general-feedback-discussion

[last topaz]

I had to go in a lot more, because it had a herd that was protecting it and allowing it to go into the mud so I had to keep the pressure

The bleed game doesn't work because you can cancel the wallow animation and still stop bleed (it takes 1 seconds to cancel animation)

[wild stone]

That's clearly not intended behavior lol
The argument shouldn't be "Let's tone down Stego so that Carno can have an easier meal", the argument should be "Let's fix bleed." That seems to be a major issue right now, I'll agree.
#general-feedback message

[valid zephyr]

you don't even need to find mud to clog the bleed.

[last topaz]

I think that the adult stego is good, only the juvies should be nerfed and fresh subs maybe

[valid zephyr]

I don't think fresh juvie stego should one shot fresh juvie carno.

[wild stone]

I think you should wait until Allo is released before comparing Stego to any other animal and claiming that it needs a nerf.

[valid zephyr]

Even then allo is still a mid tier dino. stego pseudo large.

[last topaz]

If every other dino is balanced in the full grown vs sub stego matchup, that means the carno will still need a buff

[valid zephyr]

allo pair should be best bet vs a full grown stego.

[cyan flame]

Wait, were you hunting a stego herd on your own?

[cobalt kiln]

Carnos in evrima are OP

[last topaz]

Nah, I was with a lot of carnos, but I seemed to be the only one with balls

[cobalt kiln]

They basically control every body so Utah’s just starve in every game

[cyan flame]

Ah okay, well, a herd will most likely overpower the carno group

[last topaz]

The adult stegos were too dumb to hit me even once, the little stego was the only one that hit me

[cyan flame]

xD

[last topaz]

After that I lost my carno because the right click didn't work to shake a pouncing utah off of me

[cyan flame]

Heh, fair enough, but I think that if they had protection, it would have been hard anyway, so. In a 1v1, you'd probably win, or at least have a lot easier time and control of the situation

Yeah, bucking is strange right now

[last topaz]

Everyone is saying the carno is op because they watched a sticky utah video and are confused on why they can't 1v1 them

[valid zephyr]

There defo needs to be something to shake utahs off.

[ebon crypt]

No, carno is kinda op atm since it's extremely maneuverable and accelerates in 1 second

[cyan flame]

Two utahs with pounce kills one, so I don't know.. :p

But yeah, the turn/everything is surprisingly good, which is nice, but maybe a touch too good

Now if only it wasn't oversized..

[ebon crypt]

The oversized thing is the least of our worries

[cyan flame]

Fair, but I wonder if it doesn't add to a little of the problem Deiu faced

[valid zephyr]

making it proper size would slightly decrease its hitbox and also slow it down.

[ebon crypt]

Size does pose a problem with balancing as it can give off an impression that an animal is stronger/weaker due to its size (which is also a reason as to why people want stego to be upsized) and hitboxes of course

[random imp]

but don't fight a Stego as a carno, simple

carno alone is not meant to deal with it

if you attack it, ram it and you get it hit's your fault of choosing poorly

[wild stone]

I agree about the animations. They need to slow the animals back down just for latency reasons. But yes, Carno and Stego's run animation becomes less and less appropriate as they grow in age. Stego was unbelievable to me when I first saw it, although I don't think it's so bad for young ones now that I've gotten used to it.

Also part of the problem is the lack of IK, so all the dinosaurs are literally floating on the same plane with no change in height through most run cycles.

[valid zephyr]

juvie carno is just a teleporting mess to fight against.

[last topaz]

The "don't fight a stego as a carno" only works with full grown stegos vs full grown carnos. The real life equivalent is "don't fight an elephant as a lion", but lions actually hunt little elephants. The debate was for "carno vs juvie stego/ fresh sub stego"

[cyan flame]

Not really

Carno is cheetah, you're thinking of allo matchup

Carno is a small game hunter, even if it looks big, so it gets a bit weird

[valid zephyr]

Looks like I'm very outvoted on the map.

[ebon crypt]

Also giving the server admins an option if they want the larger or smaller map could be nice

[zinc anvil]

You are also making about carnivore hunger values which can be adjusted to suit the map

Keep this in mind

[valid zephyr]

True. If carni hunger values were higher I wouldn't mind the larger map.

[cyan flame]

I just miss the more interesting parts of the map

No idea why we kept the beach area but not the swamps/the "pool" and all that

[zinc anvil]

Then vote for it to go back to it’s original size

If you haven’t that is

[cyan flame]

But it's not a size issue specifically, just which parts were cut/kept for me

[zinc anvil]

Well going back to it’s original size would bring back all of the parts you miss

[cyan flame]

Well yes.. but if they really want a smaller map, I'd be fine with that, if we can discuss which part of the map should be used :p

[cerulean perch]

I think he means a smaller map is still good, but should contain a variety of terrain and areas to keep things interesting inside that aforementioned smaller map

What Erik means sorry

[cyan flame]

Yeh

I feel like they kept the worst parts of the map, and that it's not the size, but why are we keeping the beach/"BP" area when the other spots were more popular

[zinc anvil]

The content inside won’t change really all you’ll get back is the radio tower and the southern swamp I believe

[valid zephyr]

the BP swamp is the most popular area by far.

[cyan flame]

The two southern swamps, the "pool"/fields, and a bit more out the long river, you coud still keep the main swamp, and so on

[zinc anvil]

Adding more content to the current map isn’t going to happen. It’s either say what it is now or go back to what was the original size of the map

[cyan flame]

Main point is, I think it's better to argue which part of the map should be used/how much, rather than just this or restored entirely

@valid zephyr Eh, southern swamps were popular as well

[valid zephyr]

I never saw a player there. Even on full servers.

NW pond seems quite popular. Was there for an hour and there were two carnos and two stegos.

[cyan flame]

Then you've clearly not played enough, is all I can say

Tennos main spot is at "sucho" swamp, not at main swamp/"BP"

@zinc anvil You do understand my point right? If they can cut the map one way, surely they can cut the map in any other way

[zinc anvil]

I get what you mean it’s just a pain in the ass to do it’s better just to keep it as simple as possible with the least amount of time used

[cyan flame]

Alright

@zinc anvil Perhaps if it's needed again at some time, it could be a question for the community which parts they would rather cut/keep

[zinc anvil]

Well it will be the original size or what we currently have. Not much point wasting time on the map when the new map does start from fresh anyway

[pale prairie]

i'd honestly prefer something like this.
most of the area in the north isn't used anyway and the south is more interesting.

[severe hazel]

So what’s the current map area we have

[cyan flame]

@zinc anvil Yes, but if they want/have to change it again. New map isn't out yet so, no saying things can't change again.

[severe hazel]

Anyone have a picture of the current map area?

[pale prairie]

black box in the above SS is the current map area

[severe hazel]

Nice

[cyan flame]

The playable there is the visible, in the blue/black lines, red would be a suggestion, that I would much prefer. You could even cut bary/that side a bit

[severe hazel]

Where did you even find that map picture

I’ve been looking all over for a good map picture

[pale prairie]

https://vulnona.com/game/the_isle/

[severe hazel]

Cheers 👍

[paper geyser]

agreed, half the map is just water and well, nothing now. It was a weird decision

[severe hazel]

I’m going to go grow all my herbis at beach pond away from all the bloody carnos

The destroyer of worlds that they are

[cyan flame]

The carnos will get there :p

[severe hazel]

They can get there, but will they???

[pale prairie]

the plains down by delta river is a better spot from experience.

there's plenty of food there, it's a massive area with plenty of space to hide and the water is easily accessible.

[sick crescent]

Open the South, Close the North

No idea why the devs cut the south off

[pale prairie]

yes^

[cyan flame]

They will when they can't find you anywhere else :p

[sick crescent]

Those were like the best spots lmao

[severe hazel]

Grew my teno at delta river today

[sick crescent]

Ducky kept everything too

We still would have arch and bampy

And mossy

Etc

[severe hazel]

Is there no food at beach pond?

[pale prairie]

i mean this area.

oh i'm sure there is.

i actually haven't been there myself yet.

[cyan flame]

Should probably cut delta/bary swamp though

[sick crescent]

Ducky likes Lemon Fields?

The center of the gardens region, duck

[pale prairie]

these names

never heard them called that before.

[cyan flame]

Azure is cryptic, you'll get used to it :p

[pale prairie]

but yeah no, the plains area down there is my favourite spot on the map.

[severe hazel]

Is there any food at beach pond or is more barren wasteland of inedible plants

[zinc anvil]

You want the map to change then vote on what’s in the general feedback I’ll put it forward if it gets enough votes and we will see what becomes of it I’ll leave it up till Friday.

[sick crescent]

Fork Arches is a community name I like tbh, haven’t liked a community name in a while

[sick crescent]

Dm’d you

[pale prairie]

👌

[zinc anvil]

Help me to help you all out on what you want by votes it’s not just the devs game or the QAs game it’s our game we all put time in

[glass mulch]

Wrong channel lol

sorry

[zinc anvil]

If it don’t reach enough votes you’ll be stuck with what you have now for the map size until they hire a mapper.

