spinos have already been determined to have its kuckles break if it walked on them
#general-feedback-discussion
worn pumice
barren zephyr
But some theropod with the ability to go quad mode (with no scientific justification, like a lot of speculative abilities and designs for creatures in TI) would be interesting
ebon crypt
Evrima spino is a maybe, but sucho and bary is a nah
worn pumice
sucho quad is cursed
nova anchor
sorry but quad spino looks dumb
barren zephyr
sorry but quad spino looks dumb
Tbh it does.
icy lion
id rather just have a quadrupedal carni than a biped theropod animated as a quadruped
nova anchor
yes
ebon crypt
Presto
median ore
Agreed Super
worn pumice
id rather just have a quadrupedal carni than a biped theropod animated as a quad...
m e g a l a n i a p l s
nova anchor
presto yeah
icy lion
megalania is confirmed so my focus is presto
median ore
Also - real animals don't care if they look dumb. 😂
barren zephyr
m e g a l a n i a p l s
Megalania is a monitor lizard thingy
It is just a big monitor lizard, actually
arctic nimbus
When apexes crouch, they don't full on squad like they do in legacy, so a Spino crouching is probably not reaching the ground with its forelimbs.
median ore
It's what I love about real animals. They can be weird and dumb and still function in their niche.
ebon crypt
I feel like people judge evrima spino a lot already, letting it go quad might break someone
worn pumice
presto would be pretty lit tbh
icy lion
presto would be so fun its ridiculous
worn pumice
ebon crypt
Presto is Chad.
median ore
Dragon, the fact that a quad spino might break some players makes me want quad spino more
ebon crypt
Good for you
worn pumice
i think in game a quad spino would look lit if it was crouching only
arctic nimbus
Now if they wen't for something like this beauty, then I can see it working
hollow mirage
I can see it being quad in an idle animation for a minute or two
ebon crypt
Besides, we already have a quad spino
icy lion
isle spinos legs are just way too long for any sort of 4-leggedness
dapper pulsar
I think that we've already failed with Spino so we should stop trying to inject interesting back into it.
median ore
Neuro, that concept I can't see going quad, no.
worn pumice
id much rather not have spino quad and get presto the chad
hollow mirage
im scarred already, there is a duck waddle quad belly sliding spinosaur. please no quad spino in the isle ;-;
nova anchor
spino quad just looks absurd
worn pumice
qud spino is cursed
arctic nimbus
Or maybe something like this
hollow mirage
woke
ebon crypt
Here's your quad spino
worn pumice
lol
icy lion
tapwing drew a realistic spino not long after the 2020 findings came out and its great
nova anchor
Here's your quad spino
🤢
median ore
tapwing drew a realistic spino not long after the 2020 findings came out and its...
I know I saw it! I love 2020 spino.
dapper pulsar
The croco duck is great.
barren zephyr
Actually, why not make the current hypo spino less hypo-y
icy lion
if hyper rex is getting a redo id imagine spino and giga might too
barren zephyr
Then you have a sail backed quadruped
icy lion
dimetrodon 
barren zephyr
Dimetrodon
ebon crypt
Many people have already spoke up about how H-spino has actually some pretty realistic proportions if you take away the monster part
dapper pulsar
It's not my favorite, but it's way above our current Spino.
hollow mirage
It's not my favorite, but it's way above our current Spino.
true omg
The current evrima spino looks more terrestrial than aquatic tbh
median ore
Gib thicc croc tail plz
barren zephyr
Ok but what about quadrupedal theropods which aren't spino.
nova anchor
honestly though evrima spino looks badass as hell. Accurate spino is cool but the new design looks great
dapper pulsar
I do not agree.
icy lion
i cant think of any theropods with long enough arms to not look objectively silly while quad
arctic nimbus
It's not my favorite, but it's way above our current Spino.
Yeah they should've used something like that tbh
barren zephyr
There are no known theropods which were quadrupeds because of not being able have their palm facing the ground
median ore
With Spino the theory is knuckle-walking, like real-world anteaters.
barren zephyr
Yeah
icy lion
not any more
nova anchor
knuckle walk was disproven was it not
barren zephyr
Yes
hollow mirage
knuckle walk was disproven was it not
p sure
barren zephyr
Spino's center of mass is at the hips
nova anchor
also it looks dumb as hell
median ore
To google
barren zephyr
So it can walk upright
dapper pulsar
They hold themselves weird now.
ebon crypt
Quad spino theory was disproven already, also it can literally suffocate itself with how its bones are
barren zephyr
in a sort of upright-ish waddle
nova anchor
weird fucking dinosaur
dapper pulsar
Yeah
ebon crypt
*To google*
The best source for paleo stuff
worn pumice
quad spino is disproven not to mention if it tried to walk on its hands it would break
barren zephyr
Actually not that upright even
It would have probably been dragging it's tail on the ground while moving
hollow mirage
?
barren zephyr
So it would have been somewhat horizontal in terms of posture, with the tail giving support via being held on the ground.
ebon crypt
Then again, this ain't paleo talk
barren zephyr
Ye
dapper pulsar
Y'all ever change an animal that changed into something super unique to avoid competition with the other super-predators in it's ecosystem so it can have more competition with the super predators in it's new ecosystem?
barren zephyr
We oughtta go there
median ore
Goin' over
quasi basin
Question: When using Nvidia GeForce NOW, is there a way to switch between Evrima and legacy?
brittle ivy
@plain fulcrum That issue would be best for #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞, but know that it is documented and known to QA and the developers.
plain fulcrum
Right ok my bad
finite valley
What's with the afterimage on dinosaurs as they move around? Anyone know about this?
jaunty plover
its on everything, trees and foliage included
finite valley
Are they going to fix it or is it intended? I wasn't sure if I was the only one who had that
finite valley
Just wanted to bring attention to it if it wasn't. Looks bad. Sorry to the devs if they know and heard it a million times
brittle ivy
@main salmon Unsure why you're tagging a QA member, but for your legacy issue try the pinned troubleshooting items we have in #🔧-legacy-troubleshooting-🔧.
main salmon
Sorry'
brittle ivy
You're fine, it's all good
nova anchor
@idle ibex mods are cool, but I was meaning something more official, like a built-in setting
ebon crypt
And mods aren't as easy to add to a game by just pushing the "allow mods" button. They'd still have to put together a dev kit for that
fossil moth
Is it me or did you hear the birds fly away and cry out when they made call power in the forest?
still raptor
@idle ibex That was part of a system that was mentioned a few years ago called the Afinity System
jovial otter
I'd love the toxicity levels thing for Magy
paper geyser
same here, sounds like an awesome idea
only issue is magy chasing carnivores around without them being able to fight back
wooden drift
@full torrent
My guess is; while Troodon has a toxin that just hurts real bad over time and has taxing effects when the dose is in large quantities, Dilo has some form of a hallucinogenic venom.
Just my two cents on that thought, though
nova anchor
@dense wagon actually a really great suggestion for magy. I'd love to see it have those features.
manic knoll
final star
enjoying the lighting adjustments and day to night. the sunset is quite beautiful while it lasts. ❤️
near perch
Will there be a single player mod or not?
gaunt briar
@solid wedge thank you!
solid wedge
I hope to see some of that stuff implemented by you in game, hopefully theyll ask permission first
dapper pulsar
Maybe Magy is the only thing that can eat these toxic plants.
dense wagon
that would make the most sense. anything else would recieve the same nasty effects if they tried
plucky ridge
Maybe Magy is the only thing that can eat these toxic plants.
Agreed
dense wagon
I mean inflict lol
they wouldn't be able to become poisonous
they would get become poisoned
all except magy
the same way monarch caterpillars eat the leaves of a plant called milkweed, they become poisonous and taste disgusting
dapper pulsar
Poisonous plants could grow in patches that are only capable of fully supporting one Magy, resulting in battles over them to reflect Cerato's cannibalistic tendencies and lonely nature.
