general-feedback-discussion

[languid ember]

but it still don't see how a dilo gets ran down by a fucking para unless you actually walk up in the paras face. The para is like 12 meters closer to the dilo after a minute of running, that's how small the difference is

[coarse shell]

@barren zephyr would rather not make growing an apex easier

[barren zephyr]

What are you talking about?

Right now way easier to get up to an apex

since you just sit in a bush

and eat ai

because you can't

kill anything

you would have way bigger chance to fail

[coarse shell]

yeah and.. that's easy?

[barren zephyr]

if you would actually try to hunt something

Yes

Easy af

[leaden night]

It doesn't take much to sit in a bush and eat AI

[barren zephyr]

Ye.

I don't know, last 5 try of going up to adult apex

was like

5/4

3 time giga and 1 time rex

Literally sitting in a bush and killing ai

[leaden night]

Sub Giga suffers from omega bad

It's slow, can't turn for shit and does no damage

[barren zephyr]

Making it more viable could mean its taking the risk

[coarse shell]

sub rex is fine where it is. sub giga could use a dmg boost but if you buffed them to where they could fend themselves off easy by bleeders it'd fuck everything up lol

[barren zephyr]

No, Sub giga has actually pretty good raw dmg

but no bleed

[lone crypt]

Sub Rex is decent

[barren zephyr]

Ye

since it's speed

[leaden night]

Sub Giga needs a better turn and more bleed

[lone crypt]

Adult Rex is garbage

[coarse shell]

and even if that buff was given no one would bother risking their sub to go after and hunt other players lol

[lone crypt]

Sub giga is fine the way it is

[leaden night]

Fine

[barren zephyr]

better gameplay experience tho?

and also

[leaden night]

Sub Giga gets facetanked by Carno at max size

[barren zephyr]

still bigger risk to get killed

than sitting in a bush

[lone crypt]

Until change happens, no change is needed

[barren zephyr]

No

you are very wrong

XD

Sub giga at max size

[coarse shell]

sub giga literally dies to a 1.0 juvie cerato

[barren zephyr]

fuck the carno

like a bitch

[coarse shell]

ive tested it

lmao

[lone crypt]

You gotta be more careful

[barren zephyr]

prob gonna die in bleed

but sub giga has decent bleed

[lone crypt]

You have to stay under cover as any dinosaur

[barren zephyr]

iu mean

decent

raw dmg

bleed is pile of shit

[leaden night]

You gotta stay under cover

[lone crypt]

Yeah

[leaden night]

Can you not do that with literally anything else

[lone crypt]

Don’t run around in fields and avoid large noises

[leaden night]

Sub Giga still sucks

[lone crypt]

It’s easy af

[leaden night]

It's also huge

[lone crypt]

Stay in remote areas

[leaden night]

You're not making any point here

[lone crypt]

Lol neither are you

[coarse shell]

bruh

[lone crypt]

My point is that you’re not playing it right

[leaden night]

[coarse shell]

cooks from your previous suggestions and arguments you dont play anything right

[lone crypt]

If you die, shit happens, you can get mad, but you just gotta deal with it

Lmao my only actual suggestion is buff the Rex speed because it’s slower than a juvie giga

[leaden night]

Sub Giga functionally cannot do anything outside of sitting in a bush occasionally eating AI

Which is the problem

[coarse shell]

uhh no way rex is slower than a juvie giga? lmao

rex can catch an oro. juvie giga cant

unless the ai bugs out that is

[lone crypt]

Juvie giga runs as 27 km, Rex is 26

It gets a little faster with time, but it remains 26-27 for the majority

[leaden night]

Sub rex can actually hunt shit that aren't AI while sub Giga is both too slow and weak to risk doing that

[lone crypt]

yeah I can agree sub giga could use a minor speed buff

But that’s it

[coarse shell]

no speed buff, just dmg buff

[leaden night]

A turn buff would help

[jovial arch]

if sub giga

tbh

sub giga could use more damage

it deals less than rex

lmao

[leaden night]

I mean that makes sense

[jovial arch]

no

it deals less than sub rex

[leaden night]

Sub rex is built as a glass cannon

Sub Giga needs bleed

[jovial arch]

yes

i haven't actually tested sub giga heal

[leaden night]

It sucks

[jovial arch]

ima get the actual numbers tho

cause i don't have em

[leaden night]

Kk

Sub Giga mostly needs more bleed and a better turn

And a small speed increase

[jovial arch]

sub giga's run turn

is the same as its walk turn

im p sure

[jovial arch]

welp

did some testing

can confirm that while the bleed heal is shit

giga sub bleed res isn't that bad

in fact

it's pretty good

[coarse shell]

also rex outruns a juvie giga big time so lol

[languid ember]

sub giga bleed res is same as adult

[jovial arch]

welp

one way or another

i wasn't to second crit until after 3 bleed healed

[coarse shell]

it is? doesnt feel the same

[leaden night]

The bleed heal is the big bad

[jovial arch]

adult giga also has higher hp regen

[leaden night]

Anyway buff juv rex bleed heal to 5 when

[languid ember]

no, same there too

[jovial arch]

yeah, the bleed regen is about the same as sub rex

took 16 mins to heal

sub rex was like 15:20 but i wasn't too precise

i think they might actually be the same heal rate

just that sub giga has much better bleed res

i think it might be double

[coarse shell]

well thats one good thing ive heard about sub giga other than it being absolute shite

[languid ember]

sub rex has 1 more bleed heal per min when resting i'm very sure

[jovial arch]

i mean

i tested it today

*I tested sub giga today and sub rex yesterday

and sub rex took me 15 min

put me to 3rd crit

[languid ember]

they both heal 3 bleed per min standing. Sub giga heals 6 sitting while sub rex heals 7

sorry no, sub giga heals 4 standing

[verbal acorn]

Young Gigas need descent bleed damage if they are to remain so slow. Or leave the damage as is and give it better turn.

Young meaning juvi and sub-adult

Perhaps, make juvi Giga do more bleed, but improve turn for sub-adult.

That way it’s consistent with its growth progression, instead of magically turning from an ugly duckling to a swan in terms of stats once it hits adult

[mellow fox]

Tbh the juvi Giga is like the 3rd meanest and baddest

Of the juvies

After Dilo and Cerato

It is the sub that is almost complete trash

[coarse shell]

nah

dilo is 3rd biggest meanie

juvie giga shits on it

if both were 1.0, that is

[leaden night]

Juv Dilo is more consistently strong

[jovial arch]

It seems

I got the audio thing wrong

Whether you can hear something behind you seems to be dependent on what Dino you are

Not what dino is coming

[vestal rune]

What's the point of the adrenaline system?

@shrewd vine currently we don't know if tree climbing is possible, so we don't know if that works

[shrewd vine]

H m m m Alrighty! Well I tried!

I hope in the near future it would be available tho <3

[jade schooner]

Also microraptor is too small

[shrewd vine]

Nahh there would just have to be a lot of stuff put into the game to accomplish it.

[south fern]

Yo, with the new IK system where like the dinos can conform to the terrain, do you think that could be slightly tweaked to improve swimming to include up and down animations and diving? Plus it would maybe make fishing a little closer and be useful for the dieno they've been working on.