[idle ibex]

Smaller map doesnt bother me too much imo, it means you have to encounter people more. Which definitely makes you die more, yes. but it makes the game more exciting for now, and you get alot more combat in. Though theres always like the 2 large carni and herbi groups on this new map restriction, so thats a downside

[sick crescent]

but what about ducky’s thingy

[zinc anvil]

This will be looked into once we get a better understanding of people want the change or not

[lilac swallow]

Would be possible to have the current smaller version and the original size at the same time as options?

[tall cape]

Where do you have to vote? I want the old paper size or even bigger. I don't like what he did to you with the map at all. It is survival game not a game in a boxing ring.

[zinc anvil]

#general-feedback message

This is just a vote to go back the the original size map we had do keep in mine the roster was smaller and so was the player base at the time

[lilac swallow]

I'm fraid the suggestion gets pushed pushed up by newer suggestions and people that would Iike to vote don't notice it

[zinc anvil]

Bigger isn’t really possible than the original size as the rest of the map has nothing going for it and it has problems with the map

[zinc anvil]

This is fine I will be posting it in the isle general discussion every now and then so people will see it

[lilac swallow]

Good to know

[zinc anvil]

I personally don’t care if the map stays the same or changes

[lilac swallow]

The size change really hinders my enjoyment to the point I don't want to play, I hope the return size option wins

[zinc anvil]

We will see on Friday night

[lilac swallow]

We will

[valid zephyr]

The return to original size option will win by far.

[lilac swallow]

Although I think having the 2 sizes as options is the best option, and having both sizes on official servers

Literally everyone wins there

[tall cape]

I understand. I'm waiting for the new map. But, until then, I still hope to quickly release the old version of the map.

🙂

[zinc anvil]

The old version being the original size roughly

[tall cape]

Yepp....sorry for my english. 🙂 im from Roumania! 🙂

[urban flax]

@abstract haven I think 25% is too much of a slow. And not all dinos need to be slowed down, stego is fine ^^

[abstract haven]

Makes sense, I just feel it's fast, even stego is little bit too fast, though I admit it's nice you can travel fast even as a baby stego 🙂

[urban flax]

Yeah, if I remember devs willingly made dinos super speedy so they can cross the map more easily
On another note, that's also why they are heavily fictionalizing anky

[ebon crypt]

Which they shouldn't have tbh

[urban flax]

Honestly, I'm not that opposed to its design. I don't like the rhino style, but I'm not against having a galloping anky (maybe I just don't like anky). After all, we have featherless pouncing utahs.

And we're gonna have a Kaiju spino, too.

[tepid dune]

i think dinos are getting their speeds balanced individually, because right now that only a problem to smaller animals

[ebon crypt]

It's already called Isle fan-art, what else do you want?

[flat ridge]

isle fan-art isn't specific enough, and i just saw a post of how they're tired of people posting unrelated art

it sounds like, artwork made by an isle fan

not really, isle-specific artwork

[ebon crypt]

It has Isle in the name, it would just be called fan-art if it was for everything. Hell, it was called fan-art. And channel descriptions exists

[flat ridge]

not everyone bothers to read the descriptions, but they do bother to read the channel name

[jovial vine]

Non-Isle fanart gets yeeted by mods these days

[flat ridge]

that's how it's been for a long time

[ebon crypt]

I mean, it still has Isle in the name. I don't really understand how someone can mistake it with made by Isle players. Wouldn't that be called Islander art or something?

[flat ridge]

it's because it says isle-fan

it sounds like ISLE FAN art

[ebon crypt]

It's not that hard to read the room really. Literally all the posts are of Isle art only

[flat ridge]

still a suggestion worth looking into, because it's kind of dumb how many unrelated posts there seem to be

before they get deleted

[ebon crypt]

People can be dumb sometimes, but tbh I haven't seen that many posts of completely unrelated art

[flat ridge]

or atleast remove the - between fan and art

to be isle-fanart

[modest anchor]

i love the biology in this update! Kudos to the artists! Spirodela polyrhiza or commonly known as Giant Duckweed.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-sKGB7Xq/0/10669089/X3/i-sKGB7Xq-X3.jpg

[ebon crypt]

Mostly either general dino art or people who don't know where else to post their art

[random imp]

my concerns are about deino, how it it gonna ambush stuff is it's big as a bus and there aren't other stuffs but himself floating around?

i hope the duck weed is gonna help hide it, like it was shown in phase two, and not just swim through it like it's not existant

[worn pumice]

well it can ambush a stego

dont try and run to a stego on land obviously but im sure the deino can head shot a stego when it tries to drink

[stone scaffold]

@zenith onyx a system like that could easily be abused to feed carni’s

[zenith onyx]

wait what?

im not understanding

[stone scaffold]

if you’re able to juvie spawn on friends you could just eat them over and over

[zenith onyx]

eat your friends?

your talking cannibal carnos and utahs here

it already happens

[narrow quail]

When are they going to fix the rex because right now it is so broken it's stupid that it can one shot most mid tiers now when before it was 2 hits.

[zenith onyx]

its gonna get fixed lol, idk when though

[stone scaffold]

the nesting system will essentially accomplish what you want but it takes work so it would discourage that kind of behavior

[worn pumice]

big apex dinos are a long way from now

apex carni dinos I should say

[narrow quail]

I hope soon I'm tired of seeing so many Rex's getting successful bites when your riding them. I have died too many times from that. Also make Theri what it used to be because the broken ass rex now needs to get punished somehow.

[worn pumice]

well evima is gonna be more strategic

after playing it seems their basically gonna make carnis think more

[versed zodiac]

meh i usually spawn near where i die.

[versed zodiac]

if carnis even think in the first place

[worn pumice]

lol

[versed zodiac]

so many caps.

[barren zephyr]

Deinosuchus was probably big enough to take on most hadrosaurs.

Parasaurolophus n stuff

[zenith onyx]

one can still have hope @stone scaffold

[errant tartan]

Anyone else lost their dinosaur, I’m super pissed because I played 4hours of Steph last night and I safe log, come back today and nothing.

[sick crescent]

@last topaz trample

There

⏲️

[last topaz]

Why the clock

[sick crescent]

Cause its coming eventually

[last topaz]

Ah I didn't know that, just saw some people discuss it in isle-discussion and thought I'd let the devs know

[quartz lantern]

@full torrent are you sure it was a 20min fresh spawn?

[full torrent]

it was the smallest stego in the group, it barely came up past my ankle

i ran into it and it made me stick to it, and its father made sure that i had messed up

[quartz lantern]

Did you maybe run into the adults hitbox?

[full torrent]

the adult had to run to me to hit me, it charged it ecause it was alone in an open field

[quartz lantern]

Ah okay. Good to know

[full torrent]

i was like "free meal"

[quartz lantern]

Thanks for the info! We will look into it :)

Yeah haha I probably would have done the same tbh 😅

[noble pine]

It’s almost as if the jungle is on a tropical island

Like I get it but

If you just go in the jungle it gets dark

Horror ≠ gloomy, grey sad colors, there are plenty of horror related games and movies that bright and colorful but get extremely dark and unsettling at night

[worn pumice]

i still think all the animations feel strange like stego stops instantly even though it weighs 4.5 tons

[noble pine]

Which is where the horror of this game comes from, night time, that’s why the night time update is the “horror update”

[worn pumice]

and carno accelerates to like 100 in a few second and has a brake mechanic

[noble pine]

Oh no, the walks are shit for carnivores

[worn pumice]

fr

what is the walk and trot for carno

what even is that lol

y is carno massive

so many issues

[noble pine]

The spino, Carno and Utah just kind plop one foot directly in front of the other and just go on, it doesn’t actually feel like you’re walking, it feels like sneaking but you aren’t actually trying to be sneaky.

[worn pumice]

yea

someone literally showed that the spino in the animation put all its weight on one tip toe

like bruh

[noble pine]

Carno has plenty of weight and so does stego, but the insta stop for Carno does bother me, also how fast it turns when you stop

[worn pumice]

yea

it accelerates way too fast and stops in a few seconds

it feels weightless

carno in legacy felt good cuz it felt like a bus which is how it should've been

[worn pumice]

yea in this animation it literally tips toe

oh wait did they change it

it looks a lot better

[noble pine]

Just move the legs forward a bit more

[worn pumice]

this looks a lot better

[noble pine]

The body movement is perfect but leg placement kills me

[worn pumice]

this is how carnis should walk

[noble pine]

Idk if that was the walk

[worn pumice]

like i rly dislike the carno trot

[noble pine]

I personally think it looks fine but that’s just my personal view

[worn pumice]

that actual animation is fine but all the carnos animations feels like it doesnt have weight

like for the run because its such a big animal running so fast they should make it move its legs longer like they did in legacy

[noble pine]

I’m extremely happy with stego, hypsi and dryo, if they lowered the head on Utah when it ran and made the trot not look like it’s stomping its feet it would also be

[worn pumice]

stego animation seem ok

the trot is nice

run is ok tho

looks a lil janky especially the right front leg

[noble pine]

There is really no other way to make it run and look right so

I like it

Unless you make it just walk fast

[worn pumice]

no i mean the right front leg bends in a strange way

kinda looks like the dibble front leg from legacy

https://youtu.be/mmT7_I5Xcxc

the run in this looks fine just some polishing needed

the one we have the right front leg looks like its broken

[noble pine]

The spino walk we see in phase 2 is

The run is ok just needs weight and not to float on its toes

[worn pumice]

yea that was the spino walk i was thinking about

the one u showed me tho looks a lot better

[noble pine]

Not touching the ground at all^

This is fine

[lilac swallow]

its a whole second just on the tips of the toes, its not fine at all

[noble pine]

It is though

If it were to stay flat footed until it’s other foot hit the ground the animation would either be A. Slow as hell or B. Look weird

[lilac swallow]

and it doesnt look weird now?

