#general-feedback-discussion

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vast wolf
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i think like 5 people know that

left nacelle
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But we know that the company in PC:E exists in The Isle, this has been confirmed

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Phoenix International

vast wolf
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i just never care to poke lore on my own

left nacelle
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Me either, but I heard Dondi mention it before and thought it was cool lol

vast wolf
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i just forget everything about the lore in general

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because i never think about it

robust spire
elder rivet
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Could we take this somewhere else

vast wolf
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fossil fighters champions spinosaurus

robust spire
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Oohhhhh

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Never heard of it but ok

hybrid matrix
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sorry but terrorbird would just be an ostrich carno

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thats wut it is

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carno but an ostrich

tame hawk
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Did you read my post lol

hybrid matrix
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yes

robust spire
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Ok

tame hawk
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got ❌ literally a second after posting that

vast wolf
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basically just another utah

hybrid matrix
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no matter wut terrorbird is just ostrich carno

tame hawk
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my idea was that it can bite chunks off of prey without killing it (so not just a carno, but a new feature too) lol

hybrid matrix
tame hawk
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yes indeed, kinda like how hypsi is feathered dryo with blinding spit

left nacelle
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The devs mentioned giving Giga an ability like that a while ago actually. "flesh grazing" they called it

vast wolf
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flesh grazing is not fun for the prey item

hybrid matrix
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isnt ostrich carno on its own a new feature?
is it an ostrich? is it a carno?
its both

vast wolf
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pretty sure its soft confirmed for giga

tame hawk
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that would be cool

vast wolf
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its also pretty broken ngl

hybrid matrix
left nacelle
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I think it would work better for giga honestly. Plus a terrorbird would be kinda small, it's like utah sized

tame hawk
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depends on how the feature is implemented if its broken or not

vast wolf
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giga would have to attack something like shant camara brachi or trike to flesh graze

tame hawk
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yea it would be small, but the flesh grazing feature would allow it to have larger prey

vast wolf
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terror birds are tailless beaked dromeasaurs

hybrid matrix
left nacelle
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A terrorbird that runs up and takes chunks off of you would just be annoying

vast wolf
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i dont like the idea of a 400 kg animal taking out a 2-3 ton one alone

tame hawk
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again, did you read my post lol

left nacelle
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Plus I think it would look out of place, even though it is a dinosaur

vast wolf
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also yeah ceonzoic life as a whole is not a thing the devs want

hybrid matrix
vast wolf
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so birds are now reptiles

left nacelle
tame hawk
hybrid matrix
vast wolf
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titanoboa is still not confirmed and i think its a bad addition

left nacelle
vast wolf
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basically just sit around and hope you dont die when eating small things sim.

hybrid matrix
left nacelle
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Wdym by "go together"

vast wolf
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to paleotalk with the birds are dinosaurs and birds arent dinosaurs

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because we will get yelled at

left nacelle
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I'll end the conversation now then lol

robust spire
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Dinosaurs + giant snek = ARK

hybrid matrix
tame hawk
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gee didnt realize terror bird and flesh grazing would get so much hate lol

vast wolf
left nacelle
robust spire
tame hawk
robust spire
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It would have to work like Utah pounce

vast wolf
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thats because the devs have already expressed not wanting things like mammoths and terror birds in the game.

left nacelle
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Giving a fast creature the ability to eat and hurt animals without killing them just sounds annoying for the prey honestly

tame hawk
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i got 3 ❌ on that post literally 2 seconds after posting it lol

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but i do see wym by it being annoying, could be fun to play like that tho too on the other hand lol

vast wolf
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because a terror bird is an avian utah with a beak

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and a mammoth is like magy but slower and even weaker.

left nacelle
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How would a mammoth be weaker than magy when it's like at least double the size? Huh? lol

robust spire
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The idea is good, maybe put it for a raptor or trodon or smth but I don’t like the idea of putting terror birds and mammoths and shit

dense wagon
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also flesh grazing is broken in a multiplayer game
it encourages ugly mixpacking because the herbivores can sustain the carnivores without actually having to die

tame hawk
vast wolf
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the only thing i think should get flesh grazing is giga

robust spire
robust spire
vast wolf
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and thats still questionable

robust spire
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Giga is capable of taking a Rex if careful

left nacelle
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And giga's flesh grazing will be different than the suggestion anyway. They said it'll latch onto things to eat

left nacelle
vast wolf
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it would have to be on a grab where the giga would have to expend stam to take the chunk and if it lost the trade would get battered.

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giga likely wont be doing as well in evrima

elder rivet
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Because of how turn in place works a rex would have to force himself to not turn in place for the giga to win

robust spire
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I swear to god if it is I’m done

vast wolf
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rex trike anky stego and theri will likely have great matchups against giga

dense wagon
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literally nothing in evrima would be big enough to survive a giga taking a bite out of it, except the apexes

left nacelle
tame hawk
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idk, giga could run 31 mph

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irl

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but would be broken in game lol

dense wagon
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not this again

vast wolf
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anky with armor and insane damage trike with its face having armor stego and theris insane damage and rex because it can just walk over it.

robust spire
dense wagon
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^ giga has no use for flesh grazing

vast wolf
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because its unique and diferentiates it from acro and allo.

robust spire
left nacelle
dense wagon
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useless differentiation

vast wolf
robust spire
tame hawk
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slowly eating its prey like a komodo dragon lol

left nacelle
# robust spire Ooooh

This is something the devs hinted at btw, not just a random thing someone said lol

robust spire
vast wolf
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basically latch on have to fight a grapple battle and if it wins it does a ton more bleed and possible a bit of food but i it looses it gets smacked pretty bad.

robust spire
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Bc in legacy giga is underpowered

vast wolf
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im just taking everything you say as hostile.

left nacelle
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Wtf TI_LUL

vast wolf
tame hawk
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wat

robust spire
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It gets shat on by a skilled Rex and a spino

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And even anky stego theri

left nacelle
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"skilled"

vast wolf
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anky cant kill giga anymore

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2 bites the giga wins

robust spire
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Why

tame hawk
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bleed

vast wolf
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^

robust spire
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I thought anky weighed 6

vast wolf
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anky has 5400 hp but cant 2 shot giga.

robust spire
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Ok nvm then

tame hawk
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anky slow, giga bleedy boi, giga win

robust spire
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Theri def can kill a giga

tame hawk
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yee

robust spire
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I’ve seen it happen

dense wagon
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is this feedback discussion? seems like legacy pvp discussion

tame hawk
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lolol

robust spire
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It started off as feedback

vast wolf
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in terms of survival animals giga only looses to rex and even then it can always get away because it has a ton more stamina and stupid trot speed.

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giga basically invalidates sucho and para

robust spire
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It started with me saying Rex was unbalanced

vast wolf
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and is scarry to diablo.

robust spire
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But those are leagues behind

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That makes sense

tame hawk
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and giga came up because i suggested flesh grazing in general feedback lol

tepid gate
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Anything can get away from Rex if it sees it, the point in the Rex gameplay is not to be seen

vast wolf
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so trike should kill rex then because its got 3k more hp and weight?

robust spire
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Rex gameplay is ambush based, conserving stam, and leg breaking

vast wolf
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legacy pvp is terible

robust spire
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Trike claps a Rex

vast wolf
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sucho has no counter play to giga expt use its entire stamina bar and log out

tame hawk
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trike vs rex is pretty even in my experience

dense wagon
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alright but weighing alot doesn't mean much when you can barely move. did you forget about legbreak

vast wolf
dense wagon
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^

vast wolf
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unless the rex is dumb it always wins in a 1 on 1

robust spire
robust spire
vast wolf
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if it lets you ride it or improperly trades it looses

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all a rex has to do is double bite or bait a stomp and break the trikes leg

robust spire
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Giga and spino are no threat to a trike

vast wolf
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spino can legit facetank trike wtf

tame hawk
vast wolf
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your high

hybrid matrix
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ok rq i just want to remind yall how over powered shants turn is when its running. shant running turn is giga running turn times 1k

vast wolf
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spino beats trike 90% of the time

tepid gate
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Giga and Spino dumpster Trike, the fight against a Giga can be won but Spino just deletes a Trike 100% of the time unless it's really bad

vast wolf
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faster turn more bulk and no care.

robust spire
vast wolf
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explain TI_Wheeze

robust spire
tepid gate
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No, it really doesn't matter what the Trike does as long as Spino isn't clueless

vast wolf
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trike looses to giga 75% of the time

robust spire
dense wagon
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this is a very flimsy argument.
"bro i 1v1d this guy before and always beat him"
"no he must suck"

vast wolf
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trike vs rex is 70-30 trike vs giga is 75-25 and spino vs trike is 99-1 in the carnivores favor

robust spire
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I’ve won 75% of my fights as a trike

tepid gate
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Spino needs to bite Trike 5 times and it can just back off - it heals up all the bleed within ~4 minutes while Trike is stuck healing for 10 minutes - it just bleeds out

