nocturne sonnet
yes
#general-feedback-discussion
paper oriole
Lmao what the fuck is that anorexic brachi in that pic
left nacelle
@zenith onyx Eventually herds will create dust clouds. So if you look out over the island and see a massive cloud of dust, there's a big herd there
random imp
reading feedbacks and suggestion, especially the new ones make me feel so sad. bunch of aggressive, dumb people making troll suggestions or writing suggestion that show that they did not read the few rules that exist, and making feeback about the clear issues and balance of the current game ( boy, not knowing that the game is being totally reworked is so stupid, we've been talking about "the recode" for a year basically) or attacking the team and offending the game and the devs. this is sad.
icy lion
for a third (or fourth?) time, recode/phase2 literacy test before permission to post in suggestions
zenith onyx
But how can you see the cloud unless your a ptera?
left nacelle
Go to a high up place, or just look in a direction lol
neat beacon
I'm just thinking of another crocodilian kinda thing
neat beacon
It's semi-aquatic
it moved out of water because the competition with other crocodilians was too high
So Dieno would prob be its main fear
barren zephyr
Yea with long legs it would walk better
paper oriole
In your suggestion you state it can sprint for a long time to outrun prey, but then you say its stamina drains quickly when running. Which is it?
neat beacon
sorry mistake
zenith onyx
If there are too many croc nobody will wanna play any of them.
paper oriole
Not that i'm against it or anything, more quadrupeds would be good for carnis
neat beacon
There's like 1 croc\
paper oriole
There could be a less croc looking land croc like prestosuchus lol
neat beacon
Well then 2 crocs
paper oriole
Are all our theropods boring?
A few crocs wouldnt hurt, like maybe 3 if they are unique enough
zenith onyx
yeah. but if like five or eight are added then it would get boring. ANd with so many ideas for crocs it's over crowding.
THey are all good ideas.
But i don't see even really two in game because of hte hype for the Deino
people are mostly happy with just that one.
paper oriole
A carnivorous land quadruped would be refreshing too though, since all the land predators are theropods
If they picked one land gator, the land gators are a lot smaller than deino and some of them look quite different from it as well.
zenith onyx
okay. But i still think it would have the same that the galli and the dryo had.
neat beacon
we could maybe just have 3 crocs
zenith onyx
maybe.
paper oriole
Like this guy looks different enough from deino, and he'd fill a unique role as a dilo/utah tier crusher and ambusher
neat beacon
There's also different crocs in the vid, it just focuses on Boverisuchus/Pristicampus
zenith onyx
Isn't that the croc from walking with dinosaurs?
paper oriole
I dunno it's the first image i got for prestosuchus lol
neat beacon
This looks better
zenith onyx
hmm. it looks alot like it. I hate how htey always change the names and so nobody knows what anything is.
neat beacon
And the size of it
paper oriole
If there were two land crocs there could be bleeder and crusher, and/or endurance and ambusher
paper oriole
Actually these two guys would be different tiers anyway so i dont think theyd conflict
neat beacon
Yeah, one more of a crusher, and one a bleeder
paper oriole
It'd be so great to have the quadruped variety
paper oriole
And they could use tail attacks which dont make a lot of sense with the theropods who need their tails for balance
neat beacon
Yeah
Imagine a mixpack with all the crocos tho
A bleeder, crusher, and tank
jesus terrifying
paper oriole
Deino wouldnt need help from these pipsqueaks lol
zenith onyx
yeah he could eat or tail slap them all if he wanted.
zenith onyx
prob
neat beacon
Have the damn hierarchy
The small guys bleed out fast bois
Crushers ambush
tank
Tank closes the kill
paper oriole
A mob boss deino and his pristi and presto minions
zenith onyx
lol.
paper oriole
It'd be like a disney villain squad. In a serious note i really hope we get a land gator at some point
Would be a refreshing addition
zenith onyx
yes. But what im looking forward to is possibly another ptera sub species or some other flyer
neat beacon
Maybe forest floor or seaside pteros?
added that
@ebon tiger yeah it it
*is
Ty
It would give more variety
left nacelle
My bad, thought I was in discussion lol
left nacelle
Variety isn't really the best reason
neat beacon
terrestrial
left nacelle
Oh no no, I'm talking about the pterosaurs
neat beacon
Oh
left nacelle
Cause you just said "Maybe these?" and that was it
neat beacon
Since someone up suggested sub species of pterosaurs
neat beacon
Maybe just like as scavengers
left nacelle
But then what separates them from Pteras?
neat beacon
Smaller, scavengers. Pteros usually get fish, the scavengers will usually eat carcasses
left nacelle
Ptera's not just gonna eat fish tho. It's gonna be mostly a scavenger going by what the devs have been saying
If not mostly a scavenger, then it'll be a scavenger and a fisher
neat beacon
Well I dunno, it's not complicated and thought out
I just said it because someone else had that idea
It's a suggestion if the devs want it
left nacelle
Well I'm all for the idea, I love small pterosaurs. But other people will probably want reasoning
neat beacon
Someone thought a sub-species of ptera would also be nice
so i posted some sub-species of smaller pteras
left nacelle
I feel like that would be waaaaaay too similar
Sub species are so close that they can usually breed with each other. That's a bit too similar sounding imo
indigo sun
Fruit eating tupa please, so we have both a herbivorous and carnivorous flyer, or an omnivore whatever the fuck it is
that has something to it
Rather than just a shittier ptera
paper oriole
Tupa could be on the herbi roster but be able to eat supplemential prey like frogs
And it could nest in treetops vs ptera cliff nesting
zenith onyx
Tapijara would be an awesome flyer to have in game
shell willow
tapejara is extremely small, it'd be prey for compies
paper oriole
tapejara's wingspan is only a few feet smaller than tupa's right?
though tupa is already sorta small
neat beacon
maybe this size?
paper oriole
not sure how trustworthy prehistoricwildlife's size chart of it is but that size is good
for a playable
neat beacon
The isle isn't realistic
It's gonna have like mutant giants
And albino humanoid cannibals
I think making a pterosaur a bit bigger is alright
paper oriole
they do try to be somewhat accurate with sizes though, think some dinos are getting resizes to fit their irl sized if i remember right
or maybe they just mentioned it
neat beacon
Hypo compy
paper oriole
tupa has a 16ft wingspan i think, tape has a 12foot
indigo sun
Its decent sized no matter what chart i see
paper oriole
itty bitty lol
paper oriole
yeah at that size i think he'd basically be food for ptera to hunt down
pteranodon is larger than tupa in wingspan even if i remember right
but only by a little
shell willow
put that tiny thing on the ground, and 2 compies would gut it in seconds
paper oriole
theoretically if that thing made it in it would probably only want to land in trees or on rock outcrops/cliffs where small predators wouldnt be likely to reach it
i hope we get some arboreal dinos in the future too, idk if theyre doing it with herrera
some arboreal gliders would be badass and would be preds for pteranodon
left nacelle
@zenith onyx Herbi food is going to be remade in EVRIMA (Obviously) but the blue and pink plants would just look ugly
zenith onyx
no It didn't look bad then. And of course if they did implement it they'd improve it and make look better.
strange wave
yeah it wouldn't be pink or blue
left nacelle
It looked bad then, and it'll look even worse now because of how the game's graphics have improved
left nacelle
If they'd fix it to make it look better, then why make them look pink or blue again in the first place? Just make them stand out in a different way
zenith onyx
it's just an idea.
left nacelle
It would just look super out of place
zenith onyx
and giantaius Cabarus is huge. a releative of the cabbage and it's still purple too
neat beacon
Maybe pastel pink and blue flower-plants?
left nacelle
That could work better
neat beacon
Like rose bushes/
zenith onyx
that's what im suggesting! thank you @neat beacon
left nacelle
You didn't specify flowers
neat beacon
This would look ugly
left nacelle
Bushes and flowers are two very different things
neat beacon
But with like little flowers sprouting
left nacelle
Yeah, that picture is what I pictured when reading that suggestion
But anyway, the devs are already improving herbi stuff, so the whole suggestion is pretty much irrelevant
neat beacon
Well flower bushes would be nice
left nacelle
They would, but I'm fine with the bushes we currently have tbh. They fit in, and they're recognizable enough that you know they're food
strange wave
the plants were blue and pink so people could find them before scent
zenith onyx
yes. And with so much jungle and forest going to be in the recode it would make it slightly easier to find food. without having to smell everytime for food.
the bushes could lokk like this
these guys here could be what they look like after they've been redone.
