it was scrapped
#general-feedback-discussion
barren zephyr
jade schooner
Well, it’s too long for proper gameplay
barren zephyr
yea
unless they add a map that's almost exclusively plains
compared to spiro and spero, which ar both mostly jungle
even if you add it
why?
real kraken
When they add the vast open grasslands it'll be alright, you can see predators, the tail does bleed, neck swipe and the stand up stomp thing all sauropods do in the isle
When they release more map their will be huge grasslands
jade schooner
(Also idk who said Maia is too thick, well, it’s a large herbivore, it’s not gonna be a bone thin thing. Best comparison for large animals would be bovines. So... thick. Also muscle attachment to bones, organs and soft tissue on top)
barren zephyr
wasn't maia supposed to fill the cow role anyway
real kraken
I think but people dont play it enough for it to work
jade schooner
wasn't maia supposed to fill the cow role anyway
It was supposed to live up to its name and be a very parental/maternal creature
real kraken
yh
barren zephyr
@gleaming gyro that is already in the game
you just need to be smaller than the body you are trying to drag to rip off a meat chink
*chunk
but your idea is pretty smart tbh
hold g for a full animation
and tap g to just have a small biting animation
thorny lynx
@barren zephyr That's not how flying works.
dense wagon
that's like saying airplanes should hover in place 
barren zephyr
no thats not what i mean
its hard to explain
i guess fly in place is a better way to put it?
my english fuckin sucks
dense wagon
still same thing
flying forward requires lift
and lift requires air moving past wings
for the air to move past the wings you have to be constantly moving forward, or the air needs to be constantly moving forward
either that or you rely solely on thrust like a hummingbird.. which requires immense amounts of thrust, which would tire a pterosaur out very easily
barren zephyr
i'm more so thinking of something like the ptera in ark, or the wyvern in ark. most of those creatures can fly in place. some birds are also able to fly in place, but there would need to be strong wind currents i believe
as a game mechanic i think flying constantly forward is annoying, therefore being able to fly in place would be a bit better
dense wagon
..you realize ark is a game with jumping sauropods, right
barren zephyr
mate i never said it was realistic, im talking about game mechanics more than anything here
dense wagon
ye but they still have to follow basic laws of physics 
barren zephyr
which sauropod are you even talking about? the diplo?
if i recall correctly most sauropods in ark cant jump
dense wagon
diplo gallops and leaps like a horse 
barren zephyr
but its still abiding by the laws of physics is it not? not like its flying away, it just doesnt have any weight to it because ark devs dont know what that is
dense wagon
not having weight is still breaking physics
barren zephyr
well it has weight, just not the weight you would think that dino would realistically have
barren zephyr
it also doesnt really jump, it just gallops,
im not
ark is the furthest thing from something we'd see in real life
dense wagon
and the isle is supposed to reflect real life, only with fictionalized creatures
barren zephyr
but again, im talking game mechanics. the isle isnt very accurate either, so i dont think giving a ptera a "stand in place" mechanic while in the air is really that bad
barren zephyr
accurate in terms of irl dinosaurs
animations
all that stuff
the spino looks like a dragon lol
hell if we're talking realistically, the carno shouldn't even be able to stop on a dime and turn that thing would fall over
so if the game is supposed to reflect real life, that wouldn't ever be possible
azure wadi
Yeah it’d look stupid if ptera could hover
dense wagon
we know what you mean. it wouldn't work
azure wadi
Yeah I know what you meant and my standing on it is still the same
barren zephyr
thats fine, just a suggestion after all
now that i think about it a bit more maybe it wouldn't really work out afterall
dense wagon
what is that
azure wadi
Yes
dense wagon
plucky ridge
The quetz had a “hover” feature and it was quite nice to have. So I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility.
azure wadi
That’d be even more ridiculous then pteranodon 
glass mulch
@random imp our deino is probably heavier than 5000
Probably like 6000 - 6500kg
since its confirmed to be 10 meters long
dapper pulsar
Quetz does look ugly.
azure wadi
azure wadi
Hatzegopterx supporter
dapper pulsar
Hatze is objectively better in every way.
azure wadi
Hatzegopterx is more ugly then quetz
dapper pulsar
That's just wrong.
azure wadi
Anyway I do not fear the island dwelling coward who only ate mini defenseless sauropods because I know that the devs will not replace quetz with hatzegopterx
dapper pulsar
I'm sorry but does your name have "Hatzeg" in it? No., it has "Troodon". Stay in your lane
What do you think Quetz ate?
Tiny defenseless things. Hatzeg occasionally hunted fully grown sauropods!
azure wadi
It ate anything that could fit in its beak
azure wadi
Full grown sauropods that we’re practically tiny and defenseless, Magy is a dwarf sauropod that’s why hatzegopterx could eat it
azure wadi
I'm sorry but does your name have "Hatzeg" in it? No., it has "Troodon". Stay in...
What is this even supposed to mean
dapper pulsar
I'm sorry but a dwarf titan is still a titan. It's impressive none the less.
azure wadi
It’s tiny
dapper pulsar
A Magy would fucking murder anyone in this server.
azure wadi
dapper pulsar
What?
azure wadi
How does killing a human even matter, Magy is still tiny by dinosaur standards
dapper pulsar
By Sauropod standards?
Ignore the pic.
That was for a point about it murdering people.
Tyrannosaurus Rex is tiny by sauropod standards.
azure wadi
By sauropod standards it’s basically mouse
azure wadi
What is your point
dapper pulsar
Hatzeg killed more adult sauropods than Quetz has.
Thus it is more epic and should be added.
azure wadi
There were no cow sized sauropods for quetz to kill because they were too tiny and pathetic to live in North America during the Cretaceous
azure wadi
It could easily spear a Magy on its beak
dapper pulsar
It we move Hatzeg to hell creak as well then Quetz is out competed and dies
Better animal
Objective.
azure wadi
Hatzegopterx is heavier because it didn’t need to take off as quickly on hatzeg island, in hell creek hatzegopterx would get hunted into extinction because the giant theropods would kill it before it takes off
dapper pulsar
You can say it's name.
azure wadi
What
azure wadi
people like you are painfully annoying
azure wadi
I think one of the things about dragging a body is it’s kinda supposed to make you little more vulnerable
glass mulch
Wait... did you just say that only 1 large theropod lived in hells creek....
Have you forgotten about mah boy Tyrannosaurus?
azure wadi
That debate was extremely painful
glass mulch
Wow....
I mean, hatze could be cool but the isle has alot of story things including a quetz
And tbf.... hypo quetz is too cool to give up
azure wadi
I really don’t want you to summon him again, please don’t
glass mulch
azure wadi
glass mulch
azure wadi
Hypo quetz is super cool
glass mulch
Although hypo quetz actually looks more on the hatz spectrum
Shorter neck, longer legs, a more heavy beak
Also a juvie hatz would probably look cute as fuck
but idk, i like quetz more
hybrid matrix
damn, hypo quetz gonna be the size of a fuckin boing 747 at this rate
barren zephyr
I'm pretty sure there was only one giant theropod in Hell Creek.
bruh wat saurophaganax was found in new mexico not hell creek
hybrid matrix
which one is saurophaganax? its the polar allosaur from WWD right?
yes it is the polar allosaur
barren zephyr
no saurophaganax was the outlier allosaurus
it was incredibly large and looked slightly different but was named allosaurus maximus at first
they changed it to saurophaganax
it was as large as a rex
compared to our american allosaurus which is less than half the rex's size
barren zephyr
we never saw aurophaganax in wwwd
wild stone
I love Zann's idea but can't picture how it would work mechanically.
#general-feedback message
dreamy wharf
I was thinking about trying to draw it in paint
But holy hell does paint irk me.
Basically, the whole idea is using your weight and moving it around.
When you're bucking or grappling
You can use your mouse or movement keys to shift over in certain directions
And those who're pouncing or grappling on you, have to respond in kind if they don't want to burn through their stamina.
