#general-feedback-discussion

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cedar pulsar
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ye that was just WIP so im near certain they've changed it

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great

worn pumice
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what i was thinking as well

silent current
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ambush would be good for certain creatures

barren zephyr
worn pumice
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no pls no

silent current
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yes, really

worn pumice
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no

cedar pulsar
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like with wolfquest there can be certain points you can grab that can do more damage
IE if you grabbed a stego's front leg it would take a lot of effort to pull in, while grabbing the head at full force would probably kill the stego outright

worn pumice
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ambush is not needed

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maybe a different mechanic like ambush

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but not that mechanic from legacy

silent current
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5 seconds speed boost bad!! 😭

left nacelle
cedar pulsar
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ambush was added long ago back when nobody really understood the game lol

barren zephyr
worn pumice
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5 second speed boost bad low key tho

barren zephyr
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If feel like locational grab damage would be too hard to implement and might push the update back too much

left nacelle
worn pumice
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i mean the main thing with the grab is drowning ur prey and /or killing it in the water

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so hopefully it doesnt focus too much on dmg

cedar pulsar
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ye thats what i moreso ment, points on the body to grab that can help with proper dragging prey in

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limbs, head, tail, etc

worn pumice
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kinda like utah pounce right

barren zephyr
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Getting grabbed by a giant crocdile would hurt like hell though

worn pumice
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where it fixes on a certain spot

midnight verge
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@barren zephyr i like the parkour raptor idea and remember when jbird talked about the same thing
but how do you think a charged up dash would work really?
do you just hold RMB and release to jump a distance, then hold it again to grab
or do you have to hold space and jump for then to grab with RMB?

left nacelle
cedar pulsar
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irl crocodiles that grab the back legs or just the tail or something dont often win the struggle
though this is a multi-ton titan croc, so maybe that's not as applicable

barren zephyr
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IMO, we should save huge jumps for when herra gets added

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since it is going to be a arboreal utah

barren zephyr
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if you charge your dash against a vertical body like a tree, you would climb it and pin to it wihtout the need to hold RMB anymore

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You would just be pinned to that surface

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after that you can either dash away from that surface or just unpin and fall down

midnight verge
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what about the damage to bigger animal, when you take the meat chunk

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it should be pretty minor, but enough to make a pack of velos scary imo

urban flax
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And about the velo suggestion, I like everything in it except for the tearing a meat chunk part. I don't feel like velo would be strong enough to outright rip a chunk of flesh from a bigger animal. Even those big claws are made for wounding, not tearing apart.

azure wadi
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Doesn’t troodon already have a bright blue mouth

loud vine
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Idk, I didn't pay attention to that

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if it does then just give dilo a bright mouth of sorts

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cause why not

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itll ne fun

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have a few dinos that can flash others

zenith onyx
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@arctic nimbus, could be something new.

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somehting unique to troodon

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speaking in game, not in the real world lol

hybrid matrix
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rq i thought diplo was (at fully grown) like 100 meters long

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maybe im wrong and walking with dinosaurs just made it super big like they did with liopleurodon

barren zephyr
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100 meters??.

quasi cloak
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ye I thought diplo was way bigger especially compared to a camara, in the length size not height.

hybrid matrix
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but its probably just walking with dinosaurs supersizing their dinos like they did with liopleurodon

elder rivet
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Diplo being at 100 meters sounds very stupid and nonsense to me, The largest subspecies of diplo at full adult is about 32 meters long

quasi cloak
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ye but I dont think it was that small, I believe it was longer than a cmara at least.

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in that scale u shown the camara is as lg as the diplo

elder rivet
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The smallest subspecies of diplo was still longer than supremus

quasi cloak
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looks to be around the same in that scale chart

hybrid matrix
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look i got the 100 meter thing from wwd but i mean they also made their liopleurodon huge sooo

urban flax
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In walking with dinosaurs they said that diplodocus could live 100 years, not that it was 100 meters long ^^

hybrid matrix
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OHHHH

quasi cloak
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look all I want is that isle diplo looks sum wat like walking wit dino diplo

hybrid matrix
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YOUR'E RIGHT

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OMG IM SO DUMB

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XD

urban flax
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And yeah, they made their liopleurodon over 20 meter-long

elder rivet
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Look at the supremus in here, it's head starts in the same place as diplo's and it's tail ends at lentus' butt

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hybrid matrix
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wait

quasi cloak
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wait that diplo is smaller only 27 m

hybrid matrix
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either that giga is smaller than the one in legacy or our cama is even smaller than lentus

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oh wait

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i think the giga is smaller than the legacy one

elder rivet
hybrid matrix
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and so was shant

quasi cloak
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eaither that or the cama is rlly small in legacy

hybrid matrix
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shant was huge

zinc anvil
hybrid matrix
elder rivet
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And the giga specimen i chose for scale was the largest one

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largest one i could find*

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Not only that but shant and spino were about the same size as legacy cama, imo there's no way all 4 of them would be oversized

elder rivet
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@golden iron that's confirmed for herrera, don't see why it wouldn't be for hypsi

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the reason hypsis have a jump large enough to get to trees was because of the tree's hitbox and shape

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The smaller one is the current cama, the size difference there is larger than the one in my size chart

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quasi cloak
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@leaden cargo I would like this too, but I think the devs are making it that each island has a different biome. I think that's what they want to do for more realisim.

leaden cargo
quasi cloak
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Ye I hope so too. Rlly want desert biomes.

finite iron
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^
What I’m hoping occurs some where down the line

hexed badger
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Ah yes, I like That Suggestion

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I feel like that should be a major thing to add

elder rivet
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That's such a genius idea, it's such a small detail but i'm sure it will make the game feel 100x better

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i think it's been right under our nose and we've never seen it which is why no one spoke about that before

hexed badger
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Yeah definitely, also, the suggestion is so original and detailed, they can‘t make it wrong with that kind of detailed feedback

barren zephyr
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Mods would make the game so cool

elder rivet
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Region 2 coming back, update 3 near, this might be the best month

hexed badger
hexed badger
barren zephyr
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O?

hexed badger
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Yes

barren zephyr
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Whats O

hexed badger
barren zephyr
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Oh xd

paper oriole
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I couldn't have said it better myself, you have such a way with words. You described the issue perfectly, I hope the devs take your feedback to heart, it will greatly improve the state of the game.

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dapper pulsar
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If we want Proto to have a bite because of that fossil, then I feel Allo needs crotch locational damage.

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Most effective attack area

paper oriole
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Allosaurus getting hit in the crotch by stegos or being flipped over and having it bitten off like that brokenjaw doc lol

worn pumice
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have u guys seen the fossil of the allosaurus who was punctured in the crotch by a stego spike

paper oriole
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Yea the dude survived it too lol

worn pumice
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lol

dapper pulsar
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crotch locational damage

worn pumice
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why not

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lets add it

dapper pulsar
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Make it universal

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have Utahs run between the legs of apexs

paper oriole
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Even if its just specially for allosaurus

dapper pulsar
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nip at their dips

paper oriole
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Claw the cloaca

worn pumice
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lol

dapper pulsar
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Since Stego ain't doing too hot do you think Magy has a chance at being good when it's initially added?

