gigantoraptor is another mid tier i'd like
#general-feedback-discussion
valid zephyr
paper oriole
Yeah i never got why they were all “hurr durr para is a deer he shouldn't kill allo he should run away” and then nerfed para's ability to run away lol
Hopefully it can actually get away from its predators in recode since currently it's giga food
honest sparrow
Giga kibble
frosty igloo
bruh
cobalt compass
i'd like to para as a good runner in the future, with superior stam and good speed to avoid apex' but be causious around allo n such things
honest sparrow
Yay runner hadro
Another one
That depending if they go with walkeri or tubicens could be absolutely fucked
cobalt compass
atleast that it isnt a walking dinner horn
covert birch
I like the idea of para and maia both being pushed to runners
With maia being one who stops a lot more when migrating and nests lots more (due to benefits it can have when near kids due to being the mother dinosaur)
And para being the animal which constantly migrates, has a good trot n such to push this
cobalt compass
aye^
honest sparrow
True
cobalt compass
thats excactly my thought i wasnt able to express
valid zephyr
pity para has one of the worst trots in the entire game
covert birch
And if that does happen the size of para (whether walkeri or tubicens) doesnt matter as much
honest sparrow
Still can’t imagine para having a good trot
honest sparrow
It’s possible and most likely I know
But getting the 0 stam return and being stupidly slow trot is just ingrained within my memory
cobalt compass
how do you think they can encourage players to use the walk istead of perma trot?
cobalt compass
make it that trot dont regen stam?
covert birch
Player risks slipping and injuring themselves if they run/trot on mud or something
cobalt compass
that is good
covert birch
Nah trot should regen stam, just not much
paper oriole
Forcing players to use walk by taking stam regen away from trot would just be annoying, you dont encourage people to use a mechanic by making others worse, you make that mechanic more useful
Walking should be quieter, regen stam better, make footprints shallower to make you harder to track
still temple
walking = no trample dmg wen
cobalt compass
^ good one
for me its a immersion break when seeing a herd in chill mood and they trot, that just dont seem relaxed...
thats part of the human behavior of "omg i have no time, gonna go fast or something bad happens..."
honest sparrow
Then again that’s human behavior, my dog will trot all the time
heady folio
@jagged sleet it’s a cool idea but is it realistic? Does that sort of thing happen in real life?
covert birch
Some carnivorous animals eat plant matter to help with sickness so yea
paper oriole
Isnt that mostly limited to scenarios like cats eating grass if they ate something bad they need to hack up
Not external things like bleeding
covert birch
Ik there are some cases of wolves eating berrys, but yea mostly for sickness n such
honest sparrow
Maybe not for bleed, imo it works better for venom
cobalt compass
venom curing sounds good, but iirc there will be poisonous berries and/or plants. so you'd have to look carefully not eating the wrong ones
honest sparrow
The one where the uncle guy is like “is it this flower or the other flower”
cobalt compass
oh yes
"mmm, tea from the dragon lotus is the most delicious tea, but it looks like the tigerlily that burns your stomach"
should the berries be able to decay so you have to smell its ripe state?
like "ugh, these berries were foul, but at least not poisonous. oh wait thats the others...shit"
or get drunk
subtle dizzyness and sound disortation, keyboard input is delayed/shuffled
so many possibilities... hopefully some of them are effected by venom
jagged sleet
yeah it isn't much realistic, but it'd be a cooler idea to combat venom actually
and I like that too melonidas
cobalt compass
thx but who knows, maybe its already implemented 🤷♂️
icy lion
@oblique summit
also upvoting/reacting to your own suggestions is generally disliked
and pachyrhinosaurus has been confirmed for the far-distant future
left nacelle
@turbid glade Any carnivore can fish if they want. Some will just be better at it than others
neat beacon
strange wave
troll
barren zephyr
Shut up
wheat igloo
What's going on in here?
warped harbor
You have to speak English in this discord.
hallow vigil
@oblique summit Hi, it's fine to suggest dinosaurs to be added. But if you are going to do that, you need to explain why the dinosaur should be added. Just saying "add __" isn't enough, sorry
strange wave
It has been 3 years since he put a new dinosaur in the game! I don't know, I thought this was going to be great in the next updates as it is a dino that has no JWE game, Path of Titans ...
quick translate of their first message
oblique summit
That's not cool! why do I have to give up my language and you don't? does it cost to translate from time to time and listen to people from other countries too?
hallow vigil
It makes more sense to have one person translate their message before sending it than to have everyone else translate it themselves
barren zephyr
Lol
oblique summit
@oblique summit Hi, it's fine to suggest dinosaurs to be added. But if you are going to do that, you need to explain why the dinosaur should be added. Just saying "add __" isn't enough, sorry
@hallow vigil ok
turbid glade
@left nacelle i though more about that juvie need to fight the fish :D
covert birch
Ah wait nvm, im dumb
oblique summit
this was well explained and understanding, we are getting somewhere ...
covert birch
Well dude new dinos are coming in like the next update, so no need to worry
hell 14 of em are coming sooner rather than later
tenontosaurus being the first of many new ones
warped harbor
Dinosaurs are going to be implemented and readded pretty quickly after EVRIMA is out.
Not only that, but they will all be a lot more unique than how they are now
oblique summit
the dinosaur I suggest would be interesting for its a very nice animal, it would have a different balance in the game, besides not being recognized in the games! I don't understand why you want to keep saying that the recode is coming, when the better, don't you think?
barren zephyr
honest sparrow
He was confirmed for far in the future
barren zephyr
@oblique summit
Had 3 years ago
honest sparrow
So was styraco and plateo
split snow
@oblique summit Maybe eventually: Acrocanthosaurus (Jake wants a remodel), Albertosaurus (Don wants a remodel), Pachyrhinosaurus (low priority old model), Shantungosaurus (Would need a remodel and heavy rework), Plateosaurus (Older model, very large), Brachi (AI "for now), Quetzalcoatlus (would need a rework), Titanoboa (mentioned by kissen/don/filipe 1/24)
left nacelle
@turbid glade That does sound cool, but if a fish is big enough that juvy would need to fight it, then the fish is probably too big for the juvy lol. Fish are strong
paper oriole
Oncho or even just modern sawfish would be cool to see, but isn't ande just a weaker camara? (Going by maximum specimens, not our current pussified camara)
Ande is 15,000lb while camara can get up into the 40k range depending on which one we get, with a roughly 10ft length difference. Seems better to just continue with camara than add a new sauropod who is basically the same but smaller
sudden hinge
@ancient fern not gunna lie homie your suggestions have been like nuts and idk why you keep posting them
paper oriole
god some people are so oblivious it's baffling, no attention paid to the announcements or phase 2 before ranting?
icy lion
¯_(ツ)_/¯
oblique dust
so after checking out some magy threads in the subreddit, a few people had the idea of turning magy into an okapi-like animal and honestly I think it sounds pretty neat. Definitely much better than the poison suggestions people have been posting around here (me included lol.)
by okapi-like, they mean something that's so damn good at hearing, scent and keeping itself quiet that only the most skilled carnivore players would be able to track one down.
the downside to this though, is that it doesn't make magy a very... interactive prey item so to speak, and could give herds disgusting advantages if its gimmicks are abused. it would have to be restricted to small groups of its own species (like 4 adults max) if that ends up being the case.
left nacelle
@ancient fern When you say about the devs being frustrated, are you referring to Filipes recent stream? Cause if so, he was just frustrated because programming can be finicky and time consuming. The devs love their job, and you can tell. Some of them even work on weekends (which is meant to be their time off) even tho they don't have to. One of the devs even tried working and interacting with the community while he was battling brain cancer, and the rest of the team had to convince him to take time off. It's very obvious that these devs love their job and this game
ancient fern
That’s really good to hear @left nacelle yes I was referring to the latest stream. Brandon is been a true worrier for sure. I do have high hopes for this project. And I know that it is still in development. But I do believe that it will become a memorable game.
