general-feedback-discussion

[flint rune]

True, or they can copy animations and make the uniqe in the future

them*

[marble ether]

@barren zephyr wut, Dilo will nearly always win vs utah in a 1v1

[ionic comet]

Trike really needs a buff imo

[barren zephyr]

@marble ether nope, Utah has more HP and does more dmg, Dilo will win only if it puts bleeds on a Utah , then runs

[ocean vortex]

wuh

[marble ether]

Which every dilo with a brain will do lol

[ocean vortex]

it all depends who gets the first hit

[barren zephyr]

You can't really run from something that's faster than you

[ocean vortex]

its that glorious first strike that defines the fight

[marble ether]

I've never lost in a 1v1 as dilo vs utah

[ocean vortex]

@barren zephyr It's not running away, that's not the point

you WANT the utah to chase you

that's how you win

[marble ether]

exactly

[junior pollen]

i dont play dilo is something wrong with it?

[ocean vortex]

no, nothing is wrong with it

[marble ether]

Just bite a utah once and wait

[ocean vortex]

it's a perfectly okay dino

[junior pollen]

Ok

[ocean vortex]

we just think it would be cool if it had a little bounce

[marble ether]

nah not necessary imo

like what would be the point o it

[barren zephyr]

If the Dilo doesn't run it loses

What do you mean you want a Utah to chase you as a Dilo?

[marble ether]

just bite it and run circles around it while it tries to bit u

It'll just bleed out doin so

[barren zephyr]

Or it will bite you

And kill you

[marble ether]

Like I.said, never been killed by a utah

Just tap it once or twice and It's dead

[barren zephyr]

I've killed a lot of Dilos as a Utah

[jovial blade]

Why would you want to play a dino that limits your gameplay

You're out only at night and a blind bat at day doing nothing

I dont see a good reason to spend thousands of dollars to make that type of dino

[barren zephyr]

IDK which dino you're talking about, but it's almost like different people enjoy different playstyles.

Oh I see the suggestion now.

[indigo sun]

Itd be basically useless for half the day, which is when everything else is active and can find and kill it

[barren zephyr]

One can argue that's how most dinos are right now, but flipped. Night vision is terrible for some dinos/people and could be considered useless at times. Nocturnal dinos could be interesting.

[indigo sun]

People can still move at night and do move at night. Unless there was some daytime version of night vision (obviously not the exact same) I couldnt see anyone that isn't a herbi wanting to sit around for half an hour, but maybe that's just me

[umbral prairie]

the difference is that at night, everyone except dilo has limited vision. If only one dino had limited vision at some time of the day, it would have a huge disadvantage since everyone else can see fine.

[barren zephyr]

A huge disadvantage during the day, sure. But one that could potentially be offset by a huge advantage at night.

I'm not sold either way, but I can see it being interesting and fun to play if done right.

[blazing charm]

@mellow sedge Mind elaborating?

[mellow sedge]

Like if two species of herbies meet they could be able to join one or the others group via invite and chat together

[hallow vigil]

the game used to have that but it got out of hand cuz herds got too big and too coordinated

[blazing charm]

Oh, that's a terrible idea.

^ What Block said.

You'd have these massive, coordinated herds that were impossible to hunt.

[mellow sedge]

Unless the herbies where limited to a certain amount like say just 6 or so

[blazing charm]

But if more members came, surely they could just pass a message on?

[hallow vigil]

plus i dont rly see a reason for herds to be that coordinated, theyre different species so they shouldnt be able to talk to each other. Panic and incoordination are the only things limiting giant herds

if they could all converse then they'd be too powerful

[mellow sedge]

Maybe just same sub-species such as trikes and dibbles

[hallow vigil]

plus then you wouldnt get things like panic-induced stampedes which are super cool to have 😦

[blazing charm]

They would still be overly coordinated

We already have people playing as trikes with Diablo scouts

[mellow sedge]

But so is a herd of like 5 trikes

[blazing charm]

Shared chat would just make it worse

A herd of 5 Triceratops is also incredibly hard to sustain

[mellow sedge]

I guess we could just go back to the local chat

[blazing charm]

Is that a shared local chat or species exclusive you're referring to?

[versed blaze]

That was enabled once and exploited I think

[mellow sedge]

Just local if u wanna group up with other herbies @blazing charm

[blazing charm]

Again, as long as they can communicate with each other, they become too coordinated

[jovial moss]

Or it could be an option in the server settings, so official can stay the way it is but different servers can choose what they want to allow

[barren zephyr]

I always like flooding ideas, @neon compass

But I do worry about a drought system causing too much trough for the eventual(?) purely aquatic dinosaurs. I'd hate to see them go belly up just because they were caught in a tight spot.

[neon compass]

True

Especially apex aqautics, such as mosa.

Or what I would assume to be apex.

[barren zephyr]

Flooding could...

• Clear nests that are too close to water sources
• Clear burrows that are too close to water sources
• Wash away gore and corpses etc. as you said
• Increase hunting/hiding grounds for the amphibious species
• Potentially let the pure aquatics get to areas they wouldn't otherwise be able to

[night mountain]

I doubt drought would hurt mosa at all, not like the ocean dries up

[shell willow]

@barren zephyr Flooding would also

• Give aquatics the advantage for a time, but if they were to forget about the water level's decrease, they could become beached and potentially die of dehydration
• Force other players into higher ground and territories, resulting in territorial fights
• Drown people who are afking in bushes and trees to grow when they aren't paying attention

Flooding over all is a great mechanic to potentially have in the game

[barren zephyr]

That all sounds good to me

@night mountain If droughts are in, there's a good chance flooding would be in too. And in the case of flooding rivers could overflow and give the mosa access to inland water routes. Water routes which could then dry up in the event of a drought.

[night mountain]

Ohhh gotcha that’d be cool

Would Krono even be okay in a lake? Feel like the freshwater would cause problems

[finite perch]

that only affects creatures with gills, it realistically might lead to some skin issues but generally? nah it'll be fine

would not recommend for real animals tho

[peak egret]

Does anyone know if the devs are thinking on a console port?

I’m working on a gaming pc and by that I mean barley started and the isle is one of the games I’m very excited to play I just wanna know if I’d be able to play on console some day with my friends

[jovial moss]

Don't think they're going to port to console

[edgy furnace]

They’re not porting to console

[solid cargo]

Can larger tiered carnivores get grappling attacks ? Such as apexes being able to grab and hold one another's snouts while in combat? Or Allosaurs and Acros being able to latch onto the sides of larger sauropods (similar to a raptor's pounce attack) for a few seconds at a time, or until the sauropod shakes them off?

Also, will trikes get the ability to lock horns with each other in jousting competitions, where it comes down to whoever's stamina runs out first?

[shell willow]

I think allo might get something like that but I'm not sure about acro because we don't have any reason to believe it'd be coming to survival

nothing is confirmed about it though

[solid cargo]

And if corpse pickup and drag is implemented, that should nullify issues of players and ai drowning themselves in water, right? Since a carnivore player could then actually retrieve the drowned corpse from the water and carry it back to land to eat?

[shell willow]

@solid cargo Bodies will also float

[solid cargo]

Yeah, but you still can't eat them if they're out in the middle of a deep pond.

[shell willow]

when all of the body carrying/floating dynamics and whatnot are added, suiciding is almost always nullified because you'll end up providing something no matter how you do it. I just hope that bodies float to the edges of the water no matter how far out they are so people don't have floating bodies out to sea.

I'm pretty sure they already planned for them to float into your reach @solid cargo as well

[solid cargo]

And will larger tiered herbivore ai be added as well, like ai gallis, maia or paras even? With many players opting for carnivores, the ecosystems on the various servers are fairly empty in several instances. And sometimes, I've gone nearly an hour without encountering another player, and even an ava or two here and there really are that sufficient to feed a starving apex or starving allo.

[shell willow]

@solid cargo I've heard so far that there are plans for Brachi ai and Acro ai, but right now, having big ai that gives more food would be a huge problem because the amount of ai spawning is enough to feed an apex if you know where to look. Eventually when the ai thing is fixed then yeah I've also heard talk of there being an ai version of every dino.

Not completely sure on that last one.

[solid cargo]

Will wind be added to the scent system, where gore piles and water sources can be detected at greater distances for animals that are down wind vs those who are upwind? And maybe add a wind indicator compass as well, telling you the direction and relative strength of the wind? Kind of similar to the compass from the classic Carnivores games.

[willow zealot]

@true meadow its goong to happen just needs more time

[true meadow]

yeeee

i hope there'll be caves in mountain tops so pteras can nest there

[barren zephyr]

So what's gonna be ptera's predator?

Cuz right now it seems like it doesn't have any

[marble ether]

@paper oriole That's the suggestion channel you just talked in, if you have anything to discuss around a suggestion do it here

[paper oriole]

Ik i was suggesting the footsteps be like that

[jovial blade]

@barren zephyr Other pteradons

[barren zephyr]

So another untouchable dino, like the Carno

[jovial blade]

I kill carnos all the time

Pteradon probably wont even be worth hunting

I'd imagine it would give fuck all food

[barren zephyr]

Then the carnos you killed don't know how to hold shift

[jovial blade]

Nope

I'm just good at ambushing

[barren zephyr]

Right

[lilac swallow]

@mellow sedge the utah's latching is planned to return

[mellow sedge]

Yay

I is the big happy

[stoic crow]

@neon compass
Nice but really hard to do, I don’t think they will do...

