Plus i doubt youll be able to pick diff stages in sandbox anymore with seamless growth being a thing
#general-feedback-discussion
covert birch
covert birch
my guess is that ya be able to pick juvi and grow
Or pick adult to start off as adult
static steppe
well ages are made with numeric scripts, which instead of starting at 0 will start with the number of adults
i think, so the sandbox could still be the same
honest sparrow
idk, maybe in sandbox elder will be more easy to obtain 
static steppe
i really hope that they will not remove the sandbox
left nacelle
Sandbox isn't being removed
covert birch
sandbox isnt being removed
left nacelle
Ha beat you
static steppe
pew
covert birch
Sandbox will stay
But picking on playing as specific stages will prolly be removed
Due to new growth systems
static steppe
anyway im going for dinner-- bye
honest sparrow
bye
dawn carbon
covert birch
@neat beacon spam calling is already being prevented via the out of breath mechanic
safe galleon
did he just @ dondi in suggestions...
paper oriole
@compact river boi you done messed up
covert birch
@compact river read rule 1
honest sparrow
it's dondi too
paper oriole
He'a gonna ‘disappear’
left nacelle
@compact river Your time in this discord was very short lived
honest sparrow
add another 1 to the list
honest sparrow
yup pretty much
left nacelle
He still isn't banned. Is this the longest someone's remained in the discord after tagging Dondi?
covert birch
nope
honest sparrow
saoul is moving like mollases
left nacelle
It's not?
honest sparrow
what's the record blue?
covert birch
i saw a guy last a good 10 mins once
covert birch
XD
honest sparrow
saoul is idle and so is mei, cmg, talon, and bhaltair are on DND, so best boi and niko are the ones banning him probably
left nacelle
He chose one of the best times possible to break the rules
honest sparrow
probably a troll acc
covert birch
left nacelle
I doubt it
honest sparrow
I believe it, no one would be stupid enough to ping dondi
left nacelle
If it was a troll account, I think he would something a lot more.... risky? I guess?
covert birch
if it was a troll, it wouldnt be a real suggestion
honest sparrow
gotta look convincing
left nacelle
Some people just don't understand the rules
Why look convincing if you're here to troll?
honest sparrow
sympathy points for seeming innocent and dumb
ebon tiger
oh no... not another one who didn't read the rules
covert birch
yep
left nacelle
He's about to beat the record of the longest one to stay in after pinging dondi
ebon tiger
it's literally the first rule too, can't miss it
honest sparrow
idk why he woud go to suggestions first
honest sparrow
more people noticed
covert birch
yep gilbert
left nacelle
I feel like he couldn't find his friend in the game, so he got frustrated, joined the discord, and immediately went to suggestions to ping Dondi to get his "problem" solved
covert birch
And of all things a teleport system,
honest sparrow
for groups
covert birch
Dondi already said ya can invite steam friends to drop on top of ya or near ya iirc
honest sparrow
n a big map
covert birch
or to drop together*
honest sparrow
where we dropping bois, I'm jumpmaster
random imp
@compact river delete the suggestion fast you fool
covert birch
👏
honest sparrow
not bad
safe galleon
imagine dropping into a lake full of deinos
paper oriole
Deleting probably won't save him lol
honest sparrow
we'll know
covert birch
It wouldnt, mods can see deleted messages
random imp
prob, but worth the shot
ebon tiger
aye, since the admins and mods can still see it
random imp
maybe they did not see the ping lol
ebon tiger
they will
paper oriole
Pings stay after messages are deleted a while
covert birch
Ping will be there anyways
random imp
oh, then rip lil guy
ebon tiger
i've had pings in other discords where the message was removed, but the ping remained until i scrolled through all the new posts
random imp
but why poing in in a teleport suggestion? in a TELEPORT SUGGESTION!?
honest sparrow
ikr
left nacelle
It's his first message on the server too
random imp
there are countless stuff more important lol
honest sparrow
has he posted anything else since?
left nacelle
Nope
random imp
It's his first message on the server too
@left nacelle poor guy
left nacelle
This is his first and only message
honest sparrow
I'm gonna go eat, inform me what happens to the poopoo head
left nacelle
I'm surprised he hasn't responded to all our pings
ebon tiger
"Do you want to live forever?!" - Commissar Gaunt
random imp
meh he prob wrote that shit then logged off
sonic cloud
13 minutes lads
left nacelle
I don't get how someone can post something and then immediately be offline
paper oriole
His first message... and likely his last
random imp
"do you fear death?"
covert birch
was literally gonna grab that scene salva
covert birch
@compact river
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1Kdn4FEr-0
left nacelle
I've been in this server so long that seeing a devs name highlighted in blue actually scares me lmao. Like I feel unsettled looking at his message
random imp
lol yhea
covert birch
I remember when ultimate accidently pinged kissen when quoting them
Was the funniest shit of my life
ebon tiger
i'm legit amazed that the post is still there
left nacelle
I remember when Ptera pasted rule 1 and tagged paradym and Punch lmao
random imp
once i was about to do the same, i corrected the message a sec before sending it lol
covert birch
that was also a good one blue
ebon tiger
c'mon, look how people freak out when Paradym pings Dondi, or Kissen pings Bryan XD
covert birch
i almost accidently pinged fred once
That was the only time ive done any almost big bad tho
left nacelle
A year or two ago this kid was arguing with people for over an hour about rex should always be able to kill trike and I made a joke and a mod told me not to instigate. That's the only time i got in trouble lol
ebon tiger
i've had Dondi respond to jokes i've made
left nacelle
In a positive way?
ebon tiger
well... i guess?
ebon tiger
was something like "thanks for the nightmares" or something
ebon tiger
my humour can be pretty crooked
left nacelle
It was nearly 20 minutes
covert birch
@summer merlin they are increasing
But you will be able to do stuff to make it go faster
ebon tiger
i doubt anyone's gonna beat that record any time soon (well, besides devs)
left nacelle
@neat beacon If you call too much in a short period of time, you'll become hoarse. I'm telling you this now because someone else told you it but it got buried in another conversation
left nacelle
You're a bit late lol
summer merlin
Okay like what id play rex and trike more but I just don't have time why I only play a few Dinos
@left nacelle
covert birch
Why dont you grow them over multiple play sessions?
Plus again, growth times are increasing but there will be methods to make it go faster such as eating preferred food
queen mortar
^
left nacelle
@summer merlin Like blue just said. Don't play for 6 hours straight. Play rex a bit, log off, and continue later. If they decrease the growth times, apexes are gonna take over even more than they already do
summer merlin
But if they did it for everything wouldn't it be fine plus i can take out a rex with an apex with a dillo
But I understand we're your coming from
icy lion
you will have a MUCH lower chance (almost impossible) of killing an apex as a non-apex with the new combat
summer merlin
I haven't seen it
But people are gonna find a way and of thats the case then I'm fine with a little longer but it gonna be longer for everyone or just apexs
icy lion
it depends on if youre actively playing, im pretty sure it acts like a multiplier (ie twice as long or half as long)
valid zephyr
@opaque blaze I think that people should have access to the parents colours for each slot. So for example if slot 2 for male is dryo 3, and for female it's rex 2, the hatchling can pick either of those two colours for that slot.
that way, you still look like the parents, but you get to customise your dino too.
opaque blaze
That would make sense, yeah. Maybe allow for 1 new colour in 1 slot as a mutation
left nacelle
@summer merlin Even if you decreased all the growth times, it wouldn't make a difference. New combat will be much more skill based. If someone kills an apex, then that player wasn't a very good apex
strange wave
@maiden cloud animals in real life do kill for sport, so even a realism excuse doesn't make sense
covert birch
I didnt understand what their solution to sport killing was
is it saying you run slower if full?
queen mortar
i could see that being a thing, it makes sense
the running slower if full part
like marginally slower
covert birch
Nah i dont like that
You shouldnt be punished for playing the game as its meant to be played
opaque blaze
RL animals may kill for sport, but not animals that are near their size and could do serious harm. So a T-rex wouldn't try and kill anything larger than a Cera, but might go for Utahs or small herbis
queen mortar
maybe less stamina pool?
