Survival does not equal competition
#general-feedback-discussion
cyan flame
barren zephyr
Yeah I'm sitting in a bush right now near a water pond until I hear some ava cry, go eat it, come back, rinse and repeat
dreamy portal
man that kinda logic almost makes people wanna... group up with other canivores hmm.. ones that make up for their disadvantages...
almost like it's encouraging
mix packing of some kind.
really makes ya think
indigo sun
you shouldn't be able to fuckin sit by a river for your entire life and do nothing because ai spawns in your mouth
dreamy portal
🤔
cyan flame
Zorr, maybe you should, I do not agree, but it's not needed for the survival mechanic itself
brittle bough
the game is attempting for some amount of realism
id like you to show me some wild carnivorous animals irl who just have food supplied at all times to them
cyan flame
But then I treat survival as, actual survival, nothing more, nothing less
lunar sandal
on small maps i still only see about 5 player on full. unless i go to popluar places cause going to popluar spots is a death sentences
dreamy portal
in about 10 miles worth of forest
brittle bough
im not saying to remove ais, pal, ive been saying that the maps are fuckin empty lmao
lilac swallow
Ai isnt part of that fucking 100 cap
dreamy portal
it's not
brittle bough
im just regarding the point of "but im alive so its surviving lol"
brittle bough
..no??
barren zephyr
I know it probably won't be a popular idea but how about shrinking the map a bit?
brittle bough
i never said that??
grand brook
"Survival does not equal competition" JESUS CHRIST, of course the basis of survival IS competition, natural selection, predator prey relationships....
dreamy portal
SlateToday at 5:32 PM
the game is attempting for some amount of realism
id like you to show me some wild carnivorous animals irl who just have food supplied at all times to them
indigo sun
Please provide large carnivores that actually group up together to hunt. Please provide carnivores that don't have to work for their damn food. Please provide carnivores that can sit and do nothing and survive perfectly fine. Please provide carnivores that do not compete for food/water/territory. Please provide examples of any of this, and I might be on your side.
brittle bough
i just got done saying "yeah the map is mostly empty lmao," i just made a suggestion for the existence of AI. i obviously dont want no ai.
lunar sandal
except a a group of carnivores do move around on the map even the big maps
indigo sun
We're not saying remove AI. No one ever said this
indigo sun
how do you know that
dreamy portal
it lags everytime a velo spawns in
grand brook
me neither in fact if they made ai out of new animals it would be even more interesting
lunar sandal
i been in groups on big maps we moved around almost straved because of it too
dreamy portal
you really think it'll handle a constant supply of food animals at all times specifically located?
indigo sun
my computer doesnt lag from ai spawn since when ai was more broken and couldnt spawn properly
cyan flame
Zorr, no, you're entirely missing what survival ios
brittle bough
thats why in my suggestion i had the small cap of two herds in the whole map, which i imagined of just a handful of herbis each.
cyan flame
You do not need competition for that
brittle bough
can the server really not handle that? have i a poor grasp on how much a server can handle?
indigo sun
I'm sorry, I can't watch this stupidity anymore. Someone tag me when there's a new suggestion to discuss.
dreamy portal
the server lags every time a velo spawns in
lunar sandal
plus you have dead zones where ai will not spawn at all on certain parts of BOTH maps
brittle bough
okay, sure, by that definition, the current system is perfect. you can be alive. living simulator.
cyan flame
I think a lot of people tend to miss that, and thus have issues with the game :p
barren zephyr
I really think we should revisit the growth buff for eating player dinos, I think that would be a massive incentive for players to seek out players, without adding a strain on the server
brittle bough
sit by a river, eat an ava, and be alive. thrilling game, there.
grand brook
in nature, survival equals competition. This game is trying to a functional ecosystem, but you can't have that with ai spawning in front of you in any sort of way.
brittle bough
but other folks want to do a bit more, and be encouraged to do a bit more.
cyan flame
Well, I enjoy the very fact of "being alive", but hey, it's fine if you want more, I'm not opposed to that Slate, I'm not saying you have to be happy with the current game
lunar sandal
if you sit by a river your going to die by the apexs that like to partol the rivers
brittle bough
as a herbi, sitting on a bank with a bush is perfect survival. you may be content, but im bored out of my damn mind lmao.
dreamy portal
if you sit under trees avas will spawn around you
cyan flame
Zorr, no, in nature, survival equals staying alive, irrespective of if there is anyone competing with you or not :p
dreamy portal
and bigger carnivores will seek you out
cyan flame
In any case, you want some more action,I get that, that's fine
dreamy portal
as dinosaurs grow the need to feed grows too
grand brook
but it will also ruin hunts
brittle bough
erik are you just going to counter every gameplay suggestion with "but youre alive and its a survival game so its perfect as it is because it fulfills its function"
dreamy portal
he's arguing the fact of
verbal acorn
I’d like to entertain the idea of staying near full providing a modifier to growth. Then AI spawns could trigger when hunger is much lower, but insufficient to break the min hunger % to trigger the modifier
dreamy portal
You don't need VS to have survival
barren zephyr
I would agree, the fun that comes from surviving is overcoming the challenge that tries to stop your survival.
So if its too easy to survive, it's pointless.
brittle bough
but according to erik, because youre alive, thats the point.
as long as you are alive in this game about being alive, then all is well
dreamy portal
since playing this game i've been killed, stalked, hunted, and everything in between and the ai spawns make this game actually fuckin' playable as some of these dinosaurs.
lunar sandal
here the think though you have lone juives who then are going to need adults to surive if you change the ai
dreamy portal
as i said before Lil
lunar sandal
which is dangerous cause you don't know which adult will try to eat you
dreamy portal
it encourages mix packing.
barren zephyr
or accidental mix packing
cyan flame
Slate, not at all, it's not what I'm doing either ^^
grand brook
how does it encourage it?
cyan flame
I'm merely aruging that the idea of "action" is irrlevant
lunar sandal
because the juives need now an adult and that means any friendly adult
dreamy portal
if food is scarce animals will team up to overcome their weaknesses
cyan flame
And yes, being alive is the point Slate
cyan flame
There is no more point, that's what survival is
dreamy portal
thats what caused it in the past
grand brook
no, because if food is scarce they will eat each other
lunar sandal
no
cyan flame
Because survival is just that, the state of being alive
dreamy portal
not if they benefit from one another
cyan flame
Now if you want survival with lots of action, thats also fine
lunar sandal
some adults will eat juives yes
brittle bough
but generally wild carnivorous animals are subject to having to make some kind of effort to be alive. and this game is going for some kind of realistic form of survival.
lunar sandal
but not all of them some will be kind
barren zephyr
You're forgetting, people get a massive high from being a guardian/protector type, from putting a weakling over their own needs.