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Rex wins against Trike 100% of the time unless it's bad

robust spire
vast wolf
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trust me i would dumpster you with spino

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i could kill you for an hour straight with spino.

dense wagon
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LMAO i love how yall keep proving my point

vast wolf
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and giga as well

robust spire
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Tryme bitch

vast wolf
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cant atm sadly

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have to go

robust spire
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Niether

tame hawk
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🍿 popcorn anyone?

vast wolf
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but still trike is trash in legacy

dense wagon
tame hawk
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🤣

robust spire
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Everyone says trike is a tier below the other apexes even tho it’s not

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It just doesn’t have speed

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Therefore it’s neglected

vast wolf
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herbivore roster for legacy anky < trike < stego < theri < shant

robust spire
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Shan’t is my main

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The Dino I’ve played most as

vast wolf
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non survival main

tepid gate
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No, it's not just about speed, it's about how hits register in the legacy

vast wolf
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eew

robust spire
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My survival main is trike

vast wolf
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trike does almost no damage

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its just a walking stat check

robust spire
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But the turn

vast wolf
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trike turns like trash now

robust spire
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The z walk turn

vast wolf
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trike can be ridden by giga or rex

tepid gate
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It doesn't matter how fast it turns

robust spire
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U can tail ride a spino as trike u halfwit

vast wolf
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dosent matter gets a broken leg from a rex it cant deal with it

tepid gate
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Rex just blitzes it with doublebites

vast wolf
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because spino cant be ass ridden

robust spire
vast wolf
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yeah if trike cat get 3 stomps on rex it dies

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trotting spino is bad walking spino is unridable

tepid gate
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You don't make enough contact with the trike to allow it to use the turn rate

robust spire
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A z walking spino can’t be ridden by any apex

vast wolf
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spino beats trike every time and beats a long giga every time

robust spire
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Only mid tiers, even then I gotta be very careful

tepid gate
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You basically run in - double bite it, disengage, turn around and repeat that until its dead

vast wolf
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^

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double bite tank the stomp for the leg break and win with rex

tepid gate
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Spino dumpsters both Trike and Giga it loses only against Rex

robust spire
vast wolf
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rex is spinos only bad matchup

tame hawk
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I got a question ya'll are on the topic- should a giga use z-walk during fights/tailriding or is it too slow?

vast wolf
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it facetanks almost everything else

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it depends

tepid gate
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no, don't z walk as Giga, it makes your turn rate worse than the trotting turn

vast wolf
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z walking is fine but trotting is also good

robust spire
tepid gate
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No, z walking on Giga is terrible in combat

vast wolf
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it depends on what you need

tame hawk
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gotcha, ty everyone!

tepid gate
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We should move this to isle-discussion btw

tame hawk
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Prob lol

vast wolf
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z walk if your riding them fine but turn trot on if they turn a lot

paper oriole
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crocodiles may eat fruit occasionally but deer eat baby birds so does that mean we should let herbis eat babies too TI_Troll

tepid gate
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Yes

paper oriole
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ngl i wouldnt object to that addition

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then i could eat baby utahs

tepid gate
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You have no idea how many times I was torn about not being able to eat the little Utah I've tailslammed into the ground as a Tenonto

paper oriole
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also deer and other herbivores have been spotted many times munching on bones and bits

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imagine that scene with the apatos in JP with the kids in the trees except it's a merc and the brachi eats them TI_Troll

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"you thought i was friendly huh bitch"

left nacelle
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I just thought it would be an interesting way to encourage deinos to come out of water and it would add something a bit more unique to them. Plus, how are they gonna use salt licks?

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But yeah i do kinda see your point

paper oriole
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wtf a velo wrapping its tail around literally anything

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you do know its not a lizard right

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also his arms and legs dont exactly look good for wrapping around things either

elder rivet
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Velo's not a titanoboa

paper oriole
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dromeosaurs have stiff tails for balance/running so unless velo wants to break his bones that aint happening lol

paper oriole
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wait i just noticed that theri is among the dinos listed that velo could choke LOL wtf

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yeah good luck with that

junior crow
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The tail wrapping im assuming is trying to give velo a new niche similar in uniqueness to Beipi being an aquatic theirzienosaur. So I'm imagining velo would try and bite down on the throat of young animals and try and choke them out while using its arms and tail to help out

paper oriole
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yeah sur eif it wants to also flop all over the place while running and have shit agility

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unless their goal is also to make it totally arboreal or something else to make use of a floppy bendy tail

left nacelle
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I could see velo getting a pounce for small animals/babies, but definitely not a choke lol

paper oriole
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one of the key traits of dromeosaurs is their stiff tails though

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yeah velo can wrestle and pounce but choking is just wtf lol

left nacelle
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Tree climbing velo would be neat too, maybe give it the ability to jupm off of trees onto small prey. Or it could be hypsi's main predator

paper oriole
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it is small enough compared to herrera that it wouldnt be a total clone as an arboreal

left nacelle
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You could also give velo the ability to stand in trees like hypsi but only give herrera the ability to cling onto trees due to its size

elder rivet
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imo velo should be able to climb trees but because of it's weight get on thinner branches where herreras couldn't, it should also be able to glide for a short period of time if it is caught on a large branch to escape

paper oriole
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velo could def maneuver among branches easier with his size and switchblade claw

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a sort of slowfall would def not hurt either

left nacelle
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I don't think gliding would be a good idea for velo, especially since it won't be exclusively feathered from what we know

paper oriole
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but would be weird af on non feathered skins

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yeah

paper oriole
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I personally like the current mainmenu being an old cruddy monitor, it just fits

robust spire
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i have evrima up but how do i switch back to legacy when i want to

urban flax
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Deselect the beta from steam

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Just as you selected evrima before

hexed badger
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There is a way to have both, right?

urban flax
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Yeah, it's probably pinned in troubleshooting
You have to copy your Isle folder as you change beta and paste it somewhere else, then replace it when you want to change
I don't know if I'm very clear

kindred flare
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um no, just re-install legacy, change the file name to something like The Isle - Legacy, then re-install evrima

hexed badger
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Hmmm... a burrowing system, would be interesting, if it isn’t just: Hold [Insert button here] and go in a hole, that is always the same. Maybe have it so you really need to build it your own?

kindred flare
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that would be cool, you have to find certain items like sticks to make it

hexed badger
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Legacy ain’t gonna get any updates soon

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They are mainly focusing on the development of evrima, since it isn’t a mess of code

kindred flare
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Yeah, thats why change the file name of legacy so you can still update evrima

hybrid matrix
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@hexed badger yea so the whole reason therizinosaurus evolved its long claws in the first place was to attack large predators (theri was originally a carnivore but it couldnt keep its sharp teeth AND the claws so it switched to herbi). theri should be lethal to anything that attacks it (unless its getting bitten by a brachi, in which case RUN THERI RUUUUNN).

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also theri should oneshot anything smaller than an acro

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and dont say "but thats too OP" bc the devs shoulda thought about that b4 ADDING DINOSAUR EDWARD SCISSOR-HANDS

odd token
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You really want a 2.8 ton animal to jump @kindred flare

lofty pagoda
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allo pounce 🙂

kindred flare
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Not from far away, like utah, but more lunge onto it.

odd token
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I know this game doesn't follow paleo accurate concepts of dinos, but gravity is still a thing

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Allo won't jump, but ram or grapple

kindred flare
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Just cause it was heavy doesnt mean it couldnt do that, its muscles are to scale with its weight

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It couldnt jump high ir anything but go airbourne for a short second would be interesting

odd token
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If I wanna see a 2.8 ton animal to jump I wouldn't play Isle but search for any other shitty creature survival game

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Your suggestion of allo jumping is ridiculous

kindred flare
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Well every dino has to have something unique to it. What is allo supposed to have then

odd token
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Definitely not jumping like a utah

kindred flare
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Not like a utah.

odd token
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He can grab onto things with its arms, bite it

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something in that direction

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I'm sure the devs will find something for it

kindred flare
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Sure, so can spino and utah and basically anything with arms longer than a rex

odd token
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Allo is itself already unique enough, a decent predator with good allrounder stats

hexed badger
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Allo pouncing?