covert birch
nah no debuff if ya full imo
opaque blaze
And don't limit running when full, I want to be able to run from Rexes
covert birch
Dont punish people who can properly find food
Stamina prevalence is gonna make overkilling difficult anyways
queen mortar
how do you mean
cyan flame
People will just not fill up if that idea is implemented I think so.. wouldn't really help?
covert birch
also ^
opaque blaze
Not saying KFS is something I like, quite the opposite
cyan flame
You'd need something to counter, so you'd want to be full otherwise.. what's the point?
cyan flame
But yeah, as Blue said, with proper combat balance, you won't be able to kill an entire herd on your own hopefully, unless they're like all, sitting right next to each other.. xD
covert birch
how do you mean
@queen mortar lets say you a rex find a group of paras, from what we know actual damage wont come from bites but from grapples, so ya will need to grapple em to kill em
Once grapple A has even finished the rest of the paras either left or ya prolly wont have enough stam to chase em
literally dont be an idiot and run when needed
if the paras are dumbasses and stay there
They deserve to die
In that specific example ofc
maiden cloud
@strange wave I guess you didn't understand what I said. I did not say that he cannot kill. But when an animal has a full stomach, it runs slower than it is hungry, even for sports purposes. Think about it, do you run faster while running a race with your friend, or running away from a dog?
covert birch
what does running a race with your friend have anything to do with moving slower when full
queen mortar
i don’t really understand what you’re getting at either
opaque blaze
But still, I don't want to get caught by a Giga or whatevs just because I am full
covert birch
^
queen mortar
i still think it makes sense to have fullness boost a stat like regeneration and in turn debuffing movement somehow
opaque blaze
And on a less serious note, I don't want a chorus of AIs
covert birch
Imo if an overfeeding mechanic were added that slowed ya and made ya use more stam in exchange for more health n such it would be fine
But just with regular food no
queen mortar
so you’re better off in combat so you don’t necessarily need to run
maiden cloud
Dude you run for pleasure in one and for your life in the other. It is so when he is hungry. If you are hunting for pleasure, you can not hunt, but if you are very hungry, you will die if you cannot hunt. That's why.So you have to run at the cost of life
opaque blaze
Ok, but how would you do that with KFSing herbis?
covert birch
What stops the person from just stop eating so they dont get the slow debuff
They just dont eat till they are full
queen mortar
@maiden cloud you’re not making a lot of sense
opaque blaze
And running for one's life when getting charged by something out to kill ya?
maiden cloud
You are commenting without considering my opinion. I wish you have a nice day.
covert birch
what
opaque blaze
covert birch
queen mortar
okay, anyways what i’m proposing is a marginal buff to regeneration and a minor debuff to speed when full
covert birch
never knew pointing out fallacies in an argument is "commenting without considering opinion"
opaque blaze
covert birch
Smeasel ide rather not have that cuz that minor speed buff may be hte difference between life and death when being hunted if your full
Imo stuff like this should be put into an optional overeating mechanic
a trike for example would over eat and get the hp boost in exchange for the speed nerf
But a utah who wants the speed instead of the health wouldnt
queen mortar
yeah i can see it being an obsolete mindset when you take new combat into account
another thing that just came to mind is herbivore herds guarding corpses, i hope that’s addressed early into Evrima if not at release
covert birch
Anyways @maiden cloud gonna tell ya this anyways just in case
Stam prevalence will be what stops things like KFS due to the fact you wont have the stamina to keep going post grapple match
We have been told that bite wont be the main form of damage dealing as much as stam costing grapple attacks
For example: Lets say I a utah found a galli herd, By the time i pounce and kill one i wont have the stam to chase down the others since they would have ran away
another thing that just came to mind is herbivore herds guarding corpses, i hope that’s addressed early into Evrima if not at release
VOmit mechanic can easily be used as a method to stop this
herbi stays near corpse for too long
Vomits
opaque blaze
The stress of being near dead herbis makes 'em vomit. Makes sense
covert birch
let em push the body away so it dont fuck up nesting
queen mortar
i agree that the stam prevalence will incur pursuing after a fight but i feel like that comes back to your problem of fleeing bigger danger when they come for you after a fight
and yeah i know we’ve seen the vomiting and sickness etc, just hoping it’s in at release
covert birch
really depends on how close release is
paper oriole
Reduced run should only be a punishment for overeating, but the ambush thing could work
Being slower would just make you vulnerable and punish you for eating which is dumb
lean shore
.
left nacelle
@sterile meteor In EVRIMA calls won't travel as far, so chatting won't be nearly as much of a risk
sterile meteor
left nacelle
You can hold the button to make them travel further or tap it to make them quieter. I believe broadcasts will travel as far as they do now if you hold the button
All calls will be like that. For example, tapping 3 will be more of a growl than a roar, but holding it will be a full on threat display like the current roar
barren zephyr
@maiden cloud good idea
if you're full af after a bigass meal
why would you go out and chase something
after you eat dinner do you want to do a marathon? no
barren zephyr
the naturaal death thing might be cool and urge people to play other dinosaurs because of the closure of having completed its life.
then you have the acheivement hunter side of it...
"Every dino, full lifed, get on my level!" -Future chat flexer no one asked for.
left nacelle
Well the natural death thing is already gonna be a thing. Dondi confirmed your animal will eventually just go to sleep and not wake up
mighty girder
Theyre more suggesting how it should happen then it happening
zenith onyx
i know. giving a how it could happen. not i know it will happen.
But i giving a suggestion on how the game "tells" you when your going to die. It would suck if you just died randomly.
it would be so suprising if you jsut ragdolled to the ground. no apparent reason for you just to dying.
left nacelle
Yeah, I made a similar suggestion to that a while ago. I hope they make it ceremonious is some way
paper oriole
gallimimus could probably eat bugs, frogs and eggs but idk if that's enough to fit him on the omnivore roster because it's not much of a change from herbi gameplay
then again beipi couldnt each much other than that either so maybe
zenith onyx
yeah i hope they do something that celebrates your stressfull victory ending. lol.
opaque blaze
Yeah, I'm not so sure about dying after reaching Elder... Way to lose hours of time invested. But I can kind of see why others might like it
paper oriole
well you arent really losing everything since you get perks to make your next dinos stronger
opaque blaze
Right... Also not too sold on that, either. Kinda reminds me of a "Rich get Richer" scenario. Then again if they allow for SP setting customisation a la ARK I don't care to much
vestal rune
you don't need to become an elder, if you wanna keep living as a dinosaur then you can do that as long as you want
barren zephyr
@neat beacon They already said in EVRIMA if you spam calls too much - you dino voice will fade away with each call
neat beacon
err it's already been discussed and i know
opaque blaze
It'd be funny if you spam it and eventually your dino's voice just breaks and croaks and then you're stuck wheezing as you try to vocalise
zenith onyx
lol.
vestal rune
that's what basically happens dragon lol
opaque blaze
🤣
lone ember
I have an question kind of, do you guys think it would be possible to code in something like scars?
