maybe cera instead
#general-feedback-discussion
plucky widget
night sand
Like i said, some animals would be better at choking than others
plucky widget
since cera relies on damage
i dont think carno should choke at all
it cant hold the prey with hands
and its not big enough to apply weigy
night sand
Tis got feet
plucky widget
weight
random imp
I'm hoping gen 1 utah appears as a skin option too.
@valid zephyr mmh, i think that 'd be better to have the gen 1 utah in labs, with embrios and stuff, just to have a little easter egg
or maybe the gen 1 utah might become the female version of the current utah
plucky widget
whats gen 1 utah?
valid zephyr
I mean I wasn't thinking as a common and easy skin. Like super hard achievment so it's rare af.
random imp
or a "sub adult stage" utah
valid zephyr
@plucky widget the first isle utah model.
night sand
it cant hold the prey with hands
@plucky widget for the ones whos arms are tiny,they can always use their feet
random imp
super hard achievement skin 'd be cool yhea
plucky widget
but it doesnt have enough weight like rex to put pressure
the jaws are too narrow to hold a neck firmly
night sand
Like i said, some animals would be able to choke better than others
plucky widget
again, with this build it shouldnt be able to choke at all
night sand
Because of the arms?
plucky widget
its just not strong enough
read what i said about the jaw
it cant hold a neck
the mouth isnt even built in a way of holding
the upper jaw curves up
and the bottom one is too thin
night sand
U have a point, the upper jaw does curve up
plucky widget
so it cant hold a neck
night sand
It probs wouldnt be able to choke anything as big as Tenonto
plucky widget
yeah
night sand
Something smol which would already be killed in a bite
night sand
I put that in
plucky widget
since cera relies so much on raw damage choking would make sense
night sand
Cera choking, I forgot abt it last night
plucky widget
long teeth
long mouth
and mouth isnt as thin as a sucho so it could hold a neck firmly
night sand
Cera and Allo would probs be the best at choking, id have to see how much a giga can open its mouth
plucky widget
makes sense
pale sorrel
@bold peak I actually had the same idea with Seasons, but how and when would they change?
left nacelle
@warped fog Utah and other animals will have feathered options in the future
barren zephyr
The Isle should have 4 season.
Spring : Nesting season
Summer : Hunting
Attum : Try to not get hunted down
Winter : Try to not starve to death
strange wave
@barren zephyr why would there be winter and fall on a tropical island
strange wave
wouldn't that just further my point
honest sparrow
yeah even dondi said it's more dry/wet seaon then winter summer spring fall iirc
frosty crystal
winter not gonna happen, thought seasons were not a thing
icy lion
i mean depending on how close the islands are to the equator it might make sense to NOT have seasons lmao
plucky widget
whats this ⏲️ emote for
icy lion
it means that something has been confirmed to be in the recode
random imp
in tropical island we do not have winter or autumn
there is a dry season and a wet season, like Pteranodon wrote
cobalt compass
whats coming to my mind as i looked at dondis swamp pic, will there be "static" movement on the water surface to conceal some lurking deinos? imagine you're at a waterhole and check the surface and see some small movement, i'd be immideatly gone from there if the water has no waves, droplets or anything... so having these and see movement you couldnt be sure its a threat like deino or just the log drifting around
icy lion
i imagine there will be
cobalt compass
i hope so 🤞
left nacelle
@night sand Already happening
paper oriole
Small lizard ai coming and eating your eggs whenever you got up to eat or drink would just be annoying, and pointless since we have playables like oviraptor to sneak sround and terrorize nesting grounds (a lot less annoying than losing your eggs to AI that would probably be worth as much or less food than current velo too)
left nacelle
I think Ai that steals eggs would be a good idea. But they shouldn't spawn whenever you're away. They should spawn somewhere and track down any eggs in the area
No eggs in the area? Then they just wander around
paper oriole
Maybe ai oviraptors and velos, not lizards or rats
left nacelle
Well if they added AI lizards, it would kill two birds with one stone. Small AI for juvys to hunt, and an AI that eats eggs
vast wolf
depends how they spawn. they should only really be a threat if you leave the nest for a long time.
left nacelle
Yeah
paper oriole
Large monitor lizards, if they arent as useless as current velo, and only affected neglectful shitty parents maybe
left nacelle
Or they should just spawn randomly, and if you happen to accidentally build a nest close to one, then they'll come after your eggs
paper oriole
Hatchling/nest menaces like monitors snd beezlebufo should be in certain biomes maybe, a biome with plenty of food but the risk of being punished for neglectful parenting, so you would be choosing between riskier but more fruitful nesting grounds or grounds where traveling further distances for food and water is required, opening up the risk of players if you dont have a mate to guard the nest
Typing on mobile makes me wanna die
left nacelle
You just gave me an idea for suggestion
paper oriole
Nice 👌
left nacelle
Nvm. It sounded better in my head lol
I was gonna suggest different types of small AI for different maps
But no matter what map it is, you'll probably always have frogs and lizards cause they make sense 
paper oriole
I think if you nested by freshwater you'd suffer the wrath of beezlebufo, and in lush grassland you'd have to worry about savannah monitors or something similar
Would be nice to at least pick your poison
Tho probably larger than a savannah lol
left nacelle
Well I think that's a given. But I mean like a tropical island would have different animals than a temperate islad. But both of them would probably have frogs and lizards
Like we'll most likely only see frog AI near water
paper oriole
Yea just in diff biomes on the island
But if you nested in some crappy dry mountainside field you'd have less to worry about from them, the tradeoff being risky long hunts for food and water
left nacelle
@elfin eagle The raptors in game don't have the same wrists as the JP raptors. The in game raptors have inward facing hands rather than downward facing ones the JP raptors have. Which is more accurate to irl dinosaurs. Because of that, they probably wouldn't be able to open doors unless the door has a handle rather than a knob and they pushed down on the door handle with the side of their hand. But if they could do that, it seems like it would be a huge oversight for the people who built the building in the first place
elfin eagle
left nacelle
I think there'll be plenty of other JP easter eggs in the game. Plus that probably wouldn't be balanced since raptors will probably be more of a threat to humans than the apexes will
vestal rune
utahraptor has the downward facing JP hands which are prehensile, so I do think they'll be able to open doors
left nacelle
Not anymore. They changed it
You can see the hands are accurate now in the crouching Utah to the left @vestal rune https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/664914260648001555/702634515138347511/4a0cea3e5d0c60be3d76ee59dccdc6e0.png?width=1441&height=499
vestal rune
unless they changed the sitting up animation, utah pushes the ground when it gets up in a very JP-esque way
left nacelle
When was that picture taken?
Like how old is that
Cause I believe it was changed relatively recently
vestal rune
it's from the tenonto cage
left nacelle
Tenonto cage?
cobalt compass
were they surrounded the tenonto?
left nacelle
The aren't facing downwards tho
vestal rune
ye they are
left nacelle
They're more diagonal
vestal rune
it's not as dramatic as a normal JP velo, but it's still quite pronated
past berry
yea, those arms are accurate
cobalt compass
phew thats 2 weeks old
left nacelle
I think it's still accurate. They're still a lot more inward than they are downward
cobalt compass
not pronated but they still seem to have a wristjoint were none should be
vestal rune
ye it doesn't look like regular dromeosaur hands
past berry
is it me, or the utah in videoclip when he is jumping on mega lilypads is different that our utah
opaque blaze
Wasn't that Utah a Sub?
