we are talking about laboratory created abominations, not real dinos
#general-feedback-discussion
random imp
covert birch
What do you mean how. It tackles stuff around its size to the ground and injects venom with a bite
barren zephyr
But suicidal bite is cooler admit it
covert birch
the giga thing imo in that manner is bad
Would just allow for mixpacking
Giga defends sauropod and sauropod gives it lil chunks of food
covert birch
People break rules
barren zephyr
Dna sry
covert birch
the affinity thing is being made redundant
barren zephyr
Herbis will be stressed if they’re near carnis and will attack or run
covert birch
Again that is being made redundant
barren zephyr
Ok
covert birch
random imp
herbivores already do that, no need to add something identical
covert birch
Also imo flesh grazing would be 10x better like how herbi grazing is being done
severe idol
You're really into losing teeth...
covert birch
You dont gain food but it stays at a standstill
random imp
loosing theet is a useless mechanic and a nightmare to code, so no
covert birch
So it allows starving things to keep hunting wihtout as many issues
covert birch
werent ya obsessed with dilo tho?
barren zephyr
Who?
covert birch
saying it was "regal" and saying you can 1v1 gigas but never actually showing up to the 1v1
You
barren zephyr
Im new here
covert birch
Dont act like idk if your el gallimimus
barren zephyr
I don’t know who is that boi
random imp
did this guy got banned from the server and returned as different account?
barren zephyr
Nope I’m pretty new
covert birch
Idk if galli was banned
barren zephyr
Idk
random imp
mmh, anyway, lets stop chatting about this stuff here
barren zephyr
Who is gallimimus?
covert birch
Fleshing grazing imo is better in the case where it stays at a constant standstill
barren zephyr
Let’s continue in off topic
covert birch
If ya attacking things larger than ya
The magy neck attack is also bad imo since it literally makes ya put your weak spot closer to enemies
Like a neck attack isnt gonna do much to a cera
random imp
flesh grazing is also a nightmare to code i imagine, and a hell to animate
covert birch
nah no need for animations really
random imp
also because magy isn't biggeer than cerato
covert birch
It is
random imp
i think
covert birch
not by much but its bigger
random imp
oh okie
some creature eating you alive is a must have in this game, we'll just have to wait and find out what it will be lol
covert birch
dondi did say he wanted that
indigo sun
@barren zephyr
paper oriole
Oh god its that guy again
indigo sun
It only takes a few more minutes to put even a smidgen of effort into your suggestions
thorny crag
to be honest I really like the HUD as it is ,I just would like it to be more accurate (water drop only to show filled when you are really filled, not at 80%, same with food) and I would like to have an option to choose between numbers or icons.
paper oriole
I've seen the idea of cerato eating rotten meat that most others can't safely eat go around a lot, it would also be neat if eating rotten meat would give it a rancid bite that would slow healing and make the bite zone more vulnerable, to make it a sort of hyena/honey badger cross that even apexes may not want to be bitten by due to it making them more vulnerable while the infection debuff lasts
violet magnet
maybe even just an option to have the text box open at all times instead of the black backdrop going away after a few seconds
like it was 1-2 years ago
it might not be aesthetically pleasing but wwaayyy easier to read
oblique crown
@dim ore What are you confused about?
dim ore
the bit about giving players back their trikes? what are you referring to? the official servers??
oblique crown
^ and When that rule came in effect I was a person who supported the idea not realizing how much effect it would actually have It made things a lot less lively.
jovial moss
one of the perks of being herbivore was being allowed to chill out with other herbivores but Trike was shunned to the Trike corner and it made things so much more lonesome
sonic mirage
As a Trike main, I whole heartedly agree on the whole lonesome thing. It's part of why I don't play on official servers. Why I love herbi so much is because on most servers, I get to have this sense of comradarie with other herbivores. I can herd and laugh and chit chat and have fun with them, and help protect the new buddies i've made! But I can't do that if Trike is excommunicated from being in herds. :'/ Half of the fun is just.. gone.
So if I want to hang out, i'm forced to play a different dino that I don't enjoy as much, and that holds my attention less, which is never fun!
thorny crag
aw nay I like the textbox as it is right now
barren zephyr
add sans.
random imp
don't like the last suggestion hadrosaurs are supposed to run, not tackle injure and then escape
ashen wasp
Oh, wouldn’t be injuring— it would still be very flight-focused, only slowing down a predator instead of really fighting it
And maybe Allo was a bit too large of an example
random imp
but slowing it down cancel the sprint mechanic, so really it makes no much sense
covert birch
@hushed kindle while they are increasing growth times
6 days is unreasonably long
hushed kindle
Yea but when ppl spend hours at a time on here and can just logout and back in it would force people to be a bit more cautious instead of all willy-nilly
covert birch
Yes longer growth times would force people to be more careful
But the new elder system will do that instead
Imo the best growth times for apexs specifically would be
Current if ya play perfectly
8 hrs if ya play average
12 hrs if ya afk grow
hushed kindle
Good point, however I just feel it's just too short. Yeah 6 8 and even 12 hours could seem like forever but that may be due to the anticipation to get to the end when really if you're splitting that up even at 12 hours it's still simply 2 days gameplay and you win. Also bigger map fewer players even though there will be more AI and hire details that allow one to Simply disappear into the background as easily as they do means it could be much easier and much harder to hunt or be hunted thus resulting in fewer player interactions
It will be interesting to see the new scent mechanics as well
covert birch
Apexs wont be easier to grow since you'll actually have to do things to grow
Such as eating preferred food
Following migration paths
Etc
hushed kindle
Sounds nice
random imp
too long growth time will cripple the experience of workes or kids who have school to attend to.
past furnace
I don't know if I agree that longer growth would cripple the experience. I think if the growth time is longer or at least as long as it is now, then the reward is worth the time and it keeps the servers from being overrun by the apex/top tier dinos. You see this in open world pvp mmos when you're allowed to boost characters.
Half the time, boosted characters get in the way and disrupt the experience for those who worked for what they have and know what they're doing.
severe idol
@leaden cargo - No one gets strikes for that unless they repeatedly do it.
They get strikes for not listening to warnings, not for putting text there.
leaden cargo
ah. just figured it was brought up enough in moderation to put into the rules.
severe idol
It's in the channel description of every Screenshot channel. We can't list everything.
leaden cargo
true.
random imp
man, dinos are reptiles, they DO like to stay under the sun, i've seen lizards stay in the same spot under the sun for hours without moving a muscle. the sun won't burn them. heatwaves do, are another thing, and yhea, it should be implemented with all the other enviromental stuff.
paper oriole
For the parasites thing, maybe certain dinos like galli, compy, dryo, hypsi, etc could pick mites off of herbivores and tolerant carnivores and gain some food while also helping the other dino. Would give more incentive to have these small tiers around as both scouts and cleaners in a symbiotic relationship
paper oriole
Herbivores should certainly have better means of defending themselves than they do atm but being able to detect hidden carnis would kinda ruin the point of strategy and surprise in a hunt
Unless that icky mechanic of the game auto camoflaging predators is added that was mentioned in a stream, which is also a bad mechanic that nullifies actual skill
barren zephyr
External parasites wen
sonic mirage
I'm a little late, but!! I seen someone mention liking the text box as it is now, and I wanted to give my 2 cents.
I think something that's really important to keep in mind when it comes to accessability is that though a change might not help you, it will help other people! If you personally like the box as it is now, great! But there are, again, people with sensitive eyes, reading disabilities or other disabilities (such as myself) that have a hard time playing because of it. A friend of mine has chronic asthenopia, and he can't play on servers with active chats because the colors make that act up. So really, think about it being for the greater good!
Furthermore, part of my suggestion involved creating a greater way to customize your chat hud, so if you like it as it is now, you can always make it look like it is now if something like that was implimented!
I'm a really big advocate for making games more accessable to EVERYONE, and even little things like this can go really far to make other people feel included! 
random imp
why are people obsessed with poop, pee, falling theet... this is unconfortable. Tho i agree with the babies having a complete different color scheme ( even if that is probably coming anyway) and a larger choice of colors.
last meadow
is that jesus dondi?
icy lion
bleedings getting reworked @dim zodiac
dim zodiac
for the new the isle ? possible balance of bleeding, ok ty
covert birch
@dim zodiac
Bleeding is gonna work like this
When bleeding your stam slowly gets filled up. Once it is full you die
More ya move makes ya bleed faster
Less ya move makes ya bleed less
Not moving and ya not bleeding
More bleed ya have more itll drain
lament hawk
@dim zodiac until bleed changes like blue mentioned above, I’d say play as allo or maia 
Make sure you z walk if you can’t sit immediately, and don’t sprint
lament hawk
No, @dim zodiac , most dinosaurs don’t afk after they bite someone (even dilos who deal most bleed) because they are in an active hunt and if they go afk then their prey can heal easily. Maia and allo have great bless heal which is why I suggested them. Rex has best bleed resist. Like I said if you stand still or use z walk you will heal bleed faster
dim zodiac
its exemple, he just turn around 😄
lament hawk
@dim zodiac both allo and maia are usually fast enough to catch things and end the fight quickly
dim zodiac
i play rex, is some team of carno or others bleed me, i cant chase you know ^^
and they just need to turn around so
pulsar lake
How did you get hunted by carnos as Rex lmao?!
