Or I suppose it is, but it's meant to be that way
#general-feedback-discussion
white spruce
cobalt parcel
@cobalt parcel That isn't how anky armor works. The armor is not segmented, those segmentations are folds of skin. Ankylosaurus does not have a turtle shell on it's back, it's a series of bones in the skin called osteoderms.
@white spruce
i know that this isn’t how anky actually looked. They’re just highly fictionalizing it so that it’ll be “viable”. They had to give it a way to make sharp turns i guess.
vast wolf
odd vessel
skull is still only a few inchs wide, that severely limits prey intake, fish or time to comsume a carcass
vast wolf
skull is still only a few inchs wide, that severely limits prey intake, fish or time to comsume a carcass
use the claws to break the carcass open then eat it in pieces. how do you think spinosaurus ate a coelacanth that was the size of a small car?
odd vessel
so are you talking only aquatic animals or are we adding terrestrial carnivores?
cobalt parcel
before evrima even came out they talked about doing this with its design. because people were yelling and crying over how anky is unviable so this is their way of “fixing” it. i don’t really like it but they want to keep anky so they did this
vast wolf
so are you talking only aquatic animals or are we adding terrestrial carnivores?
what do you mean by this?
odd vessel
If it's trying to compete in a terrestrial environment, it immediately looses in food consumption with any carnivore that can fit massive chunks of food
vast wolf
before evrima even came out they talked about doing this with its design. because people were yelling and crying over how anky is unviable so this is their way of “fixing” it. i don’t really like it but they want to keep anky so they did this
anky was only ever unviable because it lost bonebreak to deal with the apexes and it lacked armor of any form.
If it's trying to compete in a terrestrial environment, it immediately looses in food consumption with any carnivore that can fit massive chunks of food
eating massive chunks of food doesnt matter in this game. nor does that matter if your able to take out your competition in a few hits.
odd vessel
fair with the game not considering it
though in competition with Rex, Acro, and Giga doesn't sound ideal
vast wolf
we have some fossil evidence that spinosaurids could eat large chunks of animals with baryonyx eating a small iguanodons leg.
silver zephyr
we were discussing the ecosystem through update 3-8
vast wolf
rex acro and giga dont exist.
silver zephyr
but yeah those would fuck it
odd vessel
ah
vast wolf
simply because they arent on the roadmap.
odd vessel
also that'd be the leg of a juvenile Iguanodon you're revering to
vast wolf
hence small
this with the ridge of spikes on ours back and a thicker neck would be pretty 
silver zephyr
ffs
white spruce
Disagree hard on terms of austro, really hoping they fix austro
vast wolf
austros proprtions are so bad.
dapper pulsar
I don't know how I feel about Anky, on one hand, all the elements work pretty well together, on the other hand, I dislike all of the elements.
vast wolf
tiny body needle thin snout and really skinny neck.
white spruce
Austro doesn't look like a dinosaur anymore
white spruce
or at least not a dromaeosaurid, it looks like a coelophysis
dapper pulsar
I like Austro, but it doesn't really fit The Isle's style.
white spruce
it's so thin, it just looks like a big fisher compy
silver zephyr
halszka
vast wolf
it looks like it had a neeldefish face slapped on a heron.
outer condor
halszka
white spruce
I think the head complaints all stem from the perspective
the head looks bigger because it is closer to the viewer
tropic dragon
I dont know where to ask for help but i cant open the isle on steam for some reason and my downloads are not showing?
vast wolf
pretty sure steam is having an issue.
try restarting steam and if that doesn't work then its probably steam having an issue.
barren zephyr
@nova anchor
still raptor
There might be something wrong with your OS system.
But check #🔧-legacy-troubleshooting-🔧 and #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 @tropic dragon
lethal silo
verify the integrity of the game files
barren zephyr
@brave rampart I’d add that there should be different rates of bleeding depending on whether your are running (extremely high), trotting (high), and walking (minimum).
This is a win win cause currently walking has no function whatsoever and it would be helpful to have a way of getting to mud without bleeding out first.
crude girder
I spent about 6 or so hours thinking over what I wanted to say on the doc
honestly only thing I am unhappy about is that the poison idea relies on poison being in the game, a feature introduced the updated after magy
barren zephyr
RIIIIIck!!!!!!!!!!!!!
night sleet
crazy dedication
brave rampart
Oh
Sorry
Yeah that's also a good idea
honest sparrow
@nova anchor where are those droidekas?
nova anchor
what
nova anchor
helo i am soup brain
dapper pulsar
Yes.
silver zephyr
no.
solar iron
Dilo was not bulky Btw, but a slender one
flat crypt
Deffo agree that there's a lack of unity in the styles of all the dinosaurs
ashen elm
Pretty much Rajing Dragon. I think your post really emphasizes and defines what animals are ok to fictionalize and which grate on fans.
Lesser known, small and for what amounts to clone animals are fine to fictionalize ie Beipi, Teno and Hypsi.
Iconic and known dinosaurs like Anky and Acro just have a really defined picture in our heads that when they deviate as hard as they have been... it just looks bad.
flat crypt
When you look at similar games, you can tell that every single creatures comes from the same game. They fit in alongside one another. But the style of the creatures in this game are a bit more experimental and as a result a little more jarring looking. Honestly, a lot of creatures just dont look like they come from the same game
and when you want really solid design, you want unity
ashen elm
The Isle had a fine art design during Legacy.
I have no idea why they are deciding to fictionalize so heavily now. The first few were fine but it's become apparent that anything new/reworked seems to be getting this treatment.
flat crypt
yeah legacy designs were really good actually imo. i mean some dinosaurs might not have looked as good, but they all looked like they belong together
I dont get that same feeling with evrima designs
plus its TOTALLY easier to excuse the poor look of a single animal if it still fits in with everything else as a whole
when they dont blend together, the bad designs just make it look even more mishmash
ashen elm
I feel like they really did want to go the entire new yards with the thinking "this is a new game" but if you port over or don't plan to make the same stylized changes from animals from the old game this creates a jar in design
flat crypt
oh and to build off of your latter point rajing, i think a GREAT direction for them to take would be to use skeletals to keep the anatomy and proportions of the animal more or less realistic, while putting their creativity into things like integument, crests, osteoderms. more superficial stuff
I think its why I hate the alberto design so much. It's proportions are so bizarre and unrealistic, yet a lot of the other dinosaurs do actually have fairly realistic anatomy! it just doesnt fit in at all
ebon crypt
The proportions of the new austro is what annoyed me the most. It clearly takes inspiration from a bird, probably a stork or similar bird in proportions. The main problem with austro's new long head is that it would have a very weak bite. Birds have a hard and sharp beak that they can stab, peck and beat others with, but austro? Nah, that's kinda what inspired me to write that essay. Very therapeutic, I must say
flat crypt
its looks very gracile which i enjoy but i get what you mean. it could do with something to make it look a little idk. harder?
violet magnet
The armor plating on anky makes no sense and looks like it would limit the anky's mobility, on top of looking like it would grate against itself and give the animal skin abrasions
Like...I get artistic license, but these are animals that are going to be in a videogame, not just concepts on paper. They ought to at least look functional
IMO it looks like Fred and Tapwing are taking their respective concepts in totally separate directions. Fred's look big, bulky, and monstrous, Tap's look gracile and more practical, more real to what an animal like that would be adapted for
sullen cave
I think they were going for the Javan rhino skin segmentations. It doesn't work that well on a scaly animal like this though
pliant ember
Art style clash has never been as apparent as it is today
Tap and Fred both have extremely different art styles and you can definitely tell who made what concept
The newest designs almost all look disproportionate compared to literally everything that came before them
Put the current T. Rex next to the new Acro and tell me that they look like something from the same game
They should have put each artist to work with what they are best at
Fred is great at making normal dinosaurs look stylized but still recognizable, while still keeping them well proportioned
And Tap is great at making Strains and environmental art as seen with the new Hypo Rex and the Hypo Carno
random imp
meh, if i have to be honest i think they should hire also a new concept artist, to make things fresh.
and make him work with the two they already have
dim umbra
Hey @random imp i like the chubbier edit you made. Looks much better
pliant ember
Another concept artist would probably just make things worse
dim umbra
Ohhh okay but that one is way better. Anky looks so anorexic and like it can't fend of apexes
random imp
i love rhinos, so the armor does not bother me much, it's just the new proportions that are really werid and bodyshape
pliant ember
Only issue I got with new Anky is how disproportionate the head is to everything else
Looks like the neck will break any second trying to hold the head up
random imp
the back has a strange curve
dim umbra
But that may be the angel. It looks like the head is way to big but i am waiting for a nother angel
ebon crypt
Head seems too big on most of the recent designs
random imp
yhea, too cartoony and like a caricature of the animal
pliant ember
They got those JW mobile game proportions
random imp
exaggerated heads, thickness, proportions, skinny bodies...
