general-feedback-discussion

[paper oriole]

ok, compromise

make brachi only trample rex and giga AFKers 👌

[dull jungle]

I feel like gigas and spinos dont have a penalty when it comes to their turn if a rex brakes its leg

[indigo sun]

Not like it matters for the giga anyway, still dead

and spino's not balanced

[mellow maple]

@languid tundra It could be a natural predator trap or something. Think of that one bonebed in Cleveland-Lloyd where it has a fuck ton of allo bodies, except replace them with Cama.

[languid tundra]

Seems legit

[umbral tartan]

@formal vine Hypos are nowhere near finished in that video. Currently, hypo carno has the same stats as hypo rex, hypo spino and hypo giga. As well as that, strains will not be gained by growing into them over time. I've heard somewhere that its something the mercs manually have to do to a full grown strain-compatable dino, as a sort of long term goal or something (like pushing the payload in overwatch or killing the enderdragon in minecraft).
Also, hypo rex was playable to the public in progression for over a month, a few years back, and while yes, hypos were killing machines, despite the whole server trying to prog to get them, there were only 1-2 hypo rexes on a server. So there wont be like an insane amount of hypos or anything, and a pack of 8-10 rexes could kill a hypo rex if they cornered it. There is also a surprisingly large amount of utahs on each server, and if a utah player went near a cliff, or even a medium sized drop, they could fool the hypo into falling off and dying (they are really weak to fall damage).

[valid flower]

@valid zephyr it isnt really a smart idea since you could literally fall off a cliff without being aware

The map isn’t flat

[viral creek]

have you ever considered just like...

using your eyes

and stop autowalking when you see a cliff

this is coming from a person who has fuccin glasses

[valid flower]

Most people want auto walk to be busy with something else like their phone cause no one can be asked to stare at a walking trike for 3 hrs just to get to a place

[viral creek]

then that's their problem for being unintelligent and texting while playing a survival game

no different then something like texting while driving.

[valid flower]

How can someone be lazy to hold w anyways

That’s just fucked up

[viral creek]

to be fair

walking across the map as a trike can get tiring.

(on the fingers)

[valid flower]

Well v3 is shit anyways

[viral creek]

why are we talking about v3 now

[valid zephyr]

That's their problem if they're stupid enough to text and autowalk.

[valid flower]

Cause it’s too big

[valid zephyr]

far far too big

walking across it as a slow dino just sucks

and you can go hours without seeing anyone

which is why autowalk would be nice

[valid flower]

Mhm

[umbral tartan]

Trikes arent slow

Everything that is slow enough to not go across map is always an ungrown dino.

[valid zephyr]

they have the slowest run in survival, and don't regen stam on the fly

[umbral tartan]

"In survival"

Also, trikes are basically tanks

They arent supposed to be able to move around quick

[valid zephyr]

why does an autowalk change that?

[umbral tartan]

It doesnt

[valid zephyr]

you wouldn't have to use it

[umbral tartan]

But autowalk is kinda pointless

And the devs are working on other stuff

[valid zephyr]

well i'd find it extremely useful and I know lots of others that have wanted it

so defo not pointless

all quality of life improvements are technically not needed, but they're nice to have.

[umbral tartan]

An auto walk where you walk strait in one exact direction for as long as you keep it turned on... Walking in one direction in the isle like that will have you walking into trees and dropping off of rocks and all sorts

[valid zephyr]

you would still have mouse control and a/d to turn

[umbral tartan]

Then why do you need it?

[valid zephyr]

it would simply mean no needing to hold w

[umbral tartan]

Pressing down one button is not something we need

[valid zephyr]

because my finger aches after holding w for two hours

[umbral tartan]

Ehh

Yeah but still... really pointless

Just being able to not hold down one button

[valid zephyr]

that can be used to describe tons of game features. aka anything simply quality of life

[umbral tartan]

Its just holding it down

Not hard...

What I do is just tab out and check discord every now and then

[valid zephyr]

i'd rather set autowalk going then do that. if i run off a cliff it would be my fault

[barren zephyr]

Nice, stealing my memes

@umbral tartan

[umbral tartan]

Thats a compliment tho

It was really fucking funny

Funniest shit ive seen in days @barren zephyr

[barren zephyr]

my pleasure

at least say I'm the one who said it but you took it serioulsy :^)

[valid zephyr]

@formal vine I'd like to see anky as a herbi apex choice too. Would be a good challenge for rexes.

And would be the definition of bone break

[formal vine]

Yeah it would

[sick crescent]

Mhm

[civic sky]

A few hours late to the convo but Honestly anky and theri are probably the best contenders to be added as far as herbs go. Many are against theri but it can easily work with some tweaking which goes without saying.

[brittle bough]

if by tweaking you mean buffing its speed then yes

[mental sleet]

@cedar frigate I think that is intended.

[grave karma]

you know

do you have to be careful while running

[sick crescent]

@fast willow there used to be a fake bite

[fast willow]

I know I wish it would come back @sick crescent

[lament thorn]

I believe it was going to be used for corpse dragging

[obtuse shadow]

#general-feedback

[torpid wedge]

i would

LOVE

an autowalk

so many times i spawn on the opposite side of the map as my friends

and my fingers will fall asleep holding shift/w xD

[paper oriole]

i like this idea

i hope the geysers eventually do deadly heat damage and launch small dinos in the air while burning them to death

[grave karma]

blast a rexes head off please

[paper oriole]

yes

[paper oriole]

i want to pick up other people and chuck them off cliffs in the isle like i do in dragons dogma

[edgy furnace]

^

[brittle bough]

@gleaming solar can you answer this curiosity? what do you find unfavorable about being able to see your colors outside of the creation process?

[gleaming solar]

Do you mean, in game while walking around?

[serene hull]

On the character screen

Not a floating text saying "Utah 2" on your dino while playing in case you meant that lol

[gleaming solar]

If you mean while walking around then the problem is that the good looking colours suck for camo and the camo colours don't look good. If you mean when picking your colours, the names are wierd, they should just say dark grey not giga 2 or something.

[serene hull]

I'm very confused

[gleaming solar]

me too

[paper oriole]

so you don't like having to pick between functionality or aesthetic when making a dino skin? meh

i agree on the colour labels though

[gleaming solar]

I just pick the aesthetic, i love the looks and i dont care for the function in games 😛

it does not matter to me, it just seems like for camo colours they don't hide you as much as you would think

[paper oriole]

we need garbage raiding mechanic

[brittle bough]

the suggestion was basically for, say, a section in the character screen (the thing that shows up when you press insert) that says what your colors are
like "detail: lime | underbelly: utah 2" that sort of thing
idk why thats so hard to grasp lol

[paper oriole]

well i mean i guess why not

would also be sorta neat to be able to see what colours group members have selected if you see a skin you like

[violet magnet]

especially if you get nested at night and die before day

or die right before you hit adult so u never get to see ur colors

[sick crescent]

Dumpsters

[paper oriole]

hmmmmmm what if rooting through enough toxic waste in dumpsters unlocks type G strain

[naive helm]

60% chance you die while toxic waste diving, 4% chance you unlock Garbage strain

[subtle adder]

yes

[paper oriole]

galli runkick is perfect as is

[grand brook]

That continuous kick while anoying, is basically the only method of defense it has

stationary kicks are difficult to land

it can only really kill utahs, dilos and juvies

[barren zephyr]

People: "but it doesnt need to defend itselçr!!! it runs from anytrthin1"

[grand brook]

tell that to an angry ostrich

[valid zephyr]

i'm not the one who suggested removing its attack altogether

[formal vine]

IT can work against a rex's alt turn

[valid zephyr]

i think the stationary kick should be more powerful than current

[formal vine]

IT can assride a rex EVEN With alt turn seeing how slow it is

[valid zephyr]

like 250N, while the peck is 50N

[grand brook]

yeah but realistically what damage those it do to a t rex?

[valid zephyr]

galli should not take a rex

[grand brook]

and it doesn't

[paper oriole]

galli is a nuisance to rex and that is no reason to nerf it

[grand brook]

in an stationary kick you are too expossed, this is not like para who can more or less dodge an allo and/or tank it. Galli doesn't have that privilege

[barren zephyr]

plus

Utah is agile as fuick

and 2 shots galli

if it just gets stationary

its just useless

[grand brook]

a utah could turn around easily, using alt turn or z walk

and boom, two bites and ded

[valid zephyr]

I'm just seeing half the people think galli needs a neft, and half thinking it's underpowered.

[grand brook]

it's fine

[barren zephyr]

I am on the second half

[grand brook]

for what it's supossed to be it's fine, you are supossed to run from most threats, but if a utah looks at you wrong you dodge it and start kicking the living shit out of it

simple

[valid zephyr]

tbh I think utah should beat it on average in combat. It's slower than galli

running down utahs and kicking them to death isn't fun for the utah

[barren zephyr]

thats why you pack

utahs are pack hunters

[grand brook]

neither is being chased by them as a galli

[valid zephyr]

galli can flee from utah

utah can't flee from galli

[grand brook]

an ostrich can break a lions skull with a kick, being a fleeing bird doesn't make you defenseless

[barren zephyr]

look when you have gallis that kill utahs and dilos by spam attacking...

