general-feedback-discussion

[glass mulch]

I mean...

[paper oriole]

Wait so are we on dimetrodon now i am confusion

[glass mulch]

I would like cheirus to be a thing rather than some small tyrannosaur

[edgy hamlet]

^

[paper oriole]

And do you want him to throw drug dust at dinos

[dapper pulsar]

No that's a response to "Deinocheirus is the most unique thing that could be added"

Yes

Cocaine whip

Funny dust

Pixie stick

[paper oriole]

Ok as grand as cocaine wizard would be that is just a bit too scifi

[edgy hamlet]

Deino would certainly have a more unique niche than a small tyrannosaurid but eh

[dapper pulsar]

Yeah

[paper oriole]

Where would he get his different array of drug dusts

[dapper pulsar]

But not Dimetro

[glass mulch]

Dimetro is a fucking mammal

[edgy hamlet]

[paper oriole]

Are synapsids true mammals

[glass mulch]

Well... almost mammal

[dapper pulsar]

It's like a Platypus

[glass mulch]

no it isn't

[left nacelle]

synapsids are reptiles that are like mammals iirc

[dapper pulsar]

Mammal like reptiles

[left nacelle]

A platypus is a mammal that's kinda like a reptile. It's the opposite of a synapsid

[glass mulch]

They are closer to mammals than reptiles but are in a taxanomic grayzone iirc

[left nacelle]

Interesting

[fervent fable]

Dimetro is a mammel?

[dapper pulsar]

Anyway I guess it would find dust at random spawns, maybe in certain environments.

[glass mulch]

Kinda

[paper oriole]

Dimetro would face an even worse version of magy's problem where it is such an unviable animal that you gotta pull some mad shit outta your ass to make it work

[dapper pulsar]

Just make it AI

[fervent fable]

Ah, thought it was
Lizard

[left nacelle]

It's a synapsid. Kinda like a mammal, but not

[dapper pulsar]

Boom

[glass mulch]

Aquatic dimetro

[dapper pulsar]

No need for viability

[edgy hamlet]

Exactly this

[glass mulch]

Having AI for the soul reason to be food is just a stupid fucking idea

[paper oriole]

Flyer dimetro!

[dapper pulsar]

Rare in deep forest

[edgy hamlet]

A whole Dimetro model as Ai? nah thanks

[dapper pulsar]

Where it win

[glass mulch]

Like... it has 0 reasons to exist

[dapper pulsar]

Always win

Lore

[edgy hamlet]

even tho its ai it still costs tons of money, just take already existing dinosaurs lol

[paper oriole]

But why spend thousands on a small rare ai

[dapper pulsar]

Because

Dimetro

[glass mulch]

No determined niche, no deadzone in the ecosystem there and no actual reason except "fUnNY sPiNo dOG gOes bRrRRrr"

[edgy hamlet]

Argument 10/10

[dapper pulsar]

Damn right

4 times now

[paper oriole]

Learn modeling and animation and mod it in so we can eat it

[glass mulch]

There is no reason to have it, no reason for it to be added and no actual playability to it that would encurage or help players

It is just a dumb idea to add it and your arguments make no sense

[dapper pulsar]

What about Dimetro skeletons

[glass mulch]

??? what about them

[edgy hamlet]

but w h y

[dapper pulsar]

They rain from the heavens

[glass mulch]

T-T

[dapper pulsar]

Kill everything

Reset the server

[edgy hamlet]

[paper oriole]

Dimetridon't

[glass mulch]

Look you are doing this thing where you realise that you were wrong and now you are trying to make it seem like you were just making a deliberate joke all along

[valid zephyr]

i mean they're not technically reptiles

[dapper pulsar]

Yeah

But it wasn't recently

[left nacelle]

You're a tiny bit late Frumpkin lol

[edgy hamlet]

he shouldve just gone with "a"

[glass mulch]

yeah

[dapper pulsar]

I started joking about Dimetro a while ago

[valid zephyr]

hey i got slow internet!

[left nacelle]

Lol

[dapper pulsar]

Welcome back to the realm of the living.

[edgy hamlet]

aight was a very sensual discussion, Mirror obviously won

[dapper pulsar]

Also not being viable in the slightest makes Dimetro more unique

5 times

Fuck yeah

[barren zephyr]

Dimetrodon isn't really too much special

[glass mulch]

Mirror is the best at winning arguments

[dapper pulsar]

Damn right

[edgy hamlet]

sure is

[dapper pulsar]

I'm counting this as a sixth

[barren zephyr]

If anything, it's a Megalania, minus the venom and with mammal-like dentition and a sail for display

[edgy hamlet]

shh Mirror already made the devs love dimetro with his beautiful arguments

[dapper pulsar]

Too late

[glass mulch]

Basically; smaller, weaker, uglier and worse megalania

[barren zephyr]

Brontoscorpio would be an interesting addition though

[dapper pulsar]

I wouldn't say uglier

Actually wait

Yeah

[edgy hamlet]

very oogly

[dapper pulsar]

Dimetro ain't ugly, but it ain'y prettier than Mega

[glass mulch]

Dude has an abelisaurid face, reptile body, thicc tail and ugly limbs with a pretty weird sail....

I kinda want a Tegu megalania

[edgy hamlet]

im gonna get hated for this but am i the only one who finds mega ugly too-

[dapper pulsar]

Gila monster megalania

Yes you are

Dork

Loser

Get hated

[edgy hamlet]

his arguments man

[dapper pulsar]

I don't miss

[glass mulch]

chomk lizard

[dapper pulsar]

I always headshot in darts

[safe galleon]

acro reminds me of a gila monster

[edgy hamlet]

if it gets leguan-like designs im a fan but if its just accurate megalania then eh

[dapper pulsar]

Very pretty man

[edgy hamlet]

an ugly boi

[barren zephyr]

Tegu (not a monitor lizard)

[dapper pulsar]

The duality of man

[glass mulch]

Iguana design for mega is cringe

[glass mulch]

I know but damn i want it

[barren zephyr]

Yes, because it's a fucking monitor lizard

[dapper pulsar]

The fuck word wasn't necessary

Don't swear

[barren zephyr]

Dondi's said worse stuff

[glass mulch]

Dondi is dondi

[dapper pulsar]

Yeah but Dondi's banned from the server for swearing

[paper oriole]

bro mirror you called someone a bitch not that far up lol

[glass mulch]

I kinda want them as AI....

[paper oriole]

he can sya fuck

[dapper pulsar]

And you will to if you don't shut the fuck up

[paper oriole]

hey stop fucking swearing there's kids here

[edgy hamlet]

are there..

[dapper pulsar]

I'm a reflection oooooo

[barren zephyr]

Megalania is a modern monitor lizard, taxonomically speaking (Varanus priscus is it's proper scientific name)

[glass mulch]

Pog lizard

[paper oriole]

tegus would be cute ai but i'd feel bad eating them ):

[barren zephyr]

So Megalania is anatomically close to living monitors such as Komodo dragons and lace monitors.

[dapper pulsar]

Add Brookesia micra as AI

Make it fully sentient

[barren zephyr]

Ridiculously tiny chameleon

[glass mulch]

I found an accurate megalania

[dapper pulsar]

I would hug that thing

A Jaragua lizard would be good inspiration for Megalania

They're basically the same

Like a 15% size difference

[edgy hamlet]

this is accurate

[barren zephyr]

Well Brontoscorpio would be a lot more viable as an AI, not to mention giant arthropods are freaky. What makes Brontoscorpio worse is that it's amphibious.

[glass mulch]

...Megalania is like.... 600 - 1010kg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/542776901442338816/787816550085427260/video1.mp4

[barren zephyr]

So that means it can walk on the bottom of a lake or river and also go onto land (preferably during the night to prevent itself dehydrating)

[dapper pulsar]

And the Jaragua lizard is 1/10th a gram

Small difference in weight.

[glass mulch]

I really doubt that

[dapper pulsar]

It's like Tarbo to Rex

Not much

[glass mulch]

It is actually a larger size difference between rex and tarbo so idk... seems pretty close

[dapper pulsar]

There is a 25 atom difference between Tarbo and Rex

[glass mulch]

there is 4 tons between them....

[dapper pulsar]

Bronto would be cool.

I eyeballed it.

[glass mulch]

Tarbo is like... 4900 - 5000kg, Rex is 9200kg

[dapper pulsar]

So like 26 atoms

[glass mulch]

Yeah

[dapper pulsar]

K

Wait Atom is

Not what I meant.

26 molecules apart.

[twin burrow]

....?

[dapper pulsar]

Atoms would be stupid.

Giant arthropod AI in general would be a cool.

Insert suggestion about Arthropleura and Meganeura.

[keen vapor]

@zenith onyx There are servers who allready does this and its damn amazing

[dapper pulsar]

Why do people take my 2 to 4 word arguments seriously

[edgy hamlet]

Because. Im getting better at argumenting

[arctic nimbus]

I don't think giant insects will ever be added. The only reason why insects used to be big in the first place was increased oxygen.

[dapper pulsar]

That's fair.

Going back to Ceratopsids, I do think we should replace at least Ava with something.

[arctic nimbus]

Yeah, and Dibble. I can't see both of them doing anything.

[ashen wasp]

i mean, we're getting Protoceratops

[dapper pulsar]

Trike is a given
Taco is unique
Pachy is unique
And Proto is a given and a pretty solid dino choice.
4 is a good number for 'em.

[barren zephyr]

Avaceratops is just an in-between of Protoceratops and Triceratops, pretty much

[dapper pulsar]

5 is a bit much but could work. I'd rather keep Dibble than Ava.