The shift in weight does an initial set of stamina damage while after that, even if the grappler/pouncer/whatever shifts accordingly to where you lean (so, generally against where their opponent is shifting to) they still have an increased stamina burn. Which, if it's something being pounced or grappled by something else on it's other side it can attempt to equalize the weight.
hybrid matrix
no saurophaganax was the outlier allosaurus
no i mean in the WWD tv show (the movie sucks, i mean the show with david attenborough), in one of the episodes there was a polar allosaur and it was actually saurophaganax
versed zodiac
so what do you guys like. about my suggestion.
azure wadi
Sounds cool
azure wadi
barren zephyr
no i mean in the WWD tv show (the movie sucks, i mean the show with david attenb...
David Attenborough didn't do the narration for Walking with Dinosaurs
hybrid matrix
David Attenborough didn't do the narration for Walking with Dinosaurs
ye im dumb, but idr the guys name
and also i forgot that it wasnt david attenborough
barren zephyr
Kenneth Branagh narrated the programme
The "polar allosaur" in episode 5 is not Saurophaganax
Instead, it's a random theropod only known from an ankle bone. It either belongs to a megaraptoran (maybe Australovenator/a close relative of Australovenator), or an Abelisauroid.
hybrid matrix
ye i just looked it up to check
barren zephyr
In episode 2, there is Allosaurus/Saurophaganax
Dunno where the species is mentioned
barren zephyr
no i mean in the WWD tv show (the movie sucks, i mean the show with david attenb...
yea ik which one you were talking about
that was saurophaganax?
where did they say?
oh wait nvm
yea like I was about to say wdym by polar saurophaganax
@lament patio that's a pretty cool idea
@safe galleon just a note, but frigatebirds don't dive
barren zephyr
They just swoop down and snatch food from the water's surface
allosaurus grapple/grab ability, discuss
Pteranodon actually has been known to dive, based on it's anatomy
safe galleon
yeah but from what we have seen it doesn't dive
barren zephyr
Well that's stupid
Applying irl anatomical science is cool
The skin feeding is just plain dull, not to mention it requires specialised anatomy.
Which the Pteranodon just lacks.
paper geyser
hard agree with keeping sandbox
playing for 5 hours then dying because you dont know how to play as that dinosaur isnt fun, and it shouldnt be "part of the experience" as some say
its annoying and will only drive players away from using long-growth dinos
lilac swallow
Is not actually an unpopular opinion, many people want the option to play sandbox even if they dont play sandbox
edgy hamlet
^
dapper pulsar
I mean, hatze could be cool but the isle has alot of story things including a quetz
Hatzeg could've been worked on before they aquired Quetz and abandoned in a mostly complete state. I've thought of everything.
glove doesn't fit you must add Hatzeg
jovial sleet
hatz is trash. quetz better
jovial sleet
but on the bright side, cant wait to see that new quetz model in game 😌
glossy matrix
The JWE maia is not realistic lmfao
The isle's is
JWE's is shrinkwrapped to hell and butt-ugly
dapper pulsar
JWE designs are a mixed bag.
For every Euoplocephalus you have...
Everything else?
barren zephyr
JWE designs
dapper pulsar
What?
Euoplocephalus is good.
Spinoraptor is also good.
Homalochephale is pretty nice.
That's it.
I looked through all of them and those are the good ones.
Mods help a lot though.
barren zephyr
I dislike all of the JWE designs, god awful. Homalo is like the only decent one imo.
dapper pulsar
I like Euoplo, not a lot but I do.
barren zephyr
Euplo is so adorable and derpy I love it
But jwe was a lot worse than it could’ve been
hybrid matrix
my big problem with JWE is the stats
bc trike is one of the first herbies u make it has terrible stats unless u give it better genes
meanwhile irl trike could body almost anything that came at it
dapper pulsar
Mods help JWE a lot.
steady lintel
realized i suggested basically the same exact thing as you, sorry @drifting ingot
dapper pulsar
Meganeura could be capable of preying on players, but I wasn't feeling it when writing that suggestion.
hot spear
Nametags can already be disabled in the groups menu
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr oh no, now I’m getting choked up. Oh here come the water works. So many memories on legacy...
Me too, I miss the old models a lot
And of course the memories I had there
hybrid matrix
i miss the old rex calls, sandbox, the shorter growth times, and pue
barren zephyr
Oh the old rex calls were so much better
I miss
So much
Oh no
😭
The old allo was one of my favourite
S
pure eagle
@analog ingot I remember dondi streaming, and birds flying away after he broadcast as a utah was shown
dapper pulsar
Ok, so I'm writing a suggestion for Gigantoraptor and I wanna know what's the most popular: Gigantoraptor is seemingly a support class who helps raise eggs, but is incentivized to eat the eggs it helped nurture, Gigantoraptor's just support, or Gigantoraptor is just a generalist like Ovi, but bigger and slower. Maybe, if Ovi is given mimicry, Gigantoraptor could have the ability to cross pack with a stronger version of that ability.
dense wagon
@fallen raven hi, i think i've told you this before, but merch related things goes here
#merch-discussion
potent sparrow
Rex mains be ticking my suggestion with an x
steady lintel
why is a Utah having to bight a rex 10 times or more considered unbalanced in a 1v1
like i genuinely wanna know the thought process
potent sparrow
I said 10 minutes worth of biting
steady lintel
o my bad but still thats all on how often u get bites in
hushed shadow
you even named it right there.. ya know, its a whole lot bigger and also takes a whole lot longer to grow so i honestly dont know how its unbalanced
rexes are also harder to sustain
potent sparrow
Ok but look at legacy for a moment
hushed shadow
yes but this isnt legacy, we have a pounce now
potent sparrow
Just to consider you have to bite it dozens of times and get away
We also have alt turn on
hushed shadow
yes so? you pounce it, which would probably the main way of taking down larger prey as a utah
you need to pick and choose your fights
something that gets to full grown size in ca. 2h shouldnt be able to kill something worth 6h within just 2 minutes
potent sparrow
Some Utah players like to fight rex cus it's a fun thrill. But if it is impossible then it's unbalanced
cyan flame
In any case, a single utah should not ever go near a grown apex of any kind. If you really want to solo an apex, it'd need to both be dumb as a doorknob, and it would probably still take you plenty of time, even with more or less free hits. Even soloing a stego right now, never mind how overtuned pounce is, would still require you do four full pounces + the stamina regen in between, and that's assuming the stego just stands there and lets you do it.
steady lintel
the game is built around to make up for this lack of power with an advantage of numbers anyways
they will probably limit rex to 3 or 2 while utahs make up for it in packs
if you alone its unfortunate but youll have to wait to attack an apex predator
peak oak
im having a problem where im not able to go into my dino stats i cant rest ad cant press esc someone help
steady lintel
a pack should be able to pounce it effectively
dense vale
ya no one would grow a rex for 6 hours if 1 raptor could get you
icy lion
im having a problem where im not able to go into my dino stats i cant rest ad ca...
sounds like a keybinding issue, try this #401464048610312195 message
potent sparrow
I mean I understand it's supposed to be difficult, as long as it isn't impossible. There's a point of it needing to be possible even if slightly. Keeping in mind this is also still a game. If rex was impossible to kill why would anyone grow anything else
flint root
Utah and rex arent the only creatures in the game tho
steady lintel
a slow rex would have to hunt other slow stuff that can kill it
hushed shadow
or ambush its prey and stay hidden, which is harder considering its size
potent sparrow
the problem i see is what can kill a rex other than another apex
dense vale
packs
hushed shadow
everything else if your patient enough
we've seen gallis solo rexes, it just takes a longass time
not everything is supposed to be able to kill a rex though, so i dont see how thats relevant
potent sparrow
lol ok now hold on, gallis are an abomination of the roster xD
hushed shadow
not everything is supposed to be able to kill a rex though, so i dont see how th...
