I listed 5 herbis that are apex size (or bigger) that are made for fighting, but people loves to ignore them and go for shant, Who, out of the 6 apex herbis, is the only not made for fighting
#general-feedback-discussion
lilac swallow
barren zephyr
Are you sure there are no other way to make it viable?
paper oriole
Sumo wrestler is fat and squishy, his weight is his weapon
ebon tiger
i like how you all seem to ignore the fact that Shant can weigh twice as much as Rex, and Buff's sumo example
lilac swallow
We have 5 candidates for apex killer herbis yet people want shant for that
paper oriole
No, just the more the merrier
ebon tiger
instead you're all "but it needs weapons to be a fighter! Shant has none, thus cannot fight!"
cyan flame
Who's been ignoring them though? You're claiming stuff because someone is arguing that shant is big enough to not be so much of a runner, and even then, has given the shant a very specific "weapon" that's only really useful every now and then, unlike a stego tail or trike horns or so
lilac swallow
Im just tired of people asking for fighting hadrosaurs while ignoring completely the fighting focused herbivores like ceratopsians and stegosaurs
barren zephyr
Great point @lilac swallow
cyan flame
But no one has ignored any of those.. besides, look at para, it fights better than it runs xD
So for that matter does maia to be honest ^^
paper oriole
I only made a shant suggestion because of another suggestion and conversation earlier, not ignoring others i just think shant being a bigger para AKA run away until a giga kills you would be boring af
Why would anybody waste the time growing that
cyan flame
We get tenonto as a fighter who slams utahs with it's massive tail, and it's all good, but having a shant, that actually has the bulk to back it up, do something similar, and it's a no go? Not sure on the reasoning there
cyan flame
Does that thing look like a fighter to you? ^^
I mean, sure, when they modified it, which, well, it needed modifications to be a fighter.. xD
paper oriole
If magy can knock a cerato over according to the concept art, shant doing it to a rex isn't ridiculous at all
ebon tiger
Tenonto in life was unlike the in-game one, you know
lilac swallow
I know
ebon tiger
this thing wasn't like its giant cousin, Iguanodon
lilac swallow
Tenon is not an iguanodontid neither
ebon tiger
yet, you guys are happy with Tenno being a fighter, but not Shant?
cyan flame
And yes, shant could be like magy when it comes to CC, except with a "finisher" that would rarely be used but could deter solo, overly "gung ho" apexes only
lilac swallow
What exactly "you guys" means?
ebon tiger
i'm being general here
harsh silo
Kissen has stated multiple times that the anky will come and it will get some love, it's time to drop the anky stuff for the sake of this discord and the people that use it, it's enough
@still sinew
@high leaf we still dont know what the anky will get, what we know is that it will make into the game (kissen said so multiple times by now), my best guess is that it'll probably get bonebreak because of the locational damage feature, maybe u can bonebreak certain areas of the body and then leave while the predator is hurt
short bison
anky should have anti bleed if bitten on top
left nacelle
@warped lark I don't understand what your suggestion is
covert birch
@paper oriole that suggestion actually cleared up my issue with what the whole mini stomp was, i wasnt really able to visualize it well previously,
@high leaf anky is comin to the game no matter what people say "Bad animal" wise, plus bonebreak really isnt the main issue, its just how they seem to be going for a more realistic appearence for it which leads to constraints,
@warped lark If your referring to herd ai, its confirmed they will happen, but it wont just be free food lying around. Ai will actually fight back and wont spawn right next to ya
left nacelle
Oh, that's already coming
warped lark
🙂
icy lion
@plush crest ai herds are confirmed, devs mentioned them actually eating, traversing the map, and fighting back
@rose vigil balance in the current game is completely irrelevant with the recode coming
rose vigil
oh
I keep hearing about the recode
it will change everything and coming up shortly?
random imp
change everything yhea, is basically a new game.
coming up we don't know when, nor we need to know.
icy gate
Not really a suggestion thing, but as a newer player I've had a lot of people mention that collisions are confirmed in the recode. Are they actually?
covert birch
yes
icy gate
ah, good. My takeaway as a newb has been that collisions will vastly improve herd life.
still sinew
@harsh silo I don't really care about anky that much -- was just a good vid, with good points. fight
harsh silo
Right, the guy that posted the video didnt know that kissen confirmed anky would be in the game so i figured u didn't know either @still sinew. Moving on then
still sinew
@harsh silo Seems some's impression is just that it'll not be survival.
harsh silo
It probably will be in survival so, uuh, weird
indigo sun
@ashen bronze AI literally spawns around hungry carnivores specifically and doesnt fight back in the current game.
You need to learn and listen for calls from the AI. They will almost always spawn near you unless the server itself is having issues.
paper oriole
Unless youre playing on a server with like 100 people on you should have 0 problems with AI
zinc rivet
I've never had issues with AI. Once you hear one, just sniff and you're golden. If it's raining then just follow the calls i guess, but even then not that hard
indigo sun
there can be some issues following the calls though due to something with where you can hear from compared to your dinosaur or some shit. I guess because they've said they haven't played that long that they just don't know what the AI calls sound like
potent sparrow
I really hope they have more water sources in the new maps, thenyaw's supply was good, v3 has way too many dead zones where it can take nearly 10 minutes of walking to find something to drink, especially as a juvie. It makes those parts of the map completely pointless to even have, because nobody will stay there, thus you won't find anyone, other than other players looking for water just like you.
zinc rivet
the new AI will help with the "deadzones" allot
AI spawning naturally to actually fill out the ecosystem rather than only to feed hungry carnis
indigo sun
@brave vale I dont think snow would make much sense given that both future maps will be tropical islands, but seasons like wet and dry seasons would be very interesting
wise warren
I feel it would be easier for people to just read the pins instead of having to configure a new role, figure out how to get everyone who uses the meme channel the role but not people who don’t for useless pings, redo all the rules with this new role pinged, etc
indigo sun
i think their issue is that it's not just the rules that are pinned, but also a lot of memes, making the pinned messages a bit annoying to scroll through just to find rules. an extra role would be too much of a hassle though so perhaps they could either do a quick list of rules in the channel description or i dunno add some shit in the actual #rules-and-info thing
covert birch
@barren zephyr dondi said herbis will not be carrying food since that will allow them to not always be following their "migration paths" he set for em food wise
barren zephyr
@covert birch What if, even if a herbivore stockpiles, the pile would go bad, much like meat?
Eventually, they would run out of nearbye bushes to stockpile from, foricing them to migrate?
covert birch
They would need to migrate eventually sure, but that would take much longer than ya would think due to the fact dondi also said everywhere on the map can support 2-3 of each herbi
So combine that with taking food from migration paths and food from anywhere else will make the time ya actually gotta migrate take much longer compared to just makin em follow the paths instead
barren zephyr
@covert birch and u dont think herb players should be given a choice on that? just curious :0
covert birch
I prefer the idea of herbis having to move frequently
barren zephyr
yeah i can see why. migrations will be fun
its just ugh, sometimes i feel like the devs favor the carnivores over the herbivores, and i just wish they were treated more equal, u know?
covert birch
Imo herbis not bein able to carry food to promote more migrations is fine
My main issue is the disparity in the amount of herbis vs carnis per tier
barren zephyr
yeah
covert birch
Which is gonna change eventaully anyway so its fine
barren zephyr
and what did u mean by support 2-3 of each herbi
covert birch
Anywhere on the map has the food to hold about 2-3 of each herbi
Anything more and youll be needing to move on migration paths to feed yourselves properly
barren zephyr
ok ty
left nacelle
@barren zephyr Kissen and a few other devs are really advocating for herbis to get more love, so it's likely that eventually carnivores won't seem like they're being prioritized
misty swan
what about ai babies? Let's say if you want to nest but dont want other player to nest with you or cant find other players. You have the option to have ai babies that grow and roam with you. They fight only if the main players attacked or if you call to attack. If you eat they eat, drink etc. Of course ai will not be as good as actual players but it would be fun I think. If over load of ai is an issue you could put it where the mother player dies or logs off the ai players vanish. Just a thought xD
left nacelle
@olive olive That's not a good idea. That would remove all stealth in the game, and break the immersion a lot
valid zephyr
@winter dock That would just encourage herbi body guarding and allow them to grief by removing bodies they see in order to prevent carnis eating.
indigo sun
If herbivores have an issue with a body they need to move.