left nacelle
Also the whole xp thing isn't a very good idea. These are animals, not MMORPG characters
barren zephyr
@ancient fern Okay so my thoughts on this right now is that the game does have it's downsides however the recode is coming June 14-20. Mechanics will be fixed in one way or another. Right now they are just fixing bugs. Second of all, you're second paragraph doesn't make sense to me. Add XP? Make it so you can unlock like sliding down a tree? The game is a survival game where the concept is to get into a world, grow, survive and do different hunting techniques. Each dinosaur has different stats/looks and as of the recode coming soon different attacks. (ex: utah pounce, tent's tail smash and using its claws). If you want a skill tree, even now when the game is still in EA (i doubt it would also happen), go find another game. Third of all the game is pretty good, I wouldnt say they take your money as the game is a game you can put 500+ hours on it, depending on who you are and still have fun. With the update coming soon it will be more worth. Not only that the Devs do not seem unhappy... they can be frustrated as they are fixing bugs and stuff, which is a lot of work but I am sure they love their job. Its just a hard one at that. For your last paragraph it was completely uncalled for because ARK is a finished game, this game is still in EA and for some people can consider The Isle more fun then ARK. Everyone to their own opinion. I would just wait till they update it tbh.
left nacelle
Plus Beasts of Bermuda already has that
barren zephyr
yuhh ^
left nacelle
@junior crow I think they are still gonna pin suggestions, but they probably aren't right now cause of EVRIMA development
ancient fern
good point @barren zephyr
junior crow
yeah that'd make sense I was kinda talking about in the future
i'll reword my suggestion thanks BlueBird
ancient fern
once the Spino is out all becomes much better 😃
strange wave
once the Spino is out all becomes much better 😃
@ancient fern *cerato
junior crow
fight fight fight fight
barren zephyr
Sorry for sounding dumb but how do i enter in discord when typing while not actually uploading what im typing
covert birch
click shift + enter
barren zephyr
Ty!
heady folio
@sleek hemlock I don’t think shitting on the game and the devs counts as a suggestion
strange wave
@barren zephyr ez food for panda bary
barren zephyr
honest sparrow
I knew someone was gonna say it
barren zephyr
but actually i think if bamboo was added a herbi could fill the panda niche
maybe theri
honest sparrow
fucking panda bary
paper oriole
no no bamboo is for the herbisuchus dondi totally said he was adding
honest sparrow
magy panda niche
barren zephyr
panda theri 
honest sparrow
theri is chad browser
paper oriole
anteater theri
barren zephyr
theri using its claws to pull down bamboo like a panda would look epic
honest sparrow
not virgin stalk sucker
paper oriole
press E to suck stalk
honest sparrow
you see, theri is very much not a panda
strange wave
press E to suck stalk
@honest sparrow get somebody to quote this
covert birch
Yes lets add bamboo to feed panda bary
strange wave
i beat you to it
covert birch
ngl tho more plants such as jackfruit, bamboo, coconuts, etc = great
Bork i hadnt realized it until too late
paper oriole
i actually had my bamboo plant arrive in the mail earlier today #fatehaschosen
honest sparrow
if anything it would just slicers and dicers to make julian fries
paper oriole
i must have it in the isle
strange wave
bary using bamboo to make fishing rod
barren zephyr
bary got bullied by the other carnis because it sucked ass at hunting so it resorted to going vegan and eating bamboo
honest sparrow
bary is chad hunter
paper oriole
useless small cunts like homa can eat bamboo and thick bamboo forests could be hard for big dinos to traverse
covert birch
Bary = best spinosaurid change my mind
strange wave
the next evolution of panda bary, bamboo fishing rod bary
barren zephyr
bamboo is pretty tough, not sure if a homa could chew it (or even somehow reach the leaves)
covert birch
Lets make bamboo forests extremely thick and difficult to pass, but in the center there is like a group of some theri realtive who is constantly eating it
hoary dawn
me when looking for quotes
barren zephyr
we need panda theri
honest sparrow
scroll up it has me pinged
covert birch
Where is that fred the dinosaur man art of panda theri when ya need it
covert birch
strange wave
covert birch
add nothronychus, make it and theri obsess over bamboo, also make nothro love shit like beehives and anthills
Bam perfect midtier omni
barren zephyr
Instead of theri having some weird ass looking grazing animation give it panda niche
strange wave
press E to lick mound
covert birch
Theri will prolly "graze" the treetops
honest sparrow
I did a theri browsing suggestion not to long ago
strange wave
hold E to lick insect
covert birch
same with sauropods prolly
paper oriole
theri should eat termites but get plant matter from bamboo too
he should totally eat termites tho
covert birch
Imo theri shouldnt be eating mounds
doubt there would be enough there to properly fill a theri
honest sparrow
#general-feedback message there we go
paper oriole
theri should suck BIG mound
strange wave
hold E to suck insect
paper oriole
BIG hyperendocrin termites
covert birch
Ik termite mounds get large, but how large do they get compared to theri
paper oriole
press E to suck bug
honest sparrow
press E to fullfill fetish
covert birch
Look at this this beaut of a perfect midtier omni
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/690650771456524348/therizinosaur_theory__2___nothronychus_by_fredthedinosaurman_d7ftpqz-fullview.png
strange wave
10 feet tall blue
paper oriole
well it's the isle just make the mounds fucking massive termite death empires and the Theri is our only hero to put a stop to their tyranny
strange wave
tallest termite mounds are ten feet tall
covert birch
Plays i need a hero
Nah imo make theri eat beehives, i mean the massive ones
Full on bear like
honest sparrow
the shrek 2 version ofc
paper oriole
he's gotta be big and he's gotta be fat and he's gotta press E to suck bug
theri can suck mound and bee ball
maybe pick grubs out of bigass dead trees too
barren zephyr
termite mounds would prob be found in the grasslands and idk how i feel about open grassland theri
covert birch
Beehives be extra nutritious b/c honey
strange wave
theri: bane of bug
covert birch
Theri imo would be roaming on the outskirts of forests
honest sparrow
eh theri can venture into the scrub if it wants
covert birch
Cuz i doubt something that large will do well in a jungle'
especially with how dense they are
Like bamboo forest theri works since there arent as many leaves covering ya screen
strange wave
theri is definitly a scrubland herbivore
barren zephyr
hypsi eating on a pineapple plant in the middle of the jungle would look so cute lol
paper oriole
bamboo forests get dense af tho
covert birch
They do, but the leaves are normally what covers the screen
honest sparrow
scrub/open forest imo
paper oriole
a thicc boi like theri would be slowed down unless he stays at the border
barren zephyr
nightmare
covert birch
Plus theri can prolly cut em down better than other animals
barren zephyr
honest sparrow
theri can just cut through the bamboo it doesn't eat
paper oriole
bamboo forests would be refuge to small dinos liek homa against mid tiers
strange wave
theri cutting the bamboo would leave tons of bamboo waste for smaller bois
covert birch
Theri herds just making massive pathways via cutting through bamboo forests
honest sparrow
pathfinder niche theri when
paper oriole
bamboo also grows fast as fuck, like some varieties can grow several feet in a day, so would make sense for it to replenish fast
barren zephyr
i made a rainsystem suggestion which would accumulate clouds more over jungles so jungles would get more rain, so the jungles would be pretty dense with fog
paper oriole
imagine eating a pathway into a bamboo forest, then taking a rest and coming back to find you gotta eat your way out again
covert birch
Still prefer theri not liking bamboo as a food source itself
with some midtier being what mainly consumes it
Since the midtier wouldnt destroy as much of the forest as a theri who doesnt care as much would
by not liking it i mean not as nutritious*
paper oriole
hmmmm... panda plateo?
covert birch
Hmmm
paper oriole
like i want aquatic plateo more but maybe...
strange wave
theri preferred food would be in the middle of bamboo forest
honest sparrow
panda plateo sounds neat
barren zephyr
theri would have to eat a lot of bamboo to not starve
honest sparrow
now, what would hunt the bamboo forests?
covert birch
Small shit
paper oriole
rushes?
strange wave
now, what would hunt the bamboo forests?
