And majority of people dont experience major lag. Its a problem on the player's end
#general-feedback-discussion
indigo sun
paper oriole
Ive died because of lag (rubberbanding) a few times but hey, that's life, surprised his rant is still up
molten tulip
If youre so adamant about getting all lag fixed, make an actual suggestion on how to set up server networks instead of angrily ranting "fix it its bad" 
thats the difference between complaining and suggesting
left nacelle
yeah it is a suggestion because that needs to be freakin fixed and I highly doubt you have not received lag before on this game don't try and start something with me because you don't like what I have to say and your also complaining because your complaining about my suggestion.
@unborn wigeon "Fix this" isn't a suggestion. It's a complaint. Explaining a solution that could be implemented is a suggestion. For example: I suggest you check and make sure the lag isn't on your end before screaming at the devs
and yes, I have experienced lag, but it's been so minimal that it wasn't worth complaining about. And it was almost always on my end
unborn wigeon
Blue bird I literally just told you shut up so why don’t you do me a favor and stop bothering me about a suggestion I made and YES it’s also a complaint because that was retarded that I lost a 3-4 Dino your being really freakin annoying about something that was in no way shape or form related to you I have no idea why you keep bothering me about this and no it’s not my computer it’s the fact that there was 80 people in 1 fuckin server and the my SUGGESTION was for the devs to make it so that a measly 80 people wouldn’t cause my freakin game to crash while I’m playing.
left nacelle
@unborn wigeon Chill. If you don't want people talking to you about a suggestion, then don't make one. There's a reason #general-feedback-discussion exists
unborn wigeon
I swear man if you bother me one more time I’m just gonna straight block you
left nacelle
Go ahead, I couldn't care less
indigo sun
If youre so pissed then block blue. Simple, bud
left nacelle
☝️
unborn wigeon
Ok then shut up if you don’t care god I didn’t make the suggestion for you
indigo sun
I think you need an icepack or somethin, cause you gotta chill.
unborn wigeon
Oh my god this is straight up dumb I’m not dealing with this with this.
indigo sun
Cool
harsh silo
The a n g e r
ebon tiger
i mean, this channel exists for people to discuss ideas put forward in a suggestion, so why so angry that people are discussing it
though to be honest, your suggestion was less a suggestion, and more of a demand to fix a problem, which you didn't really explain either
harsh silo
How's this so this can all be dropped.
It could've fit better on #401481402782056460, obviously with a more calm and collected approach to it
indigo sun
Theyre aware of the lag. They're doing their best to fix it but sometimes it just isnt the devs fault. You might be using a server thats far away from you, or running your settings too high or your internet could just be shitting itself like mine does on occasion.
ebon tiger
...the fuck? the angry guy called me on Discord, but it so quick i couldn't answer it
now he's blocked me?
indigo sun
Love those types of people
paper oriole
How much you wanna bet he's a rex main
ebon tiger
why'd he try calling me? and 3 seconds is not enough time to respond when you're not expecting one
brittle ivy
That’s enough, now.
The message is better suited for #401481402782056460 and has been removed from #general-feedback. Note - posts within feedback must contain a level-headed critique and not an expletive fueled complaint or else it will be removed. Constructive criticism is welcome here, but fiery rants are not helpful for the development team.
left nacelle
@fathom bridge New map only has 3 islands. 4 if you stretch the definition a bit
left nacelle
Oh really? Do you have an image of the new one?
covert birch
left nacelle
Oooooh
Makes me more excited
@fathom bridge Sorry about the misinformation I posted, didn't realize the map was old. I think the ecosystem could still work out if everything is scaled properly. For example, if you have too many apex predators, balance it out by having more large herbivores, and then balance that out by having more medium sized carnivores, etc etc
I could be wrong tho
But also remember: The dinosaurs in The Isle are human made animals, they aren't the same as their real life counterparts. So just cause one animal did something in real life, doesn't mean it'll do that in game too
You've also gotta take into account that not all the animals lived together irl, so some niches need to be swapped around to make the ecosystem work
indigo sun
This is a very long-winded suggestion
covert birch
@fathom bridge type it out in 1 message, instead of multiple smaller ones
Hell write it on a google doc then copy paste it
icy lion
TLDR some dinos shouldnt be able to spawn on certain islands to create a different ecosystem (not one dino is only on one island, but a dino might be excluded from 1 or 2)
i think at least
covert birch
imo as the island gets larger more things should psawn on it
So that tiny island would have only cerato and smaller spawn on it
Then the top right have midtiers and down
Then the 2 middle large ones have all things
icy lion
the small islands could be a bit more "exclusive" in their spawns, might end up interesting
tbh i think the biggest island shouldnt have any exclusion
covert birch
yea the 2 larger islands should have everythin
icy lion
but i do like the general concept of separate spawns
covert birch
that added onto the whole things spawn near where they live, would help build ecosystems
icy lion
some islands could also have select plants, so even trying to travel to one might not be a good idea
covert birch
Dondi said everywhere on the map can support 2-3 of each herbi
wise warren
If you want a exact ecosystem of the prehistoric with each dino being in its own proper environment, maybe the isle isnt the best
lucid carbon
How big is the map compared to v3?
covert birch
4x the size
icy lion
@fathom bridge might want to make a google doc and link that, dont wanna get bonked by a mod
indigo sun
This suggestion is almost an hour long
icy lion
lots of it is water but theres more landmass as well
indigo sun
Nevermind it is an hour long.
icy lion
oh no saouls here hi sooooool
i like the idea though, would make every life a bit more unique
icy lion
oh jesus
indigo sun
Ooooof
lucid carbon
So is every island gonna have every herbi?
icy lion
LUL
wise warren
Rip
lucid carbon
What happened
indigo sun
Someone mouthed off
icy lion
ok well it was a good idea, lets hope cooler heads prevail. thanks for cleaning that up saoul
lucid carbon
What did he say
icy lion
he told sauol not to "be a smart aleck and let me make a request"
indigo sun
Told saoul to not be.. snarky was it?
severe idol
Bonking happened.
indigo sun
Smart aleck, thats it
icy lion
we need a bonk emote
lucid carbon
icy lion
brick and newspaper are good but theyre not ours ya know
severe idol
Man. I wasn't even being a bastard either...
icy lion
lmao, wait till they see you when people are being really garbage
or are they super bonked
barren zephyr
indigo sun
Noice
paper oriole
damn i missed something juicy ):
oblique sluice
Oh man, that deino damage sound suggestion made me laugh more than in the whole quarantine
Deltradromeus is cool but also a big fat headache to balance if it's that fast
valid zephyr
Yeah that's what i'm scratching my head about. It's cool and unique, but is a balance nightmare.
It sucks how every single large animal has to be a slow brawler, but the second you give the playerbase anything else they abuse it.
molten tulip
Isnt deltadromeus just a carno clone
Remaining in open plains and hunting through speed alone, while avoiding hesvy fighting by running away is literally what carnos do
ashen elm
Yea Deltradromeus got assigned back into Abelisauridae, it's not in Neovenatoridae anymore.
blazing charm
Not sure what that has to do with Delta being a gameplay clone of Carno, but okay
molten tulip
carno is a prominent abelisaur
its not only a gameplay clone but its also a representative from an already represented group
blazing charm
Oh, well I don't know the whole uh, scientific family name stuff. I know I sound super ignorant but it's such a mouthful sometimes.
molten tulip
Yeah dont worry phylogeny gets confusing af
All i know is a few groups and what traits they have, beyond that i get confused
valid zephyr
the large fossil makes it a lot bigger than carno.
with a long neck and slnder build, it could open up ways for it to hunt differently too
carno is short and stubby
molten tulip
how would a long neck add a unique playsttle is where im not understanding
valid zephyr
it's like the length and height of rex, but not even close to the weight
running alongside prey and biting while moving parrelel to it
before retreating out of reach
ashen elm
The issue with Deltadromeus is we don't really know what it is. I don't think it has proportions like Carno, but does seem to be related to it.
