madlad
#general-feedback-discussion
languid crown
hallow vigil
@sterile mica you're praise is appreciated but please read #rules-and-info , tagging developers (other than punchpacket) isn't allowed. Also #general-feedback is meant for posting suggestions/ideas for the game, not praise, no offense
still raptor
wild stone
Yeah idk anything about how realistic that would be, cuz I know know about aerodynamics, but it sounds fun from a gameplay perspective.
languid crown
im just imagining all the juvi pteras slamming into the ground around you
queen mortar
@wild stone ty, also lmao @languid crown
in my imagining of it the juvies begin with a fair amount of speed, this is already done in pretty much every BR where you leave the plane or what have you skydiving. i think for many it will be intuitive
as it is now the Quetz can just fly into the ground and land but i'm pretty sure they're incorporating an involved landing system so there would need to be a small tutorial explaining landing. but then this shouldn't be too different from opening your parachute in PUBG for example
@wild stone @languid crown
i can see it being a "landing mode" you either toggle or enter by decreasing your speed, think of what pelicans look like as their coming in for a landing
languid crown
just glide and break by pulling up slightly
you dont need to toggle just use your flight controls
i see it as a good tutorial for flight
its the advantage of being a flying creature, you dont need a parachute, just use your wings to steer and deaccelerate
gilded thunder
Ew, BR’s 
queen mortar
@gilded thunder lol i was just trynna explain/justify how it would work! 
gentle seal
What do you think about super croc?
indigo sun
Not a fan really
Deino is already getting a hyper killer growth stage if people survive long enough
It'll be rare but it's possible to achieve
still temple
I don't think 2 "super-crocs" is necessary for the time being, if ever
vanilla giant gator is good enough
vague crag
Suggestion: FIX CARNO NESTING 😦
warped harbor
@vague crag That's not a suggestion. That would be better off being posted in #401465476661641217.
Also, if you want to make suggestions, post them in #general-feedback. The channel you are in now is #general-feedback-discussion.
fading shadow
@brisk mesa magnificent absolutely beautiful
brisk mesa
thankyou
finite elm
Seems like everyone hates my idea lol. Still like the idea of dung as scent markers. I think someone else has suggested it as well once before.
indigo sun
i dont like the idea of dung at all
that was my major issue with the suggestion along with the fact that territory marking isn't really necessary
slow snow
Oh yea baby look at that sexy dung
indigo sun
that right there is the reason why
slow snow
Cha cha slide with your member
shell willow
fr
viral creek
Is there another poop suggestion or something
viral creek
There are other ways to mark your scent in your territory
like rubbing against a tree or something
pee/poo suggestions are just weird
shell willow
I really don't see the point of territory marking.
You can already claim territory just fine as is by walking around the area you're claiming. If anything were to be implemented for it at all, maybe scratching or rubbing trees or making scuffs in the dirt would work, but definitely not pissing everywhere like a defective garden hose.
slow snow
I don’t see the point of it either. Walking around as stated above works just fine and it gives whatever claimed an area an advantage to catch something off guard. Plus either way I’m sure weirdos are gonna cha cha slide with their member to any dedicated territory marking.
quasi basin
What do you think about the mini map. I think it's fine as long as you have to explore to fill it up
simple maple
I like the idea of being able to pull up an ingame map. I mean, otherwise people are just going to pull it up on their phone or a second monitor to guestimate where they are.
It would also help to have visual reference for where the LAT/LON coordinates of your dinosaur actually are
Maybe instead of a mini map, a static map screen that can be pulled up to show what you've explored thus far
quasi basin
Yeah that seems fair since people already use the map on their phone
Also I would like to donate to the development but idk where to do it
indigo sun
you dont have to donate
there actually isnt anywhere to donate
they're doing fine financially
still needle
you could subscrive to dondis twitch
thats a little amount of money you could give if you really wanna donate
golden shoal
I'm glad I'm not the only person having this issue. There ISN'T a setting for that right? I'm not completely missing it am I? Like screen scaling?
last heath
@clever hinge I'm pretty sure its already pretty much that. allo destroys cera easily right now
and, what do you mean stronger?
more bite force? more health?
clever hinge
Both/ either based on the devs discretion, also it often kills cera, but that’s more of a balance issue, which makes some people angry, and a bigger distinction would ( hopefully ) make the power difference more acceptable, also the allo in the isle is just really small for whatever reason
last heath
what do you mean distinction? would cera get a buff too? cuz if its getting bodied now, imagine once allo gets even stronger
civic carbon
note that dinosaurs will probably be getting changed to their realistic max size post recode
so.....cerato is going to be a lot smaller then allo
rapid star
I'm so confused. You want to buff a critter that is objectively better than another one so the aforementioned critter is now more betterer?
clever hinge
1 current allo is very undersized and weak
2 yes my idea of the allo will body cerato in the same way sucho body’s current allo, sucho wins to allo not because it’s poorly balanced, but because it’s simply a larger creature, and cerato would receive a slight buff but more importantly it’s niche wouldn’t be taken be another creature who should be bigger
patent spade
having 2 different sounds for both genders seems like it would be a lot of work for it to do absolutely nothing
hard pike
doesnt have to be totally different, just make the male's broadcast deeper, those who play on realism servers would lose their minds for such a feature. lol
patent spade
doubt the devs care much for realism servers
hard pike
they added nesting didnt they? and sexual dimorphisms are coming to the game, these are all realism aspects.. otherwise it would all be about combat. so i think they do care, in fact i think they try and help many people enjoy the game in as many ways as they can, not to mention that before the dev kit got removed realism servers were very popular and often the most populated.
patent spade
nesting serves the purpose of bringing your friends to you faster
hard pike
they could have come up with a easier way to do that without making it into a very realistic and immersive feature.
like path of titans has their friends just get zapped to them through way points
dondi even wanted to add the feature of carrying your own kids around ( not sure if that will happen but it was talked about in the past) he also said he is very interested in adding more sexual dimorphisms
patent spade
yea but do you even have to grow your dino on PoT? not too familiar with the game. having the genders have different sounds doesnt really add to the game, carrying babies would be for the purpose of juvies moving around faster. the things they put in the game isnt just for rp purposes. they have uses whereas calls sounding different does nothing
hard pike
darling i didnt say everything they add is about realism, i said i think they try to help people enjoy the game in many ways, not just realism but realism is also covered for those servers that want it. pot will be adding growth as a game mode in future eventually yes. for realism servers having the broadcasts be distinguishable would be a great help, and for those servers that are not realism it would not affect their game play negatively. and while i dont know much about making a game i dont think its hard to make the male's call sound deeper as it would just need a slight adjustment as far as i know.
still temple
@wooden briar source?
sonic cloud
His ass
wooden briar
@still temple https://www.livescience.com/24642-giganotosaurus.html also states that t-rex could not move much more than 40 kmph without falling over
still temple
this table alone should tell you that it's a very unreliable source
wooden briar
i do see other sources quoting the same study, im trying to find the actual study itself looks like this is a bit more of a clue into that exact study: 2001. A new approach to evaluate the cursorial ability of the giant theropod Giganotosaurus carolinii. -Acta Palaeontologica Polonica 46, 2, 193-202. The cursorial capability of the South American giant theropod Giganotosaurus carolinii should have been quite limited taking into account the strength indicator of its femur (ap-proximately 7 GPa-l) as well as the risk of experiencing grave or even lethal injuries in-volved in the falling of this multitonne animal on a run. However, even at low speeds a fall would have caused serious injuries. Thus, in accordance to the approach developed in this study, the maximum speed of Giganotosaurus should be not that which will impli-cate corporal lesions with minimum probability of lethalness. Instead, its maximum speed should be that which would permit the recovery of body equilibrium as each step is taken. Taking into consideration this approach, an indicator of stability is defined for bipedal, cursorial animals. This indicator is determined by the relationship between the time available for the movement of hip joint during the retraction of a hindlimb and the time needed to move the opposite hindlimb by an angle (in function of the speed) of suffi-cient magnitude as to facilitate the recovery of body equilibrium. This indicator was used to estimate the maximum speed of locomotion of Giganotosaurus (about 14 m s-I) at which, from a lunematic point of view, the danger of falling does not exist.
