general-feedback-discussion

[paper oriole]

Jaguar bary could be cool but that model concept looks weird

[dapper pulsar]

It is a bit iffy looking in some areas, but I like it.

[paper oriole]

His tail i think is what bothers me most lol

And the weird growth on his shoulder... and those grody hands

And it climbing trees

Other than that its cool

[dapper pulsar]

All of which could be fixed by it being Icthyovenator.

[paper oriole]

Yeah icthy has a pretty weird spine it looks more fitting to that concept lol

Only issue i can really think of is how bary is more terrestrial looking, but hey they took aquatic spino and turned him into a generic land apex so it def wouldnt hurt to give us an actually aquatically adapted spinosaurid like icthy

They basically turned spino into giant baryonix with dimetrodon spine

[dapper pulsar]

It would also help alleviate the fact that our Spinosaurid line up is Bary, Bary 2:Escape to Africa, and Bary 2 Deluxe.

They did make our Spinosaurids very, very similar.

[paper oriole]

Yea kinda disappointing imo but doubt theyre gonna change it at this point

[dapper pulsar]

A man can dream.

[paper oriole]

Some hero will add subaquatic tapwing spino inspired mod some day im sure

[dapper pulsar]

That would be great.

The same hero should replace Bary with his awesome smaller cousin...

Irritator!

Wrong one

Ichtyovenator.

I was thinking about how Irritator would be ripped to shreds if it replaced Bary.

No one likes the poor thing.

[paper oriole]

Yea i see some irritator appreciators out there but it generally gets rejected for some reason

Guess people are just … irritated

[dapper pulsar]

I think this is the reason.

It's a lot more duck than even Spino in that interpretation.

Icthyovenator on the other hand has it all, cool name, only a bit smaller than bary, sick ass sail, significantly smaller than Sucho so Bary people would have an easier time justifying it's existence, cool name again.

[paper oriole]

I just want a proper aquatic spinosaurid so i'd be happy with either one but that's just me lol

Im super salty bout spino

[dapper pulsar]

You mean like... Any spinosaurid outside of Sucho and Bary? Yeah...

[paper oriole]

At this point pretty much

[dapper pulsar]

We got 2 of the most similar Spinosaurids and then we made Spinosaurus look like 'em

Progression's influence holds strong.

[hybrid matrix]

tbh irritator would be cool if it were added, along with icthyovenator
especially if it looks like the one in that picture. i would love to play as a massive lizard duck
i would also love to play as an even massive-er sailboat goose with a fishtail

[dapper pulsar]

We are not Ceratopsids we will not HAVE 5 FUCKING REPRESENTATIVES IN THIS HOUSE!

Out of the 2 Irritator would introduce more, Icthy is just better Bary

6 if you count Taco.

I don't, Taco's good.

[hybrid matrix]

rq i just wanna point out that hypsilophodon autocorrects to xylophonist

[dapper pulsar]

Jazz Bird.

[zinc anvil]

@barren zephyr its a video game none of it needs to make sense really

[hybrid matrix]

yea but u seriously dont want the accurate spino?

that would be so sick to play as

[lofty pagoda]

no

[zinc anvil]

looks of the creature dont even matter to me its all about how the creature feels to play and the play style of it

[barren zephyr]

Didn’t say it needed to make sense, just needs to have a consistent art style

[zinc anvil]

you should be more clear on the feedback then and just say you dont like the look of anky keep it simple

[barren zephyr]

It was pretty clear I’m sorry you can’t understand it

[twin burrow]

Ya that type of feedback is whatever

Especially when Magna Rex is suppose to be a strain-type so

[barren zephyr]

That was my point lol, it’s meant to be a hybrid and so shows traits of another species whereas animals like spino and anky share traits without being hybrids.. like at least make it “magna spino” or “magna anky” if that makes sense?

[twin burrow]

Hm yes, we can't apparently have animals look a certain way to fit a playstyle. But we can just make them into strains and than it makes sense and than we gotta more two more models for their adults and morphs.

That sort of issue to me in general is just silly.

[flint root]

waaaah give me update waaah 😭 😭 😭 😭 😡 😡 😡

[paper oriole]

Omggg people are literally suffering because this dinosaur sim beta has some bugs omg

[flint root]

GIVE ME MY FUCKING UPDATE I HAVE LITERALLY SAT AT MY CHAIR FOR THE LAST 4 MONTHS WAITING FOR ANOTHER UPDATE I HAVE LOST ALL FEELINGS IN MY LEGS FOR THIS UPDATE GIVE ME IT NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[paper oriole]

I am LITERALLY STARVING waiting on this update i have NOT SLEPT or moved while waiting on this update !!!!! My blood is on your hands devs !!!!!1!!!

[dapper pulsar]

Ok, so I was thinking about the tier split idea for Anky and I thought of having mobility as an option, which would be the current Anky model, however, the tier split idea is my ideal world, and I don't want that to exist, what do?

[paper oriole]

Not even anky's new form can logically outrun its predators so it really isnt worth

[dapper pulsar]

They made it that way so it can turn, right?

[paper geyser]

so it's easier to animate

that's all we really know

[paper oriole]

But they kept minmis ankylosaur shape

[dapper pulsar]

Minmi's small

can have gimmick

Anky is big, has to rely on being a solid animal.

Wait

Huh.

[paper oriole]

Hella upsetting if they really ruined anky just because they dont like animating stubby fat animals

[paper geyser]

afaik that's the only reason, apparently anky's legs had to be lengthened so they could be animated easier

[proud coral]

I think there would be a lot of clipping issues otherwise.

[paper oriole]

oof

[dapper pulsar]

That's kinda upsetting.

[paper geyser]

i suspect there might be more behind it than just clipping, which already happens with some

[dapper pulsar]

Maybe they wanted to do something unique.

[paper geyser]

some think it's to make anky faster in general, which is absolutely ridiculous

[dapper pulsar]

It's not real, it's not JP or JW

[paper oriole]

Does saurian's anky have animation probs

[dapper pulsar]

Saurian's Anky is a work of art, but it's only ever gonna deal with regular Rexs.

Really good looking regular rexs, but still regular rexs.

[paper oriole]

Yea but animation wise

They made a good shaped anky and animate it properly right

[dapper pulsar]

I mean, it's in the game.

It's just not playable.

It probably has animations.

I haven't seen one yet.

walk

Ignore the video compression, I used a tweet video website

[paper oriole]

What a good chonker

Cant really tell if it has issues at that angle tho

But they did that without ruining the model so there no excuse lol

[dapper pulsar]

It seems a bit robotic to me

https://twitter.com/littlebaardo/status/1049776638894858241?lang=da

Jacob Baardse (@LittleBaardo)

Another little animation for @SaurianGame. Chunky boy Ankylosaurus going just about as fast as his stubby little legs can take him. It's no wonder they were so heavily armored, they weren't outrunning anything

#GameDev #Paleontology #Dinosaurs https://t.co/dtWfv5LPYF

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Twitter · Oct 9, 2018, 9:40 PM

[proud coral]

The back leg seems kind of odd, but that may just be the angle

[paper oriole]

It does look like it has a limp a bit

[paper geyser]

i think it's the fat belly combined with a weird anim

[paper oriole]

But hard to tell with the angle

[dapper pulsar]

Saurian's youtube channel doesn't have any videos of Anky

[valid zephyr]

@low dock the 'weights' are off because they're not weights at all. Apparently they're tied to food and drag values, and so have to be put at weird numbers for balance.

However the character screen dinos being completely different sizes to the in game dinos is really jarring.

Stego is really far out.

[dapper pulsar]

hotfizxz

hot physics

[brave rampart]

Someone obviously doesn't pay attention to the discord enough to realize that a hotfix is planned

Also funny how you can somehow dictate that majority of the community thinks its trash

[strange wave]

@barren zephyr credit the artist at least

[solid wedge]

didnt know there was a hotfix coming, what issues is it fixing?

[brave rampart]

Mainly desyncs, hit registrations (I think?), and other annoying shit

I think lag is included

[edgy hamlet]

remember they already planned what gets released in update 9, theyre just not telling us because people will then ask for update 10 and so on

[azure wadi]

whats up with people wanting giant dinosaurs so early

[vestal hound]

lil dingus wants their big fav dino

[edgy hamlet]

humans are a very late game thing, the devs dont have the intention to include them as soon as the game isnt polished enough

for humans we will have to wait 1 or 2 more years

also (again) update 9 is already planned just not released, so doesnt make sense suggesting update 9 things lol

[azure wadi]

para is the size of rex, its too big to be added this early, spino is one of the largest and one of the most dangerous carnivore so even update 10 is too early, trike is one of the most powerful herbivores so its too early

[edgy hamlet]

^

[valid zephyr]

Depends which para we get. It can range from barely bigger than the current tenoto all the way to up nearly acro.

[edgy hamlet]

if its barely bigger than teno then itll be even more useless than before

[azure wadi]

id imagine we'd get 11m para, small para is basicly just a maia

[valid zephyr]

I'm hoping for tubicen (the larger para) in order to make it sufficiently different to maia. Would fill a mid point between maia and shant.

[edgy hamlet]

but para doesnt really fit in the roster rn, id rather see small herbs

[vestal hound]

I was just jumping on the bandwagon of "update suggestions"
but I don't understand what you mean with lategame content
as well as why not release them earlier to polish them alongsite the dinos?

[sonic cloud]

Destroy the ecosystem at this early stage

[edgy hamlet]

Aight, so evrima right now is still a beta and isnt polished in any way, there isnt even enough playable dinosaurs to keep people from switching back to legacy after a week, humans are one of the most complex things that are going to be implemented in the game and will need a LOT of work. Lets say they bring them in update 10, we would have to wait atleast 4 months till humans will have half of the mechanics theyre supposed to have. And with the few Dinos right now it would basically just becoma a giant deathmatch. Also apart from all this devs already confirmed humans will be the last things to get added

And starting to work on humans with how the game is right now would probs just cause lots of bugs and game breaks

also currently the devs have to keep the updates going and shouldnt put months of work into one new thing, people get bored quickly

plus they will have to work VERY careful with humans in order to not destroy all the balance they want to achieve

[vestal hound]

look I know what the devs said, I am talking about what I think makes more sense.

And starting to work on humans with how the game is right now would probs just cause lots of bugs and game breaks

so like... every other addition to the game? Ofc they need long and a lot of work. But when you can work on both dinos and humans in tandem they can be balanced alongside eachother. Gamedev for humans is also probably faster than dinos (due to more rescources)
They can also split up human mechanics and make every update one human and one dino mechanic.

also with balance, that is all tweakable like they do with dinos.. start with smaller weaker weapons so that humans don't just go nuking and work as small ranged predators rather than giant threads

[edgy hamlet]

Overall this would take longer time than splitting it and focusing on humans while all the dinos are ingame already, fitting the humans to each (already done) dino as individual, instead of keeping to switch back and forth between developing humans and developing dinosaurs

Also dont forget that humans will need more than just their models and mechanics, they need buildings, weapons and so on

which all need 3d models and polishing

[barren zephyr]

Humans, similarly to Deinosuchus and Pteradon, will bring a LARGE and NEW foundation.

