you just go 'ehhhh no, bad game'
#general-feedback-discussion
delicate wing
delicate wing
oh don't get me wrong, there is plenty wrong, but I also understand and am going to be patient
barren zephyr
they took a year to make a clunky map, worse sounds than the original and add 2 dinos with cool animations
in 1 year
with that dev list?
delicate wing
because i am now seeing fruits of the labor
haughty cliff
Did you play Tentonto or utah?
barren zephyr
both
haughty cliff
Ah okay, I found it to be a lot of fun as tenonto myself
delicate wing
i like everything way more tbh
i find it way better looking and sounding than legacy
personal taste i guess
haughty cliff
I should add to my feedback I can't wait for weather and day/night, it'll look great on that map... I'm gonna go try to sleep o/
delicate wing
but you are free to your own opinions, gonna respect that
i hope you eventually enjoy the game the way you want
barren zephyr
well i think if u twist this to something good thne you're overly nice
i mean have your opinion but i think you should cristise the amount of time spent for so little
i will enjoy it when its done
i just think it takes alot longer then what a dev team this size should take
delicate wing
ok, have fun 🙂 Imma enjoy it now and watch the progress
barren zephyr
for the amount of content that is out right now
inner trout
I cannot play the isle. Not even the old version or legacy. The game refuses to launch and nothing that was suggested to fix this issue seems to help. How do I file a formal complaint and demand the money I paid for this game back since I cannot get it to work?
warped lark
very laggy game when dino is swimming
primal spear
It's beta, they ensuring that the dinosaur are polish, and have already explained their reason for not releasing everything at one time. This is quite literally a new game, he did put out a game with no content. (new sniff, rolling and hiding scent, body dragging, grazing) considering how much they did do and remember this isnt a large team either I'm impressed. Yes it's buggy but it's beta and you gotta also look at. What. They. Have improved and the fact. They acknowledged the bugs and are fixing.
indigo sun
@cerulean pivot Just give it a bit
It happened to me too, it just takes a minute or so to turn to normal
primal spear
It's not. Like dondi bought Dino assets, and ignore the bugs and just add. More bought buggy assets it's his work and the team. Not everything goes perfectly
inner trout
Rose I cannot. look. at. what. was. improved. The game refuses to launch for me at all. If I cannot play the game at all why should I not seek a refund?
severe idol
How many hours do you have played, @inner trout?
inner trout
785
severe idol
You're no where near eligible for a refund, then.
Steam is a dick about it's refund policy. And that's not something the Developers chose - it's just Steam.
inner trout
thank you for your information and infomring I no longer need to play as the ability to do so has been forcibly taken away from me.
severe idol
I wish you luck in your future gaming endeavors.
indigo sun
Could check in a few updates to see if it gets fixed for you, but if you wanna stop altogether sorry to hear you couldnt play anymore
severe idol
He's already left the server.
indigo sun
ah well
severe idol
Save a few glaring issues, most things seem pretty functional out of the box. That's a good sign. I don't want to think about the onslaught of stuff they're doing on the backend right now, though.
cyan rivet
I can only imagine, it's much appreciated though, I've played the game since the beginning pretty much and love the team and the game, I'm glad everyone decided to make a game they care about then a money grabbing scheme.
The time was taken to recode the whole game and people complain the first four hours its out
Lol
fierce dawn
bug, im stuck
mild walrus
fierce dawn
bug
knotty zodiac
Have to say I love the new graphics and all, Dispite a few problems atm with FPS some people have oder server connection issues. But one thing that’s goten me down right now is the fact I can’t play with friends who live in NA and me being in the EU i don’t see the Official NA server to join them 😕 which is the most frustrating thing for me atm
Just hope that with the hotfixes coming that that might get remadeed
vestal jungle
@haughty cliff yes! noticed that too @ F10 not hiding names from 1 calls
delicate wing
They said they will be addressing the server issue in the update tonight, so hopefully that will be fixed
whole sandal
Anyone know what settings to use so the game isn’t super dark? I’ve seen to be having a problem with darkness depending on settings
Graphic settings
vale needle
Hi i uhm..I cant play the recode because when i go into it- it wont let me click anything..
I dunno whats happening.
manic badger
when will the dinos from the isle come to everma
spare needle
they are gonna add a new dino every 2-4 weeks @manic badger
so in total maybe another year
manic badger
alr thank you
fresh tartan
keep crashing after 30min i crash
Also is their a way to change my controls? My menu isn't working
keen trail
Why am I laughing so much at the misspelling of “everma” lol
eternal owl
What misspellings? There aren't any that I've seen. It's just "Evrima" left right and center
barren zephyr
Anyone got fuzzy grass sometimes?
lilac talon
alot of people ive seen are talking about the fuzzy grass issues- ive not had any problems but clearly other people are & it could be a graphic card issue @barren zephyr bc the people ive seen talk about it report their fps is like 30 or below
it also could just be something that needs polishing
barren zephyr
my friend has 30 fps at least and hes better grass then me.
I mean i just want it to be a little tweaked
it hurts my eyes so much
So it could be the graphic card issue?
know how i fix it? @lilac talon
i get around 20 to 25 fps*
lilac talon
i do not :c im sorry- it could be just a bug that some folks are having, it could be a resolution issue, just make sure you're all set as far as updates goes for your graphics card @barren zephyr
rocky iris
@last lily they merged suggestions with feedback incase you weren't aware. uwu but I agree with your suggestion. i'm gonna add onto it
hasty steppe
Theres somthing going on maybe in the way where the game does AA? but for me the game is super blurry @ everything on cinimatic 100% render on a 1080ti
FPS is good but i can't see very well since it blurrs everything
thorn saffron
So I played a long game as a Utah - quality was good, although Utahs currently are SUPER OP (both as a Utah and a Tenoto). Me and a fellow juvy were able to take down a sub-adult/adult Tenoto all by ourselves
They need some balancing tbh
median ore
Really? 😮 I've heard Tenos are crushing utahs left and right when I've been playing
thorn saffron
Maybe Im just bad lol, or dealing with inexperienced players (yours included) but still
Utahs are SUPER fast
sacred jolt
A lot of it has to did with tenoto hits not connecting, especially the tail attack
median ore
Yeah, they are. Tenos are fast, too. Idk if I've had any utahs actively chase me, but one did threaten me and I lost it.
thorn saffron
Im guessing its glitched base yeah?
Tenotos are stamina machines tho
You can run at a good pace for awhile
Good swimmers too
pallid hawk
Tenotos hits just don’t register so it’s kinda hard to play atm with all the fast utahs
thorn saffron
Oof
median ore
depends I suppose, I've heard utah hits aren't registering that well either
thorn saffron
That needs to be fixed (I did get hit a few times as a utah, so Im not saying that are completely harmless)
Eh
pallid hawk
Yea, this is coming from someone who’s already grown a tenato to full adult-
And died lmao
median ore
I did too. Got stuck on the beach and dehydrated bc it's all dense-foliage covered cliffs. 😦
pallid hawk
Ah damn, sorry
thorn saffron
Daaamn
pallid hawk
I died from a few utahs bites which makes much sense
median ore
I left my feedback regarding the cliffs thing lol
thorn saffron
I do get stuck on trees sometimes
pallid hawk
I just want something that can survive lmao
thorn saffron
However a simple kick/melee-hit usually gets me out
lilac talon
yeah i get stuck on trees often, i just log out and back in before everything loads and run for it- works everytime
thorn saffron
I see
pallid hawk
I spent all of my morning playing the new update and it’s 8am now lmao
thorn saffron
Ooof lol
lilac talon
i wonder if our dinos will adjust to the landscape, like actually lean with terrain & inclines instead of stand as if we're just on a flat surface?
thorn saffron
My last run as a Utah also lasted a few hours too
Im sure an update is coming for that - its been done for Legacy
pallid hawk
Yea
thorn saffron
I dont imagine not seeing it here
pallid hawk
Honestly right now I’m just worried the hit registry won’t work
lilac talon
I get stuck under the map as a raptor when my camera shifts behind as im drinking sometimes, luckily fall damage isnt a thing yet
thorn saffron
Im sure there's gonna be an update for that soon
Oof, yeah
I fell off a few long drops a few times before
Thank god FD isnt a thing yet
lilac talon
legit
pallid hawk
Yea I hope so! Everything else looks really nice but I guess this many people online causes a lot of issues, huh?
thorn saffron
I mean, its just been released so everyone is cramming to get a spot lol
Also issues
Such as login and "night and sensory" glitches
pallid hawk
Oh?
thorn saffron
You have the "night" glitch
Where its dark, but not actually night
And then a glitch that somehow prevents you from eating, drinking, smelling, calling, etc - but easily resolved by logging out and back in
I suffered from the latter once
thorn saffron
Np! Have a good sleep
slow siren
is there a way to fix the darkness?
slow siren
NVM if you have the dark issue just put post possessing on a higher setting.
barren zephyr
when can we change the controls ?
raw finch
@hot moat tenontos can Sniff
hot moat
Not while walking at the same time
raw finch
Ohhh yeah thats like that in legacy, yeah thats anoying
hot moat
Yeye. Its very easy to do so I hope they do it
winged plover
hey guys ive got a question for the evurma build i have a lil problem that im curious if you all fixed so i can hopefully fix it. basicly the sky is stuck in dusk i cant see much its to dark.