[lilac swallow]

@bright delta 1st alt turn
2nd giga doesnt need a chance v rex

[pale prairie]

^

giga destroys everything else in the game

most things can't escape an ambushing giga

[lilac swallow]

Giga hunts everything and runs from a rex, rex struggles to hunt anything but can kill giga, thats how It works

[pale prairie]

perfectly balanced

as all things should be

[lilac swallow]

Funny how every giga player is crying over being killed by rexes when they can just run away, while trikes cant win nor run away but trike players(at least not every trike player) dont cry

[bright delta]

@lilac swallow ah and how many [full] server have alt turn? With good rules? Igp has shit rules, was killed by 4 gigas and 5 rexes :)))

And i wanna fight rexes

[vestal rune]

official?

[indigo sun]

If youre trying to fight rexes and win as a giga, I think you're picking the wrong fights. Giga isn't really supposed to win against rexes. That's its only bad match up.
Also yeah, official servers

[lilac swallow]

Official are all full

If you wanna fight Rex just play rex

[vestal rune]

you can usually get in

[pale prairie]

soon, all servers will have alt turn.

[indigo sun]

I really hope that just comes with the recode cause then "server x doesnt have alt turn and thats what I play on" wont happen anymore

[barren zephyr]

I mean they can still have rules in place that don't allow it

[indigo sun]

True

[keen trail]

Responding to keit; imagine you chilling with your friends as like dibble or something then you hear a twig snap in the woods, you all start running and a juvie Utah walks out

[wintry cipher]

HAH. Yes that kind of stuff would add to the horror aspect of the game and keep you guessing

Just sound in general needs to be capitalized on to get people antsy. On one side, the person who stepped on the stick is scared they'll get found out. Like a juvie. On the other hand, the one hearing the stick snap might want to run away rather than find out what is there.

Encourages more care in movement and good stalking skills

[barren zephyr]

@keen trail from my understanding that is the exact opposite of what devs are trying to achieve. Mixed species groups are fun for those involved but unrealistic even for this game and a menace to others. Not hard for your friends and you to be the same species or use discord for communication on those other servers.

[keen trail]

Have you ever seen a hypo

[barren zephyr]

...I've been playing this game for over 3 years.

[keen trail]

Ok

[barren zephyr]

I've played as one

[keen trail]

Ok

They are unrealistic, am i wrong?

[random knoll]

one haivng everyhting be able to be in a group would cuase a shit show

with rexes working with gigas and other carnis

[keen trail]

And are they not a menace?

[random knoll]

you cant play as a hypo anymore

only devs can

[keen trail]

I know

[random knoll]

they caused chaos

[barren zephyr]

You can't compare the two honestly. One is a unique game aspect that adds excitement. The other is literal cancer.

[random knoll]

are were taken out for the time

plus hypos are for the lore

[keen trail]

My suggestion would be mainly for sandbox ffa servers

[random knoll]

and are bassicly dinos on drugs

[barren zephyr]

Then use global?

[random knoll]

global chat is noramlly a thing on snadbox

[keen trail]

Ok use global for stalking lol

[random knoll]

thats why global sint in surival

[barren zephyr]

Or use discord since you have an account clearly

[keen trail]

Not everyone does, and not everyone is in this server

[random knoll]

use global then

like

[barren zephyr]

or just don't have mixed packs

[young dust]

Mixed packs are stupid and aren't even needed honestly

[keen trail]

Mixed packs are fun tho

[barren zephyr]

Not for anyone else

[random knoll]

most people hate mix packs

[keen trail]

Well I assume everyone would do it?

[barren zephyr]

Like I said, just be the same species. Not hard.

Uh no they wouldn't

Back in the day they didn't

[random knoll]

if you are in sandbox global is a thing

in surival it has no place

[barren zephyr]

^

[keen trail]

I literally just said it would be mainly for sandbox

[random knoll]

global

you dont need to all be in a group

[barren zephyr]

There is no reason for it in sandbox either though like legit

It's pointless

[random knoll]

most snadbox also have names

[keen trail]

Ok you try to stalk someone in global see how it works out

[barren zephyr]

Okay you play the game and hunt normally and see how it works out

[keen trail]

Names disappear when you’re crouching. Crouching is how most people sneak up on things

[young dust]

Discord literally takes 5 seconds to download it's not hard to get people to download it and play as the same dino mixing packs is again stupid and unnecessary

[barren zephyr]

Dude we've played this game long before name tags were a thing and we weren't all starving.

In fact pretty much no one was starving

[keen trail]

Can you guys just stop trying to argue with me all I did was suggest something that I thought would be a good idea

[barren zephyr]

We're telling you why it's not

[random knoll]

and we explained why it was bad

[keen trail]

Look, there’s no reason not to have it in ffa servers because people mix pack in those already

That’s the only thing I even expected it to be a part of, ffa sandbox

[barren zephyr]

Let's say it's a server option yeah? Other servers would use it beyond sandbox FFA

And it'd be awful

[keen trail]

Well then you don’t have to play on those servers

[barren zephyr]

Not the point my dude

[still temple]

if u want mix packing then play on unofficials

[keen trail]

who said it’d be on officials?

[barren zephyr]

He's asking for group chats between species

Not mixed packs themselves

[still temple]

o ic

grp chat between species would be cancer

[keen trail]

How

[young dust]

Either one would still be stupid, legit just use global...

[barren zephyr]

The fact that not even herbivores can group together outside of their species anymore tells you how bad group chat was.

For carnivores? Hell no

[still temple]

easily abusable

[barren zephyr]

That too

[still temple]

utah and carno scouts + apexes at the back

[keen trail]

It’s just as easily abusable now

[random knoll]

....how

[barren zephyr]

Wait, Texas, you mentioned hunting. Are you trying to hunt those in your group? Cause I fail to see how it's relevant to a hunt

[still temple]

so you are admitting it is abusable

[keen trail]

Yeah it is abusable, anything is

[still temple]

then adding grp chat between species would just make the problem worse

[barren zephyr]

You said name tags disappeared but being in a group makes them not disappear when crouching I think

[random knoll]

yeah

[barren zephyr]

I'm not sure, haven't grouped in forever

[random knoll]

even if someone in ya group is crouched you can still see them

[keen trail]

If your in a group with someone then it wouldn’t matter if you saw the name tag or not

While they were crouching

[barren zephyr]

So you're trying to hunt those in your group? Cause you keep mentioning stalking and I'm a bit confused

[random knoll]

yeah

[keen trail]

No

Holy crap

[random knoll]

what do you acttauly want this for?

[barren zephyr]

Then what do name tags matter in terms of hunting?

[random knoll]

in cofnused af

[keen trail]

Look what I meant is you could have like a dilo and Utah group, whatever mix pack idc, and you are like in a group with them

As if you were the same species

[random knoll]

no thats cancer

[keen trail]

And you can use the group chat to talk to each other if you want

[barren zephyr]

just play the same species, use global, or use discord

[keen trail]

How is it cancer

[random knoll]

use global

[barren zephyr]

How long have you played this game, btw?

[keen trail]

You can’t stalk people in global

[barren zephyr]

WHY is stalking even mentioned? This is where it throws us off

[random knoll]

then use local?

then only your kind can see it

[keen trail]

If you say “hey let’s kill that allo over there” in global what is going to happen

[random knoll]

use local then

or be the same spicies

[keen trail]

Local is same species only

[barren zephyr]

Message them on steam, use discord, only talk to your own species

[indigo sun]

Then use discord to say "hey, lets kill that allo"

[barren zephyr]

This is not difficult

[keen trail]

Yeah but not everyone has discord

[barren zephyr]

Everyone got steam

[random knoll]

it takes a few seconds

[indigo sun]

Use steam

[young dust]

Again it takes 5 seconds to download discord.....

[indigo sun]

Or even google hangouts works

[keen trail]

I don’t think you guys even know what I’m saying

[barren zephyr]

No we know exactly what you're saying unless you're not clarifying

[pulsar lake]

A giga can so fuck up a rex if rex don't have attention.

I've killed some rex after his turn nerf

[barren zephyr]

Like okay tell me if I'm off here: you want group chat between species to coordinate hunts WITH them, right?

[keen trail]

What I’m saying: different dinos can be in the same group (a group as in you have name tags over your head, you have a group chat in game) so that it’s easier to play on servers that allow mix packing

Yes, WITH each other

Hunting together

[jovial blade]

Mix packing is disgusting

It remove's dinosaurs weaknesses

I don't like it

[young dust]

I dont see a point in using group chat to coordinate hunts when it would be 1000x easier to just use discord

[jovial blade]

Example is rex mix packiong with gigas

Gigas will do the bleed

rex's raw damage and bb

[barren zephyr]

Okay I'm gonna come off as rude here for a min but: mixed packs should not be an option for a successful hunt. If you need a scout, a bigger bite, etc to complete a hunt, that's on you. You should be able to take down things that are appropriate for your species to hunt with others of your species.

