Yeah and my change would actually allow them to survive lol.
#general-feedback-discussion
brisk mesa
Well... if they're good
A skilled tracker of a Trex
who keeps his cool
will succeed infinitely more
than one that just rushes in.
Likewise this stamina would allow him to not be stuck in 1 spot
So he could find food.
compact matrix
I'm not sure if this is the right way to go about it because if he keeps his current speed, a faster opponent will just log out and avoid him
brisk mesa
That requires they break line of sight.
Get enough of a lead.
They need a full minute uninterrupted
compact matrix
This is not challenging for anything allo speed or faster, even then a minute of sitting will give a substantial amount of stamina back for any animal
coarse shell
@solid vault if you want that you're gonna hate the affinity system
but no thanks. lots of reasons why thats a bad idea
solid vault
Or at least allow admins or server owners to set it up that way if they want it.
solid vault
Oh! What does one have to do, to do this is; set it up in their own server?
coarse shell
yeah. pingperfect servers
you're free to do whatever
it'll just never be allowed in official servers
solid vault
I mean configs and what not. To set it up. XD
I am thinking about getting my own server.
coarse shell
for hosting a server? go to #server-hosting
white torrent
So does anyone know if the cerato’s animations are complete? Like where they are now?
bold tartan
I think they are getting new ones? I'm not sure if it was just the model or not
shut gale
@white torrent it was said they're still going to get worked on
white torrent
I honestly hope so
coarse shell
the only thing that i really hate about the cera animations is the bite
it just looks weird
white torrent
I don’t like the broad cast or the threaten
The broad cast looks really.. sloppy, and the threaten doesn’t match how deep the roar is
coarse shell
@sullen zinc utah is fine where it is
white torrent
Plus it just feels underwhelming. You see the allo, or rex or giga and their terrifying, violent threatens
shut gale
its one of the best dinos in the game imo x)
white torrent
Then the cerato just leans forward like “ahhhh”
severe walrus
coarse shell
at least utahs still die to them, even if the dilo dies in the process
shut gale
with the bleed change it might be a good thing for the dilo
coarse shell
more or less bleed?
sullen zinc
I only want to have a chance to kill the opponent in a duel with Dilo Utah
and given that the many dinos in the game made a rebalance, and improved the characteristics than Utah worse?
shut gale
@coarse shell bleed is getting a change to where it can't kill. but now depending on how much bleed you have you start "limping" if i got it correctly
@sullen zinc utah is "worse" cause it has alot of agility. that's his strong point
sullen zinc
@shut gale one dexterity in a fight not to win
shut gale
ahn?
last remnant
Well...it's basically the same thing as drowning when you lose stamina in the water.
Only dead bodies can sink right now. Eventually, when you lose enough stamina in the water, you'll probably sink down to the water. I believe that is simulating that for now.
@midnight rune
barren zephyr
dinosaurs couldn't eaten grass because it didn't exist back then .
midnight rune
@last remnant oh yeah i think it might of been a bug i was swimming and was taking oxygen but wasnt under water and didnt have low stam
warped harbor
@lost ravine nothing that you've said exists / can be found. There is no stat sheet, and no Utah pounce ability. The least you can look at is the growth sheet.
lost ravine
@warped harbor i know what a time dinos grow...but speed, bite, stamina... Every game have that stats... Whit pounce Uta be better...
warped harbor
If we knew every single stat the game would become boring... Also the utah pounce is going go be added, it's just not in yet.
lost ravine
@warped harbor about Uta thx i'l be wait. About stats thx.
brisk mesa
There will always be friendly fire @stiff temple
Just imagine a bunch of trikes all standing beside eachother stomping.
Nothing would survive, except them.
A bunch of Carnos all rushing an Allo at the same time
Etc.
stiff temple
I understand that, but right now hitboxes are a mess along with desync and clipping.
brisk mesa
Yeah.
stiff temple
So easy to damage someone by accident
brisk mesa
Incentive to not get close to eachother.
jovial arch
No friendly fire
brisk mesa
Yeah, incredibly easy to abuse.
jovial arch
You just stack up your Dinos
jovial arch
And suddenly you have a multi carno
brisk mesa
Or that
brisk mesa
But seriously, friendly fire is something you need to avoid on your own and actually just, keep your space, or be in a VC with your packmates
brisk mesa
I've seen foolish Trikes accidentally murder the Diablos they were protecting
Carno rushes in, they gore
and it hits their little lad.
What they learned:
Stand in front of the Diablo, dont stand on it
valid zephyr
people asking for US-4 lol.
meanwhile us EU plebs have to all pack in a single server
wraith trout
Australian bois don't even have one lmao, cry some more xD
barren zephyr
@wraith trout could name a few rn
crystal turret
Can confirm... Died to trike attacking a Utah I. didn't need any help against as a sub Diablo nearly maxed. Died in 1 hit and like 2 bleed to ticks. Greatest use if 3 hours to date.
barren zephyr
Why u mind ur business and not get involved with bigger herbs
leaden night
Bigger herbs are great meatshields
blazing charm
@rugged siren Any reason why you can't just post the suggestion in public?
rugged siren
I could if its wanted 😃 but i think some questions would pop up anyways.
blazing charm
And questions are a bad thing becaaause?....
rugged siren
Id suggest it publicy no biggy.
blazing charm
Ah, now I can see why you wanted to suggest it privately.
rugged siren
... ye but its fine 😃 its out there now.
barren zephyr
@pulsar pine gigas gettin fixed fam
reef merlin
rex get destroyed by any descend pack anyway
on official apex arent cocky since they cant pay for another one right?
wraith trout
Uhhhh "Getting kinda stale" implies you've been playing a while, yet the suggestion itself suggests you have not been playing for more than a week, so which is it?
Giga was only just taken out for bug fixing and is coming back very shortly
Assuming all goes well
wintry cipher
@limpid dove you can name your skins. just click the preset title, type it in, then save it
also to avoid the lag: turn your audio to low, and the master sound off
its a sound bug with AMD processors
limpid dove
i had no clue that you could name your own skins
im not very observant. just a little stupid
and yeah, the lag is oof
normal fern
@manic ibex carno should definitely get a growth increase and a hunger drain increase.
