general-feedback-discussion

[hybrid matrix]

like the episode from walking with dinosaurs at the end of the series

[sonic cloud]

@kind spruce legacy’s dead and isn’t being worked on, just play Evrima

[kind spruce]

Evrima doesn’t interest me as much as of right now, empty servers from my EU experience and limited dinos making it unenjoyable for the most part

[paper geyser]

servers are almost always full, try teutonic and officials

[hybrid matrix]

limited dinos is an issue for legacy dinos bc theyre boring, evrima dinos r cool so just bc theyre limited doesnt mean they arent fun

[tepid gate]

Acro's proportions are nowhere close to normal. They are very much off to put it mildly, caricatural if I'm to speak frankly. The tail is way too short, the head is absurdly large. The animal should be significantly longer if it's supposed to be that tall. If you were to put an actual skeletal of Acrocanthosaurus on top of this creature you'd realise that if you scale them to the same length concept art Acro is almost twice taller at the hip than the real animal. This process was likely done to imply that Acro is a massive, bulky predator however the proportions go hit so hard that the animal looks outright cartoonish.

[hybrid matrix]

something about acro never looked right to me, now i realize that it was the tail
the tail is def way too short

[tepid gate]

Real life Alberto isn't between Acro and Allo in size either. It's pretty much the same size as the Allosaurus(Allo being marginally to a bit heavier when we take into account the largest individuals(, if it's meant to occupy a niche of a predator larger and more powerful than Allo then it's not the right tyrannosaurid for that.

And yes, Acro's tail is absolutely too short, I've seen an edit where someone made it longer and it instantly looked much better and far more natural.

[hybrid matrix]

show this to me

[tepid gate]

There are also other issues with Acro's design but the proportions are my main problem with the concept art. In general I find the concept just outright ugly due to the design decisions but those are just aesthetic preferences. The proportions are just messed up and that's an objective problem.

It was posted on this channel but I've seen it ages ago.

I will try to dig for it.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/703254508909756539/774022668893814824/unknown.png

This is the one with an elongated tail.

[hybrid matrix]

OH YES THAT IS SO GOOD
MWAH
B E S T THING I EVER SAW

[tepid gate]

Hmm I think there was another edited concept that looked better, give me a second

This one has fixed proportions and a skin given to it however it's still a variant based on the concept art we've all seen:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/773905780041580628/unknown.png

[hybrid matrix]

so pretty

[barren zephyr]

That looks lovely aken

[tepid gate]

It's not my work

[barren zephyr]

oh

[twin burrow]

That's Slouping's

[tepid gate]

It's Slouping's

yea

[barren zephyr]

ok

[tepid gate]

I just reposted it after taking it from the general feedback channel, you guys probably just missed it as it was posted there ages ago back when Acro concept came out.

[zenith onyx]

@stoic orbit Next time put it in this channel

[barren zephyr]

well it's pog anyway

[tepid gate]

Yea I will pass your praise to him when I speak to him. I agree it's probably the best edit of Acro and I'd actually like this to make it into the game.

[zenith onyx]

And also, I looked up this stuff okay, it was in there and its still has the same truth on it as the "Up to Date"

[hybrid matrix]

feathered bertie is cool

[valid zephyr]

That slouping acro is amazing. It's recognisable as the animal it's meant to be too.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/703254508909756539/774022668893814824/unknown.png

Even just giving the original concept a neck and longer tail helps.

[glossy matrix]

What

Avaceratops didnt even live with Albertosaurus

[hybrid matrix]

i cant find anywhere if they lived together, google keeps avoiding the question and spitting out shit that barely relates to my search

[valid zephyr]

I mean ava was found in Montana, and Alberto was found in... Alberta.

Regions right next to each other.

[jovial otter]

Look up what eras they lived in

[valid zephyr]

Relatively close eras, but not quite overlapping seemingly.

71 mya vs 77 mya

[sonic cloud]

I feel like the last shitty thing with Acro is the oversized head

It’s just stupid looking

[tepid gate]

It is a common thing for some of those designs that are argued against - the head being too large in comparison to the torso.

[sonic cloud]

Don’t even know why the devs decided that it looked good

“Hmm yeah you know this animal needs? Bobblehead”

[valid zephyr]

new alberto has the chibi head too

[sonic cloud]

Alberto is even worse

Both designs are vomit-inducing

Absolute shit

I’m really not looking forward to seeing mattel figures in-game

Same energy

[valid zephyr]

[warm current]

But in your view that Alberto will differentiate himself from Allo? Except of course the anatomy?
And what is the advantage for the gameplay in having another dinosaur the size of Allo?
Cerato is a little smaller and is a disappointment! I'm even hoping for Evrima to improve the cerato situation.

[tepid gate]

Two dinosaurs of the same size can indeed have completely different playstyles. Cerato is not just a little smaller the actual animal is significantly smaller than the two aforementioned theropods.

[warm current]

Ok friend, the real dino could be in many ways ...

But this is a game! You have to weigh the real with the playable.

For the game, would there be an advantage in having one more dino about the size of an Allo?

I have doubts

But I really liked the model and the skin that @zenith onyx posted this afternoon in #general-feedback

[warm current]

And I really liked that first concept.

[tepid gate]

Yes, there are advantages to having more than one theropod of the same size. If the devs needed a larger tyrannosaur they should've gone for a different species not the Albertosaurus which is the size of Allo.

We're already getting animals of just as similar sizes in the small tier and yet nobody's complaining about them.

[warm current]

For me the more species in the game the better it will be! So, if you want to do Alberto as you suggested and add new species for me, that's great.

[tepid gate]

It's not that I'm suggesting that it should be the size of an Allo - Albertosaurus is literally the closest tyrannosaurid to Allo size-wise. If the devs wanted something bigger and more powerful they could've chosen Daspletosaurus or Tarbosaurus yet they went for their much more gracile cousin.

[hybrid matrix]

tbh i think with some adjustments the acro could work, alberto is jsut ugly

[barren zephyr]

Alberto reminds me of that dent head meme

[azure wadi]

[fast zodiac]

[glossy matrix]

Tarbo is a Rex clone

[barren zephyr]

Yes

It's rex but Mongolian

[barren zephyr]

FFS a pc based acro model would work better

Leancro over fatcro

[frank slate]

always loved that acro model

sleek design

[barren zephyr]

It's sleek, fast and the perfect in-between "link" between Allo and Giga

[white spruce]

Fatcro would be better than that

makes it more distinct from allo

notice how PC itself turns its acro into an allo all the time using mutations?

[barren zephyr]

It does, frankly enough

But shouldn't giga be the giant sauropod hunter instead?

[wintry monolith]

@kind spruce you have a filter option where you can search for names taht wont clear out when you turn off The isle so you can just search for the server name and then refresh it tahats a bit like adding favorits

[barren zephyr]

Also, Allosaurus, Acrocanthosaurus and Giganotosaurus are all Allosauroids

They're related to eachother, so them sharing similar appearances should make sense.

[tepid gate]

@glossy matrix Yesn't, Tarbo is half the size of the largest Rexes. We already have a lot of clones of other animals(Acro being a discount Giga and Sucho being a slightly larger Baryonyx). I personally wouldn't want Tarbo to be added but if Alberto is meant to be a lot larger than Allo then that's basically Tarbo/Daspleto(depending on what its size is exactly) being added under a different name.

[sonic cloud]

Pretty sure Baryonyx is the clone if Sucho not the other way around

[tepid gate]

AS for the PCE Acro - it's likely the best looking Acro in any game, however we don't need Acro to be a perfect in-between link between Allo and Giga since Acro is already to Giga what Tarbo is to Rex. The fact that the devs made it more distinct in certain ways is actually good.

Yes and no, I think Bary was added first, it was also discovered first and Sucho was at times referred to as "the African species of Baryonyx" after it was found

[sonic cloud]

No it wasn’t

[tepid gate]

Their existence overlapped also

[sonic cloud]

In all iterations of the game Suchomimus was added first

[tepid gate]

oh, nvm then, Bary simply had a really ugly model

I thought it more dated than the old Sucho model and assumed it was added first because of that

[sonic cloud]

Acro was also discovered before Giga so I guess it makes Giga the clone?

[tepid gate]

You could say that

[sonic cloud]

Despite the fact it isn’t

[tepid gate]

They are all closely related animals, Acro is the furthest one from Giga out of all those cases but these animals basically function in the same way as their relatives.

They are just as redundant with one another as Tarbo is with Rex.

Which again - is an argument in favour of our... unnaturally designed Acro.

over the Acro that's been posted up there. the latter one might be better looking and far better reflect the look of the actual animal but it would be redundant with its more derived and larger relative.

I always find it funny how people will pile up on Tarbosaurus being a Rex clone yet ignore all the other cases where animals that are clones of other animals got added to the game.

Also if it makes that much of a difference to you then that's fine - Bary is the Sucho clone, I really don't care about the specifics of which one was added first, the point is that they are just as similar to one another as the two largest tyrannosaurids.

[stoic orbit]

@modest crystal dude what are you even talking about

It’s not the same “truth” that skeletal was out of date the one I posted was the most up to date

[glossy matrix]

what

how tf would that work

sucho is from africa

and baryonyx is bri'ish

[tepid gate]

Not in terms of the area, them both existing around the same time is what I was talking about.

[inner hound]

i expect nothing but chad animations from Arvid

[barren zephyr]

Look lemme sort this out

Opimally, if wanting realism, there should only be one primary apex predator for The Isle, unless you want to have different creatures for different maps

Except of course realism doesn't always work out too well in this game

[tepid gate]

There are ways of having the animals balanced out while having more than one apex, they can all simply be good at different things and cater to different playstyles.

[barren zephyr]

But for the allosaurs, them sharing common traits and not being highly distinct from each other would be good.

Strengthening the family resemblance.

[zenith onyx]

@stoic orbit, your up to date example is almost exactly the same as my example. The date the info was released. The size comparison. The only thing I could distinguish that was differen't from either of them, was mine had a slight bigger ridge on its snout. Other then that, there was no difference.

Oh and how the information was organized on the picture... can't leave that out

[dapper pulsar]

Lake bubble go brrr

[barren zephyr]

For that statement, you will perish

I haven't developed much sympathy for fatso, you don't have an excuse

and yes, from now on I'm mockingly calling it fatso

Untill I see the model

[dapper pulsar]

I don't wanna read, who's being dumb here?

Send a mp3 file of you saying it.

[barren zephyr]

He is an adorable and gud boi

Yes, but fat

Ironically enough giga should be the fatass

It's bigger than acro by a fair bit.

[dapper pulsar]

Tank buster Acro

[barren zephyr]

He chomky

[valid zephyr]

Maybe fatcro won't have an elder stage, as high cholesterol stops it reaching it?