[valid zephyr]

i didn't say make it defensless

[barren zephyr]

I know an herb should be able to defend itself

[valid zephyr]

i think it should be 60/40 to the utah

that isn't defencless

[grand brook]

that's a problem with player behaviour not stats

like always

[barren zephyr]

but when it starts attacking the predator on sight rather than on last resort, it doesn't feel right

[valid zephyr]

galli can turn and run if it wants

[barren zephyr]

yeaaah

but you can try to force the behavior to change

at least a bit

[valid zephyr]

i watched 5 gallis die as they charged a 90% sub giga miles off

[grand brook]

they were dumbasses then

but if i utah uses ambush and starts to chase me i'll kick it

if i wanted to play a defenseless herbivore i'd play dryo

[valid zephyr]

yeah nothing wrong with that

utah should rely on ambush to catch galli

and galli should stand a reasonable chance of fighting it off

[grand brook]

like it does now

a utah can always climb a rock, or jump, or turn around and bite it a couple times

the current galli kick, much like the maia in general might be a pain for some utah players

but that's not the fault of stats, it's the fault of the players

until affinity comes that will be the case, simple as that

[paper oriole]

make all herbis unable to fight properly so they are all diff sized dryo

but wait!!! deino is a carnivore

[lament thorn]

delete all dinos

[barren zephyr]

🍼

[paper oriole]

put pool noodles on all diablo horns

[barren zephyr]

lmaoo

[paper oriole]

wouldnt wanna poke a utah's eye out with those dangerous horns

[grand brook]

yeah because if there's an endangered dino species

it's utahs

[barren zephyr]

sorry but

nerfing galli sounds dumb to me

Ava seriously needs to attack juvis

[grand brook]

welcome to the club

[paper oriole]

ava should apply a wicked bleed to juvies then run circles around them

[barren zephyr]

remove utah jump bc it can run away from other preds right and doesnt need to sit on shit

yeah

same logic imo

i think ava vs juvi rex should be like rex vs trike

[valid zephyr]

love how i'm accused of wanting to make herbs useless despite being the one campaigning for them constantly

[barren zephyr]

give Trike the option to choose quills as an option for the feather system?

[paper oriole]

idk, saying galli should stop for its attack doesnt sound like campaigning for herbis

[barren zephyr]

both taco with quills and trike with quills is great

it sholdnt stop

galli should 1 shot utahs

since gallis is like an ostrich

[grand brook]

that would be a bit much

[barren zephyr]

and ostriches can kill lions

gallis kick should make mroe damage imo

[grand brook]

as it is it's fine

[lament thorn]

isnt utah bigger then gali?

[paper oriole]

galli is fine as is

[barren zephyr]

galli is irl bigger

[paper oriole]

except its jump but thats an accidental flaw

[barren zephyr]

so

galli size buff

galli bb when

kinda same

[valid zephyr]

galli is basically struthio

[barren zephyr]

lorge

[valid zephyr]

in game

[barren zephyr]

real galli

[paper oriole]

ew prehistoric wildlife

[grand brook]

they could call it struthio, it's not like it's an unknown dinosaur

[paper oriole]

galli could have an extra growth if it kills enough juvie rexes

it gets rewarded with big grow

[barren zephyr]

gimme peck attack

[valid zephyr]

also galli should not one shot utah unless it's a headshot

[grand brook]

what's wrong with the galli's jump?

[paper oriole]

it has juvie jump

[grand brook]

i don't tend to use it

[paper oriole]

it was broken

[grand brook]

huh

never noticed

[valid zephyr]

balance > realism

[lament thorn]

its kinda useless

[barren zephyr]

u cant even jump over a rock

as adult galli

[grand brook]

i rather change the name to struthiomimus than making it larger

[valid zephyr]

herbis have plenty of mid tiers. we don't need galli turned into another

same reason making stego mid tier is stupid

[barren zephyr]

it could be big while being a small tier

because of the weight, if they make weigths realistic tho

will they make stego an apex?

they better

[grand brook]

implying that weight will still be relevant to combat

[barren zephyr]

imagine being a rex and losing your rex to a "mid tier" stego

it'd be good for everyone tbh

[valid zephyr]

stego should be an apex, and it's looking like it will be

[lament thorn]

hope so

trike is the only one so far

[paper oriole]

people already lose rexes to "midtier" theris lol

theri for survival when

[barren zephyr]

more options for apex herb than trike
not as patronizing if you lose an apex to it
more rewarding for midtiers that take one down...

I mean, Theri may be a mid tier despite how huge it is, but since it has a huge killing potential that's more akin to an apex's ...

yes stego looks like it could kill a rex

[paper oriole]

theri is a good glass cannon

[lament thorn]

stego better be killing rexes

otherwise its time to riot

[barren zephyr]

Look, of a stego stabs you lung, kidney or worst, you liver, even if you're a rex, you're gonan die

and those thagonizers could puncture though bones, as seen on allosaurus remains

oh ye

the allosaurus

[valid zephyr]

also no one can accuse stegos of being agressive herbis, as they have to slowly waddle up, turn around to face away, then kill you

[barren zephyr]

lol

[valid zephyr]

if you die to a stego it is 100% your fault

[grand brook]

droopy tail?

[oak shale]

I felt that

[lament thorn]

cough shant for survival wen

[oak shale]

Good bye allo balls

[lament thorn]

i was expecting my statement to cause a war

[barren zephyr]

Theri for survival when

[oak shale]

Shant isn’t that bad

[barren zephyr]

let me assride apexes

[oak shale]

just make it balanced

[paper oriole]

give theri 20 bleed on top of its current attack then throw it in survival 👌

[lament thorn]

I think shant is balanced when not in the hands of your typical player

but thats the problem XD

[oak shale]

big bulky boi that can smack rexes, but give it athsma

so it can’t actually chase them

[lament thorn]

if it cant chase them it cant run from them

[grand brook]

better yet, give it a bipedal run but slow as hell

[oak shale]

Why should a shant of lul things

[barren zephyr]

give it shit stam

[oak shale]

run

[lament thorn]

so kinda screwing lone players that get jumped by packs

[paper oriole]

we already have herbi apex that cant run lol

[grand brook]

give it stam, but take away the speed and the quadrupedal run

[oak shale]

Exactly

[lament thorn]

you leave my quad run alone

[oak shale]

but shat would be Uber powerful

[barren zephyr]

shat

[grand brook]

it's dumb, it would break it's arms

[oak shale]

Give it super bleed resistance

[lament thorn]

so more stam for fighting but less speed so it is a defensive walking tank?

[grand brook]

correct

[oak shale]

Yes

[lament thorn]

you leave realism out of this Zorrenzo

he looks like a cute pupper when he runs

[grand brook]

it's physics

[lament thorn]

shush

[grand brook]

those puny arms will break

[lament thorn]

shhhhhhhhhhh

tis fine

[barren zephyr]

Dinosaur that can copy other dinos sounds when

[paper oriole]

wasnt one of the strains gonna do that

or was that just speculation

[lament thorn]

think it was planned but now we dont know if its still gonna happen

[paper oriole]

ptera or quetz mocking calls like a raven would be funny shit tho

[lament thorn]

honestly that would be pretty cool

I think it would be best being a ability of a weaker creature rather then something that could just lure in anything then have its way with them

so it could be used as more of a defensive thing or even a way to try and scare smaller carnis away to steal their meals

[paper oriole]

imagine hearing a rex 3 call and being like oh shit

but its just a quetz trolling you

[barren zephyr]

imo it should be a smaller weak dino

what about monolopho?

[paper oriole]

i mean hes in the database

but idk why hed do that

seems kinda random

[lament thorn]

ptera just makes the calls of dinos that arent in game

everyone shall panic

[barren zephyr]

same

[formal vine]

Well tissos could do that stuff

Oh

nvm

Maybe sinornithosaurus because its weird and scary and in terms of the isle weird and scary means it can do creepy stuff

Sinornitho never could've mimicked any dino's call but

Y'know its the isle

[barren zephyr]

guanlong?

[formal vine]

Guanlong? Nah Guanlong looks too much like dilo

Its basically a tyrannosaurid

[still temple]

Sinornitho is basically velo tho

Taco is gonna be the smallest, anything smaller isn’t rly worth adding

[barren zephyr]

i always think of a small crested dino

sounds cool

[prisma lily]

make it like scp 939, if they kill a human dude they imitate what his last “broadcast” was. it’d be neato if mercs also have 1234 “calls” like a dilo imitating the “hello?” in a dude’s voice in a dark powerless structure at night.