.
potent sparrow
can't wait for rex megapacks
steady lintel
they built in the game
potent sparrow
what is their plan to prevent overpacking other than the game telling you you're at your limit?
hushed shadow
stress, probably debuffs
icy lion
starving as well once ai is more close to complete
potent sparrow
lol i have such a hard time finding AI
(currently)
and when i do, i give the dryo a little nibble and it takes off never to be found again
flint root
You also didnt mention what you wanted changed about utah. Have utah not be 1shot or give utah a more powerful attack?
icy lion
once ai bleeds itll be a lot easier to track
dense vale
balance just needs to be based on numbers since size varies so much. something like, 1 rex = 3 allo = 6 raptor basically balanced on total mass.
dapper pulsar
Gimmicks/abilities also play a part.
peak oak
im having a problem where im not able to go into my dino stats i cant rest and cant press esc someone help, still having this problem
icy lion
did you try the file solution i sent?
potent sparrow
the main trouble i see is fighting big targets while alt turn is now a locked in feature. but i guess that's coming from someone who has played legacy for too long. so i'll just shut up lmao
icy lion
hmm, thats the only solution ive seen so far, its worked for everyone else. you should probably head over to #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 or #🔧-legacy-troubleshooting-🔧 for more help
peak oak
i really want to get this fixed
carmine path
I just deleted my post as it seems to be bothering people
It was a poor suggestion
potent sparrow
i really want to get this fixed
I sometimes get problems where my buttons completely start to fail. Can't eat, sleep, call. Only way I've fixed it is logging out and logging back in
potent sparrow
It was a poor suggestion
Don't need to rub dirt in
peak oak
ive reinstalled the game restated my pc and nothing is working
carmine path
Not rubbing it in but if you want to stand by it people are gonna tell you their opinion towards your suggestions
potent sparrow
Nah I gave up, y'all win. Just thought I was allowed to post opinions
carmine path
You are just not ones that are irrelevant to the current status of the game
potent sparrow
its still just an opinion for a future status, so I don't really care anymore?
just pretend it didn't happen so you can sleep better
i was wrong~
there^
carmine path
Bit rude but whatever suits you _('-')_/
potent sparrow
Not trying to be rude either
dapper pulsar
So I'm gonna go with the traitorous support role for Gigantoraptor.
dapper pulsar
For?
potent sparrow
At any rate Pyro sorry for being rude, I just didn't care to defend myself anymore, I kinda got an earfull lmao
dapper pulsar
Giganto is the perfect size.
potent sparrow
Magy? Magy whatnow?
carmine path
barren zephyr
Holy shit Gigantoraptor is so big
I thought it would be as big as the ovi if not smaller
dapper pulsar
That scale might be a bit fucked. I didn't see the person when sending it. This is a bit more accurate!
It's still like
8 times bigger than Ovi.
potent sparrow
That shape looks so weird for its size. How do those little legs hold it up
barren zephyr
This thing is literally like a giant emu or something
Probably ate a mix of vegetation and small animals like baby dinosaurs n stuff
Works well as a giant jack of all trades, though fitting in such a role is hard.
paper geyser
double jump?
look i know the isle isn't very consistent in terms of realism but really?
azure wadi
It already has a high jump, why does it need to jump again in mid air
maiden anvil
I mean it’s not necessary, I only thought it was a fun thing to do lol
It’s enjoyable to animate sometimes, especially if it considers demonstrating ideas of mine
paper oriole
Double jump is gross, but kicking off a vertical surface to juke would be cool
paper geyser
^^^^ now that would be awesome
make the suggestion homes
wall jump onto a carno's face and spit directly into its eyeball
maiden anvil
Heeeey I can do that!
I still got a tree in the animation so I can use that as the surface 😄
paper geyser
go for it, i'd love to see it
nimble thistle
Thought about blowing up V3 island at the last moment of its existence 
Mostly lore-friendly
maiden anvil
I hope I made it better this time. Once again, thank you for the feedback!
maiden anvil
Thank you!
inner hound
maiden anvil
Thanks! They probably don’t like it cause it really isn’t necessary sense it already got a big jump. Maybe they think it’s too unrealistic
azure wadi
Yeah it was a bit unrealistic and a bit unneeded but the wall jump is
maiden anvil
🙏
azure wadi
So what do you think of the oviraptor ideas
azure wadi
2? What do you mean by 2
Mercs were meant to be in game since the beginning, nothing is gonna stop them from eventually being added but some servers will be able to turn them off
jovial sleet
anyways. i want mercs in the game too💯
paper geyser
yeah i mean its part of the lore, no way to get rid of them really (other than server admins disabling them)
azure wadi
anyways. i want mercs in the game too💯
^
solar salmon
I'm fine with mercs if they give an option to turn them off on different servers, but I do think it's better to not have them and just have tribals instead
safe galleon
yes mercs will be optional to servers
solar salmon
ok good
azure wadi
I think it will be really fun to play as mercs with friends, especially if they add proximity voice chat for mercs
azure wadi
They won’t
azure wadi
Their guns won’t be too strong probably just basic military and hunting weapons
paper geyser
mercs will have very limited weaponry
safe galleon
they won't be op 1 shot rpgs things, they'll probably just have a small shitty handgun with a couple of bullets
azure wadi
Cool to see that we’ve changed your opinion on mercs 
barren zephyr
@steady lintel OH MY GOD THAT ANUROGNATHUS LOOKS SO FLUFFY AND I WANTTOGIVEITAHUG
safe galleon
What do you mean by 2️⃣
could be something about the 2nd idea, I dont see the prolem tho 
azure wadi
That’s my favorite of the 3
I like it because it shows the true story of the “egg thief”
coral yoke
is there anything that can be done for server lag down the line? hit reg and rubber banding seems esp bad on 100+ player servers atm
hollow mirage
Tbh having a backwards and side movement would be great, don't know if they would add a key for it, but having some sorta shift lock for it would be terrific, since turning on large creatures like stego is a lil tough and sometimes gets buggy
languid crown
tbh I think jumping off surfaces is more suited to dryo as he is more of a dodge and weave @maiden anvil
maiden anvil
@languid crown it could also be for utha if it wants to do parkour
azure wadi
@solar salmon death rolls are only used for tearing of pieces of meat to eat, they don’t use it to kill prey, the deino already has the death roll when feeding
solar salmon
<@359413234056429589> death rolls are only used for tearing of pieces of meat to...
Crocs and Alligators do deathroll when trying to kill something, that's why its' called a deathroll. They roll really fast so that they rip off limbs, have you not seen videos of them using it, I suggest you search it up
solar salmon
azure wadi
“Rip off limbs” we don’t do that here, and can you imagine trying to animate a deino deathrolling a live dino without it looking stupid
“Video is not available in your country” huh, unexpected
solar salmon
I think they should make it do extreme damage or even just kill prey if it's small enough
I know it would look weird with it just taking out a leg
and it surviving
but they do use it to kill
azure wadi
But like I said animating it is gonna be almost impossible, either you have it look like it does in ark or the deino just rolls and the dino stands still and it looks mega stupid
solar salmon
I think they could pull something off like an animation when the other animal rolls with it in the future
maybe they're working on something like that now
but a deathroll is a needed attack
and it's gonna take almost all stamina
azure wadi
I have yet to see a big game company do that successfully let alone an indie game
solar salmon
and alot of stamina for the other animal to fight back
I believe they could pull it off
just gonna be really hard
azure wadi
I don’t, I believe that this crew can do some amazing things but that is just too much
solar salmon
because just a grab or normal bite is gonna be really blunt
a deathroll is gonna happen in the future I believe in them
here's another video of a croc deathrolling
azure wadi
I’m telling you you’re expecting too much, they’d have to animate every single dino getting death rolled which is too much for one attack
solar salmon
It won't deathroll everything while fighting it lol
Crocs won't deathroll an elephant while fighting it
if it's small enough to deathroll it could
and I do believe they've thought about it
azure wadi
Have you seen how many dinos can get death rolled
azure wadi
It’s more than half of the dinos in the isle are small enough to get deathrolled
solar salmon
yea?