And this is another one. But it has all the mechanics that the bushes now have. Once eaten the leaves disapear and the limbs are all that's left.
indigo sun
@sinful orbit you need more than "it would be cool"
covert birch
Brachylophosaurus would literally be another maia/para situation
zenith onyx
yes.
covert birch
If anything it would be a maia skin
zenith onyx
yeah prob. But it is still a cool idea though.
indigo sun
Why cant people have more than "add this thing!" Put effort in please, its boring to read
Its like the 3rd time today
wise warren
This is in the pinned messages, wish people would actually read
indigo sun
I posted it
wise warren
Oh it was already posted lol
wise warren
I think they are cool dinos but you need to have something at least
just saying "Hey do this" without any reasoning or stat/niche suggestions will get it overlooked
neat beacon
@wise warren I posted it since someone suggested other kinds of pteras, we decided later on tupa might be a nice addition as another flier due to its more forested life style.
honest sparrow
think about how tf quetz would catch tupan
covert birch
it wouldnt
Cuz tupan is a forest dweller
Quetz is too large to be able to fly in there
honest sparrow
exactly
paper oriole
When tupan travels bewteen areas he would be vulnerable
Though id think hed have better agility too
covert birch
Hed prolly have less stam in exchange for being able to go onto trees
and overall better aerial agility to be able to duck n weave between trees
paper oriole
Tupan players hanging out with their herd buddies in the meadows would be pretty fair game
If they dont see the quetz coming soon enough that is
covert birch
Yea but that applies to anything that is practically immortal in specific place
I doubt quetz would go into a dense jungle since flying into trees n such = death
paper oriole
Yea theyd have to catch him flying out in the open or chilling somewhere
What ever predators ptera has tupan would have too, hope we get some arboreals
covert birch
Arboreals would be great, somethin like zhen, deinonychus
paper oriole
pls add zhenyuanlong dondi
covert birch
Herra if they kept the old concepts
honest sparrow
maybe have ptera be apble to snipe tupans out of the sky
paper oriole
Herra has an iguana look going on with the dewlap it makes me hopeful
covert birch
i do want an all terrain herra
Especially since iguanas practically are all terrain
paper oriole
Herrera all terrain, zhenyuanlong arboreal ambush glider (or deinonychus but zhen is totally cooler because reasons)
covert birch
Ide prefer gliding specific zhen with wheat's deinonychus outline
paper oriole
Zhen would glide better than an adult deinon i think
It could ambush small dinos from above to try and deliver a swift kill, but be very fragile in a fight
Kinda skill based
covert birch
Like the whole difference between zhen and deinonychus would be
Zhen would actually be able to glde and aim glides for methods of hunting
Deinonychus would be like a leopard and jump down from trees to ambush stuff right under it. while having the whole wing boosting thing wheat said
Then stuff like hypsi can be an arboreal herbi, possibly oro
Tupan omni
And maybe juvi titanoboas and megalanias can climb trees like their modern day counterparts
honest sparrow
^
covert birch
Austro can be like a kingfisher and climb mangroves and dive off to eat fish
honest sparrow
^^
left nacelle
@fervent atlas Uhhh... the game already shows your speed on the character screen
fervent atlas
no, it shows your top speed
not your current, growthwise
a fresh adult galli is not the same speed as a full adult galli
covert birch
iirc thats just a bug thats gonna be fixed
paper oriole
Cool new fruit plants > old bushes
covert birch
@zenith onyx you wont be eating from boring untextured bushes anymore
Youll be eating a variety of plants (depending on what animal ya are)
paper oriole
Would much rather see neat tropical plants like jackfruit, durian, ackee, etc than the old buff bushes personally
covert birch
well prolly have both fancy fruit and regular bushes
paper oriole
@acoustic spruce you gotta give them reason to spend 7k making, animating and fitting sounds to an animal. Against the rules to make “add this cus it's cool” suggestions, need to give it a niche
wise warren
@acoustic spruce
valid zephyr
That apato is hideous.
left nacelle
@errant jungle Pteranodon fits that description perfectly. Not too big and can nest on cliffs. And pteranodon is already being added
ebon tiger
@acoustic spruce i don't think that's an Apatosaurus. the neck and back looks more like Brontosaurus (shorter thicker neck, and more curved back)
errant jungle
left nacelle
@fiery edge That idea wouldn't work because then servers would always be full of apexes. A better way to do things is to naturally limit the amount of apexes. Put things in place that prevent so many apexes from being able to survive. Which is already being done
Plus sandbox isn't a main gamemode
still temple
ebon tiger
it might be supposed to be, but it doesn't look like one
left nacelle
@weary spire Once EVRIMA comes out, it'll be impossible to turn off alt turn. Ya gotta learn to deal with it and adapt to it https://www.twitch.tv/thedondi/clip/FriendlyFastWrenRuleFive?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time
Plus combat will be improved
sonic cloud
Don’t attack things bigger than yourself without a pack and there tends to not actually be a problem
left nacelle
☝️That too
pulsar lake
@stoic merlin, that's the fourth call
And with new "quieter calls", we're going to have a "danger" call that's a smaller 4 call
pulsar lake
It's both
stoic merlin
Ok
stoic merlin
👍
pulsar lake
That's not the 4 call but "quieter"
left nacelle
@tender latch That could lead to lootbox stuff and I don't think anyone wants that
random imp
shits like Primal carnage are the worst
where people spend tons of money on skins and simila and the ones who can't get harassed or isolated
i've seen it happen with my own eyes👀
indigo sun
@keen socket already being worked on.
keen socket
oh okay thats cool to hear
wise warren
honest sparrow
bois we got another person who's asking for etas
icy lion
brick! brick! brick! brick!
honest sparrow
@cobalt mica please explain yourself
covert birch
Rule 9 is literally dont ask for etas
and while i get that people are impatient n such
Still a rule everyones gotta follow
cobalt mica
just a suggestion dont have to follow but in my opinion people love release dates hence its just a marketing suggestion
indigo sun
Hey i got a screenshot for this jold on!!
honest sparrow
is it the one nines?!?!
icy lion
love when no-icons come in and blatantly show they havent read a single thing in the discord
indigo sun
cobalt mica
i have had this account for 10 years just never put an icon
indigo sun
They don't give dates for a reason, bud.
icy lion
still obviously havent read anything in the discord
honest sparrow
discord hasn't even been around for 10 years 
cobalt mica
again wasnt trying to force anything just a suggestion
sonic cloud
A lot of people say that when they make a terrible suggestion tbh
cobalt mica
how do i check my account made date
indigo sun
Still against the rules to ask/suggest for them to give out an eta
cobalt mica
and again whats the point of suggestions if your going to shame people for making them
indigo sun
We're telling you that its literally against the rules to ask them to give etas
honest sparrow
it's a suggestion, yes, but then again release dates/etas don't bode well in this community showing you haven't even read the rules and don't give the devs the credit
cobalt mica
oh i give them credit they have released a lot of art work recently and animations but people don
dont care for that from what i heard
witch is why i was trying to help
icy lion
cool motive, still rulebreak
cobalt mica
im not trying to be an ass was honastly trying to help
indigo sun
They know what they're doing. They said a million bajillion times over they dont want to give etas. Its in the rules not to ask for em.
honest sparrow
people DO care, that's why people get super hyped for evrima, I give you credit for what you're trying to do, still against the rules
cobalt mica
would they be mad if i asked them to update the youtube account with new stuff last update was 3 months ago
honest sparrow
possibly, it's still asking for updates, #phase-two-archive is where it's at
indigo sun
They will release stuff when they release stuff.