I mean, it would be cool, but it would be a programming nightmare, right?
covert birch
Dondi mentioned server issues with generating multiple scars on every player
left nacelle
@opaque blaze I know I'm a bit late to the discussion, but in case you're curious, here's what it sounds like if you broadcast too much as a utah lol https://clips.twitch.tv/NurturingSmoothMoonNomNom
opaque blaze
Cough! Cough! 🤣
covert birch
@narrow vapor more ai is being added
and herbis will be eating specific kinds of plants
paper oriole
"The herbivores do not eat anything" lol
honest sparrow
^
covert birch
If your herbi hold Q, find a green glowing bush
Go up to said bush and hold E
@narrow vapor
honest sparrow
does he know how to sniff?
covert birch
From what i can tell this is a suggestion made by a new guy who didnt do any research on what is coming and/or happening
we get too many of these nowadays sadly
paper oriole
also feeding yourself with AI shouldnt be a problem atm anyway since it literally spawns by you at 70% hunger unless youre on a server with like a hundred people where you can visit a few certain spots on the map with a 100% chance to find people
covert birch
AI currently is a shitshow
honest sparrow
question: what does adene mean?
covert birch
The concept for new ai seems cool tho
paper oriole
what's a dint
honest sparrow
^
either an impression or hollow in a surface or a blow/stroke made with a weapon in fighting
paper oriole
isnt that a dent
paper oriole
well in that case he should be happy genes are coming too
narrow vapor
okay but i still can't find an AI while on the video guys find it everywhere
honest sparrow
you get hungry
covert birch
when your food is under 70% ai will start spawning
generally stay near water sources since they spawn there more often
honest sparrow
keep an ear out, they call non-stop
opaque blaze
I was absolutely terrified when I first heard them, thinking it's something out to kill me...
narrow vapor
ok and done i don't understand what to do / goal of the game because when you are alone and bah there's nothing to do ?
covert birch
Rn there is no goal
Soon they are adding an elder system and such for it
honest sparrow
there's no set goal, except to survive
covert birch
you can nest but thats not really complete atm
paper oriole
some servers host events that can add some spice to the game
honest sparrow
it's not really a traditional game with quests and stuff, most people mess around doing weird stuff or practice when they get bored
paper oriole
other than that we'll just have to wait
opaque blaze
What's wrong with walking around as a (frankly gorgeous) dino? (Kudos to the devs, the animals look AMAZING)
narrow vapor
yes certainly it is very well done but this walked for 8 hours is not the most fun stuff
yes but a lot don't you think that adding a system to unlock dinos has force to play and not a good idea?
honest sparrow
because we want player freedom? not having to buy our way to play 1 goddam dino
covert birch
Ide rather not force people to play dinos they dont like to be something they do like
Best to just make every dino playable from the bat but the larger it is the harder it is to survive
which is the plan currently from what it seems
narrow vapor
yeah
opaque blaze
They used to have an unlocking system where you would start as a Veloci and then progress to the next dino. The fact they changed it is part of why I finally bought the game
covert birch
@barren zephyr dondi already confirmed he isnt gonna add that
barren zephyr
Oh okay, well, thank you anyway !
austere spruce
@barren zephyr you deserve a little extra explanation i feel, lol. it's just something that's believed to encourage like, afk playing
opaque blaze
☹️
left nacelle
Yeah. Someone could turn on an autowalk to get around afk detection
valid zephyr
i mean autowalk and going afk is asking to die
you're super visible, can walk off a cliff, can walk into the sea, etc
much much better to afk under a bush
left nacelle
True. But I wouldn't be surprised if someone found a secluded area on the map and installed some sort of mouse moving program to just let their creature wander around and only come back to their pc every so often just to eat
bold palm
You guys going to add this guy? Tarbosaurus.
random imp
autowalk
You guys going to add this guy? Tarbosaurus.
@bold palm sure man, do you have 7k+ dollars?
bold palm
@random imp don't be a smart ass. It was a question.
paper oriole
Okay so under the assumption it isnt a troll question
Why add it?
We have alberto waiting already
valid zephyr
tarbo would be a 0.8 growth rex. alberto already fills the permanent sub rex role
paper oriole
Tarbo is literally like 5 feet shorter than rex
covert birch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I0XTzZLZfA
https://clips.twitch.tv/SwissBlushingClintmullinsMingLee
paper oriole
What unique mechanic could it even have
covert birch
None
The one person who i actually see advocate for it gives it a "lock jaw mechanic"
Which is just grappling but different stat variations
paper oriole
Its unique mechanic would just be being a weaker rex lol
bold palm
The Tarbo does lock onto it's prey apparently. So the lock jaw mechanic would be cool, but not sure how it would apply to the game or how that would really work honestly. What is it going to lock on and then the other dino takes off and drags it all over the map?
It has 7 ton bite force,soo..
rex has about 3 ton bite force
left nacelle
Adding Tarbosaurus would cost $7000+ when that money could go towards a much more unique and fun animal
left nacelle
That's why tarbosaurus is such a meme in the community. It's just a small rex
bold palm
ya seems that way
paper oriole
So like 3 foot length and 3 ton bite difference? Seems small for a 7k cost on building, animating and fitting sounds for
bold palm
it's bad ass looking though
bold palm
ya but, point being variety.
paper oriole
Rex is so smeared all over anything dinosaur related that most other carnivores look cooler at this point lol
left nacelle
Exactly. Variety
bold palm
haha
well you gotta do what you gotta do
but hey don't worry you'll sell a million billion copies and can update it 🙂
sell dino packs
strange wave
sure skin packs
paper oriole
Just wait somebody will mod tawbosawrus in if it doesnt make it as a skin
bold palm
yes skin packs woudl be awesome
strange wave
or instead of selling it, add it via achievements
bold palm
or just freedom to fully cusomize your camo and colors like with a paint brush editor type setup.
strange wave
that is not a good idea
bold palm
? why not?
paper oriole
It we bad paint brush skins people would draw dicks and write shit on their dinos
bold palm
oh cuz of green screen dinos
strange wave
people
strange wave
would you want to die to an allo with a stickman holding a gun on its back
paper oriole
People would draw nipples and cloacas and genitals on their dinos
bold palm
omg that halarious
paper oriole
Well it would be but it would also bust the hell out of the intended feel of the game
Maybe somebody will mod in some fucked up skins its bound to happen
bold palm
ya well maybe, uhm, instead of the drawing ability there are section of which you can choose from a variety like you have now only more colors, and then color it in type thing, maybe be able to slightly shift the pattern, i don't know, it's sounding too complicated now.. nm.
strange wave
thats almost worse
a bright pink rex rushes out of the tree line
murders a family of five dryos
paper oriole
Well tbh that option wouldnt be bad as long as servers can toggle it
bold palm
i would like a really dark black option though
paper oriole
Toggle the ability to have neon purple rexes or only realistic colours
paper oriole
We had that at one point, then there were indoraptor RPers, maybe theyll bring it back with a few restrictions
bold palm
Toggle the ability to have neon purple rexes or only realistic colours
@paper oriole could work, but ya i don't wanna be killed by Barney.
paper oriole
On those chaotic no rules no mans land hellscape servers being killed by a barney would fit right in
bold palm
true
so hey one thing and it's not game play related, is when i alt tab out of the game it's sound mutes. I've done tons of research trying to figure out how to prevent that and I came to the conclusion the game is controlling it, not Windows, so not sure if you guys could code the game so it won't do that, it would be a great thing for streams so the sound doesn't cut out every time I go to chat with viewers or in discord or what not.
paper oriole
I think they did that on purpose as a measure to make afk tab growing less convenient? Or maybe not but it certainly does that a bit lol
bold palm
ya, I've read other games implement a checkbox option to turn it on and off.
course i have not had a need or concern with it till I started streaming my games.
paper oriole
Tab out to watch youtube until you hear ai on your isle tab, eat, rinse repeat. I think there was a suggestion about it a few days back
bold palm
ya a solution to that problem, add scent to dinos when they sit, so others can sniff em out, would highly doubt anyone would stay put for long.
paper oriole
Theyre adding some measures in recode so whoknows if theyll change the tab thing
bold palm
ya it would be good to have the option for streamers who support the game and I think my idea with scent would work well for solving the issue with AFKers
you know the scent starts out small, the the longer you sit the more smelly it gets
paper oriole
AFKers will no longer have food spawn on them whenever theyre hungry and apparently will grow slower too
bold palm
ya that works as well
seems forced though, where the small seems more natural would you agree?