But that is another subject that I don't really want to talk about because bleed system is going to drain stamina and not health in the future.
So, @empty dove, why should we change current Allosaurus? The one we have is, as we know, inspired by Fragilis and A.Fragilis was like 9 meters long and around 2.5 tons and 3 tons.
Why should we change current Allo to have a Giga or an Acro, who is goint to be an AI/sandbox or an unofficial server playable?
It wouldn't even be a lid tier but a pseudo apex
paper oriole
If youre dying to carnos as rex you obviously shouldnt be playing rex
Too many apexes anyway
pulsar lake
Apexes won't be a thing when evrima drops and won't be before a good time
Probably the last creatures to be lunch in the game
paper oriole
Thatll be a relaxing time for sure, not hearing the 500 rex and giga mains broadcasting every fee sec
empty dove
@pulsar lake just note: I did not suggest it, I only forwarded it for someone who couldn't access this discord due to phone verification thingy.
pulsar lake
Oh okay
empty dove
and ngl, I personally disagree with it. But uhh, I decided to put it in anyway
empty dove
mhm, but all opinions must be heard
empty dove
yeah, allo stronk, already darn annoying
pulsar lake
No one is really wrong but some of them are weird
empty dove
only change I can think of, is make allo faster, pretty sure A. Fragilis was supposed to be pretty damned fast? I'll check tho
paper oriole
If you make it bigger almost t rex it is either apex food or op and allo is already pretty balanced
Allo is getting faster in recode
Lots of dinos are getting new speeds
empty dove
mhm
pulsar lake
Allo is going to be faster but it will probably have a weeker bite force because it will have a secondary attack know as "grapple"
empty dove
yeah, can't wait for that
pulsar lake
And probably less stamina to be an ambush predator and not a long runner one
empty dove
yeah
Like... looking at that scene from Planet Dinosaur, allo was fast but little stamina and a rather weak bite.
sonic cloud
Neovenator is literally a smaller Allo clone
Dont know how it’s an “upper mid tier”
It’s redundant considering we already have Allo with identical gameplay, cerato in the correct size range and tbh even though neovenator would probably be faster than an Allo; cerato, carno and alberto will all run neovenator down and brutalise it.
On top of that it doesn’t bring anything to the table.
ebon tiger
it's smaller than Bary, or at most the same size
and whilst a megalosaurid would be neat, it doesn't offer much that isn't already available, same as its bigger cousin Torvosaurus
sure, a greater scent range is different, but does it really give it much advantage?
sonic cloud
Neovenator isn’t a megalosaur, but it is definitely smaller than bary
Like lengthwise it’s about dilo size but is a bit bulkier
ebon tiger
wait, what am i thinking of then?
sonic cloud
idk
ebon tiger
okay... nvm me. but i now have some information to chase up
sonic cloud
Megalosaurus or eustreptospondylus tend to be the go-to megalosaurs alongside torvo
So probably one of them
ebon tiger
no, it wasn't those
sonic cloud
But anyway, neovenator is redundant
ebon tiger
i think i see what i was thinking of. there's a mounted megalosaur skeleton in a local museum near me, and it's labelled "Neovenator"
i'll have to chase up what the deal is with that
barren zephyr
External parasites and grooming mechanics yay or nay?
paper oriole
it would be a nice way to utilize compies and stuff in a symbiotic way so 👌
leaden zodiac
yey
paper oriole
Drinking saltwater should be an option but it shouldnt help at all for thirst save for a few select dinos
Drinking salt water would diminish thirst if anything
Perhaps spino, ptera and/or a couple others could drink salt water with little or no punishment
severe idol
@inner turtle - DLC is bad animal.
random imp
paied Pass is the worst animal. we are not Fortnite.
finite perch
@fallen folio can i ask why the squint
indigo sun
@gleaming osprey not possible
dapper obsidian
From what I've researched is that Neovenator is a similar size to Allo, but some larger specimens are estimated to be 10m in length. Ideally, I'd like it to hit harder but be less mobile than Allo, though not to the extent of Acro.
dapper obsidian
Idk it's probably a dumb idea but I think it's cool
random imp
is not dumb, is simply useless
stuck bison
Saltwater literally dehydrates you. you shouldn't be able to drink it for hydration purposes at all. >.< At least not if you are a creature that depends on fresh water, marine animals that are built to live in salt water or bracken water perhaps but fresh water creatures or land animals are not built to gain hydration from saltwater....
indigo sun
@marble egret already way in development. If you scroll through #phase-two-archive there might be some videos showing it off
blazing charm
@rough hemlock New creatures need to have some kind of unique characteristic, niche or mechanic. To me Tawa seems identical to creatures like Troodon, Herrerasaurus or even Velociraptor, Postosuchus on the other hand is a bit easier to make interesting.
rough hemlock
Oh ok
blazing charm
Just as a bit of personal opinion, have you considered using one of the larger Triassic Raiasuchians instead of posto?
covert birch
personally i feel like presto would be better than posto
Would make a good competitor to cerato
Like how alberto would be a good competitor to allo
blazing charm
Also Posto is still somewhat of a biped, I know that sounds like an odd nitpick. but it does partially defeat the point of having a quadrupedal terresetial predator, when in reality Posto was somewhat of an inbetween.
covert birch
well i mean ya can do some kinda mechanic with posto swapping between 4 and 2 legs
Like when in 2 legs it moves faster but drains more stamina and on 4 is more endurance based
Making it adaptable to whatever situation ya need
rough hemlock
Yeah that’s one reason i picked posto
covert birch
Speaking of triassic stuff iirc plateo was confirmed for later down the line
rough hemlock
Oh cool
Well anyway I added some ideas for the tawa
I looked at prestosuchus and it looks like a pretty good option too I’ll go ahead and put that in my suggestion
covert birch
Imo best selections for triassic stuff would be like
presto, tany, desmato, and protoavis/avimimus
Presto as some kinda competitor for cerato, While cerato is endurance based hunter presto would run ambush something, grapple it and maybe apply bonebreak.
Protoavis/avimimus is basically all the gliders that people want. Both arent as small as ovi and archeo
Tany is basically a coastal fisher who would also be above average swimmer
And desmato is an armored herbi croc so would be a good small tier to put in swamps n such. Imagine a minmi who actually lives within the water
rough hemlock
Those are some good ideas you should put them in suggestions
covert birch
Nah i stopped suggestion new dinos until recode actually comes out
i wanna see how things play out first
dapper obsidian
Rhizodus would be interesting, as a fish that can go on land for short periods of time. The only thing is it's palaeozoic rather than mesozoic
However, compared to the other aquatic creatures, it wouldn't have to come up for air
rough hemlock
That sounds cool
pulsar lake
Presto would be coller because it is bigger
Can be same tier as Bary in terms of power
latent cave
@tall flicker that who thing about rexs only seeing things that move is a myth made by jurassic park, rexs had great vision and had no problem seeing motionless things. So no that would not be more realistic at all, but i do wish rex was not broken op
ebon tiger
it's not even from Jurassic Park
it's even older
JP just made it famous amongst mainstream folks
(ironically, the movie trimmed it down, so the parts where Grant realises the theory was wrong is missing, but they're in the novel)
latent cave
@marble egret posto is actuly more like half the size of a utah or austro, and it liky not a compitant jumper
paper oriole
saurosuchus or prestosuchus would be best, would be the first not aquatic carni playable that could have a tail swipe realistically and probably be good at digging up burrows if they get health meters like nests
finite elm
@marble egret i believe they are working on some similar grappling mechanics with certain species. I think Allo will have a grapple with its claws and Rex a bite and restrain type attack.
marble egret
cool thanks.
indigo sun
@barren zephyr seems like a lot of work on the admins/mods' part to go back a whole month just to find suggestions with 5 ⏲️s on it. Why should they bother when the suggestion channel has moved on much further by then for it to not even be a problem. Clutter doesnt really matter if you're waiting a whole month to delete suggestions literally no one is going to see because of how much the channel is used.
latent cave
@marble egret dunkleo would be like rex of the sea, they are giant armored apexs with massive biteforces likly stronger then rex, need some kinda of counter but i cant really think of any aside maybe large cephalopods, since preditory cephalopods often have advantages vs armored
covert birch
dunkleo wouldnt really be a sea rex since the guy is tiny compared to other large stuff such as megalodon, mosasaurus and co, livyantan, etc
slow stream
I can see dunk being a small/mid-tier pred of the sea
but large-tier? nah, not at all
marble egret
Yeah it wouldnt be that good. I suggested mosasaur a while ago too, with those two in the game, oceans would be way more exciting
dapper obsidian
Eurypterids would be cool as low tier sea predators, with the main advantage being camouflage to the seabed
covert birch
personally i want like those sea scorps as low tiers
Dunk and edestus as midtiers
And things like livyantan, mosas as large tiers
with things like plesiosaurs relatives, mosasaur relatives, and ammonites filling up the mid and small tiers where needed
dapper obsidian
Megalodon would defo be apex
dapper obsidian
Fair enough
covert birch
Literally said anything but megalodon when talkin bout sharks
dapper obsidian
In comparison to most sea predators Meg is a bit ridiculous
ebon tiger
to be fair, Megalodon is just a massive Great White shark (not exactly, but close enough)
so it doesn't really have anything special going for it
dapper obsidian
Large size = more health/damage
ebon tiger
there's bigger marine predators though
covert birch
Personally what i want for aquatic stuff are
Ocean apexs: Livyantan, whale sized icthyiosaur, kronosaurus
Ocean Midtiers: archelon, some midsized plesiosaur, some midsized pilosaur, dunkle, edestus,
Ocean smols: ammonites, small plesiosaur, small pilosaur, maybe some kinda sea bird like pelagornis, some more tiny fish, Omnidens (as a bobbit worm), sea scorps
ebon tiger
there's 2
Shonisaurus and Shastasaurus are both estimated to be similar in size to some modern whales
pretty sure there's some other species that big too
latent cave
@covert birch maglodon maybe, unlikly preditor for dunk, mosa 100% and levianthan nope, mosa doesn't have the teeth regeneration or bite force of magalodon, if it did manage to get though the arrmor it would soon die due to having all its teath broken, Mean while Leviathans are also speced for hunting un arrmored targets ussuly small whales or large cephalopods
covert birch
your overestimating dunkle
dapper obsidian
Dunkle is slow
covert birch
he is a small guy first of all
dapper obsidian
And a relatively weak bite force too
ebon tiger
Mosa is likely stronger than Megalodon, tbh.