[keen trail]

Alka we know, you love discord, nice, but not everyone likes using voice chats either

[indigo sun]

Or use literally any other free communication app/website that exists

[young dust]

^

[keen trail]

This is not even about the chat part

[young dust]

This is exactly about the chat part....

[keen trail]

Were talking about the grouping in general

[barren zephyr]

If you wanna advocate for mixed pack chats, you're advocating for mixed packs, and are gonna get opinions on them.

[keen trail]

Well you’re making it about the chat part

[barren zephyr]

@jovial blade so herbi mixpacking is disgusting too?

It removes their weaknesses aswell

[random knoll]

first off herbis get shat on

[jovial blade]

Herb is different

[indigo sun]

Herbivores dont need to hunt and theyre weak as fuck

[random knoll]

yeah

[jovial blade]

They're literally weak atm

[indigo sun]

Well, not too weak

[barren zephyr]

Apples and oranges there

[keen trail]

Shant isn’t

[jovial blade]

And they can't kos on most servers

[random knoll]

i am in a big pakc atm and we still have problmes with shit hit and running us

[keen trail]

Last time I checked, Maia can 2v6 allow and win

[random knoll]

by pack i mena herbd

[barren zephyr]

Trike "weak as fuck"

Ok

[keen trail]

2 Maia vs 6 allow

[barren zephyr]

Oh yeah shant which isn't in survival so it's totally relevant

[jovial blade]

@keen trail 3 gigas can wipe a whole herd

[random knoll]

ive seen 4 gigas wipe a whole herd

[keen trail]

That’s gigas

[indigo sun]

Trike gets shit on by other apexes, from what I've heard countless times

[jovial blade]

Even 2

[barren zephyr]

No shit, only Gigas and Rexes can wipe herds

[jovial blade]

As solo giga

[barren zephyr]

That's why they're there

[jovial blade]

i killed shant and trike

[random knoll]

and there a fuck ton of apxes

[keen trail]

I was a trike and I 1v3 rex and almost won

I was the only trike

[random knoll]

shit rexs then

[barren zephyr]

Also, almost

[jovial blade]

Plus as herb you're mostly on defensive

[barren zephyr]

Or Trikes are not as weak as you think

[jovial blade]

its different then mix packing and actively hunting regularly

[keen trail]

Trust me trikes aren’t weak

[barren zephyr]

I don't mind mixed herding for the use of safety in numbers but I'm not a fan of different species carebearing

[indigo sun]

Herbivores are not actively seeking out things to kill. They spend more time defending than they do going after another species

[jovial blade]

^

[keen trail]

Well I didn’t say it had to be herbi and carni packs

[barren zephyr]

^

Lol Nines, do you even play this game?

[jovial blade]

If you play herb just to kill shit play carni

they do it better

[barren zephyr]

I've gotten rushed by Herbies more than Carnies

[jovial blade]

LOL wtf

What server you play on

[barren zephyr]

Andre, how long have you played this game

[jovial blade]

Usually herbs aren't that popular

[random knoll]

there not

[barren zephyr]

150hrs

[indigo sun]

Aggressive herbivore players exist mate. But its not their role in the ecosystem

[barren zephyr]

And yet I got killed more by Herbies as a juvie Carnie than Carnos

Herbivores constantly have gotten the short end of the stick for YEARS.

[random knoll]

herbis kill juivs to protect themselves

my herd used to let juvis live

untill they satrted growing and coming back to kill us

[barren zephyr]

And yet Nines says they don't actively seek out shit to kill

[random knoll]

most of the time hebris dont

beaucse its a big mistake

unless you are good or have aherd willing to follow

[barren zephyr]

Dunno what servers you play on but maybe you should try something else out cause #notallherbies

I've gotten attacked by a Herbie every time I encountered one

It's almost like you're a threat

[random knoll]

stay away form them then

they have a right to kill u if you get close or are spotted

[barren zephyr]

It's almost as they actively seek things to kill

[indigo sun]

Herds dont roam very often. If they do see something, theres a chance theyll kill it because they dont want it killing them. Just stay away from herbivores
Also, yes I do play this game. I have 331 hours.

[random knoll]

just beacuse there hebris dosent mean they cant kill off stuff that will kill them later on

[barren zephyr]

Andre do you ever play herbivore by chance?

Yeah I'm playing Herbie rn

Then you should understand their behaviors. Carnivores shouldn't be let off easy because they're not actively hunting. They're always a threat and shouldn't go near herbivores unless hunting

If they run you down, sucks, it's because they're trying to ensure their safety

[jovial blade]

Yep carni's are usually roaming the map

unless you're small tier that can rely on AI

[keen trail]

Or a spino

[jovial blade]

Spino has a shit ton of hunger lol

[barren zephyr]

Also just saying on realism servers we were practically forced to kill off young carnivores to make sure they didn't hunt us later. It just makes sense.

[jovial blade]

it can sit in a lake for years

LOL

I hate realisim servers

I prefer semi

[barren zephyr]

Good 4 u bud

[jovial blade]

Its more chill

[barren zephyr]

I don't play on em either but I'm saying there's a semi-realistic element to killing off potential predators early on

I'm just telling about my experiences against Herbies as a Carnie, they do actively hunt Carnies

[keen trail]

Almost everytime I see spino it’s at a lake and I can come back an hour later and it has maybe moved to a nearby lake if it’s not still in the same pond

Oh and utahs

[random knoll]

this is getting a bit off #general-feedback-discussion

[keen trail]

I swear Utah players who just sit on rocks waiting on a juvie to pass by

Yeah

[indigo sun]

I was just about to say this is getting offtopic

[random knoll]

we can move this convo to #401464048610312195

[barren zephyr]

Loops back to mixed species chat
It's a no from me dog.

[jovial blade]

I play on a server where herb's are mostly defensive

If they have a nest down they can be more aggresive

[keen trail]

I play on isla nycta 3

[jovial blade]

if a pack attacks same herd twice the herd can keep on chasing them down

[barren zephyr]

@half shale I like that idea. Maybe bring down the teeth, claws, bones of things you've killed too. Decorate the burrow with the remains of your enemies.

[indigo sun]

I'll also have to say no to mix packing.
I also like the idea of bringing things into burrows. They feel so empty

[jovial blade]

They need to add nesting

in burrows

Smh

[barren zephyr]

Wanna decorate my home damn it

[keen trail]

I’m gonna suggest something we can talk about

[jovial blade]

A dryo family in a burrow

I'll die of cutness

[barren zephyr]

Agreed

[indigo sun]

I'd love to create a little pile of sticks to lay on

[barren zephyr]

If moss was a thing, put that on top

[jovial blade]

They need to add nest making

Will be fun

Going out and fetching sticks

and leaves

[barren zephyr]

Ooh making a dope nest to attract a mate

[jovial blade]

For the big carnis

Maybe a small hole

for nest lol

Being huge af I think your only way to nest is digging a hole

and putting eggs in there

[barren zephyr]

"look at this one bed one bath burrow I dug out for you bb, it's got wifi"

[keen trail]

Lol

[random knoll]

Karen plz i got sticks

[barren zephyr]

Lmfao

[jovial blade]

Lmao

Karen plz mate with me i got the sticks from far up the mountain

[barren zephyr]

I will accept no less that a nest lined with flowers thanks

[jovial blade]

What about pteradon hatchlings

i want to puke fish guts into my babies mouth

[barren zephyr]

I mean wolfquest has that mechanic

Why not

[indigo sun]

Just once, i want to pick up my baby as a pteranodon and yeet it off of the cliff I'm nesting on. Only once, and I'll be satisfied

[keen trail]

Force it to learn how to fly

[barren zephyr]

Starts sassing you and you just.. YEET

[jovial blade]

Lol as soon as they hit juv

have them all learn to fly

off a clif

Fuck i cant wait for pteradon

[barren zephyr]

"I know I said I was gonna raise you to adulthood but frankly I'm sick of your shit have fun" pushes off cliff

[jovial blade]

Im nesting in that big rock thing between the ocean

[indigo sun]

I'd love to be up there, looking down on everything

[barren zephyr]

@zinc void nice name also what do you mean mark?

Idk how that'd work

[indigo sun]

Like, a way to know where your kill is, before its turned to gore presumably

[random knoll]

like a secnt marker

[zinc void]

idk maybe scratch it with your claws?

that too

[barren zephyr]

Unless you could like.. okay so I'm gonna reference wolfquest again but they have pink smoke rising from carcasses. If you claimed one, that could be a marker

Yeah a scent marker

[zinc void]

ye thats what i meant

[barren zephyr]

And you can see those scent markers from pretty dang far away

[zinc void]

id say up to at least 50-55 meters

[indigo sun]

I frequently lose my food while getting water, so a way to sniff out a body to find it agaon would be nice

[barren zephyr]

Maybe depending on your species sense of smell

[zinc void]

^

[barren zephyr]

The distance I mean

Like say, you've got really good night vision, so the trade off would be a shorter scent-marker distance

Idk just a thought

[zinc void]

yeah

[barren zephyr]

May wanna edit your suggestion and explain the scent marker idea because a vague suggestion will probably be ignored but I like the idea a lot

I know I know, another poop idea....

