I never saw the take off animations, if anyone has a clip mind linking me?
#general-feedback-discussion
barren zephyr
craggy scarab
@barren zephyr read pinned messages in #general-feedback, have to elaborate when asking for buffs/nerfs
craggy scarab
You can edit it if you want
barren zephyr
Now? Better?
paper oriole
lmao who is saying dondi has run off with the money except maybe pootis supporters who dont even like the isle
indigo sun
Its more that you should elaborate on why it should have those buffs/nerfs
barren zephyr
I’m bad at suggestions if someone could help that would be great
indigo sun
Why do you think pachy should have bonebreak? How would the bleed regen help them?
Not that im disagreeing, just, provide an explanation
paper oriole
hearting your own suggestion 
umbral prairie
I haven't seen a single person say that dondi ran off with the money before I read this suggestion
thorn wagon
☝
paper oriole
people are just getting impatient, nothing more. and people from other games are trash talking, which is unimportant
valid flower
@crimson sundial Modern animals is cool, but this game is all about dinosaurs, which is completely different and I’m pretty sure many dinosaur lovers and followers would be pissed if they chose to change the game into a modern animal survival game instead, which won’t happen, devs worked too hard for this.
crimson sundial
@valid flower Yeah it could be an expansion or sequel in the far future, who knows
valid flower
Maybe a second game yeah, but not a replacement
crimson sundial
Yip
mellow maple
That gave me inspiration though
Would it be too far fetched to say indigenous life exists on the isle
Not saying wolves n such but small rodent AI would be cool for juveniles and Utah to hunt down
barren zephyr
Wait
I think The Isle but with modern animals instead of dinosaurs is a bad idea
- Many games like that exist already
- The game is going to be a sci i/horror game, i don't see what's scary with deer
sorry if this sounds rude
sick pond
That’s not a suggestion really, they wanted the devs to make a whole new game with modern animals.
paper oriole
if it was other prehistoric fauns like ice age animals in the style of isle it'd be neat but that isnt the subject of the game, modern animals like wolves already has a ton of shit for it
sick pond
Ice age mammals would at least be interesting, even if they might seem out of place.
valid flower
Is it based on mordern survival animals
like lions, rhinos etc
basically the isle modern animal version
indigo sun
Theres some roblox game with a bunch of african animals or some shit thats i guess attempting to be at the level the isle is at
wheat igloo
#401510382981742593 please
valid flower
@indigo sun Roblox...
I'm talking about games that r specifically aimed for one thing
roblox has everything even porn lol
wheat igloo
Again, #401510382981742593 please.
brittle bough
@barren zephyr no real reason to have such tiny prey, the isle is meant to be a relatively sterile testing environment more than anything so introducing other mammals wouldnt benefit that much, and what purpose would zebras/lions/etc serve? you cant just go "add thing" and have that be the whole suggestion pff
indigo sun
Those would be the most useless creatures in the isle besides like, taco or some shit, since that thing cant even run. But this isnt Africa, it's a tropical island where humans are fucking with dinosaur genes. Nor is this game just for animals. It's a survival horror game involving dinosaurs and mutated creatures. I cannot see any reason to add modern animals besides maybe like, seagulls or some shit as ai on the beach or maybe some modern fish.
Also yeah @barren zephyr gotta have more than "add this"
paper oriole
lmao why do people keep wanting boring modern animals like lions and zebras in a dinosaur game
"guhhh i wanna play wolf pack RP in a dinosaur game"
barren zephyr
God i Hope that lions and zebras suggestion was ironic
ionic comet
Lions and zebras wouldn't even make sense considering the island's environment
lilac swallow
Lions would just get screwed by utahs and dilos
I wonder if people now that even a dryo is bigger than a human
oblique sluice
People tend to forget that dryo is cow sized
indigo sun
Yeah its a big animal
indigo sun
No
Taco is
Well
Its the size of a large house cat
Apparently i couldnt just send the photo so here
brave jasper
shetland pony size
tawdry sigil
wow
lilac swallow
I wasnt refering to your image
I was refering to the in Game dryo image someone has posted some time ago
indigo sun
Dryo isnt the size of a horse no matter what image youre using.
Its like up to the middle of the torso on the human thing
frosty crystal
Dryo horse size? Wtf
indigo sun
It could be like, a large pig maybe. Small cow. Not a horse. At most a pony.
lilac swallow
Ok wait, im searching the isle's dryo in Game size
this is the ingame dryo i was refering, not a horse like i said but not the midget you posted
lilac swallow
And idk but pretty sure cows are around the size of a horse and even heavier at least spanish ones
wintry cipher
Farm girl opinion: that's about Gersey cow size. Small one but meh. Still a shit load bigger than a lion, wolf, or zebra in length.
Modern animals would be utterly helpless
lilac swallow
Maybe because spanish cows are big cows i freak whenever someone says dryo is cow sized
wintry cipher
Yeah I've seen a few Spanish blooded. Not many but holy fuck they are tall
lilac swallow
Thats why i freak everytime someone says dryo is a cow my cow reference is a Big one
indigo sun
My reference is an average cow
craggy scarab
@little tendon and @polar haven #general-feedback is not a place for discussion. There is #general-feedback-discussion for that purpose
polar haven
oops sorry 🙂
paper oriole
A cooldown for eating is dumb, the only 'cooldown' should be getting to 100%
Also more plants are coming
polar haven
oh ok that's cool 🙂
little tendon
Sorry
polar haven
lol i was confused as well sorry 🙂
wheat stream
im looking foward too all new changes som will come too the game
polar haven
i'm always up to seeing new updates 😛
little tendon
Herbs would be a bit overpowered if they ate grass and tree leaves
polar haven
yeah that's true i just found it odd how you have all the grass and such around you and cant eat it is all 🙂
wheat stream
yea and so it would been more realistic survival a big herd herb would not be good foor bushes tree etc
little tendon
Its like:
Trike: I'm starving I'm gonna die!!
Also trike: in a grass field
polar haven
lol ya that's how i felt when i was on my baby trike and the nearest food was like super far in the distance lol 😛
nocturne sonnet
@digital nest 1 think the herra is a bit heavy and the bite would be just 100 i think because the head is so small but but everything else is pefect
maybe just 600 weight
digital nest
@nocturne sonnet I went off of the weights and biteforces of the dinos from the character screen which labels dryo as 700 KG, 150 N is the power of a galli kick according to the same menu so I wanted the raw dmg to be the same as a galli kick but with some extra bleed cause ya know.. teeth
In order to make Herra viable and not just a glorified juvie utah I had to beef it up quite a bit. Otherwise nobody would play it
digital nest
that’s fine! I’m pretty sure the stuff in the menu isn’t correct irl but it’s what we got
I still want herra to be scared of mid tiers like allo/sucho, but in a large enough/skilled pack you could take down smaller mid tiers and even a fresh sub apex if you’re smart
sage helm
I mean a quick google said herrera had a "sliding jaw" that gave it extra leverage when grappling its prey
Maybe a pounce duration bonus?
Again
A very quick googke search
digital nest
I was thinking of adding a grapple to my suggestion but I think the divebomb is enough, though maybe a grapple can be part of that? would be hard to code
sage helm
Maybe the grapple could only happen when divebombing from above
digital nest
divebomb would only happen from above, so a successful one could possible grapple onto prey
sage helm
Ye
craggy scarab
@scarlet ocean discussion or replies to suggestions are not allowed in #general-feedback
viral creek
@jovial moss I like the concept, however I feel 50% is a bit too much.
jovial moss
Yeah maybe, I was just putting in a half way number tbh
25% might work better so it's not like OP
viral creek
yeah
viral creek
very nice
barren zephyr
still temple
Allosaurus maximus is not needed as we already have Allosaurus in game
barren zephyr
Tarbosaurus 2.0
woven storm
I mean it sounds and seems like it differed enough in its nature to warrant an inclusion, It as larger and its still under debate if its different enough to have its own Genius. It was merely something I thought was cool enough to be suggested, Im not sure what gameplay it would have but since alot of the basis of the creature is speculative the team could go ham with it. Design a concept and unique appearence and make it its own thing. Im not saying for 100% that it needs to happen merely that its a cool dino, and could be cool to see roaming around. Alberto would be cool to and its already in the game, its a smaller species of Rex (Granted its not playable at the moment.) But having a Genius of allo that could count toward an apex would put it on a different level/playstyle than its smaller cousin.
last heath
@polar haven need more than just 'it neat'
blazing charm
@woven storm It needs something unique to warrant being added. Ad it currently stands Sauro is just a bigger Allo
polar haven
i didnt mean to press enter lol
polar haven
not used to really doing longer posts and i wanted it to look decent and hit enter to have a space but it sent lol. 😛
i just think it would be nice to have long necked dinosaurs in the game more common since as it stands right now dinosaurs that huge are slow and cumbersome and a diplo would be more able to get around quicker (for its size) plus the tail attack would be something nice due to attacks with its tail at least realistically would do some serious damage if things get in the wrong spot. so it would be more of a dance on carnivores keeping near the head of it and the diplo circling to keep the carnivore at it's tail.
woven storm
I mean if you would think about what it could do, It could easily outnumber and bully current apex's. But it wouldn't need the head-count of its smaller cousins, It could probably be a ton faster than the other apex's and sure it might not have quite the punching power but if you put even one of them against a rex or a giga it could compete with relative ease.
Now you put three of them against two rex's or two giga's and the potential gets larger, of course its prey of choice would be smaller allo's and cera's perhaps even raptors. But it wouldn't stop it from doing what it could to larger predators or prey items, It would be like our sabertooth tiger. Not large enough to really contest say a short-faced bear but could hold its own. It would be geared toward three man groups who could and would hunt apex's, So rather than the spino, giga and rex basically being free to kill as they please they would also have this thing out there. And if three of them packed up and found a solo they could, if played correctly effortlessly juke it into dying.
to be honest Im not sure, I mean allo's can already contest apex's as can raptors (Which is wrong in its own way) so until we see what the recode does for these creatures currently in game I couldn't tell you. Id have to see where the design of the game is going, how the new changes would work and what they would bring. If we base it now and off what we have now Id say, its faster and has just under the average level of punching power for an apex, it would have a better turn radius. It probably would have great night vision too and basically be while the smallest apex we have, the most versitile in what it can and can't hunt.