shark biteforce isn't as insane as you think (it's not like a car-crushing Rex).
and whilst sharks do replenish their teeth, so do mosasaurs, and neither can do so rapidly
dapper obsidian
It was powerful at the time, but not so much compared to others
covert birch
Better size comparison
speaking of aquatics basil would be cool too
Would basically be the acro of the ocean
ebon tiger
to be fair, only Dunkle's head is known. nothing else
latent cave
... dunkleo is 10m long with an estimated 6000n bite with thick arrmor
covert birch
Dunkle imo can make a great bonebreaking midtier based on size.
Would be slow but have a good ambush
ebon tiger
yes, most Dunkle reconstructions are based on related species, but if you look, you'll find they're all very variable (at least, in the species where the bodies are known
half of Dunkle's relatives looked like flat bricks with fins
covert birch
also dunks armor is mainly found on the head
Basically leaving 65% of its body vulnerable
dapper obsidian
However the tail shape remains fairly consistent
Dunk is usually based on coccosteus
Now I do love the dunk
But it's easily outclassed by more recent predators
covert birch
doubt well have anything that recent
latent cave
Anyways anything a dunkleo can fit in its mouth it can also likly bite clean off including the fins or large chunks of larger whales and fish
dapper obsidian
Dunk was pre Dino, so most things are more recent
covert birch
Remember this is a game. Things like biting bits completely off wont happen
doesnt mean we cant replicate that tho in the form of bonebreak
dapper obsidian
Also bleed will probably be broken in the water
covert birch
nah it can prolly work out
Just make things bleed out slower in the water
Comparatively to land stuff
That way ya can still swim without bleeding out instantly
dapper obsidian
Also large creatures should be absolutely diddled if they get stuck on land
latent cave
But arrmor will be, so dunklo could have a massive arrmor value in the frount well most other aquatics wpuld have low values, dunkleo would try to keep facing there target rather then run, simular to how seaturtals try to face there wide half to tiger sharks so they cant bite here edges
covert birch
Nah imo the thing that should have very large armor values would be like ammonites n such
THen dunkle
then sea scorps
dapper obsidian
Dunk is slow and prob can't turn
covert birch
Cuz at least sea scorps can hide in reefs n stuff
so they dont need to be as reliant on armor
dapper obsidian
I do want like pterygotus in game as the sea scorp
latent cave
Ammonites woupd have arrmor all around dunkleo wpuld have higher arrmor but juat in the front
dapper obsidian
Jaekelopterus, which is larger, was lake dwelling I believe
dapper obsidian
So that would not work in an ocean environment
covert birch
Jaeklo was both water and land iirc
latent cave
Not to mention dunkleo could easily bite though ammonite shells
covert birch
Yes but he wouldnt outspeed them
dapper obsidian
Jaekelo was yeah, but mostly freshwater though
covert birch
I doubt it would really matter what enviorment they would make jaekelo live in the game
dapper obsidian
I think megalograptus and pterygotus would be good eurypterid reps
covert birch
Cuz either way its an aquatic. Let it go where it wants. Just have its preferred food live in the ocean to keep it in that general area
latent cave
Have breath meter but for air rather then water
covert birch
That too
latent cave
For aquatic crestations they need most whatever to breath
So that could be done with a revirce breath meter
latent cave
@strange wave so do you want austro to be a small useless penguin instead of an actul austro? I mean it seems thats the case for most people.
They just want it to be a reskined penguin with no offence or terrestrial mobility
Well also being half its actual size
covert birch
@latent cave current stats are placeholder b/c its a nonsurvival
All dinos are being resized to maximun sizes
Also joke suggestions arent really tolerated
latent cave
@covert birch ... its not even average size if your compairing it to utah its like large juvi
covert birch
what?
if you are talking about its current weight
That exists b/c when it used to be able to pounce it could kill rexs
latent cave
Current in game austro is half size of utah with 1/4 the weight
covert birch
Yes and current austro doesnt matter
Cuz it isnt a survival dinosaur
When it is reworked to be put into survival
Stats will change
nonsurvival dinos atm arent meant to be balanced. They are either extra strong or extra weak due to the fact they were made for another period of the games history
When austro gets its rework which dondi said it is getting
Then the stats will change to actually work as a playable
latent cave
On an other note ostroraptor being an egg Theif is a myth even the person who named then that was sceptical of it, and further examination of the find that got them the reputation showed that is was actuly most likly the father roosting over the eggs protecting/warming them with its wings
latent cave
Oh yeah sorry
latent cave
I ment ovi
covert birch
Rex didnt have asthma irl
It does in here
From what we know ovi is gonna steal eggs. And when someone mentioned good mother ovi they said why not both
So ovi gonna be an egg stealer and a good mum
latent cave
Carno were also not that fast utahs were also more muscular ambush build rather then a speedster, and dilo not toxic well trodon does not exist and acro hunted large saurapods
Yes much of the isle is inacurate
latent cave
Dinos that break my heart though are austro, acro, and Deinocheirus...
Dondi said they wpuld not be adding Deinocheirus the bestist dino
covert birch
it isnt
latent cave
Isnt what
covert birch
bestist dino
latent cave
Its not the most powerful, but its the bestest, cuz thats a matter of oppionion
covert birch
it would be quite hard to make something that looks like a massive duck fit into the isles aesthetic of horror
Plus somewhat difficult to balance
Larger omnis are a hard thing to create without invalidating other members of the roster
Cuz they have more options then a plain carni or herbi
yet can get just as large
latent cave
If they have grappling then it can be a grapler/spacer hybred that would be an apex herbi basicly, but eat fish too
It has longest strongest arms of any land animal
covert birch
Think about it like this
Why would you go X big herbi
When you can go cherius who can survive easier due to having much more food options.
Fish + plants is quite a bit
covert birch
Never said it could
latent cave
Or
covert birch
Idk why cherry wouldnt be able to graze algae
Its basically the same thing in a diff enviorment
But can fish too
latent cave
Well yeah eat aquatic plants but i mean like grass
You cant just wonder anywhere you want grazing
covert birch
Also dont forget that kissen has shown interest in cherry
So you may get your bestist dino anyways
But yea no cherry wouldnt eat grass
latent cave
Cherry is deinocheirus? Right
latent cave
Anyways trike would be tankyer and more arrmored
Charry would be most prone to run from apex
But handle T4 and under well
latent cave
I meant like rexs or giga
covert birch
Wouldnt run there either
latent cave
I dont consider Deinosuchos an apex
covert birch
cuz rexs and gigas wont enter the water
Deino is an apex cuz filipe called it an apex
i didnt consider it one either
but the fact filipe remarked it's size he changed his mind and called it apex
After previously calling it not an apex
latent cave
I dont think charry should have to really fear or run from dieno as long as it avoids ambush
covert birch
that applies to literally everything
latent cave
Meanwhile charry wound be in water al the time and is only suited for wading not swiming, so it will probaly encounter rex or giga in witch case it should be able to run and it should run
covert birch
well with the fact things are gonna be slowed down in deeper waters
I doubt rexs and gigas would wanna risk it
When stuff on land is much more their strongsuit
latent cave
Evidence suggests charry was hunter by asian rex tarbo, it would likly run from them but could still put up a good fight
covert birch
Dont forget tarbo is 3 tons smaller than rex
latent cave
"Deinocheirus together strong"
I see them as a herding animal
That graze swamps
And when on land run from apex unless forced to fight
Unlike those trikes and stagos who where to stupid to adopt herding and were most likly solitary
fallen folio
@finite perch just not sure about the idea of herbivores chewing on skulls and bones...ive never seen any such behavior in nature like that...
covert birch
outlaw they do it all the time
latent cave
I have
covert birch
@fallen folio look up something called osteophagy
latent cave
I have seem cows and hosres ear bones and also small brilds and rodents
covert birch
Its when herbis eating bones
latent cave
Like chewing on a tree but its actuly a deer leg
fallen folio
@covert birch dang ye i just looked that up..ive never seen or even heard of that before...thats really neat!
