#general-feedback-discussion
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Na I support dragon
It gives carni a way better edge
Knowing what kind of prey in which area
It’s just not fair
Herbis are already passive enough by game style
True
But you get punished for not staying in one area is absurd
not when they are very small, that's why deer fawns are born with natural camouflage, same with boarlets and ratites chicks
maybe have food spawn randomly across the map, all kinds of it
but have an abundance of the food you need
in a certain biome
I do support the fact that biome enhance the rate of certain food
it just doesn't make sense for a carnivore to have food served right next to you
Say redwood has more chance of trike food
That’s cool
It’s my choice as a trike to go there
Not being forced to
And if I don’t choose to I will not punish for it
it will just be harder to find the food you really need in the wild
ofc still being able to eat grass
grazing will be a thin tho
carnivore diet is based on a high risk but high reward system, you might starve more quickly as you cannot eat everything but the food you do eat is extremely nutritious
"Fossil dung reveals dinosaurs did graze grass. One of the most common “mistakes” in the prehistoric book is not wrong after all – dinosaurs did eat grass. Textbooks have long taught that grasses did not become common until long after the dinosaurs died at the end of the Cretaceous period, 65 million years ago."
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herbivores on the other hand have food all around, but that food is of poor nutritional quality for the most part
so in that sense, a change could be made
ai shouldn't spawn right in your face when you hit 70% hunger
could have growth issues for species that only eat grass
or sickness
also, I think 99% of the community already agreed numerous times that ai spawning like that needs to be changed
Ok
yuumi, that's already been suggested numerous times also
Side note
Wtf is this
The dung fossil that found glass micro structure was likely from a titanosaur
A sauropod weighted over 100 ton
So my question is
I don't know anything about that btw, just googled quick cuz I was interested
so they have to be able to get their head down
Banana is technically grass
So many questions..... is it really grass they ate or a plant that shares the same structure that were thought to be exclusive in grass
So confused
Ok back to the discussion
I wrote some suggestion tackling both game play and the way food spawn a while back
Don’t know if you guys read it
If you guys want I can repost it
maybe post it here?
Territory and Ai Suggestions
The idea contains two parts, the first is a territorial system that involves adding environmental footprints. Whilst the second part adds benefits and disadvantages for both carnivores and herbivores within or out of the territory they control.
In general, environmental footprints (may it be poop, tree marks, or whatever) would come in different sizes and appear in different colours according to their host’s diet under Q mode when a player sniffs.
Having an alternative way to indicate a solo/group’s territory would let players avoid territories held by different dinos and allow hunters to locate their prey in a more generic location while only providing minimum informations. This would not only add a new play style for dinos on the both sides but also make scavenging carnivores possible. Moreover it makes the game more dynamic in many different ways.
When a territory is marked, it would spawn AIs according to its owners diet. But mostly a grade/size lesser than the territory’s owners which would not danger the adults but add risks on the juvis and hatchlings to discourage mass group nesting or afk growth.
For herbivores, Carnivores Ai spawned would endanger the younger member of the herd yes, but it could also be used to warn if there’s any larger predators around. Moreover, knowing that there would be AIs that would interfere with the fight, even apex predators will have to choose their battle more seriously instead of just initiating the first chance they see something that moves.
I'll try making a suggestion somewhere later with what I've discussed here
As for carnivores, the current ai spawning system is a great lifeline, but it spawns ai far too close to the player. And basically rewards the player for not doing anything. But if it were to change into a territorial spawn, where AIs would only spawn outside but near a carnivores marked territory. It would have to make players work more and take more risks for them to get food. As carnivores will now have to venture out more to find food and possibly defend their territory to secure a constant food supply and not just afk in a place while waiting for AIs to spawn in their mouths.
Right before someone say it’s super abusable, we can reduce the ai carnivores food amount to 10% of their player counterpart <—there
But no matter if you are either a nesting/roaming herbivores or carnivores you will be able to make use of the territory system, so what do u guys think??? #general-feedback-discussion
TL;DR :
Mark territory, the bigger you have it the better.
Area size, host size can be seen under Q
Herbi Ai spawns outside but close to Carni Territory
Carni Ai Spawns inside but far from players in Herbi territory
[For herbivores:
When there are adults in their territory, they would give their offspring bonus to growth speed, maybe a 30% or so buff
The bonus for babies would be lost if any player carnivores ventures into herbi territory/Herbis of difference species making a nest.] <----- credit @Why Watt
There
So basically herbi food spawns everywhere
But concentrates in their marked territory
Carni food spawns outside of their territory
And holding a territory gives herbis a growth bonus
When parents are around
And ai carni spawns inside herbi territory to terrorise the babas
I see 1 problem with apexes hiding in corners of maps marking their territory there
So that the territory would only sustain an apex with large enough land
we need to somehow promote people to not sit in a same place
Unless you announce to anyone who comes near where you are
Or else you don’t get food
Can you imagine how scared you would be
Or can you imagine how scavengers could actually hide in apex territory
To evade predators
Or younger dinos running from herbis
Also on the forcing people to move
You shouldn’t really force people to move
But instead you reward them for moving
problem is, we gotta make it so it isn't hard to understand to new plaers
how would you explain to mark your territory
It’s already hard to learn where water is
sniffing
If you had to figure it out yourself
walk and sniff
Honestly
If you are completely new
And you spawn next to the beach
You don’t have a map
And you have to find water in 15 minute before you die
15 minute of commitment in walking a single direction out of 360 degrees
No new player can make that mental decision
I think it's like 20 for most before u start taking damage
u can still survive about 10 ish mins before u die then
Ya but they don’t know that
They gonna flip shit when their water hits 40%
I mean I would
If I know there’s not water nearby and I am a juvi giga
yeah but that's something u learn after dying of dehydration once, no?
