Also personally seeing what is gonna be on the server before I spawn in is lame. Wanna go in blind and work with what I get.
#general-feedback-discussion
silver zephyr
civic carbon
maias used to get targeted a lot because they led to shant
ashen wasp
Magy isn't in the game yet.
civic carbon
dilos also used to get targeted because they led to allo
acro would lead into rex and giga and would get targeted by trikes
ashen wasp
this was all in Progression
civic carbon
yes
ashen wasp
which is irrelevant
civic carbon
they still get targeted lmao
people target utahs
they will target juvie rexes and gigas
they will target dilos as maia,
ashen wasp
Utahs paint targets on themselves, really, with cheeky behavior, attacking larger animals than what's reasonable. juveniles get targeted across the board, especially carnivores
glass quail
But like, your allowed to play like that right?
ashen wasp
and maias are just. pricks, if you'll excuse my French. Shants, Utahs, Pachys-- everything has a drive to kill what it's able to kill, and EVRIMA's balancing is intended to level the playing field as much as possible
civic carbon
but it won't completely stop it
so why would you add a mechanic on top of that
that actively allows you to target
glass quail
Like if your allowed to just join a server to hunt one thing, why not just let someone join a server when they can do that
i am not suggesting to stop it, if that's how someone wants to play, sure go ahead.
ashen wasp
nothing will completely stop it-- people will go to whatever lengths possible to be assholes-- all devs can do is make it inconvenient enough so as to discourage the majority of players from doing it
civic carbon
so, again, why add a mechanic that actively allows that to happen
ashen wasp
which proposed mechanic??
glass quail
why not?
It doesnt just allow for that, but why not?
If thats how someone wants to use a Mechanic, they are playing like that anyway.
civic carbon
the ability to see dinosaur populations
lilac swallow
Stopping targeting totally is impossible, doesn't mean they should just give up and help us with targeting
civic carbon
before joining a server
ashen wasp
oh yeah i don't like that idea at all
lilac swallow
nothing will completely stop it-- people will go to whatever lengths possible to be assholes-- all devs can do is make it inconvenient enough so as to discourage the majority of players from doing it
@ashen wasp exactly this
glass quail
I mean your assuming they will use that mechanic and find server after server full of there fave prey.
I think this mechanic is more likely to create diverse servers
civic carbon
they will use that mechanic like that
lilac swallow
It will just create meta focused servers
ashen wasp
how so?? it seems like people will pick servers that consist primarily of favorable matchups against their mains
lilac swallow
Servers will only have op shit or shit that counters said op shit
civic carbon
as much as the devs don't want the game to be pvp focused, so long as there is fighting, there is a meta
glass quail
sure, but i asked earlier, would anyone here do that, or would they rather pick diverse servers?
civic carbon
i would lol
i'm one of those players
i'll actively target a specific dinosaur just because i don't like that
glass quail
like surely it would get to the point none diverse servers just died out, why would join a server with rexs and trikes
lilac swallow
In legacy, for example, servers would only have gigas or rexes to counter said gigas, and when giga's gets deleted dilos will come to target those rexes
glass quail
So why shouldnt you be allowed to play like that?
civic carbon
because that's not the games purpose
lilac swallow
The game, at the end of the day is a survival game
civic carbon
i wanna go into a server not knowing wtf i'm gonna run into
it's why i don't want split rosters on official
lilac swallow
You are not supposed to know what dino has the more chances to survive
glass quail
Lol, your saying you should not be allowed to play the game how you want to play it, so a mechanic should not be introduced that would let you play it the way you want to play it?
civic carbon
i shouldn't be allowed to actively target
glass quail
But again, people have already said they would pick diverse servers if they could
Meh, i think you should
If i wanna play a Rex and try and hunt Trikes, so what?
lilac swallow
Is like saying you should be allowed to have tea parties in a shooter game, the game won't let you or at least won't help you doing it
glass quail
This Mechanic doesn't make that change?
lilac swallow
You just ruin the game of trikes AND the game is helping you to do that
glass quail
How do i ruin the Game of Trikes?
Like when i play a Rex i like to hunt Trikes? How am i ruining there game?
lilac swallow
The game isn't supposed to help you doing something you are not supposed to do
glass quail
(Oh note btw, i do not over kill)
silver zephyr
glass quail
As a Rex i am not supposed to hunt trikes?
ashen wasp
mhm-- say a Rex main wants to have the easiest growth experience possible-- they'd log into a server of primarily smalls, grow to adolescent un-harassed, and dominate the server, maybe with a small group of friends. leaving what everyone has chosen a mystery forces players to be ready for anything-- which is kind of the point of a survival horror. you aren't supposed to know what to expect logging into a server
lilac swallow
You are not supposed to target x Dino and leave every thing else alive because you hate x dino
glass quail
Okay, i see that point.
So you have found a server with a Niche open.
That Niche has now been filled
What is the problem
lilac swallow
Players are not going to fill that niche because players can allways play the most op Dino against the server population
glass quail
Like isnt that exactly what i am saying when i am saying this will lead to more diverse servers.
If a server is unbalanced, it will encourage people to fill it
ashen wasp
you'll be encouraged to hunt Triceratops as Tyrannosaurus with the nutrition system, most likely, but it won't be required. furthermore, with diet and perk pathways being the key to becoming Elder, and eventually mutating into strains, preventing Rexes from logging into servers full of Triceratops is a crucial step towards preventing players from gaming the system to achieve an uncontested Hyperendocrin
lilac swallow
It won't encourage people to fill niches that's the problem, people Don't want to fill niches they want to have the highest kill count
glass quail
I disagree, i don't think you know the whole player base.
People have said here they would like to join diverse servers.
ashen wasp
mhm-- people can fill niches regardless of server-- whether there's overpopulation or not depends on everyone's choices, but the map is large enough for that not to be an issue anyways
if you've got direct competition, then that either means it's time to throw down or move on
lilac swallow
Maybe realism server players, but your average isle player simply want to kill the most possible
glass quail
It seems like your imagining these weird unbalanced servers, where someone can pick a counter and jump in to reck everyone.
But i don't see how these servers would get to that point.
I think we are the Average Isle player.
sick crescent
How long have you been playing
lilac swallow
We aren't
glass quail
Few years on and off
lilac swallow
We definitely aren't average isle players
sick crescent
Veterans aren’t the average isle players at all
They’re generally the less toxic bunch
Less Toxic but can be more Doomer at times
glass quail
Lol, were special.
I don't think i am, I play With Roden, and have found a load of people who play with us.
I actually almost never bumped into randoms playing in Toxic ways.
sure, i have seen groups being dicks, and going round in mix groups or kill squads.
But they are organised, and on Discord servers doing this.
This mechanic wouldn't stop them, but i doubt it would make any difference.
sick crescent
Considering my share seeing around the community for years, yeah no the community is p toxic
Thats not to say everyone is toxic
lilac swallow
Players are allways toxic, survival game players are specially toxic among them
sick crescent
This game is also growing
lilac swallow
On average
sick crescent
Its getting attention from twitch streamers more of all
Thats the unwanted audience
Right now its likely less toxic than it will be when the streamers start playing again
lilac swallow
"I want the most views on my Rex stream I will join this para and Dibble filled server"
sick crescent
I am inching closer to putting that suggestion onto the community board
glass quail
pretty Bleak
I have had a generally positive experience with strangers i've met on the Isle.
sick crescent
I already know Denial Victory is inevitable though, so whats the point
glass quail
Denial Victory?
glass quail
Oh,
Yeah maybe
sick crescent
It could also be a Neutrality Victory since more community leaders are coming in sooner to the board
low canopy
why do people still whine about magy, it has model + animations, its not gonna get scrapped
glass quail
I think the main concern is that it will be abused.
I just kinda don't think it will. I think it will just help create diverse servers for the 'Average non-Toxic' player.
knotty sparrow
This hate on Magy is something I tend to look at as useless. So what if it can’t fight Allo or Alberto like a Cama could. Also, Cerato will not always succeed in killing a Magy, that ain’t how things work. Magy may be the smallest sauropod in the game, but it surely ain’t no pushover.
ashen wasp
People are concerned about bad matchups, that's all
knotty sparrow
It’s a 50/50 situation in a Cerato and Magy confrontation.
ashen wasp
that is a bold claim for two animals that aren't even complete yet
id like it to be true, but as of now we just dont know
sick crescent
The devs want it to be that way
glass quail
Yeah i get that
I just think, hey Bad match up exists.
I mean 1 or 2 of your species is bound to be on any server, if there a loads of you and that is indicated on the server, why shouldn't you be hunted.
low canopy
its literally just numbers tuning, plus if people would get creative with new mechanics and stuff it would be viable and fun against any, even apexes
its going to be a meme regardless though
sick crescent
Wrong chat
knotty sparrow
Meme nothing, that don’t concern me
I mean, a single Magy would be a prime target for a starving medium carnivore or apex, but a herd would be a different story for a lone medium
paper oriole
“This hate on Magy is something I tend to look at as useless. So what if it can’t fight Allo or Alberto like a Cama could.” Thats why its bad though??
