general-feedback-discussion

[rare moss]

WHY ARE COMMENTS ABOUT ISSUES BEING ERASED

[icy lion]

Bugs can be reported in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

#general-feedback is for suggestions and feedback, and we have an expectation of messages in there being both constructive and descriptive

[junior nymph]

because either A: its a bug not a feedback check pinned or I dunno being rude or something and not obeying the server discord rules

[urban flax]

Sometimes I believe humans can learn
And then I remember this community exists

[rare moss]

i just asked about losing dinos 3 days in a row

[vital plover]

Players don't know if the dinos getting wiped is a game bug hence belongs into bug reports, or if it's a server issue or if it was intentional. And how are we supposed to be constructive about losing all our progress? Constructive means we have to offer solutions, but we can't do that. We don't know the code, we don't even know the underlying problem. All we can do as players is give feedback that the dinos are all gone without notice, that this keeps happening, and we are angry/sad about it. 🤷‍♀️

[mint sierra]

@vital plover Thank you for speaking the truth

[icy lion]

@scarlet osprey Queues will return when the issues with them are fixed

[scarlet osprey]

Okay ty

[indigo gulch]

@vocal canyon no one is saying remove pvp, he’s just saying don’t expect the game to be just pvp focused

Since it’s a survival game over pvp

[slow gorge]

Some people just don't get that it's more of an ecology sim than a combat game.

[covert junco]

@minor sentinel ur feedback has some good stuff, but the team will be more focused on the development and cheater situation that they can put in this complex ideas

[somber sorrel]

Give to cera a buff on his speed plssss , a stupid allo is much faster then him and stronger.... is not dammm fair ,0 skilll

[vocal canyon]

you prob believe the gov is there to help you.

[limber hull]

allo is not faster than cera lol

[shell wolf]

@somber sorrel The Cera was actually faster than the Allo, who was built to be more agile. Fair point 👉

[urban flax]

HE HAS RETURNED

[limber hull]

some really thought i was gone for good

[old pagoda]

I got fatal error and game won’t launch

[robust gulch]

#🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 Report it here, or if you share the specifics maybe in #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 someone might have a solution for you.

[old pagoda]

Currently I’m deleting every folders if it works it works. If not I’ll report it here if someone help .if not I guess refund

[robust gulch]

Yea I mean, try all the usual stuff like Validate File Integrity on the Steam interface, reinstall, but also, this game has a few extra steps than usual to get to the actual start screen. Usually can at least launch though.

[desert arch]

If youre comparing a 75% adult to another 75% adult then yes, thats correct, but for the majority of ceras life cycle its way slower than an allo. Even a peak prime cera (39.7kmh) is slower than an adult allo (39.8kmh) and gets absolutely demolished by it because allo can just spam bite and win, and as the cera ages, the problem just gets worse.

[indigo gulch]

What a weird response this. How is this related?🤨(oh wait he’s not in the server anymore is he)

[narrow cypress]

yeah but ceras can live in packs of 5 and defends really good himselfs vs allos , that is why dondi increased the ceras pack from 4 to 5

[warped fog]

tbf a peak prime cera is BTFO'ing an adult allo but you're right on the speed

[desert arch]

BTFO? What does that mean?

[signal geode]

B boyfriend
T teeth
F for
O opposite

BTFO=boyfriend teeth for opposite

Trust

[warped fog]

beat the ? out

basically equal skill vs equal skill 88% cera wins vs 75% allo and tbh it isnt even close, only thing allo has is bleed and bite speed (cera isn't gonna facetank anyways)

[nocturne holly]

Guys are they gonna regrow our lost dinos?

[wintry cipher]

Very unlikely. There is a prewarning when you load the game that it is unstable on the main menu. I'd reccomend playing on unofficials. The data loss is a bug of some kind with the servers.

[raw hedge]

Whether he is or isn’t doesn’t matter, lol.
He ended up, just proving my point with replying to the feedback which both his reply and mine got deleted, which I understand
POT is far more of a PVP oriented game than the isle is
This game has the ability to balance out an entire ecosystem and simulate one.

But overall general content creation on YouTube and streams, have made this game seem like it’s just a fighting game, and put the experience that each Dino has secondary to just getting kills
I made the original post because I got really annoyed at looking at my YouTube feed for the game. Nothing but people playing Apex’s on boosted servers, or with a lot of help and the only thing they seem to want to do was go after the kill.
So many people are gonna lose out on the peak experience of this game if that’s all they look at

[swift yoke]

are u playin on official server ?