cyan flame
Now I've never said that the current "give me ai at 75% food" is good
Or even very difficult, you barely have to do anything to remain alive except find the ai and eat it
grand brook
they want to create an ecosystem that's the main reason why not all dinos are not going to end up in survival
cyan flame
I'm not opposed to ai herds, or anything like that
lunar sandal
we seen adults from other species be kind to animals not they own in both game and in real life
cyan flame
I'm mostly hoping that the entire map have stuff, so you can make your home somewhere
grand brook
ok then, so we can't expect any changes until the affinity system comes then
cyan flame
Since I like to be territorial and there are areas I think looks better than others ^^
dreamy portal
Mix packing has been lowered from about... 7 or 8 months ago
the ai helps with that
so long as their is enough food they don't HAVE to do it
grand brook
to avoid mixpacking on forceful way
cyan flame
But I'd be perfectly happy with actual ai herds/packs/ and you know, an actual ecosytem, not just hotspots and "empty" :p
lunar sandal
beside adult apexs/adults tend more travel more then sub adults and juvies
lunar sandal
yea i know
dreamy portal
it forces you to roam
cyan flame
My suggestion with lowering when ai spawns for food is to get somewhere along those lines, until we can have actual herds, without you know, crashing the system too much :p
grand brook
i could literally survive just by eating avas as a giga
lunar sandal
ai aren't good enough for one or two apexs you need a another player
dreamy portal
you can either grow and play the game
or grow and sit under a tree
hit max growth on a dinosaur and then what?
grand brook
but why not actually be forced to search
dreamy portal
actually play thats what
because it's a game for fun
and if i'm not having fun
whats the fuckin point
grand brook
neither am I having food delivered directly to my mouth
brittle bough
again, like i said, the fact is that this game is trying to go for some at least semi realistic form of survival. realistic as in emulating the way wild animals survive. so when you can just sit there and have ai walk into your mouth and never be forced nor encouraged to leave, that means theres something wrong. yes you are in fact alive, but the gameplay that the game is trying to encourage is failing.
in order to emulate wild animals, the game should encourage you to move and hunt, and hunting is action.
grand brook
lildino you can survive perfectly well as any carnivore with ai alone, that should NEVER be the case
brittle bough
thus, making action an integral part of the survival experience that the game is trying to encourage.
grand brook
^
lunar sandal
heres the thing in real life carnivores will set at water holes and wait for food kinda like how most play the game
lunar sandal
You guys are going for realism that is realism
brittle bough
thats fair, buuut then ai should spawn around water holes and not 3 feet away from you lol
grand brook
i'm not against seting territories
lunar sandal
animals unless their a food shortage won't travel cause it's too dangerous
dreamy portal
realism in a game that has a 100 player cap, a limited land mass, and lacking in enough of an ecosystem to actually flourish
with 6-8 hour growths
lunar sandal
that as will
dreamy portal
and time consuming otherwise necessities
brittle bough
okay, realism in a game that has dinosaurs. every single fact or criticism about realism is now null and not worth discussing.
lunar sandal
if you want more realism the player cap has to be higher
cyan flame
You know, I'm not opposed to your suggestion Slate, I'm actually in favour of it, my issue I think is just this ... "need" for action, as if being alive isn't good enough, which it should be, being survival. If you wanted constant hunting, there are hunting simulators and games for that. if you wanted constant fighting, there are action games for that :p
dreamy portal
then why are people complaining about ai spawns
grand brook
i mean it's you who chose a dinosaur that takes 6 hours to grow
brittle bough
when did i say "constant" hunting?
lunar sandal
your words
brittle bough
it obviously shouldnt be battle royale lol. but currently theres no reason to hunt ever unless the ai just randomly chooses not to spawn around you.
grand brook
i think a possible solution would that dinos don't starve as easily to compensate for less ai
lunar sandal
what you want for carnivore to constantly be hunting down herbivore
brittle bough
no?
grand brook
or other carnivores
dreamy portal
UTAHRAPTOR BATTLE ROYAL, FIXED LOCATIONS ON THE MAP DROP CRATES OF FOOD IN LIMITED QUANTITIES, ENCLOSING WORLD, KILL OR BE KILLED
barren zephyr
How about reducing your hunger drain for existing, but increase it for when you do actions, such as ambush sprints or biting.
lunar sandal
carnivores are constanly killing each other
brittle bough
im saying that when the carnivore gets hungry, which is not constant btw, they should have to move and look for a herbivore. not just sit and wait for an ai to spawn since their hunger is low.
cyan flame
That would be interesting Casual, make you consider if doing something would be worth it? :p
lunar sandal
some will pefer to kill other carnivores
grand brook
yeah and?
cyan flame
Well, they can sit in ambush though Slate, but yes, I do agree that having ai spawned as it is right now is pretty pointless
Also, it sort of ruins my ambush if the ava gives me away at 70% hunger..
dreamy portal
this discussions so fuckin' backwards lol never change suggestion discussion.
grand brook
then what do you have against what we are sugesting ?
brittle bough
what are we suggesting anyway
grand brook
to remove ai based on player hunger and base it on locations
lunar sandal
take away ai or lower ai spawn to make canivores hunt
cyan flame
But I'd rather have current ai, than no ai, what with size of maps, and the risk for hotspots otherwise. And if we can't have actual herds, because of reasons, then my suggestion would be to lower ai to only spawn at 10%, and make it give more instead, so that it becomes more of a "give me 20 more minutes of life" that I can use to either roam, or prep ambush and hope something comes by this time
dreamy portal
Triceratops doing the fuckin' floss dance on Broadcast calls for the memes as an April Fools day joke!
brittle bough
no one wanted no ai so thats just irrelevant lmao
cyan flame
And I'm not opposed to your idea at all Slate, if anything, I'd be happy to see ai "all over" the map, so there's no empty areas
brittle bough
whoever said no ai is immediately incorrect because juvies will just immediately die unless they trip over another juvi or can scavenge something pff
cyan flame
Well, hotspots would work, except less favourable cause juvies and young anything suck xD
brittle bough
..what if bigger gores spawned randomly so they could be scavenged by choldren?
well not Bigger but, gores in general lol
cyan flame
Would be interesting, but it'd have to go for any size critter, I'd rather not starve cause nothing is around
And that has happened to me on adult rexes, it's not fun and it's not a matter of skill, since I can't help it if there's nothing to hunt :p
grand brook
that's the risk of being a carnivore though
brittle bough
make the ais medium-big herbis that can defend themselves that juvis cant deal with well, and force lone juvies to go for gores lol
cyan flame
Yeah, but I don't think starvation cause of lack of food should be a thing, since it's entirely dependant on people being present, rather than me being able to get them
dreamy portal
@brittle bough Add Achrocantho AI so it's a threat that can spawn, and be a meat source for Apexes
cyan flame
Well, lack of food cause no food at all, rather than lack of food cause of competition as it were xD
dreamy portal
you can camp under a tree but if it spawns in your area it has a chance to kill you
lunar sandal
plus you have place herbivores like to hang out which mean apexs groups or big groups will go too
tooo dangers for one juive or sub adult or sole adult
grand brook
"I don't think starvation cause of lack of food should be a thing" That is literally the definition of starvation
dreamy portal
he means of huntable food
lunar sandal
yea but this also a game and one where players are suppose to be around constally
dreamy portal
Logon when i get off work
23 people on the server
sigh
grand brook
so basically you want to be herbivores minus the risk of being hunted constantly
lunar sandal
plus when ai spawns it dosen't mean that you get it sometimes someone else get it
cyan flame
Zorr,what?
dreamy portal
every herbi i've seen has ran up and gone out of their way to punch carni's in the fuckin mouth
because they breathe
barren zephyr
What if we increased all dinosaur movement speed by like 10% or something?