[glass mulch]

Honsetly we have 6 herbivores hard and soft confirmed

Proto, Taco, Ava, Dibble, Styrac, Pachyrhino and Trike

It can work tbh

2 teeny tiers, 1 dilo sized, 1 cerato sized, 1 carno (ish) sized, 1 sucho sized and 1 rex sized

[dapper pulsar]

I mean, I'm sure they'll all be functional, but I think having that many Ceratopsids is a bit excessive.

[paper oriole]

people will grow apexes on dead servers where their only worry is ai, then move those dinos to populated ones if that is made a possibility

no thanks

[solar salmon]

hmm

yea

that's true

didn't think about that, thank you

[glossy sluice]

Styrac is confirmed? I keep thinking I've found all the dinos going into this, and then keep learning of new ones.

[barren zephyr]

Not properly confirmed.

Well you see, Devs may consider adding stuff, and then players label it as confirmation (while it actually isn't, it's just considering)

[dapper pulsar]

If Styrac's confirmed then the Ceratopsid argument will be pretty great for justifying creatures.

[glossy sluice]

Ah, gotcha.

[zinc anvil]

understand that they cant just add everything to the game it would take way too long

[fervent fable]

"but why not??????? xdddd"

[barren zephyr]

@proud coral #general-feedback message

They already do

[proud coral]

Not from my experience. I mean like you should be able to tell how fresh they are. Right now the scent glow looks the same no matter what

[barren zephyr]

Bilbo I hate you

-ish

The gradient is as fucking visible as it can get Docktor

If you want me to I can get a ss for you later

[barren zephyr]

There’s only one step from hate to love 😳

👉👈

[wanton spire]

I"m new here but I'm excited to see where all this discussion is going to lead in the future!

[urban flax]

@night mountain The idea is cool but that's too much work for just a little detail. And animals most of the time don't show their pain.

[barren zephyr]

Yes

Dinosaurs don't have mobile lips either

I mean if you look at a bird, it doesn't have too many facial expressions

[night mountain]

bary when it falls one centimeter and shatters both of its femurs

[inner hound]

tentacle why

[barren zephyr]

xd

[merry roost]

i kinda like Tentacle's idea about the more hurt you are or severity over time the more unhealthy the dino looks

it displays the health of the dino even more

[barren zephyr]

Well there should probably be yelps or moans of pain

As well as limping.

[merry roost]

that depends on what it is

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

[merry roost]

its more for likethe long lasting effects of a injury

like infections n all that

current isle only has two ways to display your hurt- actually 3 if you include the 4 call

colors dim, cuts and slashes

not as exaggerated as this but it gets the point

being that the worst it gets it looks like it has not sleep for 15 hours straight and been traumatized and beaten

[merry roost]

to the 1 person who put a x on the meat chunk idea pls tell me how are you ok with not having the controllto drag or take meat chunks

[dire ridge]

yeah wtf

[merry roost]

rip theres more XD

[urban flax]

I'm the first to have put an X. I think it's not necessary and I don't see why every dino has to be thrashing around to rip off a meat chunk. I prefer it to remain simple, quick and easy.

As for the different keybinds, the long press/short press idea that comes up quite often is much better in my opinion

[dire ridge]

i agree the trashing is not necessary

[random imp]

you should be able to see the health of a dinosaur by it's color ( if you have washed out colors, or messed up feathers), general body shape ( a hurt/sick dinosaur is usually not that good at hunting so it will be skinnier, more skeletrical) and maybe calls ( weaker/distorted if you are hurt, like howling in pain)

and obviously with a limping animation if you broke your leg or similar

the thing you can do is have it breathe with open mouth if it's sick or badly hurt

but facial expression are just dumb and you won't even notice them

[barren zephyr]

he pogging

[zenith onyx]

lol

[ashen wasp]

Mhm, I like the idea of body language communicating health over facial expressions

Eliminates the need for facial rigs, anyways

[flint root]

Norkyl try not to use excessive amounts of emojis to emphasize they dislike something challenge

[elder rivet]

@barren zephyr shut the fuck up

[cobalt compass]

aye, @barren zephyr a single emote to show disapproval would be still enough

[glacial horizon]

Norkyl always does this lol

[barren zephyr]

@left nacelle hey pal, can you repost your Suggestion again, please?

[left nacelle]

Is it because of the reactions? Sure will do lol

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

There you go. Thanks.

Good suggestion fren

[left nacelle]

Thanks, I was gonna say something about those reactions but I didn't know if people thought I was just being salty or something lol

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, I understand lol

Ehehehehe

[left nacelle]

[night mountain]

yes

[paper oriole]

Fat shield should honestly be a mechanic for a lot of dinos, trading mobility for more health. Maybe acro could he unique in that he doesn't sacrifice mobility for his fat shield

[left nacelle]

@zenith onyx Already planned

[idle needle]

@zenith onyx that's literally just a trike running forward. You can do that in legacy.

All of the footage from the main menu in legacy and evrima was made ingame, not in engine, so it's all doable ingame

Except I think in the evrima menu there's a clip or two from the hope trailer, but that's about it

[left nacelle]

Either way, Trike is already planned to be getting a charge ability

[idle needle]

Very true

[wintry monolith]

Sounds op like here have some hp and Keep runing as usual

[left nacelle]

@zenith onyx That would make Trike's charge ability a lot less unique if all ceratopsians had it

[zenith onyx]

trike has stomp as well

trike is still unique

[left nacelle]

But that's just a regular attack. The charge is a special like utah's pounce and Carno's charge

Plus charging would be pretty useless on protoceratops

[zenith onyx]

proto is meant to run away

not fight

[left nacelle]

Exactly, so why give it a charge

You said all ceratopsians

[zenith onyx]

charge for getting away quickly

it can be used for anything, combat, and escapes

[left nacelle]

But it can just run. Plus it's planned to have a burrowing ability

[zenith onyx]

ur nit picking

[left nacelle]

I'm not trying to

[zenith onyx]

I meant all ceratopsians.

any of them should be able to use

[left nacelle]

Charging for running away wouldn't make much sense imo

[zenith onyx]

wether it helps them in fights or escaping

It would give Creatures like Ava a chance

it would be a universal attack for the ceratops, but each would still have a unique attack that seperates it from the others...

[left nacelle]

But why give them all a generic charge when they can all have their own unique abilities

[wintry monolith]

Trike should have a sharge its dumb not to its stomp is Good too and Will prob hurt you in diffrent ways like if you get horns in ur stomach of stomped into the ground like a rex impaled and Utah stomped

[zenith onyx]

?

that was confusing to read

[left nacelle]

Trike will have a charge

Yeah, needs more punctuation lol

[zenith onyx]

So why can't the others have a charge as well?

[left nacelle]

Cause for one, two of the 5 planned ceratopsians won't even have horns, and two: it makes them a lot more similar to each other

[zenith onyx]

aren't they all related?

[left nacelle]

Yeah but you want them to still be unique

[zenith onyx]

what's wrong with them having similar abilities to defend themselves?

[left nacelle]

There's nothing wrong with that, but they shouldn't all have the same ability

[zenith onyx]

I said they'd each still have unique attacks, seperate from the charge

[safe galleon]

but the charge is unique to the trike

[left nacelle]

I don't think you're fully understanding what I'm saying

The charge is a unique ability separate from the regular attacks, giving them a different regular attack like the stomp, doesn't make them unique. The stomp is just a stronger attack with a different hitbox essentially, so it isn't special

[zenith onyx]

i understand that

[left nacelle]

Yeah so if you give them all a charge but then give them each another "unique" attack you'd either be giving them all a charge ability with one attack that looks different, or you'd be giving them each two special abilities

I don't know if i phrased that as well as i could've

[zenith onyx]

okay, now u've lost me

[left nacelle]

Okay so Charge = Ability

If they all have the charge, they all have that Ability

[zenith onyx]

I wouldn't call it an ability, for carno its an ability because its a carnivore. there are no other carnivores that can do taht

[left nacelle]

I'm using ability and special attack interchangeably here

[zenith onyx]

for Ceratops, they are built for it, so it wouldn't be an ability, it would be a regular atttack, but then it would have an ability, thats differen't then the Charge.

[left nacelle]

Yeah and my issue with that is that then they essentially have two specials. Cause the charge is really unique, regardless of whether they're built for it or not

[zenith onyx]

the charge is unique for trike

it wouldn't be as powerfull for the other Ceratopsian

[left nacelle]

But that doesn't make it more unique

I could see them giving trike and styraco a charge, but i feel like it would be a bit much to put it on the others too

[zenith onyx]

Trikes would do damage, but for the others it would just be a stun because of the size difference between most of the Ceratopsian they have planned for Evrima

[wintry monolith]

Sry it got dubbled for some reason have a shit phone

[left nacelle]

There we go that definitely sounds better. But then you have the issue of all the ceratopsiands besides trike doing a stun

[zenith onyx]

Its not that bad, they have plans for Copies, troodons, and dilo to all have great nightvision.

[left nacelle]

I never heard anything about compies having great nv

[zenith onyx]

they want certain creatures to be capable of the same things

[left nacelle]

But that's different. that's just an increased stat essentially. The still have their venom which is their ability

And their venom will be different from each other

[zenith onyx]

Ceratopsians have always been pictured as charging straight into danger if left with no other choice. (but its still venom)

its still the same thing in general

[left nacelle]

Yeah it's still venom but it's unique to each animal. If you gave all the ceratopsians a charge attack but made them all do different things, that'd be a different story, then they'd all be unique

[zenith onyx]

bingo

[left nacelle]

Maybe you could suggest different things each ceratopsians charge would do? That's be neat and it would be different from any other suggestions I've seen

[zenith onyx]

I don't even know all the Ceratopsians being introduced in Evrima, I know trike, ava, proto, diablo, but i don't know the fifth...