Exactly
The point I am trying to make is
The game already encourages learning by trial and error
yeah I like that
So it doesn’t really matter much
If you add a mechanic that doesn’t affect them much
But would be offer more help as you are more familiar to the game
That’s why herbi food would still spawn outside of their territory
Would maybe
but how do u spawn food if u don't have territory?
Mayyyybe just concentrate the spawn inside
As a carni our
Carnivore
Did you know the sound of Ava tarco and oro when you were new ?
No
A new player would just deem them as creepy as fuck background nosie
So again it is a trial and error kind of thing
This isn’t really that much of a differences for new players
But if this idea does get implemented
It’s the old player base that get affected the most
Where they will have to adept to it
Idk about the whole territory thing spawning food, to me it sounds too complex
Well
I would like to see some territory thing
You find a home
but in another way
Then the bigger your home is
not to spawn food
that will drive players away from eachother tho
Other than just territorial spawns
Apex yes
They would
Or would they?
A group of five Rex
Sees another Rex territory
Do they go in?
think rex groups will be reduced to 2
yikes xD
these examples arent the best rofl
15 allos, can wipe a server xD
But doesn’t punish you for not doing it
Well
Kinda
Perhaps
I still wanna see the 15allos vs 15 allos vs 15allos vs 30herbjs
yikes xD
React the day where 40allo bois fought over a group of herbis
I'll beback in about 15 ish mins
Well over 40 allos
The casualties were 40 allos
Yup
@barren zephyr
Good one
Now I can have 1 Rex four allos
tchdhzvfs well ;v;
lol
kimda like that. tho the slots could obv. be used for herbs and carnis
But no
Ya that’s the idea
And on top of that
With a timer where if you are switching to non empty slot
And the length of time would depends on the weight of your Dino
So let’s say u gonna switch for an adult raptor
U gotta be offline on that server for 10minutes
Then 20 or a dibble
And 30 for a Rex
yeah thats a good idea
ooh ok, i probs missed it
nicee
@barren zephyr slots might be a thing, but I don't see it happening for another 4/6 months tho
after the family sharing ended people bought another acc.. to have more "slots"
they need to let the trend die first
after that... they will add more slots so people that bought a second acc wont ask for refunds
and the idea of slots needs a rly good fix
your idea is an idea, but still, not that ok, imagine, you have a rex vs another rex.... both of you will get rly rly hurt in that 1 v 1 fight.. ( as an example ) ... the second player can log a dibble, or even something small, like a utah, dilo , ALLO
and because you will be damn hurt from the 1 v 1 ... more or less that will be enough to finish you off
so I'm very curious how the slot thing will be balanced
yeah, I think the slot thing will be a great adition to people playing this game and not buy a second copy
i dont get the minds of people tho, who just get rlly salty and need to revenge kill
more slots would be neat, but to me its not a must. was jsut an idea bc alot of people were really really upset
I had people come after me to try and revenge kill, but I have to admit... not that many.
but I think that adding slots will kinda make people do it a lot more often
i honestly havent had any come after me, but i see alot of other people having the problem.
yeeah,,
i thought balancing the amount of apex would maybe help it,
it would
but not for long
and not just for apex
as an example, you limit 5 apex online
and if they are not in the same group... a pack will be formed just to hunt them down
oh, mhh
for example ... I would limit apex to 3
but I would limit allos as well
20 allos in a group...
you can't fight that
perhaps limit for mid tiers in general?
nah they bleed u to death lol
guess we gotta see what the devs might have in mind
after recode I guess
Herbivores have no reason to ambush anything so I don't see the need for the ability to do so. Ambush is meant to sneak up and catch prey off guard which herbivores like pachy and galli don't need to do @subtle adder
Ah okay, but maybe a small speed boost
Still slower than the carnivores but a better chance of getting away
@barren zephyr I think having slots is a good idea, but I think it would only work of there was a timer between logging out/dying and switching slots, so revenge killing or luring people to the spot your apex is logged off at are not possible. I think a timer of 30 minutes is needed here, maybe have the timer go down quicker for slots with juvies/low tiers on them, and a bit slower for heavy dinos like apexes.
We could have no timer if you are going juvie
yeah i havent thought of timers yet ;v;
also to the limit for mid tiers I think once affinity is in every dino might have a limit on how many dinos of it's species can be around it before it's affinity slowly goes down, herbis might also have a tolerance for herbis of other species around them
Slots are cool, i want to have my solo Dino and my playing with friends dino but It needs to be regulated
@lone pagoda im in favor of more detail colors but you could just be female
lol it's ok, i understand the confusion. I call it spine colour bc it mostly covers the spine
They took away the high majority of black options due to solid colored raptors. I assume they would do the same to white if that becaume the case and only allow it on the belly. Albino animals are also expected to be rock bottom on affinity - so having albino as a choice would miscommunicate to players visually.