Or they need to just accept that theres a body there and let carnivores eat while they go about their business
barren zephyr
Easter Offer on the game -50% off price on steam? 20e is expensive in romania, and i have 2 more friends that want's to buy it 😦
winter dock
@valid zephyr My thoughts are that it would force PvP more often. Want to eat and that thing just destroyed a corpse? Kill it and eat it.
indigo sun
Herbivores shouldnt be destroying corpses. Why would we have any need to do that, I don't want to force PvP. They made a kill, let them eat it instead of being a dick. If you dont want it attracting carnivores or you don't want to be near the carnivores eating the body, just move.
It's forcing unnecessary death and herbi players already complain about how much carni players kill. They got their food, why would you stick around and be an asshole so you die too?
winter dock
Instead of being a dick? If it being "Rude" to deny food is your best counterpoint, I don't think that matters. If you 1 v 1 something and you're in a good spot, why not have the ability to USE the resources around you without harassment by getting rid of a corpse?
I play both almost equally, and I must say, as a general rule of thumb, more Herbivores "grief" than carnivores.
valid zephyr
The game isn't about forcing pvp though. Herbivores would use it to hunt down any food carnis want to eat and get rid of it, which goes against the entire ecosystem simulator thing. Body guarding is already bad enough currently.
cyan flame
I can't see why the herbis would do that since it would only encourage the carni to come for them, instead of settling for the available food, thus increasing their risk of dying or being wounded, instead of allowing them to get out of there safely and live on?
earnest cave
@valid zephyr i don't like to get extra speed, becas it will masse the balance
valid zephyr
I mean the entire point of that suggestion is don't make the perks extra speed.
valid zephyr
This part is meant to be examples of bad and boring perks which shouldn't be a thing.
left nacelle
@earnest cave I believe Hypsi's calls are already done iirc
🧅
valid zephyr
wonder if they're based on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdNyeasi0GI
left nacelle
Doubt it. Having the calls based off the same bird the deign is based off would be a bit too on the nose imo
valid zephyr
yeah true
zenith onyx
@valid zephyr your ava idea is amazing! i love it. if your suggestions are added or anything simular i will for sure be playing as the ava
earnest cave
@valid zephyr do u have any idias for playbel proto?
zinc rivet
I like what you're aimin for Jenkens and agree with your reasoning, but I don't like those two specific takes on the dinos. Just feels too out there for both of them
yeah they're getting smaller, but they're still gonna be like 6 feet tall
a burrowing Ava would seem just weird
and nocturnal Dibble doesn't fit a creature like Ceratopsians
but different diets encouraging life in different biomes sounds good
covert birch
Burrowing ava imo is fine
I dont really think dibble specifically needs nightvision tho, would be nice if the whole higher nightvision thing was contested by more small animals tho, instead of just dibble it can be widespread from hypsi to compys, while keeping the primarily nocturnal bois (troodon/dilo) have even larger areas of vision
zinc rivet
Hypsi and Compy are creatures that feel much more suited to better night vision
armored or large Herbis aren't creatures you'd expect such a trait from
zenith onyx
but the diablo has nothing good to get away from other preds other hten it's speed. and even then it still can be run down easily
covert birch
Diablo is fine atm, a size nerf in exchange for more speed is just as fine
zinc rivet
All dinos are getting sized down
covert birch
Not all
zinc rivet
well allot
zenith onyx
if it had nighvision then it would be able to stay away from almost anything at night
zinc rivet
point is Dibble won't be left in the dust to be destroyed by every dino in the game because there are other going down with it
zenith onyx
and nothing is getting down sized, just brought to it's actual size. some things will be bigger then before. others smaller
covert birch
I mean dibbles main opponent allo is gettin upsized
zenith onyx
the dilo is one
zinc rivet
i heard it was gettin downsized a tiny bit
covert birch
Nope
zenith onyx
it was bigger then the utah, not the sme size
covert birch
Allo is slightly undersized atm
zinc rivet
turn radius doesn't really matter anymore because Quick Turn lol
covert birch
zenith onyx
that's the current right?
zinc rivet
tbh I can still see Dibble being a pain for an Allo
a group of them definitely
unborn quail
Solo allo is in perfect range to have its stomach gouged out
covert birch
Also Kai proto aint really large enough to bonebreak a utah/dilo
the bugger is barely larger than taco
zinc rivet
a 1v1 I'd think the Allo is in favor, especially if it can manage to avoid the horns with superior speed
2 Allos vs 1 Dibble is definitely a win for the Allo
but 2 Dibbles vs 1 Allo I'd expect the Dibbles to win
so seems fair enough to me
unborn quail
If anything smaller diablo is even more dangerous because its becomes a harder target to hit, while still being capable of hitting fatal areas
covert birch
1v1 ide push it to a diablo unless it gets ambushed
Literally all it has to do is turn in place and keep the allo in front of it
unborn quail
Too close to call imo
zenith onyx
It was not just slightly biggger then a taco. more ava sized.
zinc rivet
i'm not openin that xd
unborn quail
It's way smaller than ava.
covert birch
Ava is a good 3x its size
covert birch
zenith onyx
i can't seeeee anyyything in there
zinc rivet
so their roles shouldn't really clash with each other as much as I thought lol
zenith onyx
oh i see the ava nmd
zinc rivet
zenith onyx
yeah proto is smaller then i thought
zinc rivet
have you never seen the fossil of it fighting Velociraptor?
zenith onyx
yes i have
zinc rivet
that's a great reference for size of Proto coz everyone knows Velo is like turkey sized
valid zephyr
I definitely think night vision is essential for small dibble. It’s fat and slow, and would be an utter joke the second an allo shows up
zinc rivet
it's fast?
valid zephyr
also I don't like the idea of night vision hypsi. it's bright colours need to be displayed in the day, and it can climb
zinc rivet
Dibble is one of the best runners out of herbis
valid zephyr
dibble isn't fast at all, it has basically no legs, it's fat, and if it's downsized it's even slower.
covert birch
Dibble is more stam boi then speed boi
valid zephyr
the current run looks horrific just to stop it being ran down by apexes
basically hoverdibble
zinc rivet
the only reason hypsi would have night vision is for defense against nocturnal predation, giving it night vision wouldn't make it live nocturnally
valid zephyr
there are lots of small herbis which should have night vision like taco or dryo. I just don't think hypsi is one of them
i think a tiny 750kg dibble outrunning an allo would look utterly ridiculous. allo already easy catches it and that's before the downsize
cyan flame
@valid zephyr If Hypsi needs to be brilliant, then so does dilo, it has a crest to show off, but here we are with a nighttime venomous critter anyway.. xD
valid zephyr
oro, taco, dryo, homo, proto all make better night time herbis to hypsi imo
it's literally the last small herbi i'd give good ngiht vision
I feel that realistic sized dibble in the daytime is going to get absolutely wrecked by everything.