[still temple]

Just give the ability to Herrera

[formal vine]

^

[prisma lily]

herrera does already have a rumbly neato voice

[still temple]

And scps are big gay

[prisma lily]

big gay spooky stories for the big gay me yes, but that’s offtopic

[still temple]

Herrera lyrebird wen

[prisma lily]

some dino getting a voice imitation perk would be fun for the confusion factor alone

[barren zephyr]

just give it to a new small dino

[oak shale]

Oml

that dryo

It makes the whole thing scarier

the look of terror on its face

I love it

[paper oriole]

yo that'd be some juicy shit hell yea

i'd hope the strain making that call would be emaciated and sickly as fuck looking like the annihilation bear too

[barren zephyr]

damn i really want that tisso giga

[indigo sun]

I love that suggestion I'd be fuckin terrified at night if that existed

[paper oriole]

what if it went to tisso dilo as the ultimate night horror hunter :>

[oak shale]

[oblique sluice]

@night mountain I love the idea, but i really see the mimic thing for a dilo strain

[brittle bough]

utah orange justice is definitely what we need above all else

[still temple]

"Troll suggestions will result in the poster kicked from the discord."

[oak shale]

Hmm

[brittle bough]

eh, too silly and immersion-breaking to be an official thing imo

[grave karma]

make it a free mod

[brittle bough]

or perhaps consider if you dont want to lose an apex's worth of time... either dont play apexes, or git gud at apexes, or play on sandbox

apexes should be hard to grow and painful to lose, thats kind of the point

[still temple]

If you can't deal with the risks and rewards with being an apex, you probably shouldn't be playing one in the first place

[paper oriole]

Servers: are overpopulated with rexes

Sixkiller: "hey what if when our rex dies we can just come back as sub instead of regrowing"

Opposite of what we need lmao

[valid zephyr]

yep servers are crawling with apexes, and yet evidently not enough for some people

[edgy furnace]

@languid tundra

[languid tundra]

And...

[edgy furnace]

"add x dino"

you just did that

[languid tundra]

[edgy furnace]

"For everyone posting suggestions, from now on suggestions containing 'nerf/buff x, or please add X dino' are not permissive as they add nothing of value for the development team. Please propose a possible fix/weigh balance changes.

If you post please add this dino, explain why the animal should be added and what mechanics it could have to set it apart from animals already in-game to make it unique so we don't have clone dinosaurs all over. All constructive criticism is to be discussed in #general-feedback-discussion as this channel is not for feedback or discussion. Troll suggestions will result in the poster kicked from the discord."

dude read the thing i sent maybe

[languid tundra]

Just a sec

[brittle bough]

your suggestion is basically "add this sauropod, it was alive when rex was and would be cool to look at," which isnt substantial

[blazing charm]

That basically just sounds like Carmara or Brachi with some decorative scutes

[grave karma]

so like

worse sauropod

where would it even have armor

[copper epoch]

It wasn't mean for just rexes, it was all dinos, there is no risk reward either because the point of the game is to not die, only reward is not bleeding out, you can't honestly have enough time to throw away to consider 8 hours nothing. What are you to do when and if humans come out and you get a .50 caliber to the head and plop dead immediately? You want realism but the reality is when human are added people are going to want guns, you can't add a merc class without em and no human in their right mind would walk onto a dinosaur infested island with nothing but sticks and stones. there are no special skins to unlock for any dinosaur, there are not vanity items with this sort of game, you can't expect people to not want any sort of reward for wasting as many hours on this game as they do, its a great game, and with no campaign and story to finish the reward for playing so long should be having to spend less time growing any sort of dinosaur.

[languid tundra]

It's back

[grave karma]

i dont think any predator save for strains can reach its back, so why have armor there and have a weak tail whip?

[languid tundra]

It's still would have a stomp like the others

[grave karma]

still

[languid tundra]

Apex and strain fodder

[grave karma]

w-

why

[brittle bough]

strain fodder isnt.. a thing lol
everything is strain fodder

[languid tundra]

Not

[grave karma]

it'll be a worse cam

we already have a large and medium sauropod planned

to a degree

[languid tundra]

Depends if cama will be in survival

[brittle bough]

furthermore, a whole new dinosaur (which does cost money to add, mind you. they cant just spawn in a whole new model, it's textures, and it's rigging just like that.) should have a unique gameplay aspect of some kind, not just be a slightly downgraded other thing
like dilo vs utah; dilo bleeds and has great nv, utah will have utilities (jump/pounce)

[grave karma]

still

[brittle bough]

ah yes, they will scrap cama to make slightly worse cama

[languid tundra]

7k do are these thing made of gold?

[grave karma]

no

[languid tundra]

It costs 7k per creature iirc

[grave karma]

pretty sure the devs work on commission

[neat flicker]

7k is pretty cheap actually considering everything that has to go into it

[blazing charm]

@barren zephyr First of all, not sure why you used the WWD Pachyrhino and the one from Prehistoric Wildlife when an Isle Pachyrhino model technically exists.

While I am super glad this is more than just "add X dinosaur because I like it" it think it's missing more emphasis on what makes it unique, all you really offered was "it's cute and that should be enough". There's alot of missed oppertunity to delve into charging/ramming mechanics mixed with the possiblity of bonebreak, although that will all probably change with the recode so perhaps it's for the best to wait, I'unno.

[barren zephyr]

@blazing charm I get what you're saying, tho the its cute line was a tease, not too serious. Also, I didnt want to write an essay :p

[brittle bough]

smh dont you know by now that everyone, especially jaffad, takes every sentence as literally and black and white as possible

[random knoll]

For suggestions it’s all ways good to write an essay to explain yourself

[brittle bough]

because you said its cute, clearly that means thats the only thing its got going for it lul

[blazing charm]

Because it's a channel that is supposed to convince the development to at the very least consider adding something to the game, so leaning too much towards being "funny" is kinda setting yourself for failure imo. Plus people start taking it as an invitation for joke suggestions, it's like a snowball effect.

[barren zephyr]

My my... if you stop reading after 1 sentence its indeed doomed to fail :p

[blazing charm]

I never said that.

[brittle bough]

clearly when i go to read an article on something, i read the first sentence of the lighthearted introduction and hold the rest of the article's validity and seriousness to that one sentence and use it to nullify the rest of it

[still temple]

Using Prehistoric Wildlife

and how is pachyrhino one of the fastest ceratopsians

[blazing charm]

Said lighthearted sentence is labeled as "Why" which to me reads as "Why should we add this"

[barren zephyr]

It was fast for its size, and being a ceratopsian. I don't mean to say its one of the fastest ceratopsians 😃

[brittle bough]

and then beyond that first sentence they go into the actual why, which is a little bit of a shallow why, but its a why other than "bc it cute lol", and its unfair to nullify the entire suggestion with "all you said was its cute" instead of focusing on the actual points presented

[barren zephyr]

Just that ceratops were usually slow, and it being quite large meant it was faster than expected basically

[random knoll]

How much damage are we giving this thing if it can be outspend by most of its predators

[brittle bough]

on a more constructive note, im also having a bit of a hard time summarizing what niche youre going for with pachyrhino, is it meant to be sort of the theoretical maia equivalent for ceratopsians? (fast, big, low damage but bb, except its mentioned that its still outsped so it doesnt really keep that much)
basically a faster, less-bloody trike thats bigger and slower than dibble?

alternatively, a slightly faster front-bbing anky?

giving a specific intended niche for the dinosaur would probably make the idea more coherent and let one more easily wrap their head around what sort of gameplay youre going for

[still temple]

Source?

I dont think any reliable speed estimates for pachyrhinosaurus exist

[brittle bough]

well now theyve deleted it so i cant even reference their wording anymore lmao, but yeah a source on that pachyrhino speed thing would be nice

[still temple]

and 8 meter "Pachyrhino rex" is basically trike sized, so 🤷

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, I gave up XD

[random knoll]

Ok

[still temple]

okay, so u were pulling the Pachyrhino being fast thing out of ur ass

[brittle bough]

fast for a ceratopsian, which i assumed was just faster than not at all (trike) but slower than dibble lol

[barren zephyr]

exactly what Slate sais. Clearly the only person who can actually read 😃

But don't bother lol. its w/e

[random knoll]

Wtf

[still temple]

"fast for a ceratopsian", where's the source for the claim

[brittle bough]

i mean, real life doesnt factor super heavily into the isle. one could just bs a little bit for the sake of a middle-ground ceratopsian that isnt lightning mcqueen dibble or barely-moving trike

gameplay takes priority over "wheres the sauce this is unrealistic absolutely unplayable"

[still temple]

but based on their post, they were claiming that the actual pachyrhino was fast for a ceratopsian

rather than arguing for game balance

And being one of the largest ceratopsians, they definitely weren't fast

[brittle bough]

i mean, eh. since no source was given i just considered it more in terms of gameplay than the real life one. a la how in my suggestion for guardians i just said "guardians are this that and the other" more for the sake of elegance in writing than any claim of real life accuracy. just seems a touch nitpicky to start yelling for sauce, since other dinosaurs are inaccurate- like the undersized galli for example.

scale the pachyrhino between dibble and trike to afford it some more speed than trike but less than dibble and go from there, i figured.