I know but wouldn't it be better to add a light grey instead of fully white? You would still look like an albino, just with some darker scales. Not like butter
lol that essay tho
@wintry bough do you know what they are working on currently?
BlockomaniacToday at 01:13
Troll suggestions are not allowed, just got confirmation
@wintry bough they currently can't, they're recoding which takes a LOT of time.
They are literally preparing a huge update
@toxic jewel Yeah, you kinda do.
I'm looking it up now and I cannot see ANYTHING unique about it.
no giga speed buff please
you know what giga really need
giga is stamina, rex is power
nobody, NOBODY, understand the concept of ambush and endurance
I DO!!!!!
it's weird lol
if anything, make rex normal sprint speed 31 km/h, so it can not really catch giga, but can also not be caught by a giga unless it runs out of stam (which it will)
how something so simple is so hard to understand
even that isn't really needed imo
Because "muh giga cant kill rex"
what's a gigas speed actuall?
since gigas can literally trot away from rexes that aren't like 50 meters away from them
like 34 smth yeah?
Yeah.
and rex is?
giga normal sprint is 30.6 afaik, ambush is 36
I once tested and in a straight line chase, an ambushing Rex needs to stay less than 2"rexes" of distance to catch a not ambushing giga
a giga or rex?
rex normal sprint is 32 or 33
and what's rexes speed?
ah
like how do people complain for that rofl
a rex can sprint 20 secs
and a giga can run for 2 min
I need to say again?
GiVe GiGa SpEeD bUfF
Because "muh giga cant kill rexes"
I don't know, giga has a very fast trot, as long as you don't let the rex come up to you to like 50 meters you're safe
Give giga literal inmunity
I'm still waiting to hear more on why Mussa should be added.
dryo 2.0 or smth
@umbral prairie i calculated like 25 meters but i need to re test it
so confused
how fast is rex ambush again?
Idk, faster than non ambush allo?
and does it run the full 6 seconds or does it have the momentum thing
Momentum
so it runs 5
Imma look how far a rex can ambush, using 5 seconds of runtime and 45 km/h as ambush speed
I tested this way, me(giga not ambush) and my bro(Rex with ambush) started running from the same plaze at the same time and when the rex ran out of stam i stoped too, the distance between me and my bro was the distance a giga needs to survive rex
Exactly
2.5 actually
if rex runs at 45 km/h it runs 12.5 meters per second, so 62.5 in 5 seconds. so if you're not super close a giga can escape from rex even when the rex is ambushing, since giga can run 42.5 meters in 5 seconds. WIth one second of reaction time, giga can run 34 meters in 4 seconds, so rex needs to be really close at the start of it's ambush to get the giga, not to speak of how close a rex without ambush needs to be
How did you tested?
Did you used the method i wrote just before or you used a better one?
wow the dinos are pretty small if one block is one meter, last I checked trike was 6 tiles long and rex 9
somewhat the same as yours
maybe I am not remembering it correctly
Rl Rex is 13 meter
So if ti is 13 block both a block is a metter and Rex is right scaled
But until human(the ones who will surely have real size) gets added we cant really now if a block is a metter
a block is a meter
cus
thats the base of a game
thats how it goes in basiclly all game engines
unity unreal
before you add meshes and landscape
it has a default 4X4
and you increase its size and start from there to make your map
and 1 square is 1 meter^2
by default
The blocks definitely arent accurate to scale, because by their logic, an Allo's comes up to 2m, and compared to the old human model, Allo was definitely taller than that
Yeah but, think about it if humans were only one square tall, would you say in game humans are 1 metter tall or would you say the game is just down scaled
i count 10
So either the human model was downsized, and reminder, it's just the ue4 test dummy which stands at 1.8m
and half for the tip of the tail
Human if right scaled to rex would end up being only 1 square
Or the blocks are inaccurate
dragon use the shadow for scale
but the shadow are generated content
how big the shadow is isnt really how big the model is
and the rex seems bigger because it is closer to the cam then the ground
That could mean that in game models are just all downsized ignoring the game engine scales
or that
yeah I think they tried to accurately scale the dinosaurs in relation to each other, not the tiles
It Will not be the first case (sotc for example)
If the tiles were 1m each, Dilo's back should be a lot higher up on the top picture
mm humans are only 1.5 meters
Same with Utah for that matter, whom is taller then a human ingame, but next to the cubes, is Apparently shorter
Standard ue4 height for humans are 1.8m
Merc model is just a skin pasted onto the base model
So height shouldn't have changed
umm
no
the skin it self could have binded to a model with scales
so it could be changed
@barren zephyr dont know why no one support your suggestion
Rex gets destroyed by the ocasional sub rex
What.
Just ask in #401464048610312195
A rex is stronger than a giga..
i destroyed a rex that can alt as a subrex pair
A giga just can not get biten by rex
basic isle community responses smh. ofcs 80% of rexes are dumb
I ain't no basic Isle boi
giga does 100 bleed to a rex in 2 bites
If they are in a head on fight the rex will always win
As It should be
does that mean it is better?
Yes
u want giga to kill a rex head on? lmao
so the bear is a better hunter than the wolf cuz it can take on larger prey?