[vestal rune]

I believe the plan is for most dinosaurs to swim like they currently do but some which are more adapted (fishers, dienos) will be able to swim up and down

[jade schooner]

Aka: Spinosaurids

I feel like the birdlike swimming should keep as it is in all carnivores (except of course spinosaurids, and keep it the same with austro but with the ability to dive)
Spinosaurids should have a more lizard like kind of swimming

The herbivores are all pretty good

[minor basalt]

@buoyant jacinth idk if you already know this but that dilo isn't replacing the current one, it was done with the skin system so you'll be able to make those edits yourself ingame once it's out

[buoyant jacinth]

o

[violet magnet]

thank God

that thing has a candy cane at the tip of its tail

[steady cosmos]

What if spinosaurus just swam like a normal dinosaur

[coarse shell]

@verbal acorn its bleed and dmg are fine tf

doesnt need to be changed

[jade schooner]

@buoyant jacinth the colours are done with the skin system applied, so you'll be able to change it

[verbal acorn]

Yeah, it needs more Bleed to improve its ambush, at the expense of less success face tanking

It’s hit & run sucks vs heavier prey

It currently has to ambush, then sit and brawl....its a waste of bleed and the ambush

[violet magnet]

i can't think of anything that can survive a giga bite except trike, rex, and other gigas

breh

[verbal acorn]

Exactly, so it’s a non-game changer except for large/larger targets. Let the Bleed be more beneficial vs Trikes and other large opponents.

So face tanking a Trike would be a win for a Trike, but a good ambush allows for enough Bleed to defeat the Trike.

Even if it means buffing Trike damage to insure face tanking is to its advantage vs the Giga

[violet magnet]

it shouldn't be easy to take down the big things either tho

i think threetails tested it a while back and a giga can just bite a trike once, then keep it on its feet for ten minutes and the trike bleeds out

and rex's bleed resist is atrocious

[verbal acorn]

I know. Buff Trike so it surely wins a head on face-tank...buff Giga Bleed so it can rapidly apply enough bleed during an ambush to disengage and leave the Trike highly vulnerable to death.

Yeah, Rex Bleed resist would stay, so the Giga would still struggle in a brawl vs Rex.

You sure a single Giga bite will bleed a Trike? That doesn’t seem right

[jovial arch]

Uh

Not just one

The specific number is 5

I think everything dies from 3 bleed

If it’s standing up

[verbal acorn]

I tested it tonight. I killed a Trike with 7 bites, it died with 2 bleed left. So I could believe 5 bites...though 5 at the time didn’t seem like it was going to do it, that’s why I gave him 2 more.

I feel like 4 would be better. So you could get 2-3 on an unaware Trike, then would need to get 1-2 more while tanking to finish it off.

But face tanking it from the very beginning would be s losing effort since it could pile on damage faster and leave you mortally wounded.

[jovial arch]

5 takes 16 or 17 min

you will be waiting

all day

@verbal acorn

[verbal acorn]

I’m patient...

Though I think that’s too long...the Giga should have devastating bleed...having better bleed would at least close the gap some vs the devastation of Rex’s bone break.

As of now, the Giga is the unApex apex since it’s essentially ineffective vs all Apex anything.

Better bleed would at least make Giga a viable Apex vs other Apex(excluding Rex) if the player can at least pull off a successful ambush and deliver a preemptive strike of Bleeds on an unaware opponent.

[wintry cipher]

giga is the best apex at hunting. it doesnt need stronger bleed when it has a whopping 15 seconds ambush to catch anything thats clearly off the menu for all other apexes

might also be a good idea to consider the potential flesh grazing mechanic

which means it would be able to sustain itself during more drawn out battles

[verbal acorn]

Bleed is useless vs those prey items...Gigas kill them through bite damage. Our bleed is wasted unless it’s a viable threat vs tougher prey who would ordinarily beat us in a straight face tank. That means using bleed to defeat tougher prey caught unaware using a proper ambush...

Though, if grazing could be used on Trikes and larger prey, I’d trade it for bleed if it provides descent food.

Though I hope grazing also includes bleed

[wintry cipher]

I would think thats a given since your literally ripping chunks of flesh off of someone. That's going to cause bleeding.

[jovial arch]

Uh

Gonna have to be honest with you here, the bleed is extremely effective

It’s just slow

Bleed is all about being patient

If you’re patient enough it’s fucking broken

Giga can engage trike with no risk

Like

Deadass

It’s a 50/50 trike fucks up and dies or Giga wins

Imo

That’s overwhelmingly favoring the Giga

The only situation that Giga dies in is where it seriously screws up

And bleed is extremely useful

If Giga didn’t have its bleed

It couldn’t catch and kill Allo

Seriously

[idle charm]

Yh giga is op

[jovial arch]

If Giga had 10-15 less bleed, Allo could just run thru Giga, tank one hit

And run away and sit down

Easy

[idle charm]

Yh

[jovial arch]

Allo can already run for like 1 min+ off 1 bite

[idle charm]

But went the giga a grabber as well with its giant mouth

[jovial arch]

Uh

[idle charm]

Could easily grab prey

[jovial arch]

I’m specifically addressing cocajins comment

[idle charm]

Oh

[jovial arch]

That Gigas bleed isn’t useful

[idle charm]

Sorry

[jovial arch]

I dunno about grabbing

No idea

[idle charm]

Lol

I used to watch walking with dinosaurs

[jovial arch]

What I can say is that Gigas bleed is critical

[idle charm]

Yh

Small Dino's ain't got a chance

I wonder if the isle will be on consoles in the future

[jovial arch]

🤷

Could be could not be I have no clue

[languid ember]

Giga has 35 base bleed, why the hell does it need more?

[violet magnet]

can't oneshot a trike, giga is broken

/sarcasm

[normal fern]

If anything giga should get a base damage nerf

[barren zephyr]

@modern tide herds are already the perfect defense

you try hunting anything in a big herd and chances are you get your ass whooped

[tawny dust]

@slate cove no

[barren zephyr]

but w h y n o t ?

xd

[slate cove]

why ;-; is so hard to get to the other team mate ;-; xD

[barren zephyr]

depends on what you are

[slate cove]

:/

[idle charm]

God the deinosucus looks kool if the isle were to spread to console players I would deffinatly play as it

[tawny dust]

well deino isn't in the game yet so even if it did move to console, you couldn't play it.
but this is offtopic

[wintry cipher]

@slate cove there's this magical thing called nesting you should try

@modern tide herds are already highly defensible and dangerous for even a pack to take on. If you want even more defensible, perhaps the things in the herd that can't fight should do the one good thing they can do: run AWAY.

Otherwise you will have cases of herds that can only be attacked by hypos. The idea is if you don't want the whole herd dying you let the slow/stupid die and bring them back in later. Preds get filled up and lose track of your scent trails by that time, so they likely can't find you again

[verbal acorn]

Let’s stop looking at balance based on who kills or dies first...it’s pointless if you both die. As a predator, the only thing that matters is the viability to kill and survive the encounter in order to feed...or a Herb to force a disengagement or escape opportunity so it can live. 5 bites for a Giga to bleed a Trike is requiring too much. I’d also argue the Trike requires too many gores to mortally wound a Giga.

The Trike needs to be able to mortally wound or deter a Giga from continuing an attack earlier on if in a face to face fight. But the Giga should be able to deliver enough bleed with a surprise attack to allow the Giga to break off the attack and bleed the Trike out...or only need 1-2 more bites to guarantee the kill with minimal exposure to a mortal number of gores.

The Trike needs to have a more decisive advantage in a face off, the Giga a more decisive advantage in a surprise attack, so both can improve its survival rate under its advantage.

[next nexus]

nesting

[bold fjord]

moving your legs

[icy venture]

upvotes own suggestion

[brisk mesa]

@verbal acorn I mean, TBF, herbivores need to be able to do more than just force disengagement, because Carnivores have categorically better healing.

But aside from that nitpick yes, I totally agree with your premise, but I would even take it a step further;
If bleed is made deadlier in the short term, but far, far more survivable, it wouldn't just remedy that scenario, but many others, far less of a problem. If, when resting, pretty every dinosaur would have amazing bleed resistance & heal, better bleed resistance when running for most dinosaurs - so they can actually back off / disengage / escape an attack long enough to find somewhere to rest, BUT bleed did the damage tick back to what it used to, so instead of every 3 seconds it deals it's penance every second...
Bleed is 3 times as lethal outright, but survivable by nearly every dinosaur if you can manage to back off and sit down.