@still temple how does a table make it unreliable? all that data is correct on the table...
wooden briar
agreed the weights are off... they are from the 2001 report apparently
newer studes weight them in at a lot less, around 8 tons
still temple
"all that data is correct on the table" 
wooden briar
it was correct for the time it was made, not now. you are correct
wooden briar
apparently so.
looking into it a bit more i believe -Acta Palaeontologica Polonica 46, 2, 193-202 is the actual study
file:///C:/Users/44lin/Downloads/app46-193.pdf here you go! thats the study's pdf
violet magnet
it doesn't work to link it from your PC
u could always upload the .pdf in #401470471750811669 or #paleotalk ?
wooden briar
just select it and put it into the search bar
barren zephyr
Giganotosaurus couldn't run irl
indigo sun
@barren zephyr
Also titanoboa has a model already, it just hasnt been worked on bexause it'll be such a pain in the ass to do anything with
ruby jacinth
The model is a TSL one, it'd have to be replaced anyway
minor basalt
@wooden briar giga is already functionally better than rex ingame
last heath
@stoic oasis and what would decide the these differences? player choice? RNG?
stoic oasis
it will be random, at the adult stage the horns will stop growing and then you will see if the horns are big or small
covert birch
Maddough having more rng in combat will make the game shittier
last heath
so you can just get fucked by rng and be weaker?
covert birch
^
last heath
nah m8. rng is whack
slow snow
Imagine growing a trike just to have micro horns to get hecced by literally anything
covert birch
The only reasonable way you can make a suggestion like that is if its based on like affinity but imo it would still be bad design
stoic oasis
You have a point, nvm
little tendon
imagine a trike hatchling with horns the size of a rex
stark canopy
@barren zephyr Since sexual dimorphism is being added in the recode I imagine something similar to this may happen to the rex.
barren zephyr
Would be neat af, not gonna lie.
stark canopy
Things like wattles or dulaps on males could be cool
Like a galli that looks kinda like a rooser
though if done wrong it could look kinda weird.
mellow maple
HOLD UP Did someone just say Titanoboa and Paraceratherium were dinosaurs?
mossy horizon
what?
wooden briar
@minor basalt everything is better than everything in game as long as its in the right hands. utahs can kill everything including apexes if in the right hands, same for any other dino. Making the rex the only thing with leg break and giving it an ambush speed that IRL it wasnt able to reach by a whopping 10 kmph is whats unfair in the game. As i stated before, are we trying to create a game with realistic statistics or a game that overglorifies the rex? another great example is how low the biteforce of a spino is. This is more understandable, though, since balancing in this game still needs to exist to some degree. giving a dino a 70% chance to cause anything in front of it not be able to escape without giving dinos such as the anky the same opportunity is ludicrous. Even though the rex is an apex predator its stats from reality make it slightly on the weaker side of that spectrum, its main strength being intelligence which made it an incredible beast for its time. Since the game provides the player with the task of being the intelligence, rex should fall slighlty short of the apexes that were both bigger and faster than it. It's biteforce is completely reasonable, though and no one is complaining about that. I would go so far as to say if changes towards realism were made, to preserve balance the rex biteforce could go up even higher if needed without any issues
indigo sun
the game isn't going for realism
in fact im pretty sure this game is more the opposite of realism for a lot of these animals
with the exception of looks and shit like that
also bonebreak's changing so it wont be that 70% or rng or whatever bullshit anymore
also can you take five seconds to think about how giga running at 50 km/hr would affect the rest of the roster?
People need to stop thinking only about giga and rex when they say this dumb shit
paper oriole
that giga suggestion makes me die a little inside every time somebody makes it
patent spade
@paper oriole which suggestion there are so many god awful ones
paper oriole
50km/h giga
patent spade
what the actual fuck
paper oriole
yeah
slow stream
hAH, I lose an entire brain every time I read a buff/nerf (insert apex) suggestion
beat that
patent spade
is someone else salty they played badly against a rex or got unlucky with bb
paper oriole
"giga should run 50km/h" imagine how fast it would fucking destroy everything on the map lmao
indigo sun
50 km/hr people have no idea what the fuck theyre talking about
they put no actual effort into a balance suggestion
paper oriole
imagine a pack of gigas launching itself at your herd/pack over the hills at that speed that would be horrid
indigo sun
literally the only thing they think about is "MUH GIGA CANT BEAT REX OR RUN" even though giga can literally out trot rex and easily get away if it takes the time to pay attention to what the fuck it's doing
paper oriole
giga is already good as fuck at trotting mid tiers down too
indigo sun
rex is literally its only issue
patent spade
had a friend who was a para that got chased down by a giga lol
better nerf giga for that
paper oriole
yeah if youre a para and a giga sees you you better hope it isnt a good tracker lol
patent spade
or buff para Kappa
paper oriole
para speed is fine he could use much better stam regen and better trot tho
his run speed is fine i mean
and giga needs a nerf to his base damage since he's a bleeder but 1-2shots non apexes like rex
patent spade
realism suggestions are always god awful
it either brings unnecessary mechanics or breaks balance
paper oriole
plus most people making the "realism balance" suggestions only think about the one dino or its main competition when making the suggestion, and not about the rest of the roster
there'd be no way to balance a giga who runs at 50km/h though lol
patent spade
might as well never play as anything except giga at that point since you cant escape lol
paper oriole
yeah it'd invalidate pretty much the whole roster
indigo sun
@wooden briar Okay so how is 50 km/hr giga balanced against everything except rex?
paper oriole
isn't even balanced against rex
indigo sun
doesnt matter about rex vs giga
that shit doesnt mean anything
the rest of the roster is what matters
paper oriole
rex is supposed to be the apex killer
giga hunts mid tiers and camara
and does a fantastic job at that
giga also fucks trike up
patent spade
cant wait to see the reply from the guy who suggested giga speed buff XD
paper oriole
if he responds lol
wooden briar
@indigo sun you can simply shorten its stamina. in reality we dont know what its stam was, and 50 kmph would be more of an ambush speed, something it was cpable of reaching but not a mainstream running speed for it.
indigo sun
giga already has like 50 seconds of stamina
but regardless of stamina that'd literally make it the fastest thing in the game
how is that fair to literally anything else
slow stream
right after diving pteras
indigo sun
giga's role in this game is not to fuckin run down everything
in fact it does amazing right now compared to everything else
wooden briar
its ambush would be 50 kmph, many other things ingame have over 50 kmph ambush
paper oriole
if you shortened giga's run stam and gave him a very fast ambush he wouldn't be the endurance bleeder he's supposed to be
indigo sun
he's not a sprinter
he's an endurance hunter in this game
this game is not the real animals. this game is not meant to have stats based perfectly on the real animals.
paper oriole
small things that don't demolish whole herds with ease have 50km/h ambush
wooden briar
true, i agree with that. but is it accurate to how it actually behaved im not sure
slow stream
if you're looking for a speed demon, say hello to the herrasaurus
paper oriole
rex is the ambush apex
indigo sun
it doesnt matter if something is accurate to how an animal behaved
that doesnt mean shit
wooden briar
bufftrike exactly
paper oriole
that spot is already filled, giga is very efficient the way he is
indigo sun
giga does amazing right now and doesnt need a 50 km/hr ambush
it doesnt make sense to give it a speed boost it absolutely does not need
wooden briar
it was built to destroy big things, not try and chase down raptors
patent spade
except it can destroy big things if you dont play stupid
indigo sun
giga does fine killing mid tiers and it'll do fine going after sauropods n shit
patent spade
2 bites on a rex is all you need and then you wait for bleed to do the work
slow stream
giga was already stupid to begin with 
paper oriole
both giga and rex can fuck up trike, giga has a chance against rex, rex is supposed to be the apex killer
wooden briar
its not about what it needs its about what is accurate. there can be ways to incorporate tha actual statistics over what we have rn
paper oriole
gameplay >>>>>> realism
indigo sun
at all
patent spade
accuracy can go fuck itself if it breaks the balance of the game
indigo sun
gameplay means infinitely more than accuracy
wooden briar
rex was never supposed to be anything. it can kill an apex, just like a giga can kill a rex.
slow stream
if we're looking for accuracies, you'd be seeing a giga with the "tickle-by-the-back-of-the-neck"
wooden briar
creating balance can be done with statistics we cant find, such as stamina,
indigo sun
no, that's fucking godawful
paper oriole
lmfao oh no i forgot about "when somebody touches the back of my neck" giga
wooden briar
ofc many others that i wont quote rn
indigo sun
you have no idea how fucking shitty the game balance would be if you used some bullshit "50 km/hr" statistics
slow stream
lemmefindaskeletonforthegiga
indigo sun
again, the game is not going for accuracy in stats whatsoever
i dont know where you got this idea that this is a realism game but you need to get that shit out of your head
wooden briar
then what is it for? glorifying rexes?
indigo sun
these arent the animals that lived millions of years ago
paper oriole
okay so why worry about the accuracies of the speed of some dino when we have fucking mutant dino lab experiments from different time periods all living on a remote island somewhere with mutant orc tribal humans that isn't very realistic
indigo sun
these are scientific fuckin experiments
slow stream
look at the poor thing
patent spade
how about you go make your own game with realistic stats and see how well everyone enjoys being chased down without a chance against giga. dinos can get away from a rex if they are aware of their surroundings
paper oriole
giga is better at hunting almost anything in the game better than rex rn
indigo sun
where do these fuckin people get this idea that this game is some realistic animal simulator?
wooden briar
did.. did they put a fullsize skull on a subadult body wtf?
