies

[barren zephyr]

You can always just graze unless they change that

i think the devs have something in mind when it comes to variety of food

[paper oriole]

if they still plan on punishing poor diet then ya i think there would def need to be more bushes if they added fermenting berries

[barren zephyr]

i think fruit and stuff will be in

[paper oriole]

because i twould suck if you just got unlucky and were punished for being forced to graze

[barren zephyr]

i like the idea of spoiled fruit and stuff but then what else would there be because the carni's will have spoiled meat but what will the herbi's have

[paper oriole]

though differencce is the carnis get spoiled meat because they dont eat it fast enough so its their doing lol

[barren zephyr]

They could do the same with the bushes

that is true

[paper oriole]

bushes just spawn in, carnis make living things in to corpses

[barren zephyr]

If it isn't visited by a herbi fast enough it go Ew yucky

[paper oriole]

if you knock fruit from a tree then it makes sense for that fallen fruit to be timed

[barren zephyr]

Make them build farms!

[barren zephyr]

more than likely it will just despawn

[paper oriole]

but bushes just spawning with a timer punishes herbis for something they couldnt control

while fallen fruit is something they do control

just like the bodies

[barren zephyr]

yeah and this is why it will be a long road for this game lol

[silent current]

treefruit can also fall from trees

[barren zephyr]

that's if it gets put in the game firstly

[paper oriole]

yea its jus an idea lol

[barren zephyr]

yeah thats why we here

[paper oriole]

yeap

[barren zephyr]

i like the idea of having herbis knocked down trees or rustle tree's for fruit

and the bronto and long necks can jump up to reach tall trees and trikes can knock trees over

[barren zephyr]

gotta give me time to think lol i think the devs put a lot of great things in already in legacy so it's hard to say what i want in the game

maybe a dire wolf or mamoth or maybe giant sloth bear idk lol

im trying to keep it to dinos tho

It's okay if you can't think of one

[paper oriole]

oh god return of the dire wolf mod

[barren zephyr]

maybe some different types from the raptor family or from the trike family

honestly when the Deino was announced my brain was like "welp that's all imma be playing as now"

[paper oriole]

if i were to add something else to the trike family it'd have to be a chasmo or something, or koreaceratops. we have 7 ceratopsians who will most likely be added eventually lol

well i think 7

[barren zephyr]

i love crocs lol so Deino is not hard for me to main as lol

I can tell you mine though:

Carni: Liliensternus
Herbi: Iguanodon
Semi: Archelon

[paper oriole]

iguanadon chad

[barren zephyr]

i would like to see the iguanadon lol thanks to the movie dinosaurs by disney

[barren zephyr]

👍

i would also like to see the anchy and parasaur

since evrima makes all the dino's look even better that is

the utah from legacy is nothing compared to the utah from evrima

the evrima versions are by far better

[paper oriole]

if i added 3 new, ignoring the chad iguanadon, it would probably be prestosuchus, miragaia (because i love it even if its bad) and masiakasaurus as a beach comber/fisher

[barren zephyr]

and we are always discovering new dino's so who knows what will be in

THE INDORAPTOR

RAPTAR!!!

[barren zephyr]

Omg dawndi add Rudy from ice age plsplsplsplsplspls

lmaooo

[steady lintel]

whatcha guys think about people actually wanting fake dinos in the game

[paper oriole]

no thanks, unless they're lab mutants which makes sense

[barren zephyr]

it would fit seeing as the island gives off that jurassic world vibe

[paper oriole]

like i'm lowkey a fan of the chimaera herbi mutants

[barren zephyr]

As long as its Thanos I'm fine with it

[steady lintel]

mutants that came from real dinos like the hypers are fine imo

[barren zephyr]

ok enough is enough im ready for Deino dammnit lmaoo

[paper oriole]

like this kinda shit for herbis would be mmmMMM but it will probably never happen, doesn't fit into the lore or whatever idk

[barren zephyr]

Barney!

[barren zephyr]

never know i mean they said they plan on adding dlc after the game is done

[paper oriole]

maybe, though so far herbis have 0 cool stuff revealed for them which makes me kinda sad

[barren zephyr]

if i can be a QA it would be amazing lol

[paper oriole]

even plants are gonna have strains and herbis have nothing

[steady lintel]

once they bring back modding something like this will prob happen

[barren zephyr]

im sure the berbis will havbe something as the perk system drops

[barren zephyr]

Kinda reminds me of ankylodocus ngl

[paper oriole]

because it is lol

[barren zephyr]

Oop

i would like to see a terydactil

[paper oriole]

what

[barren zephyr]

Tieraknowsawus rex

this

[paper oriole]

oh pteranodon

we getting it

[barren zephyr]

naw it's bigger than a pteranodon

[paper oriole]

yo i saw that anky prime

[icy lion]

pterodactyls arent larger than pteras

[mellow seal]

aren't they basically the same thing

[barren zephyr]

oh welp sorry if im mistaken lol

[worn pumice]

[icy lion]

to most people when they think of pterodactyl they actually mean pteranodon, theyre different

[paper oriole]

pterodactyl is just a blanket term i thought?