[wintry cipher]

@final jasper you can do that with your own species and only your own species currently

they used to be able to do it with other species and that got taken away due to abuse

[barren zephyr]

yea

you can invite herbies

[final jasper]

So Herbivores won't be able to make a group with other herbivores for some time?

[barren zephyr]

no they can

they can make a group with other herbies of same speices

but not different speices as megaherds go around murdering everything

not taht they dont do it as of now

[umbral prairie]

same with carnis

[final jasper]

Atleast there should be a setting so set a limit to how many people there can be in a group..

[barren zephyr]

i mean

their isnt one as of now

but generally you wont find to many of the same speicies as a big herbie

as a small one like dryo

[final jasper]

I mean herbivores grouping with herbivores of other species..

[barren zephyr]

numbers are your defence

ah

they can no longer due that

due to being busted and unfun

[final jasper]

I know that they can't do so currently atleast

[barren zephyr]

yea

they wont be able to

[final jasper]

Or make it a setting to be able to invite other herbivore species to the same group

[wintry cipher]

you cant. as was said, it was a thing before

and people abused it

theres a reason it was removed

group limits will likely be added as well in the future

[final jasper]

Kinda irritating when you have to talk to your herd in global just because you can't see what they type in neither group nor local

[wintry cipher]

because its like a dog and a cat speaking the same language

they cant

you know the important stuff anyways through the calls

danger? 4 call and alert the herd

[stable cloud]

I like the tab option where it tells you your own species. Obviously, shouldn’t show everyone’s species, but just your own would be awesome.

[barren zephyr]

@final jasper i didnt know there was a global on official servers

[final jasper]

I am not playing on official servers

[barren zephyr]

Then why does it matter

Any server wit global chat is hot garbage

And its very obvious paras dont understand trikes

But we all know what a blood curdling scream sounds like

[final jasper]

The server is always full(80/80) so the global chat is always spammed by herbivores etc

[barren zephyr]

What ever server your playing on is irrelevant

Dev/official servers are what is important here

Global chat shouldnt even be a thing

Only a mod tool

[final jasper]

You have never played on a popular non-official server, have you?

[lament thorn]

If it's not official it doesn't matter

[brisk mesa]

^^^^

That's just the fact of the matter, development wise

The devs shouldn't fix problems that don't exist in the intended experience.

It's like servers that disable alt-turn

Good job, Utah's solo Trexes.

Not a problem that exists on Dev/Official servers

Would you expect a nerf to Utahs, or a buff to Rexes, just because of that?

[leaden night]

Utahs solo juv rexes does that count Exactly

[barren zephyr]

@final jasper nawh they all seem pretty garbage with toxic communities

Shitty rules

And shitty staff

[final jasper]

Well, people like you are one of those reasons

[lament thorn]

Huh?

[barren zephyr]

Excuse e moi?

[lament thorn]

If he's not part of those communities how is he one of those reasons??

[final jasper]

You are basically calling ALL servers that aren't official garbage, which means you have hardly played on any non-official servers

[barren zephyr]

Boiiiii @ me when u can figure out ur name is

Also sre?

[lament thorn]

I think they accidentally cut the sentence off

Oh there it is

[coarse shell]

can we go back to talking about the suggestion kthx

[brisk mesa]

No, he's just had a massive turnoff

from the ones he did play.

[coarse shell]

but all in all if its not an official server you're playing on, suggesting stuff for it is useless

[mighty girder]

Herbivores dont need to be able to group with species besides their own

you have all the communication tools you need

[final jasper]

So you mean that there is NO idiots playing on the official servers? Is THAT what you mean??

[mighty girder]

4 if you wanna say run

3 if someones 2 close

[lament thorn]

They can group without actually talking

[barren zephyr]

@brisk mesa turn off doesnt describe it

[mighty girder]

F for general chatter

[barren zephyr]

@final jasper #401470471750811669

[final jasper]

YOU are the one who started this, so YOU should NOT be telling me this

[lament thorn]

I think you started it with the pointless suggestion

[final jasper]

All I did was ask a question, and You, @barren zephyr , were the one who started a moronic discussion

[barren zephyr]

#401470471750811669 so i can make u feel moronic please

[final jasper]

By basically calling all non-official servers garbage and and players playing on them toxic. You, Sir, are such an idiot

[barren zephyr]

Yes yes what ever u say now leave these nice suggestion people alone and allow me to explain why ur server is garbage in #401470471750811669

[jovial arch]

ngl tho

he has a point

flaming him doesn't help

though to be fair

@barren zephyr

is also right

the goal of the devs is to develop the game

[barren zephyr]

I proved my point in my first msg

[jovial arch]

not make sure other servers are balanced

you can't really argue against that

[final jasper]

All I did was ask a question, and that idiot start being toxic, how is that not a problem?

[jovial arch]

well

at this point you're both angry

and p much just shitposting eachother

[lament thorn]

You didn't really accept the answer tho?

[jovial arch]

might as well stop

[mighty girder]

Flame wars arent allowed btw

js

[barren zephyr]

Just remember i tried to move it out of the chat

[final jasper]

Way too late for that'

[barren zephyr]

Well ya im over it

[sweet oasis]

@final jasper @barren zephyr Yo.

Cut the flame war.

[barren zephyr]

We just finished💙

[sweet oasis]

We all have opinions about peoples' servers and all, but this level of antagonism over it is completely unnecessary and unrelated to this channel.

See to it that it doesn't happen again.

[mighty girder]

@restive summit I believe the Neuro is supposed to be able to mimic sounds from other creatures, but not 100% sure since its very undeveloped atm and we dont know much about the strain itself

[languid ember]

@mellow fox yo, wrong channel bud

[mellow fox]

Yeah sorry

@quasi stream so as I mentioned

Most audio devices aren't capable of broadcasting infrasounds

[quasi stream]

Well yeah, but still it would be cool to get scared and you don't know why

And when I say scared like in real life just your heart starts beating for no reason

[mellow fox]

Yeah, but ultrasound producing audio devices cost like

[quasi stream]

infra

[mellow fox]

Plenty thousands of dollars

Infra

Dunno why I said ultra

[quasi stream]

You don't need to buy a mechanism to produce the sound for you

And the thing is about Infrasounds, that's the point, you don't hear them

You don't need good headphones to hear them because the human ear can't hear bellow 20

Hz

[mellow fox]

Man, most audio devices can barely hit the 20 Hz frequency

[sweet oasis]

(I cleaned up the stuff in #general-feedback, ty for tag)

[mellow fox]

But the device itself can't emmit the frequency

Most audio devices aren't not using infrasounds because humans can't hear them, it is because the device itself is incapable of producing

Such a frequency

So your average laptop or pc wouldn't do anything

@sweet oasis thanks and sorry for commenting in the wrong channel

[sweet oasis]

dw

[wintry cipher]

@marble cedar might not be all that helpful in most scenarios (a lot of the hunts I've participated in can last upwards of 5 minutes), but could be an interesting little tool to snapshot the last 30 seconds or so of your life maybe. which can be useful in ambush scenarios

[quasi stream]

@marble cedar You have the Replay option

Go back and see how he killed you

[barren zephyr]

its not a fps

no thank you

[jovial arch]

so

@barren zephyr

i've done some testing

and I got confused by my first test

how audio actually works

is some dinos can hear things behind them

while others can't

take dilo for example, who seems to be able to hear everything behind him

whereas allo can't hear anything

it's all very confusing

it would take a ton of time to test, and im not honestly not that pumped about testing audio

bleed isn't bad because i can just sit there and read a book, damage is typically pretty fast, but audio

[barren zephyr]

why must you do dis

ok

ill make my sugggestion better

👍

[thorny lynx]

@barren zephyr Please stop suggesting that. The devs are going to end up striking you for spam.

[coarse shell]

and its getting annoying as fuk

[thorny lynx]

Yes, i would like dilo to have a faster ambush and faster base running speed, but you mention it every day and it is even in your name.