indigo sun
it's more annoying than funny
paper oriole
giga has fewer weaknesses than rex, aside from rex itself so why even think about buffing it
wooden briar
its better bc the hitboxes are out of this world broken rn
paper oriole
there are no hitboxes rn
patent spade
and those will be fixed when the recode is done
paper oriole
there's just broken code
indigo sun
giga hunts everything except rex amazingly and you want to buff it
slow stream
how is the "touched by the neck" giga annoying-
pale prairie
@junior shore Psittacosaurus is already in the game, it's known as "taco" within the community.
quasi basin
@slow stream that museum is realy close to my house
pale prairie
everything else i agree with.
slow stream
oh neat
paper oriole
microraptor would get fucking obliterated by everything lmao
pale prairie
they'd make nice AI.
paper oriole
Zhenyuanlong might be a bit better of an option than microraptor as a playable but the juvies would have a hell time trying to survive
pale prairie
but something tells me the new and interesting AI department is already covered.
ashen elm
Wow was someone arguing Giga could go 50 It was slow not fast wtf
night mountain
I mean the game does go for accuracy sometimes. Otherwise they wouldn’t be basing most models off skeletals and everything would look like ark
patent spade
@night mountain not when it comes to stats. balance is more important than realism or accuracy
indigo sun
stats arent accurate, theyre not meant to be
most animals are meant to look accurate obviously because otherwise they'd just be fictional creatures, not dinosaurs
ashen elm
Thats true but nothing 7 tons is going 50 kmh So its not realism anyway. IDK were he found that estimate but its bad.
paper oriole
giga goes 50km/h when tripping and falling down a cliff
molten tulip
Technically if you put a bunch of animals on an island and they still exist after a while, theyd be balanced to each other like in game. You can argue that the current balances are 'realistic' from a mechanical perspective
pure copper
Someone should tell the lad that Basilosaurus isn’t a dinosaur
indigo sun
well people who dont know anything about dinosaurs generally call everything extinct dinos unfortunately
it's a cool whale though
night mountain
Oh yeah for stats for sure
oblique sluice
@brittle merlin Gallis are already faster than utahs, utahs only can catch them with ambush
brittle merlin
wait really? i was always told they where the exact same speed
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr heck, what is this ark (although titanoboa was teased long ago)
paper oriole
pretty sure Dondi mentioned reworking scent with compass? atm the bad code prevents the two from being separated if i recall right
mellow maple
Ah yes, the curse of Bailosaurus' stupid name.
If only we could reclassify it to a different genus name that makes more sense... 
jovial moss
Basilocetus would make more sense as a rename for Basilosaurus
indigo sun
i dont know about realistic.. natural disasters and seasons are definitely a cool idea though!
finite elm
Volcanic eruptions, floods, tornados, and hurricanes/tsunamis could cool
fast escarp
@gusty tusk, nope, I've only had the isle for a year, and been in the official discord for less than that.
indigo sun
Forest fires havent been discussed in a while, i imagine something to the same extent is planned, though fires are apparently very hard on computers
fast escarp
Yeah they are.
finite elm
I think far cry has had a brush fire system before
fast escarp
But like tsunamis, hurricanes, tornados, earth quakes, and volcanic eruptions would be flipping awesome.
Even flooding too.
indigo sun
i think volcanic eruption could work on new thenyaw if the big mountain bit is in fact a volcano
edgy edge
so that's the actual name heh owo if u told me that name before the english one, I would not have belived it, even tough I am romainian and speranță means hope which as a word itself is latin at origin >.<
But ye, would love those natural disasters and season changes
fast escarp
Yeah the new map's nickname is Hope, lol.
barren zephyr
tagging here.kissen said its still wip.
@onyx stump as you can read here
hushed kindle
i would cause it was a means of communication, and further more why would you be so offended of being a living organism?
@last heath
last heath
because shit and piss is not something the majority of people want
I'm not offended. I dont care, but would rather not have piss and shit in the game
hushed kindle
it doesnt say what "majority" it says suggestions
further more ... you said people keep suggesting... this says more then one person
covert birch
Things that are easily made into fetish material shouldn't be in the game
Especially with all the people wanting matin anima and stuff
last heath
you'd be fucking surprised. every time its shot down, not a single thumbs up
cuz noone wants that
hushed kindle
and yet... people keep bringing it up...
onyx stump
I think scat and urine is a step too far for normal people enjoying a video game, that and mating animations.
solid rose
They're unnecessary. Simple as that.
hushed kindle
and yet we have it in ark
last heath
look buddy, you want that? wait for the dev kit and mod it in yourself
devs have said no again and again
solid rose
play ark then /shrug
last heath
this isnt ark
hushed kindle
its a suggestion, and i have not heard of such.
you shouldnt get over worked over a suggestion
last heath
I aint over worked
onyx stump
Ark and Duke Nukem have their own humor and style that I don't think the isle has.
last heath
just tired that there is always a piss 'n shit suggestion every week
and farts
for some reason
onyx stump
just because one video game has something, doesn't mean that they all need to have it
hushed kindle
well im not on here to read this every week
last heath
then we done here. its not something that will ever be put in game. lets go annoy bryan now
hushed kindle
i like the idea of being able to leave a message behind for your own kind or anything as a temp message
last heath
then remake a suggestion based around that idea and take away shit 'n piss. cuz I legit have no idea how shitting on the ground would convey a message
hushed kindle
and instead of trying to reason with the suggestion u seemed very worked up and are quick to shoot it down
last heath
cuz anything to do with piss and shit is denied right away. devs said no, crushing majority said no, so its no. messages for others? maybe. just no piss and shit please...
hushed kindle
then you have had your say, I feel you are done. let someone else step up and attempted to offer another form of the idea
patent spade
and here i thought that ppl wanting to play as a rock or plant would be the end of the stupid train
still temple
Ark has it cus it's a shit game 
barren zephyr
@edgy edge Do you have any idea how impossible it is to have convo with that slowmode? You say 1 message, someone responds to you and you cant respond for 10-15 minutes which is enough time for topic to entirely change
nah that would be stupid imo
tall flicker
I like the idea of having a clip u can watch when u died! Like how u died and stuff
pastel phoenix
were do i find the new dryo suff a ss was posted on here and i saw it how far up do i gotta go up
tall flicker
Look in pins in #401464048610312195
worn grove
Will herbivores be able to eat giant mushrooms?
barren zephyr
@drowsy wren wdym by be able to sit?
indigo sun
@lethal saddle there wont be any size differences between sexes. If you're referring to how the female para in Hope. was smaller it was because she was younger, not because her full adult model was smaller. Making one sex bigger than the other will cause so much extra work
wintry cipher
I think captain hasn't found the h button yet.
lilac swallow
And just invalidates one of the sexes
edgy edge
@barren zephyr the suggestion was for when there was massive spam on that channel.
Cuz sum stuff got shared with us on general and not all could see it
shell willow
@lethal saddle Sexual dimorphism won't affect the size of the dino, only things like crest shape. Females won't be bigger than males, and males won't be bigger than females; they'll all be the same size.
lethal saddle
indigo sun
Theyre different ages
shell willow
^ Different ages. Female is younger.
junior shore
@pale prairie Sorry, I've never seen one (Psittacosaurs) in game and assumed the little raptor ai were Tacos
slow stream
there goes half of my brain
lilac swallow
Waiting for the war that this nerf giga suggestion will cause between giga mains and giga haters
indigo sun
Thats infinitely better than make giga 50 km/hr or give it bonebreak or give it a 1000 n biteforce
slow stream
but yes, it's way better than losing my entire brain
lilac swallow
I do agree giga needs nerfing, but the suggestion is simply wrong, It doesnt one shot everything
indigo sun
It does a ton of damage though and the high bleed can finish the job
lilac swallow
Thats fucking not posible unless you started running making the bleed kill you
Giga does like 700 dmg, trike has like 8k hp, now we consider weight(the heavier compared to the attacker the less dmg you get) and trike suffers even less than 700 of dmg per giga bite
Less than 700 wont kill your 8000 hp Monster in one hit
paper oriole
Does one giga bite even have the potential to off another apex? I always bite trikes 3 times before waiting on them to bleed out
Did you run around in circles like an ava AI after getting bit lmfao
lilac swallow
I dont even think a giga bite could kill with bleed a running trike
patent spade
if you are going to suggest giga be nerfed then atleast put effort into the suggestion and give ideas on what needs to be nerfed
why should the devs waste time on a suggestion you are too lazy to think out properly
vestal loom
thats what happened @lilac swallow
i dont know how you'd fix it i'm just saying it felt kind of hopeless
indigo sun
Well
You need more than "nerf this!!!"