then they can get deathrolled
but a Rex wouldn't get deathrolled if it's big
azure wadi
They’d have to animate every single one of them
azure wadi
That’s far too much work for only 2 animators and is far too much work for only one attack
solar salmon
I know it's alot of work lol, I've already said that
And it would take alot of time, but they could still pull it off
I don't know what you're arguing about because I agree that it would take alot of time
azure wadi
Sorry buddy it’s never gonna happen, it’s a tall order for even huge game companies
solar salmon
You can't say it's not gonna happen lol
Alot of people said this game is never gonna become anything in the first place
but look at it now
Don't say never
azure wadi
I’m not arguing, im trying to help save you from disappointment because of an unrealistic dream
solar salmon
NEVER SAY NEVER
I'm just saying that I believe they've already thought about it
and that they can make it
but it would take ALOT of time
azure wadi
Let’s agree to disagree because it’s clear no one is winning this, have a nice day
azure wadi
The reason why elders weaken is balance reasons
steady lintel
If you wanna keep a Dino alive forever u can just be a normal adult right ?
azure wadi
Nope, I don’t think so
steady lintel
Bruh
azure wadi
Lifespans will limit the amount of damn adult apexes
I’m pretty sure if you have the correct perks you can extend your life span and become something bigger and meaner, take a guess what that probably is
safe galleon
you gotta meet certain requierments to become an elder, from what I understand that just means eat the right diet
azure wadi
Do you gain perks from becoming an elder and dieing as one
hot spear
Yes
Elders will be optional and if you survive long enough to die of old age as an elder
you will get a perk
azure wadi
And the correct perk path will make you a strain maybe?
steady lintel
What do you think the life span will be for normal adults ?
hot spear
The correct perk path during life will make you an elder
azure wadi
What do you think the life span will be for normal adults ?
I imagine Trex will be able to live for about 6 hours as an elder
hot spear
Or something more terrifying
It could be any of the 3 strains (4 if you include magnas)
azure wadi
The correct perk path during life will make you an elder
But if the correct perk path makes you an elder but you get perks from being an elder and dieing of old age, I’m confused
I imagine each path would lead to a different strain, speed=tisso strength/health=hypo ???=neuro and I imagine magna is in between elder and hypo
hot spear
But if the correct perk path makes you an elder but you get perks from being an ...
There will be perks throughout life that you can get as you grow (for example maybe lil buff to dmg but a lil nerf to health)
While if you die as an elder there could be more powerful perks (such as stronger stat buffs, or skins as a possibility)
azure wadi
Ok so eating the correct diet gives you temporary and elder perks, while old age gives you perks that carry on into your next life, correct?
hot spear
Ok so eating the correct diet gives you temporary and elder perks, while old age...
You get temporary perks by reaching different growth milestones in you're life
Along side if you choose certain temporary perks, and follow a certain diet then you will get elder (which will give you a perk in your next life)
azure wadi
Ok
carmine path
TL;DR You follow a diet become an elder dino live long enough you get choice to get a perk or possibly be a Type-Blank
solid wedge
hypo Deino
azure wadi
Hypo minmi
solid wedge
hypo hypsi
azure wadi
Hypo compy
barren zephyr
Hypo anurognathus
azure wadi
Hmm yes king of the sky’s
dense wagon
i don't believe dryo will have a burrowing mechanic since it's already in evrima with the dodge
but i'm sure that they will add that ability to another animal if not dryo, they won't let a burrowing mechanic go to waste
i'd really like to see prairie-dog-style tunnels that connect to different rooms and such
azure wadi
Dryo will be able to enter and decorate and edit burrows, so it can’t dig by it self but it can have a symbiosis with something that’d can
paper oriole
Denying dryo a burrowing ability just because it has a dodge seems like a bad reasoning. They pampered troodon with 3 mechanics
azure wadi
Dryo will be better when borrowers are in because it can form symbiosis
paper oriole
Meh
dense wagon
Denying dryo a burrowing ability just because it has a dodge seems like a bad re...
fair point
although i'd have expected them to add all of dryo's mechanics right off the bat
they probably don't want it to have burrowing
azure wadi
I think kissen said it won’t get burrow
dense wagon
F
barren zephyr
dense wagon
dryo needs something better
otherwise it's just gonna sit there as an unused ai
I 100% agree, dryo is a boring playable rn
barren zephyr
it's only good thing is a 30 minute growth
dense wagon
i'm stealing that meme if you don't mind
paper oriole
Dryo's special ability is pocket sand
barren zephyr
dryo's special ability should be nope
but it is just dodge
not even close to nope
jovial sleet
any feedback ?
valid zephyr
I'd rather dryo had dilo level night vision than burrowing.
We need some nocturnal herbis.
real kraken
I'd rather dryo had dilo level night vision than burrowing.
We need some nocturn...
yeah
lament patio
@keen sparrow You could give the option to struggle, with the potential of causing damage the farther you limp away. Granted at a faster speed and greater stamina cost as you stated.
keen sparrow
Yea that’s kinda what I was getting at @lament patio
mighty nexus
any feedback ?
yes, i love the idea, this is actually something ive wanted to see for velo for awhile, aside from velo getting some love and playable improvements, the size range of both velo and troodon actually make them perfect for being an unsuspected yet very effective enemy for humans
keen sparrow
Did the devs say anything about certain dinosaurs being immune to venom?
jovial sleet
yes, i love the idea, this is actually something ive wanted to see for velo for ...
just now seeing this but completely agree. velo could literally live up to his potential with this idea instead of being just a boring, small tier who has nothing going on for him. But yeah, that was the goal..make him something humans could definitely be nervous of
icy lion
Did the devs say anything about certain dinosaurs being immune to venom?
i dont think so, but minmi's concept art says its venom resistant. i think thats all we have
lilac swallow
did the concept have the venom resistant minmi thing? totally missed it
vast wolf
i don't see why some venomous animals wouldn't be immune to their own species venom or at least resistant to it.
as it stands now minmi is the only confirmed animal to have built in venom resistance.
violet arrow
as it stands now minmi is the only confirmed animal to have built in venom resis...
Ankylosaurus will probably follow suit
azure wadi
Rhino lizard
barren zephyr
@jade plinth you can already do that, just install legacy and play it. they haven't gotten rid of it yet
you have to opt out of the beta in your steam settings tho
if you install legacy and evrima to 2 different places you can switch between the two without having to reinstall
barren zephyr
np c:
azure wadi
@jade plinth and @cursive mesa don’t discuss in the #general-feedback you can only talk here, don’t respond to stuff there
cursive mesa
Sorry
jade plinth
Sorry
cursive mesa
Oh I also didn't know you could have both versions at the same time
I'll have to ask someone to walk me through that at some point
rocky iris
@small quarry you should put that in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 instead
small quarry
@rocky iris that's only for bugs found on official servers.
rocky iris
aaah my bad
safe galleon
sile looks cool but what does it do?
final star
The new human structures are definitely a nice new thing. Only thing I noticed wrong with the buildings is that the doors are backwards. They need a flip around on the main buildings.
barren zephyr
Well if there's already an occupied raccoon/coati niche, then guess it doesn't fit.