[safe galleon]

jurassic world anky is so damn disgusting jesus

[left nacelle]

It's trike, ava, styraco, proto, and diablo

[barren zephyr]

I'm personally not too bothered by the rhinoceros anky.

[barren zephyr]

Styraco isn't fully confirmed

[safe galleon]

me neither, I like our anky
it's weird unique and interesting design and fits perfectly into the game since the new artsyle is more monster like

[barren zephyr]

But triceratops, protoceratops and avaceratops are definite "yes"s

Maybe diablo will be added in as well, but I'm not sure.

[zenith onyx]

why styraco?! yuck, Path of Titans already has that guy. The isle needs PachyRhinosaurus instead.

[barren zephyr]

There's been plans for Pachyrhinosaurus as well, I'm pretty sure.

[safe galleon]

we're getting pachyrhino aswell

[left nacelle]

@zenith onyx Actually I'm getting mixed up it is pachyrhino

@sturdy kayak The rhino/armadillo anky that we're getting is really unique. It would be kinda weird to make it a generic JW anky

[safe galleon]

and boring

Reacting with ✅ to your suggestion

[left nacelle]

Yeah reacting to your own suggestions in general is kinda

[sturdy kayak]

I don't like it the JW model looks way better IMO and its actually one of the better looking dinos from JP franchise, they already have copied JPs Spino, raptor, etc... i mean ....

[sturdy kayak]

intresting reacting with mulitple dislikes is just plain rude, but Im sure you already knew that

[left nacelle]

??? I only reacted with one dislike. The X wasn't put there by me

[safe galleon]

I put x there, I was trying to find it and when I did the thumbs down was already there and too lazy to remove it

[sturdy kayak]

Its a suggestion, like it or hate it... the Devs will do what they want at the end of the day anyway

[left nacelle]

But anyway, the devs didn't "steal" any of JW's animals. They took inspiration from the. The spino looks very different from JP's spino nad the Utah is a completely different species from the ones in JP

And yeah i know the devs will do what they want, but I'm giving you criticism. That's the point of the channel

[valid zephyr]

Like actual anky isn't unique?

[left nacelle]

@zenith onyx Also, I was mixed up, pachyrhino is being added. styraco isn't confirmed

[barren zephyr]

Actually I rather wouldn't liken our current anky to an armadillo, it's more of a rhinoceros tbh

[barren zephyr]

Irl anky is a bit "meh"

[zenith onyx]

oh okay

Cool

[valid zephyr]

rhino anky disregards important features of actual anky. Like the rounded back which makes it hard to grip.

[left nacelle]

I mean it's unique among ankylosaurus in games and media. But anky isn't that unique irl, there's a lot of dinosaurs that looked pretty similar to it

[safe galleon]

it all comes down to personal opinion, the only thing that really matters is if it plays well

[left nacelle]

^^^

[barren zephyr]

Yeah there are a couple of other Ankylosaurs with clubs (euplocephalus, tarchia, etc)

[left nacelle]

I only said armadillo cause the separated armor on the back gives me that vibe lol

[valid zephyr]

I definitely prefer JW anky to isle anky. It actually looks like a reptile and preserves some of the features of actual anky.

And I dislike JW anky

[barren zephyr]

Though most happen go actually be clubless.

[barren zephyr]

Well yeah it's easy to draw a comparison with an armadillo as well.

[sturdy kayak]

when did i say "steal"? I said "copied" please go back and reread what I said, and yes they did copy, anyone with a pair of eyes can see the "utahs" just renamed Jp raptors, which are also incorrect, and the spino is not even close to the real one, it copies the JP3 spino, why base your model off of an outdated SciFi movie when their is more updated research out there?

[valid zephyr]

I wouldn't mind isle anky as much if it had kept the rounded back.

[safe galleon]

because the isle isn't a paleo accurate game, it never has been and never will

[valid zephyr]

isle spino is far far better than JP3 spino. it actually looks great even if it's not spino.

[left nacelle]

Sorry, I shouldn't have phrased it like that. The spino is based off the JP spino but it does look very different. The Isle isn't meant to be accurate and the game actually takes place in modern times. AE (Apollo Engineering) made spino the way they did because it would more easily fit the niche they wanted for it.

[sturdy kayak]

but the aim is realism, is it not?

[safe galleon]

no?

[left nacelle]

It's kinda realism, but realism =/= accuracy

[valid zephyr]

hahahahahahahaha

no

[left nacelle]

The animals are meant to be plausible creatures, not accurate to the ones in real life

[zinc anvil]

this game isnt aiming for realism just aiming to be a fun game

[cobalt compass]

i wanna solve, the answer is MONEY

[valid zephyr]

realism?

[cobalt compass]

there is some intention to bring realism/paleo accuracy and actual fun gamplay to a enjoyable state

[left nacelle]

Like I said, the animals are meant to seem like they could really exist, but they aren't meant to be accurate to their real life counterparts

[sturdy kayak]

Realism in the aspect that they would still be limited by factors present in our world today i think is the point, but then on the other hand I believe at one time their was a whole argument about why the devs wasnt going to bring certain dinos in the game because of "realism" lol so your guess is as good as mine

[cobalt compass]

for some assets the part of realism fits more than others and vice versa

[valid zephyr]

i like realism but that doesn't seem to be the direction.

[sturdy kayak]

and i believe anky was one of the dinos that was not going to make the cut

[valid zephyr]

2017 isle seemed to have a slightly realistic feel to it apart from lack of feathers, but the new concepts make it clear that ark style dinos are the new direction.

[cobalt compass]

we'll see how anky makes its return

[left nacelle]

I think saying "ark style" is pushing it a bit. Arks dinos are just completely over exaggerated

The isle's are changed up a bit but they still look like real animals

[cobalt compass]

aye, but a bit more "fun" direction

[left nacelle]

True, Hypsi is a good example. It looks cool but it definitely didn't look like that irl

[barren zephyr]

Speculative

I mean Magyarosaurus isn't too unreasonable for what remains of the animal we have.

[valid zephyr]

i'd argue that for example alberto looks very cartoonified. its head and neck are the size of its entire body

[cobalt compass]

as i said, for some dinos a more paleo accurate approach seems more fitting than for other, so they dont ruin the game's meta gameplay

[left nacelle]

@zenith onyx Here's a pic of pachyrhino's model. This is pretty old tho iirc

[zenith onyx]

That's on the Isle Wiki

its super old

[left nacelle]

Yeah, it's still an official model tho

[zenith onyx]

true

[left nacelle]

And it's the only thing we've got iirc lol

[barren zephyr]

I can't find any fucking skeletals of Magyarosaurus online xd

[valid zephyr]

I don't mind fictionalisation. I just think that some looks better than others.

[cobalt compass]

did you look up in PW?

[barren zephyr]

Nope.

Google images.

[paper oriole]

i doubt pteranodon can grapple midair like that, his beak is really his only offensive tool

[barren zephyr]

Pteranodon doesn't have prehensile feet

[paper oriole]

Yeah itd probably just be a sad slap exchange

Which would be funny but kinda useless aside from disorienting other pteras or pelas

[barren zephyr]

In order to dogfight as a pterosaur, you'd need to tug at your opponent's wings, or ram into them (the latter being high risk)

And the main reason for dogfighting even occuring would be competition for food.

[paper oriole]

Pela will probably be more efficient at midair fighting because his beak will rip theough membrane easier

[barren zephyr]

Pterosaur membranes aren't actually that fragile

They're stiffened with fibres (actinofibrils)

[paper oriole]

Tru tho these jagged edges would still hurt more than the smoother maw of a ptera

[cobalt compass]

indeed

[tepid gate]

it's not, for some animals it's definitely an appropriate description - specifically the ones with relatively new concept arts like: Acro, Alberto, Austro

Overall some are JPified(e.g. Spino Giga UtaH) while some are Arkified(Acro, Alberto, Austro) then there are the ones that seem quite accurate to their real life counterparts(e.g. Rex, Allo)

[dapper pulsar]

Baro is better than Diplo, yes.

[paper oriole]

Swipe instead of jab? Why not both, one being a better aoe coverage and the other dealing more targeted high damage?

[elder rivet]

i edited it

[random sail]

it would make stego like legacy, no thanks

i dont need to disagree with you for the devs to not add it

[elder rivet]

no it won't. A swipe won't make a stegosaurus simply run at someone, turn extremely fast and one-shot them

[cyan flame]

And that would be bad how? But stego should not have a jab, just a proper swing/swipe for the sides, and a rearward swipe/wiggle that can be used while moving, to deter being followed.

[random sail]

In that case, stego already has a swipe.... if you attack while looking directly to the side. It is nearly identical to the legacy’s swipe.

[elder rivet]

no because one: it is a jab and 2: it wouldn't deal damage to multiple people at once

[tepid gate]

This might be surprising but you generally wouldn't be able to deal damage to more than one target with a thagomizer. Melee weapons don't work like that - they stop on the first target. You can't really "stab" through multiple opponents.