@honest sparrow yutyrannus
covert birch
no bork
honest sparrow
if I didn't know you were joking....
strange wave
thats why i slanted the text
honest sparrow
yeah but zhen or changyu as bamboo forest apex when
paper oriole
small guys like rugops, troodon, etc could hunt in bamboo forests, since mid tiers would be handicapped there
covert birch
Bamboo wader plateo
barren zephyr
some semi-arid madagascar cacti would be good in the shrub lands, would be a hazard for trecking through shrublands
honest sparrow
carno ramming through bamboo forests when
paper oriole
i want zhen too so bad
strange wave
yes, bamboogops
honest sparrow
bamboogops
covert birch
My love for changyu grew after i saw how much of a roadrunner zhen was
barren zephyr
covert birch
Literally midget arms with legs the length of its body
honest sparrow
feeds exclusively on bamboo and carcasses
paper oriole
wasnt chang the roadrunner? i probably got it mixed up
covert birch
Nah zhen was
Zhen skeletal
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423939730544132096/713224407786717314/ddirwey-b3a9683f-dd75-49fd-9e75-175c3a92a504.png
honest sparrow
Roadrunners come by my house all the time
honest sparrow
they do have hella jumps tho
covert birch
Zhen if anything would be similar to hypsi where it does super hops
honest sparrow
fucker went from the ground to a branch so fast
honest sparrow
says sinortho for me
barren zephyr
what is everyones opinion on baobab trees
covert birch
Really?
strange wave
thats sinortho
honest sparrow
yeah
paper oriole
thicc tree
honest sparrow
literally says "any ideas for good sinornithosaurus models?"
covert birch
What
paper oriole
manchineel trees that a few select small dinos are immune to and use for protection when
covert birch
weird
honest sparrow
or at least that's what the link says anyway
covert birch
idk then
cant find any other skeletal
Baobob trees are cool n all, just dont see much of a use in them outside of lookin cool
Doubt they can even be properly climbed
honest sparrow
they look cool, that's bout it
paper oriole
it's hard af to find zhen or chang skeletals for some reason
strange wave
yeah chang doesn't have any skeletals
honest sparrow
tfw strand
paper oriole
i can find paleoart of both though, zhen's legs look normal length but feathers and artistic liberties can hide a lot
covert birch
Oh zhen has massive feathers
But the arms are too small to actually work gliding wise
Now ofc they can pull a creative liberty for zhen ingame
barren zephyr
i really wish we had some more flower diversity, borneo is a tropical islands packed with thousands of species of plants and trees, most of the flowers are colorful orchids
paper oriole
i want big stinky flowers like corpse flower
covert birch
but its similar?
Corpse flower thats like a safe haven for certain carnis to stay near
barren zephyr
titan arum
strange wave
corpse flowers that are just another hazard for hungry bois
covert birch
while others cant without throwing up after there for long periods of times
paper oriole
be a carnivore, think you smell some juicy ripe meat, just find this shit instead
strange wave
getting led off the path of food by some smelly plant
covert birch
Cerato be lurkin it seems
paper oriole
this boy too up to some carnivore fooling mischief
covert birch
maybe like stronger scented animals can tell the diff between the flower and meat
honest sparrow
we are hunting
barren zephyr
having titan arum have the same smell as meat for carnivores would be funny lmao thinking you're tracking a carcass and it leads you to a flower
covert birch
So like a rex can tell its a plant
But a utah nah
paper oriole
dinos with strong smell like rex and cera could probably tell the diff
covert birch
now all i need plantwise are coconuts to crush beach juvis
And things like anky or pachy knocking em off the tree to get the food
strange wave
anky using jackfruit as a weapon
barren zephyr
titan arum also produce fruit so i guess they have a benefit
paper oriole
hypsi climbing trees and nabbing fruit please
honest sparrow
anky for coconut crab niche when
covert birch
Squirrel hypsi best hypsi
paper oriole
maybe detaching fruit over the heads of poor unsuspecting dinos
covert birch
Climb trees, store food, etc
honest sparrow
dead hypsi best hypsi
paper oriole
make hypsi like those big ass squirrels in asia that can smell which fruits are ripe
barren zephyr
if hypsi climbs add these trees that only hypsi can climb
honest sparrow
Monke
paper oriole
don't those trees have exploding seeds that launch fast as fuck and can make you lose an eye
or am i thinking of a diff tree
covert birch
Strain plants that weaponizes those seeds
Just fuckin lowers branches and rat tat tats you with seeds
barren zephyr
imagine running into one of these walking in the jungle
strange wave
isn't there also a tree so poisonous that it just kills anything that touches it
covert birch
Nah that aint scary
strange wave
just add one of those to fuck with tree climbing hypsis
covert birch
there is this beehive thats like a few meters wide
paper oriole
ackee fruit is a good poisonous fruit option (due to the seeds) that a few herbis can eat
watch us just get apple and banana plants lol
covert birch
I mean, bananas works
barren zephyr
these tho
covert birch
wait we do have banana trees
dondi mnetioned em way back
when he did the trike hippy hoppy clip
paper oriole
bananas are nice but there are sooo many options for good looking and unique fruit i hope they use them
barren zephyr
im not sure
paper oriole
i do remember hearing we're getting bananas, and they're nice but... jackfruit, durians and ackees are cooler
barren zephyr
aloe vera can get pretty huge these in the shrublands would be pretty nice
covert birch
We need hives like this
barren zephyr
aloe vera making you heal faster or something would be amazing
barren zephyr
oo
paper oriole
aloe is poisonous isn't it? maybe to crush and or roll in the plant
barren zephyr
i really wanna make a suggestion for reefs but it's probably too early to suggest it
paper oriole
rather than eat it
covert birch
I mean, i dont see how rolling in aloe will heal you
Maybe eating it makes you sick but cures venom
so you trade one debuff for a less lethal one
Then you can go salt lick
paper oriole
not all of the aloe plant is safe to eat though, just eating it is poisonous
honest sparrow
aloe in grasslands, na, desert fits way more
covert birch
Die from venom, or throw up a bit
paper oriole
not quite desert, but dry lowlands
barren zephyr
so many good plants they could add, most of the current ones have no use and they're all green and most are familiar, i want some crazy looking exotic fruiting plants
paper oriole
maybe prickly pear in drylands too
covert birch
Current ones dont really matter since quite a portion of em are store bought i think
like the redwoods for example
paper oriole
yeah i hope they go with some creative and attractive plant choices, rather than generic berry, generic vague apple fruit, etc
barren zephyr
mhm
barren zephyr
imma just make plant suggestions
paper oriole
like i dont mind seeing generic berry or apple, but i want to see creative plants too, mostly rreally
covert birch
I mean for poisonous plant theyll prolly go with poisonous berry #9
paper oriole
like generic berry and fruit could be the middle ground for herbivores, a moderately nutritious but not widely preferred food, with the creative plants being preferred foods varying between herbis
barren zephyr
yeah especially for the swamps, so far the plants in the swamps are usually plants you'd find in temperate regions, maybe not the giant lilypads idk
paper oriole
would be a waste to make poison plants generic berry when there's things like ackees with their toxic seeds and manchineels which grow fruit and the entire tree is deadly
covert birch
Like the whole map will be able to support at least 2-3 of every herbi
other areas which are part of migration paths can hold much more
So like, they cant really go the route of
X is generic and has less benefit
When the actual beneficial food is somewhat common
barren zephyr
i think some coastal plant species would be nice too like mangrove forests and small scattered islands covered in palm trees
paper oriole
the generic 'middle ground' bushes could help herbis of different species herd togetther while going between their respective preferred food, will probably be near impossible to find a herd with the new map limits and such
ugh yes mangroves where juvies can climb and hide under the roots, austros fishing from the roots etc
covert birch
Beipis escaping deinos via entering tight root systems
barren zephyr
i kind of wished they would've gone with mangroves instead of the cypress trees, but mangroves arent as big as cypress trees, i guess they went for the classic swamp look
covert birch
that thing wioth the roots coming outa the ground when tides low
Mangroves more coastal compared to the cypress trees
So makes sense kinda
barren zephyr
paper oriole
hmn maybe one of the smaller islands on the future map can have a mangrove swamp taking up a large part
barren zephyr
great places for semi aquatics and austros to hide in
paper oriole
and in low tide animals can make their way to it via landbridge
covert birch
that appearing at low tide
near the mangroves and apexs n shit get hurt walkin around
barren zephyr
fancy roots
paper oriole
zipping through those as a hypsi or austro while the rex fucks his feet on it would be pretty glorious
barren zephyr
beipi too
paper oriole
beipi probably wont bbe very fast on land
covert birch
Ehh dont see it, it doesnt look like its got the fat for it
Would be cool n all, but not look right
paper oriole
he's just gotta believe in himself
barren zephyr
craggy cliffs along the coast wen
paper oriole
also muddy sink areas where large dinos get screwed over and small ones can sprint across
barren zephyr
ptera breeding grounds
covert birch
barren zephyr
ghost thenyaw
covert birch
The volcano be its mouth
paper oriole
thenyaw's gaping orifice
barren zephyr
some small isolated islands like this would be nice too
paper oriole
ah yes small isolated islands, magy can finally live in his natural habitat
paper oriole
away from everybody else lol
covert birch
Magy inflates neck sack and uses it as a floating device
barren zephyr
and once humans come they get obliterated because they cant run away just like the tortoises
paper oriole
but naked apes have guns, magy doesn't have a gun
if magy had a gun he could defend himself!