timber totem
@flat raptor i agree on the speed. It honestly gave me a little headache. It's like watching them run at 4X speed.
ivory lodge
can someone help with this? Game won't launch. I get the message: the game is attempting to launch with the optional parameters show below "TheIsle TheIsle"
flat raptor
Yeah it gets better as you get older, but the way the camera lurches back when you sprint as a juvi + the speed throws me off
frigid cosmos
my guy did u just ping every single dev
@mint compass
i dont think thats allowed
mint compass
yes
random imp
Doggo you neailed it... READ THE FUCKING RULES!
mint compass
i dont carre
random imp
then this is no place for you
mint compass
👌
frigid cosmos
kinda cringe bro
frigid cosmos
kinda bro cringe
random imp
he's just a troll. prob one of the 30 false accounts.
mint compass
frigid cosmos
bro cringe kinda
mint compass
yes
edgy harbor
@granite tree Look 2 lines up and you'll see, do not ping devs.
random imp
devs are very busy fixing the bugs
granite tree
@edgy harbor where do I see that?
random imp
lets try to disturb them the least possible
edgy harbor
I guess you don't 🙂
granite tree
oh its just because I saw other people doing it i will be sure to stop it
edgy harbor
Fair enough bro, they just need a bit to catch their breath after this update.
granite tree
I just see there came a new update to the isle and its 4,7 gb
so they might have fixed some stuff there
mint compass
read announcements
raw finch
Is there an update
paper oriole
Ya
raw finch
whats it do
pliant wharf
how come i have great ping and fps but everything is teleporting i literally cant fight anything
glacial lion
when is the next update coming out on the isle
regal orchid
Did they not just update the servers? 😄
rugged condor
@regal orchid the ting is they HAVE tested it with the Q/A and CC's so screaming at them for something they have done is kinda strange
thing not ting
paper oriole
They tested but not for the swarm of thousands of people trying to log in at once
rugged condor
yea
regal orchid
Things like -Fixed Admins permissions
-Fixed amount of server lists to find (was cap to 50)
-Fixed a way people were injecting to play as Ptera or Deino
Would not happend if they had tested it good enough
rugged condor
they cant test it for taht cause the QA isnt large
paper oriole
Yeah i'd be more upset about the other issues and/or just wait for it to be resolved
Not worth conplaining about something they couldnt really prepare for
rugged condor
Things like -Fixed Admins permissions
-Fixed amount of server lists to find (was cap to 50)
-Fixed a way people were injecting to play as Ptera or Deino
Would not happend if they had tested it good enough
@regal orchid the first one is difficult for me
the second thou is not their fault
dunno about the last one
regal orchid
How is it not their fault?
rugged condor
they weren't prepared for 100000 servers to be made
regal orchid
And that the users fault?
regal orchid
Good so its the Devs fault.
rugged condor
but you cant just point your finger at the devs for everything
regal orchid
I will when they release something that clearly not are even close to be working
rugged condor
some things they dont expect is taht their fault tho?
paper oriole
Even big companies like blizzard have server problems on expansion drops, and the isle team is much smaller than that
rugged condor
the isle team is AMAZING for what and who they are
rugged condor
tehy are amazing devs
thats development
finding errors and fixing them
they wont be able to find all teh bugs by themselves
the*
regal orchid
This fixing they are making atm should have been catched when they tested.. The end. That why you test !
paper oriole
How would they stress test thousands of people logging in at once
regal orchid
Simpel things as injecting ... how can you fuck that up?
That you can do pretty easy..
fringe sundial
they were testing for a long time. You cant catch every single bug.
regal orchid
Stress test..
random imp
man, go and code your own game, then you'll be able to talk like an expert 😉
fringe sundial
Everyone needs to get off their backs.. They're and INDI STUDIO! They just rebuilt the game from the ground up. Its early access, there are going to be game breaking bugs. You're basically a beta tester now, so roll with it and be patient. This wasnt a finished product its a step towards the finished product. A big one in all honesty..
regal orchid
omg.. here it comes.. i know better than everybody else.. Its fucking simpel.. If you test the things probably then you would find simpel mistakes like 50 cap on server list, admin tools not working and injection not working, i know there is gonna be errors. But these stupid errors should have been caught weeks ago when they started testing.
random imp
paper oriole
fringe sundial
People like you are why Dondi hates us. xD omg..
regal orchid
If Dondi released things without stupid beginner mistakes maybe he would get less hate and then he would hate us less?
fringe sundial
Im not going to argue with you dude. Go smoke your bong and chill.
paper oriole
You go do better then, show us
regal orchid
trust me im chilling and smoking, dont you worry about that..
Who is the trolls? Interact witht he Discussion instead of being the trolls sitting sending emotes for no good reason?
rugged condor
everyone plz just drop it 
fringe sundial
@random imp facts. I was done with my last sentence there. Its just frustrating that the team is getting shafted. Its not going to help them. They've been through a lot the past year or so.
rugged condor
^
lilac swallow
when you promise optimization but the game runs worse all the shit is deserved
fringe sundial
but its not..? I was getting 67 to 110 fps. And I play on a laptop. A new one but a laptop none the less.
old isle gets about 55 to 62
ebon crypt
Everything's fine for me too, try changing the graphics.
lilac swallow
it went from 20 to 8 fps
rugged condor
that might just be your graphics card or your PC
fringe sundial
Ive had no issues. Ive had a small lag spike that lasted all of a second but that was it. I didnt even drop that low during it. You really might want to check your gc like Gaming Gman said.
If its your pc you cant really blame the game. What do you have..? Id compare your specs to what runs on it via the steam page. (I believe its got the specs there)
also could be drivers that need updated. Are you using Gforce?
cerulean pivot
subtle bronze
that's a bug, last time I swam, I could swim under the water for a bit
though sometimes I couldn't and just swam above water line like in the Legacy servers
fringe sundial
seems like its just not registering that you're in water. Id report it to them through their bug reports. (Maybe..?) though I bet they know it exists by now. Probably will get fixed in a patch or two.
subtle bronze
damn, still can't hop back in. I guess the servers are still full to the brim, though the 0/60 is misleading.
vale needle
I know the box where it says a bunch of stuff and "I understand" button is important, BUT IM STUCK ON IT. and i cant play the damn game.
sand dune
Are the servers still getting an update ?
eternal owl
I think so yeah
vital tulip
Found this on a small path not too far from a big waterfall close to the big rocks on the north
random imp
click Insert, screenshot the coordinates and put everything on #general-feedback
random imp
lol
unreal lance
I've just managed to load into a server but I'm stuck in this position and cant move anything not even my camera.
undone pike
can u help me i dont know what to do
i cant join any server
and if i can its loggin and then kick me
rugged condor
hmmm try restarting your game
undone pike
i have tried but it doesnt work
gaunt osprey
Hi question where can you load the patch? . my game has not started since the update
vital tulip
Im stuck
Can anyone help me?
@undone pike the version of the server needs to end with a 06 not 01
You fix the screen you get if you just simply restart the game
The only thing is that you cannot join servers with the version that ends with 01
undone pike
well i click on 06 server but it kick me even the server had a 70/75 people...
marble flame
ebon crypt
@undone pike check pins in #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧. There is a document that should answer all of your questions.
undone pike
ok thx
rugged condor
and now this happenig even if the server is 06
@undone pike also 10 slots are saved for admins
somber sage
@jaunty hull finally, someone who doesnt endlessly complain, if only the community actually had more people like u lol
barren zephyr
oh shit this is the wrong channel isnt it
jaunty hull
rotund pollen
Slipped into the 'walls of death' trying to find water, haven't got out yet but the only way to move around in here is by jumping... trying to jump my way out slowly 😅 🙌
ebon crypt
@viscid wind Again, try checking pins in #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧, there should be a document posted by Oslo, which gives solutions to a lot of common problems
viscid wind
@ebon crypt I did everything, render scale to 100, graphics high or epic are still blurry
and for some reason I had more fps on epic than on high
ebon crypt
I don't know then. Try asking in general
barren zephyr
i think there is too much foliage on the ground. It makes chasing and hunting really hard only relying on foot prints and even if something is right next to you its hard to tell where they are...
maybe less foliage would also make the game run more smooth too?
spice elm
huh
sand dune
I wish they would change their mind on making Brachiosaurus not playable on survival.
it's a good dinosaur right ?
barren zephyr
yea way too much foliage it makes it hard to play
tepid gate
The foliage is probably the best thing about the update, no more empty maps where you see everything from a kilometre away and finally an environment that allows people to sneak up on others or lose their pursuers in a fight depending on how both sides play it out
vital tulip
@rotund pollen did you get out?