Implementing new mechanics, a lot more new dinosaurs. Is what the devs want to do right now.
Mercs and Tribals, also would need a large number of QA tests in balancing and bugs due to humans being very different to everything else.

The devs want to clean up Evrima, and not do a legacy

[edgy hamlet]

"not do a legacy" is a pretty good way to call it, yeah

[azure wadi]

the development of humans would be a long time without an update

[barren zephyr]

Which is why, even though i really want mercs in the game, we wont be seeing mercs in the game for some time

[edgy hamlet]

yep, which wont be a problem if the overall game is already done

[barren zephyr]

@civic delta
Update 4 is one of the best planned updates besides 5 and 6

[edgy hamlet]

devs cant allow themselfes long "update-less" times

not in the current state

[vestal hound]

which all need 3d models and polishing
Temporary assets are a thing in beta games

not do a legacy has NOTHING to do with not doing dev work on humans
legacy didn't think about the future
not thinking about humans is not thinking about the future of the game

yep, which wont be a problem if the overall game is already done
humans are half the game... they are part of the overall

you know you can start humans off without most of their fancy things right? running, dying, spawning are already things in game
add a bow that works like hypsi spit and you have your first weapon

[meager tiger]

humans would break evrima in it's current stage, and yes they will require big amount of time

[azure wadi]

currently there is nothing that can stand up to a soldier with a gun

[barren zephyr]

Devs want to focus more on more important mechanics and more important creatures

Humans, mercs, aren't very important. Yes, lore-wise they are.

But people see ads, photos and art of this game. Almost all of it, dinosaurs

[edgy hamlet]

humans just dont fit at all, the current game is built on dinosaurs still, gosh there isnt even a polished map. They gotta focus on the things theyre working on right now, and not start a whole new part of the game

[vestal hound]

Lore wise? Gameplay is important... this is supposed to be a Human vs Dino survival game not a dino game

[edgy hamlet]

Since Humans, as you said, are basically half of the game, they should be careful and should develope them cleanly rather than pushing it so people can play faster.

otherwise itll be quantity instead of quality

[barren zephyr]

The isle is a survival horror game.

Humans fit very much with lore, or then why bother humans.

[vestal hound]

reusing already written code is a thing bubbles. Humans are not that different mechanics whise to dinos

lightclaw I meant that i don't care about lore but about the gameplay

[edgy hamlet]

Im not talking about that its hard to do, im asking why they would push it out while most players are pleased with just having dinosaurs currently

[meager tiger]

carno is fast but gun is faster, that's it humans for now will be too OP

[barren zephyr]

Then Mercs are pretty pointless, due to most people seeing this game as a survival Dinosaur game

[edgy hamlet]

why push such an important part of the game instead of taking time to do it?

[barren zephyr]

That's why they're taking their time with Deino and ptera

[edgy hamlet]

yup

[vestal hound]

Bubbles, Lightclaw maybe most of those people will leave the game then when the devs add them?
So should the devs give up on humans instead of adding them earlier and finding players that love the game the devs intend to make?

[edgy hamlet]

never talked of people leaving the game?

[barren zephyr]

The devs aren't going to give up on humans

However, it's very likely that more people each update will arrive

We saw the same with update 2's launch

[vestal hound]

so you say they should cather to dino only players instead of aquireing players that actually want to play the finished game? Instead of just half of it

[edgy hamlet]

people that know about the isle most likely know that its gonna contain humans, the devs dont have to "send a sign" and bring them out early in a bad state. Also leaving the games because of humans? there will be enough servers without humans.

[vestal hound]

yeah and see how many went back to legacy cuz "not enough dino"

[edgy hamlet]

its a beta right now. Not a finished game. People will have to get over it, lol

[barren zephyr]

It's only update 2, we haven't seen the full body of the game.

Only a small tiny bit of hair

[edgy hamlet]

Evrima has just started, its a beta, no need for humans

[barren zephyr]

Looking at Legacy, cough

Lol

[edgy hamlet]

[vestal hound]

I disagree

but that is ok

[edgy hamlet]

Oookay, but why would a beta game like this need humans this badly?

[vestal hound]

a beta game for dino vs human survival yes

[urban flax]

The problem is that if you add humans too early in the game development, you will have to rebalance them after every update because of new dinos and new mechanics. Devs just wait for the game to be more stable to release them in a "finished" state.

[vestal hound]

its like a farming sim where you can only sow but not grow

[urban flax]

But I am as eager as you to see them in-game

[edgy hamlet]

I never saw someone complain theres still no humans in, till now. What do you want them to do, change their game description? They can take their time, in the end when its a finished game there will be humans.

[vestal hound]

Yes you have to rebalance, but don't they do it for dinos anyway? balancing and tweaking stats and mechanics is what they have to do anyway

[edgy hamlet]

When its a beta not every game mechanic is ready yet, thats why its called a beta. Itll be done when humans are added, so i dont see the problem

[vestal hound]

I have seen and heard it. But yes the majority of players at least here on discord seems to not want humans in the game at all

[meager tiger]

humans will take a load of time to make, yes we will already have more dinos than we have now after update 9 but people will get bored and switch back to legacy making evrima dead or almost dead with only one or two servers populated, for how long? 4 months or maybe even 6. It's just not smart to add them now

[barren zephyr]

it's a different type of balancing.

Humans and dinosaurs aren't very similar.
They will include a bunch of different and new mechanics that Hypno and the QA team don't want to stress about

[edgy hamlet]

For those people there will be the right servers, but still yall just need patience lol

[barren zephyr]

@inner hound maybe- maybe- a channel for dinosaur-related artworks, seeing as most people here make art on Dinosaurs

[edgy hamlet]

Also, how would that make sense: You either do one at a time and be cleary, or do both at the same time and mistakes happen-what i wanna say is splitting those two big parts of the game into different developing stages will make more sense than doing it all at once

[barren zephyr]

the art that has been removed

[edgy hamlet]

You dont draw two pictures at the same time ya know what i mean?

[inner hound]

Hell, have maybe Art moderators only made for the two art channels even and things could go swell enough

[barren zephyr]

yeah

[vestal hound]

Bubbles I disagree but I don't think we get any further with discussing this

but guys... don't you agree that we need more ranged stuff? Not only hipsy spit but something to stop certain players from just sitting on rocks in the open

[barren zephyr]

of course we need more ranged stuff

[edgy hamlet]

yeah thats what theyre working on lol

[vestal hound]

is there a ranged dino?

[barren zephyr]

sadly dinosaurs are not marksmen nor soldiers

[edgy hamlet]

and yeah we wont get further probs, nice discussion haha

[barren zephyr]

we have barely any information on what the devs want

[safe galleon]

give beipi archer fish spray

[barren zephyr]

just names of playables

[edgy hamlet]

^

[vestal hound]

np I enjoy some discussion glad we kept it civil

[barren zephyr]

personally, I wish Dilo had an acid spit

[paper oriole]

Let dinos throw shit with their mouths and stegs sling shit with their tails, ranged warfare

[meager tiger]

tenonto with a bow wen

[edgy hamlet]

lazer-eye magy when

[barren zephyr]

the only thing ranged in-game is vomit

[vestal hound]

ew @paper oriole

[paper oriole]

Why give hypsis acid spit to dilo who already has crazy sounding venom tho

[barren zephyr]

no, I wish Dilo was redone to get acid spit.

Same effects they promise with it's venom bite, just- acid

[vestal hound]

tbh if ptera has some skillful flight mechanics I'll be a menace to any rock sitter

[paper oriole]

So dilo would literally … send you on an acid trip

[meager tiger]

rocktah mains beware

[edgy hamlet]

just wait for ptera war in the first few hours of update 3

[vestal hound]

that and croc war neither sky nor water will ever be save again

[edgy hamlet]

no more water-camping herbs, ahh

aight weirdos was fun, gotta go now cuz ya know ive got a life

[vestal hound]

just need some more deterrend for mix/megapacking and then most rules will be naturally enforced

have fun with life

[edgy hamlet]

i wont

[meager tiger]

utah/carno - infantry
hypsi/dryo - scout
deino - submarine
ptera - plane
stego - tank

world war isle

[paper geyser]

i'd say dryo is more of a scout than hypsi simply for the speed

[meager tiger]

hypsi can jump higher

[paper geyser]

jumping is pretty much useless

hypsi is a suicide scout if anything

[wary sparrow]

And teno ?

[meager tiger]

i dunno

[paper geyser]

medium tank

stego is heavy tank

[meager tiger]

quetzal - enola gay

[barren zephyr]

horse

[wise delta]

Strap a bomb onto hypsie. Suïcide squad

[barren zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/kaboom-tony-stark-iron-man-explosion-gif-15636965

[wise delta]

Exactly

[meager tiger]

herra - vietnamese soldiers

[barren zephyr]

oh my

[wise delta]

When humans get added they will ride teno’s into battle. And dryo’s will be rides for human toddlers.

[barren zephyr]

idk who it was, I got it from Bilbo

[shut gorge]

How do you apply for content creator?

[safe galleon]

message punchpaket

[strange wave]

ah, sorry then https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401480390528729091/786298032173482046 here is the original post

[barren zephyr]

Imagine mercenaries attaching bombs to Herrerasaurus

Haha tribals you gon be extinct

[barren zephyr]

thanks I'll credit him now

[cobalt compass]

@edgy hamlet that is alread the case

[valid elk]

I didn't think people would like my idea that much

[inner hound]

bro sunken/broken ship at the beach or smth is cool as fuck, loot for mercs can be hidden there

[cobalt compass]

opens alot of gameplay opportunities for smalls

which would than interact with mercs who want to loot those places

[valid elk]

Good point.

[edgy hamlet]

is it in yet? I just tested it, cant see any difference except its such a small one, and in that case z walk still doesnt have a real purpose :/

[cobalt compass]

well, to be not too specific about it, yes technically it is implemented, but rn marginally in its effects

[wanton spire]

Any plans too add the the dinosaur food, water, escape from predators gameplay loop? Have a few players that were too bored during the downtime between predator attacks. Normally I would tell them to try something else but one of them mentioned the game lacks chaos systems. The closest thing he mentioned was the rain interrupting our sense of smell.