[gusty flax]

@compact sail how did u lose ur rex

[compact sail]

just got on the isle and look at server it says my rex is there so i log in and i get sent too pick a new dino

[unreal gust]

I play on a laptop. Legacy worked fine. Then I learned about evrima or whatever, and it just doesn't work. The requirements on the store page are also for legacy. I want my money back.

[icy lion]

You can start a refund request through Steam

[covert junco]

when was the last wipe, you know of?

[icy lion]

Whenever the servers go down, so at any scheduled restart

[covert junco]

very sad, alright, thc for reply

[unreal gust]

I did. They denied because I had 4 hours of gameplay, a lot of which was just sitting idly on the menus. So I'm trying again saying that the store page is deceptive

[icy lion]

Try resubmitting, Steam will usually be more lenient about Early Access titles, especially if an update causes you to no longer be able to run the game

[limber hull]

i managed to get a refund on a diff game despite doing a similar thing with the menus, so that sounds odd

[unreal gust]

Did they auto-approve it? Or did you have to explain that part?

[limber hull]

i explained it, yea

[slow gorge]

Uh..... what the actual heck? You alright over there bud?

Can I offer advice for when servers function again? Cause there's tricks to it I can share. (I should write a guide or smth lol)

[drifting bison]

Does each server have their own special skins? Are there special skins in the game not related to a server? Never received any unique skin so just wondering.

[rain dagger]

Welcome back man

[shut obsidian]

When they fix the official servers are they going to make an announcement in the discord?

[warped fog]

No not really. Anything you can make in the skin creation menu is all you get (without server stuff)

The closest thing to a ‘special skin’ would be the AI skins, they’re all identical and have a matching color code across species. You could even create a lookalike to pretend to be AI and lure unsuspecting hungry carnis into death

[tribal girder]

Is there any feedback on the game crashes? They seem to be getting more frequent again

[lucid robin]

@summer olive you can play the old version of the game right now.

Just go to the isle on your steam page, right click, properties, betas, and pick "legacy"

If you own evrima, you own them both

[indigo gulch]

yeah you are very right about that. Sadly, people only care about the pvp :/

[raw hedge]

Spoiled by the short attention span that gets catered to in the popular games nowadays

[summer olive]

no you cant. when I said old Version I meant the 2016/2017 version of the game, not legacy. 😂 😂 I literally said TSL models and region 2 map... I think you got the wrooong idea

[lucid robin]

oh LOL mb, I read ur post like right after i woke up

[summer olive]

hahaha all good😭 🤣

[lucid robin]

it's fair to say that i probably wasnt at the top of my reading comprehension game

[summer olive]

probably. But damn I would literally murder just to play that version again

[lucid robin]

i never got to in the first place 💀

[summer olive]

Youve missed alot. It was so fun when you could pounce shantus and rexes as an austro and chill inside the Region 2 temple with your austro buddies. and those calls. oh those calls. they were ON TOP! Many might disagree but at that time the game was hilariously fun to play. But you also only had sandbox mode back then. It also got very interesting when progression became a thing. Progressing from a cannibalistic dryo, to a herra and so on. Real fun stuff

[lucid robin]

Yeah, I wish they kept austro's giggle more giggle-like in the newest version of the call. It still does sound goofy though so I vibe with it

[summer olive]

Yeaah truee. I thought the same thing. But it isnt as bad as some other Dinos so its fine haha. would be fun if they stuck to quetzals old vocals tho
https://youtu.be/2OBSgd3KJME?is=KYdQvsJn23gKJjU1

[lucid robin]

man the old stam and hunger/thirst bars were sick

[summer olive]

ikr

[dusky canyon]

Man the desync in this game is freakin atrocious.

IDK what they have added, like a lag compensator for people with bad ping or something is horrible.

[unkempt nacelle]

I guess the Troodons a very hated dino for many. made a feedback text only about its broken mechanics not even saying anything about balancing but just straight up FIXING its actual game mechanics and nobody seems to agree. I guess we love the idea of dinosaurs not working as they should

[unkempt nacelle]

@full escarp would love to see something like the Velociraptor you explained, although if they could just fix the troodon alittle more thats exactly how thats played

[toxic wren]

#general-feedback message

What niche does this fill that isn’t already taken?