But maybe we could drop a 💩 near a corpse, or anywhere for that matter, and be able to scent it from far far away. Like we humans do a good job of IDing our own farts, so maybe a dino could ID its own poop from km away.

Use that to mark a corpse or any point of interest.

[jovial blade]

lol

[indigo sun]

no

[jovial blade]

Last poop suggestion everyone got mad

[vestal rune]

I have a cool poop idea

[barren zephyr]

pooooooooooooop

[indigo sun]

no poop goddamnit

[vestal rune]

use poop to kill yourself

[barren zephyr]

war flashbacks to poop everywhere in zoo tycoon 2

please no

it uh, looks like shit

[vestal rune]

watch PoT add poop and a wave of poop lovers migrate to PoT

[barren zephyr]

I moderate POT and I'll personally make sure that doesn't happen

Lmao

no poop in my good Christian Minecraft server

[clever leaf]

scat obsession in this fuckin server

[barren zephyr]

Big yikes

It's almost like there are very few options for ideas when it comes to animals. They're either eating or pooping. That's all they freakin do.

[vestal rune]

@cedar rover making a good game that would actually make spino fun is way more important

[indigo sun]

Spino will become a priority when the devs make it a priority. At the moment, the recode and two current dinosaurs coming to us seem to be the priority

[barren zephyr]

Not just that but "make this a priority" isn't really a suggestion

[vestal rune]

wait 2 current dinos?

ptera and stego?

[indigo sun]

Ptera and stego have both been worked on almost equal amounts

From what I've seen

So safe to assume they're the top priority dinosaur wise

[barren zephyr]

Recode, new dinosaurs > one we've had for years being redone and implemented when you can still play it on sandbox

[cedar rover]

Pte food not even done how thats priority i dont know

Spino At least can eat

[indigo sun]

More of a priority than spino, considering it doesnt even have a new model

[barren zephyr]

@pearl rapids wanna reply to suggestions in here so we can discuss it

[pearl rapids]

heh thought I am in isle-discussion

[indigo sun]

Also. What do you think theyre working on? Making it easier to implement stuff like fish by creating a better foundation for the game.

[barren zephyr]

Lol no worries

And this is what I've always thought but mechanics >>>

New game-enhancing features that make a huge impact long term are more valuable

[cedar rover]

To you right

[pearl rapids]

So on topic of rushing spino - recode is a priority atm, though animators work on other stuff alongside (they are still busy with stego).

Fish needs to be in first though otherwise we will have sucho v2.0, and that's coming likely sometime after recode

[cedar rover]

I just want to have spino i can select with out paying for it at server owner

Its my fav dino😁

[barren zephyr]

That's fair

But if you need a fix theyre in sandbox at least!

[cedar rover]

True agree

[indigo sun]

Then unfortunately youve gotta be patient and wait for them to make spino a priority

[cedar rover]

I gtg nice chat peace

[barren zephyr]

At least we've got some dope ass concept art to get hyped over

Cya!

[cedar rover]

👍

[versed blaze]

And a new map. 😉

[barren zephyr]

Hoping it's good

@barren zephyr forgive my ignorance and I'm probably gonna sound stupid here but wouldn't binocular vision be 100% unrealistic? Not that this game is based in realism but that seems like one hell of a perk

[violet magnet]

...how would that look in-game versus the camera we have now?

[barren zephyr]

Probably the same way it looks on Skyrim when you aim with a bow

Yeah if it was put in as a zoomable perk that'd be unrealistic as animals can't simply manually zoom in the way we do with a camera lens.

What Caia said. It could be like you hold a button and your FoV narrows and zooms in.

[violet magnet]

you could have a first-person view where you'd see through the eyes of your dinosaur and have binocular vision that way

maybe

[barren zephyr]

I feel like that'd be a thing better reserved for humans but it's not a bad idea by any means

And yeah I couldn't see it working outside of first person

I keep mentioning WolfQuest today but I'd love the easy transition from first person to third person that it has

I wish the game had first person, but allegedly Doni said no so

[vestal rune]

have you seen how much the head moves of dinosaurs?

[barren zephyr]

Rip, dunno how your sight thing would work then

True on WolfQuest you pretty much move your head with your entire body as opposed to isle

There are games that have a third person zoom function that works just fine. It's like the camera moves close to your head, and everything in the distance zooms in. I can't find a gif of it though.

Can't think of an example but I know what you mean

Yeah, the head bob thing. That's a good argument against first person until you remember that just about every game with first person has a check box option to turn off head bob.

[vestal rune]

headbob?

I'm not talking about the head bobbing up and down if you're running or something

[barren zephyr]

Yeah. Bobbing of the head in first person. The up down side to side motion

I think you're talking about the sensitivity with which heads move in game right?

Like side to side

Not necessarily up and down

[vestal rune]

I'm literally talking about the intense amount of motion

[barren zephyr]

Yes, that's what I mean.

A good first person camera is rarely forced to stick exactly where the head model is as that'd just cause people to vomit all over their keyboards. There's usually (always?) an option to turn that type of movement off.

[vestal rune]

either you have first person and the models constantly clips through the camera/moves around with the model which would be incredibly frustrating

or you pull it out at a distance that it never meets the actual model, which would ruin the whole point of first person

[barren zephyr]

I think it could be implemented in a way that takes care of those issues with some setting adjustments but if it's not planned then meh

Exactly that.

It could absolutely be done correctly, but if it's not something they want to do then whatever. Game over man.

[vestal rune]

ye maybe you could succesfully add it in

but what's the point lol

[barren zephyr]

I personally like the change in view but I don't use it enough in other games to like, suggest it or show up with a sign saying "add 1st person or else"

I'm gonna stop supporting your game even though I already paid for it haha wrekt

Yeah IMO it's better suited to humans anyway. Dinos kinda need to be in third person for a game to be fun.

[vestal rune]

ye, third person also creates the idea that the dinos are more in tune with the enviroment than humans

much better awareness, which is what you'd expect

[barren zephyr]

That makes sense

[jovial blade]

They really need to add first person smh

Its annoying coming out of trees just to see

Can't even hunt properly using trees

[versed blaze]

First person won't happen last I heard.

[barren zephyr]

Yeah not getting hopes up

Do you know if it's just for dinos or if no first person for humans either?

[versed blaze]

Good question. All I heard was dinos

[barren zephyr]

I think Raenec's idea about a slight zoom (like Skyrim's archery zoom) when aiming would be really nice to have in first person for humans instead of dinos. As a dinosaur though I prefer 3rd person. In games where I play as a human, highly prefer first. I think most people would be fine without dinos having it but enjoy humans having it

@barren zephyr @vestal rune This is the general idea of what I imagine a third person zoom would look like. Similar to this, but with increased zoom.

So the zoom presumably going past his head?

Move the camera in a bit, decrease the FoV, and increase the distance at which you can see things.

moving the camera to the left so it's more centered

Could see that working without first person

Yeah, of course the little details would be changed to match The Isle. It being off to the side there is just how the camera in Witcher 3 works.

Ye I gotchu. Solid idea

[violet magnet]

the current camera is stationary above our dinos despite how much the dinos themselves move

could the stationary camera not be tied to a certain joint in the rig and be programmed to ignore movement of the model like the current camera does?

like those stationary camera rigs

https://media.giphy.com/media/MjDVlSkVLFAkg/giphy.gif

[barren zephyr]

I believe the issue they were pointing out with movement is if the camera is inside the model for a first person view, the model itself will be clipping through the camera since they move so much.

[versed blaze]

That's what I remember

[barren zephyr]

Which makes sense

Like first person was an ability years ago right

It was not fun looking at the inside of a dinosaurs eye and seeing their outline

I don't remember when it was put in or removed bc I only used it once but it wasn't a great time

[violet magnet]

drinking and eating in first-person view
🤢

[barren zephyr]

Don't want my face in a carcass personally

Water wouldn't be half bad

[violet magnet]

not even that just how much it moved

[barren zephyr]

Oh I got physically sick from the movement of it

Switched it off after maybe 3 mins

It would have to be really carefully done

[violet magnet]

you could stick the camera to the model's nose and just remove the issue of the model clipping into the camera view tho

like...it doesn't HAVE to be literally "seeing through your dino's eyes"

[barren zephyr]

Ye of course but the movements would have to be stabilized

Extra 🤢 if it's on the end there

[violet magnet]

it can be stabilized

the current camera is stable

[barren zephyr]

And honestly it would be nice if it just like, put you in 3rd person while drinking or eating to avoid that

Just automatic switch during those animations

Then back to first person when you're done

[barren zephyr]

@dusty elbow read up a bit.

[native nebula]

it's more likely we'd add an over the shoulder camera for a closer view.

[indigo sun]

oh that'd be neat

[mellow sedge]

@barren zephyr theyre gonna have u able to choose ur spawn

[indigo sun]

was that confirmed?

[mellow sedge]

Not 100% confirmed but was said on a stream im pretty sure

[barren zephyr]

spawn or suicide which ever gets me closer to friends i like to play the game with, instead of walking 30+ minutes to there location with a tiny change of actually making it. Choosing spawn point would be preferable .

@barren zephyr You should leave your dumb comments in this channel.