left nacelle
Yeah it's a sub utah
vestal rune
ye thought so
utahs standing-up sitting-down animations used their hands alot, and idk if they changed those
past berry
cobalt compass
hmm, okay forget what i mentioned before IF this is correct
vestal rune
ye that diagram looks accurate
cobalt compass
ahh i see
ebon tiger
they seem semi-pronated
vestal rune
they're definitely pronated enough to be able to open doors
ebon tiger
you can see from the angle there they're still not fully pronated
vestal rune
plus I think that's just a comfortable resting position, I'm sure the animators will fully pronate the wrist if they want to
past berry
@arctic nimbus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKO631doIyc
not to you guys, to neurodox
left nacelle
@hexed plume Already happening
vestal rune
@hexed plume Bonebreak is getting remade, so when it comes back I'm certain anky will get it
hexed plume
Oh ok
paper oriole
Why wouldnt rex have bone break? With its bite force its current bone breaking ability with low bleed is pretty balanced
Both anky and rex should be among those with bonebreak
opaque blaze
If any Carni should have BB it's Rex. Massive jaws and teeth not suited for cutting, the whole skull just screams brute force. Don't get me wrong, I am no fan of Rex, but c'mon
left nacelle
@hoary notch Why wouldn't rex have bone break? That doesn't make much sense
hoary notch
Ik, I was gonna edit it. But anky should have bonebreak as well atleast
covert birch
Anky is conformed to be getting a rework
That will prolly include bb
left nacelle
Bone break itself is getting a rework. Along with bleed
If I had to guess, I'd say that for bb's rework, you'll probably be able to have more than just your leg broken. It'll probably tie in with locational damage
left nacelle
@vestal hound I think Dondi mentioned something like that before. But the closer it gets to sunrise, the lighter things will be. So people will just use gamma at sunrise right when it stops being pitch black
vestal hound
the fog could be colored to fit the rising suns sky color and the distance can be adjusted to travel further away however. That would still work that way, just the thing about implementing it properly is a problem for me to imagine, since I never really worked with Unreal Engine before
@left nacelle
left nacelle
I think having a flat color would look kinda ugly tho imo, and people would probably just log off for night time anyway. I think we're better off having a night vision that's nothing like the current night vision
vestal hound
oh I definetly agree for a different mechanic, I just thought about the current situation.
And people who go offline at night will do so probably for the new nights as well.
left nacelle
Yeah true
opaque blaze
Maybe make the 'fog' 'dissipate' as dawn approaches, increasing the radius of visibility and having certain objects poke through
left nacelle
@barren zephyr No offense, but I don't think any of those items are good idea
barren zephyr
D:
left nacelle
But the suggestion also comes off as a joke soooo
barren zephyr
I legit think some of those could be badass ||(the suggestion is half joke but I want some of the stuff actually)||
left nacelle
Some of those things would be cool, but they probably wouldn't be used due to their ineffectiveness
Like a minigun is inaccurate and consumes a lot of ammo
barren zephyr
Imagine endgame Strains and start busting out and attempting to reach the mainland. Nuke time
left nacelle
A flamethrower would look awkward considering that plants won't burn
and a nuke would be waaay too op lol
left nacelle
Dondi said in the past that he doesn't want players to be able to start forest fires and stuff for obvious reasons
barren zephyr
Damn
left nacelle
If forest fires are added, they'll probably be causes by lightning
vestal rune
the only one of those I could see working is rocket launchers
left nacelle
Rocket launchers could work, but I can't think of a scenario where someone would want to use a rocket launcher for self defense
barren zephyr
I might delete, it was kind of a joke anyway 
vestal rune
well there is meant to be an "anti-hyper weapon"
and a likely choice for that would be a RPG
left nacelle
I think it's more likely that it'll be a handheld railgun
vestal rune
idk, handheld railguns are a bit too sci-fi imo
left nacelle
Dondi mentioned wanting to add a super rare railgun that can shoot off limbs
barren zephyr
Whoah
left nacelle
This was mentioned a loooong time ago
Like probably 2 or so years ago. When we first found out what the tribals looked like and that "cannibals" aren't actually "cannibals"
vestal rune
railguns are a good idea, but if they're going for a sort of "near-future" tech then I think handheld railguns are a bit out there
barren zephyr
So is it modern day or future in any way
vestal rune
what is? the game?
left nacelle
I don't think they're entirely going for a near future thing. Considering they're adding mutant telepathic dinosaurs
I think they're going for a "plausible sci-fi" feel
vestal rune
ye but like everything they've shown for mercs are modern/near-future
vestal rune
and if you're able to power a handheld-railgun easily, then you can do some crazy super sci-fi things
left nacelle
Eh idk
barren zephyr
Think Ill leave up my whack suggestion and see what the mob thinks
left nacelle
Might wanna be careful tho Ape, joke suggestions don't go very well with the mods, and yours comes off as a complete joke tbh
Like some of those are plausible, but the further down the list you go, the more it seems like you're entirely joking
barren zephyr
I suggested a Jeff Goldblum skin for Mercs and it was fine
left nacelle
Well yeah, but that actually sounds reasonable lol
silent current
@plucky widget Hit or miss. I guess the rex missed huh. He's got a trike friend I bet he doesn't hit yah. He gonna find another rex and he won't miss yah. He gonna spin and hit the alt turn like non nycta. I'm not sorry XD
i did nothing I'm never cringey XD
left nacelle
It might've been a joke, but that sounds like a very reasonable suggestion. Also considering other people have mentioned it before too lol
barren zephyr
I even suggested Jeff calls but alas para said no jeff skin
high tech future weapons seems more reasonable than Jeff Goldblum nonsense ingame ok 
Though.....If devs ever put Jeff ingame...or we got a mod
I would 
spare sparrow
oh hell naw do mercs need a fucking Nuke or mini Nuke
paper oriole
Shotguns that replace both arms...
covert birch
oh hell naw do mercs need a fucking Nuke or mini Nuke
yea they dont need those lets just give em a mega nuke instead
opaque blaze
Any nuke would turn the Isle into the Trench
barren zephyr
plucky widget
@silent current You should be deeply ashamed of yourself for that.
sonic cloud
@barren zephyr 14. Robo-cock?
paper oriole
hoary token
Davy crocket handheld nuclear device for tribals ?
static steppe
can someone tell me what that should mean?⏲️
valid zephyr
@static steppe the ⏲️ means that this feature is planned and coming at some point in the future.
Or at least mentioned by the devs.
static steppe
oh, thank y'
paper oriole
Upvoting your own suggestion 
left nacelle
@loud owl Bigger animals will be able to break small trees, like banana trees and stuff. You won't have them busting down normal trees like the animals in ARK do. I believe Dondi said the Hyperendocrin animals will be able to break some larger trees tho
covert birch
Imo taco should go down the route of using quills as a form of defense, while proto should be like a heavy burrowing animal which uses traits similar to wombats (blocking burrows/crushing intruders in then) as its form of defense, while using bites n such as an attack
valid zephyr
I feel that just makes it too close to ava (which a lot of people including me want to burrow).
Taco is tiny and near invisible, and already has burrowing too.
I don't want all small ceratopsians to be burrowing.
covert birch
I mean, you can make two different have burrowing capabilites and make them different
So like proto would build large expansive burrows
While ava imo would do like just one chamber
valid zephyr
Also taco is essentially 'playable' AI like compy. So I don't consider it needing a full gameplay loop
covert birch
One would be much more effecient then the other at burrowing
valid zephyr
devs made it clear AI level things arn't meant to be viable.
covert birch
It doesnt need a gameplay loop per say
But it should get something to not make it just free food
And imo quills, which taco already has works plenty fine
While proto models, at least every iteration baardo made
Lacks quills
and while the new one may have quills, historically it seems it wouldnt
valid zephyr
I mean the older models are getting redos
the entire realistic dibble/ava/proto/taco is an entire mess of similar features
making all of them unique imo is going to be hard af.
covert birch
I mean jaffad in his doc made dibble and ava function different pretty well imo
Proto and ava can also function quite different burrow wise
And hell maybe you can make it so they can only build burrows in certain enviorments
Like theres a vast majority of different ways devs can take burrows
Which would make more animals, not just ava and proto unique
valid zephyr
Did jaffad mention dibble? I know he's one of the earliest ones to mention warthog ava.
valid zephyr
I personally just don't want all small ceratopsians using burrows.
taco already has them, and ava is one i'd like to get them.
covert birch
Personally im fine with them using burrows but in different amounts and for different reasonings
valid zephyr
hell i'd rather this for proto, and it's ridiculous!
covert birch
Chameleon arboreal proto wen
nah but seriously
If they can make usage of burrows different idk if theres much issue
valid zephyr
the main difference i wanted for ava and dibble was ava burrowing, and real sized dibble being nocturnal.