Well, they would spawn other places, but there would be patches.
They are shown in groups though, so that might not hold water.
dense wagon
if this feature became a thing, milkweed would be a good plant to base it off
like, an evolved and more potent form of milkweed
dapper pulsar
It could be nocturnal. Genetically altered milkweed that got accidentally released, forcing them to create a new animal to combat it's spread.
dapper pulsar
Magy could also push over predators like in it's concept art.
Nah.
Maybe just Carno.
This would add more benefit to when it shoulder checks carnivores.
Baby Ptera gameplay should just be 3 dimensional flappy bird
Yes.
wary sparrow
@gray frost auto run is already in the game
wild stone
I was kicked mid-combat also, thankfully my opponent was kicked at the same time and I managed to connect first and run to mud.
barren zephyr
@lofty pagoda remove the x. U want to play as ben
lofty pagoda
😰
barren zephyr
😏
dapper pulsar
Ben's the reason they abandoned The Islands. All the world's navies lay just outside of our view ready to fire if he ever steps foot in the water, as that could spell the end to life itself.
ebon crypt
Nah, Ben was just really annoying and couldn't die so the people gave up and left
dapper pulsar
Ben will inevitably consume all the universe and create another one inside of him to continue sustaining him. Soon all will be Ben.
ebon crypt
He's just an annoying dilo frog, but if you see him as a God due to immortality go ahead
dapper pulsar
Ben sustains.
ebon crypt
Sure bud
dapper pulsar
Ben creates and Ben ends.
Ben is Ben.
All jokes aside Ben should be able to swallow anything whole regardless of size
It's hunger maxes out at half
trail tide
Ben.
dapper pulsar
It must continue to feed.
Fuck Hypos
Ben should be the one to balance out servers
Ben should consume the Hypo megapacks that'll occur.
Ben should part the clouds when it spawns and leaves.
Either this of Ben should lie dormant beneath the Earth, his tongue splitting off and forming the large carnivorous plants.
vagrant lagoon
@violet arrow hi, read your file but don't probably understand how to divide 3 spinosairid creatures in game. Jack of all trades species always suffer from specialist in direct confrontaion. Realistically bary was something like cera, and its a pity but i don't see the place for bary in the isle.
Spino could be the king of big lakes, with high metabolism and 80% fish diet.
Deino could be the king of swamps with low metabolism, and live where spino could not survive.
Zucho could be made as tanky night traveller, fishing at night in the lakes, and running if has a problem, but probably there is no place for bary. It should be somewgere between cera and sucho.
wild stone
@sharp comet Adjusting the number of AI isn't really the problem, the problem is that carnivores have 45 minutes of food and 30 minutes of water, more than enough to just spend some of that time lollygagging instead of struggling to survive. I'm a proponent of having a high number of AI that is capable of challenging the player, rather than easy AI that is just scarce. We already know AI is going to become more challenging because right now dryo AI never dodges.
When AI have stamina and actually eat and drink, bleed like every other dino, and use their normal abilities, they will be more challenging prey. It's just a matter of time to adjust them to be difficult enough. I don't think making them more scarce is going to do a bit of good for the game. (Even in the short term).
Also, to say that the AI we have in evrima is in any way similar to legacy is hyperbole.
sharp comet
You are saying once and that is the thing, they are not that AI currently and you cant keep things this easy just in anticipation for when they will get smarter and until AI does get smarter/harder to hunt is when the number should perhaps go up again but currently it is way too easy
wild stone
You are saying once and that is the thing, they are not that AI currently and yo...
But you said yourself, there are a number of factors that have made it easy for carnivores right now. So I think the difficulty could be increased without reducing AI to impractically low numbers. Before Update 2, AI hardly existed due to their respawns being bugged.
sharp comet
Also, to say that the AI we have in evrima is *in any way* similar to legacy is ...
It is not similar in behavior but the outcome of the presence of it is the same because although it doesn't spawn on you and it is smarter than legacy AI, the presence of it around every corner and the fact that its that easy to hunt makes it so players don't have to rely on hunting other players at all and can just live off the easy to hunt and kill AI, practically getting free food
sharp comet
But you said yourself, there are a number of factors that have made it easy for ...
Yes so now they have been fixed and they numbers doubled, only adding to my claim that too many changes have been made at once without the outcome of these changes being thought of
All of these changes together make things way too easy for carnivores
wild stone
It's as simple as changing some of those other factors, so that carnivores get hungry faster and stuff like that. But we've already had it explained to us in the patch notes why the team made the decision to make food and water values what they are, and I support their reasoning.
I can assure you AI is not around every corner. But I think players should be able to rely on hunting AI. Prey is prey, whether it's another player or not. I do want AI to be as difficult as a player to hunt, though.
Essentially what you're asking is that the developers roll back the fix, and allow AI spawns to remain bugged. That isn't the way to a healthy game.
The only reason AI was as scarce as it was in the past was due to unintended behavior, and the devs have fixed it, so now that AI are working properly, you want them to essentially remove AI as a viable source of food from the game, rather than make it a greater challenge to access.
I have to say I disagree with that assessment.
sharp comet
You have more stamina, more hunger, more than double the AI (if indeed it wasn't spawning properly), how could you expect to not be way too easy.
Also changing the other factors doesn't matter, this is a large map and the other factors are good as they are, I was just including them in to show how carnivore life has been made easier by other aspects of the patch, reducing AI is the most reasonable thing to do because currently they are around every corner and they are too easy to kill, thus making the game much easier for all carnivores and helping promote things like AFK and carebearing and you say all prey is prey but in reality that's not the case, a player playing as a dryo will make much smarter more calculated decisions like to dodge, juke, hide and also spot you from farther away along with hearing you, this prey is not hard to kill and is generally just free food on wheels for the dinosaurs, yes it runs but every player with a pair of eyeballs can relocate it and finish it off.
Also I never said to roll back the fix and leave it bugged, don't put words in my mouth, I even said AI numbers should be increased from the previous patch, all I am saying is to reduce AI numbers, this most definitely is not telling them to break their own game.
Yes they had unintended behavior which made them scarce, even though there were 150 of them, that was a problem, its now fixed and so you can have normal amounts of AI without not seeing half of them, also yes of course AI shouldn't be your only source of food, because its too easy to hunt and find, it doesn't do anything other than run and even that it doesn't do sometimes, its literally free food which makes the game way too easy for players which is why until it gets smarter at least it should be left as a bonus for players and not a viable source of food.
wild stone
Reducing the number of AI only slightly won't matter, though. What they ought to do, as a short-term fix, is make the spawns more randomized.
I don't understand why you have a problem with just making the AI smarter. If it needs to be smarter, because it's too easy right now, then make it smarter. Don't nerf it back into oblivion lmao
If you don't believe that AI should be a sustainable food source, you need to have a good hard think about why we have AI in the first place.
sharp comet
I have no problem making it smarter, the thing is that its not smart which is why it shouldn't be a reliable source of food, because its too easy to kill and find.
Once it is smart enough to the point where it isn't a happymeal then sure it can be a viable source of food
So the way to not make it a reliable source of food is to make it more scarce, believe it or not but players can survive on this map without being fed by AI constantly
At its current status AI should be the occasional meal which you get, not your viable source of food
Because it is too unintelligent and thus makes the game too easy, once its intelligent then sure it can be viable as a source of food
wild stone
Take a look at the patch notes.