I'll agree it is very strong however suggestions need substance
patent spade
@vestal loom there is also the possibility the game fucked you over and you got bit 2 times at once
vestal loom
that would explain a lot, yeah
also I had no idea bleed gets worse with running, that isn't explained anywhere
patent spade
yea if you are bit and bleeding alot you're better off standing still. 2 bites to a rex as giga is enough to bleed it enough to be able to kill it in 1 more bite
vestal loom
so i should have just stood still?
rich imp
the faster you move, the more you bleed
patent spade
yea, when it comes for you you could just alt turn, not to mention since you cant regen stam while standing you will preserve stam for stomps
vestal loom
stomps?
rich imp
...
vestal loom
look man this game doesnt offer very much in the way of explanation alright
im just trying to learn
patent spade
trikes have 2 attacks, stomping and gore. stomping requires stam but does a lot of dmg
rich imp
how can you be out here saying "nerf this" and "nerf that" when you dont even know much about the game you are playing
like i don't want to sound like a jerk or anything but i feel like you should probably learn more about the game before suggesting changes
vestal loom
i figured that already, thanks. but i do appreciate what youre saying, and i was wrong. I could totally have lived, i just didnt know what i was doing
and i didn't mean to come across like that, I was just mad, since i'd worked so hard to grow, but then it was taken away so easily (how it seemed at the time anyway)
from what i can tell, if i had stood still after the first hit, they couldn't have done anything
so i apologize for my ignorance
patent spade
they still might have killed you, giga bleed is very strong but you stand a better chance not running around with a ton of bleed
vestal loom
well yeah but i basically killed myself from the sounds of it 😔
the more you know eh, anyway thanks for the help, and again im sorry to intrude on this channel so haphazardly
patent spade
if you need any help with the game we can go to dms
vestal loom
I would appreciate that ^^
barren zephyr
When people said nerf I thought they said this.
Nit a shitpost btw. I 100% thought they meant that.
rich imp
it's nerf or nothin'
latent cave
@vestal loom first of all giga cant one hit most things T4+, the only way you would die in one hit as anything T4+ is if you didn't sit and ran around in circles panicking at the sight of your blood. Second, giga should actuly be buffed a bit at it is giga has less health then its weight, well the rex has more health then it weighs, so giga looses its weight advantage over rex and will die pathetically to other apex most of the time, rex only needs one bite to break its leg and its fucked unless the rex is an idiot and stands there letting the giga bite it a ton as it trys to turn well being unable to bite the cripple; spoons on the other hand can take a few giga bites like nothing allowing then to charge though and not give a shit till they get on its tail and eats its ass, well the giga is helpless to fight back, and can only try to run away, however if the spoon ambushs it can catch the giga easy and keep riding its ass, even if it manages to out run the spoon by that time it will probaly bleed tp death.
Also its not just apex that rape giga, cerato, utah, theri, anky, maia, para, stago and diablo can all kill giga, some being able to do so rather easy, like the first 3 are able to kill even the best giga with ease, well stago and such usuly cant beat a decent giga 1v1, however in stagos case it can kill a giga 1v1 but will die before the giga and kill it will bleed, but 2v1 stago rape giga, anky can also 1v1 giga if the giga trys to go for a quick kill but if a giga is not an idiot it only needa to bite it a few times and keep it standing till it bleeds out, other wise anky can kill it in 4 or 5 hits i think at most 6
sour folio
I posted some thoughts/suggestions in the suggestions channel, was that the wrong place to post them? Just want to be sure I wasn't breaking the rules.
indigo sun
if it's a suggestion then it goes in suggestions
indigo sun
@muted ferry ai spawning in different biomes based on their species is actually planned. it's going to replace how it spawns near carnivores currently
tender latch
A feature which I'm going to fucking love
indigo sun
god im gonna love it too
muted ferry
Nice, I had hoped they were thinking of something like that since it's such an awesome idea I just wanted to put it out there in case they haven't thought of it
tender latch
Now what I'd really love is mercs in sandbox by Spring of this ye--sigh
knotty spindle
What do you guys think of my stupid neuro "idea"?
muted ferry
I know neuro is supposed to be some kind of weird psychic beast but idk if it should have the ability to just crush something with a glance
wise harbor
Could be fun for a type of neruo
muted ferry
seems over the top if you will
wise harbor
as for which one, Dunno.
knotty spindle
Just thought it would make the creature scarier if it could do something like that to you
Doesnt have to be neuro spino either, but some kind of neuro, unique to that one
wise harbor
I'd like it for something like utah, and specifically doing it to stuff that are man sized or smaller. Its just flavor really when it comes down to it though.
Be fun to run around and find a ball of meat in a building.
fair junco
How can we apply for a position working on the Isle?
still needle
@knotty spindle maybe it can be like an execution move that only kills when the target is below a certain health?
knotty spindle
Yeah thats what i was thinking
still needle
so you cant just avoid fights by crunching it
indigo sun
i dont think theyre hiring right now, and this is not the place to ask that question @fair junco
knotty spindle
Something super brutal, as a finishing kill move
fair junco
Thank you @indigo sun my bad for posting here
indigo sun
stop making suggestions based on the current game!
you guys know fuckall about what's coming
stop trying to balance the current game when all this shit will jus tbe gone
lilac swallow
@latent cave the terrestrial spino and aquatic spino thing is outdated as fuck, we are not getting 2 spinos
indigo sun
we're getting one spino, who will be 50/50 land and water. he can kinda do whatever he wants
fair junco
Nines, isn't Spino a terrestrial dinosaur that hunts aquatic almost exclusively?
indigo sun
no the isle's spino is a monster that can do whatever the shit it wants within reason
fair junco
And currently developers are reworking turning mechanics right and we haven't seen much at all of it so far?
indigo sun
we've seen the new alt turn
indigo sun
how it works on utah is pretty much gonna be the same for everything else, just slower or faster and slightly different animations due to anatomy
fair junco
Yeah I think the movement mechanics are the most important thing for this game going forward
indigo sun
yep
fair junco
It's already at a state that I find to be good and enjoyable
Just would love more of a shuffle potential rather than only propelling forward while looking in various directions
Akin to the Ghost vehicle in Halo
shell willow
@barren zephyr Tarbosaurus is a no. Devs already confirmed it. It's a clone of rex and wouldn't really serve any purpose as far as adding anything new to the game.
barren zephyr
<@&401466542140817419> troll suggestion abt tarbo
tender latch
MiO
barren zephyr
FuZZY
tender latch
Me go back to #401464048610312195 now, have a crescent roll 🥐
indigo sun
@sour folio you need more than "this thing would be cool"
sour folio
@indigo sun is that how my post came across?
indigo sun
kinda yeah
barren zephyr
sorry but
again troll suggestion
<@&401466542140817419> theres no way he can be serious
tender latch
There's always merc--
barren zephyr
Shhhhh.
indigo sun
i mean it's in the pinned messages that you need a detailed suggestion for animals with how they could be unique and what mechanics they could have
barren zephyr
sour folio
@indigo sun wait, which one? The long list of mechanics/changes or the dino suggestion?
indigo sun
it's $7000 an animal, those sorts of suggestions need to be justified
the dinosaur suggestion
barren zephyr
If you post please add this dino, explain why the animal should be added and what mechanics it could have to set it apart from animals already in-game to make it unique so we don't have clone dinosaurs all over. All constructive criticism is to be discussed in #suggestion-discussion as this channel is not for feedback or discussion. Troll suggestions will result in the poster kicked from the discord.```your mechanics/changes suggestionn was pretty good
barren zephyr
nice paradym
sour folio
The dino suggestion wasn't detailed haha just threw it out there
topaz epoch
@barren zephyr the channel is only for serious and thought out suggestions. This is your only warning
tender latch
And my mercenary suggestion was, in my opinion, more than acceptable.
indigo sun
well it needs to be more detailed than that
north plaza
Get the discord verified please!
sour folio
So I agree, I needed to bring more of my research on it to the table
indigo sun
youre not getting mating
barren zephyr
bad trolling
sour folio
The changes needs to be more detailed?
indigo sun
too bad so sad never gonna happen
barren zephyr
cant even laught abt it
indigo sun
no the dino suggestion needs more details
tender latch
PoT would probably have mating
sour folio
Ah, yeah for sure.
topaz epoch
If you can suggest it in a way that sounds convincing feel free to try again. Need more than "I want mating"
barren zephyr
@tender latch 
topaz epoch
Keep in mind troll suggestions can result in a immediate kick
tender latch
barren zephyr
because you?
indigo sun
if you cant come up with any sort of convincing argument for your suggestion or anything more than "Add dis please i want it" then maybe you shouldnt be making that suggestion
north plaza
I'd like you guys to get the Discord verified so you can set specific text channels to be announcement channels. That way I can follow them in my Isle community.
tender latch
Meh
barren zephyr
@north plaza perhaps post it in suggestions, rather this discussion channel for suggestions
tender latch
He did
barren zephyr
oh
north plaza
I did as well. But wanted to get a conversation going
barren zephyr
oooh
tender latch
Still a pretty meh suggestion though
fair junco
What do y'all think of my adding a shuffle type of movement suggestion? I.e. the ability to move in a direction other than the direction the dino's body is currently oriented in.
patent spade
being able to bite your group mates should never be removed otherwise you will just have groups ganging up on dinos without fear of dmging their friends
empty dove
Exactly
gaunt flax
@brisk mesa they're pinned in pins
inner valley
Imagine 12 utahs riding an allo at the same time and it dies in 3 seconds
empty dove
@violet loom I really like that idea
violet loom
@empty dove it would make the game bit more tense if your being hunted. it would also help with getting stuck while chasing someone. small and skinny trees mainly.
empty dove
mhm
steel quartz
@violet loom
No, a twig will stop a Rex right in its tracks!