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Is this a long con where they make Magy the only viable herbi out of spite?

worn pumice
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watch them dull down stego

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and make magy stronger then it

paper oriole
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Magy's gonna be super good and effective at its defensive fighting style

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His fighting style will be dying so he can't suffer any more

dapper pulsar
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I'm very nervous for Pachy

worn pumice
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cera to

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honestly im nervous for all dinos added at this point

dapper pulsar
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If Cerato isn't viable I'm going to start calling carno players bad words

paper oriole
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Im nervous for any defensive herbi

worn pumice
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im nervous for big animals in general

dapper pulsar
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Anky

worn pumice
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its even worse that idek if their listening or not

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ik punch will come in every so often or another QA member to say oh were doing this

paper oriole
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They seem not to be, as far as dino specific feedback goes

dapper pulsar
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is Stego small game

worn pumice
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If they want the game to succeed then i hope they actually listen to us at some point

paper oriole
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The anky situation makes that … not very promising

worn pumice
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exactly

paper geyser
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they seem to listen sometimes, but there isn't much indication that they listen most of the time

paper oriole
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And it was funny when they said they consider what the community might like when adding new dinos, but then they add magy

worn pumice
paper geyser
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or a better way to put it: they don't care

dapper pulsar
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Did they make Stego small game so the largest predator currently available can hunt it

worn pumice
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the less they care the less ppl will care and the less ppl will actually play the game

paper oriole
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I hope so, stego definitely needs a major improvement when the actual threats come out

worn pumice
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^^^

zinc anvil
paper oriole
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Because right now it would be a faceroll for allo and alberto

zinc anvil
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does it look small

paper geyser
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those are some big rocks

paper oriole
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Isnt steg a bit underweight for its irl max estimate

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Like a ton or two

worn pumice
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yeh i think its supposed to be like 5 tons? maybe 4.5

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but stego when compared to deino

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yes its small

paper oriole
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It should be like 5.3-5.5 tons i think

dapper pulsar
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It ain't small but it's hunted by the community appointed "small game hunter"

zinc anvil
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deino is big just like its meant to be

worn pumice
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forget the size stego has many issues

paper oriole
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Wiki says it is estimated up to 7 tons but idk id stop at 6 maybe not sure about how accurate that is

icy lion
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like what? i havent heard much stego talk other than the recent tailriding

paper oriole
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Stego needs collision damage with its thags

worn pumice
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ive been hearing a lot of stego stuff

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hold on someone made a good post ill post it here

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here

icy lion
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ty

worn pumice
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np

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i think this document is a good insight on the issues

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ive never had an issue with stegos size too much tho cuz i knew that carno and teno were oversized but thats being changed so yeh

paper oriole
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Trilobites would be cool but idk if theyd fit into the lore

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Unless AE is reviving prehistoric sea bugs for fun I think horseshoe crabs would suffice

cedar pulsar
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just giving stego recoil/thorns damage if it's tail is bitten would solve the issue

paper oriole
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Ya reflective collision damage is a must especially before kentro is added

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Kentro even looks like he'd be based around collision damage

dapper pulsar
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Trilobites seem like they'd be an easy "Hey look we can clone shit" animal

dense wagon
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horseshoe crabs are modern, but would still fit into the prehistoric environment since they are living fossils

dapper pulsar
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You just bring 'em in a glass box to show investors to get your money, then you can do the big things like making semi-aquatic animals more land based.

dense wagon
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same thing with coelacanth

paper oriole
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We could also have nautilus squids for more prehistoric feel tho idk if they live in what ever climate we're getting

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These guys

dense wagon
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yeah but don't they live in pretty deep open oceans?

paper oriole
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I think they can live in coastal aread idk i'll have to google it

dapper pulsar
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If an animal doesn't fit the environment you can just say it was engineered for the test ecosystem

paper oriole
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Coastal areas of the indian ocean and in the weatern pacific apparently

dense wagon
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i googled
they typically live in 'dimly lit open waters'

golden iron
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"taking heed of both QA & community feedback" ??? am i missing something. I havent seen anybody complaining about the ptera run, but a hell of a lot of people complaining about anky

dense wagon
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i guess they could be coastal bottom dwellers

paper oriole
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So they could probably throw some nautilus squids and horseshoe crabs in for a modern prehistoric aesthetic

dense wagon
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the thing about horseshoe crabs is that they can be on land too though

paper oriole
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More beach life never hurts

elder rivet
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Why are people X'ing me everybody said to give apexes soft thuds instead of stomps but when i do it i get X'ed to hell

cedar pulsar
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if they are listening to us then please change up those mid tier theropod runs

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light as a feather

paper oriole
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Mollusks, horseshoe crabs, maybe even some sea life stuck in tide pools sometimes TI_Perfect

noble pine
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For balance sake, you wouldn’t want apexes to be quiet when they walked.

dense wagon
dapper pulsar
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beached mosas that explode randomly

noble pine
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That’s how you get boofed

dense wagon
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plus loud ominous footsteps compliment the horror factor

paper oriole
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Galapagos giant tortoise? More like rex burger lol

dapper pulsar
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That name applies to a lot of animals

dense wagon
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fair
slow and their shell could be crunched very easily

elder rivet
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So when I say it it's considered a bad design choice. Got it.

paper oriole
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Maybe large footateps could have a more bass effect just loud stamping, more of a thump ya kno, rather than flat out noise

dense wagon
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they can't escape anything
these guys have no natural predators let alone dinosaurs

paper oriole
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Still quite noticable but not crazy

noble pine
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You can hear spinos footsteps in the hope video, they sound really good

dense wagon
paper oriole
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Pretty much lol they already take a lot from jp so why not

noble pine
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Idc where they’re from as long as they sound good

dense wagon
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that's one thing that JP/JW did right
they knew how to make things ominous

noble pine
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I hate hate hate hate arks large Dino footsteps

dapper pulsar
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puddle hsake

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hsake

dense wagon
dapper pulsar
dense wagon
elder rivet
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what is it supposed to be

dense wagon
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the red is the visible area of NV

dapper pulsar
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Like camera or where you get fucked up?

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oh

paper oriole
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Looks pretty good for nv

dapper pulsar
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It's good

dense wagon
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alr

brave rampart
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Tbh

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I like the idea of binocular nv

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Or cone vision

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For some carnivores

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I'd also like to be able to zoom as a carnivore that's adapted to binocular vision

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It would be cool

proud coral
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I agree some vision based abilities would be really cool. I know they have some ideas for it already

brave rampart
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As an extra detail

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I want the carnivores eyes to squint whenever you zoom

dense wagon
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tbf the NV thing is not really an ability
it's just variation
in fact it would probably be harder to play with cone based vision because it's harder to spot things unless you're looking right in their direction

proud coral
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I had the idea of having NV make it so you can at least see the outline of nearby terrain to not run into stuff and that real NV would be like a cone or whatever shape

lethal quartz
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so seeing that general feedback has merge with suggestions - I have one small combat suggestion for stego that would differentiate it from anky's tail-slapping combat mechanics. Though... it would probably be hell to program, but -

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give stego the ability to YEET the bodies impaled on its tail as an offensive/defensive projectile.

icy lion
lethal quartz
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I see, well damn.

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thanks again.

icy lion
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absolutely

paper oriole
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I've wanted stego and anky to yeet dinos with their tails as ranged warfare for a while lol that would be good shit

kindred flare
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Can we just scrap the binocular vision idea, yeah it happened irl but from a gameplay standpoint its just frustration to be constantly zoomed it or ony be able to see clearly ehat infront of you meaning you cant check your surround for potential predators or prey

brave rampart
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Also you wont be constantly zoomed in

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Its an option

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To zoom in or not

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So y'all click a button to zoom in like you're holding a gun

kindred flare
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Thats an unfair advantage then, and looking sround sure but then other spits become blurred

brave rampart
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You do realize this is nightvision right

paper oriole
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Imo binocular and 360 vision can be implemented without being annoying by

  1. Nightvision uses the cone vs circle vision posted earlier
  2. Herbivores can look around while drinking while carnivores are locked
  3. Certain carnivores can focus their forward vision.
brave rampart
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Its not going to be "oh I can see everything at night!"

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Its binocular cone vision meaning you can only see in front of you. You can look around yourself to see what's up and you can zoom in to focus on something

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It's like flashlight vision

kindred flare
brave rampart
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I mean

kindred flare
paper oriole
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Focusing your forward vision at the cost of your peripheral can be balanced on some predators. And carnis can sniff while walking and herbis can't, so the drinking thing seems fair

brave rampart
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Why make a carnivore that's not adapted to nightvision have complete control of how it can see at night

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When we have

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Idk

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TROODON

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DILO

kindred flare
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If your drinking why would you need to sniff

brave rampart
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They should have the good ass nightvision

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Also it's for the spooky vibes

paper oriole
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Who mentioned drinking while sniffing

brave rampart
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And personally its not really an unfair advantage

kindred flare
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Spooky vibes means dark, not blindness

brave rampart
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Because if someone bites you and runs off you can listen and look in that general direction

kindred flare
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It is if something can see you out of the render distance

brave rampart
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OR EVEN RENDER DISTANCE

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Lmao

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Its not even render distance

You can only see so far with the binocular vision

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Its not going to be everlasting

paper oriole
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Dinos should all have the same render distance in their vision i dont think anyone here has suggested otherwise

brave rampart
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^

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Certain carnivores will have certain visions

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Some can see farther while others cant

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But this is evrima

paper oriole
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Binocular vision is just focusing in on what you can already see rendered

brave rampart
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You can run you can hide

paper oriole
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Like to pick out a target in a herd or whatever

brave rampart
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If something runs at you while you cant see it

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RUN THE FUCK AWAY

brave rampart
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And having markers

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Or smth

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You can focus on a target for some time and mark then

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Them

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Whenever they arent hiding

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You can see their mark

paper oriole
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Like anyone in that distance can see the herd, but a dino with binocular vision can focus on it to determine the easiest target from a distance better. That dino would also be in render distance to the herd

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So its not that unbalanced

brave rampart
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Yeah

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I would also like the option to mark people

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Like let's say

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You binocular vision someone and

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Smell

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You can mark them by remembering their smell

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But you can only mark 1 person

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Or maybe more?