Any plans to add to the dino gameplay loop*

[crude girder]

I would like to point out update 5, the diets should give you plenty of things to do

[wanton spire]

That is a very good point. It will be interesting to make those specified choices per dino

[cobalt compass]

well, even working onto getting the perks should keep you busy for quite some time

[valid elk]

Migrations, diets, and water should force animals around. Herds will eat up the greens, walk over to find greens they can eat, carnivores follow them to hunt them, water controls stuff like floods and droughts, forcing animals to leave during dry seasons.

[elder rivet]

that would approximately change the width of the map from 9500 to 10800 meters, still smaller than V3

[wanton spire]

Are floods and droughts a planned feature? I'm really intrigued about chaos systems

[valid elk]

@wanton spire As are storms, domes with different enviornments inside, etc etc

[wanton spire]

My body is so ready...

[valid elk]

Geez, I didn't think a ruined boat would be that good of an idea

[lofty pagoda]

why did people react with "lake" on that suggestion

[elder rivet]

vulnona says it's a hill lake for some reason

[barren zephyr]

soo how do u fix the glitch where u cant do anything as your dino in legacy?

like i can walk but cant bite call rest or eat or drkin

[elder rivet]

#🔧-legacy-troubleshooting-🔧

[barren zephyr]

how do u do that im new to discord

i mean pc

@elder rivet

[elder rivet]

go on that channel, that is where you should ask that

[safe galleon]

There’s always issues with legacy @lone portal

[lone portal]

yeah but these are like issues i never had before.

[safe galleon]

Yeah legacy is breaking, it’s a sinking ship

[icy lion]

the soggiest spaghetti youve ever seen

[safe galleon]

The moldiest bread in history

[crude girder]

The weight system would be pretty hard to program though, a dangerous height is relative to both animal mass and to the surrounding terrain

For example, being really high up could be bad, if you were on the edge of a cliff, but it wouldn't matter if you were on a stable pathway or a plateau

Plus those coordinates display where you are, the game has no way of knowing where you are planning to go

[elder rivet]

but being on a high altitude would mean that there's a cliff nearby, so it would basically work more as a "watch where you're stepping" instead of "there's a cliff here/there"

[icy lion]

if youre on a gentle, sloping hill, the peak would still be a high altitude but youd be in zero danger

a system like that would have to have specific coordinates marked as being dangerous, not just altitude

[valid elk]

Man, I didn't think rusty boats or stuff would be that popular...

[strange wave]

@quasi void it wont, it cant, it has no reason to

[elder rivet]

why not @barren zephyr

[dapper terrace]

@sharp gust I wish we could go incognito

I had to buy a second copy of the game to have an incognito account

[barren zephyr]

@elder rivet the footage in the evrima main menu is from the "Hope" trailer

Though I'd like to see an official launch trailer at some point

[azure wadi]

i thought it was isle discussion for a second

[wary sparrow]

What did I just read

[inner hound]

[brittle ivy]

I clean

[safe galleon]

@hollow peak the pachy model is the same as in legacy, kentro is basically supposed to look like a bunch of sharpened pencils cause that's what it is and dryo isn't terribly skinny altough the neck could use some fat

[azure wadi]

i like fatrocanthosaurus, thats why i dont like thin acro

[barren zephyr]

they might've been looking at the elder pachy to call it shrinkwrapped

[safe galleon]

that thing is anything but shrinkwrapped, fat thing

[barren zephyr]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401464048610312195/801559033379160074/image0.gif

fat thing looks like me when I wake from my slumber

[safe galleon]

it does look a little tired

[barren zephyr]

it looks dead inside 0-0

actually, honestly wouldn't be a bad idea if Elders had a stamina debuff once around 50% of their elder time

I think they were planning to add decay over time as the elder ages

I mean

hold up let me get the card

that's what you'd think

Elders are larger, more powerful variations of the adult stage of life. They are only accessible by following certain diet and perk pathways. While elders start off stronger than the highest tier adult of their species, over time they depreciate in strength until time releases them from their reign. You may choose to embrace death and die with a bonus you can apply to that species later on. Or, depending on your species, you can forfeit reward, deny the reaper for a time and extend your reign as something far more terrifying

so this ties into strains somewhat right

yeah

you either pick the bonus or "something far more terrifying"

which'll link with strains

next thing you know the devs bait us and put in a joke creature

that wouldn't be great

your rex just turns into a asiorajiowejfiosaurus

[barren zephyr]

nycta rex 0-0

I would cry

alt f4

then cry some more

[meager tiger]

turning into a taco would be epic

everybody knows that he is ultimate creature

[barren zephyr]

But instead of a taco, you turn into a literal taco

no

Minmi is ultimate creature

you just flop and fall

[barren zephyr]

y e s

Minmi is just retro God

minmi is our lord and saviour

I can't believe people say stuff like this dinosaur is better then Minmi and I'm in the chat + active

like

[meager tiger]

elder utah turning into minmi

[barren zephyr]

anyways, off-topic there for a sec
but the blindess when hatched is not a great idea.

too much like BoB

it's all lies

[barren zephyr]

best mechanic

[barren zephyr]

elder rex turning into a minmi

god tier

the blindness while hatched would be hindering

^^

[meager tiger]

magyaro turning into minmi would make him good

[barren zephyr]

I would say it should only last 2/few seconds

[safe galleon]

and annoying

[barren zephyr]

way too hindering and static for gameplay

^

[safe galleon]

make magy into minmi and make minmi a beaver

[meager tiger]

beaver

[safe galleon]

yes

[barren zephyr]

turtle

[meager tiger]

cod

[safe galleon]

imagine a minmi building dams and stuff

[meager tiger]

playable fish

hyper feesh

Hyper Minmi

[barren zephyr]

yes

[meager tiger]

The Ultimate Being

[barren zephyr]

yep

tisso minmi

the dark lord of nightmares

and neuro minmi

he big brain

minmi will have the option for any strain

[sudden kelp]

Yes hypo minmi

[paper oriole]

The way that acros pelvis clipped into its leg

[barren zephyr]

[paper oriole]

But

[barren zephyr]

[zenith onyx]

lol

[barren zephyr]

that animation was beautiful and you know it

I wouldn't want it in evrima

but that was beautiful

[carmine path]

@delicate tulip word you are looking for is surreal

[delicate tulip]

Tbh I think the word I was looking is dynamic

[barren zephyr]

@zenith onyx that model is fucking ugly

pronated hands and feathers do not go together, as a general rule

[zenith onyx]

who cares

[barren zephyr]

for fuck's sake there are far better feathered velociraptor renditions than that

that's just blue/that stupid ass raptor from Jurassic World

[zenith onyx]

u don't need to cuss at me

And it just was an example

chill out

I was just trying to say taht velo needs a remodel and that it could look similar

doesn't have to look exactly like that

[barren zephyr]

still, why are you gullible as to post a feathered version of Blue rather than an actually decent velociraptor

[zenith onyx]

so your attacking me rather then giving criticism over my post, that's low

[barren zephyr]

well yeah fair enough feathers are probably a good means of distinguishing the two

[zenith onyx]

that's what I was trying to post. I DIDN'T ever say it had to look "exactly" like the picture i posted underneath

And a good rule of thumb as well, nothing in the isle is 100% correct, they've changed Utahs alot. They hardly look like the real thing. So why not get creative

[valid zephyr]

lol stopping the feathers sharply at the wrists like that. so painful to see.

I agree with the idea of making velo feathered though

[paper oriole]

That is one of the ugliest velociraptors i have ever seen, i hope they dont break velo's wrists like they did with utah

[barren zephyr]

In general JW designs make me sorta cringe

[elder rivet]

why be so salty all he said was he wanted a feathered velo

[paper oriole]

Never understood the appeal of those hideous broken wrists

[barren zephyr]

we still hate broken wrists

[elder rivet]

be against the person who created that image not at 3%

[paper oriole]

He had to look for that image tho cus better shit comes up on the first row of a “feathered velociraptor” google image search

[ashen wasp]

ahhh, Fred's Velociraptor. always nice to see it-- yeah id love for an accurate Velo to be in Evrima

[urban flax]

Actually I don't see a reason to not give velo feathers.

[ashen wasp]

Maybe with an emphasis on agility and water conservation?? since Velo's a desert animal and all.

[urban flax]

Yep that would be awesome

[paper oriole]

A few nice accurate gems as eyebleach after looking at jp spinos snd utahs

[ashen wasp]

ohh, or crepuscularity

[urban flax]

I still desperately hope to see frog spino in the Isle, although it's more than unlikely to happen.

[ashen wasp]

i mean Beipi looks great, Ovi has a really strong design, Theri's iconic-- devs are on a roll as far as feathered designs are concerned-- hope they extend that toward the raptors in the future

[paper oriole]

Some hero will mod it eventually im sure, since the devs like jp a bit too much lol

[urban flax]

Yeah, all feathered dinos so far look really good

B-but Tapwing's concept art...

[ashen wasp]

well ive heard talk of optional feathered variants for the nakey dinos

Utah, Troodon, im looking at you

[urban flax]

Featherless Utah is just an abomination in my opinion

But if it is the price to pay to have other raptors feathered, so be it

[ashen wasp]

oh!! the one feathered concept im not sure about would have to be Austroraptor, but we'll see about what/if changes are made and how it transitions to a 3D render

[urban flax]

Feathered rex would look cool too ngl

[ashen wasp]

i can dig the fluffy rex in the concept art, even if it isn't strictly accurate. i appreciate its aesthetic

[urban flax]

"inaccurate" ? Aren't paleontologists like 80% sure that even large theropods had feathers ? Or are you talking about something else ?

[ashen wasp]

ah, im talking about the skin impressions from Tyrannosaurus

theyre small, but show scales/skin, not feathers

[urban flax]

Oh

[ashen wasp]

i believe the current consensus is that if Tyrannosaurus had feathers, they would be sparse or light, like elephant hairs

still <3

[urban flax]

I'll have to redo all my rex drawings then
Luckily I don't have many

[wary sparrow]

Feathered dinos just look good

[barren zephyr]

a rex didn't need dense feather coats at all

[urban flax]

Or let another large theropod like Alberto or Allo have feathers

[barren zephyr]

mainly since it lived in a place with a climate comparable to the southeastern united states (with barely if any snowfall or frost)

[wary sparrow]

Alberto would suit feathers other tyrannosaurids have evidence for feathers

[barren zephyr]

Tyrannosauroids have evidence for feathers, but not tyrannosaurids

All tyrannosaurids with preserved skin are scaled.

[mellow maple]

It's a gradual loss of feathers for that family

[wary sparrow]

My bad englisch isn’t my first language so I’m not fully aware of all the proper classifications

[ashen wasp]

in any case-- if/when feathered alts for dinosaurs like Utah are provided, i wonder if its animations will be tweaked?? still think its mudbathing anim looks silly

gets on all fours and scratches its neck like a dog..... hm.