[noble pine]

This walk? Animation actually looks decently placed unlike Carno or Utah

Not really no

It’s a game, and at some point you got to let something slide

[lilac swallow]

maybe i understand that 8 tons animals cant move like chickens

[plucky ridge]

@ebon crypt that was quite a essay but you do make some really good points.

[noble pine]

I half agree ^

[ebon crypt]

Give me the summary of what you guys said, I was away after I posted that

[noble pine]

The jungle complaint I kinda get? But again you can just walk into the jungle and it get dark

And it is a tropical island, you can’t blame them for making the trees have actual tropical jungle colors

[low dock]

I gotta say I love the ways people are trying to get Magy to be viable, it's hilarious.

[noble pine]

Eh?

[lilac swallow]

they really be trying to give magy litterally anything

[noble pine]

It says on the road map that it doesn’t taste good

Like ok?

[lilac swallow]

sonic attack for para? no better for magy

[noble pine]

Doesn’t stop people from just owning you and running away

[worn pumice]

I just saw the animation the spino is almost a whole second on its tip toe

thats broken

[lilac swallow]

ridiculous

[ebon crypt]

While that is partly true, that does beg the question: was a tropical biome really the best option then? Cause my main complaint with Evrima is honestly just the oversaturated and bright colors, as well as no color variation. And I do know that Spiro was thrown together rather hastily as to not delay Evrima any further

[noble pine]

simple fix would be

Make the foot come down faster

So it’s not a ballerina

[lilac swallow]

that would be perfect

[worn pumice]

yea as long as they fix it its fine

but idek if they look at any suggestions

theres like no conformation

[noble pine]

A tropical island is the best setting for an environment full of animals like this, also, jungles are dance and massive making them a breeding ground or jump scares, creepy hunts and just scary interaction

They do

What they should do is allow server hosts to select how much of the map they want to be playable on spero, that way there’s no complaints

I know that would probably be hard but it would stop all of this backlash

With animation, what I sill give Bryan is the leg shake when they hit the ground, it’s neat and most of the dinos have it

[ebon crypt]

Cause, again, the only Evrima map that I could explore for myself was Spiro, which is rushed and very same-y. There are a lot of tropical biomes, but all we got was really dense jungles and plains. My main concern is that those aren't the only tropical biomes we get with the other maps, which looks like we at least get more sparse jungles, so that's nice

[zinc anvil]

Everything you see in phase 2 is a work in progress nothing is finished

[noble pine]

^

[worn pumice]

yea im sure that their working on the animations

[noble pine]

My thoughts as well

The animations were also posted in like January?

I’d assume they’ve been changed by now or fixed

[plucky ridge]

I feel like the isle doesn’t know what Direction it’s going in anymore. First it was supposed to be a horror game where dinosaurs and people are supposed to be fighting each other and now it seems more like cinematic survival game. I think that’s there biggest problem.

[worn pumice]

I always know the animations r being workd on and that was posted awhile ago anyways

[quartz lantern]

It's evolving. If you stay on one set course it'll be boring and never grow beyond that. He's should always morph in the beginning to figure out what works well.

[noble pine]

I mean, it still is a survival horror, and that will definitely be true when humans are added (cause most of the roster will be done by then hopefully) and it’ll be hella scary as Humans

[worn pumice]

imagining how long all this will take makes me want to eat printer paper lol

[plucky ridge]

Ya but they have been saying that for years soooo.

[noble pine]

A lot of games say a lot of things for years

[worn pumice]

i mean night time in legacy on a very full server was pretty scary imo

[noble pine]

cyberpunk
ark

[quartz lantern]

Keep in mind the team working on this game is small. Changes will take longer and the vision will change as community feedback and gameplay evolves. Things are still in progress for this new version and will continue to be fixed and addressed.

[still raptor]

I agree with everything except megalania .

[plucky ridge]

My point being is that it feels like they might be trying to fit to much into one game. But to be perfectly honest I’ve never made one soooo.

[noble pine]

Who complained about mega

I’ll eat you

[worn pumice]

lol

[noble pine]

[still raptor]

Me

[noble pine]

Not

You

[still raptor]

You can't kill me.

[barren zephyr]

no

shut

[noble pine]

I can

[barren zephyr]

[noble pine]

[barren zephyr]

ok

[quartz lantern]

[barren zephyr]

green

[plucky ridge]

Ya I just feel like there vision is a little bit everywhere at the moment. I don’t mind waiting.

[barren zephyr]

[noble pine]

Elon crust

[worn pumice]

is anky still gonna be a rock thats powerful or are they changing it

hope it will be the rock it always was

[quartz lantern]

Visions change as people give feedback. A small team can do so much. While yes vision has changed, they're being more transparent with those changes through the dev blog and constant updates

[worn pumice]

yo i can imagine an anky running as fast as a carno

lol

give the anky pounce too

[zinc anvil]

At the phase 2 channel look the to and is say everything in there is a wip

[noble pine]

[barren zephyr]

You made me laugh hard asshole @barren zephyr

4 eyebrow hypsi wen

[ruby laurel]

Right, it's really hard to think of ideas

[noble pine]

My thing is, there was heavy criticism about anky yet barely anything changed, so how viable is our opinion?

[barren zephyr]

never

F

a elder hypsi wouldnt grow 2 more fucking eyebrows -.-

be real

[ruby laurel]

I dropped that sonic boom thing in there cause I know parrots do that and supposedly sauropods could also do that with their tails

[barren zephyr]

And eyebrows with two endings?

[noble pine]

.

[ruby laurel]

But coming up with ideas to balance Magy is really hard cause it's just... not really viable imo

[barren zephyr]

perhaps with a ending but not another set of eyebrows

Magy is viable... having plague of madness

[noble pine]

It’s a large kanetoad

[barren zephyr]

my hypsi reload key isnt a thing ;-;

makes me cringe

[ruby laurel]

Like with the bad taste mechanic they teased people will just kill them for fun anyways

[barren zephyr]

Ceratosaurus niche magy wen

[noble pine]

My point exactly, rook

Nothing is stopping that giga from just killing you and leaving you there

[ruby laurel]

I guess we'll see how it turns out lol

[worn pumice]

wonder how magy is gonna be lol

[ebon crypt]

Looking at the new concept art, not great

[noble pine]

Megas Already confirmed and if we use deino as an example, I’m sure the devs will base megalania heavily or entirely on Komodo dragons

[barren zephyr]

Well they're close relatives

[noble pine]

Well no, komodos are just small megas

[barren zephyr]

Slightly drifting offtopic, Komodo dragons actually originated in Australia

[noble pine]

There was no reason for megalania to stay massive so they just shrunk

[barren zephyr]

Modern Komodo dragons coexisted with Megalania

[ebon crypt]

Honestly I'm excited to see how mega will work. We don't have that many quad carnivores. Well, we have one, but he's kinda water bound

[noble pine]

Yes, and were driven to extinction in Australia

It doesn’t matter either way because mega was just a giant Komodo

[plucky ridge]

You are right in what you are saying. It just seems there are many directions they are wanting to take this game and from where I sit I don’t see how they are going to do some of these things with the current function they have now and with the team size they have. Just seems they have bitten off to much and now they are trying to swallow and it’s a little painful to watch. If they can get it to work out it will be a very good game. Just hard to see at times.

[worn pumice]

deino vs stego seems interesting

[noble pine]

There’s no way they could fuck up it’s gameplay

[barren zephyr]

I'd maybe go for reddish brown and other earthy colours with the Mega's "normal" colour scheme

[ebon crypt]

Yes, gib brown dinos. No more green

[noble pine]

I would’ve never really thought about it before, but now since I have 2 monitors I’m gonna be upset if they don’t give mega a tail whip or burrowing. Also monitors are endurance hunters and komodos can run faster than a human and outpace them

So speed for mega will not be unnatural

[barren zephyr]

@crisp topaz you must try to track well

theres AI

but you have to find them

[crisp topaz]

I literally was wandering around listening for anything that didn’t sound like ambient noise

[barren zephyr]

it wont be like legacy’s, shouting constantly and not moving or when moving running in circles

Because AI dryos dont make calls

you must see them

theyre always in the borderline of jungle and grassland

you can also smell their footprints

[crisp topaz]

I was doing the smelling like nonstop for sure and looking around all the open field areas as much as I could

[barren zephyr]

Theyre in the limit of forest and plains

Try to look there

the problem isnt AI spawns, the problem is that theyre sneaky as shit xD

[crisp topaz]

Thanks for the tips I’ll try to give it another shot. Nothing more frustrating than being a lonely Utah and can’t find food.