It's too fast to have any natural predators and its hunger drains so slowly to the point where carno doesn't have to worry about starvation
mental sleet
@frail cargo most of them are unnecessary
mental sleet
variety, yes, half-assed dinosaurs, no.
frail cargo
half assed dinosaurs, what?
mental sleet
the bigger the roster the worse it will become.
mental sleet
no, not at all, it becomes harder to balance.
the less dinosaurs players have acess to the easier it gets to work with them.
and the better they can be.
frail cargo
i'm not going to continue with this
mental sleet
¯_(ツ)_/¯
frail cargo
i'm not in the mood to argue
but i'm sure there are plenty of people who would enjoy the nonsurvival dinosaurs
in survival
coarse shell
then go to sandbox
i'd rather not more dinos be added to survival other than the ones that are confirmed in the future
like stego, spino, etc
barren zephyr
And Kentro might have the chance to get into Survival as a playable
stoic token
@leaden night yea I heard it is supposed to be done soon like this month along with the big feb update, but if it’s true there also adding the titanboa and the crocodile (dont know how to type out the actual name) then I dont know how they will get it all done.
stoic token
@lone crypt @mental sleet they need more Dino’s in survival it will make it a lot more fun, being able to have multiple Dino’s you like not just like 4
coarse shell
what's the "big feb update"
mental sleet
there isn't 4 dinosaurs in survival though.
also the quantity doesn't matter, quality does.
barren zephyr
Breezin there is a thing called fuckin humans¨
mental sleet
progression has proven so.
stoic token
I know but not everyone likes to play as every Dino
I’m saying there’s only a select few that people really enjoy playing
barren zephyr
Well than that's their problem people always have Sandbox
coarse shell
you're kind of being contradicting
if theres only a select few people like to play, then dont add more?
stoic token
@lone crypt yea I see that side too
compact matrix
I hope there's at most 10-12 more animals and then animals just are done.
Maybe a few more of the big herbivores, giga, spino, and some of the unique property animals if they want to add them
stoic token
@compact matrix yea I’m with that
compact matrix
then boom, done
warped harbor
The animals are there
mental sleet
10-12 more animals holy
warped harbor
They are just lacking any reason to play one over another
A reason for them to be distinct
I dont think adding more dinosaurs would solve anything for now
frail cargo
I for one would like acrocanthosaurus.
stoic token
I heard that there was a update in February bringing in the deinosuchus and the titanboa I heard is going to sandbox this month too
mental sleet
the fuck, breezin
stoic token
I’m mostly focused on getting the beastly looking giga back with its new stats, I’m excited
lament thorn
Who said this
compact matrix
In fact... Theri, Stego, Anky, MAYBE a Sauropod, MAYBE Deinosuchus, Maybe Quetz/Pteranodon, Spino would be enough, then give the animals their mechanics
That's 7-8
stoic token
It’s just shit I’m hearin around, not like devs word
compact matrix
12 is probably too much
frail cargo
acros exterminate allos and pick off herd stragglers
compact matrix
Pebbles blend in nicely with the paved roads, make sure they don't poke holes in your tires as you run over them
Ankylosaurus and Stego return tail fighters into the game, which are non-existant at the present moment. Anky would probably get bone break back as well
stoic token
Well ultimately it’s headed to humans and Dino’s coexisting
mental sleet
doesn't fix the juvenile
compact matrix
(Not to mention both of these animals are famous as hell)
Spinosaurus is pretty obviously coming as a playable so not much to touch on there
stoic token
Except the fact that it needs a major remodel which is being done
agile whale
I'm pretty sure its been confirmed spino is coming to survival already
compact matrix
I'm pretty sure stego and spino are both confirmed for survival in the future
So that's 2 guaranteed animals
stoic token
Except it’s a lot stronger than a para or Maia and a herd protector
compact matrix
Okay, let me rephrase.
Do you think a third hadrosaur is a higher priority over theri, anky, or stego
Or a sauropod depending on whatever the hell the plans are for those (probably ai? MAYBE?)
compact matrix
I don't think we are getting too many more
Maybe 8 new animals at most then survival is done
unless they come up with REALLY interesting ideas (like titanoboa as a playable or some wacky shit)
stoic token
They’re gonna add a few more, but I think the ones they already have modeled and are in sandbox but not survival are going to be added to survival before new dinos are being made as a whole
compact matrix
You think there's going to be 14 more playable dinosaurs added to survival?
8 more introduced to survival that are returning from sandbox/prog, and maybe 2 new animals?
Perhaps, but I think that they are going to bring back the big meta herbs that were popular and then stop herbivore development for a while
Stego, Anky, Theri, And maybe a sauropod then herbivores are done unless pachyrhino or another interesting herbivore was made
We don't need many more theropod carnivores either
IMO
Bring in Spino, Maybe Austro/Herrera/Bary/Acro but not all of them, and I can't think of any others
If you do more carnivores, maybe they shouldn't be theropods at all.
Crazy shit like Deinosuchus, Titanoboa, Quetz, Pterano IF they get those working
So you are saying
You would prefer taco over stego? Or you not counting stego
stoic token
That would be cancer
compact matrix
If I’m being honest, I think the burrow mechanic should go on a carnivore instead of a herbivore
Mesozoic terrestrial crocs
stoic token
The taco I agree with, players a a velociraptors would raise complete havoc at best sites though right now if the spawn rate increased
compact matrix
I’m feeling like our playable roster is going to be something like:
Herbivores: Stego (confirmed), anky, theri, with possibly a sauropod or some easy to make derivatives like pachyrhino
compact matrix
For carnivores, the only animal I’m extremely confident in is Spino
All the others are definitely big ifs or maybes
Acro would be in an awkward position between giga and allo if it were re added
Austro could be interesting but idk about priority
leaden night
Alberto when
thorny lynx
Alberto is a smaller rex
And much
Much faster
But we already have sub rex, with 450 damage max, soooo...
thorny lynx
@limpid dove We can name our peset sets.
devout nymph
Is their going to be a system similar to Jurrasic World Evolution where killing blows are cinematic, and you toss around smaller dino?
limpid dove
@thorny lynx i was told already
@thorny lynx so theres no need to ping me
@thorny lynx thanks
devout nymph
Also add Gastonia
tepid dune
damn watt, i flippin' love your suggestions
A gruesome unstoppable tyranosaur with a dreadfull pursuit, now we're talking
barren zephyr
I agree
tepid dune
Apexes lacks identity so bad
manic ibex
@unborn wraith Theri will have scent the day it's added into survival. Mind that maybe it will never be added tho.
limpid dove
theri being in survival would add another unique dinosaur
not just allo, carno or cerato. they're basically all the same thing with different stats and sounds.
blazing charm
Those were for the injections, Theri has literally zero chance of being injected right now due to it's outdated model quality and it's stats are utterly broken.
barren zephyr
Yeah
blazing charm
As someone who has wanted Theri for survival for god knows how long, it needs a serious rework.
barren zephyr
I think Theri will never see the light of day
blazing charm
It has potential.
