#general-feedback-discussion
covert birch
there are some stuff weve been told in #phase-two-archive and #401464048610312195 also
languid arrow
wow great thank you
do you happen to now what engine the game is currently running on?
also I dont think the drinfiting mechanic is smart at all
cause it can cause all types of issues and really defeats the actual dinosaur combat
bite for the legs or get snapped by the neck
covert birch
Anyways imma go down ya suggestion say what i think of it
1: Speeds overall are increasing, Large portions of stamina isnt gonna be removed due to how important it is post recode
2: Herbis should have a mix of more/less stamina and more/less speed depending on the animals, So like a galli can outrun utah for example but cant outrun carno
3: Growth overall is changing as shown with what devs have stated
4: Overall imo large nightvision should be kept with nocturnal animals, while also making more animals nocturnal (such as dryo)
5: With how important stamina is and the fact ambushing drains more stamina you wont be wanting to ambush when doing things outside of hunting. Ambush spam is also being removed iirc (repeatedly getting ambush speed boost in short periods of time)
6: Things wont be able to mass murder with importance of stam cuz lets say for example a utah pack encounters 3-4 maias they wont have the stamina to take out more then 1 or 2 by the time those things are dead
7: Sensible speed limits of dinosaurs are out the window. Utah speed is now animated at 70kph
how does drifting cause issues?
languid arrow
well
I used to be a bit of a dinosaur nerd back in the day
and used to watch all these documentaries right
and they always had the same thing in common
the predators would circle the group
and go for the flanks (for trikes) and the head in stegos
avioding the head as much as possible
now because of the high speeds they couldnt turn all that fast
meaning that it was essential
to get a good angle
as a group
to get a kill
and since the predators could only keep up for a little while
languid arrow
and were a little faster
yeah but you see
we shouldnt have an alt turn
you can use the engine
right?
languid arrow
to make inertia more important
covert birch
And is realistic too
languid arrow
and make sure
yes yes
but it would make sense
to be able to turn at low speeds right?
in alt turn
languid arrow
making dinosaurs harder to handle at high speeds
and easy to handle at low speeds
like a car
meaning a trex
covert birch
Dinosaurs dont move like cars in real life tho
languid arrow
can certainly not drifit at topp speed
covert birch
Hell trex for example irl was quite aerobatic
languid arrow
no but you get the idea
covert birch
Oh your talkin bout like tripping n stuff
Iirc that was mentioned in a later stream
languid arrow
no I mean inertia
I dont think dinosaurs shoul trip at all
I mean they are not retarded
I can walk right>
why wouldnt they>
?
languid arrow
let me see if I can find a video
okay so
im going to go with this
its old so exuse the cgi
but I think this kind of gets my point across a tiny bit
covert birch
What part of the video exactly?
covert birch
And how exactly does drifting stop that
covert birch
You realize larger dinos cant drift as well as lets say a utah right
lemme find the video with trike doing it
languid arrow
allright
I mean the dinosaurs could be more chunky
but maybe your vid solves the issue
icy lion
pretty sure trike slide-turn/drift was shown on stream, if that helps narrow the search
covert birch
Better video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXFQogCtwxo
Look at how fast utah slides/drifts compared to trike
icy lion
im pretty sure the speed and distance can be tweaked relatively easy as well, in case they need to make balance changes post release
covert birch
What exactly is the issue
languid arrow
dinosaurs could never turn like that
covert birch
So?
languid arrow
out of the question
icy lion
we sure about that tho?
covert birch
Dilos didnt have venom irl
covert birch
Realism in this game takes a backseat
covert birch
@raven wraith pachyrhino is confirmed for distant future
languid arrow
the devs have taken a different way
I respect that
but its not what I would have done
I get the drift right
wait I got it
icy lion
nonrealistic could be subjective as well, especially for smaller dinos
languid arrow
I didnt have it
covert birch
Dont ostriches do some kinda drift like that
covert birch
Dinosaurs are dinosaurs
languid arrow
and the thing i
covert birch
They arent trucks nor cars
languid arrow
that would make the combat
covert birch
They can turn in place both fast and slow irl
icy lion
collision, stam, different speeds and sizes should take care of that
icy lion
and looking at the trike it loses almost all momentum after the slide
covert birch
Tactics in combat are gonna be important with new systems instead of just hit and run through
icy lion
if drifting costs stam itll be more of a risk as well since fighting will be more of a stam battle
covert birch
doubt itll cost stamina
Cuz you can only drift while running so your already draining stam
no need to add onto it
languid arrow
yeah but drifting would remove the angular need entirely
icy lion
?
languid arrow
It would keep the combat system the same
covert birch
Thats already a major difference
icy lion
you dont instantly 180, turning takes time
covert birch
^
languid arrow
I know but it doesnt take space
icy lion
trike 90 degree took a bit longer than utah 180
covert birch
It does take space
covert birch
If a trike turns into a utah
icy lion
collision will exist, collision doesnt exist in the current game
covert birch
what
languid arrow
but look
icy lion
you will physically be unable to fight the same way you do now
covert birch
^
icy lion
the game WILL NOT allow assriding
languid arrow
180 turns after high speeds
covert birch
Assriding is gone
Running through another dino is gone
Regular attacks do nothing compared to things like grapples
Etc
icy lion
i doubt every dino will be able to 180, like i said with the trike
languid arrow
the only thing I think should be tweaked
is the fact that drifting at top speed shouldnt be possible
at lower speeds should be fine
icy lion
i mean, physically speaking, drifting should ONLY be available at high speed...
languid arrow
but a dinosaur could never simply drift like that
icy lion
we have turn in place when standing still and drifting for top speed
languid arrow
its inertia
icy lion
and spinosaurus doesnt look like a kaiju and dinos werent venomous
languid arrow
okay I would have to play with it to know for sure
you know when you 'slip' through the room on your socks right?
covert birch
Again a realism arguement (especially for something like drifting) doesnt matter
languid arrow
yes but I dont think it would fix fightng enough
covert birch
You realize when you slip on the floor with socks on you have no traction
icy lion
thats why collision is being added
covert birch
Dinosaur feet have traction
languid arrow
yes
yes they do
but not directional
they dont have wheels
they cant keep running and drift at the same time
as much as I am for slipping
icy lion
when was the last time you took a physics class?