the real thing is, let's hope they'll listen to the feedbacks.
ebon crypt
Skinnyness and thickness doesn't bother be too much, personally, aslong as it doesn't effect the proportions of the animal. I actually like the idea of a chunky acro, just that its skeletal is a bit messed up
pliant ember
Making Acro more bulky isn't a problem
Only problem is how the head and body are proportioned
ebon crypt
Again, it mostly boils down to the skeletal
pliant ember
Gotta wait to see how the models turn out
Maybe they can fix that issue there
The way Anky and Giga turned out I wont hold my breath
ebon crypt
Hopefully, but the older concepts had no problem with weird proportions. It's weird
pliant ember
Seems like they're trying some new artistic direction and it is very obviously not working out
dim umbra
I just saw that the tail is also way to thin.
barren zephyr
I think the anky design is fine
The only worry I got is that they try to make his armor not be as effective
And be more mobile due to it
It doesn’t need mobility
It needs defense and hard hitting attacks
They should’ve based the anky design off of hard armor
Not leather like armor
flat crypt
tbh i think trying to make anky more mobile was a weird choice anyway. yes its a slow animal, and thats not everyone's cup of tea, but people would still play it so long as it was strong
the reason anky isnt very popular in survival servers that do injections isnt really due to their speed but because they're a walking snack for any apex that spots them
so long as they made it so that anky had great offense and defense it was fine. its a tank after all
dim umbra
It would only neet foot fracture and a run speed that exceeds the limping of the carnivores and maybe the ability to mask scent without to mud Bath. That would even save it from multibly apex attacks
frigid cosmos
me when upvote ur own feedback
cinder anchor
Well would be way easier to get rid of legacy hackers by shutting it down. But i can understand why ppl loves legacy. But im more interested in evrima than legacy tho.
valid zephyr
lots of people got the isle to play big scary dinos like rex.
removing legacy won't make them move to evrima
they will simply go to other games.
paper geyser
which is why they should stop touching legacy, after yesterday its clear that theyre unable to fix it without breaking it more
revert the changes if at all possible, then leave it
flat crypt
shutting down legacy is just going to make them lose players
cinder anchor
Thats Kinda why i suggested remove legacy @paper geyser
flat crypt
If people aren't playing evrima right now there's a reason for it, and removing legacy isn't going to make them all swap. People will move on and find a different game to play, and I imagine many wouldn't even come back
paper geyser
Thats Kinda why i suggested remove legacy
@cinder anchor removing legacy isnt the way to go about things, people will just move to other games that let them play as cool dinosaurs. Stop touching legacy, work on evrima. People will migrate over time
flat crypt
I'm not even sure if they'll ever be 100% removing legacy, so much as making evrima the main branch. But I don't think they'll do that on update 3
I think once nesting is in is when legacy will become redundant
cinder anchor
well yesterday i got so upset about it didnt work as it should
so i decided to suggest to shut it down
valid zephyr
i'm hearing a lot of bad things about the legacy 'fix'
flat crypt
having a bit of frustration because the game isnt quite working as intended is one of the least valid reasons ive heard for shutting down legacy
valid zephyr
people who can non longer play legacy won't be moving to evrima though. they will just move to BoB or PoT.
otherwise they would have already moved across.
paper geyser
a lot of people are simply waiting for evrima to get better
over time people are gonna move from legacy to evrima, but not if legacy gets shut down
ebon crypt
Alright, you can express an unpopular opinion, but there's no need to be a dick about it
glossy matrix
Damn that’s really quirky doe
frigid cosmos
he got the 🙂 AND the 😌
paper geyser
he got the whole insecurity emoji starter pack
paper geyser
"wont be replying"
I said what I said. Take it how you want.🙂😌
violet magnet
damn son that's edgy
dim umbra
Oh he deleted his messages😂
ebon crypt
Alright, let's not fight in here. Just respect each other's opinions and move on.
paper geyser
well you cant expect someone to come in, be a dick to everyone else then not get some replies to match
youre radiating insecurity, i'd work on that, maybe less emojis
ebon crypt
Spreading negativity will just create more negativity. There's no need to fight over such silly things. It's for the best.
paper geyser
fair enough, my bad
ebon crypt
The problem wasn't your opinion it was the way you expressed it. It's okay to not agree with others and feel strongly about your own beliefs, but please, try to word it differently next time. Maybe one that comes off less as "My opinion is right, your's wrong. Devs, only listen to me please." and more as "Okay, I know that I don't share the same opinion as a lot of people here, but I respect that and here's my view on the matter". Just a friendly tip to avoid situations like this in the future
cinder anchor
ebon crypt
You didn't outright say it, yeah, but you do like to tippy toe your way around just flat out saying it. And yes, end of discussion, this isn't even that relevant to feedback anymore
ebon crypt
Not you, no
valid zephyr
@lilac swallow there definitely seems to have been a complete art style change somewhere during evrima.
it's going to look really jarring with the semi real dinos next to these made up dinos.
dim umbra
Why are ppl saying "anky is unique now" when anky allready was one of the most ubique dinosaurs to walk the Earth...
paper geyser
^
even then, anky doesnt need to be unique because like someone said earlier, its a very recognisable animal
if your anky isnt being recognised as anky right away then theres probably something wrong
zinc anvil
They got rid of the dent in its back that people hated id say it looks good to me and it’s unique in itself
lilac swallow
It does look better than the concept art, but thats not hard
zinc anvil
Better then getting a full on copy of the concept art it’s self
lilac swallow
Unique=/=good, i can make a unique brachi desygn by shortenibg the neck and giving It a trump (i think thats how you say Elephant nose im english) and tusks, It is a unique brachi but its horrible
paper geyser
good example and yeah thats how you say it
zinc anvil
The feedback gets seen and things change on the from the art work to the model. They are doing just fine.
dim umbra
We are not saying we don't appreciat that they changed that. We are only expressing further Feedback in what we think also needs some inprovement
lilac swallow
At this point i think anky went rhino "to be fast" just to justify the shit storm that was "anky bad" because if being too slow was the real reason we wouldnt have get a realistic stego
dim umbra
As you can see there are a Lot of ppl voicing their concerns about the anky. Why wouldnt they only because the dent was fixed?
If rex sudenly had longer legs or hair like a mammal ppl would also voice their concerns
paper geyser
At this point i think anky went rhino "to be fast" just to justify the shit storm that was "anky bad" because if being too slow was the real reason we wouldnt have get a realistic stego
i agree, there's zero need for anky to be made faster
lilac swallow
@jovial sleet "I love X's btw. Drop them below rn bc I already know they waiting. point_down "
Wow, so mature, mocking people for having a different opinion
Unique=/=good, i can make a unique brachi desygn by shortenibg the neck and giving It a trump (i think thats how you say Elephant nose im english) and tusks, It is a unique brachi but its horrible
also Prince
flat crypt
I also agree the current anky design is very unique. From a creature concept standpoint I think it looks cool too. But it doesnt look like anky and doesnt fit in as well with existing designs
ebon crypt
And again, anky is already unique in game
flat crypt
exactly! its niche is very unique
lilac swallow
We have elders and strains that are supposed to be Monster, leave the Monster desygns to them
ebon crypt
When comparing to other animals. Minmi came after anky too
flat crypt
i think theres totally still room for the isle to have monstery looking, jurassic-park feeling designs that still mesh well together. if you keep the basic structure of the animals accurate but mess with other aspects i think it'll just lend itself to better design cohesiveness as a whole
lilac swallow
"Monster anky is good because is unique" says the same people that defends Monster spino(Who is just a sailed giga) over real Life spino (who is the most unique theropd)
ebon crypt
Wdym by ruffled? What, we can't express our opinions just like you?
paper geyser
my god another one
lilac swallow
We are here to have serious conversations, grow up a bit
flat crypt
nah its the same person kato, they changed their nickname
lilac swallow
I @ you because you clearly flamebaited, i dont even think you read my taged comment you just went "haha is salty he tagged me"
Also, anky likes are 1000+ but we dont know the dislikes because they dont.ñ even allow a negative reaction in that chat
ebon crypt
I mean, you cared enough to respond
dim umbra
Just ignore him and he will Go away.
ebon crypt
Also, you said more positivity is good. Good to see how much you improved
valid zephyr
fictionalising something doesn't automatically make it cool and unique and good.
irl anky is super unique already.
lilac swallow
fictionalising something doesn't automatically make it cool and unique and good.
irl anky is super unique already.