Non-official servers don't matter for balancing.
🤦
Okay, let me try put this another way.
What is the point of adding scent for a creature that is going to be gutted whenever it gets a new model? Which won't be for a very long time.
Because Sauropds aren't supposed to be playable at the moment.
Then why mention it?
feral wedge
If you're going to constantly assault my eyes, please at least spell check.
blazing charm
Allo got a new model because it was SUPPOSED to be a playable.
It was properly implemented.
Yes.
Correct.
barren zephyr
What are you trying to convae
blazing charm
Please spend more than 5 seconds writing something, it's not a race.
I know of literally no injections of Theri.
barren zephyr
I only remember Bryan playing as it on Dev 3
feral wedge
@unborn wraith If you're going to flame after all that you've written in here in the past 20 minutes, I'm going to quickly and excitedly see you out.
Scent*
I'm well aware.
blazing charm
We noticed.
barren zephyr
Frog may i ask how long have you been playing the game
blazing charm
Possibly, granted it would probably look awful.
barren zephyr
Could you specify
blazing charm
But again, WHY put in the effort for such an outdated playable.
It NEEDS to be reworked first.
Not to mention there are far more important things to be working on right now, rather than adding Scent for Therizinosaurus.
Man, it's almost as if it isn't balanced for Survival or something.
feral wedge
No other servers matter besides officials.
Implementing something incapable on personal servers is not a problem for the devs, it's a problem for the server owners.
barren zephyr
Well let me explain it like this they are not planning to add 30 playables in Survival since survival only choses dinosaurs that are uniqe. And also why would Theri get scent anyway Sandbox and Progression are not supposed be the core game mode.
leaden night
They were injected
feral wedge
Doesn't matter
barren zephyr
You know they might have added Scent to Sandbox dinosaurs because many people were bitching that Sandbox isnt getting enough attention
feral wedge
It's not for you to decide. It may or may not make it in eventually, but there's no way to tell right now. Especially with the changes that are going to be underway soon.
feral wedge
They're not fine, for Theri, from a mathematical viewpoint.
barren zephyr
Have you been on a Dv testlevel server everyone is a Theri why you may ask. Its because its OP
blazing charm
Theri in it's current state is far too offensive. People would just kamikaze into other creatures.
feral wedge
Giga has scent because it's a survival critter already.
next nexus
nah im reading
shrewd phoenix
stats?
feral wedge
No. You're not listening. You're not providing any reasoning or logic besides personal affinity.
blazing charm
It has everything to do with the stats and it's model.
shrewd phoenix
feral wedge
Alright. I fix.
next nexus
your argument is "give me dinosaur because me like dinosaur" which is extremely weak
barren zephyr
next nexus
then wait, it will likely get it in future but its not a priority right now
barren zephyr
Frog if you cant keep a discussion friendly with constructive sentences then why are you still arguing
blazing charm
I'm honestly at a loss for words right now.
barren zephyr
Same
feral wedge
Ahhh bliss.
blazing charm
Well, that was fun.
blazing charm
What other suggestions can we talk about?
undone dove
That was pretty entertaining to read.
leaden night
Kentro is spikey
blazing charm
Indeed it is.
leaden night
And small
barren zephyr
Well i posted a suggestion but it is pretty lack luster
jovial arch
ngl tho cerato's juvie anims look wonk af
cerato's bite also is a little
weird
it comes from the same side, weird angle, every hit
leaden night
Juv Cerato also couldn't bite while running for a while outside of right click
barren zephyr
Think this is more for #401464048610312195 buds
frail cargo
@kindred wagon You shouldn't have gone close to an adult cama.
They're just small.
It doesn't need a nerf nor any other herbivores.
leaden night
@barren zephyr Smh imagine not reading the suggestion about changing Cerato's bite
kindred wagon
@frail cargo
Adult cama?? What??
barren zephyr
sorry
leaden night
Not if they don't fix the hitbox
kindred wagon
He one K.O as an juvie longneck... that is broken
leaden night
Takes like multiple bites just to hit something in front of it
jovial arch
darkness
it looks like a juvie
but it's not
it's only faking it
it's actually a full adult
and it deals a ton of damage
for some reason it's smaller than it should be
but it should be like double or triple the size it is rn
frail cargo
@kindred wagon 'juvie longneck'
kindred wagon
then that is also broken
warped harbor
Camas aren't in survival
kindred wagon
that they look smaller then they are
that tricks players to think they are juvies when they are really adult.
this just confirms that I died to BS.
manic ibex
You died to your lack of game knowledge, that's all
kindred wagon
no I died because the game tricked me to think it was an juvie, when it was an adult. that is BS, its that simple.
mighty girder
Nah, you were in sandbox. There is no "semi survival" gamemode
Cama is only sandbox
unless someone injects it in, which still makes it basically sandbox as cama isnt in survival
kindred wagon
The server I play on is semi realism survival (my mistake on semi survival) and there is longnecks on this server.
mighty girder
Also the game didn't trick you, you just simply lacked the game knowledge to recognize what the dinosaur was. Its a thing new players experience in any game.
No worries @kindred wagon But if its utilizing sandbox dinosaurs its unlikely the devs are gonna nerf the dinos. They're sandbox content dumps that are not currently being utilized in survival.
They used to be playable but the game was balanced different back then, which is why Camara's and Pue's destroy pretty much everything from survival.
They aren't currently meant to be balanced
kindred wagon
So they are not meant to be in survival?
mighty girder
No, they aren't.