It's probably a Noasaurid rather than a straight up Abelisaurid. The thing with Noasaurids is some are herbivores...
aka these guys
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Velocisaurus.jpg
molten tulip
thats what carnos do already though
valid zephyr
being fast doesn't instantly mean it's a carno clone
there is room for more than one fast carnivore in the game
blazing charm
No, but the idea of only hunting prey smaller than you, AND the fast movementy speed is what makes it a Carno clone.
molten tulip
Sure there can be two fast dinos but theyd play the exact same
ashen elm
Delta may not be a carnivore. 
It would make sense, the area it is found in doesn't have a lot of herbivores and some Nosaurids have been found to be herbivores. I wouldn't be surprised.
pulsar lake
It could be a swallower so it can just hunt what it can swallow, but that would be better for Gigantoraptor.
I kinda like the idea of Deltadromeus but I've already talked with Comrade that there were going to be some issues. But a long necked "apex" that hunts small things looks kinda fun.
valid zephyr
tbh with the current standard for redundancy i'm pretty sure if i suggested some of the current already in game dinos they would be called out as pointless clones.
gigantoraptor has the point where it can eat fruit and bushes too
which does make it different from carno
though lots of people still think it's carno clone
ashen elm
I think there could be room for another fast carnivore yea and to be fair, with monster Spino accuracy isn't the biggest deal anyway.
pulsar lake
But if it's an herbivore then I don't see so much things working with, swamp dweller would be Deinocheirus and insectivore surely Theriz or Plateo.
Giganto is clearly not a carno clone lmao. Being fast and hunting small things =/= carno niche.
I mean, Giganto could be a Hypsi, Troo, Herrera hunter. Really small game and then it's mostly an herbivore.
valid zephyr
could delta potentially be an omnivore?
ashen elm
Hmm yea actually
valid zephyr
I mean i'd prefer cheirus as a large omnivore as it's less similar to giganto
and i really really want giganto
pulsar lake
Cheirus apex
Giganto or Delta mid tier (even if Delta is apex sized)
Small tier Ovi
valid zephyr
an omni delta seems a lot like plateosaurus which is coming
ashen elm
Giganto would be cool. The only thing I worry about it is preventing abuse of smaller dinosaurs if it is fast.
valid zephyr
I mean I made a giganto suggestion ages ago.
super weak peck which it can use while mobile.
very powerful kick which uses stam and only while stationary.
molten tulip
their speed could pribably be more optimized for moving between food sources than actively hunting and tracking prey since theyre omnivores
valid zephyr
so it can fight off mid sized animals, but not chase them
pulsar lake
Some specimen of Deinocheirus
ashen elm
Oh that makes sense. I like that idea. make it the same for Galli
pulsar lake
Giganto could kick and peck, but it would only be able to swallow.
valid zephyr
yeah galli machinegun kick needs to go
I think omnivores in general should only have access to certain plants and only be able to swallow smaller animals.
otherwise they're just carnis and herbis in one animal with no downsides
pulsar lake
I mean, Never a Giganto will hunt an Utah but maybe fight back.
I think omnivores in general should only have access to certain plants and only be able to swallow smaller animals.
@valid zephyr ^
ashen elm
That's fine with me. None of the omnivores that I know of have big teeth to rip apart prey anyway
pulsar lake
Omnivore should be able to eat berries and swallow little animals.
ashen elm
I wonder if herds would tolerate omnis? They may not target you, but your juvies...
valid zephyr
herbis: leaves, grass, fruit, berries
carnis: all meat, eggs
omnis: eggs, berries, fruit, meat they can swallow in one go
pulsar lake
I mean, Deinocheirus diet would be fish and aquatic plants (like Beipiao but Deinocheirus is still massive and can live in land).
Giganto little animals and berries
Ovi would eat berries and eggs
Beipiao just like Cheirus
ashen elm
I'm happy Beip got confirmed omnivore. 
pulsar lake
But, now we're going to have a "semi aquatic" mini theri, why not add Deinocheirus as a swamp dweller ?
valid zephyr
i mean i wouldn't put it past a cheirus to eat a passing hypsi...
pulsar lake
Nah Cheirus shouldn't be able to eat meat but that my opinion. Fish, plants but favorite diet would be aquatic plants.
valid zephyr
like the pelican eating the pigeon
ashen elm
Even if it's realistic, it'd probably be weird to have hadrosaurs eat crabs. also we have no crab ai 
valid zephyr
oof
valid zephyr
agreed
ashen elm
❤️ Cherry
I need to make a document for him one day and highlight differences between it and monster Spino
molten tulip
deinocheirus makes me happy every time i see it
pulsar lake
And theri
molten tulip
look at the murder duck
pulsar lake
You can look some old Cheirus suggestions to take inspirations
valid zephyr
ironically i think an omni delta would work in a forest better, while a carni version would work in the plains more.
long neck to pick fruit
or snatch hypsis from their happy little nests in trees
ashen elm
I probably will. Though I guess the major difference in gameplay would be it's more a wader compared to river Spoon.
rip Hypsis
valid zephyr
I actually feel bad saying that
valid zephyr
probs even faster than dryo as it's much smaller
barren zephyr
No its slow
valid zephyr
fast as in growth time
pulsar lake
Isn't this one oversized ?
valid zephyr
we summoned him!
ashen elm
Oh I just noticed the name lol
compact coyote
covert birch
inb4 gigantoraptor spam kicks midtiers to death like current galli
compact coyote
valid zephyr
that's horrifying
compact coyote
in all seriousness that can be easily avoided without completely invalidating it
valid zephyr
i'd rather fix gallis flaws and implement giganto, rather than add it with gallis flaws on a second animal
compact coyote
^
covert birch
oh gallis flaws are generally an easy fix
Just think trolly giganto would be a fun sight
unless your the midtier
compact coyote
it would be funny for a little bit i do agree, seeing a giganto attempt to run down a carno while spam kicking would be pretty funny
molten tulip
i liked the suggestion to make gigantoraptor only use strong kicks while standing in place or walking
so it cant chase down and terrorize anything it cant kill with its primary attack
compact coyote
heres the thing, you would probably need to change how kicks work in relation to hitboxes too, cause then a running kick could definitely work, but it would need to act more like a stomp as it runs kinda deal, meaning it can only run kick stuff thats physically smaller than the height it can lift its leg up to, so the medium playables are out of the question
covert birch
it doesnt need a running kick with trample
compact coyote
either that aswell^
covert birch
literally just run over small tiers
Then stay mostly stationary for large stuff
left nacelle
@balmy gust A first person view won't help with that. There'll still be plants in front of you
balmy gust
But when my dinos head is sticking out already, so would my camera
left nacelle
But if you're running through a forest, your dinos head will still have plants in front of it
If you're out of the forest enough that your animal's head isn't in plants, then you can just tilt the camera up a bit
@raw crow Talk in here or a mod will get ya
left nacelle
I don't think it would do much really
raw crow
heres a species of ants that would be in the game if this idea was realitiy Yea but minor details
its just a idea to me i think it ok
left nacelle
Well most of the game's animals are so big that ants wouldn't be noticable
raw crow
the wild doesent realy have that many things in it true
your right there
plus i doubt dondi will make a dino that ate ants if there was one
left nacelle
Compy seems like the best thing when it comes to eating ants, but they're gonna be scavengers. I could see them eating ants, but adding an entirely new food source for one animals seems like a bit much in my opinion
raw crow
Yea
plus i think the only ants compy would eat are probs leaf cutter queens are big
and so are majors
Plus i bet dondi probs wont do it anyway
extra work
left nacelle
Well Don's not the one who does it. Plus ants are so small that they would probably be a texture rather than a 3D model, so it wouldn't be hard to do, but it also wouldn't be worth the effort
left nacelle
Yeah, there've been much worse idea than that lol
covert birch
@raw crow Cryo is literally dilo but slightly larger, also acid spit in general would be a better fit for strains
frosty igloo
@covert birch I think a good idea to consider is instead of proto give psittacosaurus the ability to do so as many people mentioned before they should be the prerie dog of the isle or maybe give it a similar ability to protoceratops but give it the ability to have many chambers and food storages as well as let it feed off roots
covert birch
Imo dryo would be the prairie dog/meerkat
frosty igloo
I just think that our small friend deserves some more love
covert birch
And taco if anything imo should weaponize them quills like a porcupine
frosty igloo
That is a possible suggestion
and maybe even make them be able to hide in logs and nest in there
covert birch
Imo logs wouldnt really be a good spot to hide or nest
CUz larger stuff can A: break it prolly similar to trees
B: a smart carni will always check inside
frosty igloo
yeah true
covert birch
maybe in a chase sure
But in a more permanent situation nah
covert birch
roots would have the same issues
frosty igloo
yeah but where else
covert birch
Burrows, tops of trees
Cuz at least burrows can be defended better than a log ya were hiding in that was just broken
and not everythin can tree climb
frosty igloo
I don't think they can't climb as well
covert birch
nor are all trees destroyable iirc
frosty igloo
*can
covert birch
Oh proto and taco specifically would be burrow bois
Im just saying in general for smalls
covert birch
oh yea def
Taco would have the most issues of these animals which is why imo it should use its quills as a weapon
paper oriole
??????? Carnis have more apexes though??