With this update comes a standardization to the hunger and thirst values. Currently, every species is set to starve after 45 minutes and dehydrate after 30 minutes. It must be made abundantly clear that these are not set in stone, as we recognise that this would make it far too easy for some of our characters to grow. This is the process that has been decided on by QA, so that we could have every species capable of surviving, while also giving the team more time to finetune each class so that their values aren't tedious to manage but also not too easy to survive on - this is a survival game after all!
sharp comet
Yes I know they said that they know some of these will be too easy and so they require feedback
I am giving feedback
wild stone
It's OK if some dinosaurs are too easy to grow right now. That's not an issue. This isn't going to be the state of things forever, it's temporary. But nerfing AI spawns isn't going to fix the fact that dinos have an easy time of growing right now.
sharp comet
Thing is in this post is that the devs didn't anticipate that the AI along with the hunger values would make it easier so I am showing them that
You know the devs are people and they can make unintended changes too, the fact that AI is also helping make surviving easier is not an intended change
wild stone
I'm fairly certain they did anticipate these changes making the game easier - that's why they said as much in the foreword to the patch notes. They have already acknowledged that the game is easy as a result of standardized hunger and thirst, and increased AI.
sharp comet
So I am telling them that with this feedback
And to be honest with the current amount of free happy meals around you could reduce hunger values to 15 minutes and carnivores would still survive
wild stone
More hyperbole.
sharp comet
I'm fairly certain they did anticipate these changes making the game easier - th...
They anticipated the food changes, not the AI
wild stone
How do you know what the devs were expecting this patch to do? Are you QA or something?
sharp comet
You know what, I am making an assumption and who cares if I am making one, the point is that even if they anticipated it, they were asking people to give feedback on how things are too easy and how to fix it
I am doing that
Are you against giving feedback >
Thanks
dapper forge
I just wish they make one thing perfect and then move to the other
just putting in things for the sake of putting it will not solve anything, just create more problems
they put in some content now...they should focus on balancing this current content, then move on the next one
going back an forth is time consuming and resource consuming
wild stone
Love the hotsprings idea, chai!
languid crown
@inner hound im unsure about a northern/frozen island. Maybe if the roster is expanded specifically to suite the enviroment or alternative artic species for prexisting animals in the roster. However some of the biomes do look and sound very nice
inner hound
yea the arctic enviroment is a hard to do thing to make it work.
roster wise, and gameplay wise. i tried to the best of my ability to do that, and i def dont mind when people could point out mistakes or making things better 
barren zephyr
would it be okay to suggest fish AI species and other things to make the whole place feel alive?
inner hound
ye
wild stone
would it be okay to suggest fish AI species and other things to make the whole p...
Yeah. Ambient wildlife is a popular suggestion. Here's my take
#general-feedback message
Someone asked that if your deino stayed at the surface of the water for long enough, that small birds might come sit on your head lol
barren zephyr
I meant more like... northern Feesh species
so we don't have catfish in what would be Alaska
inner hound
sturgeon chad
sacred wyvern
Chai that reminds me of an ark map
Although it looks a lot more like a map from that book ancient chronicles of darkness which I really like
jade schooner
@unreal ridge
unreal ridge
yeah male pteranodon are a pretty large animal
lilac swallow
They weight less than a human and their feet are human like, they are not grabbing shit with them
vagrant lagoon
Probably even juvi carno would be to big to push it from ground
lilac swallow
It couldn't even with a compy and not due weight but because those feet can't grab shit
vagrant lagoon
Maybe its to difficult to make new mechanics only for catching small dryos
vagrant lagoon
It couldn't even with a compy and not due weight but because those feet can't gr...
Yep but realustically utahs could not jump that high or even pounce. Its a game.
lilac swallow
Isle Utah is heavily modified to do so, I don't see isle ptera having eagle like feet to grab shit
valid zephyr
there is nothing in game currently that it will have the strength to pick up and carry away
compy maybe
jovial sleet
hypsi probably and other small juvies with its mouth ^
i hope elder ptera is that size
sacred wyvern
If they wanted to they could bs it like spino and magy although I’d rather have normal pteranodon
inner hound
@thorny crag bro german looks so whack on my UI 
i appreciate my language but reading games in my language is so uncanny for me 
jade schooner
I doubt they’d go with picking with its feet but with its mouth
thorny crag
<@276910116413112321> bro german looks so whack on my UI <:despair:7736066829147...
oh god checkmate times 5000
inner hound
also chad ngl
worn pumice
it would actually be nice becuz there would be predatory fish for small deinos to worry about
ebon crypt
And snakeheads in swamps? These buggers can also grow pretty big
ebon crypt
Arapaima?
worn pumice
was gonna sat muskelunge but their already adding it
jovial otter
Piranhas in swamps would be fun. Nice and social unless you start swimming while bleeding
Then they'd nip at you and reopen your wounds
dull breach
wegdhass that just encourages unofficials to make pay to win/play which is not intended gameplay not to mention official servers would never get the chance as admins only admin if that at all not to mention that it would also waste the devs time and effort on giving it player animations for things for a creature that would only be obtained through admins
vagrant lagoon
Piranhas in swamps would be fun. Nice and social unless you start swimming while...
That is interesting idea. Think you can write it in general discussion.
ebon crypt
We need more badass feesh in the Isle
vagrant lagoon
I think it would be good to have crabs and dead sharks on seashore. Then it would not just be empty.
barren zephyr
I heard they were adding mawsonia or some sort of prehistoric freshwater coelacanth
dull breach
agreed zebra like in ark for example the dead whale on some beaches maybe somethin similiar like that washed up things maybe washed up bones/seaweed and rotting carcasses that cerato could potentially eat since i believe they have able to eat toxic flesh maybe rotting too im not sure if they can or not
barren zephyr
Ceratosaurus probably has a very hardy digestive and immune system, so it will probably be able to cope with carrion easily.
dull breach
it could be like a form of dead ai for ceras haha but then they might turn out to be beach dwellers
@hushed shadow i agree with you nest sites for ai would be cool the growth stages is already a thing however ai use to be non existent so the juvie dryos were a myth but they indeed do exist ive seen over 5
vagrant lagoon
There should not be that much food, but realy thing beach should not just be epty space. There can be some king of algea for herbs also.
vagrant lagoon
And i think its easier tp make dead ai, then living ai))
dull breach
also very true
dark bronze
i've actually seen a juvi dryo AI before
pine cape
A good way to deal with this is give AI the ability to dodge and juke a predator. Maybe ring at at sharp angles if a predator is close
violet arrow
<@719626621929127946> hi, read your file but don't probably understand how to d...
I tried to paint Bary as a more evasive scavenger, while being able to throw a punch against allo. would that work at all? Since Suchomimus is our "mid-tier" Spinosaur
lilac swallow
The brachi legion shall succed
dapper pulsar
I'm still really fond of Bary Jaguar.
vagrant lagoon
I tried to paint Bary as a more evasive scavenger, while being able to throw a p...
Yep, but the probalem is that "mid tier evasive scavenger, that can stand agaist allo" is cera)) if there would be map with different biotopes bary could find its role as a cave best fishing in underground lakes and at night crawling upside. Then it's compact size could be logican. Or maountain climber salmon eater for example.
violet arrow
Yep, but the probalem is that "mid tier evasive scavenger, that can stand agaist...
True. You got a good point there
violet arrow
The brachi legion shall succed
#Mobiletreegang
bold stratus
has any suggestion that was made in the general feedback made it to the game ?
worn pumice
i just want snow in the isle 
sonic cloud
Jaguar bary is made redundant by Cerato, Fisher bary is made redundant by Sucho/Austro.
It’s just a useless animal that honestly could be scrapped and nothing of value would be lost
worn pumice
id say just replace sucho with bary. Sucho is just bigger and a fisher as well so yea
sonic cloud
scrap animal that’s already been modelled and an animal which has already had work put into it, which has been in an earlier version of the game far more recently for a smaller version of said animal with none of those things
Ok
worn pumice
?
lilac swallow
Jaguar bary is made redundant by Cerato, Fisher bary is made redundant by Sucho/...
"redundant with cerato" i mean we are getting mono
worn pumice
i mean id rather have sucho instead of bary but bary is a cool dino too
lilac swallow
with utah and dilo mono is totally redundant
worn pumice
i mean its the same thing as saying why have kentro when you have stego
lilac swallow
the redundant argument is useless unless you want to add literally the same thing with another name (carcha and tarbo)
barren zephyr
Why have rex when you have giga?