We have troodon, we will soon have austroraptor, we have utahraptor.

Entirely unnecessary and excessive.

[marsh ravine]

is quetz in game

[limber hull]

no

[covert junco]

are the server restart wipes deletion fixed??

[urban flax]

You know velociraptor is on the planned roster, right ?

[signal geode]

No

[toxic wren]

As AI, yeah.

I stand by what I said.

It’d be ~the same size as troodon, but without the venom to actually kill anything.

If you think that would be fun to play, create a Utah and just don’t eat. Live and die as a juvie, because that’d be your power level.

[limber hull]

you can make velo playable without making it just troodon without venom

[robust gulch]

#general-feedback message

YES @urban flax I was hoping someone would propose this as eloquently as you did.

[toxic wren]

That niche would be…?

[limber hull]

i like to call it the "everywhere" niche

an animal that can, and will, hunt and prey on anything, anywhere

climbing, burrows, human structures, even water

a versatile creature prepared for anything and never truly escapable

[robust gulch]

Troodons aren't exactly lightning fast nor do they have incredible stamina regen from what I can tell. Stam regen is variable right?

[toxic wren]

That just sounds like a worse Herrera.

And sure, you could make a troodon without venom but loads of stamina to do… what?

[toxic wren]

You really want the devs to spend the time and resources to make a juvie Omni playable over literally anything else on this list?

[robust gulch]

Uh velociraptor would be a great opportunity to introduce fluttering mechanics

You know, chicken flight. Flight-assisted jumping, and slowed falling w/ semi-glide.

It could even literally be Troodon but minus venom and plus fluttering.

[toxic wren]

At troodon’s size, it’d be as deadly as a ptera.

You want a ptera with even more flight struggles than what the current one has now?

Archaeopteryx is right there lol.

[urban flax]

Not confirmed

[tired quest]

we used to have velociraptor in evrima, it will sometimes spawn after an AI teno is killed

[toxic wren]

Like compies.

[tired quest]

difference is it will tries to attack

[toxic wren]

Yeah, and it was as threatening as the current chickens are lol. That’s what it got swapped out for.

[limber hull]

well i wouldn't have it dropbear like herrera, and i'd focus more on a versatile endurance hunter over a specialised ambush hunter

[toxic wren]

Endurance hunting what without venom lol.

What is a juvie Omni with a boatload of stamina and maybe if they make an entirely new model and mechanic for fluttering and feathers a double jump going to be hunting?

Go make a fresh spawn Omni, herra, grow a ptera, or wait for Austro.

There’s nothing Velociraptor could do that isn’t covered.

[robust gulch]

I mean, I think you glazed over the flutter mechanic with your comment that 'ptera flight already isn't up to par'. That's where the advancement is to be made, clearly.

Like yes, happily granted, ptera flight isn't quite there. But also like, those are two totally different flight modes. Ptera is the only flyer, so of course it's going to have struggles related to flight.

[urban flax]

Velo could have powered flight for all I care
Honestly I wouldn't mind giving it pretty much everything
Flight, climbing, diving, burrowing

Just let the small fella be fun

[toxic wren]

I think I hit the nail on the head.

Pteranodon is in the same weight class as Velociraptor would be.

Why on earth would you want to have the devs make an entirely new system of weaker flight for a playable that wouldn’t be able to hunt anything current ptera can’t?

If you want to be weak and fly and only hunt hypsis and juvies, go play Ptera.

If you want to be weak and climb and dive and eventually raid burrows, play Herra.

[robust gulch]

Whoah what? Ptera can't ambulate on the ground for scheisse. I don't see them as so obviously =but-worse as you seem to.

[urban flax]

Why would velo have worse hunting capabilities than ptera

Troodon is in the same weight class too, and it can kill dinos over 50x its size

[robust gulch]

It's also not weaker to be able to jump straight into a flutter compared to a full three tap takeoff.

[toxic wren]

Ptera is built to be a ground hunter, have you not seen the dev logs? Explicitly stated.

Troodons are designed to punch up with magic venom, yeah.

What would Velo’s damage crutch be to somehow make it more dangerous than ptera with less than ptera’s weight?

[urban flax]

Ptera rework isn't finished lol

[toxic wren]

And it will be far before they consider making AIs playable.

[urban flax]

Do you know stego was initially meant to be AI as well ?

[toxic wren]

Stego has been playable in The Isle versions for over 10 years.