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What

kindred flare
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Same a spino. Just not an apex

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Weak spino

odd token
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Could be, sometimes you just have a weaker version of another dinosaur

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thats how it is sometimes

kindred flare
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Allo should have something that isnt just legacy allo plopped into evrima

magic fjord
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YEAH lets add allo pounce... Like utah pounce is really weak right? Smh

odd token
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legacy is already non-existent

kindred flare
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Have you seen evrimas playercount to legacy

magic fjord
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Its cool but its just not ment to be in the isle

odd token
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I've seen it, and I know the majority is still playing it. We all know how it will end though

kindred flare
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Why, i mean you have fucking massive ass armoured dinosaurs and mutant people. Why cant allo have a little jump

odd token
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you don't see carno jumping do you

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or alberto

kindred flare
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Carno has nothing to jump on, and even if it did they dont have the arms to support the landing on the animal

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Youce basically got that thing running around

odd token
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oh but allo's arms can hold its 2.8 ton body huh

kindred flare
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And an allo hop seems impracticle?

cobalt compass
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@barren zephyr which dino did you play? hypsi or dryo? fall dmg is calculated with weight, lighter dinos take less dmg

icy lion
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allo was said to already be getting a grapple

odd token
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yeah and this guy wants a jump

kindred flare
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Grapple jump, same thing

odd token
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jump is unnecessary here

kindred flare
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It means the same thing

icy lion
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no it doesnt

odd token
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grapple already does the job

kindred flare
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Grapple is basically the gif

odd token
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you won't be hunting prey that is double its size either, especially not solo

icy lion
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grapple is grabbing something like a wrestler. the gif is a pounce

kindred flare
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Thats just a grab

odd token
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its a pounce

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the GIF

icy lion
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grappling is not a jump, nor does it require one

kindred flare
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Then its just a grab

icy lion
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thats... what grapple means

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grappling is wrestling

kindred flare
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Thats not very unique then... anyhting with chad arms can do that

odd token
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doesnt have to be unique

kindred flare
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Then its just lame

icy lion
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well you wanted it to pounce like utah, that isnt unique either

odd token
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its still a good predator in its mid spot thats what makes it unique

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everything doesn't always revolve around being unique

icy lion
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a 2.8 ton animal isnt going to pounce

odd token
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if you actually believe allo would be lame then you have no idea

icy lion
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and it certainly won't cling to anything

kindred flare
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Its gonna get lost as a pretty boring animal imo

odd token
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unlikely

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but thats your opinion

kindred flare
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Basic boi. Pretty lame i probably wouldnt play it if it wasnt an allo cause thats my favourite carnivore

cobalt compass
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as speculating about things is entertaining, i'd recommend playing the things before just stating its lame, boring and not unique

vast wolf
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laying your eggs in another animals nest wont work for a game because humans can differentiate between them pretty easily.

barren zephyr
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Camo eggs

thorn glacier
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@rustic gull Update 3 was never confirmed to be coming by the end of january, that was simply a possible time for it
The update will be out when its ready, which is what the devs have been saying this whole time

edgy hamlet
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^ The devs never give an specific release date, the one with january was mistaken with the patch to fix some of the crashes and desync problems

barren zephyr
edgy hamlet
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i mean i guess as soon as the fracture mechanic comes falling down somewhere will be lethal anyways

barren zephyr
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Official Servers shouldnt have rules, the ''rules'' should be formed via game mechanics

lofty pagoda
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did you even read the suggestion

barren zephyr
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There should not be any temporary rules because it removes the devs of a perspective of how their game is played with the current mechanics. Thus they can add new mechanics to combat characteristics they dislike but keeps it fun for the players. For me rules dont make games fun barring toxicity.

vestal hound
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the devs know how their game is played without rules... its called legacy.

Thus they can add new mechanics to combat characteristics they dislike but keeps it fun for the players.

I don't understand that sentence at all, can you explain?

somber wraith
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The rules I suggested are temporary for a reason. They will go away with the mechanics if they do add them

edgy hamlet
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but why add them then? the game wont be able to be played properly anyways yet since everyone is just expierementing around, imo adding a deathmatch sandbox server makes more sense, so people dont let their aggression out on the survival ones

cobalt compass
barren zephyr
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Sure thing

cobalt compass
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sorry, bad connection...
please record and try to reproduce the bug

somber wraith
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So we can have placeholders for the mechanics we don’t have bubbles

edgy hamlet
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Can ya give me some examples?

vestal hound
edgy hamlet
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Yep like i said, but tbh id rather wait a year while some things dont work out like they should instead of playing with people that cant read rules

vestal hound
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but the game can't be tested like that

edgy hamlet
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i mean thats how it was before too tho and it wasnt a big problem

vestal hound
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that was one of the biggest problems before already
thats why legacy officals had rules

edgy hamlet
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some rules of course, like mixpacking and pack limits are needed

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but what else?

vestal hound
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?? that is what we want

somber wraith
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Ok I was typing an essay but then they said that and now I’m confused

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Cause that’s what we want

cobalt compass
edgy hamlet
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^

vestal hound
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yes we know but till then

cobalt compass
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but first the mechanics have to be implemented

edgy hamlet
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well if you only want mixpack rules of course i agree, but that wont really work till update 4

somber wraith
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we know but we don’t have that yet and the officials are suffering so we should have rules in the time being

cobalt compass
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until, rules are necessity and will be removed when the time is right

somber wraith
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They are a necessity rn. I died to a pack of 10 raptors yesterday the limit is way below that and that’s over 10% of the server! I also saw mixpacking on streams on the same server and nothing can be done about it without dying. Mega and mix packs make the ecosystem of the server unbalanced and makes it so that unskilled players can beat even the best players in the game by sheer numbers or unfair mixpacking.

edgy hamlet
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i agree on that, tho still we'd have to wait for update 4 since rn admins cant do much

somber wraith
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I’m just asking the admins to count and see if 2 different species of carnivores are working together it’s not that hard. They did it just fine on legacy and there were 25 more players on legacy servers

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And finding streamsnipers isn’t that hard. They have very obvious body language and most streamers can tell if theyre being sniped. And not many streamers stream on official or on evrima so they don’t have to look after a ton of streamers at once

edgy hamlet
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legacy was working better too tho, from what i heard people cant be banned yet in evrima, only kicked, plus the spectator mode is bugged af so its hard to see all the names and kick them individually. As soon as update 4 releases i would like some rules too tho

barren zephyr
dire ridge
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@haughty cliff what was your dino ? when you tried to buck

haughty cliff
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Full-growth stego, it worked twice and the rest of the time my dino just stood there

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I've done it before but i haven't had issues in the past

vestal hound
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zote read back to the suggestion, this is till the mechanics are in game
its like 2 rules redzor said
not like those survival servers with whole essays

haughty cliff
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it may be that i'm over mud and it wanted to use mud instead? but there was no prompt for that

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and i -have- bucked over mud before

dire ridge
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do you tap the key or hold it ?

haughty cliff
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i'm dead now 😛 but hold it ofc

dire ridge
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tap it

edgy hamlet
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just run against a treeTI_Troll utahs go woosh then

dire ridge
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and if you are on a mud area tap and move aswell, it work too

haughty cliff
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Why tap it? Isn't bucking e-hold?

dire ridge
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no, if you tap it the bucking will start his animation no matter what, until it finish

vestal hound
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are you telling me you can stack bucking?

haughty cliff
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i thought you were meant to hold it to maintain it

barren zephyr
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Nah you have to mash E

dire ridge
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if i said to you tap it, its because you will probably have less problem with other interaction (imo)

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Bucking is a fix animation with a fix time to it. Eg: Stego, carno and teno animation don't have the same duration

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that's why some dino need to buck more than once to deplete all of a utah stamina

haughty cliff
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yeah sadly the bug report form's way too much for me to fill out, last time i tried they wanted a video of the sound bug i tried to report and i don't have software for that so. oh well

dire ridge
cobalt compass
haughty cliff
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hot damn drips I hadn't seen that Spero map... that is gorgeous. I'd love that, I'd imagine it might be impossible to copy/paste just a segment but if they could I'd love to see it

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and thanks, melonidas, it's just too much hassle for a quick issue but if i have something major come up i'll take note

urban bear
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@hybrid matrix thats already in the game a large scent cloud forms around a large group of players

hybrid matrix
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i kno

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but wut im saying is that if a large amount of carnivores r very close to each other then a very strong pink scent trail is visible from far away, making them easy to avoid or kill

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also about vektor's suggestion, its better to just make them very stinky and then let the rexes/gigas/acros do the rest of the work

dire ridge
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If their just more visible with scent, they will still overpack and run over the map killing everything

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Imo overpacking/mixpacking should be a little more server than your suggestion. (Even me, im not to sure about the debuff but people need to stay in line and stop being jerk)

hybrid matrix
# dire ridge If their just more visible with scent, they will still overpack and run over the...

yes but if they just have a stat debuff it'll make them want to overpack more, that way they dont die. also if they have a rlly strong scent, then they r easily avoidable, which eliminates the point of the megapack, killing things. ppl would be able to see them from miles away, which would also mean apexes, which would mean apexes killing the megapackers, which would mean no more megapackers

dire ridge
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Cause, i want them to get spot even when not sniffing

urban flax
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Actually, I believe the scent mechanic is a great idea. Sure it won't work very well against carnos, but it's still better than nothing. Devs could even rework the group limits to remove hard limits and replace them with a scent mechanic that becomes stronger and stronger the more you overpack.

dire ridge
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I think the scent mechanic is a good idea too but im afraid that it'll not enough

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That's why growling dinos that are stressed by overpack could be interessting

paper oriole
barren zephyr
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lemme see

paper oriole
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a compy would body him effortlessly

barren zephyr
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Lemme see

paper oriole
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i showed a size pic right there lol

barren zephyr
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I think that's a Preondactylus

paper oriole
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the link title says Fenghuangopterus

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he's a foot long and three feet wingspan'

barren zephyr
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Well, it'd be a tiny tier
Another possible flier or a feather forest glider could have it for lunch in the possible future

paper oriole
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don't think this thing qualifies as lunch for anybody, more like a potato chip

urban flax
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What the hell is that name
I know dinos have weird names, but this one

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It literally means "winged phoenix"

barren zephyr
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Then a potato chip it is

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You may upsize it a bit so a Herrara could have a filling dinner if it sneakily manages to catch it.