[barren zephyr]

And Fatso is what dino?

[sonic cloud]

Lol

Heartattack strain

[dapper pulsar]

We can only hope.

[sonic cloud]

“I can’t sneak up on these sauropods because I’m dummy thicc and the clap of my cheeks keeps alerting them to my presence”

[dapper pulsar]

Acro's strategy in combat is having more to lose

You gotta peel back the layers

[valid zephyr]

I just love this acro.

[sonic cloud]

Acro’s are like onions

[barren zephyr]

that fat acro design

It's preposterously fat

[dapper pulsar]

Acro has more to lose

You have to take more off of it

[zenith onyx]

Well they forgot to adjust the screen for this model, if they fix that, that model is just fine

[dapper pulsar]

Strats

[sonic cloud]

What we wanted

What we got

[dapper pulsar]

Acro wallow makes it become 8 feet wide

[sonic cloud]

Acro be wide

That ridge was used to stabilise his bulk

[barren zephyr]

We could actually have, instead of acro, Siats

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siats

[sonic cloud]

Replace one big Allosaurid with another big Allosaurid lol

[barren zephyr]

There isn't a lot of material of it, however.

[dapper pulsar]

Saurophaganax please

[sonic cloud]

What’s the difference

[dapper pulsar]

Name cooll

[barren zephyr]

Frankly enough there actually isn't too much of a difference

[sonic cloud]

Fr tho, fatcro would be decent if it had a longer tail & neck and a smaller head

But they had to go chibify it

[barren zephyr]

Since it's more fragmentary, you can be more speculative

[dapper pulsar]

It better look cute as a baby

[sonic cloud]

They already made Acro super speculative lol

[barren zephyr]

But that also can result in some scientific fuck-ups if more material is found.

[sonic cloud]

Being fragmentary or not didn’t make a difference

[dapper pulsar]

I better want to hug Fatcro baby as much as I want to do to Cerato baby

[barren zephyr]

Fat gaming

Ngl

Fatcro would be fine if it's next wasn't so fucking big

Neck*

Other than that it looks ok, still fat but at least he has a neck

The new giga model looks ugly as heck imo

Legacy giga was better

More character

And somewhat spooky

[barren zephyr]

We got better

[barren zephyr]

Nah it’s fine

What’s wrong with it

[glossy matrix]

why can't we have that

jacob made it

[glossy matrix]

n o

[barren zephyr]

We got an even better boi

[glossy matrix]

there's literally ZERO point

it's just less interesting

[sonic cloud]

Liking ugly shit and having an unpopular opinion doesn’t make you cool @barren zephyr

[glossy matrix]

allo clone

[barren zephyr]

It’s not about being cool. They’re just adorable and I want to know what’s wrong with it

[barren zephyr]

Chonky allo

[glossy matrix]

no

it is literally allo

[barren zephyr]

[glossy matrix]

like seriously

it can be considered a species of allo

it's that similar

[barren zephyr]

Whatre we discussing, I cant see replies on mobile

[glossy matrix]

at least tarbo is split

[glossy matrix]

don't be a redditor bro

[barren zephyr]

He's got the anime pfp whatd u expect

joke

what... I just wanted to joke...

[warm current]

I already think that in favor of the gameplay Alberto could remain at the current level of strength. Maybe just an update of your model.

On the other hand, Allo ... well, I like the current model, I like the way it moves. But I find it not too intimidating.

I think adding the old model also in the game simulating Allo Fragilis and Saurophaganax.

The old model of Allo in my opinion intimidated much more with his way of moving. Of course, they could update the model ... put a little more size and strength in relation to the fragilis, but that would add more to the game than reducing Alberto's strength or size.

@tepid gate

[glossy matrix]

theres no point to add sauro

its worse than tarbo

[barren zephyr]

h

[tepid gate]

Siats is far better than Acro and I'd be in favour of it replacing Acro any day of the week(as for the comment that it's one allosaurid replacing another one - neither Acro nor Siats are allosaurids, they are allosauroids which is a much larger group). However Acro is already on the roster and it has a decently large following in the playerbase so I don't think it's a wise decision to remove it. Matter of fact I believe that most of the redundant animals on the roster are here to stay mainly because the developers don't want to spite the people that grew to like those animals. Admittedly I still think that this will create a lot of issues for the dev team in the future but I suppose they're ready to face them rather than anger those segments of the playerbase.

Having said that: Tarbo and Sauro are really redundant. Alberto itself should not be stronger than an Allosaurus simply due to the fact that it's really counterproductive to what those animals actually are - it's like adding Tarbo and making it stronger or equal to Giga - it's not the right animal to fit that role. The same way Albertosaurus shouldn't be this enormous, beefy brawler. There are dinosaurs, even tyrannosaurids that fit this niche much better than the relatively gracile, agile and yet decently powerful Albertosaurus.

[sonic cloud]

Siats is literally just another large Allosauroid

It’s literally Acro but instead of bulky with a sail, it’s fast

[tepid gate]

The main advantage of Siats is that due to how recently it was found we don't know that much about it therefore it allows for more creativity when it comes to its design. If it was up to me I'd probably refrain from interpreting it as a neovenatorid or carcharodontosaurid for the sake of the game and instead make it a relatively large megaraptoran(which it was speculated to be at a certain point in time although I think it's now considered obsolete). Its size can also be manipulated to some extent due to the fact that the 3.5t individual found appears to be a immature specimen allowing the devs to put it at just about any size that would fit the game while not being necessarily inaccurate.

[sonic cloud]

I mean if you compare Fatcro to real Acro it’s clear that whether or not the animal has a lot of remains has zero bearing on how the devs designed the animal. So that’s really not an argument

Like if your argument is “this thing is frag so the devs can fictionalise it” you clearly have paid attention to Acro and Alberto

[tepid gate]

While that is true there's quite a bit of backlash about the animals being far from what they actually were in real life which can be seen even in this thread.

Not to mention Acro specifically has a lot bigger issues than just being inaccurate.

[sonic cloud]

Yeah but realistically do you think those designs are going to change? Take a look at how much Anky changed after all our feedback, so backlash and being unpopular clearly won’t affect anything

[tepid gate]

Yes and no, I think there's a half decent chance that Acro will change to some extent - this is because it's mainly the profile view that's so messed up. The 3/4 view of the concept art seems much better in terms of its proportions.

While I have some issues with the concept art itself and its style I don't think it's a big problem that the animal isn't to my liking - that's just my subjective opinion. I mainly want to avoid having a cartoonish animal in a rather serious game.

And Acro looks like a character from a cartoon for children, it really does.

[sonic cloud]

Oh yeah

Honestly looks horrible

But I expect that nothing about the design will change

[tepid gate]

I think the issue to some extent is that the voice of the community as to what the problem with it is exactly is not exactly clear. Some people complain about it being fat - which indeed is an issue if you want an accurate animal. To me it's a secondary problem and I don't really mind it. The main issues are that the head is too big, the entire animal is too "tall" and not long enough. I think that if the community can make a coherent criticism that the majority of people agree on there's a decent chance that the devs will listen to us and apply some changes to the actual model.

[sonic cloud]

I agree with your criticism’s 100%

My biggest “this is absolute garbage” factor is the head and neck being too large and too short respectively but frankly I’m starting to not get bothered by the rest of the design also the hump looks inconsistent being both wide and spiky

Iirc the devs have a habit of basing their animals off of Scott Hartman skeletals so I doubt the length/height ratio will change a tonne

Scott’s Acro may not be as long legged as Carno or Alberto but they’re decently long it’s just in a walking pose

[tepid gate]

If I were to criticise the things that I subjectively dislike the list would then get longer - I think that the tumour like structure on the back of the neck looks absolutely disgusting. The claws on the forelimbs are too short and the crests on the head are completely unnecessary - I understand that they are an artistic choice but why add them if they are quite minimal on the actual animal which is a trait that distinguishes it from most of its relatives.

[sonic cloud]

Yeah the tumor ridge is what I mean but inconsistent sail

It’s thin and spiky on the back and then just... flab... on the back of the neck

Claws could definitely be longer considering it’s an Allosaur

[tepid gate]

The claws don't seem to just be small, they also look really dull and blunt. I don't know why it was designed like this but perhaps it's meant to portray it as a more bulky animal or something and putting sharper claws would somehow have negative effect on the perception of the animal?

[glossy matrix]

that's a trash argument

its the isle for fucks sake

the devs are gonna go wacko on the design even if we knew what it looked like 100%

[tepid gate]

Yes, which then gets the reaction that Anky's design got from the community, same goes for Austro, Acro and Alberto.

[glossy matrix]

which doesn't change anything

since they already made the anky model

and by this point probably the austro too

and besides

siats is a shit genus

i don't want to play as a few vertebrae, a partial hip and a partial leg bone

you can put as many bells and whistles on it as you want, but in the end

if the dino itself has no substance to it

what's the point

i see this problem a lot with Path of Titans

they seem to choose genera only on the basis of being unpopular or obscure

[tepid gate]

It doesn't change anything of course, they might go full Ark: Survival Evolved on the roster at the end of the day if they want, it would be extremely disappointing but it is a possibility indeed.

[valid zephyr]

More than a possibility. It's already happened.

At least with the newest few designs.

[vocal echo]

guys why is there so little "flesh" and stuff over the skull of that skeleton? is that how it is in dinosaurs (or i mean the most widely accepted version) ? i would like to know
im reffering to the scott hartmann one

[tepid gate]

That's how those animals on the skeletals are or perhaps were restored. I think there's a trend to put on some more flesh on the skeletals now but in general there wouldn't be too much of it.

[glossy matrix]

skeletals tend to put on as little soft tissue as is reasonable

I think it's to prevent confusion for people trying to reconstruct the animal

[safe galleon]

@barren zephyr the devs are on break rn

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

Just saw it

I like it how you can get answers from simple reactions

[thin fulcrum]

The wonders of emojis

[warm current]

I even think there could be some mechanics about what you said. Something related to discomfort. But, it does not seem interesting to me the obligation of the player to take shelter so as not to die slowly due to this discomfort @short jewel

Imagine raining and all the players standing under a tree or a stone to avoid taking damage.

[thin fulcrum]

Considering its a tropical climate I doubt the rain would be cold enough to effect a dino too badly. However, it could effect the environment, Herbis could get water form eating bushes; in which the water would've collected on the leaves, and similar to legacy perhaps sniffing is less effective, as well as these perhaps rain could wash away mud from wallowing.

[modest kayak]

Reptiles do need to bask in the sun though. Some sun basking mechanic to restore some buff would be interesting.

[thin fulcrum]

Oh yeah deffo a basking mechanic!