[barren zephyr]

Theyre REALLY stealthy

they only walk when they dont detect you and they never make calls

[worn pumice]

i literally havent seen any ai dryos

[jovial otter]

How do you find them then lol

[worn pumice]

i might be blind lol

[barren zephyr]

anyway, try to enter a server with many people so you have another option to eat

[jovial otter]

Do they walk if you sneak?

[crisp topaz]

So basically if it’s nighttime you’re screwed cuz that’s what happened to me

[barren zephyr]

Yes

[worn pumice]

if ur a herbivore do they run away or do they not care

[barren zephyr]

AI dryos are fucking ninjas

theyre hiding in the borderline of the jungle constantly

also

i think its a realistic detail

an animal like dryo must be sneaky to survive

[worn pumice]

yo imagine a ninja rex ai

crazy

[barren zephyr]

And irl predators struggle finding preys

its to control carni population i guess

[worn pumice]

apprently i just found out that most preds have 20%-30% of a hunt actually being sucessful

[barren zephyr]

Yes

But hunts, not trackings

[worn pumice]

trackings?

[barren zephyr]

if you find dryo AI, your chance to win is 90% unless you are really bad

Yeah

[worn pumice]

oh trackings

got u

[barren zephyr]

before hunt you must find it

[crisp topaz]

But predators are hunting nonstop they don’t just chill for a while and then they decide they wanna hunt to top off their food, unless they just ate.

[worn pumice]

tru finding the dryo is a pain lol

[barren zephyr]

I never starve when i play

[barren zephyr]

Exactly, they look for food constantly

so its something realistic and normal to dont find a shy and small animal easily

[crisp topaz]

I suppose that’s fair. When they add more creature AI I’m sure it’ll be different

[barren zephyr]

Yes

Its logic

rn we only have AI dryos, that are animals meant to hide

[worn pumice]

the problem is how fast carnis run outta food

its a big issue

[barren zephyr]

It might be different with AI utahs and tenos

[worn pumice]

i literally lost almost 10% hunger after 7 mins of spawning in as a juvi carno

like

cmon

[barren zephyr]

Yes

thats true

[crisp topaz]

Yeah hunger drain is a little steep

[barren zephyr]

carno hunger drain is insane

[worn pumice]

hunger drain is wack

[crisp topaz]

Utah definitely wasn’t as bad

[barren zephyr]

But i think that its a way to control how fast you can move over the mao to find food

[worn pumice]

herbis getting more hungry then carnis is fine cuz grass

but carnis dont always have food

[barren zephyr]

*map

[crisp topaz]

I’m gonna hop back in and give your advice a go and see how far I get this time.

[barren zephyr]

Can i comment a suggestion before putting it on feedback?

[jovial vine]

@hearty mist aye just make it so press G to grab a chunk, Hold G to carry easy peasy

[worn pumice]

i think u can

[barren zephyr]

Difficulty levels in the isle when its more developed to avoid legacy difficulty issue

[hearty mist]

or G to carry and another key to grab a piece ?

[barren zephyr]

I mean

for me(400hrs) was pathethically easy to grow everything i wanted

[jovial vine]

no need to seperate the keys imo, just press and hold should be fine

[barren zephyr]

So why not putting harder modes for more hardcore players that want a true challenge?

Or putting also an easier mode than normal one for newbies

[lilac swallow]

dificulty modes only really work in single player and coop games

[worn pumice]

thats not gonna work very well tho

this is multiplayer

[hearty mist]

I'm fine with that. But I'd love to run to a body, bite it to grab a piece and run off. Better than running to it, holding the key (for 1s ?) making you stop and then do your thing

[barren zephyr]

Or adjusting AI difficulty

[worn pumice]

yea u can do that

[hearty mist]

Not really no

[barren zephyr]

So they can be from easy to hardcore mode, changing mobility, strenght and maybe how agressive they are

So you have a bigger challenge

[hearty mist]

AI is in the works. It's very hard to get AI to work correctly (not to dumb too be free food and not too strong to rampage and slaughter everyone)

[barren zephyr]

Or difficulty can change what dinos do spawn and/or how often

for example AI strains only in hard and/or extreme/hardcore mode

[hearty mist]

Nah, why bother develop assets for only a few difficulty levels ?

They can't do that, not enough time

[barren zephyr]

When game or roadmap is finished?

I can wait, i have patience

[hearty mist]

This game has potential to be forever improved. They have to decide that the development is over at some point.

because income will not be flowing in forever

The idea is good but not adapted to the team developing the game.

[barren zephyr]

And simply an admin option of choosing what types of AI spawn?

[barren zephyr]

fish is deino main prey

also everyone near its jaws

beipis,minmis,austros,barys,maybe suchos...

these days...

But deino is big enough to take down crypto tho

And big enough to take down everything in the roadmap

Well it's a giant gator

What do you expect?

Yes, it's too fast on land for it's size as an adult, but hopefully it does get made slower.

[worn pumice]

i wonder if a stego hits deino in the hit if its gonna die or not guessing it would

in the roapmap on trello they labled deino as a medium canivore

[barren zephyr]

Probably yes, assuming it gets impaled

Deinosuchus is still a giant Alligator

I'd consider it to be large tbh

[worn pumice]

its still large by no means small

im guessing on land stego will wack it and when stego goes to drink chomp

seems like a good balance, hopefully

[verbal acorn]

I found a small mixed pack of herbies on NA#1, had to kill and eat an adult Dryo and a juvi Stego, 2x dead Hypsi and a dead mid-growth Utah(I think) to fill my stomach up from about 30% full.

I literally terrorized a herd for about 7 minutes, killing and scavenging 5 animals to satiate my hunger.

That’s bad gameplay experience for me and the herd. I have to be so obsessed with food that I have to essentially grief a herd with my bloodlust to feel secure enough to leave them alone. They have to watch every youngling and small herd mate get systematically devoured...they undoubtedly feel targeted and griefed.

I literally made a point to sort of apologize to them as I sit off in the field eating the 2nd victim from their herd. Im literally telling them, “I mean no disrespect, I’m just trying to fill up my stomach”...I ate more volume than my whole abdomen, how is my stomach not full? Why must I cull a herd of its next generation of herd mates just to be satiated? It’s basically game mechanic sanctioned griefing....

[severe hazel]

Hunger do need to be slowed down

[nimble thistle]

Same thing, had to reduce the hypsi and stego population along the river to atoms to grow one carno

On the other hand, there wasn't a single second of afk which is someway good

[strange wave]

@barren zephyr just fyi, its homalocephale, not homalocephalosaurus, sorry if it sounds like im being an ass

[idle needle]

If herbs could sniff while WALKING only, not trotting, I'd be okay with that

But the reason that herbs can't sniff while moving is so they can't track down carnis and murder them

Trust me, it's been a problem in the past. My goodness. The number of times I was tracked down by a diablo...

[dapper pulsar]

I'm pretty sure everything in that suggestion has already been suggested and or soft confirmed.

[livid bramble]

@wooden drift I never even thought about that, I bet it's hell for colorblind people to find green particles on a green forest backdrop 👀

[wooden drift]

you have no idea.

im just

[livid bramble]

😭 Sounds rough, it's already hard to find food as is

[wooden drift]

"what the fuck am i looking at"

lmao

maybe someday tho, hope so

[sudden hinge]

I think set pack limits should work if juvi and younger don’t play into the pack limit like if you have a shit ton of eggs they can all hatch and grow but as soon as the transfer into the subadult stage they are booted from the group this wouldn’t effect the scent clouds for large groups but it would allow more friends to group together for a time and help there friends grow to adult

[hushed shadow]

i personally think there should be no hard limits at all.. had this discussion not too long ago but i really hope they take those limits out and instead debuff larger groups heavily, and if youre too big you wont be able to sustain yourself

then have the limits as a toggleable option for servers

it just feels more natural that way, since its currently so immersive with the minimal HUD and all, i feel like hard limits break up the flow of the gameplay

[dapper pulsar]

Ovi, if it's getting mimicry, could replicate interesting sounds as a part of courtship.

Also horny eagle death spiral with Pterosaurs.

[spiral ravine]

stop putting suggestions on dinos that are not even released. you don't know what's planned, you don't know when it's gonna be released, why are you typing a 500 word essay on something that's so far in the future

[calm musk]

@potent sonnet OHohO I love the thrash idea, especially that you have to actively interact with it as well and it's not just simply pressing a key bind- and sure, those are dinos in the far far future, but they aren't doing any harm

[dapper pulsar]

Why though?

[calm musk]

if anything it's more just a suggestion or budding idea, again yeah, it's hella far into the future, but let people dream and have fun

[potent sonnet]

@spiral ravine Because I like Acro and I can enjoy speculating

[dapper pulsar]

What's the benefit of not suggesting things for things that don't have any work that would be undone by suggesting?

[spiral ravine]

@potent sonnet don't do it in the suggestion channel

you know nothing about the dino, you don't even know if it's actually gonna be in the game

[potent sonnet]

Uh... Acro's concept was shown off?

[dapper pulsar]

Why not though? And...?

[spiral ravine]

do you know when it's gonna be in the game?