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Or if an ignorant player gets too comfortable around Ptera's or Quetz's

paper oriole
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if you upsized it enough to be filling for herrera it would be a totally diff animal at that point lol

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he's cute and all but should they really drop several thousand dollars making a tiny ptero that eats bugs and is worth so little himself people won't bother hunting him out of anything but spite

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because spite is enough for isle players after all, but maybe go for something bigger

barren zephyr
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I think they could fictionalize it enough to fill its role and be enough for a prey item
It'd still be that dinosaur, just larger. Enough to for an emergency meal, or a decent one for a small tier.
And it would actively participate in several interactions (Even apex interactions, possibly all of the mid/psuedo tier roster as well) enough to justify its inclusion
As well as opening up fruits, insect play
It participates interaction with tree climbers, gliders, semi scavenging, mid-apex carni interactions and herd interactions.

urban flax
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I'm not against the idea of a fruit-eating flyer, but why this pterosaur in particular ? Why not any other better known and larger pterosaur instead ?

barren zephyr
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It doesnt have to strictly be this one
As long as its a small tailed Ptero who would occupy this niche and all of these interactions
As well being vibrantly colored

urban flax
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hmm okay

barren zephyr
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@still raptor maybe put the links to their suggestion?

still raptor
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will do

barren zephyr
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Thinking about it
I like my suggestion now
It would have a positive relationship for carnis who are fresh after eating its kill, almost every mid to larger dinosaurs who may be sick or healing. Making it generally liked or appreciated by others and packs/herds in the ecosystem, while being actively preyed by other fliers, or other smalls, tree climbers who's benefits do not apply to.

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It would have a lot to do and interact with, likely more so than Ptera or Quetz

paper oriole
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idk how its relationship with carnis would be positive as far as kills go. compy already fills the roll of a tiny scavenger. if they added mites and ticks that harrass large animals for Feng to clean then it would pose the issue of being punished if you don't have one around, which is also not a good thing

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like idk maybe eventually they'll add a paper bag sized flyer but just my opinion that it isnt worth the thousands of dollars. but hey they wasted thousands on magy so anything is possible

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snail slow theri just doesnt seem right

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it doesnt need to be that slow to be a defensive animal

barren zephyr
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It'd be positive since it'd add affinity for those carni's having cleaned teeth
And I wouldn't add mites or ticks to punish everything else for this addition, if players are sick and recovering having one clean you would provide bonuses and affinity also. So we have a dinosaur positively interacting with a good portion of the playables with mutual benefits

hybrid matrix
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well originally the force of each attack was (in order) 500, 750, 1.3k, and then i realized that its way too strong so i made it be wut it is now

elder rivet
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@hybrid matrix that theri would be underpowered, going at a snail's pace and having to swipe 3 times even if it keeps swiping over and over(the savage turkey thing) to kill a carno would be horrible for it, and it's health should equal it's weight and also it should have way more health since it's supposed to be a pseudo-apex

hybrid matrix
elder rivet
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The Best theri would be legacy theri, except without it running down everything except for utahs carnos and herreras

hybrid matrix
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hence why i made it so slow

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Guys is it too strong? too weak? too heavy? too fast? too slow?? help me out

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@deft magnet what exactly is op? what should i change?

hybrid matrix
deft magnet
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i think the 1K N should be reduced but deal more bleed imo

hybrid matrix
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ok

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reduced to wut

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it should still be able to 1shot medium sized dinos

paper oriole
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with only 3k health i feel he would be demolished by apex pairs who could easily keep range and swap out while the theri has no means of escape, he's kinda a tough one to balance without making him utterly pathetic as an attacker lol

hybrid matrix
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yea

paper oriole
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if he was like current giga with a great trot he could outpace ambushers like rex from a distance (assuming rex remains a low stam speed machine for ambushing) maybe he could work but thats all i can really think of off the top of my head

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great trot, subpar or average run so he can't run down allos and slice and dice in a murder spree

hybrid matrix
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^

paper oriole
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and the issue giga has with tracking things across the map wouldnt be there since theri cant sniffwalk for footprints

hybrid matrix
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the theri im describing is the thing that can kill u very easily if u attack it, but not if u run away

paper oriole
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yea he should def be defensive, but he should be able to escape as well being a glass cannon

hybrid matrix
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so wut should i change it to

paper oriole
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idk it could keep a bad running speed but up its trot to make it a great endurance traveler that can escape faster preds like rex from a distance by beating its stam perhaps. not sure how new giga, spino or acro will function as far as stam goes either so it'd a bit hard to say how the legacy giga mobility would suit theri in evrima

hybrid matrix
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and wut about health and weight

paper oriole
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it definitely doesn't look tanky so i'd personally drop him at 4.5t which is close to its upper estimate with a bit less hp than his weight around 4k like you have it. just my personal opinion tho

hybrid matrix
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ok

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and the attacks?

paper oriole
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they seem fine tbh, makes him a bitch to heal after killing and rewards proper ambushing gameplay from apexes to avoid that

hybrid matrix
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👍

paper oriole
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since his neck is such a good grab spot it would def be something you should ambush rather than chasing down openly

elder rivet
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certainly it has been made better in regards to it's damage, however i still think his speed is too little. Trikes are faster, and also have twice as much health as the theri you suggested. I'd say you'd say something like "oh he's X% slower/faster than apexes" because we don't yet know if the speed of apexes is going to change. a good amount of speed in my opinion would be like 3 or 4 km slower than rex, that way it can be like legacy giga in terms of escaping where even though rex was faster, it was still hard to not lose stam while chasing gigas, and it should also have good agility to juke gigas and slowly kill them, by landing multiple hits.

hybrid matrix
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so 30 kph?

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speaking of agility i forgot about the turn

paper oriole
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with how fast the things popping up so far have been 30kmh probably wouldnt hurt tho we dont know spino or giga's speeds yet

hybrid matrix
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although, stego is 25kph at full adult

paper oriole
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mainly as long as he cant chase down mid tiers he should be fine though, and i doubt we'll have such slow preds in that tier

hybrid matrix
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also just looking at theri u can tell it wasnt built for speed so idk y it was so fast in legacy

paper oriole
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yea he def doesnt look like a sprinter

elder rivet
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we don't know yet if the speed of rexes will change, like we don't know if it will be like stego or if it will have it's speed increased by a lot to keep up with the current roster. So instead of making it be a specific speed number like 30 or 29, make it be a specific number below rexes, that way if rex is at 36kmph when he comes to evrima theri is at 33 or 32

paper oriole
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legacy giga's mobility copypasted onto him doesn't look bad imo from how the rest of the roster looks so far, but of course things can (and probably will) change

hybrid matrix
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ima just put the speed as "slower than a rex"

paper oriole
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or keep it as an endurance traveler who is too slow to chase up on mid tiers, since we don't know if rex is also going endurance or staying ambush

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so just not too fast for mid tiers to escape

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which is a pretty big priority in his balance that we can know as a solid

hybrid matrix
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ok so i think a good prediction for allo's speed is probably a little slower than teno's

deep jetty
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@zenith onyx did you just put an x because i posted right after yours, or do you have a good reason?

zenith onyx
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i did it becuase i don't agree with it

deep jetty
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why exactly? do you think thered be a better way to control packs?

zenith onyx
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at least the way you described it. or how it could work.