Give the devs time to prioritize on things that are needed right now, like skins, IT, Cerato, Sucho, Pachy, and not to mention, the code rework and combat overhaul

[jade schooner]

IK*

[dreamy wharf]

@barren zephyr TURN. RADIUS.

Dilo needs to be able to dodge, currently, it struggles to do so.

Making the dilo faster would just break it.

[wraith trout]

#MAKE DILO MORE AGILE

[bright jay]

Does anyone know the best dino to play as for duos?

[brisk mesa]

Dilo would benefit way more from agility than speed.

It would allow it to be completely off the menu of a Utah or Carno;

From my experience, even a Para can, if it sees a Carno coming, trot around in a tight, small u-turn and be out of harm's way and able to hit back... if Dilo could do that Carno is foolish to attack.

Likewise if your agility surpasses Para he wouldnt try and flatten you... it would be very dangerous to do so.

And yet it wouldn't make packs of them any more cancerous, now would it?

A speed buff would stand to do that...

[quasi stream]

Just because it’s a carnivore, that doesn’t mean it should be faster than every herbivore. If the dinosaur it’s smaller than another dinosaur, that doesn’t mean it needs to be faster than the bigger dinosaur. As dilo, hunt at night and stay away from everything faster than you(that can kill you).

It’s that easy

But nooo, we want to hunt paras because reasons

Then die hit by a para

[lament thorn]

i havent played dilo in a while but the thing that annoyed me about it was its turn when running

so I agree with any agility buff

[dreamy wharf]

@quasi stream That would make sense if paras didn’t just outright run dilos down. That’s the issue.

If a dilo hunts a para, that’s on them. But there’s an issue of it being so easy to run dilos down atm.

Even at night, paras can just easily run you down even if they’re not even too too good.

I’ve had a case where a para saw me, during the pitch blackness of nighttime and run me down.

So I figure, okay, this is a fucking huge animal, certainly it’d have momentum and a bad turn radius for me to dodge it.

Nope.

And, it’s especially a problem with a Maia considering is as fast if not faster than a utah, and three shots you.

[quasi stream]

That’s a problem with the players being dicks

[dreamy wharf]

Which, that too out turns you.

Exactly, and that’s most players.

And since the dilos are attacks are bleed based you just sit down and heal it off.

So really, there’s absolutely nothing stopping herbivores like Maia, and para from out gunning and out running dilos.

And this was after some major testing.

Over on dev 4.

[hot heath]

I legit witnessed 5 paras chase down a single dilo who was just realaxing doing nothing. Its a bit ridiculous x_x

[barren zephyr]

mhm

[barren zephyr]

@dreamy wharf maia is faster than utah

[dreamy wharf]

It sure is.

[verbal acorn]

I’d like to request Paras turn their attention to running down Utahs...yeah, Utahs, suck it!

[wintry cipher]

paras are slower than utahs

plus utahs hitbox is broken like crazy still so its borderline unplayable

[normal fern]

I'm pretty sure it's hitbox for the kick extends as far back to the hips

I learnt that the hardway

[wintry cipher]

paras kick hitbox does extend between the hind legs so assriding it is the absolute worst thing you can do

especially with it lacking momentum. its one of the only animals you have to go through the side on

[barren zephyr]

well

para can basically instastop bye stop hilding w and rightclicking

it just stops all momentum

[wintry cipher]

thats called it doesnt have momentum. try doing that on allo and youll see the difference.

[barren zephyr]

they are nerfing para speed iirc cause it is supposedly sliding

well para has momentum but you can use the stomp to cancle it

thats the problem

or does it just not have it in general

[wintry cipher]

if it had momentum it would have to come to a full stop before it could kick

also Meiss you are going to get your ass banned.

at this rate

[barren zephyr]

6-8k pound animal

im gunnu stop sugesting today

its getting boring

[wintry cipher]

perhaps you should find a way to survive despite your weaknesses rather than whine uselessly. or just wait. ive kept pointing out to you to stick to dense forests and only go out at night. paras prefer open land so you usually shouldnt see them in woodland, and at nighttime you can then use the trees to keep you hidden despite reshade.

[barren zephyr]

on v4 you dont need nv to see

you can see fine without it

Wrong

v3

In forests you still do

dev 4

well they are nerfing paras or seomthing so im happy

😄

supposedly

Hopefully dilo gets removed

😉

hopefully not

[warm ridge]

No screw you rhino

[lone crypt]

Paras are getting a rework soooo

[normal fern]

Ooh, is there a screencast of that?

Do we know how it'll be reworked? @lone crypt

[lone crypt]

That’s what I’ve heard

[normal fern]

Up until now all I had heard was that he was getting slower due to sliding

[lone crypt]

Dunno if it’s true or no

[coarse shell]

@marble ether yeah no

this was possible before but then they turned off family sharing

[marble ether]

what you mean family sharing?

[coarse shell]

family sharing is when you have a main account share its games with one or more accounts without the others having to buy those games

people made new accounts to go on the isle and grow a second dino on the same server

it was turned off because it was abused

[marble ether]

But I'm talking about on the same profile

you log into your game

[coarse shell]

thats basically the same mechanic bro

[marble ether]

yeah but that can't be abused?

[coarse shell]

you'd kill one player, they'd come back on a rex or something and come and find you

and they'd know where you ar

are

that's happened a lot

[marble ether]

meh, right now I'm considering creating a second steam account and buying the isle again just to play on the same server with another creature

but isn't that kinda stupid that I should go that far just to do that?

[coarse shell]

i mean have fun wasting money

[marble ether]

Have fun surviving as an apex when there's 40 people on v3

[coarse shell]

buying another copy of the game isnt worth it just to have a second dino on a server but thats just me lel

then dont be an apex

simple

[marble ether]

but everything besides apex is way too easy

it takes 0 skill to become adult on anything besides apexes

[coarse shell]

um no

[marble ether]

I litterally do other stuff while I progress

[coarse shell]

if you have a newbie coming in and growing a utah it isnt gonna take them one try

it took me 3 tries to become an adult utah the first time i played the game lol

it may be easy for you but for others its not

[marble ether]

yeah the first time

but not anymore

[coarse shell]

if its so easy then be an apex on a populated v3 server

not a server with 40 people

[marble ether]

I am

isla nycta 3

[normal fern]

Isle Nycta is terrible

[marble ether]

but on an average day at 4pm there's about 40-60 people online

[normal fern]

play on official and your suggestion has weight

[marble ether]

meh maybe 60-80

official meh, I like to be able to talk on global

[coarse shell]

then your suggestion isnt valid

[marble ether]

and official is only 100 max

[coarse shell]

if it doesnt apply to gameplay developers pay attention to, the suggestion is automatically bad

[normal fern]

and 90% of the time official is full on v3

[marble ether]

I play on the officials too

btw

but I like isla more

[coarse shell]

then you should be basing your experience on official servers, not nycta

[marble ether]

what do you mean my experience

[normal fern]

Isla Nycta does not represent the game

[marble ether]

my suggestion is just to have multiple dinos on a same server, how does this affect which server I play

[normal fern]

only official servers do

It doesnt, its just a terrible idea

[coarse shell]

alright so

you're a giga on an official server

[marble ether]

right

[coarse shell]

you kill some person

that person knew where they died

if your suggestion was in the game

they'd come back a rex they happened to grow

and find you and kill you

[marble ether]

yeah I get the problem

but it still doesn't affect which server I play

[coarse shell]

you do not know how many people are salty enough to do that

[marble ether]

this could be a problem on a server where there are 3 people playing

[coarse shell]

even if its not on official

[marble ether]

I know lol

I've met my fair deal of them

[coarse shell]

so what's your point

do you have an idea on how to counter that

[marble ether]

I have no point lol I admitted you were right xd

I just stated it didn't matter if it was an official server or a nycta server

that's all

[warped harbor]