Have patience
If theres nothing to show then they have nothing to put on the channel
Check out Adam's channel if you want stuff so badly
cobalt mica
hmmm ok think i have an idea that is not a rule break its just dino related
honest sparrow
or @fast flume if you want some quality new updates
cobalt mica
and i was thinking like and artwork related update on youtube
honest sparrow
subscirbe that is
indigo sun
Theyre not gonna put anything up if theyve got nothing to show. And theyve shown all the artwork and multiple people have shown it off to other people
honest sparrow
gotta plug rav at least once a day
icy lion
#phase-two-archive has updates
cobalt mica
ok new suggestion what do you guys think
cobalt mica
thought was only uta sorry what about t rex picking stuff up
honest sparrow
coming in evrima
cobalt mica
nice
honest sparrow
when it's a dead body that is
indigo sun
Just like... take a few hours and watch all of ravenous' videos
cobalt mica
ravenous got it
honest sparrow
all of them, as in the 90 phase 2 videos
cobalt mica
i will watch it been trying to find an update for a long time this is like candy to me
honest sparrow
all of rav's content is
honest sparrow
aight, this is changing into #401464048610312195 we gotta get out before the mods hunt us down
cobalt mica
kk
left nacelle
@split snow That idea sounds neat, but I feel like it could be abused
covert birch
I can see carnis just using this to farm ai
left nacelle
Yeah, that's what I was thinking
Would be really cool to just stumble upon a nest velo or something tho
split snow
outer nebula
@barren zephyr if they do it be not as floppy as that animations because that isnt realistic
zenith onyx
@cobalt mica The AI velo is a velociraptor.
covert birch
@untold bane thats already gonna be happening in the recode
untold bane
@covert birch actually damn hows it gonna work? Have they released anything else on it?
covert birch
nothing else other than males are needed
torn thistle
@livid sage None of that, thanks
livid sage
okay sorry, but seriously though, why don't dinos have them?
honest sparrow
to stop people from being innapropriat and because they're genetically engineered
livid sage
true dat
barren zephyr
@outer nebula true, they’d haft to make it smoother if so
woeful knot
Anyone know how hard it would be for the devs to make it so you could change where AI spawns from? For example instead of them using AI spawns around players, using the player spawns instead?
left nacelle
@woeful knot I don't think that would be hard at all. But that example you gave isn't a very good idea. It would encourage people to hang around spawnpoints. And setting AI spawnpoints would create hotspots where players would just hang around and farm the AI
left nacelle
@potent ruin Troll/joke suggestions can get you kicked
potent ruin
Oh ok I thought cause the one above mine was also
left nacelle
Well that was related to a suggestion they had before soooo idk
Their original suggestion has a surprising amount of support
high adder
Wondering what u guys would think of lunar cycles in the game that affect the NV of dinosaurs. For example cheetahs in the Savannah only hunt at night if it's a full moon because that gives them ability to see better. In the isle it would just make night vision worse during new moons and better for every dino during full moons, I think itd be interesting to see how players would adapt to the cycles and what dinos would gain adv/disadvantages and when.
vestal rune
@lone kite humans 
left nacelle
lapis silo
tfw ur serious about ur ideas but u get told they're not
left nacelle
@lapis silo I think the drawing of the para thing is what made it look like a joke
lapis silo
I'm about to start taking art lessons then
left nacelle
I saw your original suggestion, but tbh the drawing made it look like a joke
I think the drawing was kinda unnecessary because you got your point across with the first post
lapis silo
Oh, that's true.
left nacelle
Still an interesting suggestion tho. I never thought about any of the creatures having projectiles
lapis silo
Honestly I was reading about the other strains (Not suren if they're still gonna be added to the final game), and I thought that herbis being able to defend themselves in some wacky way would be interesting
left nacelle
I actually don't think Herbivores are getting strains. But a lot of people seem to think it would be interesting
I don't think Hyper herbis would work tho. Cause the whole thing with Hypers is that they're constantly hungry, but a Hyper herbi would just be constantly eating plants
vestal rune
hyper herbi is just pue
left nacelle
When Hypers were playable, Pue was able to take on Hyper rexes which was crazy lol
lapis silo
That's wild
woeful knot
@left nacelle making the spawn points hot spots is exactly what I had in mind. Increasing player interaction and encouraging groups of players to try and hold down a territory.
left nacelle
@woeful knot But then the parts of the maps that aren't hotspots are empty. That's one of the problems the game has now and has had for a long time. Plus having hotspots is unrealistic and would ruin the ecosystem
austere spruce
hotspots are fine if they're very brief and not constantly filled. folk need to be moving/migrating pretty consistently to fill up the barren parts of the map
a picture of dysfunction is going to a spot and just sitting there surrounded by other dinos for hours, when AI screams all over. the only threat of dying has nothing to do with survival - people dont really need your body to eat. the only threat is folk just wanting to kill stuff for fun. kinda ruins the immersion
meager stratus
I'm not sure if I understand what you mean when you said "kinda ruins the immersion". Are you referring to people killing stuff for fun? Or everybody sitting around in specific spots waiting for ai to spawn?
peak wedge
@barren zephyr already been a no because the lag of having to load each individual thing for every possible scar or lost tooth
vestal rune
@pale cypress dondi said something about that
pale cypress
He talked more about grabbing from what I remember, but I still really want that Indominus style takedown(Because idk, I rex kinda looks similar to spino if you ask me)
vestal rune
nah he literally said spino may be able to flip over an anky
pale cypress
Really?! Awesome!
@ashen elm Now I've read most of your stuff, it looks awesome! However, there may be one problem with it. Thats a whole lot of mechanics and animations.
ashen elm
@pale cypress Thank you! And yea, I know, I wouldn't really expect them to all get in, it's more of a "pick whatever works best" type of deal.
Of the one's proposed I think rearing is probably the most intensive of the mechanics, so I'm not sure how viable that one is. Alternatively it could just simplified into an altered existing animation for stomp ie hold down stomp button to rear for x seconds type of deal.