[mellow seal]

hmmm

[icy lion]

its much more of a blanket yea

[barren zephyr]

if it is my bad lol

[icy lion]

its alright! common mistake

[barren zephyr]

yeah lol

There's pterodactylus which is different but I thought pterodactyl was a misspelling?

i would like to see a lot of flyers and aquatics

[barren zephyr]

Thanos

[steady lintel]

yes

[barren zephyr]

gives us a break from land lol

[steady lintel]

we need it

[paper oriole]

i want an herbi flyer. pterodaustro, tupandactylus or europejara would be cool

[barren zephyr]

The Infinity Fossils

i would liek to see flying fishers, i mean i no the pteranodon is a fisher but still

like dragging our mouth throught the water type stuff

then whap Deino lmaoo

as yall can tell im just excited the Deino is about to drop in the next three months

[steady lintel]

next three months

i hope not

[barren zephyr]

lmaoo

Top 1 reason the Isle sucks

You can't get ocean man'd by a mosa as a flyer

[steady lintel]

yet

[paper oriole]

yet

[barren zephyr]

wait what i thought it would be possible for a mosa to grab one out of the air

i mean the deino can right?

[cedar pulsar]

I don’t think mosa’s will be able to rocket into the sky BoB style but while a ptera is feeding I can see it happening

[barren zephyr]

The Isle news posted a video about the public beta for update 3, havent seen it but it might give info

[barren zephyr]

wait what

[steady lintel]

it will prob be able to fling its body out like modern great whites tho

[barren zephyr]

yeah i can see that

[barren zephyr]

God I hope they can, I really do. Atleast they might make megalodon and icthys do it

[cedar pulsar]

I can see a mosa jumping out of the water
just not..into the stratosphere

[barren zephyr]

the megladon and icthys fights will be funny lol

[barren zephyr]

https://youtu.be/heieoXmlXns

Oh, it's not actually much, they're just a bit late to the part I think

I didn't realise

What would everyone's main be if all aquatics were available in the game?

[steady lintel]

none i prob wouldnt touch em much

[barren zephyr]

Deino all day lol

obviously

I'd definitely be an Opthalmosaurus

and it was stated about "different foods" and "completely reworked rivers" so im excited for update 3

[steady lintel]

i bouta head out before we get in trouble having a normal convo in the feedback channel

[barren zephyr]

That's semi aquatic, fresh water. What about full salt waters?

[barren zephyr]

megladon or mosa maybe even a ichtys

[barren zephyr]

yeah same lmaoo

maybe give aquatics certain kinds of rock formations or sea grass or silt in the river, lake or ocean floor that they can rub against to kind of clot it and semi's just go on land and wallow in mud, i mean it would make it fair for everyone else who has to deal with semi's and not have them babysit what ever water that they are in

i don't think this is a bad suggestion at all

anyone wanna chime in?

[steady lintel]

I think silt would make the most sense out of all those

But still idk I think the mud bleed system is just flawed and if they wanted a universal system maybe they should just change the entire thing up all together

So they can do stuff that’s applicable for every animal

[barren zephyr]

the mud wallowing for land animals is great the way it is and semi's can just wallow like everyone else, it doesn't need much thought

they don't need to worry about aquatics cuz we nowhere near that yet

Deino players need to get out of the water to bask to regain stam and heal that way its fair to everyone

done and done

it really doesn't need this much thought that everyone is giving it in my opinion

everyone keeps talking about how crocs are great at not bleeding and healing themselves so if anything just let the Deino have less severe bleeding if anything and just take normal damage

[barren zephyr]

if they do something specific to every animal then they would never get the bleeding system done, it's fine the way it is and Deino players and semi's will just have to make due with wallowing in mud for now, the deino doesnt have to run right back in water after wallowing, it will be fine finding a island or a small hidden area to wait while it heals

[upbeat marten]

People are saying it should wallow in mud then rest for it to harden to keep it balanced. I think that suggestion isn't whats best because Punch said the Deinosuchus basking would regenerate a seperate stamina bar that is for the lunge ability, so the deino already has to come out of the water to use its main ability
I think Crinities algae idea is the best idea for the Deinosuchus clotting its wounds, cause it makes more sense and the Deino already has to come out of the water to recharge its ability.

