#general-feedback-discussion
oblique sluice
gritty arrow
ones
oblique sluice
This guy still in the same
warm quarry
True. Thanks!
gritty arrow
well there should be more flying reptiles in the game
oblique sluice
@gritty arrow Stop giving paleo fact, this game cares a shit about that
If you want some creature in the game, elaborate an unique playstyle
We already explained you
gritty arrow
il give you its neiche onces i find it
torn thistle
Is it late to mention explaining that a creature suggestion requires an explanation as to why it should be added, what it could change with the game, and that "add [x] cuz it's cool" suggestions tend to be deleted?
warm quarry
Hard part is, even unique dinos may not be added, as their mechanics are a challenge to create/program. If you have a species you like that's similar to another, it may be applicable as a skin. They've recommended that before.
oblique sluice
^
gritty arrow
well i relly feel like there should be more neiches in this game
small flying reptiles would be cool .
oblique sluice
We all have a creature we like to added to the game
gritty arrow
and good
oblique sluice
but add something because it's cool
torn thistle
Ok, think about this:
gritty arrow
but devs dont like small creatuers
gritty arrow
i know why tho becues there hard to add detile and anmtions and stuff .
and its hard to add detail
torn thistle
You should keep in mind the animals already in the game, what could your suggestion do that the in-game animal can't?
And yeah, anything small like a Compy or somethin' would be eh.
oblique sluice
Even things smaller than dryo are a bit eh
gritty arrow
mabey Cryodrakon boreas could be a strain for the quetzul .
oblique sluice
Strains are the mutated creature, not ''let's take rex and make a strain inspirated on tarbo cuz i like tarbo''
gritty arrow
i know lol
warm quarry
Okay, @gritty arrow , how many people do you think would actually play small creatures? The smaller creatures, even historically, had little interactions with the populations of larger beasts aside from scavenging or hiding. The Devs seem to be going for species that would generally intermingle, causing more social interaction in the game. Given that most folk would play as bigger beasts, how common do you think it would be for them to go for smaller ones?
sage helm
Nothing smaller than a dryo will ever go im
gritty arrow
im suggesting alsoa big flying one but everyone thinks its a qetzul clone so i dont know why but its epic .
sage helm
Unless ai
gritty arrow
esply what its name means .
gritty arrow
yea but it weighed more and its caindain
gritty arrow
rember back in the day the charcar
sage helm
You do know how expensive it is to add a new dino right?
gritty arrow
was a planned skin for the gigga
gritty arrow
i know
sage helm
Its a giga clone
mellow maple
The best we can hope for new faces in the game is entirely new body plans
gritty arrow
plus thats what scintest thought Cryodrakon boreas was at frist .
mellow maple
not the same thing we're already familiar with
gritty arrow
just a juvi quets
warm quarry
I assume flyers will be rare, their mechanics are completely different from land-based dinos and they had rather specific prey that generally did not involve the land-based beasts, thus limiting interaction. Again, the devs seem to be aiming for community. (My apologies for the slow responses, I can't type fast)
mellow maple
as much as I want another carcharodontosaurid. They'd have to juvenile, sub-adult, and adult stage models and animations
gritty arrow
they said that if they made charcar it would be a skin for the giga .
mellow maple
That's way down the line probably
gritty arrow
yea im not even sugesting giga .
gritty arrow
i was suggsting a big relly new flying reptile that was discoved as its own guenus on september 10th 2019
oblique sluice
i want to cry
gritty arrow
it could most likely be added onces we no more about it .
torn thistle
Ok.
What could Cryo do that Quetz doesn't? Both are big pterosaurs.
sage helm
We have already asked
gritty arrow
cryo is thiccer but also they booth lived at diffrent parts of north america .
so who knows
torn thistle
Gameplay wise.
warm quarry
Right, no salt. NVM
gritty arrow
diffrent parts of north america means diffrent evolution .
sage helm
Thats what we got when we asked bhalt
torn thistle
Just adding it cuz it's newly discovered n' cool doesn't justify a good suggestion.
gritty arrow
opsit sides of north america .
oblique sluice
For like, an hour?
gritty arrow
one is pretty north one is pretty south .
sage helm
So this is just gonna be a loop in the convo
gritty arrow
im not suggesting it for now im suggsting it for the futer onces we know more about it .
gritty arrow
onces we know more about it mabey they could add it .
sage helm
Then you need to start working on a doc bud
warm quarry
@gritty arrow Did it eat anything different than a quetz? Did it fly different? Aside from size and location (the second of which is COMPLETELY irrelevant in the game), were there any major differences in diet or hunting methods that would make it unique?
sage helm
What you have given us rn isnt even enough for the future
Trying to be as civilized as possible while saying this
oblique sluice
@warm quarry No, but it's a cool fli dino
gritty arrow
quetzul and Cryodrakon boreas are the same size but cryodrakon have hevyerbones
and i think Cryodrakon boreas ate albertosrus .
oblique sluice
wut
sage helm
Juvi maybe
But never adult
Maybe it tried
But the one laughing at it when it got ripped to shreds didnt
warm quarry
@oblique sluice
I only have to program for robotics, and gaming programming is 10x more difficult, knowing how much code it takes to twitch a mechanical finger 45°, I can't imagine the code in just one dino on this game. "Cool" is not an effective nor sufficient qualifier.
oblique sluice
That was the joke
gritty arrow
its a pretty epic flyer tho .
sage helm
How do you know it was epic
oblique sluice
Anyway, i'm out, i had enough Cryofuckingdrakon for 20 years
warm quarry
Sweetheart, let me put it to you straight, it's not unique enough to be put in. @gritty arrow
gritty arrow
Cryodrakon boreas lived 77 millon years ago while albertasurus lived like 70 millon years ago so i think the albertosurus might have past the cryodrakons life span .
i know but mabey we will find more unique stuff about it .
is megalaina posable to be in the game .
warm quarry
I'm actually having a hard time understanding you.
gritty arrow
do you even know what megalaina is
its a venomus reptile that lived in alsurtila that fought thyla
warm quarry
Australia*
oblique sluice
God please help him
gritty arrow
wich is why i dont think it willbe in the game
warm quarry
Cool. That was not the point I was making, friend
warm quarry
Venomous*
gritty arrow
and it also is the biggest moniter lizzard ever .
sage helm
Cool does not make devs spend thousands of dollars
warm quarry
Lizard*
gritty arrow
theres no creatuer like it in the game
sage helm
We have dilo
warm quarry
Creature*
sage helm
Which will be venomous
austere spruce
I suspect you guys are being taken for a ride
gritty arrow
no that will be its strain
warm quarry
Cool!!!
sage helm
Yea
gritty arrow
how about the dilos size lol
sage helm
What about it
oblique sluice
Do you think megalania is that big?
oblique sluice
Dilo and megalania are pretty much the same in terms of length
gritty arrow
theres no lizards in the isle .
sage helm
Cause we dont need them
gritty arrow
but its also didnt live with dinos .
oblique sluice
Eating eggs doesn't make you omnivore lol
sage helm
^
warm quarry
I heard a rumour that they intend to add smaller prey for babies and adolescents, such as snakes and the like.
gritty arrow
well titainaboas in the dev kit
gritty arrow
well there is kinda hope for it cus on the wiki megalaina is on it
gritty arrow
Yea but has no venom
sage helm
So?
gritty arrow
there is also no proof the dlo had venom
gritty arrow
isle is a sifi horror game so they can do what ever they whant .
warm quarry
I bet Titanaboa is specifically being added as a balancer for the devs in case somebody gets too strong. Same with the croc (can't remember it's name)
gritty arrow
so they can make Cryodrakon boreas breath ice
sage helm
...
sage helm
...
warm quarry
Sci-fi, not full fantasy. Go to Day of Dragons for that.
oblique sluice
Gyo, if you aprecciate your mental health
gritty arrow
its called the frozen dragon or the cold dragon so it would make senses for it to breath ice in a sifi game or if it had a strain it would breath ice .
oblique sluice
i recommend you to drop the convo
gritty arrow
#I STOPED
sage helm
warm quarry
Appreciated, but it's already gone. My University took it a while ago.