And secondly my main point was that it's a "null" dinosaur
The point is that it's the only one which doesn't have a special ability.
idle ibex
What if, instead of sile having an ability it’s perks are slightly better?
safe galleon
so it's not special and doesn't do anything interesting?
idle ibex
It would allow it to fill a lot of niches very easily, if it gets some perks
And could basically remove much of a need for designated hyper specific niches
barren zephyr
Or alternatively just plain adaptability to environments
For example, it could be a species which can live in forests and open plains, but employing different strategies to survive in these two different habitats.
safe galleon
and what would the strategies be?
barren zephyr
In a forest it would be more reliant on living in groups in order to stay safe, while in open habitats it relies on speed and stamina.
idle ibex
Sile COULD have a timer, of 30 minutes in which if it enters a new biome this triggers. So if it stays in a forest for 30 minutes or over it dodges trees automatically better, and if you stay in grasslands or plains for 30 minutes you get a speed increase, yet lose the forest buff
barren zephyr
Hmmm.
safe galleon
that does sound pretty interesting altough it would limit travelling and exploring, 30 minutes would probably be too long
altough I like that idea
idle ibex
15 then?
safe galleon
yeah 15 sounds pretty good
sonic cloud
You could literally give all those abilities to Oro, Velo and probably even taco.
Those no point making up niches for a redundant animal when we already have animals that have yet to be used
idle ibex
Oro, velo and taco are all AI
sonic cloud
Silesaurus has nothing going for it and is flat out useless. Cool ideas but give them to dinosaurs we already have
safe galleon
oro, velo and taco are ai in legacy
idle ibex
In sandbox
safe galleon
yeah, they were ai in legacy
idle ibex
It seems unlikely for players to be able to play brachiosaurus completely freely, as a first choice
sonic cloud
I mean the devs have said that all ai will be playable but ok
safe galleon
yes Im on your side, Im saying that they were ai in legacy and things will change in evrima
idle ibex
I don’t see how oro, velo or taco could benefit from it tho
Sile would have more health and be faster overall,
Atleast from what I’m getting
safe galleon
they would benefit the same way that sile would by getting the same boosts, health and speed doesn't really apply
sonic cloud
And how would silesaurus benefit from it? It seems like someone went “hey lets bring this useless creature into the game, because it has no niche I guess ill just make up new abilities for it” you could literally do the exact same with Velo, Oro and Psittacosaurus but then atleast you’d be using up assets that we already have.
safe galleon
just cause a creature is bigger/faster doesn't mean it's more important
barren zephyr
My idea for sile is that it's like a raccoon or fox
Adaptable omnivore, found in a wide range of environments
sonic cloud
Literally any small animal can be a racoon or fox
Hell troodons already small, omnivorous and nocturnal
At least irl
It’s just a waste of money to bother adding when we already have unused assets just laying about
barren zephyr
TI decided to turn Troodon into a venomous hypercarnivore thanks to Jurassic Park: The Game.
sonic cloud
It would still be far less work to make troodon a min raccoon alongside it’s current niche than to add x redundant waste of money
Especially because the niche complements troodon as we know it’ll be in-game well
barren zephyr
Frankly enough this otherwise applies to literally any new creature being made.
Well, stuff happens to be expensive to make in TI, due to the fact that the dev team is a literal company.
idle ibex
Oro, velo and taco all cannot be reused without “wasting money”. Due to the fact they would all need models, animations, functions, calls and everything else. It would cost in fact less money to bring in one, than 3 of them. Especially since every ai is gonna be playable.
barren zephyr
It'd be fairly hard to implement them in anyway
I mean Hypsi, for example, already steals taco's niche
safe galleon
models we already have
most of the calls stay the same with slight touch up
a completely new creature would need everything
wait hypsi steals tacos niche???
barren zephyr
Both are pint sized herbivorous bipeds.
safe galleon
that's like saying rex steals spinos niche
barren zephyr
that's like saying rex steals spinos niche
No it isn't
Rex and Spino are distinct
One is a bone crushing apex predator with teeny arms, and the other is a fish eating weirdo
safe galleon
hypsi jumps and lives in trees and vomits
taco burrows and doesn't even have a jump
how are these two stealing the same niche???
barren zephyr
Oh
idle ibex
They won’t re use legacy models bruh, it wouldn’t be too great of a look if your company didn’t make new models for creatures they’re adding into something that’s supposedly adding new everything. All though the community loves tacos, and oros. I still don’t think just taking legacy models would be too appreciated, as firstly if a remodel for them came out, would require added coding, time and money to change all of them.
Why use more money on 3 things people are already used to, instead of using less on something brand new?
safe galleon
they are literally using the same utah and carno model in the game right now
barren zephyr
No, they're close replicas
safe galleon
no they're the same models with slight touch ups
safe galleon
but not as much money as making a entirely new creature
idle ibex
Keeping a membership for whatever modeling service they have costs the exact same, not to mention touching up old creatures means having to work on several models, fixing their old legacy code which requires days of searching for the fails, or adding entirely new code to all of them, paying their developers for working on more than one project, taking more time before they are released, and due to carnivore AI coming out, they would be even as players most probably killed a lot as young or even adults. These are many reasons why adding 3 old ones is worse than 1 new
barren zephyr
Yes.
safe galleon
but the 3 old ones wouldn't do the exact same thing
barren zephyr
You have to either go through multiple days of fixing faulty legacy code, or rebuilt it from scratch.
safe galleon
well seeing as they already put in the old carno and utah it's clear that they do go through the effort of that
barren zephyr
Well the utah and carno are more or less core dinosaurs, as are the rex, stego and trike, among other things.
safe galleon
and?
barren zephyr
Well still making a wholly new animal is not as bad as trying to remake multiple ones from a previous version of the game
Though the Devs probably have remaking the taco and oro on their to do list
green acorn
hi, I have just played the game after updating and noticed quite a significant fps drop (from 50 - 60 to 20 - 25). Did anyone else experience this? Thanks!
brittle ivy
@steep latch Can you toss me coordinates for that map hole? Thanks!
azure wadi
The introduction of buildings is great even if you can’t play as a person because it brings the game even closer to its lore and actually ties the lore into the map pretty easily
steep latch
<@460186729027207168> Can you toss me coordinates for that map hole? Thanks!
sure just let me get in game
@brittle ivy
brittle ivy
Thank you, we appreciate it!
barren zephyr
@daring nacelle Whats wrong with the building? Is there something sticking out of it? I can't tell what that is
icy lion
it looks like a decal for wear and tear thats pasted over the building
and since its a decal, it isnt properly conforming to the shape of the building (the black bars)
its hard to see since the screenshot has low lighting
daring nacelle
@barren zephyr the "wear" spot which for me is flat, without relief and which is not at all realistic. I find it ugly and not consistent with the rest of the game. Obviously that's just a detail.
barren zephyr
I see what you're saying now
random imp
is it me or there is a massive problem with fps? when other people are around i get like 5 fps
eternal owl
@zenith onyx Velo will be fully capable of killing other things, like compsy AI, proto, taco, and if it gets a pounce or some other nice ability, it could take on larger things (in groups)
thorny lynx
I cannot see Velo killing anything larger than Minmi.
Little buggers only weighed 15kg.
severe idol
@thorny lynx
The Isle Memes will not be returning any time soon. Sorry.
thorny lynx
Um. At least have it just be read only?
whole idol
cant wait for humans 
thorny lynx
@carmine kernel I knew I was not going insane when I noticed a pair of stego plates were much more floppy near the base of the tail. It bothered me.
paper oriole
Pteranodon would be scavenging inland too tho
keen sparrow
Does anyone think it’s kinda weird for ptera to be a skim feeder?
I feel like it would be more accurate and more engaging if it dove into the water or something similar
barren zephyr
Pteranodon would be scavenging inland too tho
But why have the devs turned a reptilian seabird into a scavenger ffs
paper oriole
I mean many modern seabirds also scavenge
barren zephyr
Pteranodon is barely able to even pluck a piece of meat out of a carcass with that set of curved tweezers called it's beak
thorny lynx
I feel like it would be more accurate and more engaging if it dove into the wate...
It needs to run before it can take off into the air. If it were to dive, it would not be able to fly back up like birbs.
barren zephyr
It needs to run before it can take off into the air. If it were to dive, it woul...
Pteranodon can launch from the water
But it can't float like a bird
barren zephyr
Pteranodon was not a skim feeder, and this behaviour is not supported supported by anatomical evidence, it's actually opposed by anatomical evidence.