ava being able to access roots in dry environments as it's preferred food, and dibble getting its preferred food from dense forests.
herbis lack any nocturnals atm.
covert birch
Like burrows can be made much more expansive then just sit n hide from preds
Could be played into enviorment (certain species can only build em in certain places)
COuld be played into nesting
Can make burrows go into an expansive route or a singular chamber route for different species
etc
Imo dryo should be a nocturnal herbi if everything
valid zephyr
dryo is one that defo should be
covert birch
Dryo should be one of em animals that function at all times well
Perception wise at least
valid zephyr
yeah excellent NV doesn't mean you're worse in the day.
dilo still works fine in the day
at night it just goes to god tier
covert birch
Like there should be animals which are flat among all times
Then some who are great in one but mediocre in others
and a scum style sight system can easily play into that
covert birch
Imo its fine to a certain degree
valid zephyr
The worst one is vision based on movement, as it's not even a real thing.
covert birch
Like an anky would see a rex across a vast distance as clearly as a dryo
I mean technically it is
but only in like oceanic animals
with echolocation
valid zephyr
how would it be programmed in game? you can see stationary rocks and trees.
would animals literally go invisible the second they stop moving?
valid zephyr
dondi was making comments about it in an earlier stream
covert birch
I prefer a scum system 10x more then what dondi said on stream
Which plays with render distance/stam
valid zephyr
what's the scum system?
covert birch
now ingame the distnace would be farther then that
but the concept is the same
Imo this can create good symbiosis for herbis n such
Bad eyesighted herbis mixherding with good ones who can see much farther
valid zephyr
not a fan of that. spotting things should be player awareness and skill
not arbitrary render distance
covert birch
Player awareness and skill can play into that
The render dsitance would add another level of it
valid zephyr
if i can see a tree or rock, I should be able to see a player
covert birch
inb4 the tree or rock is just an anky
valid zephyr
especially with mercs.
merc sits out of render distance with a 50cal and one shots you
oh god it's warthunder all over again
covert birch
I mean thatll happen anyways
Mercs will do that whther they are in or not in render distance
and kill you
valid zephyr
look at that empty field.
wait no tank appeared out of thin air in the middle and instikilled you.
yeah but if they're rendered, it's your own fault for not spotting them.
covert birch
I mean, you seem to think itll just be a pop outa nowhere thing
valid zephyr
it's player skill, rather than them just being literally invisible
covert birch
Ingame it would be much more distant then shown in the video
And crouching n such would play a factor
Like its not
Rex walking in a field outside of range is invisible
paper oriole
Bigass things like apexes armoured vehicles/tanks shouldnt be able to be hidden by movement based vision or render distance shit
covert birch
Its rex crouching in extremely dense foliage miles away = blurred/invisible
Armored vehicles gladly wont happen
neither weaponized ones
valid zephyr
like if i'm lying in the grass as a merc, I want to be hidden because I chose a good spot.
not because the game decided I was hidden and turned off my rendering.
paper oriole
Forcing bad sight on players instead of just letting them be rewarded or punished by how well they observe their surroundings
night sand
What we talking abt
covert birch
What we talking abt
https://youtu.be/TciNyl_H0Ug?t=128
paper oriole
Render distance also makes it easier for garbage players to hunt
covert birch
How exactly?
The combat doesnt change
Neither does the ambush if the other player spots it
Which plays into the skill yall seem to want
paper oriole
Like “oh i dont have to be as cautious and sneaky because the game will do it for me by handicapping that other dino”
It should all be up to the player's ability to see, not forced handicaps
valid zephyr
player render distance should be identical to tree/rock render distance
night sand
player render distance should be identical to tree/rock render distance
@valid zephyr agreed
covert birch
Isnt that a changeable thing atm
night sand
Dont think so
valid zephyr
it would also prevent people turning graphics down to spot players.
covert birch
It wouldnt tho
valid zephyr
coughwarthundercough
paper oriole
Isnt the new foliage set up to prevent that already
valid zephyr
if you turn down trees to only render at 100m, players only render at 100m
covert birch
yes buff
valid zephyr
spotting should be 100% based on player skill, and not just rendering them out.
covert birch
yes but they still see the player before the person with high settings they are hunting sees em
Sure they see it later, but they still see it and are capable to hunt
night sand
No
Render distance things would suck
The game will to award you for being observant,how can u be observant when its render distance things
paper oriole
Unless its for a small few specific dinos in order to balance out their extraordinary combat stats, even then it would be kinda annoying (also we have no such OP dinos atm)
night sand
Tru
left nacelle
@tawdry smelt Already happening
tawdry smelt
@left nacelle really?
indigo sun
Yes sleep is a planned feature
opaque blaze
We should have a list of planned features...
indigo sun
I had that at one point for all the stuff planned in the recode process but i stopped updating it after a little bit
Could probably make something similar to it again
opaque blaze
Would certainly help with all these suggestions that are already planned
left nacelle
@tawdry smelt Yeah sleep's happening. Kissen in particular wants a sleep system where you can dream and in that dream you'll almost be in a sandbox-like place, where you can do stuff
honest sparrow
the walking is fine imo, at least until they consider playable brachi a possibility
pulsar lake
I think that they should change animations for Brachi because it hasn't the same anatomy as Puerta
tawdry smelt
Brachiosaurus had longer forelimbs than hindlimbs, which resulted in a steeply inclined trunk
left nacelle
I think Protoceratops is the only ceratopsian that'll have quills
ebon tiger
Psittaco already has quills
and that's also a ceratopsian
so if Proto got them, that'd make 2 😛
honest sparrow
Yeah very early/ basal ceratopsian but a ceratopsian nonetheless
left nacelle
@loud owl That could be used to farm infinite food. And Filipe has said in the past that you won't be able to rip food off living animals
vestal hound
@warped oxide plus if someone travels afk this will be hilarious
left nacelle
@honest wing Compy isn't their main concern right now
vestal hound
@left nacelle may I ask why you are against autorun?
left nacelle
Cause Dondi already said no to it, and it could be used to avoid the penalties of AFK growing
Cause in EVRIMA, afk growing will make you take 2-3x longer to grow, someone could set themselves to autowalk to prevent the game from knowing they're afk
paper oriole
God that compy suggestion is stupid like cmon some common sense
vestal hound
oooh yeah didn't think about it, my concern was my finger hurting after traveling across the map
paper oriole
Yeah they were totally planning to just keep it with no animation totally lmao
left nacelle
I've never had any issues with my finger hurting personally. But I know other people have. Maybe try just not pushing on the button too hard?
Cause you barely need to hold it down for it to register
vestal hound
My fingers tend to hurt when holding buttons no matter what on bad days, if needed I would probably have to keybind a continuus input for my keyboard|controller
and I mean... if you want to walk forward afk and risk someone munching on you while you do so why not?
it could also be disabled when isle is not the active window
left nacelle
The same could be said about afk growing. If someone wants to sit in a bush and risk getting found, why not let them?