[glossy sluice]

Gotta disagree, giggles. The savanna and grassland images you shared are from a much more arid region (sub-Saharan Africa). The evrima Isle is pretty clearly taking place in some kind of equatorial tropical region, which would be getting MUCH more rainfall than the pics you shared, and plants grow fast because of it. Even with large animals knocking lots of them down, the scrubby grassland from the concept art actually looks really good and appropriate for the setting.

[zenith onyx]

hey everyone, just so you know, i don't care if its wrists look like that or not, feathers or no feathers. The isle has never given us 100% accurate creatures, so stop picking at the picture and actually give cristism to my post. That at the time was how they thought they looked. Don't attangonize the artist for something they didn't know was incorrect....

[ashen wasp]

yeah, different environment

[paper oriole]

More picking at the fact that you chose to use that rendition specifically

But feathered velo would be nice

[zenith onyx]

I just picked a nice looking pic, not specifically

[paper geyser]

it looks nice to you, others might not like it. Same deal with everything else in that image

[zenith onyx]

it was by chance i found it, and chose to use it. I didn't mind the fact of its wrists looking wrong

[paper oriole]

Nice looking pic

[zenith onyx]

there is always going to be people who will downrate something because they themselves don't like it

that's not my fault

[paper geyser]

then don't complain when people dislike the image you chose

[paper oriole]

I mean thats what downrating and uprating is for

[zenith onyx]

I complained about them attacking the artist

rather hten my post

[elder rivet]

he's complaining because nobody gave him criticism and instead decided to bash him for using a picture idiot

[zenith onyx]

thanks Drip

[paper geyser]

thanks for throwing insults

[paper oriole]

Idk about the others but i was more focusing on you choosing that pic, not attacking the artist who is clearly skilled despite drawing an ugly version of the animal

[zenith onyx]

that's your opinion

[paper oriole]

Yeah and this is a channel for discussing opinions on posts in the feedback channel

[zenith onyx]

i understand that, but, you choose to attack the picture i chose rather then the idea behind it. do you get what im saying? it just seemed like you wanted to start a pointless conversation, rather then debate

[mellow maple]

Oiiiii i'm gonna derail this

[paper oriole]

I mean its a picture you decided to attach to your post so of course it is open to criticism

[zenith onyx]

ikt

[safe galleon]

what's popping fam!

[quartz lantern]

Hey guys...calm it

[zinc anvil]

okay lets not fight and be children everyone can have an opinion its just how its works

[paper oriole]

Im totes calm but this is a pointless argument yeah

[quartz lantern]

yeah just drop it please...

[zenith onyx]

also quick reminder, nothing in the isle is 100% correct, its not the end of the world if I choose one picture for a post that is slightly incorrect. Get my point?

sure thing

[zinc anvil]

just drop it 🙂

[zenith onyx]

did that lol

[azure wadi]

First off before I say anything, I 100% agree with feathered velo but velo and Utah are not similar at all

[ashen wasp]

what do you mean by that??

[edgy hamlet]

that velo and utah are not similar at all

[ashen wasp]

oh thank you i get it now

[barren zephyr]

Velociraptor is a more derrived dromaeosaur than Utahraptor

[thorn linden]

@wet tundra i was going to make an arthropleura suggestion myself

[wet tundra]

Yea bro. It'd be amazing to see more (npc) creatures in The Spiro

[paper geyser]

what does derived mean in this context

it's more different to other dromaeosaurs?

[icy lion]

velo existed in the late cretaceous compared to utahs early cretaceous, a difference of almost 60 million years

saying something is more derived means its more different from its ancestor

this also works for animals that exist at the same time; boas are less derived than pythons afaik

[paper geyser]

ah i see

thanks

[crude girder]

Derived is also relative somewhat

[icy lion]

yup, since its based on comparisons

[glossy matrix]

bruh

why are people obsessed with a shitting mechanic

why are you the way that you are

why do you like shit

[paper oriole]

i wanna shit on some trees to mark my territory fck yeah

i'll also shit on my kills so no one else eats them, top tier mechanic

[elder rivet]

"but poop is goooooood!!!!!!!!!!!111!!1!1!!1!!1!11!1111!11!!1!1!11!111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[valid zephyr]

basically a poop suggestion a day.

[thorn linden]

[sonic cloud]

A poop suggestion a day keeps dev communication away

[inner hound]

[elder rivet]

why not

[paper oriole]

who complains about how bad velo looks? i only ever hear people debating between feathers or not as far as its appearance goes lol, never seen people complain about the model

[twin burrow]

This doc's kinda barebones tbh

[paper oriole]

how bad the picture looks maybe

[twin burrow]

Also you basically just gave Velo like, a tree/wall jump?

Also denying Velo so much just because one or two animals does x thing is bad.

Competition is a good thing to have.

[paper oriole]

tbh it would be nice if any spry small jumpers could bounce off surfaces like trees/cliff sides and whatnot

he has the claws to cling to the sides of trees though

[safe galleon]

Honestly a wall bounce would allow for interesting skill craving movement and cool pkaystyles

[paper oriole]

since forests are going to be pretty occupies by things like herra and compy though maybe velo could inhabit more barren mountain and canyon areas where he can escape large preds by clambering up ledges and between rocks with his agility and speed

[twin burrow]

I mean ya that is a good idea, but the rest of this doc is just...nah, well the biome is fine

[paper oriole]

living in rigid scapes would also make use of the wall bounce pretty well

[twin burrow]

I guess my main issue is how they describe the mechanic section, but the wall bounce is a good idea

[paper oriole]

ive wanted wall bounce for hypsi for a while too

[safe galleon]

I can already see the docks parkour clips on YouTube

[zenith onyx]

why do u think its just barebones?

@twin burrow

[paper oriole]

aside from the wall jump, it's escape mechanics seem the same as any other small animal. its diet is basically the same as most small predators too, so probably means it by that

as well as taking shelter in dense vegetation or on heightened places

[zenith onyx]

well there aren't alot of options for Velos...

that are unique anyway

[elder rivet]

who's the person that made that para image full of points on what could be done with para in #general-feedback ?

[zenith onyx]

Tell if you have a better idea though @paper oriole

[twin burrow]

Ya what bufftrike said is what I mean

[zenith onyx]

So you think its doesn't have much flare? @twin burrow

[crude girder]

I would say keep the velo document on the backburner and wait till we have some other small carnivores in game

that way it would be easier to find something to make velo unique

[zenith onyx]

I'll probs do that

thanks

[crude girder]

np

[little nexus]

Ditch it for microraptor and have a glider

[paper oriole]

microraptor is gay what's he gonna do eat bugs

[little nexus]

Or some kind of glider then

[left nacelle]

@bold stratus In the future horned animals like Trike and Carno will be able to rub their horns on trees. Along with a lot of other actions. So yeah, it's an upcoming feature. But I don't think it's a huge priority so we probably won't see it for a while

[haughty cliff]

Re: water sources/flow, I agree for the most part--I'd love to see wider rivers too and more estuaries, islands etc instead of well-defined rivers coming from holes and going into ponds/swamps BUT, I'll point out that in some geographic regions, water absolutely can come out of and go into holes. My area of the world is primarily karst, where water will go into the porous/unevenly-eroded limestone, flow underwater and crop back up out of springs all the time, so it is possible depending on rock type!

[glossy sluice]

Fair point, @haughty cliff, thanks for the thoughtful response! I'm definitely not opposed to some of that, but given the fact that this is a clearly tropical region, and already holding water in swamps, some wider and more complex waterways seem appropriate. I'm sure the dev team has way more important things to focus on, but it'd be a cool addition to world design at some point.

[haughty cliff]

agree, I was thinking mostly of what dripsilophodon was saying but I for sure agree with yours. I'd love a bunch of spread-out muddy estuaries, little islands and so on, and I'll add the overgrowth on some of the new swamp (with plants growing IN the water and around the edges) is a ton more realistic than the clearly-delineated mud cutoff - bare river that we have atm. Plants GROW in water, it should be full of green too!

[glossy sluice]

Heck yeah! You've got my vote. 🙂

[cobalt compass]

@tiny sand afawk, torvo wont be implemented any soon. next, & your own suggestion...

[safe galleon]

while I love torvo and think it's really cool, it isn't very unique

could be made a skin for allo tho I guess

[cobalt compass]

yep, like carcharodontus as giga alt skin or whatsoever

[safe galleon]

yupp

[azure wadi]

and on your own suggestion, that’s kinda cringe

[languid crown]

mega cringe

[azure wadi]

And you add even more reactions

[languid crown]

its like obama giving himself a medal

[azure wadi]

Its like me going, I think this should be in the isle, then under my breath I go “wow that’s so cool”, “perfect idea Danger”

[languid crown]

shakes his own hand

slaps his own back

[safe galleon]

ngl this made me laugh

[cobalt compass]

please stop reacting to your own posts

[azure wadi]

It’s cringe

[cobalt compass]

even on the purpose of giving ppl a "template" of desired reactions, its pretty much cringe and confusing

[languid crown]

then you have chosen death.

[barren zephyr]

come on, not everyone cares that the wrists face forward, no need to get so angry. What got you so far on edge? woke up on the wrong side of the bed?

[barren zephyr]

they did say they were making feathered variants somewhere I think, so someday we will have feathered raptors

[tepid gate]

Torvosaurus shouldn't be an Allo skin, the two are not similar at all. It's a megalosaurid having a completely different body plan and way of hunting than Allo. It could probably be made to fit the game in one way or another but I don't think there's much of a poin in hypothesising what it could potentially do prior to addition of Albertosaurus, Allosaurus and even Suchomimus as these are the three animals that are of similar size.

[barren zephyr]

and the art was good. Don't attack them for not having turned wrists.

[ashen wasp]

Ah, I wouldn’t say feathered variants are coming “soon”— they’ve stated they’re waiting at least until the improved feather system is in the game, and even then, no mention of it exists on the roadmap

[barren zephyr]

yea, I meant eventually mb

I have brain farts like these all too often

[elder rivet]

to put a doc in here do i just go on the "share" tab and copy the link? or do i have to do something else

[zenith onyx]

u also have to click on the "share link with anyone who has the link" button otherwise nobody will be able to read it.

[safe galleon]

so if a rex and trike are 50/50 in a fight why would trike take longer to grow?

[elder rivet]

because trike wouldn't be as much of a dumb dumb as it was in real life, also i believe the devs are gonna make stomp more useful

[safe galleon]

but everyone is as smart

[arctic nimbus]

A Trike should destroy a Rex in a 1v1

as it did irl

[safe galleon]

nah it should be 50/50, the one who does more mistakes loses

[paper oriole]

Herbis should take less time because they are the less popular faction anyway esp if its a 50/50 matchup

[arctic nimbus]

Every dino in the game isn't a 'dumb dumb' when they are controlled by human players. Saying Trike is going to be smarter doesn't mean anything, especially since it cannot use tools.