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I don't think it should impact smaller dinos, but rather the bigger dinos

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it would encourage apexes or slightly smaller to stay separate or stay in small packs.

deep jetty
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i did mean the debuff should be determined by numbers & what the dino is. one utah extra in a utah pack wouldnt give too bad a debuff, but one extra rex would give a way worse debuff

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smaller dinos made to pack wouldnt really be affected too badly, but bigger ones & solitary ones will

zenith onyx
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I mean like the debuff would mainly impact the apex, rather then the low tier. mid tier, high tier ect

paper oriole
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artificial buffs against certain enemies is a nothanks

zenith onyx
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alright u took that suggestion wrong

deep jetty
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i think it should impact any dino that would have small groups, like carnos shouldnt really be in packs over 3 adults

zenith onyx
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that seems right

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@paper oriole he meant that if a pack overpacks, the apexes, high mid tiers, should be effected by it the most, or in some cases, lets say theres 15 utahs when there should be only 6-8 (supposedly) the whole pack would start to suffer after a certain period of time

paper oriole
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oh no i meant the allo against sauropods suggesiton

zenith onyx
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im confused as to "artificail buffs."

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and what that means

paper oriole
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giving allo, acro, or giga (the sauropod killer trio) an artificial buff against sauropods is a bit lazy and kinda just screws sauropod players by giving their hunters a free boost

deep jetty
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yea buffs for hunting seem kinda bad, unless its smth like less food drain or stamina drain

paper oriole
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like making them deal free bonus damage against that group doesnt feel natural, it is artificial

zenith onyx
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its like legacy with counters. certain dinos just counter others when faced up agains them

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I'm saying that allos stats should mimic that, being the upper hand of the fight

deep jetty
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yea, but thats due to stats & not buffs, having buffs would just give one a very unfair advantage

zenith onyx
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bingo

paper oriole
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if the devs want the allosaur family to prefer sauropods they can figure out a way to make them better with mechanics in their attacks, not extra damage vs that group

deep jetty
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^

zenith onyx
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i never said extra damagae

paper oriole
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"a buff while fighting/killing" sounds like it

deep jetty
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an advantage buff usually means dmg

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not really any other way to give smth an advantage without giving it extra dmg with a buff

paper oriole
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if they receive a buff while fighting a sauropod, that is an artificial buff like they deal more damage to sauros by default than other animals

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if they give sauros and allosaurs mechanics that pair well together, actual mechanics not stat twisting, then it can work great

zenith onyx
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well, they did hunt sauropods as their main source of food

paper oriole
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yeah but they didnt magically bite harder or slash harder when fighting a sauropod

zenith onyx
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just like rex hunted small game that was usually slower then it was.

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and remember the stat and weight system in Evrima

paper oriole
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rex evolved to annihilate bone and armour

zenith onyx
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Im saying that Allo should be specailized in hunting sauropods

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like a counter species

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like cerato does for allo

paper oriole
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figure out some mechanics that would make that so maybe

deep jetty
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you also have to remind yourself that this is in a game where multiple creatures from different environments were put together. with gigas & acros also being sauropod hunters, allo would have better chances hunting the smaller tiers since theres so many in one environment

zenith onyx
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its supposed to trash creatures like magy anyway, im just suggesting it do it more.

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to small sauropods anyway

paper oriole
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magy is probably gonna get trashed by anything bigger than a cera

zenith onyx
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so

deep jetty
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magy yea allo can hunt easily, except that magy is gonna have a debuff when you eat it

paper oriole
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giving allo even more of an advantage would just make magy totally useless, though it already looks that way

zenith onyx
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when was that anounced in the official streams

paper oriole
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a debuff for eating magy won't save it from KOSers

zenith onyx
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that it was going to be poisonous/deadly to eat?

icy lion
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trello says it "tastes bad"

deep jetty
zenith onyx
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and Buff, people Ko anyway

dire ridge
zenith onyx
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and don't eat the bodies they leave behind

paper oriole
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thats what im saying

deep jetty
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imo itd be a better idea to just give magy a poison dart frog niche.

icy lion
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its releasing with cerato so presumably yes

zenith onyx
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it happens in legacy to anyone

paper oriole
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magy's little 'protection' won't do him any good, he is going to get wiped on sight even by other herbis like me

zenith onyx
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I had a rex i'd fully grown and someone killed me and didn't eat the body.

paper oriole
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but back to allo, how would you make him better at killing sauropods without a flat damage or other stat boost?

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yeah and ive had gallis kos me as a juvie diablo and so on, people in the isle kill because they want to not because theyre hungry lol

deep jetty
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all i can see is maybe a speed or stamina boost, but thats kinda useless with hunting a slow big thing

dire ridge
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allo will be a grappler right ?

keen sparrow
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@zenith onyx I don’t think causing food to drain faster would help with overpacking

deep jetty
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yes itll have grapple

dire ridge
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there you go

paper oriole
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yeah allo is getting grapple, not sure about his two buddies giga and acro tho

zenith onyx
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counter stats, build allos stats around being counters toward sauropods. Like sauropods are "usually" slow, and so would be a threat already

keen sparrow
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That would just make the pack kill more to stay alive

hybrid matrix
dire ridge
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no need to make something with the stat

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only a mechanic for it will do the trick i think

paper oriole
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i kill if i dont like their skin or if theyre an apex or utah lol dont need much to provoke me

zenith onyx
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Vek rex was planned to trash giga

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acro was planned to be trashed by giga

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its already in the stats

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certain dinos are meant to trash certain dinos

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but ima go do something else before i get sucked into a void

paper oriole
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rex was planned to cripple other large animals because thats what it eats, giga just happens to be there

dire ridge
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where talking about allo vs sauropod (like brach and such right ?)

deep jetty
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but stats will change, everything will in evrima, maybe giga & rex will be generally equals

dire ridge
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why talking about rex and giga ?

paper oriole
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he was comparing apparent counters in stats

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like rex being designed to kill giga, dont think thats the case though its just coincidence as its designed to cripple things in general

dire ridge
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counter stats ? imo if allo encounter one of them= instant flee

paper oriole
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allosaurs already somewhat counter sauropods (just cama i guess) in legacy by being able to tank hits and bleed them out, it is already better at killing cama than rex

dire ridge
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but Allo can pack up to take down sauropod if i'm not mistaken

paper oriole
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i'd assume theyd be bleed based in ev too

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yeah a giga vs cama will always be in the giga's favour unless the giga is dumb and impatient atm

dire ridge
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Allo ? of course, their jaws are a hecking serrated guillotine

paper oriole
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so i'd assume while sauropod legs are hard to break for crushers like rex, and rex not dealing a lot of bleed, that will be how allos take them down better than rex

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so unless their mechanics change drastically they already have an advantage

dire ridge
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i agree

paper oriole
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not an artificial one either, they just deal good bleed and that's good for killing slow shit

dire ridge
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yup

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On another note, i would really like another section in the discord to talk about feature/dinos that are not in the current version

paper oriole
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like dinos you'd like to see in the game that aren't planned, trying to find a good spot for them?

dire ridge
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because everything is mixed here

deep jetty
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#401464048610312195 is where i see most suggest dinos & features without making an essay in feedback, plus people can talk about it in the channel instead of moving to another channel

elder rivet
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We don't need to give sauropod hunters a boost. Just dealing large amounts of bleed already makes them perfect for killing sauropods

paper oriole
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ye exactly

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they already have a boost in legacy and itll probably translate over to ev

dire ridge
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Talking about Giga for evrima in the "feedBACK" section sounds wrong for me

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he's not even on the trello xD

deep jetty
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true, really the channel should be called general-suggestion since thats what it is

icy lion
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"Post feedback and suggestions for things you'd like to see in the game or discord here"

paper oriole
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i hate that they merged the feedback and suggestions channels lol

icy lion
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there used to be a separate channel for suggestions but it apparently became difficult to moderate both at once

dire ridge
icy lion
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so now theyre sadly merged

paper oriole
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esp since suggestions are now also buried under complaints/praising every time something new is revealed

dire ridge
paper oriole
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there used to be a LOT of diff channels but they removed them

icy lion
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both were used extensively, meaning both needed mods extensively

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yea there was a ton of stuff trimmed

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there used to be an offtopic art channel believe it or not

dire ridge
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but in the end, that's the same thing now... right ?

paper oriole
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but if those were hard idk why they split feedback into balance, ai, general anyway since it ended up not cutting down on the number in that section

dire ridge
icy lion
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it allows for more specialized feedback especially since qa likes to monitor these to see what the community thinks

deep jetty
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really they should all just be general feedback, cause its hard to know if something should go in ai or balance or just general

icy lion
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as opposed to every single type of feedback being shoved in one channel

dire ridge
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Personnaly i would still love a channel of feedback for the CURRENT version of evrima

icy lion
paper oriole
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now general feedback is a mess now tho since suggestions and feedback are squished together in some chaos casserole and things are buried under "good job guys" and "i hate this game omg" so it is a bit frustrating sometimes for people putting in their hard-thought out suggestions

dire ridge
icy lion
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ai feedback is also meant to be solely feedback and not suggestions, but since theres barely anything going on ai wise its turned to both, which is alright for now

barren zephyr
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and Willow to XD
@queen mortar