[random sail]

thats okay, but at least i know the devs aint ever going to add it

it would make stego un touchable unless it touches you

and that's what the legacy stego is

devs are trying to move away from that

I know it is frustrating when a bunch of raptors shred your stego

but its just how it is

raptors are beastly

[tepid gate]

Y, Utahs' pounce needs some tuning down for sure

they kill animals like stego way too easily

[random sail]

utahs pounce is being nerfed actually

[elder rivet]

legacy stego is strong because he turns extremely fast, swipes while running, and weight makes him deal absurd amounts of damage

[random sail]

it will be harder to land a pounce

[tepid gate]

Is it? I haven't heard about it getting a nerf.

[random sail]

it is yeah

im not sure when or how but it is

[tepid gate]

How do you know? Has any dev spoken about this? I haven't seen anything that would suggest it's getting a nerf.

Although I think quite a lot of QA members are aware that it's a problematic ability so it might get a nerf regardless but I haven't heard any hard confirmation regarding that

[elder rivet]

Also even if stegos could attack while running, 1. what thing would simply not run away from a charging stego and 2. unlike legacy doing sharp turns makes him turn in place, completely erasing any chance of it killing what was in front of it unless the thing in front of it was slow as a spino

[tepid gate]

Overall I don't think it should be much harder to hit this ability - Utah should only really not get latched on if it hits the front or the tail of its prey. It should have to aim it so that the Utah player has to hit the side(at least more or less) instead of hitting literally anything and getting teleported to the correct spot because reasons.

Other than that I'd like Utah to have a short moment of recovery after it missed the pounce so that it can't just run around after missing this ability as if nothing happened.

[proud coral]

Agreed

[tepid gate]

As for Stego - I think the animal is ok as it is aside from the Utah match up since raptors shred it a bit too easily.

Might need some further buffs and changes later on when animals that can actually threaten this walking billboard get introduced into the game. But as it is I don't think this animal really needs any buffs.

[hybrid matrix]

and a stego is a fucking SUV with spearheads sticking out of its ass

[proud coral]

Raptor's pounce should focus more on bleed rather than raw damage. But that requires bleed to be dangerous....which it isn't

[cyan flame]

I don't know if it's the stego needing a buff or utah pounce needing a nerf, but a fight can be over far too quickly from what it seems. It should be a drawn out fight, with the utahs wearing down the stego or other big animal over time, not shred it in a minute or two, if it even takes that long as of right now.

[paper oriole]

Tbh stego should probably be buffed in the future as mid tiers and apexes are added anyway, it'll be less screwed by dumb raptors then as a bonus

Utah pounce is way too rewarding for how easy it is though

And not risky enough

[cobalt compass]

@barren zephyr please stop making suggestions for legacy. it is of no use and wont get any attention planned in the near future

[valid zephyr]

@idle ibex bombardier beetle hypsi!

I love it!

[idle ibex]

It’s not too inbalanced, since the multiplier of more damage the smaller something is can not be abused too much, the smaller someone is the harder to hit they are, especially with the acid spit.

[edgy hamlet]

i dont really see how beipi will balance out deinosuchus, even a small deino would be incredibly hard to kill as a beipi lol

[thorn glacier]

Beipi will be able to kill small Deinos

[edgy hamlet]

is that confirmed anywhere?

[thorn glacier]

It will also provide Crowd control around water to keep food from getting to the water

Its not confirmed but we know Beipi will be able to kill juvie dinos in general, deinos aren't an exception to that

[edgy hamlet]

you.. know the size of the beipi do you?

and you know that current dinos spawn size is their juvi and not their hatchling stage

so even a fresh spawn deinosuchus will likely be a challange for a dinosaur this size lol

also i wouldnt expect a dinosaur with a duck niche to actually kill things, rather eat scrabs, fish or just plants

[thorn glacier]

Beipi has massive claws attached to it, it will be containing small deinos

[edgy hamlet]

soo basically youre a dev now

[thorn glacier]

No, I'm not saying that
I'm just saying beipi is literally built for combating small animals

[edgy hamlet]

it maybe could kill freshspawn deinos with a bit of luck, but obviously as soon as the deino is over 10% beipi cant do anything against it lol

[thorn glacier]

Right, and over 10% is when Deinos start competing with each other for control
The idea is for Beipi to pick off fresh spawns to avoid them getting to that point

after that they get food

[edgy hamlet]

dont get me wrong, i would love to get beipi at some point but it wont really balance out deinos, apart from the fact that deinos seem pretty balanced already

well deinos could also just grow in a lone river and eat fish till that point sooo

also deinos will surely eat hatchlings rather theyre 1% or 10%, you dont need a duck to do that

i actually expect deinos to be the most balanced dinos till now, but ya never know

[thorn glacier]

I mean it's not like it's going to be a major threat to dino, but it could be a minor obstacle which will definitely help balance it out
Because right now it sounds balanced until you realize that if the juvies manage to gather, they're going to pack together and it's going to be OP
My idea is more for Beipi to pick off baby deinos before they get to others so they have some aversion to group packing
of course once they pack Beipi can't do anything

but it can get in the way of them getting to one another

[edgy hamlet]

i dont see killing freshspawns that can just spawn again and grow big in short time as balancing

carnos are unbalanced even tho we got utahs

i dont see beipi as neccesary rn

[thorn glacier]

It's not really necessary but it would definitely help

[valid zephyr]

I mainly want beip this update to make the water ecosystem more convincing. Predator and prey.

[thorn glacier]

especially because it would compete with Deino for a foodsource

That's also true Frumpkin

[barren zephyr]

They have a roadmap for a reason, I don't think they should alter it due to delays. Delays are expected, though, there was never a official confirmation of it being late January anyway, so we have no evidence it's delayed at all. Ultimately, keeping to a schedule is better for development than not. Working on tight deadlines in my occupation, I can assure you that adding more weight to an expected schedule does it no favours.

[edgy hamlet]

^ that too

[valid zephyr]

Having only an apex carni in the entire swamp ecosystem is a bit eh. It makes sense for beip to come early.

[edgy hamlet]

umm still, how is beipi gonna change that deino is an apex??

its a 1.5 meter duck .-.

[barren zephyr]

Could say that about Pteranodon. Only flying dinosaur, it's not a reason to burden the schedule for another one

It's a work in progress, and they've decided on a roadmap, it is what it is

[edgy hamlet]

sure it maybe will be able to kill freshspawns-so then? they spawn again somewhere else and grow big, took them 5 mins lol

well ptera is there to introduce a new kind of mechanic, beipi doesnt really have a new mechanic in cases of swimming ya know

if they want, sure, they could add beipi in an update 3.5 patch or something, but update 3 shouldnt be delayed just to add it

[valid zephyr]

Wait who said it would stop deino being an apex?

I meant that it makes no sense to add an apex as the only animal in the ecosystem. It's like adding rex as the first land animal.

Beip provides good prey for deinos, while also being a good playable in itself.

If anything beip should have arrived before deino. Like how dryo came to the land ecosystems before rex has.

[barren zephyr]

Feathered JP raptors are infuriating

?

who suggested... oh

[pale schooner]

Utah itself is infuriating

[barren zephyr]

I used the feathered blue image because it was relatable to our utah

Yeah but the feathers ending at the wrists is irritating

Especially if the hands pronate.

well our utah will likely have something similar, unless they tweaked the model and a few animations

[idle ibex]

Deinosuchus is not an apex

[barren zephyr]

yesn't

[idle ibex]

It can kill sub adults at the most

It’s biggest consistent prey would be around stego size creatures.

[barren zephyr]

what's so irritating anyway?

[valid zephyr]

the feathers stopping sharp at the wrists is painful.

[edgy hamlet]

for me it would make more sense to have another bigger dino if they'd add one, beipi wont be able to do much. In that case adding beipi is like adding a rex together with a hypsi. I think Cera in update 5 will do the job.

also i agree beipi couldve been added earlier than deino, but we cant really change that anymore so we gotta go with it

[valid zephyr]

Beip is dryo sized but with massive claws too. Not exactly hypsi.

And it's about building the ecosystem from the bottom up. Herbivores and piscavores at the start, then larger predators later.

[edgy hamlet]

i agree on that yeah, but uhh rex and dryo isnt better either just sayin'

[valid zephyr]

beip, minmi, and austro at the start. then bary and cerato. then sucho. then deino and spino.

[edgy hamlet]

i wouldve loved that yeah, but thats too late now lol

[valid zephyr]

yeah 😐

[edgy hamlet]

F i guess

[valid zephyr]

I still think notho would make great early semi aquatic. It could lay down the groundwork in a similar way to deino, but is a better size to start an ecosystem.

[edgy hamlet]

yep, apart from that stego and deino werent the best choices to start with, but well we cant do much sadly

[valid zephyr]

I mean stego got in due to being essentially ready from the AI development. So there was the choice of delay the patch ages and switch it with kentro, or stay on schedule and add stego.

But yeah stego being in at this point is eh as well.

[paper oriole]

Ew that picture again

[hybrid matrix]

ye

[barren zephyr]

hideous

[paper oriole]

Why do people use that atrocious broken wrists feather sleeve raptor out of all the pictures they could choose from lol

Plus we dont need bright blue RPtors running around

[barren zephyr]

because it relates best to our raptor

[hybrid matrix]

y do ppl call it buttplug when cock rock is so much better??

[barren zephyr]

[barren zephyr]

because it relates best to our raptor

[barren zephyr]

besides, did you read the actual suggestion dude

[paper oriole]

Yeah utahraptors shouldnt be coloured like birds of paradise lmao

This aint beasts of bermuda

[barren zephyr]

well that's reasonable, but for the likes of velo or troodon

[odd token]

I'm kinda against the idea of paradise colours in Isle, but also if players decide to choose that colour then they should go for it. On officials the colours that matter are brown or green.