languid arrow
im not for drifting
icy lion
because thats not how inertia works
languid arrow
litterally yesterday
intertia is directional right?
im going to get my drawing pad
icy lion
yes, which is why drifting is possible in real life
you turn your body and plant your feet but youre still moving the same way your momentum is
depending on the terrain you either slide or fall
if you slide, thats drifting
languid arrow
okay from 244
2:44
that elephant is not going to turn around like that trike is there
and if it did
that would mean the lions could turn away faster and run off
so that would be the combat
the way I look at it right now
if I have a raptor in my butt
and decide to turn around
but my turning isnt slower than his
covert birch
Yes but elephants and trikes dont run in the exact same manner
languid arrow
how is that ever going to work?
well approximately
they are around the same build
cant imagine the trike was more sportsy or something
icy lion
elephant isnt sprinting either
languid arrow
and actually
left nacelle
Elephants have much longer legs than trikes and different foot shapes
covert birch
Also trike gallops
languid arrow
that is true
covert birch
Elephant (in that video) isnt
icy lion
and different hip and shoulder sockets
icy lion
no
icy lion
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/LA-Triceratops_mount-2.jpg/1280px-LA-Triceratops_mount-2.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/African_elephant_skeleton_at_MAV-USP.jpg/621px-African_elephant_skeleton_at_MAV-USP.jpg
yes theyre big, yes theyre chunky, no theyre not really comparable
languid arrow
actually looks pretty similar
icy lion
a plucked rooster is a featherless biped but is not a man
languid arrow
true
covert birch
Not really saint
languid arrow
no you're rioght
covert birch
Look at the hind legs and front legs
Diff positioning
languid arrow
not similar
languid arrow
yes
icy lion
shoulders alone would prevent any exact comparisons in movement, and i imagine the gastralia mightve affected it as well
languid arrow
yes
icy lion
and this game puts realism in the back seat
so why shouldnt some dinos slide? we dont know if all will be able to, and we dont know how good each individual will be at drifting
we've already seen trike turns more slowly and in a smaller degree than utah
we've also seen turning in place and how quick it is, even for trike
languid arrow
this is it
what I mean
it actually does look pretty similar to the drifting
just skip through too
2:01
the first turn and the second slit
slip
/drift
see how fast everything turns?
all the dinosaurs
that would be the turn rate approximately
so you can use the drift for that perfectly
icy lion
yes?
left nacelle
I think instead of arguing about something we don't know about for an hour, maybe we should wait until we play with it before we complain?
icy lion
combat will have turning in place and collision, like we said. so i guess that vid could be a comparison
left nacelle
Like, we literally know next to nothing about this
icy lion
yea tbh i feel like im going in circles
left nacelle
I've been watching this discussion for like half an hour and it's hard to watch without just yelling STOP
languid arrow
yeah but the drift turn is just too fast 😫
icy lion
thats also the very first time we saw trike turning and is a heavy work in progress
languid arrow
yeah but it just looks wonky
thats also the very first time we saw trike turning and is a heavy work in progress
very true
I'm sorry I just like to go on about these things forever
left nacelle
It looks very wonky cause that was like two months ago
languid arrow
also true
but maybe not
allright
lets just see what the devs come up with
I shouldnt have started this discussion in the first place
so just drew this sorry for cropping and 2 minute drawing
icy lion
yea, huntings gonna take a looooot more strategy now. if youre nibbling trike tail it can just turn around and spike you now
languid arrow
yes
but I was also thinking
baiting
as a strategy
and more dangerous yet not more lethal attacks
wise warren
@potent mist instead of puting something with no context and telling us to search through all the suggestions, at least just repost it
languid arrow
@potent mist cubic bezier growth would be great
you suggested adaptable for growth for certain species right?
potent mist
@wise warren let me add the link to it
paper oriole
Chimps would get fucking demolished by 90% of the roster
potent mist
yeah, you could have different growth curves on a per-dino basis
paper oriole
And they dont fit in
languid arrow
bruh as long as you can stack chimp corpses im fine
covert birch
Chimps = useless
Would get shitted on by the rest of the roster + joke suggestions aint allowed
covert birch
Everything kills juvies
languid arrow
but then also make sure you spawn close to your species
yeah maybe it only kills adults
they ride on the dinosaur
languid arrow
jk
covert birch
Also @potent mist your link didnt work
potent mist
oh it doesnt
covert birch
weird
languid arrow
@potent mist they are going to implement this right?
covert birch
Your link sends me to the one i just posted
languid arrow
link works for me
covert birch
Meh either way i prefer what they got planned
languid arrow
whats that
potent mist
i don't know if they're going to implement bezier curves
covert birch
They arent
languid arrow
beziers always have the same outcome dont they?
potent mist
currently some dinos use linear growth and others use exponential
languid arrow
that wouldnt be too great
covert birch
The system they are doing is more of what we have now
But you can grow faster/slower as rewards/punishments for stuff you do while growing
potent mist
yeah, but you could be incrementing a percent growth with that system
then feed the percent into the bezier curve
languid arrow
did they give examples?
icy lion
i think theyre suggesting that the "base" growth is a bezier
languid arrow
yes
icy lion
and they dont have specific numbers, but they said growth could be halved or doubled depending on what you do
potent mist
like you could spawn as a juvie at 10% growth, and you can gain growth percent by doing certain things
languid arrow
holy cow
covert birch
They didnt give numbers but mentioned stuff like afk growing makes it take longer and eating preferred foods make it shorter
potent mist
then your stats are determined by bezier(growth curve, growth percent)
icy lion
eat your preferred food, dont afk, do things like mud baths and maybe claw sharpening
languid arrow
that sounds pretty good!
covert birch
Acting like your dino would act = faster growth
Afk growing = slower growth
eating nonpreferred foods too = slower growth too and possibly death for long periods of eating non preferred food (herbis only)
potent mist
an adaptive bezier curve seems harder than doing a linear growth number 0% to 100% and feeding that number into a bezier
languid arrow
yes but you can change value along the bezier curve
potent mist
yeah exactly, the adaptive bit is your x value along the curve
potent mist
it would also be cool to have something like this displaying your growth
like a scientist monitoring the dino would have
languid arrow
yeah
with the extra growth value next to it
truee
@potent mist would the model growth (that is now gradual) be equivalent to the growth value on the chart?