[barren zephyr]

But see that's the thing though, the Deino doesn't need anything to clot its wounds it can just get out of water to heal and as for basking to regain stam that is a great idea and suits its species

[upbeat marten]

Yeah punch said once that basking would be used to regen a different stam bar specifically for the lunge ability
I think the best ideas for the deino clotting is either giving it good bleed resistence because alligators/crocodiles do have good bleed resistence irl and also have that scaly armor on their backs. Or adding Algae for the Deino to rub up against or something like that, but making algae grow on rocks or in still waters like ponds and swamps

[barren zephyr]

See yeah it has natural resistance to damage and bleed already and it needs to come out of the water so it doesn't just camp in the water so I think wallowing and then using the mud to harden would be a great idea

Although leaving the mud on for too long without wallowing again or washing it off could be a negative effect and it could be fun

[upbeat marten]

yeah there isnt really a bad idea for it I guess

cause its open for debate

[barren zephyr]

Yeah there are no bad ideas

I like to hear different thoughts and stuff

I just cant wait to see what it would be like once it gets through QA

[upbeat marten]

Yeah
I wonder what they will choose

[barren zephyr]

If this beta is a thing we need it now

[upbeat marten]

What?

[barren zephyr]

There is talk about a beta for update 3

[upbeat marten]

Oh yeah

Hypno said that

I think there should be a beta

[barren zephyr]

I agree

[crimson dragon]

Hey everyone, I'm stuck on the "I understand" message in the menu, if I click "I understand" nothing happens. It just stays there. I can't seem to get past it.

[worn pumice]

go to #pinned-troubleshooting

[mild socket]

@karmic plank they have a kind of scar system with locked health. Not allowing you to heal totally for a longer ammount of time

[karmic plank]

yes i know but i would like a more permanent scar system

like tryophies for winning your battles

@mild socket

[mild socket]

Grazing is already broken. Literally if you find some water in a far off space you never need to find food

[paper oriole]

Slow large herbies like anky and stego should IMO be able to make grazing a major part of their diet without punishment. Anky especially seems like it would live on large amounts of low quality vegetation as a staple

Trike though yeah, would look stupid seeing it try to live off grass

Also the size isn’t the only thing to consider, stegosaurus has a long skull with rows of teeth on the back similar to modern ungulates who eat grass all the time

[umbral ice]

Concerning Dienoshuchus bleed, crocodilians in general heal very guickly, plus their Hyde is like armour, might sound stupid, but why not just make them immune to bleed? Another idea I had was maybe add a layer of sediment/mud at the bottom of rivers and other water bodies where the Dieno could sit and heal bleed

[barren zephyr]

Why are people having massive discussions about deinos bleed, just make it have normal bleed, there's literally no reason why deino should have a unique bleed system.

[kindred flare]

Because buddy, it has to NOT ruin the game. The second idea sound nice but this is a video game, meaning that will take a whole bunch of new materials and planning and likely new bugs to go along with it, although i like the idea

[kindred flare]

Because if deino ant get rid of its bleed one or two bites from a giga and its done for, the whole point of the wallowing system is so you can escape without dying for it.

[barren zephyr]

ok? Then it should just avoid giga, deino can swim and stay in the water until the giga leaves.

Its fine if giga beats deino, deino can just run away.

People just don't want "big bad croc apex" to have a weakness I guess

[kindred flare]

And then die in the water. Giga has a fast trot so it could just catch up on foot

[barren zephyr]

This isnt legacy, that doesnt matter.

[kindred flare]

If something doesnt have a weakness it throws balance out the window

Yes but so far, aside from some new models and stuff, everything is similar, the calls the speed scaling, size range *excluding allo sized carno)

[barren zephyr]

And??? That doesnt mean that every animal will stay the same.

Also deino could just swim away to a different side of the lake if giga bites it, and giga probably wont added for YEARS, so why worry about it?

[umbral ice]

It could have no bleed but still be balanced, sorry I didn’t clarify that, that’s why I said it probably sounds stupid, it could suffer from some other kind of Debuf to make up for it, I still stand by my first idea too, it could be balanced out with some other logical weakness, also sitting at the bottom of a body of water to heal would come with risks too to balance it out.