So what if it's a free meal for anything bigger than cera? lol
mellow maple
Honestly, it'd feel like a meme dinosaur to play
azure wadi
It’s only players would be people who play it ironically
mellow maple
I don't hate its inclusion but the people who're going to play it know exactly what they're getting themselves into.
In every game, there is going to be a bad playable. Someone who gets the short end of the stick
and what happens you put a sauropod who's ecosystem has no large theropod carnivore?
It fucking dies.
ez
But if it's fun
o well
Not an issue
ashen wasp
mhm. it reminds me of where Pachycephalosaurus used to sit in the meta
paper oriole
The only reason we're getting magy instead of a superior small sauropod like Baja can be that the devs hate sauropod fans or herbivores in general
mellow maple
That'd be some bragging material
You can fucking flex all day "I just survived with the world's worst playable dinosaur."
knotty sparrow
Rex would need to catch up to it though
arctic nimbus
is magy going to taste bad or be poisonous?
ashen wasp
I'm not so sure about Magy's inclusion as being the result of spite.
paper oriole
It's a waste of a slot for an already underwhelming and underplayed faction
knotty sparrow
mellow maple
Unsure but the idea seems to be only Ceratosaurus can tolerate eating it
arctic nimbus
Lmao wow
paper oriole
So people will kill it for fun just because how shit it is
ashen wasp
Magyarosaurus's meat is going to be poisonous, yes, but it won't work based around contact damage-- you'd have to eat its carcass to suffer any ill effects
mellow maple
IT CAN BECOME A BLIMP
paper oriole
I know i'm gonna kos that thing and i'm an herbi player
knotty sparrow
Childish
mellow maple
Its neck is so fucking fat that it'll just suddenly fly into the air.
Or whatever the reason wailord floats in pokemon
Blimp Magy
low canopy
i keep saying, just give it puke aura. its such a creepy animal that any carnivore in its close vicinity gets sick and keeps puking til death embraces them
arctic nimbus
So lets say Magy's poison or whatever stops the animal from being eaten completely. Then what? Its not going to interact with most of the roster. Its a waste.
Which is a stretch because I'm sure that isn't going to save it
paper oriole
Magy is weak and slow, cant eat it, it was literally just made for KFS and thats it
May as well just spawn in as a gore pile
knotty sparrow
You guys are pathetic
arctic nimbus
how?
ashen wasp
Sensing vibrations might actually work as Magy's primary defense-- just. avoid all players. Cryptid Magy. it's there, somewhere, on the island, we just never have to look at it.
paper oriole
You think magy being defenseless against most of the carni roster is ok and that is pathetic
knotty sparrow
I meant alone it’s defenseless.
paper oriole
It is a waste of a slot that could have been baja
paper oriole
Having to be in a herd to have a chance of survival is bad gameplay
arctic nimbus
At least Bajada could actually gallop irl from what I heard, so being fast isn't out of the question.
paper oriole
Even other animals designed to group like utah can survive solo
knotty sparrow
Utahs are overrated to me
paper oriole
I dont care
silver zephyr
what
knotty sparrow
So what?
paper oriole
It was a point that having to rely on a group for a chance of surviving the rest of the roster is shit gameplay and bad design for any dinosaur
knotty sparrow
That’s your opinion
ashen wasp
Bajada would have been cool
paper oriole
LOL no its not
And yeah ar least baja has something to defend itself against more than magy does
knotty sparrow
Yes it is
arctic nimbus
How is that an opinion?
ashen wasp
at least it'd have a built-in defense. spiky sauropod > poisonous gore sauropod
ashen elm
Magy's biggest problem isn't apexes, its mids who are decently fast
ashen wasp
^has to rely on poison after it's been killed
knotty sparrow
Whatever, say what you will
ashen wasp
"the 'defense-after-you've-been-eaten' approach is a little late in the game for me"
paper oriole
Unless magy can pull some dumb shit like yeet itself down a mountain and survive to escape it aint running away from what it cant fight, or even from what it can
ashen elm
There are some gimmicks I can see for Magy but it's not really unique for it and can apply to lots of other animals
The elephant-like pads that can sense vibrations
and Mountain Magy
ashen wasp
what was that three-point checklist??
every animal should either be able to fight, flee, or hide effectively from every other animal. if it has a matchup where it can't do any of those, it's not a fun experience
ashen elm
I don't hate Magy and I appreciate them wanting a sauropod in the game, but Magy was def a very strange choice
frigid cosmos
fuck magy
low canopy
they still have something for magy that we don't know about
frigid cosmos
oh, "^^^" to the "dont hate magy" point, not the "fuck magy" point
fuck magy
paper oriole
Whoever approved magy has got to have some sort of grudge against sauropod fans
ashen wasp
yeah, imma suspend my Ultimate Judgement until we can actually play the thing
ashen elm
inb4 it's just the neck cc in it's art
Whoever approved magy has got to have some sort of grudge against sauropod fans
ashen wasp
i still dont think it's some Grand Conspiracy against sauropods-- theyre just difficult to do well
knotty sparrow
@ashen elm Don’t worry dude.
ashen wasp
granted, Magy is more difficult than most, but still
paper oriole
And i like how the only reason it could survive irl is because it was isolated on an island lmao
ashen elm
I mean I don't either, I just think they are bit too meticulous on their standards for sauropods being playable. (OP or otherwise)
Like current Cama stats (with some tweaks) would be fine on Big Cama in Legacy or Evrima.
The only difficult part of sauropods is their growth since they are slow and relatively defenseless until a certain age, but that's fine. It's not a gameplay style suited for everyone
knotty sparrow
Exactly
ashen wasp
mhm
man, more sauropods would be cool-- Brontosaurus, Diplodocus, Bajadasaurus, Camarasaurus, Shunosaurus
knotty sparrow
I saw a pic of Diplodocus in the old Allo ref sheet
ashen wasp
instead we've got Obligatory Brachi and the most baffling possible choice
ashen elm
I think we'll see Cama and Brontosaurus
Cama just needs an upsize and while Bronto is an old model, they could re-figure it like they did Kentro and Proto.
The only thing holding both back is fear they'll just be AI in survival.
knotty sparrow
Also, Shunosaurus would make a great addition. A sauropod with a tailclub could do serious damage to an apex
ashen elm
I wouldnt mind Shuno either. We do kinda need a few more more mid tier herbivores
I think we have 4? Maia, Plateo (omni?), Para and Rhino
Though technically you could fit Theri and Anky in there just based on size but power-wise...
ashen wasp
i haven't really heard anything about Plateo joining the roster but i would love for it to
ashen elm
Plateo has an old model like Bronto and it was briefly mentioned when they were doing interviews on the recode in the early part of the year.
It's in the same boat as Rhino iirc
paper oriole
Lmao dropping 3+ emotes on my shite Mega
You truly just want your kos bait admit it
paper oriole
Lmaooo
lilac swallow
If you need more than 1 reactions to express your point you only come as childish and desperate
silver zephyr
paper oriole
He's like the z3rk3er of magy suggestions
lilac swallow
Specially if said reactions are offensive like a middle finger
pallid acorn
If you need more than 1 reactions to express your point you only come as childish and desperate
@lilac swallow What if the emotes already on the feedback don't match my emotion towards the idea??? Hmmm, nah, just childish and desperate
pallid acorn
That may be true, but what if I feel positive towards and idea but am also confused? I put ✅ and 
lilac swallow
But putting several reactions that express the same is what is childsih
pallid acorn
The stego emote represents that
paper oriole
Thats 2, this dude put many
lilac swallow
Also, i forgot to say "many reactions that means the same"
civic carbon
lmaooo not the 🙄
pallid acorn
I can see how adding like 5 emotes is overkill, but not really childish
pallid acorn
See? Fulgore is overkill. Bad Fulgore
paper oriole
Which is hilarious tbh he is basically just z3rk3r on the austro suggestions who also spammed negatives
lilac swallow
Putting ✅ and 👍 is redundant for example
atomic karma
What does the timer mean ?
paper oriole
Means its planned
atomic karma
Ah i see thank you
pallid acorn
Putting ✅ and 👍 is redundant for example
@lilac swallow Oh yeah, that's dumb. But if they're already there on the feedback I'll click both for the hell of it. I make a point not to be redundant with my own emotes though
silver zephyr
😡 🤬 😔 😭 😤 👎 🤢 🤮 🖕
🙂 neurodox
frigid cosmos
@silver zephyr
knotty sparrow
Excuse me for being part of The Isle community!