potent mist
yeah you could use the growth value to also control the model transition/size
that would make more sense than tying it to anything else actually
languid arrow
it would
potent mist
so the size/apparent growth would be more indicative of the stats like the weight/speed/attack force
languid arrow
yeah
I would like to see a decrease in stamina with more size as well
meaning juvies that are carefull and get a headstart will always be able to outrun 'obvious' predators instead of being run down like a cheap rag.
so I drew some scenarios that I personally would like to be suggestive of engagements in the recode
ofcourse not certain but this is what I had in mind
its all schematic with writing to explain
also my writing is not that bad its paint
potent mist
yeah you would need to adjust curves for something like rex where stamina goes down
hmm
my reference code doesnt account for that
languid arrow
yes
potent mist
so those would need separate curves
languid arrow
I actually mean
no
there would be a strating value
that would decrease at the same rate
the size and bite strength increases.
with a set start and end
you get what im going at
potent mist
obviously your weight and attack force and size wouldn't go down
languid arrow
no
potent mist
but speed and stamina can go both ways
languid arrow
indeed
potent mist
if you wanted to go ham each stat could have its own curve entirely
languid arrow
@fading shadow hsa not been fixed and I agree
yes
making seperate curves would be kind of cool
fading shadow
i meant with the recode if they fixed it
languid arrow
oh yeah I hope so
otherwise why do a recode?
I think that is number 1 death of dinosaurs
potent mist
i need to do some more algebra to fix up this code
languid arrow
allright
@fading shadow me and Mow were talking about that
more stamina if smaller
languid arrow
@fading shadowyes
languid arrow
or at least be able to outturn big dinosaurs
fading shadow
yeah
fading shadow
bc they arent toddlers its like the equvalent of a 10 y/o
fading shadow
have you seen those bastards move
fading shadow
you just die
fading shadow
its mostly like traveling
languid arrow
they out stamina you and just run in and kill you
fading shadow
bc they have short legs so their trot is just painful
languid arrow
yep
fading shadow
i think juvies trot should be more like a jog
covert birch
iirc they are buffing juvi speeds
covert birch
Also the lsiding down hills thing is gonna be given an animation
languid arrow
great
covert birch
Your gonna trip and tumble down hills
fading shadow
languid arrow
is it also less finicky?
covert birch
idk bout that
Just know youll slide down hills when sliding for too long youll trip down and tumble
covert birch
Prolly will still kill ya
fading shadow
fall damage in this game is kind of rediculous
languid arrow
treu
but that is because they use speed I think
or acceleration
its an engine trick
but works very poorly
had it in cs go as well
fading shadow
if you fall while running as anything like, say good bye
fading shadow
i got rock launch while trotting as a juvie rex and broke my leg yesterday
languid arrow
I got 2 90% sub rexes killed with it XD
fading shadow
as what
fading shadow
oh ok
languid arrow
walking to water and bam
fading shadow
so did i actually i just slide helpless down a mountain side
potent mist
okay, assuming you want full control over all four points of your cubic bezier curve you arrive at the cubic euqation:
A = -P_0 + 3P_1 - 3P_2 + P_3
B = 3P_0 - 6P_1 + 3P_2
C = 3P_0 + 3P_1
D = P_0
mow no one knows wtf your talking about or cares enough to find out
potent mist
solve Ax^3 + Bx^2 + Cx + D = 0 with those values
potent mist
then take your solution to that and compute P_0(1 - x)^3 + 3P_1x(1 - x)^2 + 3P_2(1 - x)x^2 + P_3x^3
and that's your growth value
if the devs are using cubic-bezier they already did all of this
ebon tiger
@neat beacon that kinda already happens. if your dino is hungry they start getting skinny, and their ribs and stuff start showing through
neat beacon
o sorry
ebon tiger
you only get the wounds showing when you start taking damage, after water/food hits 0%
icy lion
@rain dove oviraptors are already planned
rain dove
oh ok
left nacelle
@rain dove
paper trout
i thought oviraptors were not actually egg stealers
zenith onyx
they do steal eggs, but only to feed their young.
covert birch
irl they were just a mother protecting the nest
Ingame itll be an egg stealer and a good mom
ebon tiger
well, seems irl it wasn't an egg-eater, and it's thought the prongs on the palate (it has no teeth) were used to crack shellfish from lakes and other tough food items
zenith onyx
really looking forward to this guys ingame. And they did steal eggs. They'd take the not completely developed baby inside and feed it to their babies.
ebon tiger
there's zero evidence they ever stole eggs, not even for their young
zenith onyx
it has teeth in the back of it's jaw and neck.
ebon tiger
it has no teeth
zenith onyx
would crack the egg as it was going down.
ebon tiger
those "teeth" are prongs. extensions of the palate bones
and there's no teeth in the neck either. where'd you even get that idea?
zenith onyx
to peirce the egg shell. the African egg eating snake has the same thing in its throat.
ebon tiger
it doesn't have teeth in the throat
covert birch
A snake doesnt have the same thing as a dinosaur
zenith onyx
yeah.
covert birch
at least not ere
zenith onyx
but it could peirce an egg shell with it's beak.
ebon tiger
that's extensions of the neck vertebrae, which function like Oviraptor's prongs and crack the eggs
wary sparrow
Could doesn’t mean that it did
zenith onyx
many of the dinos could have eaten eggs when they had to.
covert birch
Could doesn’t mean that it did
^^^^^^^
ebon tiger
except, Oviraptor doesn't have neck prongs either, so comparing it to an African Egg-Eating Snake is a bad idea
wary sparrow
There’s no evidence that oviraptors diet consisted mainly from eggs
covert birch
Would be a horrible diet to even have
Imagine having to risk your life any time you wanna eat by going to a prolly protected nest
wary sparrow
It may have eaten eggs when given the opportunity like many smaller predators but it’s unlikely eggs were a big part in it’s diet
covert birch
thing would go extinct fast if it did that
ebon tiger
hell, there's not even much evidence of what they did eat. i think one relative had lizard bones in its gizzard?
zenith onyx
didn't say it was its main diet.
covert birch
it was prolly just a regular run of the mill omnivore
wary sparrow
^
zenith onyx
they ate lots of things not just eggs.
ebon tiger
aye, likely an omnivore, and given it has those prongs, probably ate stuff with tough shells, like shellfish or hard fruits, and if i recall, a lot of freshwater shellfish are known from the same areas as some related species
that doesn't make it aquatic though
zenith onyx
monkeys in some parts of Asia live in swamp but that never made them aquatic.
wary sparrow
The egg eating part makes for interesting game play though even if it is most likely inaccurate
ebon tiger
monkeys are nothing like Oviraptor
zenith onyx
just an example that jsut because it lives or eats something doesn't mean something else.
ebon tiger
i only pointed out that eating shellfish doesn't make it aquatic to prevent people jumping to some conclusion that it must be a swimmer
zenith onyx
like the same idea that dilo was going to have a venomous bite?
example.