[white spruce]

birds don't really bask that much

Rain is generally cold regardless of location by the way, it gets rid of your heat through conduction and would generally be colder than I believe the in game creature's blood temperatures would be

[ashen wasp]

I’ve seen vultures basking all the time

“Praise the sun” and all that

[white spruce]

Not the way I think pixels is mentioning it, I believe

dinosaurs are not cold blooded animals and even if they were, most of the roster would still be so large that they'd be subject to gigantothermy

From a gameplay perspective, I think it'd be neat if staying in rain slowly reduced your desire points or whatever they are. It would have to be specific species that are easily able to hide into the trees, though. Probably more of the smaller creatures.

[modest kayak]

Dinos are in between, so no real answer on whether they basked or not.

Interesting read: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-science-dinosaurs-idUSKBN0EN2C920140612

Basking mechanic or rain mechanic could just vaguely affect “comfort” ratings.

More comfortable characters perform more efficiently, I.e. stamina, water loss rate, etc.

[white spruce]

Not only is this debate more up in the air than that, but it's still not important. Mesotherms do not bask anywhere near as much as ectotherms, and most of our roster would be so large that their gigantic sizes would keep them warm just as if they were endotherms.

Plenty of the smaller animals in the game are closer to birds, and would therefore lean less mesotherm and more endotherm

[modest kayak]

Switching gears a bit. I’m sure multiple character slots has been discussed to death at this point. But I would think having a character swap cool down would solve a lot of the risks involved with letting people play with different characters?

[barren zephyr]

Tyrannosaurs and other large theropods probably didn't need to bask

They were gigantotherms, which relied mostly on food and their size alone to keep themselves at a steady body temperature

[dapper pulsar]

Wait what's the argument against Tarbo again?

I wanna see how I can make adding bigger Allo seem like the good side.

[tepid gate]

Argument against Tarbo is that it's basically a smaller Rex(you could call it a dinosaur that's basically a lifestage of T.rex - a large subadult/young adult to be precise). It's visually very similar to T.rex as well. While I'm not in favour of this animal I just find this argument quite hypocritical as there are multiple other animals in the game that are very much similar to another dinosaur to the point where they could work as life-stages of their larger relative(Bary for Sucho and Ava for Trike for example).

[paper oriole]

Tarbo is too close to the full adult version of rex to be worth it tho, bary differs from sucho in that it is more mobile/nimble, ava is way smaller than trike

Tarbo would basically just be a weak adult rex and thats not worth the money for a model, sounds, animations and mechanics

Upvoting your own suggestion

[thin fulcrum]

Not the end of the world.

[stoic orbit]

Exactly, your reference was not up to date. How many times am I going to have to say that? Ofc it’s not gonna be a huge difference, it’s the exact same animal made by the same person. What I’m trying to communicate to you is that the skeletal that you posted isn’t the most accurate and up to date.

I don’t understand why you’re like not comprehending that and trying to argue something else

Simply the skeletal you posted isn’t up to date like I said originally

[barren zephyr]

@modest kayak for me dinosaurs ARE birds because the birds evolved from them so they would be simillar. Only one not included this time would be deinosuchus because this one is infact a reptile. But its the only "real" coldblooded reptile in the game

Alongside Megalania

[modest kayak]

Birds have been observed to sun themselves though.

[barren zephyr]

Yes

Im not even arguing bout that

[modest kayak]

And yes on deino for sure!

It’s hard enough regulating 3 attributes. I don’t even know why I’m talking about another lol

[barren zephyr]

I work in a place that have been working with birds of all kinds since 1980. They biologists here have alot of knowledge about birds. Singing birds and semi aquatic ones are more likley to sun themselves. The question now is: how close are they related to dinosaurs? Each niche haa unique behaviours. Lets take carnivouros birds. They do not really sun themselves that often but are they closer related to dinosaurs or not? Id take the behaviour of the closed related bird to dinosaurs and make it a thing in the actual game. Yet dinosaurs also have unique behaviours.

[stoic orbit]

People forget dinosaurs are reptiles

Birds are the direct descendants of avian theropods

You can literally look up dinosaur and it tells you they’re reptiles

[paper geyser]

yeah biologically they are dinosaurs

they might not be a t. rex but they are still dinosaurs, just smaller and more feathery

[dapper pulsar]

People say "Non-avian" for a reason.

Also we have 5 ceratopsids not counting Taco

[barren zephyr]

Taco is a cerato paid?

*ceratopsid

[dapper pulsar]

Some people count Taco, I'm stating that I am not.

It's a ceratopsian, but I think counting it's a bit cheap.

[white spruce]

Realistically speaking, very few of the in game species would need to bask. Even the cold blooded lads we currently have would be extreme gigantotherms. Dinosaurs basking is no different in this situation as a mammal doing the same. It shouldn't be a desired behavior that is pushed for.

I 100% agree with some smaller or less plains specific creatures being encouraged to get out of the rain, but I don't think a basking mechanic would need to happen alongside it.

[tepid gate]

Tarbo is half the size of a Rex(4.9t Tarbo to a 9.1t Rex). It's more mobile and nimble than the Rex, just like Bary is to a Sucho. Meanwhile Bary itself is a 1.4/2.5t animal in comparison to a 3.4t Sucho(which admittedly can be increased in size a bit since there's a decent chance that the 3.4t specimen is not mature). Ava is basically a juvie trike(it's just outright the most redundant and worthless animal in the game especially if Diablo gets to its paleoaccurate size).

Do note - I agree that Tarbo is a bad pick for the game however doing all kinds of mental gymnastics to justify other dinosaurs that are just as redundant yet still present on the roster is kind of hypocritical.

[paper oriole]

The largest tarbo specimen is almost as big as the largest rex

[tepid gate]

what specimen is that?

[paper oriole]

Its literally just china rex

[tepid gate]

Which specimen of Tarbo is that, I've literally never heard of any Tarbosaurus or any other theropod for that matter getting close to the size of the largest T.rexes

[paper oriole]

I cant even find the specific specimen because when i try to search it for its name i get scotty and sue even google hates tarbo lmao

It was supposedly around 40ft or something

[dapper pulsar]

Damn

[tepid gate]

I need to have the name of the specimen - I heavily doubt it exists though because it would be really famous if it did

[dapper pulsar]

That's kinda racist

[tepid gate]

To my knowledge the largest specimen is the PIN551-1 which is the holotype of Tarbosaurus bataar. This animal is approaching 5t in weight but it's nowhere close to even the holotype of T.rex or to Stan, much less the behemoths like Sue, Scotty or Trix.

[dapper pulsar]

Trix needs a name change. We have a standard.

[tepid gate]

Should it be renamed to... Strix perhaps?

[dapper pulsar]

Well, I was gonna suggest we make her name a bit more reminiscent of that of her species.

Sex would be a good one.

[barren zephyr]

Go to horny jail. B O N K

[paper oriole]

Utha

[dapper pulsar]

Utha bad

Ureth good

[barren zephyr]

Urethra

[dapper pulsar]

Urethraptor

[paper oriole]

the hypsi gave you no food because hypsis are 80% feathers and 20% spite

[barren zephyr]

^^

[paper oriole]

mounted turret hypsi

[barren zephyr]

@junior crow I know this isn't truly related with small dinos on the backs of larger dinos.
But there have been some photos of a small Utah on top of a Lily pad in a swamp, people have been wanting for small creatures (like Minmi or Hypsi) to be able to stay on the top of larger creatures like Deino

[barren zephyr]

We easily could just not bother with Tarbo and Alberto

Cramming in a shit tonne of large carnivores in an ecosystem does not work out.

[paper oriole]

too late on albert, though yeah we definitely don't need any mor elarge predators we are already overpacked with at least 3 apex carnis and a ton of mid tiers

we need more large herbis and omnis

[short jewel]

Yes i get your point dude sorry i thinked it would be intresting....

[dapper pulsar]

Yeah, I agree but like

Actually nevermind

Gigantoraptor big omni

[white spruce]

We on't need another pseudo-large carnivore. They all generally seem to struggle

Sucho struggles not to invalidate bary while not being invalidated by spino, and acro struggles to find a place between giga and allo so that it's unique. We don't need a third pseudo large to throw alberto and rex's relationship into a tizzy.

[valid zephyr]

yes!

[white spruce]

Alberto's fine. It can be the wolf to allo's mountain lion, an endurance predator as opposed to an ambush predator

[sonic cloud]

Sucho isn’t invalidated by spino

[valid zephyr]

Hopefully sucho will outrun spino.

[azure wadi]

Don says he wants music to be in with update 5 but there’s no confirmation (also I could of heard wrong I briefly heard it on a stream)

[paper geyser]

i think changing specifically the highlight color would be a better idea

or just the dewlap like i mentioned earlier, rather than the whole thing

[azure wadi]

Ok true, I’ll change it to that

[warm current]

I didn't like that Hererra jowl.

[azure wadi]

There you go, now it’s detail is the only thing that changes

[paper geyser]

awesome

really hope people approve of this

its a small thing but i think it's really neat and fits herra's aesthetic

[azure wadi]

Maybe the devs already have a similar idea in mind, that’d be cool

[warm current]

For me Hererra would look better with an aspect like this ...

[azure wadi]

Aspect?

[paper geyser]

appearance

translation error

[azure wadi]

Also that herra is the most generic looking dinosaur I’ve ever seen

[warm current]

I used the wrong word anyway.

Sorry

[paper geyser]

yeah the colors are nice but it does look like generic theropod #802

its also very shrinkwrapped

[azure wadi]

You don’t need to apologize

[warm current]

The Herrera model that seems to be proposed, at least in the photo does not seem to have changed much compared to the current Herrera. Only this jowl changes a little more. Despite recognizing the work that is modeling, I hope that more changes will be made. This one of the image that I showed, in my opinion, was going to bring a greater impact to the game, something totally new.

[azure wadi]

I really like the herra we’re currently getting and I don’t think any changes should be made

[lone kite]

plz devs we need crab ai think of the meme potentual u just onday stumble apon a crab rave on the beach it would be halarious

also crabs are a good snack if u can catch them

and could be another food sorces for carnivores and omnivores

[paper geyser]

it might not be different from the previous herra but the one you linked is even worse, it's just a basic theropod with nothing unique to it

this herra has an iguana look and is somewhat unique compared to the rest of the roster

[warm current]

Each player has his particular preference! And in my opinion, the fact that Herrera is looking like a gecko and the model hasn't changed a lot bothers me a little. But it is like I said: I recognize the immense development work and although I did not like my criticism it is just that comment.

I also didn't like the oviraptor model very much. That looks like a rooster.

[azure wadi]

It’s one of my favorite designs in game and my favorite oviraptor design ever

[warm current]

But I still believe that DEVs are going to do a great job. It will be very good.

[azure wadi]

Ew

[warm current]

The models above are more pleasing to me

Less bird appearance and more reptile appearance.