But yea, thank for taking the time to look through it! I know it's a lot of TLDR lol.
noble pine
@pale cypress Iirc a dev already said spino can flip and rip open an anky
sleek valley
how does an anky player counter this ?
covert birch
PRolly via not letting the spino walk up to you
And actually bonebreaking it
@sterile meteor they confirmed in recode that there will be systems stopping apex overpop
They didnt say how yet other that afk growing wont be a thing anymore (which is part of the problem)
sleek valley
ankly not exactly a fast animal
sterile meteor
ah alrighty, cool
covert birch
Doesnt need to be fast chan
Hold your ground, face your tail to the spino, and swing when it comes near
sleek valley
the spino would probably take a few hit continue walking close and then flipping the anky which then completely useless and then a dead anky
covert birch
Any hit the spino takes will break either its legs, arms, or face
Which means it cant flip the anky over
Cuz spino with broken leg -> moves slower than anky
Spino with broken arm -> cant flip over anky
Spino with broken jaw -> cant bite anky
sleek valley
currently the ankylosaurus does not have the ability to break legs
covert birch
Currently both the anky and spino are nonsurvival animals
When they are turning into survival they will
sleek valley
it's very specific mechanic for creature that wouldn't need to be hunting anky
covert birch
Spino is gonna be using its arms for a lot of stuff
Like another thing dondi said was grabbing dibble by the head and twisting it
or slapping apex that comes near you so they cant bite ya
also holding deino mouth shut iirc
peak wedge
Rip deino whose mouth got shut
sleek valley
bit op just because it can use it hands what next the spino being able to hold a machine gun ? grappling is fine but the that other stuff a bit much for a creature like spino
torn thistle
peak wedge
Anky has a tail, dibble should run if a spino gets close but also it has horns and is smaller so maybe could run under it depending on how trample works, and deino has a mouth and would throw a fit if its mouth got shut
pale cypress
@ashen elm It is certainly a very well researched and thought provoking suggestion. I would really hop to see it ingame.
sleek valley
but the anky got a lot of work to do ,
the anky so no chance break those arms or jaw yes the leg are there to be hit but by the time the tail is within range the spino is also within range for it's arms , that ability make spinos life very easy,
slow stream
the combat shits are going to be changed after evrima or recode so anky is likely going to go from a "bAD anImAl" to a good one
pale cypress
@sterile meteor Thats called a Dilophosaurus
sterile meteor
not when the servers are almost empty
pale cypress
?
peak wedge
I think they thought you meant a player dilo or maybe you did
wise warren
@pulsar lake do you mean #401481402782056460 or...?
meager stratus
I think Levi is suggesting a "feedback-discussion" channel like how we have this "suggestion-discussion"
wise warren
Giga has 1 bad matchup, and thats with rex.
Every other dino in the game it steamrolls.
It doesnt need a buff.
fathom canopy
then rex needs a nerf
too something that doesn't make it immensely better than giga
cyan flame
Well the giga is better in general, only really bad vs rex specifically, and well, the rex is the brawler, I don't think a giga is supposed to win that duel very easily
covert birch
Giga has only a singular bad matchup which is against rex (which it still can win in some cases)
Otherwise giga with its trot can kill the rest of the roster with efficiency much better than rex via just walkin people across the map
patent spade
1 bad matchup out of the entire roster does not warrant buffing or nerfing a dino, especially when said dino can already wipe the roster easily enough in its current state
fathom canopy
So basically your all high
Rex destroys the rest of the surv dinos in a 1v1
and its fast
patent spade
rex has limited stam, if a rex is close enough to run you down then thats on you for getting too close or not noticing it
civic carbon
giga destroys the roster.
its what we called "overtuned stats", where giga literally only needs 3 bites to kill both a trike and rex
so sad that giga has one bad matchup that you can easily avoid by paying attention and walking away when you see a larger apex carnivore walking towards you.
:(
honest sparrow
https://youtu.be/Eboi8mGNF6o?t=7 @arctic forge kinda like this?
rare bramble
honest sparrow
@pulsar marlin iirc they may be adding in a system where creatures spawn in their preferred habitat, making it much easier for carni packs and same species herbis, although it is still under considiration
paper oriole
lol another buff giga/nerf rex suggestion, giga is good as fuck at hunting basically any mid tier and demolishes trike and CAN beat rex in some rights
rex isnt even OP there's just too many people playing it
giga also solos camara with ease, it doesn't need a buff
tropic ingot
Someone asking about adding Annihilation style aesthetics to the game. As long as that freaky ass bear doesn't show up, go for it.
lilac swallow
That movie was fucking weird
left nacelle
@tropic ingot Dondi actually mentioned that too, and he specifically brought up the bear
safe galleon
That spoon run animation looks goofy and stupid imo
grizzled acorn
Sorry to interrupt you guys but does anyone else feel disappointed that the utah's wrists are being broken :/
safe galleon
#401464048610312195 probably
grizzled acorn
alrighty! thanks have fun
dry cradle
@quick cobalt you can turn in place
quick cobalt
How so ? 😮
safe galleon
@quick cobalt @barren zephyr talk in here
barren zephyr
sry
anyway yeah those clips i sent i think they would look terrifying for the spino obviosuly roaring when showing its size and height along with that sprinting movement that be scary even if it had spikes on the head and tail
random imp
nah that spino sprint does look dumb as fuck
tall silo
Nice
pale cypress
@barren zephyr It's just they already have a better looking spino...
covert birch
@neat beacon dondi mnetioned server issues of permanent scarring with dinos
saying that generating a shitton of scars among a shitton of players would cause lag or somethin iirc
neat beacon
oh sorry
barren zephyr
@pale cypress what i mean is, that the roar threat with that animation would make the new one more terrifying
pale cypress
Ehh... Monster resurrected was pretty inaccurate. That run animation isn't very good looking.
ebon tiger
@snow trout nice idea, but that's not how crocodilian eggs work.
in crocodilians, they don't sit on the nests. they bury their eggs in sand or rotting plant matter, and they adjust the temperature in the nest by digging out material (if the nest is too warm), or adding on more material (if the nest is too cold)
left nacelle
Well deino will probably be sitting on nests in game, cause that's how they work in game. So if they still work that way after EVRIMA, then i think their suggestion could work @ebon tiger
ebon tiger
assuming the nesting system works anything like it does now
left nacelle
Yeah that's why I said if they still work the same way
ebon tiger
tbh, even most dinosaurs couldn't sit on their nests either, irl
but yes, we'll have to see how things change with nesting
left nacelle
Really? How come?
ebon tiger
too big
smaller species could do so, but larger animals like hadrosaurs, tyrannosaurs, etc. could not without risking destruction of the eggs
left nacelle
They eggs could've had a real thick shell tho, like ostriches
ebon tiger
sauropods appear to have just buried their eggs and buggered off and left the offspring to their fates
there's still a limit to how much weight those eggs could take, and if the shells were too thick, the offspring would die inside it
left nacelle
True. That's interesting
This is starting to turn into #paleotalk, but does that mean bigger dinosaurs might've nested like modern crocs? Making a nest, leaving, then coming back when they hatch?
ebon tiger
eggshells are very precise thicknesses, to allow for air and moisture transfer, and later, hatching, all whilst still being strong enough to protect the unborn young
well, crocs don't abandon their nests much, and we have evidence of some dinosaurs remaining around the nests during incubation and actively maintaining them
Maiasaura is a great example of this, with more information known about their nesting than any other species
left nacelle
Interesting. Thanks for the info!
snow trout
thank you! @ebon tiger
valid elk
Anyone wanna discuss my suggestion?
fleet cypress
I love the idea, but apart from being a cinematic thing to see, there aren't any uses I can think of.
lime drum
Im pretty sure geysers are already gonna be a thing
paper oriole
As realistic as the weight based eating suggestion might be, wouldn't it also promote AFKing, which is already a big issue?
I think AFK growing should cause health problems and an over all weaker final product, you may not need to eat as much but your muscles and reflexes would have developed poorly as well
On top of the longer grow time from being a slug
subtle marsh
Geysers are already a thing, there's a little pond area that has a few of them.