So, to change gears, may I repeat my first question? Possible ramming mechanic? Right now you can practically walk through another dino, but ramming would be semi-realistic. Granted, implementation might be a challenge.
oblique sluice
Anyway, i can see some ramming mechanic for Diablo
Trike having the imaple thingy
limpid dove
Rex ambushing an allo and stopping mid-run cause it doesnt get knocked over and is superglued to the floor
warm quarry
Wait, it doesn't have one? I will be honest, only played carnivores thus far. Bf and I only got this a week ago.
limpid dove
Imagine
oblique sluice
There aren't basically any mechanics implemented yet
warm quarry
@limpid dove ?
oblique sluice
Just the dilo venom placeholder
or rex bonebreak
Both will be refined in the future
limpid dove
Hopefully in situations like that, they'll have some sort of animation to show that your dinosaur was knocked over and is attempting to stand back up. Idunno
warm quarry
Ah, gotcha, that's what you meant.
limpid dove
Yeah
warm quarry
Yeah, hadn't considered the extra animation, just aiming for realism...
limpid dove
It would be weird though. Lemme try to explain. Collision pretty much prevents you from running through things - so if a rex runs at an allo and "runs through it" it instead gets immediately stopped, I'm hoping there's a way that's combated
I would love to see an animation of something getting knocked over cause something bigger shoved it
warm quarry
Agreed!
warm quarry
Or something smaller going at "Ambush" shove something bigger sideways. I.e. Allo hitting Rex full-tilt.
@sage helm ?
limpid dove
Collision is early asf atm tho, for dinos at least. I'm sure over time there will be changes. We haven't even really seen much of it tho
warm quarry
Yeah... I can't wait to see what this turns into.
So... Collision, it just stops the charging dino?
gritty arrow
i heard carno might have a charging abbitly .
warm quarry
Carno needs a hit & run tactic. As far as I understand, it's what he's built for.
Something where he snaps to the side, not just straight under him.
warm quarry
Ooh! I like! That would make it unique from Allo. Rn, it doesn't feel like there's much benefit of Carno over Allo, Carno doesn't seem that much faster. Boyfriend and I raced the two. Allo won cause more stamina.
sage helm
I believe carnos ability has been discussed increased damage with velocity but dont quote me on that
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You juat said that
oblique sluice
Well carno is like close to 20kmh faster
sage helm
But... Carno has more stam than allo?
warm quarry
Doesn't really show in-game from what I've seen. Granted, take that with a grain of salt, I'm a noob and my computer is glitchy af.
warm quarry
Yeah, he's my favored, currently. It's nice on a glitch computer being able to only hit prey 2-3 times and it dies.
oblique sluice
allo just recovers stam faster
warm quarry
Gotcha. May I change gears again? Anyone know anything about these "cannibals"? Can they "tame" player characters, or are they completely theoretical currently?
oblique sluice
We should move to #401464048610312195 tbh
warm quarry
True, I was about to ask that.
indigo sun
@little tendon According to the pinned messages in the #general-feedback channel, "If you post please add this dino, explain why the animal should be added and what mechanics it could have to set it apart from animals already in-game to make it unique so we don't have clone dinosaurs all over." Saying "this thing would be cool" isn't a valid suggestion, unfortunately
valid elk
So, anyone wanna talk about my suggestion?
indigo sun
people seem to like it
little tendon
Ok so.
MEGALODON
The megalodon is about as big or slightly bigger then the hypo rex. It will either spawn at the big ocean between the 2 islands on the V3 map. Or on the titan lake and rarely twins. The megalodon will always have its fun up unless its sneaking. Due to it being a water dinosaur and a giant shark it probobly wont have calls. It can 1 shot anything. Smaller then a trike or weaker then one. It can leap onto the beach and eat players but like how land players are in water it has a 02 meter and if its empty it will die. It probobly wont have skin changes like the spino and bary. And its design is a great white shark but darker and its mouth is slightly open 24/7
I'm not good at making dino info so this is a first time
indigo sun
okay so put that in suggestions
thorn wagon
Giga shark or no shark
viral creek
GIGA LIVYATAN
valid elk
The problem with Megalodon being added is that it is a clam.
So you'd need the actual shark
paper oriole
lol why did somebody suggest cryo it's literally canadian quetz
jovial moss
@jovial jacinth wrong channel, try putting it in #general-feedback
tender rampart
@barren zephyr People here are such downers. I’m not afraid to give your suggestion its first thumbs up. I like it. I don’t see anything wrong by adding a kill feed. I know I’d like to see one
south flower
I wouldn’t mind a kill feed, but the only problem I see is the PvP. If you give out players’ names in game people can be quite toxic when they find out who smite their dinosaurs.
tender rampart
People in the Isle are Toxic AF already as it is. IMO people are more likely to be assholes in the game because they know that the players they are killing won’t know who they are. If you add a kill feed though...I feel as though it will deter people at least to some extent from doing shit like 2 calling you then biting you from the back (referring to dinos of same species)
lilac swallow
I downvoted It not because im a "downer" nor because im "afraid" but because having a kill record on a game which isnt about killing (is a survival game not a battle royale) doesnt fit. Next time show your support to a suggestion without throwing shit to whoever disliked that thanks
tender rampart
I also do see this game as a survival game as well, but IN ORDER TO survive sometimes you HAVE to kill sooo, again, I’m cool with a kill feed.
lilac swallow
"im not afraid to ..."
tender rampart
Oh I thought you were talking about the following message I sent after that one, that was my misunderstanding
I think players would get a bit more motivated to move around the map instead of staying in the same places for long periods of time because for example let’s say a rex player sees a para, a trike, and a maia each get a kill at around the same time he might think “oh there might be a herd somewhere maybe I should go explore” but that’s just my personal opinion
sage helm
You could just have it say your dino instead of username
For example "a para fell to its death"
tender rampart
That could work too
indigo sun
@paper yacht that's not a suggestion, nor is it something they can properly control because shit can go wrong at any time. Plus they need QA to test the recode before they give it to us
tender rampart
It can give players a sense of how many of a particular dino are roaming around in the map as well
south flower
I’m okay with, if we do get a death feed, have it the name of the Dinos instead of player names.
indigo sun
@daring salmon theyre planning on putting animations on alt turn eventually
daring salmon
violet magnet
If there's a kill feed it'll just turn into a competition of who can get the most kills
lilac swallow
👆
barren zephyr
People already keep track of what Dino they kill, how many Dino’s they kill, & even who they are killing. (There are clans specifically for this kind of thing).
Having a kill feed would help with rule breaks on other servers, as well as, I really don’t think it would create toxicity. Take Minecraft for example, no one pays attention to the kill feed there. It is a survival/creative game with a kill feed. I see no reason not to have one, especially if it disappears off the screen after a few seconds.
Even then, if the player base is worried about toxicity make it one of the permissions you get as an Admin/Moderator of a server.
thorn wagon
They’d have to be more realistic to fit in with the game lore
Like “specimen (ign) has (cause of death)”
barren zephyr
^ I don’t mind that at all.
little tendon
Plus it would kinda cause one of those jokes where you name yourself something bad and the feed so it sounds toxic if u say it out loud
indigo sun
I dont like an involuntary sleep mechanic.
There shouldnt be a debuff if you dont sit and do nothing for a certain amount of time, like stamina draining faster. Kinda bullshit
indigo sun
@brazen hazel deinosuchus, a big ass alligator, is already modelled and animated and awaiting a water rework to be implemented post-recode. Smilodon and terror birds would be more for coolness i think, which, at 7k an animal, is not something that should be considered at this point in the game. Smilodon really also wouldn't do much against other things in the game (size shown below for reference), and most terror birds have their possible niches already filled by small tiers. Also, according to the pinned messages in #general-feedback "add x" is not a valid suggestion. You have to have a reason to add them beyond liking them and how they would fit in the game.
brazen hazel
yeah i know now
and i feel like it could expand to diffent forms of prehsitoric creatures
and mabye make different servers for the mammalians
oblique sluice
Terror birds have nothing to do having things like utahs or carnos
Just being food
lilac swallow
Terror birds are just smaller gallis
brazen hazel
that were the top predator on the earth for a few million years but ok
brazen hazel
so they are nothing like gallis
blazing charm
Okay, so how about they're just like Raptors?
brazen hazel
fair enough
blazing charm
And to clarify, I am referring to how they'd function in game.