And it fills a unique sub-apex herbivore niche splendidly without needing entirely new mechanics to separate it from 3+ alternatives that already exist.

If you want an AI to be considered a playable in a decade or two, please pick something unique and interesting lol.

[urban flax]

The fact you refuse to see anything interesting in velo doesn't mean it isn't

It's also hypocritical to say you want "something unique" without unique mechanics

[toxic wren]

Please, enlighten me about juvie feathered omni

[urban flax]

It's about as unique as juvie venomous omni

[toxic wren]

Yeah. And we have that already. I’d hate to see a second one.

[urban flax]

Velo isn't venomous

[robust gulch]

Bloodletting claws. Maybe have the bleeding exacerbated if delivered with a charge or fly-in.

I dunno what your hate-on for the velociraptor is. There may be other higher priorities but this isn't impossible stuff to accomplish.

[urban flax]

Also by you standards isn't omni just a juvie allo then ? And allo just a juvie rex ?

What about dibble just being a juvie trike ?

[toxic wren]

You were referring to troodon here.

[tired quest]

Slippery Slope, my fav part when watching debates

[toxic wren]

The only reason troodon works is because the venom is insane.

Velo as a bleeder with less than Ptera weight just doesn’t work. That’s omni, and Omni needs its weight to do anything. There’s a reason you don’t see packs of subadult Omni’s killing stuff, they’re built to bleed stuff and they need to be adults to be dangerous.

[urban flax]

Velo doesn't need to be killing multi-ton animals to be fun either

Otherwise most herbies would be relegated to just being AI as well

[toxic wren]

Allo being given Omni pin is a genuine niche problem, yes. Everyone wants it to have a different niche.

No, dibble has a lot of relevant matchups. Its fights against ceras, omnis, dilos, allos, etc are all interesting.

[urban flax]

But velo can't have that because...?

[robust gulch]

Hey man I didn't make the dinosaurs basically similar to each other except some variables here and there, evolution did. Omnis also can't flutter, checkmate.

[limber hull]

allo was always going to get omni pin, im not sure why people act like its a huge surprise

[toxic wren]

Because it’s a waste of resources to make something we already have.

[tired quest]

So, what prey weight range does the Velociraptor fall into in the game?

[limber hull]

there are going to be dinos that play and act a lot like other dinos

alberto, for instance, is more than likely just going to be a smaller rex

para and shant will be larger maias

[robust gulch]

Nnno I think Diablo and Triceratops invalidates this argument pretty thoroughly.

[toxic wren]

If velociraptor would have any good matchups outside of hypsi then you could have a point.

[limber hull]

we have confirmation from the devs a lot of animals will have carryover mechanics

[limber hull]

does it need a wide array of PvP matchups to be considered worth adding? i'd play an all-terrain opportunistic carnivore, easily

[toxic wren]

If you want to play a spectator creature that can hunt tiny things on the ground and can go anywhere, play ptera lol

[robust gulch]

Like I DGAF what dinos we get next until the server wipe problem is addressed, but if I had your mindset then I'd be going around telling everyone their ideas are useless trash because the development resources are needed elsewhere.

[toxic wren]

Making the games… 4th raptor that would only ever engage with hypsis and juvies?

Yeah. That’s a waste.

[robust gulch]

Incidentally I really wish we already had fluttering so Hypsi could use it.

[urban flax]

Why are you so fixated on making velo only engage with hypsi ?

[toxic wren]

I wholeheartedly agree with the hypsi statement. Creatures of that size have such a hard time being worth playing especially with the elder system.

[toxic wren]

Because Ptera even with its ground rework will still lose to Dryo lol.

What do you think Velo would be doing with less weight?

[robust gulch]

Slashing necks?

[urban flax]

What does troodon do with equal weight ?

Also how can you know that when ptera rework isn't even out yet

Btw herrera loses to dryo on the ground as well, and it's a perfectly viable and fun anyway

[toxic wren]

It won’t be doing that anymore than subadult omnis will be doing that. Same body type. Both would be built to bleed.

[urban flax]

Everything isn't about killing things

It's about fun

I can understand that you can't have fun in a game if you're not robbing other players of hours of investment, but not everyone is like that yk

[toxic wren]

Troodon, again, only works because of venom.

Yeah, so if you don’t care about fighting stuff, go play Ptera or Herra. There’s your all terrain smalls.