@valid zephyr this
Next time, when we get short necked Elephant brachi people Will still call It good
paper geyser
^
lilac swallow
It was fast, because maybe i was in the caht at the time you posted it
valid zephyr
Some of these new designs arn't even recognisable as the actual animal. They should go all the way and give them a fake name too like novaraptor.
ebon crypt
We'll be done when you learn how to respect other's opinions.
valid zephyr
making up a fantasy monster and giving it a real dino name doesn't make it a dino.
paper geyser
well said
frigid cosmos
why tf is this guy still here
valid zephyr
at this point i'm expecting the mercs to be using swords which are twice their height.
paper geyser
exactly, if you upsize this anky by 5 times it would fit perfectly in MH
valid zephyr
and be wearing skimpy armour
lilac swallow
This shit is from Monster Hunter and does look more like an austro than the actual isle austro
@jovial sleet if you dont care why are you still here? Is just funny seeing someone saying they dont care when they clearly care
valid zephyr
I was hoping new austro would fall in the 'cute' range with hypsi, dryo, and minmi.
instead it looks like it drinks your childrens blood during the night.
valid zephyr
not sure i agree there
random imp
lol Velocidrome
lilac swallow
Has a more accurate austro anatomy at the very least
flat crypt
whipped up a quick sketch as an example. This anky has fully realistic proportions, however there was still wiggle room for fictionalisation! i emphasised a lot of the spikes and even added extra smaller ones to emphasise the armour. and i think thats really the direction they should have taken with anky
random imp
Ukanlos Anky all the way plz
ebon crypt
Thing is, velocidrome is supposed to be a monster. Austro is not.
valid zephyr
actually from other angles it does
flat crypt
make it look like a genuine TANK. a heavy, armoured animal
paper geyser
wow youre talented
lilac swallow
Thing is, velocidrome is supposed to be a monster. Austro is not.
@ebon crypt this is the sad part
paper geyser
very nice sketch
valid zephyr
flat crypt
i directly used a skeletal as reference for the shape ahah but thanks, concept art do be what im after
flat crypt
the spikes along the tail i dont actually mind too much
valid zephyr
i don't like how the ankys tail and head don't match the body
frigid cosmos
die 🙂 👍 😋 🤪 😁 🤗 🙄
flat crypt
i think they contribute well to the armoured animal look
but the body is just. eugh
it looks like an armadillo lol
lilac swallow
They simply could just make a mammalian strain for herbis
random imp
yhea, anky looking head and tail, rhino/armadillo body
zinc anvil
Anky would have been a very weird looking animal so having it looking weird in game suits it
paper geyser
i strongly disagree
ebon crypt
Weird looking in what way though, just the design in general?
valid zephyr
if they made its tail and head more armadillo style, it would at least look consistant
random imp
yhea, like with plates along the tail
valid zephyr
anky reptile head and tail with mammel armadillo body looks like mix and match parts
random imp
i personally love the slow, unmovable and spectator herbi lifestyle
roam around the map without noting to worry about
zinc anvil
Weird as in irl it looked weird and I think it looks weird in game model so it matches
flat crypt
hmmm thinking on it, another think that doesnt help anky is the armadillo/rhino inspiration itself
lilac swallow
You can make a line that separates classic isle with actual dinosaurs and new isle with Monsters called after dinosaurs, and that line is spino
After spino everyone just started cosplaying as another animal, with the exception of dinos that already had unused old models
flat crypt
i think having a dinosaur be clearly inspired by a real world animal is a great idea, and i love it, but they need to match.
zinc anvil
Anky will be anky
ebon crypt
It looking weird irl is kinda debatable, but imo just because something is already kinda weird, it's not an excuse to make something even more weird
zinc anvil
It better keep its honk I swear to god
random imp
^
flat crypt
rhinos are big, slow, hefty animals. but they're big horn face. I think it would be more intuitive for a rhino-like look to go to something like trike
ebon crypt
Anky honk 
random imp
just play with the detail, having the bodyshape match the fossils
anky does not need to become an armored Ferrari
flat crypt
i think armadillo inspiration would have been really cute for minmi though
lilac swallow
Seriously, minmi is fairly accurate despite being magy 2.0 Who needs heavy fictionalization to work, but the only ankylosaurian that was viable by istelf got fictionalized
flat crypt
if minmi had the sort of weird body plating that the anky model has i think it'd make more sense
zinc anvil
But it’s seems people are 50/50 with how the model looks
ebon crypt
The model is good and bad. Some aspects as great and can work, but others are.. eh.
random imp
exacxtly
flat crypt
the model is closer to looking nice than the concept art was at least
zinc anvil
They can’t please everyone no matter how hard they try or what they do to it. Just need to wait until it comes out an see what what they make out of it
flat crypt
no hate to the artists in this project, LOOOOVE their art. but the anky concept was a miss for me
lilac swallow
They have elders and strains, all their crazy ideas can go there
And people would even like It if this anky was a mammalian strain
ebon crypt
Honestly, I think keeping the overall design somewhat accurate and then making it more monstrous as an elder is the best solution to please the most amount of people. That way both monster and irl anky can exist as a single asset in a way
lilac swallow
It would also give herbis a much needed strain
Notice how no one is angry at hypsi
Because
- despite the heavy fictionalization, the anatomy remains accurate
- No one cares about real Life hypsi, no one has a preconcieved idea of how an hypsi should look
ebon crypt
Exactly, that's kinda what I mentioned in my essay of a feedback. Some animals can be fictionalized while others should refrain from it
lilac swallow
People that liked anky before the isle Will only see a middle finger with the name of anky, because thats not the thing they loved
To be fair, i have to say that at least i can still call It anky, spino and austro on the other hand...
ebon crypt
You mean croczilla and upsized halszkaraptor? 
lilac swallow
Yeah
Like, spino is my favorite theropod, and i really dont like charcharodontids, what do i get? A sailed charcharodontid with the name of spino
If at least it looked like a Big bary/sucho with a sail (in other words, like a spinosaurid) i wouldnt mind
ebon crypt
I'm sorta making a spino dossier actually. It's kinda a mix of the concept art spino, current model and irl spino. I doubt the devs will change spino any time soon, but maybe they'll still be able to use something from it
paper geyser
Yeah honestly it’s kind of insulting even, making such loved dinosaurs the way they are now
lilac swallow
Is an insult for people that did like the animal
ebon crypt
Spino is my favourite too. The current model isn't too bad, but man, what did they do its face and posture?
tawny mica
A lil summary on what people think about the anky?
valid zephyr
anky is one of the animals by itself which works fine
lilac swallow
A real spino with a bit of more muscle and long legs would have been still a spino while also being able to fight rex
valid zephyr
as it happily lives alongside rex for millions of years
lilac swallow
Anky did live with Rex and isle Rex is heavily nerfed from its real counterpart
They could've even just kept the short legs
@ebon crypt i know, i mean for the people that really want terrestrial spino
ebon crypt
Short legs doesn't mean bad on land
lilac swallow
For isle players It does sadly
ebon crypt
It's not fast, sure, but it's not supposed to be
valid zephyr
the short legs were still disputed when the new isle spino was shown
lilac swallow
Unless said short legs are from magy, magy can be supersonic
valid zephyr
isle devs said several times they think the short legs are wrong.
ebon crypt
Hypo spoon has short legs, why not the regular one?
valid zephyr
though that was before the new paper with the tail and matching legs
lilac swallow
isle devs said several times they think the short legs are wrong.
@valid zephyr they wanted the short legs to be wrong
valid zephyr
I can forgive spino, as it's a monsterified version of what spino was thought to be at the time.
lilac swallow
Hyper spino does look more anatomy accurate, and its sad, because hyper spino is actually supposed to be a monster
dim umbra
isle devs said several times they think the short legs are wrong.