I'd imagine the only way they'd ever be in survival would be as ai
kindred wagon
Well this one was not an ai, I really don't think so on the way he looked at me and moved.
also on how he looked.
mighty girder
Im not saying its an ai now
Im saying if they WERE added to survival by the devs they'd likely be ai
that server LOL
kindred wagon
yea
mighty girder
Not gonna share my opinion on it but yeah prob what happened
kindred wagon
isla nycta
mighty girder
the dino itself isnt balanced for survival and isnt meant to be atm, if private servers add it in thats on the owners of said servers
if you want an experience where everything is intended to be balanced toward everything I'd recommend official servers.
kindred wagon
hmm.. will think about it, thanks for the tip.
mighty girder
np
coarse shell
lmao dont ever approach a "juvie longneck" if thats what you call it
it can 1-4 shot everything
feral wedge
@waxen elk You realize Herra is bigger, right?
compact coyote
both
pure copper
Thought Austro was bigger in game
compact coyote
irl herra was bigger, especially the upper size estimates
compact coyote
uhhh
waxen elk
I mean tbh, using the larger Herrera estimates would
Pretty much be Utahraptor competitors
feral wedge
Austro was 16ft and 660ilbs, Herra was 20ft and 770ilbs.
compact coyote
austro wasnt 360kg, that was herra
pure copper
Austro comes in at 717 pounds by GDI estimates dude
compact coyote
even then, herra is still heavier
unborn quail
Regardless, Austro wasn't built to fight something Like herrera
compact coyote
^
brisk mesa
Herrera was literally an apex predator of it's environment
pure copper
Not much competition for that in the Triassic
waxen elk
It was not
pure copper
Dinosaurs were barely a thing that early on
brisk mesa
A 20ft long, fast, agile predator.
There wasn't much in the way of competition, true.
But like, saying Herrera should be weaker than Austro is silly.
One is adapted to eat fish, and has regressed it's adaptations to hunt similarly sized animals.
I agree with Austro being able to survive shit
Survive.
So as in, gtfo to find water...
take a dive
and get out alive
waxen elk
I was using Herrerasaurus as the carnivore equivalent to Dryo but okay i guess
pure copper
Flightless Steamer ducks don’t have adaptations to hunt anything and they’re so aggressive they chase off hawks
brisk mesa
Maybe his ability could be to let him restore HP by eating fish
So he could dive into the water after taking a beating
waxen elk
If the community wants Austro as the carnivore’s bitch (like it pretty much is) it’s Austro at least
brisk mesa
and get healthy again quicker than needing to rest
waxen elk
I can swim and scavenge
true burrow
Hello so how about no, austro should be readjusted but not that that level
waxen elk
And get 3shot by Dryos
true burrow
Keep in mind
brisk mesa
pure copper
What
waxen elk
250 weight mass
pure copper
So if we’re talking about Austro and herrea fighting each other in game we should definitely find a balance between them
brisk mesa
Yeah but I feel it should be Austro just being able to soak hits.
Not really dish any out.
true burrow
I'm fine with austro being slightly stronger than herrera
waxen elk
Keep in mind
true burrow
but one shouldn't completely destroy the other
brisk mesa
I feel Austro being stronger than Herrera makes absolutely no sense.
I do think Austro should be able to pounce the Herrera
so in that sense, it could hurt it, and get it to back down.
waxen elk
How does Sucho vs Allo work right now
compact coyote
are you implying that austro is like sucho and that it should rape its opposition?
unborn quail
Allo won't be raping Sucho for long
compact coyote
^
unborn quail
It's fixed next update
waxen elk
By two hits?
compact coyote
sucho wont bleed out
brisk mesa
Allosaurus has more agility than Sucho.
So it doesnt need to rely on bleeding it out.
waxen elk
It currently does though
brisk mesa
Just stalling until it limps
pure copper
Sucho has a really fast bite and can stack bleed quickly can’t it ?
waxen elk
Id rather have Austro being a bite force creature than using bleed to kill because it makes no sense
pure copper
Bleed won’t kill anything soon if the rumors are true
brisk mesa
Anyways, not saying Austro should be a bleeder.
If anything Herrera looks like it would do more bleed.
waxen elk
Yeah
manic ibex
I guess it could bleed out fish
waxen elk
Austro
Bleeding out shit
Pick only one
brisk mesa
I seriously think Austro should be the Dryo, but in a different... way if you will.
waxen elk
I don’t
pure copper
That sounds like an unfavorable description
brisk mesa
Dryo will be able to eat plants other dinosaurs wont.
compact coyote
but thats just bias and thats a no go
brisk mesa
Has good survival stats.
pure copper
I know Dryos OP but still
brisk mesa
Just unfavorable combat stats
compact coyote
when thinking about adding new dino dont let bias take over
waxen elk
He’s talking to me
brisk mesa
^^^^ true.
brisk mesa
I'd say Austro should have amazing survivability, but moreso in escaping a fight.
pure copper
Give Austro a rooster kick
waxen elk
Pfft
brisk mesa
If he has water nearby, unless a Deinosuchus or Suchomimus is at the same body of water
he could survive incredible things
war veteran Austros
just not really able to hunt anything other than a Dryo or fish or juvis
manic ibex
legendary austros wen
brisk mesa
manic ibex
with scars and shit
waxen elk
Except Utahraptor, because it’s Utah and Utah needs to be immortal
Whatever, bring me Herrera to nyoom on the rock boys
pure copper
Austros and Herrera’s were at war in early prog
waxen elk
Tbh
manic ibex
I like Herrera, but tree climbing should not be its gimmick. It would looks odd
manic ibex
that's a size bug
leaden night
Tbh a 700-800 pound 20ft long animal climbing is a bit weird
waxen elk
I’d still make Austro stronger not by a long shot but stronger, one could still fuck one up.