thanks for telling me
fallen folio
i mean i ve seen videos of herbivores eating live birds and fish and other small things...which was horrifying to me at first..but ye i hadnt heard of the bone thing..yikes..herbies...hardly qualify as herbies anymore LOL
buoyant pike
Is there anything planned for cerato as in special sorts of gimmicks or features?
outer nebula
it can eat rotten gore
buoyant pike
Other than that? Its seems kinda sad from a gameplay perspective just being the trash man 😂
outer nebula
allo wont have much just a grapple, and for retrospect that a pretty game changing thing, were carnivores get sick from rottening flesh cerato can eat it
buoyant pike
I suppose, if stats are apparently changing I'm sure gameplay will feel better than it does now if every thing will be viable
My one concern is that most gore is eaten before it goes bad because things tend to just sit on bodies. And gore piles are hard to find everywhere but hot spots like party and such. But if ai is more common idk if that'll be true still🤷♂️
paper oriole
Bodies are left unattended on tons of servers that dont have the body down rule, the large bodies like those of apexes and brachi may start rotting before they can be finished in some cases
Bodies are found just laying around uneaten in officials all the time
strange wave
@marble egret next time you play rex press Z
thorny crag
ye slow walk is a thing already^^
it's not THAT slow tho but slow enough to look intimidating on most dinos (except on utah and dilo - they just look FABULOUS when z-walking)
ebon tiger
you know, let's be real here... as big as the Rex is, seems it would actually be incredibly quiet when walking, based on some studies of its feet.
imagine that. 7tons of car-crushing super-predator that can walk as silent as a fucking cat
now that is terrifying 😛
finite perch
@fallen folio i see! again, sorry for the bother. i can better explain now. a lot of megafauna need better access to things like calcium, phosphorous, and other minerals in order to keep their bones strong, so they often suck or chew on sunbleached bones from the environment to get the minerals that way. In areas without a lot of exposed minerals or mineral-rich water, it can only way to supplement them. Deer, giraffe, horses - all of them have been recorded fussing with bones in this manner, but giraffe do it so often that its considered common behavior. Its not a question of if other larger herbivores partake in it, its if it has been recorded or not. The bone is chewed and gnawed on, but isn't often physically eaten. Its even a source of joy for some animals, which I can see also being a player thing. if affinity is being implemented as it was toyed with months ago, i could see this being an affinity-related 'quest' so to speak.
fallen folio
thanks fraidycat ! i was told about osteophagy earlier in the chat, i was very surprised to hear it was an actual thing. one learns something new every day 😄
buoyant pike
Anyone have any idea if the camera perspective will be improved. Because the other day I found a Maia in trees and I lost it because I couldn't see it, muchless myself, because so much foliage was between the camera and MY dino. Idk if that's a problem for other ppl but I found it to kinda be frustrating, cuz it wouldnt be a problem in first person. Not that I want to play first person cuz then i couldn't see my dino
fallen folio
its a problem for others for sure 😄
buoyant pike
Ya it's really frustrating. I wish you could see the foliage that's higher than ur dino and behind it
latent cave
I just though of 3 designs for Austro variants, but i will wait till i draw them to add suggestion, one is a specialized aquatic strain that has smooth skin and alot of their feathers like on the tails and limbs and stuff are instead webed spines like fish fins also a different head and stuff but anyways, another one is based on the spino varient with no eyes i forget what its called, any ways it has no eyes, and a weird head with a forward facing strike on your top and botton jaw with the top one being larger, it was dark purpily gray skin win some dim biolumineses, and can become transparent, and the other one is a hypo, pased on other hypo look but no concreat image for it in my mind yet
grave karma
the spino strain is neurotenic @latent cave
buoyant pike
Any idea on stamina drain difference between running down and up hills?
grave karma
there is none
left nacelle
@dusky viper I think a better suggestion would be to make Pteranodon's calls louder than average in general. That seems a bit more fair
dapper obsidian
Man Rhizodus would be an absolute terror especially with the addition of flooding
thorny crag
that thing? aw man - spinofood mlem
why would they be terror? only for smol dinos ye but bigger ones have no probs
latent cave
What is that drawing its not a dunkleo, bit anyways spino would not hunt a 5-6 meter fish
Its a bit way to big for it to grab
latent cave
At most perhaps a 2m fish but that is streching it
Spino cant even fit it in its mouth
Thats way
thorny crag
no need to bro, just watch bears catching huge fish, they just catch them and eat them on land
or watch crocs catch a zebra
spino is freaggin huge, it can eat things if it can munch it
latent cave
Its skull is longer then its claws and snout is whats adapted for locating snd holding fish
thorny crag
ebon tiger
there's Onchopristis teeth embedded in the jaw of one of the Spino pieces we have, and those things get to 6m long
latent cave
Thats a purely artistic thing, they are holding a srmideep water fish(shark) well staning in shallow water
ebon tiger
if a Spino can catch a 6m sawfish, it can handle a 2m Rhizodus
latent cave
In an artists picture
thorny crag
it definately can handle bigger fish than just small ones, if it only ate small fish it would have just tiny teeth
latent cave
Its would not be able to even lift it up like that is it did grab them
ebon tiger
it has hands
latent cave
I know...
ebon tiger
and since it's bipedal, it could simply hold it with the jaws and hands and just drag it out
it's just like how bears drag small cetaceans out of the sea
thorny crag
latent cave
Go ahead and keep your self happy with the thought a spino would be fishing for things near half its size in shallow water where you would never find said prey item
You seem determined so i wont stop you
ebon tiger
you're assuming that large fish don't enter shallow water? some species really do that
hell, most shark attacks on humans happen in shallow water, by sharks that get up to 6m long or more
thorny crag
just look at bullshark
latent cave
Spinos still unlikly yo go for it
thorny crag
this shark is in a shallow river
ebon tiger
that bullshark is ideal supper for a hungry 15m Spino
ebon tiger
how big to you think bullsharks get? 5m easily
latent cave
Sharks you find in rivers are ussuly arpund 2m
ebon tiger
Tiger sharks can get bigger
thorny crag
let's just assume spino would prefer smaller fish but what if it has not caught any in some time, it would eat any size if it's hungry
ebon tiger
also, what about sturgeon and arapaima? both are massive fish, and arapaima also frequently come into shallow waters
your entire argument hinges on the belief that large fish somehow are either unable or unwilling to enter shallow waters, which is demonstrably false
thorny crag
if we just compare the size of those two and see if spino in his size would eat a fish that size... spino even had teeth
ebon tiger
and even then, Spino is pretty damn big, even with the short legs it's currently thought to have so what's shallow for it, is deep for us
thorny crag
pelican eats fish half of its own size and they have no teeth
plus they have such thin necks but still lift big fish
they are related too xD
latent cave
Res and pelokins have specialings jaws and necks for that, spino skull and neck cant swallow a 6m fish who is over 1 wide
ebon tiger
doesn't have to. it could just haul that thing out and rip it apart
thorny crag
but I get what you mean - I also think if it can catch smaller fish it would have but still think that if it's hungry it definately would catch bigger specimen too. yes and it can rip fish apart too
latent cave
Ideal fith would be around 1-2m for spino bigger is a waste of effort
thorny crag
pelican has to swallow whole cause it has no teeth
ebon tiger
it wouldn't be a waste of effort, really
6m fish could probably feed that Spino for a whole day
thorny crag
onchopristis and lungfish are just long but noth thick, they would easily fit in its mouth
idk how much food a fullgrown spino would need but probably
ebon tiger
well, depends on the mass of the fish in question, but still, that's a lot of food on one meal
so the effort is rewarded
latent cave
The picture of the fish you called spino food was 6 m long and over 1m wide
ebon tiger
also, i just realised what channel this is, should we take this to #paleotalk ?
thorny crag
just imagine if it had a tongue with bait on it, like some fish and tortoise have - it can just lie on the ground in the water and wait for big fish
aye probs a good idea
to me that fish in the pic is 4m long and not 1m wide
to me it looks like perfect fit but thats really just my opinion
latent cave
Any ways isle spino is fiction, it can hunt whatever, have it eat things half its size or bigger doesnt matter
3m long skull with specialized shape to hold fish less then the size of its head, 6m long 1.2m wide fish. Yup perfect fit, it'l just chop it in half with its foot long claws(large end). Sounds like the perfect fit somehow
ebon tiger
cut the sarcasm
nobody wants to discuss things with people who turn into assholes when they don't like what they're hearing
latent cave
I tryed to end the discussion several times beforehand, expressing that your free to belive whatever but that I simily would not agree with it, you kept on trying to force me to agree with you, so its a bit ironic that you say tha
dapper obsidian
The advantage Rhizodus has is not having to come for air
ebon tiger
Kitsu, i wasn't forcing anyone to agree with anything
and neither myself nor Susu started turning on the sarcasm after we'd both stopped
you did that. just you
thorny crag
why end the discussion? xD we are just sharing opinions, don't get butthurt
covert birch
Yall just had a discussion on whether spino can deepthroat big fish
I'm sure that it needed to end
thorny crag
xD ok, fair enough
covert birch
Nah but rhizodus would make a good aquatic boi
It's basically a fish shaped deino but in the ocean
thorny crag
ye really kinda wanna see it ingame, would be a good fit
covert birch
Anybody one the shore can get jumped
thorny crag
this badboy would be awesome too xD
outer nebula
@marble egret the ai system is being reworked, and wont be spawning around carnivores anymore
random imp
this badboy would be awesome too xD
@thorny crag periofatlmus is not a big fish tho, it fits in a hand, maybe as small ai for babies to hunt
dapper obsidian
@covert birch it would be cool in the ocean, however it's a swamp dwelling creature. I think it would probably be a mid tier in freshwater areas
thorny crag
I know but just imagine it being as big as sucho xD just kidding tho, iknow those are tiny
ebon tiger
well, there's some sizeable extinct fish that could've crawled onto land like Mudskippers
like Hyneria
dapper obsidian
Weaker than sucho and spino, but more than enough to terrorize most things in that ecosystem
Hyneria is quite similar to Rhizodus, but smaller and thinner
ebon tiger
they're different types of fish, aye?