@valid zephyr then they could have picked an other ankylosaurid. There are some with longer legs
ebon crypt
Why couldn't we get a bulky spino? Short legs, but utilizes cc
lilac swallow
Clearly having a 3rd apex with the same fighting style was clearly better
dim umbra
i was talking about spino not anky
@valid zephyr Ohhh sorry. I got lost i think 😫
valid zephyr
lol
convo has moved from anky feedback to feedback on the fictionalisation in general
it's got to the point where we're getting monster hunter animals and not dinosaurs
zinc anvil
It is one of those things where you can’t please everyone with a model some will like it some will hate it
ebon crypt
That'll always be true, but if we could atleast see what the majority is by simply putting X and V under concept art and models, we could get a much better picture rather than just 
zinc anvil
I think it look better then the old model which I’m happy with
valid zephyr
it's more consistently disliking the entire art direction since evrima. it's not a one off.
it's gone from dinosaurs to fantasy animals.
zinc anvil
It’s always been that way
valid zephyr
only exceptions are the old models they had lying around
ebon crypt
Definitely an improvement from goose spoon, but could've been better. Maybe if they hadn't changed the head
zinc anvil
It’s not trying to make 100% this is identical to the animals. It’s a game with a bit of everything in it
You got a JP raptor in the game pretty much haha
paper geyser
Toggleable feathers pls ;-;
ebon crypt
Syn, I know it's a lot, but at least read until the anky bit because I don't feel like explaining it again #general-feedback message
valid zephyr
really hope we get a feather skin option
zinc anvil
Toggleable feathers pls ;-;
@paper geyser it might become a thing in the futures a skin
paper geyser
Something like this I feel would be really nice
valid zephyr
troodon and utah look wrong without them
ebon crypt
You can stop reading after the bolded bits stop, unless you've already read it
random imp
feathers will be a chosmetic option for what i understood, just like different crests and horn shapes
nah, a fade to black is too easy to countermanouver
if you go black istantly it'd be more dangerous
and better for thehypsi
ebon crypt
It's more of a quick fade away, rather than an instant cut
random imp
i prefer istant cut tbh
you don't expect it and you risk to die falling from a cliff or ending up in the middle of a herd of stegos
if you have a quick fade you can predict where you are going to go, because you have a warning of blindness
flat crypt
ye exactly. the fade would only take like, 1-2 seconds at most
ebon crypt
The fade would litearlly take a second, not a full 3. A quick cut like that can be jarring and might even be dangerous to some, though can't confirm
flat crypt
the point of the blinding isnt to stop you from going somewhere, its to stop you from seeing hypsi escape
a very quick fade prevents any crash scare, is a liiittle more immersive in my opinion and still makes it easy for hypsi to get away
random imp
it is to save the hypsi and make your life difficult
because if you are dumb and keep running with the black screen you must be punished lol
ebon crypt
Of course it is, but a quick transition to black is much better than a hard cut. It does not give the carni an advantage at all and makes it easier on the eyes
tawny mica
Maybe it will be polished a lil
But it has to be a very quick animation to make it work
Very very quick
sinful elm
instant cut is fine. id like to see something like the dilo blind effect in PC:E where you can kind of see vague movement but the vast majority of your screen is obscured.
an indication that you’ve hit your target as hypsi would be nice as well, even just a half second recoil animation to confirm. tho, saying that i’m sure it’s already in the works
flat crypt
at least their wrists arent broken 😬
paper geyser
thats what makes it so odd
arctic nimbus
Utah is literally a jp clone
paper geyser
they go to quite a few lengths to make dinosaurs realistic, but then partially ruin it with things like no feathers or circular pupils
jp raptors have pronated hands
and im pretty sure they all had vertical pupils except for the ones in JP3
white spruce
utah does too
paper geyser
utah does in evrima when it wallows
white spruce
There are plenty of anims where utah pronates its hands
That was a big complaint with utah's run anim when it got revealed
I agree with erook, too. A wider aim marker would be better for hypsi
digital bone
I like that Kato, not sure about the patterns but it looks nice in shape
paper geyser
the utah?
digital bone
Aye
paper geyser
awesome, glad you think so
paper geyser
oh my, i often forget how massive utahs really were
its hard to grasp that they were huge
digital bone
Ikr
mellow maple
There's nothing new about Isle Utah. The fact it tries to copy JP Raptor so hard goes against its own design theory of trying to be a unique game.
That though
I'll take
ashen wasp
their wrists definitely do break with quite a few animations-- the mudbathing anim being the most egregious example, when Utah props itself up on all fours and scratches its neck like a dog (why does it...... do that.)
That being said, the slit pupils aren't the most inaccurate thing about Utahraptor-- theyre speculative, and don't really fit the animal, but they aren't impossible. Skimmers are modern dinosaurs with vertical pupils, an adaptation that they use for catching fish, but generally vertical pupils allow for a longer length of visual focus during high-light conditions, as well as portraying the horizon in sharp focus, a beneficial adaptation for animals low to the ground that specialize in pouncing on prey, like cats and foxes.
Vertical pupils have also been proposed in passing for Velociraptor, as it seems it was likely the animal hunted nocturnally or crepuscularly. A slit, multifocal pupil would allow for better color vision in low- and high-light conditions.
Utahraptor was less likely to have this type of eye, however, because its head was much higher off the ground-- we see this in canines and felines as well-- smaller cats and foxes have slit pupils, while wolves and big cats do not.
so, tl;dr slit pupils on Utah aren't the most unrealistic thing in the world
||but yeah fix the hands please||
mellow maple
I was against slit pupils but YDAW was like "maybe?" LOL
I'm glad you mentioned that Dust
that could elude to velo having some night time capabilities too
paper geyser
arent slit pupils more ineffective the taller the eyes are? Hence why house cats have them but big cats dont?
digital bone
I just want fat fluffy utah
paper geyser
^
mellow maple
at least, in dim lighted conditions
ashen wasp
yeah, Kato, that's right
paper geyser
i'd imagine utahs wouldnt have had slit pupils considering how tall they were
and especially not carnotaurus
ashen wasp
mmmhm, yeah-- id say any carnivorous dinosaur taller than, say, Herrerasaurus, was unlikely to have had em. but, hey, slit pupils on Utah isn't the least realistic thing The Isle has done
ashen wasp
||im just rubbing my hands together in anticipation of the feathered alts||
valid zephyr
feathered troodon alt skin would be amazing
ebon crypt
Feathered and unfeathered variants for most dinos
ashen wasp
at least all the maniraptorans and ornithomimids. am i forgetting any??
oh-- Compsognathus
ebon crypt
I mean, there could also be elephant fuz like variants for the apexes
ashen wasp
mm-- between you and me id kill for a penguin-fuzz Spinosaurus but we both know itll never happen 😔
mellow maple
Inb4 feather system applies to all archosaurs
ebon crypt
Chicken rex pog
ashen wasp
feathered DEINOSUCHUS
ebon crypt
Fuck it, we goin' all out with the feathered variants
ashen wasp
although, wow, im only now realizing how much Pteranodon needs pycnofibres
arctic nimbus
feathered spino 🙂 🙂 🙂
ebon crypt
Oslo has entered the chat
silver zephyr
feathered oslo
valid zephyr
hopefully we get realistic hypsi fuzz option
ashen wasp
this croc-skin model looks like itd need some tweaking to allow for feathers but on a realistic Spino itd look pretty good id reckon
paper geyser
Feathered spino?
ebon crypt
Feathered hypos 
valid zephyr
mellow maple
Ironically, hypsi is overfeathered
valid zephyr
yep lol
ashen wasp
yeah Hypsi was a weird choice to go all-out on the feathering while we still have naked dromaeosaurs
mellow maple
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
valid zephyr
i mean isle hypsi looks great
ashen wasp
but they had to differentiate it from Oro somehow i guess
valid zephyr
especially in motion
ebon crypt
Hypsi looks great, I'm just sad about poor oro
ashen wasp
oh no question it looks great, im happy with the result, but it was still a strange choice
hoping Oro makes a triumphant return
honestly-- Legacy already had Oro and Ava, but EVRIMA's also giving us Proto and Hypsi, so all four are sorta in this weird limbo where we're unsure if they'll be made redundant or not
ebon crypt
It's kinda weird that they decided to bring in new assets first. They could've fleshed out the current assets and then added new ones
valid zephyr
ebon crypt
Seems kinda like a waste to just get rid of the old ones
valid zephyr
suprised hypsi isn't just called oro
ashen wasp
nah, i understand that choice-- nice Velo btw, would love to see that-- it was likely to prevent rabid fans from ranting even more about how EVRIMA's a "step backwards" if they just see the same old faces from Legacy
ebon crypt
Still, a waste of resources and time if you ask me
ashen wasp
but i dont think any playables are getting sacked (apart from m'boi Puerta)
ebon crypt
Pue 
valid zephyr
brachi is basically a pue reskin
ashen wasp
im not sure how it's a waste, exactly-- theyre working just as hard as they would be with purely older playables
ebon crypt
It's kinda a waste of time and recorces by spending a lot of money on a new design and sounds, just because really
They could've just tweaked the older models, kinda like stego to give them a fresh look. New assets just seemed unnecessary if they're going to fill the same niche 
ashen wasp
Stego is a completely new model
ashen elm
idc about Hypsi. For whatever I can't see Oro fitting it's niche.