[azure wadi]

So you like featherless ovi, sorry but any opinion you have regarding oviraptor designs are meaningless to me

I like that herra idea of its dewlap not always being visible

[warm current]

I understand.
And perhaps your opinion is more consistent with the studies on Oviraptor. But even so ... the form without feathers (reptile) pleases me more.

[azure wadi]

I find the featherless design almost sickening, I can’t stand seeing featherless dromeosaurids and oviraptorids, it just ain’t right

[barren zephyr]

Well that's because they're so birdlike they certainly had feathers (and advanced ones, to specify even more)

[azure wadi]

It’s like seeing a naked chicken

[barren zephyr]

And why did they decide to make utahraptor into a JP raptor

[paper geyser]

i agree and feel the same way about exposed teeth, there's just something so fundamentally wrong about naked dromaeosaurs and lipless terrestrial theropods

[barren zephyr]

It's dumb, not to mention they really risk getting copyright striked by universal for essentially nicking their design

[azure wadi]

Feathered Utah also just looks so much better

[barren zephyr]

Real dinosaurs are a lot more interesting than movie dinosaurs.

[azure wadi]

^

Well there are some where a fictionalized dino is more interesting, eg semi aquatic minmi

[barren zephyr]

Juravenator, a Coelurosaur found in Germany, happened to have had sensory scales on its tail, indicating some sort of special purpose for it.

[azure wadi]

[paper geyser]

woah what

tell me more

[azure wadi]

To paleo talk we shell go

[paper geyser]

yes

[barren zephyr]

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/10/dinosaur-scales-reveal-small-organs-used-to-sense-surroundings/

[azure wadi]

Melon man has had the greatest idea in the history of game development

Some people just don’t understand the genius of the idea

[barren zephyr]

@cobalt compass are u high

[cobalt compass]

just 1,71m

[azure wadi]

If you’re referring to his IQ than yes

[barren zephyr]

I can't

[azure wadi]

You can’t what?

[cobalt compass]

well imagine this, some poopy person on your server behaves like they shouldnt, your options are: tell them "that was not nice, please dont do that again", kick or ban

with my additional option of an punishment you leave the player the choice to fulfill his destiny as a pile of shit even on rejoining or leaving

as fish you still could die and eventually respawn a dino to molest the other players again

but as shit, thats gonna be a whole new experience for your ego

also thanks @azure wadi, leave a ✅ and subscribe 👍

[safe galleon]

it's funny but I'd feel bad for the dev that would have to model a poop

[cobalt compass]

i will do it, and if i must do it in 4k quality

getting samples is the easy part

[frank slate]

why 4k? go all out and get 16k

[azure wadi]

^

[cobalt compass]

dont you think 4c is enough? and that hurts already

[azure wadi]

16K take it or leave it

[cobalt compass]

okidoki

i needed to make a small edit

[mellow maple]

i love it

[valid zephyr]

Not a fan of males not being able to group. Sometimes you just want to play with their friends, no matter what gender dino they've picked.

[flint root]

Sounds like forced gameplay tbh

Also doesn't take into account infant males

What's that you were nested in as a male? Good luck fucker, get outta here

[tepid gate]

Sounds like a solution that doesn't improve the gameplay in any way while creating a lot of unnecessary problems.

[plucky ridge]

I can see y’all’s point. I guess it could be a thing that servers can turn on and off like they did legacy with alt turn. Could be a system that makes realistic servers more realistic.

[thin fulcrum]

The whole male/female fighting/grouping what-have-you mechanic is cool, but It could be easily boiled down so its funner and less forced. (If you get me?)

Eg. Grouping systems already give a player a crown next to their name for "leader" (I assume).
In packs it would be interesting to have an alpha, which will have no overarching benefits at all other than being able to kick members n' maybe a few other things idk. But it'll allow players to act on it if they wanted to have a more realistic gameplay.

I can also imagine males having a "duel" mechanic, that allows them to headbutt or scrap, which could be interpreted into a hierarchy realism sense, or could just be used for fun. (Id assume the little scraps wouldn't kill a dino).

[azure wadi]

Color changing herra would be so cool

[plucky ridge]

Ya my point of my suggestion was to give the males something to work towards and a purpose like a females with nesting. But I can see where people are saying it is a forced game play. For example the female aren’t forced to nest. With that said though I thought the devs were planning on going in that direction anyways with some mechanics of the perk systems. Like female dinosaurs being more happy if they nest and stuff like that. (At lease that is what I understood but I could be wrong)

[dapper pulsar]

Who the fuck keeps @ing me

And then deleting the message.

[azure wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-不造-i-dont-know-gif-5094560

[sonic cloud]

It’s not even realistic @plucky ridge not all animals live in harems it’s just a terrible gameplay mechanic

[plucky ridge]

I didn’t say all dinosaurs have to work that way....

[sonic cloud]

It’s still a terrible mechanic that screws over males

[plucky ridge]

Just a suggestion

[keen vapor]

i dont see the problem in colour change. It would be a pretty unique ability.

[barren zephyr]

Camo would be cool

[keen vapor]

yeah could help them hunt

[sonic cloud]

I wasn’t talking about the colour change

[keen vapor]

climbing??

oh, the grouping system

[thin fulcrum]

A translation option would be pretty useful, though there's a wide variety of phrases that people could say. I can imagine it more simply like call-outs in a FPS, not very many but enough to get a point across. Instead of clarifying its Utah or carno etc, it could just be "enemy" or "prey".

[violet delta]

I was just thinking a few phrases at first. I imagine it would be overwhelming to have to find the one specific phrase for Utah, carno, cerato, etc. "Enemy"and "Prey" actually isnt a bad idea.

[dense wagon]

@ashen wasp the only reason i don't think the feeding from a still living creature idea is because chances are it will lead to some VERY UGLY mixpacking, regardless of the toll on the victim

Rn, from how the trello roadmap looks it seems we wont be getting any powerful land carnivores. You could argue cerato would fill the role, but like come on, its cerato. Stego's gonna have no real actual enemies except for dilos, if they are similar in function to legacy. Which I feel would just make things like kentrosaurus a bit unviable, why pick the faster and possibly damaging to hit kentro with a unique playstyle. When you can pick anky with a bleed function essentially. In my opinion I think allo should be added at some point during the evrima phase, I'd imagine it has a 50/50 matchup against stego. It wouldnt be fast enough to attack cerato or carno, (especially due to ambush not being a thing) atleast not without hiding and catching them off guard. Unlike carno which is able to take 2 stego tail swipes before dying, an Allo would have the potential to take 5 or 6 before it died. However, it would take less bites than a carno needs to take down a stego. The only big carnivore which is terrestrial on the roadmap, which seems to be able to kill stego reliably would be the Rex ai.
@idle ibex you do know what's on the roadmap isn't final, right? apexes are coming, we just aren't that far in yet

we even have tyrannosaurus AI listed in ongoing content

[dapper pulsar]

Ay yo, y'all got any achievements for suggestions?

That's

Not what I meant to say

Ay yo, y'all got any suggestions for achievements?

Professionals have standards!
Land __ lethal headshots in a single (Merc life/mission thing)

The past repeats itself
Kill a Rex as Spino

Chaos Theory
Kill the player that killed you in your previous life.

The Wrong Place
Pick up a crowbar

The Right Man
Get 15 kills with the crowbar in a single (Merc existence)

Quite the Anti-climax
Die with 14 kills on your crowbar.

Gotta love me!
Attack an adult dinosaur within the first 10 minutes of your life as a dinosaur.

I'm not paid enough for this s-
Witness the birth of a strain as a Merc.

I saw that going differently!
Have your entire team is killed by one animal.

What are they gonna do, throw rocks?
Enter a tribal settlement.

Among other things.
Die to a tribal on their grounds.

A classic.
Get pounced by a Utah while shooting while firing upon a member of it's pack.

Brain Blast!
Become Neurotenic.

...Brain Blast!
Die to an explosive as a Neurotenic.

Pest Control
Kill 100 Hypsilophodon

Break the Batman!
*11 active specimens.

Who's who?
Die or win a Cannibal v Unknown engagement.

Maybe in another life...
Jump off a cliff.

The last thing I expected.
Get killed in a shoot out.

I can take him!
Punch an Apex.

An eye for an eye.
Kill a member of a pack that killed a member of yours.

Dumb smart people.
Get killed by a Hypo Utah.

Dumber smart people.
Get killed by a Hypo Rex.

Dumbest smart people.
Get killed by a Hypo Quetz.

Is what I've thought of so far, it's mostly for fun.

[edgy harbor]

@zenith onyx They most likely do already in legacy, most if not all dinosaur sounds I've ever heard have been made using 100% real animal sounds.

And, if you know about the Godzilla monster sound design, they used real animal sounds to make it.

[zenith onyx]

I totally don't understand what ur trying to tell me... ur sentences are all over the place

or the point the your trying to get me to understand as well

@edgy harbor

[edgy harbor]

Godzilla was made with animal sounds

Dinosaur sounds are usually also animal sounds

They both most likely have the same elements of sound.

[twin burrow]

^

[zenith onyx]

I was just saying that both creautes could use the same elements of Godzillas call in their own

[normal surge]

Godzilla’s call wasn’t made with animal sounds. It was a resin covered glove rubbing on a violin

[plucky ridge]

Start watching at 3:06

https://youtu.be/wUrYgD2D37U

[tepid gate]

Iirc the "Godzilla sound" that's so characteristic an has been in use ever since the first incarnation of the most famous kaijuu is actually a cello instrument that'd then been very heavily processed. It's not actually based on any animal all that much.

edit: yea the video above explains the details of how it's been made back in the days.

[glossy matrix]

@warm current Meganeura did not coexist with dinosaurs

It lived millions of years before when oxygen levels were much higher

that's why it could get so big

cool suggestion though

[warm current]

I think that kind of argument is very weak! For the following reason: there are species in the game today that probably did not coexist either.
And you have to agree that if she lived long before and today we have dragonflies in nature, there was, at the time of the dinosaurs, some kind of dragonfly that evolved from the one you said.
We also cannot forget that, I also mean other insects.
@glossy matrix

[cobalt compass]

i think what he meant was, having a playable insect along dinosaurs which doesnt go well with the current lore

[warm current]

But at no time did I suggest having a playable insect. My suggestion is that there are insects in the island's ecosystem. I suggested that in principle there is no interaction with the dinosaurs. But I consider this a starting point for the future implementation of dinosaurs that will feed on these insects.