covert birch
Ehh they can make magy work
barren zephyr
magy necc
covert birch
Just make the bugger outmenuvre shit that outspeeds it in the dense jungles
Dryo to utah style
and outstam em
paper oriole
magy will inflate his neck sack, then blow very hard, causing dinos to fly away in the powerful wind
covert birch
barren zephyr
i just noticed theres a heron in my bamboo pic in my suggestion
paper oriole
that annihilation bear, tentacle made a suggestion with it a while back too
it would be perfect for neuro dilo
paper oriole
neuro dilo in the night imitating the warped screams of his victims would be spooky af
barren zephyr
smol minmi
paper oriole
though also, neuro dilo using venom to make you hallucinate is an option as well, would feel like overkill to dump both great features on one dino even though both combined would be horrifying
barren zephyr
i wonder if minmi is gonna be called like "Minmi juvenile" or minmi paravertabra
paper oriole
vegan snapping turtle minmi when
covert birch
Omni pygmy hippo minmi is best minmi
paper oriole
either or would be great, i really want some more subaquatic herbis
covert birch
Combine this and the bottom left here
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480390528729091/677218362094387216/image1.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480390528729091/677218362673332249/image2.jpg
Flaffy shouldve put this in suggestions imo, its some quality shit
barren zephyr
minmi shooting blood from its eyes like those lizards seems kinda weird
covert birch
Its just a bunch of diff ideas
I was specifically referring to the bottom left one in the bottom image
paper oriole
i made a bad pic of minmi squirting blood from its eyes somewhere
barren zephyr
maybe it could sort of flatten itself against the ground in a sort of stuck position like a turtle where something like a dilo cant flip it over
but something like an allo maybe could
covert birch
Minmi on land doesnt sound like a good time imo
Would be fucked since it lacks any tools to defend itself
it just dies slower
Like making it semi aquatic works well
barren zephyr
magy on land isnt viable, so it uses its necc sac to release gases that make it rise into the air and fly away
covert birch
Magy has gas sacs like that one dark souls basilisk enemy
It curses ya if ya stay in the gas
paper oriole
@slate owl
we might actually get floods, with wet and dry seasons. don't think it's confirmed though, but it's hinted at
https://www.twitch.tv/thedondi/clip/PuzzledAmazonianPeppermintGivePLZ?filter=clips&range=30d&sort=time
slate owl
What about other types of severe weather and disasters?
paper oriole
they had talked about forest fires being a possibility a while back
slate owl
What about mudslides?
paper oriole
don't recall hearing anything about mudslides, tornadoes, earthquakes etc
only flooding and forest fires
turbid glade
i saw some animation with raising water
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYyXD9rJlFU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6zLhZd1YtA its planned for river and ocean @slate owl
slate owl
I’m just...gonna stop suggesting ideas, I cannot come up with something that’s already been suggested or is planned
turbid glade
@slate owl just keep doing :D
you can basicly discuss it here and we can tell if its already planned
or ask in #401464048610312195
paper oriole
don't let that get in the way of sharing ideas, a lot of people suggest things that they didn't know are already planned. try rummaging through the clips on the devs' twitch libraries, a lot of things revealed there that we don't see in announcements and phase 2
slate owl
WellI have another idea for one but I’m not sure if it’s good
For Dino’s that form packs, like raptors, maybe a sort of alpha/dominance mechanic where the leader of the pack gets a growth bonus or something
turbid glade
just tell we dont bite :D atleast in discord
covert birch
That's coming
slate owl
Again
turbid glade
but that i dont even know
slate owl
I’ve got one more but I’m sure it’s already planned
In the current patch, and with a video I saw it can be difficult to see the direction of footprints, especially smaller ones
turbid glade
lets see how the new scent system will work out
covert birch
Scent system is in its first iterations particle wise atm from what dondi showed
turbid glade
but you see the highlight foot prints
cobalt compass
yes, i think it'll be a combination off the flying particles and footprints that are glowing
snow meadow
Was reading through the suggests... are the servers really going to only hold 50 people max?
icy lion
thats whats planned for officials. unofficials can run whatever they want
valid zephyr
Austro is about 300kg and almost as long/tall as utah.
pale sorrel
@ancient fern I'd love to be able to zoom the camera out of the dino a lot more
It's a good idea, but then you'd be able to see approaching dinosaurs from much further away than your dinosaur would actually see them... but yes. I do like the idea. 🙂
heady folio
@wraith breach the suggestions channel is meant for suggestions only. Something like what you posted should be kept in either this channel or general-discussion
versed imp
Austro is about 300kg and almost as long/tall as utah.
@valid zephyr but the austro is unplayable right now i even was one shotet by an velo
and austros can easaly get bulyed from juvis
ashen wasp
doesn't it make more sense for Austo's defense against Carnos to be its higher agility and refuge in the water??
like, i really like Carno's place in the meta right now of "WILL run you down if it doesnt lose sight of you, but once its there you have a chance of defending yourself through fighting back or nonaggressive fancy footwork"
versed imp
yes but it is dumb when you are a speed build sacrifacing anithing to speed and get outruned by a more well roundet build
ashen wasp
youre referring to Carno as the speed build?? i dont think it sacrifices too much to speed, remember it's going to get that damage multiplier depending on momentum
versed imp
i ment the austro
ashen wasp
Austro, as far as I know, is only a speed demon right now because it got upscaled, that isn't going to be its final speed
it'll have more focus on its semiaquatic diet and nature in the future if i recall correctly
versed imp
it can get outruned by an carno
ashen wasp
as it should be
speed isnt the only factor in survivability, and having other refuges to prevent direct confrontation is a valid strategy
versed imp
it gets oneshotet by nearly everything
ashen wasp
again, because it isn't in survival, not much thought has gone into balancing it as a playable yet
versed imp
a ok
ashen wasp
once it gets adapted into the default gamemode itll get a lot more love, but as of right now the current Austro isn't indicative of its place in the meta in the future
valid zephyr
austros should definitely be more powerful than they are now. current stats are simply broken sandbox placeholder stats
ashen wasp
^^
valid zephyr
it should be able to at least kill a dryo
versed imp
ok sorry
ancient fern
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYyXD9rJlFU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6zLhZd1YtA its planned for river and ocean @slate owl
@turbid glade This is amazing.. An awesome detail that id never thought off..
Supper exiting..
I got to play around with the Spino and i really like the walk/ run cycle..