Not to mention the abuse potential

[coarse shell]

^, like i said earlier

family sharing was disabled for a reason

[normal fern]

Yeah but it does matter, any experience thats not from an official server does not reflect the game, therefore it should be ignored completely

[marble ether]

boi how is it even an experience

please explain the 'experience' here

[coarse shell]

cuz yr playin the game

[normal fern]

Officials are how the game is intended to be

[warped harbor]

He would have come up with that idea regardless

[marble ether]

yes but what is my experience

I have no clue what you are talking about

[thorny lynx]

I honestly feel as if v3 servers should have around 200 people. Like... seriously. Map is fkkn huge

[marble ether]

meh, people always gather at the same places anyway

[thorny lynx]

Maybe natural disasters can occur the more often herbivores hang in one spot

Like, lightning strikes n shit

[marble ether]

you'll just end up with more crowded spaces, there will always be empty spots

[warped harbor]

^ pretty much

Think only AI can fix the emptiness

[normal fern]

Or affinity could just make large herbs avoid each other so they are forced to spread out

[marble ether]

but ai only spawn around players for now

maybe it'll change once they add the brachi herds

(which I think I heard will happen)

[normal fern]

I would prefer small-mid sized ai first. Like anything smaller than a maia

[marble ether]

yeah dibbles would make a good ai imo

[umbral prairie]

haigani what kind of suggestion is this xD

[barren zephyr]

@normal fern when herbs have different diets and the food actually matters

they wont be mix herding as much

more herb fights

more starving herbs

[umbral prairie]

territories would just be areas everyone except apexes would avoid

as it basically gives your location away

[noble dirge]

Well make it less noticeable for other dinos to find, you can still see it at a close distance but not for miles away.

[umbral prairie]

what would the benefit be though

of having a territory

[noble dirge]

For yourself to navigate a map or area you're not familiar with.

[normal fern]

Learn the map?

[noble dirge]

Yeah but that's no fun.

[umbral prairie]

it also isn't really what a territory usually is

[noble dirge]

Some herbivores would like to be hunted too.

[normal fern]

So stop complaining

[noble dirge]

It's not a complaint lmao it's called suggestions for a reason.

[normal fern]

You aren't even going to try and learn the map so you can't expect to navigate well lol

[noble dirge]

Oh damn here I thought you were gonna give me a novel on why you thought it wasn't a fun idea, boohoo.

Like I said it's not so much about memorizing the map, it's more for the surviving dynamic and the cost/benefit of it affecting all the dinos.

[vestal rune]

tbh I like the idea of spraying for scent

[verbal acorn]

I don’t think they’d spray like urine...it would be pasty wouldn’t it? More like a paintball game than a super-soaker.

[thorny lynx]

Dinosaurs have only one orifice for waste: the cloaca. Think bird poop... but much, much bigger.

[coarse shell]

@valid flower lol no

you know how op theris would be

not in survival = not a priority anyway

[valid flower]

it makes

no

sense

tho

[normal fern]

They are irrelevant

They aren't in survival

[marble ether]

aren't theris op af now already?

[normal fern]

Yep

[marble ether]

they literally kill everything with 1 right click

[normal fern]

Yeah, it doesn't need bleed

It's a good thing it isn't in survival tbh

[marble ether]

yep I hate that species

they run way too fast

way too much damage

[normal fern]

Even worse than shant

[marble ether]

btw pouncing for raptors is going to be implemented in the far future right?

[coarse shell]

yep

theres already a relatively recent animation of a utah pouncing on something

not like a shant or something, but like a targeted kill on the ground

[marble ether]

aight nice! Will it work in a similar way like how paras have a special attack or will it be like it was before so you jump and then right click?

[valid flower]

no like

reduce the dmg of theri

but add high bleed

this makes more sense

[oblique sluice]

theri is not in survival, so it's irrelevant

[marble ether]

remove theri, everyone happy

[oblique sluice]

^

[marble ether]

no more problems

[oblique sluice]

alberto can go to hell with theri

[marble ether]

yeah

[normal fern]

Don't forget shant

[valid flower]

Something called

event dinos

which alot of server provide

if its irrelevant for u then the server ur in is just dead.

[coarse shell]

no its called only official server gameplay matters

[barren zephyr]

theri is so annoying/overpowered i would be more than happy for it to be removed

[stoic wing]

It is technically not in game

Only survival matters

[barren zephyr]

^^^

[vestal rune]

@valid flower Theris have always been designed as glass cannons, wanting to win the fight as fast as possible, this is why it has insane damage, no bleed and poor healing and bleed resistance. Adding bleed would totally ruin this setup and since it's not in survival it would be a waste of time trying to give it a new "combat niche"

[ocean vortex]

@vestal rune Theris are anything but glass cannons, they have the same health as a fully grown cerato

And everyone knows how tanky a cerato is. Sure, not an apex, but still hard to chew down

[marble ether]

yeah especially since it only takes 2slashes from the theri to kill an apex

which is absolutely ridiculous

[vestal rune]

theri's are glass cannons, you're comparing a high tier creature to a mid tier creature so no shit they're gonna have the same HP

also cerato isn't just tanky 'caus of health, it's tanky because of insane bleed resistance

which theri certianly lacks

[languid ember]

Its healing is hot garbage, it just has good bleed res

[vestal rune]

also theri's attacks are broken, they hit multiple times for some reason so they do shit tons of damage

ah ok

[wintry cipher]

they hit around 15 times instead of 3

[brisk mesa]

Each claw counts as a hit.

6 claws, 3 swings.

🤢

18 motherfuckin times

[drowsy granite]

Dondi in the moral boot to update this game .. The guy only wraps up like this the game will fail! At least back with the mods that players do the service🆙👍

[vestal rune]

there was an update like, a month ago...

big one too

[drowsy granite]

Oh what a fucking Christmas update ..🙄

[vestal rune]

yes...

[coarse shell]

and another one is coming soon lol

[drowsy granite]

An update bullshit

[vestal rune]

itwas an update though

I don't get your point

[coarse shell]

how impatient are you to not be able to wait 3 weeks or more and complain "SHIT GAME!!! FAIL!"

[vestal rune]

plus like proph said, a large one is coming soon too lol

[drowsy granite]

3 weeks fucking for a long time the isle does not get a great update fuck really!

[vestal rune]

3 weeks is not a long time for big updates?

[drowsy granite]

Don't just roll

[vestal rune]

games made by huge companies don't give big updates that often, and this game has like 10 devs

[drowsy granite]

Last year tell me a great update you had? with new mechanics new animals the skins back?

[vestal rune]

there were new mechanics I believe

new animations too

[brisk mesa]

Why do skins matter so much?!

[vestal rune]

skins are coming soon anyway

[brisk mesa]

Like. Why is that this big, absolute red line 'removing it was worst thing ermagerd'

Skin system is days or weeks away.

Along with 2 new dinos.

So like.

[vestal rune]

but if you're adressing an update b y whether it has skins then every update but 1 is bad lmao

[brisk mesa]

Keep calm and party on.

[drowsy granite]

It's already time for Dondi to bring a new legal update!

[vestal rune]

it is

which is why it's coming soon

[drowsy granite]

The way Dondi is he will bring it next year

😂 😂 😂

[vestal rune]

the way dondi is?

what?

the way in which he regularly delivers updates at decent times?

because next year wouldnt be regular or a decent time

[drowsy granite]

🙄

[vestal rune]

?

[brisk mesa]

He's just spewing shit for attention. <@&401466542140817419>

[warped harbor]

Have you even seen the development streams

[feral wedge]

Sounds familiar. 🤔

[vestal rune]

ye you're right watt

[feral wedge]

But a note to y'all. It is #general-feedback-discussion

Get back on topic.