[still temple]

then just say that, a mid ground between trike and dibble

rather than claim it was "fast for a ceratopsian"

[random knoll]

@barren zephyr so what were you thinking for the match ups

[barren zephyr]

Additionally, Pachyrhinosaurus were also fast for dinosaurs of their size, let alone, a ceratopsian."

They were fast for their bloody size, AND BEING CERATOPSIAN, who were usually slow

omg how hard is it

stop debating, when i dont even care anymore XD

[still temple]

"fast for their body size" not rly

how would someone know if hardly any reliable speed estimates for the genus exists

[brittle bough]

dont keep badgering people lol. how about a new discussion for pachyrhino instead of insistently homing in on morvven, who seems to have yielded.

[barren zephyr]

has nothing to do with yielding, I just have no energie, nor time, nor needs to argue over this with people who don't read. Nor am i willing to write an entire essay to clarify every point into detail. SO i'd appreciate keeping me out of this discussion from now on

[still temple]

[random knoll]

I’m literally asking you what you would want the match ups to be

[brittle bough]

and morvvens said several times that theyre done and dont want to discuss the suggestion that they deleted anymore, but you keep pushing and bothering them.

[still temple]

bold claims, just like ur claim about pachyrhino's speed

[brittle bough]

flaffy can you drop it already instead of going out of your way to egg on and bother people?

[still temple]

aight so alamosaurus. How would that benefit the game

[blazing charm]

it wouldn't

[still temple]

[brittle bough]

alamo was already blasted as "just a worse cama" earlier so eh

but consider discussing for pachyrhino:
-visually distinct (lack of horns)
-a little smaller than trike, but bigger than dibble, with their speed roughly middling between them as well.
-focus on charging/bb instead of goring/bleeding like the other ceratopsians
-perhaps a mechanic where one holds down left click to lower the head and releases it to swing the head up and strike and try to inflict damage and bb, with a greater chance of it working the longer it's held down. hard to detail without knowing how bb will work outside of being locational though

[still temple]

If u use lakustai, they could probably do some bleed?

[brittle bough]

hum, then maybe less bleed than trike/dibble do but still some bleed, keeping the focus on raw damage and bb

[still temple]

ye

[native nebula]

i've shot down the call duration variation idea before, it would be nightmarishly difficult to implement something like that, and if you decide to call at the wrong moment that's honestly on you.

[mellow maple]

I would want alamo

Because it's a titanosaur and and a contemporary of Tyrannosaurus kek

It would also be able to fill in the void of a titanosaur properly better than Brachi can.

It's more interesting than Brachi too

[raven solar]

Is there a way to play on MAC?

[indigo sun]

Wrong channel to ask, but the answer is no.

[jovial skiff]

Imagine how far my fingers must do a split to click it while playing oof

[raven solar]

Lol hahahaha sorry

It’s just that my gf bought a MAC and wants to know if she can, i mean if there is any way

What’s the channel for this type of questions tho

[indigo sun]

There's a way to download windows onto an apple computer but it's like, a really shit idea. And unless it's a nasa super computer I dont think she could play it.
Next time you can just ask in #401464048610312195 or #401470471750811669 or somethin

[raven solar]

She can play it on a worst computer but its a windows pc hahaha

[barren zephyr]

Parallels or bootcamp. P sure legit Windows licenses are required.

[brittle bough]

yeah thats more to do with being unable to interrupt a roar, the moment someone roars it isnt "aw jeez thats scurry" its "ah yes whoever is screaming is now 100% vulnerable for several seconds, i am free to clap"

[indigo sun]

Wrong channel, we dont know

[sterile panther]

my bad.

[indigo sun]

There's no known plans to move to console but the devs might have just not said anything about it yet

[sterile panther]

it would be cool tho if the game expanded to console 😃

me and 6 of my friends have been wantin to ask and i was the brave one to join the discord lol.

[grave karma]

there was a suggestion a while ago that suggested to be able to stop the roar, but i dont know how it would be implemented if at all

[brittle bough]

the isle does have controller support so its possible, but if its considering going to consoles that would be faaaar in the future, id reckon. the game's still early access on pc, it's at least gotta be finished first lol

[sterile panther]

aw

like i said, it would be cool tho. instead of me being addicted to playing ark and having a server for realism and spawning in a dino for someone for the realism i wouldnt have to do that anymore xD

cause its already in a game everyone has been waiting for on console : )

[south flower]

I just figured that programing the roar to last only as long as you hold the key would be more practical. If you want to be more intimidating, you could hold the 3 key longer for a more dramatic effect, or hold 1 call to perhaps have a longer and louder broadcast, but it wouldn't be an infinite mechanic. Like, you can't hold 1 call and just endlessly roar.

[wintry cipher]

@raven solar thats not a game-maker's problem as much as it is Apple's problem. they don't make their products for gaming.

heck, Macs cant play Overwatch or many popular games.

[brittle bough]

maybe something they could tackle way, waay later, if ever. again, finish the game on one platform before starting to try to port it over to another one pls, lol

[neat flicker]

Mac isn’t a gaming computer and the isle is a demanding game. You’ll never be able to play Mac unless you want the trees to be a rectangle with smaller rectangles and the dinos looking super boxy

[brittle bough]

the isle, minecraft edition. it'd be massively popular

[teal grotto]

I got a nifty buff idea for trikes

As long as the trike is facing its head towards its attacker the trike has reduced damage taken when ever its being bitten in the face.

[brittle bough]

with locational damage id imagine that'd be fairly easy to implement, and could be interesting since id imagine on non-ceratopsians the head would be a weaker-but-riskier point (since the head is usually the attacking apparatus in some way, but also contains a lot of important things that are easily damaged) so further discourages facetanking ceratopsians

im down for that rodeo

[paper oriole]

trike should have collision damage on its horns too for the tard rexes that run at its face to attack

[paper oriole]

yeah make it unable to bite so it is basically forced to commit suicide lol

[dim ginkgo]

Trikes dont need to be more op

[paper oriole]

trikes and op dont even belong in the same sentence lmao

[barren zephyr]

rex? maybe?

[violet magnet]

how to tell if someone died to a herbi:
"ermahgerd trikes are op"

[paper oriole]

"a trike killed my utah while i was hunting it NERF TRIKE!!!1!"

[teal grotto]

I say the face damage reduction by 50% would be a good fit for it in my opinion maybe we could have the dibble have this ability as well? Instead of it being 50 but only being 25%? What say everyone else?

[lilac swallow]

How can trike be op if It cant catch you?

[teal grotto]

Its not op its op to those rexes that can't kill things properly lol

[lilac swallow]

Even dumb rexes may kill a trike

[teal grotto]

Mhm so like the face tank shield idea?

[lilac swallow]

Yeah

I dont think is fair to be the slowest Dino in game without being the absulute best at face tank

[valid zephyr]

rexes and gigas have a compulsion to charge everything they see. even if it's slower and stronger

that is why they claim they can't flee from trikes. because their compulsion won't allow it

[teal grotto]

So just like that trike can handle Rex and gigas who are retarded

And people got that damage nerf as a trike they long desired as an ability :)

Wont stop bleeders though but least its stopping raw damage

[lilac swallow]

I allways say that defending should be easier than attacking

And that the slower the stronger

[valid zephyr]

trike honestly should out facetank rex and giga

[teal grotto]

Rex: 1200 becomes 600 to a frontal trike

[valid zephyr]

it's much slower

[lilac swallow]

Maybe locational will do exactly that

[teal grotto]

Mhmm

You got it

Locational will fix alot of problems as I said it would

[lilac swallow]

And collision

No more running though

Throught

What?

Isnt giga trot faster than cama run

[teal grotto]

So it would require a sub adult Rex and an adult Rex to able to take down a single trike one distracts it the other bites its juicy sides

[lilac swallow]

Or a good ambush of a solo adult

[teal grotto]

Exactly

[lilac swallow]

And cama maybe too

[teal grotto]

Cama is just broken like spoon is

Only way to take it down is a Rex to bone break it and a giga to bleed it out

[lilac swallow]

I know

I meant a balanced future camara

[teal grotto]

I get ya legendary

So that said.. Locational damage fixes a ton of issues so you don't have to nerf any dinosaurs

Its a nerf but not a base nerf... Its a nerf to brain dead fuckers

That is why people like playing as giga as its a skill apex.. But its still broken in its own little way but with location damage that is no longer the case.

Say biting tail tips deals minimal damage and minimal bleed and no bone break chances example.