covert birch
realistic dibble will be fine against solo allos n such imo
Horns are basically perfect height to kill an allo via chest piercing
zenith onyx
If anything the diablo needs a speed boost because anything bigger then a cerato can eat it.
valid zephyr
that's like saying current dibble could fight rex. close to 3 ton allo will wreck a 750kg dibble. and that's not even factoring in sucho, alberto, or apexes.
apexes run down current dibble, and smaller dibble would be even slower.
covert birch
That is nothing like sayin that
valid zephyr
@zenith onyx its animations and physical build don't allow a speed boost. it already has to hover to do its current run.
covert birch
Due to A: organs comin up, B: new mechanics such as locational
zenith onyx
that's why they'd change it a bit. make it thinner. less weight to carry around
covert birch
Horns that pierce into chest + locational and organs = dead or severly injured allo
zenith onyx
an allo.
valid zephyr
which then makes it even more ava clone if you make it skinnier just like ava is.
valid zephyr
barely. ava and dibble were essentially the same size
zenith onyx
and the ava will be able to burrow
valid zephyr
and we've been told they're going to paleo accurate sizes
zenith onyx
it will not need to run
covert birch
Diablo will need to run from stuff like rex n giga
Acro and sucho
Midtiers generally too if they are in packs
but bringing packs into the situation is never really fair
valid zephyr
it's physical build doesn't allo it though. it's like asking for a pig to outrun a cheetah
zenith onyx
so it will need to be faster so it can have a CHANCE to run away
valid zephyr
ceratopsians are not runners.
covert birch
I can see dibble running faster than a rex/giga
Allo tho def not
zenith onyx
so bigger hit bleed then?
covert birch
just make dibble a tank for its size
Like a boar make it a strong aggressive lil fucker
zenith onyx
little more health then it has now?
so a massive bleeder then? because a boar will gut you for sure
covert birch
Massive bleeder, tanky due to locational (biting head will just do nothing cus crest, biting ass doesnt really do much compared to places like the neck or underbelly) and bam its fine
zenith onyx
so it would be the same run speed just needs a health upgrade.
and it needs a new run animation. its really cheesy.
covert birch
I love its current run
and no it doesnt need a hp upgrade
Locational damage will make it the tanky bugger it needs to be
valid zephyr
yes the 700kg little animal would have more health than the close to 4 tons current animal
makes a lot of sense
zenith onyx
it does need a health up grade because all an allo has to do is ride its ass for three to four seconds to get a few bites in and the diablo is dead.
covert birch
No it doesnt
zenith onyx
yes it does
valid zephyr
currentl dibble utterly destroys allos. hell it can take 3 if it's good
zenith onyx
a fresh adult allo can do that and end a diablo
valid zephyr
and assriding is going away. turning on the spot for everything
covert birch
Again locational damage will make biting the ass deal less damage
And with alt turn forced assriding is gone
valid zephyr
you need to find better dibbles. i've taken groups of 3 allos with a dibble
zinc rivet
current Dibble VS rex is not at all like new dibble VS allo
zenith onyx
guess what? it was on a server where alt turn was disabled
covert birch
Then z turn
zinc rivet
there's your problem
covert birch
Diablos z turn is faster than its alt turn
zinc rivet
that's why you died
because no alt turn servers are not how the game is meant to be played or balanced xd
covert birch
and again, alt turn is being forced on all servers
zenith onyx
in the recode?
indigo sun
yep
zinc rivet
yeah
valid zephyr
alt turn is meant to be on, and the entire game is balanced around it.
if you play without it the game doesn't work right, and balance is broken.
indigo sun
it'll be in the basic movement controls and will have an animation
zinc rivet
replaced with Quick Turn. contextually the same, mechanically different and much more refined
zenith onyx
okay.
zinc rivet
turning in place is an intended feature
covert birch
and again kai
Even if you were on a no alt turn server
Diablos if you click z, then turn around turns faster than its alt turn does
left nacelle
If you press a key that's in a different direction than your animal is facing while standing still, your animal will automatically turn that way
in place*
covert birch
I mean 8v1 is never fair or fun
zenith onyx
even with z turn
covert birch
That is something that should make sense where you die
left nacelle
The only time 8v1 is fair is when it's like 8 troodons vs a trike or something like that lol
zenith onyx
diablo needs a health boost otherwise every other predator (in the game now and after the recode) will take advantage of diablos and kill them easily.
covert birch
covert birch
Diablo with new systems doesnt need hp buffs whatsoever, locational and forced alt turn will stop assriding
Current game diablo neither doesnt need an hp buff currently, just cuz you died to an 8v1 doesnt mean "diablo is weak currently"
zenith onyx
lol look above your text @covert birch
@real berry Pachy is going to have leg break in the recode. Kissen Kitten as anounced that it will have the ability.
mighty girder
you might've said jk but knowing this discord someone would've agreed with you
zenith onyx
yeah prob
barren zephyr
give the game at 10$
covert birch
It was dondi who said pachy would have bonebreak
Not kissen
mighty girder
....no? @barren zephyr
zenith onyx
no because then the salesmen would get almost not money for the game
mighty girder
Why would they ever make the game more cheap for one person
mighty girder
Unlucky, save up
barren zephyr
covid 19 keeps me at home, so no moneyt
mighty girder
if you cant afford 20, you shouldnt be buying games
zenith onyx
this game honestly should cost more then $20
mighty girder
you need your priorities re-evaluated if you can't afford 20 dollars but want games
zenith onyx
have you seen another game like the isle withe graphics or the mechanics?
covert birch
your salary nor where ya live doesnt really matter
They arent gonna reduce the price of the game without good reasoning
Plus if you cant afford 20 bucks why tf are ya buying video games
mighty girder
^^^^^^
neat beacon
Or wait for a sale
barren zephyr
it will be more players, and its a popular game, and moree cant afford, it so some reduce price for easter
zenith onyx
how much money would you guys say they have spent to make every dino in the game playable?
indigo sun
The devs need money too, cant go reducing prices when they've got to pay the people working on the game and are also still getting more people
mighty girder
all together, animations, modeling, sounds
covert birch
devs spend 7000 dollars per dino so dinosaur amount times 7000
indigo sun
Each fully made dinosaur with life stages and shit is $7000 yeah
mighty girder
Just wait for a sale. The games price isn't gonna get permanently reduced
if anything its gonna increase
neat beacon
7,000 x 30 or somethin
zenith onyx
okay so 7k for every dino you play. then ripping the game to its roots and rebuilding it for almost the same amount and more to create a better game.
neat beacon
$210,000
barren zephyr
yes, but how many buys were this month, not that many, at 10$ people will consider buying it
"D
zenith onyx
so it should be more like $60 or $40 so htey actually make a profit
mighty girder
@barren zephyr Just wait for a sale, if you cant afford the game you shouldnt be spending money on games, its not a lot. if you're that low on money you should focus more on food and bills.