[stoic wing]

dying is a part of the game @surreal linden

also you might wanna consider typing this in feedback instead

[barren zephyr]

^

[barren zephyr]

Are you publishing this book? @surreal linden
But yes I agree ai needs some work

[steady cosmos]

jesus

@surreal linden Alright on your first portion of suggestions, I get the ai are hard to hit, but they aren't impossible, if you hit teammates while trying to kill an ai, that is totally on you. Also, ai rates are good enough for most people to survive anything as large as allo, but at a point ( usually adult) you should actively seek players and larger sources of food for eating. Players that don't do this should die.

Not to mention, I do believe larger ai are planned

[jovial skiff]

Brachi

[steady cosmos]

Secondly, even if the rex portion is your opinion, I think rex has a great model and its skin is kind of realistic, it doesn't have large lizard scales, like most other dinosaurs, it has small ones.

Also the animations on rex are bouncy as it isn't your average small creature, it is heavy and has to move in a specific way.

the timed immortality thing is not a needed mechanic

[surreal linden]

I agree, to a point. Should they be hard yes. But when my head is right over the top of an ai, and I'm looking right at it, yet my attacks don't hit, that to me is a bug. as fat as hitting my packmate, he was several meters away and i was looking the opposite direction. I understand that the server may have had an issue resolving the locations, but to that extreme? As far as the ai spawn rate, I agree again. But again, that wasn't the issue. The issue was there was NOTHING spawning. Bear in mind that too that it's regardless of growth stage. I've been full grown allos , as well as juvie everything, and died because nothing spawned. As apexes I agree whole heartedly, but to get to a stage where I can effectivly hunt larger prey/players, I first need to survive as a juvie...

[steady cosmos]

most juveniles can survive if they are perceptive enough

ive played as many things

[barren zephyr]

u started off wrong

[steady cosmos]

And I've found people and ai that easily sate my apatite

[random knoll]

Ai is getting changed I think

Something was said about it spawning around people with a certain amount of food

[steady cosmos]

as it stands, too many ai lag the server

[random knoll]

Tho don't take me up on that

[steady cosmos]

that is why they aren't everywhere

I do like the server adjustment menu thing

[wintry cipher]

@surreal linden were you playing allo? havent seen any mention of what species other than the one mentioned briefly

[surreal linden]

I really think you need to reread my post Midkil. You completely missed the point. Can I survive on the ai spawns yes. When they're there. My point was ----> when a player gets to a certain point in hunger, the ai spawn rate around the player should go up.

Usually I'm an allo. last couple of days i'm a rex.

[wintry cipher]

theres a lot of problems with hitboxes lately among all dinos, so that might be it.

[surreal linden]

as far as the bouncy rex, I get it's a big animal, but watch an elephant move. You'll see what i mean

[wintry cipher]

as for ai: it would be poor form for the game to hold your hand. if AI spawned equally for all players however, say, if there's 100 players, each player gets 1% of the ai pop, then its fine

[surreal linden]

@wintry cipher So I've been told for the hitboxes. As far as ai, I get what you're saying. And I agree, again my problem is that there's NO ai spawn in certain areas it seems. I usually get chased off to the north side of the map (Thenyaw isle) and the ai spawn in certain areas is nonexistent, take the plates ( now called canyon I think) ai does NOT spawn there, that's one of the areas I starved.

[wintry cipher]

there seems to be no ai spawns in certain areas to prevent them getting stuck in trees. better to hear none at all and move on rather than have a false hope.

like, say, snowman rock.

ai frequently spawn inside the rock and get stuck

[surreal linden]

I get ai spawn in areas should drop, it's a resource thing. You need food, and water to survive, for realism the ai seems to follow the same rules. But in areas where both are present, and to not have ai spawn?

[wintry cipher]

read what i said

[surreal linden]

ah

that make s sense

didn't realize that was happening

[wintry cipher]

it happens a LOT so they contain the ai to areas that do spawn them

[surreal linden]

so ai spawn is tied to foliage density and terrain

[wintry cipher]

look for forests without big rocks/clearings/flat ground

obviously the ai will get better over time but thats how it is atm

they also potentially take up the same amount of data as an actual player, so thats why there dont seem to be a lot, and when theres a lot theres a lot of lag

its like having 300+ players on a 100 pop server

[surreal linden]

My question is, there's a spot up in the mountains where there are no rocks, but dense trees and very uneven ground, yet the ai spawn there was pretty high

why there then?

[wintry cipher]

no rocks

sometimes they spawn in areas where they can get stuck but for the majority they dont spawn where they can get stuck

(it also gets really annoying when a taco gets stuck and you cant kill it and its just spamming 4 call)

[surreal linden]

How about areas around rivers, flat, no rocks, and varying density of forest. But no ai spawns.

[wintry cipher]

ive seen them spawn in those places plenty of times

especially there actually

its also tied to numbers. more people in one spot means more ai

you are less likely to get ai to spawn if your alone

and eventually, those large numbers might cause gaps, as they dont eat all the ai but let them sit, so ai dont load for single people

[surreal linden]

That i know. Again, that's fine, more payers, more food. One of my favorite spots is the falls on the NW of the map, areas like that are what i'm talking about for the spawn too. ai spawn there is really low. In that area you barely get by. But you go to trips, or the big lake, and ai spawn is really high. from your description, the falls should be a much better area for ai to spawn. Yet it's reversed.

oh

I think you hit it

Party plains

Big hunting area, lots of players. Kills ai spawn for everyone else because the players are eating eachother

[verbal acorn]

I hate party plain...is just a gamey cluster

[steady cosmos]

If you cant find food thats just bad luck

if you aren't searching for food you shouldn't find it

Making it so ai spawn more wont fix that

having general knowledge of the map allows you to locate players usually

which is a great thing for food

[surreal linden]

Oh i search, I wander across large areas in search. Luck shouldn't be part of it. We already determined that ai spawn only in certain areas. Those areas are camped by full grown gigas the run down EVERYTHING, so the only way to survive is to get away from those areas. And I kinda know the map, what I don't know I have a actual map to help. I don't go near player occupied areas because there's no place safe, you're killed on sight. Makes sense on a realism server. So you're telling me I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't. Doesn't sound right does it? I'm punished as a player, because I'm doing the sensible thing and trying to get out of deathtrap areas where big preditors are. Heading into safer country to grow. Keep in mind I'm in areas where ai ahould/would/does spawn, yet it doesn't. Because the ai is spawning in areas where there's large predators... Who don't kill/eat the ai... Instead they wait for people like me, who have no choice but to go into those areas looking for food.... Only to be killed on sight. See my issue yet?

[verbal acorn]

The problem for apex is about the need to either increase satiation duration to allow them to search for food that is few and far between....or leave satiation duration the way it is and provide appropriate AI(larger AI, not necessarily more) to spawn to help carry apex predators through the search process for prey that is few and far between.

Ideally, AI for late stage sub and adult apex predators would have a travel requirement, so no one can just sit in a corner and subsist on AI.

Because as much as people say apex shouldn’t be easy, all the other carnivores in large part are treated with kit gloves and delivered AI on a silver platter...while having the ability to transit large swaths of territory in short periods of time in search of prey items.

[surreal linden]

i think the ai spawn should be altered from spawn NUMBERS, to spawn RATE. Fewer ai, that spawn more frequently. Or, as I said, have ai spawn near the player that's starving. It's still the player's job to hunt and kill it. so it's not hand holding. You can still starve and die. For players like me, I'm quite good at hunting, i really enjoy it. but I can't hunt what's NOT there.

[steady cosmos]

"search"

wandering isnt searching

As i said

you learn the map

you learn where people frequent

if you're a smaller dino like utah

you can kill the ai that spawn around larger creatures

if you're a larger one

you have acess to people

[surreal linden]

@steady cosmos do you read at all? I do know the map, what I don't know I have an actual map printed, I know where I'm at and where I'm going. I know where the big apexes are, and where to stay away from. READ dude, READ the posts.