frigid cosmos
ok emote spam
lilac swallow
I really was more refering at the fact that some people just put 5+ negative and redundant reactions whenever they dont like something, allways including a disrespectful one
pallid acorn
Ah, okay. I thought you meant more than 2-3 different emotes per thing was dumb. Sorry lol
silver zephyr
civic carbon
biped magy
pallid acorn
Magy is the dreamer who wants to grow up to be a famous writer with 676899 cats and succulents but ends up becoming a back alley druggie
paper oriole
Accurate
silver zephyr
Biped poison dart possum magy
pallid acorn
Hence, poison flesh. It's just the drugs
paper oriole
Or rather magy is the dreamer who wants to grow up to be a famous writer with 67899 cats and succulents but ends up getting mugged and dumped in a ditch by an allosaurus on the way home from the dollar tree
pallid acorn
Or rather magy is the dreamer who wants to grow up to be a famous writer with 67899 cats and succulents but ends up getting mugged and dumped in a ditch by an allosaurus on the way home from the dollar tree
@paper oriole ACCURATE-
paper oriole
Lmao
lilac swallow
You know magy isnt supposed to be poisonous, It just taste bad/have horrible to eat flesh, hell magy comes BEFORE the Venom update
pallid acorn
God if I could emote on your post
ashen elm
Possum Oro as a serious suggestion 
paper oriole
Dam thas even worse then lmao there ill be nothing to deter KOS at all then
If he just taste bad
pallid acorn
You know magy isnt supposed to be poisonous, It just taste bad/have horrible to eat flesh, hell magy comes BEFORE the Venom update
@lilac swallow ai think they actually said "toxic flesh" at some point, or it's been heavily pointed at by community. I usually say toxic/taste bad
dapper pulsar
I think the most recent Magy suggestion would still leave it quite vulnerable, so I'm thinking we make the laser also shoot out of it's tail and go through the map with unlimited reach.
barren zephyr
That's bloody good idea
dapper pulsar
Allow Magy to escape to the 4th dimension, which will instantly replenish it's health, food, and water. This might be a bit OP, so give it like a 3 second cool down to prevent abuse.
mellow maple
Yo, MysteryAllo might be on to something
barren zephyr
Maybe 
still raptor
You gotta love Q
pallid acorn
Gotta love how magy literally isn't plausible unless you give it theri claws and t rex legs
Watch all the magy endorsers start sobbing when they actually play it and realize its not fun and everyones killing them. "But i have not good meat! Why!?" Yeaaahhh thats why we tried to stop it
neat knot
About the Deino thing that was just posted, Dondi has already said he doesn't want players to be able to carry other players that are still alive, so Deino probably won't be able to carry its babies like that
barren zephyr
I mean, if it's skin would be poisonous, and not it's flesh, it would stop some carnivores easier and some not so easy to not KOS it for fun
@abstract lark i like your suggestion of nesting being like a requirement for becoming elder. I don’t like the ‘the more kids you conceive the easier it gets’ tho
pallid acorn
I mean, if it's skin would be poisonous, and not it's flesh, it would stop some carnivores easier and some not so easy to not KOS it for fun
@barren zephyr Even if it had tropical-frog toxic skin that gave damage when attacked, people would still hunt them. Like a trophy. "Oh man you've got 12 magys already!? I've only got 3!"
abstract lark
not like major or anything
but
it helps it a bit
because nesting 1 kid and getting close is not very smart imo
the more of your kind you bring into the world, the quicker you get rewards
pallid acorn
Unless touching a magy sentances you to certain death (which would make it untouchable and therefore, even less viable) people will hunt it for 1, the meme, and 2, it doesn't stand a chance at anything bigger than cerato/bary
Easy prey
frigid cosmos
Q
barren zephyr
J
Or if you bite Magys skin, it would make you have hallusinations, and make Magy have chance to escape
But the hallusinations don't last for long, only for like 5 seconds
ebon crypt
So, basically, what you're saying is that make magy pretty much untouchable. Yeah, sure, why the fuck not.
barren zephyr
I mean, it doesn't mean untouchable when it makes just hallusinations, really, it just helps it a bit escaping, like things like Allo, but hallusinations wouldn't work for big bad fat carnivores like chonk Rex, giga, sucho and those
Or just give it the lacer beems and that's it
arctic nimbus
Ok so if a predator hallucinates for 5 seconds from biting a Magy, what's stopping it from tracking the animal since it would be bleeding?
barren zephyr
Sure, give it more time then, that would be helping thing or give Magy disapearing trick
ebon crypt
I honestly don't care at this point. Even months before magy's poison was announced, poison is the cheapest way to make an animal "interesting". If the only way to make an animal viable (I fucking hate that word) is by making its primary defense system come naturally on contact, which pretty much limits the skill that it takes to play that animal, then guess what, that animal ain't good.
barren zephyr
I'm still wanting the lacer beems
arctic nimbus
Sure, give it more time then, that would be helping thing or give Magy disapearing trick
Which would then make it untouchable assuming it's hallucinating long enough so its unable to track. Do you see the problem with this?
barren zephyr
I see problem: 1. What's Magys viable option anyways
arctic nimbus
Its a two way street: either Magy gets bodied by everything or becomes untouchable.
barren zephyr
All carnivores bigger then Allo will just KOS it for fun
If the meat will be poisonous
ebon crypt
Look, I'm all for varying playstyles that have different levels of difficulty and survival tactics, but I'm pretty sure that most people can agree that making an animal poisonous is probably the cheapest and the most uninspired way to make an animal good. I was honestly looking forward to hearing what magy could do. I mean, the devs picked it, surely they have a good plan for it, right? Right???
barren zephyr
I hope they have good plan for it, like i'm sauropod fan, and Magy being first survival Sauropod, I want it not being bodied always
arctic nimbus
I seriously doubt they can make Magy good enough without looking incredibly stupid and/or broken.
silver zephyr
iirc punch said the bad taste wasnt all it had. just a secondary thing
old orbit
If not poison, what other feature should May or any other herbivore have to make it good?
ebon crypt
I honestly was hoping that the devs, the ones who chose it, had a good idea, but maybe there's still hope if Punch said that there's something else to it
barren zephyr
I'm really thinking what else magy has in it's pocket
ebon crypt
Thick, armored tail, maybe something to do with that?
barren zephyr
I still bet for lacer beems....
ebon crypt
Still a possibility 
barren zephyr
paper oriole
Magy's neck flap opens like a venus flytrap and there's thousands of hooked venomous fangs inside that it can use to rip the faces off its unsuspecting attackers
pallid acorn
Unless it has ungodly amounts of attack, I don't see how it could work. Let's face it, magy either becomes a walking bag of LSD skin or is a tiny baby in a room full of raptors
molten tulip
I like the idea of nesting and raising a kid bringing you to elder faster
Just like real life because children make you age 10x faster
Only concern is people just start farming babies and once they're elder they just kill their kid or abandon it
pallid acorn
I like the idea of nesting and raising a kid bringing you to elder faster
@molten tulip I like it too. I just have a problem with needing to nest to become an elder at all
If that's what they meant at least
tepid vigil
Only concern is people just start farming babies and once they're elder they just kill their kid or abandon it
"farming babies" lmao
zinc anvil
Some people in the the game hate the idea of nesting so making it a thing you must do is a bad idea
sick crescent
nesting being a thing you must do already sounds bad without context
barren zephyr
how many herbivores do you know kill other herbivores on sight
again I suggest speed and strength. these arguments could be made against any smallish herbivore thay doesn't have an offensive attack
pallid acorn
again I suggest speed and strength. these arguments could be made against any smallish herbivore thay doesn't have an offensive attack
@barren zephyr Speed?? For...a sauropod? Not happening, what're they gonna do? Make it gallop at horse speeds? Plus, and from what I've heard magy will be mainly evasion or avoidance (hence, toxic skin/bad meat. These are methods of convincing predators not to attack, like frogs that have terrible tasting skin so attackers will leave then alone). If they go by this, it would be a bad idea to also give it lots of strength or defense. Dinosaurs usually have only one "style" to them - attackers, hiders, tanks and flee-ers. Magy fits into none of these with the way it's card is described. And even if they give it strength, that paired with toxic skin will be a strange combo at best, and unplayable at worst
barren zephyr
yes, speed. it's not a particularly large sauropod, it's about 1 ton heavy and it's not like it's having a hard time moving around. the main argument against magy is that it can just be killed without being eaten. so I suggest they make it dangerous enough that trying to kill it is a risk on its own
tenonto is about as large and it is also strong and fast. I see no reason why magy couldn't also be strong, they even hinted at it in the roadmap
@pallid acorn if it's only poisonous carnis and herbis can just kill it for fun. make it not worth the risk
pallid acorn
yes, speed. it's not a particularly large sauropod, it's about 1 ton heavy and it's not like it's having a hard time moving around. the main argument against magy is that it can just be killed without being eaten. so I suggest they make it dangerous enough that trying to kill it is a risk on its own
@barren zephyr At that point it would be untouchable. They give it toxic skin, not enough, so they give it strength and speed. At this point nothing except maybe apexes could go for it. Magy developed on small islands with no to little predators, it is not meant to face others in combat, or even hide or flee. Either magy will be KOS by every carnivore cerato sized and bigger for the meme/for fun/for a trophy, or it will be buffed to be essentially untouchable to everything but apexes. The carnivores that would sensibly go after it are faster and most likely stronger. Even utah packs will being down a magy with ease if you have enough good players. People will not care about the toxic flesh even if they take damage, because it will be a trophy kill. And to make a large herbivore faster than it's predators is senseless and utterly unrealistic. Very little herbivores were faster than their pursuers, and those that were, were tiny, let alone a sauropod
flint root
a tenonto and a magy arent the same anatomy wise. Just because two things are similar in size doesnt mean they have identical capability in other factors
barren zephyr
uh making it strong won't make it untouchable ffs
I understand that. I mean that being a sauropod doesn't mean being slow
pallid acorn
uh making it strong won't make it untouchable ffs
@barren zephyr You said speed and strength AND the toxic skin
barren zephyr
I meant speed or strength, forgive me
I'm sorry for being belligerent lol what I'm trying to say is magy can work with some tinkering and poisonous dinosaurs are a good idea
pallid acorn
I meant speed or strength, forgive me
@barren zephyr Okay, that makes more sense. They should absolutely not go for speed, as it is (even if a small) sauropod and should not be given faster-than-predator speed
No problem, I agree with you. I just personally feel as if working around making this particular dinosaur work is too much
barren zephyr
considering the concept art and the roadmap reference it being mean and stuff, if it was dangerous enough, it wouldn't be worth the risk for anything other than cerato
yeah I know what u mean I think it's fine
I think the isle lowkey has too many animals for its own good anyway, they could get rid of a good few of them and the game would be much simpler
paper oriole
THUNDER thighs
barren zephyr
YES
paper oriole
dawndi, i'm trying to sneak up on the magys, but i'm dummy thicc and the clap of my ass cheeks keeps alerting the herd
in seriousness though i think his shins are too short? something looks off
barren zephyr
@jovial sleet I completely agree, I think they should stick to accurate proportions, even if the soft tissues are kinda wrong, they have pretty much always been good to the skeleton
paper oriole
also acro should keep neck spike
barren zephyr
too dummy thick
also I think it could fit the aesthetic of evrima pretty well if the artists used the same techniques, even if it doesn't have cartoonish proportions
silver zephyr
like the top part of the leg is way too big. like where the end connects if that makes any sense?