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also, muffling voices live isn't a hard thing to do

That is what things like Voicemod does

distant osprey
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I miss the way the Utah seemed to lay down on legacy when it sat. In evrima when you sit, the Utah actually sit. Just an aesthetic thing tbh.

kindred flare
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well in evrima there's a sit and a sleep, the laying down is for the sleeping animation

barren zephyr
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I mean

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Drinking a lot of water doesn't kill you

Unless you drink to to much, you could drown yourself
But that would be a dumb idea

urban flax
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A human being has to drink 10 litres of water in less than 2 hours to die
So yeah, that's kinda unnecessary to put that mechanic into the Isle

idle ibex
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Might have suggested the exact same thing just though it was voice commands that was said

dire ridge
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@flat crypt that's CLEARLY intended

sonic cloud
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The heal times are fine as they are now if not too fast

flat crypt
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Yeah, healing for what we have right now is ok, but I expect that's largely due to most of the roster being smaller, which generally speaking have better heal. Mostly just making my statement to hope taht heal time for the large dinos isn't abysmal

barren zephyr
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Nah, most heal times are fine, even in Legacy (barring Acro, Spino, Shant and Allo [Shouldnt take hours or heal so rapidly]). This is a survival game, and if you picked a fight where you would be very hurt afterwards, its your fault. Never fight even battles, and if you do, you have to accept the risk that somebody might take the opportunity to kill you. And a survival game should award opportunistic players over reckless ones.

lucid mauve
barren zephyr
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In Evrima I think they will make Apex fights more fleshed out other than turn around eachother and spam bite until one is dead.

flat crypt
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Point is though is that there are unavoidable situations. Players being punished for situations outside of their control is bad game logic. Regardless of whether you put yourself into that situation though, it's a lot more fun when you're not having to hide around and heal for ages.

dire ridge
barren zephyr
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Well there shouldnt be any unavoidable situations in the game. Dinos should be able to run from things they cant fight against, and hold their ground against things they can.

flat crypt
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^ exactly

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But currently with how things are balanced, at least in legacy, they do exist. Evrima to an extent given the spot tenos are in, but evrima is hard to judge on that front given it's so incomplete

dire ridge
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Sometime you'll put yourself in bad situation because "unlucky"

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Legacy is completely fucked up, so yeah in that case, its trash

barren zephyr
dire ridge
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In legacy you can't, in most case, flee. Until you're an adult and even then, it really depends on the match up. Because losing someone in legacy is almost impossible

lucid mauve
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Legacy is incredible well balanced, if the heal was faster you would have drawn out fights and groups could just trade bites and heal up.

hybrid matrix
lucid mauve
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explain ?

barren zephyr
lucid mauve
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Legacy has fast heals ?

barren zephyr
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Allo can literally just attack anything, heal, and repeat until what they are hunting is dead

lucid mauve
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Tell me something he could do that to ? I know what you mean, but thats incredible few dinos.

barren zephyr
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All herbis except Cama or Pue. Suchos and Sub Apexes too. Anything else it can just power through except Apexes.

dire ridge
lucid mauve
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He cant do it to any herbis more or less, sucho can just run him down and never let him heal. Same with sub rexes, they have more or less same speed/stam.

barren zephyr
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You have not encountered a good Allo pack yet.

lucid mauve
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An allo pack yes, im talking about 1v1

lucid mauve
barren zephyr
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Well yea in a 1v1 Allo cant shred though things bigger than it. But just in a pack of 3 it can.

barren zephyr
lucid mauve
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Give me and example of what it can shred ? i dont see it. I also have 1k hours

barren zephyr
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I told you, almost all herbis and all carnivores except Giga and Spino.

lucid mauve
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Ofcourse skill wise it can, a bad sucho can easly loose to a good allo

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Well then you have never met any good herbs or carnis

barren zephyr
rocky aspen
lucid mauve
barren zephyr
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@fervent fable you can aim pretty easily, you just have to angle your camera correctly

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I think having crosshairs or smth would make it a little too easy

paper oriole
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No thanks to apexes/large animals destroying burrows. There's really no good reason for that aside from griefing small tiers who large animals would gain very little food off of so they shouldnt even be bothering

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Also burrows being destroyed by noises TI_Yikes

urban flax
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Don't ever make a burrow near a Utah RPing spot.

paper oriole
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Also wasn't dryo losing its burrowing ability or did they double back on that

urban flax
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People think dryo is getting burrowing again because Filipe used it to test his burrow concept

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But I don't remember devs stating it will burrow

strange wave
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its not likely, dryo was just the test bed for the concept

unreal ridge
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we're using dryo as a baseline example since it was known to burrow before evrima and will likely burrow after and if not we have other burrowers like potentially fucking avaceratops , a creature the size of a bull

versed zodiac
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@flat crypt animals take advantage of victores of fights tons of times. its common sense to take down an opponent that is weakend and could pose a threat to you. you should consider if fighting is a good choice especially when your alone.

grim mason
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From "Wheres the hypsi" to "Where the hell is it now?"

hybrid matrix
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well hey at least u can see where ur goin

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but u should still be able to zoom in to the same spot

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right above the hypsi

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bc that actually makes it easier to run thru dense jungles

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for me at least

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it gets to the point where the camera is so low down that its easier to just look under the plants than to try and look over them

cobalt compass
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@solar salmon why expanding the camera angle? hypsi is a very small animal.

solar salmon
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Yes but it is very hard to see anything atm when playing hypsi, you just run around wondering where you're going

cobalt compass
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elevated positions are the things you should seek for

solar salmon
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I still think it needs to have a better angle

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really annoying not seeing anything

blissful wren
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@fathom canopy why are you like this

severe idol
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@dreamy wharf
Hey. Let's refrain from using the reaction system to be a tosspot where possible, please. Spelling out a call to arms is distasteful.

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@barren zephyr
"Muted Feedback role"? Could you elaborate?

icy lion
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like an ro that only applies to the feedback channels

barren zephyr
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It was more so a suggestion relating to the one above mine, a Feedback muted role.

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So people who post memes or something get feedback muted.

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Since it isn't directly feedback.

dreamy wharf
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Tosspot: a heavy drinker. TI_Wheeze

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It's essentially just the muted role, but, strictly for the feedback channel for users who repeatedly shitpost in there.

barren zephyr
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Alongside posting repetitive suggestions.

dreamy wharf
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I don't feel repetitive suggestions should earn someone getting perma muted in feedback, it's just too tedious and somewhat nebulous.

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Because you could just say X suggestion sounds like Y suggestion, and that shouldn't really get anyone muted. They're similar, but, there's no harm in it.

barren zephyr
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If they misuse the channel to shitpost, post things not related to feedback, or discuss other suggestions there after being told numerous times that there is a discussion channel.

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Not repetitive suggestions, I mean it more as like suggestion spam.

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You are right though.

severe idol
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Selectively removing someone's ability to add feedback or post their opinions goes against one of the core tenants of the Discord.

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Global muting or banning works just fine.

barren zephyr
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Understandable.

dapper pulsar
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RIP

strange wave
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@elder rivet fun fact, they arent delayed...

hybrid matrix
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D:

keen sparrow
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No one wants babies with unique abilities TI_Derp

urban flax
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How the hell should a baby beipi swim faster than an adult ? Being easy prey is the purpose of babies. Apart grom being cute.

keen sparrow
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I was just using that as an example

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And solely being prey isn’t really fun either

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Which is why I think babies having an ability of their own is good too

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It would make them viable and not just food for everyone

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Yea they’ll still be partly helpless, but at least they’re not just worthless

urban flax
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That's why they need parents to protect them

paper oriole
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They aren't worthless, they’re delicious.

keen sparrow
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That too lmao

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And if they can find parents

urban flax
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Once nesting update comes they won't have to find parents

keen sparrow
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Will nesting be the only way to spawn tho?

urban flax
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You'll probably not spawn as a baby if you're not nested, like in legacy

keen sparrow
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But lots of the babies in legacy are easy food too lmao

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They can’t do anything to fight back if somethings trying to eat them

urban flax
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But that makes sense

keen sparrow
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For some animals, yea it does

urban flax
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Most babies are easy food irl

keen sparrow
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Yea ik

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But there’s others that actually have defense

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And it’s usually the ones that aren’t born with parental care

paper oriole
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I cant wait to eat small nesters in front of their babies who are helpless to run away before i eat them too

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Dont give them the ability to flee

keen sparrow
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I mean it would just be that every baby is stupid fast