A dilo cant kill a trike head on but no one says trike is good nor dilo is bad
U suggest to nerf the giga when it is already weaker than the rex
It is fine how it is
it isnt
a giga isn't weaker than a rex, it's niche lies somewhere else
Giga fucks anyone that isnt a rex
smh its destroys 20 allos
and in a 1v1 fight it will lose
exacly dragon
but that doesn't mean it's worse
giga is second best
Giga should fuck anyone else
If thats is fine idk what you think could be not fine
it legit has the advantage over rex in anything but dmg and speed
Rex just doesnt fuck half of the dinos due to its ridiculous short stam
yes apexes definetly need to be untouchable
And that is a problem? Considering DMG and speed are the most important factors
wrong
Even diablos can scape rexes
they are apexes yet they are just 6hrs of afk @carmine goblet
lol here we go again
If a diablo can scape a Rex, Rex is definitely fine
guys move it to isle discussion plz, this isn't even about a suggestion anymoe
@barren zephyr what are you trying to argue now?
it's just plain arguing who's better
Yes move It to isle discussion
ur trying to say giga is fine/underpowered when its not and im trying to prove how wrong that is when giga's only threat is rex
@carmine goblet
its can endure the rex like its supposed to
Lets see the giga wins/loses: oh 13 wins/1 lose
is he really using Dm as a point 
Amon i beg you to ask to the whole isle community in the isle discussion chanel, they will tell you the truth
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Arcialga I said do u wanna DM me so you can tell me why without filling this chat up
Dm is pointless. viability isnt about being able to kill a rex
meh its a suggestion discussion
Yes seriously go to disscusion
Dude just tell me why
Its just a discussion about which dino is best
i did scroll up
@carmine goblet
Thats no suggestion discussion
fine im done with this. giga players really dont know how to play giga
@toxic jewel why mussarus though
Im guessing that was a troll suggestion
I mean, the only thing I could see being unique about it is its shift from four legs to two legs as it grows up
It's entirely possible they want it to be added legitimately
We already have plateo, and the devs dont seem to be in a hurry to add any prosauropods
Even then, plateo seems better fit as AI anyways
No it can't unless trike got a buff
trike destroys giga
giga kills it in 3 bites
^
@summer mist Both would need some kind of unique mechanic, or else they would just be a reskin of Allosaurus and Giganotosaurus respectively.
^
Carcharo is just a giga, even more giga than acro is
Which is a shame because Carchar > Giga
I dont mind i like both the same
In all seriousness I like both aswell.
But I honestly can't think of much to make them both playable unless one is a skin or an "echo fighter"
Understood the reference yeah carcha is to giga like tarbo to rex
yeah carcha if you look in size not that much smaller than giga and rexy , so this guy goulg be top mid tier make him faster that a giga im most ways bite quicker run faster in all juvi sub and adult , with the mega he could be an interesting one to use was the first dino to ever be discoverd and alot is unkown about it so you could do anything with it really just need sum more carnis to spice things up abit?
To do that just use acro
@opaque snow There is a clock on your Character screen when you press Insert
It's tiny but it'st here
i feel like i need to come on here every day to suggest faster juvenile speeds until it happens
and to make apexes like rex and giga rely on a fast trot rather than a ridiculous ambush speed
and stealth, less stepping sound volume
@willow zealot Oro and Taco juveniles/hatchlings would be incredibly tiny, near microscopic.
...
what’s the point of adding them
Okay, so then why would that be a good idea?
First is not a a realism game
Second if this game was realistic giga would run at 50 km h
Third i dont want be useless for hours
??
anyways, juveniles should be more viable and have increased growth time
match their speed to something closer or on par with adults
Why would they have increased grow time? They are actually painful
they will eventually anyway, apparently
That has never been confirmed
sure bud 
Show me, show me when It has been confirmed
go through old streams of Dondi’s i don’t have to source myself here. ask anyone who’s been here more than a year/ year and a half.
i’m not bullshitting you
juveniles need to be more in line with adult speeds or have much better stamina, with adults relying on a brisk trot speed and only relying on sprinting in shorter bursts than what they have now.
hiding can only do so much for a player, especially with foliage not rendering for everyone the same.
plus staying with a traveling group is more fun than afk growing
On what you said about sounds...
and stealth, less stepping sound volume
i figured as much, that’s awesome
and growing juvies should require an incredible amount of food and risk having their growth stunted if they can’t meet the demand
make them viable to collect those resources
have them popping up more around the map that way too, maybe carnivores wouldn’t be scraping for AI all the time
they’re not more combat capable, just more mobile
like the carno juvenile, but that’s an extreme end of this spectrum
and carnos already grow fast so it hardly matters
growth should take longer for them 100%
and then shit like dryo and galli can stay the same perhaps
I feel like most of those issues you're bringing up will be solved when more AI dinos are added in and after the recode is implemented.