[safe galleon]

also saying that things will have x% amount of survival rate doesn't really matter, I don't get how that's supposed to be implemented as a mechanic since it depends on the person playing

[paper oriole]

Trike is also slower and therefor more defenseless than rex as it grows so that's another reason it shouldnt have a longer growth lmao

Rex is bound to be played much more than trike and have much more mobility growing up, so its growth time should be longer

[valid elk]

What? It's a 50/50 for a T.rex vs Trike fight

[tiny sand]

I Might have to say 60/50 trike 60 trex 50 😎

[arctic nimbus]

Let me restate that.
If the Trike stands its ground againt a T. rex without running away, then it would win most of the time. Not 'destroy' as I said earlier. I used a bit of hyperbole.

And I am talking about real life, just for clarification. Not in-game.

[valid elk]

Ah, understandable

[tepid gate]

How would you know how it went in real life? We literally do not have the evidence of what kind of interactions took place between those specific animals and how successful they were in conflicts against one another.

[edgy hamlet]

@latent helm better type here :d

[latent helm]

👍

[edgy hamlet]

if ya just bought the game it might be good to know that theres a second version, evrima

its a recoded the isle thats getting updates rn

[edgy hamlet]

if ya look at the phase-two channel you can see what theyre doing rn

[latent helm]

yes somome helped me alreaddy

[arctic nimbus]

We know how Tyrannosaurus hunted other prey (chasing it down and using its stamina to tire them out iirc). If they used the same method as they did with Triceratops, then the animal would most likely survive by standing its ground and facing straight at its enemy. It's mostly theoretical but I can't imagine a T. rex successfully killing a Triceratops that is standing its ground.

[tepid gate]

I can absolutely imagine it doing that considering that the largest Tyrannosaurs we have dwarf most triceratops specimens available to us and those specimen that are the biggest ouf of the ceratopsids are still smaller than the Tyrannosaurs

[barren zephyr]

I can imagine it if a Trike makes a fatal mistake
But I still feel like mostly a Trike has the upperhand in combat

[tepid gate]

Not to mention that a predator which is incapable of hunting its prey simply goes extinct and T.rex is clearly evolved to wrestle down heavily armoured prey items such as Triceratops.

[barren zephyr]

All the argument will really boil down to is "Depends on the circumstance"

[arctic nimbus]

I can see it hunting armored prey if they ran away and got tired out. If a Triceratops were to stand its ground and face its enemy, what is a T. rex going to do? Size is helpful in combat until your preferred prey isn't intimidated and has horns that can impale you.

[barren zephyr]

It'd be tricky going headfirst or trying to find an opening against two spears and a shield frill

Especially if the prey item is quadrupedal and has more lower/wider center of stability, while being a similar weight to you.

@latent helm Go to #401464048610312195 if you want tips

[tepid gate]

If T.rex depended on its prey to run away it wouldn't have evolved to be as massive and robust as it was. It didn't need all that bulk and biteforce to hunt animals that would rely on running away as the main defense against it. The evolutionary design of this animal literally implies its adaptation to killing things such a Triceratops. Would it be the preferred prey item? Probably not, it would definitely be risky just like killing a Gaur is risky for a Bengal tiger yet a tiger still hunts it every now and then with some degree of success.

And finally that's the thing - Triceratops is not exactly of similar weight to Tyrannosaurus. The largest realistic weight estimates of Triceratops go up to around the size of "Stan" - 7.7-7.8t. This is based on fragmentary specimens. The majority of triceratops would very likely not be that large and could most likely be overpowered by some of the larger Tyrannosaurs without that much effort. Meanwhile we have numerous specimens of T.rex reaching and even exceeding that weight.

[crude girder]

I mean counterpoint, it is hard to grapple with a large Triceratops because of those horns making any attempt at a good grip very dangerous. But yeah if a max size rex grabbed a max size trike, it would probably be able to force it to the ground, tho that would be taking all of its weaponry out of commission to continue to pin that animal meaning it would still be a very close 50/50

[hybrid matrix]

u kno wut would be cool?
imagine if a bunch of ppl against adding poop to the game worked together to list valid reasons on why it shouldnt be added, and then a bunch of ppl who want poop to be added list valid reasons on why it should be added, and then they have a civil debate about it

both sides of the argument should just sit down and discuss it civilly

[crude girder]

I mean the real thing is, you can just add another feature to accomplish the same thing, and most of the time with less effort involved

Like you want marking your territory, just have scent marks

no model needed, and accomplishes the same goal

And what is considered valid is hugely subjective as well

[hybrid matrix]

but how would u mark ur scent? i mean there is always just rubbing against stuff, but i mean wut if ur dino doesnt smell bad enough or it just mudrolled, it could piss on a tree to mark its scent

[crude girder]

Or, and hear me out, it could just have an animation where it rubs against the tree and then it just works

because otherwise you need an in depth scent system, which doesn't seem to need to exist atm

[hybrid matrix]

by valid i mean reasons that make sense

ones that arent personal
so reasons like "its dumb" arent valid

[crude girder]

likewise, let's say we did get this in depth system for scent with a scent level per animal and all that, diets and a whole host of other systems would need to tie into it, but then you also have some issue crop up

namely that a scent system mimicking real life makes it so carnivores would smell far worse than herbivores when they excrete, meaning herbivores would basically always know a carnivore is in the area, which is a direct nerf to carnivores

That requires a wind direction system to circumvent, which is 2 new systems

[hybrid matrix]

i mean tbh a wind system would be cool anyway

[crude girder]

Sure, but also imagine how angry it would make you if you were upwind of some food in a jungle, and starved because you couldn't smell it?

[hybrid matrix]

thats part of life

[crude girder]

Yes but is it a fun gameplay experiance?

[hybrid matrix]

not rlly tbh

[crude girder]

So should it be added?

[hybrid matrix]

but neither is getting killed by a packmate

[crude girder]

Yes but you had control over that, you could fight

[tepid gate]

Pretty much this ^ I'm just pointing out that so far we have more evidence of really large Tyrannosaurs than we do for really large Triceratops

[crude girder]

wind direction is RNG

[hybrid matrix]

that doesnt mean that a group immunity system should be added where u cant attack grp mates

[crude girder]

and RNG = bad game design

[hybrid matrix]

well then y r there no definite ai spawns

[crude girder]

Even a 10 ton rex still has to watch it when dealing with a 7 ton Trike, it has size and power, but horns are still horns

[crude girder]

There are, I know of several

the AI have designated spawning areas, people like to camp them, it's a problem

[hybrid matrix]

ok i feel like we're getting sorta off topic

[crude girder]

Basically I'm against adding excretion to the game because anything it accomplishes can be done easier with preexisting systems

and because some of the systems we would need for it introduce RNG, the last thing we need

[hybrid matrix]

i mean

the whole game

is rng

[arctic nimbus]

You would think if a majority of Triceratops were overpowered then their populations would be a lot smaller, but we know that they thrived. And as I said before, how is size going to stop the animal from being impaled? I'm not saying that Triceratops would win all the time, rather, if it stood its ground then it would win so long as the T. rex cannot get around. Triceratops was designed for head-on fights, and if a T. rex were to attempt and fight it that way then it would easily get injured or killed because it did not have the weaponry designed for that specific combat style for that specific animal. The reason why I brought up that T. rex would need to cause the animal panic and exhaustion is because that would be the only way it could really get around that defense.

[hybrid matrix]

at least player controlled dinos r

[crude girder]

Controllable RNG tho, not "You are walking in a storm, you get struck by lighting, you die instantly"

Like you can assume players will gather in high resource areas, and thus go there

You have no control over the wind, or if that cliff is gonna give way, or if an earthquake suddenly happens

[hybrid matrix]

well u didnt have control over rain in legacy either

[crude girder]

Immersive/Realistic? Sure. Good gameplay? If you like "rocks fall you die"

[hybrid matrix]

that was rng

[crude girder]

You still won't be able to control rain, but rain is comparatively harmless, aside from blocking scent

RNG in legacy is at its worst with bone break

[hybrid matrix]

but isnt that the exact same thing that wind would do?? especially since it would happen during rainstorms

[crude girder]

The wind would make the problem worse

[hybrid matrix]

then y is rain ok but wind bad

[crude girder]

Imo rain bad as well

[tepid gate]

@arctic nimbus That's not how ecosystems work - you have less apex predators than you have their prey. Meaning that even if a certain animal gets eaten to a relatively large degree by a predator that lives either a solitary life or in relatively small groups controlling a really large territory then the population of the aforementioned prey item doesn't get wiped off the face of the earth. It's also not true that Tyrannosaur didn't have the weaponry designed for that specific combat - it literally evolved the way it did to prey on large, armoured herbivorous dinosaurs.

[crude girder]

You can still smell in the rain

[hybrid matrix]

irl yes

[crude girder]

hell, rain has its own smell

Thus when it gets added again, if it blocks scent again, it'll still be a problem

since RNG would randomly shut down a major system

[loud vine]

It would also happen up in high up places most, and I honestly would love to see loose rocks like in RDR2, rivers that drag you, etc

But ya know, others don't like the high chances of dying so why bother on cool shit

[crude girder]

Wind and Rain both have the issues of randomly shutting down your scent system, either entirely with rain, or partially with wind

[hybrid matrix]

however

[loud vine]

You can still smell with a breeze

[hybrid matrix]

ur only focusing on the bad part of wind

[crude girder]

If you can see an environmental hazard that's fine, but RNG lighting bad

[loud vine]

I can smell food from HuHot with a breeze

[tepid gate]

ie. you have many, many triceratops for each Tyrannosaur that lives in an area, likely reproducing at a faster rate than they get eaten which means that they don't go extinct because the Tyrannosaurus sometimes hunts them. Not to mention I hardly argue that this conflict would end with Tyrannosaur's victory all the time. I do think that it was nowhere near as much in Triceratops' favour as you made it out to be initially.

[hybrid matrix]

if ur downwind from something rlly far away that u wouldnt be able to smell normally then that could save u from starvation

[crude girder]

Wind would let you smell better if you are down wind sure, but only to a certain degree

[loud vine]

If it was heavy winds or a windstorm, that would be different

and it not only depends on the direction, but how strong is the source

how strong is that sources scent

[hybrid matrix]

i think that wind should count as a type of weather that admins would control

like rain and thunderstorms in legacy

[loud vine]

if its a huge corpse, it would be smellable for a long range

and probably smellable in light rain

like whale corpse kinda deal

or a rex corpse

[hybrid matrix]

i think if there is a wind system added then there would be times when theres barely any wind

[loud vine]

^

just an extremely light breeze

[arctic nimbus]

I can take the ecosystem argument you mentioned. I was incorrect on that. But I mentioned before that when I said 'destroy' it was hyperbole and I really should not have used that word. What I really mean is that in a one on one confrontation a Triceratops would most likely win, even if that percentage is small. There are a lot of factors that would come into play and I can't see any other reason why Triceratops would evolve such defense to begin with other than to defend itself specifically against Tyrannosaurus, just like how T. rex would evolve weapons against Triceratops as you mentioned earlier. Sort of like an evolutionary arms race.