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Like a baby albatross can spit at an enemy

urban flax
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But in the Isle I think that ALL babies are going to be born ith parental care
That's the point of nesting in the game

keen sparrow
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Or there’s that one funky bird that has babies with claws so they can climb

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Yea but my point is that nesting isn’t the only way to spawn

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What if I don’t wanna grow up from a newborn bebe

urban flax
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If there are species later on that are designed for leaving their babies alone, then ok, they could have special abilities

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But not every dino

keen sparrow
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Yea that’s kinda what I was saying

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I should’ve specified

urban flax
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Then you should state in your suggestion that you're talking only about some specific species, and not all of them.

keen sparrow
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But that’s for the devs to decide which ones would actually have the abilities

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Yea I’ll change it

paper oriole
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Beipiao is shown caring for its babies in its concept sheet so it wouldnt be among that group probably

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But you have it listed

keen sparrow
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Yea it was just an example

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Didn’t realize the concept shows that

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Woops

paper oriole
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There was something showing it defending its babies from an ovi too

keen sparrow
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And I also think there can be exceptions to the rule that only babies that don’t get cared for can have abilities

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I mean it would be cool in my opinion if the babies had small things to help them survive

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It would make things more interesting

urban flax
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Or less, because that would break the protection bond they have with their parents, since they on't need to

keen sparrow
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Like I said

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Don’t make it Oo

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Op*

urban flax
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There is a part of fun in being a defenseless animal that screams for the help of its parents every time it sees something slightly unusual, and it's fun for parents too to care about that little larva and try to grow it up, despite the fact it always attracts predators with its screams

keen sparrow
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Yea I agree

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I’m not saying a baby oviraptor should be able to fend off against a spino lmao

urban flax
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And on another hand, it's quite a hassle to develop abilities for animals that players wont get to play for more than 30 minutes in their dino's life

keen sparrow
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Maybe it pitifully spits in its eyes or something and tries to run away

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Yea I agree but it’s also one of the first experiences players have playing the game

paper oriole
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A baby ovi couldnt even reach a spinos eyes lol

keen sparrow
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Lmao

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Spit on his toes

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Get him angry

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My point is that babies shouldn’t be 100% defenseless

paper oriole
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As a baby you just friendly call and hope their heart is stronger than their stomach

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Works about 40% of the time in legacy at least

keen sparrow
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And the other 60% ur ded

paper oriole
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Yep pretty much

urban flax
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40% chances of surviving a predator just by friendly calling is already a lot

wise delta
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That’s why you play bush simulator as baby

keen sparrow
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But bush sim isn’t fun lol

wise delta
keen sparrow
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Ai doesn’t have a heart

paper oriole
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In ev its pretty easy to lose attackers in the underbrush as something small too

urban flax
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But even if you have a special ability, you don't want to be caught anyway, so it'd still be bush simulator

wise delta
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Perhaps when diets are added babies will also need certain requirements, this will make it so that babies also have an active gameplay

keen sparrow
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And activity will lead to you getting found

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And the moment you get found by a hungry carni as a baby

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Ur dead

wise delta
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So? That’s part of life. Not all baby survives

keen sparrow
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I’m not saying all babies should be op and survive to adult because of their abilities lmao

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Just that they should have some form of defense to give them a chance against their attacker

wise delta
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Yeah but the survive against death ratio is higher otherwise you wouldn’t see adult

keen sparrow
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And it wouldn’t be all babies either

wise delta
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If babies should have any defense it would be more like a dodge/dive perhaps. Relies to the dinosaur

keen sparrow
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I mean you really wouldn’t be able to know that unless baby abilities are added

paper oriole
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Your defense is your own caution because its a bitch to find tiny animals in the forested and heavily planted areas

urban flax
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And your parents

wise delta
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And usually when a Carni sees some really small footsteps when smelling they won’t go after it cause it isn’t worth it. Unless your dumb and 1 calling all the time as a Carno

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Then you get killed yes

keen sparrow
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But your own caution leads to bush growing and a pretty boring play through since you can’t rly do anything as a baby except hide and eat

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If you don’t find parents

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Playing with other ppl is always fun

paper oriole
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Depends on the species really

wise delta
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You don’t have to sit in a bush as baby. I run around bite some ankles eat and drink and grow eventually

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How you survive is your own choice you can make it as exciting/boring as you want.

paper oriole
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As a slow bastard like legacy trike juvie yes its boring af, meanwhile on baby dryo and carno it is much more fun to dodge danger

keen sparrow
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Yea that’s true

paper oriole
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Well not evrima dryo juvie tho its trash too

keen sparrow
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But minimi doesn’t look too fast...

wise delta
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Yeah go ahead if you wanna sit in a bush but instead you could have fun and run around maybe even explore a bit

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Minmi was aquatic based right?

keen sparrow
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Yea

wise delta
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So it is logical it isn’t to fast on land

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  • they’ll likely have some burrows around rivers and the river itself to get away
keen sparrow
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Yea I guess

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I mean u could also use bb steg as an example

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It can impale as a baby

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So it can defend itself against other bb carnis

wise delta
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Yup baby stego can hurt like a train if you don’t hear it as baby Carno xD

keen sparrow
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Yea exactly lmao

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It can defend itself

wise delta
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Baby Carno also has its ram

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But baby utah has speed and agility

paper oriole
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Baby steg is a free snack to adults tho with his (lack of) mobility but i guess thats life

keen sparrow
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But yet u always see them with adults cuz it’s not strong enough to fight a fully grown carno

wise delta
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And is basically not worth chasing

keen sparrow
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Yea bb steg should be slow

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Don’t make it Utah speed lol

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I guess I’m also kinda basing it on the babies from legacy since most of the ones in evrima have abilities kinda

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Except dryo

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But it’ll probably have its burrow

wise delta
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Well dryo has speed, trust me I never chase baby dryo’s its so not worth it

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Moment they are near trees I give up

keen sparrow
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They probably wouldn’t give any food either lol

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And juvi steg is actually viable too

wise delta
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Rn the trees and foillage is good enough to get away if you keep an eye out for oncoming danger

keen sparrow
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I fended off an adult Utah as one and he ran off like a wimp

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Anyway I guess I’m just hoping they continue with the trend of baby abilities like they’ve done in evrima

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Not too powerful and still a tasty snack for adults

cobalt compass
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@thorny crag a deaf mode is exceptionally hard to balance in a survival game like the Isle. unlikely it will make it into the game. non-deaf could get an advantage over other that dont use it. BUT if with activating "Deaf-mode" your game becomes muted in all ways, i'd see it plausible

warped harbor
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@signal saddle #general-feedback is for feedback, not discussions or reactions to suggestions. You can use this channel instead if you want to say something regarding a suggestion.

signal saddle
warped harbor
signal saddle
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yes
i send the gif there so idk what the problem is

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it was a feedback as a gif to show that i think the game is rly cool

warped harbor
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You should be more specific about what you're leaving feedback about, then

signal saddle
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incase i send that here sry then my bad i wanted to send it there

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welllllllll
for me it was pretty clear but yeah :D

warped harbor
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It's alright, just make sure people can more easily understand what you're talking about, because a gif with a thumbs up is pretty vague

signal saddle
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will do so next time

signal saddle
thorny crag
cobalt compass
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would still be a tricky thing imo, i bet there are apps that let you override audio for certain other apps/games to get an advantage

languid crown
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you all got no taste smh

meager tiger
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"let beipi belly slide on mud like a penguin on ice"
@languid crown
Just no.

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i feel like it would be hella abused

languid crown
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how?

urban flax
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Personally I rather feel like it'd look stupid. Penguins have fins instead of arms, and they have very short legs. This is why they are able to slide on their bellies. Beipi has long arms with long claws and long legs. It's totally not fitted for sliding on its belly.