[paper oriole]

Idk why a player would want to play as a neon yellow velo pretty much begging to be eaten but if the option could be turned off by server owners sure whatever

[odd token]

Those people don't care much about the hardcore survival aspect of the game.

They'd prefer servers with strict rules and care bear

[barren zephyr]

I certainly would

pretty birb colors

[paper oriole]

Yea probably the same people who hang out in safezones on no alt servers

[odd token]

You know, like people wanna have their chill dino sims without humans cuz you know dino stoners had this game for 5 years without humans and they don't wanna have their fantasy game be destroyed by humans

[paper oriole]

Where their glowing bright colours dont turn them into lunch

[odd token]

It's the same concept as in legacy officials, you go with bright dumb colours you're easy food. Although you can't compare it with legacy since the foliage of evrima is just on a complete different level

[barren zephyr]

I'd be that one guy that runs around with a neon utah blasting gas,gas,gas at full volume in my headphones while dodging the herd of carnos behind me and then laughing in their faces and logging when I jump onto a rock

[paper oriole]

[barren zephyr]

[odd token]

That's the sandbox survival aspect of this game. You can be a shitter how much you want

and bright paradise colours are likely to happen since the devs wanna appeal to a big part of the community where everyone can find his place

[barren zephyr]

besides, survival aside, the bright colors add an extra option for players, regardless of actual utility, they'd be fun to use

[elder rivet]

we need someone to make a compilation of them as a galli in deathmatch servers juking everything but with the spanish sans stronger than you

[barren zephyr]

[paper oriole]

Well there is pesky's gallimimus attacks video which is almost that

[barren zephyr]

now we make another, but this time we throw in the entire rainbow as galli colors

[paper oriole]

Ugh wait if we got bright colours imagine the purple barney rexes and blue RPers

[barren zephyr]

Oh god

but at the same time, eh, don't really care

[paper oriole]

The indoraptor RPers were bad enough

God itll be a nightmare

[barren zephyr]

I'll be a purple barney rex running around throwing as many cheesy puns as humanly possible

[paper oriole]

[barren zephyr]

I've got a skeleTON of puns for you

feel your brain melting at that shitty pun

[paper oriole]

Ah ha the pun doesnt count if it is off subject

[barren zephyr]

well then

now I have to go come up witha bunch of dino puns now

I gurantee you "Do you think he saur-us" will be spammed

anyways there'll probably be servers that say nopety nope that aint dope and make rules against ridiculous colors/RPing or some shit

[hybrid matrix]

???

if drip's suggestion also means bring back the old rex broadcast then yes

[barren zephyr]

@deep jetty as much as I like that idea, it wouldn't be that good an idea. Magy having poison would just be annoying, enabling idiots to play magy and need no skill to run around and be a turd. Even then, it's probably just gonna be cerato food. It's already faster than an allo anyway, and capable of fighting off anything that can keep up

[deep jetty]

yea it would probably just end up as that one annoying thing, also magy being faster than allo sounds like itd look weird but alrighty

[barren zephyr]

it's tiny

so I think it looks fine

[paper oriole]

Magy's animation preview with allo's def doesn't have magy lookin like the faster one …

[barren zephyr]

for now

that animation is subject to change

[edgy hamlet]

would make it look super weird tbh but i'd live with that i guess

[paper oriole]

they made it as fast as possible without it looking like a total spazztard, and it's still not a match for allo

would be hard pressed to make it faster and make it work

[barren zephyr]

eh we'll see

[vast wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/753384549458640976/Minmiconcept.jpg

minmi makes burrows somewhat like that but those burrows are a lot more improved.

[dense wagon]

Let herra have prehensile legs to help it clamber around in trees and etc

https://tenor.com/view/jjj-laugh-gif-14902144

[rare phoenix]

@bold stratus those are notifiers for where fish are.

[paper oriole]

magy goes semiaquatic, gets merked by sucho, spino and deino and still cera too

[elder rivet]

@zenith onyx if it were, it wouldn't be better than tenonto at least. Magy is just a little bit taller than tenonto and would easily fall prey to deino.

[zenith onyx]

easily to dieno, but it would be much harder for anything else to ko it

it would lower the death count for Magy tremendously

[elder rivet]

spino would also do it easily. And since crocodiles are so famous, you'd bet there is gonna be a lot more deinos than the creatures that can't kill magy easily

[zenith onyx]

I suggested it be semi aquatic, I didn't say it had to live in the swamp

it could live in the ocean for that matter, eating seaweed! IDK

[elder rivet]

that's even worse, it would literally be unkillable for like 95% of the roster even if the devs add aquatic predators

[regal fable]

Does carno not have a bucking feature to get rid of utahs?

[icy lion]

hold e

[zenith onyx]

also reme,ber deino wil probs be in the ocean too, because players are players

they explore

[elder rivet]

well then magy will die to them

ok, here's why ocean magy is a bad idea and it would get preyed on the semi-aquatics:
First, magy isn't really built to be fast in water, it's tail's vertical width(idk the term english is not my main language) is very small, or in other words, it's tail has a circular shape, and therefore is worse at swimming, it is also shorter than tenonto's which means it's even worse.
And magy is pretty chunky, but at the same time very small, meaning that it would fall prey to deinos, but it being chunky for things of it's size is a tool to fight against those dinos on land.

[dense wagon]

an ocean dwelling magy

how would that even work

no drinkable water or food, and magy isn't even built to be a swimmer

[paper oriole]

another empty suggestion to add more dinos without any ideas for what they'd do

[zenith onyx]

not adding more

adding concepts

but whatever

[vast wolf]

that is a torosaurus just so you know.

[zenith onyx]

ik

i asking they elongate Trikes horns like the Toros

[vast wolf]

but toro is not trike and those horns look brittle.

whats wrong with the meter and a half lances trike has in game?

they are likely to get longer with the elder anyway just not thin like toros.

[zenith onyx]

those horns are just at thick as the ones on the trikes

just longer

and trikes horns from the front view look thin like that too, same thing here for the toro image

[dense wagon]

here's a reference i found on the web, but take it with a grain of salt

actually i'd assume b is not triceratops

[vast wolf]

if that bottom one is supposed to be a trike its pretty small.

[dense wagon]

yeah i don't think it is actually. no distinct nose horn and the frill even is hollow

these are two torosaurus specimens apparently

[vast wolf]

those are aspects that are a thing for younger trikes just the horn core shape is wrong for trike and the crest is bent oddly.

heres a more normalised trike skull.

toros horns are more strait and a bit longer than trike but are much less robust.

another trike.

[dense wagon]

i wouldn't mind seeing longer horns on the elder, as long as they stay bulky

[vast wolf]

the adults are easy to pick out as toto has a straighter longer open crest with more gracile horns that are straighter and longer. also no frill knobbs.

yeah the horns on the elder being longer would deffinitely fit just have to keep the general tree trunk thickness at the base.

[zenith onyx]

so longer, and thicker

[dense wagon]

thats what she said

[bold stratus]

i know but there is too much of them, thats unrealistic

[wintry monolith]

Devs Said there Will be 500 on the map and chaning it to. And the reason why the fish are so many on the dev map is bc they only have 2 small lakes

[rare phoenix]

unrealistic?

you mean unrealistic like it's a video game and they have to give us visual cues as we're not actually piscivorous prehistoric animals specialized in hunting fish?

that kind of unrealistic?

It's also a dev test map - amarok also LITERALLY said "this is all still being worked on and not finalized" in his stream so people wouldn't take it out of context. It's amazing that it still happened.

[glossy sluice]

@bold stratus Strongly disagree. It seems unrealistic to our modern sensibilities because of a phenomenon called shifting baselines. Modern fish and wildlife populations are severely depleted. But it happened gradually over several generations, so this ghost world we live in now seems normal. Absent human pressures though, wildlife can get astonishingly abundant. I'm looking forward to tons of fish in the waters, making the whole Isle feel more alive!

[safe galleon]

making teno a good swimmer makes sense since its favorite food will be in the swamps but making it able to dive feels weird

[warm flame]

hIpPo TeNo WeN

[dapper pulsar]

Hippo anky

[azure wadi]

rhino anky

[meager tiger]

elephant anky wen

[edgy hamlet]

Hippo Cherry, Rhino Anky, Elephant Trike and moose shant wen

[barren zephyr]

as i said

10 seconds max or it drowning

but the flat and long tail

is like the spino

[safe galleon]

diving is reserved for semi aquatics, teno doesn't need it

[barren zephyr]

which is confirmed aquatic dino

ye but would be cool

[safe galleon]

also if it only is 10 seconds it barely has time to eat anything

[barren zephyr]

and the thing thats bad about teno is that it drages the tail around in the water

it does nothing more with it

[idle ibex]

All teno needs is faster swim speed and quicker running in water, its meant to live in swamps but not be fully semi aquatic.

[hybrid matrix]

^^

[wintry monolith]

what about suchos, barry, denio etc taht will prob snatch it while its swiming

[zinc anvil]

them not giving you a date on the update is better then them giving you a date and then not meeting the deadline for that date, the update will come out when its good and ready

[barren zephyr]

@maiden anvil im sure the QA tester already have the channel for that , this public release is just for some time because this was a stress test on the new fixes coming in hotfixes for evrima for latency and performance issues

it will be closed to the QA and devs after the tests are done

[elder rivet]

why not?

[zinc anvil]

its just to full up the severs to stress test it wont remain open forever.