But if everyone else wants carni dryo to be Austro
It’s still Austro right?
pure copper
I don’t much care if it’s stronger as long as they’re not utterly helpess to herreas
waxen elk
250 weight mass
manic ibex
It doesn't matter what everyone want, only what Dondi wants. And he never talked about a Dryo tier carni sadly
we have some footage of Austro diving
but that's it
pure copper
Well Dryo is op so what tier would they make herrea
pure copper
Did I stutter
waxen elk
I fail to see how Dryo is OP
pure copper
It’s the most viable survival dino period 
leaden night
Dryo has nigh unmatched survivability
pure copper
This is established fact
waxen elk
Ok
barren zephyr
coarse shell
@tulip wasp yes to the invites, no to the map
tulip wasp
My question would be to why a no to the map? People reference it via tabbing anyhow.
coarse shell
if you reference it by tabbing why bother putting it in the game?
tulip wasp
because tabbing is a pain or constantly having to leave the game to look at it isn't productive when it comes to figuring out where the hell you are.
coarse shell
exploration is part of the fun
tulip wasp
Even without a personal location marker, its still a good basis in determining where you are on the map and where you want to go.
manic ibex
If we have a compass, why not a map?
coarse shell
kind of pointless when you'd just go "oh im here. ok"
tulip wasp
a map reference in game i don't think would compromise the exploration, I honestly think it would enhance it. If you can figure out your orientation, then it let you determine a general direction in which you'd like to go and explore . Easily done without having a character marker on it.
agile whale
If i'm not mistaken humans would get some kind of map of the island in-game anyhow. Giving dinosaurs a similar map wouldn't make much since imo
burnt fern
i feel like if theyre trying to make the game as realistic as they can, it would make more sense for humans to have the map and dinos to have the compass. An animal's knowledge of the land should come from memory and experience, and a human having the map would give them the teeniest of advantages to find their way around since they dont have a sortof internal magnetic compass like dinos, nor scent to find food, water, tracks or gore
the game is supposed to eventually revolve around humans right? then it'd make sense for humans to have this small advantage that makes sense with their capabilities
crystal turret
Well then give humans a fully revealed map
and dinos only reveal where they've been
true haven
@lone crypt no it should be permanent to make better enviroment, and there will be a system without affnity through mod
tulip wasp
Except, there is no difference between humans having a in game map and dino players using a map outside of the game.
thorny lynx
Who else misses old Rex broadcast? I just want a more updated version of it.
true haven
i want deeper voice of rex , especially at 3 calls
i think the new rex broadcast isnt miserably failed XD
thorny lynx
Reeeee
I miss the burst effect of Rex's 3 call, how he immediately lost his shit at will and didn't need to 'charge' his roar first
shrewd scroll
@manic ibex while Carno takes the same time as the Dilo, Dilos are a lot more survivable than Carnos during their growth, and even at Adult stage have an easier time staying alive, so I would argue that needs no rebalance
spiral pond
So are you saying that because let’s say dryo can survive almost forever that it should grow way longer then Utah or galli ?
normal fern
Eh no, I'd simply add another 15 minutes on to the adult stage so the overall growth time is 45 minutes as opposed to 30 all the way from fresh spawn to adulthood
jovial arch
Dilo "at adult stage have an easier time staying alive"
gonna have to stop you right there
nothing can catch carno except utah in ambush who hardly qualifies as a threat and it literally has 100 mins of food, lasting almost 2 day/night cycles.
Meanwhile there are 5 dinos that can catch and kill Dilo without too much difficulty, of which only one of Dilo has any shot at fighting back against. I haven't tested Dilos hunger, but im also pretty sure that it's not as good as Carnos
I think Carno has the best survivability as a 1.0 adult out of everything in the game except for Galli
Dilo does not have an easier time staying alive as an adult than Carno
shrewd scroll
I disagree, adult Dilo can not be caught by anything other than an Adult Utah or Carno, and being a Nocturnal Dino, you shouldn't be hunting too much during the day anyhow.
Even a juve Dilo can easily avoid all other Dinos at night, and with the new skin mechanic should have no trouble hiding during daytime either.
The Carno on the other Hand is a sitting duck until it reaches Adult stage.
and to reiterate the claim of adult survivability, the adult Carno can not hunt at any time unseen, but the Dilo can act with impunity at night and kite larger prey like adult Mediums.
spiral pond
You do know that juvi carno is a fast bugger now right ?
Also did you ever hear of allos as dilo ?
Maia sees you ?
Dead
native vale
You can run away from allos, though.
And maias you usually hear before they hear you - unless you keep roaring, then that's on you.
spiral pond
If allo ambushes you you are dead
I’m not sure now but I think allos have more stam then you
native vale
If the allo manages to get an ambush on you and you don't notice it in time, that's just a good hunting which succeeds for it.
- If you're further away from the allo and get your ambush up as well, it won't get you. However, you have to be wary due to the allo getting its ambush quicker than you.
- You can also usually lose it in the a tad more dense forest: Running away from an allo in the open is a bad idea.
spiral pond
You can run away if the allo is bad, dilo is skilled based Dino
You have a fair point
native vale
That's what makes dilo fun, though!
spiral pond
Yeah
But I’m worried for it
With bleed overhaul
I don’t want Utahs to facetank it
native vale
But I do agree that allo is in a rather OP state as of now. We could usually kill allos as dilos before, now it just heals too fast for us.
native vale
It will probably change once giga is back, I'm assuming.
native vale
But yeah, they are essentially gods. And after suchos nerf, they can't really get rid of them either.
sucho's*
native vale
Yeah, sadly. I'm enjoying a good ol' dibble life on one of the servers due to giga not being able to run me down.
I think we're getting a tad out of topic, though! Glad you took my points into consideration.
true haven
dilos
skill based
att night it is too op
nerf the bleeds and everything will gonna be alright
just add bite force a bit
anti fun getting 2 bite from dilo then we died
lone hatch
This is good now
coarse shell
what are yalls reasons for not accepting a different look to nest invites so they dont get confused all the time
to me it's pretty convenient
still temple
@night rose why is this in #general-feedback
rapid beacon
Thinking of a take down system, it would be alot of work because you would need 1 animation per dino to account for every other dino in the game, when the last bite will kill the other dino, instead of it just flopping over and dying, for example, the T rex would bite a spino in the neck, smash it to the ground in a badass animation. Just a thought. Also ive been having wet dreams of when you will ad Humans and tribals.
barren zephyr
@jovial arch dilo has about a night and day cycle worth of hunger
its not bad
buts its not the best
stoic token
Just tried out the dilo for the first time yesterday and literally some of the most fun I have ever tried
turbid moss
@mild token the reason night time was switched to pitch black was because of people exploiting gamma
normal fern
@manic ibex yeah, cerato having a low ambush multiplier seems fair seeing as it's meant to be a scavenger, but an increase to duration is necessary
leaden night
Can't even catch Dilo base sprint
manic ibex
@normal fern a scavenger with no rotten meat or bones to eat
or not even a buffed scent
leaden night
A scavenger who solely exists on juvs and AI
manic ibex
just a regular dino in the end
leaden night
Who also can't eat small ribs
mild token
@turbid moss I'm trying to suggest that we just see the shapes a little bit of things far away, like the shape of the mountains in the distanse far away, the top of the forest trees. Something to make it a bit easier to navigate in the dark night as nightvision only helps me to see the closes part of the ground around me. I feel like log out each time it's night time because I have no clue where I am on V3 when I try to figure that out and I wish to just know where I might be and not feel lost in the world if I'm a fresh spawned dino on a server. I always feel to be a dilo who has a great night vision who can tell me a bit more about what's around me and where I might be on the map at night. The night was better when I had easier to get a clue of where I might be. I don't enjoy this night, I also have to turn of nightvision to use scent to see footsteps on the ground, even if smelling water/blood/ribs they are colorless and nightvision has to be turned off to even be usefull for this.