Sorry/not sorry
covert birch
actually i saw quite a few new people to the isle this month
so the whole "not many people buy it" arguement doesnt really do much
zenith onyx
i agree with @mighty girder
neat beacon
Yeah I taught a new juvi giga the basics of every dinosaur
indigo sun
Theres constantly new people so clearly the price isnt an issue for that many people
covert birch
and again
If you cant afford it, focus on shit thats more important
mighty girder
and since the game isn't currently being updated where players can play, it wouldnt be a surprise if sales have dropped, it has nothing to do with the price. (To clarify before someone jumps on my head about the recode, I mean we can't play the new updates currently)
zenith onyx
i met new people on the isle almost everyweek i play it
barren zephyr
ok, ill make a petition for the game to go at 10$ 😄
neat beacon
K
indigo sun
How bout you wait, save money and pay the full $20 for the devs to keep working cause they need money too, bud
covert birch
or buy essentials over a video game
indigo sun
Yeah that too
neat beacon
I would say the devs will increase the price once the recode comes out
zenith onyx
or get teh things you actually need
indigo sun
If you can't afford a $20 game your money should not be going towards video games right now
neat beacon
I mean it was like how ark survival once was
it was once $30 and many people bought it
and it got expanded and then it went to $60
and people are still buying it since there's lots of new content
barren zephyr
i sell rdr2 steam account
neat beacon
huh
neat beacon
k
barren zephyr
come on where is the discount, im refreshing the steam for 5 minutes
mighty girder
?
barren zephyr
@zenith onyx yes, the graphics are wonderful
''but this game its a sandbox game with dinosaurs and elementals of survival games (only hungry and water). You mostly fight each other because there is nothing to do except that and explore the map; you can start roleplaying if you wish to add some replay value. This means that almost all of your time you will be only doing a few things really..eating, drinking, fighting, or running''
one of many reviews on steam...
zenith onyx
but is there any dino "survival" game out there that has other mechanics? tell me if there are?
@barren zephyr
And this game has other things as well. like nest building
and sandbox is going to be gotten rid of after the recode. once they reintroduce the apexes, sandbox will be over
icy lion
sandbox isnt going away
covert birch
and sandbox is going to be gotten rid of after the recode. once they reintroduce the apexes, sandbox will be over
@zenith onyx sandbox is staying
opaque blaze
I sure hope it's staying... Came here once I found out there even is a SB!
zenith onyx
no. after the apexes are put back in after the recode dondi said he was going to get rid of sandbox.
covert birch
He never said this
indigo sun
Please provide proof he said this.
opaque blaze
And wasn't there this "Legacy" thing where they'd keep a version of the game as it is now? It's on the Steam news
indigo sun
Yeah but thats going away once the new version is up to what the current gsme has
zenith onyx
i remember him saying it in this video. don't ask exact where. because i don't know.
indigo sun
I'd be annoyed that its just a 26 minute video i've got to comb through just to find this shit but i love watching dondi explain shit so im only mildly annoyed
covert birch
@static bridge that isnt really the channel to ask that question, #401464048610312195 would be the right place
But best start dinos are dryo, galli, utah, carno, and dilo
static bridge
thx
covert birch
@zenith onyx there arent really any land crocs large enough to prey on allos, nor fast enough to hunt utahs
Like prestosuchus, fasolasuchus, and razaan are hte largest they get to and allo is still larger by about a ton
strange wave
also long leg kapro 
zenith onyx
what wrong with long leg? (talking with russian acsent)
covert birch
The art depicts kaprosuchus
Who nowadays paleo people say didnt have long legs
It went from this
To this thing
random imp
look how they massacrated my boy... Kapro long legs was awesome
a frigging croc horse
now is just a croc
still a gallopping croc 'd be awesome.
left nacelle
Would be cool if hyper deino got long legs. It would hunt things away from water to satiate its hunger
covert birch
Deino aint gettin strains
left nacelle
Awww that sucks
covert birch
its not gettin them cuz of the whole "its biteforce can be dangerous to hypos"
Which ik was part of the now deconfirmed infinite growth deino
But prolly that part of it will be put on the elder deino when at max power
paper oriole
Kapro would kinda get merked by the current roster
Prestosuchus on the other hand, chef's kiss
covert birch
If they were to add a small crocodilian armadillosuchus would prolly be best
Armor can easily prevent it from getting destroyed by the rest of the roster, plus it burrowed irl and was omni so is unique in itself
Prestosuchus chad bigger land croc tho
paper oriole
Armadillo is neat, though is the same size as minmi i think
I remember him being itty bitty
covert birch
yea its minmi sized
Which is why i said it would work for a small tier croc
mighty girder
@barren zephyr Just turn notifications for the channel on, and you'll get pinged whenever something is posted
left nacelle
@opaque blaze Already coming, both of those
opaque blaze
Ok, thanks for the info 👍
left nacelle
No problem! 👍
opaque blaze
Might there be a roadmap or something or does it just drop once it's ready? New here and there's a lot of channels
left nacelle
They're going to give a week window when they can
They don't wanna give a date currently because they don't know for sure if everything will go to plan
But no there isn't really a roadmap. But you can see all the new stuff in #phase-two-archive
opaque blaze
Ok, I understand their decision. Thanks!
icy lion
i dont think maximum size will vary, but diet will impact your growth
indigo sun
@sharp flower 1.) you cant say "buff this animal" you need a reason and what needs to be buffed. 2.) it's sandbox, it's not getting touched until it gets redone for survival
sharp flower
chill
strange wave
great two useless suggestions in a row
harsh silo
"Release evrima" 
actually cracked me up, release it just so ppl complain that it isn't complete, of course!
void egret
Just a suggestion.
strange wave
a useless one, but still a suggestion
oblique sluice
A suggestions wich will be deleted
harsh silo
a useless one, but still a suggestion
pretty much
oblique sluice
Just like the one above it too
void egret
A suggestion is a suggestion.
oblique sluice
There are rules, mate
harsh silo
There's a thing called useful suggestions, they want those
harsh silo
^
void egret
Its not a troll suggestion. Im serious.
I don't care if it has bugs or is unfinished.
wise warren
That was more directed at “buff austro” suggestion
wise warren
But still, it will release when it is released, I know most people would prefer a functioning game than evrima right now
void egret
Idgaf what other ppl think.
oblique sluice
Even if its not trolling, asking for release the update is still against the rules
void egret
It was a suggestion.
harsh silo
So im just gonna move on
void egret
Cool.
wise warren
It’s a suggestion that gives absolutely nothing of value
And is also against the rules ^
wise warren
And it is almost certainly going to be deleted
oblique sluice
Ye he is trolling
paper oriole
Can see what the <@&401466542140817419> thinks of this suggestion
void egret
Lets see.
harsh silo
He just wants attention, I think he got enough
void egret
I thought you were moving on
wise warren
I understand being impatient but you should actually put a suggestion into your suggestion
I want evrima too but good things come to those who wait
harsh silo
I did move on, I'm not talking to u, i'm talking to the others
void egret
@wise warren 
harsh silo
oh it's already gone
wise warren
That is already the plan though?
void egret
I just wanted to see how the members of this community would deal with what I said. I got my answer.
wise warren
They are releasing it when it’s ready
harsh silo
He's a spy 
wise warren
Oh alright so you were trolling?
void egret
No I wasnt. I wanted to see how members of this discord would react. In a none trolling way
frail sigil
@void egret Make sure you read the pins and topic of a channel before posting "release update plz" is not a suggestion.
void egret
Bc I've heard very bad things abt this discord and wanted to see for myself.
frail sigil
this topic can be ended
void egret
ok Hikari
harsh silo
This discord can be nice, if the rules are followed ofc
I mean, they are there for a reason
somber parrot
You can continue your discussion somewhere else, please 😉
void egret
It seems to me, when people are confronted with something they dont like, even when its two words. The ppl in here get overprotective.
Im done as well
^There it is again.