The island would be more active
grand brook
that is another problem that needs to be fixed
barren zephyr
people would run into eachother more often I'd imagine
lunar sandal
herbivores aren't at risk when the group up their safe only lone herbivores are in dangers and those are rare
grand brook
i mean in the sense of difficulty to aquire food
cyan flame
And yeah, apologies, let me clarify. I don't think starvation cause of "No bushes spawns/No players/AI spawns" should be a thing. Fighting over food, draining it, missing a hunt, being driven off a carcass, thats fine
dreamy portal
they do more than that Lil
cyan flame
Starving because there literally is no food to eat, that's less fun
cyan flame
Does that help Zorr? :p
brittle bough
well affinity will discourage mixpacking wont it? so eh
grand brook
and herbivores attacking
brittle bough
i mean, post-affinity herbis can be aggro but theyll pay for it lol
grand brook
in the sense of hunting down carnivores 24/7
cyan flame
More like they might want to do other things? :p
grand brook
that surely will have negative effects
dreamy portal
it is a survival game zorre
didn't you want that?
to survive against unfair conditions?
cyan flame
Well, if they spend all their time doing x instead of a, b, and c that their dino wants.. I guess affinity will be shot to shit :p
dreamy portal
they're only defending their territory
you'll grow up and kill them later so it's fine right?
brittle bough
its a survival game thats trying to encourage natural behaviors/survival, hunting down carnivores isnt natural for herbis lol
dreamy portal
when you have humans playing them that will never be a thing
there are RP servers for that
cyan flame
After all, we're people minds in dino bodies
lunar sandal
but that is natural behaviors in real life herbivores will kill lone/juive carnivores
grand brook
that's exactly the reason they are making an affinity system
to force you to think like a dinosaur
dreamy portal
you will never outdo the human spirit
grand brook
perhaps, but it will be reduced
barren zephyr
I'm interested to see how humans play out
grand brook
one takes what it can get
brittle bough
yeah, thatll be interesting
dreamy portal
when humans are added
it'll be a whole new ballgame
of people crying about humans being unfair
barren zephyr
I imagine they'll be glass cannons who have to return to human buildings for food/water
dreamy portal
they will have ranged attacks
grand brook
i mean they will be weak as shit with no weapons
dreamy portal
die i guess
brittle bough
i would assume melee?
dreamy portal
lol they'll have weapons
barren zephyr
I thought they'd be ranged, but they'll die from one bite from even a juvie
grand brook
i suposse they will start with basic shit, then search for good loot
paper oriole
theyll have weapons but strong weapons wont be easy to obtain or carry from what i heard
dreamy portal
so yeah
before you know it somebodies gonna ak down a pack of trikes
and people will get salty
brittle bough
lol
grand brook
if the trikes don't squash them first
paper oriole
being a human should really emphasize on the horror aspect of the game
barren zephyr
Imagine mixpacking with humans and apex
brittle bough
yeah
paper oriole
it should be hard and require teamwork
dreamy portal
dinoriders
grand brook
no please
brittle bough
dino gameplay = survival
human gameplay = survival horror
paper oriole
i want to kick a human to death as a galli tbh thats my only thing to look forward to
barren zephyr
I want to defend the humans but then eventually be betrayed by them, but I forgive them for it is human nature
paper oriole
or eat humans
grand brook
given that a single kick from an ostrich can kill you and that galli is larger
you do the math on that one
paper oriole
lol imagine a galli just kicks them in the head, their head flies off and hits another human
dreamy portal
or something of the sort
brittle bough
lmao
cyan flame
I want a dino/tribal server only, and remake paraworld ^^
dreamy portal
and just shoot the shit out of dinosaurs
cyan flame
Because that would be interesting xD
dreamy portal
welcome to turok
paper oriole
hopefully humans will be optional for server owners
cyan flame
I think they will yes
grand brook
dilos will be like xenomorphs
barren zephyr
Guys, what about The Isle, but fused with minecraft, in space.
cyan flame
You could have a pure dino server if you'd like
barren zephyr
We'll call it Ark Survival Evolved
grand brook
yes they will, just like hypos, mutations...
cyan flame
Or maybe pure tribals, that would be fun ^^
dreamy portal
lol
paper oriole
suicide run into a human camp as a gali and see how many kicks you can get in before getting riddled with bullets, ideal gameplay
grand brook
maybe, if they give the tools and options
brittle bough
im just intrigued by whether the "beating dinosaurs into submission" thing will apply to players, and if so how lmao
grand brook
you can have dino exclusive servers, human exclusive servers...you name it
brittle bough
human exclusive seems like itd be missing the point a bit lmao
but itll probably be done
grand brook
just the option
not like i will play on them
hell maybe i'll just play in dino exclusive ones, after the novelty wears off
brittle bough
fair
cyan flame
It should apply to players Slate
grand brook
also the whole beating a dino into submission
grand brook
good luck with that
barren zephyr
Might be neat
cyan flame
So, yeah, you could resist, but then you'd probably be killed
brittle bough
so im gonna have an absolute lad run out of the woods and start clubbing me over the head until i yield lul
dreamy portal
Gimme dat flossing Trike my guy
grand brook
i'm just scared there's going to be some fetishistic kinky shit when the whole master dino thing comes out, you may laugh but people have a talent to ruin anything
brittle bough
has anything been said about how humans affect affinity, if they do at all? could be kind of interesting if domestication factored in- oh god
cyan flame
I think I heard that being enslaved ignores the affinity or something.. though no idea if thats still a thing
So you could "mixpack" while being enslaved, possibly
brittle bough
hm
barren zephyr
Tame me, daddy.
cyan flame
I suspect that might be changed though ,but we'll see :p
cyan flame
xD
I've no idea what sort of things you think will happen and I probably don't want to know either.. :p
dreamy portal
this channel makes me want to eat a cyanide pill
stray cloak
Part of the point of locational damage is to make tail biting less effective and encourage something other than circling each other till someone dies
Why should you make it reduce turn radius if you get bit
cyan flame
It would be interesting though, if bonebreak also had it's own locational damage with different effects
jovial blade
Broken arms= no claw swipe
Could be interesting but also broken mechanic
I think bb is strong enough as it is
stuck heath
Yeah I'm not sure about most of them but I'm sure utah has a bit when sprinting
deep bolt
Neat 33 upvotes on my suggestion and 34 haters 😂
barren zephyr
I have a suggestion how to balance giga and rex out.
My suggestion was, to Nerf rex to be the same speed as giga, but rex keeps it's 43 km/h ambush, to have the faster ambush of the 2.
Rex:
-Speed Nerf to be gigas speed(while running)
-Keeps 43 km/h ambush
Giga:
-Dmg Nerf to maybe 350-400
-alt turn Nerf to be slightly better than Rex's alt turn.
Therefor, the rex still has the speed of the ambush to kill mid tiers, but won't destroy gigas.