[paper oriole]

They can not revert the legacy update, the code is broken af

It would unleash even more bugs

[tight oxide]

oh ok

[elder rivet]

why is adding a pond to radio tower a bad idea

[buoyant aspen]

Pacts should have let break for sure

Pachy*

[versed zodiac]

thats confirmed my dude

[buoyant aspen]

Ok

[barren zephyr]

@deep jetty utahs are not even op

or you are another of those that cant even kill a taco

[dire ridge]

we're talking about Evrima Utah, not legacy one

[hybrid matrix]

lmao

[elder rivet]

they do about 1200 damage per pounce, and they can just keep spamming it without any consequences

[barren zephyr]

no shit

[elder rivet]

you fucking braindead idiot

[barren zephyr]

it drains 15% stam per sec

that op?

no i dont think so

[dire ridge]

you said taco, so i thought you we're talking about legacy, my bad

[barren zephyr]

i meant i connected

[elder rivet]

just put 5 of them and a stego's dead

[barren zephyr]

cuz tacos are very slow and can do literally nothing

[elder rivet]

is that not OP?

[barren zephyr]

no

utahs are pack hunters

they are supposed to be liek taht

[elder rivet]

but they're too good in packs

[hybrid matrix]

and a stego is a bus with spikes

[barren zephyr]

LMAO

[elder rivet]

like legacy dilo at night

[barren zephyr]

utah is 2 hit with tail teno and 1 shot by a stego

that not op?

[hybrid matrix]

y u laughing dude?? anything can be too powerful in large groups
for example carno

[elder rivet]

his health is not op, his damage is

[barren zephyr]

it's 2 hit now?

[elder rivet]

and he can just dodge ALL of that

[hybrid matrix]

no its not bc utahs r tiny and teno tails could encase a fully grown utah
and a stego tail has GIANT SPIKES ON THE END OF IT

[barren zephyr]

fromw aht ive gathered i think so

[dire ridge]

headshot multiplier are a thing guys, don't forget

[barren zephyr]

both killing them and being killed

[dire ridge]

On the live server, its too simple to flee after a pounce a stego or a carno. On the QA server i got hit by a carno after my pounce because i was unable to accelerate before he bite me. In my mind i was like "ok, i will not pounce anymore if i'm not sure to kill or able to tank a hit"

[paper oriole]

Rhampho > germano

[edgy harbor]

@balmy gust Or, it would fill it, but cause it to drain 300% faster for the next 10 or so minutes.

[normal shuttle]

I had to try it

XD

[deep jetty]

no, but like i said utahs are hunting stegos & carnos & winning most of the time with little skill, and if pounce is supposed to be something you shouldnt do often, then it should have a punishment if you dont do it right

[proud coral]

Agreed. Pounce should be high risk, high reward. I personally think it should be used more as an ambush/initiating tool rather than an in-combat tool

[zenith onyx]

I like that idea, more ambush then mid fight kill option

[zinc anvil]

@thorn glacier the problem is the community doesn't report bugs all that well and it can make things harder on the devs to find the problems.opening up to the public to look at server performance is why they did this.

[barren zephyr]

@zenith onyx official trello roadmap

has some kind of similar

[zenith onyx]

so?

[barren zephyr]

no need o suggest if planne

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[thorn glacier]

Well that may be true, an extra hand (or in this case a few thousand extra) isn't going to hurt. Some people will communicate glitches + QA will still be working, so we'd end up getting a lot more things covered and fixed

[delicate tulip]

@proud coral made that suggestion the other day as well, this is what you and I want right?

[zinc anvil]

It’s hard to test something when the sever is full of people playing the game normally. I’m not saying the extra hand isn’t a bad thing.it all depends on what needs testing e.g testing server performance then yes open it to the public as that makes sense. But the other testing we do would be a nightmare if it was open to the public with everyone getting in the way of the more involved testing and bug reporting.

[proud coral]

Yeah! A little bit of a bend to make it look like it's actually riding/being lifted by the air and not just T-Posing

[delicate tulip]

Yeah exactly, I've been saying this ever since the Ptera was shown off, Hypno took interest in it when I suggested it on Reddit a few months ago but I guess nothings happened which sucks because Ptera is my most hyped playable, I want it to look good in the air but the t-posing is really off-putting

[civic delta]

I think that implementing a camera system for medium to large carnivores would be good. So let’s say a Utah is on a Carno’s back. The carno can either run into a tree OR face his camera to angle on the Utah and be able to bite and throw a Utah off

So where you pounce is really important

Also, pouncing should instead of doing a ton of damage, do lots of bleed instead

That way a Utah pack can reasonably kill a carno, but it won’t be nearly as easy

[paper oriole]

eh anyone with a good chomper and neck should get the ability to yank utahs off with their mouth

[civic delta]

Plus, other Utah’s should be encouraged to distract the carno so their buddy can do the most bleed, which would encourage pack co-ordination

[inner hound]

bend down wards for the wings would do wonders to pteras flight anim

[tepid gate]

It's not

Utah needs to be hit three times over its body with the tailslam to go down. You would have to land 2 headshots on it to kill it with the tail.

[keen sparrow]

Thanks @left nacelle

[left nacelle]

Ever since they first shows ptera's animations, I've hated the soaring animation. It's not like it would be very hard to change either

[left nacelle]

Np

[keen sparrow]

It looks very stiff

I realllly don’t like it

[left nacelle]

I don't like the animation, but if it went unchanged I wouldn't be too upset. It has grown on me a little, but I still would prefer a change

[inner hound]

bend downwards wings 🙏 pls

[keen sparrow]

Yea I don’t care much about the animation

But the wings

[keen sparrow]

Yes

[inner hound]

just a lil bend 😭

[keen sparrow]

Pls 😭

[left nacelle]

I saw the Ptera in game in the QA test yesterday, and honestly, the animation actually doesn't look too bad when you're watching it from the ground

[keen sparrow]

Yea true

But if I’m playing as it I want it to look nice

I also think adding some sort of swaying or kinda gliding back and fourth slightly would make it look like there’s actually wind in the game

Like what war thunder does

[fading pecan]

So I restarted my steam multiple times but no update shows for evrima to join the QA NA server. How do I fix this?

[left nacelle]

The update doesn't just show up, you have to switch to the QA branch

You can see how to do it in #announcements

[fading pecan]

@left nacelle thanks

[delicate tulip]

The curve upwards when turning is fine but when flying straight aka soaring, the wings need to be elevated slightly at the shoulders and dip down as you get closer to the wing tips to show a noticeable arc/curve

[icy lion]

@fading pecan the qa branch is separate from evrima, unless you swap branches you wont see an update

[left nacelle]

Yeah the upward curve while turning is great imo, gives the feeling of the wind pushing on the wings

[delicate tulip]

^^

[keen sparrow]

Yea right now it looks like pteras struggling to actually keep itself in the air

The plank wings don’t make it look like it’s actually gliding on the wind

[left nacelle]

Reminds me of someone floating on their back in a pool. Like it's trying really hard to not move anything so it doesn't "sink"

[delicate tulip]

https://youtu.be/bP3JkC0FyMI

Might not be 100% accurate anymore but this clip from this episode still shows what the gliding should look like on a pterosaur

Also when Quetz gets added, I wanna see the Ornitho's entrance reenacted, dozens of ptera's flying around and then the dramatic music plays as a quetz flies in XD

[keen sparrow]

Lmao

But yea if they made pteras wings dip like the ones in the video it would make it look 100 times better

And it’s been suggested a ton so I really hope they’ve at least considered it

[delicate tulip]

Yeah, my worry is that going back to do this will interfere with already established animations and code and so they'll just leave it as it is

[keen sparrow]

I mean they fixed carnos sit animation so I don’t see why it would be that hard to do pteras wings

[delicate tulip]

Otherwise it could push the update back further which I'm alright but others might not be

[left nacelle]

Speaking of quetz, back in 2016-2017, when quetz was actually in the game, it's wings had that curve to them and it looked great. But I don't think that animation was made by The Isle's dev team since quetz's model came from TSL

[keen sparrow]

But I’m not an animator

So

[delicate tulip]

Good point @keen sparrow

[left nacelle]

They also changed Utah's sniff for seemingly no reason on the QA branch

and Tenonto's claw attack animation

[delicate tulip]

Hmm, well then yeah, if that's the case then there should be no reason this couldn't be done

[keen sparrow]

Another thing that worries me is that it’s marked done on trello

[delicate tulip]

I'm no animator either but it really shouldn't take more than a day or two get this sorted, it's only a small detail

But a small detail can make a big difference

[keen sparrow]

A small detail that would make a big difference

Yea

Lmao

[left nacelle]

They could just be waiting until it comes out to hear our feedback on it. And I wouldn't blame them for that since people tend to misinterpret things shown in videos and streams

[delicate tulip]

Rdr2 is proving that to me everyday lol

[keen sparrow]

But it’s been a while since carno was released too

And it’s tails still a noodle

But yea I could see that

[zenith onyx]

what's wrong with my suggestion @left nacelle ?

[left nacelle]

You're not the first person to suggest iguanodon, and ever since people have started suggesting it, I could never think of a way for it to be added. It would just be a bigger tenonto imo

[zenith onyx]

if tenonto had been added (figuratively) after iguanodon, people would just say the same thing except tenonto would be a smaller iguanodon...

[left nacelle]

Exactly. And tenonto was already added, so we don't need iguanodon

But maybe if you went into detail on your suggestion and gave ways for it to be unique, I'd change my mind

[zenith onyx]

either way, both of them would have been called the smaller or the bigger version.