That would also fix alot of the issues as a general whole

Fighting apexes would not be as bad anymore

[lilac swallow]

I Hope fighting becomes actual fighting

[teal grotto]

That's the whole point of Locational damage

Say legs and main belly and chest body will receive full damage example, but tail will reduce damage by say 95 to 90% this includes bleed reductions of 75%.

While the neck would be double damage and double bleed chances

Head area being another perk depending on which dinosaur it is like trike and dibble

So apexes will wait till a target is not looking then charge in to bite and tear open that neck instead of just aiming for any part

[lilac swallow]

I would say pachy could have a resistant head too

[teal grotto]

Rexes would aim for the legs to in order to land leg break

Exactly

So you will fix absolutely everything without the need to nerf a dinosaurs main stats

Combat would be alot more enjoyable

[barren zephyr]

I'm fine with making v3 darker if they fix NV. Atm night is boring because you can't see well enough to hunt or migrate so everyone just afk's and waits for day. This is not good gameplay.

Dilo is the only dinosaur currently that makes night playable, but even dilo is boring because it is not fun to hunt afk players.

[wintry cipher]

Full dark nights on thenyaw do not work. That sort would be better used indoors without light. The old r2 nights with deep shadows were great because you could interact, hide in the dark, and see things in the moonlight. Right now you can't even hunt purposefully or position yourself on thenyaw. Hence afk or logging.

[grand brook]

i agree that herbivores need reduced growth times in general

[vestal rune]

except we need full dark nights so people don't gamma abuse?

also do they need reduced growth times though?

alot of herbivores can become quite powerful

[inner valley]

@blazing saddle I mean, it's pretty much free food spawning for you to kill it, if you'd rather starve than hunt it, that's on you

[grave karma]

i think i could only see size variation in a mod

[stray cloak]

Am ava can often take you to adulthood if you kill it. Also, spacing out your bites with a second delay well make more of them land. There appears to be some sort of iframe after each bite

I've played at least the juvie version of every survival carnivore, and all of them are able to take down an ava

[grave karma]

if gigantism is a thing, i dont think it should change stats at all

[stray cloak]

Maybe just have pygmy and only for Rex/giga/trike/etc. Big things

It's something that usually thrives in nature when food becomes more scarce

[neat flicker]

In order for a mosa to be implemented, it would need an entire world underwater, the ocean would need to be it's own map otherwise you're looking at people being underwater and on the land as well. That would need an increase of player slots, an increase of rendering and an increase on the requirements to play as well

You're just gonna chase other mosa's.. You're not gonna see much action except for the dinos that try to cross the land bridge and if players know that mosas are there, they won't be using the land bridge, they'll go around the long way

You can't drink salt water so it would be invalid to have a mosa

Or any dino that's restricted to being in the water only

[blazing saddle]

@inner valley I mean it takes way too many bites to kill an ava s a Juvi.

I also just watched a tournament where there were 15 utahs against a para and 2 diablos and all 15 died. Utah should have more bleed or more dmg imo.

[jovial moss]

their mistake was that they fought against a diablo at all lol

[inner valley]

I've killed tons of avas as a juvi utah and several other juvis when i need to, it's not that big a deal, you pretty much just need to bite it a few times and then chase it around and let it bleed out

also tbh the utahs probably died because they all bit eachother by accident

[grave karma]

dibble and para can 2 shot utahs, and dibble bleeds them out after they're hit

[jovial moss]

I'm pretty sure if the diablo is good enough iit could solo 15 utahs

[grave karma]

maybe

[jovial moss]

considering the usual utah player's skill level

[grave karma]

if they're utahs with brains probably

[paper oriole]

Utah doesnt need a buff lmao its getting pounce anyway

[brittle bough]

yeah utah is just crippled rn, its best gauged after it gets its pounce lol

[grave karma]

what

true

which one

oh

[jovial moss]

I'd play a mushroom monstrosity

[paper oriole]

they can't fix the hitboxes until the recode, they are going to do it

also turning off friendly fire? lmao

[still temple]

@valid flower y tho

[valid flower]

Looks ugly as shit

and everyone underestimates it

[oblique sluice]

Looks like a cerato, it isn't a torvosaurus

[polar juniper]

cerato is a manlet

[sick crescent]

@subtle adder that seems a little bit easy for a game with a “hardcore” tag.

[subtle adder]

Maybe you can see very well with the heat vision?

Can't*

[barren zephyr]

heatvision is shooting lasers from your eyes superman style

[subtle adder]

no duh

that's what I meant

[stray cloak]

The problem with thermal vision is it negates all cover in a game that's very much about hiding

I like the idea of sensing ripples if you're an aquatic and actively in the water

[cyan beacon]

I wonder how that would work? Sensing ripples

like what visual or audio cues could cut it.

[barren zephyr]

Ripple

[brittle bough]

yeah thermal vision is too op for anything but hypers, sensing stuff moving in the water (especially if it can be sensed from fairly far away, maybe beyond nv range) id reckon is fine though, adds something else cool to the wet bois
im not sure how it could be visually represented, but maybe wet bois could just hear ripples really clearly or loudly, as opposed to other dinosaurs, for whom its normal/quiet

[lament thorn]

I might be crazy but wasnt magna utah gonna have something like that?

[sacred wyvern]

ye it was

[valid zephyr]

@sacred wyvern boi? you mean the 4 herbis on the map would starve?

[sacred wyvern]

yes 😛

mabye ai spawn could also be reduced 0w0

[brittle bough]

ah yes, force the herbis to starve away and the carnivores to hunt the few remaining herbis or each other
because carnivores primarily hunting carnivores due to a lack of herbivores is definitely something we havent seen a lot of and is a very appealing proposition given what everyones been experiencing for the last fistful of months

perhaps an idea like that would be welcome ifever we get to the point where herbivores regularly outnumber carnivores, which is too far ahead to think much about since we dont know how the rework and affinity will affect things, so it probably wont be too popular rn

[sacred wyvern]

yea but

its not as if the rexes are gonna stay alive for long

[random knoll]

I mean or everyone just logs

[paper oriole]

Ive wanted a fat system but not like that lol

Fat system for afk growers where they get health problems from spending so much time doing nothing but eat and sit in a bush

[grave karma]

slower, worse turn radius, weaker bite force, not as much stam

[fathom harness]

I just hate seeing dinos sitting and healing bleed that would kill them if they stand die from hunger drain, since it goes straight from hunger pool to taking health damage and doesn't make as much sense.

That and all the other reasons I listed in the post.

And the fact that it sort of would make sense, and could be used as another way to make carnivores that aren't apex seem more viable or enticing to players.

[paper oriole]

We should be able ti eat while sitting to solve the bleed starve problem

[fathom harness]

Eat while sitting?

But what about if food isn't next to you?

Like if a Giga bites a Diablo but gets wrecked by something else, and the Diablo (being a diablo, since they have such high hunger drain) would die from hunger before healing their bleed enough to stand. And they can only take 1 more tic of damage so once their hunger runs out, they die.

[paper oriole]

Well if you finish a fight and have to sit because your 30 bleed and are also starving while theres a fat juicy fresh kill in front of you, thats the situation im talking about at least

[fathom harness]

I'm thinking about herbivores more, and cases where carnivores don't kill what they are hunting but it escapes.

Etc.

[paper oriole]

True, maybe it could be a good idea

[fathom harness]

And then there is starving in the rain while it is night as a herbivore, you basically have to find a bush during the day and sit next to it all night as dinos like Diablo or Juvies.

[paper oriole]

In some cases yea, still want the fat afker debuff to be a thing too though

[fathom harness]

I like the scent lingering idea for discouraging AFKing for too long.

[indigo sun]

Perhaps fat could be detrimental for carnivores but could be positive for herbivores

[paper oriole]

Yea

[fathom harness]

True!

[paper oriole]

Carnis could have eat sit, herbis could have fat store

And fat cowards who spend their juvie and sub stage under a bush can have asthma and arthritis 👌

[fathom harness]

^

[indigo sun]

It's not really common for carnivores to bulk up and herbivores more often have fat reserves to keep them alive. Herbivores could store up extra fat to make their food decrease slower in case they are migrating and don't have as much food around them, it could also be used to their detriment if they overeat but don't move. Carnivores could be punished by not moving enough while growing and overeating by becoming slower or having less stamina because they aren't on the move as much and didn't build up their muscles and stamina

[grave karma]

@indigo sun actually put that in #general-feedback

[fathom harness]

Sounds good! I like that! @indigo sun

[indigo sun]

I'll do that

[fathom harness]

Feel free to tag it to my Fat Storage suggestion if you want. @indigo sun

[tender latch]

By the way, I just thought I'd mention that the enemy mushrooms I mentioned would be enemy AI if they were to be in the game.

[fathom harness]

Honestly, I would love if mushrooms were added even as an aesthetic piece with the patches of flowers, clumps of moss, lichen, etc.

[tender latch]

But I meant... well, just read my latest suggestion.