rotund pollen
@vital tulip nope 😦 managed to glitch/jump/run my way along the whole thing from one end to the other and both ends are blocked by another giant wall of death... SO...if y'all fall in 'The Walls of Death' accept your fate, there is currently NO way out 😂
barren zephyr
@tepid gate i disagree when running through the forest you cant even see your dino... i didnt say it was bad itsjust too much thats all
tepid gate
I understand your point, I generally suggest using sound to track your environment, I kept tabs on two people in a fight in very dense foliage just by listening to where the sounds were coming from I had no problem with following either one of them.(admittedly it might get more tricky if the person decides to stop in their tracks not to make a single sound)
rotund pollen
If anyone wants the location for 'The Walls of Death' I'll happily give them to you so you can avoid it and not fall in like I did 😂
languid dagger
the swimming is broken lol you just run at the bottom of the rivers and stuff
sand dune
@undone pike same happens to me
untold remnant
@barren zephyr lmao I got stuck in that crack on two servers. Couldn’t see it cause I was so smol and the grass is so tall
sand dune
When my Dinosaur list is finished, which section I need to post it
barren zephyr
I love my life actually
@untold remnant I had the same situation, and now I can't do nothing x)
untold remnant
@barren zephyr lmao yep. I was going to wait until I starved so I could play with my friends, then I just gave up, went on a different server and glad I did because I am at like 75% grown and haven’t eaten a thing lmao
sand dune
When my dinosaur list is finished, which section I need to post it
barren zephyr
Ahah I'm with my friends too and actually I can't do nothing, what a pleasure to hear them playing while I'm stuck in that bug xd
sand dune
Ok, can I post it here ?
tribal elk
wait so can you not crouch in evrima??
sand dune
I'll post it in here ok ?
round kelp
my the isle is not update
lofty sky
Are the devs planning on optimizing?
subtle bronze
of course they are
round kelp
as well
subtle bronze
so far, been having a blast, though I noticed that the longer I played, the more FPS gets drained
lofty sky
I’m new to games and someone mentioned that they “hope” they will so i assumed that the devs may not. Lol
subtle bronze
first it was a solid 80-60 FPS, even with 15 raptors or so in a huge pack swarming about, then it went down to 30 on the first Tenonto fights.
honest shale
utahs too quick.. as a die hard utah fan even i think its just too fast
subtle bronze
and then over time, it just went down to 15 FPS
lofty sky
Yeahhh
subtle bronze
feels like something is eating them up slowly, and it's not the environment
might be something in the game that's pulling all of that stuff slowly over time.
meaning once it drops to unsatisfactory levels, you may have to leave the server, wait, then hop back in
lofty sky
I have mine at 15 FPS on all low settings. I have a pretty good laptop so i was pretty disappointed but i hope they fix it soon.
subtle bronze
now, I was playing for a few hours, so it's not a total wreck, but just something I noticed as I played.
lofty sky
Yesterday when it first came out, i couldn’t play it at all. No longer than 2 mins. It wouldn’t allow me to even exit the game lol
runic gust
I run a server through PingPerfect. Is there a way to access Admin commands/capabilities for my server? I was unable to actually admin my server last night during the release.
languid dagger
mental spear
Emaciated utah...poor thing lol
strange mesa
Sticc
slim wing
median ore
@lofty sky ngl I have a pretty good laptop too and my FPS indicator was stuck as a red number 8 the entire time I was playing
I swear I was getting more than 8 FPS, it certainly wasn't very high though. Changing graphics settings, particularly lighting, kicked me into an almost night-like brightness so I ended up playing on Epic everything except anti-aliasing which I set to low to get rid of the blurriness issues.
hoary notch
tbh I was getting 150-160 fps and when I was near a whole pack of like 30 utahs and 15 tenontos I was getting around 40-60
but not everyone has a good pc ig
fierce dawn
im stuck in this hole
median ore
I'm not sure if my FPS indicator is broken or... what lol. This laptop is beefy, it can do 3D rendering in Blender and Substance Painter quite quickly, and can run Legacy Isle with fairly high FPS (from what I can tell - the FPS indicator there seems to be quite low for me too despite me certainly having more frames than it ever claims I do); I really don't know why Evrima has such low FPS when it should be more optimized than Legacy. I'm pretty certain it isn't more optimized than Legacy rn - perhaps only the game's file space is more optimized, but the actual running quality isn't.
fierce dawn
right here
odd silo
im not having any fps problems mines stays at 50-60
vast wolf
mines at like 30 and its usually at 60.
tbf the server i was on needed a restart.
all the map bugs should go in bug reports as well.
kind agate
Well, bug reports isn't open
shy sierra
glossy matrix
I'll post it in here ok ?
@sand dune post your list in #general-feedback
iron jolt
I cant look at any of the other settings besides graphics
glossy matrix
mhm
random imp
herbivores do not need to kill the predator, unless you are playing an animal that is built to kill, like a trike or a stego. Tenonto does not need to kill the utah. if you are playing to fight and kill, then Tenonto isn't for you. @brisk mesa
brisk mesa
Imagine being so completely detached from how players play games.
They just keep coming back if you don't put them down.
It's that simple.
it isnt about wanting to kill.
its about wanting to survive
random imp
tenonto isn't built to kill, is built to survive and stand its ground.
and that's what it does, in a remamrkable way i have to admit
brisk mesa
Herbivores routinely kill their predators irl.
Its normal.
You put a fucker down.
So it doesnt come back.
random imp
lol yhea, everyday you see a deer kill a wolf
brisk mesa
Every day a cape buffalo will run down and kill a lion minding its own business.
An indian rhino will run down and kill a tiger.
A moose will slaughter a pack of wolves.
random imp
herbivores kill predators if they are dumb enough and if the herbivore is built to deal heavy damage, like a rhino
lol and then you understand that a tenonto and a rhino/ buffalo have nothing in common
brisk mesa
And yet, a Moose being essentially a large deer doing the same thing?
mental sleet
Players are smarter than animals, we will kill our threats if given the chance.
It's a permanent solution.
brisk mesa
Zebras going out of their way to flatten lions if given the chance?
Horses killing coyotes?
random imp
zembras don't kill lions
brisk mesa
They do tho
random imp
they might injure one
brisk mesa
Their kicks literally dent in a lion's skull.
random imp
lol never heard of a zembra kicking to death a lion on puropose
brisk mesa
Then you really don't watch many nature documentaries.
Zebras are notoriously aggro animals.
random imp
during the hunt a lion might get hurt, but a zebra will never run down a lion to kick it to death
brisk mesa
They do so routinely.
random imp
lol ok man
and between a horse and a cojote there is a significant size difference
even stomping one accidentaly
brisk mesa
"accidentally" they go out of their way to kill them if they spot them.
Herbivores are incredibly aggressive in nature, there's a reason predators rely on ambushing them to startle them.
random imp
oh so now horses hunt down cojotes
random imp
they are aggressive of course
brisk mesa
ask literally any farmer
like
idk what more I can say other than the fact I've been around horses my whole life
random imp
what strange documentaries are you watching
brisk mesa
and they've ran down and routinely killed things that get in their pens
brisk mesa
some people close by keep Ostritches or Emus as well as pest control.
They put them in the pens with sheep and goats.
Kill all the coyotes
random imp
you are comparing animals that have nothing to do with a tenonto
brisk mesa
You are as well, and you did initially, using a deer as an anectdote.
random imp
tenonto does his job well, kicking utah's butt
brisk mesa
There is no large modern ave or reptile that fills an ecological niche akin to a Tenonto.
Nor has a relation to a predator as Utahs do.
random imp
but he does not need to kill every utah he meet
brisk mesa
Never said he does.
I said if attacked, he needs to be able to finish the fight, period.
Or else the Utah keeps coming back and eventually wins out.
I don't think Tenontos need the tools to go out of their way to kill Utahs.
I DO think they need to be able to put a fucker down who attacks them.
Which they cannot unless the Utah genuinely has brain damage.
random imp
but he already kills utahs if given the chance, in 2 days i destroyed whole packs
sterile meteor
That's a problem in legacy branch too, though. Fast bois can just retreat and wear people down.
random imp
maybe i met only retarded utahs
random imp
that is a possibility
brisk mesa
the para has nothing it can do to stop carnos from just
retreating and coming back
as carno I've wiped herds of para, on alt turn servers...
random imp
just wait till para can tackle who comes near it and put it on the ground
then kick it to dust
brisk mesa
Hence why I said CC will largely fix these issues
if a Tenonto's kick knocks a Utah down...
sterile meteor
I think it's dumb that a sprinter has boatloads of stamina.
brisk mesa
then there's no issue with it being able to casually run away
yeah current stamina are all p yikes
the map is smaller than thenyaw atm
sterile meteor
Animals cannot run at full speed for very long.
brisk mesa
5x5 kmh
and the trot speeds are all insanely good
so idk why everything can run for ages lol
also part of the problem ig
cosmic lake
Cause the real map is 16x16
sterile meteor
Sprint speed should fall over time, and need to be restored just like stamina.
brisk mesa
Or just decrease runtimes overall, honestly.
sterile meteor
Maybe
brisk mesa
Up stamina regen from resting and maybe standing as well
high cobalt
maybe scale with the stamina bar?
brisk mesa
that'd be interesting lol
sterile meteor
Hmmm
brisk mesa
fatass neckbeard Tenonto on 10 stamina slowly wheezing along
sterile meteor
That'd make stam an even more important resource.
high cobalt
mm not necessarily in a linear way, could be more complex
high cobalt
just throwing ideas
sterile meteor
I like the idea.
brisk mesa
Yeah its certainly not the worst idea I've heard and believe me I've heard some bad ideas.
xD
sterile meteor
Matchups wouldnt be as straightforward. Like you can't just go "oh my dino is faster than that so I'll just run it down." If your stam isn't full you might not be fast enough to catch it.
high cobalt
fights would heavily rely on stamina management, giving it a more strategic aproach
sterile meteor
Fighting already uses more stam as it is, too.