covert birch
I guess he may be including non survival
paper oriole
I guess lol
Adding yet another carni apex would do nothing to help the unbalanced faction bases, and a speedy apex could destroy the mid and small tier population
Like giga but worse
honest sparrow
carno
honest sparrow
exactly
covert birch
Imo they dont need to add any other large carnivores other than acro (or siats to replace acro)
Focus on omnis instead
Such as silosuchus
(which would be a midtier but still a good choice)
paper oriole
Acro is the closest thing to an apex carni they should add now until full aquatics come if that happens
honest sparrow
i mean besides cherry for omni apex, what do we have?
covert birch
yea pretty much
honest sparrow
yeah I agree with that sentiment
paper oriole
Theri could be omni
covert birch
There is no other omni apex other than cherry and theri
and that thing comrade suggested (if it was omni irl)
but since it was a neovenatoridae i doubt its omni
paper oriole
Gigantoraptor could be a mid tier omni, theri and cherry apexes
covert birch
Im still not fond of the idea of cherry until we see how omni dietary systems work
same with theri bein omni
honest sparrow
I'm sure they'll come up with a cool omni apex
paper oriole
Yeah theyre probably testing the waters with the few tiny omnis
Deinocheirus could be a grizzly bear, people call sucho the grizzly bear but he's a carnivore
Bears are omnivores
honest sparrow
same as foxes
covert birch
Sucho is if ya took a polar bear (since they are only carnivores) and made it act like a grizzly
I think pizzlys are basically that actually
honest sparrow
tupan for flying omni or na?
covert birch
Tupan is the best choice for omni flyer
Most other omni flyers are small enough to have a chance to lose to compy
paper oriole
Tupan would be a cool woodland flyer
covert birch
yea i see tupan basically as a pterosaur fruit bat
Tree boi, omni/insectivore, and echolocation imo can fit it well to help find them tiny animals
paper oriole
While pterano is cliffs, tupan nests in trees and eats fruit and tiny animals
honest sparrow
yeah it's about as big as ptera
honest sparrow
pterano is a gannet
paper oriole
Or that
honest sparrow
that comes in to occasionally bully things and scavenge
honest sparrow
idk, fast food velo sounds good to me
covert birch
Velo vs ptera would be similar to quetz vs utah
Whoever gets the first attack would prolly win
paper oriole
Ptero could be a crow, nainly a scavenger but can harrass hatchlings and annoy large animals
Harrass smaller juvies too
honest sparrow
as long as tupy can't invalidate ptera altogether, I'm fne
covert birch
it wouldnt
paper oriole
Tupa's beak isnt suited to peck at babies
covert birch
Tupan would be a swallower type thing
Only eat animals small enough for it to just gulp down
paper oriole
It could only go for little hatchlings, frogs, bugs and fruit
honest sparrow
cool then
frosty igloo
I think it would be cool to have small fliers
*flyiers
they could eat fruit and AI
honest sparrow
no the first one was right
frosty igloo
oops
honest sparrow
rip
frosty igloo
I'm big brain
Well back to what I was saying they could also ride big dinos for transport
or a kind of flier who could drink blood from slepping dinos
would be cool
covert birch
I doubt well be able to ride quetz flyers
Especially with only tribals being the ones who can enslave animals, and tribals being 9 foot tall buggers prolly would make a quetz having one riding it very difficult
Also imo the smallest a flyer should go size wise is dimorphodon, cuz at least then its still small but bulky enough to not die to a compy
honest sparrow
velo has a good chance considering all the animals around it's size coming
frosty igloo
same as taco and oreo
covert birch
Yes but remember dondi said compy would be the smallest thing
frosty igloo
wait wut
honest sparrow
velo's bigger than compy
covert birch
So if something were to lose to it that would push it to being as weak
honest sparrow
wait nvm
covert birch
Velo, taco and oreo are much larger that compy
frosty igloo
so no playable AI 😭
covert birch
What?
Compy is the smallest playable
Velo and taco and oreo are larger than compy
So by that logic, velo and taco may be playable
frosty igloo
rip oreo
honest sparrow
I mean rhampho has my vote, but it is small enough to have to really struggle with compy
frosty igloo
unless...
honest sparrow
I still need that jungle eco
covert birch
Oro is the other yellow
Hypsi is the dark blue that looks like oro
Homalo is the black under kentro
Everything is larger than compy
frosty igloo
where is dryo?
covert birch
its the pink under dilo
frosty igloo
noice
honest sparrow
yeah, very low chance for my boi to get in
frosty igloo
not really its bigger than compy
covert birch
Mito remember that flyers are literally kites
frosty igloo
it could be the could be the compy of the sky.....
covert birch
The thing may be larger size wise
But weight wise ehhhhh
Dimorpho at least is much more heavyweight compared to stuff like rhamp
honest sparrow
I mean, all small pteros are generally around this size range
frosty igloo
dimporpho can ride big bois for transportation
covert birch
I did a suggestion for dimorpho making it basically an oxpecker
frosty igloo
I just think a small blood sucking dino could become useful once humans are added
covert birch
frosty igloo
oh yeah I saw that
honest sparrow
I mean, nycta is an option. but that's a bit weird
honest sparrow
no, not anhanguera
frosty igloo
im just saying a small flier that can attack a human and drink from it
as in attach
covert birch
Dimorphodon or any other smaller side toothy bois would be best for that imo
honest sparrow
if we did get rhampho, sandpiping would be a cool mechanic I guess, but generally dimporpho is more popular and bulkier,
frosty igloo
it would be the kind of flier that makes you say "AHHHHHHHHHHHH WHATS THAT" if your new and if you already know"OH Boy its this thing again"
if thier on you drinking
would add "horror"
honest sparrow
for the purposes of gameplay, bait balls would also be welcome food in the open ocean
covert birch
i looked up sandpiping and you now ruined rhampho for me pteradon
covert birch
Yea i didnt realize that until too late
honest sparrow
oh
frosty igloo
MY EYES
honest sparrow
oh
covert birch
add * around the words
frosty igloo
what about making it thick
honest sparrow
I just highlight it
covert birch
same thing
honest sparrow
than click the b
covert birch
The more * you add the more it does it
honest sparrow
like this
covert birch
Mobile doenst let ya do the highlight thing
honest sparrow
pefect
frosty igloo
hdhfdh*
oop
ok sorry
ill stop before I get banned
for not doing the right thing
honest sparrow
1 *= italics
2 *= bold
covert birch
3 *= both
frosty igloo
Thx ill help in my suggestions in the future
oh and also people put a big space between thier things
how do they do that
frosty igloo
I mean like they do
covert birch
Click shift and enter
honest sparrow
oh cool
covert birch
Also dsungariperus imo would just be another ptera
Coastal flyer + fish eater who can scavenge
not much of a difference
honest sparrow
yeah, but cracking open armored kids sounds fun
covert birch
Pick up the crab as ptera, fly up, drop em to crack em
honest sparrow
yeah, I just like my pteros is all
frosty igloo
or use thier legs to dig for clams and such
covert birch
yea but they would have to open the clams up if anythin
So pickin it up n dropping it on rocks would be best option there
frosty igloo
or they can just swall it whole and eat rocks
I mean
have the rock grind the shell
covert birch
Pterosaurs didnt do that iirc
honest sparrow
alnaqa? too big maybe? smaller quetz?