Id love that the Dilo could spread the membranes and spit poison like in Jurassic park
turbid glade
it will get poison but i dont know how it will be apply
turbid glade
yes its kinda cute looking
strange wave
Id love that the Dilo could spread the membranes and spit poison like in Jurassic park
@ancient fern it will do niether, dilo has venom applied by its bite
ancient fern
oh i see.. thats good
ancient fern
I wonder what is the speed of the dilo.. seems very agile
turbid glade
all stats will get change so we dont know now
left nacelle
@naive turret I don't think burrow flooding would be hard to do at all. They can just make water in the burrow start rising when it rains
naive turret
That’s true, they use the same thing with the river beads
left nacelle
Yeah. That's a really neat idea tho. Surprised I haven't seen it suggested before
naive turret
Thank you
Larger predators could take advantage of this to and hunt the burrows as they are washed out
ancient fern
Tell me if this is silly... but would it be cool if we had AI herds of gallimimus, maiasauras, protoceratops, trikes etc?
naive turret
No no, I actually like that idea
They have that in a game called WolfQuest, so it’s definitely possible
pale sorrel
The giant snake's the Titanoboa
naive turret
I know it’s a different game entirely, but it’s the best example I have
@pale sorrel thank you
frosty igloo
I like your suggestion bean thief
ancient fern
. like if we were a loner carnivore and try to hunt them alone it could actually be dangerous and they could kill you but in a group of try you could scare and disperse them and the snatch one prey
frosty igloo
but having deino and titano team up is too OP
frosty igloo
imagine being a hatchling and a fricking titano jumps out and your like CRAP
And you escape it and there is a deino waiting for you
naive turret
haha
frosty igloo
naive turret
I can imagine them also fighting over kills like ”if I hadn’t scared it out of the rock you would be starving!” “Yeah but I caught it”
frosty igloo
@naive turret If you don't agree with your own suggestion maybe its for the best if you deleate it
naive turret
Ok
covert birch
@gilded sparrow that was a planned system which was scrapped
cobalt compass
@gilded sparrow this is not fish feed frenzy
covert birch
Also, upvoting their own suggestion 
But yea. system was planned then was scrapped afterwards
Now we got elder which can somewhat replicate it
gilded sparrow
@cobalt compass A massive deino wouldn't be able to hunt fish, giving it's hulking size
icy lion
it was interesting in theory but thered have to be so much monitoring and tweaking of growth rates to make any sort of balance
cobalt compass
deino will be bigger than d. riogardensis and purru, so we can estimate it to be around ~15m and ~9to
cobalt compass
🤞 still hoping for 15m
icy lion
is it 10.5? i thought it was 9-10
covert birch
It covered like a good 10 boxes on the stream
which were each a meter long
Plus had a lil extra
icy lion
i was probably counting wrong then lmao
cobalt compass
you mean filipes last stream with the utah dragging?
iirc he stated that the deino wasnt 1.0 and it would be even than bigger
frosty igloo
so no playable brachi?
covert birch
you mean filipes last stream with the utah dragging?
I meant the dondi stream
so no playable brachi?
Brachi is "ai for now"
cobalt compass
@gilded sparrow thats the principle of the type-H strains, they cant sustain themselfs and starve to death. wouldn't be a fun gameplay for regular survival dinos also is deino already limited to its environment, other hypers can activly hunt on land, deino is most unlikely to do so
also the possibility of getting stuck in the small channels that connect bodies of water is high with your suggested growth
cobalt compass
mind-linking with blue the isle flyers are not able to grab things and player
honest sparrow
Pterosaurs feet are weak
left nacelle
@wraith breach Pterosaurs have really weak legs and wouldn't be able to hold much of anything with them. Even if they could, a vast majority of the creatures in The Isle would be too heavy to fly with
honest sparrow
Scooping things up with their mouth is another story
left nacelle
You will be able to carry chunks of meat and very small corpses in your beak tho
Timing lol
honest sparrow
But even then Quetz at most could carry something dryo sized
left nacelle
Quetz probably wouldn't be hunting things much bigger than dryo anyway lol
cobalt compass
but not livin player to throw them like in pc
honest sparrow
Or jp
left nacelle
Ngl, throwing things in PC:E is fun, but it could really be abused in The Isle. Plus it looks dumb lol
cobalt compass
@wraith breach before flooding #general-feedback with your ideas, please read the pins, use search with similiar tags and watch [Ravenous] videos on yt and check the content in #phase-two-archive. i can guarantee you most of your ideas have been discussed before in many forms. do yourself this favour and pass this opportunity to recieve the "Dislike-Hammer" from the community
fresh ideas are always welcome, just try to avoid reposting age old relics that had been disliked and disproved
frosty igloo
@broken seal having multiple slots ruins the expierence a bit since people who have a extra dinos will just go and switch over to it meaning that death is something would just pass and be casual because you have a extra. Also having 2 dinos can be abusable as you mentioned. For example you play as something small which takes a short time to grow and you use this animal as lure. You let the carnivore kill you and than you switch dino's. Now your a rex. Not only do you have your old body you have the dino you lured in. Could also be made to self feed meaning that a playeris growing a apex. That apex feels the munchies for a galimimus. So the player grows a gali, has his friends kill it and than eat it to gain a growth boost. Also can be used to cause lag with people mass pileling dead compies on top of one another and than constantly feed from that pile
paper oriole
One additional slot could be fine if it was done in a way that say, somebody couldnt get just hop on their giga to revenge kill because they're salty their utah died in a hunt and other stuff.
Tons of ways to grief with this
frosty igloo
also can be used to feed thier dino
paper oriole
You could switch to your second dino to pinpoint a herd or pack of the same species, then “log” and switch to a bigger dino and kos them
left nacelle
The only solution I can think of is that once you log onto a server and pick your animal, you need to wait a certain time limit after that animal dies to switch to the other one
frosty igloo
meaning people growing dinos, suiciding, and than switching to the dino they are growing, feed the dino grow until its hungry again, switch and than grow more food.
still abusable
left nacelle
True. And it would kinda defeat the purpose of multiple slots
left nacelle
Personally, I've never had a need for extra slots. If wanted to play as something else, I would just die and grow as what I wanted to play
paper oriole
Or idk, a lot of big servers have more than one server, just change between those
left nacelle
Yeah there ya go
pale sorrel
@barren zephyr Amazing suggestion!! I'd love it so much if they added edible fruit to The Isle! Everything about it is great! I have noticed two really minor mis-types, though (they aren't typos because the words are all spelled correctly). At one point, you say "To the eat the fruit", the first "the" should be gone, and right before that there are two spaces instead of one. Also, a side-suggestion, I think it would be good if you made breaks in the text, separating the text into blocks (on macOS it's Shift+Space). It makes it a bit easier to read. Still though! Amazing suggestion! 
barren zephyr
Thanks! I'll make sure to fix those
junior crow
@pale sorrel Hey man I suggested something similar before! If you want to take a look it talked about some ways the calls could be balanced out. Great suggestion btw
pale sorrel
Many thanks! 😊 I believe I might've seen that actually, I think I remember reading something like that now! 😄
@barren zephyr You're welcome! It's much easier to read now 😄
Though now, I think there's something wrong with the * symbols in the topmost line...