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Idk

paper oriole
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That could work, maybe a pred specific to that like… mono!

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Since people were talkin bout him having the best sense of smell as his special, even if it isnt confirmed

brave rampart
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Mono with camo ability and marker ability with binocular vision

paper oriole
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Remembering the smells of individuals would be something that makes him unique

dapper pulsar
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Mono holds grudges.

paper oriole
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(!) Mono will remember this

dapper pulsar
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Where would a tribal get a sledgehammer. I'd imagine they'd have something like a club that could do light and heavy attacks, which I would be fine with. However, there's nothing quite like the thought of bonking a young Carno with a sledgehammer.

paper oriole
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Tie rock to stick. Ooga booga

dapper pulsar
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  • Primitive Hammer
    -2 sticks
    -large stone
paper oriole
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Or to a bone lol

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Tribals Just clubbing troodons with a carno shin bone

dapper pulsar
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I just want to flatten or club in an animals head

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anything works

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maybe even just rock

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big rock

paper oriole
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Tribals just start out with a rock to bash things with yes

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Choose between rock or stick

dapper pulsar
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The rock perk tree

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Able to carry bigger rock

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Able to throw rock

paper oriole
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Able to sharpen rock with rock

dapper pulsar
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Tribal toddler hunting AI dryos with a large rock

paper oriole
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Oog kill first dino with rock today, Bunga proud

dapper pulsar
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Bunga have biggest rock in whole jungle

vale pawn
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TI_oro? godtacoV2?

paper oriole
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teno- would prefer it be a kangaroo niche, as its preferred food is in the swamp it can enter water and drown its pursuers, plus kangas have the good claws and kick as well.
dryo- keep him as a juke master instead of a tunneler, we are already getting more burrowers, ddryo's dodge just needs improvement and expanding, he could still enter burrows made by others, good nightvision.
hypsi- make him a squirrel instead of a rat. better tree climbing and agility all around, eats treefruit and can smell ripe fruit separate from unripe which makes him an ideal companion for symbiotic relationships with other herbis.
pachy- mountain goat/ram.
magy- turn him into a skunk with low quality meat that is too inconvenient for many predators to bother with, can coat attackers with a spray that makes them show up as a cloud in scent while also handicapping their sense of smell, making them think twice about attacking magy.
alberto- speedy glass cannon crusher
para- CC master with good speed and great stamina. disorienting calls, heavy body checks and traveling voice that makes it hard to locate from a distance for other species.

worn pumice
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I mean it’s less of an idea

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And more of like an info post of what we know

silver zephyr
paper oriole
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oh yeeaah, i hope taco and dryo get good nv

worn pumice
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Yes but the wording sounds off and more like ok here’s what we know

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It’s less bad and more confusing

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Ppl prolly got confused at what ur tryna suggest

paper oriole
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also invisibility is just a nope for any animal

worn pumice
silver zephyr
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invis for what?

paper oriole
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dont think mono needs invis and mimicry lol

silver zephyr
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oh

worn pumice
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Invis doesn’t exactly belong in the isle

paper oriole
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being an amazing tracker who can target an individual for tracking is good enough

worn pumice
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I can only see invis working on a certain strain dino

silver zephyr
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imo id also like mono to dig up burrows and make its own, so it could set up like bait burrows and dig out whatever goes in. the amazing tracker part is good tho

paper oriole
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megalania (and presto) works much better for digging up burrows

turbid stratus
silver zephyr
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ye

turbid stratus
willow zealot
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Look closely

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Especially at the head

paper oriole
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my colourblind ass cant see the difference, is the top one darker?

turbid stratus
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^

willow zealot
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Yes

paper oriole
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oh, my colourblind ass can see the difference

willow zealot
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Does this help?

paper oriole
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ahh

vale pawn
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yea it does by alot

turbid stratus
violet sparrow
paper oriole
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imo humans should only really be able to 'tame' juveniles and some small tiers. tribals are doing the crazy enslaving shit but there's no way a human is gonna walk up to a ceratosaurus and be like "yo wanna be my pet?"

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unless you want humans to beat the animals into submission with tranqs and cattle prods as well

violet sparrow
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I laughed way too much at the "yo wanna be my pet" part deeplaugh

paper oriole
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"wanna be my pet?" "wanna be my lunch instead?"

violet sparrow
worn pumice
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The only way a human could saddle like a big dino would be through steam and steam friends cuz it’s highly recommended that u don’t do that to random ppl

violet sparrow
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Yup.

paper oriole
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pretends to be tamed just to eat the merc and all his friends when they arent paying attention

worn pumice
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Lol

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And don’t think herbis r safe

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They’ll probably kill u just for fun too

paper oriole
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deer eat baby birds so dont think for a second that camara won't eat you

violet sparrow
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I think extreme realism as you suggested is not suitable for multiplayer when dinos are players too. They will want to team up, and they will find a way to do it anyway

worn pumice
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I hate it when my trike starts eating gigas

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Bro imagine doing a drive by on a Dino lol

paper oriole
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pachy doesn't like the way you looked at it so it smashes you against a tree

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herbis in nature can honestly be the most violent douchebags

violet sparrow
paper oriole
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and unlike carnis it is out of pure spite or anger so it's harder to deter their rampage

violet sparrow
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Relatable

worn pumice
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I can literally send a video of an elephant killing a resting Buffalo for no reason

barren zephyr
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Predators kill for food mostly

paper oriole
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hippo sees impala run into river to escape lions "so you have chosen death"

worn pumice
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Hippos kill everything lol

paper oriole
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there are SO MANY videos of hippos killing other herbivores and some carnivores for fun

violet sparrow
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Hippos are nature's all evil in one living being.

paper oriole
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literally swim up to an impala and break its neck for no reason

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and deer randomly attack peoples' pets too

barren zephyr
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I mean some predators do have rivalry (such as Hyenas and Lions), but yet again it's rivalry and not being an asshole for fun

worn pumice
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There’s also a video of an elephant bullying a rhino and her child

paper oriole
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yeah killing to remove competition is one thing, seeing an impala swimming away from some wild dogs and going out of your way to break its neck is another

worn pumice
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And what’s even stranger is that

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The hippo will allow crocs to chill with them in the water hut they dswe yand it’s die time

paper oriole
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lol hippos bully crocs, even their babies bully crocs because the crocs can't do shit or they get turned into a chew toy

worn pumice
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Why can’t I speak the English language

paper oriole
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hippos and elephants are also toxic corpse guarders TI_Troll

worn pumice
worn pumice
dapper pulsar
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If Mono was like that I'd play 2 CARNIVORES

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Well maybe 3

paper oriole
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I'd only fear it might invalidate some small herbivores, like if mono detects you once it is pretty much a death sentence then

dapper pulsar
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Austro might be nice.

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I mean it's like

paper oriole
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Small animals like homa where its only defense may be using its tiny size to hide

dapper pulsar
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You might die of old age before it catches up

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Maybe it's scent is a tracking thing that eventually wears off

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Mono has to reestablish it every once in a while.

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Wait my mind's still stuck on the track single target Mono

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I feel like if Mono fucks up it's initial attack you could probably escape it

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maybe using like a river.

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Or potentially using methods of movement that hide from Mono, like arboreal movement

paper oriole
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That's a somewhat possible escape if you are

  1. Fast enough to use river as an escape and lucky enough that a deino doesn't munch you
  2. Are arboreal.
    That's if you even know the mono is tracking you after it magically senses you through foliage
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A homalo, oro, or proto may as well roll over and let itself die if a mono picks up its scent

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Not to mention how busted it would be for mix packers, which would definitely happen

dapper pulsar
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Well, I said if Mono flubs it's initial attack. I'm sure a skilled Mono would leave smaller herbis defenseless.