frosty igloo
true
frosty igloo
but at the same time they arent really dinos
covert birch
Just like 6 of em max
frosty igloo
but I see your point
valid zephyr
@foggy geode what do you mean by that?
covert birch
imo all we need is pterodon as generalist flyer who can choose to live and scavenge inalnd or be a coastal fisher, then have some form of a coastal glider-esque (ornithocheirus/pela), big vulture quetz, tupan fruit bat boi, and oxpecker-like flyer, then heracles cuz heracles good boi
honest sparrow
just trying to find something that's big enough to not be smaller than compy, and be the right size for a small ptero playstyle
covert birch
Comrade my guess is he talkin bout removin sandbox dinos
foggy geode
@valid zephyr They were supposed to remove it after they added survival but I guess they just plain forgot about doing that.
covert birch
If your referring to the whole broken prog server, that is a bug which cant be fixed due to current games shitty code
valid zephyr
what is left of progression apart from the dinos?
and they're being updated to survival one at a time
ebon tiger
@raw crow Cryolophosaurus doesn't spit acid. that's just something Primal Carnage ones do because they're engineered as weapons
raw crow
thats late as hell
opaque blaze
Cryo spits acid in PC because it's a Dilo reskin
random imp
^
thorny lynx
4 toes
covert birch
featherless theri ♥️
icy lion
theris 4th toe was like a dew claw no? like it didnt actually stand on it?
ebon tiger
therizinosaurs have an enlarged dew claw, and they walk on it, just like their other toes
probably an adaption because of their weight
thorn wagon
Out of curiosity, for a game that’s got scientific meddling and experimentation in the lore to the point where it’s obvious that these dinosaurs aren’t carbon copies of the real organisms; why does something like an extra toe on each foot matter that much?
It’s not like they’re going with something completely insane like “theri used its claws like ice picks to scale cliffs”, it’s 2 toes total.
pure copper
It’s only a drawing anyway
If they wanna add the extra toe for correctness sake they can do it whilst actually modeling the animal.
valid zephyr
Though I don't think microraptor should be a playable, I'm not sure by what logic it's another hypsi?
sonic cloud
How is a carnivore like a herbivore?
icy lion
i doubt hypsi will glide either, it might not even climb trees as far as we know
i understand arguments against microraptor when they say "its too small, x dino would be better" but calling it a hypsi? idk
left nacelle
Hypsi is shown sitting on top of a broken tree in it's concept art, an I've heard lots of people mentioning hypsi climbing trees soooo idk
But I assume people said that because of them saying about microraptor nesting in trees to escape things
left nacelle
@paper oriole Having reactions disabled calms the chat down overall, I've seen it myself. I think it's just better to keep reactions disabled for everyone
sonic cloud
Would really just give more work to moderators and honestly reactions are annoying in 99% of scenarios anyway
left nacelle
@novel fossil That would be waaaay too easy to abuse. Plus part of being a merc is finding resource and food and stuff. That's one of the reasons mercs start out with barely anything to defend themselves with. Also tribals want to destroy any sort of modern technology so I doubt you'd be able to microchip them
If you give players something they can use to insta kill someone, they will constantly use it for that purpose, just be trolls
valid zephyr
hypsi is a herbivore 20x the size of microraptor, which is a flying carnivore.
definitely not similar.
paper oriole
can hypsi even glide too?
he doesnt look like it
an arboreal glider would be cool but microraptor would only stand a chance against compy and eat bugs
novel fossil
@left nacelle The microchips would be extremely rare. I wouldnt think mercs would track, trap or tranquilize (using their limited supplies) just to troll ppl and oneshot kill them with the chip, knowing they might never see a chip again for weeks. To tranquilize a victim is basically the same effort as killing it, so why bother with chipping it just to kill it if you can just kill that victim right away?
Yes, I am aware that survival is the main point of the mercs as well, this is why the chip would be a rare find. They still need to rely on themselves mostly but if they can herd a victim under their rule and use them for their advantage, I am sure they would take it.
left nacelle
I still don't think it's a good idea. If someone get's microchipped they could just kill themselves cause they aren't going to wanna obey the chip
novel fossil
In that case the chip could be recovered. If it does not explode, then it is reusable. Logically.
Obviously there will be players who just dont want to do as they are told and would either not obey or would respawn. But I am pretty sure a chipped Spino or Theri might rather wanna obey if they dont want to lose their dino they grew for many hours. Progress is still progress.
Remember that when the mercs get you and you go down.. it is certain death anyway. The chip adds a use for other species to the mercs instead of just... being enemies and food. A bit more diversity in goals and actions.
valid zephyr
no hypsi can't glide by even the furthest stretch of the imagination
irl hypsi probs didn't have proper feathers
only fluff
the 'glider' I wanted was deinonychus (less gliding and more controlled falling)
as there are studies which suggest its juveniles had limited capability to do so.
I'm not convinced by those studies, but would be cool for a playable
strange wave
the 'glider' I wanted was deinonychus (less gliding and more controlled falling)
@valid zephyr yes, good animal
paper oriole
zhenyuanlong is small enough that he could probably glide, and play a sort of 'drop bear' role where he glides or falls down from trees onto the backs of victims
deino is bigger tho and could probably fight a bit more things
random imp
new dinos are very far down the development line anyway
valid zephyr
i mean we can still talk about potential additions and how they could play
random imp
first they'll need to 100% complete the announced ones
valid zephyr
nychus imo wouldn't be a full on glider.
more controlling its fall direction leaping from high places onto prey
random imp
yhea talk is ok, but things will be probably lost in the tides of time, in the future new dinos discussion might be taken more seriously
valid zephyr
could even prey on hypsis if they climbed
i mean we're probs only having two dinos for a while
utah and teno
mighty girder
@novel fossil Its a good idea (the chips) but it tramples too close to the tribals planned features imo. Would rather the 2 factions not overlap when possible ❤️ (Tribals have been said multiple times to have the ability to enslave dinos, with the ability for the dino to fight back or follow along at any point)
random imp
yeah, though hopefully they have an arboreal glider niche in mind
@paper oriole one of the devs was excited about that idea, do not remember who, i think Felipe but i am not sure, check today Rav video
paper oriole
yay maybe i'll get my zhenyuanlong in game some day
or they'll add something else instead, but i can hope lol
random imp
nah, if everything goes according to plan we'll have weekly updates once EVRIMA is out, so we won't have to wait that long for new dinos.