Also humans might have the advantage of their speed never dropping as they run.
acoustic basin
@tribal elk Press F10 while ingame :3 it hides all of the windows!
steady sage
@earnest perch For me it seemed to be a mutual bug for everyone I was playing with. I've been getting consistent 50-60 fps, and my ping has been fine.
On top of that, combat as a tenonto is unfair mainly because you feel like a sitting duck atm, mainly because of lag and bad servers.
acoustic basin
@drifting gulch #723290219826249819
drifting gulch
It says it’s read only
steady sage
I'd say the worst part about teno v utah combat is just the unbalance.
While Teno SHOULD be a challenge because it's bigger and stronger overall, most of it's attacks don't do enough damage. You're also not fast enough to run away.
As well as that- No rules, so.. Gamma is a thing.
acoustic basin
Oh I didn't notice that, Kybing! Hmmm
steady sage
So as a juvie teno, unless you find an abandoned part of the map or GODLIKE hiding place, you are doomed to be found and killed.
still sierra
@indigo sun Its just preference and how hard is it to make it so this "feature" doesnt turn off its literally not hard
earnest perch
Didnt have an issue survivng as Teno. They have very strong attack. Dont camp lake or rivers
brittle ivy
@earnest perch Alt is now your free-cam controller. Holding while moving allows you to freely look in all directions while moving and not changing your direction.
cyan flame
@low meteor No thank you, last thing we need is to encourage people to kill mindlessly. You can keep count yourself if you need to know how many you killed.
still sierra
Yeah but the difficulty isnt the issue (i dont think its that hard) its the enjoyment of the game
i would much rather enjoy the game without that feature and i know a lot of others agree with me
thats why i said it was a suggestion for people who play the game because they should be concerned on making their players happy and its not really a big deal
delicate wing
Dondi has said it was meant to be implemented from the start, so it's not going anywhere
still sierra
ok whatever i was just stating my mind hoping one of the devs saw it and reconsidered it because alt turn fucking sucks
delicate wing
I prefer it tbh, stops assriding
still sierra
lol you aint gotta say anything its just a combat preference
sure it sucks to be me
brittle ivy
@tribal elk Press F10 to hide the HUD for screenshots.
shadow vine
Its a good update for being the bare bones of the game... but why’d the devs hype it up so much since January? Cause it’s really not worth that hype at all. Until actual mechanics and proper fixing is done.
random imp
guys, i have a question, when logging into a server do you manage to play without interruptions for hours or sometimes, between 5- 30 minutes the server crash and without a warning you are back to the " I understand" page?
delicate wing
I am, played on a couple different ones for hours at a time
random imp
because i can't understand if it's a prob with my pc or is for everyone an issue
there is the "memory bug" with servers that make them crash, but i do not understand why some people mamage to stay online
frigid pawn
Any idea of the schedule for feature rollouts? After a couple hours of play I found very little salient gameplay, and logged off. Technical issues aside, there's just not enough there to make me want to play the game, and I'm wondering how long I need to wait before I revisit The Isle?
iron star
@shadow vine Yes 100 % agree they need a
communication Manager for sure...
thorny crag
I love the new free looking around
acoustic basin
@barren zephyr #pinned-troubleshooting
barren zephyr
ok thanks
languid crown
@brisk mesa i agree, tenonto is strong, but it has no way to deal with persistent predators, damage is just an arbritary number a utah can heal off in a bush somewhere, it doesnt feel pain, there is no incentive to not getting hit other then dying. And since a utah can take 2 max damage tenonto attacks it can safely run in and output damage, and then run heal it off while his pack mate cycles in. IMO tenonto tail slam should either be an instant kill to the head or smash utah into the ground, increasing tenontos collision box through a portion of the tail to stop the run throughs. Another issue is combat logging, its instant and has no consequences, and unless you can 1 shot your prey its just going to log. Juvi utahs are also incredibly fast, their hitbox is tiny and they just vanish. Killing them is impossible unless you land a pounce while they are still under the illusion that you care about them.
All of this culminates in giant utah packs wiping out every tenonto and then promptly starving and eating eachother because nothing else is around.
Damage needs to be significant and have lasting consequences, pounce needs to be buffed to actually be somewhat vaiable, and tenonto needs to be able to either put a utah down in a single move or disable him for an extended period of time
barren zephyr
The update somehow made the game even more boring than the legacy walking sims, dont bother switching branches
low meteor
@cyan flame i bet ur one of those erp people who like to afk grow and rather kill ai then players on a hardcore survival game lol ur meant to hunt players stop trying to save ur dino all the time when u can regrow it
thorn saffron
We have to remember that this game was released just YESTERDAY - and its hasn't even been 24 hrs yet lol. They'll be sure to fix and add more stuff soon
cyan flame
@low meteor As you said, it's hardcore survival, as in, focus on your own survival, not focus on killing others. It's not a deathmatch, and so there's no need for any kill counter or other such. Yes, you're meant to hunt (as carnivore), you're also meant to survive, regrowing just means you failed the one imperative you had, which was to remain alive.
Aside from that, I have no issue hunting players, or for that matter good ai, when we get that, since I will need food eventually as a carnivore. Afkgrowing is boring, I much prefer to be out and about when that's possible without dying the moment something bigger sees me no matter what. And I don't erp, which in any case has no relevance to the argument anyway.
icy lion
@high flicker @thorn saffron theres literally a roadmap coming out within the weekend
delicate tulip
@high flicker iirc a roadmap is meant to come out today
high flicker
Oh real, thanks for the information!
delicate tulip
Though I could be wrong, I just just remember hearing about it, hopefully I'm right
sudden snow
I must say I really liked what I saw and played from EVRIMA so far. I have succesfully grown a Tenonto to full size, the hind kick was really neat and I am sure this will come in handy, havent really had a chance as utahs are avoiding me, which is nice.
The build clearly reinforces its lacking in features (great note at the main menu btw, keep it there lol), but once you see the foundation as it is, I can at least tell that the game looks so much better than before. I also noticed a performance improvement that is significant compared to "now old Isle".
I need more time with it, still need to try utah (dont really want to, because Tenonto is so much cooler right now, its new after all).
The scent mechanic with particles is so much better than the old one, I can now tell what is closer to me and I love how it scales with my status.
high flicker
But also praise, it looks magical, and the new animations and co ... just awesome !! Keep it up, it'll be great
acoustic basin
@thorn saffron @high flicker Usually they want us here when we do discussion like you're doing in #general-feedback :3
thorn saffron
Evirma's foundation is great.
delicate tulip
I wouldn't say it looks magical
thorn saffron
@acoustic basin I do not wish to wait a min in between sentences so lol
acoustic basin
You don't have to wait a min here lol
thorn saffron
Ik lol
delicate tulip
Nor is it magical to run, having two fifths of your screen empty just to get above 60fps isn't great
thorn saffron
Exactly why Ill be remaining here for the time being
Im sure performance will improve too
acoustic basin
That's what I meant xD When you were talking to @high flicker in Feedback is what I'm talkin about
delicate tulip
That needs to be made a priority
high flicker
hmm okay, i have an average of 80-100fps with an rtx2070
thorn saffron
For me, Fps is usually stable - above 60 fps - although I noticed one time that when Im close to a water fall that it falls a little closer to 30 then anything. Still very much playable but yeah, still should be fixed
delicate tulip
On legacy the game ran smoothly on high settings for me, averaged 70fps even at gf but the same can't be said for evrima
waxen gazelle
ok, the update is very beautiful, and I'm very excited, but it has the same problem that is getting in the way, the fps is very bad, poorly optimized I would say, I just want you to fix this please! out this is very good
delicate tulip
^^
high flicker
Yes okay, but legacy also requires less graphics power!
delicate tulip
Quite fuzzy and pixelated as well
thorn saffron
Its gonna be all fixed eventually
sudden snow
whats nice about EVRIMA is that the map now looks on par with the creatures.
thorn saffron
Agreed @sudden snow I am really digging the map
covert birch
iirc a roadmap is meant to come out today
Roadmap is tomorrow
Today para said was the deadline for when kissen and dondi had to choose what to put on the roadmap
thorn saffron
F A N T A S T I C
high flicker
Will the roadmap be announced here on Discord?
covert birch
Idk why it wouldnt
But since its on the website
And how laggy the website is based on the store stuff going on rn, doubt most will get a proper look at it
high flicker
Regarding the patch, I tried to inquire on the site, unfortunately I had hardly found any information :)
But I'm going to be surprised. Thank you have a nice evening / day!
wary vector
I am sure people are having trouble getting into the game just like me. does anybody know what to do? i have been following the update for months and I cant even play it
thorn saffron
@keen trail - Ik some bushes that are near a swamp area of the map.
civic sky
This is my personal experience, but the dynamic between tenanto and utah is basically, when both are full grown and all is absolutely even, tenanto stomps a single utah but if that utah has some friends then that tenanto is doomed. I hope this is intentional because this is a fantastic balance between the two. Yes, even after the actual combat is included i hope this balance remains between the two.
tawdry spire
I don't know about the "balance" you're talking about. As a utah, i 1v1 a tenanto (both full adult) and won pretty easily. He couldn't run away as i was faster and his attack barely hit more than twice during the fight.