Not falling into that debate again.
lilac swallow
Dilo was top predator, and utah too
But in this game they are just one shoted by anyone
oblique sluice
Cenozoic creatures were cool, but almost all just could work in their own map with their own ecosystem
brazen hazel
yeah that was a mild suggestion because obviously thats a huge amount of development
blazing charm
Trying to shoe horn Cenozoic animals in with the current roster sounds like more trouble than it is worth.
oblique sluice
And their own playstyles without having a complete overshadow from x dino
indigo sun
Being top predators in their ecosystem means nothing when there's larger things in the isle's ecosystem that would take them out easily
lilac swallow
Some time at the start of life in land a big insect was top predator and here It would be steped on by a dryo
brazen hazel
i never said dat bro
just someone compared it to gali which it isnt anything like a gali
oblique sluice
No, just a smaller galli and eats meat
lilac swallow
Im just saying that being top predator is not gonna make It top predator on another ecosystem
oblique sluice
Almost all creatures in the survival roster were top predators
brazen hazel
i never said that
normal fern
Smilodon would be a light snack for the first carnivore larger than a carno. It wouldn't even be able to run away
oblique sluice
Little kitty
grave karma
arent they like super bulky and pretty slow runners
blazing charm
Size doesn't entirely mean everything, weren't they-
Yeah, aren't they quite bulky?
grave karma
beefy front arms iirc
normal fern
That means dick when carno weighs 2 tonnes
lilac swallow
They are bulky, just like our juv giga and no one says juv giga is ok
normal fern
Smilodon: "Hey I take steroids"
Carno: "Lol imma step on you"
lilac swallow
When you are that small compared to your ecosystem you gotta be either super stealthty or fast
normal fern
And smilodon is neither
grave karma
so like
lilac swallow
No Matter how bulky you are if you are slower than the Rex right?
grave karma
a bit worse than adding an irl utah
lilac swallow
Basically
normal fern
Probably worse
grave karma
@lilac swallow more like if you're slower than anything bigger than you without being able to defend yourself
lilac swallow
I know i just used the obvius "rex is stronger than you" example
normal fern
If your a slow dude, it doesn't matter if you are slightly bulky,
Unless you are the biggest HECKIN CHONK on the block you're invalid
lilac swallow
Just as my juvi giga example
Is as strong or stronger than utah but anyone bigger is faster and stronger
normal fern
Unless, unless that one thing bigger and faster than you is unbelievably rare like a hypo
lilac swallow
But then you are an apex until the hypo shows up
normal fern
And even then, it's a bit iffy
oblique sluice
@jovial jacinth V3 will disappear so kinda irrelevant now
mellow maple
^
Except that I agree wholeheartedly
Because fuck static
It's so painful to look at it.
There's nothing to like about it
I swear to you that I thought my game or pc was FUCKED when I was near a building playing it for the first time
even worse at 2nd lake at twins
The AE logo just shoves itself into your face.
lilac swallow
The static id actually meant to keep you away from certain places so even if it sucks, It is doing its job
mellow maple
But if we're not supposed to go there, why make em.
lilac swallow
Lore purposes
mellow maple
oh
lilac swallow
Why would the add those painful static if they didnt mind us going to theses places
mellow maple
Idk, to be edgy or something? It hurts my eyes so much. I'm like 🙈
It's mainly a problem at 2nd lake
because that logo LOVES to appear
But not that it matters because Hope is gonna replace V3
viral creek
The static is already planned to be removed
viral creek
They tried something new, that sounded cool on paper. Decided it wasn't so great after all in practice, and now want to remove it
A lot of trial and error happens when developing a game
mellow maple
Ye
I mean, in concept it's cooooool
But, it's not pleasant surprise, when I wanna drink. THEN SUDDENLY AE
Gtfo my screen
lilac swallow
The static could just show the first 10 seconds and then disapear
viral creek
@brazen hazel Deinosuchus is planned, if that's enough for you.
mellow maple
So long as it's not painful to the eye
lilac swallow
For me is not painful if is just 10 seconds
high tulip
@long heath In my mind also the future of a well designed, balanced AI mechanics is really the cornerstone of taking this game to the next level.
if I had a say in it I would make it so that different areas of the map would spawn different sized prey and only in amounts that would barely support the roughly max pack limit of animals that we currently have. And also AI spawning should not be in correlation on with hunger or number of players in the area but random within the framework of the biome and being adjusted to a total calorie amount serverwide. The AI in each biome would be targeted towards specific size of predators. If implemented correctly we could get rid of artificial pack limits as the upper limits would be defined by starving excessive sized packs to numbers that are sustainable. Also on a side note I hope it would regulate the amount of apex predators in total as it would drive them to compete with each other for the same limited food supply.
Food for herbivores would be quite uniformly distributed across the map, but in amounts that would require packs to regularily migrate as i feel its pretty much right now.
What I effect to the gameplay I think this would add; making carnivores feel like hunger is their enemy number one adding depth in weighing in the addition of more pack members, can all be fed with the addition of hunting power they bring or not?
Also with a fixed amount of calories supplied by AI (wich should be enough to sustain at max 30-40 carnivores depending on size), this would bring a more healthy herbivore to carnivore ratio. Now you ask what if carnivores just eat other carnivores then? well the feedback loop should be such that in the lifetime of a carnivore it should need more calories to grow than it accumulates in itself as a food item, and so the food chain would be broken without a herbivore population in addition to a very limited AI.
brazen hazel
@viral creek I did not know that when i said it
viral creek
You can find a preview vid of it on The Isle Steam
brazen hazel
yeah
restive iron
Will the affinity system work? i find there will be alot of exploits within this idea
oblique sluice
@little tendon Uh... you can already smell blood
From bleeding players and carcass
lament thorn
he wants it coloured
loud tapir
I dunno, why would you even want to know if the thing you are hunting is herbi and carni.
little tendon
Cause it will give alot more information on whats around u
Lets say your a galli hiding in a bush. U smell around to see if a rex is near by. You would smell red footprints and that will tell you the carnivore is still nearby. If u smell green footprints that means a herbivore is near and u can use it for protection.
Same with the colored bleed smell. If your a allo hunting a dilo you can smell its bleed right? So if u smell the bleed and its a carnivore its most likely the dilo. If u smell green blood instead that just means theres a herbivore near by and u can go for that incase u lost the dilo
indigo sun
Just keep blood red and hunt with it normally cause blood stands out as bright red, same with yellow footprints. Theyre different colors to stand out against stuff
little tendon
White footprints then for herb and yellow for carnivore?
And blood just stays the same?
Is dat better?
bright tide
Why not just leave it be? Part of the fun of tracking is not knowing what you are hunting down
All you know is the size of the footprint it leaves behind
loud tapir
Idk it sounds like its dumbing down already in mechanics, a good predator should be able to decide on the size of the dino at least based on the footprint size.
mellow maple
I should probably apologize ahead of to the devs, admins, or mods if it seems tOo big. I tried to explain it without being just another "I want this dinosaur because it's cool". I tried to back up my suggestion, perhaps a bit too much... 👀 💦
tepid light
Detailed suggestions like yours is exactly what they want, you're fine
wheat igloo
^
loud tapir
Since you mention that it would run away from apex carnivores, how fast would it be, like an idea would be cool
mellow maple
I never got into stats because it's purely concept. I guess if I had to give an idea of its speed, it'd be barely faster than any of the apexes in running. It'd be a tad faster than Trike per say. Maybe around Para speed?
Another concept I forgot to mention with the whole CTRL to tilt your body thing, is that if there's locational damage. Then the player can intentionally reduce damage by focusing their armor towards their aggressor.
Especially with collision in the works, packs would have to work around a shield and flank it.
That's my concept of it anyway
slender spindle
i see anky as just fitting in (with the strength to survive) so i don't see a weaker anky being very viable
mellow maple
It wouldn't exactly just be a weaker anky tho. It's has a different body plan with more body based attacks. Alongside that, I stated that not everything has to be apex killing machine. Borealo would be more a mobile but sorta tanky playstyle.
slender spindle
i know i read it
mellow maple
euoplocephalus would be a weaker anky imo
slender spindle
but
camo does not seem very viable to me
if something like this came to the game
i see only a small amount of dedicated players playing it
barren zephyr
How to balance apexes-
Remove apexes
slender spindle
but then the rex would not be in the game then all the rex fanboys will get mad and stop playing
slender spindle
like path of titans everyone wants a tyrannosaurs in that game
mellow maple
I can understand Borealo not being very viable in same cases.