i mean we're probs only having two dinos for a while
@valid zephyr
the glorious "old V2" days are about to return
paper oriole
maybe compies can pick mites off and pick teeth of big dinos
left nacelle
@sick quest Talk in here please
covert birch
blue beatin me to it
honest sparrow
fucking blues, beating me too it
left nacelle
Also shiny feathers would make sense. You'd be surprised how well birds can take care of their feathers. There's tons of birds that have shiny feathers irl
honest sparrow
crows, ravens, magpies etc
left nacelle
It's pretty rare to see a bird that's noticeably dirty
covert birch
i personally dont see theri being able to clean its feathers as efficiently as most birds tho
honest sparrow
I wonder if people see suggestion discussion
covert birch
based on that, nope
Hell that 1 guy who wrote the paragraph, then like 8 people were pingin em/warning em
he kept on goin
left nacelle
Even if it can't groom it's feathers as well as modern birds can, it could still stay pretty clean
wise warren
@sick quest that would be better for this chat
covert birch
oh sure it would be clean, but not as much or at least not as commonly as modern birds
honest sparrow
just have a bit of blood on it's feathers instead of none
covert birch
but with groomin comin sure
left nacelle
Even if it can't groom, it could still have shiny feathers lol
wise warren
There are quite a few birds who live in the wild who have feathers like that
left nacelle
You're a bit late Aleey lol
wise warren
whoops lol
honest sparrow
lol
wise warren
Theres a chance theri doesnt have feathers, but there is also evidence that raptors DO have feathers, why have artistic liberty with one to make it look 'better' and then not with another
left nacelle
Either way tho, theri in game does have feathers
and the new tail it getting does give me semi-chicken vibes
paper oriole
Theri without feathers looks hideous tho so i hope they stick with the concept lol
covert birch
filipe said he agrees with featherless theri as an optional cosmetic thin
latent breach
Alberto love?
covert birch
alberto confirmed to be playable in distant future
still sinew
In the Isle as is - when you're around pounds you hear frog/toad sounds -- but they aren't actually there -- if we had smol birds, fish, and frogs/toads as ai -- they'd be great for juvi Preds to predate on, yes?
left nacelle
That's kind of an overdone suggestion. Devs have heard that suggestion many many times lol
still sinew
Really darn. What'd they say about it?
covert birch
As food nodes sure
Doubt having a shitton of tiny ai would do well for servers
covert birch
they havent
Actually iirc filipe mentioned wanting small ai
but again they gotta stress test servers first
left nacelle
And Beipi is shown eating a frog in it's concept art so 🤷 Might happen, might not
still sinew
Well seeing as we'll be having fish, and having things like birds that fly in the sky as is -- I don't it's to much of a stretch for frogs
covert birch
paradym did say ignore the frog
the birds flying in the sky werent ai as much as sprites iirc
left nacelle
Yeah but he might've just been saying to ignore it because of beipis diet
barren zephyr
Blue Kissen confirmed Beipi is slightly omni
covert birch
Yes but that doesnt mean paradyms "ignore the frog" doesnt mean there wont be frogs comin
still sinew
If it's something as simple as adding a small AI table only in areas where a player is -- ie so that they're not just populating the map -- and frogs would be religated to only ponds and lakes hmmm
covert birch
with the new map having a shitton more water sources they would be very full
Servers will prolly not do well with
Dinosaur AI + fish AI and then added on small animal ai
Ide just prefer food nodes (which work similar to bushes) if anything
left nacelle
Yeah. A little invisible entity with animated frogs that jump around it but don't actually walk around as AI would be cool
still sinew
Yes exactly -- but even food nodes don't render unless a player is in range
That's what I'm more spacifically proposing
left nacelle
@static steppe Game performance will be even better when EVRIMA is out. Apparently performance is up by like 30%
static steppe
@left nacelle yeah, but the update will add a lot of mechanic, models, functions(?) and stuff, i feel like once the update will be relased i will be hella Happy, and then i'll cry when i'll realize that my Pc wont support that
this is why i suggested to add a very low graphic
or else i should try to play with my screen resolution at 800-600
it would be The Isle: minecraft ediction
actually im pretty sure that here im not the only one person afrai of that problem
buuut i like to think that the developers will consider that and will make a way to allow all players to play :')
covert birch
dondi said if you can run the isle now, you will run it better in recode,
analog ingot
Would a channel for nature and animals or something be nice to have? I know we have paleotalk, but thats only for prehistoric stuff? A channel for modern animals and nature would also be nice to have. Depends on what ppl think.
left nacelle
@static steppe The new update isn't adding anything. It's erasing the current game and making a new game. The game will run even better than it does now. If you can run it now, you will be able to run it even better after the update
paper oriole
Getting a penalty for not stopping and sleeping would kinda be bleh
Shouldnt force it on people
Some people would view it as a tedious waste of time
Sleeping could help you heal at the cost of sight and taking longer to arise, and drastically reduce growth rate while it's used
But not punish people for not halting their gameplay to go blind in a bush
compact siren
True enough, but that part was more of an after thought once we got rolling with the idea. My thought was more of a gradual over several days of not taking ANY time to rest that it starts to wear on ur dino. I was more interested in how bloody scary it would be if ur screen would go dark if u were resting/sleeping
paper oriole
It also sort of screws over lone players more since they dont have anybody to keep watch, makes solo gameplay less viable. Sleeping could be a nice mechanic but just not something thats required
covert birch
Dondi mentioned kissen had a sleep system in mind where its not mandatory and ya dino goes into a "dream" which is basically a mini sandbox mode
opaque blaze
Why would it impair growth?
paper oriole
To stop groups from growing people by carrying food to them while they chill in a bush
Which would totally happen
covert birch
yea people would just help others afk grow with sleep systems
opaque blaze
How's that different to just sitting down and having people feed growing dinos?
paper oriole
Well sitting around will already slow growth apparently
Sleeping would be more hidden as youd be more to the ground
opaque blaze
Then they'll just stand around or crouch
covert birch
B/c imo sleeping would slow hunger/water drain rates too
So that + being feed will mean ya will have to wake up much less often
paper oriole
Its probably lack of activity in general
paper oriole
Got goddamn rick rolled by an isle suggestion
lofty pagoda
same
paper oriole
Feelsbadman
pulsar lake
I want theri to be sligthy omnivore, making it ables to eat fruits/leafs and insect.
These pictures could show what Theriz gameplay could be
This theri above is hideous
Theri as emu/great ant eater would be cool in my opinion
tight frigate
i love the idea of termite-eater tongue theri tbh
pulsar lake
Theri could dig in termite house and put his tongue in the hole in order to get termites
ashen elm
Yea I could easily see a Therizinosaur as ant-eater type niche. I actually thought Beip might be primary insect eater before they revealed it being aquatic.
paper oriole
Theris new tail concept gives off mad anteater vibes too anyway
winter sage
Pretty sure Theri would use its claw to pry open a termite mound, not a tongue.
left nacelle
Yeah. That's the exact reason pangolins and ant-eaters have huge claws. (Well, pangolins also burrow) but they use their claws to rip open mounds
@barren zephyr Server owners/admins will be given tons of options
lofty pagoda
lofty pagoda
@thorny crag no
thorny crag
whats your problem
then there would be a meme channel and a meme-discussion channel, like every other channel has it too
just saying no is pretty shit imo
lofty pagoda
For me it would just kinda ruin the point of meme channel
thorny crag
how
because emotespam makes you feel good? i actually dont like it
or these endless dragging discussions?