It's robust neck and shoulders, cushioning airsacks and pointed beak make it ideal for plunge diving like a gannet, especially since it can actually fold back it's wings.
keen sparrow
Yea they say it would have been too big to keep the momentum going to actually skim through the water
barren zephyr
And while it can't float on the water very well due to being front heavy, it can take off from water nontheless
thorny lynx
Pteranodon was not a skim feeder, and this behaviour is not supported supported ...
Devs say "fuck you" to science here, which is sad, because one of the devs work for Saurian, and another one retired from it.
keen sparrow
But you gotta also keep in mind that it’s a game
Yea exactly
And plus it would be pretty cool to see a ptera get snatched by a deino while it’s skimming
barren zephyr
Devs say "fuck you" to science here, which is sad, because one of the devs work ...
Well at least have some respect for realism
Y'know, biomechanics and so forth
keen sparrow
One thing I really don’t like tho is the new spino
thorny lynx
Well at least have some respect for realism
I agree. Respecting biomechanics and anatomy makes the creature feel all more real and not just "ooo pretty flap birb skree skree"
I despise Rhino Anky.
paper oriole
Rhino anky can die
barren zephyr
Not necessarily maintaining accuracy to the fossil record, but actually having the anatomy work how it would if put into practice in real life
keen sparrow
T. Rex hybrid 2015 spino is worse
Make it have a paddle tail and a longer snout then I’ll be happy
barren zephyr
For example, pterosaurs were very efficient at quad launching from the ground, thanks to tendons and whatnot
paper oriole
Eh i think theyre tied, at least they can use crappy JP fanboyism as an excuse for ruining spino
carmine kernel
<@449658059170512896> I knew I was not going insane when I noticed a pair of ste...
it's very distracting >.<
All you have to do is focus on something in the background while trotting around and that one plate becomes very obvious
barren zephyr
And for some reason TI's ptera takes off like an albatross despite being too front heavy, and it being actually less efficient than quad launch
thorny lynx
T. Rex hybrid 2015 spino is worse
We have a T-rex hybrid spino NOW. At least the other Spino looked aquatic!
Our Spino does not look like it knows what it wants to do. Thick legs, big belly, Rex teeth, crocodile tail...
Are you aquatic or terrestrial?
mental sleet
barren zephyr
I hope and pray we got an alternative Spino skin/model at some point that's optional.
keen sparrow
We have a T-rex hybrid spino NOW. At least the other Spino looked aquatic!
Our ...
Yea that’s what I meant. The new evrima spino
carmine kernel
it has no right being called a spino
keen sparrow
I mean at least make it look a little like a spino
barren zephyr
I mean Primal Carnage, which has a less accurate Pteranodon model than TI has, actually has quadrupedal launching for the pterosaur.
It's like that ugly hybrid of a spino and a rex.
carmine kernel
it's just a rex with a sail
barren zephyr
The love child.
thorny lynx
If I could change our Spino, I would give it the normal Spino head but keep the angy eyes, make the sail a little bit bigger, thin the legs just a little bit, and give the paddle tail
keen sparrow
Yep
thorny lynx
Our Spino looks... cartoonish. So does our Rex. The angy brows are over the top on both models.
barren zephyr
Rex is sooo skinny.
barren zephyr
Rex is sooo skinny.
Mhm, 2000s/early 2010s lean reconstruction
thorny lynx
It feels too JP inspired. Small legs and all.
paper oriole
Rex needs to be thicker, spino needs to stop trying to be rex
barren zephyr
Any one else notice the skins look pretty much the same on rex, spino, and deino?
And what about giga and acro
Greenish and then red crest/detail.
keen sparrow
And didn’t tapwing even make spino art that had the paddle like tail?
thorny lynx
What I would do is take 2020 Spino, make its legs longer, webbed toes, give it beefy arms, and slightly thicker teeth. Boom. Terrestrial spoon.
barren zephyr
Yes.
keen sparrow
Too bad they didn’t use it
barren zephyr
Here's the concept art.
carmine kernel
^ he's too beefy
barren zephyr
Very.
carmine kernel
spino should be long boi
barren zephyr
Probably can't even swim efficiently with than skinny tail
The design is cool but doesn't fit.
thorny lynx
The eyes are in the wrong socket in the final model. You know that large gap in the skull that looks like a triangle? That's where the eyes are. They should be in the eye socket near the top of the head.
keen sparrow
We need long boi
barren zephyr
I want Sue rex but modified.
carmine kernel
just imagine the evrima spino swimming
keen sparrow
Lmao I was just about to say that
carmine kernel
now imagine a long boi spino swimming
barren zephyr
Elegant giant.
carmine kernel
there is no comparison
keen sparrow
A true beauty
thorny lynx
Somebody needs to just say no to Dondi's JP nostalgia and silly ideas.
barren zephyr
Yes.
keen sparrow
Yes
barren zephyr
Fuck JP.
carmine kernel
or just call them monsters and not dinosaurs
barren zephyr
Are they still going forward with the stupid dilo spit mechanic?
keen sparrow
And they made him even chunkier than the concept art
thorny lynx
Hippo spino would work if it had short legs and webbed feet and a chunky midsection.
Long legs would not work.
barren zephyr
Taking a lot of inspiration off of that film like countless other pieces of media is not a good idea.
keen sparrow
I just really want it to look slightly more like the 2020 reconstruction
Then I would be happy
carmine kernel
I dream of the day we get a game with a spino like this
barren zephyr
Hell here I would argue our legacy version was a bit more accurate than the evrima version.
And Fred drew that
thorny lynx
I dream of the day we get a game with a spino like this
Baby
keen sparrow
It was
barren zephyr
Well he's a legit paleoartist
Fluffy utahs when?
He's got a lot of his illustrations on Wikipedia.
keen sparrow
And currently giga rex and spino are all kinda similar so having a long boi spino would really spice things up
barren zephyr
Slice things up hehe
thorny lynx
The spino animations are weightless garbage, too. Spino actually would get airtime running, and by doing so, would break its ankles.
carmine kernel
This is so much scarier than our naked gremlin
keen sparrow
That looks epic
barren zephyr
Yes!!
keen sparrow
I want that Utah
carmine kernel
utahraptor was the beefcake of raptors
ours looks too much like deinonychus
give me grizzly bear utahraptor
keen sparrow
I think it would be nice if they gave us options
barren zephyr
Oh and then there's the stork austro... yikes.
And there's this Carcha, also drawn by Fred
Soft.
keen sparrow
Silky smooth.
barren zephyr
A giga which looks similar would be epic
thorny lynx
Honestly? I agree. Dondi's JP nostalgia can fuck off. Yes, I get it, Novaraptor is fine. But this is 2020. Can we deviate from 2010 spino just a little bit more? We can have 2020 spino and make it chunky and terrifying on land.
carmine kernel
Fred's Austro
barren zephyr
Forget spiky monstrous fella, smooth fella wins over
carmine kernel
the new concept is...hmmmm
barren zephyr
I love his allo.
keen sparrow
He’s got a long face
barren zephyr
The austro rn isn’t *bad*
They f**ked up the head anatomy
keen sparrow
Yea
barren zephyr
So it's brows are extendable ridges of bone.
I hope they give us the option for lips.
That's a lot of things gone wrong.
keen sparrow
Allos actually pretty accurate compare to everything else
barren zephyr
Aaah, the sue rex. Soft but terrifying.
This neovenator
That's true.
Looks rather epic
carmine kernel
yeah I can't complain about our allo model
barren zephyr
I'd argue the allo is the most accurate in the game thus far.
keen sparrow
Yea and carno somewhat
barren zephyr
So anyway. I rather wouldn't throw science out of the window.
Yes. A little if you exclude its dumb and overdone animations.
carmine kernel
legacy carno > evrima carno
keen sparrow
What about beipiaosaurs?
carmine kernel
everima carno is too floppy
barren zephyr
Agreed.
carmine kernel
why is everything so floppy D:<
barren zephyr
What about beipiaosaurs?