Fixing a lot of that now would seemingly be a waste of time if it's in the pipeline anyway.
maybe. but more, larger AI will start to feel a little too oppressive for the juveniles we have in this current state
More larger AI = more corpses/gore piles from the grown up carnivores = more food for the solo juvies to scavenge. Ideally anyway.
and it doesn’t solve the issue of structuring the game in a way where juvenile stage feels less than totally helpless and more capable of interacting with the ecosystem
ideally yes, you have a good point there
but i also think it’s appropriate to ask more of the juvie player
there’s no reason all mid to large tier dinosaurs shouldn’t have a more lithe or gracile juvie stage like rex does
aside from the work that goes into making it so
everyone knows it’s boring, this is what i think it needs to remedy that
the only thing keeping huge ass discords from farming trikes is the rules against mix-packing and herd sizes. if you take that away it goes back to being a boring AFK grow because they’ve eliminated all risk
that baryonyx doc made me excited for water/swimming overhaul
Yeah that writeup is really well done
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What @blazing charm put in #general-feedback
it’s nice, i think it would fit well
but yeah what i stated up above is probably the most important aspect of the foundation of this game to me that needs addressed
and i’ll probably keep coming back with revisions for a long time until it is or someone tells me to shut up lol
@blazing charm what’s the new information on spino?
i see i see
why on earth would anyone be against the ai species being able to nest? People play as em sometimes and I don't see why it wouldn't be super quick and easy to implement. I'd even be totally cool with the babies just being small adult models if they didn't want to give it devtime
I want baby tacos NOW
Okay so maybe now baby tacos will be the size of Yorkies instead of dire wolves
petition to call them street tacos
baby tacos/oros/velos might be too small to be visible/viable food for preds tho
Hatchlings in general are useless food just dont eat them lol
Not being viable food for lazy nest thiefs is no reason to deny us baby tacos
but what about being too small to see tho
actually
what size are baby utahs?
they could be that size maybe
Baby utahs are about the size of an adults toe
Itd be acceptable size for taco babs
So? Should utahs and austros and dryos not be able to breed either because the hatchlings don't provide a lot of food?
i'd honestly take their breeding just spawning adults for tacos and oros, hatchlings would be better but slapping that on real fast would be better than nothing at all
If you look at a baby taco and think "hmmm food" you dont deserve it anyway lol, thats like if i ate a butterfly and bitched about still being hungry after
dilo jump is a no from me dog
tbh even pachy jump is kinda redundant
they can be just fine without them
Dilo really doesn't need jump. It does fine the way it is and there's no reason to give it a jump, even a shitty one.
no one is against the small AI nesting, it’s that it isn’t pertinent @paper oriole @night mountain
if no one will ever play them in survival mode then it isn’t important
you’re gonna come across players that will shoot down those sorts of suggestions because we have other priorities when it comes to what we think needs to come to the game. it’s nothing against the suggestions themselves
little tacos would be really cute, no one’s arguing against that
maybe!
i'd personally play a taco, i love them
mods too! hopefully:)
i can't even kill the ai ones most of the time because they're too cute lol
you would play taco?
yes
aggression isn't my type of gameplay so i'm the type to play something passive and weak like a taco
i didn't join while progression servers were running, i've just played as one via injection or sandbox
they’re hell, so is oro. i’ve only had a good time playing them on mods. the game doesn’t accommodate them well
the creatures were modded to be better suited for survival, it was cool
some day tho i hope they're an option. it'd be a pretty harmless thing to do once the more important stuff is out of the way
i know they can be hell lol honestly i had a worse time as a velo than a taco in survival
oro should have a jump imo, even if it's a small one, taco maybe should have its speed upped to juvie utah sprint level at least, but they have potential to be a good hider with their size, texture and (maybe in the future) skins
yeah sure!
they don’t need super speed because when they get into brush you loose track of them really quickly, old taco in progression was certainly viable in terms of evading predators but getting food and water was a suicide mission
yea their camoflage is a good counterplay, plus they can be hard to hit
they are also fast enough to juke some juvies, they should be able to enter burrows also imo
for sure
oro and velo are both the right size to enter them, so if they eventually get added to survival both should be able to get in
dilo should have adult galimimus' current (bugged) jump
it's a pretty pathetic jump honestly, but i mean look at dilos legs they aren't very strong looking lol
Oro and velo have no chance of being playable, if that's youre talkin about by "added to survival"
Though it'd be neat if ai velos entered burrows
let me dream okay
they're too small i'm sorry
Does priority even factor in? idk about game development but wouldn't making them breed be as easy as like just copying breeding from like avas or whatever since breeding works identically as far as I know
i mean if it really is that simple i don't see any reason not to add it
same with sniff for some of the sandboxes, I don't get why they don't have it slapped on, even if they don't have the actual animation play yet or whatever. Not like sniffing isn't identical for everything. (thats whatever though since its happening eventually)
yea seems like it'd be a relatively quick and effortless thing to add, no harm would come of it
personally i hope all dinos make it to survival eventually, well all except like the brach and stuff i can see why that wouldn't be a thing
yeah, im not too broken up about anything being ai though as long as its at least functionally playable in servers like all the current ai is
would be bummed if there were ai species that were straight unplayable though
(hoping even fish are to an extent lmaoo)
if somebody wants to be at the bottom of the food chain (taco) just let 'em, they aren't hurting anybody
it's the peak of the whole "horror" aspect to be so weak and slow
well tacos and oro are playable just go to a sandbox server
The army of oro
or get injected yea.. but having them be selectable in survival would be a harmless edition
or just a server that will spawn you as em
One day you log on and see 50oro
whatre they gonna do, bite the dead skin off a utah's ankles?