For herbis weaker than it, dryo can run fast af
Galli especially
for herbis a tad stronger than it, they may also be faster n what not.
barren zephyr
lol alright, anyway, honestly the only way I could see them successfully balancing this simulated ecosystem is working from smaller creatures, up to larger ones
Everyone always wants rex, it drives me insane
mellow maple
And I was thinking of another form of defense rather than just speed
slender spindle
if i played it i would want to be with other strong herbis and still i would be the target bc i would be the weak link
i agree laarikin
rex don't need to be in every game
slender spindle
or at least not the big bad anyway
im sick to death see rex being the be all end all
like make it a glass cannon or a tank no both XD
viral creek
To be fair
Rex has the least health of any of the giant predators
And is the most vulnerable to being pack hunted.
slender spindle
how is rex the most vulnerable to being pack hunted? there is always like 2-3 rexes (depending on the server)
hasty parcel
Giga gets packed hunted a lot less by anything other than rexes
barren zephyr
Rex is probably one of the most common carnivorous apexes played out of all of them. If you're playing on any server, there's bound to be at least 5 rexes lol
craggy scarab
@echo mauve discussion or responding to suggestions in the #general-feedback is not allowed. That’s what #general-feedback-discussion is for.
barren zephyr
I think having nests as a type of public listing would be great, you wouldn't have to worry about random invites constantly. And if you wanted to get nested as something, you could do it right away instead of begging someone to do it, or having to beg someone to let you nest them in
lilac swallow
I like the public nest idea but nesting people should be able to "un public" their nest
Imagine you are trying to nest a friend and then a random Guy takes the egg
barren zephyr
Yeah, I think there should be private nesting as well. Or you can "reserve" eggs, where when an egg is ready it will auto-invite the player you specified
That is, if you want auto-invitation enabled on your nest
lament thorn
or you know
just a button on the nest that you can click and re click to open and close the nest
mossy mauve
Removing strikes over time sounds gud to me 
lament thorn
I wonder why
mossy mauve
What is that supposed to mean? 
lament thorn
nothin 
fathom idol
Dont really see the point in bringing it up to be honest...A strike is a strike.. If you behave, you wont get any. Taking them away would just give you another chance to misbehave again and again
lament thorn
eh people make mistakes and if it took a while for them to be removed after getting one its not like it would cause chaos
fathom idol
Depends on what they got that strike for isnt it..
tender latch
I'm pretty sure I did @indigo sun
indigo sun
With that suggestion?
tender latch
Yeah
tender latch
Asking for strikes to be removed
indigo sun
Where is that rule stated?
indigo sun
Its not a rule.
tender latch
I still know I'll get banned for no reason someday.
indigo sun
In fact, there's a screenshot of an admin saying that, if it has been long enough, you can politely ask Punchpacket to remove a strike. This isnt childish 20-year-olds running a server. They conduct themselves like adults and personally feeling upset wont do shit if you didnt break the rules ever. And you wont get banned unless you blatantly break the #rules-and-info, which are <<right there there ya go. So unless youre a deliberate asshole or a total and utter dumbass, you'll be fine.
tender latch
But I'm paranoid from being a strike 2 though
frail sigil
You have the right to your suggestion and opinion as long as it isn't hurting anyone else. You shouldn't worry about putting a suggestion in
tender latch
But I broke the rules
tender latch
Yeah
tender latch
Yeah, when I said that I know I'll get banned for no reason someday.
indigo sun
Thats not... breaking a rule though..
What drugs are you on? I want some.
Please show me what rule states "saying you will get banned is a rule break and you will actually be banned from the server." Show me.
tender latch
I should just leave the server now so an admin won't have the pleasure of banning someone
indigo sun
YOURE NOT. GETTING BANNED
tender latch
Well, maybe I could somehow ban myself, then.
indigo sun
You didnt break any fucking rules. Why are you making such a big deal out of this?
tender latch
Anyways, my point is: I'll inevitably get banned for no reason sometime, the end.
indigo sun
You didnt do anything wrong with your suggestion. Theres no rule stating you cant say "i might get banned." The only way you would get banned is if you break any of the 9 #rules-and-info listed. If you do get banned in the future, its your own fault because you didnt follow the rules. If you dont know what your strikes are for or whatever and thats what youre freakin out about or some shit because you think theyre handin out strikes for nothing, DM an admin and ask. Its really simple.
Youre making a fuss for nothing. Just enjoy the discord and follow rules.
fathom idol
Fuzzy dont blame yourself for doing something you have not done, you made a suggestion, nothing else. Strike 4 is right, just follow rules, and if you have doubts, just dont write it down at all. Its really that easy..
oblique sluice
@brave solstice If i remember correctly, it's confirmed to have that in the future
brave solstice
oh sweet!
im not very active in this discord so i wasnt sure on if it was suggested before or confirmed for the future ^^
oblique sluice
I think it was talked on #519931024956850187
brave solstice
thank you :>
indigo sun
@crystal sorrel any updates have to wait until the code is done. They cannot add on to old, shitty code that they are not actually working on at all. They can implement something like that into the actually working code and bring it to game with or after the recode.
"small updates" arent possible
barren zephyr
may as well not bother with any updates till after the recode really
indigo sun
even if they could work on the old code, it would take time away from rebuilding the game and add on extra work later when they need to eventually redo that too.
barren zephyr
yea
willow zealot
indigo sun
what does that have to do with a suggestion?
barren zephyr
I see an eggs button
still temple
Borealopelta sounds good to me
nodosaurs could use some love for once
one thing I'd change is the tail also being able to attack
and if locational dmg is going to be a thing, make it so borealo is immune to neck crits. Maybe even inflicting passive damage to stuff that bites it's neck
viral creek
@ripe badger i'd move that to #401481402782056460 if I were you. Also the pay to win thing is only on unofficial servers, set up by admins
bright tide
Because this is suggestion discussion
Anything people have to say about what you posted goes in here
ripe badger
i see i see, makes sense then
and I can see why it would go in feedback
don't know how to delete though
bright tide
And pay to win is effectively pay to play in this game because being able to buy an apex full grown over letting anyone else who can't afford it deal with weaker species or growing up from scratch lets the one who can pay win
mellow maple
I'm glad to see people like my Borealopelta suggestion ^^
I believe something along the lines of nodosaurs would be a breath of fresh gameplay for the isle.
bright tide
If you float over the message you left, you will see three vertical dots to the right of the message. Click on that for more options and hit delete
mellow maple
But I also wanted to cater to a newly described dinosaur so it deserves spotlight as much as ones we're already familiar with.
ripe badger
what I said had nothing to do with pay to win
if it was a free to play game, there is less stress for balance
frail sigil
I've deleted it thank you for putting it in feedback instead.
ripe badger
but when people pay to play a game, there is more focus on balance and not changing the map. for example
ty for deleting it
bright tide
So you are asking...for them to balance an unfinished game...just because it was a purchased early access game
ripe badger
100%? no
did you read what I wrote at all?
wasn't much there, but your taking huge leaps
bright tide
because you wrote next to nothing and left people to draw their own conclusions
ripe badger
lol?
bright tide
You say it is unbalanced for a game that isn't free
ripe badger
extremely unbalanced for a pay to play game.
how is that not straight forward enough?
bright tide
Which is like saying "balance this stuff because I had to pay for this"
ripe badger
there is an extreme unbalance in the game
mellow maple
Welll, if I had to pitch in my thoughts, I don't care if a game is unbalanced, so long as its fun.
ripe badger
and paying to play a game when this extreme unbalance is ongoing is an issue
bright tide
It is not even 10% complete and we are in the middle of a recode wait
ripe badger
nah nah nah, now your trying to argue on a different point
mellow maple
Trying to put in a game with dinosaurs and other archosaurs from all over the mesozoic is bound to cause imbalance
ripe badger
you want to argue what I said, go for it
mellow maple
No matter what
bright tide
No I am not, you want them to edit old ass code to balance shit
barren zephyr
.... you pay 20 bucks for early access to a game...
mellow maple
Ah shit, this conversation is getting spicy 👀 🔥
bright tide
Because it is "not balanced for a paid game" that is clearly early access
ripe badger
this conversation is pretty close minded when he has too much of a bias
mellow maple
I shall derail it to talk about my suggestion because I want attention 
👏
barren zephyr
wuh
bright tide
We don't have any of the fight mechanics, none of the factions are completed
We don't even have the human factions in
barren zephyr
dude you're not even explaining anything
ripe badger
I have nothing more to explain
barren zephyr
just saying that we're wrong
ripe badger
it is exactly that
bright tide
Why tell the devs to waste time balancing dead code
barren zephyr
Moss, it ain't worth it. Just let'em think
ripe badger
wow
bright tide
Wouldn't it still be able to smack things with its tail?
ripe badger
the gang up is real
barren zephyr
That'd be fantastic
bright tide
I like the shoulder spiking thing though
barren zephyr
It's like anky, but sexier lol
barren zephyr
I feel like it would be more of a defense animal than anything
ripe badger
and 1 point opinion and experience
mellow maple
I wouldn't give that feature because the main way of defending would be its side.
ripe badger
the fact you have to have your buddy here get involved is pretty pathetic mate
not even triggered
why bring it up
mellow maple
I also thought Borealopelta would be unique to have a crouch, not akin to bipedals.
ripe badger
if you don't care about what it means?
mellow maple
But for positioning
ripe badger
cool story, you are still involving yourself in something you have no involvement in
mellow maple
I imagine Ankylosaurians would have some form of armor, and if you can tilt that armor to face your aggressor, you may take less damage.
ripe badger
and he is crediting you for it
mellow maple
But in turn, if someone attacks from your flank, you're cucked.
barren zephyr
idk I wish we had some sort of example
brittle ivy
@ripe badger They’ve moved onto a different topic, I suggest you do the same
barren zephyr
Hmm
ripe badger
lol?
bright tide
yeah, but like, can you imagine bora just kind of intimidating shuffling at you in the crouched position to try to push the threat away xD
mellow maple
my main drive for Borealopelta is that its remains are just so phenomenal, I want more people to know about it.
barren zephyr
lmao Do we have any animals that have any similarities to the hodosaur today that could be based off of it
viral creek
We're aware of some of the balance issues, but nothing can be changed until the reocde is out of the way
mellow maple
To me, it deserves as much as attention as possible.