@half forum you can right click your statement and edit it.
safe galleon
I think there will be options to have feathers or scales in the future
zenith onyx
cool.
covert birch
@half forum feathered system is confirmed for the distant future
icy lion
they mentioned optional feathers for "dinos that make sense" i believe, so its possible
icy lion
and spino and sucho wont get a feather option, but rex might
ebon tiger
i hope they don't for Rex. it's known to have been scaled, not feathered
featherless Oviraptor would look so bizarre. like a bastard child of hairless cat and a featherless chicken
safe galleon
Imagine feathers on deino
ebon tiger
featherless Hypsi would be fine. it's pretty much a tiny Dryo/Oro
Dryo looks okay featherless, and Oro looks fine with short fluff
drifting tapir
I can't wait til they allow Trikes back in herds! lol
zenith onyx
I like your idea for nesting @pallid spire.
half forum
and spino and sucho wont get a feather option, but rex might
@icy lion rexes arent feathered the feather theory was proved wrong so it wouldnt make sense
icy lion
i know, but isle had a feathered rex model in the past so they might have the option as a throwback
sonic cloud
This also happens to be a vidya game with giant murdermachines, a completely unrealistic Spino and Utah.
Realism committed suicide a long time ago
random imp
nah you should not be able to pick colors from the parents
that is the cool thing about being nested, that you'll have random colors
between the father and the mother of course
if you end up white with yellow splotches, that is your parents fault of picking dumb colors
barren zephyr
@viral creek
interesting
viral creek
I deleted it because i was looking through your suggestion history to double check
Found out you were talking about a different suggestion
I made a suggestion a few months ago that was near identical to yours lol and i got confused.
barren zephyr
what was yours?
viral creek
🤷♀️
barren zephyr
alright...
viral creek
Anyways, it's a good suggestion. We had the same idea lol
barren zephyr
@radiant aspen well para doesnt walk on 4 legs right now...
unless z walk
so do you mean when they z walk?
covert birch
radiant aspen
Like when para is standing in place ...they can go down on all fours then kick with their back leg
But can only kick with one leg on a certain side....similar to how pue kicks
So there is a blind spot for predators to attack to make it fair
meager stratus
Kai, I like the idea of finding a way to not punish those whose game crashes unexpectedly. But there needs to also be some consideration for those who try to logout in the midst of battle intentionally. Those methods could encourage more combat logging. We do not want that.
zenith onyx
there would be a system that doesn't allow you to log or quite after a certain amount of time or bleed in a battle.
meager stratus
a person does not need to click the "logout" or "quit" button in order to close the game. There are other methods such as using task manager to "end task" the game.
So while there may be a timer in place to prevent people using ingame methods to close the application, they will not prevent all combat logs.
also, I believe the timer is only for safe logging, at least with the current system in place.
I am unsure how logging out will work in Evrima. Does anyone know if the logout method is changing and how so?
covert birch
@barren zephyr herbis arent getting strains
covert birch
np
barren zephyr
*telling
paper oriole
A cutscene would be a little annoying to sit through every time you spawn in
If it's skippable sure
covert birch
They mentioned being airdropped when you spawn in so a cutscene of that manner prolly wouldnt work
Especially since we are meant to be able to nudge the cage in directions as its being airdropped
pale cypress
@covert birch oh wait thats actually going to be a thing? I thought dondi was just making a concept out of it!
covert birch
i mean its a concept but dondi is heavy in support for it so idk why it wouldnt happen
pale cypress
Cool!
covert birch
also mercs prolly wont be retrieving strains
If anything theyll either be the ones letting em out or killing them
pale cypress
Just spittballing 
feral wedge
You realize if there were a VC for each species, people would just use them to find that species in-game, right?
last widget
yeah sorry didnt realize that, havent played offical in ages so im just realizing thisnt likeother servers.
and that people are super toxic on offical
covert birch
@last widget global chat isnt really needed
last widget
well i mean no one is even in discord looking for groups or its just dry af.
covert birch
Like for example dondi recently said in recode that youll only be able to group with your own species if you are next to them
covert birch
And nesting is gonna be a thing on the selection screen
So like the only 2 actual benefactors to global are gone
last widget
just hard cuz i can never find anyone n stuff on discord lmao had more luck by spamming invites.
so like bobs nesting?
covert birch
and even in current game imo its 10x more fun to actually go find your species then typing in global
Systme for nesting will prolly be different
but itll be found on the selection screen
thats all we know
last widget
yeah ofc jw, cause if like bobs then thats cool. i wish you didnt just automatically go n hatch i wish it did it like bobs.
covert birch
Im expecting itll have an invite system or something
Like you request to take an egg
would help stop egg hoppers
tribal pelican
@tribal pelican Oviraptor is coming as an omnivore
@paper oriole Nice
paper oriole
All confimed unnannounced dinosaurs: 14/14
Carnivore :
-Troodon (playable)
-Compsognathus (playable/AI)
-Monolophosaurus (playable)
Omnivore:
-Beipiaosaurus (playable)
-Oviraptor (playable)
Herbivore:
-Hypsiliphodon (playable)
-Tenontosaurus (playable)
-Magyarosaurus (playable)
-Kentrosaurus (playable)
-Homalocephale (playable/AI)
-Minmi (playable/AI)
-Protoceratops (playable)
Flyer:
-Ptéranodon (playable)
Aquatic:
-Deinosuchus (playable)
barren zephyr
@tribal pelican you chat/reply in here
tribal pelican
@tribal pelican you chat/reply in here
@barren zephyr awesome. Now i have a huge amount of expectations for the new update. Keep working guys, u doing awesome
left nacelle
@rain dove The devs have already experimented with titanoboa and had a ton of trouble with it. So it probably won't be added. There might still be a tiny chance tho
languid arrow
@steady solar I don't think the ability to take less damage swould be a very good system. First of all it would kind of stagnate gameplay so I don't really think anyone would use it. Unless it would be like a 'block'. But they will already implement different changes for combat and specific attacks for dinosaurs.