But yeah, having sucho and bary isn't a horrible idea
Besides they will both be unique anyways
lilac swallow
hell why even have more than a small carni herbi, medium carni herbi and apex carni herbi, you only need 6 playables
lilac swallow
why have more than gali, utah, para, allo, trike and rex, the rest of dinos are just modifications of these
barren zephyr
Map knowledge on legacy really isn't the key to finding AI food, it's just listening and going toward the noises the AI makes.
lilac swallow
map knowledge works on legacy to know where to afk grow
vagrant lagoon
The problem is that bary don't have its niche. The analogy could that we already have acro and allo, but want to add Epanterias. But its basicaly allo, but bigger. So it is to similar to add it. Or you have trike and diablo,but want to add styracosaurus.
Probably can't imagine what mono will be. Its probably would be dilo with some other special ability.
sonic cloud
Mono im sceptical about
I’d argue Acro is redundant as much as it pains me to admit
It’s pretty much a hybrid of Allo and Giga and I highly doubt much can be done with it tbh
violet arrow
But yeah, having sucho and bary isn't a horrible idea
Upon viewing some feedback in my newest infographic (about bary and sucho) I've reconsidered my position on Bary. The question for you is: "how would bary fit in evrima when you have suchomimus, ceratosaurus, and allosaurus?"
sonic cloud
You don’t
sonic cloud
And thats also the solution
violet arrow
And thats also the solution
sadly, yes
sonic cloud
That’s like saying “where do you fit in tarbo when you have Rex and Alberto”
You just don’t
violet arrow
exactly
vagrant lagoon
Acro could be made a bit different from giga. On top tier you have a bit more freedom then big tier.
violet arrow
Acro I feel would be the more faster and leaner version of giga
vagrant lagoon
That’s like saying “where do you fit in tarbo when you have Rex and Alberto”
Thats correct.
sonic cloud
The concept art shows Acro being bulkier though
violet arrow
yea, but bulky animals can still run quite fast
sonic cloud
Making it faster and leaner isn’t really on the table anymore
lilac swallow
we fucking have taco, oro, hypsi, and homa together, having dryo as the same but slightly bigger too, redundancy arguments are pointless with this fact
violet arrow
we fucking have taco, oro, hypsi, and homa together, having dryo as the same but...
That's a good point
sonic cloud
You’ve literally just admitted that Baryonyx is redundant
lilac swallow
i didnt
i said redundancy arguments are irelevant, that doesnt imply i personally think bary is
vagrant lagoon
Acro cpuld be short distance runner, giga- long distance
violet arrow
Acro cpuld be short distance runner, giga- long distance
yea it could just sprint things down quickly with a lot of bleed
worn pumice
who needs bary tbh when u got sucho, sucho is literally bigger bary
violet arrow
who needs bary tbh when u got sucho, sucho is literally bigger bary
yea
sonic cloud
Pretty much
worn pumice
also never use prehistoric wildlife like look at this shit lol
vagrant lagoon
Upon viewing some feedback in my newest infographic (about bary and sucho) I've ...
If it has special place to live there are several options where his size would be an advantage over sucho.
violet arrow
also never use prehistoric wildlife like look at this shit lol
DISGUSTANG
lilac swallow
who needs bary tbh when u got sucho, sucho is literally bigger bary
you could say this about half of the playables
worn pumice
actually nah after looking at things bary is difficult to put into evirma
violet arrow
yea
vagrant lagoon
So it could be caves or mountains.
ebon crypt
I mean, just look at all of the ceratopsians we have
lilac swallow
seriously, people legit ignore half of the roster when using these arguments
worn pumice
ceratopsians each have their own model bary and sucho are very similar with pretty much the same niche
ebon crypt
Taco, trike, ava, proto, pachyrhino (pretty sure is confirmed)
violet arrow
I mean, just look at all of the ceratopsians we have
we only have 3 right? ik Styraco will be put in too but Dibble, Melon, and Trike are fine
ebon crypt
Oh, and also dibble
lilac swallow
bary and sucho are only symilar for someone who doesnt know bary and sucho
worn pumice
dibble and trike look very different
violet arrow
bary and sucho are only symilar for someone who doesnt know bary and sucho
I know both spinosaurs quite well, but the ecological similarities cannot be ignored. functionally, they do very similar activites
worn pumice
i still dont get how u would execute bary into evirma
violet arrow
I proposed a mid-tier Evasive fisher and scavenger but Cerato already is that
icy lion
im of the opinion that it should be replaced by a mainly-aquatic ichthyovenator but eh
sonic cloud
They function the same just in a different scale. If we already had something like Pachyrhino planned or another mid sized ceratopsian then yeah Diablo would be redundant. But we dont
worn pumice
im of the opinion that it should be replaced by a mainly-aquatic ichthyovenator ...
that actually sounds like a good idea tbh
violet arrow
im of the opinion that it should be replaced by a mainly-aquatic ichthyovenator ...
(lets not copy BOB shall we XD)
worn pumice
oh yea lol
lilac swallow
They function the same just in a different scale. If we already had something li...
we do tho
violet arrow
But the problem with that is Isla spiro doesn't have an ocean area to swim in
icy lion
if sucho is meant to be a wader/more land based why not have something more aquatic, you dont even need to replace it really, could still be bary
violet arrow
if sucho is meant to be a wader/more land based why not have something more aqua...
True
worn pumice
we can keep bary in i just hope its not redundant
devs are pretty creative im sure they can think of something
violet arrow
It needs a new ecological niche that the map lacks for the moment
vagrant lagoon
I proposed a mid-tier Evasive fisher and scavenger but Cerato already is that
A mix of cave bear and grisli bear, with night vision. What do youthink?
lilac swallow
also for "same niche just in different scale" troodon and dilo?
violet arrow
A mix of cave bear and grisli bear, with night vision. What do youthink?
hmmmm...
worn pumice
maybe bary lives in caves? or like enclosed spaces?
icy lion
troo and dilo at least have different venom but yea
violet arrow
also for "same niche just in different scale" troodon and dilo?
Troodon, as of now, we know is venomous. But It'll go for very small animals. Dilo is a different, but similar story
vagrant lagoon
maybe bary lives in caves? or like enclosed spaces?
Thats what i m talling for half an hour
worn pumice
dilo is bigger with hallucenigenic venom while troodon is some type of dmg over time
sonic cloud
Theres also not an animal close to the size of troodon doing roughly the same thing like cerato for bary
worn pumice
Thats what i m talling for half an hour
lmao well its a good idea so
vagrant lagoon
Trodon would enter buildings, dilo is to big
violet arrow
maybe bary lives in caves? or like enclosed spaces?
Whenever I hear "Bary" and "cave" in the same sentence I think of this XD
barren zephyr
Spinosaurus isn't even that much bigger than Suchomimus
lilac swallow
but bary and sucho arent close in size? 1-2 tons isnt close to 5 tons, would be like deleting dible/kentro when we have trike/stego
worn pumice
is that JW 
violet arrow
but bary and sucho arent close in size? 1-2 tons isnt close to 5 tons, would be ...