Velociraptor even if given a generous increase to its bleed abilities over troodon or an omni of its weight class would still be a flea.

[robust gulch]

I dunno man I see the gameplay experience of a velociraptor being fundamentally different from
Ptera, Herrera, and Omniraptor with fluttering.

[urban flax]

What makes you think venom is the only solution to all ?

Omni can kill things much bigger than itself without venom

So can herrera

So could ptera before it was nerfed

So can allo

So could pachy before it was nerfed, and so could dibble before as well

None of them have venom

[toxic wren]

If you really want a juvie Omni with double jump as something the Devs make over everything else on that tier list, knowing full well you won’t be fighting anything bigger than a troodon or hypsi, I don’t think I can reason with you lol.

[urban flax]

I don't think you can reason with anyone with that mindset

[robust gulch]

I am not commenting about priority or tier lists at all man

[toxic wren]

My responses are all about priority, as that’s the most relevant thing to consider when discussing this kind of thing.

If the devs could just, make it? Yeah, I’d like to see a playable chicken AI. It’d be funny. I’d like velociraptor.

[robust gulch]

Priority is subjective, which is why I'm not hinging my rationale on it.

[toxic wren]

But we already have stuff that does 90% of what velociraptor could do.

No, it wouldn’t be able to bleed stuff out more than an omni can of its weight class.

If you slap a juvie omni next to a peak prime velo, both the same weight, that’s probably a 30% omni. That’s not going to be dangerous, they have the same equipment.

[urban flax]

I'd rather have velo than acro and carchar, both of which are planned, tragically

[urban flax]

APart from the fact that they don't

[toxic wren]

Are you referring to ptera and herra not already covering the hunting and terrain traversal of Velo’s weight bracket?

Or are you saying that Velo’s raptor body parts would be more dangerous than Omni’s raptor body parts?

[urban flax]

I'm referring to the fact that this is a game and anything can be made as unique as needed and it's not hard to give different animals a different kit despite looking similar

[toxic wren]

What would velo do? Fly badly? Ptera.

Hunt tiny things? Ptera, herra, troodon.

All terrain? Herra

What’s the niche here.

[robust gulch]

There's plenty of existing dinos and planned ones that I like

don't care about or get the fascination for

||AUSTROOOOOO CAAMMAA||

but a big appeal of this game is that there's a variety of things, such as big horncrest dino and medium horncrest dino for example, there's dinos that fill niches for playstyle, and to me, even literally just "Venomless Troodon with flutterwings" is enough of a distinction that, when the velociraptor is then considered for the sum of its parts, might make me want to play it over a Herrera, Ptera, Omniraptor, or Troodon.

[toxic wren]

Yeah it’d be a pointless little dude that would look cute flapping around. Bottom of the priority list since his niches are taken.

[limber hull]

@paper bay #general-feedback message

the very reason the eggs can't give nutrients is because of juvis using it to ez grow. Why invest the time and effort of growing a rex when a mixpacking trike can lay enough eggs to grow you out of your vulnerable juvi stage with ease?

[robust gulch]

You're hyperfocusing on the ecological niche. Which, while that is important, is not the same as the playstyle/gameplay niche I'm talking about.

[toxic wren]

No, what’s the gameplay niche in the ecosystem simulator?

[limber hull]

im the kind of person who'd rather play a velo than a giga, personally

just because you don't like velo doesn't mean it exists without purpose

[robust gulch]

I'm talking about the visceral feel of moving and operating the character.

That's why when you talk about Ptera's flight, I'm just like 'what, they operate so differently it's not a comparison'

[toxic wren]

Me too, I love playing hypsi. We don’t need more hypsis.

I’d hate to see someone request… idk, taco being made fully playable with a new mechanic for quills to defend its burrow.

Like we’re going to have protoceratops and avaceratops already. Enough.

[limber hull]

i'd play taco lmao

[toxic wren]

Sure, the devs could make Taco fun. I’d play taco.

But it’s just a “hey that’d be fun” because we need all the actual playables first.

Dinosaurs, then the humans, then the mutants, then we can revisit AI guys that are just cute

[limber hull]

like im of the belief that minmi is the single most interesting herbivores in the game to me

[toxic wren]

Ditto.

[robust gulch]

Talking about the ecological niche requires more knowledge and is a step beyond the visceral, operations-level gameplay and functionality, hence why I'm not diving into the ecological aspects as much yet.