Not sure if you have seen it but using a utah pounce on a trikes head while the trike attacks f*cking skewers you
So bracing would be a bit weird if you have the ability to fight back
steady solar
My idea behind it is to actually varry combat a little for dinosaurs that won't have such interactive abilities as a pounce. And it would let smaller dinos be able to survive a hit from bigger ones if they see it coming in time. In combat between similar sized dinos it would basically function as a block at full strength, with chip damage/bleed.
Apart from this fights at the moment are more dull and just come down to who manages to bite whom first without getting bitten in return. Of course Evrima might fix this with things like body collision, but if we haven't seen something in place of this it might as well not exist to the general public.
languid arrow
yeah, well I get the suggestion. So I heard that in stage 2 stamina is going to be more important and small dinosaurs are going to have a better time to get away WHEN THEY SPOT a dinosaur in time. So insead of reinforcing they will have time to run away.
So that kind of would be the solution to the issue.
But a passive first bite reinforcement would be good
to make sure that adults don't just run in and kill the young ones.
So like they can't kill you in one hit if you are a kid, but you'll have to lay down and others must save you or you'll be dead anyway.
@stark solstice Nice bro
stark solstice
Txs
steady solar
Thing is with my bracing idea if you would die in 1 bite to something guarding will do you no good anyway
Also @languid arrow I like the idea of safe spots. Although they would need to not be too close to food/water and there would have to be only a few, since otherwise they could be easily abused and even now it can be hard to get food as an apex sometimes.
half forum
the spino is realistic i hate the new reconstruction they definately didnt put it together right
it doesnt make sense that spinosaurus wouldnt walk like sucho and other spinosaurs
icy lion
wym?
half forum
the isle definately got it right when making a good realistic spino
severe idol
@stark solstice - Put your comments on suggestions here. Not in #general-feedback
covert birch
the isle definately got it right when making a good realistic spino
no it aint even close to irl spino
And not making it like irl spino is a good thing b/c irl spino = larger sucho with a sail who still cant fight apexs in a 1v1
Gameplay wise it would literally be sucho but you live in the ocean and are larger
That is why its bad
hoary idol
I suggest a Discord channel for Advertising Servers or introduce the Servers.
Just taking Beasts of Bermuda as an example because they did that too on their Discord and it's looking good and seems to Work, they have a channel called Community-information and there the own Discord staff is managing the the Advertise Posts like, they get informed by Server owners and write them their details and a Discord Admin will post them into that channel like:BASIC EXAMPLE
Discord link:
Server Name:
Player limit amount: 100
Primary language: English
Servers: 2
Server 1 gameplay: (Semi Realism)
Server 2 gameplay: (No Rules)
Game mode: Survival
Description:i personally would love that feature for Discord because the most players get on to Official Isle or, Teutonic / Nycta because they are very good known by almost everyone.. and i kinda wish there was a Option to make your small new server more visible to others.. and where else than in the community of the game itself??
out of personal reason ( i wonder how many of you would like that Option too ) give me a 👍 or 👎 as a reaction on this post
I need this badly.
covert birch
do you tho?
left nacelle
covert birch
@somber drift trike = small torosaurus aint a thing anymore
somber drift
OK thx i didnt kno this was a thing cuz i lost track of updated in the first week of this going on
ebon tiger
@somber drift their juvie Pachy is similar to Dracorex, but for clarity, Dracorex is not a juvie Pachy, though it might be a juvie Stygimoloch (Stygimoloch is not Pachy)
strange wave
^ torotrike is the worst thing to ever come out of paleontology
the only thing near it is deinocherius
ebon tiger
"ToroTrike" was not only a bad theory, but we now have a sub-adult and juvenile Torosaurus
and it's different from sub-adult/juvie Trikes
languid arrow
@steady solar Yes, I thought the same thing. The hiding spots should be used for 4/5 sub adult trikes with enough food for one meal or so and water a little futher away so they couldn't stay there for long but at least have some safety. Ofcourse they are also impllementing different actions to grow faster in evrima, these things wouldn't be present there, so it's only for hiding and not afk growing!
stark solstice
Boys we are gonna to do a remake of the dossier of the koolasuchus
Better letter, more ideas more perfect
covert birch
hagfish koolasuchus = best koolasuchus
https://66.media.tumblr.com/f23b5de6bacccb63f7b7bff44040ae8e/tumblr_inline_p0zufnpwi71qkjipr_400.gifv
oblique sluice
I have more things for Koola
covert birch
lemme slime people
oblique sluice
We will see tomorrow
stark solstice
Yes
covert birch
i did a koolasuchus suggestion a while ago givin it the whole hagfish slime so deinos dont rape it
https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/678036601577930752
oblique sluice
I want koola being maybe poisonous
stark solstice
I can't watch it
covert birch
The issue with poisonous animals is the fact people can just trample them instead
So the whole dangerous to eat doesnt really help
oblique sluice
I mean
Bigger animal=less effect
So if a big deino comes he doesn't give a fuck about your poison
covert birch
Im guessin youll make koola outswim it too
stark solstice
Yes because he eat you
covert birch
Cuz personally ide prefer making koola not be forced to leave the water ever (unlike deino is)
Then give it the hagfish slime to make it not get shitstomped by deinos
Then i said it can do underwater semiburrows
or fit into small crevices
oblique sluice
Just like crocs
covert birch
yea
oblique sluice
Prob i will make the whole suggestions late today/tomorrow
Also always liked the slim idea for koola
covert birch
yea the slime thing would basically stop any grapplers like bary, spino, sucho, and deinos from getting an easy grip on it while underwater
oblique sluice
In case to adding it to the suggestion (wich i would credit you) i should balance the slim idea with the poison
covert birch
maybe make it so if can have different lvls of slime
and the diff lvls make it more poisonous
To increase/change the amount of slime you get would be in diet
stark solstice
Good idea bro but idk why always the koola looks like a bad dinosaur in my opinion is a fine dinosaur
covert birch
@stark solstice i dont really understand ya suggestion
stark solstice
No is more like a coment of the Dino like the people most of the people think that is more a bad dinosaur but they can really do interesting things
stark solstice
@valid elk
I like your idea, you thought if those low water areas could be a good spot to grow as a baby deino, since they are areas with little water but enough for the young to hide?