[dapper pulsar]

No, but that doesn't change anything.

[spiral ravine]

you're overwhelming the suggestion channel with things the devs haven't even started planning

it's called suggestion

[potent sonnet]

You said it yourself

It's a suggestion bud

[spiral ravine]

we have bijillion bugs and other dinos that need fix

and you're here making suggestions on a dino that you THINK should do this

[dapper pulsar]

And those can also be put in the suggestion and feedback channel...?

[potent sonnet]

Did an Acro rob your house my guy, why is it that big a deal

[calm musk]

Chill out man, it was just an idea- if it bothers you so much just leave it at telling them they need to put in in a different channel

[spiral ravine]

you can argue with me make as many suggestions as you want but it's pointless

i did

[dapper pulsar]

Suggestions need a different channel.

[potent sonnet]

Sounds good to me

[calm musk]

Yes, and that's fine, but you have to expect people to argue when you get passive/aggressive (Though that's all interepretation of the texts)

[dapper pulsar]

Anyway I feel like a lot of the Apex abilities will be centered around combat, since they don't need survival gimmicks.

[potent sonnet]

I generally hope the apexes feel different

Like Giga is some sort of ambushing jungle tiger while Rex is the super sniffing pursuit bear

And Spino is... well.. I have no clue

[dapper pulsar]

Spino could be an aApex who focuses on avoiding other Apexs rather than direct competition, maybe focusing heavily on fishing while occasionally taking out the odd hadrosaur.

Wait

That's just Spino.

A weaker Apex who takes advantage of their water mobility to score kills on crossing players, occasionally ambush, and avoid the stronger things.

[wooden drift]

@carmine kernel
I haven’t really played Hypsi, but is the tail not the indicator for the jump?

[paper oriole]

Pretty much everything in that nesting suggestion would make me never want to nest ever

If you stay around your offspring too long you get a stress debuff. If you get too far away from your offspring you get a stress debuff. If your offspring dies you get a stress debuff.

[icy lion]

the height of the tail is the charge indicator, yes

[carmine kernel]

Ah, it's a little hard to notice for me, then. It doesn't seem very consistent.

[dapper pulsar]

Stress could be replaced by anything, and could be anything. I'm using it to fill in blanks in areas where I don't want to figure out balance. Maybe your baby staying with you too long could weaken them, so they're incentivized to leave instead of you scaring them off.

For not knowing their location for a while, the game could start playing ambient noises for only you that are designed to sound vaguely enough like your child getting mauled to get our monkey brains actually stressed.

Your offspring dying could just make your animal have a slightly altered versions of different animations showing off it's grieving state.

These debuffs would lessen the more it happens, and for every successful baby raised. So if you're a shit parent, or a really good one, the death of a baby would eventually stop affecting you.

Some creatures, maybe Anky to balance out how powerful it'll be as an adult, won't get much any supervision at all, maybe spawning as a newborn in some random nest, either player, AI, or just an initial spawn nest for Ankys.

Sorry about the delivery of these, it wasn't meant to sound rude or condescending.

I imagine a few animals wouldn't be affected by any of these, except maybe seeing it's offspring die, able to nurture another one up until it's an adult, or let it go as a hatchling without a care in the world.

Seasonal breeding is just a bad idea, it came from me thinking about seasons and other world events that might be neat, but having a desired location for some animals could be neat.

The toleration idea was from a different idea I was working on about playable Deinocheirus, but it was basically just my ideal Theri but semi-aquatic.

Not exactly Theri, but most of it was too close.

[worn pumice]

I just realized trike would be the ultimate drinker cuz it’s literally all about the head on the trike. It’s the only Dino who wouldn’t have to worry to take a drink since it’s whole game plan is it’s head

[brittle ivy]

@blazing charm I actually don't get that perspective at all from the ceratosaurus concept art. To me it appears to be an extremely opportunistic hunter and scavenger, wandering into all sorts of different biomes in search of prey and carcasses. I think that's what the concept art is trying to convey, not indicating that it prefers any one biome.

[paper oriole]

Maybe styraco too since biting him at a bad angle would also get you spiked

[worn pumice]

Yo any ceratopsian that’s a good weight has an easier time with deino

Like an Ava isn’t gonna have fun

But a trike probably would

[blazing charm]

That's fair, the way you put makes the idea sound alot better than how I interpreted the concept. The opperunistic hunter thing would definitely explain hunting crocs, since that was also depicted with Utahraptors in a prevous piece, what's worrying to me is the water escape and wallowing. Those don't really give me the impression of an oppertunistic hunter, those give me the impression of a creature that is actively hanging around bodies of water either for food, or as an escape route.

It probably doesn't help that i'm biased for something like Baryonyx doing stuff like hunting small crocs, but the amount of stuff Cerato would have at its disposal genuinely just seems like over tuning.

[jovial otter]

@blazing charm wallowing covers scent and heals wounds so essentially anything should be doing that in the game

[dapper pulsar]

I feel like Cerato is just a really spread out generalist.

[candid wraith]

Animal Swims Fast, Aquatic Animal Theory.

[potent sonnet]

Wait how does a sketch of it swimming make it water focused

[candid wraith]

It just is.

[real bison]

hows everyone feel about carnos shake ability if pounced? seems like its a bit slow to really be effective imo.

[dapper pulsar]

Cerato deserves the world.

[strong cipher]

absolutely

[candid wraith]

Sucho is Bary but better anyways, and Spino can do the job better being able to traverse land and sea easily i'd assume.

[barren zephyr]

I will say I really like the ceratosaurus being a good swimmer as it's something the real animal was possibly decent at. Though I wouldn't call it semiaquatic just an adaptable generalist

[white spruce]

I don't think it means cerato will be semi-aquatic, it might instead just be that cerato is going all-terrain now. He can travel through water and over land decently, he just overall doesn't care.

[candid wraith]

Which isn't a problem or infringing on anything bary related, IMO

[dapper pulsar]

Cerato is the mustelid of dinosaurs.

[jaunty plover]

Making nesting too complex with all these little details is how u get people uninterested in nesting in the first place @dapper pulsar

[dapper pulsar]

Eh, maybe.

[brave rampart]

@strong cipher I suggest reading up more on Komodo Dragons if you're interested in constructing a massive in depth analysis and idea for Ceratos bite.
There needs to be a way to balance it out.

[strong cipher]

I have some non komodo dragon ideas, but i will do some in depth google warrior searching tonight and may repost a more in depth version tomorrow

[dapper pulsar]

They have to eat a majority completely rancid meat for it to occur, and I can't think of anything that would prevent them from doing that.

[brave rampart]

I can recommend some sites and videos if need be

[strong cipher]

i should be okay, but if need be you dont mind me pinging you here do you?

[brave rampart]

I'm up all for it. I don't get mad over pings haha.

[strong cipher]

great, it looks like komodo dragons had true venom though which kinda goes against my idea but i can make it work

[brave rampart]

And if you need medical advisory or ideas, I'm the medical nerd geek here.

I know a lot and too much of medical terminology and anatomy haha

Looking forward to your ideas though

[strong cipher]

great! ill be sure to consult you for any medical science needs lol

[brave rampart]

Will do

Last thing

@strong cipher

I have an accurate skeleton for cerato for anatomy purposes

Atleast the most accurate so far

I'm geeking out with this already

[strong cipher]

so i was thinking of the bites effects being based off of irl bacterial infections

[brave rampart]

It's fun helping out

I dont see why not.

Eat rotten gore, the mouth gets infected with a pathogen

[strong cipher]

i figured it wouldnt make sense to have it based off of neurotoxin or hemotoxin since that is produced by animals and not passively ingested

[brave rampart]

If you really want, you can geek out and explain what infection it is.

Ie E. Coli

Ah man I'm already needing out

Nerding

[strong cipher]

i was leaning to e. coli, or leaving it non-descript and having it be similar for balance purposes

[brave rampart]

Any of those toxins wouldn't make sense I agree

[strong cipher]

and who knows what type of bacteria genetically engineered dinos have

[brave rampart]

I mean you could make up your own disease

[jaunty plover]

herpacyphilaids??

[strong cipher]

i COULD but i think i make make an amalgamation of other bacterial diseases, within reason of course

just popping off with these ideas damn, im gonna have to make a google doc to gather my thoughts lol

[brave rampart]

That's good

Komodo/Jaguar Niche is nice

[strong cipher]

in filipes stream hypno said hed keep the idea in the back of his mind a while ago too which is always nice

an uncommon symptom of e coli is vomiting which could act as a way of tracking the bitten animal somewhat, every once in a while it has to throw up (while not having the vomit debuff which might not make sense in the grand scheme of things but maybe i can find a way to explain that off)

pale skin and dehydration are very plausible though

[brave rampart]

Cerato infects dinos with rabies

[strong cipher]

op brain destruction lol

[brave rampart]

E coli is a plausible option

But how long would the sickness last?