And with gigas Nerf, it won't kill mid-tiers so easily. And also isn't untouchable by packs of mid tiers
indigo sun
This is the wrong channel for a suggestion and at this point, talking about rex and giga balance is the dumbest discussion ever so if people could stop suggesting this, thatd be great
blazing charm
imagine talking about apex balance before their necessary mechanics are implemented
barren zephyr
imagine talking about current meta when the next update is changing how everything works
white torrent
Imagine being hungry but having no breakfast
lilac swallow
@proper ledge to talk about suggestions here, and the x4 power thing isnt unfair, they only grow x2 longer true but they are also way slower that mid tiers
proper ledge
They get 2 shot lol. The power difference is legit unfair for cost lol
Time invested vs stats. 3-4 mid tiers actually cannot do anything against an apex. Unless you're a carni group of let's say.. dilos? But then that's more of a carni pack shouldn't be held to the same size limit as a herd then.
lilac swallow
Did you totally ignored me saying they are way slower? Because i said it
And every small tier is 2 shoted by every mid and i dont see them crying
This is not a fighting Game if the other player over powers you, you can just run away you are not forced to fight it
proper ledge
Are we talking carnis or herbs here? Lol what if you're with trikes then? Migrating about? Do you leave them to fight some 5 giga pack? The carni apexes can inevitably find the para or diablos cause speed wise giga will find them. Spose the real issue is giga generally. Alt turn, trot speed and stam regen standing is pretty good
Unlike the small tiers the mid tiers have a much harder time hiding as well sooo 
grand brook
I'm sorry what does that mean, are you saying that mid tier herbivores have a tough time?
brittle bough
@formal vine the 'horror' part will be more prominent when playing as a human, i believe
formal vine
Must be more prominent for smaller dinos as well.
unreal moat
Nah dude waiting in a bush for 6 hours watchin youtube is the definition of horror
brittle bough
@ashen wasp resting was confirmed to be that in the stream, i believe
night mountain
Suggestion: Every time anyone suggests buffing rex or giga nerf them both a little bit
brittle bough
i cant believe rex and giga are gonna be equivalent to tacos after the recode
dire bone
Rex and Gig getting bullied by utah in 2 days X)
ashen wasp
WOOT
night mountain
disabling growth in water is the dumbest thing possible for an aquatic species
violet magnet
official servers have a rule about water exploitation
disabling growth in water would prevent juvie suchos from camping in water all the time and being untouchable
night mountain
water is getting overhauled so it probably wont even be possible anymore
they also won't be untouchable at all
being a sucho at all is gonna be rough when deino is out lol
golden shoal
@night mountain I disagree, Dryo can't grow in the safety of a burrow, why should swimmers be allowed to grow in the safety of swimming?
night mountain
because nothing can actually get dryo in a burrow
if a ton of things could get to it anyway then yeah, it growing in a burrow would be fine
golden shoal
Wait, what's happening in 2 days? I'm seeing talk of rex Giga nerf?
brittle bough
it was a joke lol
finite perch
considering it looks like smooth growth has just been revealed...i feel like this might swiftly become a moot point
whole heron
@valid zephyr Depends on where you are in the world... or rather where the island is in the world 😉 4pm & 8pm might be early for you.... but that seems pretty normal for my end of the world
brittle bough
suggestion about combat before the combat rework
"aw shit, here we go again"
night mountain
lol here it doesnt get isle levels of dark until almost midnight it seems like
brittle bough
@cedar frigate discussions channel is over 'ere lad
cedar frigate
Lol sorreh
Im pissed cause I lost my cerato so I need some place to rant
I was 25 mins in as an adult and a sub rex nearly won a 1v2 me and my friend got to 3rd so we left
then I went to eat and a sub rex and adult rex show up and ambush me so I ambush away bump into a tree then rex hits tree bites the tree as im still running and I die
brittle bough
when i played as a cerato i got hit miles away from my model by a pachy and died, so yeah their hitboxes seem a bit wonky lol- most hitboxes are, but that should be tended to after the recode
cedar frigate
I feel its stupid that a sub rex is not only a bit stronger than cerato but also
just about the same speed
Yeah true slate
Hopefully they are tending to it
I even hope that Hold on imma right it in suggestions
frank zinc
Wolf, locational damage is coming
brittle bough
another suggestion about combat before the combat rework
"aw shit, here we go again"
night mountain
yeah they are specifically working on what you asked RIGHT now 😃
cedar frigate
@frank zinc Oh Thanks lol COOL!
I dont keep up with updates so I wouldent know
I should but me no know how
valid zephyr
@whole heron ah over here it was 9:30pm and as light as it is in game at 4pm. guess it is different elsewhere
deep bolt
Mating calls 37 upvotes 35 downvotes 😂
indigo sun
@spiral ravine you gotta actually specify the nerfs you want. You cant just say "nerf x"
spiral ravine
I personally would lower their speed and turn rate
indigo sun
Then put it in your suggestion
umbral prairie
sub rexes aren't OP, a full grown sub rex takes 5 hours to get so it should be stronger than mid tiers (and the not fully grown subs are trash), it just shouldn't be possible to not grow and stay as it forever. (that will probably change if we get dynamic growth though)
I do agree that sub giga is far worse than it
but I think sub giga just needs a little buff on speed and maybe damage or bleed
umbral prairie
do you play on no alt
spiral ravine
the thing is, yes it makes sense that full grown sub apexes are stronger than mid tiers, but the current apex population on every server is just ridiculous
I play on both
umbral prairie
yeah that is true
a big part of the problem is that staying in a bush the entire time is so easy
you even get better cnances for AI than when you are travelling since AI spawns behind you sometimes
spiral ravine
yeah I've noticed thay
barren zephyr
ai shouldnt spawn on the player imo
spiral ravine
I just hope the devs can come up with something so that we don't need "server rules" to help deal with apex plague
white falcon
@night mountain juvie raptors can enter burrows.
umbral prairie
@valid flower They already have a new system for health,stam,bleed and bb done, it will come with the recode
valid flower
How do you know?
barren zephyr
@valid flower dondi said it on a stream not too long ago
valid flower
Oh sick, okay thanks.
barren zephyr
@mellow maple thats just visual
mellow maple
Visual?
So the stats are actually different in game than what the hud says? I'm still confused on the number jump from 300 to 450 in less than a percent.
umbral prairie
I'm pretty sure that stat jump is an actual stat jump and not a jump in the stat display in the character screen, but I'm not completely sure
mellow maple
If it is supposed to be 450, it'd be nice the numbers were spread out more evenly so I can actually use it.
barren zephyr
nah it gains stats over time intead of the jump
its just a visual bug
not actual stats
mellow maple
Huh
So then, what's the real damage at say.... 90% Would it be 300 there?
I want to find a way to get reliable info on my stats. x-x
indigo sun
@formal vine i'm pretty sure they're already working on a new sky, the clouds at least. Dondi showed off the new clouds in his last stream
formal vine
Wonderful
can you send me a screenshot from the stream @indigo sun
I wanna see the new sky
indigo sun
Just look in #videos-and-streams or ask in #401464048610312195 for the right clip, I'm not at my computer right now and my phone cant function with twitch downloaded
mild basin
@formal vine they are definitely working on a new sky, go to dondi's twitch clips and look at the sky and cloud clips
brittle ivy
https://clips.twitch.tv/ColorfulSpeedyPanGivePLZ @formal vine This is the new skybox in the works 😃
stray cloak
I feel like sleep, if added, should provide a buff rather than lack of it giving a debuff.
This is already a game where people spend a lot of time sitting and doing nothing.
Sleep might be better implemented as faster healing and stam recovery than resting, but have a much longer getup time and maybe blur the screen or deafen the player.
jovial blade
Also resting should have your eyes closed
I find it dumb you cant close your eyes at night
Because it glows so much
And the idle animations can get in the way some times
umbral prairie
I feel like forcing players to sleep isn't a great idea, gameplay consisting of not playing is not really a good thing
also I don't know how to feel about the Ai spawning thing since AI spawning next to you is dumb anyways imo, but the rest is a cool idea
idk how necessary it really is though
dreamy wharf
Sleeping mechanics don't really add any horror aspect, it's not horrifying to see a blurry image. As well as what's the fun factor in sleeping? Isn't that just AFK'ing with extra steps at that point with some minor gains from having to habitually AFK every so often?