Dinos can't kill themselves.

And its funny that you just had the nerve to insult me because of a joke comment.

Guys...

Relax

[vestal rune]

there is definetly gonna be a spawn system with some control over where you spawn

how much this will be unknown

[barren zephyr]

I like both ideas.

• Suicide button: There are plenty of reasons you'd want to kill yourself in survival games. Pick a new dino species, get a different spawn, just having a bad day, don't want to wait for someone to take their time killing you, etc.

Being forced to find a cliff / wait till you starve / drown yourself is nothing but annoying. Realism be damned when the gameplay is nothing but annoying.

• Picking a spawn: Having a bit more control over things in a game that has quite a bit of unpredictability in it would be a nice thing.

Maybe someone enjoys playing in a certain part of the map more than others, and they'd like to spawn as close to that area as possible. If someone is being a dick a spawn camping one of the beaches, one of the other spawns could be chosen in order to completely avoid that person.

[dusty elbow]

Body clipping is ugly but maybe that would disappear with collision when we get that? Also just having the option, when stalking prey to keep line of sight would be nice rather than bush cam...

[versed blaze]

@grim urchin Are you using 7.1 surround or ??

[grim urchin]

I have tried playing with it for a few hours but it doesn't make much of a difference
I only have earbuds and I don't think they support 7.1 sound anyway, I probably need a headset

[versed blaze]

AMD processor?

[grim urchin]

Intel core i5, 7th gen

[versed blaze]

Weird

Stereo works fine for me, even behind the dino

Same proc

[grim urchin]

Yeah I'm hoping a 7.1 headset will help
but for now I need to play with a friend to catch ai for me :P

[versed blaze]

Actually, 7.1 can give issues

That's the odd part

[grim urchin]

hmmm
my friend always tells me i go in the opposite direction of the sounds too

[glass blaze]

Your earbuds might be backwards. 😛

[versed blaze]

You know, that's an obvious thing that wasn't so obvious

And it's also entirely worth a shot

[grim urchin]

Possibly for a few sessions :P but I have them in right MOST of the time

[versed blaze]

Or, it's possible something is reversed in Windows Sounds or the sound controller software

[glass blaze]

Windows does has a built-in audio test you can do to be sure.

[grim urchin]

All I've done to the setting so far is change the sound from 16bit 44100 hz to 16bit 48000 hz
afaik it makes the differences in between audio channels louder so I was definitely a lot less hopeless than before

[wintry cipher]

@jade schooner ...could be a way to prevent people crouching around constantly then if they are forced into first person mode when in ambush! then they cant see their peripherals as well as in third person. theyll either be focused on the thing they want to escape, or the thing they are hunting.

[jade schooner]

exactly

or a way like, if implemented, link the ambush ability, it'll only start to get ready once you're in the 1st person view

[wintry cipher]

could just make first person optional in third person like how we scroll in and out, but it is non-optionally zoomed in once you get ambush prepped. like how you zoom in when pulling a bow back for archery, or with guns in other games

[jovial blade]

If it let's me see properly when I'm in a tree sure lol

[barren zephyr]

am i the only one who thinks the start up isnt ear rape at all? :0

[umbral prairie]

if you turn down the output volume of your speakers/headset in general the starting sequence is less loud, but the intro is not affected by the ingame sound settings, so if you turn the volume down in game the starting sequence might be way too loud

[barren zephyr]

mmh never experienced, but gotcha

[jovial blade]

Its loud af

If your volume is only at 60 its super loud

So imagine having more then 60 volume

[native nebula]

without adjusting the volume sliders, the startup sequence is quieter than the main menu ambience. the intro will probably get reworked again for whenever the next major update is, so may look at reducing things further then.

[paper oriole]

Dont think that belongs therr @split hill

It aint a salt channel

[pale prairie]

@split hill it's not like those big dinosaurs are AI or anything

it's other players

the devs can't control that

[indigo sun]

Does he mean hypos? Cause thats all I could think of

[pale prairie]

no i think they mean they've been playing the game for a while now and keep getting killed before they reach adult

and think the other animals are AI?

[indigo sun]

Oh. Get away from populated areas then, dude. Grow somewhere isolated

[paper oriole]

I get murdered instantly upon getting a sub trike almost every time like its on queue but i aint crying, that's the nature of the game

[random knoll]

Survival

[paper oriole]

Go grow on a server with a safezone, problem solved

[pale prairie]

yeah after reading it again i'm sure they think the other animals are AI

[paper oriole]

He'll be thrilled to hear about the acro ai comin ay

[shell willow]

yeah no @split hill the huge carnivores that come to kill you are other players

hEHE

acro ai

[indigo sun]

Cant wait for that

[paper oriole]

Same

[indigo sun]

@wicked lark
Considering this is the concept art for the new spino, I think it'll look fine

[barren zephyr]

It needs googly eyes /s

[indigo sun]

Ugh, I wish I had photoshop powers to make that

[umbral prairie]

@coral jetty they are working on recoding the game at the moment, map fixes will probably be included in the recode update, not very likely they will update the game before the recode is done. Also this belongs in #401465476661641217 , not suggestions.

[wicked lark]

It does look nice, but I wish the sail looked like the image I posted. It looks more like I think the fossils suggest.

In the concept art it doesnt have much definition, but the sail is what the spoons are known for

[indigo sun]

I don't think theyre going for exactly accurate, and you can see a bit of a dip in the sail, though it's not much. And of course, this isn't final so we'll have to see what they do with the model

[vestal rune]

isn't the dip in the sail false?

so it wouldn't even be more accurate with it anyway

[jovial blade]

That's how the fossils were

it's more likey to have a dip

[brittle ivy]

This conversation is best moved to #paleotalk

[vestal rune]

ye

[jade schooner]

Idk what you mean with "much definition"

you mean the dip in the sail? Or how "noticeable" are the spines

[barren zephyr]

@cobalt summit I don't like the idea of separating player sounds from ambient ones, as players are actually part of the ambience. If you're not liking the super loud footsteps of your rex/giga/whatever, then there are ways to deal with that that don't involve adding new settings.

• Walk slower
• Stop walking for a moment
• Play a smaller dino if it bothers you that much. (Some folks like the big noisemakers precisely because they make lots of noise.)

I do like the idea of different dino species being able to hear better/worse than others. Anything that successfully creates niche playstyles is a from me. But simply lowering the ambience volume doesn't feel like the right way to go IMO.

[paper oriole]

Yeah punishing stealthy players who are smart enough to stay quiet because you arent hunting them easy enough is a no

[barren zephyr]

Possible ways to increase hearing without dampening entire chunk of the audio could be...

• Increase the range at which footsteps are heard
• Be able to hear breathing far farther away
• Hear all calls from farther away
• Maybe some species could "hear" better while laying down. Think about the old cliché of someone laying their ear on the ground to hear the sound of approaching horses. That might be more of a feeling thing than hearing though.

It could be like a breath hold button similar to what you can do while playing as a sniper in some games. Hold your breath for 10 seconds and increase your hearing temporarily.

[paper oriole]

Laying to hear footsteps and undergrowth disturbances more clearly could be neat, or a system similar to scent. Both of which require you to stay still through its duration to concentrate

[blazing charm]

Okay I am super confused, what does "doing justice" with the next Spino mean?

[thorny lynx]

I want a hybrid between terrestrial and aquatic

[barren zephyr]

Or...ooorrrrr if it's just rained/is raining and we still lose scent, we could instead maybe see ripples in small puddles if a big enough dino is walking nearby.

Seems sort of balanced in that you can only see the ripples if you're standing still, which then may make your vulnerable to whoever is approaching. So like if you're more aware of them, they can get an opportunity to become aware of you.

[thorny lynx]

Big beefy boi

Fishy boi

Gimmie my crest and long snout

[haughty cliff]

honestly i'd just lower stomp volume altogether. Elephants are scarily quiet irl--large animals with no hooves are still very quiet

[barren zephyr]

@paper oriole Be able to hear the footstep thuds much more clearly, and from farther away, while down in your burrow

[paper oriole]

Thatd also be neat, maybe some dust dribbles from the ceiling if a fatty is stamping right outside, for some flav

[thorny lynx]

Yeah, large animals have padding on their feet that stifle noise

African elephants can weigh 6 or so metric tons and they can be deathly quite.

Yet, rexes on grass be like

STOMP, SSSHT, BOOM, SHHT, CRACK, SHHT

I've noticed crouching noises for smaller animals or juveniles on grass does not sound much quieter than the walking noises.

[barren zephyr]

Yeah 10.4 metric tons is the heaviest recorded African elephant

The footsteps is likely down to the Rule of Cool instead of realism.

[torpid wedge]

idk i dislike playing apexes sometimes because i can hear nothin over the trashbags slamming against the ground

i think it should be a more mellow thump, annoying having to turn everything around you up to hear lol

[native nebula]

This is partially down to volume settings being screwy, as in the slider values in the options menu currently override the maximum level that sounds are supposed to go to. So footsteps for example are 40% louder than they're intended to be.

Steps as a whole have been in the process of getting reworked for the past few weeks though, greater range of volume between walking / trotting / sprinting and overall more muffled. the audible radius will also be much larger depending on how fast you're moving, so people will hear you sprinting from much further away, while you'd have to be within a couple feet to hear crouched movement for something like Utahraptor.