Anatomy wise it fits but... IDK
ebon crypt
Well not the exact same, but still it seems weird how that had a plan for a new asset before they had a plan for an older one
ashen wasp
EVRIMA is a whole step forward in quality, and old playables like Austro need to be brought in-line with the rest of the roster if theyre going to fit
ebon crypt
And steg isn't a completely new model, I don't think it is anyway. Didn't hear them announce it at least. Carno also didn't get a new model
ashen wasp
there isn't really an objective order to the playables-- the devs get ideas, work to make em fit, and lay em out for us to mess around with. gross simplification of the process, but still
ashen elm
We should get possum Oro instead 
ashen wasp
Carno didn't get a new model because it already had a revised model that fit what they were going for-- Stego's old one had known issues so they started from scratch
ebon crypt
Idk it still felt weird to see all these new faces this soon. I'm sure that they have a plan for everything, but still
When was the new stego model stated then? I don't remember that
ashen wasp
same for Cerato, Dilo, Utah-- if they've been made high-enough quality recently, there's no need
sudden hinge
@sonic cloud that is a petty feedback not going to lie dude 
the models look fine the anky could use some more weight to it but they aren’t as awful as you are letting on
ashen wasp
stated??
ebon crypt
Well, mentioned
sonic cloud
Prove me wrong
ashen wasp
there have been three Stego models-- the old boxy one, the current Legacy one with the long neck, and the Evrima one
ashen elm
Carno didn't get a new model because it already had a revised model that fit what they were going for-- Stego's old one had known issues so they started from scratch
They actually went backwards in accurate Stego design, but not many people care because Stego image is ingrained in our heads
ashen wasp
this is model 1
silver zephyr
ebon crypt
That's the first one, right? Sorry, I'm just trying to remember
sudden hinge
How you voiced a very salty opinion that’s it dude models cost money they can change them if they want but that’s costing them extra money to redo concepts
ashen wasp
and here's #3
ashen elm
V2 Stego is more accurate but the model was pretty bad
Probably because we didnt have the full anatomy of Stego that we do now.
Which is why PKs Stego works
ashen wasp
model 2's main issue was that the animal's knees were fused to its stomach
ebon crypt
Yeah, I remember the high held tail one, but it looked to me like they simply tweaked the old model. When was the new stego model announced though, I can't remember that happening
ashen elm
I think it was being developed even during Legacy 
ashen wasp
oh, Dondi mentioned making a new Stego all the way back on a stream in Legacy, can't remember when
ebon crypt
Ah, well no wonder I don't remember that. Thanks for the info
ashen wasp
he mentioned the knee issue, which i cannot unsee, so it stuck with me. in any case, Stego V3 doesn't have that issue so it must be a new model
also the showcase video for the new animations is titles "Stegosaurus stenops vers. 3.0" or something along those lines
yeah, it calls it a "revision"
ebon crypt
Oh boy
silver zephyr
ffs
ashen wasp
just attention-seeking, my bet. safe to ignore.
ebon crypt
Chad hypsi spray suggestion #general-feedback message
silver zephyr
deviljho acro when
ashen wasp
i dont like the idea of hunting while expending health as a resource-- especially if one is starving. predators tend to prefer not to risk injury, and abandon hunts in favor of pushing themselves to the point of damage
especially large predators, where a missed meal could spell the end
strong oasis
thats fair. i just wanted to toss it out there since it was rattling around in my brain
ashen wasp
oh sure. for Acro ive been toying around with the idea of a DEVASTATING shoulder-check, mostly for defense against other apexes
if it's gonna be obscenely bulky it might as well put it to some use
strong oasis
very true.
ebon crypt
The new chonky acro definitely looks like it would have a lot of cc moves
ashen wasp
still wish we got a slimmer one specializing in razing bites-- an ultra-bleeder barely faster than other apexes to account for its lack of bulk. Giga would get its 'chunk-pulling from living animals' ability, turning it into an endurance-based specialized sauropod-hunter, and Rex could keep its mega-fracture capabilities. Spino can go sit in the swamp and think about what it's become.
ebon crypt
They could've done so much with spino. Still, hope they can manage to make each apex feel somewhat unique
I feel like the chunky cc carnivore role could've been given to spino honestly. Dondi himself said that he wants spino to be defensive on land and offensive in the water, so it could've been really cool, but oh well. Tall scrawny spino it is
ebon crypt
Stubby spino would've been a better choice looks-wise imo, but at least it's not goose spino
silver zephyr
feathered spino
ashen wasp
yeah using its claws for self-defense, maybe by rearing up while stationary on lad could be cool, while providing some sort of fishing buff in the water could be cool.
Feathered Spino could be done right, i maintain. Beipi-style feathers would look great on an accurate Spinosaurus
unfortunately, it's a far cry from anything even remotely likely to be coming to the game
ebon crypt
I was thinking tail swipe with minor damage and knock down, and shoulder check with no damage, but also knock down. Spino could've also had close range with its short arms from the concept art, but massive damage, so getting knocked down by it could be fatal
ashen wasp
yeah i like the idea of large theropods throwing their weight around-- not only does it look nice, it provides more wiggle room in combat beyond "oh you got bit now youre dead"
slow stream
so uh waddya'll think of my idea-
ebon crypt
Yeah, cause so far all we know is: rex- crushing bite, giga- mouth of knives, spino- claws that do damage along with bleed
silver zephyr
if something can take on apexes its an apex in a sense
referring to what drakon said
slow stream
I may be wrong but Acros were refered to as a nonapex
silver zephyr
it is
but if you make it able to take on apexes. It becomes an apex if that makes any sense
ebon crypt
I feel like the sauropod killing role could go to either acro or giga, but I think giga might suit that hunting style more, like Dusttalon said above
slow stream
So Acro could have the bully role like the cerato to the smaller non-apex?
pale schooner
I mean, it’s gotta be able to fight em or there’s no point to playing it, chunk acro being unable to fight apexes is a joke
ebon crypt
ashen wasp
Idk..... when dinosaurs start gaining "bully" reputation they also start being targeted by the community-- see: Early Carno, Early Thenyaw Cerato, Late Carno, Carno In General
pale schooner
Plus, indestructible apexes means we’ll get a revisit of legacy- pastures of rexes, Gigas, and spinos.
silver zephyr
I mean, it’s gotta be able to fight em or there’s no point to playing it, chunk acro being unable to fight apexes is a joke
acro can just run. anyways acro could be made into an apex for all we know if thats not the case. just saying that if something can take on apexes it would be apex power level and whatnot
ashen wasp
Acro's got teeny tiny hands-- but just wait till i tell you about Allo's grapple
slow stream
it did have small arms, but the level of flexibility is outstanding
ashen wasp
flexibility =/= strength
slow stream
yea yea I know
ashen wasp
those things aren't holding anything major down
slow stream
I just wanted to point that out
ashen wasp
and not any more effectively than its massive skull
barren zephyr
acro didn't have all that flexibility in it's arms
barren zephyr
ehh. even still
slow stream
if memory serves me well, it's fingers can literally bend backwards
barren zephyr
acro like many of the other carcharodontosaurids have a ridiculous amount of strength in their arms
slow stream
Didn't T. rex also have a ridiculous amount of strength in their tiny human-sized arms?
barren zephyr
yes but not as much as carcharodontosaurids
ashen wasp
yeah, heard something about lifting polar bears
slow stream
that is if polar bears likes to be picked up
ashen wasp
i mean-- we wouldnt know if they did, i guess
ebon crypt
@pallid burrow Are you talking legacy? Cause I think some people have mentioned that the IK system is messed up, so a lot of dinosaur's anims are messed up atm
ebon crypt
Mmm, the way the dinos walk now is completely messed up. Punch said that they'll try to fix it again, hope legacy doesn't die on us when the fix goes through though
pallid burrow
Ok well that’s good
barren zephyr
They really weren't kidding when they said the code was fucked,
ebon crypt
Legacy takes the QA motive to the next level.
molten tulip
So glad they decided to do evrima
Rebuilding something from scratch is such a hard decision to make
Maybe instead of "rare chance", maybe make albinism and melanism arise as the result of an action you can consciously do
Rng punishing people by giving them easy to spot colors isn't a good way to implement it
dapper pulsar
Like how it used to work with murdering members of your old species?
molten tulip
Yeah probably
paper oriole
Melanistic and leucistic skins should be related to nesting imo
Albinism can stick with cannibalism
dapper pulsar
I'd be fine if my white whale was just an asshole.
paper oriole
Melanistic, leucistic and piebald skins being tied to nesters with shit genes (if thats still planned) would be less indiscriminately punishing
Tho idk melanism isnt as much of a punishment
Albinos just look meaner with their red eyes though it'd be cool to see it tied to those who slay/cannibalize their own as a giveaway to others that they aren't to be trusted
dapper pulsar
Would it be like an unlocked skin or would it start gradually changing after somewhere between your 10-15th kill?
paper oriole
Probably fade in
random imp
i'd love tho some morphs popping out casually
leucistic is tied to being an asshole in-game, but albinism and melanism should be casual morphs you get spawning or hatching
paper oriole
Eh i still like the classic red eyed white cannibal, but piebald skins can also look intimidating
dapper pulsar
I think a random morph system would only really be a problem if it happened in a server where you pay for dinos, but I think it should be toggleable when setting up a server.
random imp
and you can tell the difference between leucistic and albino because you can make the albino dinosaur totally white with yellow and pink details ( like it is in nature) and leucistic having the dino with washed out color and white spots all over the body.
paper geyser
unrelated but i really hope devs add in permanent scars as someone suggested a few days ago, seeing a scarred up tenonto will be a great way to know whether you should or shouldnt attack it
random imp
I think a random morph system would only really be a problem if it happened in a server where you pay for dinos, but I think it should be toggleable when setting up a server.