At least, imo, I think a Triceratops would mostly win, since we do not have much evidence to begin with as you mentioned.

[tepid gate]

I'm simply saying that it's not something we could really predict based on the very limited knowledge we have about those animals. I can however say that I think Triceratops should either have the upper hand or at least a 50/50 chance in the game, depending on how difficult both of them are to grow.

If Tyrannosaurus is more difficult to grow or takes longer then the chance should be 50/50. If they are both as difficult then Triceratops should have the upper hand in the confrontation between the two.

I believe this would be balanced because you make a trade-off where you opt into higher mobility of the tyrannosaur over Trike's greater power/greater ease of obtaining. In other words you either go for the Trike that's less demanding to obtain while it possesses the same level of firepower and bulk as Tyrannosaurus at the cost of mobility... or alternatively you get a more powerful animal in open combat at the cost of being less mobile and not as capable when it comes to travelling around.

[arctic nimbus]

I agree. For balance purposes, whichever animal takes longest to grow should have the slight upper hand in combat, but not too great of an imbalance that combat between the two is completely one-sided.

[tepid gate]

I think that the most important thing about this specific match up is that the player controlling Tyrannosaurus is the one who determines whether the confrontation takes place at all - therefore they should either have to work harder for the victory or have a 50/50 chance while risking more(in the case where growing the rex would be more time-consuming/demanding than growing a Trike)

[sonic cloud]

No one’s going to play Triceratops if T.rex has the upper hand in combat and is also faster than it

[tepid gate]

Well... we would basically have the same scenario as back in the legacy where Triceratopses were utter garbage unless they were in groups(while simultaneously being allowed to have larger groups than the other apexes). It's a scenario which I think we should aim to avoid.

[safe galleon]

yes, get rid of camas tail and shorten the neck

[night mountain]

yes

[cobalt compass]

imo, 1v1 trike and rex
avg trike > avg rex
avg trike <= good rex
good trike = skilled rex

i see 2 rexes always in favor over 1 trike

[safe galleon]

carnivores are more popular than herbis so that is the way to go imo

[cobalt compass]

an even fight is decided not by your skill, but of the faults your enemy is doing

and i assume to prevent mega herd by trikes like exceptionally more than 6 and you'd barely find any viable food

[wary sparrow]

Agreed imo the animal that can determine the confrontation should always have a bit of a harder time compared to the animal that can’t run but has to fight

[glossy sluice]

Wait, Camarasaurus is planned? How have I missed this? Is there a list somewhere of all the dinos announced or planned for Evrima?

[valid zephyr]

@zenith onyx ye I hope cosmetic customisation comes. Even if I wouldn't touch a feathered rex myself.

[edgy hamlet]

Compy, Homalo, Oro, Hypsi, Psitaco, Velo, Ovi, Ptera, Pela, Troodon, Beipi, Proto, Minmi, Dryo, Herra, Human, Austro, Tribal, Mono, Utah, Ava, Galli, Pachy, Dilo, Cerato, Megalania, Dibble, Titanoboa, Magy, Kentro, Bary, Tenonto, Carno, Alberto, Allo, Maia, Quetz, Plateo, Pachyrhino, Anky, Theri, Sucho, Acro, Stego, Trike, Giga, Deino, Tyranno, Spino, Shant, Cama, (hypos), Brachi should be all @glossy sluice

and no i didnt write that myself lol

[glossy sluice]

Thanks, @edgy hamlet ! May I ask what the source on that is?

[edgy hamlet]

thats all of the confirmed ones, uhh source is from someone else that wrote this lol, if its written down somewhere official i dont know about it

the only dino i didnt know about is plateo <-<

[glossy sluice]

Gotcha, well thank you very much!

[edgy hamlet]

np :d

[cobalt compass]

@odd token did you ever consider to just ignore the global? leaving it untouched or hide it with f6 or switch to local/group? i know global can be a pain, but you dont have to be bothered by it if you choose 🤷‍♂️

[valid zephyr]

I personally like global. Not for the convos, as I ignore those. But because it means the dinos on the map are constantly calling and making sounds, and the world feels alive. It means I can locate and eat noisy players.

When global is removed, the world just feels silent and dead, as people move their convos to discord.

[vestal hound]

Melonidas you kinda have to look into global if people keep location dropping and warning when a person actually hunting enters the area

[glossy sluice]

Quick follow-up question. What is the Oro? And is Pela a Pelagornis?

[valid zephyr]

orodromeus

[glossy sluice]

Thanks!

[valid zephyr]

and yeah pela is pelagornis

[glossy sluice]

👍

[tepid gate]

^ This so much. 99.9% of the time people don't say anything productive on global but it's a good thing that they say things at all. I swear official servers on legacy felt so dead due to everyone just using discord. I think we should do everything we can to encourage or even force people to use their calls instead of allowing everyone to play as if they aren't even there.

If I see someone saying something stupid in the global chat - I really don't have to respond. If someone is acting out to a really large degree you can always report that here on discord.

[spark maple]

Pachyrhino is coming?

[edgy hamlet]

yup

didnt excpect that tbh but nice i guess lol

[cobalt compass]

i agree with you, Aken and Ette. I just gave some options for Vurakles

[odd token]

You asking me that is just stupid. Of course I know that I can hide it. Especially you should know how harmful global chat is to the officials. Turning it off would create a sense of professionality we had back then on the official legacy servers.

[cobalt compass]

well, with ppl using global i find its a valid question in the sense of your suggestion. but the points stated by aken are valid one too

i've seen both sides of global, either being very polite, mostly on smaller private server and the opposite on larger ones...

in general its the amount of user who turn global into an apeshow

more user means more potential airheads

as always, dont imply i use any form of subtext, i dont.

[odd token]

Global chat right now on officials is a total mess. The fact that you don't have to respond or just can close the chat does not matter. What matters is that by having global turned on atm, it gives the many trash people/mega or mixpackers an option to pollute global chat and only make the general sense of the community worse. Yes, just like in Legacy official servers felt dead and everybody moved to discord. That's how it's supposed to be IMO.

You can't blame the game on officials to feel dead without global chat. Because this is how The Isle as hardcore sandbox survival game is supposed to be with humans and creatures. If you don't like this aspect of the game then feel free to move to other servers since the devs offer a variety of server possibilities.

@deep jetty What is it that you don't get?

[barren zephyr]

yea global is a mess, but turning it off isn't the solution

[deep jetty]

mean the one way to advertise eggs is by asking in global, if global was gone thered either have to be some sort of eggs available page or ppl would need to talk through somewhere else to advertise

aand you can just change the chat over to local or group if you dont want to see it

[cobalt compass]

but like aken said, which i agree on, ppl who talk in global are the easier targets and add "life" to the world

yes you have mix packers and the other superbrains, but if they use global, they make themself an easy target to be pickef on admins

[odd token]

It simply is. Because then you have a stronger sense of community that people can't just sit on rocks and talk shit in global

They'd do it anyway but with global turned off they don't have the option to.

[cobalt compass]

there're always 3rd party apps like discord

in the end it wouldnt matter if global being turned off or not

[brittle ivy]

Global is only temporary for official servers, just some technical difficulties with it atm on disabling it with the server software, from my understanding. It won’t stick around forever.

[cobalt compass]

smart mixpacker etc would use such

[deep jetty]

but what about egg advertisement? global is the main way to see if ppl want eggs, & if global isnt there either eggs are gonna be rare or limited to groups. or have some egg channel where you can post eggs you have available & ppl can click to ask

[odd token]

I know that the option for turning it off atm is bugged

[proud coral]

Their will be something with finding eggs in the spawn menu I think

[odd token]

I'm sure there's gonna be ways for that, but with global turned on it's not an option. Otherwise you can move to other servers with global turned on

[brittle ivy]

Correct

[barren zephyr]

global is one of the ways of advertising your packs, eggs, whatnot. It's a great way to talk, and it seems counter-intuitive to remove server wide interaction because there are idiots

[cobalt compass]

aye, the choice of the server to play on lays with you

if a certain server doesnt fit you preferences, pick another

[odd token]

You don't have global chat in DayZ. This game is supposed to be the same way as DayZ in its overall concept of the game. You either want the hardcore survival experience on officials or can go to other casual servers

[brittle ivy]

Global will always be a server toggle option for community servers, but officials will see it be removed as soon as the software is working correctly.

[cobalt compass]

honestly, if we could reach such level of hc survival i'd enjoy it even more

[odd token]

I'm fine with local/group chats being removed as well

[cyan flame]

How does the game become more hardcore with no global? I can see issues with people being questionable in the chat, sure, but it has no relation to if the game is hardcore or not. And the whole dead world because no one makes noise is a valid point, but that's an issue otherwise as well.

[cobalt compass]

im afraid that wouldnt work well

[barren zephyr]

If there is a good alternative to global, this would be a good idea, but for now, it seems like a bad idea until the devs get the software that Skysealer is talking about, this seems like a bad idea

Local and group chats are actually useful, no reason to remove them

[proud coral]

I agree removing it can make servers feel deader, but it adds more of a sense of being alone and survival. Global just makes it feel like one big chatroom

[odd token]

Because you have trash people sitting on rocks and talking shit in global, if global would be turned off you wouldn't encourage this type of behaviour of talking in global for the majority of your gameplay

[cyan flame]

Heh, a server with no ingame chat, now that would be interesting. But then people would never use ingame calls, and everyone would sit on discord.

That has nothing to do with the game being hardcore Vurakles

[proud coral]

Plus I don't have to deal with attacking someone then seeing in the chat "DUDE WHAT THE HECK I WAS FRIENDLY"

[odd token]

@cyan flame do you have played legacy on officials

[brittle ivy]

Local and group aren’t being removed.

[cyan flame]

Yes, I've played on officials mostly

[odd token]

then you get my point

[proud coral]

We just need to think of more ways to encourage call usage

[cyan flame]

I can agree that people shit talking is a bother, but it has nothing to do with the game itself

[odd token]

that is the point of it all

[deep jetty]

mean talking in global is a risk with the chat call, sooo if anyones too noisy they get hunted, win win

[odd token]

You want the survival experience plus your own ecosystem, not a big chatroom of trash people talking and lying or crybabies not being able to hold an L.