[azure wadi]

With that quill idea maybe the quills can get stuck in the predators mouth when it bites the tail, and every time it bites with the quils in its mouth it takes damage and it has to do an animation to get them out, similar to hypsi spit

[glossy matrix]

no

there was no argument

i ws merely saying that things like meganeura did not coexist with dinosaurs

[cobalt compass]

which is correct

[glossy matrix]

not that it would be a bad playable

plus the game barely has lore at this point lol

[cobalt compass]

okay than i misread that, mb

[azure wadi]

Wouldn’t a meganeura not even be able to breath in modern day because of the way insects breath and the lower oxygen of today

[cobalt compass]

yes, but we know that there are no engineered insects 😉

it could be genetecially adjusted, but i doubt we get any playable insects

of a size that matters

well yet, who knows what dondi still has in mind

[azure wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/i-had-a-goddamn-plan-gif-19278938 Dondi V

[cobalt compass]

hypno likes my idea

yes

[azure wadi]

Which idea was that?

[cobalt compass]

"shitty time-out"

[azure wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/oscars-standing-ovation-clap-clapping-applause-gif-5089552

[warm current]

But this playable insect idea doesn't make sense.

I hope it never exists.

I consider The Isle the best dinosaur game there is! I hope it stays that way.

[cobalt compass]

well f...me, im at work rn and obviously cant properly read... noone mentioned playable insects, but me 🤦‍♂️
i could see moulds or breakable logs for omnivores

[barren zephyr]

n o

[cobalt compass]

yes

[barren zephyr]

n o

So apparently an insect makes sense, but a mammal doesn't.

[cobalt compass]

yesno

[barren zephyr]

Or do neither make sense if the point of the game is meant to be revolving around dinosaur supremacy

[barren zephyr]

n o

[cobalt compass]

its classified

[cobalt compass]

i'd be fine by that

@barren zephyr why you against my shitty idea?

[barren zephyr]

because it is a shitty idea

[cobalt compass]

its meant to be shit

so whats wrong?

[barren zephyr]

it's too shit

[cobalt compass]

next lvl shit is best shit

[barren zephyr]

no

[cobalt compass]

think of it as an admintool to lock shitty players, they cant die. only remain stinky and wait for either get slayed, kicked or banned by an admin

if they leave the server, they rejoin as shit. even after a serverwipe, cause such playerlogs would be saved so you still be shit

[barren zephyr]

For the god knows how many-th time I have asked, would Darwinius (or another member of the Adapidae, a group of primitive primates) be a good or bad candidate for the roster

[cobalt compass]

ai roster?

[barren zephyr]

No, as a playable

But also as the only non-human mammal in the game

[glossy matrix]

they both do

Phoenix / AE's only goal with the dinos is for them to smash shit up

that's why they made strains

and mammals would also be a lot cheaper to clone than dinosaurs

since genetic material is more available

[barren zephyr]

AE probably tried to do more with dinosaurs than just military stuff

I suspect they may have been trying to experiment with building ecosystems

What caused the breakout of the dinosaurs in the first place

And where are their enclosures on the island even located.

[glossy matrix]

there's a building with a broken fence currently

got added in update 2

so maybe thats for like

stego

or carno

[barren zephyr]

And by mammals I'm talking about prehistoric mammals

[glossy matrix]

yea

mammoths and sabre toothed cats and shit

[barren zephyr]

Even then they probably wouldn't have been many since a lot of Dinosaurian analogues.

BUT some mammals have been able to do things some dinosaurs just haven't done yet.

[cobalt compass]

maybe modern small mammal critters

[barren zephyr]

Well I'd like to have a primate of sorts in the game other than humans

And in this case some prehistoric type would make more sense

[cobalt compass]

yet we still dont know the true goals of Æ

[barren zephyr]

Because this is a game which has clones of prehistoric animals

We don't know the true goals of AE, but it's not unlikely to speculate that they're working on multiple fields of science

[cobalt compass]

true true, my guess on Æ is that they're more like the Jurassic Park company and wanna go the scientific route were's PC went military

but we're drifting into #isle-lore-theories

[valid zephyr]

how long is the slowmode on feedback again?

[cobalt compass]

15min?

[valid zephyr]

cheers. might need to cut down to fit things on one post then

[cobalt compass]

do a google doc
@valid zephyr

@keen vapor free food is never a proper solution

[valid zephyr]

Most people won't view it if they have to go to an external link.

I used to do google docs, but decided it's better to have it on display directly.

[azure wadi]

The reason why you can’t bite while sitting is to stop you from getting too comfortable, there’s a risk to sitting and slowing down

[cobalt compass]

^

[hushed shadow]

i do kind of see where they're coming from though, and as you already can't turn while sitting i still feel maybe a weaker attack while sitting would be a nice compromise

[safe galleon]

it'd be kinda annoying if a person sat down in a corner to heal and being able to attack at the same time

[azure wadi]

^

[paper geyser]

maybe being able to bite while getting up? Idk i feel like it negates the risk of sitting

[safe galleon]

like a trike would be immortal by doing that

[thin fulcrum]

In addition you need momentum to bite, the current sitting positions don't really support an action like biting, it'd just look like you broke your neck...or sprained it to bite. xD

[thin fulcrum]

Ooh, with the quick sit up it would be cool to allow you to bite whilst standing up in that animation.

[azure wadi]

Still has the same effect of making sitting less dangerous

[paper geyser]

not really

if you get jumped and start being bitten it allows you to retaliate faster instead of sitting through an animation while the attacker gets 5 free bites

fast stand already drains stam, and being able to get a bite or two gives you more of a chance

[azure wadi]

t?

[cobalt compass]

@maiden anvil there already is juvi ai

[azure wadi]

I met one, I thought it was just a really stupid player

[maiden anvil]

@cobalt compass gotcha!

[cobalt compass]

btw evrima is still a beta which is being worked on constantly, okay rn the devs enjoy their holidays, but the entire content is WIP. so group dynamics can change, but thats a long road to go

[keen vapor]

I dont see the problem with food along the beaches that dinos can scavenge for. The costal area is completely dead rn because there is no reason to go there.

[azure wadi]

When there are fish it’ll give some semi aquatics a reason to go there, especially if there’s exclusively salt water fish

[keen vapor]

Im pretty certain that there will only be fish in rivers and swamps

The ocean isnt beeing developed on and it looks very barren underwater

[azure wadi]

Well maybe they’ll do something with it at a later date but free food isn’t a good idea

[keen vapor]

why not?

[cobalt compass]

free food encourages a lazy playstyle that is unwanted

[paper geyser]

see: legacy

[cobalt compass]

yep

[keen vapor]

Well beached animals shouldnt be too common. I dont want to allways have to hunt for food as a carni

[cobalt compass]

legacy carnivore can live the easiest life, even in the most remote area if there is a puddle were they can drink drom

[keen vapor]

yeah thats due to the ai spawn there

[cobalt compass]

thats the essence of a carnis life

[paper geyser]

"carnivores shouldn't hunt" please review this statement

[keen vapor]

Not for all carnis? Ceras for example are scavengers

i didnt state that

[cobalt compass]

cera is bully/scav

[paper geyser]

scavenging as a result of other players' fights yes, not random food spawning on beaches

[keen vapor]

well i have no clue on how we are supposed to make players have a reason to go there though.

[paper geyser]

well there isn't much of a reason to be there in the first place, its just the edge of the map for most terrestrials

[hushed shadow]

i don't really see the issue if the beached fish are rare enough, considering usually there isn't any drinkable water right next to the ocean

[paper geyser]

unless they add clams and crabs for juvies, there's no point being there

[keen vapor]

whats the difference?

[paper geyser]

juvies are incapable/less efficient at hunting

[azure wadi]

Clams and crabs are a challenge for your reward

[keen vapor]

yeah thats why i suggested they could scavenge the beaches for small beached fishes.

[paper geyser]

small snacks for juvies are different from small snacks for adults

[keen vapor]

I dont want there to be beached whales or anything, just juvi food

[paper geyser]

beached fish (for adults) will only drive adults to the edges of the map because they don't want to fight

if you meant beached fish for juvies then disregard my previous statements

[keen vapor]

allr

[hushed shadow]

even if it's not just juvie food but rather normal sized fish, but not something that'll fill up an adult anywhere above 10%

it just has to be rare

[paper geyser]

if its rare and fills to 10% then it's not worth the effort to put into the game

people will just die more often on beaches trying to look for food, or they wont go to the beach at all because they're better off actually hunting something

[hushed shadow]

rare doesn't mean impossible to find and 10% are a welcome amount if you're starving

fish models are being made anyway

[paper geyser]

10% is negligible when the beach is almost always a long distance away from you, and rare does imply that it will be very uncommon

[keen vapor]

It should be common enough to sustain small dinos that are constantly searching or at least searching a lot

[paper geyser]

so you have small dinos running up and down beaches and not playing the game? what's the point of that

[keen vapor]

what? If small dinos want an easy meal they gotta scavenge a while for it.

[hushed shadow]

and those 10% count only for adults anyway, and yes those can hunt, but what if you're a subadult or smaller and you're starving and you come across a beached fish, i'm pretty sure that won't harm anyone

[keen vapor]

unless they get very lucky

[paper geyser]

"enough to sustain small dinos that are constantly searching" implies a player will be able to live solely off of beach food if they go nowhere else

[keen vapor]

yes untill they grow big enough that fishes wont sustain them

[paper geyser]

that's juvie dinos

dont call them small, i assumed you meant things hypsi and compy sized (when adult)

[keen vapor]

I have allways been referibng to juvis

[paper geyser]

then please call them that to prevent confusion

beached fish fall in the same category as clams and crabs, all snacks for juvies so im fine with that

[keen vapor]

I think it would be a lot easier to implement beached fishes instead of clams a d crabs

[paper geyser]

im not fine with beached fish for adults though, if they'll be so uncommon that one in 100 people will benefit from it then it's a waste of time to spend coding

maybe as a QoL thing in the future, but I don't really see a point

[keen vapor]

Yeah no i dont want there too be so much food on the beaches that an aduly could sustain itself ok it

[cobalt compass]

well, if you've cleared that in the suggestion it would've saved us from an unnesscary argument

[keen vapor]

bruh

[paper geyser]

yeah your suggestion was really vague and implied adult food sources to fully sustain lazy players lol

[cobalt compass]

all good, just keep it in mind for future suggestions

[keen vapor]

i didnt think much of it when i made it, it would just be cool to have some dead fishes on the beaches yknow

[cobalt compass]

they should go into the same category of juvi food like crabs, clams n such like said before

that'd be something im cool with

but also it must not be abundant so that its too easy to get along as a juvi. all life stages should be a challenge, that were parents and herds come into the game. they should offer protection and food, but on the other side be forced to migrate for food 🤷‍♂️ its a hell of work to balance all this things

[paper oriole]

Not a fan of feasts like whales beaching but crabs/clams for small preds and omnis would be neat

Hadros can eat crabs and clams too

[barren zephyr]

Why the hell do beaches exist if the only place where people go is around in the center or the northeastern plains and/or lake

As well as some random "tourist spots" (abandoned property of Apollo) round in the south.