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We could try and find a solution to mix packing, like a massive intolerance towards other carnis. I don't really see how I can argue about animals that we don't know the gimmicks for. What are you thinking of for those 3 animals?

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Do you believe Oro will be a borrower?

paper oriole
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Tbh i'd prefer taco keep its burrowing and not cram it onto every small tier to force it into viability. Oro doesn't strike me as a burrower personally

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Things like homa are viable enough due to their ability to hide and lose predators in undergrowth, which mono would invalidate

brave rampart
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lemur oro

paper oriole
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Even with burrowing mono could just camp the burrow like preds already do in legacy

dapper pulsar
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What if it's ability counters Mono?

paper oriole
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There are multiple small animals who would be invalidated by mono's busted tracking though, not just the one

dapper pulsar
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Something that throws off regular dinos, but is especially effective against Mono

paper oriole
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What would a proto do? Or many juvies?

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Mono would completely ruin juvies' time

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Especially slow ones

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So a lone juvie is just hopelessly sentenced to death if a mono is in the area

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No way to hide or run

brave rampart
dapper pulsar
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Proto could be incredibly bleed resistant, forcing Mono to go... mono e mono. Juvis would be a case by case basis.

paper oriole
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The suggestion stated wallowing wont stop the mono from tracking you

dapper pulsar
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I couldn't see baby Anky doing... much

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but everytime baby Anky becomes harder adult Anky should get buffed

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in an ideal world

paper oriole
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And running is not an option for a good number of juvies, especially herbivores

brave rampart
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Well dont get seen lol

Do you not realize what time monos would occupy mainly

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Crepuscular

paper oriole
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Dont get seen... by the animal that can sense you through foliage

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Ok

brave rampart
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Okay let me get my balance glasses on

paper oriole
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Dont get seen by the animal that can
See you through foliage
Sniff while sprinting
Sniff animals that wallow

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Sense heat

dapper pulsar
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I can see Juvis using altered versions of adult abilities to fault Mono.

paper oriole
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Not sure how you can logically have many animals counter that busted ability set

brave rampart
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Okay I might need to rebalance the wallowing thing

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When you wallow you technically prevent heat from escaping due to the nud

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Mud

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So Mono should not have the ability to sensw through that

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It can probably barely sense the footprints

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But cant thermal you

dapper pulsar
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We don't need justification beyond "for gameplay reasons".

brave rampart
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When you wallow

paper oriole
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Stop to wallow to hide from the animal that can sprint while sniffing

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So he may likely already be caught up to you if you are most juvies or herbivores, that is if you even know the mono sensed you through foliage you couldnt sense it through while it blends with chameleon skin that the other suggestion wanted but i'll leave that out since it's separate

brave rampart
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And

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On top of that

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You can crouch which negates your footsteps

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So wallow, run as far as you can

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Crouch away

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And boom

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You're sage

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Safe

paper oriole
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You can crouch against the animal that senses body heat hmmm

brave rampart
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If you go far that is

brave rampart
paper oriole
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You can run away as a baby trike hmmmm

brave rampart
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Also theres a cooldown

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For monos ability

dapper pulsar
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I was thinking a Mono would be weak for it's size.

paper oriole
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Oh god 5 slots per server idea

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Revenge killer's dream

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I'm on a roll of negativity tonight

dapper pulsar
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I could see it working. Maybe if there's like a timer on all your creatures after you die, excluding your now empty slot.

paper oriole
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Should also probably not let people have like 5 apexes in one server lol tho i guess it'd take some dedication for them to do that

dapper pulsar
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I mean like

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That's

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A long ass time if you do it without dying

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Although they'd probably

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Yeah no fuck anyone who does that

paper oriole
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People with no life growing 5 apexes lol

dapper pulsar
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I was just thinking some coordinated asian people packing up and growing their dinos to dominate a server

paper oriole
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Yea thats def something that would happen again

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Or depending in the time limit using the slots to feed yourself

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People will go to lengths to avoid dying to other players

dapper pulsar
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I was thinking like 2 hours if you die

paper oriole
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2 hours would ward off the revenge killers in the least

dapper pulsar
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Probably not all of them

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Some people are salty enough and 2 hours isn't enough to make a lot of animals combat ready

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I'm using some very lightly

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I've met a lot of people in The Isle.

paper oriole
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Tho its enough for most to get away unless you got somebody keeping tabs on them

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Which i wouldnt put it past the lowlifes who revenge kill to do, have a friend track the target for 2hr lol

dapper pulsar
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Unless you've got your 3 bot Pteras following the man who killed you

low canopy
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if i had an option to grow multiple apexes for server i would do it, only because servers have downtime with little to none online and nothing to do other than grow "alt" dinos

dapper pulsar
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Every miss step away from Evrima is a step closer to Roblox Dinosaur Simulator with slightly worse graphics.

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That game is just a worse version of Legacy in every god damn way

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Including balance.

drowsy moth
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maybe a better variation would be 1 carni and 1 herby slot (2 save slots) and maybe a "specialised" slot for specialised creatures (semi-aquatics/fliers etc)

dapper pulsar
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Some things in those game spawn in slightly weaker than things that take 8 grueling fucking hours to grow and can repeatedly respawn right next to you because the 11 year old who spent 2 months gathering credits to buy that OP skin got mad you insta killed his Dakota

paper oriole
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Use your herbi alt to find and locate a herd then switfh to your carni for griefing time TI_Troll

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Not many things can't be exploited somehow

low canopy
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if there is something players can exploit you can bet they will exploit the shit out of it

drowsy moth
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I wouldn't mind if we remained 1 slot, but just trying to think of a way it could work

paper oriole
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Toxic exploiters ruin it for the rest lol

drowsy moth
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you can say that again

dapper pulsar
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"skins don't change gameplay" yeah except that skin that turns a top tier Sauropod into an aerial predator with several buffs because fuck everyone else on the server. Anyway, certain exploits could make the game a lot more fun. Maybe something stupidly glitched will inspire a mechanic.

drowsy moth
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you never know, if Bethesda claims bugs as features...

dapper pulsar
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I was talking about like, the Spy from Team Fortress type shit. They saw invisibility bugs and a bug that made you appear like a different class and or on the other team and thought. "Huh, that could be cool."

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Maybe a bug that makes Hypsi explode on contact with Carno, instantly killing it could inspire removing Carno.

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That would be a good choice.

junior crow
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@echo bridge I just wanted to say that I loved that suggestion/feedback! Regarding the new attack idea I think what could be done is the following:

When a player holds down the RMB (Right Click) the stego will do the large sweep (could be made so depending on where the player is looking is where the sweep attack will be deployed such as: behind it, possibly in front of it, to the left, or right)

And when walking or possibly trotting, clicking RMB will deploy a small sweep attack either depending on where you are looking to the left or right, or the attack will cause the stego to sweep the left then right. This attack would be weaker than the rest of stego's attacks.

Idk if this is worth adding to your doc but I figured I'd just put my two cents out there. Regardless, you did an outstanding job on that document as you covered a lot of issues that I have with stego!

echo bridge
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You could also make that bound to be an alt attack or replace the current slow backwards jab with the small shake that I've seen be suggested to me a few times
Why I really stayed general with the presentation of that idea due to the multiple ways it could be done

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I'd likely have to make a separate suggestion to further detail a new attack for stego
Thank you for the great critique and comments tho I appreciate those who read through my suggestions

urban flax
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Well mono isn't even confirmed

barren zephyr
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it is

junior crow
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np @echo bridge would love to see that seperate doc with your other ideas for stego attacks!

Also @sudden tapir I think the call could sound a lot better if it sounded more like passing wind followed by a couple of clicking noises

barren zephyr
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there is a model and some basic animations

urban flax
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really ?

junior crow
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Mono is confirmed

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dapper pulsar
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I don't think we've heard about Giga since last year.

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Or like Magy, Ovi, Proto

junior crow
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^

vast wolf
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btw half the ideas are deconfirmed weird overpowered or wrong.

dapper pulsar
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Quite the opener.

vast wolf
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on kyoya's species ideas

dapper pulsar
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What about the other half?

vast wolf
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fine to an extent

dapper pulsar
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Aight

vast wolf
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i got 3 examples of bad. alberto is not a bear. its likely to be similar to allo just more stamina and power based instead of an ambusher/grappler. bary is not a 100% piscavore, more like a generalist that will take fish when it wants. ptera is not the only flyer. quetz or some other large ahzdarchid is planned.