[barren zephyr]

That'll be really nice when it's implemented.

[torpid wedge]

ohh, good to hear ^^

[blazing charm]

@barren zephyr There is literally no point in doing that. Nobody is going to be threatened by another creature with their mouth slightly agape.

[barren zephyr]

ok

thats why i said it was a pointless suggestion to begin with

[blazing charm]

Then why suggest it?

[barren zephyr]

Because there aren't "literally" no reasons to use a feature like that...

Some (many?) real animals with sometimes let their mouths hang open as a way to say "GTFO" without screaming. Some just bare their teeth. That could be useful in this game if you want to communicate a threat/warning without announcing to the world where you are with a 1 or 3 call.

[blazing charm]

I mean, you could also just bite at the air.

That usually makes it pretty clear.

[barren zephyr]

that usually looks dumb and makes ppl question if you missclicked

[blazing charm]

In that case "better not go near them because they have an itchy trigger finger"

Like, no matter what if you see something biting in your general direction. That's up to you to decide if you want to risk staying near them.

[barren zephyr]

The point is that there are situations in which people might prefer a 100% clear communication of threat/warning without screaming their asses off. Therefore suggesting such a thing is perfectly acceptable.

[blazing charm]

The problem with having a quiet threaten emote is that people will always use the quieter alternative.

Which means any hunting oppertunities that could arise by tracking with sound just go out of the window.

[barren zephyr]

They'll use the quieter version unless they really want someone to eff off asap. Like volume levels indicates how pissed you are just like IRL

[blazing charm]

What's stopping someone from just, lying?

Like, even if something is close I can just keep using the quiet version.

I tell them to piss off AND I don't make any noise

It's a win-win

[barren zephyr]

Will they always see the silent threat? No
Will there be situations in which you want someone to be 100% that you're pissed? yes, and you'll likely use the louder one.
Want to threaten/warn someone who's far away? Use the loud one.
Want to threaten someone to came around a corner and stumbled across you and your corpse? Use the quiet one.

Choices man, it's all about the choices.

[torpid wedge]

i think a low growl would be cool

not heard from FAR off but you’d still hear it and get the memo

but either way its not necessary, a three call will always do the job

for me it’d be aesthetic over anything

[blazing charm]

But showing that you're "100% pissed" is just a negative compared to using the QUIET threaten.

If I am understanding this right, it would be visible/heard from a short distance, but by then they'd probably be uncomfortably close which seems like a case where you would be "100% pissed". So by that logic there is never any reason to use the normal threaten call.

[barren zephyr]

3 calling is letting people attack u

Not 100% pissed, 100% sure you're pissed. "want someone to be 100% that you're pissed" AKA want someone to be 100% sure that you are indeed pissed off and not mildly irritated.

A low growl of bared teeth = annoyed or not happy
3 call = GTFO or I'm gonna come after your arse right now

[blazing charm]

Okay, but there is nothing forcing people to use the calls in a certain way. Any kind of aggressive vocal could be used for 3 calls' purpose, without the negative reprocussion of giving away your location.

Like, I understand what you mean, it would be NICE to have more variety in vocalisations.

But my problem comes from the issues of the cost of making the animations and the sounds, and then there is the issue of people having a hard time understanding what each call means.

Because again

If I had a quieter version of a 3 call

I would NEVER use the normal one, ever.

[barren zephyr]

Forcing people? No, you're right nobody is forcing anyone to use the calls in their intended ways. But if someone wants to use a 2 call as a threat for whatever reason, that's their problem that's likely gonna get them killed

The different calls all have different meanings and if an additional call/form of communication is added in, it too will have an intended meaning that we will all be aware of.

Aight, I get the development cost thought process for sure. That's something the devs will and do factor in.

But it's not a bad suggestion at all. I would, and I guess just did, argue that it's a good suggestion.

[jovial blade]

Lol it would be nice to have a threaten that doesn't alert everything

Like sizing up

[barren zephyr]

My overall thought is that I would like more forms of commination beyond 5 buttons. Just about everything alive has more than 5 emotions that they convey in different ways.

[jovial blade]

Or raising feathers up

[blazing charm]

I'll admit, you brought up some good points.

But I'm just trying to figure out how exactly to do this, in a way so that certain vocals become obsolete. Because I feel like varying levels of "fuck off" wouldn't be all that useful.

[barren zephyr]

its more of a threaten that allows u to attack

since ur holding the attack button

[blazing charm]

Like, I will say this.

The mouth opening thing, I think is pointless. But the whole idea of vocal variety, has me thinking.

[jovial blade]

I think you should hold down the button

So the pitch gets louder

As you hold it

Sort of like you're charging it up so it starts off quiet and very loud at the end

[barren zephyr]

now that's sounds intresting

I just pictured a rex holding the button so long it just dies from exhaustion...

[jovial blade]

Also it stops you from being attacked while calling

[barren zephyr]

imagine like crocodile bellows and growls

[jovial blade]

Nah

The call would stop

How ever big the calls are now

I think it should be modified to be a bit more deeper at the start

And the pitch should get louder as you hold it

[indigo sun]

@thorny lynx I think you posted the wrong thing

[thorny lynx]

Fixed woop

[indigo sun]

there we go

[hallow vigil]

@barren zephyr no joke posts in #general-feedback pls

[barren zephyr]

Yeah I deleted it when I realized I was still in that chat

[hallow vigil]

rekt

[barren zephyr]

Still tho, idk what a shork is but I wanna see it

[thorny lynx]

It's a derpy way of saying shark

[barren zephyr]

For real though, sharks would be cool. Maybe as AI while players use the mosas/etc

[cobalt summit]

@blazing charm there are plenty of servers with rules that demand a 3-call for threaten situations and that probably wouldn’t change with the addition of a quieter threaten. It would add variety for people who are more into realism, who wouldn’t likely bellow at someone in their own group during a power or feeding dispute, for example. And there are plenty of uses for 3-calls instead of quieter threats; for example, if you’ve been friendly to neighbors and newcomers for awhile of species with which you can’t communicate, and a dinosaur enters the area whom for some reason you want to chase away, a 3-call makes your aggression abundantly clear before you attack and kill, so the others around you don’t think you might turn on them at any second, because you were aggressive to this one from the start.

[blazing charm]

there are plenty of servers with rules that demand a 3-call for threaten situations

Immediately lost interest.

[cobalt summit]

It might sound like a really hyper-specific situation, but that actually happened to me the other day — sometimes calling attention to your aggression is a way of helping everyone be on the same page when you can’t communicate with them

[barren zephyr]

lol "realism" servers

this is why you only play on official

[cobalt summit]

I mean if you’d rather be dismissive I don’t see why you’re in suggestion discussion, but you do you

[blazing charm]

I'm all for more vocal variation being experimented with down the line, but there needs to be some kind of precausion to prevent certain calls being made obsolete.

[candid wraith]

I don't see why you're suggesting a realism rule in suggestion discussion but ok

[blazing charm]

I mean, I'm fine with discussiong the game, as in the vanilla game.

But once "realism rules" come into play

no, nada.

[cobalt summit]

Then I guess I wonder why you’re worried in the first place? Because for the most part if it’s not required to show aggression before attacking, people won’t. The 3-call is rarely ever used on non-realism servers with mixpacking rules

[barren zephyr]

I can't speak for other servers but on official it gets used all the time

other servers are unimportant when it comes to designing things for the game

[cobalt summit]

The nature of the game has sorta rendered that call obsolete

[barren zephyr]

official is the game the way its meant to be played

[blazing charm]

Uh, not really.

I see it being used pretty often

[barren zephyr]

literally everyone on official uses it constantly

[indigo sun]

people can still give warnings with the 3 call in a back off sort of way without realism rules so I dont know what youre talkin about

[cobalt summit]

I’ve never once had an experience with that lol

[jovial skiff]

tbh

animals would kill off anything

[random knoll]

i use it all the time

[jovial skiff]

that is on a food item

[barren zephyr]

then you're not playing on official servers

and should start

[random knoll]

ti give people a warning to back off or die

[cobalt summit]

I have, which is why I’m baffled

[barren zephyr]

bc literally all of the calls get used and I see people threaten roar eachother all the time

[cobalt summit]

Aight well more power to ‘em

[jovial skiff]

if u three call a opponent thats like shooting in the air for a warning shot against a army man

everyone uses the calls

especially those rexes

they broadcast everytime they kill smth for god sake

[candid wraith]

It’s just that not everyone uses the 3 call as the “I’m gonna give away my position to warn you I’m about to kill you” roar

There’s no rule on official that says you have to 3 call

Because the butt buddy admins can’t be called in all chat and be complained to after you die

[blazing charm]

@barren zephyr Region 2 was incredibly small compared to maps like V3 and "Hope", It's a map that is currently graphically inferior and would require ANOTHER rehaul which is time and effort that could be spent working on more important features, or even just a better map.

First of all, it wasn't even the first map.

Second, just because you loved it doesn't mean that everyone else does still.