Run around in circles
i just think they need breeding so that way they arent survival persay bt theyre still around and getting nested in is doable, even if they aren't in the normal starting menu
Making alien markings on wheat fields
now the reason why oro and tacos are not playable in survival it be confusing for the player base. if you see an oro the question is it ai or an actual player.
like someone correct me if im worng but wouldn't giving them functional but maybe a bit weird looking breeding be basically just copy pasting existing code?
The problem with that is that devs would need divert resources to model the hatchlings and juvi version of it
And the fact they doing recode
just make em small
Is umm
like just shrink the model
Time consuming
not ideal but whatever
or just be like avas where its an adult
better than nothin imo
im not saying to make it priority number one
well right now there is no need to give taco and oro nesting because they are not survival dino or any reason to give them the ability to spawn in hatchling or spawn people as them
But if they come in as an April fool s joke or something
It would be awesome tho
You just log on to where you have a Rex
i mean eventually, between big projects, it could be done
obviously not now when they are working on so many big and important things
yeah thats fine, honestly the stuff i want the most is the stuff theyre working on rn anyway
i dont see it happening anytime soon, they are currently working on new things and adding mechanics to the game and new dinos
yeah tbh what i want most are new water mechanics/fish/ptero/deino so im very chill with where development is haha
Why does everyone want deino to be able to drag stuff into the water? It would be so broken.
@night mountain
That is actually what a T. rex would sound like
A low pitch grumbling
That vibrates the very bones in your skull
Apparently they can transfer message for a few kilometres in that way
oh yea i saw that
theres a video on youtube that theories what a t.rex
i can get if you want
"Why does everyone want deino to be able to drag stuff into the water" because thats the entire point of being a crocodile
thats like saying we should add spino but leave it unable to swim, or add in ptera but have it so it can only fly for like a couple seconds
^^
it'd be easy to avoid anyway, if you're that worried about deino drink out of somewhere really show or a stream or something
shallow*
And it’s not like deino will be common or anything
I can kinda agree with @golden shoal
there is too much of a disparity between herbi and carni populations
I play on Isla Nycta mostly now, and the server population can field 200 people. I would not be surprised if the pops were 40 / 60 or higher swinging carnivores way. When I used to play on official, the massive zergs of utahs, dilos, and other fast (swarm) carnivores was completely insurmountable.
I play on Isla Nycta as well and I agree, it seems much better on those servers
not sure if it's due to the higher pops or something else tho
Yuck nycta
Also why should there be more reason to play herbs?
This is prob also the reason why dondi said loong ago they would make all herbs ai
Dont know if thats still planned tho
Wouldnt make sense having currently playable herbs if they are going to be ai
@shell willow dont make ai spawn based on hunger even if It only spawns at 0 is just free food, make ai spawn randomly around the map
I have a feeling that current game, that would be buggy, and honestly free food will only last for so long
I'm suggesting that smaller dinos would be able to survive on ai but they can't grow a pack and depend on it, and apexes do not need to be surviving on ai at all
idk how it'll work in the future
an apex should not be able to survive on ai alone
But
then again an apex can't take on a herbie .. because you never see herbies alone
I mean very rare
imagine a sub rex or sub giga... trying to get something to eat after 4/5 hours.. and you get head on with 4/5 trikes
and some apexs dont want to babysit
and wont
who wants to stay 6hours next to someone to protect till they grow
that's not how this works... in other games it's normal.. in this game.. it's not
but on the other hand.. herbies will babysit without a problem
so.. that itself makes a huge gap and a huge problem
so that's why an apex can survive on ai
and all people hate apex.. so more or less all players will kill a juvie rex or juvie giga without a fuss
the thing about hunting is
you're supposed to play it out like a hunter... no one is stupid enough to run through a herd and just attack willy nilly, people have watched at least 1 nature documentary about lions or whatever else. You're always supposed to pick a weak/young herd member and wait until they lag behind or get separated.
Never understood the apex hate they are mad easy to avoid
that's true.. I never died to a rex because he was hunting... I only died because I wanted to screw with it
but you cant get mad since you want the fight to happen in the first place
It's surprisingly easy to not notice an apex
I died to apexes few times but It was allways because i played dumb or even not watching the screen
@shell willow this is not discovery ... they all pick a spot next to the water and sit in 1 spot for hours till they are adults.
we don't have migrations
Only time an apex really hunt me i was on my trike(and you know what happens with trikes vs apexes)
were they have to move from N to S
Also unconscious, running through a herd is a tactic well used by smaller dinos
only by the idiotic large dinos
This is current game stuff, which likely won't matter later, and migration stuff actually does happen depending on where you play. Migration is rare on official servers because barely anyone wants to play herbi. They know the good herbi spots, and they don't leave because the carnivores can't find them. If you go on IGP, everyone knows everywhere and people are migrating and raiding herds and slaughtering all the time.