Hellishly speculative.
Bryan animates stuff after ostriches.. I believe.
No shade towars him, hes super talented.
Towards*
thorny lynx
No shade towars him, hes super talented.
Emu animations do not work for something that weighs over 500kg.
barren zephyr
Mhm.
carmine kernel
only dino that's appropriate for would be Galli
barren zephyr
This is a legitimate scientific restoration of the animal.
keen sparrow
Floof
keen sparrow
Beipia
barren zephyr
Aww.
keen sparrow
I mean hypsi was also
thorny lynx
It fuzzy chimken
keen sparrow
Yes plsss
carmine kernel
yes give me the giant duck
thorny lynx
Deinocherius, I'd love to see it in game.
Bitch, me too. Up top, my ducc fren.
barren zephyr
But Kulindadromeus from Russia gives a good idea of what standard ornithopod feathering may have been like
carmine kernel
I wouldn't be surprised if Hypsi had dino fuzz
barren zephyr
Give us feathers or give us... skinwrapped and ugly naked dinos.
keen sparrow
But I’m not complaining cuz his model looks good
barren zephyr
keen sparrow
So they basically just gave him a tail?
barren zephyr
Feathering around the torso, head and limbs, but the ankles, feet and tail are free of feathers.
thorny lynx
But Kulindadromeus from Russia gives a good idea of what standard ornithopod fea...
Hopefully, when modding comes in, we can have Sue Rex, aquatic spino, and everything we could ever want.
barren zephyr
Yes.
keen sparrow
What about theri...
barren zephyr
thorny lynx
Giv kisses.
carmine kernel
with people for scale
keen sparrow
Soft
barren zephyr
Sue is hella chonk
carmine kernel
you tell me that behemoth isn't terrifying
keen sparrow
Yea sue rex would honestly look really good in the isle
thorny lynx
She would need those angy brows for people to like her in The Isle. Otherwise, she is perfect.
barren zephyr
Tyrannosaurus happens to have two different "morphs". A robust morph (which chunky specimens like Sue are classified as) and a gracile morph (which is leaner)
carmine kernel
that spino is still just a rex with a sail
keen sparrow
Literally
thorny lynx
that spino is still just a rex with a sail
And crocodile tail.
barren zephyr
Ye
carmine kernel
and bigger arms...but you get the point, he ain't a spino D:<
thorny lynx
Spinosaurus rex
keen sparrow
What was that concept art from tapwing that actually had spinos paddle tail?
Or am I thinking of something else
thorny lynx
Can we just call this thing a Spino x Rex hybrid and be doen with iy?
strange wave
can you identify it as spino at a glance?
carmine kernel
honestly, compared to the 2020 spino, no
barren zephyr
can you identify it as spino at a glance?
Yes, but the resemblance is superficial only.
strange wave
thats not what i asked, can you say its spino at a glance
barren zephyr
I'd rather call it Spinosauroides and not Spinosaurus.
keen sparrow
Yea
thorny lynx
can you identify it as spino at a glance?
Jp spino, yes. And jp spino is trash
carmine kernel
Given the past depictions of spino, yes, but I would not call it a spino now.
barren zephyr
Because it's not a Spinosaurus.
keen sparrow
And you could basically say that about any creature
carmine kernel
I may as well call it an oversized bipedal dimetrodon.
barren zephyr
Yes
strange wave
great, its spino, now please, this has been going on for over a year, its not changing, i, like many others, are sick of this shit, stop it
barren zephyr
Utahraptor, more like Jurassic Park bootleg
keen sparrow
But we like long boi ):
barren zephyr
Well it very clearly does resemble the one in Jurassic Park. It even has a similar call...
thorny lynx
We are tired of Jurasshit Pork. If we wanted a Jurassic Park game, we would have bought it.
strange wave
you did
thorny lynx
I bought a survival game with dinosaurs. Not jurassic park sim
strange wave
im sorry, but did you not read the description of the game like all the people asking for there not to be humans?
strains?
barren zephyr
The Isle originally had more accurate dinosaurs (though a lot of models were bought from The Stomping Land)
And now accuracy has pretty much been degraded into almost total nothingness.
mental sleet
Did you ever think the isle was meant to have accurate creatures ?
strange wave
yes, because old isle spino was soooo much more accurate
carmine kernel
who ever said it was?
thorny lynx
yes, because old isle spino was soooo much more accurate
The eye was at least in its proper socket and not the air socket below itm
mental sleet
Nobody, otherwise we wouldn't have half our roster Nakara.
barren zephyr
yes, because old isle spino was soooo much more accurate
It was accurate to 2013 skeletals, and there was a (ditched) alt model which resembled the 2014 reconstruction.
strange wave
The eye was at least in its proper socket and not the air socket below itm
and rex is missing four teeth
mental sleet
Fluff nobody except you would ACTUALLY notice that on the animal.
Do you think the random player who just wants to play the game is going to notice that an animal has the eyes on the wrong socket ?
thorny lynx
Do you think the random player who just wants to play the game is going to notic...
Do not give me that just just because you have failed to have a basic understanding of anatomy and physiology.
barren zephyr
Yes.
mental sleet
This, is, not Saurian.
barren zephyr
This, is, not Saurian.
Yes, but this is a discussion regarding anatomical accuracy.
thorny lynx
This, is, not Saurian.
at least have eyes where their nose SHOULD NOT BE.
strange wave
Do not give me that just just because you have failed to have a basic understand...
stop trying to use the, "im smarter than you so you cant talk" argument, it makes you seem like a pretentious douche
carmine kernel
Anyway, I don't want to argue. I realize this is the Isle, it's not meant to be realistic. But I'm a little tired of dinosaurs in media being depicted as JP clones.
barren zephyr
Anyway, I don't want to argue. I realize this is the Isle, it's not meant to be ...
Well I'd agree with that
keen sparrow
Ok, in my opinion, all it needs is it’s model reworked. We don’t need peak accuracy, we need something that doesnt look like a T. rex hybrid
carmine kernel
We have learned so much more since those movies.
barren zephyr
Yes.
carmine kernel
Dinosaurs are so much more interesting than they're often depicted.
strange wave
Ok, in my opinion, all it needs is it’s model reworked. We don’t need peak accur...
and you realize that this is not going to happen
mental sleet
They could probably garner the 3k needed to rework the model bork.
barren zephyr
The films were the things that brought the depiction of dinosaurs as active animals onto the big screen, now we need to improve.
thorny lynx
Would it really cost three thousand dollars to add a paddle tail, slap old Spino skull, and make the sail taller?
keen sparrow
I do realize that but it’s still something that should be brought up since you can’t deny that fact that it does look very similar to a rex
strange wave
They could probably garner the 3k needed to rework the model bork.
it was 8k, remember, animations need to be reworked as well
mental sleet
No, bork, that was back when we had less than 100 animations.
barren zephyr
Using designs inspired by reconstructions which are outdated by several decades is not great.
mental sleet
Also if the model change was relatively minor, it would not need new animations.
barren zephyr
strange wave
The films were the things that brought the depiction of dinosaurs as active anim...
balance says spino cannot, deinosuchus says yes, they would love free food
carmine kernel
honestly with all the changes that would be needed, it would be very expensive to "fix" spino, so I don't blame them for leaving it as it is.
mental sleet
Eg: Minor changes to Terrestrial Spino would not be anywhere near as much as the semi-bipedal or Hippo Spino
There's also perhaps them not wanting to, Nakara.
barren zephyr
Well there's that design by Tapwing which might work decently
mental sleet
I'm certain that if the team wanted a "fixed" Spino, they'd have one.
carmine kernel
Yep, and that's fine too.
barren zephyr
Though it's got that gritty legacy feel.
thorny lynx
"I will personally beat anyone to death with a keyboard who suggests we have 2020 Spino" - Dondi
You know, I am tired of people laughing off that kind of behavior.
carmine kernel
Doesn't mean I like the thing, it's just a derpy rex with a sail.
mental sleet
Yeah because people asking for that animal do not realize just how shit it would be in this game.