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a lot of the dinos on the roadmap are right

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ovi is also confirmed to be fast. unless something changed it was last stated to run at 58-68 kmph i think. either way its as fast as tenonto or carno.

dapper pulsar
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OR SOME OTHER LARGE AZHDARCHID!? TI_Champ

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OH FUCK YEAH DUDE

vast wolf
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hatz was also a possibility i think.

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its one or the other though.

dapper pulsar
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fuck yeah

vast wolf
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one glider/fisher with ptera the big ahzdarchid predator will be pretty neat then some people (including me) want a smaller flyer like rhampo or darwin or dimorph. rhampho is preferred because it could dive into the water after fish like a cormorrant so its different. also latching to surfaces.

dapper pulsar
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I just looked and Punch apparently prefers Hatzeg.

echo bridge
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Tupan as small frugivourous flyer would be interesting to further connect PC and TI
Also more reason to potentially replace Mono with Cryo, the better lopho

vast wolf
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tupan is not small lmao. tupan is heavier than ptera.

echo bridge
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oh

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damn

vast wolf
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the reason mono was used was because it had an old model that required minimal work to reintroduce.

echo bridge
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ye ik

vast wolf
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tupan is basically an ahzdarchid with a short neck big crest and robust skull.

echo bridge
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game has every PC creature except tupan and cryo
which arguably could be left abandoned after whatever the hell they did to extract the replication info from phoenix corp after the events of PC

vast wolf
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pce also has cryo spitting acid and dwarf dilo

echo bridge
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dwarf dilo was because it was juvenile

vast wolf
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i was thinking of thlassodromeus instead of tupa. tupa is closer to ptera but weird likely fruit eater instead of scavenger/piscavore.

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tupa could work then.

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just no air ram of death.

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i still have so many issues with the post kyoya made

echo bridge
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ye same here

vast wolf
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acro becomes cannibal giga

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bary only eats fish despite being around carno sized.

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alberto being slow TI_LUL

echo bridge
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Bary being more generalist might be better for it imo
Both Austro and Sucho appear to be similarly fish inclined as you put it, so some variation in Bary would be nice for the theropod piscivores
Instead of Spino being the lone half-terrestrial predator of the 4

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and Rexberto is cursed
the specific reason why Alberto works is that its as far from Rex as you can get with large tyrannosaurs

vast wolf
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alberto should be high stam decent speed good damage

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or maybe decent stam. dont think it should run down lower tiers but should run down most mids.

echo bridge
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i made a post in feedback a while back about the psuedo-mid and mid tier carnis
lemme grab what i said for alberto

vast wolf
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sucho is basically a grizzily bear that eats fish instead of plants.

echo bridge
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#general-feedback message
"Albertosaurus: The tall marathon runner its can put up a good speed that it can maintain much longer than Allo and Carno can with their sprints as well as having a nasty strong bite as tyrannosaurs do and(maybe) a strong tail smack to check rear attackers if timed well, this in trade for its gracile frame being fragile against damage from capable opponents"

vast wolf
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bary should be super flexible in what it can eat.

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i remember that. the tail smack is getting into pot territory and i dont think it should have mosr stam than carno does atm.

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alberto should take gigas niche from legacy just its built for a damage based mid tier not a bleeder apex.

echo bridge
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it would be the only theropod with a tail attack at that point

vast wolf
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alberto having a tail smack makes no sense.

echo bridge
vast wolf
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its like giving cerato a tail smack or a headbutt.

echo bridge
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has more of a reason than most of the other theropods

vast wolf
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it makes no sense and serves little purpose unless its going to hit and run things with its tail because we have turn in place.

echo bridge
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tail would mostly be a get off my tool that it could follow up by turning and attacking the careless aggressor
it wouldn't be strong enough to be worth using as its main weapon and probably would have less swing arc whilst moving due to the spine needing to be rigid to maintain balance

vast wolf
#

even still you can just turn in place to slap something. and if your being surrounded chances are your tail wont be hitting things because they will be too short.

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it could just have a bite like ptera and deino.

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or tenontos claw. the auto turn function.

echo bridge
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autoturning bites for big creatures that dont need them sounds yikes

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but i think you're right in the notion that since i gave alberto good mobility it probably wouldn't need a tail attack unless an extremely specific situation happened

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which i kinda wanted it to be like that

vast wolf
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it fills the same role as the tail swipe but is more effective.

echo bridge
#

ehh

#

tail has more range

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and doesn't require turning, which can help if you need to keep your face towards a separate opponent

vast wolf
#

the tail also has no use as it cant hit anything smaller than a utah unless it jumps.

echo bridge
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thats not what its meant for

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its not an anti small creature

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its just an extra attack behind it that requires anticipation and timing but has better range than bite

vast wolf
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then what is it used for if its not meant to be used against smaller pack animals surrounding you.

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so just pointless? extra range does nothing for it because a tail slap to the face from alberto is not stopping a sucho and wont hit a troodon.

echo bridge
urban flax
#

I agree that a tail attack for Alberto would be pointless.
Either you tail-slap them and deal little damage, either your turn around and bite them to kill them instantly.

echo bridge
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it'd prefer to not be near a sucho due to its gracile frame and suchos giant hand claws
but one that leaves itself open can obviously be taken advantage of

vast wolf
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i dont see the point in the tail slap if it A. does no damage B. cant reach smaller animals C. has no combat use out of a niche situation a turn in place bite can cover.

urban flax
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@bold stratus They are fixing stuff. But it's an ongoing work.

bold stratus
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i know but it doesnt seem like a priority

left nacelle
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It is a priority tho. They just don't show it because it's all boring programming stuff

echo bridge
#

then other properties can be added to it to compensate(CC or light fracture)
i'm just proposing that no theropod in the game has a tail attack and alberto is one of the few that could work based on its design

vast wolf
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it is literally all bug testing and programming.

left nacelle
#

In the last devlog they even said they fixed 3/4 of the things that are causing desync

vast wolf
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cough spino cough

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a predator with giant jaws dosent need to slap something with its tail.

bold stratus
#

they had 2 months and counting to fix meat chunks... and they are still not fixed. how is that a priorith

urban flax
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Update hasn't been released yet

echo bridge
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a predator with giant hands and jaws doesnt need to slap something with its tail
especially since it actually stands over everything it can hit with its tail that cares

urban flax
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So of course it's not fixed

vast wolf
#

meat chunks arent as much a priority and they are mostly fixed.

left nacelle
#

Why release tons of tiny updates fixing one bug at a time when you can get a ton fixed and release it all in one big update

echo bridge
#

meat chunks p much are fixed

urban flax
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Alberto's tail is just not made for slapping. Those pointy things we see are just scales, they're not osteoderms or horns. And that tail is too short to make a whip like a sauropod's

echo bridge
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i've only seen like 4 floating ones when playing this hotfix

vast wolf
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there is no reason to animate a tail slap for alberto when a turn in place bite can do the same job and is functionally more sound.

echo bridge
#

the biggest issue imo is the desync and how too many entities in 1 area cause massive lag

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those definitely need to be addressed further

vast wolf
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its like giving allo a sideways bite and a normal bite.

bold stratus
vast wolf
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they are solid partly because the ragdoll for them was freaking out.

wild stone
echo bridge
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i've never had that problem with eating them first try, you just have to move your head around a bit/walk away and walk back
and the solidity is a minor aesthetic detail and what gharial said

left nacelle
vast wolf
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smaller patches would be nice but they cant patch the game easily right now with so much unreleased content thats still in need of testing.

wild stone
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Really soon is entirely subjective.

bold stratus
left nacelle
echo bridge
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you misread what i said

urban flax
#

Meat chunks are probably going to be remade with gore update anyway

echo bridge
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the solidity you mentioned i was describing as the mino aesthetic detail

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not whatever bug makes it so you cant eat it first go

wild stone
echo bridge
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which i've yet to experience, every time it just took a bit of shimmying to find the spot to eat it from

left nacelle
echo bridge
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which i'm fine with being improved

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but this is much better than when meat chunks were first implemented

bold stratus
#

i dislike pot but man they know how to fix thing THEN they add stuff

wild stone
#

Very funny. We all know what patch Amarok was referring to.

vast wolf
#

update 3 was never given a solid release date. i think filipe offhandedly mentioned it could be mid-late feb.

urban flax
#

Maybe PoT is not an alpha though.

vast wolf
#

pot has a ton of issues.

bold stratus
urban flax
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There is a minimal amount of content they need to have to keep the playerbase satisfied

vast wolf
#

they still dont have finished mechanics or balanced gameplay yet.

left nacelle
echo bridge
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not like they have much to add/fix in the first place
again i think the devs are mostly aware of the issues that need fixing, but instead of small hotfixes that try to fix a single issue and break other parts of the update that are supposed to gel with update 3 content, they release it all at once

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and whilst i dont expect all of the problems to go away

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its better than patch spam

vast wolf
#

the days of deathlyrage where we had bug fixes every 3 days lmao.

echo bridge
#

like what happened back when survival first came out and they released a hotfix with like 2 changes every day and it basically made you re-validate your files every time they pushed that on dev branch

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it was nightmarish

wild stone
#

Small, bi-weekly patches would be entirely reasonable, and people should be forgiven for expecting visible progress. 🤷‍♂️

vast wolf
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new patch. fixed the floating foliage around x y z. fixed allo turning into a ball (that old model was cursed by physics).