lofty pagoda
Like you cant talk about the memes right under them because you have to go to another channel
thorny crag
you can just copy the meme link and post it in the discussion channel
lofty pagoda
I get your point but I dont like the idea of it
thorny crag
you could copy the link and discuss and clusterfuck about it there , i personally would prefer only the pics and some reactions but no damn talk but that's just as idea, i know many people prefer it other way
it makes me sick how much drama this damn channel always causes, i just wanna enjoy and share creative and funny memes
this is one of the reasons we should get one
harsh silo
In my most honest opinion, a meme discussion channel sounds absolutely ridiculous I mean, imagine a new guy joins the discord and sees "Meme discussion". Come on guys 
Ya'll are better than that
thorny crag
I'd really love a channel where I can scroll through memes, not BS
I'll never visit meme discussion, just suggesting it for those who have to talk about everything
harsh silo
Meme discussion sounds like it's there to just to argue about memes someone posted. Don't worry, if stuff goes out of hand mods will deal with it, a simple @ to them and it's over
thorny crag
why do we have offtopic-art-discussion? hmm
harsh silo
Because people want to tell others how good their art is, or give them feedback
harsh silo
Feedback as in "I think that (insert part of the drawing) would be better if u did (insert feedback)"
Reactions aren't feedback
thorny crag
they kinda are but yea same would work for meme channel
rare bramble
they are mostly opinions
thorny crag
I know people consider memes not art but imo it kinda is
harsh silo
Artists like getting feedback and opinions. If u ask me 
doesn't say much about a suggestion to change the art piece
Memes = art? that's a bit cringe memes are memes, they are jokes, things to laugh at
And yeah, art is mostly opinions, but opinions are feedback
thorny crag
you'd have a channel full of pics, vids and gifs, the discussion channel would be for those who emotespam, say lol, their opinion, suggestions and stuff
harsh silo
Emote spam isn't allowed in the firstplace, nowhere
thorny crag
do you realize how much drama meme channel causes every day?
rare bramble
this is priceless entertainment 🍿
harsh silo
I do, that's why I say that if u guys @ the mods it can be solved
thorny crag
a simple discussion channel would solve all this and would cause less work for the mods
harsh silo
It just sounds a bit, uh, weird, to have a meme discussion channel, come on guys, who the hell discusses memes, ya'll are better than that
At least for me
If I dont like a meme I move on
thorny crag
meme discussion happens every day constantly in meme channel
harsh silo
Well, that's their problem, i cannot even imagine how u can argue about a meme, that's very cringy in my opinion, memes are to laugh at, not to argue about them
I remember rules changed because a lot of ppl made low effort memes
thorny crag
yea you are a fine man who is a perfect balanced human being but most people are not xD
people continued to post low effort versions of a meme yes and it got banned
harsh silo
That's their problem I mean, if u think about it mods are mods for a reason, their job is to calm things down if it gets out of hand
See? Whoever doesnt follow rules gets warned, if it continues gets kicked or banned and move on~
I feel like meme discussion would just bring more toxicity to the whole server, it's memes guys, relax
thorny crag
imo it would just solve these constant shit confrontations I have to see in the damn meme channel, it makes me angry now and that never was the case before
harsh silo
I mean, I haven't checked the memes channel in months, I just muted it and hid that channel
What are the discussions about in the first place
thorny crag
every channel where you post stuff has a discussion channel i find it unfair this one has none
harsh silo
I cannot imagine a discussion about a meme
thorny crag
just go there and look for yourself
everything that happens that's not a meme is discussion
harsh silo
I mean, the emote spam is just trash in general
Since more ppl are joining the discord the rules get softer cuz well, some ppl dont wanna put effort in memes, personally I don't care as long as it makes me laugh
But emote spam should be the line that cannot be crossed
I'd just advise u to @ mods when stuff begins to get out of hand
And move on, or like, mute the meme channel and join everynow and then
The name meme discussion sounds a bit ridiculous to me they are memes, come on now, ya'll can't argue about memes, you guys are way better than someone that argues about memes
left nacelle
@lapis wasp Dondi already said no to volcanoes cause it's too cliché and it would need to be rare or it would just be unrealistic. Wildfires were experimented with in the past tho, but we don't know if they're coming or not
lapis wasp
sorry about that
left nacelle
Oh no it's fine! Dondi said no to volcanoes like two years ago, so it's not easy information to come by lol
@lofty pagoda Just an fyi, joke suggestions can get you banned lol
harsh silo
I think fire isn't likely to come because dondi said that a tribal with a torch could literally burn everything down 
left nacelle
I think wildfires could come, but they won't be able to be caused by players
Like they'll probably only be caused by lightning
harsh silo
if they find a way to make it be a controlled wildfire then it could come, i guess. But what about after the wildfire, would the vegetation grow over like, 2 ingame days for instance?
Maybe it could work like that, but I heard wildfires were also very performance heavy, i don't remember if gpu or cpu based
odd sundial
Well rip to my potatoe if wildfires happen
left nacelle
Yeahhh.. I hope they do come tho. It would be really cool to see from far away, and really intense to escape from
Maybe they could find a way to optimize it
harsh silo
Yeah, I'm down for them to come if they make them manageable
left nacelle
Just replace the leaf textures with fire textures. Boom done
harsh silo
left nacelle
@honest wing We've had caves in the past and we will have caves again
covert birch
@left nacelle maybe diff animals can have diff responses to having their kid killed, like a maia for example would be all sad and lost
But a trike or diablo will become an angry mofo, and try to run ya down
left nacelle
Ooooh that's a good suggestion
honest sparrow
@fathom canopy explanation would be nice, just saying rex needs a slight nerf doesn't help and 2 everything's changing in evrima so... rex will be buffed/nerfed
fathom canopy
I'll add that tmrw too late rn
valid zephyr
@polar condor quadruped spino has been debunked. It's not accurate and doesn't suit the long legged spino the isle has chosen to go for.
pulsar lake
Isle spino has too long legs
ebon tiger
torso looks kinda short compared to IRL Spino, so it'd be hard for it to bend into that position
it's very much got the Jurassic Park Spino body
left nacelle
@barren zephyr That could still be abused to chase down stuff. Also Magy isn't a hadrosaur
and if it can't outrun a carnivore's ambush of the same tier.. then what's to stop the carnivore from just ambushing you?
sonic cloud
I don’t think people understand the entire point of the ambush mechanic
barren zephyr
@left nacelle I knew the Magy is not a hadro lol xD. And yea, I see what you are thinking. But maybe if they adjust the ambush, could it work then?
@sonic cloud what do you mean?
sonic cloud
As in the thing that’s meant to counter the ambush mechanic is awareness and being on the lookout, not a secondary mechanic that rewards blind players
Granted some animals have overturned ambushes atm, that doesn’t require a whole new mechanic, it requires individual tweaking of ambush values
barren zephyr
That’s actually true
left nacelle
Just seems like a bit too much effort imo. I think it would work better for smaller herbivores like hypsi and stuff. The hadrosaurs don't really need it considering they can mostly defend themselves (except para, but balance is changing)
and even then, the smaller animals can hide easier, so they don't really need it either
sonic cloud
^some animals could have it as a gimmick, but it should only be 1-2 animals with an actual reason for it
left nacelle
Yeah that sounds more reasonable
barren zephyr
Yeah true
left nacelle
Maybe hypsi could have it to make up for it's bright colors, and it was shown running real fast in it's concept art so it would fit i think
barren zephyr
I was thinking though you should be screawed for letting guard down for just a second
Naah I see your point
left nacelle
Well ya can't have your guard up 24/7, that would just be unnatural lol
barren zephyr
And about hadrosaurs defending them self. It feels like a deer fending of a wolf to me (for para vs allo atleast)
left nacelle
Yeah Para's a bit different from the other hadros. But things will be different post-EVRIMA
barren zephyr
Well that’s how they learn
left nacelle
I could see the ability maybe working for para. But maia doesn't really need it and shant REALLY doesn't need it lol
sonic cloud
^
barren zephyr
Exactly, I didn’t first wanna share my suggestion cause I don’t know how recode will be like. But did it instead
static steppe
You are talking about the flee sistem?