^ When I say its wrong, I mean I think its wrong that raptors even two of them can if played really well dunk a rex. Especially with how long it takes to grow a rex (this is on servers without Alt turn which would be the majority of servers, outside of the offical servers.)
blazing charm
What about mechanics? Any kind of unique ability?
woven storm
I mean Im not sure, It would probably be a hybrid between bleed/power and again would be quick. I imagine It might have a faster crouch movement speed. Perhaps better tracking abilities, so long sight while using its scent sniff and potentially again could have better night vision. Maybe it has a second attack where it uses its arms to do slashing damage, since it seems to have pretty long and versitile arms. (At least they appear longer than allo's)
Im not fully sure what exactly it would do/bring, but Im not a developer. If I had to bet and put my finger on something Id say make it a hybrid apex that is capable of having punching power while also using bleed. Each attack used for different effects, the slashes could be used for bleeds and the bite for power hits. Maybe give it the ability to leap on and latch to apex's with the recode? Like climb onto their back and deplete stamina kinda like a lion does to larger prey items. Again this is 100% speculative and it came from me going "Hey this thing looks cool, its stated it could of used scavenging/hunting as its methods of obtaining food. And according to all the fluff it competed in size with a rex. So neat."
But now that I think about it a hybrid hunter, linked into the apex's being more of a jack of all trades master of none capable of adapting to whatever prey its currently hunting could be cool. Especially in a three man team, give it a bit more speed on its crouch so it can easily sneak up and ambush prey. Plus it would also be cool to have another apex, one more geared to dealing with the other apex's as their desired food items rather than it just hunting everything and anything that moves. (It still could, but it would be more pushed toward an apex hunter.)
unborn quail
Saurophaganax was lumped into genus Allosaurus, in all retrospect It is just a bigger Allosaurus, there's no call to have it added when A. We have giga as our bleeder apex, or B. You could just size up the Allosaurus already ingame
blazing charm
What you just described sounds like Spino with the claw attacks.
unborn quail
And Allo is already recieving the lion like grapple you described
Not to mention, A. Maximus is not as big as people keep thinking it is, Giga and Rex still outsize it by a mile, it's basically on par with sucho, just slightly shorter
woven storm
Wasn't aware, was just an idea. my bad.
blazing charm
All good. Don't take anything we say as discouragement, if you really believe in the kind of playable you suggested I totally encourage trying again.
woven storm
Perhaps, It was just a spur of the moment thing before work. I should of thought about it a bit harder, Ill go look and search for a more unique dino and then make an actual proposal. I wasn't meaning to make it sound like your guys discouraged me, it actually helped me think about it. So thank you guys ~ I just was and am not able to really give much at the moment, I might try again when I get home tonight.
Have a good day everyone, again thanks for the discussion and insight as well the cirticisim.
sterile egret
@woven storm Acro could play the role of Saurophaganax as you mentioned, plus we already have Acro assets ingame as is
I'd like for it to play the role as you mentioned as a subapex dinosaur, something that can bully apexes in numbers and is powerful enough on its own to bully off mediums, but not to the extent apexes can. Essentially, it's a tradeoff between spending less hours growing than apexes, but just a bit more than mediums to get something right in between the two tiers.
As for unique mechanics, it did have an unusually strong pull, but seeing as how allo is getting an arm grapple I'm not sure that giving Acro a 2.0 version of the same would be feasible. I don't think it could have reared up on the sides of sauropods either, using its upper arms to grip powerfully, but then again this is sci-fi and we have utahraptors with broken wrists, so maybe give it the ability to rear up on large prey? I'm under the impression Allo can only grapple whatever is at its height, but Acro is large enough to get to the higher parts of sauropods and is large enough to grapple apexes and wrestle them around.
blazing charm
Acro's model has to be redone
sterile egret
well yes, but it would be less work than having an entirely new model done from scratch (unless they don't remodel it from that starting model and do a new one from scratch)
neon tide
that saurophaganax is an interesting idea, however I don't understand the niche it would fulfill. I think the devs are already strugling with finding giga's niche.
mellow maple
I am inspired to do a case for diplodocus
I believe that sauropods can work for survival.
I just need to word it correctly
polar haven
that would be awesome i just thought it would be a nice addition and i liked the idea of the tail whip attack 🙂
torn thistle
lilac swallow
Sauro as just a bigger allo would just be acro, and acro is already unlikely for survival
mellow maple
Saurophaganax is a genus people are unsure of. There's not enough material of "Saurophaganax" rn to judge whether it's separate genus, larger species of Allosaurus, or the same species as Allosaurus fragilis.
Current consensus: Might or might not exist. @torn thistle
In case you wanted to know ^^
paper oriole
#SauropodGang
mellow maple
Watch me fellas. I'll make a good case a diplodocid
clever hinge
@woven storm if there is something on land that can kill the apex’s then they are no longer apex’s, rex and giga are apex on land, spino is currently water tho that will change to be semi aquatic, deino will be apex in the water, quetz in the air, I really don’t think it has a place, also it lived after the Mesozoic and the only thing planned that I know of that will not come from that time is tianaboa.
woven storm
Well I never geared it specifically for Apex's The idea is its dangerous to everything, not just the apex's. But in a straight head to head if an apex got ahold of it of course it would die. The complaints of my previous idea is that for one it looks too much like something we already have, and has no unique mechanics we can give it.
I looked for large predtors in the suarian variety but I couldn't find anything distinct enough to be between a medium and an apex, that isn't and hasn't been already discussed or even teased. (Or exists in the game and is not ready for release into survival.) So I turned to something else, somewhere else because they are 100% right if we go based on distinguishable and different Apex predators Im not sure what else could come to mind. Megalania in no way would be an Apex but a buffer between apex and mediums, It could kill an apex pretty handily with a few bites and while getting the drop on one. But when it comes down to a face to face, Im pretty sure a rex would absolutely dunk it no contest due to bite force and size.
I mean as for time-line wise, it could just be that megalania was an experiment. With as limited as our knowledge and resources toward remains are The Isle's "Creature creators" (The ones in lore) could of seen megalania as a worth while endevor. Venom, strong bite force capable of bringing down prey many times its size? They could weaponize it or even use it as test bed for other species of prehistoric creatures. Lore wise it could even be elaborated that they let it out to see how it could compete, see if it could surrvive in an enviorment with creatures that should out-class it. Any mad scientist would want to see the outcome of such a species in an enviorment with creatures that it perhaps was never geared to face.
brittle merlin
@barren zephyr the main issue i see with this, is that is not realistic... there are no movement debuffs irl other then just injuring the leg or foot which is something that will be worked on as part of the recode... the only "debuff" i can see making sense is blurred vision which could only come from venomous creatures
brittle merlin
i agree, when the recode is done ofcourse... atm their venom is used as a anticoagulant which prevents blood clotting causing non stop bleeding similarly to vampire bats
indigo sun
The "venom" they have already suits a hit and run tactic very well
You dont bite something to make its vision blur then just run away from it
You bite vital areas, make them bleed out, and keep away from the damage-dealing bits of the creature
brittle merlin
i think venom and possibly bacterial infections from dinos like the cerato who are supposed to fit the hyena niche have a lot of potential
indigo sun
Cerato having an infection thing would be neat
But dilo is perfectly fine as it is with the bleed mechanic
brittle merlin
i think future creatures with different types of venom that do different things could be a lot of fun and be really unique if done right...
indigo sun
Other things, yeah
brittle merlin
and blurred vision would work fine for a dilo, because then they would fit more of a swarm type niche of running around the victim bighting its butt while it stuggles to keep track... leave the hit and run niche to the utahs
indigo sun
Thats just, whats the point when it's more efficient to bleed?
brittle merlin
you would prefer efficenecy rather then a fun, unique, and new way to hunt?
if you want to do the bleed hit and run, go play a utah or herra
indigo sun
The efficient way can be fun. And will be more so and possibly more challenging with locational damage and collision
Dilo was meant to be the heavy bleeder though. It bites vital areas and gets a good amount of bleed, keeping the creature on its feet when it is bleeding out. Utah is a pack hunter that uses pounce and shit to take on big prey. So idk what you mean by utah being a bleed hit and run creature
brittle merlin
they need to specialize the creatures in the game to fit a unique playstyle and niche, utahs and dilos do the same thing atm, but one is better at night and the other is slightly faster... make utahs have better bleed and the be the pack bleeders and make dilos the ultimate swarming pack hunter who disorients their prey and takes them down slowly
indigo sun
Why make utahs the bleeders when theyre getting pounce and stuff to swarm and overtake creatures?
brittle merlin
the pounce will just add more bleed... what do you expect pounce to do when it is added?
indigo sun
The point is you get on the animal and do some damage. I mean bleed is obvious with sharp bits. But what the fuck does blurred vision even do for dilo? Oh no, my vision's impaired but i can still chase your ass and run after you with minimal damage to myself
grave karma
you just answered your question
brittle merlin
the whole point of the blur is that it makes it hard for the victim to understand what is going on and see the dilo pack running circles around them
indigo sun
So are we upping dilo's damage then?
Cause its kinda useless if youre doing fuckall damage that was meant to accompany bleed instead of being the main method of attack.
Didnt you just assume you were right and this was clearly the way things should be? I dont wanna argue but i feel like that's pretty much what happened there
brittle merlin
if their venom got changed their would obviously be balance changes, thats a no brainer
but it just makes sense, in real life venom's main function is not as an anticoagulant... the anticoagulant feature of the venom comes from the proteins in the venom and is only a side effect... venom is made to attack the central nervous system and/or the internal organs, not make them bleed more
the only animals that use anticoagulant for the anticoagulant part are animals such as leeches, vampire bats, and mosquitoes... animals that need the blood specifically
and you obviously dont remove the dilo's bleed all together, it makes sense their teeth would still cause bleeding, but it would be drastically lowered
@indigo sun
dusk steeple
Not entirely correct Grimm, there are currently two (known) rear-fanged colubrids that have haemorrhagic hemotoxic venom: boomslangs and vine snakes. Usually hemotoxins induce coagulation, but in these two it prevents coagulation so its not completely out of the picture to have a haemorrhagic effect. Although technically it would be internal bleeding.
strange mesa
While not an actual suggestion, someone should gather information on Torvos and suggest that.
barren zephyr
If anyone could help me on my suggestion that would be nice!
nocturne sonnet
@barren zephyr Well i dont think IT would be that fast that IT could Catch a dryo
barren zephyr
i'm not saying it would be as fast as dryo tho
pulsar lake
Omnivore apex should be deinocheirus.