Before the pitch dark night I felt better at easy to travel at night, now, it's not easy at all.
barren zephyr
Easy to travel but also easy to get shanked by gamma abusers who can see you clear as day.
mild token
What is gamma?
barren zephyr
Bumping up the light and contrast to make night as visible as day using third party programs.
vestal flame
That's why night is so dark at the moment, so at least everyone can see the same even if it isn't as fun.
mild token
I guess I should add an example to show what I mean.
pure copper
I don’t really care about night being dark , that’s kindve the idea
vestal flame
I like dark nights but they are a bit of a slog when it's near pitch black imo
Considering it takes up 50% of your time playing
vestal flame
That kind of happens when the aurora comes out
mild token
but just something to show what is far away
aurora? I don't think I have even seen aurora do anything really
vestal flame
It gets a lot brighter when the Aurora comes out
mild token
really?
and the moon light then?
even if aurora might brighten up the night the moon is up at night
vestal flame
Oh I agree that there should be moonlight and whatnot but as of now (not sure if it's temporary or not) to address gamma exploiters, night unfortunately has to be veeery dark or else people can make their game look like day pretty much
mild token
I just wish to see what the parts far away looks like
that's all I'm trying to suggest
to help navigate
the closes part can still be darker around the player
just trying to show what I mean
mild token
This night is too dark
This does not tell me where I might be.
Only without nightvision can I see colors.
subtle nymph
@manic ibex ye i know that, and thats not what am taking about. If you have played games like assassins creed origins or midle earth they have implemented a verry good photo mode. tho i understand some ppl dont want it survival mode, but it can easly be made for sanbox mode 😃
barren zephyr
I love taking screenshots of the back of my dino's head.
Honestly just a free-rotating camera mode (like K in ARK) would be super appreciated for screenshots.
native nebula
that feels like something which would be better added to the replay system when it's updated.
turbid moss
@plucky meteor look for videos in the past when that was still a thing, granted it was amazing to watch so many herbis in one spot, but at the same time, it didn't make sense that triceratops and shants and theris and other herbivores would be REALLY fine with being around eachother
But you can spot the problems with something like that as well in those videos
barren zephyr
no one is stopping you from being together
but the whole server being in 1 group
is game breaking and horrible
oblique crown
That picture is too lit up the darkness is fine you do know that most pictures taken in darkness and moon light are taken with an open aperture and long exposure? I've been in the woods at night many miles away from city lights and it was pitch black
brisk mesa
Theri is literally the most cancerous herbivore in the game.
barren zephyr
the only way theri could get put in game
is if they reworked it so hard
it becomes kentro
pure copper
Theri beats the absolute shit out of so many animals lol
rapid star
So, I've played quite a few hours of sucho now and I'm wondering, which carns can it beat? Suchos maneuverability makes it a headache to try and tail anything that you've lost the initial surprise over.
Not even carns, herbs as well.
oblique crown
Juvis and some subs
spiral pond
@sullen zinc please don’t spam the suggestion to buff Utah, if Utah deserves something then it’s a nerf. It’s literally the 4. Most survivable creature in the game. It might be able to face tank dilos and heal it so no it doesn’t deserve a buff of any kind.
sullen zinc
@spiral pond I will spam in order to scrutinize him. And it doesn’t require a nerf and a buff of characteristics to equalize with the same Dilo, I have already made a video comparing the damage done to Dilo and Utah in equal conditions. It will be in the future if the scrum does not see the wish of the active player.
spiral pond
- They will both die 1V1 now
- Utah will FACETANK dilo next patch
Utah has more hp and dmg then dilo so idk what you’re saying
Like dude
You can astride dilo
sullen zinc
@spiral pond 1. Do you have a table on HP in Dilo and Utah?
2. Utah has no new mechanics of a swoop, and from where do you have information that it will be added in a new patch?
3. Good luck does not have to roll in a fight with a predator of your size. Only skill and a stable Internet should decide
sullen zinc
@spiral pond where did you get these numbers?
jovial arch
utah has 1200/900 hp/weight and 125/15 or 10 damage over bleed, whereas dilo is 1050/1050 and 15/50
However, in actual combat, Utah handles bleed better and has approximately 30 seconds of run time in combat, deals more damage, turns better, and has a higher speed. Utah only needs 7 hits to kill Dilo with bleed, standing or sitting, so if the Utah is skilled and kamikazis the Dilo the Dilo should die pretty much every time.
Overall, in a maximum skill scenario, both fighters should die.
I would say that with decreasing levels of skill, the matchup actually tends to favor Utah, however, because the at the lowest level of skill face tanking is a much more common strategy and a Utah can face tank a Dilo and live. And as long as a Utah pursues a Dilo and tries to kill it, it should usually die. I would say that while the matchup is mostly even, I would give the odds to the Utah. Very simply put, provided both combatants actually try to fighting and kill the other without running away and simply giving up, it is more likely (very slightly) that the Utah will live, however, in general, it should be most common for both to die.
the primary problem here is that Utah undoubtedly has much better survivability than a Dilo. Dilo is 3 mph slower, has a lower ambush multiplier (in ambush Utah is 130% of normal speed, Dilo is 110% of normal speed), Utah has a lower prep time for ambush by one second, and Utah has lower hunger demands than Dilo who only lasts approximately a single day/night cycle. You may argue that Dilo can see during the night and thus has better survivability during the night, but Utah has absolutely no difficulty simply hopping up on top of an unclimbable rock for the entire night. It can simply hunt at day instead. Therefore, it cannot really be said that Dilo has better survivability at night due to superior vision, as a Utah can easily hide for the entire night on top of a rock.