[left nacelle]

Well yeah

[zenith onyx]

So its really dumb to say it shouldn't be added just its a bigger or smaller version. Maybe it could eat roots as its main diet, since it has that spike thumb

give it a unique food source

And I know kentro will be able to possibly eat roots too.

[left nacelle]

Idk, I just don't really see the point of adding iguanodon when it's pretty much the same as tenonto but bigger

But my main gripe with your suggestion is that you didn't give any details, you just said "Add this dino"

One of the pinned messages in the #general-feedback channel even says "For everyone posting suggestions, from now on suggestions containing 'nerf/buff x, or please add X dino' are not permissive as they add nothing of value for the development team. Please propose a possible fix/weigh balance changes."

[lament ermine]

if we went with the 12 ton iguanodon, it definetly wouldn't act like a tenonto, only similar in the fact that they're fierce defensive herbivores

I think Iguanodon is either planned or already in Butah's creature doc

[left nacelle]

I never heard anything about it being planned

Also, would you happen to have a link to that doc?

[lament ermine]

Planned for the document, not planned for TI; sorry for any confusion, and yeah I'll see if I can get the doc

[left nacelle]

Wait... what is the document then? I thought it was a list of animals planned for the game

[lament ermine]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eEywjEv2exjo9Jh-Zd-BxXe8eQOibKkSn8RAeAAo9yQ/edit

Mainly a fanmade document for niches / gameplay for both planned and high requested creatures

Iguanocolossus is the part you'd be looking for

[left nacelle]

Oooh okay. Thanks

[median ore]

I am an animator (hobbyist), but even I can tell you it'd be easy AF to slightly alter the gliding animation to include the bend in the wings, and have it work with everything else. There is zero excuse to not do this little tweak everyone has been begging for.

[left nacelle]

[median ore]

3D animation is super easy to make adjustments to. Hell, it's easy to do in general, because a lot of it can be calculated for you between manual keyframes. Then you can go in and make further keyframe adjustments along the way to ensure the finer details are covered.

So like... short version; they'd have to adjust the first keyframe to bend the wings, then they can copy-paste the bone position into the other keyframes. Bam, done, bent wings.

[left nacelle]

I do believe the souring animation cycle also has a couple small flaps in there, so they'd probably have to adjust those too, right? Either way, it wouldn't be much of a hassle

[median ore]

They wouldn't need to put the bend in the wings during the flap, though, because you're not really going to see it there. So they'd do the first keyframe of the "glide", copy the bend over to the keyframe before the "flap", leave the "flap" as normal, then copy the bend into the "glide" that comes after the "flap". If they had any section of glide after the flap -- they likely just looped it in a way they didn't need it.

[left nacelle]

Right, gotcha

I won't be too upset if the animation stays as is tho. It's grown on me a little

[median ore]

Adding "wind" effects to the edge of the wing during the glide would take a little bit more work, but yeah there's really no reason to refuse to slightly arch the wing bones a teeny bit to make all us animation snobs happy.

[left nacelle]

I believe the skin on the wing does already flap slightly during the glide

[proud coral]

I kind of hope the actual flapping is changed a bit, too. It looks like it's in slow mo 😛

[left nacelle]

Yeah the skin definitely does flap. Volume warning btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLziFBXghQs&ab_channel=TheIsle

[median ore]

Okay, yeah, good. Just. Arch them wingies a lil please I beg--

[left nacelle]

Yeah lol. The gliding doesn't look bad from the ground, but it doesn't look good from the perspective of the person playing as it

[proud coral]

The music

But yeah, it's gliding animation currently makes it look like it has no air resistance. It's just weightless :c

[paper oriole]

Gove giga speed a boost and destroy the while mid tier roster?

[proud coral]

Legacy is dead in terms of development

[paper oriole]

Giga is a way better hunter than rex, it tracks mid tiers across the map, annihilates trike and camara in 1v1 and updating legacy is pointless

[left nacelle]

They might've meant the new giga tho

[paper oriole]

New giga doesnt need to be a speedster either

[median ore]

Also, to be fair, this is an albatross flapping their wings - it's pretty slow. I'm pretty sure albatross is a huge inspiration for Ptera's flight: https://youtu.be/x_zshk7uNr8?t=98

[proud coral]

But we have no clue how new Giga will be, and comparing it to Legacy is wrong.

[left nacelle]

It should be faster than rex tho imo, but not by much

[paper oriole]

Rex should stay faster with less stam as an ambusher, it works well as an ambush hunter but eh thats my opinion

[proud coral]

It'd still be nice if it's flapping changed speed based on how it's flying. So going up would make it flap harder/faster

[paper oriole]

Giga shouldnt be faster, it isnt even unbalanced against rex on legacy

[left nacelle]

Yeah Ptera's meant to be soaring most of the time, makes sense that it would have slow flaps

[median ore]

Nah. Legacy Rex was a perfectly good ambush predator even with being slow. All you have to do is sneak up on your prey, which is easier than you'd think, even as a big carnivore.

If Rex is getting the "tank" playstyle and Giga is still being the "mass bleeder" it was, it makes sense to make Giga a little faster than Rex. Giga didn't do nearly as much damage as Rex, so it needed the extra speed / stamina to keep up with it's prey / outpace it's competition.

The point of an ambush predator, is to get close, and make those last few feet count. Tigers are a perfect example. Lions are a pretty good example, too.

They should be occupying different niches as predatory apexes - Rex is the ambush predator, slow, but shockingly quiet and hits hard. Giga would be the pursuit predator, lots of stamina, a little faster than it's competition, doesn't hit as hard but inflicts a lot of long-lasting damage (bleed).

[elder rivet]

Swapping giga and rex's roles would make giga defenseless but if you're suggesting to make giga faster and still get the faster trot, or making giga faster but without stam as low as rex's, then you're completely right

[left nacelle]

@stark dust Sandbox mode is planned but it's not a priority so we probably won't see it for quite a while

[stark dust]

ah i see

[median ore]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Giga should be overall the "endurance hunter", while Rex shouldn't have to worry about being fast or having lots of stamina. Making Giga a little faster / have more endurance also lets Giga actually hunt it's own prey and eat some of it before a Rex shows up to steal it.

I don't think Rex should be able to attack a Giga without taking some serious damage, but I also think it's perfectly fine if Giga can only rarely win a fight against a Rex. Giga's goal when faced with a Rex should be to hold it's own, and then bail. That'll be more than enough to keep Giga and Rex both viable in the ecosystem.

I played on a realism server with Sub Giga as it's own dino, and was faced with adult Rexes on multiple occasions. We had to outstam the Rexes on most occasions, but we did very good for ourselves for a while. And the Rexes were versed in patient ambush-predator tactics. It's how my main dino died, got ambushed by a very sneaky rex.

[paper oriole]

black skies like we have in cities at night wouldnt seem right in the isle, in areas where humans aren't fucking the sky with light pollution there's all sorts of cool shit happening up there

more than jus stars

[left nacelle]

Oh right yeah. I can't believe I forgot about that. I'll redo my suggestion then

[median ore]

If the moon is out and bright, yeah, we can see clouds and shit out in the wilderness. Darker moon phases, and the sky / night gets darker.

Since there's already moon phases in-game, I hope it'll effect the night like that. A good medium.

[paper oriole]

Current night is more like evening than night tho ya

[median ore]

Yeah, unless you have Epic Shadows on. Then it be pitch black.

[barren zephyr]

well Giga being more a bleeder, as it's a carchar, wouldn't stand much in an active biting session- Trex would win...
However, if a Giga were to hit and run several times... that's how I would see Giga only killing a rex realistically if a Giga wanted to kill a Rex, even though honestly it could go for anything else.

[median ore]

Nearly got my Carno yeet by a pack of utahs bc I had epic shadows on and couldn't see a darn thing. Had to turn it to Low so I could stand a chance and get away.

[paper oriole]

Sad havin good setting being punishing still

Hope they fix that

[median ore]

Yeah. 😭

[left nacelle]

Where I live, there's a lot of farmland between towns, and when you go out there at night it's completely pitch black and you can't even see the horizon. But I completely forgot that light pollution is still in effect out there lol

[paper oriole]

Yea humans are real good at messing up the night sky wherever we go lol

[left nacelle]

I remember hearing that in the 90s, LA had a blackout and tons of people were calling 911 about a strange thing in the sky. It was our galaxy lol

[median ore]

I mean, that's what I'm saying. Giga being an "even" match with Rex doesn't mean it wins 50% of the time, it just means it can survive a Rex.

[paper oriole]

Thats honestly sad lmao

[barren zephyr]

honestly with Diets, Giga shouldn't need to kill a rex.
Going for something like a Brachi would be smarter

[paper oriole]

Giga should be able to get away from rex, but it currently can if it doesnt let the rex get close. Giga has the best mobility among apexes currently

[median ore]

Never suggested Giga should ever hunt Rex.

[median ore]

Yeah, I've had to out-trot many a Rex.

[barren zephyr]

legacy-wise it having the best mobility
although, I can easily see Giga outrunning Rex in Evrima anytime

[paper oriole]

Giga would have to have pretty bad stam to level that out or rex will have to be a slow fatass lol

[median ore]

Like I said. Rex shouldn't need to be fast.

Either that, or Rex should be fast for a very short period. Just enough to do an ambush.

[barren zephyr]

at least faster then a Rex

Giga shouldn't be faster then a lot of things
the unbalance of that would be a joke

[median ore]

Yeahno.

Giga needs to be faster than it's competition (Rex), and have enough stamina to keep up with it's prey. It's... it should almost be semi-ambush. Sneak up, deal the damage, run the prey down and finish it off.