Egg stealers like Oviraptor or gigantoraptor don't need to be huge, it could be a small or lid tier.
barren zephyr
Anzu is a small tier, Giganto is a mid tier.
brittle merlin
@dusk steeple because it just doesnt make sense, any animal that uses venom (other then maybe a komodo dragon) had no real use for it since their teeth dont make large enough gashes or puncture wounds for the bleeding to really be a deadly threat for any decengly sized animal... not to mention if they bite something small the blood will then be attracting all kinds of other predators to come steal their kill
dusk steeple
Its not bleeding from the wounds, its internal. Cells undergo hemolysis, coagulation either stops or kicks in and you exsanguinate from the inside. Yes, prey relocation is needed as it is much slower than neurotoxins but the snakes which employ it have the ability to track the proteins used. Hemotoxins are on a general note more insidious than neurotoxins as it can take hours to show symptoms post-bite, not to mention that successful antivenom treatment may not even prevent you from suffering from limb loss, brain damage and multiple blood transfusions.
It is a slow method, but it clearly works.
hybrid canyon
That would be neat imo, but prob hard to incorporate as a mechanic in game
tender rampart
@woven storm I kinda do like the idea of having Megalania in the game but I think you made the thing way too unbalanced compared to the other dinos we have in the game. You wanna make it have better smell, better night vision, have a unique sensory ability that lets it sense close by prey by the vibrations they make, have great bleed PLUS venom, and you want to make it be an ambush predator that ALSO has a large enough stamina pool to run things over long distances? If you make it have all these traits it will put most of the other dinos without a job IMO.
indigo sun
Yeah thats a bit much
normal fern
Gigantoraptor is essentially an ostrich to an allos lion/tiger
Can certainly kick the bugger and give him a few scars, but should really be running as the Allo will overpower you pretty quickly.
Carno is more like a cheetah and cerato is like a hyena and neither should be taking a giganto on alone as one well placed kick will break your spine.
@pulsar lake @barren zephyr
polar haven
i like how i went from suggesting a diplo to a compy...such size differences but i like interesting dinos like that lol
brittle merlin
@dusk steeple i am not talking about eternal bleeding, i am talking about the bleeding currently in the game, going on the previous arugment between me and strike
@polar haven compies are just to small, not to mention they would play exactly like velos play now... jusg make velos payable and boom
of course with some stat changes to make them more fun and viable
polar haven
gotcha 🙂
brittle merlin
because they are even smaller then velos...
be like locked into babies and nothing else, meaning if nobody nests nearby you'll starve, unless they add like little reptile and bug ai in the future
polar haven
i'm all for little bug ai just to see baby dinos jumping for it. lol
craggy scarab
@mental sleet no discussion in #general-feedback
mental sleet
outer nebula
@slow hare you dont have to sign up for twitch to watch the stream you just cant talk in them, also they do make announcements here
craggy scarab
@slow hare you can’t tag developers as it’s against the #rules-and-info (you got lucky)
slow hare
well #550050411470651417 was blocked, had some issues before where couldn't view those vids without makin an account
outer nebula
thats dondis he has it set for subscribers only
indigo sun
Dondi's the only one
slow hare
@craggy scarab if a dev wanted to ban me for putting a suggestion in lol, i guess that would be fine?
still temple
It's literally against the rules to tag devs
outer nebula
bryan and fos are open for people to watc
indigo sun
Its not that you'd be banned for making a suggestion its that you'd be banned for breaking literally the first rule
umbral prairie
you can watch streams, VODs and stream clips without an account, the only thing you need an account for are dondi's VODs but the important things from dondi streams are in the stream clips
still temple
Guess you somehow missed reading the first channel on the discord
umbral prairie
the devs read the suggestions, you don't need to break a rule for them to see it
craggy scarab
@slow hare no issue with your suggestion it just looks like you tried to tag the developers. That’s the only thing I’m pointing out.
indigo sun
Instead he tagged poor Dev for no reason
Dev cant do anything about streams, he's just a simple discord user
slow hare
if you can't tag devs it can't be a rule break lol
you can customize discord to avoid that without having to put rules up for it
slow hare
anyways i know people like to pile onto a bandwagon when a mod calls someone out, you ALL don't need to repeat what trevor says lmao
barren zephyr
Then drop it please ^
slow hare
only mods need to enforce rules, simply was askin if dondi could set his stuff to public for viewing
star princess, im not the one letting all these folks jump on one person 😉
i get it, don't tag mods lol
barren zephyr
You can tag mods
slow hare
But that doesn't solve the initial suggestion of unblocking dev streams
barren zephyr
Just not the developers 🙂
slow hare
devs/mods w/e
craggy scarab
Yes let’s move on back to the suggestion itself
outer nebula
we said like a couple time that only dondi has it set to sub only bryan and fos are for everyone to see
umbral prairie
I think the important stuff in dondis streams is in the stream clips, although I agree that it would be nice to be able to see the whole VOD
craggy scarab
@fast flume it might be cool to put some of the streamed clips into your videos if they have one, will help @slow hare stay up to speed
outer nebula
also the reason you cant see them now is how twitch works with streams after 30 days since that stream the vod is then removed from the selectable viewed streams
slow hare
thx
fast flume
@craggy scarab I've actually picked up a trick or two to avoid youtube getting pissy about copyrighted music in between talking from the streams, so I will do so once we get more streams 😉
dusk steeple
@brittle merlin You brought up real animals, just saying that in terms of real animals its a perfectly viable mechanic 🤷 Considering the discussion over. 
brittle merlin
@dusk steeple we where talking about dilos and new mechanics for them... internal bleeding wouldnt really fit in the game to well since it would pretty much just be slowly dying just like bleed, except you dont see the blood
dusk steeple
Yeah I get you were talking about dilos and their mechanics, I was merely counter-arguing that your point that "the only animals that use anticoagulant for the anticoagulant part are animals such as leeches, vampire bats, and mosquitoes" is not entirely correct as there are snakes which actively use a haemorrhagic venom as a hunting strategy. Giving the dilo such a venom can work, it'd just have some minor hand-waving to keep the excessive bleeding external instead.
fast flume
Komodo's will literally bite waterbuffalo that are stuck once or twice, back off for a good 10-15 minutes or more, go in for a couple more bites, and rinse'n repeat
grim oak
Water snakes and garter snakes have anticoagulants in their saliva. I know this from firsthand experience 😅
fast flume
I'd say that's using the anti-coagulant properties of their venom atleast
dusk steeple
Not entirely sure why you pinged me to show me this? 
fast flume
were you not arguing that nothing but leeches, vampire bats and mosquitos actually use their venom for the anti-coagulant properties of it?
fast flume
ah, nvm me then
dusk steeple
No worries x)
brittle merlin
guys i specifically excluded komodos and sais specifically that most venoms have anticoagulants in their venom but it is not the main purpose, please actually read the whole conversation before trying to make smartass remarks and talk down to me
i am saying that they dont use anticoagulants in THAT SPECIFIC way as the primary function of the venom, the venom is meant to attack the central nervous system and/or the internal organs as i have already said... i get that there are a couple or snakes that use the anticoagulant to make the animal bleed INTERNALLY, but that is not what i was ever talking about... i was saying bleeding EXTERNALLY like the dilos obviously do in the GAME!
the only animals that use the anticoagulant to make the animal bleed EXTERNALLY on purpose are animals that use the blood specifically like vampire bats, leeches, and mosquitoes as i have already stated
i understand how anticoagulants work... ive studied a lot about animals... please stop explaining things that have nothing to do with switching the anticoagulant function of dilos' bleed for venom side effects that actually make sense
and would be more fun, which was the actual point i originally tried to make and i have no clue why you felt the need to argue about it constantly repeating the same thing as if it was new information
and with komodo dragons their venom is not the only factor of their bleed... they have very sharp and serrated teeth that cause major bleeding and the venom is rubbed in from glands inbetween their teeth that weakens the blood, puts the animal into shock, and cause paralysis in the infected limb
craggy scarab
@tiny python huh?
native vault
@tiny python wait what
lilac swallow
11 hours, doesnt seem a bit excesive?
tiny python
We could settle it to 9 hours.
indigo sun
Sounds like a good idea to me
lilac swallow
30 min would be enought, how many hours do you play a day?
tiny python
Make it 35
barren zephyr
Honestly I don't think it's the worst idea, though it's definitely funny imagining a dino screaming and making the sound of an airhorn
grave karma
so basically just mid tier killer?
3 tonnes and 450+ biteforce
40-41 km/h with ambush speed faster than carno
im all for albertosaurus in survival, but that stat spread is just too busted
invalidates allo completely
blazing charm
@empty dove You need way more detail than that.
grave karma
30 more minutes of growth than allo
pale prairie
40 km/h with 2 minutes of stamina, along with the weight and biteforce, am i the only one seeing this as incredibly unbalanced?
paper oriole
That grow time is too short for those stats
blazing charm
Alberto needs a unique mechanic of some kind, something to differ it from other playables than just stats.
"Why, it's soo similar to allosaurus?
Well because it's not that similar to the allo."
Okay, HOW is it different from Allosaurus?
You need to actually go into detail, you could talk about the statistical differences, combat styles.
unborn quail
What
The hell
Is that monstrous thing
Where does its strengths fail
Faster than allo, more health, heavier, more damage, only thirty minutes longer to grow
Jesus
blazing charm
Honestly I was so concerned with the lack of detail and unique ideas that I completely missed the stats.
unborn quail
I-
indigo sun
2 minute stamina for an ambush predator?
indigo sun
Doesnt giga have like 2 minutes or some shit? Some creature has 2 minute stamina and its not an ambush predator
indigo sun
2 minutes doesnt feel like the stamina of an ambush predator
unborn quail
Well first thing
Its not similar to allo.