[strong cipher]

vomiting would have to be in very extreme cases though

it should scale based on how much and how rotten the ceratos last meal was, and fade away over time

at least thats how i think of it

[brave rampart]

Not bad

[strong cipher]

and maybe drinking water would wash the bacteria out?

of ceras mouth*

[brave rampart]

Maybe

And eating salt licks (if that's what they're called) could help dinos fight off the disease

[strong cipher]

Thats a great idea!

and actually makes sense

game mechanic wise i mean

[brave rampart]

E coli enters the intestines or stomach so ingesting a salt lick could help fight it off

[dapper pulsar]

Tribals could also cure diseases with the right resources.

thus ends my contributions.

[strong cipher]

tetanus gives infected animals/humans a high blood pressure and heart rate, should stam regen be decreased while stam drain while running increases? or is that too much

and on top of that, should infection be relatively quick or be like a slow burn, worsening over time

[brave rampart]

Remember, some e coli pathogens cause bleeding

And confusion

And fever

And in severe cases, adult kidney failure

[strong cipher]

maybe have some motion blur effects?

[barren zephyr]

Probably a slow burn, any high mid tier is able to make a Cera easy pickings. But not without consequences.

[strong cipher]

That's good too

kinda like magy tasting bad, but a cerato fight might make you weak to atttacks from others long after its demise

[brave rampart]

Maybe the screen gets wobbly, although slow at first, it gets faster and more EGH over time. And the infection doesn't kill you, but it causes a negative effect that can disrupt your lifestyle

Temporarily

And once the wobblyness hits its peak, you slowly get LESS wobbly until it goes away, signifying you fought off the disease

[strong cipher]

definitely non lethal, but very negative consequences

[brave rampart]

But it could take time until it is cured

[barren zephyr]

It could change how players see Cerato too, instead of it being a "weaker Allo" or "only a scavenger". It'd discourage players from killing it for fun. A dino that's underpowered, but to be avoided nonetheless.

[brave rampart]

And to make it so people aren't annoyed, you get more wobbly when you run instead of walking, and less wobbly when you sit

Cause god I would want a break from all the wobblyness tbh

[strong cipher]

thats also good, and makes sense

so this is my idea so far:

non lethal
cured by salt licks
intensity scales with how rotten and recent ceratos last meal was
pale skin
stamina related debuffs
motion blur while running, cools off while sitting
vomiting in extreme cases
infection is a slow burn

[brave rampart]

Nice

I like jt

It

A lot

Its educational and accurate to the actual e coli

[strong cipher]

theres some tetanus in there too, but uuhhhh, its dino bacteria

[brave rampart]

Haha

Looking forward to how its explained

[strong cipher]

im thinking of making it almost look like lore ex: 'recent observations of ceratosaurus specimens have revealed that their unique ecological niche allows them to take advantage of [REDACTED] strains of bacteria" etc. etc.

[barren zephyr]

You should put it down in the main feedback channel. It's a good idea, though try to put it together concise and solid

[strong cipher]

OH and i forgot to add that drinking water should reset ceratos bacteria count in the mouth

mayybe i should type out a rough version and we can do some collab in this channel to refine it some if anyone is up for it

[brave rampart]

I dont mind

I've got a lot of information stored up in this big cranium

[strong cipher]

great, ill whip somethng up quick and we can do some detail work on it

[toxic mantle]

@worn pumice @dapper pulsar Not to be that guy but only in this area we are allowed to have convos, not in that section of Feedback. Thanks

[dapper pulsar]

Just give Teno a stun gun on it's tail. It's in a pretty good place

I was gonna move it.

We cool.

[worn pumice]

oh yea forgot lmao

[dapper pulsar]

Also it's basically just general.

In terms of like

delay.

[worn pumice]

welp if were here then lets give anky the speed of utah

[dapper pulsar]

wait shit

that was outdated

I get that we're joking here, but that just makes sense.

[worn pumice]

seeing anky run at 40 km/h would be great

[severe idol]

@wide robin @worn pumice @dapper pulsar
Do not use #general-feedback for discussion purposes, that's what this channel is for. Comments, critiques, or discourse does not belong there.

[dapper pulsar]

Alright.

[worn pumice]

@vestal plank resting doesnt heal bleed anymore u need to wallow in mud

[wide robin]

got it

[strong cipher]

@brave rampart Improved Toxic Ceratosaurus Bite idea:
Recent observations of Ceratosaurus specimens has revealed that their unique ecological niche allows them to take advantage of [REDACTED] strains of bacteria. While other dinosaurs stay away from putrid carcasses, the Ceratosaurus seeks them out as a primary food source, this equips its bite with a toxin as nasty as its reputation. Symptoms in infected animals include pale skin, blurred vision while running (note: vision is stabilized somewhat while sitting down), increased blood pressure and heart rate having adverse effects on stamina, and in very extreme and advanced cases, vomiting. [REDACTED] bacteria in Ceratosaurus specimen’s mouth has a slow build up in the infected’s body. It should also be documented that said bacteria decays in the mouth over time and has much less severe effects the more time a Ceratosaurus has gone while not eating rotten meat. It is also important to note that drinking water seems to drastically reduce the amount of bacteria residing in a specimen’s mouth. Salt licks have been observed helping stave off the infection.

Extra side note: I can already hear the concerns about megalania being in the game and it doing the exact same thing, but while I was researching for this I learned that modern Komodo Dragons have true venom and don’t actually build up bacteria in their mouth like I previously thought

[brave rampart]

That's amazing!

[strong cipher]

alright this is my very rough idea, feel free to make alterations as you see fit

[brave rampart]

Reading halfway through is mmmm

I like it

Its unique

[strong cipher]

cool! well should i suggest it now or wait for when itll be seen by more eyes?

[brave rampart]

I have one additional idea

Improved Toxic Ceratosaurus Bite idea:
Recent observations of Ceratosaurus specimens has revealed that their unique ecological niche allows them to take advantage of [REDACTED] strains of bacteria. While other dinosaurs stay away from putrid carcasses, the Ceratosaurus seeks them out as a primary food source, this equips its bite with a toxin as nasty as its reputation. Symptoms in infected animals include pale skin, blurred vision while running (note: vision is stabilized somewhat while sitting down), increased blood pressure and heart rate having adverse effects on stamina, and in very extreme and advanced cases, vomiting. [REDACTED] bacteria in Ceratosaurus specimen’s mouth has a slow build up in the infected’s body. It should also be documented that said bacteria decays in the mouth over time and has much less severe effects the more time a Ceratosaurus has gone while not eating rotten meat. It is also important to note that drinking water seems to drastically reduce the amount of bacteria residing in a specimen’s mouth. Salt licks have been observed helping stave off the infection. Lastly, recent documents have concluded the idea that Ceratosaurus seems to sway from packhunting, indicating aggression and competition with one another. Severe cases, cannibalism.

side note: I can already hear the concerns about megalania being in the game and it doing the exact same thing, but while I was researching for this I learned that modern Komodo Dragons have true venom and don’t actually build up bacteria in their mouth like I previously thought

[strong cipher]

Oh that is great! i didnt even think to add that

[brave rampart]

I thought it would be a bit better since Cerato is confirmed to be able to cannibalize

[strong cipher]

yeah that is awesome

i like how blunt that last sentence is

well ill go ahead and suggest that super quick and i guess we will see what everyone thinks

[brave rampart]

I agree hahah

Gj man

[strong cipher]

You too! that was awesome

[dapper pulsar]

To suggest something really late into the process: Magy could have an immunity to this, or it's poisons could cause a boom in the bacteria, since they're somewhat counter parts.

[strong cipher]

that's definitely plausible

and makes sense

[dapper pulsar]

I don't know if the Dev team would like their mirroring to go that far though.

[strong cipher]

eh, maybe they can have a few animals with toxin resistance

[dapper pulsar]

That works for me!

[wary sparrow]

I like the cerato bite idea a lot but I don‘t think it is necessary

Cerato is already going to be a good fighter a decent swimmer and being able to eat any kind of meat

A sometimes „venomous“ bite would just make it overpowered compared to the rest of the dinos in evrima when it gets added

[brave rampart]

Not neccesarily

We haven't even discussed the duration and such

That's all left to until we have an idea

I'm looking into balancing for the idea too

[wary sparrow]

Well the idea is really good but there will be other dinos that will eat rotten flesh and I think rugops would benefit a lot more from the bite than cerato

[brave rampart]

True

Rugops could also benefit

[wary sparrow]

And tbh cerato is supposed to be a brawler that deals a lot of damage for it‘s size so „venom“ isn‘t really something it would really have to rely on while hunting

Rugops would suit the bite a lot better imo but the basic idea is good and could be applied to other dinos I just don‘t see cerato benefiting a lot from it

[dapper pulsar]

I was thinking Cerato would be decent in almost every situation since it's a generalist. It'll only really excel where all generalists do: during universal hardships. I think the venom could tip it over the edge if done incorrectly, but currently it just seems like another thing to help Cerato hang on the edge of oblivion, which I'm all for.

[brave rampart]

Well its technically over the fact Cerato is gonna eat rotten flesh. So developing bacterial infections from the meat, and also having Cerato be immune but also a carrier to the bacteria could help it in a natural advantage

[wary sparrow]

I really think cerato will be pretty good when it will release but if it doesn‘t work without the venom bite it could still be added to cerato in update 6

[severe idol]

@mellow sphinx
No. Boosting the server will never provide tangible benefit over a regular user.