But people don't always minimize The Isle. They could leave it open and just leave their computer
vestal hound
hmmm I agree, sorry I have never really interacted with people who do this kind of stuff, same with nightloggers/gamma users
tawdry smelt
I was thinking of getting a PC game controller to play the game comfortably (truth is I never played The Isle myself before unfortunately)
left nacelle
A controller for The isle doesn't sound like the best idea
vestal hound
actually it works pretty well
left nacelle
You would be at a very big disadvantage imo
vestal hound
why? because of camera bite precision?
vestal hound
movement precision and camera speed can be adjusted for controllers tho
warped oxide
i mean... there could be a something that prevents auto-run for a certain period of distance, or time... it's just really boring to hold W for an hour just to get where i'm going to be eaten by the first thing that sees me.
vestal hound
and I think some people take it over not playing at all because their hands hurt
warped oxide
exactly...
warped oxide
idk about the farming thing... i just got the game this morning, so i don't understand yet how being afk could potentially ruin the game for others
vestal hound
it is a pretty big problem atm
left nacelle
Some people sit in a bush and afk so they can just grow. There will be penalties in EVRIMA for afk growing, and an autowalk could let people get around those penalties
outer condor
Also Dondi already said no to auto walking
left nacelle
Yeah that too ☝️
warped oxide
i'll just put a weight on my keyboard~ haha~ i win~
paper oriole
@molten tangle bruh
left nacelle
@molten tangle You know this game has lore, right? That wouldn't fit in with the lore, and they would probably get tons of lawsuits
molten tangle
oh tru
paper oriole
Watch out for the inevitable mods adding it tho
left nacelle
Plus I'm pretty sure a good 60% of this community hates that "animal"
opaque blaze
It looks fuck-ugly...
left nacelle
Also this
ebon tiger
@static steppe pterosaurs can't grab with their feet, but some can dive and swim to grab fish with their beaks. Pteranodon just so happens to be one of those that can 😛
left nacelle
@static steppe Ptera will dive for fish and then swim up with the fish
Damn. Beat me to it lol
indigo sun
@tawdry smelt
static steppe
@ebon tiger
yeah, thats what i said
covert birch
How tf would titanoceratops not just be trike 2.0
tawdry smelt
It was originally thought to be a species of Pentaceratops before founding out its a distant species
indigo sun
And?
static steppe
guys, what do you think in changing the selection screen of the dinos?
like they separate them into categories
like-- families of ceratops, and they put all the dinos of the same family in a group
it whould be more easy to chose dino
indigo sun
Its not hard to choose dinos who needs it to be made easier
static steppe
:')......... me c': ......
indigo sun
What is difficult about it for you? Legit curiosity not judging
Did you mean to put this in #general-feedback ?
quiet shoal
Oh damn, my bad
static steppe
@indigo sun , i always chose the wrong dinos (except the most famous ones) because I never remember who is what.
indigo sun
I think you just gotta work on rememberin em. Or maybe write down what's what on a piece of paper
strange wave
so we have another apex army suggestion by @restive pewter and an "i DoN't LiKe NiGhT tImE" suggestion by @static steppe
covert birch
It was originally thought to be a species of Pentaceratops before founding out its a distant species
what does that have to do with it not being exactly the same playable as trike, except a slightly different appearence
restive pewter
Yea @covert birch do you think that was a wasted suggestion?
covert birch
not wasted since it can function as a skin for trike if those do come in the future
strange wave
but shortening growth times
covert birch
as a playable tho
Useless
strange wave
covert birch
what bork
strange wave
@restive pewter 's suggestion
covert birch
So i seen that apparently theres gonna be penalties for afk growing in evrima, not sure if thats true or not. If it is true then id suggest rather then just penalizing a common sense response to a multiple hour long period of uselessness, that you also adjust the growing times for dinos to something shorter as well. I would hate to get halfway through sub giga then die just because i cant hide in a bush.
idk what this is even sayin
What exactly are they asking for
left nacelle
@static steppe Night should be pitch black. I've been outside of the city at night before and everything is literally pitch black
covert birch
Oh wait nvm\
They are saying shorten growth times but have afk growth penaltys
Yea its pretty useless
Growth time overall should increase
ANd is going to increase
restive pewter
Thats whack
covert birch
With things being added to also speed it up
valid zephyr
no point in playing nocturnal dinos if everyone can see just fine without NV
covert birch
such as eating preferred food
You can grow faster
restive pewter
Theres only like 1 nocturnal dino tjough
strange wave
Theres only like 1 nocturnal dino tjough
@restive pewter for now
covert birch
Even then, making nocturnal animals no matter the amount innate, is pretty bad imo
restive pewter
But in real life during a full moon you can see alot at night
There should be moon cycles
covert birch
And while should be more luminescent, in some areas
Overall should provide enough of a benefit to nocturnal animals to promote their gameplay
strange wave
i want rex to take like 12 hours to grow
restive pewter
Nahhhh m8 you wilding, especially if theres no afking
strange wave
because the younger stages aren't useless now
covert birch
the idea is that people cant go afk to easily grow stuff anymore
The whole concept is
Fuck over afk growers, make growing actually difficult and take time and effort
restive pewter
Who doesnt afk grow though?
timid wing
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paper oriole
No server advertising
restive pewter
It does though
strange wave
afk growing is a problem
covert birch
Hell afk growing is one of the main reasons that the map feels empty
strange wave
the entire basis for afk growing is "juvies are weak"
restive pewter
Yea
strange wave
thats changing so afk growing doesn't have a reason to exist
covert birch
yes juvis atm are horrid, when juvis and other stages function on there own
Which they will
Allows for afk growing to not exist
barren zephyr
@strange wave How does it change
strange wave
@strange wave How does it change
@barren zephyr juvies aren't slow as balls and can actually fight
covert birch
AFK growing is a plight that has no downsides when being removed
Especially when you consider upcoming changes
strange wave
@static steppe deinosuchus will open its mouth when resting, otherwise it a useless mechanic
nights are staying dark as they should to promote nocturnal animals and ptera is already going to dive to catch fish
random imp
so sad to see people upvoting their own suggestion, you know right that we all can see who puts the emote?
covert birch
@static steppe When you say ceras, do you mean ceratosaurus or ceratopsians?
cuz like a charging cerato doesnt make to much sense to me
static steppe
@covert birch "The horned dudes"
covert birch
So yea ceratopsians
random imp
and yhea, i'm with the "longer growth times" team
valid zephyr
yeah i'm all for longer growth times too, though juvies need to be made more fun
random imp
^
valid zephyr
people just want to be perma adult rex
random imp
well they'll be faster than they are now lol
covert birch
juvis are getting speed boosts
And with weight based combat outa the way juvis will be doin more damage
static steppe
@strange wave im going to remove the pter suggestion then, thank y
left nacelle
@fervent atlas That used to be a thing in the past, but it was abused
fervent atlas
Really?
left nacelle
Yeah, a looong time ago
covert birch
Thats gonna happen
Dondi said it in the qna stream
left nacelle
Oh it is? Nice
fervent atlas
ah
covert birch
Also how tf does that get abused blue
left nacelle
People were eating beyond their full hunger so they could fill their water
fervent atlas
i added onto it that It would only give the water around every 2-3 bites rather than just every 1 bite
left nacelle
I made a suggestion a while ago saying that it should only fill your water if you hunger bar isn't full, that way it wouldn't be abusable
fervent atlas
but then that would change all about the water sources for herbis. Who would need water if you just have a feild of like 40+ bushes. You could just hang in the middle of knowhere out of harms way from carnivores that expect the herbis to be at lakes. (If that made sense)
left nacelle
But if you only get water when your hunger isn't full, you'd still have to go to lakes
Especially since herbivores are gonna be forced to migrate to their preferred food sources in EVRIMA
left nacelle
@barren zephyr That attack would do next to no damage, and galli isn't really meant to be fighting anyway
barren zephyr
hmm i mean it was a thought, the isle dinos arent meant to be realistic anyways
in the sense of dmg anyway
left nacelle
No I don't mean from a realism standpoint, I mean from a gameplay standpoint, galli is deigned to flee lol
barren zephyr
right
left nacelle
But why have a bite that does a ton of damage when a kick is better looking and does it's job better?
barren zephyr
is it realistic the way the galli just kicks over and over while running though?
and i said it as like a right click
covert birch
no but as you said
"the isle dinos arent meant to be realistic anyways"
barren zephyr
riiiight.