[limber hull]

even though it's aquatic, a burrower, armoured like anky and so on

[toxic wren]

I can agree velo would be fun to double jump around with. I dislike most BoB gameplay, I love gliding on Chang. It’s still bottom of the to do list.

Minmi’s niche is so unique it’s hard to even compare it to anky lol.

[robust gulch]

Fluttering is way more fundamental than a quill mechanic. It's a wonder it wasn't started on years ago. Clearly it's needed for Hypsi (at least, we think so), and implementing it might enable other future dinos. Since someone had the idea to introduce velociraptors, seems like these two things would go together well if the developers got the chance and had the hankering.

[toxic wren]

If they are going to invest any time into flight/fluttering at all, they should be working on Hypsi, Ptera, and Quetz first.

Making Velo wouldn’t be bad. Making velo before literally anything else non-AI would be bad.

[robust gulch]

We already have Hypsi to build it upon, so yes, for the love of god let the devs make fluttering already.

My final thought addressing the damage and hunting stuff for Velos is, make altitude the scaling element, and accuracy the skill element.

That is, make the velociraptor's bleed extra dependent on body part, namely the neck, such that a player who can really pull off a good jumping strike to the neck will be rewarded with kills, then, the target's height and specifically posture/neckiness becomes a major factor for who predates on whom; then, the skill ceiling is defined by using the terrain to get that crazy superjump into fly-in at the Rex's neck with your pack, at the highest levels.

[warped fog]

velo will prob come in 10 years time considering we already have a velo (troodon). Not that they're identical, velo wont have venom ofc, but they'll be just similar enough in size and role.

I think the devs want to release as many unique dinos as possible before releasing 'echo fighters' such as velociraptor (to match troodon) and utahraptor (to match the corny omniraptor OC)

This is coming from someone who really wants utahraptor

[junior nymph]

@pliant token try the damage pounce buddy

[robust gulch]

Yes, don't take the ❌ s to mean people don't love Omniraptor, but rather that currently the exact opposite of what you're saying is true; their pounce is straight up broken and makes OTHER dinosaurs unplayable.

(you= @pliant token sorry)

[rotund fractal]

Any opinion to my message?

[signal geode]

They will fix most those issues with time In the mean while you dont have to play the game In its current state
Also devs have started that they want to Push new features out and After that balance them

[ornate pewter]

#general-feedback message

Most definitely. Not only should we be able to smell our own species when they are dead, but we should probably have some indication of gender when they're alive.

[nocturne holly]

Someone to tell me if Dev gonna return our dinos?

[junior nymph]

no

[nocturne holly]

Cool then fix this game 😃

Cuz we lost so much dinos and thats an devs foul not mine or someone else

Why we pay for broken game while wasting time for growing?

[jaunty sable]

the game is not finished, you are literally warned when you open the game that it is not finished
the time is not wasted if you do make it fun for yourself instead of afk growing

[junior nymph]

it was a hack, atleast I believe it was, if it was its now fixed

[blissful atlas]

if it was the exploit they patched, which doesnt seem out of the realm of possibility.

[robust gulch]

This is an exceptional disaster. People can expect critical blowups in the sub-beta of the Early Access game, but they deserve stability on the "stable branch" of a game centered around hardcore survival and organically developing ecosystems.

[junior nymph]

knowing that they stopped doing what they were doing for a day to get it fixed most likely means it was the issue

[blissful atlas]

that would be my assumption, aswell.

[urban flax]

You're right

However, evrima isn't the stable branch of the game
The stable branch is legacy

[wintry cipher]

Evrima has a warning on the main menu every time you load up stating it is unstable.

[rich vortex]

@wintry cipher the idea itself has some room to run, however I feel negating pins kind of breaks the whole point of the pin mechanic, it would make it to easy to totally negate ambush preds. If it wasn't for that id vote yes. I think having it so instead it works on resistance buffs corisponding to what you've done (constantly perfect diet = slower diet drain, swimming to clean off dirt = harder to track and so on)

@wild crescent I'm on the fence on this one, I feel like whilst reqlistic, it'd encourage fresh spawns to destory thier nests once hatched in, leading to a huge greifing problems. Maybe if the parent had to mark the eggs as food first to prevent that? Otherwise I think it'd cause too many problems, would be a nice mechanic though

[wild crescent]

It was done before they made eggs give no nutrients, if that happened before the parents would just kill the griefing juvi anyway.