😆
Yes that would be nice.
But I'm afraid it might be too hard for the servers.
(I don't know anything about this. 😅 )
barren zephyr
large carnivores should have grab attacks that can be initiated by approaching prey around your size or smaller from the side and pressing space,temporarily restraining the prey and doing the equivalent of two bites worth of damage.
@surreal sedge I think that's essentially what pounce is.
surreal sedge
Yes but it would be for large carnivores things like rexes spinos and gigas
And I think the stipulation it has to be from the side wouldn't make it crazy OP youd have to be very sneaky to pull that off
indigo sun
spino's gettin grapple
surreal sedge
Interesting I don't think it should be limited to it alone tho
covert birch
Spino is the only one with arms big enough for grapple
indigo sun
well spino has arms so that's why it gets it. i dont think grappling onto something should be given to everything
surreal sedge
Exactly rex has a powerful jaw and neck a system where it can chomp down and pin for a bit would be nice
covert birch
While its a cool idea. I dont think they wanna animate rex grappling someones legs then pressing down to bonebreak it
shell willow
Same, plus I'm not a fan of the idea of being locked in. A struggle would be cool but that would be even harder to make.
covert birch
The pounce thin sadly didnt show the person bein pounced perspective
surreal sedge
Yeah just a nice thought to make apexes more scary than just oh big slow guy dont let it get close or itl bite you
shell willow
Well there's more than just rex to worry about. Just their looming presence is enough to scare me all the way up a tree.
We'll see what they've got planned to make them even better ^^
surreal sedge
I usually play the dilo anyway and I'm definitely playing troodon when it's out but yeah
barren zephyr
The Trodon is going to have BOSS night vision.
Allosaurus's being able to hold onto thing would be neat. Such as small kills and chunks
I would also suggest that a growl or rumble key be one of the choices for the dinos. A frill for the dilo when it 3s would be cool.
indigo sun
not a fan of frilled dilo
our dilo looks great right now, doesnt need a frill to come out
barren zephyr
It would be very cool though.
It has long, and flexible, hands/fingers that would seem to be able to grab things, probably good for the grapple or possibly latching onto larger prey/pred?
indigo sun
eh its not needed. our dilo isnt as jurassic park as some of the other animals in this game and i think it's fine if it stays as not as jurassic park as other animals
barren zephyr
Well, our opinions differ. I'll leave it to our amazing devs. Love you guys, and I love The Isle!
simple maple
I'm also happy Dilo is nice and big, unlike in the JP films or Ark XD
Dilo always seems to get the literal short stick
ebon tiger
JP Dilo is a juvenile in the first film 😛
simple maple
See in the books and concept art for sure. But in the films (JP and the hologram in World) and tie in games the dilo is always the small one
ebon tiger
not really, as Stan Winston himself suggested it was a juvenile, during filming of TLW
the Hologram in JW was also almost 6ft tall, much taller than the one seen in JP
simple maple
That so? Always looked small.
Still I'm happy Isle Dilo is a big boi
teal scarab
So with “running out of breath” being said, would your Dino be breathing heavily after running for a long period of time?
ebon tiger
i guess it depends. dinosaurs probably have some funky breathing going on, since they share similar anatomy to birds, and birds technically breath twice per inhale
teal scarab
Interesting
paper oriole
@mild token think you got the wrong channel...
hallow vigil
@mild token pls read pinned messages (basically, if you want to suggest a dinosaur, you have to state why you feel it would be a good addition, rather than just saying it would be cool to have)
mild token
barren zephyr
Smilodon is the sabertooth yea
paper oriole
It aint a dinosaur lol what is that guy smoking
barren zephyr
Well it’s a prehistoric animal tho, better than a horse 😂
paper oriole
Imagine playing a dino game and theres just a fukin saber tooth lion on the roster full of theropods lmao
patent spade
atleast it's not another buff giga suggestion lol
paper oriole
True true
paper oriole
For a carnivorous land quadraped i think a gorgonopsid would look less out of place
fallow needle
Maybe after the isle has all planned dinos they could move onto things from before and after the dinos too, but until then I dont think it's on the table
fallow needle
Some super ancient stuff like brontoscorpio would be cool as like a beach/water ai too
paper oriole
Would be neat to see more ambient AI life like brontoscorpio to make the land feel more alive yea
fallow needle
And when you step on em with something bug you just hear crunch
slow snow
Hmm why do y’all disagree with my suggestion?
fallow needle
Because bleed as it is is op, it needs a new system
mellow maple
Titanoboa, Paraceratherium, Basilosaurus, and now Smilodon
fallow needle
Tbf tho pterasaurs ain't dinosaurs 
mellow maple
Yeah, but non of the animals recently suggested have any excuse.
Three of them aren't even reptiles
fallow needle
Titanoboa is confirmed tho is it not?
mellow maple
Idk.
fallow needle
They already made a model for it and everything
mellow maple
It hasn't been worked on for so long
And if they put it in, that opens a can of worms
The cenozoic demand
barren zephyr
@mellow maple Next up mercs will be dinosaurs
barren zephyr
Wheat, lets pronate everyone who calls smthing that isnt dino a dino
mellow maple
I agree
barren zephyr
Also obligatory fuck light mode
mellow maple
EMA, I've used it for two years+ and I still do
fallow needle
Is it fun being blind
mellow maple
It's more fun than saying Three mammals are dinosaurs
But yes, it's very fun to bathe in light
fallow needle
At least people know sure as shit you ain't a gamma abuser!
fallow needle
That light would pierce your skull
boreal coral
Fo srs, if server owners started having to pay to give their staff admin rights, maybe they’d start treating their staff better 🤷
Unofficial server owners obvs
warped harbor
@boreal coral what is the problem with unofficial admins currently?
Why on earth do you think sever owners should pay to elect admins?
boreal coral
In my experience, between my own volunteering, and discussions with other current and previous unofficial server staff, there is, across a number of servers, large and small, a level of abuse of power, and general mistreatment. I personally believe it’s related to the lack of loss from treating staff poorly. And without staff being of any expense, there is always more fodder for the cannons. Again, this is what I’ve noticed, and simply my thoughts on a potential aid to a solution.
Basically, I would love to see server owners held accountable for their actions in some way regarding their treatment of staff.
lofty moth
Agree with @boreal coral as someone else who has experienced poor treatment of myself and others at the hands of Unofficial Server Owners. While it is not the responsibility of the Devs to police the conduct of these owners, I do believe that it would be a positive overall for The Isle community. I think if any of us wish for this wonderful game to maintain a healthy player base, then something does need to be done about the toxicity in the unofficial servers.
latent cave
It's kinda sad how, some people who only know dinos from the Isle are so agginst making dinos closer to their position in real life, most notably with the Acro and Austro to a slightly smaller extent, in real life Acro, much like giga were near rex sized allosaurids however unlike giga who was a bit larger then rex acro was a bit smaller, allosaurids were known for their wide opening jaws they would use to axe bite and rip out chunks, aswell as having strong funtion arms, it was thought large allosaurids like giga would do a kinda death hug on their prey allowing them to bite their prey more easily, and both acro and giga were not particularly fast. Acro was an extreamly successful Apex predator of its time and is well known for hunting saurapods much larger then its self. But the people who only know it from the isle want to be a smaller speedy boi, who is weak as fuck and cant hunt anything its size or larger
slow snow
Well yea but the new system will most likely make it worse and it’ll solve the problem they’re having with making venom unique
ashen elm
Re: Magyarosaurus
No don't make it AI. It's bit frustrating to see people think that sauropods need to be big to survive. It's their most iconic trait and I do want a playable large sauropod but there did exist small and medium-size one that co-existed with large carnivores.
Look at all these small bois with Giga for example.
Also we have no idea what mechanic they want with Magyaro. It could be awesome and until they say I rather trust the developers to make it viable despite the small size.
Exhibit A: The Canderlos Formation
https://imgur.com/0HG4Cb9
latent cave
@ashen elm ... love how you put Rex as weighing more then not only giga but spino...
Both weigh more then rex, and well giga is around the same size as a rex, spinos are quite larger and heavier.
In terms of game play, weight will no longer equal damge after the record, if thats why you put it like that, but Rex should weigh less then both, but it would still do more damage per bite, due to the fact rex has strong crushing jaw, well giga was weak allosaurid flesh grazing jaws, and spino also has a weaker jaw specialized for gripping small prey.
ashen elm
@latent cave You know I'd appreciate feedback on my proposition, not get sucked into the 'beating the dead horse' debate on the largest carnivore. I care more about the herbivore balance than that.