valid elk
Yes!
covert birch
@potent sparrow your suggestion is kinda already happening
Normal bites wont be the main force of damage anymore as much as actually gripping on and holding your prey
@pulsar marlin from what we know tribals will be able to "enslave" dinosaurs
pulsar marlin
Nice
indigo sun
Why do people keep suggesting venom for a giant constricting snake
potent sparrow
o, interesting, curious how that'll play out. thanks for the details @covert birch
paper oriole
guess some people just think snakes=venom lmao
covert birch
@livid sage minmi is already confirmed
Hell they even showed its model in #phase-two-archive
livid sage
oh nice
nocturne sonnet
@honest sparrow consider this maybe as the full adult size ?
icy lion
again, may i suggest a #phase-two-archive literacy/competence test before being allowed to post in #general-feedback
covert birch
@livid sage sauro isnt even close to rex sized, if anything sauro is just anohter allo. (smaller one is allo fragilis, bigger one is sauro)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/688178398404542488/Saurofaggotaxe.png
also iirc sauro has been made into its own thing and isnt part of the allo family anymore
vestal rune
@potent sparrow 3 call?
covert birch
@zenith onyx stat variations between the genders would push players to play one gender over the other much more
zenith onyx
so?
covert birch
Keeping the genders the same statwise and just have diff appearance options is a way to stop that imbalance
zenith onyx
that happens already.
covert birch
Rn most people pick female b/c males have nothing special to them
Once nesting does require males itll shift out more on a 50/50
lilac swallow
People would just pick male apexes and females small tiers
zenith onyx
males are cool because they ONLY get the highlights now.
zenith onyx
i do.
covert birch
You see 10x more females then males
zenith onyx
yeah.
covert birch
When the game makes males required in nesting thatll balance out
zenith onyx
But it would increase the chance of people playing as male.
lilac swallow
Having both necesary to nest is the way to it
covert birch
wanna know what else will
Having males needed in nesting
zenith onyx
really? is it going to be like owls how the male brings food to the female while she sits on the nest?
lilac swallow
Also having males and females with different stats basically multiply by 2 the number of dinosaurs to balance
covert birch
No
vestal rune
males will need to fertilize eggs in order for hatchlings to be born
covert birch
^
vestal rune
what happens in child rearing will depend on the player
covert birch
Also having males and females with different stats basically multiply by 2 the number of dinosaurs to balance
^^^^
vestal rune
ye, I much prefer just model differences, even it may be not entirelly realistic
covert birch
Like overall males will be actually useful in recode when it comes to nesting
And thatll balance the genders
vestal rune
especially since I'm already worried for gender population inbalances
zenith onyx
why is that everytime i suggest something everybody SEEMS to go all crazy eyes on me....
it's just an idea or concept.
vestal rune
we're just critiqueing your opinion
zenith onyx
yes. i k that.
vestal rune
if you're putting forth something not suitable for the game we'll let you know
zenith onyx
But that's how it works in real life though. THey're trying to make the game as realistic as possible. Males in most species are stronger than the females.
vestal rune
in MAMMALIAN species yes
we have zero evidence for gender size differences in dinosaurs
zenith onyx
in reptiles too. in some instances.
icy lion
most instances the females are much larger
zenith onyx
what about the rexes?
zenith onyx
the males weighed almost twice as much as the females.
covert birch
We have no evidence other than modern comparisons
vestal rune
all the others are a complete mystery
zenith onyx
really only one?
covert birch
Like for rexs specifically sue is the largest proper specimen
vestal rune
and the only surviving dinosaurs, birds, usuallly only have flashier males, like ingame
although birds vary alot and aren't too closely related to non-theropod dinosaurs
lilac swallow
In mammals males are bigger
In reptiles there is no real difference
In birds depends on the species males ostrichs are the biggers while females eagles are the bigger
covert birch
Reptiles also depend on the species
certain snakes have larger fems, while crocs overall have larger males
zenith onyx
so it could then depend on what species and where it lives to determine which sex is bigger?
vestal rune
there's no realism reason to add gender size differences, and there are gameplay reasons to NOT add them as they create uneccessary complexity, so that's why gender dimorphism will only be cosmetic
covert birch
Stat variation would lead to massive gender imbalance per tier
zenith onyx
hmm...
lilac swallow
Like female rexes, while weaker than males would still be pretty strong and way too fast
covert birch
it would be difficult to balance the gender stat changes to make the dinos balanced anyways
icy lion
not to mention balance regarding accessible areas, if one is significantly larger than the other it can restrict them map wise (not sure how relevant this will be though, but i know we're getting caves)
rare bramble
@rich zodiac#8739 uhhh what
wait plz don't say it pinged someone else
If it does im sorry 😫
covert birch
@past terrace the 2 devs who you are allowed to ping (para and punch) dont really have anything to do with gameplay
Para is marketing and punch is community manager
vestal rune
@rigid vessel I believe a map for dinosaurs which will show all the area you've explored is confirmed, along with proper maps for mercs. Both of these I'm assuming will be opened with a button
paper oriole
“Add more dinos” wow such a useful and well thought out suggestion
And they arent going to waste their time moderating scaley RPers either
indigo sun
@barren zephyr devs dont give a fuck what private server owners do and they can't police someone who paid money to run a server and they are adding more dinosaurs so not a very useful suggestion, bud.
barren zephyr
why did you ping me?
that sugestion wasn't for you it was for the devs
not everythings about you so shut up
honest sparrow
selfish ^
barren zephyr
how so?
strange wave
i was going to comment on this, but its already a dumpster fire
barren zephyr
you know whats funny is i don't even play teh game and i'm coming up with suggestions so it's not physically possible for me to be "selfish" in this situation so you saying i am is false in every way possible
honest sparrow
honestly man, read the fucking channel title, and 2 if you really think that the devs are gonna police people who add thenyou must be pretty out of the know.
indigo sun
Well I was informing you of things. So sorry to have told you that what you suggested was, in the case of moderating private servers, not something the devs can control and in the case of "add more dinos," already in effect.