*smell
paper oriole
Eh idle animals wouldnt grow as healthy irl too, scent could go on top of that
cyan flame
@bold palm Problem with smell = you punish ambush hunters, who sits in the same spot and waits for prey to come within reach.
paper oriole
Maybe smell could be for sitting dinos
cyan flame
But then people would just crouch instead of sit I suspect. I'm more a fan of the growth times/not a given that you have food right there no matter where you are for combating the whole "afk in a corner of the map" thing. An ambush predator that actually hunts stuff would have to find a spot where there is a decent show of potential prey after all.
bold palm
I'd think smell would be for any stationary dino as it consistantly falls from the animal, so the longer they rest the more potent it would become.
and the longer it would take to leave the map as well
cyan flame
And being stationary is what ambushing is, which was my point. So you're ruining that hunting style if you punish lying in wait like that.
bold palm
so you'd end up with like puddle of scent
you could crouch for an hour though
i don't really see why that would be punishment.
cyan flame
Fair, depends on the time before something does happen.
bold palm
right
cyan flame
But then people would just check in every hour, to avoid that. It wouldn't fix the afk thing, you can't really punish that while not punishing people who are acting the same but for an actual ingame purpose. Unless I'm missing something.
bold palm
if you are crouch moving the scent would be pretty standard, but if you sit there in crouch for 10 minutes it would build up
Also for herbis, they could smell and know if someone has been sitting or is sitting as they would see the smell. that's how nature is.
cyan flame
But then you're back to causing issues for someone hunting? I've sat still in a few trees near a lake for over an hour waiting for the right prey/moment to strike as ambush rex. I'd be in trouble if I start smelling, since anyone coming to the lake would go "sniff sniff" and be "Oh, something's here, let me go the other way"
opaque blaze
It might be like an indicator of "there's something nearby" without actually giving away a spot
bold palm
it's not really that complicated honestly lol
but ya maybe herbies would get a general notification of scent and not a specific spot.
maybe the screen could be a color if the smell is high
opaque blaze
E.g. in ARK you can have a shoulder pet that detects high lvl dinos which gives a status icon. It does not actually point out the specific dino
opaque blaze
It's got its moments. Nowhere near as beautiful as the Isle or optimised AT ALL
bold palm
No offense it's just not my style of game. I like realism.
opaque blaze
Yeah, ARK is not that by a long shot
weak herald
I would like to know what's up with dilo, did we see something?
covert birch
we know that they are getting venom, and one of the things that venom does is tracking
Whatever else the venom does we dont know
Also it isnt stackable venom like how troodon's will be
keen cedar
yup^
left nacelle
I do remember Dondi saying a long time ago that dilo will have an anticoagulant that makes things bleed more. Which is probably why it's bleed is so high in the current game
livid niche
^
barren zephyr
@zenith onyx this might be a little late but when you’ve unlocked a purge, it could also show up as a steam announcement. Basically a steam achievement for the game (I don’t know what it’s called)
left nacelle
@real bison Ceratosaurus will be able to eat bone and rotten meat
That has been confirmed iirc
mighty girder
@last remnant If you scroll up, people have been putting suggestions in feedback for a long time, its not due to the existance of that channel. And you're only seeing so much toxicity for feedback now because it has a specific channel, where as before it'd go in #401464048610312195 instead
the channel does nothing bad imo, gives people a centralized location to discuss feedback and try to help those who are confused understand the difference
Everyone is saying suggestions are in feedback but I haven't seen anyone other then me actually go and TELL the people doing it the difference
last remnant
In general, you should avoid toxicity as much as you can. The premise behind the feedback discussion isn’t so great. There really isn’t a reason to have it.
I guess my point is that suggestions and feedback have become very similar to each other now with that channel. Critiquing feedback for the devs is sort of silly. It doesn’t really add anything of value. The suggestion and suggestion discussion channels are good because the community can iron out raw suggestions and make them better. That really doesn’t happen with feedback.
paper oriole
Sometimes people post very mislead feedback, the feedback discussion is a less crowded place to clear misunderstandings up than GD
strange wave
i am still very against purple plants
zenith onyx
what's wrong with a purple plant?
strange wave
it just would not look good in the very green jungle
zenith onyx
and how would it not look good with a green jungle? jungles have a abundance of colorfull creatures and plants
there are fly traps that are fusia colored in the congo
strange wave
im assuming you want something similar to the old purple plants
zenith onyx
maybe, but updated, less purple and maybe, something like a green bush but with purple flowers or something alonge those lines
zenith onyx
spice it up a bit so it's not the always boring light non textured green
yeah but i have to say those purple bushes did look cool though,
strange wave
zenith onyx
but that's my opinion
honest sparrow
so... has he heard of sniffing
left nacelle
If the bushes made you brighter, no one would eat them cause you'd be easier to spot. And if they gave a ton of nutrients to every herbivore, herbivores would be constantly fighting over who gets to eat them, and if they're not fighting over it, then they'll just be chilling there until the bushes are all gone
Creating hotspots. Which no one wants
zenith onyx
no htey would be random spawning. not locational
left nacelle
You said they'd spawn in secluded spots
left nacelle
But why wouldn't they eat it? If it gives you tons of nutrients, everyone's going to want them
honest sparrow
so, free, highly nutritious ai spawns akin to that of a carni getting hungry?
zenith onyx
remember the favorite foods system being implemented? doesn't matter if they like it. thye might lik eanother food source instead of looking for a bush that could be very hard and rare to find.
lucky finds, not easy meals
honest sparrow
but then wtf is the point? automatically some herbis would become much more viable
left nacelle
If it isn't their preferred food, they shouldn't get tons of nutrients from it. That kinda negates the system imo
zenith onyx
it would be a rare. find. tons of nutrients but little food.
and it would be rare again so it would be like one bush. not three or four.
honest sparrow
then wtf is the point
1 bush on a giant map
that's its upside can be negated by a new system
zenith onyx
not one bush, one bush in more poulated areas. less populated it would still be rare.
left nacelle
If it spawns in rarely, and only in secluded places, and it's only one bush, then it isn't worth finding and people will fight over it when they find it
zenith onyx
that's if find it. and what's wrong with people fighting over food? carni's and herbs do it now and they will do itthen.
honest sparrow
it's like searching for a midly interesting artifact
zenith onyx
HOw you know how i meantion ed before a system where if you live out your dino's life, maybe if you find one it could give you perk in the next life. rare to find. like an artifact but feeds you.
left nacelle
There isn't a problem with fighting over food. But there should be enough of food to sustain certain amounts of animals. If there's 3 of us in a herd and there's so little food that we're fighting, then it's an issue. If there's 15 of us and we're fighting, then that shows we have too many
Then that's free perks. That's op
honest sparrow
there's a difference between competing for food and fighting over food
zenith onyx
not free. you have to search for it.
left nacelle
But that's still way easier than getting to elder
zenith onyx
it would be RARE to find
left nacelle
But it isn't hard to do. Just time consuming
zenith onyx
time consuming. that game is time consuming lol
left nacelle
But there's a difference between something being difficult and something being time consuming
Searching for a bush isn't hard to do, but it takes a while. Becoming an elder is hard to do
honest sparrow
it'd be better as an event, find this random blue bush for $1,000
zenith onyx
good grief it would be rare, give you nutrients taht you wouldn't get from a normal bush, it would be rare and hard to find.
left nacelle
Plus, herbs are gonna start having migration paths in the recode. They're going to migrate to their preferred food. If the bushes aren't on their path, they probably won't ever find them
zenith onyx
hard to find. places that you wouldn't expect it to be. not in the nromal places you'd find other bushes
left nacelle
If it's rare, then what's the point
honest sparrow
if it's rare, what's the point in finding it when you can just eat a normal or preffered boosh, if it's common, then why ever graze/eat normal food
left nacelle
^^^^^^^
zenith onyx
it's just a suggestion. spice up the life of a herb a bit. they have only one type of food source in game. give htem a few more choices on what htey want to eat.
left nacelle
They will have more choices in the recode tho
That's kinda the point of preferred diets
honest sparrow
it's not spicing up herb gameplay, its adding a weird kinda side-quest
left nacelle
different animals will want to eat different things
honest sparrow
does that wrap it up?
left nacelle
I guess so
paper oriole
I was thinking before too with poisonous plants, hypsi and/or another small herbi (maybe homa) could eat poisonous berries and if it makes up enough of their diet they can become toxic to most predators (immune preds could be mono and cerato for example)
left nacelle
Yeah mudbaths will be a thing. They'll mask scent and make you heal faster
paper oriole
left nacelle
honest sparrow
worthy tusk
Mmmm it's mudsy time
left nacelle
Ha, I beat you ptera lol
honest sparrow
first time for everything I guess
paper oriole
Beat you both >:3
honest sparrow
yeah but you had bad tenonto
paper oriole
Tenonto is god
left nacelle
@limpid token Too cliché. Plus it would probably fit better on a strain, which is what Dondi wants to do iirc
paper oriole
Tapwing tisso dilo has a cobra frill/hood which would look good, but no thanks to another dino being ripped off straight from JP by slapping a frill on dilo
zenith onyx
that would be really cool. not having a frill but a cobra neck flap! awesome.
left nacelle
Oh yeah I forgot all about that art. I really hope it gets that when it's added
safe galleon
@winter lagoon you want glowing tattoos on dinosaurs?
safe galleon
And how weird it would be
ebon tiger
that suggest has no place in a survival game tbh
it sounds more like something you'd see in Fortnite
lone ember
I think it's not completley bad, I see their point and it's a cute idea.