idk
barren zephyr
yeah it looks unnatural
that part of the leg folds into the body, like, there wouldn't be a massive crease
ashen wasp
Them hips
strange wave
ah yes, jpog "acro" aka a carcha spray painted brown with a long strip of brown paper stuck onto its back
glossy pollen
Pretty much haha...but maybe just used as a reference to go in different direction?
paper oriole
no
ebon crypt
Nah, we all know that the female dinos need to have giant eyelashes coupled with bright red lipstick. Also painted nails and rosy pink coloration only
edgy hamlet
random imp
lol it's been more than a year and people still don't understand that Legacy is not worked on and devs won't "change stats" 'n shit because they have to work on the more important stuff
ebon crypt
I mean, they did fix some of the more major bugs along with hacking, I doubt that changing some stats would be that difficult, but then again I know jack shit about coding and game development
flat crypt
I think the issue is for any stat changes that are actually worth anything, they need to put time into testing that its balanced
ebon crypt
With some stat changes, yes, indeed. But I doubt minor increases or decreases would impact balance that much, at least minor stam regen buffs for example
random imp
exactly, re-balancing stuff takes time and effort and right now they need to put 100% of their work on EVRIMA if we want an actual game with more than 3 creatures
edgy hamlet
The problem with a huge map is that you would have to have way more people on it to encounter players, but that would give huge performance issues and lags
vast wolf
not to mention unreal might not be able to handle it.
spero was already too big for unreal.
still raptor
@barren zephyr there is no need to let anky have bb because it is a sandbox creature.
barren zephyr
Yawn
still raptor
It's a waste of time for the team, where they need to focus 100% on Evrima.
Just because they patched up Legacy (because it was needed) doesn't mean that they'll focus on Legacy.
barren zephyr
Go ahead and point out anywhere in my suggestion, almighty isle God, where I said anything like that
allow me to innumerate the points I made for you since you can't read.
- I 100% think it won't happen.
- I think its a very very simple process, maybe a few minutes of work.
What is not said is.
- To focus on legacy and fuck off evrima.
And as for your 100% on evrima. You contradicted yourself in your own reply in your haste to admonish a simple very friendly request. Since they obviously were not 100% on evrema while patching the isle for hackers. Fixing the dryo, smoothing allo animations, and fixing theri and cama hit boxes
frigid cosmos
woah
silver zephyr
😱
still raptor
Woah. Epic.
barren zephyr
given they did minor fixes like that, I feel like it's very reasonable to ask for a very minor change by giving anky bone break. I do not think it will happen, but I love anky. And it would be nice while I wait for evrima
silver zephyr
is giving anky bb really a fix tho? like is it bugged to where its not happening
barren zephyr
No it was removed intentionally
silver zephyr
i know
barren zephyr
And again I dont even know how much work would go into reenacting bone break. I'm only asking because I think it would be very simple because the mechanic is already built into anky. It's just turned off atm
Why is there no ps4 version
If ur gonne hate just don't respond
I know in a console pleb dont have to hear it al the tim
its been asked for alot, console versions, but dondi has explicitly said he has no desire to put it on console. I dont think a reason was given why
silver zephyr
@sacred minnow Upsizing magy is an option to make it viable but many are against it due to the fact that it would just prove a bigger sauropod was a better pick.
barren zephyr
Cama running animations smoothed too! No more stutter run
still raptor
If you upsize Magy a larger sauropod will fit better. You do have a bronto asset in the files.
silver zephyr
also ps5 is like right around the corner anyways
still raptor
From what I've heard, the PS5 isn't doing to well.
silver zephyr
wdym
outer condor
No isle on switch 😭😭😭😭
still raptor
Apparently it overheats really bad, and it has battery problems.
silver zephyr
bomb
paper geyser
you know what doesnt overheat really bad and has problems that are fixable by yourself?
outer condor
silver zephyr
lilac swallow
I dont know how that is part of #general-feedback-discussion
still raptor
That moment where I had an argument with this person who thought the next gen consoles will beat a top of the line pc.
paper geyser
dear lord
still raptor
I brought up 3090 and Ryzen 5000 chips
barren zephyr
ok
@barren zephyr porting games to consoles is problematic, both compatibility and legally.
@barren zephyr why legally?
still raptor
Pirating.
still raptor
Yup.
barren zephyr
That sucks
still raptor
Lets be honest everyone knows someone who's pirated a game or something
paper geyser
prices are triple what they should be in many third world countries, and in some the game is outright not accessible. Piracy gives people access to something they otherwise could never touch
and most times if someone pirates something they werent gonna buy it anyways, so there is quite literally zero loss
and dont even get me started on DRM
still raptor
There are 3rd party website where you can get games for 80% of the initial price.
atomic karma
Small ai like rodents or smaller dinos is a better solution to that imo @warped tapir
warped tapir
@atomic karma i know that, but im saying in our current roster theres nothing for small juvies to eat and until we get smaller things then that would be a key to survival
silver zephyr
@atomic karma i know that, but im saying in our current roster theres nothing for small juvies to eat and until we get smaller things then that would be a key to survival
hypsi
other juvis
ebon crypt
Most of the dryo AI doesn't even attack you anyway also
atomic karma
^^also the game is still early in development so ofc it will be missing alot of stuff/issues
low canopy
you literally grow to subadult for free, all u need to do is spot an ai and wait that you are grown enough to kill it
paper geyser
spotting ai isnt exactly the easiest thing in the world
i had to rely on other utahs to kill tenontos for me
and after that i almost starved to death before finding a lone baby tenonto
theres definitely a food issue imo, but i dont think food should become that common either. Having to run around and actually find other players to kill makes the experience a lot more thrilling
low canopy
its survival game right? its expected to have it rough and its okey to fail at times. i've played utah like total of 3 times and never had any issues on reaching adult
ebon crypt
In the future, with more playables, bigger player caps and better AI, the food problem should be fixed, hopefully
paper geyser
yes its a survival game but making food near impossible to get as a juvenile is not the way to go about things. Food should be more difficult to get the older you are
low canopy
with random carcasses everyone would go to full adult for free and no struggle what so ever, guess what kind of population utahs would have at that point?
lilac swallow
its survival game right? its expected to have it rough and its okey to fail at times. i've played utah like total of 3 times and never had any issues on reaching adult
Im not denying your point, but is better not surviving because you simply werent good enought rather than because there were simply not suitable prey you could hunt no Matter how good you are
paper geyser
im not suggesting random carcasses, im agreeing with the small rodent idea which should really only sustain juveniles. Adults will have to hunt. Similar to deino with fish
server-given food (mostly) as juvenile, players as adult
ebon crypt
Tbh I kinda feel like with the new diet system coming, juveniles shouldn't be affected by it as much. So while an adult rex might be more restricted with its prey, a fresh-spawn rex would have majorly reduced effects that get stronger and more punishing as you age
low canopy
i agree that it blows not to survive simply because you don't find anything, sadly that comes mostly down to map knowledge and experience right now
paper geyser
Tbh I kinda feel like with the new diet system coming, juveniles shouldn't be affected by it as much. So while an adult rex might be more restricted with its prey, a fresh-spawn rex would have majorly reduced effects that get stronger and more punishing as you age
i agree
lilac swallow
Carnis arent restricted to their diet "meat is meat" the reason being that there is no guarantee that someone is even playing your prefered prey, carnis gets the advantages of diets but unlike herbis they dont get the disadvantages
paper geyser
the game should be made challenging and rewarding, but not so much so for juveniles, i feel like all that'll do is drive people away from the game
ebon crypt
I thought that all playables get a disadvantage for not eating their prefered diet?