[barren zephyr]

@tiny compass

"Nature seems to disagree with you" isn't a argument when it comes to a video game, and adding a OP mechanic that screws over bleeders because of "immersion" is dumb.

Changing the bleeding systems for semi aquatics does nothing but make them easier to play for no reason.

[barren zephyr]

THANK YOU YOU BEAUTIFUL MAN

[tiny compass]

@barren zephyr Healing while submerged is not op or dumb by any means, your desperate reaction maybe is. I know these games are not supposed to be simulators but you can’t ignore nature just for the sake of making a natural op predator less op...The simple fact Deino as any crock is slower than other land animals on land, stamina might drain faster, will render it vulnerable to almost anything ... speaking of land creatures, It would be nice to see them being able to kick not just bite while swimming or in the water ...

[dark osprey]

The only reason people are getting upset about it being "op" is that they expect to be able to actively kill it rather than being able to survive it. So they are a little backwards tbh. Like you have said it will have to go on land regardless and put itself into a vulnerable position. Going to the water to heal makes the most sense regardless because it has absolutely no where else to go. Unlike everything else that can run into the jungle to get away from a deino if they survive the initial attack.

[tiny compass]

@dark osprey I couldn’t agree more 👍

[lilac swallow]

Same

[worn pumice]

i still think it should come out of the water for the process of stopping bleed

healing the bleed meter is fine

underwater

[tiny compass]

Deino will have to be out on land for many reasons, nesting, changing its hunting ground, escaping other Deinos...so why all the hysteria against stopping the bleeding while submerged. What about it won’t be able to stop bleeding if not completely submerged, which will force it not to feed or harm anything else while bleeding ...

[urban flax]

Why don't just give Deino some bleed resistance ? It's easier to balance and fine-tune than a complete new mechanic. If it's too hard to kill, reduce it's bleed resistance. If it's too easy, increase it. No need for silt/algae/drying mud/special healing when submerged

imo in most cases deino shouldn't have to care a lot about bleed. If it got severely injured, then it'll need to wallow like any other dino. But if there's something strong enough to put deino in such a dire situation, it'd be a little unfair that the big croc can simple hide in the water to heal faster (especially considering what I've said above, it'll already heal bleed much faster than most other playables)

[worn pumice]

u dont want deino to heal everything underwater

healing bleed and hp is fine imo

[hybrid matrix]

hey this is what i said yesterday

[urban flax]

Yes it is
As long as it doens't totally negate the threat of bleed

[urban flax]

I guess we have the same opinion then

[worn pumice]

deino shouldnt even be able to get pounced either

[hybrid matrix]

duh

[urban flax]

It can get pounced, but probably won't die from it.

Not when underwater though

[worn pumice]

obviously

[urban flax]

But if a deino for whatever reason walks in the middle of a group of raptors, I don't see why it shouldn't be punished for it

[worn pumice]

ofc

deino shouldn't be running around on land anyways

[barren zephyr]

bro what? it has an even or advantageous fight against everything thats fast enough to catch it before it retreats into the water and moves to a new healing spot. there is no such thing as being vulnerable for healing bleed, there is being unwary and in a bad position, which is the players fault. if you get screwed by something trying to heal off bleed, then that's your fault. Carnos get 2 shot, stego is too slow, utahs are likely 1 shot and you can still just retreat back into water and relocate, its not exactly like you cant defend yourself either

[worn pumice]

healing the bleed meter is fine in water imo but the actual process of stopping bleed should be done on land till ur done bleeding

[barren zephyr]

as for the dinosaurs coming to the game that may change this, i highly doubt any of them will be fast enough AND strong enough to catch you off guard

[worn pumice]

the only dinosaur capable of standing against deino currently is stego

if they balance it right

[barren zephyr]

if you're a bad deino and careless, you don't deserve to keep your deino. it should not be changed to give semi aquas even more luxury than they already have

[barren zephyr]

precisely, and as i said, stego is too loud and slow to even sneak up on a player healing their bleed unless they aren't playing attention

[worn pumice]

exactly

[tiny compass]

How do you know that, did you play it already?

[barren zephyr]

streams and common knowledge tells you that a thing with around 50k neutons of bite force can defend itself just fine

[tiny compass]

Crocks in nature don’t hunt outside water like other land predators due to its morphology so I expect Deino to be slower while outside, and yes a land predators can outrun and outmaneuver a water predator, or it should ...