[rich vortex]

I suppose, just my view on it. Then again having eggs being diet boosters could very well insintivise a big risk reward factor for canis looking to raid, so I can see it potentially being quite fun in that prospective

Changing my vote to a yes under that context 🙂

[robust gulch]

Not to be overly pedantic, but the warning says there may be disruptions such as bugs, unfinished mechanics, and performance issues.

It's not an open season, all bets are off well of risk like the total deletion of character progress.

There's a middle ground and that's literally Evrima. Hordetest is the sub-beta, Legacy is the fossilized abandoned version.

[blissful atlas]

evrima is the "stable" beta. hordetest is the more/very unstable beta of the beta. and while not being worked on, legacy is stable.

[robust gulch]

I just - still carry the old cultural móré that "beta" is supposed to mean the "unreleased" version not yet fit to be considered more than an experiment to see if the product will work as intended for the general customer base, yet so many studios want to hhhonestly hide behind the term indefinitely. Steam's Early Access initiative really opened that up more.

I don't wanna rant about it though, just, this game and this specific moment in its development history has finally squeezed it out of me.

[mighty girder]

@obtuse wing Just dont play on those servers lol

[mighty girder]

@scarlet osprey again, just dont play on those servers. those skins are not available by default unless servers specifically allow them 😂

[scarlet osprey]

You want me to play on low pop servers not really high?

[blissful atlas]

you can play wherever you want. if you dont want your favorite community server to have bright skins ask them about it.

[scarlet osprey]

I just wanted to give a suggestion and I don't think they will remove it if I'm the only person that says to remove it

[icy lion]

Remove what? They're not on official servers and unofficials have to use bots to make them

It's not officially supported by the game, the devs have nothing to do with it

[mighty girder]

^^^

[scarlet osprey]

Officials have low pop they can completely remove it from the game so no one can use them

[icy lion]

What?

[mighty girder]

if you dont want flashy neon skins yet choose to play on the servers that have them nobody here can help you with it. Theres high pop servers that dont do neon skins.

[icy lion]

I just said they can't remove it from the game

[scarlet osprey]

It's their game and they can't?

[icy lion]

Like I said, unofficials do it by tying bots into their servers

The solution is to play servers that don't do that

[scarlet osprey]

I play on the dino den and choose the one that I think is good and some of them is not good for me and has lower pop and has like too much growth speed and stuff or too many bots so that's why the one I like has these skins

[icy lion]

Ok

[scarlet osprey]

😝

[urban flax]

That's crazy

"I don't want to play officials so I play unofficials, but I don't like how these unofficials work so I'll ask the devs to change it for me"

That's a bit like asking game devs to fix bugs in your cracked copy of their game

[warped fog]

@obtuse wing another setting option but it makes every custom green skin bright white so those filthy custom camo skin abusers get slimed

[urban flax]

How is making camouflaged skins abuse

[warped fog]

abuse as in 'using it as a crutch' not 'exploiting'

[urban flax]

Dude
If a dino is green, it's because it's supposed to be camouflaged

[warped fog]

im referring to the players who use custom skins to make their dino green when they can't be green without custom skins, just because they're using camo as a crutch

[urban flax]

Oh that
Well I don't play on servers with ugly skins enabled so I wouldn't know

[warped fog]

an in-game client option to see every custom (not vanilla) green section bright white would be funny asf and amazing karma

[marble shale]

this seems more of an issue to take up with the unnofficials that have that issue. considering the dev team dont control the things unofficials implement

[warped fog]

don't even think it'd be possible for unofficials to do as it'd be a client sided color change similar to beasts of bermuda's realistic colors option

[marble shale]

but also, personally i dont see the issue with camo skins, unless they change their skin to be perfect camo as soon as they enter a specific enviroment, but even then, the current TI skin palletes arent that great compared to older ones, so it makes sense for people to edit it a bit.

[warped fog]

people are making their entire dino perfect bush green when their dinos don't even allow it in vanilla just to bushcamp and as a crutch

[marble shale]

well, theres not much to do except make a suggestion in the unofficials discord to remove those perfect camo colors, which is unlikely honestly

[warped fog]

or devs could add a client sided setting like i mentioned to give them karma, it'd be funny asf

[marble shale]

i suppose

[icy lion]

@alpine mural When did you last delete the config folder?

[alpine mural]

Yesterday

[icy lion]

Do you have Lumen or Foliage Physics enabled?