Sorry
barren zephyr
Sorry meant to put a pic of ants eating eggs 😂🤮(on my suggestion)
paper oriole
Dermestids would be cool beetles too, they are notorious corpse cleaners who are actually used to clean display skeletons. They could appear on rotting meat and be an extra indicator that the meat is rancid, plus would be creepy to see all the bugs crawling through a rotten body for a little extra horror aesthetic
barren zephyr
I love this ^😭🤮 still gross tho
pine cape
@barren zephyr that is some nice looking flora
left nacelle
@pine cape Back when the were first working on survival mode, the devs (I think it was Dondi) said he didn't like how progression made one creature feel "better" than another just cause it's higher on the food chain. I feel like the system you suggested would reinforce that thought process. Plus that had a system like that planned for survival, but they decided to go with what they have now
left nacelle
@steady zealot
covert birch
@steady zealot can just say add X dinos
Gotta give reasoning to them, such as how they would be diff niche-wise n such
Also all 4 of those animals are practically clones of current ingame animals
Torvo is practically allo, but larger
Yuty and megalo is practically allo, but smaller
And gorgo is practically alberto
Like they all prolly fill the exact same niche as these other animals, but with slight stat variations
paper oriole
Why would we need megalo when we have alberto and allo
pine cape
@left nacelle Ok that makes sense. I'm just trying to think of a way to have more diversification of animals rather than having most folks play as apexes. Maybe the new mechanics will change this.
covert birch
Why would we need any of those when we got allo and albert
At most they are skins, torvo prolly being the most unique of em even though its practically a fusion of allo and albert but in its own between sucho and allo weightclass
but again, quite uneeded
left nacelle
@pine cape Every animal will be more unique in the recode, and that'll help fix everyone playing apex. Apexes are also probably gonna be harder to grow
pine cape
I like the sound of that.
paper oriole
Also we have dinos buried in the database who arent in game yet they can work with before moving onto new ones
Like rugops and stuff
paper oriole
carnivores are already getting more pinning mechanics such as grapple and pounce, they don't also need to reduce the damage of their targets, or slow their movement speed by 30 percent for 2 seconds wtf lmao
a scared animal is going to fight for its fucking life, adrenaline and all that, it doesn't make sense for the damage to be reduced
covert birch
Imo it should increase damage of the trike if anything
you see plenty of examples where animals when in corners fuckin goin all out
paper oriole
yeah the damage reduction is unrealistic and makes no sense, it would try even harder to save itself when scared
covert birch
Especially trike of all animals who wouldnt ever run since its a fatass
paper oriole
there's instances where an animal is totally brutalised in a fight and still fighting as hard as it can, the adrenaline causes them to ignore the pain and strain themselves in defending their life or offspring. yeah trike would be too slow to run even with a 10% boost, plus it is a large, armed herbivore who would obviously choose to fight against its attacker
for something like a dryo or a galli they'd obviously haul ass in most situations if intimidated by something large, but not a trike or a camara or something
bold mist
Fair enough, but I do feel there should be something to remove corpse guarding
covert birch
Corpse guarding is fine with the new addition of body dragging
paper oriole
maybe something to do with the sickness mechanic will stop it
covert birch
that too
paper oriole
being near a big stinky body for too long would make you nauseous
and small bodies can be carried off by the predator
covert birch
But now you can literally just do this
Kill a person and 2 things happened
If its small enough to be carried it goes to ya mouth for carrying instantly
If its too large you can tear out edible chunks
So if ya scared of corpse guarding either carry the corpse away or eat a chunk then gtfo
paper oriole
also only larger bodies in contrast to the herbivore should cause nausea, otherwise i can totally see people dropping stuff near nesters just to grief
sounds ridiculous but ya know it would happen
covert birch
I mean imo its fine if the nesters can also push it away
paper oriole
if anybody can move a body it may not be too bad
i just think up all the ways people could grief with a mechanic
bold mist
Good, means you can call out if somethings stupid
paper oriole
like say, a clever oviraptor group drops bodies near some nesting diablos, they can not kill the diablos but want their eggs. they drop small bodies to lure the diablos off the nests because they have to move the bodies and steal the eggs while also keeping the bodies
would be an exploit of the mechanic
so, the solution is to make bodies that small not cause nausea
covert birch
Thats not an exploit imo
thats actually smart play
Ide love to see players using stuff like that to their advantage
paper oriole
technically it is an exploit since the mechanic is in place to stop corpse guarding
covert birch
now ofc there should be a limit to how large the corpse is compared to the player not liking the smell
But i dont see issue with it as a manner to also help you when hunting
paper oriole
but that is forcing a player off their nest with dirty play. it's clever and something i'd probably take advantage of myself but i think it'd be kinda worong
covert birch
I personally dont see issue in it
especially if the dibbles are nesting meaning 1 parent can go clear the corpse and one stays at the nest
Would be dumb if both went to clear it
paper oriole
like a bunch of dead compies shouldnt force a diablo off its nest, another dead diablo or a couple dead dryos sure
covert birch
yea that works
But as a base using the corpses to get parents away n such is a very smart move imo
paper oriole
yeah though it would definitely catch on and be used to terrorize nesters a lot lol
though it is a good tactic to abuse a mechanic
bold mist
well there could be a growing stench, the more decayed a corpse is the worse the smell, if something is too decayed you couldn't carry it
paper oriole
moving bodies leaves a lot of opportunities open to setting traps which is cool
covert birch
That would just make it worse
bold mist
no, it's so a carnivore couldn't move a max stench corpse
paper oriole
decaying bodies could pose a problem, you should be able to move them just not eat them unless you're a nasty lad like cerato or something
covert birch
I mean, i doubt a corpse that decayed that much by then is even grabbable anymore
covert birch
No but like, by then wouldnt it be gore
and we dont know if carnis can even pick up gore
paper oriole
probably, though a rotten body may still lave grody ass legs still attacked. scavengers could snatch a leg bone off for a nice crunchy fermented snack
if they can pick up gore, if it becomes that detailed, it would be a nice feature
covert birch
Ceratos doing that scene from lion king with the zebra leg but with a para leg
paper oriole
lol yeah just running around with a meaty drum stick
covert birch
@last bane gotta give mechanic reasoning to adding an animal instead of just saying add X
@snow meadow Dondi said kissen has a sleep mechanic concept where ya go into a sandbox-like dream state
paper oriole
@last bane you need to write a detailed description of why that dino should be added
it costs a lot to add new dinos, so they need a unique niche in the ecosystem
bold mist
At least it wasn't another large dino
paper oriole
giganto would make a good omnivore imo, but the suggestion was the bare minimum lol
covert birch
with the weight of a carno
I dont like the idea of large omnis until we see the system behind em
bold mist
I don't think I know enough about evrima to make suggestions, I know enough to be hyped but not much on the mechanics side
paper oriole
yeah they small omnis are probably there to test the faction
covert birch
Like only thing we really dont know is combat
paper oriole
further down the line additions like giganto, theri (if he hops factions) and deinocheirus would probably make good large omnis
covert birch
Insectivore+Tree grazer theri is a beaut
paper oriole
i want theri to suck fat termite mounds
last bane
I mean, gigatoraptor will likely just play like a bigger galli. Can deal with stuff better, obviously, the thing is much larger. But no way it can stand up to ANY apex of its tier, but it can likely outrun most stuff.
covert birch
Ehh
paper oriole
it would likely just be a more fragile omnivorous version of carno
covert birch
^
last bane
^
barren zephyr
no panda theri
paper oriole
who eats juveniles and fruit
covert birch
no panda theri
Ah yes
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/681225464437669933/therizinosaur_theory__3___therizinosaurus_panda_by_fredthedinosaurman_d7ftqro-fullview.png
paper oriole
panda theri looks like some shit out of avatar (last airbender one not alien pocahantas one)
covert birch
lets just beipi-ify theri too
barren zephyr
ew
honest sparrow
Now
covert birch
Fred also did this theri
barren zephyr
their running like a goose wen
paper oriole
theri deadass needs a goose skin when he comes back just because geese act like they're theris
anteater theri niche is what i want
barren zephyr
that anteater theri doesnt even look like a reptile anymore, legit an actual anteater with longer claws and neck
paper oriole
i mean theri's already got a giant anteater tail
covert birch
what about gorilla theri
paper oriole
oh no
covert birch
its great
paper oriole
but this boy def got an anteater vibe going
barren zephyr
make theri use its claws to climb trees like sloths and only shit once a week
covert birch
I want less of an anteater and more of a sun bear theri
Since sun bears eat lots of hives n such too
paper oriole
sloth bear theri
barren zephyr
im hoping theri will be able to spread out its tail feathers, they sort of just drag around
covert birch
Nah
barren zephyr
moar plants
paper oriole
always more plants
paper oriole
i thought of the bamboo forest area suggestion convo last night as i planted my bamboo today, i still want bamboo forests
barren zephyr
i actually have pineapple plants rn, waiting for them sprout roots so i can move them
one of them has started making roots
covert birch
I now want a whole map with like an eastern Asia vibe
Bamboo forests, terraced rice farms, etc
barren zephyr
make bary farm rice
paper oriole
mole tacos destroying farms when
covert birch
Tacos who have eusocial behavior like naked mole rats and bugs with RTS-like gameplay wen
barren zephyr
bary evolving agriculture and fishing eventually to a modern civilization to overthrow mercs and tribals
covert birch
And your burrow is your main base
bold mist
So I have a practical idea for switching dinos without needing to die, do I post it here as a response to dino slots or make my detailed post on suggestions?