It is, and there's nothing wrong with that, it's similarities to Allo is one reason why people like the idea of it, provides a nice alternative while being fairly similar
Nines, ignore the stamina, look at the base speed
paper oriole
That shits basically just allo on steroids, we see more than enough rexes we dont need mini rex screwing over the mid tiers too
unborn quail
Now the damage
indigo sun
Yeah that shits way too fast too
unborn quail
Now the health/mass
indigo sun
This is like, awful
unborn quail
If you're going to do Alberto, make it around the idea that the only thing it holds similar to rex is looks
And a higher than average bite force
indigo sun
4 hour hunger
unborn quail
Other than that, Alberto is nothing like rex
unborn quail
Its leaner, longer legs, smaller head, it's an animal built for speed, in sacrifice for the bruit weight and survivability rex has
Like, I'm all for more Alberto suggestiond
But that thing isnt an alberto
That's a miniature Rex
indigo sun
Ambush predators have average running speed but have a good multiplier that allows them to catch things if they hunt properly
This is just a fast, strong motherfucker that i cant see losing to anything that isnt an apex
I like alberto and it could be an interesting addition to survival with sub rex out of the way. This though, shows me no drawbacks for the animal whatsoever and just shows fucking crazy stats all around for it.
thorn wagon
That Herrera suggestion 
paper oriole
lol i like how in a headbutt suggestion rex is used instead of the dinos who actually already use their head to attack, why is it always rex
indigo sun
i really hate the idea of rex being able to do bone break by using its fat stupid head. how bout like, carno if it builds up the speed can ram an animal and break the leg if it is the same size or smaller
lilac swallow
A Rex headbutts isnt that bad(It is bad just not that bad) what is worse is that they, out of all dinos we have, thought of precisely the one with the strongest bite to have a head butt instead of a pachy or hadrosaur
indigo sun
let them aim their bites for bone break instead of both attacks doing it
lilac swallow
I know i also want Rex doing bb only if aiming at a leg
Is just that Rex was chosen for a headbutt suggestion instead of fucking headbutt Dino pachy
indigo sun
i really like bb on pachy. for little things though
obviously
actually no
fuck that
i want to bb a rex as a pachy
lilac swallow
No strike you will end just like maias
indigo sun
let me fuck up rexes as a little potato with a hard skull
paper oriole
A headbutt charge for pachy, trike, diablo, maybe carno, maybe maia
Rex is used in like every suggestion lol "dinos should have tail attacks, for example a rex..." Dinos should have collision headbutt, for example a rex..." "Some dinos should have better scent, for example a rex..."
paper oriole
Its pretty common, just kinda silly. I do hope they add some headbutt charge to some dinos though, just not so much for rex
Itd be neat if you could knock some things over with charge collision too and theyd have to get back up
tender rampart
@indigo sun It would be cool to see a carno headbutt something but sadly its bones weren’t really made for ramming. Their structure is too weak for doing that, they would break too easily
indigo sun
its
an example and realism doesnt matter look at utahs weird ass wristsl, something could be done with it anyway
paper oriole
Gameplay > realism
indigo sun
if its a cool mechanic that can be done well, who the shit cares. i'd be down for carno headbutting things
paper oriole
Carno has horns and would look cool and practical enough doing it so why not
He also isnt particularly strong and only has one attack currently
indigo sun
it'd be hella cool for carno to have a ram attack with that speed
tender rampart
Hmm I can definitely agree that it would look cool yeah, I don’t know about practical though. It has short horns that aren’t especially pointy either
paper oriole
So it would still hurt like fuck
lilac swallow
Basically if is not unveliebable(like trike being fast or Rex jumping) it can be made
indigo sun
if i stab you with the corner of a picture frame instead of a knife it'll still hurt
still does damage
paper oriole
50kmh ramming from even blunt horns wont feel great
lilac swallow
Just like when people say ptera wont hurt, pretty sure a horn/beak stabing you a high speed would hurt even if said horn/beak is weak
tender rampart
The thing is it would hurt the Carno as well cause its horns would break off. I think the only way to fit it into the game is to say that the carno’s horns were “genetically reinforced to enhance their structure and resistance to impacts”
paper oriole
The horns dont need to break
tender rampart
I’m just saying, realistically they would break off
paper oriole
Also if the carno rams a big ass dino like a camara it could take damage
lilac swallow
And the genetically reinforced argument do work
indigo sun
thankfully this is a sci fi game and theyre not real dinos so they can kinda do what they want within reason regardless of realism
paper oriole
The carno would risk taking reflected damage from larger targets
tender rampart
That’s why I’m saying the devs would have to do something like saying their bones are genetically enhanced
lilac swallow
They dont really need to say It, its implicit these dinos are modified
paper oriole
Ehhh not really, i mean the devs dont have to explain shant slamming its full weight onto its forelegs in its attack
tender rampart
I think they would need to, since the horns don’t look any different from the real deal
indigo sun
it really doesnt need to be explicitly stated, people dont expect extreme realism from this game unless theyre one of the idiots who didnt read the steam page. people would absolutely accept a horn attack
paper oriole
Only nitpickers would care, most would just be happy carno has a cool attack
indigo sun
if youre fluff, youll complain but no one else will, they'll totally accept that shit cause it's a cool idea
lilac swallow
For me the "these dinos are being bring to Life and made weapons" actually works for any unrealistic feature they could do
tender rampart
I can see that happening with players yea
I don’t think this mechanic will be implemented though, cause they wanna implement collision into the game and just imagine a carno ramming something like a giga or a trike and then literally being stuck next to them defenseless because they can’t go through them and it takes a good second for the carno to get back to full speed lol
indigo sun
the most probable point of the attack would be to stun and then attack so they can get some good hits in
lilac swallow
The raming carno could work with animals smaller than it
tender rampart
Do you think it could actually stun a trike though
indigo sun
not a trike
if youre stupid enough to run into a trike then why are you playing carno
paper oriole
Headbutting a large immovable dino like trike or cama would daze and/or reflect damage back at the carno
tender rampart
Maybe they can make it so you stun and also deal damage to things below a certain weight/class/size but only do straight damage to things above that threshold
Speaking in gaming terms only, I really feel like they should give every single dino a secondary attack/defend/ or mobility function
Aside from the normal bite/headbutt
paper oriole
Im hoping they do when recode is out of the way, like some already are going to like utah with pounce
tender rampart
Yep, every dinosaur should have a secondary function that makes them more unique in a way like Utah with the pounce as you said
I really like the idea of ramming, but with dinos such as trikes and pachys, possibly carno
paper oriole
Carno could charge small tiers and launch them with a scooping headbutt, would be a fun way to kill those port utahs
Could headbutt a utah and the body could slap into another one, now that would be beautiful
tender rampart
Like they can make trike have a charge in which they sprint towards their target at full speed but they won’t be able to turn at all or have a very limited turn radius during the charge that deals more damage than their usual headbutt and a chance of bb as well
That would be cool to see lol
paper oriole
Since trike is slow as shit already it wouldnt be too op to just make his headbutt deal more damage while running by default, unless he is faster while charging
tender rampart
Yea that’s fair I think, to give it slightly higher speed but can’t turn as well
paper oriole
Diablo is speedier so idk about him, a charge where he lowers his head readying for impact while running but has bad turn radius while in this stance maybe
bright tide
Well
rather than nerfing the turn, you could have a trip mechanic
Cause herbivorous animals with charging capabilities today have demonstrated quite often that their turn is not really effected by entering "charge mode". However, their chances of tripping up or getting surprised from behind increase
valid flower
@wanton root You really hate trikes dont you
bright tide
...pfffffft hahahaha. I just tried to imagine a rex getting its head low enough to ram a trike's legs at a full run and it ended with the rex catching its nose on the ground and tripping over itself spectacularly
barren zephyr
Sounds pretty accurate
topaz epoch
@indigo sun Serious suggestions only. Read the channel descriptions. This is the only warning you'll get from me about it.
indigo sun
i was being serious though
topaz epoch
😒
indigo sun
like, that was a legit suggestion and ive been thinking about that one for a while. I know its fucking stupid but i was serious
topaz epoch
Playable rocks? Really?
indigo sun
yeah
topaz epoch
No.
indigo sun
im not trying to argue but that was a legit suggestion. i'll leave it though
wanton root
@valid flower no not at all. I love all dinosaurs. The Trike is my favorite herb.
wanton root
The headbutt for rex was just an example. Not saying that it needs to happen but with other herbivores and some carnivores it would be really neat.
I actually made the suggestion for collision because I hated walking next to some and each of us walking through each other.
limpid dove
For the fight stance suggestions, I personally like it. Reacting "crouch" to that suggestion only applies to very, very few herbivores and all the carnivores, making that reaction completely fucking useless lol. A nice idea would be that stego is slowly wagging its tail and/or swaying it, pretty much showing off its whacker. Or, trike pointing its horns towards you and every so often, digging its foot into the ground. It adds to the personality of the game and dinosaur, maybe itll cut back on the fact you wont need to 3-call and risk getting hit mid-cap, and instead show that you mean business by literally standing your ground
I like the idea, but, itll need more thought.
limpid dove
Possibly after ^
I feel a lot of work needs to be done with combat and whatnot. Although collision can be implemented, you still gotta work with other game mechanics, too.
loud tapir
@cyan anchor Its unofficial server that paywall dinosaurs not the game itself, there are multiple servers I know where you don't need to donate for dinos like spino
cyan anchor
Sure, but are any of them as reputable as the big 2?
& at the end of the day, my frustration is still behind why they're teasing new ones when we can't even play the ones that are already in the game, just not even finished.
Clarification - why the ones I'm referencing are in the game but not even finished to where we can play them in a normal survival mode where we use them like any other dino that's ready to be played.
loud tapir
Don't know what you mean by "the big 2" but anyway they won't finish the dinos that people pay for on their own will that isen't mean't to really be played before they can finish the recode so that everything can be made more smoothly
cyan anchor
Nublar and Nycta
loud tapir
I know 2-3 bigger servers that allow you to get spino without paying irl money.
cyan anchor
So, why devote time and resources to working on new dinos that aren't being efficiently made anyways (new dinos, pre-recoding) instead of finishing the ones they started?
loud tapir
Its more of a problem with the market than the game itself though, people allow them to continue to sell the dinos because they keep playing with that ruleset, if people don't like it, they can play on other servers.