@dapper pulsar locking dinos behind paywalls won't be done in EVRIMA
random imp
main difference between albino and leucistic is that albinos have red/pink eyes and the details are yellow
in leucism you are totally white with normal eyes
paper oriole
If somebody bought a dino and got screwed with leucism they deserve it for buying a dino in the first place
random imp
^
i think that seeing a rex with washed out colors and half the face white like a scarred zombie 'd be terrifying more than seeing a white and yellow beast with pink eyes
dapper pulsar
Oh, maybe if you survive to become an adult or elder, whatever morph you were becomes a selectable skin on that creature! Maybe an achievement for each one, or all of them.
paper oriole
If you can survive to elder as an all white animal maybe it would be worthy of earning the skin lol, but eventually those skins may become too common to see then
random imp
nah, i do not like selectable skins, you should be able only to pick the base pattern, then you can customize the colors as you wish. leaving morphs out
paper oriole
Do it would make them less unique and ‘rare’
random imp
morphs should be only for mechanics and random cases
dapper pulsar
I was thinking it'd be extremely rare in the first place, and maybe there could be incentive to murder albino animals? This incentive wouldn't carry over to the skin version, and if we're doing the genetics thing the skin version wouldn't give a higher chance for albino offspring.
frigid cosmos
steam achievements
paper oriole
Most would probably be tied to the situation of the nestings, like the genes/biome
dapper pulsar
steam achievements
honest sparrow
Is albinism still for cannibalism on certain carnis
paper oriole
Albino dinos are already vulnerable i dont think there needs to be an incentive to kill them
The ‘incentive’ is they are easier to chase down because they have a harder time hiding
valid zephyr
What would people think of ankys head matching the style of the rest of it? currently looks like anky head and armadillo everywhere else.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/712564458274422794/776135670853795850/unknown.png
this type of scale on the head to make the entire thing at least look consistent
(don't include the ears or fur)
paper oriole
If he got better horns with that sure
Hes just got nubs, they can afford to be a tad longer
frigid cosmos
include the ears and fur
valid zephyr
paper oriole
Include the snout
random imp
doedricus
outer condor
Include the colors
valid zephyr
I don't like the armadillo look, but I think that if that's what it's going to be then it should at least be consistent
frigid cosmos
@outer condor
valid zephyr
and not one style for the body and then just glue realistic anky head on it
outer condor
@outer condor
@frigid cosmos 🤬
paper oriole
I wish the shell had better scutes on the ridge to match the tail as well
frigid cosmos
😭
dapper pulsar
Going full Armadillo could help it.
random imp
outer condor
I wish we could have gotten saurian anky 😔
paper oriole
I want tankboi not “i'm going to sacrifice bulk and armour so i can run away from that rex for 0.06 seconds longer”
paper geyser
how about have armor that will protect you from said rex, yknow, like the real anky
paper oriole
Rexes deserve death
paper geyser
i dont get why so many people here have a fetish for fast anky, its not meant to be fast at all
paper geyser
less bulky anky just makes him a bigger target, sacrificing a ton of armor for a bit of speed isnt a good trade
dapper pulsar
No. The dino often described as a "living tank" needs to be more mobile.
Mobility is what defines a tank.
paper geyser
and thats ignoring the fact that devs could literally just make it faster without making it a fragile armadillo
paper oriole
Unless this dude has legacy cerato level turn now he's completely screwed
paper geyser
or like someone else suggested, make the legs longer
though that would make it easier to flip over
the clear solution is to keep it slow
dapper pulsar
What if they just made it faster than a crippled dino
paper oriole
Let anky retract his limbs into his body and fall off cliffs
dapper pulsar
That also
paper oriole
And smash anything below it
See an unsuspecting rex nesting at the bottom of a canyon and do the right thing
ebon crypt
We still arguing about anky in here?
paper geyser
just make anky a turtle at this point
paper oriole
Pretty sure the devs said no to groups carrying bodies because them going separate ways would fuck the game
dapper pulsar
What if they made it a feature
paper geyser
and eventual teleportation into the 5th dimension
dapper pulsar
So you can slingshot dinos at other dinos.
paper oriole
I want to slingshot corpses for epic ranged warfare
molten tulip
Its all fun and games until someone pulls a body through a tree
dapper pulsar
In the 0.000001% they actual go with Anky rolling I want custom anky pin ball maps.
paper oriole
2 herreras carrying body, one tries scaling a tree
dapper pulsar
the end of days
paper geyser
like that madness combat clip where they separated the dude's hands from his body and he became an all-powerful being for a few minutes
paper oriole
If they made it so the first person who took hold of the body controlled the pathing it could work
Maybe
mighty girder
Good to hear hypsi won't be making people think their game crashed and I'm glad it's not a puke cloud anymore
Looks great
dapper pulsar
Hypsi's jumps combined with that blinding projectile makes me think it's gonna have a high skill ceiling, and I'm all for it.
paper oriole
I wanna be a camo skin sniper hypsi hiding in a tree near a watering hole blinding people until i get killed for it
frigid cosmos
XDDDD pee pee spot
valid zephyr
Armadillo head plate style matches the design way more closely.
dapper pulsar
If we're doing the murder your own kind route 50% of my Hypsi gameplay is gonna be tearing apart other Hypsis so I can look prettier.
dapper pulsar
You're gonna become a hypsi main eventually
It's the end game of The Isle.
I think they should make Hypsi's eyebrows more proportional to that of the King of Saxony.
paper geyser
if hypsi really becomes the skill ceiling i'll be ecstatic
dapper pulsar
Same
keen rivet
I shall suggest searching “from: 𝓣𝔀𝓲𝓰𝔃#2519 in:feedback” in search just to get some opinions
worldly igloo
Surprised on the feedback I got in the Feedback channel
crude girder
I love the wording lmao
worldly igloo
Lmao
ashen wasp
We're not sure how much hunger Hypsi's acid takes to perform each shot-- could only be a once-or-twice move that drains you to like, half or something.
silver zephyr
While I personally don't like new anky that much what else do people think it is. Like what else does it look like besides an anky. The club tail and defensive armor (although being rhino/armadillo esque) are easy tells that its an anky.
ashen elm
It looks like an ugly armadillo and rhino hybrid
Barely Anky
lilac swallow
There are club tailed giant armadillos
glossy matrix
It looks like an ugly armadillo and rhino hybrid
Barely Anky
this
lilac swallow
Anky may as well just be one of them
ashen elm
IMO its the same situation Utah.
You can tell it's an Ankylosaurid with random mammalian in it, but it actually doesn't look like Anky the animal.
Might as well give a fictional name like Novaraptor for "Utah"
lilac swallow
Exactly, isle anky is clearly an ankylosaurid, but you dont know if is anky or euoplo
silver zephyr
rhino and armadillos have club tails? there faces dont even look remotely similar. I get not liking the rhino/armadillo features but it is very evidentely an anky. tbf there may be some armadillos or rhinos that bare more resemblence in these regions but i personally dont see it. (if there is tell me)
ashen wasp
It's proportions are odd, its armor is weirdly segmented, its back looks broken, its head somehow makes the whole animal look frontheavy despite being a quadruped-- stylized armor would be fine for a strain, but Anky honestly looked fine with its old model.
silver zephyr
rhino image cause fuck computer discord
dapper pulsar
I think they're talking about Glyptodonts.
lilac swallow
There were armadillos with club tails
sullen cave
@silver zephyr ever heard of a glyptodon
ashen elm
Glyptodonts yea
silver zephyr
oh those
glossy matrix
It's proportions are odd, its armor is weirdly segmented, its back looks broken, its head somehow makes the whole animal look frontheavy despite being a quadruped-- stylized armor would be fine for a strain, but Anky honestly looked fine with its old model.
nah
old model was bad
old design was good though
ashen wasp
nah, meant like. a model update along the lines of Stego would have been preferable to this
ashen elm
Yes
silver zephyr
so like doedicurus? or whatever its called
ashen elm
Pretty much.