As far as my suggestion for weight based food/hunger and AFK growing, they're separate issues. You can already basically AFK grow for the most part, even as an apex. Hunger doesn't become a constant issue until you're an adult and then the game is basically "wander around and look for food the entire time I'm online." There should be incentives for moving that make people want to play the game, not login and sit somewhere until they are fully grown. More/better AI would help, maybe predatory AI that is bigger than the velociraptors that force a player to move or fight for their territory. The game shouldn't be an eating simulator, it should be a dino simulator. Having a better system in place that handles food and hunger as something more realistically than a hunger stat would add a new level of depth to the game, and would pair well with the upcoming corpse drag feature.
subtle marsh
I mean what more could they add than a thing that shoots hot water or whatever into the air?
indigo sun
Theyre literally just geysers what else do you want
subtle marsh
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what a geyser would be in terms of a video game. There is already a watering hole area that has geysers that shoot jets of water/steam into the air.
indigo sun
A geyser is a little bit of water that occassionally gets so damn hot it shoots up into the air. This dude might be wanting something else
valid elk
Usually they are a cone shape from built up sediments and minerals. Some of the geysers are more...puddles that shoot water.
You get some amazing formations
subtle marsh
So basically just different variations of what we already have? Nothing wrong with that.
left nacelle
@potent ruin There's been a few times where I've thought about that idea, but I never posted it cause i think it could be easily aboused
potent ruin
with skill caps of course
left nacelle
Lets say running makes your stamina improve. People could just run in circles for a while to give them max stamina. Or lets say biting makes you do more damage. People will just stand there and bite the air for a while
But even with a cap, it would still be unfair
anyone who doesn't abuse it would be at a disadvantage
potent ruin
yes the thought was more if you sit in a bush your leg muscles dont build and your slower
left nacelle
Well that sounds good on it's own, but if you give people the ability to improve their stats, then the people who don't intentionally abuse it won't be as strong and will then be at a disadvantage
potent ruin
I gues itll just be regulated by the food you eat then, but bushgrowers should be weaker because of a debuff or something than active players imo
left nacelle
They will be. Afk growing will make your growth times take 2-3x longer
potent ruin
I see you on suggestions alot, did you see my macuahuitl idea? i think its a cool weapon
left nacelle
Yeah I did see it! I actually gave it a 
lol
Would be cool to make it by sticking some rex teeth through a tree branch or something
potent ruin
yeah itd be a good anti- similar weight class weapon
left nacelle
Yeah. Beat a hypsi to death with it lmao
left nacelle
@potent sparrow Tribals will be able to enslave and ride dinosaurs. Everything is subject to change tho
potent sparrow
lol nice
left nacelle
It's not gonna be nice tho. The dinosaur will still have control, but the tribal can hurt them if they disobey
potent sparrow
and the dinosaurs would be players or AI?
cus if they're players i can't see how that would be fun xD
unless being a slave dinosaur is fun?
or the fun in being a slave dinosaur is contemplating your escape
potent sparrow
still fun to talk about :V
random imp
that for sure
left nacelle
The current plan if for tribals to be able to enslave players and AI. But being enslaved won't be fun because tribals are very abusive. They literally beat the animal into submission
potent sparrow
well if it isn't fun for the player why would i tolerate being a slave, rather ask for a slay or start over idk, or just log out
random imp
for a bit of roleplay i guess
potent sparrow
i just can't see it working if it creates a "not fun" atmosphere for the player
if something isn't fun i simply don't play, i'd probably move to a different server
left nacelle
I think it'll have its benefits and drawbacks
For example, the tribals will provide you with food in exchange for your strength
potent sparrow
then make it a team effort rather than enslavement, whats stopping me from ripping their faces off xD
left nacelle
You both benefit, but the dinosaur suffers the risk of being beaten to death and the tribals run of the risk of you escaping from you pen or whatever and mauling them or running away
You're supposed to want to rip their faces off. The thing stopping you is how dangerous they are in groups
left nacelle
It's gonna take a lot of work to enslave an animal
I would assume a tribal with an enslaved rex would rule the island
potent sparrow
also might want to be careful with it to provide a balance, at some point if someone finds a way to become the island ruler, at what cost would it take to get rid of their status and get a chance to get there yourself sort of thing.
same thing with spinos (as a personal opinoin) in today's current Isle, spoon dies only when spoon wants to die. only way to stop it is to gang up on it.
unless the spoon is bad
left nacelle
Well current spino is unbalanced, since it's a sandbox animal
random imp
I would assume a tribal with an enslaved rex would rule the island
@left nacelle i think you won't be able
potent sparrow
just using it as a point
left nacelle
and by Island ruler, I mean they rule over the other tribes, not every animal on the island
random imp
unless you enslave a baby that then grows into an adult
left nacelle
I think you'll be able to enslave a rex, but you'll probably need a lot of tribals and lot of teamwork
random imp
but an adult rex will be hard to maintain calm and not have it destroy everything
left nacelle
Exactly, which is why you'll need so many tribals. To keep an eye on it
potent sparrow
unless you just get a rex player who is tolerant and just does it cus its fun, thus not being a slave anymore and just goes along with it like a team member
left nacelle
Plus rexes won't be able to just smash through everything
left nacelle
I really doubt that
random imp
unless thay are big ass logs
left nacelle
It depends on the thickness and how they're built
potent sparrow
I hope big dinos can bust walls, at least with time, give the humans time to react and stop them
left nacelle
I think I remember Dondi saying that some walls and stuff can keep small creatures out, but big creature can get right through them and vice versa
That might've been applied to merc base repairing tho, can't remember
strange wave
@hoary token wait deinosuchus and trike?
wasn't deinosuchus with alberto not rex and trike
random imp
the stuff you wrote man are litteraly the new grow system. go read the pinned messages in #401464048610312195 in the devlog thingys is all written
left nacelle
@hoary token Afk growing will make you growth times take 2-3x longer, and eating a good diet will make your grow faster
finite elm
Herbi players can eat my shorts
strange wave
oop look who got killed by a herbivore
left nacelle
paper oriole
Group alphas/leaders might be a thing since a possible mechanic was mentioned in a stream that involved a utah pack leader selecting targets for their pack to deal better damage
tropic ingot
Yeah being able to select a target and have increased damage against it might be another ability. A lot of the time I see people trying to pick out stupid choices for hunting and such
paper oriole
It might mean group alphas are currently being considered though, since it is the leader who picks the target. Hopefully if utahs get group alphas other social species will too
valid zephyr
Ah look it's the daily dino mating suggestion.
tropic ingot
I probably should have added to my suggestion that the leadership thing isn't something you can just pass on to someone else (unless you log off). If you get the mantle, you better be prepared to defend it. Obviously could lead to in-game trolling and people killing each other over it but eh.
neat beacon
I imagine if there are ranks, utahs who pounce on other utahs instead of biting them are going to be hated by the community
sonic cloud
Upvoting their own suggestion 
neat beacon
indigo sun
I cant tell if that suggestion is meant to be a joke or if someone really thinks something like that would be anywhere near a good idea.