[steady cosmos]

ive read them

staying away from apex dinos isnt always gonna help you

[surreal linden]

Then how do you miss the fact that I INTENTIONALLY move out of apex held territory?

[steady cosmos]

also just to let you know i read all of it

there is no such thing

Apex dinos are a source of food no matter what

weather its the ai that spawn near them

[surreal linden]

true, you got me there. I move into areas infrequently visited by apexs

[steady cosmos]

or weather its they themselves being the food

once larger ai come out however, it may be easier to survive

[verbal acorn]

Also, Apex predators need features to offset the exploit of voice chat. Herbs are VCing, even within mix-packs, allowing them to operate in stealth mode. Rex and Giga should have better sense of smell to help locate prey...especially herds. Herds should emit stank that resembles a yellow version of bodies of water.

Rex should be the Great White Shark of The Isle and smell gore/ribs from an insane distance...bleeding wounds from an intermediate range and prey and tracks better than others dinos for a duration longer than the standard 4 mins.

[steady cosmos]

but as of right now, many people suggest this and forget the fact that ai tax the servers latency

[surreal linden]

Again, read the posts Midkil, iI can't go near the apexes, they kill me. I've tried, I know ;)... So my only choice is to move away. That's where the ai spawn issue comes in. The apexes don't eat the ai because they can't really survive on it. And I can't go near the apexes because they eat me. Yet I can't go away from the apexes because ai doesn't spawn. So I'm lunch for the apexes as I try to get ai around them. Which they don't eat, because they can't survive on it. So I have to leave the areas of the apexes so I'm not their food. But the ai doesn't spawn, which means I starve. Unless I moce into the areas frequented by apexes.... You got it yet?

so, I get the taxing issue

Makes perfect sense

I'm not saying it should be a lot of ai spawning near the solo players.

and like I said, the player is still responsible for locating, hunting, and killing it

I'm asking for Just enough

or, and "emergency" spawn

In place of "NO spawn"

that's why I also suggested suggested LOWERING the number of spawns, and increasing the respawn RATE

that would lower the load on the server

For someone like me, who enjoys the hunt, and doesn't/infrequently misses the kill. This is a fix

but again, I can NOT hunt what is NOT there

And based on what you and cocoajin were saying, I'm in PRIME hunting areas for ai

And this doesn't address the issue of the ai despawning after a few seconds

We can come at this from the other side... I've had adult apexes. A trex. Do I hunt ai? I try. Can I survive on it? No. So I go after players. So tell me, what's the point of having ai spawn near me if i'm not going to eat it?

Effect, I can see it adding ambiance to the game. But no we go into a pack of apexes... LOTS of ai spawn. Again, they don't eat it. Because they can't susrvive on it, especially when there's multiple large mouths.

So why Not shift the spawn?

[brisk mesa]

I agree entirely with your line of thought.

It's perfectly rational honestly.

Decreasing overall spawns so a pack of mid tiers could not sustain themselves for a prolonged period, but increasing their respawn rate which would allow solitary dinosaurs to travel, and lumping apexes into the same list as herbivores which means AI does not spawn by default near them, unless 'other' dinos are near.

[surreal linden]

Midkil has a great point too, don't get me wrong. But he seems to assume that I can't hunt, and don't know where I'm going in order to hunt. I understand. It's valid

[coarse shell]

i like how you call it "herd stank" @verbal acorn

[brisk mesa]

Also decreasing the AI load on the server... would allow for higher stability at higher players.

Servers wouldn't keel over as frequently, or if you weren't bothered with frequency being similar you could increase player count.

From what I've heard said before, each AI = 1 player

as far as the server is concerned.

So if, IDK hypothetical numbers here, a server actively has 100 AI on it.

[umbral prairie]

we just need better servers

[brisk mesa]

On a 80 player server, that would be 180 'things' active.

If you reduced the AI to half, but increased the refresh rate...

You'd be having 130 'things'.

[umbral prairie]

I think the AI should raise with the player count at first, but there should be a turning point where it decreases and only spawns for juvies or sth like that

[brisk mesa]

Therefore, that server would run better than the one with 100 AI OR you could increase the player count, aka, interesting shit thats not "ya basic" Oros, Tacos and Velos

and still have "180 things"

[umbral prairie]

with enough players they can sustain themselves off of other players

[brisk mesa]

And yet those things are people playing.

[surreal linden]

No, I disagree there. let's say that only 50 ai spawn for every 100 players... it's not much of a load. So you make it where the ai spawns more frequently. You can spread the ai out more that way. for small apexes, they can live quite well on that. For large Juvie apexes, this will give them a chance to grow up. For adult apexes, they can eat it, they can ignore it. Their choice...

[brisk mesa]

No I'm not saying that, you misinterpreted

It's not.. a ratio if you will.

[surreal linden]

Actually I was agreeing with you Watt

[brisk mesa]

Oh XD

Thought you addressed me, not Sammel

[surreal linden]

You nailed it before I did 😛

[brisk mesa]

XD

[surreal linden]

as player count goes up, the number of food items for large apexes goes up. Just leaves more ai for other carnivores

[umbral prairie]

which would work with better servers

[surreal linden]

Bingo Sammel.

[umbral prairie]

but not atm

[brisk mesa]

Sammel, each Oro you see, each Taco, each Velo?

Imagine they are players OK?

[surreal linden]

As far as Midkil's point, he has one. The player will still need to find, hunt, and kill it.

[brisk mesa]

Because as far as the server is concerned, they are.

[umbral prairie]

count as players yes

[brisk mesa]

I'd rather, personally, see a server that could have 120 players and only has 50 or so AI spawning at a time.

Hell, I don't even think a server honestly would even need 50 AI.

[umbral prairie]

that's why I said we need better servers or a turning point where if some player count is reached the AI spawns are reduced so more players can join with the server still being able to handle it and the players having more players to eat so they need less AI

[brisk mesa]

In the current state of the game.

That's more optimized AI spawning.

It's a bell curve if you will, but think about how few AI you actually need for them to do their job.

[surreal linden]

@brisk mesa That's actually a much better way of putting it

[brisk mesa]

Yeah I mean it is a bell curve

[surreal linden]

i'll amment my suggestion in the other channel

ammend

[brisk mesa]

Starts low, gets higher, stabilizes, drops back down

Let's say, to be fair, the only things that 100% need AI to bolster their rate of survival... are juveniles and solo players. How many juvenile carnivores do you think are actively on a server at a given time?

Or people completely off and away from any other player, because let's face it often players are near us even if we have no clue they are (found a juvi Trex sitting in the bush next to where I'd murdered a sub Carno LOL)

If the devs well, tracked that data, it would be invaluable to optimize AI.

[umbral prairie]

that's kinda what I meant but I can't explain, just not giving the AI to everything once a certain player count is reached

[thorny lynx]

Maybe the game would spawn AI near juvies and subs at a higher chance than around adults?

[fathom idol]

To be honest, i really HATE this spawn system. With a passion. Playing as a "loner" is almost impossible. Friends of mine no longer even play the game because they think the devs dont want to change the spawn system. I know they ARE working on it, but lets be honest, how hard can it be, making some AI galli or Ava's that give a bit more food then the avarage Oro..? I agree fully with Idlatch about the fully grown gigs that currently overpopulate V3, and just sit by the AI to "lure"other people in. Ive seen it happen on Thenyaw as well. You might wanna call this exploiting. Same goes for the "im gonna put a nest here so more AI spawns", and the sitting at the beach all day long. Ive grown Dilos and Utahs but never made it to fully grown rex OR giga alone since V3 came back. Instead ive been mostly Trike, Galli and Dryo. They are cool and fun to play..but after weeks and weeks and weeks going by, its getting boring. Im really hoping there will be fix with the next patch so i can make up my mind; am i gonna hunt a player, or do i wanna go passive and just eat AI, with i did on V2 all the time, so i had time left to nest and raise babies.