flat crypt
i think ai can kind of solve that though? i see no reason not to have diets for carnis, encourages them to hunt prey they're well matched with
lilac swallow
No, the negative effects are only for herbis
ebon crypt
When was that established?
lilac swallow
Is just that carnis dont get the positive effects
flat crypt
for example, allo likes maia, but no maia players are on the server. simply have higher rates of maia AI spawn
lilac swallow
Was said a few months ago
ebon crypt
By who? I'm legit just curious
lilac swallow
i think ai can kind of solve that though? i see no reason not to have diets for carnis, encourages them to hunt prey they're well matched with
@flat crypt carnis do have diets, they are just not forced to follow it
I think It was dondi
flat crypt
i mean i dont think herbis will be "forced" perse its just that life is more difficult for them if they dont eat their preferred food
lilac swallow
I have to say that this info while true un its moment may be outdated
ebon crypt
I mean, it shouldn't be that they are forced to follow it, but are still effected slightly at least if they don't
flat crypt
and with ai i dont see why it shouldnt be the same for carnivores
lilac swallow
i mean i dont think herbis will be "forced" perse its just that life is more difficult for them if they dont eat their preferred food
@flat crypt exactly this
ebon crypt
It just kinda seems like more carni bias if they don't get at least some negative effects for not following their diet
lilac swallow
Is not carni bias, is literally imposible to follow your diet if no one plays your prey
Whereas plants Will allways be the same
ebon crypt
I'm not saying that it outright ruins your gameplay or stats, just small negations. Also, AI exists
flat crypt
@warped tapir tbh I think styra could work well as an inbetween for dibble and trike. a dibble cant fight a rex, but a reaaallly good styra could, and trike and rex are evenly matched
ashen wasp
mm. i think the way it'll work is that carnivores can survive off of any meat (barring Magy unless youre Cerato i guess) but by following preferred diets you get perks, to encourage players to play a certain way without forcing them to
lilac swallow
I dont think a player should be punished for something totally out of their control
flat crypt
exactly
but again legendary, ai
if no players are playing a certain dino, ai should spawn at higher rates to fill that gap
that way there is always a complete and balanced ecosystem regardless of who's playing what
warped tapir
it would be a bit like stego and kentro it even says "This small stegosaurian is shyer than it's more robust cousin but definitely no less formidable." just replace stegosaurian with ceratpsian and bam you have styraco
lilac swallow
Maybe when there is ai of all species and a good number of them carnis may get negatives, but until them there shouldnt be punishment
ebon crypt
Well they did say that they want to create natural barriers, right? How would they accomplish that if carnis are allowed to go anywhere without any negative impact? Again, I'm not asking for huge debuffs, at least it can give them way less nutritional value
flat crypt
i think the last thing carnivores need is more encouragement to kill whatever they want
paper geyser
Well they did say that they want to create natural barriers, right? How would they accomplish that if carnis are allowed to go anywhere without any negative impact? Again, I'm not asking for huge debuffs, at least it can give them way less nutritional value
this
warped tapir
flat crypt
yeah basically that. you get less food and maybe dont recover health as fast or something if you don't eat your preferred food
silver zephyr
gif
ebon crypt
Iirc diets will als impact growth, so that's good too
valid zephyr
I'd personally rather Centro than Styraco.
lilac swallow
@warped tapir btw, styraco would be a stronger dibble
ashen wasp
i really do think Styracosaurus would be redundant with Diabloceratops already confirmed
lilac swallow
Centro is just lamer styraco
warped tapir
@warped tapir btw, styraco would be a stronger dibble
@lilac swallow exactly what i said 😄
valid zephyr
centro looks way more elegant
ebon crypt
Don't we have enough ceratopsians already though? Especially if pachyrhino is also coming?
ashen wasp
at a certain point we have enough ceratopsians
valid zephyr
only new ceratopsian i really want is koreaceratops.
warped tapir
i really do think Styracosaurus would be redundant with Diabloceratops already confirmed
@ashen wasp styraco would be a bit like cera and allo. cera is better at running while styraco is for standing and fighting
lilac swallow
@warped tapir i mean you said "i dont know if It would be a weaker or stronger" i just made It clear
atomic karma
I think the game just needs more herbs than carnivores overall
flat crypt
i think it'd be interesting to have like, 3 tiers of food in diets. food that provides very little nourishment, and maybe sometimes has negative effects. food that's pretty neutral. ok amount of nourishment, no real effects. and food that is very good for you, provides a lot of nourishment and even some buffs
warped tapir
i think it'd be interesting to have like, 3 tiers of food in diets. food that provides very little nourishment, and maybe sometimes has negative effects. food that's pretty neutral. ok amount of nourishment, no real effects. and food that is very good for you, provides a lot of nourishment and even some buffs
@flat crypt yes
ebon crypt
Herbs just need to be actually difficult and fun to hunt
paper geyser
Herbs just need to be actually difficult and fun to hunt
this is why i like current evrima, tenontos are difficult to hunt unless youre coordinated and can isolate one out
valid zephyr
koreaceratops is at least different and unique. tadpole taco
atomic karma
they gotta be fun to play as for carnis to hunt them
paper geyser
makes everything so much more fun
flat crypt
but yeah, diets for carnis that have an actual effect on them are a good way of helping with balance in a game like this
warped tapir
the herbi to carni ratio irl is almost 1000 to 1 i mean of course that cant be in game but for like 100 platers just have like 50-75 herbis
lilac swallow
I honestly would just delete ava and/or dibble and let every other ceratopsian (taco, proto, styraco, pachyrhino and trike)
ashen wasp
itd be nice for diets to affect herbivores more than carnivores, with plant diversity and all. finding the right foliage to munch on can fill a similar gap for herbis that hunting does for carnis, keep gameplay engaging beyond just "find a field with bushes near a river and sit in ferns when youre full"
silver zephyr
delete diablo tbh
atomic karma
I recommended adding seasons/weather effects to the game that would make playing as a herb so much more interesting
paper geyser
^
silver zephyr
ava can do more interesting things with its downward facing horns imo
flat crypt
nooooo diablo is so unique looking. imo its between ava and proto for me, having both feels redundant
vast wolf
replace diablo with the ceratopsian thats not just big ava.
lament ermine
Styraco
lilac swallow
Also, if diets affect more herbis they get a management centered Gameplay, something that herbis needs because currently playing herbis is literally playing carni without being forced to hunt
azure wadi
No
vast wolf
because diablo cant do shit againt allo at a realistic size.
warped oar
is proto or ava planned to burrow?
flat crypt
well i dont think herbi diets necessarily need to "affect them more" for there still be reason to keep herbis moving
ashen wasp
Diablo seems fine against Allo in legacy??
vast wolf
ashen wasp
we dont really know anything about Proto or Ava atm
vast wolf
legacy diablo is 3x heavier than real diablo
lament ermine
Yeah, cause it's huge
atomic karma
Also, if diets affect more herbis they get a management centered Gameplay, something that herbis needs because currently playing herbis is literally playing carni without being forced to hunt
@lilac swallow thats why legacy herbs were so boring all you needed was herd and some bushes thats all the gameplay for them
lilac swallow
Also styraco's huge nasal horn may come with an insteresting hitbox and damage output for its size
flat crypt
they can both have a decent affect which makes gameplay for both groups more engaging
diets for herbs encourage them to migrate
vast wolf
ashen wasp
oh my. poor Diablo.
flat crypt
diets for carnis encourage them to take on certain well-matched prey
vast wolf
allo will likely be 2.8-3.4 tons
lilac swallow
I really need styraco
vast wolf
at least styraco is about the same size as allo.
warped oar
when diets are in and the game forces you to go to different environments for food, I think herbi gameplay will finally be fun
silver zephyr
"new dinos in legacy"
vast wolf
it will be like how i played pachy in legacy. run around all day and stop to eat.
lilac swallow
And has a huge nasal horn unlike any other ceratopsian in game
paper geyser
the assumption mightve been stupid but i agree with being more transparent
safe galleon
@rotund zenith the special event was playing and testing the new bug update before it was released with a dev, pretty special if you ask me
ashen wasp
yeah atm it looks like Diablo's best bet against Allo is preventing it munching its tail. hopefully it won't be able to grapple a face-full of horns
safe galleon
fulgore are you fucking weeb now? 
silver zephyr
no
safe galleon
sure
rotund zenith
Be as special as you want but still word it as so if you're gonna have an announcement for it.
lilac swallow
when diets are in and the game forces you to go to different environments for food, I think herbi gameplay will finally be fun
@warped oar thats the idea
atomic karma
the isle could use some more aquatic playables so that denio gameplay doesn't feel repetitive (fishing/wait for a dino to drink)
vast wolf
diablo is likely to get the magy treatment.
rotund zenith
Transparency helps, not everyone keeps up with Amaroks streams on a daily basis
ebon crypt
It was stated before that they will fix the hacking issue with legacy, that's it
vast wolf
some random thing that makes it able to deal with mid tiers.