i don't think Rhizodus could move onto land, as far as i'm aware?
ebon tiger
ah i thought Rhizodus was smaller and a different type of lobe-fin (the kind that can't leave water)
though Prehistoric Wildlife scales are also pretty shit, so maybe find a better one?
they've a reputation for having botched scales
dapper obsidian
True, but Rhizodus is definitely correct there
In fact, hyneria is probably a little large there
Being about 3.7m max
Hyneria would probably be low tier, Rhizodus being Mid and Deino being apex
Now we probably need a large tier
Although sucho works, something specific to swampy environments would be cool
thorny crag
do people suggest things without even reading what will come after evrima?
icy lion
seems like those people make the majority of suggestions
random imp
yhea, there are a lot of dumb, unnecessary and troll suggestions. 90% of them have already an answer.
left nacelle
Well, that's to be expected when you have a suggestions channel on a discord based around a dinosaur game. We're lucky to even have a suggestions channel
random imp
no, is not to be expected, and what does it means is about dinosaurs!? that is not a variable in my sentence.
covert birch
@barren zephyr when suggesting dinos to add you need to give reasoning for it other than "i want it b/c is cool"
Also saurolophus is basically a para/shant clone
buoyant pike
@latent cave Actually saw fish are rays pushes up glasses
latent cave
If dunkleo is added it would be an aqautic apex, unless things like magalodon where also added. Dunkleo is a 10 meter arrmored fish with blade like fused teeth able to bite though hard ammor with a bite force of around 6000n it could likly bite a Deinosuchos in half or bite of the limbs or head of a spino if they encountered in the water
covert birch
it would be midtier
latent cave
Spino is 14-16m long but dunkleo would have a bulkier body and probaly would have weighed more
What is certain however is spino would be useless aggint a dunkleo was its arms and head can both fit in its mouth to get amputated if they try using them to grab it
covert birch
ocean enviorment dunkle = midtier
If it magically got inland it would be apex
Remember ingame amputation isnt gonna be a thing
latent cave
Yeah i know dunkleo would not even fit in rivera
covert birch
someone injects it
latent cave
Also i know no dismemberment, but in game im pretty sure it would die if its head got bit by one
Probaly not the tail or body thpugh
latent cave
Dunkleo would probaly have bone break and arrmor pen
random imp
like a real bad battle damage
like a rex missing an arm or a para missing a piece of tail
'cuz mortal dismemberment i think will be a thing in the future
like head/leg missing and stuff like that
time ago dondi showed dismember mesh in a stream
latent cave
I belive that only for bodies though like how compies can take off small bits large dinos can take who limbs and organs
random imp
nah it was a much older thing
like 3 years ago
but yhea is only for dead things
but see a mangled corpse with head and limbs missing 'd be awesome
" a big and brutal thing is around"
latent cave
Well it was also announced that flesh grazing would also not be a thing, witch sucks for the allosaurids and small raptor and such, allosaurids like allo, giga and acro were flesh grazers who all hunted larger dinos by riping chunks out. Well may people also wish velo and compi would rip out chunks after latching on, however the in order to balence the system there would have to be long term injuries so they cant exploit food by just riping chunks out of a shant or something and letting to heal and repeating. But no one want to spend hours healing, its like no one has ever been an acro
covert birch
when was flesh grazing deconfirmed?
latent cave
I think
covert birch
Like mechanically it can work without actually ripping parts of a model off.
But when did they say it aint happening
latent cave
I though dondi said in a steam but i wight habe misremembered
And yeah dont have to do mech deformations just longer lasting injuries to reflect it that heal slower then normal
*mesh
covert birch
Imo flesh grazin can work like
Giga grapples someone -> wins grapple -> Takes a peace off(mechanically, not animated) and stops the giga from losing hunger for like 5 minutes but doesnt increase the food itself
imo it shouldnt gain food cuz then like
A cama for example can mixpack with a giga. Giga defends cama while every so often nomming it a lil bit
latent cave
I sugested before they have a box for a wound status simular to how there is leg break and bleed, witch is basicly just a max hp or stamina debuff before, but that is also a good idea but whats to stop a giga from still packing with cama and taking a bite every 5 min?
covert birch
True
Maybe it has a reduced food loss
Like instead of losing lets say 10% every 5 mins
You lose only 3
In the end giga still has to hunt
Just not as often
latent cave
Yeah that would be good it could be the satiate status from bob kinda you could then hunt a pue or cama to buy your self more time to find food or kill the cama with out being able to survive just taking occasional bites
covert birch
@marble egret dondi said they wont be doing grapple matches for carried food/multiple dinos carrying food b/c it would break a server
marble egret
okay.
latent cave
I want hypo austro be the strongest dino in the game though, less they change their mind on not having deinocheirus, then hypo-Deinocheirus should be the strongest
covert birch
if anything is the strongest it would be matriarch
latent cave
Hypo Deinocheirus could have 4 arms instead if 2 with 4 longer claws each instead if 3 each
covert birch
that would be more of a tisso thing
or matriarch thing
latent cave
Deinocheirus already has largest and strongest arms of any land animal
Just make then twice as big and add 2 more with an extra claw each
It would just grapple othe dino and rip them in half
paper oriole
Hypo deinovheirus could have elbow blades like an edgy anime antagonist
latent cave
Meanwhile there should be an austro strain that has a giggle attack that causing its target to go crazy and hallucinate till their head explodes (joking)
But it would be cool to have a giggle strain that causes people to hallucinate more giggles and have its sounds be heard in random directions by there listener rather then in the right direction
Mixed with a large booste in leathality such a giggle strain would be horriftying to fight at night
covert birch
ide rather have austro be put into survival first before they start makin strain ideas
pure vigil
You can already sort of do that when you have a good sized pack going on, minus the whole strain thing. It's an intimidating thing to be in the middle of.
covert birch
it isnt cuz austros dont deal damage
pure vigil
I should have clarified, I meant a pack of like...dilos or something.
covert birch
that makes more sense
pure vigil
If you're quick, you can make a pack sound much bigger than it is.
latent cave
But it there is a single austro as strong as an allo but far faster that can make it feel lile there is a whole pack... that would be way worse then dinos in terms of fear unless your already a weak dino
The one spino stain they siad woulld be able to hypnotize dinos
latent cave
Oh
covert birch
Only thing that interacts with other dinos is the fact it drinks them
pure vigil
I wouldn't fear it any worse than any other apex. You duck down in a safety pine and shut up.
And yeah, the spino can communicate with any species and...control weather? Iirc?
covert birch
Iirc EMP = fucks with human stuff and weather
strain wise neuros seem to be the ones who mess with humans the most
pure vigil
God, that thing would be terrifying as a merc.
Imagine having generators or some kind of shoddy electricity going, and suddenly...it just goes out and the footsteps start.
covert birch
Then out of nowhere a spike comes out of the shadow and starts drinkin outa your friends head
latent cave
Hallucination giggle stain would be stronger and fastrr then dilo and you dont know what one is real when they charge you so you could try to attack one and it end up being a fake as it gets you from behind
covert birch
latent cave
Dilos are a 1 hit for most dinos and an easy one at that unless your a rex or somthing that cant turn
pure vigil
Imagine being the merc wandering around in the darkness with a flashlight or something and then coming across the shriveled body of your buddy, like the results of the spino finding them first...
Or hearing it with only a struggling flashlight for light and the occasional flash of lightning.
covert birch
Then ya walk slightly closer to the sounds and ya flashlight shuts off randomly
then stomp..... stomp...... stomp.......
Stabby and slurp noise
pure vigil
Like a capri sun pouch
covert birch
Pretty much XD
pure vigil
Legit debating on putting up some horror ideas in the suggestions channel now. 
covert birch
well dondi does want his survival horror
So everything we just said will prolly happen
latent cave
I just came up with 2 cool looking scenes of the hypo-Deinocheirus one is with it pinning down a hyporex with its 4 arms with its lowered and above it roaring, and the other is simular but instead its just pining down the head of a rex with one hand well its holds a human in the other with its neak snaking above with its head dangling just above the human ready to bite it, but then i realized that wpuld have to be a massive human. Anyways the image i have of hypo Deinocheirus is basicly a giant one with a drangon-monster head with arrmor plates going down its neck and back to about the middle of its hump that resemble the pates on other hypos, with long feathers coming out from under the plates behind the hump that blend with shorter feathers on the long tail witch has spikes mixed in among the feathers at the end, it has powerful legs with hoof like toe claws on its feel like a normal one, but has 4 arms instead of 2 that are more muscular and have 4 claws instead of 3 claws each all of witch are longer then normal with long spikes on each elbow
I am going to have to modle it but ima put it off will i have free days off work
pure vigil
@hoary token
I see you with that suggestion 👀
pure vigil
But that helicopter thing is good too!