[wintry cipher]

perspective: AI oros give a lot more food than they should (it gives 6 times as much as a dryo body). the Ava AI will likely be the same amount as oro is currently.

and oro would then be reduced once that is added

AI spawns do need to have some tweaks however

[last remnant]

Like, what?

Like what type of tweaks?

[jovial skiff]

How much food they give

[vestal rune]

I mean currently AI serves as a form of food for carnivores when no players are around

but in the future there'll be more types, meaning the oros and tacos will likely spawn in specific areas in smaller quantities (though I think velos may be a bit more common as juve/hatchling hunters, thought that role could be taken by a larger small carnivore)

[fervent ivy]

I didn't feel comfortable posting in either Suggestions or Feedback, but I was just wondering on whether it was ever asked and/or answered on why there aren't two Offical V3 Dev servers, instead of 1 V3 map, and 3 Thenyaw maps. Of which two of the three are normally ever being moderately used.

Is it a cost thing? Or not enough server power to handle two instead of just the one?

Or does it come down to just personal preference?

[orchid haven]

V3 needs way more AI

and water sources

keep dying from bs spawns and can't find any food/water from spawn

so just die from thirst or starvation

[barren zephyr]

V3 has more than enough water sources.

It has a continuous water source that pretty much covers the whole center of the map.

AI could use a bit of tweaking.

@calm cargo what would be your unique mechanic for survival

[verbal acorn]

V3 water is there, it’s just a marathon run from the beach. The beach is a horseshoe, the first bodies of water are roughly in a horseshoe around the beach, all about equidistant from the beach. Just point your ass at the shoreline and run. Don’t stop, not to feed, not to look for food(because it’s about as far in as the water), don’t look around, don’t wander, don’t get distracted...just run in

[barren zephyr]

Unless you are at the absolute edge of the map, scent should almost always highlight at least one water source nearby.

[serene hull]

Not for the beach spawns. You got to travel a fair bit inland and in kinda the right direction to highlight a water source via scent

[barren zephyr]

Ok. So you have to walk for like a minute....that doesn't necessarily mean that there isn't enough water. The point of the game is to be a challenge, not to spoon feed you.

[serene hull]

Never said there isn't enough water. Though if you spawn far up north you're kinda stuck there for a while

[barren zephyr]

There's plenty of water up north too. It's all about not sitting in place. If you move away from the coasts towards inland, scent should eventually highlight water.

Might take a few minutes but that's within a reasonable amount of time that won't end with dehydration.

[serene hull]

Yes theres enough water up north. I mean twin lakes is huge. But if you choose to go there upon spawning in you got to travel a fairly long distance southwards to reach the next water source. Thus some juvies are kinda stuck to the area and people can exploit this to feed on fresh spawns almost exclusively.

[barren zephyr]

#401470471750811669 Look at the map

Nvm

I guess discord deleted the v3 map that Catbug made

[nova junco]

Better Ai Spawns on V3 is a serious issue for me lol. I like to playing as a carno in my server but I have to run thenyaw or I can't live past infancy. Not many players to eat lol

[barren zephyr]

AI on V3 can be pretty harsh at times when playing as something Allo sized or bigger.

Anything smaller feels easy since it doesn't take much to feed smaller dinos.

[calm cargo]

@barren zephyr Unique ability for survival? Prolly stunning their prey like they said the animals were depicted to do when they use to live.

Imagine getting whacked in the back of the head with a huge ass cast iron pan, with a nail welded at the end of it. You’d be stunned for a good minute.

Though from a game design standpoint that might be hard to do.

[barren zephyr]

id be dead

[calm cargo]

Disney Tangled would say other wise.

[barren zephyr]

disney tangled would be dead to

also

not a dinosaur

alsoooooo not ark

alsoooooooooooo tell me more

[calm cargo]

It is a Dinosaur?

They took the place right after dinosaurs. So they existed after dinosaurs.

[still temple]

"terror birds" are dinosaurs. But I dont see why "terror birds" would be needed for TI

[agile whale]

We already got quetz it looks like. Terrifying enough if you ask me

[calm cargo]

Well didn’t say it was needed just a suggestion. Terror Birds weren’t fishers like the Austros they went after big prey.

Terror Birds can’t fly.

[agile whale]

That's why they're terrifying

The quetz I mean

[calm cargo]

Well I’m not saying Terror Birds replace the Quetz if that’s what your thinking.

[agile whale]

Ignore me I'm just talking. Terror bird wouldn't be too bad, something different to play as on the ground, but I don't see it having much of a place atm

I know

Just talking

[calm cargo]

Again. Just a suggestion. It’s a interesting animal.

[agile whale]

Yeah, for sure.

[still temple]

"smaller" predators like Utah and dilo make terror birds obsolete

[calm cargo]

Terror Bird could crack a Utah’s skull open in one good whack if they existed at the same time.

[still temple]

and utahs could overpower terror birds with it's sheer mass

[calm cargo]

Well Austros are in the game despite the fact they kill shit.

But we still play them.

It doesn’t matter what it can kill or not kill it’s still a cool dinosaur.

Who wouldn’t want to play a prehistoric giant hammer head ostrich

[still temple]

cool =/= worth adding into the game

[calm cargo]

Again. Suggestion. I’m not a game designer. I’m an artist. I do design work not design games.

Design work as in concept art.

[still temple]

and suggestions can be criticised

I dont see a place for "terror birds" in the Isle when there are already multiple "small' sized predators

[calm cargo]

Well you could say that for the Taco and Oreo. Pretty much the same thing. Small herbies ones smaller then the other.

What do we need a SECOND small herbivore for? We already have ONE!

It’s just a suggested to add “feathery varsities”

It’s not about wether you see a place for it or not it’s just a fun suggestion. I think Terror Birds and cool. I think they’d make good gameplay. But that’s what I think.

Who knows. Maybe Terror Birds are impossible to add into Dino games because big beaks are offensive, I have no idea. I do concept art not make games.

Just a cool Dino.

They aren’t pack Dino’s. It’d be cool to see some more Dino’s that didn’t rely on packs.

A lot of smaller Dino’s rely on pack hunting. Terror Birds didn’t pack.

Also Terror Birds have awesome calls. One of the calls being where they just clap their beaks together making loud hollow claps.

[still temple]

Orodromeus and Taco were added when Progression mode was still a thing

both progressed to different branches

[calm cargo]

I’m aware.

[violet magnet]

we have Terror Birds, they're called theris

[calm cargo]

Theris are not Terror Birds. They bring Terror but not the same lmao

Again my dude. Just a suggestion. Wasn’t meant to start a fight.

Or debate what should and should not be in a game.

Great thing about suggestions, game devs can choose not to do them.

[still temple]

Terror birds being solitary hunters is irrelevant

players will do what they want in game

[calm cargo]

Not on realism servers.

[still temple]

realism servers are not official and thus do not represent accurate game experience of The Isle

[violet magnet]

can't base a new dino's potential on what the rules for it would be in a realism server

[calm cargo]

When did I say that?

Before now. When did I say that? Before now.

[violet magnet]

terror bird would probably be pretty darn powerful by itself, packs of them would be a problem on non-realism servers in the same way megapacks of allos are

and fast

[calm cargo]

The dinosaur is a neat design. It’ll add variety. They have feathers, cools audio and animation. nothing about realism

[violet magnet]

"Terror birds being solitary hunters is irrelevant
players will do what they want in game"
"Not on realism servers."

u said it there

[calm cargo]

Yes. I just said that NOW

Not when I first suggested the Dino.

[violet magnet]

.....you asked me when you said it and i answered

[still temple]

wha-

[calm cargo]

“Before now. When did I say that?” ”Before now.”

[violet magnet]

don't go changin' it 😂

i just saw the edit pop up

[calm cargo]

I was trying to copy it

I was trying to copy it

[violet magnet]

anyway

[calm cargo]

Fucked up