That said, I'm basing my weights off of Franoys, Randomdinos and Scott Hartman's estimate(s). There are a lot guesstimates on the internet regarding the large apexs size and we may never really know how big they got or what was biggest, but I trust paleo-artist and professional reconstructions more than 90% of other dinosaur resources on the internet. (outside of research paper estimates but even those can be out of date or non-peer reviewed and/or skewed)
Source: https://imgur.com/R2nd1Nl
Franoys: https://www.deviantart.com/franoys
Randomdinos: https://www.deviantart.com/randomdinos/gallery
Scott Hartman: https://www.skeletaldrawing.com/
sonic cloud
@latent cave can you not pull “facts” out of your ass?
latent cave
Rather then Referencing PaloArtists(People who draw what guesses on what things look like), you should use Studies based on actual fossel findings, as of quight a wile ago giga follesls have been found demistrating they were most likly larger https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jorge_Calvo5/publication/40662857_New_specimen_of_Giganotosaurus_carolinii_Coria_Salgado_1995_supports_it_as_the_largest_theropod_ever_found/links/09e4150d190653f93a000000.pdf
sonic cloud
Are you seriously using a study from 25 years ago that’s shows inaccurate proportions?
MUCPv-95 has been severely overestimated based on a single dentary that is proportionally deeper than the holotype and is almost certainly smaller than the largest tyrannosaur specimens.
ashen elm
You're referencing a 1995 paper which is super out of date. And paleo-artists are important because they are more specialized in getting body and volume proportions to more accurately portray how an animal would function beyond the bones.
Paleontologists are analyzing and describing the bones, that does not meant they are specialized or experts on how they all fit together. It's most cases, they are not, that's why they hire artists and other biologists to reconstruct the dinosaurs for them.
https://www.deviantart.com/ewilloughby/journal/Why-is-Paleoart-Important-A-Response-to-Cau-424673917
latent cave
mean while I am to lazy to re-research, spinos, as its is well knows their they were estimated to be much larger based on fossel findings, but as legs full legs were never found, and the most compleat bones were destroyed in ww2, its height is unknown, nits its lenth and bulk has/ had rather decent evidence to support its larger size then both
yes its old news giga is bigger then rex, but to date sue is still largest rex
sonic cloud
I mean if your going to make that kind of claim can you actually back it up?
Otherwise I can call bullshit with the same lack of reasoning that you have used for the spinosaurus claim
ashen elm
You do not think the research has changed in the decades? I can't tell you how many things in paleontology change in a single year, let alone decades.
Not only that, but more bones are discovered which provide more accurate reconstruction portrayals; so yeah, beyond descriptions of bones older papers are not the best sources.
sonic cloud
The study was 25 years ago
Hardly accurate or reliable
latent cave
why don't you research for your self to confirm that spino is curently considered to be the largest, rather then relying on me or palioartests to spoon feed you.
and in terms of new folsels being found yes newer smaller rex fosels have been found
sue is still the largest
sonic cloud
Bruh, if your going to make the claim that spinosaurus is the largest theropod you need to provide evidence
You made the claim you need to back it up
latent cave
like wise what are you assuming rexs are larger on? aside from guesses made by artests, what fossel evidence?
ashen elm
Hartman and Franoys are not just "paleo-artists" they are professionals, their work has been used museums, literature and have published their own papers.
"Oh, he's just a paleoartist, you're getting spoonfed" 🙄
Though personally the work on Dino Fight Club is not something I'd put on my resume lol.
"Scott has been producing professional paleo art for 17 years. Best known for his skeletal reconstructions, he has supplied skeletal and life reconstructions for numerous books and museums. With his background in anatomy his skeletals often form a starting point for other paleo artists, and he has served as a consultant for TV and film. Scott is also a publishing paleontologist, including papers on Supersaurus, Archaeopteryx, and Medusaceratops. He currently resides in Madison, WI with his wife and daughter, and appears yakking on cable TV on shows such as Dinosaur Revolution and Jurassic Fight Club." - From Jersey Boys Hunt Dinosaurs
latent cave
also since you dismissed the fact i noted that spinosaurus's most compleat skeliton was destroyed in ww2, where is another more credible version rather just me saying it, since i could be making it up that it got bombed to shit
feral sedge
are you seriously using the irl spino to suggest changes to the TI spino
the one made to not be like irl spino
ashen elm
You need to understand that paleontology is not a static field. Guesstimates about body shape, weight, and behavior frequently change.
Since you are insisting on using research papers as examples, here I'll demonstrate inconsistency in information
A 2010 paper estimating Spinosaurus weight as "surpassing Tyrannosaurus Rex in size"
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1671/0272-4634(2007)27[108%3AMTIBTY]2.0.CO%3B2
Yet this 2018 estimates it's mass at 6379 kg (much smaller than T-Rex):
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6098948/#!po=61.1111
Ultimately estimates will change as more information comes to light and accuracy claims are debated. As of now, the estimates I sourced are from reputable paleoartists in regards to their weight. None of the papers you have presented really argue against that. Heck a quick look at Wiki even shows the uncertainty regarding large theropods weight.
But this again is not what I wanted to discuss, I put a suggestion about playable herbivore balance and ecosystems and it still turned into a carnivore weight 'beating the dead horse' stickt. Sigh, partly my fault. 🙄
ionic comet
@civic glacier Kiseen has already said magy won't be slow or weak
ionic comet
civic glacier
I wasnt sure u know cuz now almost evry fight depends on ur dino size and the Magyarosaurus is small
ashen elm
It's going to take 3 hours to grow, that's almost as long as Diablo and Para if they keep the same timer(s), it better not be weak!
civic glacier
Well after recode i will probably going to play as a mid tier carnivore to test the bleed on the herbs 😄
latent cave
@ashen elm so the more recent artical you shared, Referencing a specific restoration of Spino, still puts it as longer then rex, however it was assuming it was made lighter with air sacks and stuff(witch is a resonable and gradualy growing more common place idea among dinos, and is even bressent in larger prehistoric mamals to an extent, allowing them grow to larges sizes with out becomeing to heavy), the main purpose of the artical is to say it was lily not well adapted for an aqatic life. over all that is a rather decent artical, however I am curious as to if the spino is full grown, since the holotype was estimated to be a few meters longer, however as its destroyed we can never know. however I am curious as how they estimated a Rexs weight and if they are still assuming it has no structures to make it lighter, also your first artical re-enforces that giga and spino would be longer then rex, witch in the more recent artical that is still the case for the spino, however weighing less, well the giga being longer around the same height and with a larger skull, likly would be heavier, unless they are assum ing giga have structures to make them lighter well rex dont? any articals on why your palio artest thinsg rex is heavier would be nice
lilac swallow
Rex is shorter but way bulkier end, this is not the chat to Talk about paleofacts
latent cave
(not arguing about the spino anymore as they is good enough to support having heavier rex, in lack of the spino halotype, so pending new spino fossels, or rex weight estimaton studies)
valid zephyr
I think people missed the point of that suggestion. What they were asking for was some more large tier herbis as they’re lacking compared to the number of large tier carnis.
Instead everyone starts arguing over the rex weight listed.
lofty sundial
Well Spino should be heavier than Rex, considering it’s mutated one and is literally larger
ashen elm
@valid zephyr Thank you, yes that is my main point/suggestion.
Trikkel; As for mutated Spino, IDC as long we agree that both outweigh the large playable herbivores and it would be nice to rectify that soon with larger herbivores (tm). 
valid zephyr
I’d like to see theri, anky, and cama get added as survival playables
scenic slate
@barren zephyr I'm pretty sure that wasn't the final animation. Yeesh you guys are quick to judge. At least let them polish it out and make it more detailed.
sage helm
^
barren zephyr
@gaunt flax I am pretty sure herbi strains have been deconfirmed
safe galleon
@empty cargo you need to put some effort into your suggestions
you can't just say "add X cus I like it"
barren zephyr
@empty cargo
languid crown
@barren zephyr it was pouncing a stationary, non-controlled ai, id expect it would fight back more if there was a player controlling it and actively trying to fight back, instead of sitting there and letting themselves get eaten
oak marsh
@ nibs feedback; “sucking eachother off / idk if the team is trying to appeal to scalies”
Yeah I don’t see it like that at all bud 
sage helm
^
barren zephyr
ayee I understand what Nibby was saying at first but I'm at a loss at the last half of that suggestion, like? lmfao what even
I think though that as it is now, the pounce looks great
I could feel the weight of the utah as it got knocked to the ground, and I like the way it rights itself afterward too
sage helm
I doubt its finished
Showing progress on the pounce
Not a complete model
Animation*
barren zephyr
Hey guys, sry bout my horrible suggestion if replacing the threaten key with a growl key. I meant to state it should be added. I'll proof suggestion next time. I just fell headlong in delight of giving suggestions.