It was incredibly prone to water camping because of the lack of rivers, the earlier versions of the map were ESPECIALLY awful when it came to elevated areas, you'd be so prone to breaking your leg because of how many sudden drops there were.

And don't even get me started on the performance.

[barren zephyr]

If it were superior we'd still be using it

[blazing charm]

Superior map
Was incredibly small
Map design basically encouraged everyone to camp by water sources
The performance was god awful
Some versions were filled with potholes

The telltale signs of a superior map, of course.

Oh, speaking of things that are yikes.

Upvoting your own suggestion, classy..

[finite pewter]

Region 2 not fun

[barren zephyr]

R2 was good for small servers

with low populations

not as a main public map

but the layout was good

the mountains broke up the map enough that it felt much bigger than it was

I've also personally never minded water camping and never found it a hinderance

Thats what I was thinking, some servers do have low populations, and trying to use Isle v3 or Thenyaw is terror. I really liked the layout too, loved the mountains, and I just highly enjoyed it. I get it though, and completely understand why people would hate it too, but I also know many people who loved it.

Glad someone can slightly agree with me, I'm crazy but I promise its for a reason.

also the R2 performance was garbage/it was ugly argument doesn't really hold up bc literally all you need to do is swap out the old assets with the new ones.

though tbf I never experienced any performance issues either so idk maybe I'm just out of the loop entirely

[misty island]

@barren zephyr care for a review?

[misty island]

@barren zephyr not letting any Dino to hide in water is because of food denial

It’s the game’s mechanics

[barren zephyr]

I am aware, why I included new mechanic that bodies would float to shore.

[misty island]

It’s already planned

[barren zephyr]

Suchos ARE water dwellers though, so that is my intention alone.

Mhmmm

So thats why I mentioned it.

[misty island]

Confused......

You are mentioning it cus it’s already planned and are in working progress?

[torpid wedge]

they’re saying they want suchos in the water

but since food denial is a thing bodies floating to shore will fix that

[barren zephyr]

And adding on about the mechanic because of food denial. For reassurance,

[misty island]

But they are already gonna do that.....

[torpid wedge]

then why are you confused

[barren zephyr]

I added that for reassurance and why Suchos should be allowed to sit in the water, please feel free to read over my sug again.

[misty island]

Why is che suggesting it again when the devs already have a solution for it

I did... three times

[torpid wedge]

?

then why point it out

[misty island]

I thought I missed something

From his suggestion

[torpid wedge]

you’re overthinking this

[barren zephyr]

^^^

[misty island]

Right

[misty island]

If herbis can read names of players not in their group

Carnis should able to too

So we won’t mistakenly kill our babies that just logged in

[wintry cipher]

just look at what happens on deathmatch servers with names enabled. endless targeting. nuff said.

if they log in without you knowing about it first, they are fair game and should have hidden more responsibly before logging out

[misty island]

I mean I am fine without it

Like what you said is entirely correct

But I am saying if

If herbis are gonna have advantage in community and coordination

Carnis should too

[wintry cipher]

Neither side will have it.

[misty island]

Welp

Discussing suggestions is what we do here pffff

[marble ether]

Seeing names sounds like absolute garbage, ya cant even hide in a bush cuz when someone even.looks in your general direction they see your name pop up

[mellow sedge]

@marble ether the idea u mentioned in #general-feedback would be kinda hard to do seeing u would have to make EVERY rock and tree a variable of the move and also some rocks and trees are bugged so u can go through them.

[marble ether]

I know it'd be hard, it's up to devs to decide whether or not they want to do it :p I'm only suggesting!

[mellow sedge]

Ye ik ur just suggesting but i was just discussing about it. Thats what this channel is for

[paper oriole]

Ungrouped name tags are already an option server owners can make, just go to one of those lol

[oblique dust]

personally I'd like to have the option to name our dino rather than only relying on our steam account names

helps with RP and could prevent issues in sandbox servers, or servers that show everyone's steam names like Nycta

[rotund tartan]

^ what ?

[oblique dust]

yeah I guess my explanation was kinda shitty lol

[blazing charm]

@grand brook There was a discussion in here about this yesterday, specifically on my concern of the regular 3/threaten call being made obsolete.

While I complete understand the idea of varying levels of emoting, and I am all for more variation in vocals. I can't help but feel that if there was a quieter version of the threaten call, the regular one would almost never be used. Think about it, they can more or less get the same message across and avoid alerting nearby animals, which I feel like is something that is somewhat neccesary for tracking via sound.

I know there was someone, I can't remember who it was, that made the arguement that the two would represent varying levels of aggression, but really people would easily just associate both calls with the same kind of message. An example was also given on how the regular 3 call would be more used for broadcasting your prescence, basically to threaten anything that is around the general area. But then that loops back to the issue they originally brought up which is ALERTING creatures of your presence which then, why use it when I can emote the same message but quietly?

But that's just my view on it.

[grand brook]

I don't know, I feel like the current 3 calls have lost some weight because you hear them all the time, the diablo's roar is somewhat impressive if you don't expect it but if you get used to it, it looses its power. Same goes for the allos 3 call, there's so much rage in that roar and if you use it for every situation is almost like killing a mosquito with a cannon. But imagine this, you are an allo and a pack of carnos has decided to hunt you or at least try to, you haven't abused the 3 call too much and you charge at them 3 calling, I can guarantee you the effect would be far more impressive. So yeah maybe people wouldn't use 3 calls as often sure, but it would be used to convey a clear message "I'm about to end you"

[blazing charm]

Hrm, when you say it like that.

[grand brook]

it's how it is, animals don't use their most intimidating calls until the last minute

[oblique dust]

to be honest, I'd rather have different animation stances over more vocals, but I do realize that would a fuckload of needless work for the devs right now. Maybe that could be a thing after the game sees an official release.

[grand brook]

you won't see a tiger roaring it's lungs out at the minimum conflict, it's only when the conflict arises that the sounds get stronger

[oblique dust]

example being, an aggressive stance to signify you're in combat, panting if you're low and out of stam, sleeping if you've been afk for over 10 minutes and etc.

but that's so much work.

[grand brook]

that's why this vocals would be very simple, like I said opening and closing the mouth barely to show your teeth or making a popping sound with your beak

much like the f call has barely any animation

[oblique dust]

but that would lead back to the issue that jaffad was addressing; people would just default to the quieter threat sounds to avoid nearby detection

maybe if those sounds weren't manually triggered by the player...

[grand brook]

it could still be audible, just not as far as the regular 3 calls

[oblique dust]

... which would result in people abusing them to avoid detection, making threat calls useless

[grand brook]

the point is to be heard, but not from as far away as the regular 3 call

[oblique dust]

but the point of calls is that they're both a risk and a reward

you have to think and manage calls accordingly or you risk detection from other threats

[blazing charm]

^

[grand brook]

think of it this way, is the f call hearable from a distance? like think of any dinosaur and their respective f calls, can you hear them from a distance?

[blazing charm]

That's kind of the point I was making before.

[marble ether]

I'd still use 3 calls lol, especially as a carnivore, you have a certain hunting ground. Anything enters that place, I'll be scaring the fucker off and letting everyone around me know I'm ready for a fight

also f calls carry a long distance

[grand brook]

the principle is the same, it would audible from a distance but it wouldn't alert and entire region

[marble ether]

esp allo, that shit can be heard so fucking far

[grand brook]

true but not as far as their 3 calls

that's what i'm getting at

[marble ether]

no indeed, but still far

[oblique dust]

f calls are a different matter though, that's for casual talking or even for pack/group strategizing

even then, you they're still audible from a reasonable distance

[grand brook]

again not as far as a regular 3 call

[oblique dust]

regular calls are more or less how you communicate with other species

hence them being louder

[grand brook]

sure, but there's a difference between levels of agression. See the allo or the diablo for example, their other calls are clear cut and that's perfect, but when they 3 call there's no room for interpretation they all sound like "I'm going to murder your entire bloodline"

[marble ether]

I do agree on more vocals

[grand brook]

you can toss the quieter angle aside, but something more subtle wouldn't hurt

[marble ether]

louder/quieter doesn't really matter, but there should be more differentiation between possible scenarios

[grand brook]

In the case of bears the popping sound can be heard from far away

[oblique dust]

honestly I wouldn't mind a mating call for finding a nesting partner, or some kind of variation of the broadcast call that lets others know you've found something good or interesting.

like, an example for the latter: let's say you're in the middle of a horrible drought and your herd/pack buddies are starving, so you split up to search for food

you manage to come across a fresh corpse or a hidden pile of bushes along the way, so you let out a call that let's the others know you've found a safe food source from a distance, or something like that.

imo the broadcast-1 call is more or less the call you strictly use to find other members of your species - not so much for pinpointing good or interesting things that could benefit your pack/herd.

or you can go further and do the opposite, creating a loud call that informs others you've come across something suspicious and potentially bad. Which people could argue that's what the 4-call is for, but IMO the 4-call's become so generalized that people could completely misinterpret its message in certain situations. Right now a 4 call could mean anything from "I'm in a dangerous location" to "I need help," or "I'm being hunted/attacked," to "there's a threat nearby," or "there's something weird/suspicious around here," and even something like "I'm distressed/scared/sad." It's pretty broad atm.