Comrade's is good though
tropic ingot
Being able to spare my little finger from the shift key would be nice.
cobalt compass
@valid zephyr iirc dondi debunked the whole idea of autowalking and not wanting it in
tropic ingot
Just a toggle for run would be nice though. Holding down the shift key is painful after doing it for ages. Plus sticky keys.
valid zephyr
oof if dondi said no to it. 
would make playing para so much nicer as you get finger ache due to it walking at the pace of a handicapped slug.
covert birch
@turbid sentinel that is what the elder system will be
random imp
nah i despise automatic walking button. its ruins the immersion for my point of view.
covert birch
on a map as large as spero imo it aint too bad of an idea
At least everythin is gettin speed buffs tho
zenith onyx
If your constantly pushing the w button to move it can get boring.
lets just say you use it when you've been playing for a good amount of time and your fingers need a rest. good time to use it.
left nacelle
I've never had any issues of my fingers hurting
zenith onyx
like if your fingers are sweating and htey keep slipping off.
toxic mantle
zenith onyx
yeah. it's just a nice option to have. instead of holding one button the entire time.
cobalt compass
what works for me as an "autowalk", press W and squeeze a fitting coin between W and S or if available take an big sd card(adapter) @valid zephyr
zenith onyx
?
cobalt compass
"?" ?
zenith onyx
not understanding your argument.
left nacelle
@zenith onyx They're saying that you can use a coin to hold down the W key
zenith onyx
yeah....okay.
zenith onyx
never done or seen that before...weird.
left nacelle
Really? I've heard of a lot of people doing stuff like that, not for The Isle tho
cobalt compass
did a great service to me in arma3 wasteland and other walking sims
zenith onyx
hmmm i'll have to try it out one day! lol.
zenith onyx
lmao
covert birch
@barren zephyr dondi said herbis one be grabbing food and moving wiht it b/c they wouldnt need too follow his "migration highways" in the case they could do that
barren zephyr
I mean that they could dash/walk by a bush and grab a bit of food. But not a lot. They would carry it in their mouths as they eat it.
zenith onyx
who put the dondisquint on @untold wharf's suggestion! it's an awesome idea!
covert birch
me
covert birch
It isnt
zenith onyx
why?
zenith onyx
there's no really point to the broadcast other then letting everybody know your there
so what's wrong with a fifth courtship call?
covert birch
1 call to find your own species
if ya need buddy buddy mating call roleplay aspects 2 call
Literally just ask the person in group chat if they wanna nest
ide rather them spend time doing stuff that isnt completed by other systems
zenith onyx
yeah. if your already in a group..
covert birch
if your not in a group
Find one via 1 call
the same way this 5 call would work
Then just ask once ya find this group whether you wanna nest
zenith onyx
it's not a bad idea. Just a different look on nesting. they changed the males role in nesting. besides. the game is supposed to be as realistic as possible. they would have had mating calls.
zenith onyx
really? where's your proof?
covert birch
realism takes a backseat in this game
really? where's your proof?
@zenith onyx utah, rex, spino, magy, diable, anky, etc
Human stuff within a dinosaur place
Hypos, neuros, tissos, etc
zenith onyx
yes. but they got rid of that stuff
covert birch
No they didnt XD
covert birch
Strains will be in recode
zenith onyx
mods
zenith onyx
modifications
covert birch
what does mods which are not dev made have to do with anything
You realize the modifications to the model are less making it realistic and more updating otherwise outdated models/animations right?
zenith onyx
the humans yes i understand that.
and yes
But they are trying to keep it realistic as possible. But it won't be completely correct because we don't have any real dinos to correct these developments
cobalt compass
not really
covert birch
they literally dont care about realism as much as gameplay
cobalt compass
to a certain point, but its no prior to the game... fun/horror survival
zenith onyx
k.
covert birch
cobalt compass
we get "real" estimates in terms of size, somewhat but thats it
zenith onyx
so she said half and half. so realistic as possibly correct.
covert birch
Mating calls dont needed to be added due to them being achieved via other ingame systems, the only arguement really for it is realism
And even then image what the docktahs and other "darker" parts of this community will use mating calls for
cobalt compass
or even imagine matinganimations
zenith onyx
there won't be mating animations...just new nesting mechanics
cobalt compass
not that im prude or childish, but some things dont have the necsessety to belong in here
zenith onyx
but maybe (hopefully) mating calls (5 call).
cobalt compass
wait, drink some tea, play other games, get out...
we'll see what comes
^ thats my list to do
ill happily share it with you if you want
sry im at work, little time for grammar dblcheck
zenith onyx
what?
untold wharf
I can’t find the sense what that guy is trying to say.
You’re being civil and discussing something and he tells you to go drink tea?
zenith onyx
are you talking about outside activities
cobalt compass
maybe
zenith onyx
0.0
cobalt compass
enjoy the sun, enjoy some tea...
zenith onyx
so your telling me to do something else and drop this argument?
untold wharf
Well, I think every call has a purpose. And especially with the new system where you can’t invite people off a player grid, I think a mating call would add an excellent element of immersion to a game that incorporates nesting and survival.
cobalt compass
i dont tell you to do these things, im offering you sone ways to waste the time until evrima
untold wharf
Please ignore him. He has a melon for a hat
covert birch
What
covert birch
The guys just saying ways to spend time while waitin for recode to drop
i dont see issue
untold wharf
It wasn’t well written. Looked to me like he was saying “stop being a cringe and get out of the chat”
zenith onyx
i just miss understood something he said was all.
lets stop this before we cause a bigger argument over something stupid....
covert birch
@bright bane 2 things
When suggesting dinos you cant just say "add this" you need to back it up with stuff like mechanics
also this
zenith onyx
yes.
bright bane
K
untold wharf
And to the people who are arguing a mating call would add to the “darker side of the game” we already have people who abuse a sniff animation to be dirty. Can’t we just be adults and enjoy a realism game for it’s beautiful portrayal of growth and survival?
cobalt compass
^
cobalt compass
rp is fine, on a grouplvl
zenith onyx
lol this had devolved massively...
untold wharf
There will be I global on official. That is a discussion to have with the server owner who enables it.
covert birch
And again
Other systems already complete the goal added via mating chat
While i do play officials nowadays mostly
Still is a pain seeing it when im not
untold wharf
I don’t think you’re entirely seeing what my point is
zenith onyx
fine. But i still think would be a cool idea. EVEN IF wasn't added to the game'
covert birch
Its an interesting idea sure
Not a necessary one tho
zenith onyx
yeah.....sob....
covert birch
Like all the other call suggestions like a 5 call to say "Im scared"
4 call (which is made to be a warning call of a big bad to your group) already is also used as the "im scared" call
cobalt compass
yeah, with the buttons hold we already can get a bit more detail to the calls
untold wharf
@zenith onyx thank you very much for appreciating my suggestion.
left nacelle
I don't really see the point of a mating call. Broadcast can be used for the same thing
indigo sun
You want to find a mate? Use chat and your broadcast/friendly call
sonic cloud
^or just don’t be a weirdo
strange wave
if it gives me another reason to purge hypsilophodon from the face of the island its a good idea
left nacelle
@barren zephyr You aren't allowed to just say "Add this dino" without properly explaining why. Each animal costs $7000+
barren zephyr
It is just an adorable little turtle anky
Regardless, they are going to add more aquatic animals to fully flesh out the ecosystem
left nacelle
True, but ya still gotta give reasoning as to why you want it be added. Especially since creatures with that body shape are hard to animate
ebon tiger
@barren zephyr like Bluebird says, you need to give a proper reason for adding an animal
also, for the record, Liaoningosaurus isn't aquatic
people only thought it was because a dead one sank in a river and a fish got trapped in the corpse, which had people thinking it must've lived in the water and ate fish
left nacelle
@loud canyon https://youtu.be/jt6IBYRYWX4
loud canyon
thanks im still pretty new to the isle
left nacelle
Sub to [Ravenous] on Youtube. He covers literally all the news there is to cover. Watch his Phase 2 videos
loud canyon
ok
barren zephyr
"Nevertheless, more research is clearly still needed before any definite conclusions can be drawn on the behaviour and morphology of Liaoningosaurus. But the evidence supporting a semi aquatic fish eating ankylosaur is quite compelling, and deserves more consideration."
I don't believe you can say it isn't aquatic when it is still being debated
ebon tiger
where'd you read that
barren zephyr
Everywhere else is just saying it is aquatic
This is the first site I find this theory
ebon tiger
...that article claims Liaoningosaurus used its claws to catch fish...
that's a pretty big red flag
barren zephyr
I think it is - that the only place I can find mention of the guy who said that it fell into a lake is this article.