[paper oriole]

Am i the only one who loves reading salt from people dying in global

[odd token]

At least that's how I prefer it, and reason why officials are sacred

[proud coral]

It gets tiring after a while 😛

[paper oriole]

I suppose

[cyan flame]

If you can figure out a way to encourage communication with only ingame calls, then by all means, I wouldn't mind that at all.

[proud coral]

First they just need to fix calls in general. Tapping and holding has virtually no difference right now.

[odd token]

It worked with legacy and discord played a big part in it. You have to accept it

[cyan flame]

Using discord over ingame methods seems like bad design to me. Something's not quite right if third party programs are better than what the game offers. And as people have stated, legacy is way more silent and "dead", and that's boring in it's own way. If global helps to encourage ingame communication, then that much is good.

[barren zephyr]

Removing global chat would be fine with an alternative to all it's utilities, which we don't currently have. Once we do, this becomes an actual idea

[deep jetty]

imo the toxicity isnt enough to delete an entire feature. yea sure it isnt nice to see, but the noise ppl make when chatting is great for hunting them down, & ppl can find each other either by saying locations or directions. taking all that away would take out a lot of the gameplay

[paper oriole]

so are you saying you want cannibals to just be mercs who go apeshit and just start eating people for ??? reasons

[tepid gate]

I've played on official servers of the legacy for hundreds of hours and honestly - that experience was bad and outright inferior to any server with global chat. The fact that everyone sits quietly and doesn't have to say anything because they're all using discord was just atrocious making the whole game feel like it's just a dead, barren wasteland. Thank the heavens people call out and talk on global chat in Evrima 24/7.

Removing global doesn't do anything to combat rocktahs either since they can turn the game into a glorified chatroom plenty fine by using local and group chat. You're literally solving non-issues while creating actual issues.

The only actual potential problem with enabled global chat is the fact that people might give out positions of others on global but I think I can count on fingers of one hand how many times I've seen that happen on official servers over my last half a year in Evrima.

[dire ridge]

Global chat is "ON" on official legacy serv ? i don't remember that being the case. the only memory of global was on non official serv with rules if im not mistaken

but its been a while so maybe im wrong

[edgy hamlet]

I agree, especially with the new grouping System it will be really hard to find someone of your species, it sometimes makes the game be a little lifeless. But thats just my opinion

[edgy hamlet]

he/she meant Evrima i guess

[dire ridge]

oh my bad

imo, global chat or not, i still prefer to use discord/VC

[elder rivet]

@deep jetty great idea, normally i wouldn't agree with that since AI could drop frames pretty easily(cough cough Velos), however the devs seem to be at least trying to improve optimisation and hit detection every update so i agree

[tepid gate]

Indeed - I was saying that playing on officials in the legacy was an inferior experience to Evrima's officials or really any other servers due to how silent the whole world is.

[proud coral]

The problem with devs adding things only when they're "usable" is that's exactly what happened in legacy. They added creatures that weren't feature complete and we'd end up getting "placeholder" mechanics which just made everything feel unfinished.

[low dock]

I'm not talking about necessary mechanics like deinos lunge for example, im talking about if they made the deino lunge to the point where it works, then release it and polish up animations for it or whatever needs polishing later on. The base mechanics for dinos are a necessity for sure, don't want them to add placeholder mechanics

[crude girder]

See there are already mechanics, like pounce, that aren't complete, do we really want more of that?

If you really just want more content, regaurdless of quality, the devs could just start rapidly pumping out animals, Deino doesn't need its lunge, just use primary attack, Ptera doesn't need to fly, it can just run really fast and it still fits the niche of 'Flight over Fight' etc

Like we could use the Legacy style of all the animals are the same just with different stats and models, but personally I would rather see more complete and fleshed out animals than a bunch of half finished same-y ones

[elder rivet]

@latent helm git gud

[latent helm]

@elder rivet ?

What u mean

[elder rivet]

just turn left or right when a carno is going for you

[blissful onyx]

@latent helm heya! when dealing with carnos what you wanna do is juke them and head for a jungle were carnos cant move well. Going in between "v" shaped trees is great cause carno has to go around them. If you want to try to take one down you need to get in a group and try to target them when they are doing a hard turn.

im not sure how much faster utahs swim but carnos are extremely slow swimmers so maybe jumping across a river will give you a huge head start

[tepid gate]

It does give a huge headstart. Utah swims faster than Carno by default as well so even without a headstart you can still outswim a Carno. Overall Utah can survive against a Carno just fine if you play it correctly.

[dapper pulsar]

Bei feels out of place in that list.

Magy could be a semi-aquatic since it's carnivorous counterpart is above average in water.

Just make it pour out it's poison like a smell suit to avoid Deino

boom perfect animal

[paper oriole]

Magy idea: remove magy

[dapper pulsar]

Nah

Just give it ink or something

it an cerato got a cute thing and since it's tied to a good animal it shouldn't be removed

[night mountain]

"When cannibals get added, they should be added as a perk. The more you cannibalize the more monstrous you become. When fully turned into a cannibal, it should work as: the more humans you eat the stronger you get and to turn back into a normal human you’d have to eat things outside of humans ranging from Utah deino fish and stegos and maybe even to different types of plants. The max strength a cannibal should stop at when fully transformed should be as strong as a sub Rex as well, just to add a limiter to the amount someone eats." So to start you just have to randomly eat a person as a merc??

Actually yeah fund it

[vivid glen]

that adds the whole you cannot trust anyone vibe

i dig it

[urban flax]

So Beipiaosaurus is a carnivore now ? And Tenonto is going to be removed from the game ?

[barren zephyr]

What

[sudden kelp]

Beipi is an omnivore feeding on fish and frogs. It probably will be able to eat a hatch deino too. And tenonto is not a semiaquatic it just swims better than other land animals due to the fact that it lived in swamps and if it would suck at swimming no one would use the islands at sucho and bary swamp

[urban flax]

But adding more aquatic herbivores will just make life easier for aquatic carnivores since they will have more prey in their natural habitat. What I see in that configuration is that creatures like Deino WILL have to ambush land animals trying to drink to get its meal, and it's fine as is.
And beipi being omnivorous doesn't mean it being a "predator". It'll still be a prey for every other semiaquatic playable in the roster except for hatchlings.

[glossy sluice]

What would an omnivorous apex be...?

[barren zephyr]

Isn't theri going to be omnivorous?

[sudden kelp]

Yeah I think so

[dapper pulsar]

I might've given a small hint to what I'd want the omnivorous Apex to be.

I'd imagine any aquatic herbs would be faster than Deino, or have a gimmick to escape it, forcing it to ambush even under water.

Either that or make 'em tanky enough to beat the weak beta jaws of the fishers, and find an alternative solution for Deino.

[edgy hamlet]

Deinocheirus might be condidered but its not confirmed rn

[valid zephyr]

deinocheirus.

literally the only omnivore large tier animal.

Atop would be a good swimming herbi

@barren zephyr I reckon dryo would be a good nocturnal herbi. it's got huge eyes.

[glossy sluice]

Ah, cool. I didn't know that one was going in - I saw Deino and thought it was always referring to Deinosuchus. Looking at Deinocheirus, it definitely seems large, but do you think it would qualify as apex? Sure looks to be on equal or greater footing than the medium therapods, at least.

[urban flax]

It's bigger than a rex if I am correct

I'm not sure if this is accurate tho

Oh I didn't see the prehistoric wildlife in the bottom right corner
It's probably inaccurate then

[valid zephyr]

It's not a planned playable from what we know so it's probrably not going in sadly.

Also it's far heavier and larger than medium therapods. It's around 7 tons and is one of the largest theropods ever discovered.

4th for weight according to wikipedia.

[glossy sluice]

Cool. A new one for me. Thanks!

[barren zephyr]

That's a pretty good idea
Proto could also be a nocturnal/burrower
There's still plenty of room for ideas rather than having 20 grazers

[valid zephyr]

That thing wouldn't have a 50/50 matchup to utah. Let alone sucho.

[idle ibex]

How so

[sudden kelp]

Well a sucho was abt 3,5m tall this boi is abt 2m a sucho was abt 12m long this boi is 4 and a sucho weighted from 2500 to 5500 kg and estemmenosuchus weighted from 1200 to 1800 kg. Also its only defensive mechanism was its horns which probably wouldnt pose a threat to a apexunderdog like a sucho and it was slow on land and in water. But ofcourse it could be modified to a proper creature that would be balanced but why do that when they can choose a other animal.

[tiny sand]

Don’t add that it’s just theri but bigger

[barren zephyr]

theri and deino actually coexisted

[tiny sand]

Ok??

[barren zephyr]

then that falsifies your statement

[safe galleon]

it's really not theri tho

[tiny sand]

I mean if they add deino it just going to have the same attack as theri lol only thing different between them is how they look and how they eat lol

[safe galleon]

it'd likely more use its weight and long arms to wrestle down foes, plus having a bigger mouth it'd probly also have a bite

also how they eat makes a huge difference
for example fliers all basically look the same with different crests but their diet determins what niche they fill, for example scavanger or fisher

[tiny sand]

I guess you’re right

[safe galleon]

so while theri would spend most of its time on dry land and forests using its long arms to eat branches, cherry would spend its time in the swamp eating fish and seaweed

or to make it even more unique make it eat lily pads

[urban flax]

Deinocheirus is more different to theri than Alberto, Rex, Giga and Acro are to each other
Yet we're getting all of them

[valid zephyr]

theri is a 4.5 ton terrestrial herbivore.

cheirus is a 7 ton wading omnivore.

I fail to see how they're the same. They both have claws. That's it.

I'd argue that cheirus is more like isle spino than it is to theri. And even that's a stretch.

Rex and giga, or anky and stego are more alike than cheirus and theri.

[inner hound]

^

[dire ridge]

@rose flicker The Legacy version will not get updated anymore, all the focus will be on Evrima

[paper oriole]

Prebuilt nest sites are a no thanks unless we can still nest elsewhere, that shit would just get camped and deter nesting from herbis

[fervent fable]

You can still nest anywhere their just
An option

I should add that

[zenith onyx]

I agree with Angel though, if there are nests that still can be used, it would be easier for Omnivores like Ovi to actually find their food.

Prebuilt nests still are needed

[fervent fable]

Yeah

I mean it’s kinda hard
Finding people who actually nest

[sudden kelp]

@zenith onyx I absolutely love your idea abt velo!

[zenith onyx]

Thanks

what did u like about it @sudden kelp?

[fervent fable]

That Velo suggestion is perfect
Love it’s mechanic to catch its breath
And the feathers

[sudden kelp]

Well the new mechanics but mostly the abilyty to be a little fucker fucking up juvie carnos hopping on a tree and making them bleed out:). Also the spawn thing when u spawn in a nest

[zenith onyx]

Oh thanks, I wasn't sure if those ideas were that good.