Too much of a slippery slope.

[brave rampart]

It's not a venom tho

Its a bacterial infection

Referencing E. Coli aswell

[wary sparrow]

Yea I know I just refer to it as a „venom“

[brave rampart]

Hm

[wary sparrow]

It‘s easier to call it venom while writing

[strong cipher]

i really should be sleeping but im invested in this so ill talk balance for a bit, i see this as being a less instant version of venom, if you make it all the way to a salt lick then it is almost no harm done, and it is more defense than offense. by the time the effects kick in whatever the cerato was trying to hunt is long gone, potential predators on the other hand have a reason to think twice, long after their fight, the cerato can haunt them in death. and keep in mind my idea has intensity and duration scale with how rotten and how recent ceratos meal was

[brave rampart]

Rugops could have a different kind of Infectious bite

Maybe something that effects the stamina and bite force?

And it's an endurance based predator?

It could also thrash, but I haven't seen the anatomy yet

[wary sparrow]

I really like the concept but I really don’t see the ability working for a brawler/generalist players shouldn’t want to mess with cerato Bc it has a very strong bite for it‘s size and can take a lot of hits

I think a smaller weaker Dino like rugops would benefit 10 times more from the bacteria bite than cerato would

[strong cipher]

well cerato is kinda meant to be a lone wolf, taking a bunch of hits means nothing if you have to fight a big pack of animals, so giving them incentive to piss off would be nice

thats just how i see it though

[dapper pulsar]

What if after a while of the infection it started to produce a long distance, unique smell, allowing Cerato, but mostly other dinos to track it? It could also make the dino rot faster post mortem. Maybe, Cerato could have the weakest form of this, then it'd go Mono, and Megalania with some possible additions in between. Not the smell thing, just in general.

[strong cipher]

i think the other venoms for dilo and troo will have tracking effects so idk about that

[dapper pulsar]

If they do then I'm fine excluding it from Cerato.

[wary sparrow]

Well I always saw cerato as a underdog that people underestimate but get awakened for a rude awakening when they try to fight one as it is just an absolute rank for it‘s size and I personally never saw cerato as a pure loner. It works better than Utah or carno alone but cerato is much more successful in groups

[dapper pulsar]

I'm on the loner side, maybe they have a form of loose packing to kill big things, but the meal afterwards might be tense, and if they recruited too many ceratos some might still need to feed after the corpse is nothing but a red stain on the grass.

[wary sparrow]

Yea it works well on it‘s own but if players want to form a small group to hunt larger stuff they work well too

[strong cipher]

well i think the cera has been noted as being a very cannibalistic dino in game so i think the loner thing is very plausible, but who knows if there is a way to enforce it other than server rules or hard pack limits

[wary sparrow]

I wouldn’t group up with strangers as cerato but only with friends Bc cerato in groups when there is no risk of one turning at the rest is really fun

But I would see any other cerato as a threat if I meet one

[strong cipher]

i dont group with randoms in general. they really do just lure you in and eat you

[dapper pulsar]

Kill the other ceratos, take their precious, precious bacteria.

[strong cipher]

^^^^^

[wary sparrow]

I wouldn’t be a very cannibalistic cerato unless I need food

[strong cipher]

maybe their could be a slight incentive for cannibalism, like bacteria decay being lessened for a time

[dapper pulsar]

I would.

[strong cipher]

mirror youre a genius

[dapper pulsar]

If it's smaller than me and near a kill, then I have more food.

It consumes the meat of the dead cerato before your own.

[wary sparrow]

I‘d focus more on juvie Deinos magy Young stegos dryos and tenontos

[strong cipher]

i feel like ceratos arent going to actively try to kill things though, especially if a fresh corpse has no benefit to its bite

[wary sparrow]

I’d just stalk popular rivers and surprise anything that wanted to cross the river

[strong cipher]

well im about to pass out, thanks for the feedback everyone

[dapper pulsar]

Speaking of Magy, what if it was just Cerato but a herbivore? Night!

[wary sparrow]

I am just referring to what Is confirmed for cerato

Good night

[mellow sphinx]

Can't regular users send images anyway? I see people sending images all the time

[severe idol]

Embedded links aren't attached files. There's no function that limits a Booster from doing it.

[mellow sphinx]

Ah

[severe idol]

Users may embed links (like from image hosting sites or similar things), but not upload their own images.

Much more viable for regulation among 62,000+ people.

[mellow sphinx]

Ah right, I get you.

Alrighty, all good then

[barren zephyr]

Ok why do people hate primates

Bruh

[severe idol]

That sounds better suited for #401470471750811669 as there are not similar creatures available at this time.

Saw your message, my mistake. Long story short, it's a well hated meme within the community to request them. I don't know that it flows with the current form of the game.

[dapper pulsar]

Dude why do you think people are playing this game instead of going outside-

Better question, why would people prefer Bary?

[ebon crypt]

Probably the same reason as to why people would prefer ichty

[dapper pulsar]

I don't think Bary has a cool sail.

😎

[ebon crypt]

Yeah, but barry is technically more popular, thus more marketable and more beloved. It's also already in the game, so. Ichty could still be a bary skin though

[dapper pulsar]

You know, I'd be willing to settle for a skin with this one.

Nothing else, but this one.

[ebon crypt]

I think that barry and ichty are at a similar size, right? So it could work as a decent skin unless they butcher barry's proportions like some of the redesigns

[dapper pulsar]

Icthy's a bit smaller but not enough to really change anything.

If they scaled it up so they could put it on top of Bary I don't think anyone would care.

Ok, assuming people have good tastes in their Baryonyx, I still can't see how this is a better option in the slightest.

[ebon crypt]

barry is technically more popular, thus more marketable and more beloved. It's also already in the game

[dapper pulsar]

Amargasaurus and Nigersaurus.

I can't fight the last bit.

[ebon crypt]

That thing was chosen by the devs themselves. As to why, no one knows

They claim that the other options are too big iirc

[dapper pulsar]

Well I am going to climb mount Olympus and use a wish to make Icthy a skin or completely replace Bary.

[ebon crypt]

Good luck with that.

[dapper pulsar]

Also, I didn't know they actually gave a reason that they didn't choose something else.

That kinda sucks.

[ebon crypt]

Magy is a bit of an odd mystery for sure, but the devs have spoken

[dapper pulsar]

You think it'll ever go?

[violet magnet]

it's a mystery alright

so which is it

can magy handle a cerato or nah

[ebon crypt]

Wdym by it'll go? As in replace magy?

[dapper pulsar]

No, when it'll go.

Stop.

Cease.

Will the servers shut down before Magy is gone?

[ebon crypt]

I don't think I'm understanding

[dapper pulsar]

Ok, I'll turn it down a bit. Do you ever think Magy'll get a skin, or get totally replaced?

[ebon crypt]

Ah, that's what you meant. I don't think that magy is going anywhere really, the devs seem dead set on adding it to the game. As for skins, I'm not sure. That's a solid maybe

[dapper pulsar]

Magy does seem to be on it's own level.

[urban flax]

I think Magy will be like a boar, not really big nor fast but something you don't want to mess around with. Like super strong for its size.

In fact, the first time devs showed Magy concept-art, I was like "oh cool, a boar-niche dinosaur"

[dapper pulsar]

I was just thinking herbivorous Cerato. That's basically just a hog now that I think about it.

How do these images make you feel? They're related to a future suggestion.

[urban flax]

Yep. And I don't think it will need any form of poisonous skin to be viable. Just let the devs do their thing 🙂

Giant ducks

Are these deinocheiri ?

[dapper pulsar]

Ok, but how do you feel? Also I think poison's still gonna be a big part of it. I was thinking it'll put up too much of a fight for not enough reward.

Gigantoraptor and Deinocheirus.

In like

the opposite order.

[urban flax]

I don't think these two are needed in the Isle. And I personally don't like'em ^^'. Gigantoraptor is like a giant ostrich, and Deinocheirus a bigger therizinosaurus with a hunched back.

They're not really physically appealing, and that matters a lot.

[dapper pulsar]

I'll try and find better images for them, then.

[wide robin]

Bary needs some love

[dapper pulsar]

Ok, I hear you, but does it?

I mean yeah Fallen Kingdom was kinda a huge blow, but it's Icthy.

[ebon crypt]

Bary never really got justice in legacy, replacing it completely would just be doing it more injustice

[dapper pulsar]

If it's in Prehistoric Kingdom it has no right to complain.

Wanna know who's not in Prehistoric Kingdom?

Me.

That's why I complain so much.

[ebon crypt]

And what does PK have to do with the Isle?

[dapper pulsar]

I could've said Icthy there and it would've worked better.

Not much, but it's a big enough win for Bary so we can toss it on the curb where it belongs.

You know what, I'm gonna say it: I would prefer Irritator.

[ebon crypt]

And this sausage is better because..?

[wide robin]

bary is 10x better lmao.

[dapper pulsar]

We were neglected a good sausage.

Wait

That

no.

We need an interesting looking Spinosaur.

Icthy is slightly more interesting than Bary.

Irritator is desperation.