barren zephyr
Meh, Maia is too op for me ngl
sonic cloud
I would like there to be a single “escape artist” Dino that has an ability like that. But otherwise not needed or merited
static steppe
the one on suggestion
left nacelle
They're referring to your suggestion
barren zephyr
Oh.. yeah I made it
static steppe
i really like the idea
barren zephyr
Thanks, so do I to your 😄
static steppe
cause for the shant example, he is slow, a rex could easly kill a shant
left nacelle
Oh and fyi Zio, the map will have caves. Idk about the glowing mushrooms and stuff tho
barren zephyr
Exactly
left nacelle
But shant is the size of a rex
static steppe
but, considering that they're adding a quick turn, then the shant could turn and stomp the rex
barren zephyr
Yeah but it kinda more as a prey animal to be fair
It really isn’t the same thing as trike, anky and stego
left nacelle
I think it is
barren zephyr
Realistically it isn’t
left nacelle
It's a large animal that is larger than the apex predator, it shouldn't be easy to take down
barren zephyr
Naaaah
static steppe
for what i think, alle erbs or small dinos should have a flee mechanic
barren zephyr
I don’t feel like it but it’s just my thought, you could be right
left nacelle
When i think of shant vs rex, I think of a lion vs a buffalo. The lion can kill the buffalo, but the buffalo will usually win if it's just 1 lion
static steppe
obviously not small dinos like the herrasaurus who's hella fast
barren zephyr
I really don’t think so
left nacelle
Herrera's speed right now isn't intentional. It was upscaled but it's speed wasn't adjusted to fit it's new size
static steppe
@left nacelle good point
barren zephyr
I think of lion vs wilderbeest
Or lion vs zebra most likely
Size to me doesn’t always have to matter
left nacelle
Zebras and wildebeest are skittish and fast animals tho. I don't think shant is either of those
barren zephyr
I do
sonic cloud
The only reason an animal should have a flee mechanic is if it’s so poorly designed that it absolutely needs a flee mechanic to escape its predators. But at that point just design it better
left nacelle
Size and weight usually determine power. Notice how the biggest animals on the planet don't really get attacked by many predators
sonic cloud
Shant is definitely not running from a rex, probably the other way around
barren zephyr
But... elephant are way larger then anything
barren zephyr
...
left nacelle
Shant is one of the biggest non-sauropod dinosaurs. It's bigger than rex
barren zephyr
Yeah but so is zebra to a lion..
left nacelle
But zebras are different. They're very skittish and fast
and it usually takes a few lions to bring one down anyway
barren zephyr
Isn’t Shant?
left nacelle
Not really
barren zephyr
From what it is now, definitely not but that thing broken almost
left nacelle
Shant is fast, but I doubt it would be really skittish
I agree shant is way too op currently, but it should be able to hold it's own against a rex
But it also isn't balanced currently
barren zephyr
A rex? I have a hard time seeing how that could happened but that’s just me. How ever, I feel like more people would agree to you then me
For me, I will never understand defending hadrosaurs... sorry
left nacelle
I'm not a big hadrosaur person either
I just believe that shant is large enough that it should be able to defend itself from a rex
I think it would be more of a 50/50, it would be more reliant on skill
barren zephyr
Oh yeah it’s hella large, but doesn’t really matter to me if it doesn’t have horns and stuff
left nacelle
Horns and stuff don't really matter. Lions get seriously injured and killed by zebras. All they have a strong legs
left nacelle
Same thing with hippos. They're the most dangerous animal on the planet. They have big teeth but that's it
even then, their middle teeth are really flat
static steppe
im back-
barren zephyr
Hi man!
static steppe
hi XD
static steppe
oh, well- cool then XD
barren zephyr
I don’t see how Shant has the strength to take down a rex. Sorry but I don’t
static steppe
((btw, hows called the croco? deinosuchus(????)))
sonic cloud
Good suggestion for spawns
left nacelle
Out of curiousity, why do you think it can't take down a rex exactly?
I know you've been kinda explaining this whole time but I still don't fully understand either lol
barren zephyr
Look I’m not trying to trigger somebody, just so you know
left nacelle
Yeah I know, I'm just curious to hear your side of the story
Or rather - your opinion
sonic cloud
Shant doesn’t even need to attack a rex. 11800kg barrelling into 8800kg is like fat kid vs thin kid.
The thin kids on the floor but now the fat kids gonna start stomping on its neck/throat/body
He doesn’t need an actual attack, when his size is an attack
left nacelle
Oh god. That's very dark lol
sonic cloud
Oh yeah, I just reread that xd
left nacelle
ebon tiger
still, he's not wrong though
you don't need horns, claws or whatever if you have enough mass
static steppe
i readed your discussion and what i think is: you both are right, cause a shant is bigger than a rex, it can handre it.
But, Rexes can pavk tuu, a shant againt 3 rexes.. mhhhh it should try to run as fast as it can, thats why it need a flee sistem too
for how i see it
ebon tiger
have enough mass, and you are the weapon
sonic cloud
shant is invincible as long as it avoids a head-bite
left nacelle
And like Zio just said, I think 1v1 could go either way, but more than 1 rex won't end well for the shant and more than 1 shant won't end well for the rex
sonic cloud
You can’t really balance against numbers though, you can only make forming large groups difficult
static steppe
maybe the shant could do like the new dino and push the rex with his back
sonic cloud
When you have enough of anything, your enemy is screwed no matter what. That goes for both herbivores and carnivores. The best way to deal with that is to find ways to keep players from forming groups that large in the first place
static steppe
(((( i meant the Magyarosaurus by the way))))
thats why devs used tho be hypos
but i think that admins shound have something to control the overpacking too
if you make a server and too much players over-pack do "/Slay player " its annoying
lofty pagoda
I got Rickrolled again
barren zephyr
Shant doesn’t even need to attack a rex. 11800kg barrelling into 8800kg is like fat kid vs thin kid.
The thin kids on the floor but now the fat kids gonna start stomping on its neck/throat/body
What if the thin kid just runs
left nacelle
@alpine holly That's an easy way to get neon dinosaurs. Not very realistic
Also, upvoting your own suggestion doesn't really make you look too good
left nacelle
Oooh. well it still kinda looks bad
alpine holly
yea
left nacelle
I didn't see the downvote, I apologize
left nacelle
But yeah if you had the crest color for all colors, then that would make it easy to have neon dinosaurs
left nacelle
Not on the whole body it wouldn't
alpine holly
nah
sonic cloud
I wouldn’t mind it if the crest colours were desaturated tbh. Not just for the whole body, but for the crest as well
left nacelle
Made dimmer
sonic cloud
Less neon, more grey
left nacelle
I like how saturated dilos crest colors are. It make sense cause it's venomous
It suits it very well imo
alpine holly
yea true
sonic cloud
Like an option to have desaturated and current saturated for the crests but then have only desaturated for the body would be neat
left nacelle
Oooh I see what you mean
alpine holly
oh
left nacelle
But ehhh I still don't think that'd be good
alpine holly
more options of how you can choose to look = good (imo)
left nacelle
That is true, but making crest colors available for every color isn't good
alpine holly
:/
sonic cloud
Tbh we have things like the Diablo 1 yellow already which is pretty much a desaturated yellow crest colour. So I don’t think expanding it to the others is much of an issue
alpine holly
i just think it could look cool in some aspects
left nacelle
some aspects
left nacelle
But you'll always have those people who will have a weird dark red utahraptor
alpine holly
ofc*
left nacelle
plus it would make the crest colors less unique
sonic cloud
We already have indoraptor cosplayers though, you can’t get worse then that
alpine holly
indoraptor?
left nacelle
But at least a black raptor is plausible
sonic cloud
So is dark red though
left nacelle
But dark red isn't as plausible as black
There's a lot more black birds than red ones
alpine holly
birds?
sonic cloud
If you really want to get into the paleo, we have found red on multiple dinosaurs. Borelopelta and sinosauropteryx come to mind
sonic cloud
But this game isn’t based in realism, so even if we hadn’t, it’s still fine to have
left nacelle
I'm not saying red isn't plausible, but I feel like a dark red coloring covering the whole body would break immersion
red accents would be fine, but an entirely red body is eww
sonic cloud
More than indoraptors, more than zero variation plastic skins?
alpine holly
some people might like it though
sonic cloud
Don’t like it don’t wear it
alpine holly
i dont but there is alot of weird people who play this game
left nacelle
But it breaks immersion
sonic cloud
We’ve already broken immersion
left nacelle
I may not like, but other people will make weird skins with it and break everyone else's immersion
Not really
Most skins look pretty normal currently
sonic cloud
And you get some that aren’t, therefore immersion is broken
Indoraptor cosplayers break immersion for me, therefore remove the ability
left nacelle
You get very few that aren't, which makes them come off as a rarity, immersion not broken
I've never seen an indoraptor cosplayer
sonic cloud
I have, therefore my immersion is broken, therefore remove yellow and black
left nacelle
But skins are also changing in EVRIMA so I wouldn't be surprised if it's impossible to be all black now
sonic cloud
See how silly that line of thought is
If you seriously need to limit it for your own immersion, just make a limit on how many times the colour must be used.