covert birch
Even then galli prolly wont be spam kicking anymore
Since most animals will have changes to them especially combat wise
barren zephyr
mhm, but it wouldve been interesting to see something like that though
strange wave
its simple galli will drop kick juvies to death
barren zephyr
imo
covert birch
Idk if galli really needs it
Since it will just be able to run over smaller preds
Or kick em
And stuff its size it would just run from
left nacelle
Didn't galli have a bite attack a long time ago? I think I remember that
covert birch
it didnt
barren zephyr
i guess the idea wasnt so much focused on being able to kill with it so much as like "hey get away from my nest" pecking action
left nacelle
I could've sworn it had a bite attack for al ittle while but then it was removed
covert birch
I mean smeeper, a kick to the face of that pred
Or simply trampling it can easily accomplish the same thing
barren zephyr
at the same time, tenonto is getting a boat load of attacks by kissen so i didnt see any reason why not to theorize what it would be like for a galli to get a second one
covert birch
Cuz it doesnt need it
Tenonto if it wasnt pushed into this figher role it would just fill maias niche but worse
left nacelle
Tenonto is gonna be fighting stuff. It's gonna be able to hold it's own against a lot of animals. Galli is designed to be fast, but weak
barren zephyr
i can see both sides
whole wharf
Galli pulls an ostrich and becomes unreasonably intimidating to everything
covert birch
I can see galli being intimidating, but not being able to act up on the intimidation
Idk if thats the way to put it
Imo its standing still kick should deal very heavy damage
Which would push the whole gtfo away from my nest thing
left nacelle
"Unreasonably intimidating"? Ostriches are intimidating cause they can kill cheetahs with a kick lmao
whole wharf
I mean there is a clip of an ostrich scaring the shit out of like 20 hyenas
barren zephyr
i was googling different ice age creatures and saw the terror bird and it reminded me of an ostrich which reminded me of the galli so i was like hmmm that'd be interestingggg🤔
covert birch
CLosest thing ingame which would function like a terror bird would prolly be utah or carno
Large fast land carnivores who bite shit and rush em down
barren zephyr
im so glad collision is coming so there is no more "running through" and "ass riding" now that i think about it, with collision i only see the terror bird attack working if the dino is taller then the thing its attacking so that would limit the targets it could actually preform its attacks on supposedly
covert birch
well if we keep thinking of galli with that line of thought
Trample damage which all animals are getting does the exact same thing
barren zephyr
i didnt know trample was getting put on all of them
left nacelle
Well it wouldn't make sense for a utah to walk on a compy and for the compy to survive lol
covert birch
yea everything is gettin trample
If ya step on something smaller than ya that things gonna either be hurt bad or dead
rip hatchlings
opaque blaze
Just hope trample won't count on Juvies of the same species
left nacelle
I hope if something is big enough to instakill something by stepping on it, you can hear a crunch from the animal being stepped on
covert birch
And when defending them from oncomming preds
barren zephyr
nah thats a bit much
opaque blaze
Yeah, but unlike irl, you don't really get to place your feet accurately
covert birch
I mean, you can tho by just not stepping near your kids
Or by having your kids play smart too
barren zephyr
thatll lead to a lot of issues, i dont see that being a good idea for hatchlings
covert birch
Lil juvi trike having to gtfo outa the way outa mama trike whos rushing down an incomming rex
barren zephyr
losing progress because your parent stepped on you? eh i dont see it
covert birch
What issues does it lead to other than punishing bad players who dont position themselves well
barren zephyr
its going to make people not want to get nested in
opaque blaze
Yeah... I'm not sold on same-species trample...
covert birch
Not really
barren zephyr
why would they want to unless they are willing to risk it for the perks they will POSSIBLY inherit
covert birch
Nesting will have a plethora of benefits over regular spawn in
barren zephyr
why want to get nested other than the fact i just said, when they can go straight to juvi?
covert birch
Perks, not being air dropped which allows preds to try to track ya, etc
barren zephyr
what lol
barren zephyr
dondi confirmed it?
left nacelle
That how spawning will work
covert birch
Thats the concept they have planned atm smeeper
left nacelle
That's been the plan for years now lol
barren zephyr
i know
covert birch
Dondi said it in QNA part 2
barren zephyr
but he didnt confirm it, things could change
covert birch
There has been nothing been described otherwise
So idk why they would go with another plan
left nacelle
He.. did confirm it tho
covert birch
Why would they change that tho, its a great way to promote nesting
barren zephyr
i like the whole cage dropping but they put a lot of concepts out before that never got put in the game
covert birch
And the whole
"You may die if ran over when nested"
Isnt really a thing aginst nesting since you can just avoid being run over
Especially since smalls are being sped up
Theres no real negative other than
Uh oh, X person did a bad mistake cuz they werent paying attention to their kids or to their parents
And would be a perfectly fine way to "punish" bad players
opaque blaze
Then let players pick at least between the 2 colours of the parents to customise your skin when nested
covert birch
that would be cool
left nacelle
@lunar fractal That would be unfair, and no one likes RNG
lunar fractal
yea but it would make the game more diverse
left nacelle
But.... it would make it unfair
opaque blaze
No. Just no. Diversity =/= more fun
covert birch
And elder perks accomplish it in a more fair manner too
left nacelle
We already have more diversity with growth and skin patterns
barren zephyr
@lunar fractal thats where perks come in
lunar fractal
no it is like small changes like a max rex would do the damage but some might be fater
covert birch
Again, how is that fair
left nacelle
If you spawn in and have a random increased stat, people will just respawn till they get the one they want
covert birch
RNG for X and Y advantages, especially in things involving combat, are never good
lunar fractal
only when u are maxed
loud vine
Having more damage or more speed added onto elder perks would make the game widely unfair, Yash.
lunar fractal
you grow for a bit longer
opaque blaze
Unless you can pick your perk (which is already something that's sorta happening), no
covert birch
Having more damage or more speed added onto elder perks would make the game widely unfair, Yash.
@loud vine hes not even saying elder perks, hes saying base adult
left nacelle
But then lets say you fully grow and you have a stat that's increased that is useless to you
covert birch
You can pick your perks via elder perks
WHich are not damage or health but quality of life stuff, at least from what we been told
left nacelle
That's already happening with the elder system
opaque blaze
Then now you do
loud vine
I do like the idea of the two dinosaurs are not the same, but thats basically being made with the elder system considering I would assume there's branches you can go off of with it
Similar to BoBs trait tree but more complex and cooler since it is The Isle, not like "You'll get thirsty slower"
covert birch
ehh not a fan of that
covert birch
Imo perks which directly affect combat arent a good idea
Makes things like playing on another server/being a new player exceptionally hard
Now perks which play into unique mechanics such as burrowing
loud vine
But isn't the "two dinosaurs are not the same" technically being implmented with the elder system?
covert birch
Would be great
Kinda?
We dont know what elder perks do
Just that they will be unlockable and permanent on X dino per server
loud vine
Like I would assume so if dondi makes branches that effect different things, exception of combat
covert birch
Oh yea thatll happen
but im assuming perks such as youll get thirsty slower will also exist
Since i see perks mostly as a quality of life thing
loud vine
Yeah, good point
But I hope if the combat traits are added, they don't make dinos stupidly op unless it makes it into a strain, which is highly unlikely
covert birch
Dondi mentioned something called the "replication system"
And said it was very similar to elder system
Thatll prolly go into strains n combat stuff
loud vine
sure itll be op against someone whos never made it to elder but thats not my point
and thats interesting to know
covert birch
loud vine
i wonder if, as your dino slowly goes towards a strain, you'll slowly see the features of it
covert birch
I mean its possible if it goes the seamless growth into strain route
loud vine
like the neuro one, you'll see like veins slowly show over time
etc
like in my opinion that both be disgusting but badass
covert birch
I mean neuros are practically meant to be disgusting
Ugly lookin deep sea fish buggers
loud vine
i just love their weather control ability that i heard of
covert birch
That was replaced by emp iirc
loud vine
damn
covert birch
but i guess if ya emp a biodome youll fuck the weather in there up
loud vine
Is there a neuro utah? cant imagine how creepy that damn thing would be
covert birch
None officially
loud vine
ld assume it would have like 4 upper arms or some shit, and walk quadrupedally-ish
like something just disturbing
cause i just wanna see a creature with 6 limbs crawling really fast towards me
and probably make me have nightmares
lmfao
covert birch
this was an old fan concept for it someone made
utahs prolly wont get the neuro strain tho
Seems like specific animals will get specific strains
Like utah so far we know only has hypo and magna
loud vine
add on 2 more upper arms, make it run quadrupedal, and itll give me nightmares
makes sense though if they get only specific strains
but neuro would fit utah considering its a smart bloody animal
covert birch
dilo fits it more imo
loud vine
well, dilo and utah fit it to a degree
covert birch
Magna utah already has all the stereotypical "smart" raptor stuff
Like it can open doors climb ladders and interact with more human shit
and has pits like vipers
loud vine
either way, a 6 legged neuro strain charging at me would terrify me
loud vine
oml can you imagine a troodon having the hypo strain and just eating a rexes ankles
crunch crunch
would look so dumb
but funny as all hell
covert birch
Just spits on rex ankles and melts it off
barren zephyr
cankleosaurus
covert birch
Rex player goes afk
Troodon strain goes to melt everything off making it a skele boi
fervent atlas
@tawdry smelt that looks like the old trike
vast wolf
trike dose have eye spots
its detail color is on its frill and osteoderms meaning you can make a brown trike with bright blue on its crest.