[worn pumice]

lol u think a carno is going to stand up to it? utah? teno? no obviously only stego has the chance of fighting it

unless in packs

[barren zephyr]

the point isnt that it can go hunt on land, its that it can protect itself if it wallows and heals next to a river, which is what this conversation is about

[urban flax]

Well a single utah can beat a carno in evrima
Size doesn't matter that much, skill is more important than in legacy

[worn pumice]

that is becuz pounce is a lil wack

but apart from that if the carno died to one utah

the carno doesnt know how to play

[urban flax]

That or the utah is very good

[tiny compass]

@worn pumice u could say the same for Deino if the player is unskilled

[worn pumice]

this goes for anything tho

u can say a pachy can kill a rex if the rex is bad

[tiny compass]

I’d say Deino should be slower overall

[worn pumice]

balance wise assume that the players are of equal skill

[tiny compass]

I’ve seen Utah killing 2 rexes in the same match

Adult rexes

[worn pumice]

the carno at any time can just run away from the utah its faster

no excuse for the carno to die to 1 utah

[barren zephyr]

it is slow, it shouldnt be able to hunt on land, thats the point. but it isnt exactly useless on land

[urban flax]

If it flees, the utah still won. Question is who beats who, not if it actually kills it.

[worn pumice]

its going to be slow but it doesnt make it useless its still gonna have the same bite N

[tiny compass]

@barren zephyr I don’t think it’s intended to

[worn pumice]

not rly no the utah won the fight yes but if they both survived then it doesnt count

[hybrid matrix]

i just posted a suggestion about trot speed btw

[barren zephyr]

what? are you kidding? its called a semi aquatic for a reason. itd make sense if a mosasaur was useless on land cause of course it is, but this is a semi aquatic predator, not a fish. it can hunt in water and defend itself on land

[hybrid matrix]

^

[worn pumice]

^

[urban flax]

Okay. But to return to the initial point, it's not that unlikely for a carno to beat a deino. And deino might not have the chance to go away depending of if it's near water or not.

[worn pumice]

but thats the players fault not the deino itself

deinos running on land should be killed as they shouldn't be doing that

[hybrid matrix]

yup

deino trotting on land makes sense (if its raised belly)

[worn pumice]

a stego can even kill a deino if its far enough from water lol

[tiny compass]

Semi aquatic doesn’t mean it hunts on land it means it can hunt on land but with a lower rate of success due to its morphology and with a higher degree of being exposed to quick attacks and unable to retreat to safety as quick as it should if near water or in the water

[barren zephyr]

but the convo is about bleed. someone healing bleed will be backed against the water or hidden somewhere, meaning that if a carno wants to attack it its gonna have to run right into its mouth

[worn pumice]

Deino while its water locked doesnt make it useless on land

it actually turns impressivly fast

[barren zephyr]

i didnt say hunt, i said defend, you arent hearing what im saying here. understand that i dont think it should be able to hunt on land, i think it should DEFEND itself just fine

[hybrid matrix]

u guys r all making sense but theres a simple solution

wut was the original debate about?

[worn pumice]

bleed for deino how it should work

[barren zephyr]

whether deino bleed should be treated differently or not

[hybrid matrix]

ah

ok

[tiny compass]

I’d say the devs have more than enough inspiration...

[hybrid matrix]

my suggestion

Alright, this has probably been said a ton of times, but just give deino good bleed resistance! No need for a whole new mechanic when you can just tweak the bleed resistance
If it's too strong with good bleed resistance then lower the resistance, if its too weak lowered bleed resistance then raise it a little until u find the perfect value for its resistance

[worn pumice]

i think the devs know what their gonna do

who knows which suggestion they chose tho

[urban flax]

Yeah they probably got way enough feedback already

[fallen narwhal]

Does anyone else have the sound volume bug when you start The Isle?

[silent current]

I still believe that giving deino a blood resist just means the devs will have to ask again later when future semi aquatics are added in

So its better to bring in something that all semi aquatics can rely on while also making them not just different shaped fish that occasionally come out of the water

[urban flax]

Logic would be that all semiaquatics get bleed resistance

[hoary tulip]

hey yo can pne of yall help me with sum?

i just joined this server... so uhhh and my pc is not even letting me download the game so thats why i joined

think anyone could help with that?

[urban flax]

Check pinned troubleshooting

But maybe the problem is on your pc's end, you might not have the required hardware

[hoary tulip]

yea

my pc do suck tho much games i cant download

is this game on any other platform?