I believe its unique countershading trait would also make it stand out
Recent paleo can invoke creative gameplay IMO 👀
bright tide
Cause I don't imagine that bora would be able to sharply wheel about to deal with preds from the rear very well. So the shoulder shuffle is good, but like, limited
mellow maple
I agree
viral creek
Not really sure if countershading matters much, considering that skin customization is a thing.
mellow maple
Hmm, true.
viral creek
And countershading isn't exclusive to that creature, it's an extremely common trait in nature
mellow maple
In retrospect, I need to word it better 
countershading would def not be a Borealo exclusive thing
But it's one of the most well represented.
bright tide
So like, maybe the shoulder crouch would be good if it could also swing its tail. It just wouldn't be able to turn quickly in that state
viral creek
I mean realistically yeah. But with skin customization you can make your own really extreme countershading
bright tide
Plus the tail swing wouldn't have that big of a range on it
viral creek
I think you're better off putting more focus onto it's shoulder attacks than it's ability to blend in
mellow maple
Idk if I'd even wanna give it a tail swing. The whole deal with nodosaurs are the lack of tail clubs, so focusing on body bashes would be lit
Ankylosaurids would have that.
barren zephyr
If there was a tail swing, I don't see it doing much damage, it would probably be more of a stun attack than anything
bright tide
Lack of tail club doesn't necessarily mean they didn't use their tails in a battle
barren zephyr
if they hit hard enough
bright tide
The armor plating would leave some pretty nasty surface wounds
barren zephyr
but their tail would have to be a whip
bright tide
Cause like, imagine that tail with those osteoderms slamming into something
Welts and bruises for days on meaty areas
mellow maple
I was thinking of focusing on the body as you only have two buttons. So I was like "Left button" for left bash, and right button for right bash.
But I wouldn't be opposed to the tail
but idk how'd to work that in kek. So I'm open to ideas.
bright tide
I'd only want the tail simply because of how limited the range would be on the shoulder bash
mellow maple
I gotcha.
bright tide
They are not nimble animals, so you can't expect them to lunge several feet to lance an opponent with their shoulder spikes
That means they would have to rely on the enemy coming in close to their front every time
Otherwise their butt just gets mauled because they can't turn that well
mellow maple
Understandable
bright tide
Then again this a game
I suppose if they did the animations right, you could alt + L/R click combo for a sharp "butt hop" like a lot of herbivores do today
That might let them turn sharply enough to keep their defensive weapon pointed at the closest foe
mellow maple
If they do Borealopelta (unlikely) or any form of nodosaurid. I'm sure they'll find a way to make it fun.
It's a group of dinosaurs that doesn't seem to have a model yet, and would be a reasonable choice for new gameplay in survival
IMO anyway.
jovial moss
@balmy pine Buffing Giga would only make it more destructive to the balance of the game, giga is the best and most viable dinosaur in the game when you consider ALL of its match ups with the other dinosaurs. If anything, it needs a bite force nerf
paper oriole
Giga doesnt need a buff at all, it is the best hunter of mid tiers, demolishes trike, and the only threat to a not trash giga player in survival is rex
umbral prairie
I really don't understand how so many people base a dinos strength on how well it does against the one thing designed to be very strong against big dinos
and completely ignore every single other matchup there is
paper oriole
if anything giga needs a nerf lmao
lilac swallow
Is not like a giga cant scape a rex nor that rex has smaller dino packs as natural predators
barren zephyr
Ikr rex kills everything and the bone break means it can bite an apex while fighting and if the rex needs to escape it can just bolt while the other apex cant cos it has a broken leg but maybe this could be solved with only 5 bone break damage max from a bite so the target can escape and does not die
Everytime it bites
indigo sun
Could also be fixed by making the bone break mechanic not a piece of shit, which the devs are working on
normal fern
@barren zephyr The whole point of rex is that he fucks over other apexes, in return dilo, Utah, Allo and probably even a fucking taco pack fucks over rexes.
Whereas giga only has to worry about rex and even then not really
paper oriole
tentacle made a similar suggestion before using the annihilation bear as an example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHc-O9MBGnw
would really add to the horror aspect of the strains to hear this in the woods as a merc or another dino
sacred wyvern
yea dat what i mean basically
neat flicker
@echo mauve This is the Isle's official discord; where other servers don't belong. On the forums there is a section where people can advertise their servers; but this is not the place for that
burnt wasp
I made a suggestion and I no longer see it up there. Did it get deleted and if so why?
indigo sun
What was the suggestion
spiral pond
about adding otters
indigo sun
Oh
It was probably because "add this thing, it'd be neat" isn't a valid suggestion according to the pinned messages in that channel. They want a niche for it to fill and a purpose for the devs to spend $7k on an animal. I think otters are too small anyway. Dryo is the minimum for playables
paper oriole
small animals would be neat to see as AI, they could just use storebought assets for those, but playable? ehhhhhh no
maybe just limited to rodents and lizards
as ai
burnt wasp
I would like to learn why from whoever deleted my suggestion without telling me please....and what is wrong with Otters being a playable creature?
paper oriole
it's a game about dinosaurs, mercenaries and mutants of those two
horror survival pvp game
tiny animal that would serve no purpose in the ecosystem other than a snack equal to a potato chip to most dinosaurs
spending thousands on a model for this animal, along with animations and sounds, when it's basically a downgraded water taco that doesn't fit the theme of the game.
after making this useless addition playable they would then have to design a way for it to get food since the current ecosystem isnt designed for something so small and weak
as far as asking a mod why they deleted it (probably because it's against one of the rules to just suggest "add X" without an idea for its gameplay purpose) you should @ mods and ask them
indigo sun
Theyre too small
You couldnt do anything with them and would be at most a snack for everyone else. Feels like a waste of money and not many people would play it
Here's the exact reason it got deleted
indigo sun
I think generally one of us would have gotten to it and let you know, or they expect you to read the pinned messages
burnt wasp
@cerulean rune I like it but it makes more sense for that field to be in special areas but have something in those areas that will entice you into them like something that would further your progression pretty much like a dungeon. like how world of warcraft has dungeons and raids that you do to down bosses and get better gear. The Isle could do something close to that that is part of The Isle's lore.
blazing charm
@barren zephyr The rule change was made for a reason. With current mechanics and balance, herds are simply un-huntable with Triceratops around.
barren zephyr
But why it works on other servers perfect?
paper oriole
lots of other servers have rules against mass killing and whatnot, official doesnt
grave karma
^
paper oriole
either way though, with trikes in mix herd on official or not, it gets fucky. with trikes in mixed herds you get herbivore death squads, without them there are a lot less herds
blazing charm
Non-Official servers in my experience police the experience alot more, atleast in my experience.
random knoll
jesus
barren zephyr
But come on guys 2 trikes are not really dangerous.
grave karma
they kinda are
random knoll
depends how many gigas or rexes it is
paper oriole
they can be in a mixed herd
random knoll
and how many mid herbis you have
blazing charm
Imagine this, you are hunting a small group of Diabloceratops as an Allosaurus, one of you makes a slip-up and gets hit by a Triceratops, so you need to sit down urgently. The moment you escape the Triceratops and attempt to heal, those Diabloceratops from before are now charging towards you now that the Triceratops has softened you up.