crisp elk
Tenontos are actually quite weak right now
I was a 1,200 kg Tenonto and was killed with ease by a Utah 4x smaller than me, I can only imagine a weight system isnt in place yet, it took around 10 hits for it to kill me. I hit it around 4 since the server was lagging as well.
desert mango
i actually want the isle too enter private development for another couple months
last ledge
why can a baby tenonto kill a full grown utah
tawdry spire
either you're meaning a baby utah killed a full grown tenonto or you're just trolling
hushed shadow
@analog ingot this makes sense doesn't it? utah is a lot more agile since it weighs a lot less and is bipedal not quadrupedal
winter lagoon
just want to say that i love what you did with the recode, looking forward to learning the new map and playing the other dinos
random linden
Hey guys, I just downloaded the game today. I was wondering if there are any settings I can tweak to make the game look like what I'd seen?
analog ingot
@hushed shadow Yes thats very true and I agree, but thats not what im trying to say. Its like teno is having issues trying to move foward after it has slowed-down to then turn and run as u angle ur camera side-ways. I suck at explaining but I feel like the movement could be slightly improved.
random linden
I've seen videos on YT of awesome graphics, but rn it looks worse than ark
crisp elk
@tawdry spire nope. it works both ways it seems. I think there is no weight system yet
so its just dodge and attack. the pounce is actually a weakness for Utah rn. gotten me killed so many times
vestal rune
the weight system isn't being used for combat
crisp elk
unless its on another Utah
tawdry spire
i mean...utah must be 3x faster than the baby tenonto (at least), i don't know how the fuck an adult utah can manage to be killed by a baby tenonto except he's asking for it
crisp elk
Tenonto is 50kph, Utah is 100. but it changes based on age
crisp elk
unless insert is not accurate, I was showing 50kph as a small sub adult Tenonto
tawdry spire
hmm let me see real quick.
just have to find on what server my adult tenonto is x)
Yeah, my full adult is 50.4 kph
crisp elk
well there seems to be multiple things causing it. most of the time its a bad player lol. but there is syncing issues, server lag and no weight system. My sub Tenonto did like 200nm of bite force, thats how they kill Utahs so easily
which can all be fixed in due time, it is in beta
spring rampart
Hope you wrote it down, because you wont find it until basic lobby functions are added
crisp elk
but just some things I have noticed
tawdry spire
you're right tho, the juvi speed is still 50.4 on the insert menu, even tho they are definitely slower than the adults
crisp elk
Ahh ok, found a bug. the other stats seem to adjust
my Utahs bite force and speed is adjusting constantly
tawdry spire
Yeah, the speed adjusted correctly on my utah too. (edit : and the others stats as well ^^)
warped peak
Well to me, Utah speed is just too fast, it doesnt feel right
Tanto speed feels right, smooth
Utah's doesnt
crisp elk
Yeah 100kph is insane
sand dune
Utahraptor speed is fine, Foliage level is fine.
rare axle
I think foliage need some rework ngl, it's really nice looking for sure but
it's a hunting game and you can't see anything because the foliage is overwhelming
terse hornet
@lilac talon @sand dune #general-feedback is for feedback only, please take your discussion to this channel #general-feedback-discussion. I will be removing your posts from feedback, you may repost them in here if you like.
still fern
Utahs were fast, extremely fast, and if they wasnt they got picked off by anything, the hitboxes of tenatos is a little wonky especially with laggy combat, but other than that everything is fine, it is all here for a reason , they have more plans down the road for stuff, maybe the utah seems fast now and the foliage thick but imagine when you are taller than the bushes and can see over them you will want more covering you then instead of a little leaf, no more shoving a rex into a pine tree like legacy, foliage was a big part of camouflague and should stay implemented
lament finch
@minor basalt agreed, I think the juvie utah is a bit too fast and weird
lilac talon
The foliage feels immersive and should stay and the hitboxes of tenatos feels smaller than it should be or rather it just doesn't add up to their size I guess- I like the sniffing for the most part, the little particles floating towards you as if it were the wind blowing the scent towards you-- Utah speed feels odd from the get go. It's fine if they get faster over time as they run like a cheetah stride, but currently it doesn't feel that way & just like it's over tweaked some.
rare axle
Correct me if I'm wrong but there is nothing to mess with in the first place, I'm pretty sure everyone is locked with epic settings
and if you want a normal render scale it need to be a 100%
low dock
Are they adding colors back in eventually?
languid dagger
"Migrating over to a new set of servers now.
I'll update you all when it's ready for you hug to death.
Just Isle things"
Oh thank god
languid dagger
impossible to do combat with trash ping
barren zephyr
After the recent update I haven’t been getting FPS drops in fights anymore
low dock
Yea the custom colors
barren zephyr
I’m assuming they’re gonna work on cosmetics after the bugs are squished
languid dagger
yeah i never got fps drops, but everytime I went into a fight or just running around with people they teleport everywhere
barren zephyr
Or in the same update
Oh yeah
That happens very minimal to me now after the update as well
Before though it was horrid
A tento would be in one spot then move like on the other side of a field then back to me LOL
languid dagger
yeah, I just logged out of official 9 where everyone had 255 ping and it was impossible to do anything
but maybe the new servers will be better
barren zephyr
Dam
I haven’t been on since this morning so I’ll have to see myself
But I’ve been getting little to no teleports or FPS drops after the recent update
eternal owl
Same, I've been fine except for a tiny lag spike, but I think that was the server
minor basalt
@warped peak lmao you can get to adult utah before you start starving
and as for tenonto you can literally eat grass
and there's bushes everywhere
icy lion
@warped peak you know this is like..... an alpha??
warped peak
didnt you read the start?
i said "i dont care what you think" meaning i stick with what i start by.
warped peak
ill be uninstalling tell its fixed.
minor basalt
You'd have to be stupid to starve to death on EVRIMA lmao
tulip parrot
Or afk
warped peak
you real dumb, you cant read can you? i just clearified i dont really care about your opinion, the games too bugged, and you die to sarvation to easy
minor basalt
I agree you should have a little more time when you start taking damage
You don't die to starvation too easily though
you barely have to eat
icy lion
then dont put it in feedback, when theres a whole channel dedicated to discussing feedback
sharp mirage
Grr me angy game bad >:(((
minor basalt
and as tenonto you literally have food under your feet
tulip parrot
Not really feedback if you just deny anything that you don't agree with mate.
icy lion
theres a big difference between complaining, criticism, and not knowing a damn thing about the game youre playing
tulip parrot
"But you can do..." "NO I'm right!!"
safe galleon
are people really starving? I've played for 7 hours now and I have never gotten to red on the hunger bar
minor basalt
If you starve to death on EVRIMA then that's a you problem, not a game problem
icy lion
if youre not going to take advice, you cant learn, and the game will always be "bad". the game is in the earliest of early, everything can and likely will change, including hunger
and again, you can still play the old game
you opted into a bare bones alpha, more of a tech demo really
sharp mirage
Utah requires a brain I’m deleting system32 and leaving a bad review on yelp
minor basalt
Imagine dying from starvation and then not taking advice on how to not die of starvation
icy lion
"no ai was the biggest mistake" m8 ai is coming back
the ai dev literally live streams himself working on making the ai
@restive wyvern check under the Bugs & Troubleshooting category, im not sure if that specific issue is addressed but its a good place to start
restive wyvern
Ok, Thanks!
thorn saffron
Its just been 24 hours since the game released so lol
How many times must one person tell people that this shit is gon' be fixed and added in the future?
Btw hunger seems to last longer compared to the Isle...
Hadnt ever starved to death either
warped garden
"I died starving as a tento" LOL OK
thorn saffron
There's bushes near the swamp that one could eat
haughty cliff
I had no idea that grazing any grass ups your hunger, myself, I thought it was still "can take you up to 10% and prevent starving" or w/e lol, took me awhile to find out
thorn saffron
Again, once you know the lay out, you'll know roughly where the best places are
Also
GRAZING
Yeah I only found out through others here
warped garden
there's a key guide in the announcements scroll up
willow aurora
I can understand how a few people starved to death as a tenonto. Quite a few people didn’t realize grazing was a thing until I mentioned it.
ripe dome
Still takes quite a feat if you’re dying as teno. I don’t think hunger goes down fast enough to die before finding bushes.
quartz timber
Grazing has been one of those things talked about being added tho
ripe dome
It’s already in, so there’s that too. Literally no reason to die as herbie lol
quartz timber
Exactly. I was an adult on a part of the map with absolutely no food for 20 minutes before I found some by the rivers. I grazed to stay alive while I looked for some. To die from starvation is laughable.
ember thicket
I think some people dont realise that you can graze to completely refill your hunger/you dont actually have to find specific food, or theyre not aware of the ability to graze at all.
ripe dome
Frustratingly, the people who don’t know about the basic features such as grazing are also the people who are going to harass devs about everything they find wrong with a game that’s only a day old.
quartz timber
Yes, the same people who live under their rocks 
thorn saffron
Ive always died to a Utah or more lol
But yeah, I do not like entitled little shits either (Thats why I called out that other guy)
barren zephyr
You can easily hit the raptors lol you just need good reaction time
Kinda sad your dying to Utah’s when tento is literally 2 times stronger than it, tento easily wins the 1v1 and you can’t expect to win a fight when the Utah’s outnumber you 10 to 1
And the pounce is more situational than all the time use
This reminds me of when people expected para to kill a Rex
sinful moss
Don’t know if it’s me but is fighting really Brocken atm
carmine kernel
It is broken. I get that stat-wise Tenonto is basically twice as strong as a utah, but fighting is incredibly janky. I was just in a 2v1 with utahs and even when my head was inside their body I couldn't hit them. Claw swiped them when they got stuck running into me. Still no hits. Could be lag, though.