Everywhere else either doesn't say or briefly covers it without giving any sources
I bet you could find something more credible though, this is just a quick search
ebon tiger
why not ask in #paleotalk ? half the guys there have all sorts of papers etc. on paleo stuff
they'd be also far better at breaking down this sort of discussion than i can
barren zephyr
Nevertheless, The Isle isn't concerned with accuracy. If this little fella goes ahead and is put under carnivores specifically fish eating it would add a unique creature to the waters of the game.
random imp
Still the problem remains, you can't write "add this dino cuz is cool/ cute/ badass
left nacelle
There will be other fish eating carnivores tho
random imp
You need to give actual gameplay and niche informations
You have to make the devs want to add that dino and spend several tousands dollars on it
left nacelle
You'll probably have to fight extra hard for this creature too, considering it's body shape makes it hard to animate. Similar to anky
random imp
Also that
left nacelle
@sterile meteor Herbivores do have a crouch. The two legged ones can crouch. The four legged ones would have trouble crouching
left nacelle
It should be tho. The four legged ones would look really awkward crouching
random imp
The dinos that CAN touch already have it. The one that anathomically can't won't recieve it
4 legged beasts can't crouch
Did you ever see a deer crouching? Or a giraffe crouching?
hard pike
@sterile meteor when was the last time you saw a quadrupedal herbivorous animal crouch? cows? horses? elephants? no? thats because its physically impossible for them to do so ....it would require breaking bones....
if all their leg bones are the same length...then they cannot crouch..its pretty much the general rule.
now these creatures can kneel down...and rest their weight on their front knee joints without lowering their hind quarters...but they dont hold this position too long...nor can they walk while doing it....like how zebra do this when guarding their legs while fighting a rival.
sterile meteor
I'm curious to see the science behind that. I can see trikes and anything bigger being unable to crouch at all but I'm skeptical about the rest.
covert birch
@barren zephyr liang wasnt aquatic irl but even if they take the creative liberty routes minmi would prolly be doing something similar
Since minmi "lives in the same neighborhood" as aquatics and is about the same size iirc
random imp
What is the rest you are reffering to?
Paras? Maias?
They still won't be' able to crouch
left nacelle
What would quadrupedal herbivore need to crouch for anyway? All of them have a way to escape predators so the crouch would probably go unused
hard pike
i would say it depends on how their joints move...and how much weight they are holding up...a very small creature with legs that move in a manner similar to say a dog....might be able to....but most creatures with joints like a horse probably cannot i would say...
random imp
Hell, even an Ava could not crouch. Is not a matter of size, is a matter of anatomy
sterile meteor
How focused is this game on realism?
hard pike
more so than path of titans i would say lol
covert birch
Animation wise it wouldnt work due to stubby legs
random imp
Enough to not have quadrupedal animale to crouch
left nacelle
@sterile meteor Realistic enough that the creatures make sense
hard pike
path of titans has to break leg bones to make its
hadrosaur crouch.
random imp
Bleah, take PoT outta here, we r decent persons
left nacelle
The hypos are different. They're supposed to be movie monsters
hard pike
haha
left nacelle
They're intended to be insane
random imp
Hypos are supposed to be fantascientific horrors
hard pike
this is about as close to a crouch as these guys get..and its only on their way to sitting or standing back up lol
sterile meteor
I see your point, but the joints on a maia's front legs are different, how much of a difference would that make?
hard pike
hmm..
maia, does have different joints..its hind legs are very thick and heavy..its tail is a huge counterweight...i would almost think it could hold a crouch..but not for very long (to be honest the idea of any of these mid to large tier dinosaurs crouching is a bit unrealistic..even though an allo has the joints to allow for it...the sheer weight of its own body would put massive strain on the veins in its leg joints...most would not hold the position for very long at all)
sterile meteor
I was thinking that a T Rex going into such a low crouch seems a bit ridiculous but didn't want to turn this into a "well but xyz does 123" conversation, but yeah
some things in this game seem a bit silly
hard pike
this is just my thoughts on the matter...im no expert...but it seems logical to me anyways.
lol
but yes a rex crouching the way it used to would burst the vessels in its legs
ahaha hence why it no longer crouches like that
have you seen the new "crouch" for rex and spino?
much better i would say..
hard pike
😉
sterile meteor
thank you, yes that looks much better
hard pike
feel free to make your suggestion more specific to certain herbivore species for whom it might be possible for the crouch to be given..like mayyyyybe maia..or mayyybe tenonto.....maybe. but for things like para, shant, trike, stego...etc...i really dont see it happening. 🙂
sterile meteor
pue crouch when??????
covert birch
@zenith onyx dimetrodon would be destroyed by all other aquatic animals except austro
and the sail would stop it crom actually having any proper camouflaged so it cant really hunt water wise
hard pike
would be a cool ai though....and if it was venomous or something it might stand some sort of chance....maybe?
covert birch
Its aint that large either
Nor is it a mammal
its a synapsid iirc
and jedi imo giving anythign too small to survive/do well in an enviorment venom isnt a good form of choosing stuff
zenith onyx
ikr. so it uses its sail as a lure. Cuddle fish hypnotize their prey, and the prey come closer. But there would have a break up. if the player stoped messed up the lure the prey would escape.
covert birch
Personally another quadrapedal carnivore like megalania or prestosuchus would be better
So your saying mechanically an animal would hypnotize other players?
zenith onyx
maybe. but more for Ai then players.
it might just make your screen a little blurry or something if they use it on a player.
zenith onyx
And it could be much faster then the other aquatic dinos in water. so it could get away.
covert birch
Plus dimetrodon was a land animal irl but "creative liberties"
zenith onyx
dilos abuse their nightvision.
covert birch
Current game doesnt matter
zenith onyx
it just would be tuned down a bit.
pale cypress
@zenith onyx as cool as dimetrodon is, it cannot contend with any iteration of the spinosaurus...
honest sparrow
what he said
covert birch
this too
zenith onyx
didn't say it had to fight it just be annoying to it.
covert birch
the devs have shown they want less griefing
pale cypress
"It could be a major enemy of the sucho and spino in water. Alonge with the Deinosuchus and other aquatic predators."
honest sparrow
It could be a major enemy of the sucho and spino in water. hmmmm
zenith onyx
im gonna fix taht
covert birch
Being annoying to them via flashing their "hypnotic sail" is very griefable kai
Guys guys hes saying he should use the sail like cuddlefish use hypnotism on fish
honest sparrow
tf
covert birch
And saying it would hypnotise ai and blur player vision
pale cypress
As awesome as I think your idea is, the og sailback just doesn't fit properly into a niche as far as I can tell
honest sparrow
you do realise it's partially becuase of crab's vision and brain stimuli too right?
pale cypress
He just can't contend with other water dwellers\
covert birch
He aint even a water dweller irl too
But again "creative liberties"
pale cypress
Fair point
honest sparrow
even austro could go full doom guy rip and tear on dimetro
zenith onyx
yeah. but the hypnotizing would work only really on AI.
lime drum
correct me if im wrong but dimetrodon aint..a mammal?
covert birch
and if anything should have cuddlefish stuff
Tuso
@lime drum its a synapsid
already went over that too
zenith onyx
And to make for that. it might have a good bleed like the dilo to stop players from constantly attacking them.
covert birch
Dilo bleed doesnt stop people from attacking them
Nor would dimetrodon do any bleed to stuff due to locational damage
zenith onyx
yeah. it would be the same for this guy
covert birch
Its too small to get a hit where bleed would properly work via locational
honest sparrow
eh....
zenith onyx
leg biter.