[urban flax]

Now that we're talking about it, I have an unfinished spinosaur drawing that I wanted to show for a suggestion

Lemme find it

[ebon crypt]

I mean, ichty looking more interesting than barry is your opinion, which some people might disagree with. And barry can still be made more interesting

[urban flax]

Behold... Feathered spino!

[dapper pulsar]

Yes.

[urban flax]

I tried to remain accurate as well as giving it some flavour

[dapper pulsar]

Yeah but, you know, that's probably not gonna happen if they do Bary. If it does happen at all, I'll be happy, but history dictates that Bary's too big.

[ebon crypt]

Too big for what?

[dapper pulsar]

They don't tend to make sizeable animals heavily fictionalized and liked by a majority of the community.

[ebon crypt]

The community already likes bary how it is, bary shouldn't be heavily fictionalized in the first place.

However nothing's stopping them from giving bary a more rigid look with speculative soft tissue

[dapper pulsar]

That might help it. I guess we'll see if I still want Icthy in a few months.

How many Ceratos would it take to kill a stego in game?

Well, how many do you think?

[ebon crypt]

A lot, seeing as cera is quite small

And a single thagomizer git could be lethal

[dapper pulsar]

Eh, I doubt it.

I'd say like 4.

Also I just checked the scale again and uh....

[ebon crypt]

Smoll

[dapper pulsar]

I know they're small

I just

compared Magy to Carno.

[ebon crypt]

Smoll boi

[dapper pulsar]

I was in pretty hard denial about Magy being absolutely destroyed despite my jokes, but looking at it compared to Carno helped clear some things up.

Also ignore the Hatze, this is the only version of this image I have.

[barren zephyr]

Would adding primitive primates to the game be a good or bad idea

[real bison]

stego hitbox still seems to have the same issues as hitboxes in legacy. literally was standing atleast a adults body length away from the tail not moving and it hit me somehow. was probably the worst hitbox experience so far. havent had that in EV before

[urban flax]

Why would we need primitive monkeys in the game ?

[dapper pulsar]

Good.

[paper oriole]

Monkeys are cool but they dont fit the vibe of the isle

Just add more arboreal dinos instead

[barren zephyr]

I'm talking about lemur-like animals like Darwinius

There aren't any mammals on TI so far

[meager tiger]

The Isle: Cenozoic Edition

[barren zephyr]

Not Cenozoic edition

Just what's wrong with adding a couple of small ancient mammals

[meager tiger]

i dunno

i kinda like this idea

[barren zephyr]

Darwinius didn't live alongside the dinosaurs (it lived 47 MYA), but it's a mere 20 or so million years after the extinction of the dinosaurs.

[meager tiger]

lil herras need something to eat

small primates would be cool

[barren zephyr]

Yes

And it fills in the ecosystem more as well

So win-win

[wide robin]

god what? its a dino game with accuracy and yall want mammals????? wtf wrong wit you

[ebon crypt]

Accuracy?

Accuracy and Isle don't really go together

[native vault]

thats so good

[native vault]

deinocheirus would be a great addition to the game. an apex omnivore is what we need

[barren zephyr]

It's not totally accurate at all

It's a game about a bunch of 21st century islands with genetically engineered dinosaurs and other prehistoric animals.

[ebon crypt]

Again, not a dino sim, but a survival horror

[barren zephyr]

Yes.

[ebon crypt]

A lot of people seem to forget that

[lilac swallow]

Mfw Rex is closer to us in time than to stego

[barren zephyr]

Yes

[lilac swallow]

Remember those old movies where cavemen and rexes were together?
Its more accurate than stego fighting rex

[modest anchor]

primates no... please no... simple early mammals ok... but we can do without really insisting on mammals. it be best to do some gliding tree lizards or ghecko iguana types you an pick off trees etc.

[lilac swallow]

Also yeah, fuck mammals in a Dino game

Doesn't fit thematically

At least mega and deino are reptiles

[modest anchor]

simple early mammals.. maybe but they would be a huge stretch as well

[barren zephyr]

Mammals lived alongside dinosaurs, remember that

[modest anchor]

i dont mind that they blend in the different dino eras.. but mammals should be thought of well in advance

[lilac swallow]

I know

[modest anchor]

they did but no primates 😉

[lilac swallow]

They still don't fit thematically

[barren zephyr]

Ok.

[modest anchor]

a lil mouse type mammal sure. give the baby utahs nice ai to chase down.

[wary sparrow]

Different kind of frogs would work some for swamps some for rivers and some tree dwelling frogs for small Herras

[modest anchor]

but mentioning advance mammals like primates A isn't accurate and B the Devs wont consider it... there is no need.

[barren zephyr]

So you're fine with adding a Pleistocene monitor lizard, and an Eocene-age mammal from a mere 20 million years after the extinction of the non-avian dinosaurs is a no-no

[modest anchor]

either way its so cool to be able to go somewhere and butt heads about what should be added... this is a unique and special opportunity

[barren zephyr]

Well it's still small and likely to be overshadowed by the dinosaurs in TI

[modest anchor]

no... dont add a monitor lizard per say... add its ancestor 😉

if i say a flying lizard i dont mean today's current species... but there were flying lizards that lived 300 million years ago.

[barren zephyr]

Megalania (or rather, Varanus priscus) was just a big cousin to the Komodo Dragon (which it did actually live alongside)

[modest anchor]

THOSE could be added just like an iguanaas ancestor could be. giving iguana as example to show the type of similiar animal that would work well

[barren zephyr]

Primates are still better

Because monkey.

Look, there aren't any mammals in TI save for humans, what's wrong with adding a lemur thingy to spice things up

[modest anchor]

here is an example... IGuana... dont use iguana but you may consider... Antarctanax shackletoni, an archosaur its literal ancestor at 250 million ago

[barren zephyr]

What

[modest anchor]

https://i1.wp.com/greatlakesledger.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/ancient-iguana-ancestor.jpg?w=876&ssl=1

someone mentioned frogs... so we could look back and find perhaps... Ichthyostega, prehistoric predecessor to the modern frog, lived 370 million years ago during the Devonian Period as an option.

https://www.exploratorium.edu/frogs/mainstory/images/ichthyostega_lrg.jpg

[barren zephyr]

Adding a stem tetrapod.

Sounds far fetched to me

Dude ichthyostega is a shitty choice

It's joins aren't the best for walking, so it can only flop around like a seal

And it's stiff back didn't allow it to swim quickly for long.

[modest anchor]

sounds like good ramdom AI to me. ESpecially for suchos because in the water its something else. 😉 remember we got fishes now too

[barren zephyr]

No, because it can get annihilated by animals on land and water

[modest anchor]

its physically not designed to swim long but it is physically designed to be a vicious predator

[barren zephyr]

my point is, it is a sh*tty land animal.

[modest anchor]

its not a land animal.. its amphibian.. needs to be in the banks of rivers or ponds etc ... no in a field.

[barren zephyr]

and aquatic animal as well

[modest anchor]

it was amazing enough to spawn off hundreds of species of frogs lol. reality suggests otherwise

in my experience the shitty animals didnt evolve. 😉 frogs made it.

[barren zephyr]

yes, but it didn't have predators on land

it only had them in the water

[modest anchor]

if its amphibious.. means that land creatures were also eating it. sorry friend. perhaps it was more suceptible to getting eaten in the water or perhaps catching it on land was easier... no one knows for sure nor can speak to it.

but compared to the frog mentioned it be a more suitable option than a "frog"

[barren zephyr]

No

it was one of THE FIRST land vertebrates

@modest anchor

Nothing bigger had come onto land before them.

[versed zodiac]

Kingjaffad cera was speculated to hunt small crocodilians and if I'm correct I've heard thing saying it was a decent swimmer. personally i like cera like this. a strong swimming scavenger dinosaur.

[arctic nimbus]

when will people learn that komodo dragons are venomous and don't just purely have an infectious bite?

[tepid dune]

i think those cerato concepts are only to resemble the animal actual realistc niche since it was known that they lived near swamps feeding from crocs/turtles/ other aquatic critters.

i really doubt it's going to be better in a aquatic environment than sucho/bary, those could have the ability to dive, where cera doesn't.

[unreal ridge]

probably never

[strong cipher]

well i did correct myself about the komodo dragon thing in my more fleshed out post

[random imp]

the only non-dinosaurs animals that will be in-game are flyers, Deino, Megalania and Titanoboa. get the monkeys outta here.

god i hate monkeys and primates in general

and having in game stuff like that is redundant, we'll have humanoid creatures anyway

[dapper pulsar]

Also, 2/3rds of the factions will be dominated by monkey

[hollow mirage]

oops wrong person

[hollow mirage]

monke scary

[random imp]

we'll have humans and cannibals and the white freaks so yhea

lol

[dapper pulsar]

Have they settled on a name for _____________________?

[jovial otter]

Pretty sure we will have primates, aka humans

[hollow mirage]

yes, we dont need monkeys 😂
it would uhh be really weird since they'd probably be really small compared to all the other creatures

[hollow mirage]

talking about monke

[random imp]

hoomans are ok, since they'll be a big part of the game

but tiny monkeys, i mean...

[dapper pulsar]

God a Merc would be utterly destroyed by a Cerato.

[hollow mirage]

tiny monkeys will become instantly obliterated