Because all the sandbox dinos aren't even meant to be played to begin with as they aren't balanced in their current state and might be in the future AI (not spino ofc, but it doesn't revolve around just one)
cyan anchor
Sure, but Anky, Stego, Bary, Spino, Cama, etc., are all dinos that could very reasonably be finished one at a time instead of exhausting energy, time and resources to working on new dinos that are also going to be unplayable in some major survival servers.
Again, seeing a Deinosuchus is cool, but what'd be cooler is seeing one of the dinos mentioned being able to be played from baby-adult, and be fully functioning.
loud tapir
anky, bary and cama isen't confirmed for playable yet. Also with the new recode they are going to rework the bonebreak, bleed, weight and I think some more stats, so most of the balance changes that would be done, would have to be done another time just so they could balance them AGAIn adding to more work for the already short on developer team.
barren zephyr
In Teutonic you can buy dinos with tokens
Again I’d recommend to play on officials there’s no P2W
violet magnet
find a sandbox server that doesn't lock dinos behind a fucking paywall, maybe?
still temple
@cyan anchor then why play on unofficial servers
waiting for releases is a valid option. No one is forcing you to contribute to unofficial pay to play servers.
Spino and Stego are already being worked on. With stego being close to completion, and Spino's model fully rigged iirc
languid crown
man you bought an apex dino, went to the busiest place on the map, by yourself, and then complain when other people play the game and kill you?
still temple
paying to play a something in itself is an incredibly silly thing to do in the first place imo
cyan anchor
For f*cks sake, let's get back to my actual issue at hand, shall we? My main complaint that was brought to mind by my experience with the spino is that here we see new dinos being teased and we get these videos and such while there are technically playable dinos not even being finished yet to where they are generally playable.
Thank you all for picking out the frustration I vented for a moment there and taking that as my main issue, though. Bravo.
still temple
"just continue to be locked behind a donation paywall in survival"
I mean, this was one of ur main complaints as well
languid crown
they are fixing them?
cyan anchor
Thank you all for your comments. I will no longer be choosing to discuss this topic. If y'all would like to take this however you'd like to, go for it, but I'll be taking my leave of absence at this point.
violet magnet
ok
languid crown
have you not seen the new spino stuff? the camara updates we got about amonth before recode started? pachy and sucho two previouslly unplayable dinos got released into survival 2 months prior to the ca,ara stuff
bright tide
I think at this point it is just a lack of information for them
Dunno if they know that the devs are steadily working through updating existing survival playables as needed and working on overhauling non-survival dinos so that they are suitable as survival playable
indigo sun
@barren zephyr put it in #401465476661641217 because "fix this bug" isn't a suggestion. It'll likely be fixed with the recode anyway
barren zephyr
@indigo sun You beat me to it
wanton root
@bright tide yea on Anthomnia's you tube channel one of the dev's showed an example.
limpid dove
@lapis ember Recording for official servers is turned off simply because people will sit there for 5 minutes, record the server, log off, check the recordings and look for players, log back in, go to them, and kill them. While it's a hasty process, it's a dick move and it's not the way the game is played.
While I also think they should be enabled, I would rather them be disabled than to lose 6 hours on my apex because someone else was a lazy rat.
indigo sun
wasnt the recording system supposed to be removed anyway but it didnt work cause something fucked up in the code
limpid dove
I'm sure itll be brought back, it's a really neat feature and really good for going at different angles for dinosaurs and getting some nice screenshots. Cant really do that when you are the dino since your camera just circled you
Circles*
lapis ember
I'm just tired of rule breakers and KOSers getting away with things.
indigo sun
KOS? Killing on Sight isnt a rulebreak though
limpid dove
I understand. Screenshots are good evidence for stuff like that. Even if it doesnt show the name, the admins can try to work on who it was.
Also, that
barren zephyr
kill for sport is allowed tho
indigo sun
kfs isnt a rulebreak either though
lapis ember
Sorry meant kfs
barren zephyr
You can kill what you want on officials
limpid dove
You can kill freely, you just need to follow the pack limits when doing so
No mixpacking, no going over 15 for anything other than galli/utah/dryo/juvies, max 5 trikes and 3 rexes/gigas
barren zephyr
as long as it isnt beach camping
limpid dove
Herbs can mix but carnivores cant
barren zephyr
Spawncamp is the only forbidden kfs
limpid dove
^
barren zephyr
also trikes cant mixpack with other herbs (except dryos)
limpid dove
Unless the fresh juvie starts to bite you, that's probably the only acceptable time to kill a fresh spawn. That's what I was told.
barren zephyr
Um why?
limpid dove
Eh..
barren zephyr
Theres nothing wrong with kfsing
lapis ember
I just can't wrap my head around killing hatchlings and juvis with food around. For only two players
lapis ember
Utahs...
indigo sun
we killed a carno hatchling and it filled 7 dilos up
indigo sun
yeah
barren zephyr
okay wtf
limpid dove
Food points are fucked right now anyways.
indigo sun
some rexes had killed his parents and he came over begging us to kill him. we did and spent a good while eating just him cause his body didnt disappear for like, forever
limpid dove
Trikes are only worth like, 1000, meanwhile full dilos are worth 5000 😂 😂 😂
lapis ember
When an oro gives more food than an ava
limpid dove
But nonetheless, no recording on official servers. While it would be cool to catch a hypo that way, I dont want my dibble family to be annihilated by some lousy rexes that cant play fair lol
barren zephyr
^
lapis ember
Well that's a shame..
limpid dove
People break rules and sometimes they're caught in the act, but there's not much you can do. You could do actual screen recording from a third party program like OBS, that'll provide as evidence as well as screenshots.
lapis ember
But if people rule break one way they do it other ways
limpid dove
Mmh
lapis ember
People can be just slime balls and ruin the game for eveyone
limpid dove
Worth the shot
sterile egret
@empty dove I heard that omnivores will be entirely new dinosaurs. Galli makes sense though, but just echoing what I heard. We could possibly see deinocheirus, gigantoraptor, or some other omnivore. But, who knows they could change their mind. Galli is already a demon as it is now, so giving it omnivore capabilities wouldn't change much hehe. Now it can actually act out its murderous fantasies
grave karma
wdym fantasies
maiden anvil
@sterile egret I bet the galli would more prey on insects then flesh. Of course, there are no insects running around in the game but for a future update there could be bug AI added
@limpid dove the new stegosaurus already has it’s calls. They showed it long ago
limpid dove
what
i.....i never suggested anything about the stegosaurus. @maiden anvil
ive yet to see its new calls though, but i know it has new ones. any links? 👀
odd idol
@naive mango Although we really appreciate the gesture, your suggestion is more admin/mod related rather than game related which is what #general-feedback is geared for. :(
sterile egret
@maiden anvil ah yes I just made a suggestion for insects that I just got around to finishing now. They'd be a good option for hatchlings, juveniles, omnivores, and small pterosaurs to feed on as a supplement to their diet.
nocturne sonnet
@barren zephyr i think drowning comes
paper oriole
#SauropodGang yes please
limpid dove
@idle pulsar Pretty sure Baardo wanted to remodel Acro anyways, so he will likely be getting a new model. As for animations, I'm not sure about that.. I'm hoping that they sneak Acro into survival, as a playable and not just Ai
normal fern
Why would they sneak Acro into survival if we already have Allo and Giga?
And please don't say "CuZ i LiKe It!!!!"
mellow maple
I was gonna suggest Diplodocus but hey, Bronto would be sick too
any form of diplodocid is great
limpid dove
cause I like it
Let alone, acro would kinda be the apex of the non apex, a lot like Sucho is right now.
It could pretty much be sucho, except focusing on hunting on land rather than fishing.
It could kill allos, suchos and other acros, but also have its handed to it by the actual apexes if it let's them
languid crown
Acros wreck Rex arse on no alt turn servers
indigo sun
we're going off of officials, not unofficials where a utah can eat ass so good it kills things that took 3 times as long as it to grow
sterile egret
Because Acro can bridge the gap between mediums and apexes, and serve as a nice option for ppl to pick who want something stronger than mediums but weaker than apexes at the cost of less growth time.
For that sort of price, you get a dinosaur that can bully off midtiers (within reason, you're not going to take on huge allo packs alone) and serve as a threat to apexes in pairs. In the hands of a skilled player, it could be very, very good.
Weight won't be a factor into damage anymore, so technically allo packs could take down a rex if they were devoted to it, but it's pretty risky for them. Acro packs more power and can actually do so solo if it gets the jump on a rex and gets its jaws around the throat, but this isn't that realistic of a scenario because players aren't this oblivious, hopefully.
unborn quail
Sucho already does that, not to say another option isn't bad, but basing Acro's existence solely on 'iT cAn bRiDgE poWeR gAp' isnt enough.
sterile egret
oh well acro's coming in regardless as AI / playable on other servers
unborn quail
Never said it wasnt, in glad acro is coming, but trying to base its role on the Power gap isn't go to work for a survival creature
sterile egret
I guess any way you look at it there's no reason for the acro to come in
unborn quail
Or convincing people of its need when in all honesties, giga does its job better
Like, Acro will still be playable, it'll be Ai, hell it might even be in survival occasionally if the whole rotating roster happens
sterile egret
besides what can we do about small-medium gap? I'm all for adding new dinosaurs to bridge that gap and fixing the cera because it's in a pitiful state
but it's not like a dilo can realistically take on an allo
unborn quail
I mean, if Cerato is fixed, the Gap is bridged.
lilac swallow
I dont really care about the gap, what tires me is that people seem yo be buthurt that apex are apex
sterile egret
I'm not really butthurt about it
just trying to find reasons for acro, but any way I look at it there's no real legitimate reason for it
maiden anvil
@paper oriole I already know about the grazing but I haven’t heard of any tree eating
Nvm
paper oriole
dont they have tree eating planned for the sauropods and other long bois
wild pendant
2 words: Hypo Allo
paper oriole
as a colourblind person i 100% agree lol ive made the suggestion at least once
would much rather see "carno black" "dilo green 1" "utahraptor tan" to at least help colourblind people make a dino that doesn't look like bird diarrhea
clever hinge
They don’t really plan to make sauropods playable, but I know a lot of people want them to be
indigo sun
@empty sigil According to the pinned messages in #general-feedback, saying "add this dino" is not a valid suggestion. You need to be able to give and discuss possible niches and stats it could have and why they should spend like, 7k on it. I'm also pretty sure that batrachognathus is too small to be playable if "they haven't added anything this small". The smallest the devs are willling to go for playables is Dryosaurus/Pteranodon. Anything smaller is far to weak to do literally anything. Adding it for coolness is a waste of $7,000 and it would be better suited for ai if anything.