It's cool 'n all for a singleplayer game if it managed to pass the time at a faster rate, however in a multiplayer setting it's more of a random chore to do than something fun.
south flower
I guess those points are true, I just don’t know how to to have it and actually be appealing to anyone.
grand brook
@shell willow I suggested that a while ago, and most people came to the conclussion that it would be exploited by players. I came with a more adequate solution, making a lower agression call equally hearable though not as intense, specially for some dinos (allo, dibble...) that have powerful 3 calls that sometimes are best used for intimidation rather than in group quarrel.
jovial blade
At night the gameplay is boring for the most part anyway
Most people just sit out the night
A sleep mode wouldn't be bad
Also annoying how your eyes glow
shell willow
how would a growl be exploited 
umbral prairie
or slightly increased NV and stuff to do during the night
jovial blade
Then dilo players would complain lol
grand brook
apparently people would use that call with the same meaning as the 3 call, and use it to not reveal their location
jovial blade
But I agree nv is fucking terrible
umbral prairie
nah they would have an easier time finding players
grand brook
yeah i don't trully get it either
grand brook
but people have a habit of messing with the game
jovial blade
So i just sit the night out
shell willow
an equally hearable growl would be unnatural as hell, if you hear a dog growl from a mile away it's probably not a dog lol
there's nothing worse than everything coming your way when you think it's just you and one other person
grand brook
and i agree with you
but again, it's not the call that is the problem
it's the players
for realism servers it could work sure, but on officials were it's basically a free for all...yeah
umbral prairie
can't you just bite the air while looking at someone to show you don't want them around
shell willow
Not often because then some dumbasses take it as "fight me" instead of "go away"
umbral prairie
that happens with 3 call too though
umbral prairie
and would probably happen with the growl aswell
grand brook
i know it's going to be fixed
shell willow
something that isn't overly aggressive like biting the air or screaming at them but still lets them know that they're on thin fuckin ice
grand brook
yeah like a popping sound for ceratopsians, by closing their beak fast
or dog like growl on allosaurus
similar to it's f call
but more throaty
shell willow
I think utah's 3 call is fine as it is and I could see it doing fine without a growl because the 3 call is more of a hiss, the problem is that 90% of utah players are roleplayers and take everything as "fight me" even if you don't do anything at all
I could say hi in local and they'd be like "gEt OfF My TeRrItOrY!!! FiGHT ME!!!"
grand brook
that speaks more about utah players than the need for calls
shell willow
unfortunately it's not just utahs ;-;
grand brook
but yes i agree a less agressive call could be implemented
brittle bough
yeah, currently on some servers (namely no alt ones) people choose to stay sub rex because of how viable it is and because they dont want to deal with the stamina of adult rex, so it'd be nice to force them to git gud and deal with it lel
grand brook
if everything goes to plan and their growth becomes even more difficult they will wish to grow into adulthood
umbral prairie
@queen comet so you can't just see people through walls and foliage and probably immersion
queen comet
Yea but you see name if you close and know who denied you from meat and other stuff
Really close not far
indigo sun
some servers have it enabled, it's better to just use replay or get an admin when it happens because otherwise people can harass whoever killed them and stuff
lilac swallow
And make camo useles? I have hide literally just under a predator many times
queen comet
Dose admin can see name on dead body?
brittle bough
maybe if they talk or f-call their name could briefly appear?
umbral prairie
yeah recode might fix replays, so that can be used, plus things like dragging corpses out of water or just eating them in water will be a thing
queen comet
I hope so we can eat in water
night mountain
Honestly I get the concept of sleep mechanics but it sounds SO SO boring.
stray cloak
Just have sleep be like sitting but different animation, much longer get up time, and much faster stam/ health recovery.
Maybe slow food/water consumption too if you're starving and waiting to be disturbed by an ai
Then it will actually be less time spent not moving because of the faster healing and stam recovery
night mountain
oh yeah i'd be fine with a system like that
oblique dust
imo I think like, a sleep mode animation would be neat way of indicating if someone's been afk for over 5-10 minutes but that's about it
and perhaps your food/thirst meta could deplete at a slower rate while this afk sleep mode is enabled, but not much more than that.
but then again, that would probably just further encourage people to take the easy and boring way out, via AFKing in a bush while you're growing.
which is just one of the biggest gameplay issues going on with the game so far, so maybe just use it as an AFK-indicator with zero benefits and that's about it?
brittle bough
personally im in favor of it just being as simple as "rest = okay recovery, quick getup. sleep = good recovery, slow getup, no glowing eyes" as opposed to reliant on anything else
maybe the animation without benefits could be used to indicate afking, i suppose
bonus points if afk sleeping makes you snore to draw attention lol
oblique dust
snoring as a drawback to afk sleeping, lol that does sound neat.
crimson phoenix
it would be neat if you sat for too long at night you would go into sleep
covert iris
@formal vine exactly
night mountain
arent they already stopping assriding
i thought everything was getting slight trample damage or am i misremembering a suggestion as a fact
barren zephyr
i think before they even add backward motion or tail swipe mechanic they should fix the hitbox, i am actually gonna put a suggestion of that with a short video as an example
idk if anyone has experienced this before but i have died behind a rex as a utah assrding it
verbal acorn
Nothing wrong with growing “in a bush”...juveniles are supposed to hide, supposed to play it safe, supposed to avoid threats...that’s how juveniles grow to adulthood.
This whole concept of entering the world as a gladiator is the most ridiculous thing to try and impose on players in this game of survival. It has no place but to benefit seal clubbing.
The truth is, you’d be stupid not to hide in a bush...and anything that attempts to stop it would push this game from survival to a mindless frag-fest.
paper oriole
might be a bit op to completely disable biting with jaw break, maybe just drastically reduce the damage or something, and still allow eating and drinking at a reduced rate
i do hope theres some unique bone breaks for things like tail and jaw though..
keen trail
verbal acorn
Doesn’t have to actually be a broken jaw...it can just be an Injured Jaw. An injured jaw would be able to justify a reduced bite damage or an inability to bite...without sparking the debate about if a broken jaw is survivable or not.
It also provides flexibility in terms of how the devs utilize the injury in game.
finite perch
ideally, having an injured state and then a broken state would be ideal for all regions of the body
an injured neck would still be more severe than an injured flank, because the neck is a more valuable region
paper oriole
i mean there will also be stacking damage for bone break too so maybe you'll lose all ability to bite after several hits, eating and drinking being disabled entirely during a jaw break would be pretty cruel lol
lilac swallow
@barren zephyr idk why everyone disliked your suggestion, i thought everyone hated fanboyism
Unless they are all fanboys
grand brook
@paper oriole it would...but then again that's kind of what happens when you face a living tank that has a hammer on it's backside, it's cruel sure, nature is very cruel. If it is temporary and you can do any of this actions like eating, drinking...for a while and then you just recuperate then I wouldn't mind. It's would be about the same punishment you get when you break a leg.
barren zephyr
Well one of them is a giga fanboy that kept screaming inaccurate false giga facts to get it buffed in #401464048610312195 @lilac swallow
lilac swallow
I know, is ironic that a guy who called everyone a Rex fanboy is against an anti fanboy suggestion
tepid light
in what way would you want us to be more strict about? @barren zephyr
barren zephyr
Less one sided suggestions about balance.