But, only for people that really want a challenge, another point, it will probably lag the server.
Because there will be many tattoos that are needed to render, like with the scars!
ebon tiger
that and glowing tattoos is not a survival-positive element
the whole point of The Isle is survival, not death-matches or battle-royales
honest sparrow
and announcing records, do you know how broken and annoying that would be during the first week or so?
ebon tiger
it'll also lead to a worse version of the bigger problems affecting the game now
since we already have to contend with people roaming servers on murder-hobo rampages for the hell of it
honest sparrow
it's survival-horror> not haha funny dino go brr battle royale
ebon tiger
a reward for such behaviour would only encourage the murder-hobo rampages
the game's new structure is meant to discourage it, not encourage it
lone ember
Is that a meme I see there
Also sure, you can see it like that, it definetly takes away the survival aspect and goes direction fun.
But like they said, people murdering-hobo rampages are more easily seen, because they would be one bright glowing orb
But already mentioned, generating tattoos or scars, is not handable by the servers , so yeah
keen cedar
@potent sparrow I feel ur suggestion could be interesting but maybe they could add many different bones that can be broken depending on the part of the body ur hit which all have a different debuff neck: less head movement / damage tail: for stego less damage and for other things added chance to slide when turning but what ur saying could be cool 😃
lone ember
Is it a joke question?
If not, in the channel #phase-two-archive are videos and developement of deinosuchus model,calls and animations
@limpid token
limpid token
Oh I didn't know that
vestal rune
@exotic patrol they've covered baby carrying before, they have 2 issues with it
- Having your babies be vulnerable is one of the challenges to nesting, if a rex could just pick up her children it would be really unfair for any smaller predators trying to hunt them
- Not every dinosaur can feasibly pick up their baby(only really the ones with giant mouths i.e rex or ones with arms capable of holding i.e utah or galli could do it), so it would give an unfair advantage to certain dinosaurs.
they're also trying to keep younger animals in pace with larger animals, so hopefully they'll be able to travel together
lone ember
Don't worry about it
exotic patrol
oh, ok ^^'
potent sparrow
@keen cedar could be interesting :0
strange wave
@valid zephyr we need all of these
valid zephyr
lol a few are troll perks. It's more about how it's set out than the perks themselves
I'm not seriously expecting the double jump perk! 
peak wedge
Inb4 utah perks have louder call and less interval inbetween calls
valid zephyr
borkborkborkborkbork
peak wedge
And faster healing on high places
valid zephyr
Dilo high level perk should be making its 1 call echo, so it sounds like several of them.
for making people afraid at night
peak wedge
Better night vision, and yeah, good idea
Only if theres 8 of them with that perk it's gonna sound like 20 and evreyone will die from the sound alone
strange wave
alternate patterns and skins as elder perks is a great idea
valid zephyr
Some people don't like the idea of wasting perks on aesthetic, so I put them all under their own branch.
That way you can ignore them to focus on gameplay perks.
strange wave
@rare bramble
ruby laurel
Kinda random, but I think it would to cool to have minerals animals can interact with to get nutrients, like clay licks and salt licks. Maybe even small pebbles players can swallow as gastroliths to help digest food faster. I think it would be a cool edition to the whole health/nutrition system that is coming up.
paper oriole
Going to risky places to get extra mineral nutrients would be a good edition yea
rare bramble
yep
paper oriole
Maybe different mineral depisits could give different perks like calcium for egg productivity
paper oriole
Yea sorta
I suggested some large fruit like jackfruit and durians a while back for big herbis like trike, however they could be broken open and be made edible to small herbis and carried back to the herd. The fruit could also sometimes break open on impact after being knocked from a tree, and be a risk to careless dinos standing under who could be hit
zenith onyx
or more nutrients for the bigger herbs because they can't always jsut eat from the non texture bushes. not enough food really for them and herds. if they're apart of one
paper oriole
Lots of awesome tropical fruit they could add, i hope they dont go with ‘obscure round or oval fruit’
zenith onyx
give them a good niche in the herd system. can get the herd or themselves food that wasn't accessible without. herds would want trikes and magy's in their herds.
for teh extra food source and nutrients
and hte addintional perks
from the new food source
paper oriole
Trike, magys, pachys and ankys would be great at knocking fruit trees down, but hypsi would be the guy who can selectively find the ripe fruit
zenith onyx
yeah he would be a great addition to a herd aswell because of that
paper oriole
Would also be funny to drop fruits on the heads of dinos as a hypsi
zenith onyx
. yes
strange wave
anky standing under a tree surrounded by rexes scared to get close due to giant falling fruit
paper oriole
Perfect
strange wave
magy getting chased by allo pack slams into a tree, the sound of large thumps then squishing as the magy walks back over the jackfruit covered allo bodies
left nacelle
@brisk pumice What do you mean?
brisk pumice
?
left nacelle
Like... what do you mean by your suggestion
I think a lot of people are confused by it, including me
brisk pumice
if someone is stuck in-game on a cliff or bugged in something they should be tp'd regardless of the reason
opaque blaze
Isn't that already a thing?
left nacelle
But... when someone is stuck, they don't need to give a reason. And it's up to server admins to do that, not devs
honest sparrow
yeah you just ping an admin
left nacelle
Whenever I've been stuck, I've been helped. I never had to give them a reason
brisk pumice
yeah i did, the admin said it's my problem and he can't help.
left nacelle
Well then you weren't on an official server
left nacelle
Then why'd you suggest it? The suggestions are for the devs lol
You could just dm the admin or something. Idk if that's against the rules or not tho
honest sparrow
more suited for #401481402782056460 imo
brisk pumice
guess i'll post it there then
honest sparrow
alright then
mighty girder
Isn't char char literally just giga but looks different
barren zephyr
It looks more like a bigger allosaurus
mighty girder
I mean in the way it'd probably play
pulsar lake
They're Giga clones
mighty girder
I know its a popular topic as a giga reskin
opaque blaze
Same family. Not sure it's wise to add too many dinos that are too much alike. Maybe as skins, but not as separate animals
mighty girder
I thought mapu was too but wasnt sure
pulsar lake
Mapu and Carcha are almost Giga skins
For the game
I mean, useless dinosaurs. We already have a large Carcharodontosaurid so why add a second one except Acro?