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And mud isn't as good for sliding as ice.

hushed shadow
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i'd personally love to see beipis enter the water by sliding in over the mud but yeah, i get you

languid crown
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it tucks its arms up already when it runs

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so i dont think they are a problem

paper geyser
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i feel like it would just look stupid

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doesnt look like its limbs are made to flip all the way back like a penguin

hybrid matrix
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i just wanna point out that somebody actually ❌ed a suggestion for a way to accommodate deaf ppl

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what

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the

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fuck

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seriously

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wtf

urban flax
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That's because it can be abused
Putting accommodations for deaf people is super hard in pvp games

dire ridge
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probably because some people will abuse it

urban flax
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I didn't put a ✅ either because I like the idea, but I really don't think it can be implemented in a fair way

dire ridge
hybrid matrix
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how would u abuse it in a different way than you would abuse ur ears??

vestal hound
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I get its hard to balance and abusable or whatever. But devs need to think about this kind of stuff too. Like customisable footstep colors for colorblind people

urban flax
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Instantly recognize and pinpoint any sound, even one that you haven't noticed

dire ridge
lilac swallow
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Its much easier reading "small animal footsteps" than actually hearing them

urban flax
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I played minecraft with subtitles enabled once, and it's like having super-senses. Even though it didn't indicate any sound that I couldn't hear, the sheer fact that it marks what I was hearing gave a lot of information, that combined with the fact I DO hear it, it made a huge difference

dire ridge
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that's why its hard to balance, people that aren't deaf will use it to help them.

urban flax
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If activating hearing assistance disables sound, then why not, but it may hinder people who just have bad hearing.

barren zephyr
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Well it can be abused, but yet again most non-disabled people won't be really bothered to use it.

hybrid matrix
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rq if i have a suggestion for the discord, where do i put that

urban flax
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in general feedback I think

hybrid matrix
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ok

dire ridge
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@cosmic lake Crouch make your dino completely silent and allow you to move without making any footprint

barren zephyr
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Yes, subtitles can be abused, but most people probably won't use them that much (though TI's community do appear to be a bunch of weasels who want to make the most out of any unfair opportunity).

dire ridge
hybrid matrix
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mhm

urban flax
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lowering graphics to see through vegetation 😛

barren zephyr
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Yeah that exists, but I haven't heard of many people doing that.

hybrid matrix
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i tried gamma once but it wasnt that great, once it became day i got blinded so that was the only time i used it

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also its annoying to set up on my computer

barren zephyr
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So if people aren't exactly bothered to do that most of the time, nor would subtitle abuse be an incredibly prevalent issue.

hybrid matrix
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esecially since i was a subgiga

dire ridge
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When the night vision update come i hope that gamma will be properly blocked, like on hunt showdown

urban flax
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Balancing a game for PC is a pain
That's not like consoles that all have the same specs and don't need graphic options

dire ridge
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@maiden anvil then they will only choose the gender with the smallest hitbox, like some player chose female utah because it doesn't have the yellow marking

elder rivet
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@maiden anvil It might confuse some people and make them think that a dinosaur is stronger than the other, except the "stronger" one is just a female

hybrid matrix
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If sexual dimorphism is added, i think it should just affect things like crests and colors

paper geyser
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agreed

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anything else will just cause unneeded confusion

silver zephyr
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that seems to be the case so far

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thankfully

hybrid matrix
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for example, the new giga concept, the male has the more prominent crests and neck thing
and the female has smoother crests and neck things

vestal rune
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@barren zephyr I agree with this a lot, we need to try as hard as possible to prevent all juvies simply being sit in the bush simulators because they're useless

barren zephyr
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yeah that's the think, we have a notion that juvenile animals are useless because we often think of us or birds when picturing the babies, but in reality most animals are extremely prepared to fight of their lives the first day they're born

vestal rune
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ye I think saurian is a good example of this, young dakotaraptors are slow and weak but they're very manoeuvrable and can climb trees to avoid danger

barren zephyr
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exaclty

vestal rune
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I hope the isle will have a similar thing for most of its animals, a juvie shouldn't necessarily excel but it should have some form of surviving

barren zephyr
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our morphs and development should be as entertaining as Saurian's

hybrid matrix
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rq i wasnt expecting to get an ❌ on my suggestion this early lmao

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i was expecting mostly 🤔

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i mean i knew there would be some ❌ but this is sooner than i thought

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??

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u mean the sexual dimorphism suggestion?

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wdym

dire ridge
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Breaking it's ribs ?

cyan flame
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The wallow Im guessing

hybrid matrix
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yepe

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yep*

dire ridge
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oh ?

hybrid matrix
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u kno the wallowing sound for stego and carno?

cyan flame
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You've never seen the wallow for a grown stego? It does look pretty.. heavy :p

hybrid matrix
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but still, it shouldnt have to crack its ribs just to cover itself in mud

dire ridge
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the sound of carno wallowing is so bugged, you can hear it from so far sometime.

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without being able to pin point it

hybrid matrix
dire ridge
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no

hybrid matrix
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lmao

dire ridge
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xD

vestal rune
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@barren zephyr https://trello.com/b/G5tsb4XI/public-roadmap

Trello

Organize anything, together. Trello is a collaboration tool that organizes your projects into boards. In one glance, know what's being worked on, who's working on what, and where something is in a process.

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here you can see the plans for the next couple updates ahead, one of which will have customizable skins

ashen wasp
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@barren zephyr skin customization is currently planned for Update 8 on the official roadmap, give it a look!!

barren zephyr
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😍 YAY ! Thank you guys!

hybrid matrix
#

also if u rlly wanna migrate then maybe go explore the map and dont just sit at center swamp or smthn. migrating isnt going to a specific spot to just sit there, its moving around the map

barren zephyr
hybrid matrix
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did u mudroll?

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wut were u

barren zephyr
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When i said 'migrating to Evrima' i was refering to 'stop playing Legacy and only play Evrima'

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Mudroll stays for a few minutes, so we always had to go again, very hard to chill in Evrima, the survival aspect is really increased compared to Legacy

hybrid matrix
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thats the point

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also if u mudroll and then sit in a rlly good spot, then u dont have to mudroll again bc nobody would be able to track u to the spot if u wallowed

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u can just sit there and wait until u need to eat just like in legacy

quartz lantern
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I have to say the 'sit and chill' aspect isn't what the isle is about. It's a survival game by nature and expecting the game to be a chill game is expecting oil to mix with water on this one.

hybrid matrix
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also, thats my problem with hotspots

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for example, great falls

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cant wait for diets

barren zephyr
hybrid matrix
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...

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the whole point of a survival game

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is not to chill

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its good that u cant sit and chill, it means that the game is working the way it should

quartz lantern
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@barren zephyr that's the thing. This is a survival game. If you want a game to sit and chill in, this isn't it. This is a go eat, drink, and survive. Not sit and wait for death to come because you want to sit and chill. I'd recommend using vr chat for something like that.

barren zephyr
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Ok this is not a debate. So i'm leaving this conversation.

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Stop.

hybrid matrix
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???

barren zephyr
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Why do you guys feel the need to debate lol...

quartz lantern
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We are discussing your feedback

barren zephyr
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I got my answer thank you.

hybrid matrix
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if u post feedback then expect ppl to talk about it

quartz lantern
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I'm just telling you this isnt the game for 'sit and chill''

dire ridge
hybrid matrix
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ur not supposed to sit and chill in the first place tho

still raptor
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Also Evrima will be a entirely different game than Legacy.

barren zephyr
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I did not know feedbacks would bring regular-players to impose their ideas on me. I wont propose anything again don't worry. And after 10 same answers i think i pretty much understand your point of views. You can stop now ...

paper oriole
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lol

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Thats the point of feedback DISCUSSION

still raptor
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It's not that we're imposing you on your ideas. We're trying to correct you and tell you what this game will eventually be. If anything your imposing your ideas on us.

cyan flame
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Considering there'll be all sorts of server settings for private servers + sandbox mode eventually again hopefully, I'm sure you'll find a server that's sufficiently chill to play on

barren zephyr
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Yes, but you guys keep repeating the same thing over and over again, we get it. Move on.

tepid gate
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In general if you want to chill you need to be fully grown - herbivores in Evrima are absolute fodder if noticed by an adult carnivore

paper oriole
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Then you move on

cyan flame
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Won't be officials, but no doubt you'll have chill servers too

still raptor
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It seems that you yourself do not handle criticism very kindly Vayla.

dire ridge
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@barren zephyr, if you want to hide, you're not supposed to do it by sitting. Sit is for resting, resting is by definition risky. So sitting need to be PROPERLY done

tepid gate
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If you're in a pack of let's say 3 fully grown Stegosaurus you can chill quite easily in Evrima@barren zephyr If you're not fully grown you can be killed with relative ease

barren zephyr
tepid gate
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Herbivores in general are in a really bad state in terms of their survivability(while growing) than the carnivores are, they are much more prone to dying if they get into an unfortunate encounter however this comes with the advantage of not having to interact with other dinosaurs to get food, you can technically just afk in a corner of the map and graze until you're fully grown

cyan flame
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If you get a full herd, you can probably chill pretty okayish, and there's some areas where you can sustain one too, so there's possibilities.

tepid gate
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I can tell you for sure that you can still chill in Evrima, I've seen people do that on multiple occassions

still raptor
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You're not being spammed. This is a public discussion about your feedback. If people want to say something and discuss the flaws and good things about someone's feedback they can. And if you think your being spammed by people, contact an admin or moderator.

tepid gate
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you need a couple of fully grown dinosaurs - Carnos aren't even going to try to touch you if you have a couple of Tenontos and Stegos in your herd

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tenonto throws in a tailslam stunning the Carno and then Stego just takes the Carno out, it's just very risky to approach a herd like that