It's not about Triceratops being too dangerous themselves, it's the synergy they have with other herbivores.
barren zephyr
Well, now I'm sure you are right but for me it doesn't really make sence to play trike because u are never find other trikes.
paper oriole
they need to find another way to liven up the herbivore population, but bringing death squads back isnt it
random knoll
but yeha they can get pretty crazy
random knoll
they never od that anyway
they run around the trike
no smart person sits right next to a trike
paper oriole
well sameish thing i meant, they stay by it to use the trike as a meat shield so the mid tiers hunting have a big chance to run into it
not literally huddling
random knoll
yee
normal fern
Trike as meat shields is stupid.
If you want herbivores to form mix herds for the long term you basically want herbivores to be invincible to anything other than an apex.
If a diablo is balanced against defending itself against an allo and runs away from a rex .
Putting it in a mixherd basically lets it do fuckall as the allos can't hunt it and the diablo can just let the trike defend it from the rex
You either have self sufficient herbivores that group with their own kind or you can have mixherding herbivores that suck ass solo.
Can't have your cake and eat it
brisk mesa
@long heath Ten seconds to point out how exploitable this is.
Safelog near cliff.
Log back in.
Jump off of cliff.
Being immune to damage and all.
Currently, you have 3 seconds.
2-5 minutes is just, absurd.
Even if it's only player-damage, you could just log out, log back in and run through a pack of things without being harmed.
Guaranteed escape button.
Safelog against group, log back in, escape and even if you are incompetant, you wont get injured, bled, etc
lilac swallow
Maybe you are inmune until you push the first movement/attack key?
This way you are inmune only when you are loading but not after that
long heath
I said immune to PLAYER damage.
Not all damage as a whole.
If you jumped off a cliff you would still die.
lilac swallow
The moment you try to scape you stop being inmune you know? Therefore you cant scape
long heath
Something needs to be done about people who camp places people log in, it's not fair to those who need to load the map with textures, assets and other players, then when it finally does load they're greeted with the dinosaur selection menu.
Grace period needs an extension because three seconds is petty.
long heath
So then 30 seconds.
minor basalt
10 seconds at most
long heath
It could be exploited yes.
But that's the argument for literally every other feature in this game.
minor basalt
That's about how long your dino is stuck there as the world is loading in
lilac swallow
30 seconds+whenever you move you are no longer inmune
Then if you try to exploit these 30 secs you simply cant because you moved
minor basalt
10 seconds would be fine
long heath
For people that don't load the map.
lilac swallow
Let me gess your pc doesnt last 30 secs to load
long heath
The Isle's been wonky since the color system was added for me.
Random freezes + shit.
jovial moss
As someone who often takes awhile to load in, 15 - 30 seconds to guage your surroundings would be fine
minor basalt
Then wait for the new update and see if it fixes it
lilac swallow
Nah non nasa pc owners doesnt deserve to even play
long heath
My rig ain't bad, it's the game itself having performance issues.
Anyway the grace period needs to be extended.
minor basalt
Yes, wait for an update, because maybe the load speed will be improved
indigo sun
You cant do anything else but wait so idk whats so funny. And the game is beig rebuilt so this issue can very much be fixed if the game does in fact run better than now
long heath
Been waiting for...how many months is it?
jovial moss
Something you weren't even hunting logging in in front of you and being able to have the chance to take in its surroundings and at least try and move away is more fair than what it is currently, being able to kill and attack people without them ever seeing anything happen or getting a chance to survive
lilac swallow
Oh maybe It Will never improve
indigo sun
What are you gonna do, shiina? Magic yourself up a new update? Kick the devs in the shin til they give it to you? You gotta wait and see how the new code helps
minor basalt
@long heath that's what happens when you're completely rebuilding a game 
wintry cipher
...perhaps this is why you should hide well before logging out, so there's no need for such a mechanic that could be cheezed?
lilac swallow
I once saw a Maia logging un in the Bush i was as a Rex i lasted 20 second before attacking it, It didnt have a chance
long heath
We'll just see if anything gets better with the recode.
wintry cipher
Sounds more like a problem with low res foliage, which will be fixed come the recode.
minor basalt
That's why i said wait for an update
long heath
waiting another 6 months for game improvements is fun but I guess it's necessary
indigo sun
Theyve already said the game runs smoother, so it should be better if not completely fixed post-recode
lilac swallow
I think 30 seconds of inmunite+whenever you move the inmunity goes out is hard if not imposible to exploit
wintry cipher
oh its very possible
lilac swallow
Tell me
long heath
Maximum 30 seconds, that's all I'm saying about a grace period timer.
lilac swallow
You forgot the "whenever It moves the inmunity goes out"
wintry cipher
10 seconds is more than enough; 30 is enough to get up, and charge something and kill it with it having no chance of being able to retaliate.
long heath
Can't take damage from players, can't attack players.
jovial moss
It's not just that one scenario though, despite the fact that you could log out ANYWHERE and have something still be nearby and see you while you're vulnurable, but it would keep things like rexes and gigas from also logging in on top of a herd and immediately killing them all before they can even react, in that scenario it doesn't matter where the rex/giga logged, it had the advantage of surprise that no one could watch out for and it's extremely unfair
wintry cipher
So you would be dealing with landmine zones of megapackers
long heath
There's also the factor of
Logging off one day, logging back on the next morning and coincidentally a group of carnivores or trikes sees you sitting there.
minor basalt
30 seconds is enough time to load in the instantly press esc and log out before something can kill you
long heath
Then going to town.
jovial moss
it takes a minute to log on official tho
long heath
Drabon...you do realize that your character is still there if you don't safelog?
minor basalt
Yes, but 30 seconds is enough time to not die from most things except apexes
lilac swallow
What?
jovial moss
15 would workas well, if 30 is too long
Just enough time to reasonably REACT would be nice
lilac swallow
You need a minute to logout
minor basalt
So if you login as a trike and a pack of allos see you, you can just log before they can kill you
long heath
No.
lilac swallow
What are you even talking about?
minor basalt
10 or 15 seconds would be enough time to retaliate
long heath
Why would a pack of Allos even attempt Trike.
lilac swallow
Imagine thinking we logout in the open
minor basalt
I've never had a problem with logging in and dying
long heath
Once I was waiting out the night as a Gallimimus in a bush, then a Giga, a full grown Giga, just popped into existence right beside me.
Now I didn't die, because it was clearly loading the map.
But that alone is a horrible disadvantage for the Giga.
If I was...say a Rex, I could easily kill it.
jovial moss
I haven't but I have had a problem with apexes logging in nearly on top of a MIGRATING HERD and dying, multiple times
long heath
Or if I was on the receiving end, logging back in with my Galli and something like an Allo is sitting there.
lilac swallow
I once killed a Maia that spawned just at my left before It could load
long heath
The Allo can literally stand up, look to the left and one tap me because I'm still loading the map.
minor basalt
Then wouldn't you say a 10-15 second timer would be enough time to get up and run away before you die
lilac swallow
It died just because its pc wasnt strong enought
jovial moss
A lot of dinos also make a good amount of noise when spawning, especially if laying down to hide, so like, it's not just a visual problem. If a trike logs in a tree far away but you can hear it sit, it's still dead
lilac swallow
You know in 10/15 secs my pc dont load the map?
long heath
Don't they play the resting sounds when they get in anyway?
minor basalt
The vast majority of people don't play on toasters
lilac swallow
Nah fuck us for not spending 1000$ on a pc
jovial moss
It's unreasonable to expect ppl to go to the corner of the map to log out every time, people log out at semi populated areas for the sake of having fun later and continuing to play. Not just people with toaster computers are affected by this problem
minor basalt
Nope, but people with high end PCs can skip a whole 30 seconds of the logout timer basically
lilac swallow
We dont deserve having the same chance as the other even if we meet the requirements
jovial moss
Drabon have you considered: the log out timer can start after the invincibility frames?
long heath
^
lilac swallow
Maybe just maybe when you push the esc key the inmunity wears off too?
random knoll
nah
long heath
You can't just log in, have the grace timer, see that whatever is still trying to kill you is still there, then hit escape and get through half the logout timer completely invincible.
lilac swallow
@long heath i would edit the suggestion and put the 30 sec+when you push a key the inmunity wears off
minor basalt
Or just 15, since that's well enough for most people to load in
long heath
Most.
jovial moss
I think it'd be less invincibility and more just uninteractable with other players, so no cliff jumping/ocean swimming takes place
lilac swallow
Or 30 because you cant do shit while being inmune since pushing even the menú key wears off the inmunity
long heath
You can still drown/fall from heights with the grace period.
It's just player interaction.
Starvation, dehydration, all that stuff can still kill you.