Acro can be unique with a tackling ability
barren zephyr
It would add more different dino sounds
valid zephyr
mapu and charchar could work as alternate skin options for giga
pulsar lake
^
valid zephyr
acro is at least a bit more different, and we're still trying to convince the devs to let it be playable instead of AI only.
barren zephyr
I was thinking for example the mapusaurus could have more bite force than giga but does less bleed dmg and has more speed, that way maybe the game would have more mechanics
pulsar lake
So a Rex ?
valid zephyr
isn't that playing the same as the rex though? rex is faster, more bite force, and less bleed
mapu as a giga skin option would work well atm, as they're very similar animals
left nacelle
Dondi said in the past about adding skins as dlc that make some species look like other species. The example he gave was a Carchar skin for Giga
barren zephyr
U might be right but it diesnt have to be exactly the same as rex bite force or speed
valid zephyr
tarbo was mentioned as a rex skin
pulsar lake
But it would be played like Rex so it has nothing to do in the game.
barren zephyr
Also yes its a good idea to be a giga skin
left nacelle
Plus I don't think we really need any more apexes. We already have enough to support an ecosystem
valid zephyr
what i'm wondering is what happens when a rex, and a rex with tarbo skin option nest together?
use seamless growth system to make a half way mix? like a liger?
left nacelle
I feel like if we had any more apexes, there'd be too many apex species for the ecosystem. Ecosystems usually only have a couple apex predator species
pulsar lake
He can choose to be a Tarbo or to be a Rex
valid zephyr
damn was hoping for liger rex lol.
barren zephyr
Just add a lion :p
pulsar lake
Apexes carnivores: Giga, Rex, Spino
Apexes herbivores: Trike, Stego, Anky, Cama, Bronto
Well, Bronto isn't confirmed and Cama would be an AI, Theri wouldn't be an apex, more like a big pseudo apex.
left nacelle
What about Brachi. Ya forgot Brachi lol
pulsar lake
Heavier?
valid zephyr
yeah theri is heavier
pulsar lake
Wow
left nacelle
And we don't really know if Cama will be AI. They might make Cama playable
pulsar lake
The last thing I've heard is that it could become an AI
barren zephyr
I would ask them to add snow or desert locations in the map but i dont wanna give too much suggestions
valid zephyr
I mean a desert or at least a dry scrubland area is a popular suggestion
pulsar lake
Snow on high mountains maybe, but it still is a tropical island.
valid zephyr
and it's realistic to have on a tropical island
left nacelle
Snow already has footsteps sounds in the game. So we'll probably get snow eventually
pulsar lake
A dry area would be cool.
valid zephyr
dry area could open up options for certain animals to find roots and hidden water sources.
pulsar lake
Dry area : Carno home
mighty girder
what i'm wondering is what happens when a rex, and a rex with tarbo skin option nest together?
use seamless growth system to make a half way mix? like a liger?
@valid zephyr
If I remember right they're technically separate species still, so you wouldn't be able to nest together. They're just the same mechanics and stat wise.
valid zephyr
Ah so they wouldn’t just be reskins in the same way as colour patterns?
I just liked the idea of a liger/grolar bear type scenario where the nested offspring gets a unique skin
round fox
Tho the idea of hybrid species is interesting in general
stuck bison
what kind of idiotic suggestion is 'finish the recode'
strange wave
a trolling kind that gets you a strike
honest sparrow
idk, people are fucking stupid
stuck bison
I dunno why, I mean I see a lot of really stupid things in this discord but that just triggered me bad
strange wave
welp time to get a mod <@&401466542140817419>
honest sparrow
hahA lOoK AT my FunnY RoFLT Xd suGGEsTion, FiNISH thE reCOde
topaz epoch
Hmm?
stuck bison
People being asshats in suggestions
strange wave
honest sparrow
dumbass wants to get a strike
stuck bison
Like, I really wish I could find a stick, and smack them with it, and not in a good way.
honest sparrow
can we make a garbage bin suggestion room?
every time someone posts something stupid, they get tagged and it's moved there
for everyone to admire
strange wave
the wall of shame
brittle ivy
That's enough.
Tag us when you see things like this occur, but we do not need running commentary on the situation, please.
honest sparrow
understood
strange wave
understood
topaz epoch
Dealt with it, thanks for the heads up folks. Once a mod is on the scene we don't need a running commentary though, just like Sky said.
torn thistle
@barren zephyr Gotta include reasons why a certain animal should be added, and how they could potentially stand out among the current dino cast. Plus, iirc, Carcharo will be an alt skin for Giga
left nacelle
@barren zephyr Burrowing won't cause crashing when the code is remade
So the suggestion is kinda redundant
prime girder
I think they’re suggesting they do that for the current build, but theyre not making any changes to the current build whatsoever
barren zephyr
we dont know when the recode will be. i want to play my fav while i wait.
prime girder
i miss dryos too fam 😔 ✊
barren zephyr
same 😢 there is no other dino i actually like as much. im kinda sad about it. they just got banned on pangaea
strange wave
well they legit cant change it so...
barren zephyr
legit how? like they are literally not allowed to go into the code?
im kinda new here so i dunno lol
its just frusrating not knowing when the recode will come, and having to deal with dinos that are unplayable
indigo sun
theyre not working on the same version of the engine they use to make the game
theyre solely working on the new code and going back would be a massive waste, even if they were actually able to
barren zephyr
yeah i know
just frusrated
i just wish that they decided to fix anything before they started on the recode.
we are just stuck with an unplayable game rn lol. not totally unplayable, of course, but u have broken hitboxes, (literally) unplayable dinos, unbalanced dinos... i just wish they did something, anything, before starting on the recode.
would certainly have made me happier as i wait for the recode :
indigo sun
the point of the recode is fixing those things because they werent able to beforehand
thats why they werent fixed before, cause they couldnt fix it properly
barren zephyr
and they couldnt even delete code, such as delete burrowing ability, to get rid of crashes?
and i know the old code is messy, but maybe they could have at least tried? or hired someone to try?
if they were able to write it in the first place, even if it was messy, and corners cut, doesnt that mean there is still a possibilty they could have at least tried?
indigo sun
they tried deleting the replay system and it didnt work, doubt trying to delete other things would work
barren zephyr
that sucks
strange wave
if they were able to write it in the first place, even if it was messy, and corners cut, doesnt that mean there is still a possibilty they could have at least tried?
@barren zephyr the person that wrote that code has been long fired
barren zephyr
yeah, heard about it. does that mean that the code they worked on is "bad" while the code the others worked on is still usuable?
strange wave
yeah, heard about it. does that mean that the code they worked on is "bad" while the code the others worked on is still usuable?
@barren zephyr all the old code used in the current version the public can play relies on the spaghetti that is the core code, which means that it cant be used to my knowledge
barren zephyr
so sad 😦
makes me wish that they could give a eta or timeline for the recode, so i know when i can play dryo again XD. rip dryo, its not ur fault u could game break 😦
left nacelle
Maybe pick up another dinosaur game while you wait? That's what I've done
Or just another game in general
strange wave
or play on officials where im pretty sure you can be your beloved dryo
barren zephyr
yeah, i just dont really like the rules on officals XD
Sorry, im a little picky. the enviroment has to be just right for my beloved dryo~~
@left nacelle what games do u suggest
did someone just say beast of 950
or did i imagine it
strange wave
i did as a joke
barren zephyr
oh XD good im not going crazy. brought me to power generators
thanks bork, i love playing with electricity
strange wave
if you dont know what it is, just dont even try to make sense of it
barren zephyr
okay XD
left nacelle
I recently got Path of Titans. It's a bit early in development atm and only has a few playable dinosaurs, but it's more tiered towards realism and it's similar to The Isle in a lot of ways cause the old programmer is the lead dev of it
summer merlin
Do yell think camalsaurs will be in survival
left nacelle
Camalsaurs?
honest sparrow
yeah camalsaurus
valid zephyr
@past berry if it was more a river hunter like you suggested which had to at least beach itself for nesting/stam, I think it could work well.
past berry
thanks
valid zephyr
permanent aquatics wouldn't work though, as they wouldn't interact with the other players.
also pro tip: don't upvote your own suggestions
past berry
i'm open for criticism
valid zephyr
it looks like it's small enough to hunt in rivers and lakes
past berry
its of course its not permament aquatic
it's freshwater lizard like mosasaur
i didnt wrote it, but i think it would rest and nest on beach
or other places
close to water of course
valid zephyr
yeah nesting on the beach gives it a time where it's vulnerable
past berry
barren zephyr
6m mosasaur is like really small
past berry
it cant be too big
f it was bigger it would be even weaker on land, due to its aqatic shaped body
also, something bigger wouldnt fit in a pond like shown on this picture
valid zephyr
pure aquatics would need their own map, as they would just eat the player slots and provide 0 interaction for the land players.
this one is freshwater and can go on land
so it would actually work as a playable
past berry
it would
valid zephyr
when i glanced and saw 'mosa' I instantly went to downvoted before realising what it was.
it's like a lizard which is halfway evolved to a mosa
pulsar lake
I like Pannoniasaurus, I wanted to do a suggestion about it a time ago but I was like : "A mostly aquatic animal that lives in river can be good but we will probably have tides".