tawdry smelt
@fervent atlas That was Torosaurus from WWD
pale sorrel
@zenith onyx That's a great suggestion! 😃
cobalt compass
aye, nice suggestion. but any oceanic related would be dlc and thats not likely to come before the game fully releases
left nacelle
@timid swallow Considering Deinosuchus is going to hunt from the water by ambushing, I think it already enough incentive to stay near water. The temperature bar would just be useless imo
timid swallow
@left nacelle Ah shit yeah I forgot to think about that lol that's fair enough
last heath
Moist-o-meter
zenith onyx
yep. it's a great idea.
last meadow
@timid swallow that's exactly how the water system for deino works actually, bryan talked about it on a stream i think, where you automatically gain water by staying in it, and quickly lose water by going out
cobalt compass
but you need to bask outside the water to gain stamina back
last meadow
yeah, you need to keep flipping between the 2, which means deino isn't going to always be safe inside the water
past berry
https://tenor.com/view/dehydration-so-hot-hot-heat-gif-3543836
deino after being outside water for 5 seconds
past berry
cobalt compass
and freezing after 10 secs in water?
covert birch
@vestal hound the whole rubbing your horns on trees n such was confirmed on the old dondi qna stream iirc
vestal hound
oh! didn't know! will keep it up for the claw and stone chomping bit tho
covert birch
idk if theyll eat small rocks
But ik that there will be more food sources like salt nodes
Similar to those things mountain goats lick
vestal hound
hmmm craving that mineral would become top tier meme again, like that
pulsar lake
Please, tell me what is to modify in this document, I feel that some stuff are unbalanced.
I mean, what would you add, rework, delete.
strange wave
one small change acro is massive
pulsar lake
Yeah in 1v1 Torvo loses to Acro
strange wave
"can fight more or less easily such as Albertosaurus and Acrocanthosaurus in 1v1, or even Suchomimus."
pulsar lake
I'll modify that
paper oriole
Not certain he could knock a cerato over with a slap, cera seems like a pretty sturdy dino, but he could shove or grapple with his arms kinda
sudden hinge
Dude Levi that was a dope suggestion fingers crossed they add the torvo at some point
covert birch
ehhh idk bout torvo
strange wave
i for one really want torvo for specific reasons
arctic nimbus
I kind of like the suggestion but at the same time, it's quite small. It doesn't look like it can even fight an Allo.
sudden hinge
I would say if they equate a bleed resist to cera that’d be nice since it seems like it was a thicker skinned theropod
It’s like the same size an allo tho
paper oriole
More diversity in the nocturnal roster would be nice. more mid tiers and herbis, torvo is a start
pulsar lake
"can fight more or less easily such as Albertosaurus and Acrocanthosaurus in 1v1, or even Suchomimus."
Oh, I meant that brawler : dinosaurs that do mainly damages and not bleed, can easier fight back Torvo than bleeder, so Acro (which is a in-between) fight easily Torvo.
sudden hinge
It def can it’s like the same size maybe a little heavier
pulsar lake
Torvo is 3.2 tons, Allo is 2.8.
arctic nimbus
Crap you're right nvm
sudden hinge
Yeah solo allo gunna have to be careful at night lol
covert birch
Like my main issue with torvo is that the animal is somewhat of a worse allo i guess is how to put it
Like first of allo similar to torvo would be ambush hunters who use the jungles n such (basing this off allos new maddening speed)
They both have a "grab" attack, allo having grapple and torvo having this choke which is grapple but only in 1 spot
The slap is interesting but that kinda pushes it in barys territory imo as a terrestrial hunter who claws/slaps stuff.
Cant comment on the nocturnal thing tho since we have no idea how that will work
If we use current nightvision, vast hearing can be easily used for shit like mixpacking n such
pulsar lake
But I feel like that what I did is only an offensive nocturnal Sucho
covert birch
Like its allo, with worse hunting effective stats (stamina/speed)
And a slap
And a grapple which is only applicable in one area of the body
arctic nimbus
But from what I looked up it could be a bit upscaled to be inbetween an apex and a midtier similar to Acro and Sucho.
pulsar lake
It's a large mid-tier
covert birch
fuckin 4.5 ton sucho vs 3.2 ton torvo
And 4.5 ton is only a the bones of a sub adult since we lack adults
pulsar lake
Isn't Allo going to be a grassland ambusher ?
sudden hinge
It’d be interesting I think it wouldn’t mess with the roster too bad and making it a mid tier nocturnal would make it be pretty scary
arctic nimbus
@pulsar lake I think you should scale it up a bit so it doesn't get bodied. In real life, Torvo was like 4.95 maximum.
pulsar lake
Nah I used the chart of Nova which has the biggest Torvo specimen aka Edmarka Rex.
sudden hinge
I think torvo would be a nice addition
covert birch
Isn't Allo going to be a grassland ambusher ?
@pulsar lake biomes wont really be splitting up animals anymore
At least for carnis
Since preferred food is everywhere herbi wise but can only feed small groups
sudden hinge
I thought carns would have preferred food as well tho
covert birch
They do
BUt if their preferred food can go everywhere
The carni will also go generally everywhere
sudden hinge
And some dinos would have more benefits hunting in the forest then larger carnivores
True true
covert birch
So lets say allos preferred food is dibble
Dibble will find preferred food and allo will go eat it
Since herbi preferred food is everywhere
That means dibble preferred food is everywhere
Meaning allo doesnt have to hunt in a specific place for dibbles
arctic nimbus
I like the nighttime hunter idea but it doesn't look like it can fight anything bigger than an Allo tbh
covert birch
Only thing really splitting up animals per biome is migration paths which are condensed groups of herbi preferred food
Or animals capabilites in places
Like a carno in a jungle will do poorly cuz all the trees
a rex will have plants covering his vision in the jungle
Stuff like that
arctic nimbus
And from what I'm hearing, Sucho isn't going to really be semi-aquatic anymore so it'll be more terrestrial, so who knows how fast it will be. And don't forgot Acro exists.
I love the concept though
covert birch
Sucho is like a bear
Follows rivers, fishes, kills anything entering area near rivers and repeat
It doesnt swim around like a croc
pulsar lake
I don't think that favorite food should be everywhere. I mean you shouldn't see every herbivores everywhere some biomes should have more preferred food for X herbivores and so you find these herbivores in Y area and then O carnivvores in this one.
covert birch
Preferred food is everywhere
pulsar lake
: /
covert birch
Its just it cant feed large groups
Dondi siad something like
Everywhere on the map has enough food to support 2-3 of every herbi'
Then there are migration paths to support bigger groups
pulsar lake
So how can we have different ecosystems in one island?
covert birch
you dont
pulsar lake
Kinda sucks
covert birch
yep
glad forge
Where are the devblogs
left nacelle
We're getting a devblog every month
indigo sun
The first was posted in #announcements on may 1st and its also available on steam. Should be the first thing that pops up when you click the isle thingy and look at it in your libary
honest sparrow
if you look in pinned messages, you can find info on the devs
strange wave
@loud owl why
pulsar lake
"If you post please add this dino, explain why the animal should be added and what mechanics it could have to set it apart from animals already in-game to make it unique so we don't have clone dinosaurs all over. All constructive criticism is to be discussed in #general-feedback-discussion as this channel is not for feedback or discussion. Troll suggestions will result in the poster kicked from the discord."
valid zephyr
@loud owl you need to give reasons why the devs should add it.
how would it play? what's its niche? how would it be fun? how is it different to other similar animals?
pulsar lake
Let's wait for good suggestions about Deinonychus
valid zephyr
levi soon 😉
pulsar lake
I know
paper oriole
A post listing different devs and details about their place on the team and whatever they'd want to say about themselves wouldn't be a bad idea, would help some people understand the process a little more becquse some people seem to think all the devs work randomly on the same things. Probably not a specific channel for it though.
keen trail
“Suggestion is instead of deino having a "thirst" bar it has a temperature bar that goes down when not in water or possibly mud, and obviously goes up when back in those things, thus giving an incentive to stay near water and swamp like areas”
The only reason I do not like this idea, is because deino is a crocodilian. And crocodilians in particular tend to sun quite frequently to raise their temperature. It just wouldn’t really make sense and possibly leave players rather confused.