flat crypt
tbh id like to see food with herbis work so that there's specific feeding grounds they can stay at for a while before moving on because it eventually runs dry. like, the plants can sustain a population long enough for them to nest and grow a bit before eventually they run out and move
safe galleon
deino is the testing creature to see how good aquatics will be as playables, if deino is good and fun we'll get more
rotund zenith
It was stated weeks ago that they would do something about it
lilac swallow
Tbh i dont care about dibble, what i dont want is dibble replacing in a niche something that fits that niche better
flat crypt
also means theres specific nesting grounds for each herbivore that carnivores can go to to find the herb that matches their diet
ashen wasp
Deino gameplay is always gonna be pretty sedentary compared to theropods, but at least with diets it can have preferred fish, encouraging it to move around
silver zephyr
I think its safe to assume we weren't getting new dinos in legacy lmao
rotund zenith
Just was hoping it was worded better then "you're all invited to a special event where I'll be streaming and running a server on a new branch. "
lilac swallow
I love deino, but people is overhyping It, they dont realize It Will be an afk symulator
ebon crypt
I mean, yeah. Another statement as it was released? I guess, especially if someone missed it, but they literally themselves have stated multiple times that they will pulling the plug on legacy
warped oar
maybe when seasons are added herbs will have to cross a certain river? Could be really interesting.
rotund zenith
Maybe not new dinos but maybe something else? You're kinda missing the point there pal
silver zephyr
what else would it be
paper geyser
current herbs are pretty much afk simulators anyway, until improvements are made theres not much to do
ebon crypt
What else could it be? You also yourself said new dinos
safe galleon
yeah what else would've they have said
silver zephyr
not even said. What else would it have been
rotund zenith
Who knows? The mind is to wonder on that one. All I know is that they had said they will be doing testing on a new branch of legacy . It's not to far fetched from those words to assume something different may come from it
silver zephyr
Like?
ashen wasp
mm. idk about "afk simulator", itll basically force players to be incredibly attentive to what dinosaurs are coming to drink-- a missed hunt could mean starvation. 'sides, idk about you, imma be prowlin them rivers as Supergator
safe galleon
are you sure it was not just you reading it wrong? Im haven't seen any other person have this complaint
lilac swallow
mm. idk about "afk simulator", itll basically force players to be incredibly attentive to what dinosaurs are coming to drink-- a missed hunt could mean starvation. 'sides, idk about you, imma be prowlin them rivers as Supergator
@ashen wasp with afk simulator i mean you Will have very little action except at certain times
silver zephyr
yeah deino is sit and wait mostly
ashen wasp
oh, yeah, sedentary playstyle. thats a given
at least i get to sit and bask in my own glory while im doing it
warped oar
there is no reason they cant make deino have dietary needs
lilac swallow
Not saying is a bad thing, but most isle players prefer fast paced gameplay and cant even stand sucho, dont know why the same players are so hyped for deino
rotund zenith
I copied and pasted it with the same mentality as I have now so I'm sure I didn't read it wrong. Was I a bit too optimistic? Maybe. But every time you here of a "New branch" one can only assume some form of update that's not just QoL. Especially if it's being tested by people
silver zephyr
too optimistic
safe galleon
^^
silver zephyr
we've known legacy won't be given content for a while
paper geyser
one can hope, get off his dick lol
silver zephyr
?
paper geyser
hes given an answer and you insist on poking and trying to get more out of it
silver zephyr
they literally asked if they were too optimistic
paper geyser
he himself said he was probably too optimistic
paper geyser
sounded like it, my bad then
ebon crypt
What's wrong with rex's legs?
atomic karma
Since the sucho was removed/delayed I think the Barry would be a good replacement and give a little competition to denio players
silver zephyr
ashen wasp
yeah what's that about Tyrannosaurus's legs??
is it talking about the rest animation, pfff
paper geyser
more 👏 spino 👏 saurs
rotund zenith
Would the spino be able to bully the Deino out of lakes and stuff? 
silver zephyr
Maybe
ashen elm
Bary won't compete with Deino at all. At best they might eat the young ones but eh...
That said I wouldn't mind Bary in the roadmap, but Sucho probably has much more done
paper geyser
i feel like spoon and deino should be somewhat evenly matched
atomic karma
Sucho can be a pseudoapex while Barry sticks with fishing/killing juvies
rotund zenith
I just can't wait about a year ish from now when a rex gets pack hunted by a bunch of Suchos while trying to cross over a lake. Would be cool to watch
ashen elm
But when is a Rex ever alone.
more than likely it'll be the same two rexes with a bunch of subs
Unless they are actually successful in harsh group limits without rules
lilac swallow
Actually bary is less water focused than sucho, would work like a fisher (instead of scavenger) cerato
ashen wasp
i honestly feel like Bary is just as unnecessary as Alberto, but hey. we're getting the latter, so i guess the former has a chance. id like to see Bary specialize in saltwater environments, like a beachcomber that ventures further inland occasionally. i just. i like beachcombing ok
flint root
@cinder plank did you just use the term "chonkers" unirionically
silver zephyr
lul
ashen elm
Throwing up is not just for overeating, it's also for eating things that just don't agree with your stomach or is toxic.
Lots of plants and even rotten bodies for carnivores can cause throwing up or getting sick.
silver zephyr
ngl if they made dinos get fat people would unironically do it all the time... whether its to be funny or for... nvm
frigid cosmos
ashen elm
tfw moose literally die if they eat grass
silver zephyr
flint root
Lol xd look at my heccin chonker utah with type 5 diabetes and is morbidly obese xddd im so quirky 🤪
silver zephyr
🥴
ashen wasp
apparently with the recent Legacy update they gave Allo its EVRIMA animations to fix the issue its old ones had with IK (i.e. the jittery leg)
silver zephyr
they didnt
silver zephyr
ashen wasp
still trying to piece everything together
silver zephyr
was IK issues
edgy hamlet
allo has a new animation?
silver zephyr
no
ashen wasp
Allo has its old animations
silver zephyr
its just fixed up
barren zephyr
Anyone know what paras gonna be buffed on exactly? Yeah sorry for not knowing ok.
silver zephyr
ashen wasp
regardless, Allo had problems and now theyre fixed, so that's neat
silver zephyr
2 kentro pfps
edgy hamlet
paras will be like the new shantus but in better lol
ashen elm
I mean we're getting Shant anyway
Hopefully Para does not feel like Shant and has it's own mechanics
barren zephyr
I just want para to be good in A game
ashen wasp
yeah, it's given the short end of the stick a whole lot more than it deserves
ashen elm
Para is ok in BoB I think but... not the best yea
I want Para to be fun to play. TBH there are some gimmicky but fun things they can do with the fact that it probably used it's crest to communicate
barren zephyr
I mean you can be good with para, but it requires too much skill than normal.
ashen wasp
basically requires you to leg it if you even think about apexes
ashen elm
tfw i made a suggestion that para could do a musical note mini-game and replicate a skuffed version of the JP theme
silver zephyr
give para echolocation 
barren zephyr
LOL
lilac swallow
Sonic stun
barren zephyr
Its damage is realistic, but it needs to be faster (OBVI)
lilac swallow
The funny thing with para is that before it's current state it was op as hell
ashen elm
True
ashen wasp
id like a super-wide radius species chat accompanied by long-distance F calls
maybe a sound-blast stun on a cooldown
both specific to Para, to specify
barren zephyr
Or a blinding intimidate, like does in ark?
ashen elm
para orchestra wehn
barren zephyr
Para good wen
ashen wasp
intimidating players is a tricky mechanic to pull off
barren zephyr
No I mean like a spook, it blinds you in a intimidation effect, like legacy nightvision.
ashen wasp
mm... not sure about that
barren zephyr
True, kinda farfetched
ashen elm
They have to be careful about ranged stuns or blinds
Hypsi will probably have some restrictions on it like it costing food or water
barren zephyr
It does
ashen elm
Oh it's already confirmed?
barren zephyr
Yes
ashen elm
Ah neat
ashen wasp
oh that is neat
barren zephyr
Lol dust changed
ashen wasp
what can i say, i like Sucho and i like the color green. this was a no-brainer
barren zephyr
Oh wait I remember what I recommended once, how bout para having a ram, like carno
ashen elm
I could feasibly see it have a side-check, but I rather it not replicate what another animal already does
ashen wasp
im hesitant about Para attacking with its head-- that crest doesnt look like the best weapon, or the sturdiest thing it the world
frigid cosmos
add cow
ashen elm
Crest was probably fragile IRL so agree
silver zephyr
make paras crest sharp and let it stab things
ashen elm
ashen wasp
we've got plenty of stab-happy playables
outer condor
add cow
Add cow
lilac swallow
Yeah cow are something really necessary for the isle
barren zephyr
I mean like a slower ram
ashen elm
If anything I think the Ceratopsians with ram things
And Pachy
barren zephyr
Either that or trample.
ashen wasp
Trample damage will do that
barren zephyr
OR it ramming with its body, instead of just lowering its head, and ramming.
ashen elm
A side-check is fine as a possible cc attack, but not as it's main ability imo
silver zephyr
add cow
ashen wasp
mm. i feel like stationary hip- or shoulder-checks, a bite, a front-kick or stomp and maybe a stationary tail smack should be fine
ashen elm
🐄 
barren zephyr
Or side kick, I'm running out of ideas.