Then, this animal would only hunt small thing such as Tenonto, which is not really small but could be the biggest prey of Pannoniasaurus.
past berry
you did a suggestion about megalania i think
on general discussion i actually said to you that panno would fit more than megalania, and be actually very similar in look
aaand it actually lived in the mesosoic era
pulsar lake
Would Panno be able to climb rocky area, have a tail strike, have wrestling fights and venom ?
I mean, I suggested Megalania for his possible gameplay which is unique. Megalania could fit in The Isle lore as the first experience of AE foundation too, their first recreated reptilians. The lore isn't only based on mesozoic so Megalania can be a possibility such as Titanoboa.
valid zephyr
some of my most wanted animals are atopodentatus and desmatosuchus
both of which would be good prey for this animal and could live in rivers/lakes.
past berry
@pulsar lake panno could be modified due to the fact dinos are mashed up on an island and evolved, so they're not exact copy of real life creatures
i do not say that megalania is a bad creature, i just say that it wouldnt fit as much
its my personal opinion, i just think its too young
as you said, Would Panno be able to climb rocky area, have a tail strike, have wrestling fights and venom ? it can, just not as much as megalania but it can, its megalania's ancestor anyway
another pro to its size - it could sneak up to its land prey in not very deep waters
left nacelle
@mighty lake Males will need to fertilize eggs in the recode, so you won't even be able to incubate eggs without them
think of it kinda like how fish do it. The female lays the eggs, and then the male fertilizes them after they're laid
mighty lake
Yeah, but that's gonna make it harder to nest. I don't really think that'll go well. @left nacelle
left nacelle
Nesting shouldn't be easy tho
indigo sun
well its not supposed to be a female popping out 20 babies a session, making it harder to nest would be a good thing
stopping asexual nesting would be a decent thing
neat beacon
Then males would be useless
left nacelle
Like right now it's really common to see people nesting and having juveniles with them. It should be a rare sight to see an animal wil babies
lone ember
I dOn'T nEeD nO mAn
neat beacon
only reason people would wanna be male is too have cool color
Be a male if you wanna be fashionable, be a female if you want to have children
That's what it is currently
Males are only used on realism servers
lone ember
I think it is good with the plan to have a male and female for nesting
Since the problem that your talking about will now be resolved a bit
neat beacon
Like for any nesting at all
indigo sun
making males useful reduces the difference between sexes, and it means that players with female dinosaurs cant just have a fuckton of kids soon as they hit adult
neat beacon
ye
left nacelle
I like playing male personally because I like the colors, and I don't really like nesting all that much. So if a male is required for nesting, I'm happy
Because then I'll actually have a better reason to play male lol
neat beacon
yea
indigo sun
you say you "don't really think that'll go well," yummy, but majority of players are very happy this change is getting made
left nacelle
I constantly stumble across nesting animals. It should be a rare sight to actually see something nesting
strange wave
my suggestion got over shadowed, im slightly sad
left nacelle
I like your suggestion @strange wave, but I don't think any of the skins should have a "grizzled" or hurt appearance, like you suggested with the rex. That could be a bit misleading imo
valid zephyr
I do love the idea of all the different versions like rooster comb dryo.
left nacelle
Yeah, I think it'd be really neat. It would make hunting easier too, cause you could ensure that you're still going after the same animal even if the animals your hunting all have similar colors
pulsar lake
With your coastline Spino Jenkens, I think I can make the Nothosaurus suggestion. Spinosaurus B (or Oxalaia) could be his main predator.
random imp
meh i don't see the point of having 2 Spinos in-game
they do have a similar playstyle and the current spino can cover both the niches you described.
valid zephyr
if current spino is hippo like and walks underwater rather than swims like it's been mentioned, it's not very similar at all
a wader which hunts large prey and fighters apexes, and a swimming fisher which ambushes small prey are very different playstyles
icy gate
nesting is also particularly common because it's basically the only real goal you can pursue once you hit adult. Having other objectives will help too
random imp
spino will be like a hippo but will swim too, and won't hunt large preys like trikes or hadrosaurs, it does not have the biteforce, even with the bulkier skull. the only way for him to deal heavy damage are the claws and he basically needs to stay right on top of the prey/ contestant, so won't be really able to fight and win against apexes like rex. by the time he tries to grapple with the claws the rex has already the jaws on his neck.
at least this is my speculation on the spino topic, anyway even if i am wrong the " swimming fisher that can also ambush smaller prey" is already covered by the Deino, in the subadult/fresh adult stage it will be just that, an ambush hunter that will feed on fish and smaller animals.
and i guess deino will take ages to grow, so we will have plenty of time to play the " spino B" niche.
valid zephyr
I mean of animals have overlapping subadult stages.
We're getting alberto.
But sub rex is literally just an alberto.
valid zephyr
However if the arms turn out to be flippers it might end up too aquatic to be a playble. Along the lines of mosa.
valid zephyr
yeah
something about the arms now shown yet, but hinted at on the skeletal diagram
may have been locked facing backwards with fused fingers.
random imp
as a side note i have to admit i am excited about the new spino discoveries
valid zephyr
yeah it's a very unique animal.
random imp
it looks like a giant monster salamander
and i'd be happy to see it in game, but sadly as i said there might be some problems
valid zephyr
i'm actually wondering if it will end up too aquatic to be in game like it is irl. moreso than even deino.
would kill anything about it being a grappler.
random imp
i can already predict that it won't be in game, we already have our spino
and yhea it might end up too similar to a Mosa or another marine reptile
sad tho
pulsar lake
Some coastal creatures would be cool, such as Nothosaurus. Spinosaurus could be the main Notho's predator.
strange wave
imagine you just survived a fight against a rex as a spino then you die because of a random chance disease losing multiple hours of progress by random chance
left nacelle
@patent mango Your suggestion would be better if it wasn't a random chance. it would suck to just being playing and then out of no where you start dying for no reason
Maybe if something could cause the diseases, and different things caused different conditions, then it would be a bit better imo
indigo sun
bad meat should be something that causes diseases, not things like just being hungry because that doesnt tend to outright cause disease. like, maybe you eat some really off meat and you get a bit of hunger but you get sick from it in varying degrees depending on how old it was
lone ember
A disease could be contracted while fighting, a bite wound getting an infection!
I in general like the idea of Disease-
paper oriole
Losing your dino to some randomass lethal disease would be so annoying
left nacelle
@quick cobalt Then... don't run through the forest
quick cobalt
left nacelle
Pretty sure running into things will do a little bit of damage in the future, so you seriously shouldn't run through forests lol
left nacelle
@queen knoll That's gonna be fixed. Sexual Dimorphism will be different in the recode. As we saw in the Hope Trailer, female Paras will have more curved crests than males
So obviously the colors will be fixed too, unless they don't see it as being an issue
queen knoll
yes however we didnt get to see the patterns on her tail in the trailer..so my suggestion is mostly a request that it is made sure for that small detail to be fixed... as her tail has cut out shapes for where male detail is seen if you were playing a bull, but since she is female all you see are gaps in her main stripes... ik females get horns that are more curved and such but my suggestion isnt about that.
ty though for your feedback
left nacelle
Do you have a screenshot you can show me of the stripe thing?
queen knoll
i dont currently but if you go into deathmatch and select adult female and play as it you can see them
left nacelle
Looking at it now. I don't see any issues with it
The female just has while stripes while the male seems to have blue on those stripes
queen knoll
if you examine the tail patterns on female the dark patterns on the top of the tail are the ones that have the ugly cut outs..depending on the colors you choose it stands out more than others. l
choose a black on the top of your back then a pale yellow or grey as main body color you will see the cut outs im talking about.
it looks like a kid drew in the outline of the stripes with a crayon lol
stuck bison
When it comes to running through the forest, Dondi already showed in a stream where your dino will automatically avoid things now when running, so like it'll do a small turn to go around a rock or tree that's in it's way as you run forward. I haven't heard anything about running into things doing damage though.
left nacelle
I thought he said something about damage. My bad if I'm wrong lol
queen knoll
if you open the picture in full..the females have the cut outs on their tails ..where as the males have blue filling in those cut outs on their models. ..