[paper oriole]

They coulda made spino a coastal aquatic predator instead of terrestrial jp chimaeric abomination, we got nothing designed to live by the sea but pela and ptera

They should design more niches around seabed grazing and oceanic fishing instead of throwing massive piles of free food on the beach to get people to go there

[barren zephyr]

Btw we could get Ankylosaurus as a sort of manatee/hippo thingy

[paper oriole]

I think its too late for anky lol

Theres unadded herbis yet that can claim coastal niches

[barren zephyr]

Examples?

[paper oriole]

Idk plateo maybe

[barren zephyr]

I thought plateosaurus was scrapped

[paper oriole]

I havent heard anything of that, if he is that's a shame

[barren zephyr]

There's a bunch of other prosauropods as well which could be used

[paper oriole]

Yeah tho i dont think theres anything wrong with plateo, either way a prosauropod could work as a coastal

And there's the evidence of hadros snacking on clams that can draw them to visit beaches

[sinful summit]

I think the first thing they should do when they find a new mapper is to make mangroves to give access to fresh water supplies around beaches. As well as adding small critters and maybe one or two small/medium sized marines species.

[paper oriole]

Masiakasaurus would make a nice small coastal pred too

[barren zephyr]

We already have monolophosaurus n stuff

Mono could be a beachcomber

[paper oriole]

Yeah thats one way they can make it unique, he seems to be in a tricky spot between utah and dilo atm

[sinful summit]

I think Nothosaurus seem to be the best candidate.

[paper oriole]

Notho and atopo

[sinful summit]

They could rest and nest on land to make them vulnerable.

[barren zephyr]

Nothosaurus is pretty much like a seal

[paper oriole]

Adding 2 upvote and a pin reaction to your own suggestion

[inner hound]

dont need more burrow mechanic copy pasted onto another animal

[azure wadi]

This is just sad

[paper oriole]

Lmao right??

Oro would be wasted as a burrower too we already have taco in that tier for that

[inner hound]

people throw around the burrower niche onto anything small

[azure wadi]

If we just give every small playable burrow it makes the burrow mechanic boring and over used

[inner hound]

if the smalls can enter burrows made by other animals, yes thats nice.

[paper oriole]

His name means mountain runner right? Just take that literally, or even lemur oro is better

[inner hound]

but let the burrowing stay unique the animals that deserve it

lemur oro is cursed.

i refuse to aknowledge lemur oro as valid

[azure wadi]

Lemur oro?

[edgy hamlet]

No yall are wrong! Why? Because he upvoted his post like a chad

[azure wadi]

Or like a desperate person who wants it to look like people agree with his bad idea

[paper oriole]

Let oro store food like a ground squirrel and survive longer without water so he can live in more desolate places even, would be better than taco oro lol

[edgy hamlet]

Forgetting about the fact that people can see the names..

[inner hound]

chad open plains oro

[paper oriole]

The name alpharaptor just makes it better lol

[edgy hamlet]

Hes da alpha

[azure wadi]

Probably a doctah who role plays on top of crates

[inner hound]

proto and homa should have burrow 🙂
while minmi can only burrow in mud/water

[edgy hamlet]

When someone votes on his own post with hypsiwow and pin the suggestion is already unnecessary

[inner hound]

and other smalls can enter said burrows, but not actually make them themselves

[azure wadi]

It would be cool if minmi could make underwater burrows that lead to an air pocket

[inner hound]

thats cool yea

[azure wadi]

Update 9 could be the burrow update, which would be cool

[inner hound]

[azure wadi]

I really hope we get a bit more control on the shape of the inside of the burrow instead of what we got in legacy with it just being a single room,

[barren zephyr]

In legacy, the burrows are very bloody spacious, as I have seen from videos

[white spruce]

Would be nice if different burrowers had differently shaped burrows

I enjoy jenken/chai's suggestion

prairie oro sounds nice to me. We already have a lad that enters trees and many lads that potentially enter burrows

[inner hound]

open plains, prairie hare chad

[valid zephyr]

In a complete vacuum, if we had no other burrowing smalls, I'd agree that oro would make a good burrower.

But we have taco, proto, ava, minmi, homa, and it's being considered for dryo.

Does it need to be copy and pasted onto small herbi number 7?

[azure wadi]

Dryo won’t burrow, it will just be able to claim and edit burrows

[inner hound]

personally, only minmi and proto should be burrowers.
and
homa, ava, taco etc being able to enter said burrows

but homas concept art has burrowing so meh

tho i wouldnt mind warthog ava

[safe galleon]

Warthog Ava and wombat proto

[azure wadi]

[barren zephyr]

Why the fuck do people hate Sauropods with soft tissue display structures

Sure, they're highly speculative, but perfectly plausible with what evidence we have.

[azure wadi]

I like sauropods with a bit of soft tissue but that brachi is just

[barren zephyr]

So you guys judging by that image alone

[azure wadi]

It looks like it has a second underdeveloped tail sprouting from its neck

[barren zephyr]

Some have gone further with this stuff

[azure wadi]

I just said no to that example of soft tissue, i could like some other soft tissue examples

[barren zephyr]

Look at Saurian's (now scrapped) Alamosaurus

[azure wadi]

The air sack on its head does look pretty cool

[barren zephyr]

Well it's weird, but not out of scientific bounds

Nor is that "turkey" Brachiosaurus by Brian Engh

[azure wadi]

Is the one that you sent in feedback the turkey brachi?

[barren zephyr]

Yes.

The one which had pink and blue on the neck and those tail looking wattles

[azure wadi]

the one you just sent looks really cool and I love the colors, but the turkey brachi is gross and is the one I don’t like

[barren zephyr]

They're actually both illustrated by the same artist

[azure wadi]

Yeah but Kung fu panda and boss baby are both made by dreamworks but that doesn’t mean that they’re both good

[barren zephyr]

Yeah fair enough

[valid zephyr]

I quite like something like this for brachi or cama. It's got display stuff, but not cursed levels.

[barren zephyr]

Being speculative can be interesting though

I'm not so fond of conservative dinosaur reconstructions

[valid zephyr]

That one is far less conservative than than Isle/JP one.

[white spruce]

Personally agree in regards to taco and ava. idk what homalo would do if it doesn't make tiny little burrows though, so I'd suggesting minmi, proto, and homalo. Perhaps different burrowers could have differently shaped burrows?

[paper oriole]

Deinocheirus is an omnivore not an herbivore lmao

Also upvoting your own suggestion

[barren zephyr]

ok

[cobalt compass]

@paper oriole you should atleast let @sacred minnow know that you dislike her used terms, but your points are still valid, it is an omnivore and upvoting own suggestions looks kinda like you need a booster... not good manners, still cool moves.

[paper oriole]

I think he broke his own neck at the end when he grappled the tyrannosaur with its jaws around his neck F

[azure wadi]

Reacting with to your own suggestion is kinda sad

[paper oriole]

Yeah it's an oof

[safe galleon]

just change the "apex herbi duck" to "apex omni duck" and it's good

[valid zephyr]

Yep agreed. Posting the pin on your own suggestion also cringe.

[paper oriole]

The guy who put a hypsi heart, check and pin on his own shit lol

[valid zephyr]

Only acceptable upvote on own suggestion is when you also post a downvote. As it’s showing which emotes to use for like and dislike

[azure wadi]

This guy

[paper oriole]

Im sure im not the only petty asshole that just refuses to upvote suggestions even if i like them when the poster upvotes it themself

[valid zephyr]

Ye

[white spruce]

how do you get a list of people who used an emote like that

[cobalt compass]

hold the emotebutton

[paper oriole]

If youre on mobile

[valid zephyr]

Select the message and go to reactions

[paper oriole]

Otherwise its the three dots on the side

[azure wadi]

Putting a check on your suggestion is one thing but a pin is just sad

[paper oriole]

A pin and a heart that dude was goin way past patting himself on the back lmao

[cobalt compass]

@upbeat marten sorry, but no baby carry. it leaves to much room for abuse

[azure wadi]

I can imagine baby deinos riding on their mothers back but that’s about it

[barren zephyr]

@jovial moss i kinda like your suggestion. But the baby trike looks completly different from the adult! Lets beginn: its smaller. It has no horns. Big cutie eyes and all in all its not that fat compared to adult.

[upbeat marten]

Damnnnn

True though

[sacred minnow]

@cobalt compass point of upvote own suggestion just make easier to upvote for other members 😑

[azure wadi]

Then add a downvote to make it easier for other members to downvote

If you don’t your point it’s invalid

Fine, then I will

[sacred minnow]

fine i do it myself

oof we do this at the same time xD

[azure wadi]

Ok so now your point of upvoting your own suggestion is valid

[cobalt compass]

its just leaves a bad taste like "honhon, look how good my [☆] is!!!" just dont look good

[jovial moss]

The skull is different, but that doesn't really affect gameplay. The body is basically the same which is what I was talking about

[valid zephyr]

I know the devs have said no to it, but I like the idea of baby carrying. It works well in BoB.

[cobalt compass]

i dont see them change their mind in the near future on that

[thin fulcrum]

Deino log?

[sacred minnow]

cool if bot just auto add up and down votes to ideas

[cobalt compass]

^ make suggestion

[azure wadi]

^^ I agree

[idle ibex]

I listed tyrannosaurus AI, in ongoing content so you definitely didnt read the whole thing burh.

[dense wagon]

but did you read the whole thing when i said we have all the other apexes coming?
we have concept art of elder t rex, acro, and animations for spino, and a model for giga

just because it's not on the roadmap doesn't mean they aren't working on it @idle ibex

[white spruce]

Compy doesn't matter because it seems to primarily be an ai dinosaur that you're just able to play. Homalo, meanwhile, is practically the same height as hypsi, so its camera would likely be the same

[safe galleon]

@grave cove wrong channel

@still sinew also wrong channel

[still sinew]

Only place I SAW it being talked about...

[safe galleon]

Still the wrong place

[still sinew]

kool, where do I find the text that says where that stuf should be talked about?

[safe galleon]

Well firstly it’d most appropriate for the discord related to that server

[still sinew]

kool, you got access to that discord? cause it's invite only right now. But most folks who play on nycta are in the MAIN discord - for arguably obvious reasons. SO.. It's likely someone here has information.

[paper oriole]

In that case it is better to ask in isle discussion

[still sinew]

Ya don't say?

I was just answered the guy so he wouldn't be left in the dark

[paper oriole]

Well considering you posted in the wrong channel already, you can tag him in other channels that are intended for responding/conversation. Not even supposed to answer feedback in the feedback channel lol

[still sinew]

you mean how gilbert did? cause that worked so wel.

Is this even the place to be talking about how it's not the place?