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right now its not in a state where they can patch it and keep them same amount of effort towards update 3.

echo bridge
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its not really reasonable, especially when we already have visible progress being shown to us and patching out changes to the live build risks implementing something early that was meant to work together with the next major update and causes even more bugs

wild stone
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That's not an attack by the way, I'm fully aware that some progress is just really difficult to measure. But visible progress is something to strive for nonetheless.

vast wolf
#

personally i dont care how buggy evrima is as long as its not gamebreaking.

bold stratus
#

weekly patches are the best tbh ! at least the point of em is to fix bugs

vast wolf
#

the fps bug desync and other combat/survival issues need to be adressed asap but those can be taken care of.

echo bridge
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they have to be specifically organized to be like that
devs cant just change their whole update plans to try and accommodate for the current broken mess that eventually will be addressed in a patch that takes longer

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sadly the team isnt big enough to maintain that either

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3 programmers, 2 animators, and 3 modelers
oof

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hopefully the new applicants are good

bold stratus
#

we already have a broken mess + uptade 3 problems and bugs......... in update 9 we gonna assemble a mountain of bugs and glitches

left nacelle
#

Even tho i lot of the issues we have now will be fixed in Update 3....

urban flax
#

It's already impressive how much content and bugfixes they manage to pull off with such a small team

left nacelle
#

The bugs aren't gonna build up. That's not how it works

echo bridge
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they'll likely remain in some form but be reduced in how problematic they are

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using what update 1 was as a reference

bold stratus
vast wolf
#

the only issues i can see staying around for a while are fps desync and hitbox related with other funny things like flying fish.

echo bridge
#

most of the issues from update 1 got better but weren't completely fixed

left nacelle
bold stratus
vast wolf
#

it takes multiple patches to iron out those kind of bugs.

bold stratus
left nacelle
#

I've rather have something be less of an issue now and have it be fixed later, than have it be a huge issue for a long time and then fixed later

bold stratus
#

cause its not A PRIORITY

left nacelle
vast wolf
urban flax
#

Only fully finished games are free of bugs

vast wolf
#

all bugs are a priority.

left nacelle
#

Coding is very touchy. Fix one thing, and something else messes up, fix that and another thing messes up

vast wolf
urban flax
#

Yep

vast wolf
#

ark moment

left nacelle
#

It's impossible to have a game that is 100% bug free

wild stone
# bold stratus cause its not A PRIORITY

Actually, the reason the content for updates like fracture mechanic, perks, night vision etc. are spaced so far apart in separate updates that are often months apart...
is because desync and other issues are prioritized over them. That is precisely the reason.

vast wolf
#

tripple a game and everything breaks.

bold stratus
#

i hate how other people tells me that the isle is full of bugs and glitches but i dont have a counter argument cause i agree with them TI_Succ

echo bridge
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imo bugs in an early access game should only be prioritized to be fixed if they are close to or actually gamebreaking

left nacelle
#

The only thing you can hope is that the bugs are small enough to not be noticeable

left nacelle
echo bridge
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and while i agree that the desync sucks and the fps drop from entities sucks
but it will get progressively better over time unless we want a whole roadmap update to just be a bug fix update

wild stone
echo bridge
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then the smoothheads complain that theres nothing in the update and its worthless

bold stratus
echo bridge
#

like some people are saying with update 4

vast wolf
#

i found an interesting bug a few days ago. after logging back into a server as a small stego my head and neck were low poly but my body was normal. i had no eyes a sharp beak and angular plates.

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name one game without major bugs.

left nacelle
#

Let me rephrase. The game is early access and it was just rebuilt from the ground up. It would be very very impressive if it wasn't buggy, especially with the size of the team

urban flax
left nacelle
vast wolf
bold stratus
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bob has a smaller team

wild stone
left nacelle
echo bridge
bold stratus
urban flax
vast wolf
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update 2 was significantly less buggy than update 1 and release. update 3 will be better than update 2 and by update 4 a lot of issues will be either fixed or much less pronounced.

bold stratus
urban flax
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Why ? If you want an alpha-stage game to be bug-free... well just don't play alpha games

vast wolf
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spending all their time fixing bugs right now is fruitless because everything new is a new bug chance.

left nacelle
# bold stratus please not this excuse

It's not an excuse tho. It not a good idea to do that during alpha cause once you continue developing the game, more bugs will come up anyway. Doing something like that so early in the game's development is just a waste of time. It's better to get a lot of the game developed and then focus entirely on bugs

wild stone
bold stratus
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im getting real tired abt this damned excuse, pot fans says dont judge our game its in demo , you say its an alpha, bob says its EA , im tired of these kind of excuses .. really

vast wolf
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there is no point in only fixing bugs atm. content and bugs asure that things go smoothly and the majority of the playerbase is happy.

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bob has no excuse tbh. they dont fix anything and all the balance changes are terible.

left nacelle
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Imagine you're gardening and mid way through gardening you go and wash your hands, and then just put them back in the dirt and continue gardening. That's what it would be like right now if they focused entirely on bugs

bold stratus
left nacelle
vast wolf
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you cant have minimal bugs from a game thats also trying to introduce new aspects and has to introduce aspects to fix half the issues with the game.

bold stratus
echo bridge
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looking for a finished product for an ambitious and actively innovating alpha stage game "right now" is a fruitless endeavour regardless of what you want and how reasonable you think you propose it

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because thats just not how it works

left nacelle
vast wolf
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fixing every bug right now would take multiple months and then the second they add something new more bugs become a thing.

wild stone
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I'll say it again.

Early access is a poor excuse in 2021, as it turns out.
There absolutely is a point to fixing bugs in any build of the game that you would release to the general public. To say otherwise smacks of willful ignorance

bold stratus
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say alpha again

urban flax
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There's no such fonction in game programming as [if=bug>Then=Fix]

left nacelle
vast wolf
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fixing bugs and putting out new content is what the devs are doing and its what they should be doing. you cant fix bugs before you put in new mechanics.

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yep qa is existent to find issues.

left nacelle
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The updates are like 10x buggier for QA than they are when we get them. Just cause there's bugs in the updates doesn't mean they haven't fixed any and it doesn't mean they won't be fixed

bold stratus
vast wolf
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we always need more qa.

left nacelle
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And they are getting more. if you're 18+ you can apply right now if you want

vast wolf
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theres never enough.

echo bridge
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or they just need to do the public QA build session again
that got the bugs for the hotfix found out real quick

urban flax
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Hiring new QA members is a different thing than shifting development to fixing bugs.

bold stratus
wild stone
left nacelle
urban flax
bold stratus
vast wolf
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yeah public qa builds soon after a patch get things fixed fast.

urban flax
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Yeah actually, doing a public QA test branch after each update could be nice.

left nacelle
bold stratus
urban flax
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Like, instead of spending the 2 weeks following the release of an update searching the bugs, they just let the community find them 🙂

left nacelle
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I could see them doing more public QA stuff in the future

urban flax
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And they're nice little events. I played the public QA branch when it was out, died 2 times, didn't find any bug. It was a good time.

echo bridge
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imo it would still be a worse look to have the update "officially release" and its as buggy as it would've been if they did a public QA test session

urban flax
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Except for rubberbanding x)

echo bridge
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because they fold to people thinking the public QA test build is the final product
but not when people complain about the art assets or other aspects of the game they manage

left nacelle
echo bridge
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you could just do that with the public build

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if you release the update

left nacelle
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But on a separate branch like last time. That way people don't accidentally play the public QA version

echo bridge
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theres no difference to make it a separate test build session

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just launch a public QA server on the public release build

bold stratus
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here is why punch dont want more public qa

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CarnageTheDukeToday at 12:23 AM
why dont u let the public help QA like last time tho ?