In length the are close in size
barren zephyr
Only about a third bigger in terms of mass, by the looks of it
sonic cloud
Can you read?
ebon crypt
Oh god, not the lava resistant bary
violet arrow
is that JW <:TI_Wheeze:735343241175629824>
Yea! I love this scene lol
worn pumice
Yea! I love this scene lol
sonic cloud
Theres also not an animal close to the size of troodon doing roughly the same thing like cerato for bary
@lilac swallow
worn pumice
still think adding bary is redundant
lilac swallow
in fact, sucho-spino are closer
violet arrow
Oh god, not the lava resistant bary
worn pumice
i dont see how ur gonna fit bary in
violet arrow
The mainly aquatic route works if the map is modified
sonic cloud
Your dyslexia is alarming, I don’t see how cerato can be rearranged to spell sucho
worn pumice
like sum ppl say why kentro when stego but theres a big difference in model and the predators that would hunt it
violet arrow
like sum ppl say why kentro when stego but theres a big difference in model and ...
yea. I believe Kentro will be much faster and mobile
lilac swallow
maybe i have dyslexia, but is not necesay to attack me, you are just being a dick at this point and contributing nothing to the conversation
worn pumice
yea. I believe Kentro will be much faster and mobile
plus its model is quite a bit different then stego, just like say diablo and trike
ebon crypt
Wasn't bary originally added because of progression? But besides that, I do feel like bary can still be made to be unique, just follow this simple guide #general-feedback message
violet arrow
plus its model is quite a bit different then stego, just like say diablo and tri...
yea
worn pumice
ig bary could make its way into the isle but like i wouldnt care or be surprised if its scrapped
violet arrow
Wasn't bary originally added because of progression? But besides that, I do feel...
I love this guide.
lilac swallow
i will allways say that as long as we have the oro-taco-hypsi-homa quartet and the utah-dilo-mono trio nothing is "too redundant"
violet arrow
i will allways say that as long as we have the oro-taco-hypsi-homa quartet and t...
Thats true
lilac swallow
i will admit that bary is less unique than lets say, rex (apart from size nothing really plays like rex), but that doesnt mean its beyond the"too redundant" bar
worn pumice
its pretty redudant tbh
violet arrow
yea
worn pumice
it'll prolly get in anyways
lilac swallow
no more than the 2 groups i already said
worn pumice
oro taco and hypsi seem very different
paper geyser
yeah there's not really such a thing as redundant when we have almost carbon copies of dinos already in, just with little changes made to each one
violet arrow
ecologically they're the same
vagrant lagoon
Whenever I hear "Bary" and "cave" in the same sentence I think of this XD
Bary can live inside volcano
violet arrow
Bary can live inside volcano
hmm yes
worn pumice
i still think cave bary is pretty cool ngl
worn pumice
like a cave bary and theres some water that leads out to like a river or something else
violet arrow
yea
violet arrow
Any chance of this guy coming back?
violet arrow
hopefully a map designer gives us snow
yea
worn pumice
Any chance of this guy coming back?
prolly is
violet arrow
It is kinda redundant tho
worn pumice
when its snowing outside my window but the isle is just green
vagrant lagoon
Have put the solution for bary in general feedback, please wote if you like it. Sorry if have some mistakes there.
worn pumice
https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/7861624075...
pls do trike otherwise im taking ur knee caps away
barren zephyr
i hope to god they give trike at least a remodel and some new animations
worn pumice
pls give trike new animations
a herbivore that killed rexes shouldnt be running like that
also the 2020 bone remodel of trike is amazing its head is massive
barren zephyr
wheeze
i can never get over that awkward trike run from legacy
it looks like it broke its legs or something
worn pumice
ye lets not talk about that
violet arrow
pls do trike otherwise im taking ur knee caps away
There aren't any topics for Triceratops at the moment. it's perfectly fine where it is
worn pumice
There aren't any topics for Triceratops at the moment. it's perfectly fine where...
knee caps it is
sacred wyvern
i think chai it could also be used for future maps being made as well
violet arrow
knee caps it is
gray frost
I asked about autorun and a lot of you guys memed me. I'm actually curious why so many are against it?
hushed shadow
edgy hamlet
^If youre talking about ik, where the body adjusts to the floor angle, theyre already working on it
barren zephyr
@nova anchor I agree completely, lots and lots of herbivores have carnivorous tendencies, e.g. horses eating birds and hadrosaurs eating crabs. I think once diets are added in, small AI animals like turtles and lizards and birds could help supplement bigger herbivore's diets (as well as helping carnivores from starving, that is a diff story)
nova anchor
hell yeah, I'd love to see a trike just chomp a lizard and eat it
barren zephyr
like a triceratops cracking open a turtle or smth and getting a little bit of food would be cool
nova anchor
yeah
barren zephyr
on the topic of AI turtles and diets, if they ever do get added in, I think animals with stronger bite forces should get more from eating them
like a utah couldn't eat much of a turtle because of the shell, but a cerato could eat the whole thing
nova anchor
Yeah, or maybe only animals with stronger bite forces/beaks/something like that could eat them
like trike
it'd be neat to see that worked into the diet system
@barren zephyr I think infectious bites are a neat idea - maybe not for rex, but a neat idea
barren zephyr
yeah it's really similar to venom conceptually, I didn't wanna use that word because I know it would rub ppl the wrong way
nova anchor
yeah, maybe instead of draining health, it builds up and when it gets too high it starts to give you debuffs?
something like that maybe?
edgy hamlet
I think that mechanic would be better for giga or acro since the rex is already pretty strong and isnt about killing over time but rather kill things fast with its biteforce
nova anchor
yeah that's what I was thinking
I think acro would be more of a bleeder, maybe it should go to giga or possibly albert too
edgy hamlet
giga would make sense cuz its probs more of a scavenger eating the not-so-good corpses lol, would mean lotsa bacteria
blazing charm
Can trample over smaller targets and possibly knock medium-sized dinosaurs over by bumping into them while running.
Honestly not sure why that's worth bringing up, sorta seems like something that would be worth giving to all large creatures.
dapper pulsar
I would also like it if that happened to Carnos
@pulsar crystal We do that in this channel.
Deinocheirus doesn't crackle or pop, it just snaps.
thorny lynx
@pulsar crystal Down the line when we add larger creatures, it would be an appropriate addition to the omnivore roster.
pulsar crystal
that’s so far in the future
dapper pulsar
Where the animals are least developed and we can be the most hopeful.
pulsar crystal
We need to worry about updates that are going to happen soon
dapper pulsar
There's a very easy joke here.
pulsar crystal
Carno needs more competition therefore update 4 and 5 should be switched, u want them to develop a whole new creature that isn’t going to happen
dapper pulsar
You notice this was posted in the suggestions channel, and not balance feedback, right?
pulsar crystal
It’s not just me that feels like this change should happen. Also that is my suggestion
dapper pulsar
Ok, but how is that a counter to Deinocheirus?
pulsar crystal
deinocheirus is slow on land and isn’t going to be able to fight on land as good as in the water 
Rn carno is to good in the meta and needs competition
Utah isn’t strong enough unless it’s a 4v1 and deino hasn’t even came out yet how our we suppose to know how it fits in the meta?
dapper pulsar
- The semi-aquatic is semi-aquatic yeah.
- Yeah, it hunts small things in a world of only small things, and things it can easily run from
- Yeah. I don't understand... Are you complaining Deino shouldn't be in the game because we don't know how it will fit into the meta? I think that applies to literally everything that isn't in the game right now since our 2 biggest references, reality and Legacy, don't matter anymore.
pulsar crystal
If u can read what we were saying is that after update 3 if carno is to good in the Meta still they should flip update 4 and 5 (not 3) because cerato would be another mid tier that can rival crano
Carno*^
vast wolf
cerato is not a mid tier
dapper pulsar
How does that apply to Deino though?
vast wolf
its half carnos weight basically
dapper pulsar
Like, at all. All suggestions don't start relating to yours once you suggest it. This is a different suggestion.
vast wolf
even blown up its never killing one thats smart and refuses to fight in a forest.
pulsar crystal
You said is there a counter to deino and I said on land it’s weak
dapper pulsar
I meant a counter argument
not an in game counter.
I can see the confusion now, sorry.
pulsar crystal
oh either way it’s not just me that feels like update 5 and 4 should be switched people are agreeing, also it’s a fiction game therefore they can make cerato bigger if they have to.
dapper pulsar
They can upscale it a bit, but maybe don't take anymore inspiration from Jurassic Park 3.
pulsar crystal
Yeah then carno would have another carnivore that could rival it 
But that’s my opinion some people disagree and I understand that
vast wolf
even still cerato is not winning in the open and carnos likely wont go into the jungle after one even if they do they can just run away.
pulsar crystal
To balance the cerato give it good bleed or hit harder then carno it wouldn’t be that hard to upscale it
dapper pulsar
Do you have the size chart on you, Gharial?
pulsar crystal
Nope
dapper pulsar
This isn't sarcasm or a quip I just deleted my one with Hatze edited in and I wanna see how they compare.