In any case combat does not feel very good.
stoic zephyr
anyone else unable to change anything in settings? trying to change my resolution to see if it fixes the bluriness but i cant change anything in my settings option
thorn saffron
Settings doesnt work for anyone it seems
barren zephyr
Are we going to get permissions to react back in feedback again or was that permanently removed?
I only wanna read suggestions that are worthwhile, cause its just walls and walls of text otherwise xD
Id I'm honest, so far thus update us really bad.. So much is wrong with it, from the glitches to the game just not working for some. . . my problems are mainly the Utah speed, and the fact you die WAY to fast to starvation/dehydration. Died IMMIDITLY as a full grown tento because I could find NO food and grazing just wasn't gunna do.
I really expected more edible stuff as a HERBI, you eat any plant, not just grass and some bushes you have to search for. If I see a bush, small tree, anything with LEAVES, I should be able to EAT it.
@Puppy Dex#5010 but that isn't realistic, herbivores in real life eat only a specific set of plants thats why ecological niches exist
oh he left
vestal flicker
@junior crow yeah, I've been having the same fps and blur issue. I've tried even changing up the settings but so far nothing has worked :/ we may have to wait till devs fix it. I have no idea how other's can play the game perfectly fine, I guess it's random
subtle bronze
people dying to starvation? I mean if you're Utah, you might, depending on population size, but from my experience on BOTH species, it's pretty damn hard to starve.
especially if you have Utahs working together? Goodness.
mighty girder
@oblique dust unsure if someone has told you already but
vestal rune
@quaint pewter isla spiro and spero are both set in tropical regions, and iirc it is confirmed that there will be wet and dry seasons
quaint pewter
yeah talking about an alternate map
ive heard that there are gonna be multiple maps
maybe thenyaw?
vestal rune
ye there will, thenyaw was more temperate but it may get a tropical makeover
quaint pewter
aww. I like tropical settings but i also like variety
feel like seasons could make the game more dynamic
vestal rune
ye me too, but in order to make a new setting they'd need to make a whole other set of plants, and that'd be alot of effort(unless thenyaw comes way sooner, where it may still be temperate)
quaint pewter
tru
languid crown
dry season is basically your summer, wet season is violent storms and flooding
vestal rune
damn I can't wait for rain, storms would be even better
magic frost
I'm hoping something will be done to improve the lighting for lower graphics. As much as i want to be able to play on cinematic level graphics, my PC just won't handle that. Everything already looks so beautiful but it's too dark for me. 😩
vestal rune
I don't think switching graphics actually works at all yet
magic frost
Hhmm that could also explain why my PC sounds like a vacuum when playing
pulsar orchid
@languid crown talk about feedback here, I saw you typing xD
languid crown
yeah lol
im saying this from the perspective of a utah, having quite easily both 1ved full grown tenontos and running them down in small packs, with larger packs you can completely wipe a tenonto pack just by trading hits, tenonto has no way of pursuing the advantage as utah can simply run away if its losing. Tenonto is forced to fight a fight it cannot win, and if at any point it is winning the utah will disengage and rengage 3 minutes later
carmine kernel
@quaint pewter idk, now this is probably due to lag, but in a fight I took part in earlier today my entire herd of roughly 3 adult and 2 juvie tenontos were destroyed by 4 utahs, only one of which was adult, because we simply could not hit them.
vestal rune
tenonto is meant to be getting a stun
quaint pewter
yeah yesterday there was 2 or 3 adult utahs and maybe 5 adult tenetos
and we couldnt land any hits
same with them i guess
carmine kernel
it's probably lag, but I feel like the speed of utah in general needs to be reduced. And tenonto needs to turn-in-place more slowly cuz its tail turns into a plank when you turn really fast.
languid crown
how can we fix this? 1 solution - give utah trash HP regen or trash stam regen, rebalance the pounce to make it effective against singular tenontos but weak in a herd, pounce should be the primary way of taking down a tenonto
solution2- give tenonto tail slam instant kill to the head, or make it slam him to the ground when hit (like a stun)
vestal rune
ye tenonto is meant to be getting stuns
carmine kernel
part of the problem with tenonto is the delay with attacks and the fact that turning ever so slightly in place will cause you to bite instead of claw.
languid crown
@chrome frigate allo steamrolls everything, dondi talked about this
chrome frigate
@chrome frigate allo steamrolls everything, dondi talked about this
@languid crown Yeah i know lol. I was just suggesting it since he wants to create a somewhat natural-esc ecosystem, and there's nothing more natural than a stego/allo. i know its not likely but it was just a suggestion
worldly arch
the a.i is a MUST.should be already implemented in the game before the game being launched.also the compass.there are also glitches.u kill something next to the river's shore and in some cases u cant eat it because when u press e u just take a mud bath :))
chrome frigate
the a.i is a MUST.should be already implemented in the game before the game being launched.also the compass.there are also glitches.u kill something next to the river's shore and in some cases u cant eat it because when u press e u just take a mud bath :))
@worldly arch correct me if im wrong but can't you drag the body away from the mud to eat it?
worldly arch
nope
vestal rune
the map is small rn so AI isn't really necessary
worldly arch
happened 1 time i tried to drag and nothing
ai is a MUST.the jungle is thick and trust me u will walk around alot until u will find something to eat
also it would be nice to raise the number of players that can join a server
3 mil useless servers instead of 100(metaphor)
vestal rune
it's not that simple
worldly arch
i know
vestal rune
servers are already struggling with 60 players
worldly arch
to do that u need to rewrite the codes and also i dont know what server do u use to store all the logs but u should get a stronger one
able to store more data
and before the launch u should create a nice trial version where u and other players should test the hell out of it(no disrespect here is just my language) to find and eliminate all the bugs/glitches
vestal rune
that's what evrima is...
languid crown
really? mine are looking like a minecraft texturepack
worldly arch
the stuff is real af.even if its a bug u should allow zero damage on falling from cliffs etc
brings fun to the game.after all u need to have fun in the game 😛
to continue allowing*
well for games like that u need a decent pc/laptop
vestal rune
fall damage hasn't been added
worldly arch
i have an omen so its perfect
vestal rune
it'll be added later
worldly arch
if it will be added later it would kill ALOT of fun in the game honestly
u need to chill and release some steam not acumulate more.thats why i said abt the fun part
its a survival but in the end is a game.am i right?
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr they gonna make para apex
@quaint pewter Did devs said that?
worldly arch
anyway until now u did a great job.lets see whats coming next and when 😛
quaint pewter
yh if i remember correctly
haughty cliff
ah man that idea, griz, with mine together, those are both great vision things imo, i love that night vision thing
ngl though first glance i thought blue was a butt plug
haughty cliff
Agreed the utah's head's too high/tail's too low and its drinking animation's weird
mellow seal
@barren zephyr im going to address your issues 1 by 1, and if i dont seem to answer one, its because i do not have an answer for it. (sending in 2 posts)
- you can't choose the sex of the animal, or customize its skin
those are both coming eventually, and are not top priority. since nesting isnt implemented yet, it doesn't matter for gender, and customization would be nice but is still just customization and is not NECESSARY for gameplay.
- the game looks too fuzzy and dreamlike, not enough detail is shown
if for some reason your game looks blurry, your settings are wrong. its a bug and its going to be fixed soon.
- zoom-in is too fast and jarring
i dont really have a solution to this one. its nice though as you can zoom in or out faster.
- the juvenile utahraptor sprints too fast and switches from walking to sprinting too fast
i dont play utah too often, so i have less experience with utah stuff. i do agree with this though.
- turning as utahraptor is like alt turning 24/7, is very distracting
they are meant to be extremely agile and maneouverable small carnivores, but it is a little fast and unnatural. a bit of slow down would be appreciated here.
- there is still choppiness problems due to the change in mobility (which in my opinion was perfect before) especially when turning, there are very abrupt stops as you run that ruin the smoothness of the experience
same as the last one.
- certain calls are much much louder than others
you either call a lot or there is some strange issues with your sound. teno calls are pretty loud (all of them) in adulthood. utah calls are also pretty loud (ive noticed) when adult. it might just be a child thing.
- 3 call makes the utah's mouth open too wide
its meant to be threatening, but it might be a little too wide. a screenshot would be helpful (i dont see utahs 3 calling up close very often)
- the animations are not synced up with the calls
something ive noticed myself and i would like fixed.
- the tenontosaurus sounds terrible, like a human baby crying
it is literally a child. you expect it to not sound like a child?
- no option to turn off local head movements
the menu is pretty broken in settings and needs to be fixed anyway. for now, you have to deal with it.
- the tenontosaurus tail should be slightly stiffer and the overall animal should have tangible weight to it
as a teno main, i quite like the tail. it does feel like it has weight, but its a little too light-feeling.