[fathom harness]

I read it. I thought it was rather good actually.

[tender latch]

Sweet.

[finite perch]

I really like the fat storage idea, especially with the carnivore addendum! they should be hunting other players, not sitting around like the worlds biggest butterball. boring for all involved.

however, if grazing is implemented and food becomes scarcer, this becomes a very valuable asset for migrations indeed. there may be large areas (rocky areas, sandy areas, water) where a store of fat is needed to cross. very good suggestion imo, it gives the devs more options in coralling players around

[brittle bough]

@valid flower wym by updates lol, weve had plenty of streams, we just got one, unless you mean updates as in changes to the current game

[valid flower]

Yes thats what I mean

[brittle bough]

yeah no

[indigo sun]

so you want updates that physically cannot happen while they recode the game?

[brittle bough]

the reason theres no updates to the current game, is because they are recoding the whole game. they cannot update the current game as it is due to the mashed spaghetti code. thats why we are waiting for the recode, because after the recode they can start updating the game again.

if they were to update the current game, not only is that effort taken away from the recode, but theyre likely to break several other things, again due to the mashed spaghetti code.

@barren zephyr mind elaborating on this suggestion of yours?

[indigo sun]

I love getting called a retard. Anyway yeah, I don't know what you'd want from the updates, because I can't imagine what they'd even be able to give us while they're recoding

[brittle bough]

all i can see are maybe little fixes? like, the dont-stop-drinking-when-full-of-water thing. which.. eh, its tolerable enough, weve dealt with it for this long.

[indigo sun]

seems like a waste of time to me, and any mini update would have people screaming for the actual recode. Then they'd be upset they have to wait still for actual content

[brittle bough]

aye, rather let the hype sizzle until it's time for the good shit. and again, any time spent fiddling with the spaghetti code is time taken away from the good shit

dont stop typing, moe, i want to know more about this suggestion

[indigo sun]

I really wanna know what you've got to say

[brittle bough]

you posted it in the suggestions channel, so clearly its a suggestion. im intrigued by how you think itll benefit the game. please, continue

[viral creek]

Updating a game in the middle of a complete recode is the real way to kill a game.

[mighty girder]

@valid flower Games no where near dead bud

[subtle adder]

Also, I meant the thermal vision for the aquatic

[valid flower]

@mighty girder I have 9 of my friends that stopped playing the isle

due to the lack of updates

[brittle bough]

do your friends know about the recode lol.

[mighty girder]

Ok cool, your friends are impatient and have 0 idea what recode means. 9 Players quitting out of a thousand means nothing

[brittle bough]

i literally just explained how they can not update the game

[indigo sun]

so what do your friends want? and not playing the game while it doesnt update doesnt mean the game is dying. it's called taking a break, and I know a lot of people doing it

[valid flower]

I'm pretty sure a lot of people r taking a break until the recode it done

by a lot i mean hundreds

is*

[umbral prairie]

a lot of people don't play actively right now because the game isn't finished and has stayedthe same over months. That doesn't make the game a dying game though since these players still follow development and will return after the next update

they are not leaving the game

[viral creek]

There's nothing wrong with taking a break

But don't make a suggestion supporting something that could fuck up the recode

[brittle bough]

i did post a sleep mechanic suggestion a while back (if you search "sleep but not annoying" it should come up,) it seemed fairly well-received

so ye sleeping is noice pls do that thing in some way as long as it doesnt do debuffs

[pale kite]

@magic surge yeah, i think it should be a challange to catch fish but semi aquatics could live off it or dive down and attack swimming players(includes deino

[magic surge]

I also think that Spinos, Suchos, and whatever else aquatics they add should be much faster in water than on land, as they are built more for water

Like turtles and (obviously) crocodilians

[thorny idol]

How would people feel about mammals if they were being added to the game? Personally I would love to play as a mammal in an ice age styled map

[magic surge]

I think it ghouls be cool, but a separate thing from the dinos, you can’t really play them both on the same map

[indigo sun]

i feel like that's best suited to mods or perhaps a different game altogether about those kinds of animals. Mammals beyond humans don't seem to fit in a survival horror game with strains and other horrifying things

[brittle bough]

@light goblet not sure what the official word is, but on the unofficial server i play, the mods claim that pushing the cap to 200 makes ai start spawning under the map, so thats why they dont tend to do that, i reckon. the recode should fix lag/desync/ai, so thatll probably bring with it higher player caps

[craggy walrus]

@wanton root it already does. Ive seen it on a stream ;—Dd it was epic

[delicate wing]

I love watching the ai spawn in and just fall forever, so funny

[light goblet]

@brittle bough ah thats cool to hear thanks

[solid valley]

Official servers are over run by Rex:( ... please lower the brake bone chanse to 5% and add 1% to the trike..

[paper oriole]

that isnt the problem

the problem is how easy it is to afk grow a rex, bb is getting reworked anyway

[solid valley]

is it? cool ..still that make rex easy prey for giga 1 on 1... they need to keep it on but lower chanse

[paper oriole]

yeah rexes will no longer break your leg by biting your tail tip after the rework

[solid valley]

so bb is still on just have to hit direct?

[paper oriole]

they will have to bite your leg to be able to break it, and i heard bone break will also be getting reworked so you may have to take multiple hits for a full broken leg (depending on situation i'd assume)

i highly doubt we'll see any bb changes until that rework, and honestly rex is pretty useless without bb

well, not really useless but not optimal

[solid valley]

yeh bb need to be on.. and i was told hitbox code was just made in a way they can not fix it

[paper oriole]

yeah the code is terrible right now, they are fixing it so they can patch all the problems we currently have in combat

[solid valley]

easier to just lower the % to 5 instead of now 75% chanse

[paper oriole]

like facetanking a trike, breaking a leg by biting a tail, and assriding

[solid valley]

yeh

[paper oriole]

yeah it would be nice, it'd also be nice is rex wasn't the only one with bb while we wait for rework as anky has all right to have it too
we'll just have to wait for the good stuff though

[solid valley]

if they fix hitbox to focus on dino body part.. that should improve stuff a lot.. but they need to remake hitbox totally

[paper oriole]

there will be locational hitboxes in combat

[solid valley]

trike stomp should have bb chanse

make only sense

[paper oriole]

trikes should be deadly as fuck from the front, and yeh it should have bb

predators should be forced to be more coordinated in hunting something with impaling spikes on its face and armour protecting its neck from the front

and hopefully with recode, that will be the case

[solid valley]

right now most web sites say old sub trike do 1300+ stomp while adult do 800 or something... ? is the high number on sub because the weight is not so high ?

[paper oriole]

maybe, a lot of full sub/juvie stages have similar issue

[solid valley]

guess that is1 way to fix it. to raise the base dmg.. so weight diffrence not ruin it

[paper oriole]

weight apparently wont be a factor in combat in the future either, or so i heard

not sure what'll be in place to replace it though

[solid valley]

people getting very well annoyed there is no updates..for like forever.. its like dev abandon game.. but i guess they work hard on remake the hitbox

[paper oriole]

yeah the code they got stuck with is very bad and it is hard to improve the game with it, they aren't taking months to rework it for fun

theyre doing it becuse they have to in order to progress the game

[barren zephyr]

they are working hard on the recode rn

[solid valley]

😃

[paper oriole]

once that recode is done they will have much more freedom to continue their work on mechanics

[wanton root]

@craggy walrus oh I did not know that. It must of looked awesome!

[solid valley]

just hope they realize this time they use with nothing happening risk em loose much of the base core players

everyone seen the big drop in players on official server

[paper oriole]

eh, most will be back

[solid valley]

its up again now at summer time littlebit.. but they can only fill 1 of the 3 servers

[paper oriole]

and once the game can progress at a steadier rate again it'll bring more new people in

[solid valley]

many play private servers that handle 250 people..something admin tell that dev say its very hard to maintain.. why private server can handle it?

also .. private server make money on give people for real cash succo ect and other dinos... think game developers should also earn steady money this way

but i bet those servers are run by developers:) ?