[nova ice]

I kind of like that ambiguity, I'd imagine that it sort of simulates the fact you can't really perfectly understand species other than your own so just have to use what context you can find to figure it out, whereas with your own species you can just ask.

[formal heath]

@barren zephyr maybe just having a server specific feature where you can group with different species would be cool. It’s already a thing to have name tags turned on for some servers ^^

[barren zephyr]

@midnight bane What else could they do for a different resting animation? Have the dino put its head down?

[midnight bane]

@barren zephyr idk honestly, that could be one thing, maybe lying on its side?

or maybe just have different variations to choose from in the resting we have now

[umbral prairie]

@barren zephyr hitboxes will most likely be fixed with the recode, I'm sure they are aware of the current hitboxes being stupid

[pale prairie]

ping has a pretty big affect on this like that

[barren zephyr]

I keep hearing about this recode, will it even come?

[pale prairie]

soon enough.

[barren zephyr]

Tm

[pale prairie]

if you don't mind me asking, what server were you on?

[indigo sun]

Just be patient, jesus. Its recoding the entire game

[barren zephyr]

EU1, and I'm from EU

Don't worry I'm not dumb enough to play on US

[pale prairie]

alright then, yeah, what nines said^

we should be getting some news in the form of an annoucement in the coming weeks

[barren zephyr]

How long have they been recoding?

[indigo sun]

A few months

[pale prairie]

in 2 days

[umbral prairie]

2 months

[pale prairie]

we will reach the 2 month mark

[indigo sun]

Its a lot of fuckin work my dude

[barren zephyr]

Oh yeah, that's not that long, I thought it was longer

[umbral prairie]

It will probably not be done before late july or august if everything goes to plan

but then it will hopefully help with new mechanics a lot

[pale prairie]

i'm pretty sure the day/night cycle lasts for 1 hour currently, 30 minutes day 30 minutes night.
i'd rather have it 40 day and 20 night though, more time to enjoy the game.

[random knoll]

rip dilo

[pale prairie]

let's be honest here

with the current lighting

dilos NV isn't as much of an advantage as it used to be

i'd rather have more time to enjoy the game with how good day looks

[umbral prairie]

I'd like 35 minutes of day, 25 minutes of night, and 15 of those night minutes being pitch black

[indigo sun]

@unique terrace acro is going to be ai

[unique terrace]

That is just lame really

[indigo sun]

It has no reason to exist with its niche already taken up by other dinosaurs like giga and I believe allo, which is it's a bleeder. It cant fulfill any role in the ecosystem

[clever leaf]

too similar to giga to warrant being playable

[valid flower]

@indigo sun Not 100%

its just an idea

[cobalt summit]

Acro takes up an entirely different niche from allo and giga

[indigo sun]

And what is its niche

[cobalt summit]

They’re all bleeders and have relatively fast trots, and that’s where the similarities end. Acro’s speed combined with their weight gives them an entirely different play style than allo or giga. It cannot compete 1v1 with apexes, but it can take advantage of its speed and size to go after food that is too fast for giga and too tough for allo without needing a pack. Its agility grants it access to a sort of skill curve where the better a player is, the tougher prey they can take 1v1, to a much more extreme degree than allo and I would argue also giga.

It is a more extreme giga in the sense of relying on sheer trot speed to bring things down, where a giga often must rely on ambush far more often than acro. And an acro’s speed burst opens up carnos, fast raptors, and Maia/galli as regular sources of food, where nothing else in the game can make use of those species as food sources without a lot of situational luck and good cover.

Most important is their capacity for a solo play style. They aren’t apex and therefore wouldn’t normally be able to live safely on their own, but their weight and trot speed allow them to handle most threats or get away without relying on numbers.

[indigo sun]

Congratulations, you've actually made an argument for acro being playable that I don't think i've really seen. Actually, i don't think i've seen any arguments beyond people just wanting it

[cobalt summit]

It fills a niche I think we really need

Currently we’re left with the option of spending 7 hours on a heavyweight or 3 hours on a mid weight and the addition of some in-between is much needed imo

[clever leaf]

acros just fast because of scaling up, that speed isnt even intentional. it's be broken as shit anyways, it would invalidate alot of the smaller things cause it can just run them down

[cobalt summit]

Often running them down isn’t practical, but much like with carnos’ prey, if you stick to a forest, you’ll lose an acro easily. We can’t see through trees well

Also you’ll find that many acros are wary of using up stamina to chase small things, as it’s our only real defense against apex ambushes, which happens quite often as we’re a surprisingly easy meal for our size

And we’re difficult to hide

[clever leaf]

iirc there was some acro injections. i heard they went rather devastatingly

cucking shit like allo

not a good idea at all imo

[cobalt summit]

They’ve also been injected on other servers with similar/equivalent rules to Official and gone fine

Allos only die to acro if they’re unwary, just as with any other threat. We’re hard to hide and have 0 stamina. Allos have some of the best stam in the game

And the point of acro is to be better than allo, given its placement as a sort of subtier apex

A good acro can 1v1 a trike. It offers challenges that aren’t realistic for midtiers and are less challenging to apexes

[mellow sedge]

@glossy tangle a lot of ppl have mentioned this but idk what the devs are gonna do about it

[barren zephyr]

The day night cycle wouldn't be such an issue for people, I think, if night vision was done better.

[mellow sedge]

Days do need to me longer tho

Or make it so dinos can sleep or something like that

[barren zephyr]

Like instead of what we have now, they instead implement a mechanic that essentially reduces the draw distance during night. Like the 'fog of war' in RTS games, or if you lower the draw distance slider in other games.

Something that isn't exploitable via the gamma slider on your monitor.

Idk. Days and nights should last the same amount of time if they're going for something remotely realistic, which I do believe they are.

Nights are just painful as they are now.

[white torrent]

Allo’s die to Acro because Acro is a broken dinosaur. Saying “allo’s only die to gigas if there are unweary” makes sense, but an acro? A single Acro and slaughter an allo pack with the easiest of ease

[mellow sedge]

@valid flower although thats a possibility, as far as im aware the game is set in the future and not during the dino era. Also if they do that their just announcing that they want the game to stop

[misty island]

@barren zephyr good idea but wouldn’t it require a lot from the server ?

Since now it have to constantly load two set of vision

And active only one at a time

[paper oriole]

v3 nights are so pathetic rn that they don't need to be shortened, honestly.
Thenyaw evening and dawn could be made less dark though to make the night less lengthy, but honestly v3 night is too bright as it is so it shouldn't be shortened

[marble ether]

As a dilo player I woule agree on shorter nights IF they were darker

The problem with nights is only 1 species benefits from the dark atm

[paper oriole]

They should definitely be darker, V3 is so light at night that i dont use nightvision to hunt most of the time because its easier not to.
If they were super dark and forced you to use NV if you wanted to see anything and give dilos a solid shot at using their abilities to the fullest, then making them shorter would be 100% justified

[marble ether]

Austro customization will come when It's added into survival, for the other feathered Dinos you suggested, idk most really feathered ones seem to small to have any impact in the game

There will however come the option to add feathers to your dino I beliebe

[still temple]

@twilit pewter too small

[twilit pewter]

@still temple could make it a lil bigger

[still temple]

no

[twilit pewter]

cause i mean, we have really small AI like the velo

[still temple]

yeah but that thing is even smaller than a taco

[twilit pewter]

hence we could make it a little bigger, its not like we 100% need to make it accurate, the utahraptors arent accurate to real utahs

[still temple]

and hardly anyone cares about tier 1s enough to play as them anyways

even if he was upsized, he would still be small and pathetic

[twilit pewter]

i mean, flying dinos is probably gonna be fun

[still temple]

and TI "Utahs" were always meant to be JP raptors anyways

then play Ptera

[twilit pewter]

okay, but you're just saying because of its size you wouldnt want it, plenty of players like to play smol dinos, not everything has to be a rex size or hypo

[still temple]

no point in spending $7000+ to add a midget dino to appease a very small fraction of the playerbase

[twilit pewter]

theres a lot of pathetic small herbis that people still play, like the dryo etc

[still temple]

the playerbase for small dinosaurs is small

[twilit pewter]

ngl, but it could easily be a after the main game is done, if they ever want to add extra dinos and such

i'd play it a lot, mostly cause im better at stealth and tiny dinos that its easier for one to hide, the only disadvantage is everything would probably one shot, its like that for a lot of dinos

[still temple]

also dryo is about the size of a horse, the dino ur suggesting is probably smaller than a pidgeon

[twilit pewter]

yeah, as i said, they could be fixed to be B i g g e r

[cobalt summit]

oof dryo is nowhere near horse-sized in game

[twilit pewter]

not everything needs to be 100% accurate, as this game doesn't go on accuracy on all the dinos

[cobalt summit]

a horse in game would be a few hands shorter than a dilo

[twilit pewter]

^^^^^

[cobalt summit]

so dryos are hella shrank if they supposed to be horse sized

also acros would be true apexes if they were going by the books lmao

[twilit pewter]

if the dryo is the size of the horse, thats some big ass grass

[cobalt summit]

it's a mixture of balancing reality with fun gameplay

[twilit pewter]

sorry its like 1am rn im tired jwgeng

^^^^^