- THERE IS NO NIGHT VISION
there is no night, so no need for night vision.
- the models do not center their gravity around the earth they stand on, which looks very unnatural. while the ik(?) system was not perfect before, this feels like a downgrade
not quite sure what you mean there. i like the models and how they work. unless you mean like, they dont tilt when going up hills and down hills and stuff, which is still being fixed.
- the post-mud bath shine is very very ugly and jarring
if you mean the footprints showing on your dino, thats being fixed.
- the floaties showing the boundaries of the map are offputting and ruin immersion
its probably also being fixed. a lot of things are being fixed.
- the lighting is too bright and saturated, compared to the prior version, making the game feel less gritty and scary
obviously you havent experienced stressful hunts (whether you are the prey or the predator). its terrifying at times.
i also am getting off in the next few minutes, so i sadly wont be able to address your comments, questions, or concerns about my reply to your feedback.
barren zephyr
thank you for this, I appreciate it
digital bone
@small kite if it helps quell any worries or concerns, EVRIMA is only the beginning patch to a new road ahead.
Adjustments will be made, and feedback is being considered. And there is no need to ban you over something like that.
Both new and familiar mechanics will slowly be introduced as things are ironed out. Right now EVRIMA is very rough, it's BETA/WIP and it really shows, but it won't be that way forever.
Hope you don't mind the ping, either.
sand dune
@mellow sealDidn't you read the message when you joined the game in evrima branch. It's in early versions and you need to know they can add everything in a single patch
The main issues are; 1. There must be logout time in the next patch because some shit players are logging out when they know they are going to die. 2. Subadult Utahraptor trotting sounds are not working. (I really don't know that it is still in progress) 3. Juvenile and hatchling raptors are overpowered because I couldn't kill one with 5-6 hits which is extremely absurd and needs to be fixed (Tenontosaurus babies might be overpowered too but I don't know).
- There needs to be Tenontosaurus AI in next patch because in my own experience I can say that I couldn't find anything more than few utahraptors which I couldn't catch.
glossy matrix
why would they add night vision if there's no night lmaooo
quaint pewter
The apex herbivores should definetly be trike, stego and shaunt (once it gets reworked). But if Deinocheirus ever gets added I feel like it would make a better apex herbi than stego would.
valid zephyr
Not sure how stego will function unless it's fictionalised into a herbi apex. It's a giant and slow walking billboard with tiny legs. It's not capable of hiding or fleeing.
second a rex turns up it's bait.
quaint pewter
Yeah exactly which is why i think Deinocherirus would make a better apex herbi. But its probably not gonna be added
its larger and more interesting imo
valid zephyr
also cheirus is an omnivore.
barren zephyr
If playable stego gets nerf, We can have only one playable herbivore apex(trike) that can fight back apex carnivores, and four playable carnivore apexes(rex/giga/spino/deino)
valid zephyr
they have their own roster.
quaint pewter
tru
but cheirus wont be an active hunter
@barren zephyr Your forgetting that shaunt will be apex
if they add it to survival
spino and deino aren't in yet so they dont count
stego cant be apex because it has to match up against allo
barren zephyr
Will shant gonna be playable?
quaint pewter
most likely
if not shaunt then theyll use a larger para specimen and make it an apex
valid zephyr
even the largest para isn't close to apex
quaint pewter
ik questionable choice
barren zephyr
I don't think devs gonna make para to fight back carnivore apexes
valid zephyr
tubicen is 5 tons, and even if you bring it up to max rex weight it's not designed to fight.
quaint pewter
https://steamcommunity.com/app/376210/discussions/14/3344417497915968840/ not sure how accurate this is but it states that para will be moving up to apex
barren zephyr
I agree with Jenkens.
quaint pewter
yeah it shouldnt be apex
in a perfect world it would be
Apex carnis
-rex, spino, deino, giga
Apex herbis
-Trike, brachi, cama, shaunt
barren zephyr
If stego don't be apex, at least we need something else that can be herbivore apex.
Brachi and cama will be AI or something, not playable.
quaint pewter
bugga
shaunt is the perfect candidate for apex
largest shaunt speciemens were over 10000kg
far larger than rex giga and spino
valid zephyr
I don't understand how mid tier stego will survive
slow af, walking display board, can't fight off larger carnis
barren zephyr
Yes. Too slow to run away.
quaint pewter
lol its because the devs are bringing creatacous, jurassic and Triassic together
valid zephyr
^
quaint pewter
stego would have been pretty undefeatable once ful grown in its environment
but couldnt compare well against a rex
which had millions of years of evolution over it
valid zephyr
yep which is why i was so sure we'd be keeping big stego
barren zephyr
I agree with Jenkens again.
quaint pewter
yep sounds the most reasonable from a gameplay perspective
barren zephyr
Yeah, you can't think about realism too much with this game. It was never meant to be a realistic dino game, so you have to make some adjustment to make things balanced.
Yes, Thats why we need apex stego.
I dig it.
Me too
Some that were mentioned further up are too apex. You just can't find the same number of apex herbies and carnis that are roughly on the same level, especially if you want variety in the types of dinos. So either you make adjustments, or have boring dinos, or it won't ever be balanced. But honestly, speaking from experience, having more apex herbies probably won't do much. most apex carni players go for easy prey anyway, lol.
@barren zephyr I sympathize with your writing very much. Because most people like to choose apex carnivores that look scary.
languid dagger
@keen crypt Yeah, all of the servers do that..
honest sparrow
@alpine ether pteranodon has 2 take offs, The albatross take off, and a take off very similar to the quad launch
alpine ether
@honest sparrow Oh, my bad for not noticing. thanks for telling me. Never mind my suggestion then.
glacial lion
when the update will be complete in the isle
heavy dragon
@vivid rampart See the thing is that while I agree that a tenonto should not be faster than a utah it aslo should have an advantage when fighting one on one. Currently utah is so fast most of tenontos attacks can't even hit it properly and the utah straight up teleports because of its speed
vivid rampart
If the Tenonoto is in a herd and that herd coordinates with one another properly, a Utah can’t really do anything against them, even a pack of Utahs can get completely destroyed. Form a circle with the weakest/hurt protected in the center, and defend. It takes quite a few bites for a Utah to kill a Tenonto (I think close to 15 if adult?) while it only takes a few attacks for a Tenonto to kill a Utah.
One on One, I have seen CCs kill Utahs by trying to predict what the Utah will do and either turning fast or stepping quick to make them miss the bite. I think right now the problem that folks are encountering with Utahs is not their speed, but it is the little lag that many are encountering during combat.
heavy dragon
Yeah in a herd a utah will have hard fighting a teno but one one I am yet to see a teno beat a utah
vivid rampart
I have seen CCs defeat many Utahs 1v1. They have had it longer than us so they know the hit boxes and such more. Just takes practice at this point.
swift night
guys how can you test things if everybody is COMBATLOGING?? combatloging is back to fuck us all, someone know if devs are working to remove combatlog???
heavy dragon
2 days isn't that much longer for skill to develop
every utah a teno cc killed was standing right next to the teno or running straight at the tail
vivid rampart
The CCs had access for a week or so, but couldn’t show anything until two days before release.
heavy dragon
From what I saw even cc utahs were wrecking tenos
just look at sticky he was fighting an entire herd with a sub adult utah
swift night
combatlog guys combatlog theres a litle combatlog in your combatlog.
vivid rampart
Depends on which Dino the CC was maining 🤷♀️
swift night
tenonto vs utah who wins? who combatlog faster, omg how they didnt implement the countback to log out??
heavy dragon
still every single encounter with a utah and a teno has ended with the utah winning
vivid rampart
Dude chill
heavy dragon
tenonto vs utah who wins? who combatlog faster, omg how they didnt implement the countback to log out??
also this
molten tulip
Combatlog timer is a serverside variable and they havent implemented full server controls yet
vivid rampart
Absolutes are never good to use. Every single encounter with 1v1 Utah vs Tenonto doesn’t always end in the Utah winning. I have had friends go 1v1 and kill the Utah as a Tenonto, and seen it personally through streams.
heavy dragon
still a utah with the same skill set as a teno its fighting should not be able to kill it
swift night
if the utah is a good pouncer and the tenonto is alone, the tenonto is done, but he must play with his herd, its logic and realistic i think
heavy dragon
I am yet to witness a one one fight between a utah and a teno where the teno wins
vivid rampart
Evenly matched, no, but the Utahs that kill Tenontos are simply more skilled than the unfortunate Tenonto
swift night
utah must manage his stam verywell or he iis done too, after pounce your stam is low so tenonto can rush you non stop and he will get you
heavy dragon
also the reasons ccs died as utahs to the tenos was for vontent obviously if they play it safe they won't get a good enough vid
vivid rampart
Plus being a lone herbivore is never a good idea to begin with, and realistically speaking a line herbivore would nearly always die to a crafty carnivore
That is a straw man if I have ever seen one.
mossy iris
Without reading too much into this, I managed to survive two utah encounters as a tenonto with relative ease, but that wss because I was constantly running to decrease the chance of getting hir and playing aggressively from time to time.
heavy dragon
Yeah but you can't really easily find another teno since there is no grouping system yet
vivid rampart
I, again, have had personal friends defend themselves 1v1 against a Utah as a Tenonto
mossy iris
Most tenontos I see usually stay still and dont move around much
heavy dragon
still a teno and a utah on the same skill level fighting will lead to the utah most likely winning
the lag from the utah speed is just next to imposible to keep up with as a teno
vivid rampart
From my experience thus far and the experience of my friends, that is simply not true. If a friend of mine goes after a Tenonto and notices they are a good player, they bail because they know they will be dead without a pack member
heavy dragon
I have killed several tenos already as a utah who were running around and trying to use diffrent attacks
vivid rampart
It takes nearly 15 bites for a Utah to kill Teno, and about 3-4 attacks for a Teno to kill a Utah. Just have to be good at playing Teno and not have too much lag.
heavy dragon
and from my experience the statement that tenontos are better is also not true since I haven't seen a teno beat a utah
heavy dragon
15 bites is not that much when the teno has such a hard time hitting the utah
swift night
utah need to hit 5 times to make the damage of 1 hit of the teno, but is easier for utah to hit
but 5:1
vivid rampart
I have seen it on streams and I have friends who have done it.