Cerato bacteria bite
pulsar crystal
Update 4 being packy and bone break system which are not as important as cerato and diet system
Yea giving cerato bacteria bite should balance it
worn pumice
deino counters everything because everything in the end needs water
pulsar crystal
yes but there our spots on the map shallow enough that deino can’t hide in there
worn pumice
but u cant always be at those spots
dapper pulsar
Also it's slow
worn pumice
this will especially be true when diets come in
pulsar crystal
yeah deino is going to be slow so if u get away from its jaw it’s not catching u
worn pumice
ye
dapper pulsar
Wait which one are we talking about
pulsar crystal
🐊
dapper pulsar
Oh
worn pumice
pulsar crystal
And also if they push update 5( cerato) before update 4 we will have 2 mid tiers magy and cerato which would be better then having Pachy
More variety
worn pumice
pls now that u say magy is coming i want update 4 most def b4 then update 5. m a g y 
dapper pulsar
But it would delay the Perk and UI overhaul.
Also Pachy could thrive here.
For once
pulsar crystal
yeah true
worn pumice
i think pachy is a direct counter to utah technically right
pulsar crystal
if u like my idea happy lion go to general feedback and like my comment
dapper pulsar
Pachy should be a counter to anything in the small size range
and lightly built mediums
pulsar crystal
Ye but Utah is already under powered in my opinion the only thing it beats are like Dryos
dapper pulsar
Utah is a pack hunter though
It shouldn't be able to wreck much house alone.
Or like any
pulsar crystal
Ye but max pack limit is like 6
worn pumice
yea after reading it it makes a ton of sense. I mean carno doesnt have any mid tiers with it rn. It cant hunt stegos no matter how much ppl say they can. If a stego is good it can fend off quite a few carnos so carno needs things in its tier rn
yo i just wanna put this out theres that 4 pounces from a utah to a stego kills it
plus they iframes which is a bug
pulsar crystal
Ye stego is 2 good right now so maybe if cerato had bacteria bite it, a pack of them could kill stegos
worn pumice
and thy can literally pounce any part of the creature
stego isnt too good the issue is theres nothng as good as it rn
pulsar crystal
Ye true it’s basically and apex
vast wolf
stego is just the first apex in an ecosystem thats about a third of its size.
worn pumice
i wanna say deino is a threat to stego and it is but like stego if on land is prolly gonna win unless the stego is brain ded or deino is overpowered
pulsar crystal
But if cerato gets bacteria bite it, a pack of them could be a real threat
vast wolf
its definitely going to be changed when other apexes join.
worn pumice
i feel like a bacteria bite would be good for megalania
vast wolf
deino will have to win a stamina battle to kill stego. its possible but the larest things that don wanted it to instant kill with no struggle were about 1 ton.
megalania is getting venom.
pulsar crystal
cerato like decaying dinos so it would make sense for them to have a lot of gross bacteria
worn pumice
yea i was just gonna say mega is prolly getting venom
vast wolf
cerato dosent need bacteria bite.
dapper pulsar
Cerato needs everything.
pulsar crystal
Would be cool and then it would be a threat to bigger dinos
worn pumice
im guessing cera will be able to dish and take a good amount of dmg in its tier but be weak to bleed. would be a good balance
vast wolf
its a brawler that muscles smaller animals off of kills and can take out decently sized prey.
dapper pulsar
But what if it could bully off medium animals too?
pulsar crystal
Exactly why it should come before pachy
vast wolf
cerato was stated to heal from grievous wounds in its original roadmap description.
dapper pulsar
So it can bully off Medium animals
worn pumice
the way i interpreted that was cera having good heals
vast wolf
except it takes 1/3 of the time to get update 4 and the perks system out.
dapper pulsar
I wouldn't say that.
worn pumice
hope perks are like not big changes to gameplay just little things to help u since u survived for so long
dapper pulsar
I think that's
vast wolf
update 5 has gore assets 2 playables with no finished animations and coding on top of that.
worn pumice
i kinda wanna see the UI overhaul just cuz im bored of looking at this ui for 2 years now
vast wolf
perks wont buff stats like speed.
worn pumice
perks wont buff stats like speed.
good
pulsar crystal
Ye but if that start soon it could come out after update 3
vast wolf
an example is you can canabalize but your eyes have a soft red color.
worn pumice
thats pretty cool
vast wolf
same thing can be said for update 6 and 8.
update 6 is more work and will be hard to balance.
worn pumice
ik this prolly way ahead but i can see rex and trike coming together in one update
vast wolf
troodon has an overloaded kit.
pulsar crystal
Ye but again update 5 has another carnivore which could rival carno
dapper pulsar
Troodon has the nocturnal things and a unique ability.
vast wolf
cerato wont rival carno unless we get a ceratorex style scenario.
vast wolf
Troodon has the nocturnal things and a unique ability.
mimicry venom enhanced night vision.
dapper pulsar
I would argue the unique ability doesn't fit, but taking a unique ability would be stupid.
The nocturnal things and mimicry.
pulsar crystal
upscale it a bit it’s a video game they can do that
vast wolf
mind you venom itself will be pretty overloaded.
worn pumice
damn troodon is stacked
i feel like mimicry would work better with dilo since its said that it would make u hallucinate
vast wolf
upscale it a bit it’s a video game they can do that
they have to double its size to make it even with carno in weight. its like utah weighing as much as cerato.
mimicry would work better for ovi because it has nothing special except its an omnivore that prefers eggs.
worn pumice
well nothing that we know of currently
vast wolf
worn pumice
they might have something planned that we dont know
pulsar crystal
I gtg if u like my idea make sure to like it
worn pumice
god magy is trash
vast wolf
carno is 1.8 tons here. in game is 2.5 tons.
dapper pulsar
Cerato is in a pretty good place to fight Carno.
worn pumice
isnt carno 2 tons in game?
vast wolf
pretty sure its 2.5
dapper pulsar
Bite up
pulsar crystal
Exactly u can upscale carno so u can upscale cerato
vast wolf
carno needs to be downscalled. its as big as alberto.
dapper pulsar
Oviraptor does deserve a unique ability, and Mimicry would fit, but Troodon also needs a unique thing. Maybe intelligence could be a stat that unlocks abilities like opening doors and shit, and Troodon would have the highest of any not tumor-ified dino.
vast wolf
carnos damage needs to be decreased.
vast wolf
Oviraptor does deserve a unique ability, and Mimicry would fit, but Troodon also...
its venom is unique from dilos.
worn pumice
i feel like they made carno something it wasnt intended to be
vast wolf
dilo and troodon will have very different gameplay. dilo is more of a solo hunter with troodon living in hordes.
dapper pulsar
That feels like a cop out.
Like, super hard.