Is the Titanboa worth mentioning?
indigo sun
Titanoboa isnt even being thought about right now
barren zephyr
Sure but wbu the future?
indigo sun
It could happen but theyre not talkimg about it at all cause it's a very difficult animal to do
barren zephyr
I understand, but if accomplished, it would be a piece of coded art!
indigo sun
Isnt gorgosaurus literally just alberto with a different name?
still temple
@flint lynx
- Why, explain mechanics
- Albertosaurus
indigo sun
Okay yeah it is
sonic cloud
When you make a skin for albertosaurus name it “gorgosaurus” and problem solved
indigo sun
Just add alberto into survival
slow snow
I def thing the pounce could look more like a fight but I don’t think it looks like it’s sucking the other off
Think*
latent cave
@flint lynx earlier nyta admin said, please not to vaugly ask for buffs nerfs or dinos to be added in unless you can expain in detail how it would funtion
so explain what your dino would be like in game if you want it to be considered
i think the utah ponce kinda looks like its play fighting
@ripe thistle you could donate to dondi and the devs on twitch perhaps
flint lynx
Well I kinda did but let me expand on it this is my first time doing this, it would be another mid teir dino to balance out between the apexs and the small bois. It would be a pack creature like allozaurus prolly not have alot of health but be fast and do a decent amount of damage mainly targeting small to mid teir herbies and if in a pack larger creature
Idk what exactly to say functionality wise considering idk how the dinos will function in the recode but after it launches I will remake my suggestion with greater details
covert birch
Expand it in the suggestion not here
flint lynx
Well too late
flint lynx
Yee but alberto isn't in surv
covert birch
Yea but dondi said he wants alberto
flint lynx
I was saying this could be the surv counterpart for it but idk
covert birch
Most nonsurvivals will be moved to ssurvival
flint lynx
If their adding alberto in then that will me dope
covert birch
There aren't counterpartd
flint lynx
Be**
covert birch
Just gotta wait till they do
rotund panther
How are u for giving herbs an defence mode which does more damage than its original damage?
flint lynx
Reet?
covert birch
Herbis getting a defense stance type thin is cool and all but personally I like herbis getting unique stuff like how carnis getting pounce
Charge for example can work for some herbis
rotund panther
Exactly, would that not be an cool counter mechanic?
Think like the tentosaurus get one to defend from utha?
sage helm
Defense stance that makes a slower more effective fighter would be nice
Actually hmmmm
That could be good
Make the herbies effective fighters when in a slower defense stance
This makes herbis good fighters but bad chasers.....
Also allows things like maia to be nerfed but still able to fight
Like
Keep its speed
Nerf its running damage
Keep/raise damage/turn when in defense stage
It runs from allos
Fights against a solo utah
And then chooses for in between
blazing charm
@barren zephyr Titanoboa's been arguably one of the most anticipated creatures since...uh, forever.
It's technically been planned, but nowadays no one know if it will actually happen. Basically postponed to focus on the more important stuff.
blazing charm
Yesterday.
sage helm
^
blazing charm
Actually hang on
sage helm
Its fine
blazing charm
There was something eellse
sage helm
?
blazing charm
It was a quote from Bryan, obviously take it with a grain of salt.
barren zephyr
•••
still temple
"""dinosaur"""
And wouldn't 190 degrees break a snake's jaws
blazing charm
Oh nevermind, it was an old screenie
Basically, I think the current stance on Titanoboa, is that its wanted, but hard to do.
barren zephyr
It had flexible tendons inside the jaw.
still temple
yeah, and 180 degrees = a straight line
barren zephyr
Yep
sage helm
150 is some modern snakes
still temple
so you don't see how 190 degrees would be a problem Soldier?
sage helm
That would make the jaw start going back in its head lol
barren zephyr
The centrifugal force is a huge advantage, in addition, it enables the reptile to get a better grip.
sage helm
.... What
still temple
I dont think you fully understand the fancy terms ur spewing out
sage helm
I dont think that... Really has anything to do with how wide a snake can opem its jaw
Thats how opening that wide could helo maybe
But it doesnt matter if it cant
Quick google search says it could open up to almost 180
Not past
barren zephyr
Hmm... I'll keep that in mind
still temple
so we just gonna ignore ur attempt at justifying a 190 jaw gape with centrifugal force
barren zephyr
I'm putting it aside.
rotund panther
@sage helm u pretty much explained it all perfectly
Had dinner so could not replay earlier but there was no need 👍
little tendon
imagine a dryo with 100 scars
sage helm
Np
raven agate
Will there be an option for server owners to have dino servers only? If not I think there should be 😁
north plaza
They've already confirmed you can.
indigo sun
Yes
wise knot
They should add Shantungosaurus to survival. If they do add it I hope it looks similar to this to the image below.
indigo sun
I believe shant is a soft no right now
indigo sun
It means like, not right now, maybe not ever but shit could change and it could happen
covert birch
@wise knot shant is practically dead since they want Para to be the biggest hasro rn
wise knot
Hmmmmm
covert birch
But it could come back like nines said
Doubt it will tho since a balanced shant is basically cama
wise knot
Maybe it could come back as AI
wise knot
That’s probably the best way. Make Parasaurolophus the largest playable Hadrosaur
It would make*
I have a feeling that those models we’ve seen in the past for example Rugops might come to the recode...
covert birch
Well shant is a TSL model too
So to add it as anythin it prolly will need a new model
lament thorn
covert birch
Also denis your the first shant lover that I've seen not complain a bunch when they learned its gone
wise knot
Hopefully they keep those neck spikes because it looks so cool. But the game looks good
covert birch
Apato will prolly be ai too. Since I feel like magy will be only playable sauro
Unless cama can work
wise knot
Even though I can’t get it since I don’t have a PC. But yeah, I’m Shan’t lover. Maybe they could make Shantungosaurus AI, make a new model and make it a rare dinosaur to find.
wise knot
Maybe have some dossiers on the status of The Isle creatures like, Shantungosaurus status is critically endangered or extinct.
covert birch
Prolly like after even humans
wise knot
Who knows
The developers will surprise us in the future
Hmmmmm
Will Hope be the final map or no?
indigo sun
We dont know
slow snow
70% is way too much stam
covert birch
@slow snow if your referring to my suggestion for dilo pounce. I chose 70% based around the fact i think venoms gonna be very strong. And also 70% is including the bite not just hte action. Also this gives ya 30% stam to quickly run away if its somethin larger than ya
slow snow
We don’t even know how venom is gonna work yet unless I’m missing something
And not nearly worth it
All it would have to do is walk at you
You can blow through 30% easy as dilo
indigo sun
there'll be different types of venom and we cant possibly know what type dilo has yet
covert birch
How much % did the pounce take off utah again?
slow snow
Don’t know but Utah also is faster and has a way bigger stam pool
covert birch
Just checked it took 50%
Yea well stam pools are bein changed with recode so we dont know how dilo will compare
maybe just 50% to keep it even. If venom is as dangerous as i hope it is
slow snow
I think 50% is much better because it’ll be stronger than Utahs but you’re also slower and don’t have as much stam
assuming it doesn’t change with recode
covert birch
Would be cool if they did a whole, slower dino=more stam/stam regen while faster dino=less stam/stam regen for these 2
slow snow
I can’t wait until we get more info on venom
covert birch
I hope that each dino will get diff venoms
ionic granite
Can some one inv me
indigo sun
what do you mean?
indigo sun
this isnt the channel for that. this is for discussing suggestions. if you're playing on an official server you can use one of the server channels available below or if you aren't on an official server you can find the discord for the server you're on and ask there
patent spade
godmode for admins doesnt seem like a good idea nor does the insta death bite. the abuse for those would be awful in the wrong hands
warped harbor
@pulsar lake isn't that just a snap of the official art?
warped harbor
There's no expression there at all, if you're gonna have an emote using a dinosaur's face, it has to be made to be an emote
pulsar lake
It looks a bit angry in my opinion but okay if you say that.
warped harbor
It's not official guidelines or anything, just my honest opinion on it
The expression has to be exaggerated a bit
Perfect examples here
pulsar lake
Okay, well I see that
trim haven
That'd be funny to see tenonto just flexing as its 3 call
barren zephyr
Has coelophysis or postosuchus been suggested before?
indigo sun
I believe they have been but it was a while ago. A new suggestion for either wouldnt be bad
indigo sun
@runic citrus
barren zephyr
Has the cryolophosarus been mentioned?
runic citrus
Thank you @indigo sun
barren zephyr
Is my suggestion the type that devs are looking for @somber parrot? I'm open for suggestions, friendly though.
somber parrot
Wat
barren zephyr
In suggestions about the cryolophosarus.
somber parrot
Let me check
barren zephyr
K thank you
somber parrot
Don't think so, i've never heard about it
barren zephyr
Are you sure about this? Because I read this from a book accredited by Smithsonian Museums. Where did you hear that?