Like I doubt we'll have aircrafts, but imagine like...an old jeep or something that you can repair. You're driving along and suddenly the headlights go out.
....the spino's ability to affect electricity and storms could be something that contributed to the mercs being stranded. Are they even stranded? I assumed they were.
hoary token
no, I was referring to a video that showcased Paradym saying something about helis. specifically the Little bird.
But imagine that. You are driving and your engine cuts out. your lights go dark and you hear a rumbling from the breath of a large spino.
pure vigil
OH! I didnt know about that! Oh shit.
left nacelle
I believe the Tisso is gonna have an EMP blast ability, I could be mistaken tho @hoary token
last heath
that would be neuro. neuro spino has some weird fucky eletromagnetic thingy that fucks with your optic nerves
tisso would be the stealthy spicky venom creatures, but nothing is confirmed
covert birch
@left nacelle something like that wouldnt stop the cluttering suggestions that just say "please as x" cuz there are already rules about that. They just dont read em. A rule like this would just stop those who do take the time and effort to make a good dino suggestion not be able to make one
Especially since the devs have never asked and prolly will never ask about needing a certain dino
@barren zephyr you arent allowed to just say "add x dino" b/c it's cool
You need to give mechanics, playstyle, etc
barren zephyr
alright
velvet fox
ornithocheirus didnt have a 10m wingspan
past eagle
About the neuro strain it is able to blurr your vision if you are too close to it
Iirc
barren zephyr
@velvet fox this is for the game, not for reality
random imp
the game is based on reality, why change the wingspan if that is not the real thing?
paper oriole
Prestosuchus and saurosuchus > postosuchus
thorny crag
The eating from nest will stay according to the Q&A
Maybe the adults will puke on the nest to fill it? Would be lovely
Just imagine being a fresh hatchling and the first thing u see is ur momma puking on you xD
still temple
honestly yeah, while this is still a far cry from neckflap, it's certainly closer than Magyarosaurus
covert birch
I think when Bryan was saying its heavier than allo he was just unsure about its weight instead of actually saying it will be
ashen elm
I thought that too, but he also said slightly smaller than Allo which I took to mean height. Which still doesn't make sense to me. Unless he was completely off, which is possible lol.
Still like I said in the document, I'm not really scrutinizing his statement to that extent, I'm mainly proposing another insular dwarf to replace Magy because a) it looks much more similar to the Isle's design and 2) its bigger, big enough to defend against mid-tier.
covert birch
Well the whole bison size thing isnt much smaller than allo
ashen elm
Bison is 1.3 tons, Allo is 3 tons. That is BIG difference.
covert birch
I mean height
Not weight
Left is irl size
Right is bison size
Bryan said he used the one on the right for its size
ashen elm
That's still around 2 and half tons, like I said in the document, if you're doubling it's weight just make it another species. It doesn't look anything like Magyarosarus in the first place anyway.
covert birch
I mean weight wise I understand the difference and how mad it is
But the animal itself is not that far
Iirc magy is theorized to have osteoderms
And the neck flap can be put on anything
Size is the only real issue
ashen elm
IDK this
https://imgur.com/9RbTQdU
Looks so different from Magy.
The only thing that is remotely similar is the torso.
Like I said, it's better to rename to another genus which it actually looks like.
ashen elm
That's because Magy is fragmentary and we didn't know much about it until recently. It's more closely related to thin but taill bois (Rapteosaurus) as portrayed above.
covert birch
Is it more or less fragmentary than minmi?
What do we actually have skeleton wise of magy
ashen elm
Probably just as bad. It's not that we don't have material, it's that we don't know what the heck the genus is. There were multiple titanosaurs on Hateg which makes it confusing. Maybe as many as four.
covert birch
Inb4 magy is just a juvi titanosaur
Nah but imo the name change itself is fine in the cass Bryan is correct and it does become heavier
If it doesnt idk if its necessary
ashen elm
lol it's not, the specimens we do have are skeletal mature. But what it actually looks like is still highly speculative.
Still it does point more to proportions like above than whatever the Isle Magy is based off of.
ashen elm
Thats fine, I'm not sure how serious Bryan was, I just found it convenient that there are insular dwarfs that are more viable than Magy and look closer to it's actual design.
covert birch
@barren zephyr current stats are changing. Including weight especially since it wont affect combat anymore
sonic cloud
So it’s fine that a Utah adult weighs 1000kg and that pachy and dilo are both over 1 tonne
But yeah it’s the helpless ones that are the problem
pure vigil
I would love juvies and hatchlings to have the ability to play with one another! Especially the carnivores. Play hunting is a huge thing for irl carnivore babies.
barren zephyr
@pure vigil cute and useful
pure vigil
Plus it would give people something to do while they grow
barren zephyr
Yeah
But mainly cute. Imagine that you are a trike adult and you see 2 juvi trikes playing
pure vigil
I've already seen (and maybe participated) in people playing tag or hide and seek.
Aw! Like headbutting
barren zephyr
Yes exactly
With their tiny horns
And hide and seek for dryos and gallis. Because they don’t have to train to fight, just avoid carnis
pure vigil
Baby gallis playing tag and flopping around like happy baby emu.
barren zephyr
Nice 
pure vigil
Honestly I imagine a lot of hatchlings (at least the bipedal ones) behaving a lot like baby emu
Would it be against the rules to link to a video as an example?
covert birch
Playing should be an equivalent to other stuff that is optional imo
No boost but you can do it
Just like mud wallowing and horn scratching on trees
pure vigil
And yeah optional but helps you grow
barren zephyr
Better
covert birch
Growing faster sure
No buffs tho
barren zephyr
Ok wanna Edit
pure vigil
covert birch
Baby gerry > that emu
pure vigil
Oh absolutely but I couldn't pick just ONE example of Gerry being perfect
pure vigil
But hatchling dinos being...idk, awkward and having no real control over themselves
covert birch
I have a few gifs on my PC that Bryan posted bout Gerry
indigo sun
@calm summit AI won't spawn or behave anything like they do in the current game in the future. They wont spawn solely to carry apexes to adult, they'll spawn around the map and behave similar to players unlike the braindead chunks of meat we've got now.
barren zephyr
That when you wanna play you get close to the other and interact you roll around or crouch friendly or move backwards?
covert birch
Playing mechanics shouldnt go that deep
Just let people fight as juvis without actually dealing damage
covert birch
Each dino already has 100+ anims
If ya add playing itll prolly be a shitton more
barren zephyr
Yes you are right
indigo sun
or sorry, perhaps i misread. On the second point of the ai suggestion, Apexes should be difficult to grow and youre going to have the exact same issues with player apexes killing you. if theres ai going around killing off apexes its for the better
barren zephyr
I want to count anims
covert birch
Not in here
barren zephyr
In off topic?
calm summit
@indigo sun To me that's like arguing that more players should play apexes to kill the apexes. It creates this vicious cycle, and all it ends up achieving is making half the server play apex. With that already being a problem, adding AI apexes to the mix would just mean you have even more problems.
covert birch
He is literally saying the opposite
pure vigil
@cerulean rune
I was actually just talking to a couple people about that the other day! I would love some of the herbivores to be able to eat plants from along the river or ponds or something
covert birch
He is saying apexs will be hard to grow due to difficulties and AI apexs cannibalizing
That would deter players from playin it
calm summit
Apex players already kill each other and "discourage" people from playing apex. That doesn't stop people from playing them.
They'd be better off making Strains do that job instead of making AI abnormally aggressive towards each other.
indigo sun
Strains are too rare for that to even be a good deterrent
covert birch
The ai isnt the only deterrent
The difficulty and time it takes to grow apexs will be a deterrent too
Especially with all growth times increasing
indigo sun
Im not saying make AI apexes abnormally aggressive, but they'll definitely be more likely to pick off the smaller apexes, meaning theyll be able to keep the population in check better.