left nacelle
@queen knoll The spots on top of the tail here?
queen knoll
those gaps yes.. they stand out very badly with certain color choices
left nacelle
I don't see what's wrong with them
queen knoll
its not as noticable if you choose a dark body
look at the one in the pic i posted
the grey female for instance it stands out on
some people may not care..but for myself and other players ive spoken to its an annoying little thing that just looks lazy...like they didnt even bother filing it in for the female skin.
left nacelle
It looks completely fine tho
indigo sun
i dont see an issue with it..
left nacelle
It's not that it's not filled in, it's just that it's a different color
queen knoll
let me find a better pic if i can
mighty girder
I see what he means
at the very end of the tail
it kinda looks like a bad photoshop job
indigo sun
im still not seeing it
queen knoll
like if you pic black on top and yellow or grey as main body...the gaps should be filled in with black..but its not..it just outlines where male color goes
mighty girder
hold on nines
indigo sun
i looked at these photos like 4 times it looks fine to me
mighty girder
I'll fix the photo to show it better
left nacelle
It looks totally fine
indigo sun
am i blind? cause i dont see it
mighty girder
left nacelle
Yeah that looks totally fine
mighty girder
it looks like a bad photoshop job, same thing happens when you click to full in a color and it doesnt mix nice
left nacelle
The female has brown there rather than the male color, therefore, there's still some marking there of the other color
mighty girder
I wouldnt raise hell about it but it doesnt look nice for sure
if the line was thicker or just not there it'd look better
indigo sun
it looks like the rest of the stripes along the para back, just the light part is thinner. i mean maybe the little line things can be made to look a bit more like the rest but its in no way a huge issue
mighty girder
yeah I was just highlighting what I think Knight is trying to get at
left nacelle
Well I think it looks fine
mighty girder
To each their own of course
in no way a huge issue but could definitely likely look better if the line wasnt so thin or just wasnt there at all
queen knoll
or just filled in with the same color as the rest of the back stripes
left nacelle
I feel like if it was filled in it would look worse. Cause it would go from orange and black to just black
indigo sun
just make them a bit larger thats all that needs to happen
left nacelle
@keen trail Sounds are being changed in the recode. Being all stompy stompy won't be a thing anymore iirc
Plus all the herbivores that really need to sneak, can sneak
keen trail
Really?
left nacelle
Yeah. Everything is changing
keen trail
The dinosaurs will finally be like elephants and just be quiet then? Been wanting this forever
honest sparrow
elephants are indeed apex predators
left nacelle
I think that's the case but I could be wrong. They definitely won't be totally silent tho
keen trail
They are, ptera
honest sparrow
I know
left nacelle
"Predators"
honest sparrow
if elephants became omnivores 
left nacelle
honest sparrow
time to crush some dreams eh @left nacelle
@barren zephyr prehistoric insects are never coming, mammals are never coming, and it would eb hard to work in a mammal like reptile without it being too similar to any other low-tier, or not be weird and bad, frog ai for omnivores might be a thing, but more than likely playable amphibs won't happen, and making terror birds unique would be hard to do. The animals they are adding are archosaurs, and possibly titanaboa and megalania, that's it
@quick plover like it or not, magy is coming to the game, and the suggestion could use a bit more substance imo
barren zephyr
I think that's pessimistic, animals are supposed to fill niches, not constantly fight for control. Like it or not that's called a food chain. So it doesn't matter if it's "Low tier" it just needs to function in the environment it is placed into to fill that niche.
honest sparrow
what niche can it fill then?
potent ruin
Non Dino dlc
barren zephyr
ptera you forgot pela
honest sparrow
pela is an archosaur
barren zephyr
ah i see
@honest sparrow scavenging, egg stealing, worm eating, plant eating, meat eating, fish catching, tree climbing, storing food. I'm a paleontologist, ik what I'm talking about
also war i would love to play a pulmonoscorpius buuut i can see why insects and mammals are excluded
hey war maybe you could get a spot on the dev team as consultant paleontologist, eh?
honest sparrow
scavenging: compy and cera, egg stealing: possibly ovi, worm eating: possibly compy, carnivory and herbivory dn't count, and storing food could possibly be hypsi
barren zephyr
@honest sparrow is it in the game?
honest sparrow
coming my guy
barren zephyr
Each creature has something interesting that separates them from their competitors, it's all supposed be fun gameplay
honest sparrow
problem is that there are things that already fill certain niches
barren zephyr
But you comparing this to some kind of prehistoric competition, there can be multiple of one niche. That's why fighting happens between species
It's nature
honest sparrow
I know, allosaurus and albertosaurus compete for a similar niche in game, but do it suprisingly differently, the difference is that allo has good bleeding and is better with stamina, while alberto is faster and does more straight up damage
I'd like to remind you that it's not a prehistoric ecosystem simulator btw
honest sparrow
and?
barren zephyr
😐
yes they don't have to be completely different just different enough to make their gameplay different, like say what people want with prestosuchus and megalania, ambushers who do different things with ambushing
And dinosaurs are from a prehistoric time period
honest sparrow
it's a survival horror game, with genetically altered dinosaurs, in the modern day
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr Thank you
@honest sparrow I'm aware, so why can't we have other non-dinosaur creatures?
barren zephyr
@honest sparrow none of that is in the game
honest sparrow
it for a fact is coming to the game
barren zephyr
Ik
insects cause theres not enough oxygen, mammals cause it's general aesthetics, and amphibians cause ehh im not too sure about that one actually
honest sparrow
amphibs are a maybe actually
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr you're 100% correct on that, but with genetic engineering I'm sure it's plausible. And yes amphibians are 100% possible
ok so maybe amphibs, but i like arthropods so instead of land insects i suggest things like jaekelopterus and omnidens
@barren zephyr good point
also war while there is genetic engineering it's not quite the level of ridiculous like JP
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr anything is possible, the reason arthropods can't get bigger is because they absorb oxygen instead of breathing. But I'm certain there's a way for it to make sense from a lore standpoint
yeah strains are the penacles of bioengineering and their so modified they can't really survive for long, like hypos starve to death, tissos i guess poison themselves or have extremely short life spans, and neuros could idk self detruct because of their powers going haywire
honest sparrow
I just go off what dondi says
barren zephyr
They gave us a suggestion chat, we're gonna use it
honest sparrow
no shit
barren zephyr
yeah war while i would love to fight rex as a palaeoloxodon you'd have to convince dondi or get a dev interested somehow with the caveats
of course you can't really just ping or dm devs otherwise you get banned
honest sparrow
best way to do it is when a dev shows up, try bringing it up
if enough people catch on or if the dev likes the idea, it's down for at least a tad of consideration
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr I'm not gonna throw ideas at devs, because there need to be a lot of careful consideration on what is added cause i don't want to waste time. My philosophy is; how does it work? Does it work? And is it enjoyable?
if you'd like something in just explain 1 how it could escape predators 2 what unique gameplay it'd have and 3 how it would get food
honest sparrow
yeah that;s pretty much it
barren zephyr
you could also appeal to the crowd by talking in general chat
honest sparrow
that's how to do a suggestion essentially
barren zephyr
bring it up when chat is dead and hope someone bites
Good point, but it needs to be something actually good. Not another dinosaur because there's starting to be not enough room for all of them too coexist
honest sparrow
check out a few of comrade jenkens suggestions, perfect example of format and such
what's wrong with dinosaurs?
barren zephyr
Nothing is wrong with dinosaurs
I love dinosaurs
i agree which is why im a bit of a bird advocate when flyers are brought up, more options are better for players than less options
honest sparrow
a nice pterosaur bird balance for flyers is a good idea
barren zephyr
Yeah a lot of dinosaurs in the game are not being used
like say haast's eagle or argentavis, maybe heck even heracles fictionalized a bit
honest sparrow
just because you see a lot of rexes and utahs, doesn;t mean people don't play the others
every dino has a sizable playerbase, some are just larger is all
barren zephyr
Deinosuchus is a perfect example of variety
yeah it opens the door for more non dinos to get in like megalania
honest sparrow
I'm not a big fan of the snake, but it has potential to be unique and have good appeal