limpid dove
@clever hinge didn't dondi say that they found a way to make cama possibly playable in survival? Apparently there's already a juvie model
bright tide
So far the word in that the current cama is the juvie model and not an actual adult. However, no one really knows for sure at this point because one of the devs said it was not getting a size increase - which caused very lengthy discussions in the gen chat - but then Dondi came in and was like "maybe, maybe not" and it all just fizzled out from there
So no one really knows what is happening with cama other than it might come to survival
stone copper
dilos need a nerf they shouldn't be able to just run around at night and kill apexes, it seriously kills my will to even own the game having to fend them off every time the sun goes down. It would be reasonable to decrease the damage bleed causes especially to larger dinosaurs, they're not vampires ffs
barren zephyr
The bleed is supposed to be some sort of venom
@barren zephyr Actually no. Its an anticoagulant venom
stone copper
it's all fine to bleed for a long time, they can have this weird venom deal or whatever but having 3-4 of them dropping apexes left and right cause bleed deals so much damage is ridiculous
barren zephyr
the venom irl causes a longer bleed time. Not bigger bleed necessarily iirc
stone copper
im fine with the bleed time im talking bleed damage
it's crazy to think 3-4 bites can kill a rex
i wish i would have seen more dilo gameplay before i bought the game because if i had the knowledge i do now i wouldn't have bought the isle
dusk steeple
If they make it so the dilo gets an extended bleed effect then I can see them trimming how much bleed it actually does in general. Also I hope apexes can just squash dilos going underfoot
stone copper
time is no problem, im fine if im bleeding for 2 hrs and then dying but to not see them at night, get hit by each one cause you can't see what direction they attack from and then die in 20-30min is just bad gameplay
and that's only if there's 3-4 dilos, i've seen packs of 12 before
hasty parcel
Something needs to keep apexes in check....dilos do that for rex
hasty parcel
Not when ive most commonly seen them be too scared to attack one another 
And talking about current game balance really will likely be for naught after recode
stone copper
alot of people are hoping this recode will be a fix all and im thinking it's just gonna be polishing what they currently have and not much of a real change
hasty parcel
not much of a real change
stone copper
i agree though that we'll all have to pretty much wait till recode to see
hasty parcel
theyre basically rebuilding the game from the ground up
stone copper
it can still end up gameplay the same and just look prettier for all we know
dusk steeple
I'm kinda hoping that intraspecific fighting becomes more common down the line. 
Or is it interspecific?
stone copper
look at the recode of rust for example, graphically it changed alot but gameplay stuck to the same
dusk steeple
I always get those two mixed up.
lilac swallow
They are remaking stamina, bleed removing weight from the dmg calculation rebalancing everything accord that, doing seamless grow with faster juvies and many etcs
Nah they arent changing anything
stone copper
we'll just see how much they actually deliver
lilac swallow
Thats what they said they are doing, if you dont want to believe is Up to you
stone copper
devs claim features all the time and don't deliver, i'd rather be cautious than foolish
lilac swallow
Ok be cautious, thats fine, just dont rant like they never said they are doing that
stone copper
dilos didn't have the bleed effects they currently do for awhile, im simply putting in my thoughts so it's discussed and considered.. we can all agree that we hate grinding 6-8hrs on a dino just to lose it to packs of dilos we can't see and can't fight back as well
lilac swallow
I do agree on dilos being boosted
hasty parcel
i cant say much since i dont really grow apexes
stone copper
i remember the patch notes when i saw that cause it's when they made it to where you don't bleed out when you sit
and i knew it was a bad decision, best night vision and now best bleed, they just need to get in 1 hit and you're screwed
lilac swallow
Both bleed and night vision sucks as a mechanich, and dilo excels on both
stone copper
i fully agree, it's horrid how they did both
3 feet of vision and then black curtain
lilac swallow
Night vision, you literally cant see whats 2 steps forward
stone copper
"fun and challenging gameplay"
bunch of rubbish
well im quitting till recode like alot of others and then we'll see how good the recode is, but im fully ready to ditch this game tbh
night and thanks for the discussion @lilac swallow
lilac swallow
Np
dry cradle
showing that they're dangerous and not to be messed with by flagging that they have lower base health?
paper oriole
Its a good thing dilos are apex killers right now because the servers are overrun with apexes
timber phoenix
Yeah agreed even with nycta where people pay to play apexes full grown dilo groups do a hella good job smoking them
maiden anvil
@fluid glen That’s almost like my idea but you made it better😅
echo bridge
You could also have a kick you could do while trotting that makes you stationary when you do it
But definately remove machine gun run kick
And galli 3 shotting utah is a meh number unless Utah kills galli in 1 well placed bite
With like locational considered since big open neck target
sage helm
The only real problem that I have is stationary. Maybe a trot kick that is weaker but you can still move. A big part of me saying this is because the cassowary example you showed had the cassowary moving and attacking at the same time albeit not moving full speed
I'm gonna go thumbs up it now
echo bridge
Yeah that's true but it should definitely take the whole length of the animation to do the trot kick
And it should be weak enough that an injured predator that galli can hurt with it can flee if it needs to
sage helm
Yea
But rapid fire needs to go
Any way is better than rapid fire tbh
I guess it could be like theri 3 hit attack
echo bridge
And when surviving gets extremely incentivised and nesting actually is fun and beneficial, then people wont care about its practical inability to fight aggressively
Because then they'll do things herbis like gallis are built to do
sage helm
One click has kicks that each do damage by themself 
echo bridge
Socialize, explore, and nest
sage helm
Yea
The only real reason I think gallies should fight back is because they truly are large creatures with strong legs that they should and probably would use to fight back
echo bridge
But utah and dilo arent to be underestimated
echo bridge
They are bigger and stronger
And built to kill
So they should win against a galli going on the offensive 1v1
sage helm
Mhm gallies should be a "oh no im conrerd time to kick my way out"
echo bridge
In an equal skill environment
The only way a galli is winning that is bad Utah/dilo player cant counter attack well
Which is fine
echo bridge
And once survival is incentivised and fun instead of just fighting to the death, then predators will more often back down from fights they can't take
At minimum galli doesnt need a run kick
mellow fox
I wrote 3 kick to Utah because Utah would pounce 1-shot galli or bite its neck clean off
sage helm
Yea
echo bridge
That's what I assumed
sage helm
^
mellow fox
Yeah
sage helm
I dont have a problem with that
echo bridge
Herrera would probably be equal if its able to reach those same areas
Since it's also not that small
And galli while big and could definitely kill a Herrera in defense, it's not built for sustaining hits
mellow fox
Herrerasaurus would either pounce from a tree or bleed it out imo
Dilo could just facetank it or bleed it out, Dilo is beefy
echo bridge
Dilo is almost carno size
sage helm
It would be cool to have counter attack animations. Like dilo goes into bite a cornered Gallie but the gallie jumps and kicks it in the face doing enough damage to make the dilo want to re think its strategy a bit
And yea dilos huge
echo bridge
Against anything bigger galli just kinda tries and fails miserably
Carno at most would be pissed if you gave it a kick gouge wound in its leg
mellow fox
I also think Dilo should be able to do this to Galli oneshotting it
sage helm
Yes
sage helm
This is always what I think of when I hear galli vs dilo
mellow fox
Hold up, I will write a second suggestion regarding the other small tiers, BRB
echo bridge
Alrighty
mellow fox
I always wanted to write the Dilo grapple
But always forgot
Dilo grappling other smalltiers, easy envenomation or oneshot
sage helm
I just think the reason these things need to be able to defend themselves is because everyone wants that option
No one wants to run away everytimr
And then there is situations like defending a nest against something
Being unable to defend yourself does not sound pleasing in a game like this Im a afraid
still temple
maybe:
Left click is a peck attack, does the least dmg, can be done anytime.
Stationary kick stays the same, deals the most damage.
Trot kick causes the galli to lunge forward like in the cassowary vid, deals less dmg.
Sprinting = no kick.
mellow fox
That's a good idea as well
sage helm
I like that
echo bridge
Yeah that sounds good
Peck seems useless tho, not sure if its worth tacking onto the animation budget
It would definately be fun to tease big preds that have no chance catching you by pecking them, or pecking them to distract them from your most and fleeing /hiding hatchlings
But I think nesting alone justifies that every playable should have the option to defend
It's funny how people were talking about this ruining galli and yet dryo is basically the same galli we are proposing but smaller
barren zephyr
A respawn would not be a good idea. Apexes are already enough of a problem and getting a full adult back for basically free is just a bad idea. Not only that, it makes killing players pretty pointless because they can come back anyway.
maiden anvil
Just an idea. Maybe in the future when the game is different, it could be handy
indigo sun
You die, you die. You should have to regrow. People allowing to just pop in a day later with no effort put in isnt cool when everyone else is working to grow a new dino or working on one over time. No respawns, and especially not for apexes.
sterile egret
imo trot kick should do some hefty damage because it's adding the momentum to the kick like that cassowary
though tbf even a standing kick has the potential to spill out the guts
fading onyx
if there is respawn this will reduce juvies... its unrealistic. The game is pretty easy now and its not a big deal to grow and the funnest moments some times are when you growing xD
gritty arrow
@barren zephyr that would be too op even if it was local .
empty sigil
oof
paper oriole
Lmao are you replying to a suggestion from a week ago or did something get deleted
violet magnet
@fluid glen i like this idea for the nesting system but...maybe add something where the people who have the nest can deny just ANY player being nested in? So they don't end up with a nest full of randoms or all the eggs don't get taken before the person they're waiting on can get one?
idk i'm just picturing somebody trolling nests by taking up eggs and then immediately suiciding, taking eggs to see where this group of paras are and then telling their rex friends the location in a private vc...
warped harbor
Should be an option
Like... The default option would be you have to invite, while the secondary option would be you can leave it open for anybody to join in
And then if you really want to, you could blacklist certain players known for trolling with this feature in your own nest
barren zephyr
Why was my suggestion taken down?
indigo sun
What was the suggestion
barren zephyr
"Make Herbivores able to Grab bushes." @indigo sun
polar haven
perhaps they wanted more information than just that?
sage helm
Im confused are peoples suggestions being taken down and convos deleted cause in seeing people talking to seemingly no one
And idk I see other suggestions that have the same amount as @barren zephyr suggestion that stay up
neat flicker
You will never be able to hoard food for your young, that’s part of the survival and taking a risk. The suggestion was deleted for exactly that reason above as it’s a barebones suggestion with no depth to it
barren zephyr
But its planned for carnivores
tulip parrot
To be fair body carrying is something we see actual carnivores do irl. You don't usually see herbi's carrying stuff to their young, they're more of the taking the young to the food type.
sage helm
Yes but if the reason for no food carrying for herbis is because of hoarding like overpowered said then why would carnis get it
last heath
carni food is harder to get?
barren zephyr
Why you pulling out an irl argument
fathom harness
The more viable reason is what @tulip parrot said rather than hoarding.
sage helm
Neither will a dead body zub
tulip parrot
Yeah but that body wasn't always dead
last heath
but it will attract other carnis
tulip parrot
Or stationary
sage helm
So you are going to move it to your nest to attract carnis to your nest?