Maybe
Its mostly the suggestions channel that i feel like needs to be more strict. Ppl sometimes will type false info.
neat flicker
It's a suggestion channel, as long as people aren't writing super troll suggestions, every suggestion is at least welcomed, if you try to impose strict ruling on it, it won't be an open forum anymore. Someone can always put up an idea, and it might not be a good one, and someone else down the line can pick pieces from it and make it even better to actually be something.
lilac swallow
I just dont want the convo of yesterday to repeat
1vs20 and that one didnt stop insulting
tepid light
but if their information is wrong the devs will know, it's their game, and the suggestions will be ignored, we can hardly police people's suggestions beside the trolly one
also if insult comes to happens then you tag us mods and we will take care of the situation @lilac swallow
lilac swallow
Werent real insults so i didnt wanted to ask you, but didnt stop assuming everyone who didnt agree with him was a Rex fanboy, that isnt real insult thats why i didnt called you
valid zephyr
we do get the same convo every single day. people arguing if trike/giga/rex needs buff or nerf
barren zephyr
Yea i find it pointless due to next update changing how everything works.
neat flicker
Everyone gets to have their own opinion, and if someone can't hold a debate or doesn't want to listen to someone elses opinion, then you can simply ignore/block them. If it's creating a disturbance within the community then please feel free to tag a mod for them to look at everything and act accordingly. You're always going to get people talking about buffs/nerfs, it changes from person to person about their feelings
lilac swallow
@shadow canyon sorry but dondi confirmed cerato wont get a better ambush. And a little correction without being rude, pachy is small tier while cerato and Maia are both mid tier, so cerato and pachy arent the same tier
lilac swallow
@barren zephyr you shouldnt Talk there, Talk here better, this is suggestions disscusion
umbral prairie
wasn't cerato supposed to be a scavenger
lilac swallow
Yeah sammel
umbral prairie
Is that still what it's supposed to be or did they leave that idea
umbral prairie
I hope it will get some changes to it's scent at some point, so it can scent corpses that are far away
lilac swallow
I suppose It Will get those things
umbral prairie
maybe there could even be corpses spawning around the map
lilac swallow
Like eating rotten meat too
umbral prairie
oh yeah that aswell
still temple
diablo could definitely use some new locomotion animations
lilac swallow
Do seriously someone think dibble locomotion animation are ok?
mental sleet
I swear nobody can leave animations be for more than a few months before getting angry at them.
still temple
All the ppl who reacted with 
apparently. They probably have a visual disability
wild rose
@valid flower I agree the front right leg looks like its bugged . And the back moves too much when trotting
valid flower
Mhm.
@wild rose About the walking back thing, not all players play on alt turn servers
That guy prob plays on a serv with no alt turn.
still temple
Dinosaurs couldn't rly walk backwards tho
valid flower
Wait isnt the #general-feedback about the game in general?
wild rose
idk
mental sleet
''Post suggestions for things you'd like to see in the game here, if you'd like to discuss a particular suggestion please do so in #general-feedback-discussion.''
valid flower
So the game in general.
prisma lily
to be fair, new players who get introduced to private servers first often get the assumption that those rules are just how the game is rather than being isolated to individual servers
like, no tutorial is out right now, its a learning curve that can be messed up just by playing a full realism server and then heading onto official and goin 
brittle bough
a tutorial that suggests or autofills searching for 'official' in the server list may help guide new players there first, or a way to 'pin' official servers to always be at the top or something of that sort
vagrant crest
brittle bough
yeeah lol
@brazen wolf if i remember correctly, affinity will encourage herbivores to do more than plant their ass between a bush and water and wait for a carnivore to come by, so id imagine it wont be as boring at least.
but trikes arent meant to chase down aggressors, they are meant to hold their ground and punish whatever approaches them, and have a pal to cover their vulnerable butt; if youre looking for fast, violent gameplay, i think looking at trike is a bit misguided- just play diablo instead lol
lilac swallow
im waiting for alt turn to be forced so we have no more balance suggestion around no alt turn
Yeah diablo is the agressive ceratops, trike is more about killing who aproach him
I would like to know why uncle reacted with to slate
brittle bough
i assume at the diablo thing because the unusually terrifying diablo is kinda funny? iunno
brazen wolf
haha Its funny that to know Trike Precious jucy butt
brittle bough
pff
brazen wolf
Trike are cute and funny as fk
i dont want it to dissappear
and only see carnivor fight stumilation
evey one want to see trike admit it
brittle bough
i mean, just herd with other trikes and be a death troop, 's not that bad
i do hope to see more herbis after everything is reworked though, right now maybe its due to me not knowing where to go, but i swear i find the land is crawling with carnis and the occasional tiny pocket of herbivores lmao
lilac swallow
Yeah, trike would totally disapear without mixherb
brazen wolf
herbs are already minority
brittle bough
would it tho?
brazen wolf
so why make more boring
lilac swallow
How do you herb if no one is playing trike?
brittle bough
be a maia and outrun your problems
brazen wolf
Tike are body gurd of Herbs
Just run and eat grasss
not fun
these are players humans
not real Grass eaters
what you expect
just make it fun for eveyoe
brittle bough
so yeah, the current state of herbis is either
outrun everything, no fun unless you come upon a carno
be too slow to do anything except die
with no in between, so like i said hopefully the recode and reworking will fix that a bit
lilac swallow
I mean if you want to fight so badly you could perfectly play a carni, not saying herbis shouldnt kill
brittle bough
i mean, they shouldnt, thats not really their purpose lol
lilac swallow
This isnt a war, and carnis kills each other to
brazen wolf
Rex could easily Get away
lilac swallow
Yeah trike should be stronger
brazen wolf
Trike is fine, just dont remove the mix pack for herbs
they are scared
too many carnivors in the server
and the Rex is cancer
lilac swallow
Gigas are same or even more cancer
brazen wolf
hahah@lilac swallow
brittle bough
carni gameplay: pvp/hunting/violence/fast/usually solo or few amigos/offensive/"rexes and raptors are coolest!!"
herbi gameplay: social/chill/slow/defensive/reliant on teams
herbis arent meant to hunt down anything lol, they are in fact exactly the opposite of that
lilac swallow
Being fun to play doesnt mean isnt cáncer for non giga players
brittle bough
do not fucking start
brittle bough
im trying my best to keep this channel out of the god damn hole that is rex/giga with this guy
lilac swallow
"Reliant of team", wrong no Dino should rely entirely of having a group
lament thorn
^
lilac swallow
I main utah and i dont Talk about It evrywhere
brittle bough
anyway herbivores are meant to be social and live in groups, thats kind of their thing. thats why most carnivores who hunt said grouping herbs aim to separate one from the group, because that makes it an easier kill, because its alone.
saying herbis shouldnt be social-geared is a bit silly lol
lament thorn
But saying herbis should need a group is silly
brazen wolf
this is a game
lament thorn
If the dino can't survive on its own it's fodder
lilac swallow
I play and then find a group
brittle bough
i didnt say need. youre all inserting that. by all means i can live as a lone maia just fine, but its not ideal.