If people are smart enough not to hit each other, running through a clusterfuck to get free hits is a viable tactic
It's viable if the herd is in a panic and they aren't big enough to 1 shot you, sure
but it's not ideal
has nothing to do with panic
Trying not to damage your teammies is something a ton of people do
Had a time once where i ran straight into a herd of herbivores and sat in one of their sitting dinosaurs while biting it and the other herd members
They didnt want to hurt their friend
@shell willow I play on the official, and there are no migrations there... all herbies stay in 1 spot... either you find them.. or you dont.
most fights happen carni vs carni
Yeah that's what I said Liric
if you find the right server you'll find what you want
mmm, there was a suggestion at one point
to add AI herbies.. like trikes
and make them migrate
giving them set paths would just give carnivores even more free food
they'd just sit on the path and wait for them to stroll by
not sure a juvie will want to fight a herd
Isnt that kinda how hunting works unconscious?
Idk why a juvie would want to sit on a migration path and wait for a herd unless it wants to die
@subtle adder Why tf would herbs need ambush
Herbs are suppose to spot danger and run before it gets close OR they face the danger and defend
^^
because all ambush is, is walking quietly and putting on a bust of speed
you guys telling me a herbivore couldn't walk quietly or sprint if it wanted?
I wouldnt mind adrenaline or something else for those 3
Pachy could just get a damage boost from said adrenaline tho
Yeah give herbis a hunt oriented mechanich, im not against herbis killing but giving them hunting mechanichs is stupid
all the herbis that can crouch really don't have a use for ambush except "hey let's make it EVEN HARDER for the carnivore to catch it"
why would herbis need an ambush
I can understand adrenaline but adrenaline would only keep you alive for a little longer, not make you faster
I sure hope it makes you faster
Carni's ambush is literally meant for carnis to catch faster prey if the manage to hide well
^
jst dont call it ambush if people are gonna be anal about it
Also to catch them offguard
Instead of ambush, maybe a panic run/adrenaline rush?
adrenaline makes you more durable, so like, it would let you run further, but at the same base speed...
call it sneak and keep everything the same lmao
Thats why carno doesnt have ambush because It is the faster dino, doesnt need it
what carno has ambush
oh what really? it sure seems faster when you run
ok but it's called an ambush for a reason, so carnivores can ambush prey and catch them off guard
herbis don't need to do that, they don't need a boost, all the herbis that have the ability to crouch are usually fast enough to respond and run or have the ability to outmaneuver them and get away
It has to accelerate
Before it gets to full speed
Unconscious you can ambush something without ambush speed
i rarely successfully hunt herbivores as a carnivore
they’ve always got trike protectors
no shit
i still think it's funny people are so against a herbivore having the ability to walk slowly and quietly, or run
you don't need to have a boost to ambush something
I rarely if ever see herbivores unless I am one myself
and i get hit in the tail somehow trying to get a bite and get run down
and that too, i rarely see them unless they’re in a huge group
we aren't against the idea that an herbivore can walk quietly and slowly and run @night mountain, we have Z walk and gallis, dryos, and pachies can sneak around with their crouch
We are against the idea of the speed boost
^
Im up for it in terms of galli and dryo
why?
Less galli and more dryo
And im a mainly herbi player so i dont have any "carni bias"
whats wrong with the speed boost though? Its not like carnivores have some natural magical ability to crouch and then run fast
Galli just has to deal with carno
Galli is already one of the fastest in the game, I can see dryo maybe having a short boost, but with burrowing? I don't see much of a point or an advantage
Dryos plays around not getting seen or hididng innburrow if get seeing
i mean obv dont give it to stuff like cama or whatever
Why would herbis have a hunt oriented mechanich?
Good luck escaping that fate
Have you ever tried to catch a galli as a carno? No point
because its just running
bro multiple carnos have a hard time catching a galli, have you ever played carno trying to catch a galli, or vice versa trying not to be caught?
gali=prehistoric fidget spinner
maybe if you just run in a straight line
but if you pull your sick jukes
nO way they catch you
If you know where you are, and there arent drops or falls you have to avoid, hunting galli as carno is actually a fun and easy meal
what on earth
defining something by a name thats not even used in the game is a lame reason to not want something
Have you read our messages about the point of carnis having It? To make them able to catch faster prey if they are sneaky enought
Gallis can u-turn and pull other stuff, a carno is only good for running straight
people suggesting these things don't seem to realize that the things that catch you rarely can catch you if you juke them right, a dryo can juke a utah enough to get to its hiding spot and live
yes
of course
dryo is also 30 mins so you really can't expect a lot more
Thats easy, go for the trees
you just have to abuse the shit out of their turn radius
As galli you've got 2 choices
yeah tbh losing a dryo is nothing
Their eternal enemies
make your way to a forest or get on top of a rock
who gets mad about losing dryos tbh
The forest isnt a guarantee of survival
wow
you don't play galli like utahs..
Galli is inmortal and only dies to really skilled carnos or if the galli player is stupid
gallis are not rock bois
galli jump is awful
Still helpful
their jump is dummy thicc and they can't climb to the same heights
I think its less about losing a 30 min dino and more about how easy it is to lose it. Its kind of a trade-off though so...
no boost needed
they don't need boosts
their strength is agility
Yeah and carnos is persistence
even carnos get bored
not very
a carno will ditch a galli chase for an oro

and even if they do that will probably lead them right back to the hard hunt that is a galli
Solo carno is barely good for anything, its a shame
Carno has horrible turn rate
When soloing prey, theres only a 20% chance you'd bleed it out
?