[worn pumice]

check steams qualifications minimum for what ur pc needs

[worn pumice]

on mac i believe

thats it for now tho

[hoary tulip]

dam aight

thanks

[worn pumice]

it may or may not come to console

i doubt it will but who knows

[hoary tulip]

good i have a consle

[worn pumice]

its gonna be a good like 4-5 years if it does tho lol

[hoary tulip]

YUJGF, JFCFCYL

oh aight

[worn pumice]

[hoary tulip]

[worn pumice]

i would try n get a better pc or a mac thats all u can rly do atm

[hoary tulip]

ok

[worn pumice]

even if u have minimum settings it would look rly bad honestly

i dont wanna be mean and say get a new pc but thats literally all u can do lol

[hoary tulip]

yea

[barren zephyr]

@valid elk ya properly expressed what was wrong with the newer designs

[valid elk]

I felt like I needed to properly voice my opinion. I love the game, I really do, but as a long time fan, it feels super out of place

[silent current]

I disagree bubulblu I mean there needs to be something to force deino outside its comfort zone like how all land creatures will have to go outside their comfort zone to wallow or drink in other words deino has guaranteed food and water. it has fish ai the equivalent to a herbivore grazing and it lives most its life in the water so it'll be a long time before there is any risk what so ever, because we don't know when future semi aquatics will come in. So in the mean time something that puts deino in the situation of it was stupid and got bleed from another dino just means you've been punished but no actually you can just heal your bleed in the water is absolutely stupid. It makes more sense to throw out the realism because its sad I have to keep saying "this game isn't supposed to be the most realistic thing in the world." and yet people continue to try and make it more "realistic" when theres a reason games don't go on every realistic aspect. It'd get predictable, boring, and can become unbalanced for a game. If a shooter game puts every bit of logic into its weapons wouldn't it get repetitive because of the places other players would shoot you? Which would mostly likely be the areas they can just one shot you. Now think long and hard about the realistic implications of deino being compared to every day crocodiles. Even when you say it should be able to have bleed resist that is just stronger. Think about the fact that it is still a semi aquatic and it'd almost be pointless for the devs to give it a walk cycle if players are just gonna spend their whole life in a lake, swamp, or pond. Now since you want to put real crocodiles into the logic of deino for the isle let me do the same. Players will not just GO out the water to bask like everyday crocodiles do. Theres no temperature system in the game. So what would be the next big logical thing to do? If you want players to have time outside of water it has to be something important enough to get them to do so.

[worn pumice]

damn

[hoary tulip]

hi

[worn pumice]

idk if i wanna read that 👀

[hoary tulip]

wassup

[worn pumice]

hello

[hoary tulip]

im bored

[worn pumice]

the isle

Imo just have deino stop bleed on land and when bleeding is done its allowed to go back to recover hp and the bleed hp meter

[urban flax]

I've read that
And my answer is : Devs already have planned a lot of things to force deino out of water. The problem with bleed and wallowing is that, as they said, mud is going to wash off as soon as deino goes back into water, so it needs something so it can heal.

[silent current]

So why not in this case make it the bleed heal. It makes the most sense from a game play standpoint instead of a realism standpoint as not everything is meant to focus on pure realism alone. Animals and people playing said animal act differently. If you want an ambush predator you can't just have a lion stalking through tall grass to kill a zebra if their both players the zebra will clearly be able to see the lion and the zebra won't be able to confuse the lion as much as a herd. So you've got to put your players in perspective more than the sake of realism. Yes deino will have predators but so does everything else in the game and deino could move to a different water source if its current one has been fully infiltrated by another larger predator. Its not exactly a push over outside the water. If crocs were instantly useless outside the water that'd make it 0 point of being a semi aquatic and rather just a large fish. Now take in what I mentioned about deino players if they can just heal bleed in water, eat fish like a herbivore grazing, and they don't need to worry about thirst. They'll just stay completely in water. Which is just way too safe. So by making it the deinos bleed you see it out the water a bit more and its kind of your fault if you get bleed from something else in the first place.

Yes and if you wallow and clot your bleed their are portions of water sources where you can hide on land

[worn pumice]

honestly to fix this just made small mud flats around the swamp for deinos

[valid elk]

What ya'll think

[silent current]

I mean its not the end of the world to wait another 5 minutes to clot your bleed as deino on the land

Every land creature in the game already does it

[worn pumice]

about ur suggestion or deino bleed?

[valid elk]

My feedback.

Deino bleed, Emily suggested something really good for that

[silent current]

Only makes sense from a game-play stand point other wise the game can also get overly complicated and new players will get confused

[worn pumice]

i put a check mark and also a sad face

[urban flax]

That's why I didn't suggest for deino to be able to heal faster in the water. But gameplay-wise, contrary to terrestrial dinos, it canno't just go around and do its thing while being covered in mud. It needs to be in the water to travel or to hunt. That's why it should be forced to wallow less often than terrestrial dinos, hence the bleed resistance.