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Punchpacket #TeamFoszorToday at 12:25 AM
@bold stratus Because mechanics aren't finished, so there'd be a significant amount of people that assume that it's what was intended for release, so you get a lot of unnecessary complaints.

left nacelle
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I think Punch referring to what would happen if you made the entire QA process public

echo bridge
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i think the tradeoff of having a mass amount of bugs found, reported, and subsequently ready to crush so the new patch can be put into a public release is much greater than the negative of "people whine about things they dont understand"

left nacelle
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But you also end up getting a lot of false bug reports due to people whining. Which can slow down things cause you need to filter them out from the legit reports

echo bridge
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Ctrl+F works
and if multiple people report the same bug then its more evidence that its a major widespread bug that is worth addressing sooner

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and other games have systems to manage overlapped bug reports

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but i get if they dont want to spend time setting that up

bold stratus
echo bridge
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but then they get to miss out on the public shining the searchlight on bugs and potentially complaining less because others tell them "its a public QA test build dummy, no shit its buggy and incomplete"

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you dont have to do that before all the desired mechanics are in

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do it when the patch is near ready

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then the public can get the last of the bugs reported, a taste of all the new content with feedback regarding how they feel, and then adjust and account for that accordingly

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the biggest issue likely being not having a system set up to make that work as its a recent idea for the evrima build
and if they are willing to not manage incomplete mechanics getting into the build that they have to explain then thats fine, but we're stuck with the slower bug fixing method which causes them to not be prioritized unless they are gamebreaking

whole sky
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How do I unlock other dinos?

vast wolf
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wrong chat and the question makes no sense.

whole sky
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My bad then.

dire ridge
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People will assume that public QA=new content. If there is no new content, they complain and return on the public server. Because 200 slot server with desync and dc is better than 100 slot QA server more stable, for these guys

vast wolf
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if your talking about something like spino or theri then thats legacy (which is not being developed due to it being a coding dead end.) and if not i dont know what to say except soon™️

zinc anvil
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well i noticed soon as people saw the new content wasnt on the QA server they just left the server.which helps no one

dire ridge
barren zephyr
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@random imp I said the same thing like 3 times now. I think they should focus on fixing all the critical problems after update 3. I don't even care if we need to wait and extra 2-3 months because of it.

safe galleon
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@gusty anchor legacy is no longer get updates

bold stratus
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i really believe the devs should focus on fixing things first before adding anything

cedar pulsar
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post update 3 it should be all bug fixes, performance issues, desync and disconnecting issues for at least a month or two. game needs to be more stable if they want this to work

barren zephyr
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yap

bold stratus
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yes !!! Fix evrima first !!!! then add whatever u wanna add

barren zephyr
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That is the most scary 3 call I have ever heard

elder rivet
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It's ugly especially for a mono out of all things

barren zephyr
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Well it’s scary but I do think it does not work well for mono

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Feel like it would work well for a cannibal making lots of random growling and crackled noises

hybrid matrix
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not only should stego be taller, its tailswipe should also be much more devastating (once apexes get added that is)

maiden anvil
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@hybrid matrix I could add that

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But do you agree to a bigger stego?

hybrid matrix
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yeah

maiden anvil
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Cool

vast wolf
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stego is about the right model size its just light compared to what it could be.

maiden anvil
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Indeed

vast wolf
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4.5 tons instead of 6 tons.

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its almost garonteed to get buffed as larger animals come in.

maiden anvil
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Great!

vast wolf
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probably a damage buff when allo is in and then a health buff when the other apexes are in.

maiden anvil
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I personally think it’s a bit too small.

vast wolf
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i mean its larger in evrima than irl.

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just carno is massive

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both carno and tenonto are 20% too large model wise and both are a bit heavy. they are getting changed soon.

maiden anvil
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Yes

vast wolf
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the first chart has their sizes.

maiden anvil
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Mind if I get a few seconds to write. I’m not as fast as you are

vast wolf
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yep

hybrid matrix
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this is what i think stego tailswipe should do once everything gets added in
#general-feedback message
(except for the perma damage things)

vast wolf
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a lot of that fits anky more

maiden anvil
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I don’t think stego needs either a size buff or a nerf. As long as it is at a size not too small to a apexes it’s fine. And stand over trike height

vast wolf
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i dont think they want stego breaking legs.

maiden anvil
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No that’s more fore anky

vast wolf
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stegos head is lower than trikes its plates and back are higher.

steady lintel
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Why didn’t anyone like the Dino slots idea?

maiden anvil
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I didn’t reed it

hybrid matrix
vast wolf
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i didnt read it either

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look at bob and pot with their slot system. all its used for is having multiple animals and revenge killing with the most overpowered animals.

steady lintel
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Did it say five slots ?

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I didn’t see that

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I didn’t read the entire thing

vast wolf
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can you post the link its lost in the sea of feedback.

steady lintel
maiden anvil
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Lol true ^

steady lintel
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Wb 3 slots or even 2 with a cool down timer so u can’t abuse locations

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Kinda like the spawn system we have

maiden anvil
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Wouldn’t say it’s bad. Just too abusive

vast wolf
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or after you die you cant pick the slots you have saved for lets say 5 mins. (this is bad for small animals but will stop mid tiers and apexes being pocketed for revenge) or you could just not have that headache.

vocal ingot
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-.- u cant really abuse slots, considering you dont choose where u spawn, if the player has 2 brain cells to rub against each other, he will be long gone before u drag ur rex ass over there

vast wolf
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some people will just sit on a spot they have their apex and use the apex as a pocket revenge token kind of thing.

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it happens in both other games that have the system.

vocal ingot
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cool, cuz of like 1/100 players thats a troll motivated enough to do that we have to forget about a super cool qol feature PogO

vast wolf
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because people will abuse it no matter what and it will always be an issue.

paper geyser
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if a mechanic can be abused it will be abused. That's just how it works in video games

vocal ingot
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ye... but its a balancing act, imo its a good enough qol feature so that i can deal with getting trolled once or twice

paper geyser
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of course it can be mitigated sometimes, but the risk needs to be taken into account

lilac swallow
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I think a delay between switching slots would solve the revenge kill problem

vocal ingot
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^

lilac swallow
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Like a 2 hours delay

vocal ingot
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that aswell

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or maybe even an area check

lilac swallow
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You cant revenge kill 2 hours later

vocal ingot
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area check would be even better imo, "is this dino within 2km, yes or no" then let the player spawn if it isnt

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and the other player will have time to eat and leave

hybrid matrix
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@golden iron thats an interesting idea. However I think it should be based on what the animal is eating and whether or not its within their diet, which would also mean that certain foods in an animal's diet would be more/less beneficial than other foods in its diet

golden iron
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Yea, in real life dinos wouldnt try to kill everything because the risk of death was too great.

vast wolf
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irl predators spend more time worrying about being injured than how to dispatch their prey.

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but this is a game and a lot of things real animals have at their disposal dont exist.

steady lintel
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Also food drop is pretty fast

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So they would have to balance it out

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And in the end it will kinda just be the same

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On top of that it’s not real time

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So I think the entire point of growing fast and filling up fast and losing food fast is is that time in this game is simply built to fit in with all that

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So tbh I don’t really agree with it

vast wolf
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the less time you spend eating the more time you can spend focousing on things like sparring and burrowing ect for the elder system.

golden iron
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I didnt take into account the things our dinos can do in the future when most of the systems are implemented. It just atm, eating is all there really is to do besides fighting

vast wolf
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that will change with update 4 and 5

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and eventually when sparring and such get put in.

elder rivet
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We don't need another rex remodel dude, it already looks fine as it is

paper oriole
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our rex looks scrappy it's missing its lower ribcage

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but i guess it's all up to preference

elder rivet
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that's literally all that needs to change for rex, we don't need to make it an obese giant

paper oriole
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it isnt obese tho lol

dapper pulsar
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Wasn't Sue like

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Starving or something

elder rivet
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Extra meat wouldn't hurt, but a complete remodel that makes it extremely fat and wide would be just unnecessary

paper oriole
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The isle rex's knees go well past the stomach when they should be pretty aligned with it. It isnt obesity it's how its skeleton is

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paper geyser
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Isle rex is most certainly a little malnourished/deformed, but I think we’ll just have to live with that for now

paper oriole
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Probably, if the devs like it that way i doubt itll change any time soon if ever

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Why did aomebody spell out shut in reacts when theres a shut emote lol

dapper pulsar
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Ok, so at the very least Sue was not over eating before her demise. So that statue is showcasing a healthy weight to malnourished Rex.

paper oriole
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It probably takes a ton to keep a rex going so its not surprising if they often ended up starving in their later years

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So our rex is a bit scrawnier than a starving rex lol

dapper pulsar
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Our Rex is way scrawnier than a starving Rex if that statue takes into account her believed starvation.