I feel like this is going in circles and my phone is dying so I leave with this “Tenonto players: git gud” (not trying to be toxic, for the record, just sense of humor for me)
swift night
is easier 5:1 to hit?
heavy dragon
okay we will see in a week when the situation hasn't changed and utahs will still overpower tenos
swift night
if the tenonto is inteligent he can assride utah to death after the pounce. utas are low stam after pounce then cant run to much
heavy dragon
yes it is easier since the teno can't do much about it
yeah but a smart utah won't pounce since pounce currently is not worth it
swift night
smart utah wont pounce? loll haha pounce is the way to kill the teno bro
mossy fractal
@heavy dragon I literally had to have my herd kill me to play utah because i racked up over 40+ raptor kills. Not to mention as a baby i killed 3 raptor babies in a 3v1
Even killed a challanger to my alpha status
heavy dragon
I have seen utahs kill tenos without a pounce
mossy fractal
pounce is weak
swift night
bad tenos obviusly
my teno mate fighted 3 adult utahs and killed 2 of them
you can say bad utahs, then
thats why we saying its balanced, it just skill needed from both sides
utah is not op tenonto is not op
people must get op using them
mossy fractal
Raptors need to use pack mentality more and work as one
heavy dragon
okay sure good for you you must be a good player than doesn't mean that when player of the same skill level meet that the utah still won't win
mossy fractal
Teno need to just position better and get near water to stop the lagging raptors lol
heavy dragon
Im still saying that I have yet to witness a teno who kills a utah
mossy fractal
i mean come watch us, im utah atm but if i get on teno i aint dying lol
heavy dragon
yeah sure maybe not always but most of the times
swift night
come to my server and look al utahs bodys around swamp for trying to fight tenontos
xD
mossy fractal
I camp up at the waterfull, 😛
swift night
im a utah ive killed tenontos and died vs tenontos many times i dont know, i just feel it balanced, when i played teno y feel it balanced. we need to wait lot of changes will come but righjt now i njoy the game (JUST JOKING, NOBODY CAN NJOY THE COMBATLOGS)
heavy dragon
when I actually witness eonugh utahs being killed by tenos I will change my mind
mossy fractal
i mean.. check screenshots >_>
mossy fractal
well that is a shame and crazy you went through all the sSS already lmao
mellow gust
I actually witnessed a Tenonto kill a utah- a few actually
Big Tenonto herd and 2 Utahs trying to pick off the babies- they kept running around and biting then leaving to go heal- which also made all of us heal, so it became an endless cycle until one of the utahs died
then the other gave away our location out of pettiness lmao and all the tenontos scattered or logged
steady sage
the reason the utah is beating the teno a lot isnt because of skill, its because SO many utahs lag around with their speed
On one server I had 8 tenos with me, all literally hitting the utahs on the head with their tails
the attacks simply didnt register because of the lag
despite aiming pretty much perfectly
mossy fractal
There i posted a couple screenshots, had i know i would have this discussion id have taken alot more from my 5 hour play through yesterday xD
mellow gust
Yeah thats also a big issue too
wintry cipher
I'd consider the fact that the only dinosaur to have 4 attacks is pue up until this point. Players aren't used to having so many attacks and as such the performance of the tenonto is not going to look great at first, akin to how some champions in league are complex but wind up op once people figure them out. Hell- Kissen whooped Don and Para's ass solo when they were both utahs. Its more a stamina management thing and you need to take the opportunity to abuse the fact you have both front and back attacks.
And, if it is performance related exclusively, then that should resolve a lot once its fixed no? Also- you don't hit anything except the core of the animal. The hitbox is inside the hind legs on them both.
mossy fractal
That raptor you see standing over the baby dead one, he whined for hours, died numerous times to me with his friend, he became my pet. I fed him the fallen raptor packs
steady sage
Im not discounting that it should be a realistic matchup that takes into account skill, but a lot of the complaining is because of bad hitboxes combined with weird lag.
wintry cipher
Its not the lag- you literally need to aim for one spot on the body.
mellow gust
I hit a utah straight on as a full adult and it didnt hit it
mellow gust
And yeah it is the lag lmao
mossy fractal
Yeah the lag is bad, you have to get them to run into a body, tree or fight them in water
if they zig zag they teleport everywhere like a ninja from anime
steady sage
Even then, utahs will follow you in water, even being patient as suggested as a teno player, all I see are utahs teleporting from their speed
and juvie utahs? nigh impossible to hit altogether.
steady sage
from my experience they still do
mellow gust
You can also just starve em out xD
I dunno but, i have a full adult tenonto- the utahs kept trying to pounce and bite me, but they didnt land a single hit on me
steady sage
Look, the lag needs to be addressed first.
heavy dragon
okay so thats 2 screens of utahs being killed by tenos vs 10 screens of tenos being kille by utahs
steady sage
Because right now, it's giving EVERYONE a bad experience.
heavy dragon
main issue with utah is the lag
mossy fractal
you said you wanted to see it but how baout you come experience it dark?
Ill die get on my teno
and just beat the ever loving utah outta yoou and whatever pack you bring 😛
steady sage
and as a teno player, someone who has practiced, hitting a utah is a,,, id say
20/80 chance
also there is no indication on whether you hit them or not
they make very little sound and show very little harm on them, in contrast to tenos.
heavy dragon
im playing as a utah now trying to find a teno to fight
mossy fractal
ok come to life finds a way 1
heavy dragon
well Im not on there
mossy fractal
im a utah on here so soon as you join ill die and make teno
mossy fractal
I fight at all stages
mellow gust
oh i’d love to fight a utah as a Teno- 1v1 style. I wanna learn how to fight one- like practice basically
see what works well and how to fight em
mossy fractal
just keep them off yoru side, rear attacks work best cus of lag
fighting them in water is usually a easy win for a teno
mellow gust
how do you fight em in water? just chase and bite?
mossy fractal
yeah
heavy dragon
can't find the server
mellow gust
oouh ok
heavy dragon
yeah Im EU
steady sage
Thing is, fighting in water likely wont be allowed once rules are implemented in most servers again
mossy fractal
ill join no rules servers then, this recode makes water fighting a thing
not too mention crocs
they have to fight in water majority of time, ambush styule
steady sage
Aye, but theres probably gonna be rules against non water dinos and such
Like duh of course the deino will have this make sense
heavy dragon
ill just keep playing and see for myself I would be happy to be proven wrong
mossy fractal
Well i hope they realize this recode and hit box update makes water fighting a thing with body dragging
before you couldnt eat bodies in the water, now you can, well you can drag em out lol
heavy dragon
bodies float to the shore
mossy fractal
do they really?
heavy dragon
ye
mellow gust
Really?? cause my group of tenos i was in killed a juvie utah in water- its body was stock flipping flopping around under the water
mossy fractal
might have kinks to work out 😛
heavy dragon
I mean I swear I saw a utah body float to the shore maybe its a bug that they don't
sand dune
Also juvie Utah's hp is op
red oasis
True
sand dune
Adult Utahraptor supposed to kill it in 1 bite which now it can't kill it in 6 bites
(I actually bited it 20 or more times but only 6 of them hurt it.)
Anyways let's head to that dino smell topic
I think it would be nice to see both dot things and body shape smell
but body shape smell range needs to be like 3 or 4 meters.
heavy dragon
yeah straight up juvie utahs are pretty much invincible
ornate fossil
Pounce especially should be an insta kill
sand dune
Also it'd be cool detail to see the color difference between your own footprint and the other dinosaur's footprint.
ornate fossil
^This
It would make sniffing out dinos far easier
I run over the prints all the time while trying to track
sand dune
Ex: Purple for your own footprint color. Orange which is the default color can be the other dinosaur's footprint color.
ornate fossil
Maybe give each dino species a different color?
So you know what your chasing and it's not all a yellow blur
sand dune
Because sometimes they mix together and you can't know which one is yours and which one is it's footprint.
ornate fossil
But an adult critter would have a good nose
I understand maybe juvies having a harder time selling what smell is what
ornate fossil
If not a simple color change in general
I think the red prints were much more visible
sturdy heron
I think I agree with ace
sand dune
Or instead of different color when you get closer to it and when you press R it would open a small screen which shows what kind of dino left that footprint.
Like in the Wolf Quest
ornate fossil
As long as it's fast. Cant sit there and sniff while your prey is running off