[paper oriole]

p2w isnt a good model

[solid valley]

pey for a hypo kinda thing

[paper oriole]

private servers often do it to pay for the server upkeep

[solid valley]

true

but agree pay to win is not a good thing.. would ruin game

could be fixed with max 2 hypos on at any given time.. also could put limits on rex trikes ect.. atm official server have 90% rex

in 10 min my trike killed 7 older juv rex.. silly

overrun by em

[paper oriole]

my hope on the rex population is the affinity system and hopeful ai rework

[solid valley]

i use to make maia or dibble to try keep rex number down before they get adult lol

[paper oriole]

will root out the people taking advantage of its currently effortless grow

lol ive kicked a handful of rex juvies to death on my galli

[solid valley]

hehe yeh but galli use 4 hours to heal if bitten .. its not balanced at all

[paper oriole]

the devs know the servers are swarmed with rexes im sure they have solutions in mind

[solid valley]

i killed adult dilo with galli . he landed 1 bite.. i got max dmg sitting bleed.. took over 4 hour.. most sitting to heal it

[paper oriole]

galli and utah bleed heal is

[solid valley]

some details for em to work out on diffrent dinos

[paper oriole]

utah can jump onto high places to be safer for it, galli jump atm is useless since it got broken

[solid valley]

bleed stopped ok enough .but the healing itself took 4 hour

well utha jump should be better

then galli so its ok with me

[paper oriole]

galli adult currently has juvie jump

[solid valley]

ah yeh true

galli is fun to they get dmg

then its faster to kill it and make a new

you can grow a allo adult max on same time galli need to heal from max dmg

i timed it:)

[paper oriole]

oof, good for the noodles that they are expert dodgers but it's super punishing to take a hit
tho this convo is getting a little off topic for suggestions ehe

[solid valley]

so, hitbox fixes carno you can most easy see it not work at

carno hitbox is just silly

they have eta on hitbox fix in general?

[paper oriole]

yeah hitboxes are in for an overhaul

[solid valley]

also.. i notised few time.. when i attack.. my friends that stand 5 meter from me and 180degree to the side often get hit

killed maia last time this way i protected with my dibble

have it on video

he just dropped lol.. i hit after a dilo.. there maia die that was not even close to me

admin told that this was a known problem

certant angle and distance

back to my suggestion.. to hitboxes are fixed.. lower bonebrake chanse for rex to 5-10% and add 1-5% to trikes.. have a good day:)

[paper oriole]

oh yeah i forgot, they dont actually use hitboxes with their current canned spaghetti code

gonna be a blessing when that's fixed

[teal grotto]

@solid valley or when recode is done add hit boxes and other things like collision this way you don't need to nerf the bone break directly.. Example trikes face having 50% reduction to bone break, damage, and bleed.. And have the bone breaking hit boxes directly on the legs so if a Rex bites the tail no bone breaking effects happen and only causes minimal damage and bleed.

[next basin]

will the deinosuchus' tail move with terrain? i.e. bumps, walls, ect

[keen trail]

@formal vine maybe it looks like Jurassic Park because the pteras in JP looked like the fossils (besides size) and the pteras in game also look like the fossils? are the devs expected to completely change the ptera model just so it doesnt look like JP?

i may be wrong, but i think im right, i tried looking up how accurate it is before i sent that but couldnt find anything, so if im wrong and JP is inaccurate in another way, correct me pls 😃

[barren zephyr]

Because both are meant to be scientifically innacurate.

@keen trail

YEs.

Jurassic Park is completely innacurate

Pteranodon, means toothless wing

puts teeth anyways

and somehow carries a human

[keen trail]

pteranodon had a wingspan of like 23 feet

[barren zephyr]

Pteranodon was tiny

compared to us

[keen trail]

i think you meant pterodactyl? isnt that what their adding

[barren zephyr]

lol

No.

We are getting Pteranodon

Pterodactyl doesnt exist

Stop using that term to refer to pterosaurs

[keen trail]

i wasnt

[barren zephyr]

Anyways

This is a male specimen

[keen trail]

i had thought pterodactyl was that tiny flying one

[barren zephyr]

No

[keen trail]

yeah i was about to pull up a pic

[barren zephyr]

Well your childhood is ruined

It does not exist

[keen trail]

big oof

[barren zephyr]

pterodactylus does.

[keen trail]

so they are adding the pteranodon, not a tiny little flying thing

[barren zephyr]

Pteranodon is quite small itself

so yes

[keen trail]

crap

my last suggestion was never there

[azure arch]

@keen trail Oh, like a baby rex is going to revenge kill a full grown ass trike

[keen trail]

I meant for sandbox server...

Bruh

[azure arch]

...

I'm talking about ISLE V3

Sandbox map is small aaf

Testing map, I mean

Also it doesn't matter if it's sandbox and you get revengekilled

just spawn in as an adult dino again

[keen trail]

Yeah but it’s annoying to be revenge killed

[still temple]

would be neat seeing other types of biomes, rather than 90% of the map being temperate woodland

[grave karma]

v3 is either woods, beach, lake, river, plains, and mountains

[elfin oyster]

@coarse turret Not all males in species are stronger, the T Rex female is historically bigger and stronger then the male, so your idea doesnt quite work. This is also common within most therapods to my knowledge

[frail prawn]

The whole idea of Deino being able to sink to the bottom to eat corpses is kinda unrealistic. Crocs would drown if they try eating anything underwater but since this is a game it wouldnt have to apply? It'd still look goofy.

[valid zephyr]

also forcing players who want to pick female to not be able to fight very well will annoy a lot of people

[elfin oyster]

But crocs can eat stuff underwater in real life...

[frail prawn]

I dont think they do, they dive under and then find a quiet place to eat their meal away from other crocs

They dont eat under water.

They would drown

That flap in the back of their throat keeps them from drowning.

[elfin oyster]

When they eat stuff that is floating on the water, theres a lot of water that would get in there anyway, how do they deal with that then?

[frail prawn]

Grab the food and take it somewhere else

Or rip a junk off if thats possible.

[elfin oyster]

They dont. Look at any croc documentary and they eat it on the sueface. Swallow it all

Surface.

And that would mean a lot of water too, but they dont drown

[still temple]

@elfin oyster there is no evidence for female rexes being larger than males in general

[elfin oyster]

I got that from the BBC walking with dinosaurs.

(Not the shitty kids movie)

[still temple]

and WWD is decades old

[coarse turret]

@elfin oyster I get you point but when I grow to 100% as male I can't really do much, as females you can lay eggs and have cute babies

[indigo sun]

Regardless of any "perks" females would get in your suggestion Default, players would then go for male, causing just a slightly different imbalance in a male to female ratio. Majority of players will always choose the stronger option. The better thing to do would be to make males and females equally necessary in the game, especially with things like nesting.

[still temple]

the original is not a shit show by any means, but boy is it outdated

[elfin oyster]

Well obviously the male will be able to impregnate females in the future.

Well Flaffy, still nothing that says the males are LARGER within therapods right?

[indigo sun]

gods i just had a heart attack for a second with that sentence

[still temple]

For tyrannosaurus, no

[brittle bough]

they seem to rip chunks off underwater and bring their heads above water to eat the chunks, so eh? maybe something like that.
https://youtu.be/Ez6H_1-hPRA?t=65

[still temple]

we simply dont know if one gender is larger than the other

[grave karma]

is there anything that shows that females are larger either

[still temple]

Stats shouldnt change for different genders, for game balance reasons.

[frail prawn]

They cant eat underwater.

[brittle bough]

thats.. not what i said.

[elfin oyster]

Dont salt water crocs eat fish sometimes?

[frail prawn]

I know

I'm just stating something here lol

[still temple]

@grave karma no. No evidence for larger female rex

[grave karma]

thats your point

[brittle bough]

dont change stats for sexes, players will just pick the stronger one. thats where the conversation starts and ends lol

[frail prawn]

^

[elfin oyster]

Yeah, although males could get a buff if they get more females or something, and then we could have like male fights

[brittle bough]

people will always pick the stronger one regardless of its relation to breeding or colors

[south flower]

I know there are some creatures today where males build nests for females to impress them. Maybe something like that could be implemented for some creatures?

[frail prawn]

If anything males should be slightly bigger then the females but give no benefit over them if thats what players want.

[elfin oyster]

If theres proof of that specific species.

[brittle bough]

the devs already said no to size dimorphism, i think

[frail prawn]

Well thats that then.

[still temple]

Still waiting for physical dimorphism that doesnt affect stats,
ie females having smaller crests

[valid zephyr]

there are tons of people who will also pick female due to being female. gimping their stats will piss them off a lot

[elfin oyster]

Also a size difference would mean a damage and health difference, due to weight

[brittle bough]

weight wont factor into stats

[south flower]

Won’t it though when collusion comes?

[coarse turret]

ok my suggestion was bad sry:)

[still temple]

just keep both gender's stats the same. end of story

[elfin oyster]

I thought there is a weight multiplier

[south flower]

Collision* oof

[brittle bough]

i said wont, not doesnt. yes, weight currently factors into stats.

[elfin oyster]

Oh.

[brittle bough]

if they incorporate weight into collision though thatd be neat, other than that all i recall is it relating to hunger

[coarse turret]

what do you think if male have louder broadcasting to fight over a female

[elfin oyster]

Also my Deino on the bottom may not be historical then, but its some quality of life.

It would be really sucky if you lost your kill because it just went down

[south flower]

I’d just like males to have their own quirks such as females. Males are just there to look pretty, at the moment. There’s not much else to them.

[still temple]

in the future, both genders need to be present for nesting, so there's that

[south flower]

I’m eager for that update!