Makes a lot of sense
last heath
and we want herbis to migrate, no? if they can just cut shit and make a pile, then they can make a base
sage helm
You are telling me that a nesting herbi is going to just up and leave?
fathom harness
The predominant reason why I'd imagine body dragging to be necessary is for when say, a carni kills a herbivore babu in the middle of a nesting herd. The carni can then take the food away from the herd and eat it at a safe distance rather then get punted to death by an angry mom.
last heath
also, would the trike just rip a bush out the ground and walk away with it?
sage helm
Plus carring food will allow the herbis to move mpre by carring the food as they travel
last heath
@fathom harness well, yeah, that is actually a very good reason
barren zephyr
food is scarce On certain parts on the map and its literally impossible to Get from point a to point B as juvie maia or trike with their 10min hunger
fathom harness
Though there needs to be more herbivore food in the first place.
But that's another issue entirely.
last heath
@barren zephyr we dont really know that
gritty helm
there's also if the body ends up in a water source like a lake since some carni's will have to drag the body out in order to eat it
last heath
new map
fathom harness
Currently they mean, which is true.
barren zephyr
Carnivores hoarding food is good but not Herbis? Wtf man
last heath
again, plants dont run
fathom harness
There shouldn't be any hoarding of food.
last heath
rotting food spoils nearby food
sage helm
Dead bodies dont run
sage helm
Dont matter if they did before
last heath
...
sage helm
It doesnt now
barren zephyr
Bush cease to exist when eaten
last heath
and now its in the middle of a open field, were you are exposed to others
bring it somewhere safe
sage helm
Thats part of the survival risk
tulip parrot
Also isn't grazing going to be a thing.
last heath
indeed
sage helm
So herbis are supposed to go and walk in the biddle of a field just for a bush while carnis get to move their food to a safe location
last heath
you dont need to carry a whole bush in your mouth if you can eat the ground
sage helm
We have almost no idea how grazing will work
barren zephyr
Herbivores should be a more casual experience Stop trying it to make it hardcore instead of actually making carni gameplay difficult cause i dont see no dying if food spawns on them
tulip parrot
Thing is seems like herbi's aren't going to have as much trouble with food as they've been having so far.
last heath
hardcore? just walk to a bush and eat
sage helm
I believe someone had an idea for grazing to just keep hunger for dropping as fast
Instead of filling it up
last heath
food wont spawn on them
sage helm
Or make it a buffing thing
last heath
thats a given
tulip parrot
Grazing+more food types and who know potentially better food spawns
sage helm
^
last heath
we shooting in the dark here
sage helm
That in all honesty
barren zephyr
Fine Then juvenile Herbivores should be faster
last heath
until we know the new stuff, we cant make any decisions. Good day yall, good points all around
tulip parrot
I mean who's to say they won't be. Literally anything we know can change.
fathom harness
Any thoughts for my suggestions? Love to hear some feedback. ^^
barren zephyr
Feels like alot of that is already planned
Plus adding the need for males for nesting wont make it competitive
last heath
yeah, I dont really have anything to say. nothing to outrageous like wanting utahs to solo rexes
fathom harness
Adding the need for males to nest would add a level of competition/a goal, and would make the nesting system better.
barren zephyr
nah
No one will Go
"Omg i Want to mate With This Female So i have to fight Another male UwU"
Unironically
last heath
you'd be surprised
barren zephyr
Only The Scalie Roleplayers will
craggy scarab
Getting a bit offtopic, can be constructive without devolving into less wholesome topics
fathom harness
The concept would be more of leading the herd than just that, though it could be modified to be any member of the group instead of just males. I was thinking of restricting it to males since playing as a male herbivore often is even more boring simply because you can't nest. The only reason to really play male herbivore is for the crest colors.
It doesn't just have to be fighting over partners for nesting, it can also be for who is leading the herd while migrating, or even for the real reason why people would want to fight, just for fun.
growing herbivores can be dreadfully boring with how the current game play is, anyone who has played herbivore can attest to that.
paper oriole
idk why people are against herbis carrying chunks off bushes since everybody seems so hype about carnis corpse carrying
the bias is strong here
normal fern
Welcome to the isle where everyone who disagrees with you is biased and hates you personally
sage helm
Nah there is a strong carni bias ngl but thats more of the gameplays fault
normal fern
Not on this discord, in game sure
fathom harness
I'm not against it personally, its not a terrible idea or anything. I can see why both points of view have valid reasoning as to why they do or do not want bushes to be movable.
sage helm
Ex: carnis get body carrying, strains, walking screaming food
fathom harness
^
sage helm
Herbis get.... Glowy bushes
fathom harness
That you can't see when it rains...
sage helm
^
sage helm
I personally dont like when carni mains say herbi life is easy when in all honesty it isn't... Its just has different hardships than carnis have
But this is more of a #401464048610312195
normal fern
Yes because the Ai is final and won't be changed at all
The game isn't even finished and your saying that carnivores have it easier, like no shit they have it easier, the mechanics they need are ati barebones
Hypos are going to be so rare that you'll be lucky to even see one let alone play as one once 1.0 is passed
Like I don't get how you can turn them into a factor when they will be so rare they border on non-existance
Not to mention, Allo, sucho and cerato don't have hypos or strains
Tons of bias there amiright
Bush carrying and corpse carrying are completely different, first of all the devs haven't flat out denied it, so there's no actual bias there just people looking for ways to victimise themselves as herbivores
Secondly, herbivore have diets carnivores won't, the whole point of corpse carrying is to take your food someplace you can eat it without it being stolen, herbivores won't have that because of diets, it's pointless for a para to pick up a bush to take it away from a trike as trike probably won't eat the same type of food
Even a fish eating sucho would probably try to take an allos meal if it found it
Jesus Christ, I know I'm not supposed to call people stupid on this discord but you guys make it so difficult not to
arctic nexus
Happy to see somebody make actual effort instead of just straight up asking for colours.
sage helm
@normal fern hey I didnt mean to make you mad like I was saying carnis have it easier. Neither am I victimizing myself. Merely grieving for mechanic that could be interesting to see in gsme but arent because "herbis dont need it"
The point is even if these things are rare the carnis have them available
craggy scarab
@arctic nexus memes/reactions aren’t permitted in this channel
sage helm
What carnis are going to get:
- hypos
- corpse carrying
- more dinos being worked on (spino, deino, ptera)
What herbis get:
- grazing which we have almost zero detail on
- stego
If there are more mechanics planned for herbivores that I havent heard about I appologize but then again that compliments what I am saying about herbivores. They get put aside. The gameplay isnt very interesting and many people just say make them ai(even if its a meme there is a reason it became one)
I highly encourage any suggestions that could make herbivore gameplay more unique. Suggestions that change how they are played and turn them from carni hunters to defenders
Oh I forgot varying diets for different types of dinos
last heath
we are getting 8 new dinos that have never been announced before and only 1 is carnivore
lilac swallow
👆
sage helm
Oh really? When was that announced? 👀
last heath
dondi said it on isle discussion
arctic nexus
I'm actually a little concerned about that. I know it was said, but perhaps it was just too keep us guessing.
craggy scarab
barren zephyr
uh was i tagged here
paper oriole
probably 6 omnis and a carni/herbi pair, since there was that omni category.
i think hoarding carried bushes with herds could be avoided by making the bushes wither after a time, so they supply less food, then completely rot away after more time, making them inedible.
craggy scarab
@barren zephyr in a meme that was removed
frank zinc
ToX what the heck is that and where can I get one
craggy scarab
Move to #401464048610312195 to discuss them
barren zephyr
Herrera is the confirmed carni
The only way to actually truly balance anything in the game, is to change everything at once
Leaving animals to have old stats then changing new ones will just further screw it up
maiden anvil
@barren zephyr dude what do you think the recode is for?
barren zephyr
I know, but I'm saying people keep saying to change certain animals stats when they're going to be changed anyway. Idk
frank zinc
@pulsar lake
N.1 : In the Nest GUI there is a Matriarch [the mother] and the Patriarch [the father]. If you place the nest, you are automatically set as the matriarch.
I believe that, before eggs can gestate, you need to invite someone from your group to become the patriarch.
N.2 : I also would like, when you accept a nest invite, to be able to create your own skin using the colors of the parents. Maybe you're allowed 1 or 2 "mutation" colors for fun?
N.3 : Maybe the time to reach full adult is shorted by 5, 10, 15 minutes, depending on the species, but what I would really want to see is a slight stat boost to nested individuals. People grow rexes and trikes all the time; but a stat boost, even by 5 or 10 points, will be a real incentive since those stats win battles.
- By "5 or 10 points", I mean 5 or 10 points divided among the stat categories. If stats are increased by 5 points, +2 to bite force, and +3 to health could be an outcome. Or +5 to speed only.