But yes I'm making this about me. I'm such a horrible person informing you about shit. So sorry m'lord, I shant do it again.
honest sparrow
if you don't play the game (yet you think you're a genius) and tell people that are just saying constructive criticism that they're awful people you need to analyze your thought process a bit bud
barren zephyr
you don't need to inform me about anything because i don't play teh game so how would i know??
strange wave
you can read the discord rules
wheat flax
lilac swallow
Why even make suggestion then?
honest sparrow
then why are you here if you don't care about the community, don't play the game, and don't give the devs the credit they deserve?
barren zephyr
and i came up with those 2 suggestions because it's the first thing i experienced when i started playign teh game
indigo sun
Why are you... suggesting anything for a game you don't play? Why are you making uninformed suggestions and then getting mad when people correct you?
Doesn't seem worth it, bud.
honest sparrow
just a google search or a look into #phase-two-archive would have helped
barren zephyr
you guys didn't correct me
indigo sun
I did correct you
indigo sun
I told you the devs can't moderate private servers. It's not under their control. And that they already are adding new dinosaurs to the game.
honest sparrow
more dinos ARE coming and the devs aren't going to mae specific private servers
honest sparrow
well the suggestion was incorrect
lilac swallow
Also this channel is basically about pinging people about their suggestions you just can't go:
that sugestion wasn't for you it was for the devs
barren zephyr
seriously find a train of logical before communicating with someone of my intelligence pls
honest sparrow
you act like a child
lilac swallow
And to be honest "add more dinos" is not a suggestion, is a demand
honest sparrow
@strange wave kill me
strange wave
@strange wave kill me
i cant legally
indigo sun
"Communicating with someone of my intelligence." Ah yes, m'lord. Your wisdom surpasses all of us simple peasants below you.
lilac swallow
Except that's not the case
barren zephyr
and if what i say is a demand then everything you guys say is a demand too
honest sparrow
no, some things can't be suggested, some are facts or demands or opinions
indigo sun
I don't think I've ever seen a less informed person here.
Might be a new record, oh boy I'm glad I came back to the server today!
strange wave
here yes, the steam forums are... worse
honest sparrow
I get that you're new and simply WANT a few things, and that's fine but being an ass abut it isn't helping anyone
lilac swallow
Steam forums don't exist
strange wave
i wish they didnt
strange wave
i really really do
lilac swallow
You know I was just joking right?
honest sparrow
some things don't exist
indigo sun
That was so very obviously a joke.
lilac swallow
It was
barren zephyr
ive turned this into general discussion lmfao
indigo sun
I guess high intelligence means you lose your sense of humor, ey, m'lord.
honest sparrow
that was a trip
barren zephyr
yes because a sane human doesn't come up with jokes in serious situations
lilac swallow
This is in no way a serious situation
honest sparrow
this isn't serious, it's about a video game with dinosaurs
barren zephyr
im not referring to this situation i'm referring to what he brought up what i said earlier
indigo sun
No, no you simpletons. This is clearly a very serious situation. The Royal Highness, King Yonk has been wronged here.
honest sparrow
strange wave
clearly our oh mighty lord was wronged by us simpletons
honest sparrow
ah yes our mighty lord has been wronged, what shall we ever do to repay him?
indigo sun
God I laughed so hard I mighta cleared all the gross shit from my lungs in a span of 5 minutes
honest sparrow
that's disgustingly wholesome
indigo sun
Thank you King Yonk for clearing me of my ailment
honest sparrow
@finite elm I believe there will be locational spawn for different species, so if you get a large group you can link up with them relatively quickly
finite elm
Thank god!
That fixes some of the issue
If you want a population of players to grow they need to make it easier for players to link up
fiery edge
I heard that you would spawn in a container/cage suspended by a rope atatched to a heli... and to chose your location you would hit the sides to chose a location you preffer...
finite elm
Otherwise this shit is gonna remain even more niche than it already is
fiery edge
But that would be more in the future
finite elm
Lol that sounds so much like a BR game
fiery edge
Honestly anything that lets me chose where to start is good
honest sparrow
@zenith onyx you can sit indfinitely, and if you're referring to getting up honestly it's probably the same as getting up from a nap, which is about as fast getting up normally irl. Honestly it would make more sense that your vision is dimmed and you have to take more time to actually fall asleep. Sure it makes sense but some slow things don't really want to waste stam then waste more time sleeping, and fast-high stam things have basically no use for this. Maybe if it also healed faster it could be more useful. but that's just my 2 cents, still a pretty cool idea
indigo sun
@last widget the rates of ai spawn cant really be changed afaik. Sometimes the ai gets a little fucky wucky and can have issues spawning but theyre workin to fix that anyway
It's just bad luck
last widget
oh ok thank you cuz was just getting pissed off as a starving sub adult its like and no ai nice
forced to go put myself in danger
finite elm
Happens to me too man
Ive gone from 100% hunger to dying a few times with not encountering any ai
paper oriole
If youre a sub rex on official just pvp and stop hiding around eating ai like way too many growing apexes do
wheat flax
that suggestion with the bigger map got me wonderin
sorry if obvi question but
with the bigger map and the rework of the game
will servers be able to hold more people per game? itll be cool to see it more lively ofc
finite elm
I mean if you make a bigger map but only make more people per a server to fill that map to scale with what you already had its gonna feel just as empty
wheat flax
tru tru
my b if obvi question it just popped in my head
indigo sun
@barren zephyr so your suggestion is just to add a slightly weaker deino? Feels like a waste of $7000 to me
indigo sun
How would it be any different from deino besides just being worse than it?
barren zephyr
true
indigo sun
What difference would it offer in gameplay that would make people actually want to play it? Why should they bother spending that much money on that?
barren zephyr
i thought it just looked epic
lol
people would, just by how amazing it'd look, and it had a stronger bite force than rex.
so, it would be really strong.
indigo sun
Deino
barren zephyr
and it is a lot bigger, it can intimidate danger.
indigo sun
People would just play deino.