Wouldnt be surprised if a solo utah could kill a solo carno, not because of speed but the better turning
And that 20% depends on which animal you're hunting and your method.
Assriding
Utah easily tanks carno by juking it and assriding it
Lol solo carno is only useful against solo cerato
And you have to be good to do that
doesn't take much to bleed out a cerato
bro I was a juvie utah on the beach and an allo tried to come up and spawn kill me, so I just juked around its toes until it got bored and went for an ava so I left
impatience is a part of every living person, you bet your ass a carno is gonna get distracted from a galli it can't catch
Cerato bites better tho, no? Also has good bleed resist while carno does bad bleed dmg
Cerato does bite better
Something about cerato and bleed dont mix
But carno can assride it.
carno doesn't facetank lol
Cera turns better than carno
Yes
Cerato explodes if bleeding
I literally cant name a dino other than juvies and dryos that a carno could effectively take on solo
I killed a cera as carno once, I got lucky because the thing fell and broke its leg
cerato implodes and its lungs collapse when it gets a splinter
yeah utah v carno is HEAVY in utah's favor
you can solo a carno easy so long as he doesn't escape you by running in a straight line
no it really needs the buff carno isn't good at all rn
And utah v carno aint shit in utahs favor
It ain't it can die to a utah, a galli can kick it to death if it has the patience
I think, yes carno should have bad turn, but is neccesary that bad?
idk where you got that from
you guys forget carno is the fastest fucker in the game rn
A carno definitely should not fight a utah
The only weakness ceras have other than being a jack of all trade is how easily they break legs
carno is fine
yeah it has? i have at least 300 hours of utah gameplay and i rarely lose against carno
carnos are like fuckin bees
they can sting an apex like a honeybee stings a human, but that carno can only bite it once before it dies unless the apex lets it wiggle away :)
Wunder I played enough carno to know that speed alone gets them nowhere if they cant turn
the carnos you're fighting are stupid @torpid wedge
Carno should be able to kill a utah raptor
well it is
It cant
if it's smart and uses walk turn instead of run
utah can't take bleed well
Utah can ass ride it
Unless the utah is dumb
And dodge the carno
its ambush is faster as well
utahs are fucking rats
Most players just know carno is useless :c
carno is about as good as cerato
Carno can kill dilos at most
A real shame, I really love them
honestly the best nerf to utah would be to give the model feathers because half the players would get buttmad and stop using it lmao
lol
feathers would look SICK
Yeah
agreed but we know how dem jp fanboys are
They need to add an option to enable feathers on utah
if done right i'd nut
One or two hit tho and you bleed out trying to get far enough to turn xD
Hell the isle has become a JP copycat
That rex roar
That utah 1 call
That utah design
Only good if you can surpeise the dilos
Thats the point
almost everything with a rex rips off the jp roar no matter what
But the Isle is a game
That is original
WIth its own Idea and dinosaur models
The old roar was better
that cause the rex roar is what people reconginze
I would actually love a feathered utah more
give everything a feathered option no matter what
bro just.. have the rex do the theorized super deep growl, the one where it barely opens its mouth but it rumbles
people would get mad if you change the roar
Yesh
that would actually intimidate me
even if not from jurassic park
i wanna be a trike where the frill is covered in peacock feathers so it looks 10x bigger
People wouldn't, long time fans of the isle dont give jack about the change
rn I'm not scared of rexes, I just see one and I'm like "oh hey another rex"
feathered anky too
i don't think anky where one of feather ones
ii know lol
I know
feathered raptors are so fucking cool though
i wonder if feathers could be an option like a skin
i want a feather rex too
Someone just said to give feathers optional for everything
feathered pue
I would play raptor if it had feathers
i kinda hope they would be
that was me but i was kidding
nah nah, rex wasn't THAT feathered
I know
feathered allo :OOOO
i would play feather rex
I have a friend that kept saying to have the feathered dinosaurs as an option, feathered or non feathered
rex didn't look like an oversized chicken
though granted a feathered anky of something is STILL more realisitic than the hypos so
no but they had some
The chicken has the closest DNA replica to the tyrannosaurus rex
And I laughed and continued the joke but apparently it was bad because no one got it
just how much is unknow
I don't think herbivores had feathers?
it had some, but it wasn't a walking chicken wing
Some did
Ah yes
yea i think some of the berbivores did but i'm not sure
i follow mostly in meat eaters by that the rex news
feathered titanoboa
you lost me
Also the tailspikes on taco are a kind of feather too unless I recall wrong
theri had some, I think galli had some, ornitho did, but trike and anky and all that? most likely had very few if any at all
However feathers should be an option ^^
feathered dilo
I highly doubt anky had any feathers
feathered titanoboa would be the sickest thing imaginable lmao
I wouldn't mind a feathered dilo if it were like a bird of paradise tbh
quetzalcoatl mode
lol titanoboa didn't have feathers
i know
And its only AI
Oh shit
Anky didnt have feathers so imagining one feathered is the joke
feathered megalodon
Also! Is the cannibal gonna be an AI?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Or will it be player controlled >>
wait cannibal playable?
Cannibal and tribal are the same thing and will be playabe
oh nevermined
Who knows
feathered dilo like this?
Okay then even as a REX I will piss myself if I see a cannibal
👀 👌
dudeeee that pretty