[elfin oyster]

Right now, its down with the matriarchy

[brittle bough]

referring back to the video, since they do lift their heads over the water to eat apparently, maybe deino could start to eat on the bottom then have to surface to finish? assuming they dont just make all bodies float anyway

[elfin oyster]

Im not sure a sauropod or a big ass rex would float

[lament spoke]

The gasses in the bodies is what makes them float

[elfin oyster]

Dont humans sink when we die though?

[south flower]

Depends

[lament spoke]

When the gasses dissipate

[south flower]

^

[umbral prairie]

and then we rot and there are new gasses and we float again

[lament spoke]

^

[south flower]

It just basically depends on the condition of the body.

[lament spoke]

For the sake of the game you could have say 15 minutes to eat/get the body out of the water or it sinks

[brittle bough]

most games just seem to say "just make it float out of convenience" pfft, id imagine thats the easiest version to code

[elfin oyster]

Not sure they would make the effort for such realism to make it stop floating after a while

[lament spoke]

Doesn't mean they wouldn't try

[brittle bough]

it could be possible for them to make it stop floating after x amount of time, i reckon

[south flower]

I would like a mechanic that even if the body is underwater, for bigger creatures there could be an extra option when standing above it to say “lock onto body” and be able to just drag it out from underwater.

[lament spoke]

Most likely yes

They will definitely be body dragging/carrying in the game

So you will most likely be able to drag bodies out of water

[elfin oyster]

Gone with those damn water loggers

[south flower]

Even those that are completely submerged?

[elfin oyster]

I would assume so, if they arent too deep

[lament spoke]

They may make all bodies float to avoid that

[south flower]

Because I know sometimes extra, uneaten bodies can add up to server lag sometimes, and it’d be a waste to have food underwater and have no way to pull it out.

[elfin oyster]

God knows I need less lag

[barren zephyr]

Bodies killed in water can float to shore maybe?

[lament spoke]

That's why I think they need that time limit. After that time the body sinks and despawns

Most likely

But give like 15 minutes and if not eaten or dragged out it will despawn by sinking

[south flower]

If it has to sink and we can’t get it, yeah it’d be best to make it despawn.

[lament spoke]

Yeah. 15 minutes is plenty of time to do something with the body

[barren zephyr]

^

thats smart

[lament spoke]

Should probably put something in suggestions about it huh

[brittle bough]

god, water mechanics in general are gonna be so nice, no more tiptoeing around 'no touching water ever especially if youre bleeding' rules

[elfin oyster]

Jesus christ

Slate you are a genius

You gave me an idea

[brittle bough]

wot

oo, that would also be neat

[lament spoke]

I do like that idea

[elfin oyster]

Its sort of uneccesary for like ponds, but for rivers it would be fantastic

[lament spoke]

Depends the size of the pond

[brittle bough]

yeah i was gonna say, we talkin cargo pond or titan lake lmao

[lament spoke]

Might be hard to see exactly what is on the other side of around a bend in the shore

Exactly titan

[elfin oyster]

I suppose.

[brittle bough]

depending on how water sniffing will work (but assuming itll be similar to how it is now, with lighting up the water), when water bois sniff it could have an area of it be red if something's bled in it, maybe also if theres gore or a body in it?

[elfin oyster]

Yaaas

[brittle bough]

which granted you can sniff gore itself anyway lol so that last bit may be pointless, especially if they fix it (so it isnt hidden behind hills at random times) and even moreso if they let you smell bodies, so eh
unless you can smell water further than bodies/gore in general, then having a bit of it be red would be helpful for finding farther food, i guess

@drowsy heron since youre new, heres some lore:
-the game is currently in a state of content drought, there has not been any updates to the game itself for months. this is because we are waiting for the recode, which rebuilds the foundation of the game. the recode is being done because the current game's code is an utter mess, even combining two coding languages. they can not edit or add to the game as it is without breaking several other things and making it more unstable than it is, and their effort is better spent working on the recode and what will come after it.
-a bundle of dinosaurs are getting reworked animations anyway, i dont recall if ceratopsians are included in that but there is hope for them.

[indigo sun]

I think any updates, animations or otherwise not related to the code, should really still wait for the recode to be over

[brittle bough]

aye, there will always be time to fix up animations after the crucial mechanics are fixed/added

[viral creek]

Any updates to the game pre-recode will break so much

[drowsy heron]

@brittle bough ah okay that makes sense

[brittle bough]

yee

[indigo sun]

Not to mention how many people would throw a hissy fit that it's not the actual recode

[brittle bough]

yeeah, months without updates then, finally, a patch:
"-trike doesnt need to shit anymore
-the IK on allo's stanky leg has been fixed"

people would lose their shit lmao

[drowsy heron]

ppl need to chill tf out lol

trike really needs to shit

[brittle bough]

in the isle, there is no chill, youll pick up on that quickly enough if you interact with people

[drowsy heron]

thats a big OOF

[brittle bough]

all you can do is join em in their toxicity or try to keep your head above it, but yeah. the recode was approximately scheduled to come out sometime in the summer, but one of the dev's houses flooded, which stalled it for at least a month. no one's got a proper ETA on it now, so all you can do is play the diablo instead, because dibble is love dibble is life dibble will chase you down with a knife. and it has slightly better animations imo lol

[drowsy heron]

it does, still needs to poopoo but if the recode is near he will be relieved soon lol

tbf these are the only two I've seen that need better animation so is pretty gucci

@brittle bough just thought of this but dibble looks like hes walking in wet shoes lol
should record video of the walk cycle and add wet slappy noises as his footsteps lol

[grave karma]

plap plap plap plap plap

[drowsy heron]

https://youtu.be/deSFL-a90bc

I petition for this to be the dibble theme

[brittle bough]

@dim ore for your first point.. alt turn?

[umbral prairie]

walking back might get introduced at some point, but for now there is alt turn

you don't have to walk off cliffs

[grave karma]

just play

[umbral prairie]

just stand still, hold alt and turn

[grave karma]

a server with alt turn

[dim ore]

most servers i play on alt turn is disabled. any server that has alt turn enabled is not a server i want to play on as it makes combat ridiculous.

[random knoll]

you mean fair

[umbral prairie]

so ridiculous, a single utah can't kill a rex

[random knoll]

a server wihtout alt turn make sutahs able to kill rexes

[mossy sapphire]

I havve killed everything as a utah bc of alt turn lol

[random knoll]

thats kinda the point

[umbral prairie]

current alt turn is far from perfect, but no alt turn is so much worse

[indigo sun]

so add a new thing that solves the problem that this other thing i dont like already solved

[random knoll]

alt turn stops people from killing eveyrhting

[brittle bough]

dapper, the official servers, which this discord is based on, have alt turn enabled.

[random knoll]

when they shouldnt

[umbral prairie]

balance is based on officials

[brittle bough]

alt turn also has a high chance of being forced-on in the future

[dim ore]

Slate, thats just one of the reasons i dont play on official servers, it doesn't enhance gameplay in my opinion

[umbral prairie]

so on an alt turn server with the official pack limits

[brittle bough]

then.. why are you in the official discord making suggestions lol

[random knoll]

@dim ore so you like utahs killing rxes?

you like a single utah killing a rex

not hostile

just the truth

[brittle bough]

im not being hostile, im asking him a legit question

[dim ore]

even with alt turn a single utah can kill a rex..what is your point? i play on servers where utahs need a full pack to even take on a rex. Rules are a wonderful thing.

[umbral prairie]

it's a pretty obvious question to ask if someone says they don't like alt turn

[indigo sun]

after a while of people completely ignoring a mechanic and suggesting a solution for something that's already been solved, it gets a little annoying

[random knoll]

if a itah kills a rex on a alt turn server that rex is stupid

and its natural selection

so you play on relasim?

[umbral prairie]

so, many rules is better than a mechanic 🤔

[brittle bough]

also, maybe you wouldnt fall off of cliffs if you didnt walk up to them in no-alt servers
when i first started playing it was on a no-alt server. i got too close to a ledge as a maia and fell to my death. i then learned.. to not get so close to the edge on something with a wide z turn, at least not without approaching it from an angle. lol

[dim ore]

semi realism, alt turn is not a solution when better combat mechanics are needed on the whole.

[brittle bough]

combat is getting reworked. what more do you want?

[random knoll]

what better mechanies?

[umbral prairie]

alt turn is not perfect, but right now it is necessary unless you want extra rules

[mossy sapphire]

Alt turn = stand still spin in circles, you win, no skill involed 😄

[random knoll]

so ass riding is skill?

man staying on someones ass the hardest thing in the game

[dim ore]

SLate, night time is so dark nowadays it happens regardless, please dont imply a lack of intelligence, the point is being able to back up is a nice option to have, plain and simple..

[umbral prairie]

with alt turn, you need way more skill if you attack something

[random knoll]

only a select few can do it

[umbral prairie]

than without alt turn

[brittle bough]

you can check where you're going with a map. just dont sprint in the direction of a cliff