Sarcho needs to actually have something going for it
And what you're offering isnt anything that would make me or another person want to play it
barren zephyr
well, it should have a lot of health, but very low mobility.
and the deino would have less health, but more mobility.
anyways, i really don't think they'll add it.
not like this is some serious shit.
just some suggestion.
indigo sun
You just actually have to have reason and substance to a suggestion for adding an animal
indigo sun
Shoulda started with the screenshot. Let me get it
Second paragraph is whats relevent to you, blah blah blah
barren zephyr
ok.
indigo sun
Man i used to like getting the ss now it just feels boring
blazing charm
@barren zephyr Gonna be honest, as someone who absolutely loves Sarcho, that doesn't really seem to be worth adding, even if it's larger it would still be ultimately weaker than Deinosuchus.
barren zephyr
I know.
Also, i love Deino over Sarc.
Sarco *
Just that Sarco looks bloody epic.
But it has more features than Deinosuchus, Deinosuchus normally searched for food in large groups, sarcosuchus was like an overlord of crocodiles who hunted Sauropods, while Deinosuchus's hunted smaller Herbivores.
paper oriole
A ‘hibernating’ sarcosuchus would be kinda a waste of a server slot imo, like crate utahs are now but at least those have to get down to eat often
vestal rune
I'm really against the whole hibernating/sleeping as a gameplay mechanic thing
covert birch
@barren zephyr sarco was smaller than deino and couldnt kill as much due to how snout was shaped (snout shaped stopped it from being able to deathroll)
But it has more features than Deinosuchus, Deinosuchus normally searched for food in large groups, sarcosuchus was like an overlord of crocodiles who hunted Sauropods, while Deinosuchus's hunted smaller Herbivores.
Also sarco didnt hunt sauropods whatsoever
its snout was more akin to that of a gharial
Which is a croc specialized for fishing
I'm really against the whole hibernating/sleeping as a gameplay mechanic thing
Sleeping imo can work dependin on how they do the whole dream thing kissen wanted
vestal rune
the whole dream thing seems like a lot of unecessary work
honest sparrow
dreams seem neat
vestal rune
just make it a roleplay thing, or maybe add dreams post 1.0
covert birch
True but my worry is how will you know your being killed/ran at while in a dream
covert birch
the dreaming system imo can be pushed as a part of elder requirements n such possibly
vestal rune
hmm maybe
covert birch
or at least sleeping
honest sparrow
herbs must smoke weed and dream in order to obtain elder
vestal rune
maybe when you go shmememe you have to do a special dream thing
also absolutely not, you should never be forced to sleep
or even encouraged to
covert birch
Encourged will prolly be something thatll happen
forced no
but elders are an "optional" system so
honest sparrow
imagine having a mechanic that isn't encouraged to be used
vestal rune
ye but most people will want them, they're an endgame
honest sparrow
they're a power up
covert birch
Eh they arent really endgame
vestal rune
they really are
covert birch
Elder perks from what i understood arent maddening buffs to damage n such
They are quality of life stuff
vestal rune
ye but also BEING an elder is an endgame
covert birch
Like lose hunger/water slower, grow faster, etc
vestal rune
and you're still gonna be better than you were before
covert birch
Being an elder is optional endgame
And you get weaker than the average adult eventually
honest sparrow
you just kinda get a bit older and experienced with a few better perks, but you're also slowly dying
vestal rune
if I want to be an elder I really don't want to HAVE to sit in a bush and do nothing
covert birch
Youll do stuff in the dream tho
vestal rune
that's why I'm so against sleeping, it actually worsens the whole sit in a bush thing
honest sparrow
flappy ptera high score to obtain elder
covert birch
It worsens it during a specfic time of day
well i guess night in this case
but this also allows more animals to be nocturnal
vestal rune
lmao night is already worse for it
covert birch
Be safer during the night and come out
vestal rune
or you can just give them very good night vision, like with dilo
covert birch
yes that combined with the sleep system
Sleeping shouldnt be forced
but it should be encouraged at least
honest sparrow
sleeping as a compy=op
vestal rune
I really don't think so, sleeping is literally the opposite of gameplay
covert birch
Again youll be playing the game in the dream
vestal rune
ye they'll have to design a whole fucking minigame for sleeping, playtest it to make it fun, and all the other work that would have to be put into it
or they could not add it, and work on humans or whatever
covert birch
and if your issue is a shitton of players being in the dream give a punishment for sleeping to much
Adding it later is fine
Whenever they add it is fine
But imo a system like that can work out well
vestal rune
I mean, maybe if they find out a way to make it not incredibly repetitive
covert birch
dreams can maybe be a cool way to learn lore
learn how dinos happened, why mercs are on the island, tribals and wtf created em
can teach ya how to become an eyeless thing as tribal
things of that nature
honest sparrow
yeah, like a flashbac scen unique to each creature or something like that
using it's own abilities to esape
covert birch
@grave zodiac ide rather skins colors be unlockable via ingame methods while stuff like the dino skins that dondi mentioned would be store bought
Like how dondi mentioned youll be albino via cannibalism
grave zodiac
oh it was already mentioned then, sorry I couldn't follow up updates about it
was just suggesting,
@covert birch did they mention anything about steam achievements?
grave zodiac
oh cool
left nacelle
@barren zephyr Fyi, adding a single animal costs like $7000, so adding something just because it looks cool isn't the smartest idea
little tendon
i was just watching the dumpster fire from yonk's suggestion
honest sparrow
lol
little tendon
if it wasint 2:01 am for me i would be eating my gold fish watching this
honest sparrow
that was like hours ago my guy
little tendon
i know i just forgot the suggestion channel existed since i only focused on #608693014054830103. and #phase-two-archive.
and I accidentally clicked suggestions.. and scrolled up seeing it. so i went here to see what happened
honest sparrow
aight
languid arrow
@vestal rune I agree on dreaming, doesn't sound like a good idea gameplay wise. You want to PLAY the game right not sleep in a corner somewhere, at least make it optional if you're really into whatever it is you do in the dream. Also can you get killed in the dream because I don't want to be able to go to sleep and suddenly bit to death by a dilo juvie who happened to be right next to me.
barren zephyr
@covert birch by hunting sauropods i meant young sauropods.
nocturne sonnet
@barren zephyr we get brachi