[paper oriole]

Rex currently is a very balanced animal with its short bursts of speed and bad stam holding it in check

[median ore]

Yeah. The issue is, ambush no longer exists.

So we need to consider that.

Unless the big guys are going to be getting ambush mechanics.

[paper oriole]

It can still likely function with its bursts of speed and low stam, perhaps even have a unique mechanic

[proud coral]

I'm concerned about ambush returning....but if it's heavily reworked, maybe

[barren zephyr]

it needs to be heavily reworked

[paper oriole]

Giga shouldnt have ‘semi-ambush’ level speeds and also be an endurance hunter tho idk if that was a serious statement lol

[median ore]

No no no, I meant "semi-ambush" as in it's hunting style.

[barren zephyr]

hm

[median ore]

I've kept saying "ambush hunter" and "pursuit hunter" and I thought y'all woulda caught on by now.

Those are hunting styles of real animals.

[paper oriole]

Idk current goga kinda functions like that already aside from the fact that he twoshots mid tiers on top of his fat bleed output

[median ore]

Yeahhh.

Currently Bleed in-game is, like. Nothing tho.

In Evrima that is.

[paper oriole]

Yea evrima bleed is underwhelming

Current giga is not balanced tho it should def be evened out in evrima

[barren zephyr]

still a work in progress though
so we have much more to see as you know

[stark dust]

is it just me or is it just that i notice that a juvi carno can out run an adult hypsi...

[left nacelle]

@stark dust I think if hypsi was any faster, it would look ridiculous. I've gotten away from adult carnos many times as a hypsi

[paper oriole]

They made carni juvies stupid fast ya

Carnivores in general so far i mean

[sonic cloud]

I mean juvi hypsi can jump and spit while juvi carno can’t do either

[paper oriole]

Utah and carno juvies have it way better than teno and dryo

[median ore]

Y'all I wonder if we should go to #balance-feedback-discussion with all this--

[barren zephyr]

the thing is
hypsi is tiny, just hide

[sonic cloud]

Also you guys ever tried tracking a hypsi in dense forest?

Not fun

[left nacelle]

Hypsi is also very maneuverable. Run into the treeline, do some quick turns and you're good. Works every time

[barren zephyr]

a pain

[sonic cloud]

It’s a dense forest animal

That’s where you should be hanging out

[left nacelle]

Even in an open field it's pretty easy to escape predators as a hypsi

[median ore]

Thissss. Hypsis that think they can just run up to carnos in the grassland and get away with it...

[sonic cloud]

That’s where it’s equipped to escape it’s predators

[median ore]

If you're good, I guess. I keep catching them.

[left nacelle]

If a predator's chasing you and you're a hypsi, don't focus on getting away, focus on getting it to lose track of you first, and then you can try and get away

[median ore]

Yeah, dodge and weave!! Have an escape route planned lmaooo.

[sonic cloud]

Thing i’ve noticed as a carnivore is that losing a small animal is far easier in evrima

[left nacelle]

I ran circles around a carno in an open field once and it couldn't turn fast enough to get me, once I was behind it, I ran for the forest and it didn't even try to chase me lol

[median ore]

Yes it is

[stark dust]

i see

eh i am usually bad at being a hypsi that could be why i suggest that

[left nacelle]

But I don't even think I've ever seen a living carno juvy in game tbh

[median ore]

Meanwhile, me: getting good at catching tiny zippy things as leggy carnivore

And, well. As a Carno juvi I play scavenger / hide a lot. I don't trust adults. That's death.

[stark dust]

never trust adults xd

[paper oriole]

When skin custom comes too you can likely be pretty much invisible as something as small as hypsi anyway too

[median ore]

Heck, I barely trust other juvis my size. I'm just getting better at winning fights with my own species close to my size, so I'm less scared now.

[stark dust]

i havent play evirma in ages because most servers are empty

[sonic cloud]

I like how skill actually matters in evrima regardless of size

I’ve killed juvi carno’s bigger than myself as a juvi carno. That shit wouldn’t happen in legacy

[barren zephyr]

most servers are empty, but there are around like 4-5 servers that are quite large in active player counts

[median ore]

Yeah, I'm soooo happy with that. Breath of fresh air. I do like the rock-paper-scissors aspect of some match-ups, too. Like. I don't mind a good Utah pack being able to take down Stegos, that makes sense to me.

[sonic cloud]

It’s a much softer rock paper scissors as well

Like a stego has legitimate counterplay

It’s not just, oh a pack time to give up and die like legacy

[median ore]

Yeah!!

It's good to know when to run, though. And I like that you can survive a lot of things if you know what you're doing / choose to run.

[sonic cloud]

Yep

[stark dust]

i am glad they add the pounce mechanic back

[barren zephyr]

still needs some work on it though

[stark dust]

for sexual dimorphism i feel like there should be a difference in terms of size like the female is bigger then the male or the male is bigger then the female depending on the species instead of just more and brighter colors for the male

[median ore]

Oh yeah, for sure. Lost a stego a couple months back to teleporting utahs, and that sucked.

[stark dust]

F

[median ore]

I think it's fair the utahs got a stego, I was just sad they teleported all over the dang place otherwise I would've lasted longer.

[stark dust]

ah that happend to me too when i was a carno

[barren zephyr]

everyone has mixed opinions on Sexual dimorphism changing your stats and character models size
Although, it could easily break in balance or nests (people only picking Male/Female, because it is better)

[median ore]

Yeahhh, I disagree with changing player stats / size based on sex for that very reason.

There will be other sexual dimorphism traits, like larger / smaller horns, bigger necks / crests, etc.

It'll all be visual.

[stark dust]

i mean sure but arnt females better then males in legacy just because u can nest as female and u blend in better with ur skin because u can just be full black

[median ore]

You'd be surprised how easy it is to have a crest and still be camouflaged if you don't choose a stupid bright color.

[barren zephyr]

camouflage-wise not really, but that depends

[median ore]

And I'm pretty sure you'll need a mate to nest in Evrima.

[barren zephyr]

^

yep, it's going to be more realistic but not too realistic
Females will still have to gestate then incubate

although something like fertility in dinosaurs wouldn't be a bad mechanic, especially to link in with perks

[median ore]

I kinda hope they do internal gestation, bc gestation =/= incubation.

[barren zephyr]

yeah

[dense wagon]

yeah arent the eggs supposed to gestate inside the mother

[median ore]

Once it's laid, it's incubation. Terms.

[dense wagon]

mmhmm

[barren zephyr]

yes

[median ore]

Yes. And eggs aren't gestated. That's why they're eggs.

The male mates with the female once, and then over a period of time, she releases eggs, they get fertilized internally, and then the shell forms and they're laid.

[dense wagon]

i wouldn't mind a nonvulgar mating animation, like the male rubbing his side against the female or smth

[median ore]

The only "gestation" that occurs is really just the calcification of the egg shell. At most, when eggs are laid, you can tell if they're fertile because the very start of a little red "cheerio" embryo is formed.

But, sometimes, it takes a couple days after being laid for that to even form.

[dense wagon]

imagine the eggshell only formed after the egg was laid

[median ore]

I mean... that happens. That's dead eggs.

[dense wagon]

like it's just a ball of embryo and yolk, but then the shell materializes

lmao

[median ore]

Yeah the shell just doesn't materialize. In reptiles, they'll lay squishy eggs called "slugs" bc they weren't fully calcified. Sometimes they'll even have little transparent windows in the shell bc the calcification was so bad.

[barren zephyr]

@lusty agate how about we reverse that, Dinosaurs can kick (if they are physically possible to) humans in the nuts

[median ore]

[dense wagon]

utah's toe claw could do some serious damage to that area, just sayin

[barren zephyr]

yeah, utah grabbing onto a human via a pounce would cause serious pain

[dense wagon]

was the interactive peat moss all a lie

or duckweeds, oops

[median ore]

In my experience, it worked before -- but it was a texture overlay when you swam through it and looked funky AF.

[dense wagon]

hmm

[haughty cliff]

i'm shocked people like the sick mechanic

i feel like it adds nothing and just detracts

[proud coral]

Poison and diets will need it. Right now though it does feel annoying. Kind of wish they would've added it then and not now

[haughty cliff]

Oh yeah poison, that does make sense

for overeating i just detest it as a mechanic

[gaunt hinge]

If you hit enter then hover your mouse over food or water you can see the %. That should make it a lot easier.

[nova anchor]

overeating making you sick is really annoying ngl. I agree it should be changed to throwing up if you ate the wrong food, instead of if you accidentally went over your max food a tad

[left nacelle]

I've never had an issue with it tbh lol

[nova anchor]

I have never personally had any big issues with it myself easier, I just think overeating making you sick makes no sense realistically or even gameplay wise. It'd be more logical to have it be if you ate the incorrect food

[left nacelle]

Well it will be kinda like that in the future. Some foods will be toxic for some animals

[haughty cliff]

Yeah it doesn't add much. + if you have ADHD not to make excuses but you constantly forget what you're currently doing and that split-second lapse having 20+ mins of consequence is really irritating

like, glance around for danger, weird mechanic messes up your stats for awhile lol

but aye rat ty for the tip, that seems helpful

[azure wadi]

i really dont have a problem with sickness, it hant happened to since the launch of update 1

[haughty cliff]

i have it worse with stego, they eat 10% and then after a moment, another 10% even if you aren't holding down the button so you have to wait to below 80% to top up

[azure wadi]

i play stego and i never have that problem

[left nacelle]

I always wait until the bar looks completely full and then stop eating. I only had one issue earlier today when I started looking at my other monitor without paying attention lol