@timid swallow
paper oriole
Also deinon could be a sort of in-between of utahraptor and arboreal gliders who'll hopefully come ar some point. Young deinons could glide and slowly lose that ability to where it only softens falls, making it weaker but more agile than utahraptor, not a fisher like austro, and not a true glider like zhenyuanlong or changyuraptor
Would be like a mid point between velo and utah at adult
valid zephyr
It's not really close to utah even at full adult.
80kg vs 500kg
very similar to troodon in weight
paper oriole
Its larger than velo and smaller than utah
It could be better at climbing than utah, able to cling to trees but not glide like smaller arboreals (zhen and chang), able to get to places the larger, stronger raptor can't
And would be a good pred for arboreals
valid zephyr
climbing and using its wings to direct falls onto prey would make it very unique playstyle which is ideal though.
paper oriole
Yeah using its wings to aim a drop at a younger age, and at adult simply plopping on top of prwy
valid zephyr
would probrably be best at hunting hypsi, dryo, and taco.
and similar small animals
in groups maybe larger things.
paper oriole
If it is a good player it could probably take out things a bit bigger with a well aimed landing pn the neck
valid zephyr
I'd rather even as an adult it could direct its falls. It's slightly fictionalised, not but even close to half the animals in game.
otherwise it's just troodon without venom or NV
paper oriole
Will troodon climb trees too? Oof
Yea maybe the adults could aim with their wings too, at a lesser degree
valid zephyr
probrably not, but not much point climbing trees if your prey has to be perfectly underneath
the changes of something walking under your tree are so remote you will starve first
paper oriole
Tru
valid zephyr
when i say glide, i don't mean proper glide. more just 45 degree falls where it can choose where to aim in that circle.
left nacelle
@loud owl Sarco isn't being added, Deino is. Also, that just sounds like a smaller, faster utahraptor
paper oriole
Yeah at juvie stage it would be almost as good as smaller gliders, then at adult a leaser but still effective aiming glide
Deinon could also hunt smaller gliders if their niche becomes filled in the future, trying to sneak up on them while they're perched
valid zephyr
yeah defo agree with it becoming worse at gliding as it grows.
start off with proper gliding, and end with guided falling.
paper oriole
Hmn if herrera snags that all-terrain role he can try to hunt deinon in trees too
So he has both preds, competition and prey set up
And is too small to hurt the ecosystem really
valid zephyr
yeah definitely. if deinon can nest in trees, herrea could pull it out and eat it
I like blue's idea about herrea being a complete opportunist
able to take advantage of any situation
steal things from burrows, and grab smaller animals like hypsis from trees
paper oriole
A sort of fox niche, taking advantages of what ever environment he is in
Plus being a pest to bigger animals lol
valid zephyr
anything that gets fox niche better scream like a fox too
I hate them, and everyone should have to listen to the sounds i hear at night.
paper oriole
Lmao yes screams kf the damned herrera
Ive heard them in the woods before it sounded like somebody torturing a monkey
barren zephyr
was about suggest puddles / temporary bodies of water but then i realized that has been suggested upwards of 30 times, does anyone have any negative opinions about this suggestion or is it just meh
barren zephyr
understandable
paper oriole
Since water sources might be filling and emptying puddles don't seem too unlikely too, would probably fixed locations for them tho
barren zephyr
yeah
paper oriole
Think there was a vid with a river's size decreasing
barren zephyr
noiceee
paper oriole
Also tbh smaller dinos being able to gain some water in rain would be nice too
Just from the droplets landing on their face and body
barren zephyr
eeh i think just getting water straight from the rain is a bit much but i think that bodies of water and who can drink from them should be size dependant like if a dryo can drink from a puddle it doest mean a trike can but it shouldnt have to as being a larger animal it has better water retention
@keen trail what would differentiate tupan game play when compared to other pterosaurs we know are going to be coming?
paper oriole
Because he eat fruit
covert birch
Giant fruit bat tupan wen
keen trail
I stated plenty of differences in there I believe
covert birch
I like the idea of a nocturnal omni flyer who echolocates n shit
paper oriole
He could be thrown in the omni roster with a diet of fruit, hatchlings, frogs and eggs
barren zephyr
wait i just skipped a paragraph i am sorry i cant read
covert birch
So this video with the 9 suggestions for evrima
1: nights should be at least the same time as day or maybe even longer, dont hurt nocturnal animals (which more are planned for the future) with this whole moonlight thing plus the main reason night is so boring is due to the fact barely anything is visible in it which hopefully the nightvision rework the devlog mentioned, sleeping is also planned with dreaming and such as a concept with it
2: iirc thats already confirmed
3: they showed how they are fixing that (not in manner described in video)
4: Dondi said that he has the person who does the skins n such is busy working on the new dinos concept wise iirc, But more customization such as patterns (similar but not exactly like the isle way back in the old days) and stuff like changing trike horns is planned
5: issue with self slay in that manner is that people can easily abuse this to create server lag (currently at least, lots of corpses creates lag on the server, idk if this is being fixed but if it isnt rather not have that.) Best way to do a slay feature is have it only availible for the first 1-2 minutes after spawning allowing people who spawned in distant areas from friends to swap. This would not drop a body tho since spawncamping a juvi shouldnt really be rewarded
6: Many animals have been said to be getting updates animation wise so prolly idles are part of that
7: Interesting idea, not sure if it would function too well in the isle but could be a way to diversify carnis by making some be affected by this while others not have to worry bout this
8: Dondi showed a new system in one of his previous streams where if you walk into an object (such as a tree) you automatically walk around it
9: Trike doesnt really need a buff (at least statwise) new mechanics such as locational damage and collision will make it quite the dangerous animal and it def shouldnt be the strongest apex, imo leave that to something like camara or shant (who in the devblog were both mentioned to be getting reworks/tweaks)
left nacelle
@loud vine Already happening
indigo sun
megalania
spare sparrow
ok that fish is physically too large for spino
honest sparrow
it was proven to hunt them
spare sparrow
it needs to be seriously scaled down
ebon tiger
we have fossil evidence that Spino hunted and ate Ochopristis, so clearly, that fish was not "too big" for it. and The Isle's Spino is a beefy monster compared to irl Spino
blazing charm
@wanton root You kind of need to elaborate a little more on your post, a picture of Spinosaurus hunting onchopristis is way too vague.