It's just a preventive measure to stop players camping each other out.
lilac swallow
And the "most people play in high esp pc" idk i know a fairly amount of people with pc even worse than mine on this discord
jovial moss
most ppl are not rich, so I don't think most people have high end gaming pcs
minor basalt
You don't need a high end PC to load the game in under 30 seconds
minor basalt
Even in the state it's in
lilac swallow
You have a low pc?
minor basalt
I used to play the isle on a toaster
long heath
How long ago was this, 2014?
jovial moss
My computer can handle most o ther games in a reasonable amount of time, Isle is just fat for some reason, (which will hopefully be fixed with recode)
long heath
It's a bold statement to assume people that buy a $20 dollar game have titan PCs.
minor basalt
I don't think the game was even out in 2014
lilac swallow
Still you are basically asking me to spend money on a pc for a Game i meet the minimun requeriments
long heath
ARK is like $60 bucks so people are aware of how hefty it is.
jovial moss
I think I run ark better than I run the isle lmao
long heath
Same.
minor basalt
You know minimum requirements is the requirements to just run the game
lilac swallow
Never said i just meet the minimun requeriments im just not on optimal
long heath
I remember the glory days
Anyway,
Current grace period is ew.
Needs to be extended to 15-30 seconds.
So that way people with less powerful rigs or the game being its usual self can actually enjoy playing instead of cheesed deaths.
normal fern
No it doesn't, you need to hide better
And if by some 1 in 100000 million chance you hide really well but you log in and oops a rex is hiding there ready to attack you...
Better luck next time, can happen to anybody
Something that'll happen once in 5000 hours of play time should not be used to dictate the altering of an in-game mechanic
barren zephyr
Sorry bud, I really don't see a Dilo or a Utah climbing trees. Though tree climbing would be kinda cool, it probably wouldn't be for those two. I had heard something about Herra possibly being able to climb trees in the future, but who knows
indigo sun
Utah will be getting pounce already and has an amazing jump so it doesnt really need to climb trees, not to mention if either utah or dilo has working eyes it can do fine enough to escape deino or any spinosaurid. If you cant escape it already, climbing trees wont help you.
Herra is a maybe, because that could definitely have it fill a sort of jaguar niche, being able to climb trees and drape small kills over the branches to save. Utah and dilo dont need to climb trees though, and austro would do much better as a small tier, land-based fisher that manages to escape other fishers/other dinosaurs using speed and agility @trail mesa
oblique sluice
At least their calls are cooler
limpid dove
Herrera would be a fun, 30-minute growth carnivore tbh. It could be super speedy as it is, but pretty much as strong as dryo, if not, slightly stronger - with bleed as well. It would likely be a scavenger but would hunt very small adults or juveniles, and occasionally dryo. Herrera is pretty strong as is right now. I only say that cause with enough patience and biting, you can kill a full adult Anky and even a full adult Carno with a herrera lol
Relying on bleed of course ^
All that Herrera really needs is better fall resistance, better bleed heal and better health heal and tbh it's pretty good where its at
Oh, and shorter growth time considering it takes like, 2 hours to grow.
sage helm
I think herrera should be pretty scary to utahs with 3 or more in a group
Id put my money in to get herrera in survival
Make them the compies of the isle
lilac swallow
Keeping Herrera speed and making It as strong/stronger than dryo is pretty unfair for the dryo
Herrera would just outclass dryo in every way
limpid dove
Dryo should have something to scare off herrera.. hm
Perhaps it can have an alternative attack, such as a kick? I feel a kick from a dryo would hurt considering it uses those legs to not only run but also dig burrows and nests
At least hurt to a herrera
sage helm
Yea
trail mesa
the idea of some dinosaur in the trees like a leopard just sounds so fun and interesting to me, the last time we had any dinosaur in a tree was when herbis would eat a full tree and stand on it until it grew
viral creek
@clear coral I don't agree with this tbh. Fights in nature can be unpredictable. You need to know when to hold back, and when picking a fight with something larger than you. You are knowing the risks.
It's also not really possible to do something like that. A system dosen't know every last one of a player's defensive strategies, and therefore. Cannot determine if you are safe. A lot of players have a few tricks, such as pretending to combat log, then turning around and biting when they don't expect. Brake checks, etc.
burnt wasp
@paper oriole I been wanting that for a long time! Rex should really have a mechanic that allows it to clamp it's jaws down and just hold slowly crushing bones and if able to get a good bite onto the neck able to just kill the prey without ever taking damage. though there needs to be some kind of counter aswell.
bright tide
But...what kind of counter would even be effective
winter sage
Shinji, what you're asking for is quicktime events. That's not ever something I'll get behind for this game.
As for your reasoning, no, predators DON'T always know the opportune time to strike, they risk failure every time they attempt a hunt.
indigo sun
@little tendon @slender spindle no discussion in #general-feedback you should be talkinng about suggestions in this channel
slender spindle
@little tendon strike is right we should continue in here
and the effect is to act like a deterrent
it works
but people don't understand why it is a thing that annoys me
little tendon
Oh
clever hinge
@Ravenous#1662 I like most of your suggestions for the ptera, but there are 2 things I disagree with
1 the idea of running and flapping to take of, yes if this was a bird then that is how it would take off, but it’s not a bird, and the method pteradons used to take off was more like a pole vault than a running start. So they would be able to get in the air pretty fast but they might be low to the ground for a couple seconds,
2 the idea of warm air currents that you ride to stay up, ya it sounds cool in theory but it would be pretty annoying in game and sounds very hard to program.
fast flume
@clever hinge Thanks for agreeing, now do keep in mind that the length of runway required for the Mustang to get airborne was not supposed to be very representative of how I want the Ptera to take off, it was more me saying that I don't want it to look like this:
I am by no means an expert on pterosaurs, but I would like them to be able to quad-launch themselves if they have a bit of slope to work with, or do a few strides and leaps to gain speed and then take off as that is more accurate than that helicopter in the gif up above iirc.
Thermal updrafts have been done in several games and flight-sims iirc, and there would be no need to simulate them, they could be a simple slight lifting-effect placed in easy-to-spot places that are only active in certain weather-conditions and certain times of day...if the devs decide that they want to include them at all that is.
I'm really hoping for wind to be an actual thing in game at some point, as it would add quite a bit to the ptera-experience, and wind would lend itself well to long-range shooting for mercs as well if the devs were serious about making that feel somewhat like ARMA.
outer nebula
they will have a quad launch but that be stamina dependent and the other take off will be more of a steady take off, from what i gathered from the streams
outer nebula
@barren zephyr troodon was about the same size as a velo and probably be more like the velo
barren zephyr
Eh they could make it bigger
And i think they get around wolf sized (Latenivenatrix)
Yes i know Troodon is dubious
outer nebula
knowing the team they would rather look for dinos that are really different from each other
outer nebula
well the way you described it, it just be a small version of a dilo
south flower
@clear coral I have to agree with Gulpy. Adding a system where you have the ability to predict another player’s movements or strategies just makes for lazy gameplay, especially if you have an auto lock mechanic on enemies. It’s a survival game; you got to strategize on your own accord and pay attention when fighting.
“Currently you try to bite when you think is the moment, but you don't know for sure and all you can do is eyeballing and risking you whole progress if you fail. That doesn't works this way in real world.”
Actually that IS how it works in the real world. and that’s the entire point of the game. Again, it’s a survival game. You can’t read people’s minds. You can’t know every move their about to make.
outer nebula
the dilo has venom and its a anti-coagulant thats why it has so much bleed. this was confirmed by the devs. so adding a troodon be more a smaller dilo
viral creek
Tbh I'd rather have herrera over him
outer nebula
same
barren zephyr
Me too but this is IF we're getting a new dino
south flower
“Let’s not argue over this k?”
It’s a discussion channel. You’re discussing the benefits of adding certain ideas to the game. It’s not an argument until you turn it into one.