@ebon tiger
ebon tiger
it's more or less the same size as Dilo though, perhaps a tad smaller, so i don't see how it could be an Apex?
barren zephyr
Utahraptor was also apex in its time
but it isnt in TI
because we have stuff like Giga, Spino and Rex
So should it be considered a carnivore then?
ebon tiger
@barren zephyr how old was the book? Cryo used to be considered a relative of Dilo, but now isn't
barren zephyr
ebon tiger
besides, the things you described about it are pretty standard for most theropods, so i'm not sure what would make Cryo special, besides looking fancy
functionally, it's more like a smaller Allosaur
oblique crown
That Theri emote I made is cleaner but lacks the blur effect, and the edited version of Cmgs emote looks bad lol because well look at it I think it's better to let her have her theri
ebon tiger
also, i had to double-check on Cryo's classification. seems it's not a ceratosaur like Dilo and Cerato, but a Tetanuran theropod of uncertain relation
barren zephyr
Where did you get that? If I may ask.
ebon tiger
quick google search. most hits mention Tetanuran, and there's some cladograms putting it next to Sinosaurus (which is not a dilophosaur, despite how it looks)
barren zephyr
Hmm... interesting.
indigo sun
i like the idea of a mongoose-like dino, i wonder what could be used for that
barren zephyr
Or a repenomamus?
ebon tiger
both are small, and have pretty mean tusks, so are generally considered volatile little monsters lol
sure, they're herbivores, but could be ornery enough to have similar behaviour to mongooses or badgers
barren zephyr
How can we make the cryolophosarus interesting @ebon tiger?
barren zephyr
How about toppling a dino? It has four fingers and long arms...
ebon tiger
like i said, aside from it's appearance, it's pretty standard for a theropod
it doesn't have 4 fingers. it's 3. 4 fingers is a primitive condition found in ceratosaurs and herrerasaurs, but lost in Tetanurans and other advanced theropods
arms aren't overly long either
it's built like a lightweight Allo, tbh
barren zephyr
It looks slimmer tho.
ebon tiger
so it would be functionally similar
barren zephyr
Well, thanks for the critique @ebon tiger.
mellow maple
Atopodentatus is not a dinosaur
God damn it, another animal that's somehow confused with dinosauria? At least it's a reptile
ebon tiger
and the face doesn't look like that either
the skull was crushed, so it folded the jawbones to look like that weird vertical split, but in reality, it was like a T-shaped snout
solid salmon
I hope what im about to say comes under a balance change as its a genuine suggestion, the implementation of a grapple that can lead to a exicution or finishing move (that can be interupted at anytime) as in the animal kingdom predators tend to latch onto the neck or vital organs, the possability of seeing this in game would be fantastic, im not entierly familiar with the new combat system but do know grapples are indeed a thing or at least can be. If my suggestion is invalid i apologise and will not post here. Thanks :)
indigo sun
might want to put that in #general-feedback
solid salmon
Thanks will do
indigo sun
umm.. dejected no one on the dev team has ever considered realism over balance and they dont believe everything should have a chance in a fight against everything else, so i got no clue where the hell you got that idea
paper oriole
he probably had a diablo assride him as a rex lol
assriding won't be a reliable combat strategy after recode
ebon tiger
so @haughty orbit , like this? https://www.deviantart.com/isismasshiro/art/Dinosaur-safety-452994812
haughty orbit
@ebon tiger sort of but I’m leaning more towards the “Throw itself on its side to crush them then roll back to its feet.
ebon tiger
@runic citrus that pic you've used is outdated
the skull is more like this;
here's a better pic of the whole animal; https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Atopo3.png/800px-Atopo3.png
runic citrus
thank you @ebon tiger !
ebon tiger
no worries 😛
potent arrow
so guys
just here to spread awareness, i feel it's vital to the community as a whole
let's come together
analog fern
support the butthole
analog fern
#savethebutthole
shut moon
#savethebutthole
sour nest
#savethebutthole
unreal karma
#savethebutthole
winter pebble
#savethebutthole
torn canopy
#savethebutthole
craggy scarab
This isn't a place to spam
barren zephyr
Poor Dondi, we need official names for sure on Hope
twin snow
Hi im new to the discord server i am just wondering... What are they taling about in the anouncements?
God damn auto correct
Oof should have wrote this in dicussion
quasi stream
About the suggestion where allo should open its mouth 90 degrees, it was able to open it that wide, doesn't mean it should do it or that it did every time it opened it's mouth.
indigo sun
@knotty zodiac bodies floating in water is actually planned already. You will be able to grab the body and drag it out of the water as well.
knotty zodiac
ah thanks for the quick reply 😄 good to know 🙂
little tendon
I would make a suggestion about a sea creature but nobody would like it
somber parrot
@little tendon You would be surprise :p
little tendon
I just want dem sharks
last heath
@languid crown why tho?
and couldnt people just grief by saying ''invite me'' and not accepting?
languid crown
you wouldnt send invites out to random people, and if you grief your gonna earn a reputation for it
last heath
but how many would you be able to grief before you gained enough of a ''reputation'' so people dont invite?
also, I think nest invites are getting changed anyway
languid crown
it is meant to simulate the high deathtoll on unborn dinos, without disadvantaging those actually wanting to be nested in and providing a scavenging/omnivore food option that doesnt just result in people targeting your nests
last heath
why do we need to simulate ''the high deathtoll on unborn dinos''?
wouldnt we want to make people nest more? cuz at that point might as well just spawn as juvi and call it a day
languid crown
atm there is no real reason to be nested in, prehaps that will change in the recode. there is no real need to add anything besides adding more layers to gameplay and player interaction, this way your punishing nest invite spammers and creating a food source tat has the portential to add alot of fun gameplay as the smaller dinos, trying to find old abandoned eggs.
i know its a very bare bones concept, and it could probably be tweeked more when more nesting info is released, but until then ill think about it some more
lilac swallow
Nice one @viral creek
viral creek
thanks mate
lofty sundial
stop with this sinkhole butthole shit.
its disgusting and just mind baffling at how immature one can get.
shell willow
yesss colors
barren zephyr
The mimic dino does interesting, but the monopolphosarus an upcoming dino @barren zephyr?
Yes.
Is it pinned?
Yes it is.
covert birch
Call mimicks would be better suited for strains imo
Like neuro is all about brain fuckery so it fits for em real well
covert birch
Imo a better idea for mono would be a mongoose type thing where it has resistance against the venoms
empty dove
@remote torrent idk what ur tryna suggest there?
remote torrent
I am asking if the Deinosuchus will spawn in the swamp area or will it spawn in the forest when you play as it
And if anyone suggested dino pick determine where you spawn
empty dove
questions don't go in suggestions
remote torrent
My suggestion is Base on the dino you pick you will have possible spawn locations for that dino, because how we spawn now the Deinosuchus will mostly die since it is ambush predator and the swamp is mostly its home so it should always spawn near water or something to give it more survivability
covert birch
@hard perch yes people have and a majority of people dont want poop
barren zephyr
I would like the cyrolophosarus to mimic.
no cryo tho
I wish there was. I know it isn't special besides the speed and bleed.
hard perch
It would be great to be able to spawn with your group rather than spawn far away from them. If this is already an option please forgive me. Been playing since last week.
safe galleon
like tp to them or when you spawn in?
cus you can't be in a group before you spawn in
hard perch
when you spawn back in and you were with them right before death
covert birch
For spawning I want groups of species to spawn around certain area. So trikes, dibbles, allos, and Utah could spawn in a certain area. While rex, para, stego in other areas. Then after spawning ya can go from area to area
hard perch
but wouldnt that just make people want to spawn camp?
empty dove
@potent sparrow that's a thing already
hard perch
so if you can spawn with your group, wouldnt that help with the spawn trapping situation?
covert birch
Plastic it wouldn't be spawn capable since you would spawn randomly within the area. And when I say area I mean extremely large ones.
barren zephyr
@storm plinth you need to have another reason other than "it would be cool"
wintry cipher
Nesting
barren zephyr
In addition to why
valid zephyr
I think you should be able to spawn in the same 25% of the map or so, but not directly with them. That makes nesting pointless.
barren zephyr
True
And, some dinos were independent, unless mating, they could travel hundreds maybe even thousands of miles to get to a place
I like the traveling, it's relaxing or hair raising
hard perch
feather raising* FTFY
rocky iris
@storm plinth blood on the mouth is gonna be a thing we just gotta wait for it to come out
nova skiff
@latent cave your post is exactly what I am concerned about with that mechanic. While it would be really awesome, it has the potential to be exploited and make the game less interesting
So well said! I really like the idea that the stamina pool would be drained
latent cave
Unfortunetly their is no love for making dinos more like their real counterparts, since many people learn various dinos from the isle first, and are then stuck on the isle version being the right version, as such the most people are agginst fixing the more unaccurate dinos most notably acro, and unfortunetly the wonderful Austros who are the same height as utahs, simplying having less bulky bodies with longer legs much better adapted for long distence running then utahs, and weighing slighly less.
@nova skiff like wise people don't like systems that would make certain poorly represented dinos better if it means their dinos will have more danger or annoyances to deal with.
indigo sun
@indigo drum discuss suggestions here
@barren zephyr same thing
Stop discussing in suggestions
rare bramble
yes
barren zephyr
Ok
rare bramble
suggestions are for sugestions
barren zephyr
@indigo drum stop chatting there
Should spino like the hypo walk on its hands when it crawls
rare bramble
i wish bary was replaced by irritator