covert birch
Biting the legs doesnt make you bleed insanely in recode anymore
honest sparrow
stomp on it
zenith onyx
ik
covert birch
Also anything larger than utah can trample the poor fucker
pale cypress
If you can find another similar predator but with larger proportions, then yeah, totally
covert birch
Like if you want your psuedo mid tier who does big hits via ankle bites
MEgalania would be your guy
Wouldnt be aquatic but like varanids he would good in water
zenith onyx
And it doesn't have to nesacarily have to bite. maybe it could slam it'self into things bigger then it.
honest sparrow
mega has a far better chance anywau
pale cypress
True, but Mega is going to appear in POT and I do want to see the fanbases stop going after POT...
honest sparrow
dondi likes it enough to where it might go in
covert birch
50% chance of making it anyway accordin to kissen so 🤷♂️
honest sparrow
half and half ain't bad
pale cypress
Yeah, but every time POT adds a new dino I see plenty of people going "oMG tHEy RiPpEd oFF thE isLEs dInoS"
Just a preference though
No hard fellings
covert birch
Eh It happens with any game
zenith onyx
But i still think the Demitrodon could still work as possible future creature in the game. If it was deemed viable for the game.
honest sparrow
because it's a prehistoric reptile with close ties to dinosaurs?
zenith onyx
yes.
honest sparrow
lot's of those out there
zenith onyx
yes.
honest sparrow
I don't see dimetro coming anytime relatively soon
zenith onyx
just an idea...
covert birch
" If it was deemed viable for the game."
It isnt
Unless ecological barring happens
which it wont
zenith onyx
have they deemed it viable? no they haven't. so you don't know for sure.
honest sparrow
covert birch
Im saying it wouldnt be viable without having some insane mechanic combined with it
pale cypress
That's the problem with having badass giant dinos, it becomes way harder to put in super awesome animals like gorgonopsids
They become less viable
pale cypress
Too small
zenith onyx
like the rex have the insane leg break so everything doesn't run away?
pale cypress
I meant the gorgo
honest sparrow
I KNEW IT I KNEW YOU WOULD BRING UP PRESTO
covert birch
Ofc ide bring up presto
also graeme gorgos can work but they would basically be a quad utah
pale cypress
Still, difficult to put in without being repetitive
covert birch
basically a small tier hunter who jumps on other shit and pins em down and uses X sharp long thing n kills em
honest sparrow
rex has leg break because it has a powerful bite that could crush bone iirc
covert birch
Yes that is an issue
like the rex have the insane leg break so everything doesn't run away?
@zenith onyx rex could break bones irl
zenith onyx
it can break bones
zenith onyx
But either way it's just an idea.
covert birch
Yes its an idea
Im saying the idea itself wouldnt work in execution due to many issues dimetrodon and other synapsids would have
honest sparrow
^
covert birch
like ide love to see synapsids work
I just dont see how
zenith onyx
same for some other crocs as well. every creature has its problems if any of them were added to the game
pale cypress
Thats the thing, small bois work beacuse they fill their own niches. Dimetredon can't make his own niche
honest sparrow
not iggy 
covert birch
not every creature
Multiple creatures can fit quite well without developing issues
zenith onyx
that's why he'd be small like the crocs
covert birch
But "the crocs" arent small
zenith onyx
Presto is
covert birch
Presto is much larger
honest sparrow
but crocs stay at the water's edge and wait for prey in the water to pounce and bring them down via powerful jaws and death roll
zenith onyx
just a bit bigger then the crocs we have today?
zenith onyx
ik
honest sparrow
I like land crocs more than aquatic ones
zenith onyx
doesn't rex weigh 8 tons or is it 5? im not sure
pale cypress
Kai, while your idea is really cool, he just can't work out as far as we can see.
covert birch
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423939730544132096/698013329171546193/lRggAAAABJRU5ErkJggg.png
https://i.redd.it/aj8rst3r99m21.png
Kai, while your idea is really cool, he just can't work out as far as we can see.
^
honest sparrow
^
covert birch
and rex is 8
zenith onyx
so if it's five tons then it could take on most things then right and still be an okay mammal/reptile?
covert birch
what
honest sparrow
. 5
covert birch
Dimetrodon is .5
honest sparrow
there's a period there
covert birch
1/2 a ton
honest sparrow
it's okay
hot flicker
Theres a nice small buddle of water near cargo, can a Dev make it drinkable? I wana stay close to this place once this smal pool is made drinkable. Its close to food, lots of fijts, the beach, to cargo, the gulf, and that view
Look at that view again, make this pool drinkable and you’ll see a lot of Dino’s flock to this place
digital coral
bro that's the ocean
hot flicker
Yes, but I’m talking about the budle of water that I’m requesting to make drinkable
random imp
wtf
first of all, V3 map won't be a thing in Evrima
second actually suggest stuff that matter, nobody cares about a tiny water glitch in a map that won't exist in a few weeks/months
paper oriole
They should make the salt water drinkable for natural selection
hot flicker
Calm your yourself down, no need to stress about the drinkable pool topic. Just a suggestion...no ima go hunt something to eat
At least I’m famous now that my pic (white Rex posing sexily) is up for all to see ❤️
paper oriole
That rex looks like a bird ate a chalk stick and pooped it out my dude
sonic cloud
Trust me no one cares about you
left nacelle
You guys know he didn't mean the salt water, right? He meant the teeny tiny little pool of water next to him
hot flicker
BlueBird you’re the only smart one from these kids
paper oriole
That puddle is probably counted as the same as the sea water
It is just off the beach, probably not there on purpose
hot flicker
There’s a small puddle at port that’s in a box that’s drinkable. This should be too
paper oriole
Beaides, there is an actual pind near cargo anyway
hot flicker
I just love this puddle close to everything
paper oriole
They are 99.99999999999% unlikely to take the effort to make that change on a map and version of the game that is going to be binned in the near future
left nacelle
Fyi, I don't think it was a good suggestion lol
hot flicker
You’re prolly right
left nacelle
The new map is better than V3 in pretty much every way imo soooo no point in nitpicking with V3
random imp
That puddle of water isn't intentional. Is just the sea water mesh that glitched into the ground. And yhea, nobody cares about your screenshot, sorry.
hot flicker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbyCUdzR87Y&feature=share
Theres this cool sound at 1:58 that i want to add to the isle animal. Check it out
random imp
Do not post here suggestion
Post them in #general-feedback
This channel is for discussing
zenith onyx
you can post things in here. just has to be an image or a video
left nacelle
@zenith onyx Dimetrodon was a carnivore...
random imp
still i see nothing unique about dimetrodon
is just another scavenger
nothing different from what we will have
it just have a different body shape that meakes it interesting
if you wanna have the devs even start thinking about it, bring up a viable unique mechanic
or a niche it'd cover
random imp
if its gonna be like cerato what is the point of having dimetrodon then?
that was basically the only thing you shouldn't have wrote
random imp
'cuz is a waste of money implementing it
it won't add anything unique to gameplay
we do not need quadrupedal cerato
unless you come up with a second unique gameplay for dimetrodon
left nacelle
@zenith onyx If it can only hypnotize AI, then that kinda ruins the immersion. Plus that ability would be useless since it's as fast as a diablo, as you've said
zenith onyx
THey had to sit in the sun to get most of their energy. it would be that fast to escape predators, not to hunt AI.
that's what that sail is for. to collect sunlight.
left nacelle
But if it's that fast, it doesn't need the ability. It doesn't matter what the ability's meant to do, because players will use it differently if they're able to
zenith onyx
okay? but It can still be used for that purpose if the player deemed to use it.
covert birch
The ability to daze people is bad simply b/c you can use it to troll people
zenith onyx
the dilo trolls people at night.
covert birch
No they dont
zenith onyx
yes.
covert birch
killing people at night isnt trolling