sullen cave
I think the devs just don't like real anky (at least for the game), so they made this generic ankylosaur rhino hybrid thing
glossy matrix
I think the devs just don't like real anky (at least for the game), so they made this generic ankylosaur rhino hybrid thing
yeah
silver zephyr
I wouldnt say its generic per say. But yeah im still meh on it
ashen elm
The only thing that tells you it might be Anky is the face
Everything else was changed
ashen wasp
i buy that Ankylosaurus is a tough animal to balance for the purposes of the game, but the direction theyve taken this new concept is strange
lilac swallow
Lets make Rex cuadrupedal but only keep its head, everyone Will know is a rex
glossy matrix
i think they shoulda had a JP-like anky
but with the accurate size
to make it not unkillable
silver zephyr
The only thing that tells you it might be Anky is the face
Everything else was changed
I mean the club still looks like an ankys no? Or did they just rip it from something else
lilac swallow
The club tail could be just any ankylosaurid
silver zephyr
Fair
ashen wasp
hot take but JP-esque Anky would also be..... bad. not a fan of turtle armor or side-spikes
ashen elm
The tail club looks more like Zuuls
silver zephyr
but most people probably only know about anky in terms of ankylosaurids
still right tho
zuul
sullen cave
I think anky is worse than the past few concepts like Acro or Austro, mainly cause those two concepts just exaggerated aspects of the animal. Acro basically got a thicker sail, a more tegu like appearance which works for it, austro just got a more pronounced fisher design (longer snout, thinner body, like a heron) which works. Anky isn't an exaggeration, its just a chimera
lilac swallow
Yeah, you call this thing zuul and is almost more accurate
A good fictionalization is tenonto's the real animal already had a longer than average tail and they just beefed the tail up
sullen cave
exactly
they exaggerated unique features
anky's unique features got reduced or changed
not exaggerated
ashen wasp
mhm
dapper pulsar
Deino was robbed.
ashen elm
tfw when real anky got a tail increase so it probably had a wider swing now too so needing to turn faster is even more unnecessary 
silver zephyr
what happened with deino
dapper pulsar
Big Alligator
lilac swallow
Tfw anky got fictionalized to be fast yet Stego still runs slow and minmi with those short legs isnt running fast neither
dapper pulsar
The model
ashen elm
dapper pulsar
Big Alligator
silver zephyr
what was deino robbed of? 
ashen elm
Size?
ashen wasp
my biggest gripes with the new anky concept are the broken back, weird wrists, seams/segments, and the size of the head. just. beef up the back, smooth out those cracks, and shrink the head a bit and it's fine
sullen cave
He's saying it got turned into a generic big alligator I think
dapper pulsar
Looking like a Deino.
ashen elm
To be fair the new Deino info on how it looked is pretty new, so I let that slide
lilac swallow
But deino is in fact a generic big alligator
sullen cave
I agree, for all intents and purposes deino basically was a large gator
minor differences aren't important for a game that isn't striving for accuracy
lilac swallow
Crocodilians didnt really need to evolve beyond size to match its prey size
sullen cave
@ashen wasp agreed
dapper pulsar
That's a very reductive way of looking at Deino.
ebon crypt
The main problem is that they named this new anky "anky". If you're not going to stay true to a recognizable animal, then just don't even bother trying to associate the new anky with real life anky. Just call it something else and call it a day. But that also won't happen
ashen elm
I don't mind if they fictionalize a bit. Even Legacy models had their inaccuracies. And the smalls I just don't care about or its meant to make look less generic, plus smalls can get weird IRL.
But not Chimeras of iconic and large animals 
honest sparrow
Utah.exe
dapper pulsar
They could call it Sarcho or Puru and it wouldn't change anything.
ashen elm
Eh I wouldn't go that far. Sarcho has a very distinctive skull, same for Puru.
honest sparrow
^
sullen cave
^^
ashen wasp
yeah
lilac swallow
Iconic animals that already have an image asociated to them should just stick to that, let crazy desygns to animals no one care about like hypsi
ashen elm
Basically. That's why no one complained (much) about Beipi, Hypsi and Teno.
ashen wasp
Beipi, Hypsi and Tenonto have elements of other animals, but they seem like their own creatures
ashen elm
Plus they are pulling from birds with the first two so they don't look too weird.
Teno does have some mammalian in it but it's a bit more subtle
ashen wasp
mhm. but Ankylosaurus is already iconic and well-recognized without needing to be fictionalized in that way
lilac swallow
Is not directly a club tailed hornless rhino
It doesnt even need to be fictionalized from a viability standpoint
honest sparrow
My main problem with it is consistency in designs
lilac swallow
The thing lived with Rex, and in the isle Rex is heavily nerfed from its real life counterpart
dapper pulsar
Deino needs chonk more than Anky.
ashen elm
All Anky even needed in Legacy was an armor mechanic (extra conditional health?) and bb and it would've been fine. Maybe a bit more consistency with the tail hitbox but that's it.
ebon crypt
Again, the easiest fix would be to call this new anky something else. Call the Utah the apolloraptor and then rename some other fictionalized dinos to destroy any connection that they had with the original animal by sharing its name
lilac swallow
And the human like stamina and absurdly good sensorial organs?
silver zephyr
sullen cave
I have a feeling the devs would refuse to do that, despite making sense @ebon crypt
ashen elm
They lose marketability when they start making fictional dinosauars
ebon crypt
I know, but it's still the easiest fix. No model changes required
lilac swallow
Mfw strains exists as a concept to have monsterified dinos but they decide to monsterify normal dinos
ashen wasp
hatching AI seems like a way to produce food.
ashen elm
Unless you go complete JWE mobile and throw sanity out the window 
ashen elm
Probably yes lol
ebon crypt
You either stick with the original or make something completely original. There can be an in-between, but the devs haven't found that yet
honest sparrow
Yeah so we have movie type shit like utah, normal shit like stego, weird but functional shit like beipi, and weird shit that doesn’t work like new austro
sullen cave
I think Acro and austro are pretty good inbetweens
lilac swallow
You upsize isle anky, make It fight against 4 dudes with oversized swords and i would think is a Monster Hunter gameplay
silver zephyr
😳 ngl i wouldnt mind that
sullen cave
Austro is gonna be a lot less stylized when the model is made I bet
sullen cave
I think it'll look pretty good (if they remove the chest feathers)
dapper pulsar
What was the reason they made Spino and Giga look more like their hypo versions again?
honest sparrow
I doubt it
sullen cave
@ashen elm is that more anky concept art
ashen elm
lilac swallow
Yeah
ashen wasp
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9a/4b/22/9a4b229ee48f58d63f0544c330511bab.jpg
@ashen elm oh so we got more angles on the new Anky after all
lilac swallow
Its Elder anky
silver zephyr
delete apceros
ashen elm
lilac swallow
Apceros needs a Big Monster version
silver zephyr
dapper pulsar
Deino will soon rise, and large alligator will fall.
ashen wasp
What was the reason they made Spino and Giga look more like their hypo versions again?
@dapper pulsar probably to provide a more natural progression between base creature -> elder -> Hyper
lilac swallow
Mfw hyper spino's anatomy is more accurate than normal spino
ashen wasp
it's been hinted at a couple times that some elders can grow into Hypers
silver zephyr
both
lilac swallow
You eventually die
dapper pulsar
That's not
silver zephyr
you get stronger, then weaker, then die of old age
lilac swallow
But It only happens if you go Elder, and going Elder is optional
ashen wasp
Don slipped up on a stream a while back, referencing "growing" a Hyper, and the roadmap says that you can either die of old age as an elder or grow into something "more terrifying"
dapper pulsar
Imagine thinking getting a bit bigger is more scary than growing old and having no choice in dying.
silver zephyr
huh
ashen wasp
that's different. the uncaring grasp of death is scary for you, while Hypers are scary for everybody else.
dapper pulsar
I think old people are scary for everyone else too.
silver zephyr
?
sullen cave
so do you just drink some radioactive punch and turn into Gojira or something
dapper pulsar
You jump into a plant if I remember correctly
ashen wasp
i mean, by that logic Hypers should be even more terrifying-- they come after Elders so theyre old as dirt
glossy matrix
#general-feedback message
@rocky iris It's not going to be black
that was a visual bug
dapper pulsar
Yeah but they're not old people, they're just old.
rocky iris
@glossy matrix Oooo okay ty for clarity!
dapper pulsar
Old people are like racist and wrinkly, they've just existed for a long time.
If it's a Hypo Spino it might be as scary as an old person
lilac swallow
You must have a very short sight to think that old people=racist
rocky iris
Edited my feedback XD
dapper pulsar
Ok that was too specific
Old people=bigotry, in general. Old people don't accept new things.