Hypsi has 2 unique abilities, I think, both might be repurposed.
vast wolf
part of why carno is so strong is because its stats are inflated its turn radius is too good the jungle is not dense enough and its the largest predator.
hypsi is a mistake
its glorified oro.
dapper pulsar
Hypsi is glorious.
dapper pulsar
Is Oro gonna be playable?
vast wolf
everything except pue is not being scrapped atm.
oro wont be on official but it will still be viable.
ava will be playable on official funny enough.
vast wolf
server owners will be able to select animals that can or cant be played.
we have 4 not counting tacco.
dapper pulsar
That's too many.
vast wolf
ava is a warthog diablo is trash rn trike is 8 tons proto is a wombat.
diablo is smaller than magy and kentro.
dapper pulsar
Ok, hear me out, you could replace them with something else.
worn pumice
man magy seems like the best thing rn
dapper pulsar
No
worn pumice
lmao
dapper pulsar
Not really.
vast wolf
magy still smells like mid tier fodder.
dapper pulsar
I'm not invalidating your opinions, but they are invalid.
worn pumice
imagine playing magy smh
vast wolf
ava and utah would be a good fight.
dapper pulsar
Imagine picking Magy out of any of the creatures that live on that Island.
worn pumice
like instead of magy give us cama
dapper pulsar
Utah should be
vast wolf
its like a wild dog and a warthog.
worn pumice
way bigger and better suited for the island
worn pumice
q u e t z
vast wolf
or replace magy with bajada aka the viable small sauropod.
dapper pulsar
I'll break your fucking legs.
worn pumice
q u e t z
vast wolf
so thoughts on sauropelta edmontonia or denversaurus?
worn pumice
denversaurus is like anky but just different
dapper pulsar
3 is the max amount of dinos any one thing can have.
vast wolf
denversaurus is like anky but just different
its a nodosaurid.
vast wolf
were getting pachyrhino far in the future as well.
dapper pulsar
jesus fucking christ
worn pumice
actually having denver and anky wouldnt be too bad
worn pumice
vast wolf
pachyrhino is a 4 ton fracture machine
dapper pulsar
changes name to spite me
vast wolf
prehistoric wild life is trash
worn pumice
vast wolf
dapper pulsar
I like how Utah is kept around
vast wolf
utah is for scale
dapper pulsar
So is the fucking person
worn pumice
honestly diablo while it isnt super big doesnt seem too bad
vast wolf
imigine legacy diablo but as bulky as cerato. pretty sure its not great.
dapper pulsar
Imagine like
worn pumice
well diablo is gonna be added anyways so
dapper pulsar
not having 5 ceratopsids
worn pumice
if were getting fucking magy then were prolly gonna have diablo
vast wolf
if its that big and has damage reduction in its face it could survive an allo.
vast wolf
not really a size range we dont have.
dapper pulsar
Maybe something epic
worn pumice
icthy
worn pumice
bary is just a smaller sucho :/
vast wolf
bary is just a smaller sucho :/
except not.
dapper pulsar
If you look at it the right way, Bary is just bigger, worse Ichthy
vast wolf
how is bary worse than ichthy?
dapper pulsar
It would also create more divide between the spinosaurids
worn pumice
everyones hyped for magy
dapper pulsar
Guns.
worn pumice
who needs anything when we got magy
vast wolf
as far as we know bary had longer legs.
dapper pulsar
The game will eventually need to balance around guns.
That's not
They extend legs for Spinosaurs in this game
I think
my brain's stuck in 2014
vast wolf
even still bary having longer legs and the same exact body plan makes it a faster runner.
dapper pulsar
Utah's not JP3.
vast wolf
it is though
dapper pulsar
Utahs just JP.
vast wolf
people have been asking for a rex remodel on and off which is painful.
dapper pulsar
JP3 raptors have a very unique look compared to the others.
vast wolf
rex was redone less than 2 years ago.
dapper pulsar
Rex remodel would be sick
worn pumice
yo if rex gets a remodel it'll have 4 remodels in total lol
vast wolf
only reason to remodel it is because new spino and giga look like monsters.
dapper pulsar
Also real rex is fucking awesome
worn pumice
hey guys lets get a rex like this
sonic cloud
@vast wolf I mean if you’re gonna say that Icthyovenator is just a smaller baryonyx despite the fact that it’s more closely related to Spinosaurus. And then deny that Baryonyx is just a smaller Suchomimus despite the fact that those two are more closely related...
...
...
...
I have no words for this genuine display of stupidity
sonic cloud
But carry on anyway
worn pumice
keyboard noises intesifying
vast wolf
But carry on anyway
its not paleotalk. im saying niche wise ichthy is just bary that has less land mobility more water mobility and is slightly smaller.
dapper pulsar
Anyway I don't think they could make Deinocheirus look outdated since it's pretty much been the same since we found it's skeleton.
I mean
worn pumice
trike remodel pls
vast wolf
yeah deinocherius was arms for a long time and then we got 2 mostly complete skeletons.
dapper pulsar
There's nothing to outdate to!
It's the perfect animal for this game.
It counters their usual tricks.
worn pumice
i want a trike like this
dapper pulsar
And deceit.
vast wolf
dapper pulsar
Damn
worn pumice
heres the actual trike i wanna see
sonic cloud
@vast wolf baryonyx is just Suchomimus except worse in the water, smaller and weaker, and maybe a tad bit better on land if you believe finding a baby iguanodon (those tend to be very small and weak) in its stomach makes it a better terrestrial carnivore
vast wolf
only thing to complain about is the back not being as raised as it could be.
dapper pulsar
Woah
worn pumice
nah we should change the trikes head slightly
dapper pulsar
I like Icthy.
sonic cloud
Nothing of value will be lost
dapper pulsar
We need a bare minimum of 3 azhdarchids.
vast wolf
bary can be made into a jaguar style animal. good on land and the water but not great at either. basically small fast spino with the direction they are going with it.
worn pumice
the trike when remodeled at the time was showing a younger trike. Now this image shows what a more mature trike would look like and its more robust
vast wolf
aside from quetz and hatz the big azdarchids are fragmentary af.
dapper pulsar
I never said the big ones.
worn pumice
I like Icthy.
quetz
worn pumice
wut
vast wolf
the small azdarchids can be replaced by more interesting pterosaurs.
dapper pulsar
quetz
Hatze, Arambourgiania yeah I agree.
Arambourgiania could just be pretty AI bird
worn pumice
quetz instead of hatz bet
vast wolf
arambor is known mostly from neck vertebra with alanqua being just as fragmentary.
worn pumice
alanqua tho : (
vast wolf
ato still typing trying to prove a point that ive had to beat down multiple times.
pretty sure thats not alanqua
dapper pulsar
I think Ato's just editing out all the personal attacks like I do after I write a rant.
vast wolf
dapper pulsar
I'm not saying you're writing a rant.
I'm just saying that
I understand taking a while.
vast wolf
dapper pulsar
Why the fuck do we have the most boring Spinosaurids possible.
vast wolf
its pretty safe to assume its a rant when ato is trying to prove a point to me.
worn pumice
fat deino wen
sonic cloud
@vast wolf did you miss how Ceratosaurus is in the same size range as Baryonyx whilst also hunting like a jaguar in it’s concept art? Jaguars are known for lazing about near water just like Cerato is seen doing, it also looks to use water in it’s day to day life, such as when it’s shown escaping an Allosaurus. And finally! It’s shown killing a Deinosuchus in much the same way Jaguars will kill a Caiman.
Would you like me to post it or have you already seen it and are just choosing to pretend it doesn’t exist so that you can pretend that Baryonyx actually has a niche?
Just to clarify that the concept art is official
Which means that even the devs themselves approve of it
vast wolf
ive seen it but cerato killing a sub adult deino and then swimming away from an allo dose not mean its like a jaguar. cerato is more comparable to a black bear or wolverine.
vast wolf
megalania...
dapper pulsar
We can't draw inspiration from that since Megalania
I WAS JUST ABOUT TO FUCKING SAY
dapper pulsar
Imagine like
drawing inspiration from the same animal twice
For 2 different animals
could not happen.
ever.
sonic cloud
I mean if you’re trying to make an animal actually unique
dapper pulsar
I'm not mocking you Gharial
I'm mocking
other people.
that I hate
for almost no reason.
vast wolf
it depends on the animal in question and how it relates.
sonic cloud
Especially when said animals are in the same size range...
vast wolf
just because cerato is a generalist that will eat everything does not mean bary cant be a piscavorus generalist thats good on alnd and the water.
vast wolf
Especially when said animals are in the same size range...
careful with that. bary has a very variable size range.
sonic cloud
If you make it big it just becomes a smaller sucho
dapper pulsar
Komodo dragons should be like
vast wolf
if you think bary is a cerato clone then your saying rex is a spino clone.
dapper pulsar
only used for animations
sonic cloud
Which it is anyway
vast wolf
and comparing bary and sucho is the same thing as comparing allo and acro.
dapper pulsar
I
worn pumice
dapper pulsar
wouldn't say that, but you can.