Good job. lmao
harsh silo
Would be interesting if they pull things like that off, but gotta keep in mind that it needs to be useful for other juvies aswell, imo if frogs were added as ai to eat for juvies, other small animals could be added aswell, variety and all that u know?
sand dagger
Well I just mean it would be easier for deins to hunt bc they could(hopefully) ambush the toad/frog ai and if they jump in water they can swim after them
small birds might be nice. like seagulls u can eat
thorny crag
i like the size reward idea for when you ate everything perfectly, really would encourage people to stick to the diet
also would be cool if the kiddos would get a little tiny percentage from that bonus
but if they don't stick to the diet the kids from those kids would not have a bonus
paper oriole
Well good genes will pass onto nested hatchlings
So a rex who hunted proper, large prey would be both healthier and have healthier offspring than one which eats small, weak things
A trike who mostly grazes would be weaker than one who eats a veriety of preferred foods
paper oriole
if we get non-dino aquatic ocean AI i think this guy would be neat, alongside the crabs, probably unlikely though
horseshoe crabs are something modern that would be fun to find too
honest sparrow
@simple cliff #general-feedback or #401481402782056460 my guy
simple cliff
thanks and sorry lol
honest sparrow
it's ok
random imp
Nooo i missed the trolling guy... what a shame. Anyway, for what we know we might be able to choose a place where to spawn in Evrima. We do not inow how but it will come. So playing with friend will be easier. @simple cliff
simple cliff
thats good to know
pulsar lake
I can see that people like tackler acro, don't you @frosty crystal ?
Sorry for the ping ;-;
frosty crystal
it's fine ! And yeah i absolutely love tackler acro.
it has a huge body, so yeah i can see that working pretty well
frosty crystal
indeed
pulsar lake
But there are dinosaurs with really good too: Megaraptorians like Neovenator or Australovenator
But I see them as slasher that mainly attack with their hands.
They had had fucking long claws and very good arms motion
frosty crystal
australovenator is another dino i'd like in the game
pulsar lake
I should think about it to make a suggestion
Can be unique as well
People see it as an Allo clone but I see it being an intermediate between Allo and Utah.
It would be a pouncer like Utah but bigger
Using his claws to reap and tear preys
valid zephyr
Would love to see acro return. It's like an apex lite which could hunt sub adult and fresh adult true apexes.
And essentially keep their population lower.
frosty crystal
yeah, same.
pulsar lake
Yuty is really an Allo clone but some dinosaurs like Australo and Torvo aren't, but peoples keep saying they are
Thhat's Neovenator, a cousin of Australo
Look at these arms and claws
It could be same tier as Cera/Bary
This animal could pounce a bit like Utah on larger things, using his claws to reap and tear flesh.
The thing that would disappoint me is that Allo grapple would work like that 🤔
Acro would tackle and break bones of his prey when it grabs them, using his body mass to crush them.
Allo could grapple and use his bite to do damage while it tackles his prey with his arms.
Neo could tackle small things with his foot and uses his claws.
Utah would pounce smaller and larger creatures than itself, using his claws on his foot and biting
frosty crystal
yeah
zenith onyx
yep.
drifting chasm
Thanks to all the people who liked my post I wasn’t expecting that😅
zenith onyx
@frosty igloo if you wanna say something to me say it in here'
frosty igloo
I was making a suggestion based on youra
*yours
@zenith onyx I deleated it because its annoying when somone makes a suggestion and then you have a person write in it
meaning
zenith onyx
you don't have to say my name.
frosty igloo
The person was making a suggestion on a dinosaur and I didin't want it cut in half
sorry I was unsure if you would read it before other messages coverd it up
blazing charm
Damn, I was about to start talking about that Austral suggestion.
blazing charm
Personally, I'd have to disagree.
The claw attack doesn't seem that unique, and the grapple just honestly makes it super close to being a Utah or Allo, like some weird inbetween. Either you're going to be less agile than the raptor, and less powerful than the Allosaurus.
Okay
frosty igloo
My suggestion was that Spino and Sucho as well a Bary ( yet less effective at catching Mosasaur) have the ability to catch these creatures meaning that if a Mosa tries to swim in a river a Spino can catch it. Making it a stamina battle but with a twist. If you ever go fishing you know how hard it is to hold a fish. Now imagine that with clawed hands. So my idea is have different ways to try to slither out of the claws. Meaning while being held. You can use "Roll" and this will use more stamina but will mean you try to slither out. Or if your big enough you can "Bite" also a lot of stamina. If the Mosa is small maybe it can fall between the spinos fingers or the spino can simply.... chomp no more Mosa.....
may I use that as my suggestion
?
pulsar lake
Yeah, actually that's what I wanted to go, an inbetween them actually. I was going for a Utah/Allo or an offensive spinosaurid but much smaller.
granite vigil
What about Bary?
pulsar lake
Bary is defensive, claws are defense for spinosaurids.
Just Bary is the most hunter of the 3
blazing charm
Okay, that's not really unique. You're basically making something that is going to be constantly in competition with both Utahraptor and Allosaurus, and more or less does the same thing.
granite vigil
The claws can easily be made offensive for Bary
zenith onyx
love you idea mito! you should post it!
and i yes i understand it was offensive claws only
but this is a survival game that has been twisted a little so...
not complete correct.
pulsar lake
Yeah, it's kinda in competition with them actually. I tried to make a Megaraptorian viable in the game.
Bary claws are mostly used for fishing and to push back oppenments like Cera. Sure it can use them to kill smaller things but Bary would mostly use them to defend itself.
zenith onyx
it's okay!
pulsar lake
But if it's too much in competition then it's not viable.
zenith onyx
your bring attention to both our ideas so im fine with that
frosty igloo
ok
blazing charm
@pulsar lake Okay, you're kinda missing the point.
Yes, competition is good, but not when the creatures are more or less doing the same thing. You'd have less variation, despite more creatures being present.
zenith onyx
well all the spinorids will be able to hunt fish so it won;t matter anyway. they could use Mito's idea because it would be means to escape. same for the ptera and utah. same situation.
pulsar lake
By the way, King, what do you think of tackler Acro ?
blazing charm
Tackler Acro?
pulsar lake
Yeah, Gyarados did a suggestion a little bit before my Australo and I did one with this ability a long time ago, like a week I think.
zenith onyx
tackler acro seems like a good idea.
blazing charm
So, potentially a literal bigger Allo, depending on whether or not that grapple mechanic ever works out.
zenith onyx
might be hard to tackle things like trike or stego though
or bigger dinos like rex even.
pulsar lake
I will find mine for you
zenith onyx
okay.
pulsar lake
"Acro has a very large motion of the forelimbs so Acro could "hug" his preys, tackling his prey to his belly and then to the ground brutaly. This attack does a lot of bone break to the victim (chest/ribs bone break, maybe even vertebra bone break). If the Acro player fails his attack, he falls and hurts himself like broken ribs or some losed HP."
That's my idea for tackle
zenith onyx
okay. But if he breaks all those bones of teh prey it can be an easy attack to do to anything.
blazing charm
That sounds so broken.
zenith onyx
maybe something like drains the prey's stam while getting back up and means it can't run away
has to fight now instead of running
pulsar lake
Yeah, or just broken ribs which make stamina recovery longer and make your stamina drains a lot more
zenith onyx
maybe
but acro really has no place in the ecosystem though ohter hten be a pest to apexes
blazing charm
Okay, there's still the problem of it potentially being a literal bigger Allo
zenith onyx
yes. that too
The acro would only be a bigger version of the allo it alonge with bone break it would essentially be an apex
pulsar lake
Make Acro like Sub giga ? Just with a better trot.