ashen wasp
Para isn't really the most combat-intensive animal anyways
ashen elm
Yea if anything I expect a utility mechanic for Para
so the wide-range communication or something else
lilac swallow
You can look at para like a really fat galli, it can kick you, but it still prefers avoiding you
ashen elm
Keep the deer slaps, add a kick, and a side-check and it's fine
ashen wasp
Utah's a little rat unless it's in a group, in which case liberal application of crush damage and bites should do the trick, and Carno..... Carno presents a bit of a problem, but that's where kicks/whatever defensive ability the devs decide to give it come in. I think, like in Legacy, Allo, Acro and Alberto pose the biggest threats
barren zephyr
What's a side check ;-;
ashen wasp
thrust your weight to the side real fast
silver zephyr
para sonic blast that sends dinos flying when
ashen elm
It's like a ram but with it's side
safe galleon
I see no problem with cow
barren zephyr
Oh that's perfecr
ashen elm
Magy does it in it's concept art with Cera
lilac swallow
I would prefer the deer slaps as a more normal attack, less powerful but you can walk while attacking, because come on, para is semi biped it can walk while is slapping you
ashen wasp
though Magy has those sharp osteoderms
barren zephyr
*perfect
ashen elm
That would be cool. I'd be fine with allowing limited (?) movement to the slaps
Deer do it
ashen wasp
yeah moving slaps sound about right, but may pose an issue if it's primarily quadrupedal like all the images we've seen of it so far
lilac swallow
And less powerful slaps, those arms while hurt aren't killing somethibg in 2 hits
barren zephyr
Now time for dinos that aren't in the roadmap, mono, rugops, proto.
ashen elm
though Magy has those sharp osteoderms
True but a side-check doesn't necessarily need osteoderms to hurt or do cc
silver zephyr
proto is wombat
ashen wasp
reducing damage while adding mobility seems like a smart choice for them slappies
barren zephyr
Woobat?
lilac swallow
Also, I love that para is getting mainly quadrpedal, para idling in 2 legs and walking in 4 was cursed
barren zephyr
Oh nvm wombat I'm dum
ashen wasp
yeah i think the 2-legged idle was just to differentiate it from Shant
Woobat?
@barren zephyr eyeless winged Protoceratops when
barren zephyr
lilac swallow
Just like Maia, para should be 4 legs for idle and walk and 2 legs for trot and run
ashen wasp
mmmmyep
barren zephyr
Mono anyone?
silver zephyr
monos weird
barren zephyr
GASP
I made a suggestion to simmo once (youtuber) saying monos nose thing could be used like pachys but ignores weight lower to exactly the same weight as mono.
ashen wasp
anybody got a size chart with Mono on it??
lilac swallow
Around Utah and dilo size
ashen wasp
yeah, a little smaller than Dilo is what i remember
id almost say f*ck it, leave Mono as a small generalist-- what's the worst matchup it could have leaving it as-is?? it could be a beginner carnivore, like how Dryo's a good start for herbivore mains
barren zephyr
Wait oops wrong thing sorry
silver zephyr
barren zephyr
So if mono does receive what I said, than it can be a challenge to kill for utah (most importantly)
dapper pulsar
Cow is needed.
arctic nimbus
^^
ashen wasp
yeah im not sure about headbutting things with its nasal crest-- but what does Mono have to worry about, really?? Ambushing Dilos, i guess, pouncing Utahs, trample-happy Gallis. I suppose it'd be reasonable to assume it outruns Pachy, Herrera's no threat at all alone, and Austro's a gracile fisher
lilac swallow
Some crazy people suggested flashing light with mono crest when mono was announced
barren zephyr
Wtf
dapper pulsar
Maybe Mono blends in with cow
barren zephyr
Mirro stop plsss
dapper pulsar
Cow is needed.
ashen wasp
it'd be nice to see (or not to see, haha) a terrestrial animal built for stealth beyond "ooh, i attack when it's dark out", so maybe some sort of concealment ability??
barren zephyr
But mono looks grey and dull
arctic nimbus
all these cow haters smh
barren zephyr
Og concept, although not sure about sure system
lilac swallow
Some people are saying herrera will get camo as it comes with the customization update but I don't really think so
ashen wasp
not realy?? Mono looks greenish to me
barren zephyr
Dust what's kentros color?
dapper pulsar
I think they're just introducing it then because that update needed something other than a skin system.
barren zephyr
Just testing ya
dapper pulsar
Also they can't announce cow this early or it'll kill the hype.
ashen wasp
honestly I am sort of hoping for some subtle color-changing on Herrera, but it'd be nice if that happened with mood rather than to hide itself
silver zephyr
Some people are saying herrera will get camo as it comes with the customization update but I don't really think so
Who knows. People are assuming it cause its based on an anole, is in the skins update, and cause filipe mentioned it would have more than tree climbing.
ashen wasp
this mans.... what do you do
silver zephyr
https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401464048610312195/774401140082081832 here is the filipe thing. first read what he is responding to tho
ashen elm
barren zephyr
Mmm nasal crest does look smaller than I remember, oops
Idk I'm clueless let's just trust the devs just this once
lilac swallow
Tbh I think all niches for carnis from 500 kg to 1 ton are already taken, will be hard finding something for mono
ashen elm
I mean if its something cool I'd be open to surprises
It's just nothing really sticks out to me in it's design
ashen wasp
ey, i like to suspend judgement. im waiting on whatever Magy's second ability's gonna be before i condemn it, after all
silver zephyr
mono could have mimi- fuck troodon
ashen elm
😭
lilac swallow
Troodon really didn't need to have all mechanics in the game
It only needs bone break to have everything
silver zephyr
i just dont know why it needs mimicry
ashen wasp
don't forget about flight
ashen wasp
well it needs mimicry because ooooh scary
silver zephyr
plus the dude is nocturnal and venomous
lilac swallow
Monos nasal crest could have been used for mimicry
ashen wasp
oh its default calls are horrifying
barren zephyr
Can we just talk about future flyers (No quetz is not what I have in mind)
silver zephyr
Monos nasal crest could have been used for mimicry
lol when i initially saw his big nose i thought of mimicry
ashen wasp
i havent forgotten what Don said about coyotes, either
lilac swallow
Troodon already has 2 major mechanics didn't need a third
ashen elm
Troodon: Nocturnal, Venomous, Mimic
Dryo: hop
ashen wasp
what's it mimicking? a circus clown???
silver zephyr
Troodon already has 2 major mechanics didn't need a third
lol and the 2 dinos commonly asked to be handed mimicry have like nothing special
and then troodon comes in
and fucking steals it
barren zephyr
FUTURE FLYERS pls
ashen wasp
Troodon's real ability is yoinking mechanics
ashen elm
Anurognathus 
lilac swallow
Ovi at least has eggs stealing, mono may as well not be added as it lacks everything
ashen wasp
Anuro's so teeny, though
ashen elm
But it's so cute ❤️ 
barren zephyr
Rhamphorhynchud
silver zephyr
upsize anuro to rex size
ashen wasp
it is, but there are plenty of cute things that just won't make the cut
barren zephyr
FUUUU
lilac swallow
FUTURE FLYERS pls
@barren zephyr give me tupan/tape ptera and quetz and I'm hapoy
ashen elm
upsize anuro to rex size
ok
barren zephyr
Pretty sure some asshat said something about mistakejara but Tapejara is dooe
silver zephyr
tupa good
barren zephyr
Dope no doe
ashen elm
it is, but there are plenty of cute things that just won't make the cut
I'm mostly joking, but I could def see some of the bigger Anuroganthids as a bat-niche
Smaller Pterosaurs can actually perch too unlike the big ones
ashen elm
rhamp isnt cute tho 
barren zephyr
Who cares rex is a ass yet it's in the game
ashen elm
😩
ashen elm
👋
arctic nimbus
tapejara bad!!!! 👎 👎 👎 👎 super unviable!!
glossy matrix
phase two i think
ashen wasp
“OooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOooOooWWWAAAAAAAEEEEEEEEEEEeeeee....”
barren zephyr
@untold vault (sorry for the ping but) god DAMN thats a sexy acro
untold vault
It’s good and hell yeah thankkk
zinc anvil
@timber fog ali: So I'm wondering how a fix for hacking breakes so many dinos? Welcome to why they didnt try and save legacy
crude girder
Legacy code goes brr
zinc anvil
Also the "new allo animations" are not new they was just bugged and messed up and where not functioning correctly.
timber fog
I'd say leave it as it was then, most people get cought if they are cheating anyways because of replays and spectate mode
white torrent
I kinda hope cerato gets its animations fixed, they look so bad
As well as Dibble with its broken arm
median hemlock
I heard para is broken now.