And yeah growth in general will be more difficult.
covert birch
Apex growth = dark souls of isle wen
calm summit
@covert birch you mean decreasing? Last I heard it was player dependent. Long if you afk, shorter if you actively fulfill your objectives
covert birch
Increasing
indigo sun
Well growth times will be increasing ingeneral but players woll. Be able to decrease them ontheir pwn
covert birch
But you will be able to decrease it
indigo sun
Jesus ive got fat thumbs
calm summit
Right, so faster than they are now if they're fulfilling whatever objectives the devs put in place. Slower if you choose to do nothing.
calm summit
Theoretically.
covert birch
Depends on the dino
My guess is
Afk = double now
New average growth = 1.5x current
At best = current
So for example for rex
Afk = 12 hrs
Average = 9
Best = 6
calm summit
Either way, I don't mind AI apexes existing to kill off juvie apexes, but as specified, I'd like to see new ai apexes stop spawning once a fully grown adult apex exists. If nothing else a significant decrease in spawn rates, or even just removed within an radius of an existing player adult.
covert birch
Well imo just 1 shouldnt stop ai from spawning
calm summit
Having a nice spread of where apexes are and simulating terratories would be kinda fun.
covert birch
Imo it should be the more players of X species less ai spawn of it
And this can apply for all dinos
Para ai doesnt spawn if theres like 30+ paras on a server
But spawns semi-often when its like 10
Rex ai doesnt spawn if theres like 10 per server
But it does otherwise
random imp
Dondi said in the QnA that if a player behaves like is supposed to and eats what he need to will have the growth time x3 faster than current, instead It you ark grow you are gonna tale x3 slower
calm summit
I just wanted to propose the idea, to maybe have the devs put some thought into this inclusion of AI apexes. There's room to change my idea into something more functional. I just feel on Thenyaw it would be kinda ridiculous
covert birch
thenya is being replaced tho
calm summit
Rebuilt.
random imp
Is a lot bigger
calm summit
Bigger because there are less mountains.
covert birch
Playable landmass is bigger
Overall size = smaller
Overall size includes all the areas ya cant go to ingame atm as thenyaw + the ocean
calm summit
Yes, but my point being that on a small map like this. AI apexes could really be a menace and negatively affect gameplay for the playerbase. If we have both AI and actual players consisting of a majority of the player count on a small map all playing apex, we have a similar problem to what we have already.
covert birch
well ai rexs would obv not be common compared to ai currently
Hell doubt there would be more than like 5
calm summit
Yeah but divide a map like thenyaw into territories that these AI and nomadic players explore, and you've got a large chunk of the map being covered by apex players.
covert birch
Well again with the difficulty that apexs will have growing
calm summit
I think it would help a lot to have them stop spawning if they have an adult or two on the server.
indigo sun
5 ai plus like 15 players with how growth will work isnt isnt a huge majority
covert birch
^
indigo sun
Not even 15 maybe
calm summit
Well, I guess if we're being optimistic about apex balance.
covert birch
I mean based on how dondi was saying
he wants apexs to basically be fucked over while growing
calm summit
Which I personally have very little faith will be properly balanced and be that much more difficult to grow.
I just don't want to see 20 apexes covering every corner or thenyaw making life a constant struggle for other playables.
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covert birch
20 apexs prolly wouldnt really fill new thenya tho
Like every cube seen on the overhead would have a single apex
calm summit
I played on current thenyaw with only 30 players total.
covert birch
i dont got the images with the squares
so kinda hard to see where im gettin at
but there is a version of that pic with squares basically showing "chunks" of the island
there were about 20 of em iirc
calm summit
My experience is 70% thenyaw 30% V3
and in my experience Thenyaw feels more full with 30 players than a V3 server that's full. 20 apexes would be a crippling majority.
covert birch
i havent played thenyaw enough to really comment
But my guess is thenya will go to around 100 players on average
At least new thenya
calm summit
100 player thenyaw is unplayable.
covert birch
That is why i said new thenya
Plus you seem to forget things like migration paths + extreme small guys being added will play quite the factor
calm summit
What does migration have to do with apexes.
covert birch
Apexs follow migrating herds. Keep em moving
calm summit
I'm under the impression it's entirely food related.
covert birch
herds will outmove em until they reach a spot they wanna stay at
Yes migration = food related
But a trex will wanna follow where its food is goin
Plus remember hotspots wont be a thing anymore either
People wont be able to stay in 1 general area forever
calm summit
and if there are too many of them on a server with only like 50 players on a good day, you have an overpopulation issue. AI apexes will add to the numbers and will likely fail to deter players.
covert birch
And from personal experience
More movement = less of a crowded feel
yes but that is in the case all the apexs are logged on at the same time
Which is not likely to be the case
When i said 20 apexs previously
i meant like total
Not online at once
calm summit
People play together, there will likely be packs spread across the map helping maintain each other by cooperating in kills, covering enough ground to find food to sustain each other, and all it usually takes is one player reaching adult to achieve that.
covert birch
There wont be enough food to feed 20 apexs players
At least in a general area
hell doubt there will be enough food to feed a pack of 4
calm summit
With AI apexes around and spawning every so often, combined with other existing AI, why wouldn't there be.
covert birch
Cuz ai wont spoon feed people anymore
calm summit
That's not to say 2 players couldn't team up and kill another rex AI for the food it would provide both of them
covert birch
Yes but that comes with risk too
Especially with the fact ai overall not just apexs are gonna be scary
calm summit
The point is, Apex AI is a problem in combination with the existing apex playerbase. I see a lot of problems with it.
Their existence doesn't solve anything once players finally reach adult.
They should exist up until adults are around, than stop spawning to not feed the player apexes, not cause any frustration by killing player apexes, and not contribute to apex overpopulation
They'll annoy new players, help verteren players, and just cause a lot of problems with how I see things.
covert birch
Alright back
So heres the thing
1: Apex overpopulation wont be happening anymore. The literal point is that these guys will either leave veteran players wounded after fights giving other players or ai an oppurtunity to kill em, or kill off people who are new (even tho new players wont be able to grow apexs due to difficulty)
2: A player who is adult can still lose to an ai. They aint gonna be an easy fight like now
hell the only time i expect apex overpop to resurge is on servers that would inject them
calm summit
I feel your underestimating our playerbase, and overestimating what the devs will be able to achieve with AI while maintaining balance.
All it takes is a male and female rex to reach adulthood.
Once you reach that point I don't see what the devs could resonably balance into the game that can prevent players from doing what they do now.
I don't want AI to add to this. Yes apexes will presumably harder to grow, but all it takes is 2 dedicated people to raise an army.
covert birch
2 dedicated people wont be wiping servers out
And ai wont be spawning near em either
AI so far we know will be "scary"
according to foz
A combination of
Ai being much harder to kill (either by them fighting back or running away) + Apexs bein much harder to grow = Apexs will be less common
And yes good players will find ways to survive
buyt thats the idea
only good players survive
calm summit
I want a more interesting ecosystem to live in where I don't have to turn every corner worried there's going to be another apex for me to struggle to escape.
covert birch
and that is what will happen
Apexs wont be everywhere
Ai will be more common
But not free food
And things that makes sense to be hard to grow
will be hard to grow
calm summit
especially with corpse dragging and the meat chunk mechanic being added. I don't see why good players couldn't guarantee the growth of bad players
covert birch
cuz by the time those bad players reach adult for example
There wont be food to feed all 3
Cuz ai wont spawn near players anymore
dim ore
you are probably going to have to deal with ai apexes hunting you if you also choose to play an apex...that will make for far more people hating of ai apexes..than on actual player apexes...the real players will be too scared to come out of hiding lest the ai all eat them up. lol
covert birch
Ai isnt gonna be
Oh im hungry theyll spawn near me but be harder to kill
Ai is gonna be
They spawn around the map and i have to actually search and hunt them
Or they search and hunt me
calm summit
Yes I know. Ai apexes all the time is just going to cause problems if my predictions for the game's balance is correct. I'll just wait and see.
covert birch
@thorny lynx they cant do that b/c the dinosaurs havent been scaled yet
thorny lynx
Dondi showed a video of Rex and Spino next to a human
The new spino looks massive compared to the old one.
covert birch
stuff like teno for example isnt
Utah too
asked bryan on a previous stream to put teno next to utah
or magy next to allo
He said they werent scaled
thorny lynx
Aw.
ebon tiger
@velvet fox nice idea, but The Isle is set in modern day, so there's likely not going to be much extinct plantlife around
velvet fox
I mean if they've got extinct animals surely they could have plants too?
random imp
Nah,we are in the modern world, Fuck ancient plants. We'll have mutated plants.
velvet fox
Mutated plants to look like ancient plants 
strange wave
no mutated 800 foot tall trees that want to eat you alive
velvet fox
Extra tall, climbable trees would be kinda spunky doe 👌 👈
paper oriole
Volcanic areas where taller dinos could last longer or outright outreach the toxic air would be neat. Also muddy fields that become hazardous to large animals after a long rain but small dinos can run over with less worry would be cool too
icy lion
@timber totem dinos will become hoarse after spamming
thorny crag
Adding extinct plant species would be cool but does not make sense in the game as it's current time (or future)
velvet fox
Mate you could say the exact same thing about dinosaurs haha
empty dove
@left nacelle not all predators had binocular vision
thorny crag
it's a dinosaur game O.O
thorny crag
I like the paw paw idea
covert birch
Any fruit can fit the paw paw thing
Like imagine ankys living near shores and using its tail to break coconuts that fell or to knock coconuts off trees
ebon tiger
well true, though only Anky would likely be able to open them
well, perhaps Trike could bite into them
covert birch
Pachy trike diablo
covert birch
I mean
If it needs food it needs food
paper oriole
Not too small to crack a coconut with its beak tip
ebon tiger
i suppose
thorny crag
mmhhh I'm getting hungry... would love to charge some fruity trees
last heath
Ok but...