Eg. “This shade of red can only be used twice on this creature, once the limit is reached, red cannot be selected in the other 3 slots”
left nacelle
Tbh I think skins should stay the way they are now. But there should be more crest colors in total so there's more variation
Every male should have a crest color in the same place so you know where to look to determine their gender
pulsar lake
@barren zephyr it's how stego 3 call is going to be https://www.twitch.tv/rr_raptor65/clip/EphemeralSavageOtterSSSsss
barren zephyr
Oh I didnt know, thats epic
sullen knot
hello i have a question, i'm a fan of the isle this is my favorite game and honestly it is this game that made me buy a pc and i have absolutely no regrets, in 7 months i spent exactly 979 hours at l hour when I write this message and I am really like crazy since the announcement of the recode! I have the impression of writing to Santa Claus, well I don't know how long it will take but we would have liked to know if we were entitled to a little update from the isle to change some details and make us wait like rendering the bone fracture to the ankylo (my favorite dinosaur) and removing it from the rex well I know this message will not be read but I am trying ahah and I also wanted to know if the ankylo will be reworked for the recode! good i wish you a good day and sorry for my disastrous english
left nacelle
@static steppe That wouldn't really make sense cause the new map is a tropical island
strange wave
^
random imp
seasons are unlikely. we are on a tropical island, so snow does not make sense. we might have dry season and wet season, but that's it
lol Blue was faster than me
covert birch
Wet n dry seasons are confirmed iirc
random imp
yhea that's what i heard, but things might change
static steppe
well, maybe in the future will add some other map
i think that even if they're adding the new map, the other 2 may still be in the game
left nacelle
The next few maps being added will be tropical iirc
strange wave
thenyaw is still a tropical island
left nacelle
and V3 is being removed in favor of Spero, which is also tropical
covert birch
v3 is gone
Thenyaw is being reworked and is also tropical so wet/dry seasons fit for it
static steppe
well, then rip for my idea
ashen elm
There will be different biomes if the bio domes get added
left nacelle
You weren't the first one to suggest that, Zio. It would be a cool idea if it weren't for the location of the maps
strange wave
YES, snow in the evolve style biodome
sullen knot
no one has a date i guess
strange wave
no etas
left nacelle
That is correct. No ETAs, make sure ya read the rules
static steppe
etas?
static steppe
oh
strange wave
i hope certain animals like pachyrhino do better in the snowy environment
(it might also give way to cryo and yuty)
left nacelle
I doubt they'll do that
sullen knot
mhh
left nacelle
Because then no one would play those animals outside of the snow
static steppe
((even if the maps will be tropical i'll keep thinking that the snow would be freaking cool))
left nacelle
There already is snow in the games code... or at least the old code
like there's footsteps sounds for it
static steppe
for an possible snow i would just add things likeee the teri can withstand the cold thanks to his fur-feathers
left nacelle
Well temperature won't be an issue. Dondi already said that
he doesn't want people to need to worry about that
strange wave
((even if the maps will be tropical i'll keep thinking that the snow would be freaking cool))
@static steppe look at the evolve aviary map
strange wave
ok pretty much its snow on the outside, and tropical on the inside of the dome
left nacelle
I think they wanna know where to find the map lol
left nacelle
Is it a modded map?
strange wave
no, a different game
left nacelle
Oooh
strange wave
i miss evolve
left nacelle
There is a snowy modded map tho right? I remember seeing in some of Anth's old vids
strange wave
aaah you mean that "cage"
@static steppe ?
strange wave
no
evolve is a different game, not the isle
but in the same vein as that
a dome with a different climate in the inside
static steppe
oh
@strange wave you maked(?) me Remember a thing that i seen in.. Zootropolis(?) the animals lived in different cities, with different climates but all connected by tunnel, at this point they could make a map with 4 domes with different climates for each one, or biomes (but it would not make sense, since the map)
the humas could move inside the structures, as if it were a "Jurassic park"
but if they leave doors open, the dinosaurs may enter, like raptors
left nacelle
@mighty girder Every animal is getting elder I believe. Utah is getting and elder stage so I think it's safe to assume that at least everything utah and up will get one too
Also, I like how that allo looks like a mixture of the current allo and the old allo. It's a nice middle ground
mighty girder
Yeah, it takes the best from both imo, and it has a generally tougher look so its perfect for elder imo
and utah+ makes sense for elder, didn't realize Utah was getting one
wise warren
If elder were selectable, nobody would have any reason to go as a normal adult
honest sparrow
I arrived in time
wise warren
If you want the elder benifits you need to earn them, and in sandbox you dont earn anything you just click and go
covert birch
@static steppe issue with selectable elders in sandbox is the fact they get weaker and weaker
So if ya were to select it would it be at the point where it is stronger than its regular state adult-wise
Or would it appear at the stage its weaker then its regular adult
Cuz if its at the stronger one nobody would go regular adult
If its at the weaker one, nobody would go elder
mighty girder
I mean it is sandbox, its not meant to be balanced
honest sparrow
the fact that it's selectable in the first place is my problem
mighty girder
Don't see anything wrong with it personally
covert birch
My issue is where in elder would it put ya
If its the weaker final stage im fine with it
The stronger one no
mighty girder
could prob do it in the middle, where its about as strong as normal adult
static steppe
@covert birch i dont see a players select the hatchings neither
honest sparrow
then why pick elder?
mighty girder
when its starting to get weaker then adult but isnt SUPER weak
left nacelle
@mighty girder Here's elder Utah btw. The black lines show the elder model. The model under it is the current Utah
Sorry for the tag btw
honest sparrow
hatchlings are meant to be useless newborns
static steppe
even if someone select an hatc, its pointless
so it goes with elders
mighty girder
No worries, Im not one of the people to bitch about pings
wise warren
There would be no point in selecting elder if its weaker, just like how nobody gets juvi, sub, or hatch in sandboxes
if its stronger nobody will pick adult
mighty girder
Its a public discord with thousands of members and mutli discussions, pings kinda neccessary 
honest sparrow
people pick sub rexes sometimes to mess around, but generally you see juvies in sandbox for meme reasons
covert birch
Again, if its at the weaker state im fine
if its at the stronger state nobody would pick adults, where is the issue imo
mighty girder
But imo, sandbox pickable elder would be fine as long as it was in the mid phase of strong and weak (aka relatively same power as adult)
left nacelle
That's how I feel too. And because of that, I tend to ping people unnecessarily sometimes 😅
mighty girder
Would be good for content creators and for people who wanna test skins or just
see them
static steppe
its steel a player decision, i whould do that just cause im pretty sure that not all players will get to see the elders
so its to show them or just making videos on yt
honest sparrow
issue is, why pick an adult that is just on a timer
wise warren
I think elder should be a reward, not something you can just select. I understand full grown being selectable on sandbox but if players want an elder it needs to be earned