Anyway, I don’t see much benefit of adding a troodon. If I elaborated I would just be repeating what Doc and Gulpy already mentioned
lilac swallow
If we are getting a new Dino i would rather It being unique
outer nebula
same
barren zephyr
i deleted it fine
south flower
You don’t have to delete it, man.
outer nebula
yeah we are discussing the application of it we dont hate it but other dinos do what it does soo much better
south flower
Heck there may be other people who may have ideas of how it COULD be unique. I just personally can’t think of any ideas
lilac swallow
True at least trodoon is not a carbon copy of other dino like tarbo or carcha
barren zephyr
Hm i see
outer nebula
quick question do you know the size of the dryo
barren zephyr
oof
barren zephyr
lmao
outer nebula
at this rate the troodon would be more picked on by the dryo then the troodon bullying the dryo
mellow maple
Troodon? What's that?
paper oriole
a lie
unborn quail
an invalid genre
indigo sun
@barren zephyr like being able to only slay yourself?
loud tapir
Dryo running up to a rex and doing /slay on him and instantly killing him is ofc what he means 
umbral prairie
@fast flume I like most of your ptera ideas, however I don't think ptera being able to look around freely is a good idea. I think with something like that it becomes way too easy to scout for other players, but if you control a ptera like planes in war thunder, you'd have to fly down like you showed at the start of the video and then fly up again, which would likely cost stamina and at least make scouting a bit harder
outer nebula
@fast flume you ever play AER they have a pretty nice flight mechanic and gives you more control over flying. if you dive it picks up speed and when you level out it retains that speed
fast flume
@umbral prairie Iirc, the devs have said that they have some sort of way to prevent ptera from being used effectively as a scout.
We ofcourse have no idea what that is quite yet, but I feel like limiting what you can do as a solo ptera to punish people trying to use them as scouts (which will inevitably happen anyways as far as I can think of) doesn't seem like a smart way to go about things. Would feel like the devs would take too drastic a measure for little to no effect on the problem imho.
I feel that looking around independently of where you're flapping or gliding is pretty paramount to making the ptera-experience somewhat immersive, as flying without it would make any player of war thunder, world of warplanes, flight-sim, combat flight-sim, dcs, il2, arma, and so on, feel like they are flying with blinders and a neck-brace on.
I don't see how that would enable vc-scouts any more than not having it tho, ptera will still be a flyer capable of much greater speeds of travel than any terrestrial dino, so it will naturally make for an excellent scout no matter what mechanics or features one would take away from them, except maybe not rendering dinos on the ground above something like 10 meters.
@outer nebula can't say that I have, but I'll check it out, maybe that would make for a better "ptera" than my trusty old Mustang did XD
outer nebula
yeah when looking at the flying for that game it felt natural and really good. it also used flapping as a way to gain altitude and move
craggy scarab
@fast flume I think it was something you wouldn’t see other dinos but you could see icons or something for gore piles
Also the fact that their flight is stamina based
fast flume
@craggy scarab 
I hope not, I was drooling over the fact that I was going to slowly soar above the shallows while looking at the suchos fishing near the bank on one end and some gigantic Deino would sneak up on'em and drown one
yeah, their flight being so stamina-based is why I think having a war thunder style "hold something to look around without changing directions" would be so important to have
loud tapir
Maybe just like rexes should have, they could only see dinos moving, just like in jurassic park and it wouldn't be too broken for the ptera to scout like that as well.
fast flume
let me glide while looking for food or safety without having to waste so much stam to get back to altitude to have another little peek at some other place
craggy scarab
But I’d assume we could see dinos else we won’t know if a landing spot is safe
fast flume
indeed
craggy scarab
Just probably not from high up
fast flume
which is why I can't even begin to guess at what they are going to do to prevent it from being a scout
flying low is likely going to be just as fast as flying high up, so still viable for scouting
craggy scarab
Except getting high up takes a lot of stamina
fast flume
yeah, but I still would take ptera-scouts in vc with apexes over having to see dinos pop into existance out of thin air due to crossing some altitude-barrier
loud tapir
I'd rather have them pop out of thin air tbh
fast flume
given how much time and resources have gone into making the game look absolutely gorgeous, it would be a damn shame to spoil that by having the most cinematic playable be the only one exposed to render-distance trickery to maintain fairness
craggy scarab
I’m also thinking their flight speed isn’t significantly faster then land animals
lilac swallow
@echo bridge i once basically had the same idea but i also thought about a legs having a given amount of hp so bigger dinos have more hp in their legs instead of basing It on weight
fast flume
I hope they have some stupidly brilliant way of handling it that we simply haven't thought of
echo bridge
Yeah that could work too
But then that would still allow for small tiers to break tyrant tiers legs
Just takes more hp to decrease
fast flume
their flight-speed would have to be faster than land animals to be convincing tho?
craggy scarab
Only on a dive
lilac swallow
Yeah but maybe the hp is so high that is technically imposible just like It is technically imposible for a pachy to kill a trike
echo bridge
Unless you can instead just use the quotient to just determine whether you can apply bb dmg or noy
craggy scarab
Maybe same speed or similar as sprint?
echo bridge
Like if something weighs ×3 as much as you or more you cant apply bb dmg
lilac swallow
But yeah we agree on bb needing a certain and determinate amount of hits on the legs before appling
fast flume
30-40 km/h on the sleekest flyer we'll ever see ingame would seriously dissappoint me
the quetz in the old builds is amazingly fast compared to any land-dino, I have a hard time seeing how the devs will be able to justify making ptera a slow-poke Oo
craggy scarab
Remember gliding will always lose altitude
I’m guessing flight will be fairly short range compared to the map unless you fly as high as you can and glide
And hovering probably won’t be a thing realistically
fast flume
yeah, unpowered flight loses altitude unless you find a thermal updraft which birds frequently use
good riddance about the hovering, but the rest?
such a damned shame if that's what they'll do
ptera is a golden opportunity to have a skill-based animal to play as, with a completely different set of challenges to it than any other playable in the game
unless you gimp it's entire ability to fly that is, then it just becomes a gliding-capable piscivorous dryo
lilac swallow
I think that while not being slow at all ptera Will be slower than quetz but have a way better turn, basically a utah-carno relationship
fast flume
but if the quetz is what we use to measure the ptera up against, ptera will still be blindingly fast compared to land-dinos
violet magnet
@barren zephyr "make /slay command a player command"
fuck no
viral creek
We all be slaying eachother
fast flume
Realistically speaking, even a humble duck can clock in at +60mph, and peregrine falcons have been clocked at close to 200mph in a stoop, according to Stanford University "Interestingly, there is little relationship between the size of a bird and how fast it flies. Both hummingbirds and geese can reach roughly the same maximum speeds."
Flying literally is all about speed unless your plane is named UH-1 Huey or UH-60 Blackhawk or something along those lines
(Or for the uninitiated, should I say: Unless your plane's propeller is pointed directly upwards? )
violet magnet
"hunting is too hard, just /slay"
viral creek
Falcons are insane
jovial moss
/slay raptorluvr22
violet magnet
"that guy killed me once, /slay"
lilac swallow
Basically the bigger the faster on non "sprinting" speed
craggy scarab
Hmm then I have no idea how it will be handled
fast flume
warning, dead duck in pic
here's a peregrine falcon and a duck in the same pic, falcon is smaller than the duck
just to illustrate why quetz doesn't necessarily have to be faster than ptera
lilac swallow
I know
echo bridge
Edited my suggestion to fit your idea into it dragon, I like it more now @lilac swallow
lilac swallow
@echo bridge ok
languid meadow
/fakesmite for warnings.
tidal nymph
/recode before December or this game dies
indigo sun
K cool
clever hinge
@fast flume @grand brook I think that we have very similar ideas about the pteradon but we disagree on the takeoff, it running then taking off wouldn’t really be possible for it this is how it’s thought that they took off https://youtu.be/CRk_OV2cDkk though I think that at about 15 to 17 seconds into that vid it should bring its legs down and try and push off with them even though it wouldn’t have added much power. Though it DEFINITELY should not look like ark where it gets possessed by the devil and levitates, it should have to continue to move forward to fly
grand brook
I'm all for it, I was just thinking of a way to make the take off both realistic and good gameplay wise, as it leaves the pteranodon vulnerable for a few seconds before launch as it gains altitude. This could work even better as it is similar to the ambush system in that it needs some warm up before the action.
craggy scarab
There are also two take offs they have animated already
I think the first is a jump take off using a bunch of stamina to get up fast
Second is more a run I think taking less stamina but longer to get up
clever hinge
Huh, I’ll just always use the jump cause it’s more realistic
unkempt forum
it would be pretty badass if foszor added in the titanaboa which could slither,swim,shed, and possibly wrap around it's body on tree branches or vines and when the titanaboa has the perfect opportunity where it can drop down on it's prey and could strangle the hell out of the prey til it stops moving, and i know that there could be a lot of debate about this but this is just an idea and probably not the first
compact coyote
that run take off looked so retarded lmao i really hope they dont go for that
hallow vigil
be nice folks
fast flume
@clever hinge like I’ve said earlier too, the length of runway required for a Mustang to take off was not intended to be representative of what I want the pteranodon to do, it was more me stating that I don’t want ptera to take off like they do in ARK and the quetz does in The Isle right now.