Coconut falls off tree, hits stego's head, stego dies
sonic cloud
Whack the tree with it’s tail
ebon tiger
i suppose for simplicity, harder fruit like coconuts could split or shatter on impact with the ground
thorny crag
nah but it will kill juvies and hatchlings XD just imagine . death by coco
sonic cloud
That’s too funny to exclude tbh
dim ore
i would love to have a map with ancient plants as an option..though i have a feeling we will have to wait for modders to make it happen.
covert birch
Compys in a lil dried river on the beach running from a coconut Indiana Jones style
ebon tiger
@nocturne oasis you might want to fix that typo
indigo sun
oh jeez i thought that suggestion was going in an entirely different direction
left nacelle
@nocturne oasis I think the colors idea is cool, but the eye disorder thing could be a bit unfair, unless you just mean a visual thing like redness in the eye or something. Also, ya might wanna fix that typo 
covert birch
Imagine being nested in with eye issues then being like
Oh rng fucked me
And then getting a new egg
Itll have no purpose unless like there is some benefit to surviving with these issues to adulthood
left nacelle
That's why I think it'd be good if it was only a visual thing. Like a scar in your eye or a cloudy eye or something
covert birch
We did get told a while ago eye customization with colors would happen
left nacelle
True. But I think the ability to willingly add scars and "injuries" would be overused cause people wanna make their animals look edgy. It would be neat if they could rarely happen when you hatched from an egg
Could add a little more impact to dying. You don't wanna lose that cool rare scarred eye Utahraptor
covert birch
Or maybe scared versions of dinos can be skin rewards from achievements
So like ya do X very difficult thing
You get a achieve
You get a skin b/c you got the achieve
left nacelle
That would be neat
Personally, I'm all for the idea of skin patterns and stuff coming from achievements
Adds something to do
left nacelle
Yeah, make the really cool looking ones locked behind hard achievements like "Raise 5 offspring without a single one dying" or something lol
covert birch
Nah too easy
Should be pass elder perks along 5 consecutive lives or somethin like that
left nacelle
Yeah, I was just thinking. Achievements like that can be easily abused. Just get a group of friends together to help you out with them and done
The elder one you said is a better idea
covert birch
Or just pick non long growth dinos
Like have 5 hypsi kids and they get adult in 45 mins no issues
left nacelle
Yeah. You gotta make them non-multiplayer oriented, or else that can easily be abused
finite elm
I hope my dinosaurs are porn with white spots
craggy scarab
@nocturne oasis best to fix the typo else the suggestion will be removed.
twin cedar
I removed it, feel free to repost it with the typo fixed.
nocturne oasis
Sorry bout that, but yes i was suggesting not any vision or bad thing to make it unfair, i was talking only visual
ebon tiger
no no, the problem was you made an unfortunate typo
nocturne oasis
oh yea ik, i was referring to @covert birch as in no vision disorder
paper oriole
Scars should have a chance appear on your dino when you reach 3rd screen from wounds, not be a hatchling skin or base customization lol
Then you can see who has survived many battles and think twice before picking a fight with them
covert birch
Dondi said they cant do that
Said something along the lines of generating every player, with every scar, and then adding new scars = lags servers
iirc
paper oriole
Oof
paper oriole
tbh the puke should just be toggleable in settings and be a dry heave for the people who have it off, there shouldn't be a mechanic preventing careless players from being punished by rotten meat
past eagle
yeah i don't see the point of completely not allowing you to eat from a rotten carcass
cuz if you're gonna starve you might as well try your luck
night mountain
its true, most large carnivores can and will eat some pretty nasty shit sometimes
still temple
epic fish
night mountain
they literally look like star wars creatures
covert birch
@quiet horizon when suggesting dinos you cant just say
"X is cool, I wanna see it ingame"
You need to give mechanics, playstyle, etc
Not only that but the sizechart you used is from an inaccurate site (prehistoric wildlife)
quiet horizon
What is an accurate size chart then?
covert birch
Most other things
But the chart itself isnt as much of an issue as the lack of substance
quiet horizon
I'm honestly not sure what else I can say about the Iguanadon that your supposed to suggest to have the devs add em
covert birch
Like a mechanic or something
Good example would be kingjaffad's iguanadin suggestiin
Basically he made it a grappling herbi
quiet horizon
I'm still kind of at a loss..
covert birch
Not much to be confused about
Give your dino a unique mechanic, or make it have a unique playstyle when suggesting it
Unique mechanics can be similar to combat stuff like allo grapple, Utah pounce, pachy bb and run, etx
Unique playstyles can just be explaining how it would be different to current dinos
(In iguano case para and maia)
night mountain
covert birch
Pokemon and retrosaur mod wen
night mountain
i don't even play the games but want a monster hunter one really bad
safe galleon
@cinder arrow I think that's a better question for #401464048610312195 but places that people gather are mostly great falls, twins
I could dm a map if you want
quiet horizon
Speaking of Mods for Pokemon instead of Dinos, would be cool to see a mod that changes dinosaurs into Godzilla monsters
indigo sun
I dont think #general-feedback is where mods are supposed to be discussed/suggested. That channel is for suggestions for what the devs should do
barren zephyr
Halszkaraptor yay or nay
night mountain
yeah beip is so close to its playstle id guess it probably wont happen
still temple
water compy 
barren zephyr
Isn’t austro supposed to be more of a heron? Will austro dive? Haszka supposedly dives like a seaduck. Beipi is also a herbivore
covert birch
So 4 issues with halska
1: Only difference to beipi is diet. And diff diet prolly ain't enough to warrant a playable
2: Halzka is literally the size of a compy. The catfish we are getting ingame are large enough to eat compy
3: Halska is so small it would have to be a pure fisher gameplay wise (and that's only if they add fish small enough) pure fishers barely effect the ecosystem if at all.
4: Austro prolly ain't gonna be heron like since sucho seems to be going a route similar to that. (Personally for austro I would want it to fish like a kingfisher that dives of mangroves)
violet light
this might be a thing but if your playing as a trodon or a dillo that as already bitten someone will their be a diffent secnt to follow like how a komoto dragon finds its pray after bitting it hinting to were they are hidding if you lose the blood trail
covert birch
that is confirmed
At least so far for dilo
Idk if they mentioned it on troodon tho
blazing charm
@quiet horizon To give you a bit of a hand. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ertq3v4WMFqbQGUVrAB5EGN0i_nkdRZZzqFoboU3hq8/edit?usp=sharing
quiet horizon
Oh well, so long as one was suggested already, I'm gold. I just want them in the game.
blazing charm
Oh no, it's totally fine to suggest something regardless. I just wanted to offer what I've suggested, maybe give a bit of inspiration.
analog ingot
ok so I've been thinking what else is there after u've grown up and done some nesting. Prehaps the ''tokens''/elder system will make up for that but a fun idea is to be able to nest AI babies and form your own herds/family as herb. And as carnivore you grow carni AI babies that later leaves you or gives you boost in your ''survival xp'' then despawns idk.
past eagle
can someone from the team just address the puking mechanic? i don't mind people saying they don't like it/ can't stand it but does everyone need to address it in suggestion? especially if it's just saying " i'm (condition) i can't stand it could we switch it off?" i think it would help those affected feel more at ease if it was addressed
young pecan
This Torvo suggestion document is giving me an aneurism.
indigo sun
@potent sparrow pretty sure they said that would be a thing..
analog ingot
I still dont get why ppl want to keep the old version...dont they realize how cool the new version will get xd
indigo sun
Mainly because therell only be two animals starting out in EVIRMA and people want to play the normal game until the new version is advanced enough to provide varied gameplay
severe idol
Seems that person doesn't read Announcements. A "Legacy" branch will be available - at least for a time while Evrima catches up.
potent sparrow
Ah. Gotcha.
I read them yes. Doubt I've seen them all though
And yes the people who said they wanted to play are either apex mains or utahs who want to fight apex players
barren zephyr
the pokemon thing made me laugh cause all i could think about bulbasaur getting merced by my dilo
analog ingot
Im sure sandbox will provide deathmatch if thats what some players only are interested in. Or go play primal carnage/BoB
covert birch
More rng = bad idea
Combat already is gonna be less predictable anyways in recode especially with stam and stamina battles being involved
Since ya have no obvious visual indicator who has more stam (other than how much they ran)
Plus with that system dondi mentioned for grapple matches in the qna
That system will make it even harder to know who's winning until the battle has passed a bit of time
analog ingot
I agree, I dont want this game to become purely combat. I want it to be survival as its meant to be, meaning other aspects are important too like migrations, eating the right food, nesting or doing these ''quests'' that the game wants you to do.
Besides, ppl can always change their privat servers to be how they want them to be. And mods for the extreme.
barren zephyr
@covert birch Thank you for this blue
covert birch
@barren zephyr for what?
barren zephyr
Giving a detailed explanation
covert birch
Oh about the halska
twin cedar
@shrewd python Serious suggestions only, please. "Release this or that" -style suggestions also don't belong here.
indigo sun
Man i hate when i miss dumb suggestions
patent spade
why add more rng because of an issue you have that can easily be solved by just not counting your bites when you kill something
paper oriole
Eating a poisonous frog would just make you sick, poison and venom are different ailments anyway
Oh shit another buff giga suggestion
violet magnet
"playing The Isle for 48 minutes"
if you're growing a giga then its food and water drain faster while growing...
covert birch
@tidal snow giga a dinosaur who already fucks over a shitton of the roster by just walking them down doesnt need a buff
Wait did they say they were only playin for 48 mins?
violet magnet
click their name, it shows them as playing Isle
paper oriole
Giga is so good at hunting why the fuck would it need reduced hunger drain. And its juvie/sub stages being 'too slow to hunt with' isnt an excuse either because if that were the case we wouldnt have 374588447 gigas running around