[worn pumice]

its so strange that u look at pachy and magy and kentro but then u have concepts like alberto and austro

its like what happened

[valid elk]

It is odd.

[worn pumice]

like we've all seen fred's and taps works

we know how good they are

and these concepts are clearly not their highest quality someone else is telling them to do it

[silent current]

Well I think the issue is and someone pointed this out is Fred goes off of accuracy more than tap so its harder for him to make the creatures more unique and give them small twists or make them more monstrous

[worn pumice]

but these concepts are so much different then say kentro or magy

its very odd

[silent current]

He's done anky, alberto, acro, and austro so far

[worn pumice]

something is weird here

[silent current]

I don't think he did magy, or magy

The ones that have multiple drawings of said creature are taps

[worn pumice]

whether or not he did anything we've all seen both their works and know how talented they are so theres no way they did those concepts w/o someone else saying something

[silent current]

I know he also did the megalania

[worn pumice]

like look at this honestly

and then u compare it to say allo

its just very odd

[silent current]

but allo is very much just a generic carnivore that's why it was easily for him probs

[worn pumice]

the inconsisteny is there tho

and idk why

actually i think we do know why but

who knows

hopefully stuff gets better

[silent current]

that just happenes sometimes with artist

[barren zephyr]

austro looks like a stork lol

[worn pumice]

inconsisteny is still there

this is good feedback

#general-feedback message

[silent current]

the bottom drawing is taps and the top is fred's

And its kinda been informed that theres a couple concepts being remade

I know they said acro and alberto are

possibly austro

[worn pumice]

austro better change

it might be the worst one honestly

[valid elk]

I actually tried to sound like a dick or anything

Did it come across as a sort of dick attitude?

Should I change it up?

[vast wolf]

austro was confirmed to be getting tweaked by jake

[valid elk]

No, no, I mean

The new designs in general, Alberto, Acro, etc etc

[vast wolf]

those are freds designs

[valid elk]

I only used Austro as an example

[vast wolf]

every one of those is freds

[valid elk]

No, every one of those is Freds wirh parts put in by the team...also, Austroraptor was confirmed to be Tapwings

[vast wolf]

austro was a mistake

[valid elk]

Point being, it doesn't fit in our game

Especially when you compare it to Minmi, Pachy, etc

[vast wolf]

the one in the foreground is basically a tisso but even uglier somehow the ones on the back are fine.

[valid elk]

@dapper terrace Mind telling me why you X'd my opinion and didn't tag me with your thoughts?

[dapper terrace]

No :)

[valid elk]

Then why X in the first place?

[dapper terrace]

@valid elk

[sonic cloud]

she’s so smarmy

[valid elk]

Wanna point out that Kissen can say that, bit it is still inconsistent...hence the main point

They should have one design. Their Pachycephalosaurus even has a Dracorex growth stage, and that's accurate m, or at least semi-accurate. Austroraptors head is longer than its torso, its torso is too short, its skull is super thin, almost beak like.

That's the problem

There is no one design choice, and that bashes against the other designs

[paper geyser]

"hey i think the game is a little all over the place"
"no, we can do whatever we want"
kinda uncool

[valid elk]

Indeed.

Kato gets it

[dapper terrace]

It's completely valid. It is their game.

[valid elk]

Also, the devs asked us for our feedback when they post those designs

[paper geyser]

yeah it's valid, it just sucks that we essentially got confirmation that the designs will remain inconsistent

[valid elk]

Kissen can say what she wants, but Punch does directly ask us

We give our opinion, and the devs should either take that or just go "Well, we came up with design because of so so and so", instead of "Haha, no."

Which...is sort of what Kissen did.

Look, I've been in the community for years and never gave my opinion about the designs because they were consistent until Dondi took a break, then they become inconsistent and incredibly different.

Like. Ankylosaurus looks nothing like what it should, but we have Minmi, which is basically Ankylosaurus with no club tail. Why did they change Anky so much if Minmi looks like it does? What's the purpose?

[dapper terrace]

Your opinion is attached to a call for change. You're not just saying, "I think this." You're saying, "I think this. Therefore you need to change your process/product."

The Devs are allowed to deny your call from change, without it dismissing your ability to share you opinion.

[valid elk]

That's just the thing though, they asked us for our opinions about the new designs, and I gave my opinion, I want a consistent design choice.