I would say that in terms of actual application though, Utah seems to be something more of a survivalist as opposed to actually capable of hunting anything whereas Dilo is pretty much our current giant slayer. It's got enough mobility and speed to get in and out when attacking apexes, and its very high bleed allows it to stack up bleed on large, less agile dinosaurs without too much difficulty. Utah is extremely difficult to catch and kill and combined with eating near nothing surviving is a breeze, whereas with Dilo, while you get fucked (or used to at least) by pretty everything less than 4k weight you're arguably the best equipped dino in the game to take on apexes (besides apexes, of course). Utah is still pretty good at taking on apexes though, you just need to be more persistent and dedicated. With less than a third the bleed, you need many more bites than Dilo to hunt big things, and this allows for more opportunity to slip up and die. Overall though, I wouldn't rank Utah much worse at giant slaying than Dilo, but Dilo is better.
.
Tldr; Dilo is better at killing things than Utah is, sure, but the game mode is survival, and while neither really wins vs the other in combat, in terms of actual surviving, Utah shits on Dilo
spiral pond
Thank you threetails for explaining it to him
jovial arch
but uh
while that is true
i think dilo is gonna shit on utah next patch
but tbh
we'll have to wait and see
making judgements before we've actually seen how gameplay pans out is preemptive
sullen zinc
@jovial archI fully agree with your arguments, Utah often dies in confrontations with large predators, especially when you die from Rex's bite when he didn’t go through you do you think, but it turns out that you just delayed your death for a couple of seconds
spiral pond
We will see
jovial arch
honestly
balance changes rn pretty pointless
because the combat system is about to be entirely changed next patch
stray citrus
We'll see if bleed is ever changed to not kill someone, then bleeding a dino out is pretty damn hard
warped harbor
It's definitely making it in soon but it'll mostly be a test
Nothing is set in stone
sullen zinc
My goal is for Utah to be relatively equal in battle with Dilo in real game conditions and not in dry numbers.
jovial arch
rn they usually both die
yeah
i actually think the way the matchup goes rn is really stupid
why do they both die
spiral pond
But dilo takes longer to grow if I’m right
jovial arch
whoever is more skilled/fights better should come out on top
warped harbor
The problem after the bleed change would be that dilo can't possibly kill a utah with just its bite
stray citrus
Utah's hunger drains quicker if I'm correct
jovial arch
well
spiral pond
Yea
warped harbor
Though it has a much faster bite...
spiral pond
That’s what I’m worried for
spiral pond
Didn’t they slow down the bite for dilo ?
jovial arch
Rn the strategy on Dilo is to bite Utah twice and run away
warped harbor
Been discussed 😉
jovial arch
if there's a limp threshold it decreases run time for utah
and once utah is limping
it's over
Utah will bleed out faster
spiral pond
Possibly
warped harbor
It'll either be a limp or actually force you to rest
jovial arch
and if can't can't dilo
warped harbor
We'll see how it goes
spiral pond
But Utah might just bite dilo to death
warped harbor
Cause you really shouldn't be able to keep running at 1 health while bleeding hard
jovial arch
yeah
warped harbor
We'll very likely get something though, and even then, after testing the patch we'll be able to tell what other change needs to be made
sullen zinc
@spiral pond can't just bite to death since dile with 2 bites hangs 2 drops
warped harbor
Now that I'm looking that was also talked about
Damage can easily be buffed if necessary
spiral pond
To 50
warped harbor
To anything really
spiral pond
Which is still less then half of utah dmg
jovial arch
well I mean, if you think about it mathematically, each hit off dilo shaves off 1 second of run time
rn dilo takes like 69 hits to kill utah but with 50 dmg it's only ~21 hits
and utah only has like 22 seconds of run time assuming there's a limp threshold
so
sullen zinc
@warped harbor Are you already testing new combat mechanics?
warped harbor
Nope, there's nothing to test for now
Currently us testers can only play on public branch though soon enough we'll be able to test the new patches before they come out and make sure nothing is on fire
So that only we get burned and not you guys
sullen zinc
@warped harbor In fact at the moment about the fact that only our assumptions will change the combat system of the dinos? Or everyone has a direct development plan from patch to patch and the community from Russia does not know about its origin
warped harbor
I don't understand exactly what you mean but, anyone can suggest things that can be added into the game, as well as know just about anything the devs publicly say about this game
There's no set plan for things as everything is subject to change
spiral pond
Tbh I’m kinda interested how will bleed affect para box kick and trike stomp, if bleed will make para unable to use its kick, Dilos or Utah’s might have chance of 1V1 para
warped harbor
Doesn't it destroy them with one headbutt anyway?
sullen zinc
@warped harbor I was embarrassed that everyone here is confidently talking about him
jovial arch
well, the thing is that dondi who is the lead developer does development steams and sometimes makes comments about future development and such
I try to watch as many of the streams as i can
I also do a lot of testing in game
sullen zinc
@jovial arch Understand thanks for the information and you can find out where you get the info on the current stats of dinosaurs?
jovial arch
I've done a lot of testing to find out what they are
warped harbor
There is no easy way to know them
burnt lodge
I think they were asking for a way to do so. Something along the lines of a server log that records a player's steam id, what they were and when they logged in/ out. Of course it would only be accessible by the server admins...
valid zephyr
@barren zephyr making their growth faster could be one way of balancing things. Though maybe keep trike how it is due to that one still being well played
but yeah somthing really needs to be done about the carni/herbi imbalance
plucky meteor
when does the patch with ne no bleed come?
true haven
next patch i think
leaden night
@valid zephyr Who cares about juv clubbing
Literally every herbivore is capable of it
Nothing they can do about it outside of speeding them up
valid zephyr
wasn't that one of the main reasons para speed was nerfed? it was just used to run down any carni juvi it saw
the slow speed would also stop it running down adult carnis that had no chance in hell of fighting it like allos
barren zephyr
perhaps its aceleration should have been nerfed instead
rather then its speed values
but who knows, not me clearly
the problem was they nerfed both damage and speed
no the problem is the players
crystal turret
Who cares what happens to juvis? Nearly every adult can run a juvi down can't they
crystal turret
You can still do that with a Maia though. It just can't do the damage to kill them
And para kick requires you to be still. So a slight dmg Nerf and an acceleration Nerf seems a better approach
barren zephyr
the problem is para has no momentum
so it can run up to something
and immediately kick
id rather it get all its damage back
and half its speed
or like
75% of both
crystal turret
It should probably be a smidge faster than an Allo
barren zephyr
all i can say is that para and all larger dinos need a small delay before being at full speed
unless thyere ambushing
crystal turret
Like carno delay or longer?
barren zephyr
herbs will have smaller delay then carnis
so if a carni wants to kill something it really needs to be close to ambush
might aswell since theyre ambush lasts so long
leaden night
@valid zephyr Para could run down and 2 shot adult Allos
No one gives a shit about juvs
Plus Para can still run down most juvs
They're stupidly slow
valid zephyr
my point still stands about making it slow to stop it hunting down mid tier carnis for fun though
barren zephyr
@mild token quick question
Are u suggesting fixing the night for gamma users?