Acro could be slower than Rex and faster than Giga is Rex will still stay faster than Giga.
compact coyote
so shit?
pulsar lake
Hm
blazing charm
Yeah no, not sure why you'd want to use a defunct life cycle stage for a new creature.
compact coyote
cause the last i remember sub giga is kinda poopoo
zenith onyx
well if you upgrade it to sub gigas trot speed it would be more viable. But faster then sub giga would be just too fast.
pulsar lake
Sub giga is stronger than anything except apexes and same power as sucho
zenith onyx
and it would need lose the bone break because otherwise it would be too powerfull.
pulsar lake
Just, slow
blazing charm
Being a large predator, and being slow is not something you want to strive for.
zenith onyx
sub giga at full growth is still very slow to make up for its power.
zenith onyx
it's slow to make for adult growth which is fast
pulsar lake
That's sub giga problem
zenith onyx
But acro is too big and too fast to be a viable creature because it can outrun almost everything.
pulsar lake
In the current game
zenith onyx
and it has no place in the new ecosystem in the recode
blazing charm
Sub giga growth is broken
So, you want Acro to be garbage 99% of the time? Since it would be slow, like Sub Giga.
Am I misunderstanding what you're saying?
left nacelle
Acro is only fast in the current game because it was upscaled but it's animations weren't changed to balance it's speed
Same thing with austro and herrera currently
pulsar lake
But, thinking about balance is kinda dumb because the game is going to change.
Of course I don't want Jaffad lmao
zenith onyx
it would only take the place of apexes and there is no need for another apex. (acro is not an apex)
pulsar lake
Acro is pseudo apex
covert birch
@pulsar lake the whole australo thing seems like a bary who can jump to me
If ya really want australo maybe you can use the newer larger sizes which push it up to above allo iirc
But generally for a megaraptora ide like siats since body tackle n such fits it body wise really, and its assumed adult size is pretty much acro without the hump, would be cool if they did the whole acro into siats similar to pue into brachi during the remodel
zenith onyx
yes it is. But why have another apex? they are already adding two more. we don't need a third apex. there is no need for it in the recode. I agree with BLue on the megaraptor though.
covert birch
its not another apex
pulsar lake
Maybe the trot faster than Rex one but slower than giga's one
Run faster than Giga but slower than Rex
It could have a better stamina than both
Siat is a pretty good choice for being an Austalo/Acro
pulsar lake
Siats is smaller than apexes
covert birch
Imo body tackle is fine if it did bonebreak based on a creatures weight
pulsar lake
Siats
Imo body tackle is fine if it did bonebreak based on a creatures weight
@covert birch ^
I mean, it won't destroy something like a Para but a poor Cera would die.
covert birch
zenith onyx
body tackle is great but teh bone would only make it a easy to kill anything.
covert birch
wait nvm ya cant see it
zenith onyx
even rex has to work alittle to kill anything
covert birch
Well kai the thing is you would have to hit a tackle
If ya miss you damage yourself cuz ya tackled the ground
zenith onyx
yes. But if it had bone break it wouldn't even have to work hard to get a kill.
covert birch
nah not that far
pulsar lake
That your ribs that are broken
zenith onyx
and every apex takes takes damage when they go into a fight.
pulsar lake
If the prey goes straight on yeah but if not it's hard to do. And remember that drifting are going to be a thing.
covert birch
Kai, it has to work hard to get the ambush off, its the preys fault if they dont see or hear to animal coming in time to dodge the tackle
And im not saying use current midtier raper acro
pulsar lake
I hate current Acro personnally
zenith onyx
yeah. but there should be some way to cancel the attack or counter act it so the acro doesn't jsut comepletly overpower you
covert birch
i love it currently, but yea it is op
pulsar lake
Dodge it
covert birch
Kai heres how you counter act it
Move tf outa the way
zenith onyx
like a shake animation like the trike with the utah
covert birch
And if ya larger or the same size of the acro,
Like a trike for example can impale it
pulsar lake
I mean, you will see it when it will try trop tackle you and yeah of course a body check would cancel it.
Or make it harder, a Maia that body check will make the things harder and the Acro could fail his hunt.
covert birch
A maia body checking wouldnt stop the acro
neither a para
5 ton acro vs iirc around 3 tons on both para n maia
pulsar lake
That's still pretty big
covert birch
That aint walkeri
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401464048610312195/697275617850294333/Mid_v_Para.png?width=1441&height=406
wait nvm
im dumb
zenith onyx
but if it is allo down sized like @pulsar lake has said, then there would be no need for it because it would be able to tackle really anything.
covert birch
Walkeri is the species we got ingame
zenith onyx
except things like diablo or utah sized things
covert birch
Kai yes it can tackle anything smaller than it
But again most those things smaller than it can avoid it via running or dodging or hiding
pulsar lake
Acro could have a really bad run turning and a slow drift so it needs to restart his run to be maximal speed
covert birch
Like how small things deal with large stuff now
zenith onyx
yeah. But where does it fit in the ecosystem?
what would be its purpose?
that the current allo doesn't already fill?
and the future allo
covert birch
pulsar lake
Pseudo apex that hunt regulate mid tiers in general and young apex population.
Allo needs to be in pack and a lone Acro could take on a young adult Rex, Giga or Spino.
covert birch
i can see 2 doin it if they ambush
frosty crystal
if we are getting the tackle mechanic of course
i mean if the acro could like go full speed and body slam the full grown rex then yeah maybe 2 acros are enough
zenith onyx
so you guys think it just be a bigger allo that is small competition for apexes?
pulsar lake
I don't really want it to be a giant allo
pulsar lake
Giga is endurance and Allo will surely be ambusher
covert birch
Its gotta be unique nichewise too
frosty crystal
Its gotta be unique nichewise too
@covert birch body slam mechanic makes it unique
covert birch
A body slam isnt a niche
zenith onyx
i can see it working after reading blue's link but it would need to be slower then the allo or it would be able to kill almost anything other then apexes unless htere is a group of them.
covert birch
And its too large to do niche overlap with allo
The doc raven made is generally what i want with acro
frosty crystal
make it so that the more speed acro gains, the stronger the body slam is
covert birch
Nightvision thing is what i disagree with unless higher nightvisions become a more contested field
pulsar lake
I need to test something, which have the faster trot between sub giga and Rex ?
covert birch
sub giga iirc
zenith onyx
it would need nightvision lik ehe said so that it could avoid apexes at night.
frosty crystal
imo acro should keep his current trot speed
pulsar lake
No
covert birch
No badass
frosty crystal
that's just my opinion
covert birch
That is just giga 2.0
pulsar lake
^
covert birch
But to midtiers now
frosty crystal
true, don't want more people saying discount giga
pulsar lake
Giga already trot down things pretty easily and Acro is worst
Mid tier need an escape
covert birch
acros trot is already better than gigas iirc
zenith onyx
it would need it's nighvision if it is supposed to be a tracker like the link said.
frosty crystal
acros trot is already better than gigas iirc
it is
pulsar lake
It is
covert birch
Kai it wouldnt if it can sniff stuff
zenith onyx
and it needs its speed decreased..
covert birch
Giga tracks efficiently and doesnt have good nightvision
honest sparrow
who's suggestion are we dissecting?
frosty crystal
i suck at tracking with giga lol
covert birch
and the whole "to avoid apexs" can be applied to anything
You dont need it
pulsar lake
We're discussing about Acro with Badass, Raven and my suggestion
With the tackler Acro
covert birch
Badass literally just walk in the direction the thing your chasing is, and sniff once every time hes outa your sight
zenith onyx
but think about though, if it has nighvision it can track ver easily, balancing out the grapple mechanic.
honest sparrow
football acro is dope, sweet
frosty crystal
footprints is what confuses me when i'm tracking
covert birch
It would rape midtiers who dont have good nightvision
zenith onyx
and it would be a terror of the night. not day.
covert birch
Terror of the night is still bad if ya shitstomp everything cuz they cant see ya
zenith onyx
why>?
honest sparrow
That sounds a tad wrong, a pesudo should not be picking on apexes
pulsar lake
Acro is a pseudo apex so it is really strong. Yes it could avoid apexes but rapes any mid tiers that don't have a good NV.