paper oriole
a rabbit would be pretty useless to a utah, would be like eating one potato chip
covert birch
Personally i feel like plateo would fit more of a wader then a giant platypus
And a platypus like aquatic herbi would fit atopdentatus much more
paper oriole
i'm just desperate for some semiaquatic herbis lmao
atopo could fill the role, he is quite small though and i think some diversity in size would be neato
plateo could do something else i guess, he is one of the few guys buried in the database i could think of to fictionalize into a swimmer who is also decently sized
covert birch
I mean there is a plethora of options
Filter feeders are kinda the equivalent of oceanic herbis since shrimp clouds can = bushes
Atop as semi aquatic herbi (omni too if they made both mouths as a customization option)
Minmi is a possibility
Plateo as a wading animal
desmatosuchus if minmi doesnt go that water role
Like personally i see plateo as a herbi who doesn something similar to sucho enviorment but eats plants
And can be good symbiotically with sucho by eating up plants which make fish harder to spot
paper oriole
i do want atopo and desma at some point (atopo is adorable which is my main motive for him lmao), i was working with what was buried in the database and most likely to be added. If atopo becomes a thing he could snag the platypus role though, and plateo could be something else
covert birch
Plateo has a situation similar to pachyrhino iirc
So its gonna come back eventually anyways
paper oriole
my main concern with plateo on land is his defenses, though he could be speedy, harder to make him unique that way. sort of like a maia who eats pond plants instead of grass, his claws could still come in handy (then he'd be like a bigger tenonto who eats shallow water plants lol)
covert birch
Wader plateo with bary like attacks but prefers running options works best imo
paper oriole
also i got to use a pun for his niche and that's totally a reason
plateo could swim in short bursts to escape preds, like zoom across a river but not for too long, if he took a wader niche
covert birch
another great aquatic herbi can be estemmenosuchus too
Its another herbi croc but who went the way of the hippo
ofc again that would only be a good option if minmi doesnt go the aquatic route tho
Also i dont see plateo being much of a swimmer
You can just make it so its like spino and isnt slowed down via water drag when walking
paper oriole
yeah he would be a good pygmy hippo
covert birch
so like walking in water up to your waste may slow an allo
But plateo would be fine
paper oriole
swimmer plateo was a fictionalization, basing on his decent legs and toes that could be modified like beipi, i'm sure he wouldnt be a great swimmer if you plopped a realistic one into a lake lol
when i look at this guy, i don't think he'd be a great swimmer, but they did a great job at modifying him into one
covert birch
Ik it was fictionalization, but i just prefer the idea of it being more of a wader then a platypus
so a mechanic which would fit a wading animal great
Such as not being affected by water drag when wading
Works plenty fine imo
paper oriole
if somebody else snags the herbivore platypus role (including the barbs preferably) i'd be fine with plateo being a wader, though atm he is already likely to get in. a couple wader herbis would be good additions to liven up shorelines as long as they are unique and fun to play
like para could easily be modified into a wader as well
covert birch
True but i dont really really see em going that route
Kissen did comment on moose shant tho
paper oriole
moose fits shant pretty well
wanton root
@blazing charm the post is a little ways future up I couldn't find the picture fast enough.
blazing charm
Oh now I see, you can edit posts. You know that right?
paper oriole
i don't think you can add pictures in edits
wanton root
Yea just been busy tonight @blazing charm
blazing charm
He posted the link to the image.
paper oriole
though i don't think the picture was necessary either, and o didnt notice it was a link lol
paper oriole
the bronto has a model in the database, i believe (i think this is the bronto). I really hope we get some big sauropods in the future, him being in the database does make it a possibility he'll get in too
covert birch
that is apato
But they are both practically the same
paper oriole
oh oof, but yeah either or since it's pretty close lol
the isle wiki does have it listed as bronto, tho the wiki is often pretty unreliable
paper oriole
Titanoceratops seems to trike like what Tarbo is to rex
not too much you could do with it, it is essentially a slightly smaller version of the other
we have pachyrhino and styraco in the database, this will give is 6 ceratopsians total i think, so a new one would probably have to be pretty unique to be worth adding
actually 7
tawdry smelt
Diagram showing the differences between a generalised Tarbosaurus (A) and Tyrannosaurus (B) skull.
The skull was tall, like that of Tyrannosaurus, but not as wide, especially towards the rear. The unexpanded rear of the skull meant that Tarbosaurus' eyes did not face directly forwards, suggesting that it lacked the binocular vision of Tyrannosaurus.
safe galleon
But you would still see the same in game
paper oriole
so it is not only a smaller rex, but it has worse eyesight as well
nothing you can do with tarbo other than make it a possible skin in the future
safe galleon
It’s like Daniel and cooler Daniel
paper oriole
same with titano, who is a stunted trike appearance and stat wise
plucky widget
what u discussin?
paper oriole
comparing titano and trike to the tarbo and rex comparison, because of the titano suggestion
safe galleon
Why?
honest sparrow
because trike exists
plucky widget
because they're pretty much the same
paper oriole
titano would essentially be a trike who stops growing at late sub adult stage
it is roughly 2 tons lighter
tawdry smelt
Titano lives ten million years before Trike
plucky widget
paper oriole
the info i found states triceratops at around 9 tonnes and 30 feet, titano reaches around 22 feet at 6 and a half tonnes
could depend on the specimen too i suppose
i was looking at triceratops horridus
honest sparrow
even then we have pachyrhino and styraco coming
paper oriole
yeah leaving us with taco, proto, ava, diablo, styraco, pachy, and trike
filling the tiers with diverse ceratopsians
paper oriole
yeah we've got enough ceratopsians with all those guys in lol
filling roles in fleeing, bleed and blunt damage too
covert birch
Titanoceratops is simply a trike clone
Slight stat variations dont make a good playable
And pachyrhino is already confirmed for the distant future so that is another issue on top of it
honest sparrow
tad late blue
covert birch
I'm busy writing my own suggestion
covert birch
But yea
Just cuz paleo wise an animal is different from another
Doesnt mean ingame it will be
Especially in this case
I'm like halfway done
honest sparrow
sweet
valid zephyr
Take a drink every time someone suggests Unreal 5.
lean sparrow
Lol
pale sorrel
@ukoG noS#7474 Great suggestion, with the tree climbing! However, I haven't heard of them stating Sarcosuchus would ever be in the game... I believe you meant the Deinosuchus.
pale sorrel
@keen trail That's a great suggestion as well! Also, if you wanted to, would you be able to exclusively eat fruit when playing as that, or will fruit just be a secondary optional food source?
random imp
what is that corona image supposed to be? it does not look like a suggestion, does it?
lean sparrow
Yah sorry
keen trail
@keen trail That's a great suggestion as well! Also, if you wanted to, would you be able to exclusively eat fruit when playing as that, or will fruit just be a secondary optional food source?
@pale sorrel I imagine it’s a secondary optional food source. Maybe even they could implement a mechanic where if you eat meat more often than fruit, meat has more nutritional value.
And vice versa
pale sorrel
👍
zenith onyx
@paper oriole your idea on the plateo are practicully perfect. The herb roster needs something like that to gain the interest again of the players.
Tenonto is helping alittle but not as much as something like your suggestion.
I hope your ideas are added to this guys if he does make it later in the recode.
past berry
@round prairie quite, not quiet
round prairie
not
past berry
in your suggestion you wrote quiet instead of quite
round prairie
sorry my english are not that good
zenith onyx
@past berry unless you are targeting this suggestion because you hate it, please don't spam reactions because of that
it's not needed
left nacelle
@zenith onyx Megalania's already coming
zenith onyx
i knew it was coming, but there have a few times that dondi has vetoed dinos comming in game. i said that just in case
left nacelle
Dondi's the one that said he wants it, so I doubt he'd veto his own suggestion lol
zenith onyx
he meantioned it. he didn't come up with teh megalania coming to the isle i beleive
left nacelle
Plus they comfirmed it in the devlog. If Dondi didn't want it, they wouldn't have confirmed in the devlog
zenith onyx
okay.
honest sparrow
Megalania is is confirmed
left nacelle
Then ya might wanna edit it a bit. Saying "megalania would be a good addition to The Isle" makes it sound as if you're suggesting for the creature to be added
Rather than the things that can be applied to it
zenith onyx
did
sleek ingot
Does anyone here have any idea what species the Pachyrhinosaurus model is based off of? Is it P. canadensis or P. lakustai?
sleek ingot
I heard lakustai was the larger species
I tried looking at the horn and face integument but it was kinda tricky
At the very least it's ovbious the species isn't perotorum
strange wave
ya know im really contemplating making a giant ass suggestion for an aquatic dlc
fuck it im doing it
zenith onyx
lol.
honest sparrow
Bork time
zenith onyx
?
zenith onyx
Tylosaurus is the biggest mosaur
zenith onyx
mosaurus is the scientific name for it's family. Tylosaur is its name