[dapper terrace]

Yes. You gave your opinion. It was read and processed. And then denied. That's not a sign of failure of the process, it's confirmation your opinion doesn't match with the views and direction of the game

[valid elk]

I am not saying "devs, look at me and listen because I am clearly right and you are wrong", I am going "Hey, this is my piece. If you don't agree, mind giving me a reason why?" We aren't given a reason though, just a basic "Everyone does their part"

[broken thorn]

Hope the Troodon will not be able to poison too large animals cuz i can already see people running around spamming bite juz becouse it is poisonous.

[dapper terrace]

You are not entitled to any interactions from the Devs.

[valid elk]

That's true, however, her response wasn't a response.

[dapper terrace]

Can you imagine how much time would be wasted explaining to every person here why their opinions don't match the direction of the game?

[paper geyser]

but that wasn't the case. Kissen responded to soup and chose to give him a big fuck you

[valid elk]

It was a "Hey, everyone put their input into the design." Instead of a "Hey, we have a design choice for these dinosaurs...here's why we changed it so suddenly."

It was a non-answer

[paper geyser]

it's not like she was overwhelmed and trying to answer everyone. She singled out soup and decided to give him that

[valid elk]

And that's also the thing, our opinions do follow the game! That's why we were so vocal about the new changes, the designs aren't The Isles designs!

[dapper terrace]

Again: you aren't entitled to any interactions from the Devs. They don't need you to understand their decisions.

[valid elk]

They ask us though.

That's the problem.

"Hey, what's your opinion?" Means put your opinion, not "Hey, we do what we want"

That's sort of disconnects us from the devs, where Punch asks and listens, Kissen gives us that

[paper geyser]

D: Give us your opinions
P: Here is my opinion
D: Fuck you

a little strange i'd say

[valid elk]

Very strange

[mental sleet]

Feedback is given, then it is up to the devs to take it or leave it.

[dapper terrace]

Again: it wasn't just an opinion. It was a call for change. She denied a call for change. There's nothing unusual about that

[valid elk]

But there is a change...confirmed by Punch

Austroraptor is being changed up, as we speak

That's why we are confused

Kissen gave us a sort of a "Well, it is what it is", which is not what Punch or Dondi does

[barren zephyr]

Magy moment

[dapper terrace]

Kissen's job isn't to explain her process to you. You aren't entitled to any form of interaction from the devs

[mental sleet]

"We bend and sway to public opinion only as we see fit." They saw fit to sway, it's that simple.

People might collectively agree on something but at the end of the day it's up to the devs whether or not they wish to change.

[valid elk]

You're right, we're not entitled to it. But Punch asks us our opinion, and when we gave our opinion, it gets more and more confusing when the artstyle and designs change up even more than what we are used to

Okay, here, example

[dapper terrace]

And again: they don't have to justify any of their creative decisions.

[mental sleet]

Actually, I disagree on that.

If they do big enough changes to the game's structure, those should be justified, because they could be changing the essence of the game.

Imagine if they threw evrima at us without any information on why.

[dark osprey]

Seems they took it a bit personal, when it wasn't intended to be taken as such, but much rather a fact that even with taking peoples concerns, ideas etc into consideration it comes down to one thing, they will and can do what they feel is best for the direction of the game they want to create.

[valid elk]

Pachycephalosaurus concept art, it has a dracorex growth stage and resembles a Pachycephalosaurus. Some design choices were made, it looks different, but it's still Pachycephalosaurus. Then, we get to Austroraptor, whivh they are changing now, but it looks superficially like an raptor. It was already unique, it looks nothing like the other raptors already. Why did you change it when Pachy proves that you can take liberties but still keep it in line woth what the animal looks like

It feels like a design inconsistency, and that never helps any game

[dapper terrace]

You're talking as if it needs to be all or nothing. There's no reason some of the Dinos can't be realistic, and the others interpretive

[valid elk]

Example, DayZ. They had a clear design, and people built upon it, but it was still the same game.

It was still zombie survival.

It has clear designs and clear choices

Then, you get to something like the Culling, which changed drastically. It doesn't matter if the designs were better, which they were, but it wasn't what the Culling was, and that made people dislike it

[dapper terrace]

To me it looks like this "inconsistency" you're describing is a part of the Isle's style.

[barren zephyr]

"Only when a mosquito lands lands on your testicles will you realize violence isn't always the answer"

[valid elk]

But it isn't! Look at these two animals and tell me they are from the same game!

They aren't consistent, especially since we have an Austroraptor already that they can build upon

We also have the whole Minmi and Ankylosaurus debate!