lament ermine
hals more like aquatic compy
paper oriole
Halsz more like soggy chicken nugget
rain quiver
@remote plank @tough trout From what i was told they fixed a few other bugs in this update like issues with IK things. Which was one of the reasons allos animations were so stiff. Other fixed IK things ive noticed was the rex 1 calling making it have a seizure when you position yourself in specific manners in DV test level
So its less new animations and more something that caused the rigging to be stiff to not be stiff anymore
barren zephyr
LMAO i thought this was the fan art discussion but i read it so wrong
silver zephyr
DISCLAIMER the legacy bug fixes were just done by amarok whose main line of work (ai) is on the backburner. it did not slow down development
also about it not effecting dinos we cant play 1 of the fixes was to dryos burrows so it doesnt crash shit
barren zephyr
alert!!!! everybody that squints Halsz will perish 
thorny lynx
@remote plank @tough trout From what i was told they fixed a few other bugs in this update like issues with IK things. Which was one of the reasons allos animations were so stiff. Other fixed IK things ive noticed was the rex 1 calling making it have a seizure when you position yourself in specific manners in DV test level
So its less new animations and more something that caused the rigging to be stiff to not be stiff anymore
@rain quiver I will miss the spazz rex bug.
remote plank
I get the allo, he looks much better now, but the rex and carno looks super dumb with those legs now
vast wolf
anyone that complained about legacy being broken in #general-feedback gets a 
mighty girder
Ah I see
Nobody wanted to play the month old crashing version
so they went and broke the version that was actually functional
smart
silver zephyr
i mean it was just amarok working on the legacy fixes. doubt they had the whole team purposefully trying to fuck up where their playerbase is
barren zephyr
@molten tulip don’t let perception mislead you, the head looks bigger because it is tilted
vast wolf
meant to post the model there but i hit enter before i did.
frail light
Are the Acro and Cama sizes going to get fixed?
vast wolf
legacy moment
frail light
Hm?
vast wolf
the sizes will be redone in evrima when they get added eventually. dont expect them for at least a year and a half minimum probably more like 3 years.
yes.
theres a few videos on it. legacy is even more broken now and i dont see it getting fixed.
what do you consider new?
thats a patch that dealt with the hackers in legacy, but ended up breaking a lot.
barren zephyr
@molten tulip
dapper pulsar
Not really but Minmi, Bei, and Hypsi are perfect so I'm not gonna complain.
vast wolf
its just got flat back now instead of a dent
the sacral shield no longer pokes above it.
vast heart
Would be nice to see a frontal view
vast heart
As rn it gives the impression that its way too thin
vast wolf
hypsi is just a greater bird of saxony put on oro.
valid musk
But it looks like it still has the dip
vast wolf
beip looks good and so does minmi.
valid musk
Yeah they do
dapper pulsar
And it's perfect, I don't see your point.
valid musk
Minmi looks adorable
vast wolf
if we saw ankys render i think it would look better.
vast wolf
the dip is less of a dent more of a flat back.
the sacral shield no longer pokes above the rest of the back.
i do wish hypsi was more unique design wise instead of a bird on a dinosaur body. could have at least given it more fluffy tassels.
i just wish hypsi looked less like a copy paste animal.
arctic nimbus
It really does.
distant osprey
Im confused tho, cant they use existing codes for evrima? Like, take the codes for each dino and add it to evrima then work out whats glitchy?
arctic nimbus
Nope.
vast wolf
if the long feathers looked less flat and less like insect antenna then it would be nicer.
distant osprey
well damn
dapper pulsar
Yeah
vast wolf
Im confused tho, cant they use existing codes for evrima? Like, take the codes for each dino and add it to evrima then work out whats glitchy?
legacy code is broken beyond repair.
dapper pulsar
I change my score to a 9/10.
distant osprey
i actually wonder what happened to the dude who actually did mess up their code, if he walked away from it with no concequenses
vast wolf
porting over animations would require them to be edited anyway and with so many changes its just easier to remake them instead of editing an existing animation set.
barren zephyr
i love hypsi
dapper pulsar
I don't think it was just some guy who messed up the code
distant osprey
porting over animations would require them to be edited anyway and with so many changes its just easier to remake them instead of editing an existing animation set.
@vast wolf
Oh. well that makes sense
arctic nimbus
I doubt anybody messed up the code. I haven't found any evidence supporting that. Could be wrong though.
dapper pulsar
Wasn't it just the team being inexperienced at the time?
vast wolf
i dont mind hypsi as an animal just this depiction of hypsi is pretty lazy and flat to me.
Wasn't it just the team being inexperienced at the time?
pretty sure the lead coder was fired for being lazy and ended up breaking the code as he was leaving.
distant osprey
^
vast wolf
he also just pluged things in until they worked.
resulting in major bugs and constant hotfixes.
dapper pulsar
I mean, at least they took inspiration from an interesting animal.
distant osprey
Another thing i dont get is that they rolled out this anti cheat system to get rid of hackers and stuff but they dont get that its easy to get rid of the hackers.
Remove the damn hypos, that is what people hack for. But no, they keep the hypos exclusive to streamers and stuff because apparently they play them
vast wolf
thats fair. just wish the plumes were less insectoid and more feather like.
dapper pulsar
Fluffier plumes would be great.
vast wolf
the hypos were never meant to be accessible by non devs. the hackers were able to edit game files to make themselves developers which could have resulted in them mass banning people or other issues.
that was also part of why there were so many bot servers with hackers.
distant osprey
Why even put them in then? I mean, does the devs play?
honestly thought they were part of lore lol
vast wolf
the hypos were in long before they decided to remake the codebase.
the hypo rex for instance was playable back in 2016.
distant osprey
Aww rip. Hopefully it will be added to the game again soon, i really wanna try them. 💔
well maybe not soon, but one day
crimson apex
Wait why is there a feedback channel when this whole server is an echo chamber?
mellow maple
Beats me
vast wolf
so the devs can see opinions.
mellow maple
I just throw my shit in there and hope it sticks
vast wolf
if they want to.
mellow maple
Im 99% no one wants to see dull green shit from JW's Anky onto Isle's Naky
Fuck that thing
vast wolf
yeah keep legacy anky.
white spruce
I can't tell if the dip is still there or not, but if it isn't it looks fine to me. I'm cool with a little bit of rhino-ness to anky
midnight cypress
it's there
wise dagger
Paleops edit looks a lot better than the actual model tbh
midnight cypress
^
white spruce
I think he made the head too small, but I like the rounder back
wise dagger
Why'd they base it off a rhino anyways
mellow maple
Apparently
it's because they wanted it to move faster
Yes. The armored dinosaur needs to sprint.
Weird.
wise dagger
So it's not anky anymore like they said
mellow maple
Exactly
paper oriole
no way it'll be fast enough to run away though it's just sacrificing armor to delay the inevitable
silver zephyr
its still not gonna be a speed demon
wise dagger
Might as well apply that to Magyarosaurus now and just replace it with Bajadasaurus who can actually defend itself
white spruce
I don't see the big head everybody else is seeing. It looks normal to me, just at a bad angle so you can't see whether the dip is there
Or how bad the dent is
mellow maple
It's still present
wise dagger
I don't like that whole "Magyaros meat tastes bad so only Cerato can eat it" thing they're doing tbh
mellow maple
but I hope it's not a lot
wise dagger
Like, doesn't that mean Magyaros viability comes after it's already dead?
crimson apex
wise dagger
Magy's meat tasting bad won't stop everyone from slaughtering entire herds of them
lethal silo
☝️
wise dagger
So unless they take the dart frog approach, where biting it results in your death if you aren't cerato, playing magy won't be fun at all
silver zephyr
also yes, can Stego have a tail swing and not a stab??
why not both?
lethal silo
stego wouldnt have that much control over the tip of its tail
thats why they swing it wildly
its not like a cat where the tail has a lot of locomotion. its a fat lizard lmao
midnight cypress
if the stab animation would look better then I'd settle for it I guess, but it just looks gross and makes no sense
earnest blade
midnight cypress
prehensile tail stego moment
lethal silo
terrifying
wise dagger
I also feel like they should add Sucho back in to Update 3 if they're going to up and add Deinosuchus, because it's an apex in all technicality
Adding Carno as well is essentially adding in a pseudo apex that can just bully everything else, so adding in Sucho, another pseudo apex, would allow for Carno to have some restrictions on what it tries to fight
mellow sphinx
nah
silver zephyr
carno? pseudo apex?
mellow sphinx
then itll take longer to release
paper oriole
carno is just a small prey hunter he isnt psuedo apex lol
silver zephyr
also carno will be way faster than sucho so idk if it would have to worry about it
paper oriole
also deino is mostly limited to water so he shouldn't do too much damage to the ecosystem while being the only apex
vast wolf
sucho would probably just outcompete every other predator aside from deino when its grown as its about twice carnos size.
white spruce
@cobalt parcel That isn't how anky armor works. The armor is not segmented, those segmentations are folds of skin. Ankylosaurus does not have a turtle shell on it's back, it's a series of bones in the skin called osteoderms.
vast wolf
ankylosaurus had a segmented keratin covering over its back.
blissful onyx
@lethal silo i use to play a game were that actually happened and it was a great touch
odd vessel
my man Sucho has a 11.1 cm wide snout, it ain't outcompeting anything
vast wolf
just not like the one we got. more like legacys.
lethal silo
ooo really?? thats sounds amazing
vast wolf
my man Sucho has a 11.1 cm wide snout, it ain't outcompeting anything
it also has massive forelimbs and weighs 4.5-5 tons.
lethal silo
i got to see an actual sucho skull and man lemme tell u. those bois aint small.
white spruce
didn't know about the keratin covering, but the point still stands; the armor isn't what's separated.