[safe galleon]

Better than #general-feedback

[paper oriole]

Just because he did it wrong doesnt mean you gotta lol. And technically it probably is because it is a response to something in the feedback channel (that should be deleted anyway)

But o well

[still sinew]

Yeah probably because it's a non issue.

[white spruce]

"Post feedback and suggestions for things you'd like to see in the game or discord here, if you'd like to discuss particular feedback/suggestions please do so in #feedback-discussion"

[vocal echo]

so in response to the "hold your breath to be silent thing". why would you need to hold your breath to stop making loud ass sounds? like the utah purring? it wouldnt make sense for the creature to make the noise in that situation (hiding) in the first place. so dont make it a hold breath thing, just remove it from the laying down and make it an idle sound or something

[dense wagon]

agreed

[dapper pulsar]

Homa no burrow

[white spruce]

why are you using the rest animation to hide and not the crouch animation?

purring seems perfectly reasonable as a resting noise for utah

[tiny compass]

...the logic in that is that sometimes one is bleeding and needs to lay down and heal/stop bleeding...and silence is the only way one can survive...

even walking (Z key) should be less louder than it's now

I know it's been discussed already but the zoom in feature is still not making the difference, why not letting go all the way through so u can have no (see through) body texture, just see from the head level ahead, so why always have something in front of the eyes like an obstruction, I mean what's the fun in that? Once a dinosaur get's a little bigger there's always those Y trees in the way to get stuck in, that's kinda of ridiculous, not happening in real life one can get through most of the times, it should rather slow down the running. A great addition would be to have bigger rocks for climbing and holes in the ground, and/or little/big caves where all small things can hide/nest eventually, and there's another issue I'd say should be addressed, there's not enough reference points, all the vegetation is almost the same everywhere, even the rivers are looking the same...one has a hard time to tell one's whereabouts ... oh and the gamma, everything looks so saturated...one can barely see the food/water/trail scent...

[tepid gate]

The logic is also that an animal that's healing won't be as silent as one that is hiding. Choose one: do you want to hide or do you want to heal faster(not to mention lying doing doesn't cause you to stop bleeding, you can still bleed out just fine)? If you want to hide you should crouch instead of resting. Matter of fact all the animals should make as much sound as Utah when they're resting.

[keen vapor]

@barren zephyr Your idea is pretty good however the map is currently very booring to explore and no servers currently would be able to handle 500 players. Mabye in the future when there can be more players on a single map.

[barren zephyr]

Yeah I’m just saying we need a map that’s explorable, maybe it does not need to be super sized but enough to where it feels like a big enough island with plenty of divercity in terms of areas to go to and everything feels normal instead of just slapping a couple swamps and rivers onto a island with no diversity in jungle

Irl how many platter would need but if it’s big enough maybe 250-300

[keen vapor]

Yeah i really really want different large biomes on different areas of the map

[vocal echo]

if you mean a hurt animal makes more sound than a non hurt animal i agree, but then the utah should make obvious hurting noises dont you think? if hes bleeding out and trying to hide it WOULDNT FUCKING PUR lmao

[tepid gate]

I mean that a resting animal would make more sound than one that is actively trying to hide.

"h" is the resting key. If you're RESTING you're not going to be as quiet as someone who's trying to stay hidden - pretty much by default.

[vocal echo]

yeah youre right but in the future when lying down (hopefully) actually does something to increase your chance of survival there should be a difference if you are hurt then to when you just rest

i totally agree with the resting thing btw

but if you heal "faster" or "at all" when you lie down in the future then there should be a difference in sound at least

even if that means a different, still obvious and loud hurting noise

also the frequency of the idle noise for utah is hella unbalanced

it occurs way more often then for other dinos

[barren zephyr]

You're joking if servers can handle 500 players

There's no way

The map can hold that many but servers? Hell no

[azure wadi]

I’m pretty sure the devs said that multiple things carrying a body won’t happen

[crude girder]

Given how wack body dragging is, the multiple carrying would probably break a lot, for not a lot of pay off lol

if you have a bigger person, they can just outright carry the body for you

[potent sparrow]

Bet they'd love to do multi player body carrying but I can see it being a programmer's nightmare due to all the weights and sizes of dinos

Accompanied by the ragdoll physics of the dead dinos

[crude girder]

Ragdoll physics are the main thing I would imagine

[potent sparrow]

Good little gif animation though xD

[thorny crag]

Thx ❤️

Body physics have to calm down first lol but I see this as possible thing to come way down the line. Nowhere near soon.

I hope we get the option to take a piece of meat OR drag the body along the way...

[thorny crag]

Ye but 2 carry faster than one hmm or maybe 2 unlock carrying a body an adult alone can't drag... Anyways a nightmare to code yes

[crude girder]

The main issue would be making it look good, rather than making it work

[thorny crag]

Yea. Like dragging now

It's pretty bad rn xD

[crude girder]

Yep, and imagine what would happen if the 2 dinosaurs tried to walk different directions

[thorny crag]

Hehe yea

[crude girder]

Plus the way corpse dragging works right now, animations wise, doesn't work for multiple animals dragging a body, so it would need more animations for every animal

[thorny crag]

What if a body gets stuck on both

[crude girder]

There was a glitch like that a while ago actually, it crashed servers

[thorny crag]

It would just need another anchor point on the body

[crude girder]

got removed in the most recent patch luckily

[thorny crag]

It still happens alot. I see stegos and carnos and utahs carry multiple bodies they cannot see. Only relog resolves it

Anyways just a tiny idea i liked. Nothing more. I hope devs have a good break from work, must be hideous trying to figure out all the tiny things

[crude girder]

Yeah, hopefully it becomes possible in the future

[thorny crag]

Maybe. I think emotes will also satisfy my will to have activities for grouped dinos

[crude girder]

Those will be quite nice to finally have lol, whenever they end up coming along

[thorny crag]

BTW I'd love to see the glitches that would cause lol

[real kraken]

@maiden anvil I would love it if Utah couldn't pounce a Kentro, making it even more unique from the stego

[maiden anvil]

Not a bad idea clutch ^^

[thorny crag]

Utah should be able to pounce anything but if u jump into spikes it dies. Guess the sides of a kentro tail could be pounced? Idk

And it's head? Maybe

[real kraken]

I feel like if a utah tried to latch onto its head it would either fall off or the kentro would just topple

[thorny crag]

Anyways just has to tap E to get it off

I'm talking gameplay wise, not realism wise

Afk kentro has to be punished

[proud coral]

I don't think letting things like velo clean the mouths of carnivores would work because why wouldn't they just eat you at that point? Free food. Unless the benefits are huge which would be bad for something so simple. Free food is almost always worth it

[barren zephyr]

it sounds like something that people would do every time.
Honestly no point adding a clean teeth animation... However, would be cool if Deino sleep animation had a small bird arrive to clean it's teeth 👀

[brave rampart]

We absolutely need these pack limits

[real kraken]

@silent inlet I dont know but I wouldn't suspect so

[compact hare]

"Don't talk to me or my sons ever again" @night mountain

[night mountain]

yes

[grave cove]

Where is Isla Nycta server in Evrima?

[paper oriole]

unfortunately poison magy would still not save it from KOSing, seeing as multiple carnivores will have claw attacks

[proud coral]

Magy isn't poisonous. It just tastes bad. Poison is after update 5.

[paper oriole]

the suggestion mentioned poison, magy tasting bad is and always will be one of the most braindead attempts to make a bad animal/PC viable i've seen from any game lol

[outer nebula]

well you think its bad because you dont like it, also you seem to forget taste bad implies if another dino eats it, you will throw up and since you throw up whats comes with that

[paper oriole]

it tasting bad wont stop things from KOSing it. "you think it's bad because you don't like it" is just a bad defense, I just don't like this slow midget sauropod having 0 viable defense against large predators lmao

if just eating it makes you sick people will kill it for sport

and if biting it makes you sick then it's basically poison at that point

[outer nebula]

personally let them kos but its basically meaning you just killed an animal that you cant eat and waste your time killing it so that on the player not the person playing magy

[paper oriole]

isle players like to grief and kill for fun it's not a 'waste of their time' it's what they play the game for. even herbi players like me will probably KOS magy it's just so bad

and tasting bad is the worst idea ever, and who ever decided that's magy's defense must know that and simply doesn't care about how unviable the animal they wasted money and time on adding is

[outer nebula]

alright thats your opinion, just dont play it, you still have stego, dryo, hypsi, tentonto (and by the time magy is in) pachy, you say its a waste but have yet to see what they are doing for magy, not to mention with the perk system before magys update and the diet system coming with magy cant assume its not viable

[paper oriole]

it's not an opinion but whatever mate. i am commenting on the one mechanic they mentioned, and that mechanic alone is trash unless magy has more that they haven't told us, that is fact

it is not an opinion that tasting bad won't stop KOS

[outer nebula]

technically it is an opinion because its coming from you and its based on what you think about the topic hence you are voicing an opinion

[paper oriole]

is it an opinion that holding a notebook in front of your chest won't stop a bullet?

[outer nebula]

but at the same time im also vopicing an opinion about what i think about said topic

[paper oriole]

lol nice that suggestion makes magy even more garbage

plus upvoting your own suggestion

[opaque warren]

@twin burrow What's your reasoning for anky not having to worry about giga? I'm curious to see if it's intentional or if you forgot to put it as a threat

[twin burrow]

I kinda forgot about it to be frank, but it was mostly because Giga's weaponry is not really suited to take him down efficiently enough

[opaque warren]

Gotcha, and overall the document is good, in some parts i feel like some animals have missing threats/possible diets, but it's obvious that there's just a shit ton of animals in the roster to really complete that list 100% without knowing what the devs plan to do with them. That said, it's really well thought out as it is, kinda makes me wish for in-depth information about each animal like those dossiers back in the day

[twin burrow]

Well I mean

I spent 2 days nearly workin on it lol

Had some help from a few people to determine stuff along the way so

[opaque warren]

Good stuff tho, i enjoy seeing ideas like these to share and discuss what others think of the animals

Thx for sharing

[jovial sleet]

wait im not sure if my eyes were deceiving me but...mimi little ass weights more than a quetz?...never knew...........

[thorn glacier]

Hypsis movement is actually almost identical to its real life counterpart, the king saxony bird of paradise
It's jittering may not be believable but it is real.

Also, it's calls are incredible similar as well, down to the aggressiveness and the range. Though they should definitely work on making hypsi easier to track based on its calls.

[barren zephyr]

Mixing dinosaurs with living animals is wacky

[thorn glacier]

It more or less is, but hey, it makes for fun gameplay and they already went ahead with it so they might as well keep going with it, why not

[azure wadi]

Getting poisoned by a Magy by biting it sounds like the worst idea I’ve ever heard

[idle ibex]

Carno is specialized to speed, and not power. Why would cerato not be tankier than it?