N.4 : Ooh, a really cool suggestion! I would love to see nest decorations. It could decrease incubation times or even strengthen the nest; attackers will take longer to completely destroy the nest.
fathom harness
@pulsar lake Those are some fantastic ideas! Especially with faster growing time, since when you think about it right now, it takes longer to grow a dino that is nested (hatchling to juvie to adult) rather than just spawned in (juvie to adult). It would be awesome if in total, the nested dino grows faster to full adult than a spawned in dino to full adult.
long heath
Yeah no, I don't like the idea of something being able to one shot something of similar size just because "I got the jump on you". Gallis are toxic, I understand that much. But they kind of need the running kick to deal with the type of Utah that just LOVES to jump over whatever their attacking. Galli's already essentially one shot by Utah and Dilo anyway, with that crappy bleed resist and healing.
So yeah two pointers - No animal in this game should be locked in place if they want to fight back, because it's easily countered from the factor of predictability. If Para was only given the flail, or Camara the stomp, both would suffer no-alt turn Rex treatment of getting their ass ridden, trying to turn to attack and their target running away and that is why all dinosaurs with an attack that at least locks them in place, have other options like a headbutt or trample.
One shotting Gallis with the click of a button? Just...no. Would really hate being instantly mauled to death because I wasn't constantly looking up, or ATTEMPT to fight off another small sized carnivore only for it to use an easily abused mechanic.
If there was a small delay between running kicks, sure as long as it's not as horrendous as Trike's stomp ending. But removing it entirely is a big no no.
limpid dove
I feel it should kinda be like a lion hunting a buffalo. It isn't immediately dead, but when it's taken down, it's pretty much done for. It can have a fighting chance and maybe escape (perhaps, using a VERY large chunk of stamina to do so) but in most cases, will end up dying anyways.
Just as an example, but I'm too tired to go into detail ^
Think of it as grappling. And grabbing. Stuff like that.
indigo sun
1.) What would hybrids even add to the game besides people complaining the devs are trying too hard to be jurassic world
2.) How would this benefit the hybrids or animals creating the hyrbids
3.) Why add this when we have scary af strains coming to the game.
I get its a sci fi game but true hybrids dont feel fitting. They feel.. wrong. Something for that jurassic world game to do, not The Isle @winged sigil
lilac swallow
4.) If you you are refering to natural hybritation, that doesnt work on animals so far genetically speaking
winged sigil
I just think it would be good for people who are more into the JW fandom and will make gameplay and nesting more fun
And yes I was mainly referring to natural hybridisation
lilac swallow
I love jp and jw, but this isnt either of them
indigo sun
I dont see it fitting in well with the game's purpose
lilac swallow
Hybritation doesnt work naturally for specoes that arent the same genus
winged sigil
It’s just a suggestion no need for jumping down my throat
lilac swallow
We arent
winged sigil
I feel personally attacked
lilac swallow
And if you suggest you are open to critics
winged sigil
I wasn’t expecting everyone to hate on me for it
indigo sun
Im just disagreeing with your suggestion and the first two points of my first message was actually to understand it more
winged sigil
K
lilac swallow
Never hated on you
indigo sun
Just because someone disagrees with the suggestion does not mean they hate you or are personally attacking you. We just have differing ideas
lilac swallow
Exactly
barren zephyr
That was gross as hell
lilac swallow
Honestly, i dont know how people think animals can Cross that easily, is like saying a human could Cross with a monkey
indigo sun
Lack of understanding about genetics and coming from games like Jurassic world evolution that seem to show it as an easy process that you can just pop dinosaurs out mixed together like that
barren zephyr
Seems like some kind of weird kink
lilac swallow
But jw isnt natural crossing
indigo sun
It isnt no
lilac swallow
Is just genetic manipulation of a Dino embryo
indigo sun
But it doesnt exactly show the full process of making hybrids so people could just take it as "oh yeah its easy to get a hybrid just put x and y together there we go!"
lilac swallow
I gess
barren zephyr
Jw Dinosaurs are recreations and not actual dinosaurs
indigo sun
So are these animals though
lilac swallow
Neither are isle dinosaurs that argument doesnt really work
indigo sun
Lets not
barren zephyr
@winged sigil If you are posting something in #general-feedback people are allowed to criticize you
So be prepared for criticism when you suggest something with little to no thought or explanation.
violet magnet
<@&401466542140817419> dude be spammin'
are u ok man, do u need help
||tfw tag the yellow ppl instead of the blue ppl, WHOOPS||
wheat igloo
Do not spam #general-feedback chat. @quick tusk
indigo sun
@weak yew i'd rather they not encourage afk growing
Its enough of a problem as is, encouraging people to sit and do nothing is a bad idea
weak yew
@indigo sun If the hunger and thirst state also plays a role in growth then ppl wont afk grow
indigo sun
I believe dondi also stated that moving would shorten growth times instead of staying still
weak yew
like 80% + hunger gives faster growth
indigo sun
You can kill ai by a water source and do nothing else til the body despawns
weak yew
this is off topic butTBH i really dont like how AI are implemented ATM
the games is really too easy for me
indigo sun
Thats getting changed too
weak yew
what are the infos about that
indigo sun
The way it works currently is a band aid solution and ai will spawn in different areas depending on the biome they prefer
Ai is supposed to act more like a player instead of just moving food
weak yew
like a smarter AI
yeah they should be actually hard to kill
And for example a trex should have a harder difficulty AI spawning for them, something like a trike
lilac swallow
Ai shouldnt spawn on players at all
lilac swallow
Not small ais to have a free food nor Big ones to literally making someone's experience hell
weak yew
Is the affinity system the only thing considered for adding value to your dino's gameplay other than eat, drink?
barren zephyr
@weak yew This will just encourage bushcamping...
paper oriole
Why would you want to encourage the people hiding in the corners of the map until adult stage
weak yew
they wont hide when eating will make them grow faster
I dont think bush camping is a problem too
Carnis cannot sense bushes anyways unless they have some game xp
paper oriole
The bushes are very easy to see
weak yew
so whats wrong with that
camping is a part of the game
it encourages fights
a smart player wont get camped
indigo sun
Sitting in a bush for 7 hours to not put effort in is not an intended part of the game
paper oriole
First you said it wasnt a problem because they cant detect bushes then just turn around on the statement to support the camping lol
weak yew
i still dont think it is a problem
indigo sun
I say punish them with debuffs if they sit in an area for too long with almost no movement. Fat accumulation, less stam, less agility whatever
weak yew
yeah that is great also
so like players need to find a balance
in being afk, moving around etc
indigo sun
You should not be afk for growth
paper oriole
Make dinos who are supposed to be active/hunters get arthritis from camping or afking so much
indigo sun
If youre gonna sit down and not do shit for 7 hours, you should be kicked from the server for wasting a player slot
indigo sun
Its really not that much shit
paper oriole
Make nearby ai attack players weaker than it when they afk lol
indigo sun
Its moving 5 steps to get ai, 6 for water, then 11 back to hide in a bush
lilac swallow
Get Up each hour to feed your animal
indigo sun
And if you cant grow an apex because youre busy and you dont have the time to actively grow one, dont play apexes on a survival server
mild token
Velo Ai attacks juvies already you know
paper oriole
Velo is trash
indigo sun
THATS IT?? THATS all you had to say in an hour of typing?
paper oriole
I kill it with fresh spawn dilo juvie
weak yew
xD
paper oriole
Lmfao
mild token
I was typing for something else
then decided to look at the chat
might post my over 2.000 word thing in a bit
paper oriole
Make acro ai spawn on afk growing apexes and go ham on them
mild token
since it's not related to what you are talking about
I rather see alberto as an Ai then Acro
paper oriole
Whynotboth
mild token
... use space in between words
paper oriole
Not that hard to read it lol
mild token
never said that
I'm quite used to read text like that that is longer
with that and the lol I'm not sure it's worth talking to you
paper oriole
You seem salty at me for no reason enough to go off topic so i believe it is not worth talking to you further either lol
barren zephyr
@weak yew So you think bush camping is great?
sage helm
Humans house camp all the time whats wrong with that? But in all seriousness no that would just make ask growth easier
paper oriole
even fatties like trike and scavengers like cerato should be encouraged to move, not stay in one area unless actively nesting
sage helm
Well scavengers should move even more than hunters so yea that makes sense
paper oriole
no dino should be encouraged to afk grow, or stay afking after growing up. what's even the point of playing the game just to do that, sleeping should greatly reduce growth rate when in use if it ever even becomes a thing just for sped up healing, resting shouldnt speed up growth. regularly traveling between different areas and eating variety of food should buff growth if anything
loud tapir
I think encouraging to stay in an area is fine because otherwise nesting would be punishing - which I don't think it should, but staying still and afk should be discouraged.
paper oriole
i mean i said unless actively nesting but yea you shouldnt be forced to run marathons while nesting lol
loud tapir
paper oriole
when body carrying comes it would be easier to get the movement affinity as carnivores by having people take turns occasionally but i dont think nesters should be punished, nesting should be encouraged tbh
wintry cipher
TBH, you could nest and get variety. Affinity could just reward parents who nest more skillfully in high risk areas than others then. For example, a Utah pack could nest in an area with a wide variety of herbivores or other carnivores around, and the babies get a stacking growth buff depending on how many types of things they eat. This causes the parents to have to leave the nest and then carry back food, which requires teamwork and skill, and the ability to hide your young effectively enough to risk leaving them less guarded, or unguarded.
The less risk, the slower you grow. The more risk, the faster you grow
sterile egret
When the state of the game currently encourages you to bushcamp, it's not fair to berate those that do bushcamp (safest way to prog though it is boring). And people can play whatever they want however they want (within reason and within the rules), apex or not even if they can only spend an hour at most, we shouldn't be policing how people play the game.
post recode when juveniles and sub adults can actually move around and do stuff and will actually have to hunt for AI or for players, that's a whole different story. Now to keep this not solely isle-discussion, I heard something about growing more the more you're active and doing stuff like in the suggestion above except for growing dinosaurs in general. The more you move around, and actively engage in the game, the quicker you grow. If you bushcamp, no harm no foul, except you grow at a slower rate (lets make up some stuff about "metabolism")
thorn wagon
As much as I agree with the "stunted growth times if you let your food and water stay low" I heavily disagree with making it longer for resting. Say you're a sub rex and you kill a juvi maia and fill up, you have the food to chill next to but you're gonna want to sit; not just stand there.
paper oriole
they have 8 dinosaurs which will be new coming to survival, they have stego and spino coming to survival, herrera is apparently being worked for survival