covert birch
pteradon we are referring to packs of acro
honest sparrow
ah
zenith onyx
dilo picks on everything and it's not even a mid tier dino
covert birch
Dilo is different since its small and killable
frosty crystal
dilo is getting nerfed
honest sparrow
that's what's happening iirc
covert birch
dilo is getting both buffed and nerfed
Trample damage n such is the nerf
The venom is more of a positive imo
zenith onyx
the acro wouldn't have a nighvision like dilo's, just bigger then most.
frosty crystal
imo two acro to take one rex down, maybe a really skilled one could solo a rex
pulsar lake
But night acro sounds like a terrible idea
frosty crystal
indeed it does
covert birch
Night psuedo apex only works, if nightvision is a more contested thing people have
pulsar lake
imo two acro to take one rex down, maybe a really skilled one could solo a rex
@frosty crystal I don't think. Rex is a 8 tons crusher of 13 meters long
covert birch
Hell the whole idea of acro with nightvision iirc was born from the thought more things will be getting better nightvision
frosty crystal
@frosty crystal I don't think. Rex is a 8 tons crusher of 13 meters long
@pulsar lake if it's getting body slam. it could imo
zenith onyx
it would work if it wasn't to the degree of that dilo's have.
frosty crystal
the question is what will rex stats be after evrima
covert birch
Speed we know is generally the same
zenith onyx
yes that too'
honest sparrow
or even giga and spino's for that matter
frosty crystal
question, should acro stam be buffed or keep the same ?
pulsar lake
I'm asking how will be Cerato if Allo is faster 🤔
I think that Acro should be a cathermal, decent night vision would be good.
frosty crystal
if we getting football acro
pulsar lake
That depend of a lot of things
If speed change
His bleed resistance
His damages
His health
frosty crystal
32km/h acro sounds resonable
pulsar lake
But I think that if Acro gets a speed nerf then make it has more stamina, maybe a minute or 1:30
frosty crystal
tbh, if acro is getting bodyslam, it should be a walking tank
hence why i think it should be able to tussle with a rex
zenith onyx
that sounds just like trike which overpowers everything.
pulsar lake
I don't really see it working on very large preys
frosty crystal
i do personally
honest sparrow
what's the largest you'd think levi?
frosty crystal
for large preys, make acro like a football team, needs severals to actually manage to tackle something
pulsar lake
Sucho @honest sparrow
covert birch
Acro should at max tackle other acros and do a monitor style wrestle match
pulsar lake
^
covert birch
the larger the prey gets the less of a tackle it beocmes and more of a pin down i guess
frosty crystal
i think tbh it could tackle rexes, but would need to damage enough rex legs and need atleast 3 acros
imo
zenith onyx
I think acro is just a bigger version of teh sub giga
honest sparrow
dog piling acros
honest sparrow
wait guys, quit it something looked similar, not worthy of being in-game
dibble, ava, austro, velo, alberto, proto, beipi, and mono aren't neccesary now
honest sparrow
so should acro
zenith onyx
But htey aren't adding acro
pulsar lake
Acro is a low priority and might be an AI or a sandbox
frosty crystal
zenith onyx
atleast they haven't said anything about releasing acro
pulsar lake
But we would like it to be in survival in the future
zenith onyx
idk about acro
honest sparrow
they haven't said anything about NOT putting it in 
zenith onyx
that's what i said.
atleast they haven't said anything about releasing acro
@zenith onyx
zenith onyx
yeah. spino weighs more i think (not sure)
frosty crystal
definetly should be able to tackle rex then
honest sparrow
spino weighs more, don't know about giga
frosty crystal
if the acros damages the rrex legs enough
pulsar lake
zenith onyx
"However, there are only six known specimens of Spinosaurus. ... The largest T-Rex specimen found was about 12 meters (40 feet) long and 4 meters (13 feet) tall at the hip, weighing between 4.5 tons and 7.2 tons, about one-third the weight of a Spinosaurus. The structure of the two large creatures were also different." something i just found.
frosty crystal
apparantly acro weight is either 5 700 – 6 200 kg
frosty crystal
considering locational dmg is gonna be a thing, i can see acro tackling a rex
so yeah probably not getting it
pulsar lake
BUT
honest sparrow
zenith onyx
no! acro is overpowering
zenith onyx
atleast to non apexes
honest sparrow
it's supposed to body everything
zenith onyx
it's just another allo but bigger
frosty crystal
allo is just a giga but smaller
@honest sparrow fun fact, bryan said that
frosty crystal
i'm allowed to say allo is discount giga
zenith onyx
no. htey have different hip bones. two different species.
honest sparrow
acro is VASTLY different from giga and allo, tf are you on m8
honest sparrow
zenith onyx
it looks alot like it. and it's got about the same damg output as the giga, just smaller
frosty crystal
same lmao
honest sparrow
if that's so ALL large thropods look the same
covert birch
Both bleeders
One smaller than the other
Both have good stam for their tier
honest sparrow
has a crest, similar body plan, is fairly slow, decent bleed and stam
zenith onyx
differen't calls
honest sparrow
HOW THE FUCK IS THAT A POINT
covert birch
^
zenith onyx
and they preyed on totally different dinos
zenith onyx
and they were in different time periods
honest sparrow
well actually, they did both prey on sauropods on occasion
covert birch
Giga trots down midtiers and smaller
kai when normally calling something a clone, you refer to ingame versions of the animals
honest sparrow
fun fact buddy: acro fits all the criteria you listed
zenith onyx
different time periods
honest sparrow
check
zenith onyx
i did
honest sparrow
acro is early creatceous, allo is late jurassic, preyed on different dinos, and have different calls in game too
covert birch
So kai, by the same logic you used for allo not being a giga clone, you can use the same for acro, allo and giga
Stop using real life comparisons and use ingame comparisons
zenith onyx
how is a allo them same dino as a giga?
zenith onyx
ah okay.
just @frosty crystal said that an allo was a giga was all
i was trying to tell him otherwise
honest sparrow
no he didn't
frosty crystal
just @frosty crystal said that an allo was a giga was all
Gameplay wise
honest sparrow
gameplay wise they are similar
zenith onyx
i'm allowed to say allo is discount giga
@frosty crystal
honest sparrow
because it's smaller than giga, and has a very similar playstyle
zenith onyx
how gameplay wise?
frosty crystal
yet people get triggered when i see allo is discount giga
honest sparrow
we went in a circle didn't we
frosty crystal
when even bryan said it
zenith onyx
it doesn't overpower everything like the giga to get food.
zenith onyx
sorry allo is a ambusher. not a bleeder
honest sparrow
hell when giga was introduced, it was supposed to be played simialr to allo and acro
frosty crystal
sorry allo is a ambusher. not a bleeder
@zenith onyx bruh giga is same as allo
honest sparrow
part of the bleeder tree
frosty crystal
there ^
zenith onyx
giga can kill almost everything a few bites
zenith onyx
language gess
honest sparrow
the beauty of freedom of speech
honest sparrow
do it then
frosty crystal
jeez i'm out of the convo, we aren't even talking about the suggestion anymore
zenith onyx
i like to constrict my language unlike some people
honest sparrow
yeah, I'm out then cya kai
zenith onyx
but htis channel isn't about this so
cya @honest sparrow! hope you have a great day!
frosty crystal
bai 👋
honest sparrow
you too
frosty crystal
we went so far lol
zenith onyx
i quote " two jews - three opinions" ( not being rascist).
frosty crystal
wat 
honest sparrow
so confused
frosty crystal
same lmao
zenith onyx
lots of people, lots of opinions
frosty crystal
indeed
honest sparrow
indeed
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr i thought the hippo spino had been confirmed by don himself?