How did I get into this conversation.
rocky iris
I have a random question why is racism being implied in a feedback discussion that doesn't rly relate to any feedback?
ebon crypt
You didn't really get into it, you started it
dapper pulsar
I doubt it.
ashen wasp
im not sure why, but i kind of expected Hypsilophodon's acid to automatically stop other dinosaurs in their tracks and begin playing their reaction animation
dapper pulsar
Anyway I think choosing between elder and strains is a better choice, not going Elder for a bit, then strains.
I did too.
ebon crypt
Hmm, I don't know man, I don't see anyone bringing up racism before you, but I'll let you guys carry on
silver zephyr
why choose between them when you can have both tho
dapper pulsar
Because it's more interesting.
silver zephyr
eh
dapper pulsar
The other option is dying for a reward.
In the scenario where you become an elder first.
silver zephyr
yes one of those rewards is becoming a strain
rocky iris
Hmm, I don't know man, I don't see anyone bringing up racism before you, but I'll let you guys carry on
@ebon crypt
idk if that's to me or to mirror but if it's to me I never mentioned it, im just wondering why it is in a feedback discussion when it doesn't relate.
silver zephyr
potentially
dapper pulsar
Strain is a continuation of gameplay
ebon crypt
Not talking to you, Linka, don't worry
dapper pulsar
Death is stopping your gameplay and having a reward for when you start again.
rocky iris
👍
silver zephyr
strain gameplay continues after elder
dapper pulsar
In the Elder trello card it says you can become and elder and slowly die, for a reward, or become something far more terrifying
Yeah
Or you stay elder
and die slowly
valid zephyr
not a fan of strain being a continuation of elders. as like everyone will only play the carnis trying to get strains.
it will just tip the carni popularity even more.
dapper pulsar
"You may choose to embrace death and die with a bonus you can apply to that species later on."
brave rampart
@rocky iris According to the video publisher, the resolution caused it to be black when it's meant to be a dark green.
valid zephyr
it's already like 90 carnis and 10 herbis on officials. if carnis can turn into hypers no one will play herbi
brave rampart
So luckily that's not what it'll look like
silver zephyr
depends on how hard hypers are to get
dapper pulsar
I don't think strains will be restricted to carnis
silver zephyr
they will
silver zephyr
herbi strains would just be eating like whole forests
dapper pulsar
I thought herbi strains became carnivores
silver zephyr
no?
dim umbra
Herbies where always far behind in this game
dapper pulsar
Like the tissoplastic Stego fan concept.
valid zephyr
i mean there are more strains than hypers.
brave rampart
That's a fan concept
Its not official
dapper pulsar
Hypos are strains though
dim umbra
Magna
brave rampart
Exactly
Doesn't mean the stains could be compatible to herbivores
I mean technically they could be, but that's means those fuckers will eat an entire forest
silver zephyr
maybe neuros and tissos but like idk how herbivores would take advantage of those
dapper pulsar
Camouflage and being smart?
rocky iris
According to the video publisher, the resolution caused it to be black when it's meant to be a dark green.
@brave rampart
oh nice.
valid zephyr
camo seems something useful to herbis
dapper pulsar
I think both of them are.
brave rampart
They naturally have camouflage
You dont want an indominus rex style invisi-camo do you?
valid zephyr
or herbis could get some unique herbi only strains
dapper pulsar
I think that's implied in Tisso
valid zephyr
tissos are meant to have that from what we know
silver zephyr
all the strains just seem to suit carnis much more, hypos and their raw strength just eating through everything, neuros with their weird shit to attack humans and trick others (i guess? dont know much about neuros), and tissos are stealthy af wih poison and stuff
brave rampart
If anything a compatible strain would have to do with a herbivores fight or flight components.
I.e if its fight, they'll have armour and/or other weapons to use against predators, or if its flight they'd have strong muscular legs to help with strides and such, and with the help of increased endurance and stamina.
dapper pulsar
I think all of that could be incredibly useful on herbivores though
brave rampart
hyper hypsi
dapper pulsar
Weren't Neuros supposed to have the ability to mix pack?
Don't suggest something like that
That's just
heart breaking
brave rampart
The tissos, neuros, and hypers are strictly carnivores imo
Just make a separate strain for herbivores
dapper pulsar
Why would those be restricted to just carnis though
If we are keeping them separate, I think at least Neuro could be applied to herbis
valid zephyr
unique strains for herbis would be awsome
dapper pulsar
Tissoplastic Theri would be amazing.
valid zephyr
being strong or being stealthy helps herbis as well as carnis
vast wolf
being strong and stealthy is good.
thats what i see anky doing. basically living in areas with lots of cover and using that to hide itself.
dapper pulsar
Also Neuro Spino was originally just one of Tapwing's fan designs before it got in
So Tissoplastic Stego could be a thing.
vast wolf
thay compounded with fractures its smell. and its armor would discourage predators from trying it.
i was actually going to post that stego
dapper pulsar
Tissoplastic Theri.
vast wolf
valid zephyr
i don't like herbi strains going carni. defeats the point of herbi strains
ashen wasp
we don't even know anything about type T animals yet
that Type-N Anky does look sweet though
dapper pulsar
I mean, we have a concept for a tisso rex,
vast wolf
dapper pulsar
Also, Tisso Anky looks like a cactus
honest sparrow
Aren’t they reworking tisso completely
ashen wasp
highkey hoping perching on larger animals is something teeny creatures can do
ashen wasp
...Cleaner Oro when??
vast wolf
those anky strain concepts are pretty
ashen wasp
hm. actually, the idea of Oro having some sort of symbiotic relationship with all other animals is interesting. incentive for carnivores to not hunt the thing if it can apply mild buffs to them by keeping them clean
dapper pulsar
ashen wasp
||not big on extra limbs for strains||
vast wolf
tisso carno
dapper pulsar
Neuro Carno is great
ashen wasp
oh wow an acid-spitting animal in The Isle??? i guess i could see it working, but the concept's pretty far-fetched. not sure that'd ever make it as a mechanic.
dapper pulsar
Also Hypo Quetz is probably the genuinely scariest of them all.
barren zephyr
Hello I'm back after 24 HOURS WTF ARE THESE THINGS?!
frigid cosmos
👎 😭 🤬 😡 😡
ashen wasp
old unofficial strain concepts by Tapwing
vast wolf
gulper eel looking ass.
barren zephyr
Oh ... quetz looks like a wyvern
manic tapir
what happened to anky
ashen wasp
that Neuro carno is great
dapper pulsar
Are you insulting my tastes
manic tapir
it looks like it has indian rhino armour plates
vast wolf
extendable sail. nice.
barren zephyr
Imagine a strain for fish AI, talk about out of no where
vast wolf
dapper pulsar
The fact you think Tissoplastic Channel Catfish won't happen makes you a fool
barren zephyr
I said out of no where, I NEVER SAID IT WOULD NOT HAPPEN
dapper pulsar
No
vast wolf
so this is where ludia got the idea for spinotahsuchus in their jurassic world games.
dapper pulsar
It's gonna be hyped up for 6 decades
vast wolf
minus the xenomorph mouth.
dapper pulsar
They're gonna post it scale by scale
vast wolf
ngl rex sized bary is a win.
ashen wasp
that's a toad-headed agama mouth
dapper pulsar
I don't think Tisso Giga would need a redesign from Tapwing's fan concept for it, even with the new model
dapper pulsar
Actually I'm gonna say it
vast wolf
also bary model.
dapper pulsar
It has too many spikes.
dapper pulsar
I like Dilo a lot.
barren zephyr
Everyone that is an intellectual likes dilo
arctic nimbus
I love how this looks like a MUTO and not a quetz
valid zephyr
i dislike the strains with 6 limbs
valid zephyr
hard to see how extra functional limbs just appeared
valid zephyr
we don't know
barren zephyr
Imagine a flyer gets added and it can pick up utahs.
dapper pulsar
Yes, we all want Hatze.
barren zephyr
Lol quetz is outdated, and boring by this point
dapper pulsar
Hatze is the future.
barren zephyr
But I meant like Thalasso
ashen wasp
don't forget about that bioluminescent-spitting Neuro Dilo concept
dapper pulsar
I love all of them
valid zephyr
docjay has some cool herbi strain concepts which arn't hypers
barren zephyr
Afk for a bathroom break
valid zephyr
vast wolf
that para looks like a whale with legs.
dapper pulsar
It looks like something from avatar.
ashen wasp
I JUST SAW WHERE ITS EYES ARE
dapper pulsar
Yeah.
ashen wasp
NO thank you
dapper pulsar
Tisso seems like it could be fitting for Herrera.
valid zephyr
crude girder
where are ya getting these?
silver zephyr
banbaro lookin ass
crude girder
LMAO
valid zephyr
I think it's a missed opportunity to not have hyper rex and some equivalent trike fighting. literal kaiju battle which shakes the island.
instead it's hyper rex wiping a herd of normal trikes for kicks.