Cause this also goes into mechanics for restricting apex's without feeling unfair
covert birch
Growing apexs should be unfair
whether herbi or carni
make it exceedingly difficult to feed'
but not due to lack of food, just due to how hard food is to obtain
paper oriole
imo things like losing an eye (if it ever makes it in) should just be a visual feature, not actually crippling your dino. losing limbs or other parts essential to survival would make most people just say fuck it and yeet themselves into a ravine. nasty scars like missing eyes or gashed lips should just be a visual feature that shows the grisly encounters you've survived
covert birch
Dondi said permanent scars could cause server issues during the QNA stream iirc
and yea would be pretty shit gameplay if they had sight loss n shit
paper oriole
unless it's an adult phase-in skin you can unlock by being some big badass probably yeah
covert birch
yea some cosmetic from an achievement would be good
bold mist
I was thinkin something like, you get it after healing damage
then I thought about people just intentionally drowning then healing
paper oriole
it wuld probably have to be from bleed, but people would probably just duke it out to give eachother scars. the serve rkeeping track of player encounters to generate the scars is the problem though
bold mist
ah fair enough
burnt wasp
Ok so maybe not a completely crippling thing with the eyes but there should be some form of down fall if you lose an eye
paper oriole
perhaps scars can be one cosmetic thing you can unlock after making it to elder, you can pick a scar to be able to use in the customization of your next dino. shows off your experience and whatnot.
or it could simply be unlocked by some brawler achievement, a reward for taking on many dinos your size or larger
covert birch
I dont really see a need for it oryx
Hell most stuff that would make you loose an eye if it hits ya there will deal seriously lethal damage there anyways with locational
So the actual action of losing an eye b/c ya took a hit to the head will prolly almost kill ya
paper oriole
a temporary visual blockage for certain attacks (like hypsi's spray) is good but not like permanent crippling of your vision
bold mist
I can say for certain that if I get any permanent debuffs from something like that I will def kill myself to get rid of it
burnt wasp
Yeah but there can be ways to make it so it is still worth growing
paper oriole
yeah exactly, i'd just find the nearest canyon and yeet myself
covert birch
why would you grow that when you cant see half the screen, its practically almost death anyways
bold mist
you get a temp visual block, then your creature adjusts and sight returns to normal
that'd be fine
burnt wasp
I mean that would work too
covert birch
a temps debuffs fine
bold mist
it's the whole permanent thing that's the issue
paper oriole
like tsomething like this would be fine for thigns like hypsi spit, but not straight up losing your eye and makign it permanent
burnt wasp
But it should last for awhile sense losing an eye is traumatic and takes awhile to get used to having one eye.
paper oriole
eh shouldnt last longer than say, current legbreak or something
would only be an annoyance
covert birch
Like i get losing an eye is pretty bad n all
But mechanically doesnt seem like a good thing for gameplay
especially if you take into consideration most attacks that would take an eye would prolly kill you anyways
zenith onyx
yeah. could cause some real problems
covert birch
With locational damage
bold mist
"realism is good, realism to the point of annoyance is not" - I forget who
paper oriole
yeah it's like giving rex it's realistic bite force it would totally screw the gamne. balance over realism, getting gouged in the eye in game shouldn't blind you and make you want to just end it all because you now have a massive disadvantage in survival
covert birch
@potent sparrow dont usernames literally do that?
bold mist
yeah
potent sparrow
not if they're not in your group
covert birch
Why would you not invite a pack member to your group?
bold mist
To be fair I was with a herd of dryos and wasn't in a group
potent sparrow
i'm referring to if you approach a pack to fight
barren zephyr
@left nacelle youre idea is good but however how long would those effects last? Honestly in a gameplay perspective in my opinion, I wouldnt enjoy it to an extent.
paper oriole
damaged tail: small reduced movement speed, large reduced turning ability
damaged snout: messed up scent
damaged arm: crippling for slashers and grapplers
blunt force damage on ribs: stamina knock, stamina hard cap, scales with damage. weakened calls
blunt force damage on jaw: weakened bite, severity depending on force
left nacelle
@barren zephyr Would depend on the injury. I'd say they could last as long as a broken leg
In the current game*
burnt wasp
There should be debuffs that affect you for a time. If there is buffs there should be debuffs
zenith onyx
current game is getting scrapped
left nacelle
I know the current game is being scrapped
potent sparrow
aren't they releasing an alternate version so people can still play it if they want to?
covert birch
Legacy mode yes
bold mist
why would anyone torture themselves that way
covert birch
But kai, they were just comparing the length of time of healing these debuffs to current BB
potent sparrow
you'd be surprised: I know a few people who prefer how the game is now and don't want it to change.
which i don't quite understand but yea
left nacelle
But kai, they were just comparing the length of time of healing these debuffs to current BB
^^^^^^^
zenith onyx
but that's getting scrappe though so they prob shouldn't compare it to that
barren zephyr
not being able to eat and drink thats my biggest issue with the suggestion if they made it impossible
thatd be annoying even if youre on the verge to starvation
zenith onyx
you should still be able to eat, just not for as long as the bone break or whatever, things like galli, dryo, juv trike or anything small could potentially die from this.
even the big dinos too
left nacelle
@barren zephyr I edited it
paper oriole
with jaw break you should be able to eat, but not tear pieces off of bodies or carry things
barren zephyr
Hmm
Im not sure completely how I feel about it. Im kind of 50/50 with it. I like the nightvision getting worse if you get hit in the eye somehow.
burnt wasp
The thing about debuffs.....THEY ARE MENT TO BE ANNOYING! If you hyper extend your finger....It makes it hard to do anything with that finger, hand, arm, What ever it is that you hyper extend. If you broke ya leg that is beyond annoying and makes it almost impossible to walk....You say that losing an eye with the debuff of losing sight or greatly hindered sight is annoying...But that is the point of these types of debuffs.
barren zephyr
I know they are meant to be annoying, however there are some things a player should NOT have to experience (Aka not being able to eat AT ALL). Which the person removed.
covert birch
That isnt the point tho
burnt wasp
I don't want to play a game that all it gives you is benefits...I want a survival game that has benefits AND annoyances.
covert birch
For example dondi stated he wanted to remove bb from combat simply due to being so annoying
Like, the idea of these debuffs should be to ward people from doing the things that cause them
barren zephyr
^
zenith onyx
i love how everyone on my post said repost.... love it.
left nacelle
BB in fights gives you a massive disadvantage in the fight. The things I listed would still allow you to win the fight just fine, but they'd hinder you afterwards
covert birch
Cuz its a repost kai
Why would we not point that out
Literally an hour ago you posted the same thing with more detail
barren zephyr
Its a good suggestion never the less, I was more on the fence when you said it would be impossible to eat lmao
zenith onyx
lol reposts are the best
left nacelle
When I said "hard/impossible" I meant I didn't mean it could be both, I meant whichever was better for the feature
barren zephyr
i know
I think if they did do that hinder system it should be lower than bone break unless it was breaking a certain bone itself.
left nacelle
I think maybe it could still be impossible to eat if you get your jaw injured enough, but make it so only the large animals can survive an injury like that
zenith onyx
atleast if they do keep bone break, it should actually break the bone they bite, instead of rexes biting the tip of a dinos tail, and breaking their leg....
left nacelle
Could also be a good way to take out a hypo. Break their jaw and make them starve to death
zenith onyx
they starve already
paper oriole
you could probably still gobble down small things you don't need to chew, but ripping pieces off a body to eat, dragging bodies, anything that requires you to clench your jaw at all shouldnt work
left nacelle
I know
zenith onyx
they don't need another way to die easily
left nacelle
But if you break their jaw they won't be able to eat
The whole point of a hypos is that they kill everything and eat everything
zenith onyx
ya, don't take that away from them though, and what could break their bones anyway? it's like they have steel for bones
zenith onyx
how would guns break bones?