I think he just liked the idea? I'm not sure 🤷♂️
welp, i had some ideas about it tho
Share with the audience please 👀👀👀
well
i was just wondering
the baby spino?
how will it do with this mechanic
honest sparrow
I mean baby hippos can follow their mothers as well, I don't see why they wouldn't be able to do it, besides being slightly above the ground most of the time
covert birch
hippo thing was an idea bryan gave that dondi showed support for
barren zephyr
I mean baby hippos can follow their mothers as well, I don't see why they wouldn't be able to do it, besides being slightly above the ground most of the time
@honest sparrow ^^^ it would work pretty much the same but maybe quicker seeing as it's smaller?
ok
well, now for my idea, hippos are one of the if not THE fastest underwater sub aquatic animal today, spinosaurus has a giant tail which it could use as a rodder for it to go extremly fast underwater, this means it can probably go faster than the deino fast swim, that makes spino a perfect underwater hunter and a perfect agressive dino to play as
this also makes the Spinosaurus way more aggressive in water as the devs have made it look, they say something in the lines of, spino will be defensive on land and defensive in water
I like this 😊 but couldn't both work
uhhh, wdym both? im sorry im abit slow today
pulsar lake
Both swims can work
barren zephyr
ohhh, like both the baby and adult or... am i missing something?
What I suggested was that it could switch between hippo run and swim given the situation 😂 it's ok
...
well then
For baby and adult
(brain size small)
god my brain simply does not work today
Lol it happens to the best of us 😂😂😂
yeah....
well
how about for oxygen
will it have expanded oxygen, like more lung size than other animals
pulsar lake
It's a semi aquatic so yeah surely
barren zephyr
welp ima get some sleep, my brain hurts rn, cya
zenith onyx
@barren zephyr your idea is insane! i love it. hope your ideas are put in game!
barren zephyr
@zenith onyx awww thanks 😭😭😭
strange wave
mentioned, semi confirmed we dont really know
wise warren
Your suggestion doesn’t say anything to fix or add, it just is a rant I feel it would be more suited to #401481402782056460
If you are having a lot of lag, you might need to check your internet connection or play on servers with less people and/or hosted closer to you
left nacelle
@unborn wigeon That's not even a suggestion. That's just you complaining. That lag has to be on your end, since I've never experienced anything like that
wise warren
If you aren’t enjoying playing the game and it makes you want to throw your computer out a window maybe you should take a break, play another game. But again you need to have something suggested for it to count as a suggestion, it will likely be deleted by staff soon
left nacelle
@opaque blaze Spawning mechanism is already changing. I believe I told you this a day or two ago
paper oriole
Props to what ever trike killed him so i could be amused by his rage
ashen wasp
mercs get nothing....... not a sssssssingle thing. make them fear. make them run. make them live in constant terror and work tooth and nail for loot, shelter, food... then have them croak to a horde of Velociraptors
peak wedge
Merc dude will go after someone if that happens
Tbh id go after someone metaphorically if that happened
paper oriole
Being a human in this game should be the peak of the horror experience
They should get oneshot by galli and dryo
tight frigate
i might be wrong but won't we get a minimap in Evrima? 
ashen elm
Yea that's what's been said. It's so Dondi gets to name locations instead of us mainly
cobalt compass
@opaque blaze dude, did you any searching of what the update contents?
yes, dragging will be a core mechanic
opaque blaze
Do they put such things on the main site? If so, I'll check there, or wherever they put it
cobalt compass
wait a sec
there is a pinned post of the last "QnA" from iirc feb or late jan, take a look at that pages, might answer the most questions you have
think it is in #401464048610312195
opaque blaze
Ay, thanks!
tight frigate
also check out #phase-two-archive
cobalt compass
yep #401464048610312195 pins of saolzod
fallen folio
people will name locations what they want anyways..dondi cant really stop that lol
random imp
well the different locations will have ufficial names
frosty crystal
^
random imp
if you decide to call them another way, that's up to you but not really clever if i may say so.
cobalt compass
'you wanna go to the "maia hills"' sure why not, wait... isnt thats "rex territory"...?'
real berry
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safe galleon
that deino sounds suggestion sounds kinda under-whelming
and sounds like gravel being moved
paper oriole
deino get hit: "eeeynh"
vestal rune
sounds like a person with a stuffy nose inhaling
left nacelle
That sounds like a noise a small caiman would make if anything lol
paper oriole
sounds liek me when i attempt to sit up in the morning
frosty crystal
the sound XD
random imp
poor kiddo, at least he tried
paper oriole
Mountain oro sounds cool, not sure mimicry fits it tho
ashen wasp
oh I DO like the idea of Oro getting some sort of jump ability, like a startle or a sudden LEAP horizontally/vertically to escape from predators. It'd have a moderate cooldown to prevent overuse, but as far as climbing up to safe areas/terrain and an initial dodge during a hunt is concerned, Oro would have an edge!!
(Think like a Utahraptor's pounce, but instead of offense it's defense. Purely a method of escape)
paper oriole
Maybe oro could have a normal jump, but holding the space bar would use more stam for a leap, not a hard cooldown
covert birch
Mimicry ide prefer put into a carni/omni instead of a herbi
The mountain oro is cool, ide love to see more mountain roaming animals in general
paper oriole
Hard cooldowns would feel out of place
covert birch
Stam usage fits this game much better than cooldowns
paper oriole
i still want oviraptor mimic
covert birch
Ovi works pretty well mimic wise
Does a mimic to attract parents to a possible juvi, then runs around to sneak up n get the eggs
paper oriole
Yeah plus his looks sorta remind me of a parrot lol
Calls to lure juvies too, since the meat part of his diet would be eggs and small juvies/hatchlings
Juvies looking for a group would have to be wary
covert birch
Would generally be a good huntin tool n such
strange wave
will agree that is a better idea, i was just looking for something special for oro
covert birch
Also quick thing about oro leap type ability
Wouldnt that make it too similar to hypsi
like the hypsi concept art shows it doin that big jump over the compys
paper oriole
Mountain oro would work pretty well, maybe he can have better footing too
Be an oro, run down a steep slope to escape a dilo, watch him barrel roll down to his death right past you
covert birch
a whole mountain ecosystem can do pretty well
With stuff like mountain goat pachy, herras n such climbing up
Pterosaurs nesting on cliffs
paper oriole
Oro could also live off of the scrappy and otherwise overlooked mountain foliage that lack enough nutrients for other herbis
strange wave
^ good idea, im gonna add that to the suggestion
random imp
mountain goat oro, sounds cool
a little niche for it
but yhea i don't like either the idea of oro being able to mimic calls, a carni 'd fit better, luring smaller preys to their death
unborn wigeon
@unborn wigeon That's not even a suggestion. That's just you complaining. That lag has to be on your end, since I've never experienced anything like that
@left nacelle
yeah it is a suggestion because that needs to be freakin fixed and I highly doubt you have not received lag before on this game don't try and start something with me because you don't like what I have to say and your also complaining because your complaining about my suggestion.
harsh silo
random imp
lol, what did i just read...
i never experienced lag, only rubberbanding in very populated servers and not even that often ( only one time in fact). So yhea the lag problem is on your end.
check the minimum required specs
or try playing the game on lower settings
indigo sun
Ive experienced only minor lag in the past.
If you're having issues its either your internet or your computer
opaque blaze
I have pings between 200 and 600. Surprisingly little lag for me, and my internet is shit atm
indigo sun
The ping listed on the player list is wrong iirc
random imp
i heard that too
opaque blaze
I use the performance overlay. What he server list lists is still between 150 and 300