I'm glad u guys liked them

[odd token]

@rose flicker Legacy is a dead game with no future. Better get used to it now

[zenith onyx]

you don't have to be so mean about it...

[odd token]

At what point am I being mean?

[zenith onyx]

your point blunt telling them what they deem as fun, to be dead...

[odd token]

Yeah cause its a dead version, as soon as we get more updates into evrima its gonna be deleted

[zenith onyx]

I understand that

[odd token]

I don't need to care about other people's feelings if they see it as fun I'm just stating facts

[zenith onyx]

ik, what im saying, is that you could have said it a little nicer, and still could have delivered that known fact about legacy

[fervent fable]

No but you can respect others feelings

[safe galleon]

@latent helm that's what perks are for and are confirmed

[glossy sluice]

@sudden kelp I hear you on not Update 3 for Beipi, but I think the Beipi actually makes more sense for Update 4 than 7. It would bring the new dinos in that update up to two, in line with all the others. Deino craze will have died down a little bit, and it will instead add new life & variety to the waters. Deinios would have something mechanically novel to hunt, Beipis will have to stay vigilant. Waiting for Update 4 also would let the devs deal with any bugs associated with Update 3 before adding another factor to the waters, so more stable & focused when they do go in.

Also, it would thematically be a good "bridge" dino between updates 3 & 5, being semi-aquatic and also likely an omnivore.

[glossy sluice]

Edit: Maybe just being a good swimmer is a better description than calling it seni-aquatic, but you take my meaning from a gameplay perspective.

[paper oriole]

Life hack: just switch servers lol

[left nacelle]

@dapper pulsar That sounds too similar to Albertosaurus imo

[paper oriole]

Looks even smaller than alberto lol but that tier already seems filled

No alberto is gonna leap around like that

[dapper pulsar]

Yes but Alberto can't do that.

Replace Alberto

[paper oriole]

But why tho

[left nacelle]

I think "alberto but can jump" isn't a reason to spend $1000+ on a new animal

[paper oriole]

Alberto but can jump sounds broken as fuck too lmao

[left nacelle]

And it doesn't make much sense, since there's animals in the game that are smaller than alberto but can't jump

[paper oriole]

Imagine an alberto sized pred leapin around like that

[dapper pulsar]

How small is Alberto?

[edgy hamlet]

theres literally allo, sub rex and alberto already, no need for more kinds of that size lol

[paper oriole]

Hes like 30-33 fr right

[dapper pulsar]

It's not that size tho

[paper oriole]

Id need to recheck

[dapper pulsar]

I was thinking Small Tyrannosaurids

Like the boi

[paper oriole]

So how would that differ from mono and the like

[edgy hamlet]

theres so many creatures in those sizes, also juvi and sub rex will basically be just that

[paper oriole]

That tier is packed already, you'd be hard pressed to make anything unique without making it awkward

[left nacelle]

That just looks like a feathered dilo imo

[dapper pulsar]

What is Mono confirmed to do?

That's racism Bluebird.

[edgy hamlet]

also dont think you know how much money it costs to add just one dino mirror

[left nacelle]

It's gonna be venomous I believe

[paper oriole]

Mono isnt venomous as far as ive heard

[left nacelle]

Maybe I'm getting mixed up then

[paper oriole]

Mega is probably the third venomous animal

[left nacelle]

Ahhh right, forgot about Mega

[paper oriole]

Ive heard people discuss mono being an amazing tracker compared to other preds because of his big nose but i dont think thats official

[edgy hamlet]

theres not really any information about it yet yeah

[dapper pulsar]

Have they given out the amount of money they spend per animal? Or like an average?

[left nacelle]

Dondi said it's like $7000 per animal, but that was back before Evrima, so it's probably more now

[edgy hamlet]

Its enough to spend their money on a more unique thing than a small tyrannosaurid lol

[dapper pulsar]

Ok so let's say 15,000 dollars

[paper oriole]

Im still in awe they dumped money on magy like that

[dapper pulsar]

They have 5 ceratopsids planned

That's not

[left nacelle]

But they all have their own unique attributes and they're all different sizes

[edgy hamlet]

who are all different from eachother. We dont need more mid-tier carnis, atleast not something like a small tyrannosaurus version

[paper oriole]

“Small super agile loner tyrannosaurid” just sounds like a tough utah how bout making it unique

[left nacelle]

Plus it would be weird to allow something that big to leap around but then prevent something like allo from doing that. It just wouldn't make sense compared to the other animals

[edgy hamlet]

if you gave us a look at how its different from the others then i may change my mind

but rn i dont see how its unique

[safe galleon]

@grizzled reef ovi is confirmed and on the roadmap

[edgy hamlet]

Id rather see Deinocheirus or something, the most unique thing they could add

[paper oriole]

Deinocheirus, prestosuchus and tupandactylus/europejara are 3 things thatd be great to see that can be unique

[fervent fable]

yeah

[paper oriole]

A burrowing tyrannosaurid... noooooo

[fervent fable]

Hm.. no I don’t think
A Tyrannosaur but burrow

[edgy hamlet]

[paper oriole]

Dont see something with that anatomy scaling mountains either

[edgy hamlet]

hes typing a long time so lets see what the arguments are i guess lol

[paper oriole]

May as well

[fervent fable]

@dapper pulsar
Ok listen, Search up a modern
Day animal that is compared to the creature you
Want, see if that niche works with it
Then post it, also suggest a diet for it too

[paper oriole]

Ive seen an old suggestiom for nocturnal glass cannon crusher yutyrannus which could be unique but thats as far as i can think of for adding a new tyrant

[edgy hamlet]

that would lead to the tarbo debate again probs

[paper oriole]

Probs simce its so similar to albert in size

[left nacelle]

<@&505047238674874368> Uhhhh

[paper oriole]

<@&401466542140817419>

[edgy hamlet]

eeeh in feedback too admins.. can ya clean it up please

ty ty

[torn thistle]

Bopped 'em

[paper oriole]

Ugh i wish trolls as least tried to be amusing or something where's the effort

Ty ty

[edgy hamlet]

lol ikr

[twin burrow]

lol

[edgy hamlet]

damn mirror do be writing a whole book

[left nacelle]

Yeah I'm super invested in this now lol

[glass mulch]

Mirror is just gonna say like "a"

Wait are we talking about Yuty :/

[edgy hamlet]

is it bad that i'd actually find this funny

[fervent fable]

Another small tyrannosaur
That isn’t viable

[glass mulch]

It isn't even a tyrannosaur

[edgy hamlet]

yeah i wanna see his arguments👀

[glass mulch]

It is a god damn proceratosaurid

[paper oriole]

Acrobat alberto

[glass mulch]

(which is a tyrannosauroid but still)

[paper oriole]

Utahtyrannus

[glass mulch]

Also it isn't close to alberto size

way smaller

Albertosaurus: 2600kg 9 meters long and 2.8 meters tall
Yutyrannus: 1500kg, 8 meters long and 2.4 meters tall

Although it doesn't really have an established niche

[paper oriole]

Guess yut could be unique then as a glass cannon but idk

I can try to find the suggestion

[edgy hamlet]

@zenith onyx As long as there is a long cooldown maybe, but otherwise people will just abuse it

[glass mulch]

Mirror is a 3 time argument winner.... i feel like im about to get wrecked

[zenith onyx]

Rex do taht in here

[dapper pulsar]

Even if all the ceratopsids have a unique niche, wouldn't it be better to give those unique niches to a more unique animal?

[glass mulch]

...

[zenith onyx]

@latent helm do taht in here

[edgy hamlet]

is this all you typed

[zenith onyx]

not int eh General idea posting

[glass mulch]

You have been typing for like 7 minutes....

[paper oriole]

#general-feedback message

[dapper pulsar]

Yeah, but everything I wrote was bad. Guanlong's a bad idea.

[edgy hamlet]

well a small tyrannosaurid wouldnt be more unique

[left nacelle]

All the ceratopsids are pretty unique from each other tho

[paper oriole]

Ceratopsoans are also a very extensive group compared to other irl so it makes sense for that to be reflected ingame

[edgy hamlet]

wow youre the first one to actually give in lol, im impressed by that. But yeah id rather see Deinocheirus or presto being added so we have the most unique dinosaurs possible

[dapper pulsar]

Yeah but so are dromaeosaurs but how many of those do we have?

That's an actual question

Is it like 3?

Yeah 3

Austro

[paper oriole]

Velo, austro, utah. Dakota is dumped as far as i know

[glass mulch]

3 dromeosaurs and 1 troodontid

Austroraptor, Velociraptor and Utahraptor

And then Troodon

[dapper pulsar]

Actually some of my ideas could be applied to different animals so ima post them

Wrong, Dimetro's more unique than Deino. Anyway, A small Tyrannosaurid could be given a variety of different abilities.

1. Hearing. Genetic modifications have given it the ability to hear good. It has arrows on it's hud pointing towards sounds, and there are perks that compromise your ability to become elder that allow you to identify the size and diet of an animal through shades of red and green.
2. Mobility. It can climb rocks to chase after animals with similar mobility, ruin some happy ptera homes, and escape predators. It can make vertical nests on the sides of cliffs and rocks which it can enter.
   For burrowing maybe it could set traps for other burrow raiders by disguising it as that of other animals. They would have poor structural integrity so attempts to live inside of it could be fatal.
   Another ability could be the ability to bathe in different dusts each with a different effect.
   There are a lot of routes you could go with this like each one removing a debuff or are just longer lasting mud. The way I would like to go is applying debuffs to your attackers. One of the dusts makes your attacker start hallucinating, another is a blood thinner that makes attacks do a lot more bleed, yet another makes an animal's thirst decrease rapidly, and my final thought up one is defensive. Kinda like a one hit shield, but that'll probably be bad. All of these would be very clearly displayed by the animal, maybe by a line on it's back that stays a universal color regardless of skin customization(or just make the entire animal a weird color) and all of which could be shaken off to form a dust cloud for escape. The dust cloud doesn't provide negative effects. I was thinking that maybe the dust is only good for one attack before you need to re-dust.

[glass mulch]

Climbing for a 1.4 ton animal bruuuhh

[dapper pulsar]

Bitch it's like 200 pounds

[glass mulch]

Wait which animal are we talking about here....

[glass mulch]

Im so confused

[dapper pulsar]

Donglong

[glass mulch]

Oh

[edgy hamlet]

Sure might have some good niches, but in my opinion Cherry, Presto and those are still twice as unique

[glass mulch]

Well.. we have 50 animals confirmed (more coming) and im pretty sure almost every niche will be taken at that point

[dapper pulsar]

Sometimes several times.

[edgy hamlet]

Yeah but why take a niche several times if you could make a whole new one with a new kind of dinosaur