lament thorn
That's the main issue
brazen wolf
you will get bored as fk
shell willow
Herbis should be viable on their own, but as a whole they should do a lot better in groups
brazen wolf
after a while
brittle bough
exactly para
brittle bough
but they seem to think "social-geared" means "ONLY IN A GROUP EVER"
lilac swallow
Obviously It should be better being grouped but you should also be viable solo
brittle bough
ive already said that affinity will likely give herbis more to do than be bored until a carni comes by
shell willow
most people here tend to think in black-and-white so I'm not surprised ^^'
lilac swallow
When i read "reliant on group" i thought you meant that, sorry if you didnt
brittle bough
they are intended to be better as a team, e.g. encouraged to rely on a group, because thats how herbivores are. by all means if you want to be a solo trike, you can, but you cant then bitch about unbalance when you get bested by a pair of rexes who chose not to be solo lol
lilac swallow
I wont bitch if i get killed by a pair
And i might simply didnt found a group instead of chosing to be solo
shell willow
In the future when all this stuff gets reworked I have a feeling it'll be hard not to find a group of at least one kind of herbivore somewhere
brittle bough
aye, i hope itll be easier to find a herd of your own kind somehow, especially if hope is at all bigger than v3 lol
maybe nesting will be less wonky so youll know more readily if an egg is available/pending for a dinosaur
grand brook
Uncleraptor in suggestions aw shit here we go again
herbivores overall do better in groups, but some are quite viable as solo creatures. Gallis por example can do very well on their own, same with dryos. Anything bigger however will have more trouble if it's caught alone by predators in pack of the same and higher tiers
And a para speed buff while tempting and somewhat needed, will probably cause anger in allo players as they get run over, even though maia does the same to dilos and utahs and they don't complain half as much.
random forge
Maias are a true nightmare for us dillos/utah small carni players believe me
they just camp in specific spots and they target all juvis and other carnis
chasing them far and kill them
brazen wolf
NeedToTownDownRexThen
OnSpeed
SoWeCouldHaveTheirCurrentSpeed
or all could use some speed up
allo
grand brook
I'm fully aware, but that's to be expected as the game currently has no means of stopping them from doing so
brazen wolf
a Single op dino could reuin other game play
grand brook
well there's not really a completelly op dino currently in survival
hell some of them are quite weak, just look at the cerato and pachy
brazen wolf
in my openion older cerato was better
bigger and stronger
it did not need the speed buff
grand brook
but it was just another big predator, and we have already enough of those
brazen wolf
we just have 2
grand brook
and allo
brazen wolf
cerato could have been in the middle
grand brook
and sucho
grand brook
wheeze sure, sucho is great
barren zephyr
old cera is giga meal
pulsar lake
He is balanced but he is like old cerato²
brazen wolf
no cera is faster then Apex
pulsar lake
Before no
brazen wolf
the mid and small should be faster
barren zephyr
actually i take that back old cera whooped gigas in packs of 2
grand brook
and that's not supossed to be the case since sucho is a fisher, a strong fisher sure
but a fisher
pulsar lake
Sucho is an apexes meal
brazen wolf
cera was scary to see before
pulsar lake
And can't seriously hunt
brazen wolf
now it's lot smaller and week
brazen wolf
ok here is the deal
pulsar lake
Sucho is a deception without fish
grand brook
i'm not even sure why the released the sucho before some other dino
it was clearly rushed just like pachy
brazen wolf
Apex bleeder should be faster then Rex
pulsar lake
Rex is an ambusher
brazen wolf
or Rex need it's bb reduced
pulsar lake
So he need to be fast
barren zephyr
rex has low stamina
brazen wolf
it's need to be skill based
pulsar lake
And he need bone break so survive
brazen wolf
you crazyt
grand brook
Uncle we get it, you play giga can we move on please?
barren zephyr
reducing a chance doesnt make it skill based
barren zephyr
BB is getting reworked anyway what ur saying is pointless
brazen wolf
ok
pulsar lake
He can just do one ambush and need to stop and gain his stam after
barren zephyr
rex actually runs for 33secs
brazen wolf
so weeker should be able to out run in normal speed
but in ambush they should be caught
pulsar lake
Rex ambush is nice for me as every dinosaurs
The thing is you need to see it before he run
grand brook
giga shouldn't be faster, for a very good reason. If you make it faster with it's current stam it will destroy any mid tier even more so
pulsar lake
Giga bleed is more dangerous than bone break
brittle bough
oh my god i left for one fucking second and its going again
pulsar lake
It's not 100% BB but bleed it is.
brittle bough
the combat rework makes all of this shit meaningless. wait until the combat is reworked to discuss changes to the fuckin combat. in the meantime its a waste of everyones time.
grand brook
the meta is litered with bleed based predators as of now, what could be interesting is another damage based predator
pulsar lake
And bone break rework
brittle bough
maybe someone will be reworked to be damage based, who knows
pulsar lake
I want to see people rage because a rex bite there back and be paralized
Or be one shoted because a rex hite there neck
barren zephyr
there should be a rule that makes it so u cant make a suggestion based on the current combat system.
grand brook
allo, utah, dilo, carno and giga all of them are bleed based to varying degrees
formal vine
they're both good lol
grand brook
with cerato and rex being the two exceptions
formal vine
Giga bleeds out rex if it ambushes
brittle bough
perhaps, but combat is being reworked so whether theyre good or bad is irrelevant
oh my fucking god
barren zephyr
same i know the echo chamber hurts : (
formal vine
Rex cannot regain stamina while walking
They're somewhat balanced
But not entirely
pulsar lake
Absolutely
formal vine
The only reason rex is more OP is because 70% server is rex
brittle bough
yes congratulations you played current giga/rex very good billy you attended the class but they are being reworked so stop discussing suggestions about them
brazen wolf
funny think off the topic. i was afk growing my sub giga then i hear a rumble wtf . there were 2 sub Trike running by me one saw me and stomped me 2 time befor i got up and was lokink for h key. he missed me then gored me once , i fukin ran they chase me but too slow lol . i got out
oblique crown
Lol, this room should just be called Giga and Rex debate
waxen elk
viral creek
The most recent suggestion made me mad. I love para. >:C
Para is actually really good in the right hands.
"Omg the dinosaur has a skill gap now. He must suck."
lilac swallow
i dont think it suck, is pretty good right now
viral creek
Agreed.
lilac swallow
but i still hate the fack that a losing allo can retreat but a losing para has to end because it is bleeding
fact*
viral creek
Pretty sure allo and para have the same speed. Para just has more stam.
Para also has really great bleed res. So he can give those allos a run for their money.
lilac swallow
yeah, but if a allo is losing it can run away because a bleeding para wont follow it
true that
i wont complain really is one of the most balanced matchups now
viral creek
Really depends on the skill
An allo vs an average/bad para is pretty even.
A skilled para can take on multple allos.