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However, I believe Sue might be built like a fucking truck by Rex standards.

paper oriole
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Or rex is more like tyrannosaurus rexic

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Ok that was a bad pun

dapper pulsar
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I liked it.

paper oriole
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Tyranno-rexic heh heh

dapper pulsar
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My favorite part about that image is how it occasionally invites people in this Discord to rant about why The Field Museum is wrong.

paper oriole
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It's wrong because they don't like it TI_Troll

dapper pulsar
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They are like

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That statue is at bare minimum on par with Saurian's Rex.

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If the people who have more Sue than anyone else on the planet say so, that's what Sue, and by extension T-Rex looked like.

paper oriole
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People are so attached to jp and other mainstream rexes they dont wanna let go and embrace tyrannochunkus

dapper pulsar
paper oriole
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Personally i'd find big mama wall of meat behemoth rex way more intimidating than our current one but that's just me

hybrid matrix
dapper pulsar
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I mean, big mama is living proof that it knows how to kill.

arctic nimbus
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Fatter rex would make more sense since its meant to be a powerhouse

hybrid matrix
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chonkasaurus rex is spookier than tyranno-rexic

paper geyser
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Tyranno-rexic lmao

paper oriole
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Also it'd make it more unique compared to the more streamlined giga

worn pumice
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If everything thing is getting fatter then rex should join this fat movement lol

dapper pulsar
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I love circle jerks.

worn pumice
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Wouldn’t it make u gay tho

paper oriole
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If they make rex thicc i might not KOS every rex juvie i see

worn pumice
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Yk there’s only been one remodel of trike so seeing that get a remodel would be cool

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Although I look at anky and it’s like do I rly want the remodel tho lol

dapper pulsar
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It's a large carnivore, they'll-

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Wait

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Huh

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Maybe our Rex is the best possibility

worn pumice
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Everytime I hear a remodel

nova anchor
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a rex remodel in the future would be nice

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not super important but nice

paper oriole
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Ya im kinda worried about any remodels now because of anky and a few others, even though trike and diablo and some others would greatly benefit from a good remodeling

nova anchor
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Remodels would def be later down the line

warm ridge
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in case devs wanna keep the skinnier version i mean

candid fiber
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@sudden tapir Too much at once, hard to give proper feedback to this.

valid zephyr
safe galleon
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@short canopy char is basically completely useless, just a giga/acro clone

short canopy
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Sad it should of been added over acro

lilac swallow
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We already have char, it's giga

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Literally the same animal

fervent fable
short canopy
short canopy
lilac swallow
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Wow, so different

fervent fable
lilac swallow
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Acro at the very least has a different over all body

lilac swallow
fervent fable
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soz

lilac swallow
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Np

short canopy
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Something that took bites out of spino makes it a top dino

fervent fable
paper geyser
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giga skin

fervent fable
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also new giga model looks like carcharo, just think in your mind that it's called carcharo TI_Troll

tepid gate
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Carcharodontosaurus did not take bites out of Spino(I mean it likely did but we have no evidence for it). As the others have stated - it's way too similar to Giga in terms of its looks and anatomy. Acro's already pushing it imo, Carch would, maybe/perhaps/if you try really hard work as a skin but even that's arguable.

zinc anvil
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normally when 2 apex predators meet they avoid each other as they know mostly likely out come of the fight is them both dying

short canopy
tepid gate
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It's not been bitten by a Carcharodontosaurus. You've likely watched that documentary that turned Spino into the godzilla, they apparently said that the sail was bitten by Carcha there. In reality this was an environmental damage done post-mortem to the skeleton. They simply decided to skew the facts to make it more sensational.

short canopy
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Seen several pieces saying it was a bite nothing saying otherwise whats your source

tepid gate
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As for whether the two would interact - I'm relatively convinced that if a large and hungry enough Carcharodontosaur stumbled upon Spino it would treat it as a prey item.

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All those pieces are based on the assumptions made by the creators of the documentary. If you want to learn more about this go to paleotalk. I was convinced of some evidence of Carcharodontosaurus predation on Spino myself until recently but people there have given me enough evidence to convince me otherwise.

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If you ask in that channel they will tell you everything you need to know about it.

fervent fable
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at the end of the day just cause something bitten a spino doesn't make it top predator,
and viable cause of that reason

left nacelle
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By that logic, ticks, flees, mosquitoes, and crows would all be top predators. Since they bite things like bears and lions all the time TI_Troll

real pendant
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@kindred flare
"Make stego heavier/more health. Its fine for now but if it stays this thin hes just going apex chew toy. And fix the stupid tail thing. Its dumb how 1 single half brain carno can destroy a stego by doing something that was supposed to be removed in evrima. Assriding"

Ass-riding in legacy meant the opponent can't hit you back, the stego CAN hit the carno in the face whilst being ass-ridden, dealing 99% of his HP. They simply need to add some sort of passive damage to biting a tail of spikes.

cedar pulsar
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Recoil/Thorns damage will be important in the future anyway to something like kentro

real pendant
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exactly

cedar pulsar
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all they need to do is just put passive damage on the tail of stego and all this uproar will be solved

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it can be buffed or something later when apexes and other strong shit rolls around

real pendant
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they need to be extra careful with the hitbox though, like they need to have it just where the spike ends, and to where the spikes start on the tail. So if you bite the fleshy bit of the tail it shouldn't do the damage, it should only damage if you bite the spikes

cedar pulsar
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mhm

real pendant
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the tail isnt the way of taking a stego down right now anyway, it's just a way of getting cheap hits in, but i agree it needs to be changed

cyan flame
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Bite the tail "above" the thagomizer and you're good, bite on the thagomizer and you go ouch.

cedar pulsar
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if you try to go for tail bites away from the thago then your still in the line of fire of the thrust

cyan flame
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And make thagomizer take no/minimal damage, it's.. barely anything there to bite anyway, it's like biting an anky tailclub

cedar pulsar
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^

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though lord have mercy on poor little anky since idk what’s going on with him

noble pine
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@bold stratus you do understand that almost all the devs have different jobs right? Like filipe could be fixing stuff while kissen works on deino or ptera. They are doing those things but at the same time.

cedar pulsar
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i just hope that post update 3 and after it’s all balanced they focus on all the DCs, desync, and other bugs for at least some months before really starting to work into update 4

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last night I spawned as a Hypsi and my spawn point was next to a tree

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got stuck and couldn’t move at all till I died and respawned

noble pine
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Did you not just read what I said

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They can do both at the same time

bold stratus
noble pine
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If every dev did the same thing, we wouldn’t have a game

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Why would make animators stop doing their job so you could fix bugs that have nothing to do with them?

bold stratus
cedar pulsar
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mk i see what you mean

noble pine
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Again, that doesn’t make sense, it’s not like they need their help with testing either when they have 20+ QA

urban flax
bold stratus
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u didnt understand ! you add stuff but dont make it to the public branch YET ! until the nessecary fixes comes

zinc anvil
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You know you can't just fix somethings in a matter of minutes so why not try to fix things while adding content

urban flax
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The only ones who can fix the bugs are the ones who programmed the game

urban flax
noble pine
urban flax
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Many bugs we have have been discovered because of the steam release and weren't present in the QA build of the game

bold stratus
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let me give u an example ! the deino is finished and done ! lets release it to the public..... oh no wait ! before we release it lets fix those meat chunks first ! just an example

noble pine
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That’s a post update priority

urban flax
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If they decided to release update 3 without fixing bugs, it would already have been released

noble pine
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They’re trying to get the update out so people will chill