It's not a "this looks better"
it's a ''this animal will behave and fight entirely differently''
strange wave
Doesn't mean I like the thing, it's just a derpy rex with a sail.
its missing, tail, legs, thats it
thorny lynx
Yeah because people asking for that animal do not realize just how shit it would...
I suggested 2020 spino with thicker arms and legs, thicker, more rex-like teeth, and paddle tail.
barren zephyr
I'm still tired of having JP inspired stuff
mental sleet
is 2020 that bent-over bipedal spinosaurus or the stupid hippo ?
Because both are bloody dreadful.
carmine kernel
it's bipedal
barren zephyr
Spinosaurus is not a super-predator, and never will be.
strange wave
I suggested 2020 spino with thicker arms and legs, thicker, more rex-like teeth,...
so you want a rex with short legs and a paddle tail, thats worse
strange wave
is 2020 that bent-over bipedal spinosaurus or the stupid hippo ?
just, newt dragon is the best way to describe it
barren zephyr
Unless you use a reconstruction from around a decade and a half ago
carmine kernel
I don't want a rex with short legs, I want a semi-aquatic giant piscavore
we already have a rex
strange wave
I don't want a rex with short legs, I want a semi-aquatic giant piscavore
great, you have that, thats spino, 2020 spino is food, and cannot function in the isles ecosystem unless you remove around half the roster
barren zephyr
Well you can force Deino to be stuck in certain environments only. It's a marine croc after all.
thorny lynx
so you want a rex with short legs and a paddle tail, thats worse
No, I want aquatic spinosaurus that is capable of holding its own on land.
Our spino does not look aquatic. It is not hydrodynamic like a crocodile, it does not have grappling teeth to hold slippery fish, it does not have the density required to run on the bottom of the ocean like a hippo. It is terrestrial. It is not aquatic.
keen sparrow
^ yes
strange wave
No, I want aquatic spinosaurus that is capable of holding its own on land.
Our ...
things that only you would notice, nobody else fucking cares that its not hydrodynamic and that its not got hippo levels of fat, they see a viable and cool looking playable and want to play it
carmine kernel
great, you have that, thats spino, 2020 spino is food, and cannot function in th...
I mean, REAL spino contended with giants in its own time
thorny lynx
We have two terrestrial apexes. Can we just have an ocean predator with other ocean predators? Pliosaurs, plesiosaurs, ichthyosaurs, livyatan, Xiphactinus, Spinosaurus. All those creatures and so much more can be so enriching.
mental sleet
Fluff, all Spino is, on land, is a big, unwieldy, bear.
strange wave
I mean, REAL spino contended with giants in its own time
you mean it evolved to get out of their way when they started to get on the same size tier as them, yes, amazing contending for that position
barren zephyr
Fluff, all Spino is, on land, is a big, unwieldy, bear.
Yes, because it's highly adapted for being an aquatic predator.
thorny lynx
things that only you would notice, nobody else fucking cares that its not hydrod...
Nice to know tje majority of tje playerbase have the brain of a ten year old child.
mental sleet
Fluff's argument is that Spino's a terrestrial apex, which I can debunk by explaining how all it does on land is hope something runs into it.
carmine kernel
you mean it evolved to get out of their way when they started to get on the same...
it shared its rivers with sarchosuchus, so it didn't just go aquatic to escape the land giants
strange wave
We have two terrestrial apexes. Can we just have an ocean predator with other oc...
yes make an entire other ecosystem because you want a newt dragon, outstanding move, where are you getting the 60k for that amount of animals
strange wave
it shared its rivers with sarchosuchus, so it didn't just go aquatic to escape t...
sarco lived with sucho, nice try bub
crude ingot
that stored fat suggestion is good, I saw something similar in an old animal sim game I played and it worked great, I like it
thorny lynx
yes make an entire other ecosystem because you want a newt dragon, outstanding m...
I have my suspicion AE will win a lawsuit against DigitalGenetics after he stole Jake's models and posed them to be used for stock image licensing on several websites.
barren zephyr
Fluff's argument is that Spino's a terrestrial apex, which I can debunk by expla...
Spinosaurus obviously is not a terrestrial apex irl, but making it look like one in-game because of some blockbuster movie is (a) not original and (b) sickening for someone who doesn't want to see such stuff.
strange wave
I have my suspicion AE will win a lawsuit against DigitalGenetics after he stole...
great, doesnt change shit
barren zephyr
The JP3 Spinosaurus is just an allosaur but with a sail and a funny snout
That's pretty much what it is.
mental sleet
By that reasoning Trike is an Ankylosaurus without most of the armor, the tail club, and with three horns on the head.
thorny lynx
Fluff, all Spino is, on land, is a big, unwieldy, bear.
And Rex does it better. Jaws go snap. Spino loses all its teeth. The end. Why do we need ANOTHER land apex? Why do we need to modify Spinosaurus so goddamn much to fit it in the game?
What does our Spino even do? Compete with Deino for fish? Scare Allos off kills? Slap rexes around until Rex rips its arm off?
minor basalt
carno just utah with horns
barren zephyr
By that reasoning Trike is an Ankylosaurus without most of the armor, the tail c...
No it's not, because it's not a speculative reconstruction based on little if any material
We actually have full skeletons of Triceratops, thus we know what it probably looked like in terms of build.
Definitely not an ankylosaur.
minor basalt
Really?
barren zephyr
Back then Spinosaurus was known from some sail bones and some lower body material like the hips n stuff, but other than that not a lot.
mental sleet
Fluff, every animal in this game that needs to be modified to fit a role will be modified to fit that role.
Look at our Tenontosaurus for god's sake.
strange wave
our tenonto is armored, extended, and given an arsenal of weapons, but apparently that slides
thorny lynx
Look at our Tenontosaurus for god's sake.
At least it looks like a Tenonto.
At least Carno looks like a Carno.
At least Utahraptoe looks like a Raptor.
Spino is the laziest piece of shit I've ever seen out of all these new models. Rex with a smooshed face, sail, beefy arms, and crocodile tail. It does not even look new. It has less polygons than the old model. There. I said it. I hate the new spino.
strange wave
great, but, i'll go back to my first point, do the general public look at it and see, spino?
thorny lynx
great, but, i'll go back to my first point, do the general public look at it and...
Yes, because they are blinded by nostalgia.
mental sleet
The fuck.
barren zephyr
great, but, i'll go back to my first point, do the general public look at it and...
This has nothing to do with the general public, pal
lethal silo
strange wave
Yes, because they are blinded by nostalgia.
so because they dont agree with you they are wrong
mental sleet
It does, soup, because fluff's argument relied on the opinion of the public.
kindred flare
Dude nobody wants to play quadrapedal spino
mental sleet
basically, all animals can be modified but should be recognizable, and even in that state, everybody who looks at our Spino can say ''this dino be a spino''
barren zephyr
Dude nobody wants to play quadrapedal spino
We aren't asking for a quad sailback, the argument is about having something which doesn't look like a JP3 bootleg
keen sparrow
If the general public saw a longer spino with corrected proportions would they still call it a spino
thorny lynx
If you took that sail away, it would look like a deformed rex.
keen sparrow
I would assume so
barren zephyr
Long snout + sail = spino
minor basalt
Ye but they aren't taking the sail away
barren zephyr
Pretty simple combo
strange wave
We aren't asking for a quad sailback, the argument is about having something whi...
ok
kindred flare
? How are you going to make spino interesting to play WITHOUT making it look like JP3 spino
barren zephyr
And it won't make too big of a difference if it's an in accurate 2000s reconstruction or the 2020 reconstruction
strange wave
If you took that sail away, it would look like a deformed rex.
by this logic, allo, cerato, alberto, giga, acro... are all deformed rexes