(At most 3)
lilac swallow
remember my last para, was a survivor
survived many encounter, but died to a fall+bonebrak+giga
lilac swallow
@fading shadow true, allo momentun is absurdly high
fading shadow
facts
spiral pond
Can’t allo just bite para 3 times and watch it bleed to death ?
lilac swallow
Para bleed out so slowly, by the time It bleeds out you have starved or someone has found you and killed you
valid zephyr
eh in v3 you can go hours not seeing anyone. plenty of time to bleed them out
spiral pond
But that means that allos can switch out with ambushes and heal the kicks off with ease
grand brook
problem with para is it's bleed heal though
lilac swallow
Thats the main problem mini
spiral pond
Also if para tries to run it will get tracked down cause of awful trot and stam regen
grand brook
diablos can give back the bleed that allos give them
and make them bite the dust if they aren't careful
spiral pond
But we aren’t talking about dibbles
grand brook
to compare both mid tier herbivores
spiral pond
Dibble is way more fight oriented
lilac swallow
Diablo is the fighting one
spiral pond
While para tries to be good in both aspects but kinda fails
lilac swallow
Para is 50 run 50 fight
spiral pond
All allo has to do is to bite para once and para has to stay
grand brook
paras as of know while very capable of defending themeselves have some crucial flaws that make them less viable
lilac swallow
Dibble is one of the best dinos right now
grand brook
potat team all the way
lilac swallow
Dibble only real problem are very sneaky ambushing rexes
spiral pond
You can still avoid them
grand brook
it's main weakness is a very slow juvie
spiral pond
Cause their run turn sucks
grand brook
you can outmaneuver them
valid zephyr
yeah lost mine to a rex pack yesterday as they predicted my path through the forest and went the other way to cut me off. was just outplayed
grand brook
even more so in an ambush as their turn becomes worse
valid zephyr
dibble juvie is bad
grand brook
but it's kind of a trade of for how good the adult is
valid zephyr
agreed
spiral pond
All ceratops juvies are bad
lilac swallow
Trike juv is a huge sad potato
spiral pond
While sub Rex is chad
lilac swallow
And sadder as It has more time to lose
spiral pond
Trike right now is hot garbage
lilac swallow
6 hours for a slow diablo who cant really fight apexes unless the skill difference is huge
grand brook
also in regards to dibble growth, for as much as the juvie dibble is a pain to play as, it's adult growth is faster than a para. So you can become the potato chad faster than a para can avoid most threats.
spiral pond
Pretty sure para and dibble grow the same time
grand brook
a slow clumsy diablo that gets bodied by sub rexes
they are but their growth stages are different, 3 hours for both but different time to reach adulthood
grand brook
i would recommend the contrary, given how hadrosaurs grew very fast and to compensate for it's current stats
barren zephyr
subrex dies after 1 second when facetanking dibbles lol
grand brook
i'm all for giving it a speed buff though, so if a para wants to chase after an allo running at base speed it can
spiral pond
We were talking about sub trike Arci
barren zephyr
ah
spiral pond
In comparison to dibble
barren zephyr
sub trike isnt weak tho
grand brook
yeah, ceras have it tough enough as it is
spiral pond
So it outruns allo long distances
grand brook
anky will get it's justice in time
thorny lynx
Well, excuse me if I don't like my dinosaurs looking like they can't bend their toes.
Is that better?
umbral prairie
I really hope they will implement that eventually
also get rid of the weird terrain alignment of the body, it really only makes sense for quadrupedal dinos when walking up or down a hill
leaning to the side whan walking sideways on a slope looks just dumb xD
thorny lynx
Idk what it is, but something is missing with IK or terrain alignment
I think it's actual IK
umbral prairie
yeah the IK seems to be a very early version, and the terrain alignment is a bit unnecessary tbh
thorny lynx
Only quadrupeds should have terrain alignment
umbral prairie
but it is probably very hard to make IK as good as in the clip above without it bugging around in many spots of the map
yeah and even quadrupeds should not have it when walking sideways on a slope
only when walking up or down
thorny lynx
So what if it might sink into the ground a little bit?
I just want my dinosaur to step over something intelligently.
Instead of 'oh fuck, rock'
'fuck, log'
umbral prairie
imagine that irl, something is running away from something else, suddently stops in front of a pebble, tries turning in place panicking and running away into another direction repeating the process
thorny lynx
And it bothers me that animations cause the feet to slide around, which is why the actual model freaks out when performing certain animations on slopes
Galli, rex...
umbral prairie
what would also be cool is your dino trying to move it's head around trees and then ramming into it with it's body rather than sticking it's head half it's body into the tree, but that is probably hard to do aswell
thorny lynx
Allo...
umbral prairie
deinosuchus, one of the most famous symbiotic relationships.
(I know it is probably just not a finished sentence)
I don't know if that symbiotic stuff would really work, what would stop the deino from eating the ptera once the teeth are cleaned
brittle bough
not being rood
possibly affinity stuff, dental hygiene lol
@thorny lynx wym freak out, roaring on uneven terrain is flawless lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyWoTkrptJY&feature=youtu.be
thorny lynx
x'D
umbral prairie
the breathing thing could be cool, but it should not be very long so you can run away and hide without the hunter hearing you breathe in the tree. That should be possible, just not when you are already sitting for half a minute
hallow vigil
@thorny lynx i like ur suggestion about IK stuff but dont ask when something is coming pls (rule 9)
thorny lynx
Apologies.
@sacred sand Rex and Dilo huff when they're running. Rex has major asthma xD
umbral prairie
I think they meant that you continue to be out of breath when you stand still after running for a while
thorny lynx
Man. Imagine a rex finding you because you're being too loud while having an asthma attack
That's gotta suck.
night mountain
I still don't get the picking teeth thing. No animal does that outside of like, cleaner fish/shrimp.
paper oriole
i mean not really, but since we dont have actual birds, bottom tier dinos and pteras would be the closest thing
unless of course, birds landing to pick the deino's teeth were a part of its rest animation after a certain amount of time
violet magnet
@brittle bough look at that dumbass rex victory roaring before the maia's even dead
maia should've broadcasted right back
brittle bough
we had been dancing around each other for 15 minutes lmao, i figured he deserved it- and i was too busy laughing at the mild spaz
vestal rune
@jolly willow pretty much already a thing, since it tells you your current bleed and bb "points"
it keeps going down, and when it reaches zero, the bb/bleed ends, like a timer
jolly willow
i mean yeah but like
a timer for that
x time until ur shit goes down to something
whatever level is next*
jolly willow
yes
vestal rune
and could be exploited
jolly willow
i mean i guess
vestal rune
and isn't really necessary lol
jovial blade
The deino teeth picking could be a thing
When deinos are sun basking their mouth could be opened and that's when the pteradons could do it, they could boost each others affinity
Prey-predator relationship to benefit each other
night mountain
but like why would a ptera jam its head into a giant predators mouth?
brittle bough
to want to feel like a lion tamer
night mountain
Why would an animal do that though? Theres a reason animals don't do stuff like that haha
(also crocs don't really get food stuck in their teeth commonly because of the spacing)
jovial blade
Its common actually
They dont chew food
And they also rip meat off the animal and it can get caught
night mountain
Source for it being common? I used to work with gators and saw it happen like, once ever.
jovial blade
Captive animals are alot different
night mountain
also the bird cleaning crocodile teeth thing is a myth anyway
jovial blade
Your captive crocs aren't death rolling meat chunks off of a buffalo
They were most likely fed chickens
Which could be swallowed whole
night mountain
Death rolling doesn't make stuff stuck in their teeth really. The teeth are too spaced, it isn't like a human mouth where stuff gets stuck in there
jovial blade
I linked you a bird that actually does that
night mountain
A ptera isn't going to risk it's life to get some potential tiny scrap of meat
night mountain
no, they don't. It's a myth. It started from some greek guy saying it like 1500 years ago iirc
night mountain
They're both well studied animals and has never been recorded once ever
night mountain
Yeah, I have. It's a WELL known myth. Next are you going to tell me ostriches bury their heads in sand and cats steal the breath from a baby?
night mountain
I'm sorry you fall for myths really easily and like, refuse to believe otherwise, I guess?
even wikipedia talks about it being a myth lol
jovial blade
I have multiple articles backing it up