[azure wadi]

How long is carnos growth time?

[idle ibex]

2 hours and half an hour

[azure wadi]

Cerato should have the same growth time because it won’t need a longer growth time if it’s just a counterpart of carno, with all its stats being balanced

[idle ibex]

But here’s the thing, if something’s stronger than carno it kind of is more balanced with a longer growth time. Cerato has the tools it needs for a longer one, and carno is in every way built for speed even in its growth time :/

Following up with that, if cerato were to be stronger but have a longer growth time. It wouldn’t get demolished by bigger carnos than itself, it’s stronger than them.

So it can fight off carno but in the future once apexes or bigger things are added, it can outrun those.

Or outstam them

[bitter storm]

I suppose they are need to fix that grouping system, sometimes its just a mess

[median ore]

With regards to @urban bear 's suggestion -- A poisonous animal doesn't just become not poisionous if you kill it quicker... that's... that's not how that works.

The way poisonous animals become edible to animals that normally can't eat them IRL, is one of two ways:

1. When the inedible parts are carefully removed by specialists.
2. When their poision relies on their diet, such as with poision dart frogs.

With option 1), the "specialists" are co-evolved predators who, instead of developing a natural tolerance to the poision, evolved the instinct to know which parts they can't eat, and how to remove those parts. Meerkats who know how to bite the tail off a scorpion are one example. However, for the sake of simplicity, it's much easier to just... have specific carnivores immune to the poision. They're still "specialists", but with less in-game mechanics required.

With option 2), the Magy themselves would have to be responsible for eating the right kinds of food to keep themselves toxic..... but carnivores wouldn't really know whether or not a Magy is toxic, unless there is some kind of indicator. This could be a visual indicator, where a Magy with a vividly bright marking is more toxic than one with a duller marking -- OR a 'testable' indicator, where the predator would have to risk a test-bite, and if they get sick from it, they'd know they can't eat that specific Magy.

So if you wanted to make Magy's poision conditional for all carnivores, Option 2 is the realistic way to do it.

[idle ibex]

I don’t see how my suggestion was so bad

[tepid gate]

Cerato shouldn't be and isn't meant to be a counterpart to Carno. It was labeled as a "small carnivore" on the old roadmap as opposed to Carno which was stated to be a "medium carnivore". Cerato should take about 2 hours to grow, it shouldn't be a competitor to Carno since it's half its size.

[thorny crag]

Cerato is smaller? I don't get the discussion and idea. It's smaller than carno. It's not gonna tank it

[thorny crag]

Magy is pretty colored and has a big pattern that kinda say "I'm no good to eat" players will learn that. Removing parts sounds kinda weird ngl.

[barren zephyr]

but the magy should be passively toxic, regardless of being alive or dead

[median ore]

Oh, I'm 100% for toxic Magy. The suggestion they made was to make it... not toxic if you killed it faster, which... isn't how that works IRL lmao.

[thorny crag]

Ye

[median ore]

And, thus, I referenced the two options to make Magy edible to any carnivore. :Y

(Not that I want that. Bc I don't.)

[thorny crag]

It's fine. Magy is a very interesting dino, I wonder what they do with it. I doubt that only Cera can eat it. Maybe they only get venemous at a certain growth state...

[wary sparrow]

Magy should have to eat certain plants to make it poisonous so it‘s still in theory edible to any carni that killed a Magy that didn‘t follow it‘s diet plan but Magys that follow their diet plan are rewarded with only having cerato as a threat

And maybe depending on the quantity of poisonous plants the Magy ate the toxicity also varies in intensity

[idle ibex]

this isn’t exactly half the size but I guess your right

[azure wadi]

That could work considering Magy is being added with the diet system

[tepid gate]

@idle ibex Both Cerato and Carno on this size comaparison are oversized. Ceratosaurus dentisulcatus weight goes up to around 1t, Carnotaurus weighs 1.8t. I was rounding up with the "double the size" but Carno is pretty close to twice larger.(admittedly Carno may have possibly weighed 2t or slightly above that, Cerato isn't close to 1.5t though)

[barren zephyr]

Carno weighed 1.8T, based on the current scientific consensus

[inner hound]

mind you carno was upped ingame

[barren zephyr]

Ye

[tepid gate]

in game Carno would be approaching 3t in weight going by how large it is and scaling the irl Carnotaurus to its size.

[sonic cloud]

Question: if they upsized Carno why would you think they wouldn’t upsize Cerato

[edgy hamlet]

Cuz it was confirmed its getting a downsize

It will be Dilo-sized

[sonic cloud]

When?

[azure wadi]

[edgy hamlet]

well when the update comes

[sonic cloud]

So no proof?

[edgy hamlet]

dunno why they go for accurate sized with cera and upsize carno tho kinda weird

well i know that it was confirmed, just dont have the link but youll see

[sonic cloud]

Sounds like bullshit but ok

[azure wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/evidence-shia-labeouf-gif-12214483

[edgy hamlet]

lmao sure you can think that

But in any way Carno got heavily upsized

[sonic cloud]

Well until you provide proof don’t act surprised when no one believes you

[edgy hamlet]

and in the concept art you can see the size differences

[azure wadi]

^

[edgy hamlet]

Im not acting surprised? I said you can think that

[sonic cloud]

I don’t see any size comp with carno

Just Allo and Stego

And tbf it looks pretty big compared to the Stego, and we don’t know Allo’s in-game size

[edgy hamlet]

Like i said you dont have to believe me but where is the reason i should lie lol

[sonic cloud]

I’m not saying you’re lying intentionally, I’m saying that you’re talking out your ass with no proof

[azure wadi]

The concept art isn’t the best for size comparisons, in one shot it looks bigger than a deino, in another it looks Magy sized

[edgy hamlet]

Yeah like i said i dont have the link, you dont have to believe me

[sonic cloud]

I wonder why you even believe Cerato is going to be downsized when you don’t actually have any proof that it will be and there are other animals in-game that are upsized already

[edgy hamlet]

I saw it getting confirmed in isle-discussion, i just dont have the link, like i said

[sonic cloud]

So you got no proof

As I said, sounds like bullshit

[edgy hamlet]

Yep like i said you dont have to believe me

You can think that of course

[azure wadi]

If you can’t confirm the confirmation you shouldn’t say that it’s confirmed

[wary sparrow]

Yea but in most concepts they use juvenile animals (like the deino in this concept art and the juvie tenonto in the troodon concept art) so it‘s hard to exactly PinPoint the size of the animal. The stego corpse also looks like a sub adult

[edgy hamlet]

Well if i know its confirmed why wouldnt i? Like i said you dont have to believe me

[wary sparrow]

But yea the devs need to be more consistent with their sizes

[azure wadi]

Juvi deinos and pteranodon are both fish eaters

Also the addition of suchomimus will not be that much of a threat to deino and sucho would just slow down the updates release

[edgy hamlet]

Also a Sucho fighting a stego wouldnt make sense lol

[azure wadi]

Sucho’s a fisher not a fighter

Sucho’s land prey would probably only be small or juvi dinosaurs

[edgy hamlet]

^

[azure wadi]

Also elite fish aren’t out so once sucho reaches adulthood it’ll starve

[edgy hamlet]

Most things can run from it or fight it, so Sucho would have a hard time

[azure wadi]

I could kind of imagine a smaller theropod fisher like Barry or austro but both are way to early in development

That just sounds like herra with extra abilities

[edgy hamlet]

Why would an austro climb lmao

[lone pagoda]

They could fight stegos in legacy but I don't know how they're gonna make sucho's stats so I can't tell

[edgy hamlet]

wasnt it supposed to have a fisher niche

[azure wadi]

^

[edgy hamlet]

i highly doubt that Sucho can fight Stegos, also tbh never saw a sucho kill a stego in legacy

[azure wadi]

Evrima is very different from legacy and sandbox dinosaurs in legacy like stego weren’t properly balanced

[lone pagoda]

Legacy sucho was strong and had lots of hp, which is what i based my suggestion on, i dunno if it's gonna be the same this time though

[edgy hamlet]

But again ew why would austros climb

I mean since sucho is pretty big im sure it wont be weak, but i dont see it attacking a Stego lol, Stegos can fight apexes

I guess itll have lots of hp but not that much damage since it is a fisher

[barren zephyr]

Why in the fresh hell would a fisher like Austro climb

What's it gonna do, fish leaves?

[edgy hamlet]

itll sit there with a fishing rod and fish

[tepid gate]

@sonic cloud The proof of Cerato's downsize is the fact that the old roadmap described it as a "small carnivore" compared to Carno's "medium carnivore". Cerato's always been considered a mid tier in the legacy yet the roadmap labeled it a small animal.

[safe galleon]

@scenic lintel so make austro into herra?

[azure wadi]

Herra with extra steps and feathers

[valid zephyr]

cerato looking pretty similar size to tenoto in the art

which is closer to its legacy size

[safe galleon]

do we have a comparison between cera and teno?

[valid zephyr]

The picture in the top left of the concept art

shows two ceras next to a dead tenoto

i'm personally betting on cerato sticking around legacy size, and magy being scaled up to match it.

[barren zephyr]

Only thing I didn't like about Legacy Cerato is it's damn idle animation. I keep twisting and turning it's head when sitting, or doing anything. It was a good animation but it overlapped a lot of other ones which made it look weird.

[edgy hamlet]

tbh i loved it but they should shrink it down a bit, it was doing that animation all the time lol

Also sure Alberto calls need some more work but that call sounds way too much like a rex lol

@fresh pelican I like where youre going for but i dont think nesting should be forced, maybe give parents a slight boost in stats while they have babys, im sure enough people will nest just for that.

Cuz being forced to nest could get your dino killed many times

[tepid gate]

I think Alberto calls are for the most part better than Carno calls in Evrima. Some of them might need some updating but the general theme and direction they were going for are really good.

[fresh pelican]

I see what you're saying, but I'm not sure even a temporary stat boost would be enough incentive for a lot of people to nest. And nesting doesn't mean you'll be killed right away, just like in legacy players will pick the best areas to nest and since the game will encourage players to keep moving, parents anf offspring will eventually move along too. It woukd be up to the parents to decide whethet to nest all at once, one at a time, etc or whether it's worth the risk to defend their young

[edgy hamlet]

I mean im sure lots of players will nest anyways, but yeah. Maybe a growth boost would help, but im not sure if that could be abused

[jaunty plover]

Bubbles isnt wrong, i distinctly remember a stream where they said it's getting downsized

[tepid gate]

I don't think nesting needs any buffs as it is - you will be passing the perks you have achieved by reaching elder in previous lifetimes to other people by nesting them.

[edgy hamlet]

Its about giving players a reason to nest not getting nested