@ me when u respond
brisk mesa
Yes but unfort Comrade, the idea is not the best. As mentioned, causing a delay which would prevent it from sprinting in and kicking shit, and a slight damage nerf, would have been balancing.
Instead we have a slow and weak turd.
mild token
@barren zephyr idk, I just wish to be able to see what is far away so I can try and count that out when traveling at night. The pitch black night makes me not wanna travel always if I spawn in at night and I want to know where I am on the map. I heard that gamma users makes the night bright and that is why we got this pitch black night.
barren zephyr
Oh ok
brisk mesa
Camarasaurus could be a good playable tho
barren zephyr
Its a temp fix
Once there is actual solution it wil change
Idk why no one understands that
brisk mesa
I mean, it's actually small enough to where Mercenaries would not Alt-F4 it...
barren zephyr
Atleast not a lot of people
the problem with cama is A. the moveset and B. its uniqueness factor
brisk mesa
and it probably would not take a stupid amount of time to grow to be balanced.
brisk mesa
Remove stomp, make high trample.
brisk mesa
Is any large, slow herbivore garbage for gameplay?
steady cosmos
yep
brisk mesa
Cama ingame atm is shorter than a Trex at the hip.
barren zephyr
Shorter the. Shaunt^
barren zephyr
Wrong^+
steady cosmos
not all herbis.
barren zephyr
^^^^ right
steady cosmos
Just the large ones.
brisk mesa
Camarasaurus is like, imagine Anky and Trike had a baby.
barren zephyr
But theres a basic concept that "big is better" in this game
brisk mesa
Basically that w/o bleed or bone break.
barren zephyr
So people go big herbs
I persoanlly inly play para cus i cant make a good maia skin
brisk mesa
I mean, why is that a problem keele?
brisk mesa
Can't ruin something that doesnt exist.
brisk mesa
The choice to get rid of Progression was clear that an ecosystem doesnt matter.
In the eyes of everyone that supports it's removal.
barren zephyr
It never helped
brisk mesa
You can't incentivise people to pick small tiers, in a lot of cases.
Bigger = Better.
Even when it's not true lol.
barren zephyr
but dryo is god
Once we have mechanics and unique niches
It will be different
But rn
Bigger is simply better
Which sucks
brisk mesa
No it won't because there's a simple issue. There is no incentive to actually survive.
If it was, being better at staying alive, so small tier
barren zephyr
Affinity?
barren zephyr
gotta wait for death of old age i guess
I mean
Its a survival game
The only thing u lose is ur life
So it should be pretty obvious
barren zephyr
Living is the only goal
valid zephyr
i think a pocket sauropod could be quite enjoyable personally
barren zephyr
yeah surviving from hatchlinbg to adult as a pue was a achivement alright
brisk mesa
There's no consequence to death aside from being set back to square one, or reward for staying alive.
barren zephyr
Cus people keep making games for 10yr olds @brisk mesa 🤧
valid zephyr
either a mid sized sauropod, or a rebalanced shant with a heaviliy nerfed speed
brisk mesa
I discussed this with @cyan flame earlier, he DM'd me about something and I explained to him how Survival games dont encourage survival.
barren zephyr
para is alredy filling the role of a large hadrosaur thought
brisk mesa
Para is filling the role of meals on wheelz rn
brisk mesa
Whatever the thing ingame is, it's definetly not the amazing Para.
Being a larger X is not a niche.
cyan flame
Oh hi Watt :p
brisk mesa
I don't disagree.
barren zephyr
i mean we can go old fashion and make sauropods eat seaweed from the bottom of lakes
languid ember
Don't let all of this distract you from the fact dilo needs a nv nerf
barren zephyr
Dilo needs a publisher ban
dilo wont be able to kill when the new bleed comes in
so youre safe
atleast somewhat
Why does everyone keep sayin that
Bite a few times
It bleeds to hell
Dont let it sit
valid zephyr
para is filling the roll of meals with a flat tire on its wheels
barren zephyr
1 shot later
brisk mesa
Ikr Keele
barren zephyr
No one knows hm health the bleed will leave u
brisk mesa
So Dilo needs 1 bite on something he bled out
barren zephyr
1 ho
barren zephyr
IF U CANT KILL IT
brisk mesa
Dilos still can kill rexes lmfao
barren zephyr
Uninstall
brisk mesa
^^^^
This nerf makes you need a minimum of effort
not just, bite, your dead, have fun while I hide away
barren zephyr
Hurr durr stop nerfing my dilo
unless u can kill it
isint dilo the slowest of the small dinos thought
and im pretty sure pachy can wut 3-4 shot it
But it can 2 shot pachy with bleed
+1 quick tap and its dead
if it gets away but pachy is fast unless its night in a forest
Bleed
Scent
And tracks
Problem solved
And dilo has nv
Problem sollvvvvved
ok so how do you balance it
Balance what
dilo
Wait until bleed gets fixed
Im not a game dev
Idek where we started talking about balancing
U said it couldnt kill anything
And i disagreed
not with bleed alone i meant
atleast it now needs to kill something
not just 1 punchman everything with the bleed
Thats sounds much more balanced then before
Bleed alone not killing means prey can run away now,at least. Dilo will have to put more effort into either tracking or getting hits in as opposed to sneaking a few ambush bites and waiting.
valid zephyr
how will this effect defensive bleed creatures like dibble or stego?
faint vector
same. if a weakened enemy cant run away, you can, or finish it off. I dont see any change in it, simply it wont bleed to death.