Obese crocodiles may be living in hell
but they're pretty pogchamp
past dune
Hopefully game adds sauropods rather than camarasaurus.
vast wolf
something like apato or bronto is not out of the question.
allo acro and giga are as close to eachother as bary sucho and spino are.
sonic cloud
Except cerato is literally seen in water or interacting with semi-aquatic animals in it’s official concept art...
It’s very heavily implied that it’s going to have semi-aquatic tendencies. It’s literally a semi-aquatic generalistic scavenger
dapper pulsar
15 Super Predators are pretty close.
It swim good
It's a generalist
It specked into fucking everything.
sonic cloud
With that skull, its probably going to be a better hunter than baryonyx
vast wolf
sonic cloud
?
worn pumice
uhhhhhh cama is a sauropod??
sonic cloud
Ceratosaurus is spelled differently my friend
vast wolf
it dosent take 2 carnos to take out a tenonto. nor do they fling dryos over their heads.
vast wolf
these are* CONCEPT *art they are going to change. mere guidelines.
worn pumice
when one carno can kill a teno ._.
dapper pulsar
I mean
sonic cloud
Ok. the general concept is there, it rams shit like dryo and hunts tenonto
dapper pulsar
it's exaggerating the charge effect?
dapper pulsar
They didn't make shit up on there
except like
the horn scraping
woulda been cool.
sonic cloud
The horn scraping is pretty much it
dapper pulsar
Also pinning
dapper pulsar
but that's a display of power rather than like
past dune
Thagomizers can swing while running.
Like, what's the point of tail riding if you aren't even running.
This ruins stegosaurus.
vast wolf
I prefer the old stego.
old stego was slapped on a rig made for the og stego. it was really buggy and bad looking. looked like a snake wanting to eat your children.
dapper pulsar
past dune
Talk about our un-movable thagomizers.
sonic cloud
I guess cerato won’t be hunting magyarosaurus
vast wolf
if stego swung its tail it would be in a greatly reduced area and would do less damage if it was moving.
past dune
Like, 10 hours, we can't even run while swinging.
vast wolf
the devs havent said anything about cerato being slightly semi aquatic.
past dune
T
sonic cloud
Lets ignore the concept art that you literally just posted then
dapper pulsar
What we gleam from this is Cerato's solitary, a decent swimmer(not semi-aquatic, just an escape route), eats rotten meat, and is rivals with Magy
the rest is fluff.
What I gleam from it
I mean
Rival with Magy isn't clear
until you see both
It's a 2 parter.
sonic cloud
But yeah, ceratosaurus definitely won’t be hunting Magy because theres no mechanic in game that will let it grab it them by the head while they’re still alive.
#ghariallogic
Complete bullshit made by the devs to mislead us
vast wolf
we get the things we knew about it further pushed into reality then we get the random stuff for asthetics. cerato having slightly above average swimming speed is fine but that does not make it semi aquatic.
#atologic bash animals that are being planned anyway.
sonic cloud
You do plagiarism poorly
vast wolf
you simply dont let anyone have different opinions.
thorny lynx
Ducc wen
dapper pulsar
Yeah I'm gonna sacrifice powerful jaws to eat fish like a dumb bitch
#ghariallogic
vast wolf
thorny lynx
Yeah I'm gonna sacrifice powerful jaws to eat fish like a dumb bitch
#ghariallo...
Sarcosuchus logic
vast wolf
dapper pulsar
Ducc would be sick though
thorny lynx
Giv ducc
sonic cloud
You seem to think that your opinion holds weight and deserves to be treated with respect but you’re opinion is quite simply bullshit
vast wolf
funny enough the same exact snout shape has appeared among crocodile like animals a lot.
and how is it bullshit?
sonic cloud
Especially when evidence contradicts it and yet you still hold on to it
vast wolf
compared to bary is small sucho and cerato takes its niche because it swims.
sonic cloud
Ok
dapper pulsar
All the crocs with
sonic cloud
Let me dumb things down
dapper pulsar
Gharial mouth are dumb
sonic cloud
Let’s use the statement “baryonyx is a jaguar”
vast wolf
there are a lot of thin snouted crocodiliaforms that have existed over time.
vast wolf
i dont see any for cerato except it swimming away from an allo in its concept. not hunting in the water.
thorny lynx
Gharial mouth are dumb
It evolved for a reason. Maybe there were no large prey items in a crocodile ancestor's area, so it evolved to be smaller and have a thinner snout for more agility in the water to catch smaller creatures.
dapper pulsar
It evolved for a reason. Maybe there were no large prey items in a crocodile anc...
You go extinct at that point.
Gharial = dumb
sonic cloud
And yet you seem to have found evidence for baryonyx that no one else has seen
vast wolf
we dont have barys concept and punch has said its concept is on the backburner until more elder concepts are done.
thorny lynx
Gharial = dumb
No... it is an adaptation.
dapper pulsar
Yeah
a dumb adaptation
for stupid dumb animal
look at how a cool animal does it.
vast wolf
baryonyx hunts semi aquatic animals. beip minmi small deinos ptera fish. it can also hunt small land animals dryo ava hypsi ect.
dapper pulsar
False Gharial
-omega chad
-not Gharial
vast wolf
thats a false gharial.
dapper pulsar
Gharial
-virgin
-Gharial
vast wolf
explain how this thing crushed turtle shells.
sonic cloud
Now the best way to do that is to look for reliable sources i.e. the developers of the game.
Now lets look at what evidence we have seen for baryonyx: fuck all
Now let’s look at what we have for Ceratosaurus: 3 images in official concept art that was posted very recently.
dapper pulsar
Bitch I know what it is
Being big and gay doesn't change being gay.
You're just more gay.
sonic cloud
And yet you seem to have come to the opposite conclusion
vast wolf
we have 1 image of cerato escaping with the water and another of it killing a deino on land.
sonic cloud
And one of it lazing in water
vast wolf
that dosent prove anything about it being semi aquatic.
sonic cloud
...
dapper pulsar
I'm not gonna say that actually
vast wolf
thats mudhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/783840062601166848/Ceratosaurusconcept.jpg
dapper pulsar
I've crossed enough lines.
thorny lynx
for stupid dumb animal
It does not need to grab big ass animals like wildebeest. Why would it need large jawsand a large body if there are no prey items available that large to sustain such mass? Thin snouts allow it to be more hydrodynamic and resist drag and currents better to catch fish.
sonic cloud
Im starting to feel like a picture of suchomimus eating a fish would make you say “but that doesn’t make it semi-aquatic”
dapper pulsar
It does not need to grab big ass animals like wildebeest. Why would it need larg...
You die with honor in the scenario where there is no big prey.
Don't live like this.
vast wolf
eating a fish is different from catching one.
dapper pulsar
You're a crocodilian god damn it, start acting like it.
sonic cloud
Ok
sonic cloud
Oh boy I look forward to you making the same arguments for baryonyx a week from now
dapper pulsar
More wrong people does not make it any less wrong uhhhhhhhhhhhh
evidence inconclusive
vast wolf
whats that you like oh yeah acro which is just slow giga.
thorny lynx
DUCC
vast wolf
tbf acro is better than giga but the only reason its staying is because it was a dev pick to stay.
sonic cloud
Especially when cerato gets released and you literally see reality goes against your opinion
dapper pulsar
Imagine Ducc grabbing a fucking Rex by the neck and throwing it to the ground
kick
kick
kick
punch
dead
vast wolf
Especially when cerato gets released and you literally see reality goes against ...
go ask #401464048610312195
sonic cloud
You don’t have any arguments yourself?
dapper pulsar
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