bold mist
that is an excellent question lol
zenith onyx
unless they rip the skin off a dino with a gun and then aim at that bone idk how taht could be done
paper oriole
i'd imagine the scientists who created the hypers would have some sort of weapon capable of damaging them incase things turn bad
burnt wasp
Highpowered guns can easily shatter bones.
bold mist
casually uses a high powered sniper rifle to blow a raptors jaw off
dammit he beat me to it
left nacelle
If guns couldn't go through bones, you'd never be able kill something by shooting it in the head lol
vast wolf
some kinds of bullets were outlawed as they caused major damage to bone and soft tissue.
paper oriole
like i know there's this big badass alligator who takes gunfire and things like a sponge, so a hyper would probably be an insane bullet sponge especially with it's hardened thick skin, but there would likely be some rare, hard to obtain weapon that can take one out or at least knock it down a peg
vast wolf
they flattened out hit the bone shattered it and left a massive hole.
basically forced amputation.
bold mist
that feel when the worlds best murderer is an alligator and not a person
burnt wasp
You'd prob need armor piercing rounds for a hypo
left nacelle
I doubt a single bullet would damage a hypo's jaw. You'd probably need to hit it with a barrage of bullets
vast wolf
you would need some serious firepower to injure a hypo let alone kill one.
left nacelle
Not their whole body will be armored tho
H Giga, H Spino, current H rex don't really have any armor around their jawbone
They do probably have thickend skin, but not armor
paper oriole
maybe if you get lucky and shoot a grenade launcher right into its mouth as it movie-monster roars at you
left nacelle
That would just destroy its whole head
paper oriole
lmao yes
burnt wasp
Lol
bold mist
Wait I thought I remember seeing something about humans being so dangerous with guns that even a rex could easily be solo killed, I assume a hypo would need to be just as wary
covert birch
Lorewise hypers are only in danger of hyper killing guns
bold mist
Or the hypo might be given bullet resistant skin. Orient hypo's to focus more on hunting humans
covert birch
Cuz they got some super regeneration
bold mist
oh
covert birch
Plus if any strain is human hunted oriented its neuros
they got emps n shit to disable electric stuff
Hypers just hunt everything due to constant starvation
bold mist
yeah but neuros seem like they'd be just as frail and easy to kill as other dinos
covert birch
Neuros are somewhat larger than base oriented
bold mist
meaning they should avoid humans as much as normal dinos
covert birch
And also have much more brain oriented abilities
Hell, iirc they could mind control people as a concept
bold mist
What're tribals supposed to be like, cause I've thought of them being tree oriented
covert birch
Tribals are monsters
bold mist
I thought those were cannibals
bold mist
Didn't the isle buy the stomping land's assets?
covert birch
yes, but they are replacing em
The video shows whats goin on with the tribal side of humans tho
covert birch
Theyll prolly build tents n such
but not much else
Also dont forget how large they possibly are
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/700015819521917028/UoVpUxaHhfwAAAABJRU5ErkJggg.png
bold mist
Well yeah like that but I mean like traps and stuff
covert birch
oh traps n such will 100% happen
Dondi already showed interest in the concept in the QNA stream
But they did show disinterest in stuff like landmines and other invisible insta kill "traps"
bold mist
yeah no insta kill but stuff like arrow traps that deal damage to dinos would be good
covert birch
Plus traps would make sense if they keep the whole idea of tribals enslaving dinos
Trap animal -> beat it into submission -> use as a war machine
bold mist
I assume that enslaving a player would give them a deceased screen while the tribals get to use their old dino being AI controlled
strange wave
nope
covert birch
Iirc the idea was that player was controlled
And that they had the chance to escape
strange wave
the player would have some control
just it would be extremely painful to try and escape
if your too weak when you make a break for it, you die
covert birch
basically, if you lose the initial encounter and dont die
You become a tool for the tribals
You can escape but youll be weak since tribals "enslave" animals via beating em into submission
But you may also come out with benefits from being enslaved such as maybe armor grafted onto you or free food while under control
bold mist
I feel like that'd be hella hard to program and balance
and that just making a game over screen would be easier
strange wave
but would also be just like ark
covert birch
Idk whats the issue with it personally
strange wave
oh yeah i beat the shit out of a giant animal its now my best friend
makes sense 100%
bold mist
Then there's the question of them enslaving an AI
covert birch
Like, balance wise the only issues i see is people enslaving friends then givin em armor or something then letting em go
But even then the person will be so hurt from it that the process is counter intuitive
strange wave
see that could be great for balancing if tribals have a dino army
if the animals attack when the tribals dont allow them too, they get injured so a mass murder squad would have trouble against say and group of three apexes which can stomp the weakened animals
covert birch
Like, the amount of resources to "enslave" a sinagular large dino is already a lot
So i doubt an army would every happen unless the dinos willinigly team up with tribals, which is already possible without needing to go through this "enslaving process" which hurts the person a lot
But again, this is an extremely old concept so may be gone
bold mist
Honestly, when I saw that the tribals were monstrous I'm like, dammit, they're gonna be cave dwellers
actually that sounds kinda cool
covert birch
@wraith breach thats happening in elder system
wraith breach
elder system?
covert birch
bold mist
I assume it's like, more health, more damage, slower speed
covert birch
Kinda?
left nacelle
@wraith breach Watch Ravenous on youtube. Everything you're suggesting has either been shot down already or is already coming
wraith breach
i do watch him.
left nacelle
How many of his vids have you seen?
covert birch
Ok so,
I recommend you watch the QNA stream video
Covers a shitton more then the bunch of tiny clips he posts in his videos
wraith breach
ive watched latest videos on phase 2
left nacelle
@near socket There's only static to keep people away cause the buildings are placeholders
wraith breach
okay 🙂
covert birch
Heres the vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPtvC7Voops&start=3259
Its a long one
but gives a shitton of info
near socket
@left nacelle Thats fine, its just a suggestion for something later, just a thought but ty. 🙂
covert birch
Humans shouldnt be safe from dinos b/c of some sound barrier
Would just allow em to amp up in power to the point they can gun down buggers
Invasion of bases should be a real and common risk imo
wraith breach
@covert birch it looks like dondi wanna bring in natural death in the game......
near socket
ok.
wraith breach
i hope not >.>
covert birch
Its optional bitsy
left nacelle
You don't have to become an elder
strange wave
it looks like dondi wanna bring in natural death in the game......
@wraith breachthe elder system is optional, you dont need to do it
covert birch
Well that aint happenin
wraith breach
o
left nacelle
but if you do, you will die eventually. But you get perks for that species
covert birch
You either
A: Choose to do very specific tasks -> go elder -> do the thing dondi said -> die and get perk for next life
B: Not do those tasks -> dont be elder -> live until you get killed
bold mist
But you're definately gonna get killed cause it sounds like that power keeps going down
covert birch
It goes down, then you do the shmememe
Prolly after a certain point youll get a suicide button
Or just after a certain time when you sit, you dont get back up and go to the select menu
strange wave
i wonder how perks will be presented to people
bold mist
I really just want my fish so I can play a pescatarian and actually be a pescatarian
bold mist
Yes, I like the idea of flooding too, wasn't that discussed?
bold mist
the aquatic power spike
wasn't it, the water raises so much that the island becomes like 3 islands
how many mountains are there
paper oriole
idk about it being that severe, but it does open up the possibility of land bridges to make it to offshore islands
strange wave
wasn't it, the water raises so much that the island becomes like 3 islands
@bold mist no, you may be thinking of the other map which is a collection of islands
covert birch
Sadly, actual full aquatics are years off
Last mention we got of em from dondi iirc was him saying that bryan and dinosauriac wanted em bad and that he doesnt gaf if they are added, as long as the games done first
covert birch
they are viable now
Kinda?
Sucho is one of the strongest animals ingame atm, but giga just fucks it due to its trot
but giga fucks over many things b/c trot
so not much to say
bold mist
how, the sucho is so slow