[alpine mural]

Nope

[icy lion]

Foliage physics is in the Gameplay settings, you checked there right?

What are your specs and settings?

[alpine mural]

Yes definitely, I have never turned that setting on. I have a 4070 TI, 32 gigs of ddr5 ram, and an amd ryzen 9 7900x both my gpu and cpu are only at 50% usage from isle.

[icy lion]

Ooohhh 4070. For some reason a lot of the 70s have been having poor performance. I'd honestly submit something into #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 to explaining your specs and the drop in frames

[alpine mural]

Oh that's interesting to know, but no solution exists rn?

[icy lion]

Not that I personally know of, unfortunately

[urban flax]

The Isle performance has always been some dark magic

With each update people are always getting wildly different results with seemingly no correlation to their specs

[scarlet osprey]

No way bro you should have been able to play on max graphics or atleast high and with 60+ stable fps without drops but the game is poorly optimised so its not your setup fault its the game tho but maybe something from your side since i seen people with 2060 getting good fps in high i think yeah one said or 2 but similar i guess thats crazy

[scarlet osprey]

Games get better with updates and try to improve but isle gets better overall but gets worse in performance after each update i love the game but not the optimisation of it.

[marsh ravine]

mod support would change game drastically!

[lilac bolt]

from what we know mod support might happen closer to the full release its not happening anytime soon

[final silo]

id want the game to not have bugs and let the devs cook with their playables first

[marsh ravine]

mods get tested ya know

[onyx tiger]

Allowing us to mod can help with bugs, performance, map changes and more. It could help find things the devs didnt see and improve on what they didnt realise they could, it wont really take anything away from the devs except other ppl will probably make playable mods which could lose a bit of the attention from devs playables depending on if people prefer the modders work, except from that it can benefit everyone.

[warped fog]

@agile elk there already is a pachy sparring mechanic, though since pachys are more hit-and-run, it's moreso of a clash than the other spars

If two pachys headbutt ram each other at the same time, they both bonk and cancel their own attack stunning them both

[topaz pasture]

Mods are a bad idea because they can be exploited heavily. Once that system is open, it becomes very difficult to control.

[warped fog]

many performance mods in tons of video games are secretly just 'let me see less foliage so I can get a gameplay advantage' disguised as more fps

[topaz pasture]

Yeah and you already have a major advantage in the isle by playing on bad graphic settings, i dont want mods to enhance this.

[obtuse wing]

Funny argument, literally all community servers use them to some extent, those that don't sell them simply shut down due to lack of donations.
In turn, if you suggest to the servers not to sell them, they will simply say "if you don't like these skins, just don't use them"
As if a Pink Ceratosaurus walking around doesn't directly impact my immersion

[blissful atlas]

i certainly hope people arent paying for skins?

[obtuse wing]

Yes, this happens

[blissful atlas]

[obtuse wing]

It's always the same, players who value more "normal" skins will always be disadvantaged, as a simple filter is denied to them... sad

[blissful atlas]

[mighty girder]

Damn someone tell metta the bad news quick

[wheat knot]

Wait till you learn of the loot boxes

[blissful atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-14255166451895968330

[wheat knot]

Some folks have no control

[native shore]

like myself

[wooden agate]

mettas den is a good choice

while i agree to the point with some extent, i also like the way petit handles it

skins are sold via a discord currency you earn in game, are pretty rare to trigger in the first place even with streamer buffs and all, and are often more of a downside because of the large playercount (making it far harder to effectively hide.)

even then, not all of the skins are uber unrealistic either. a decent chunk are based on IRL color mutations of reptiles, such as Albino, Melanistic, Piedbald, etc. admittedly there are some that are kinda wild but i see the more """""naturalistic"""" skins a bit more often than i see the wack ones

but petits has a whole host of other problems from what i hear so pick your poison

[obtuse wing]

Honestly, these justifications don't convince me; I just wish I had the option to not see these awful skins that have infiltrated the game

[limpid dock]

#general-feedback message

Honestly I think the weather sounds should stay as is, the weather should mask sounds around you. But intense weather should be less frequent

@scarlet sky ^

[marble shale]

@minor sentinel while i agree with some of these (special mutations, a part of the resting grounds, and entombment buffs being a bit more rewarding) i disagree with most of it. the more missions part seems good, maybe only like 20 missions max, however the prime missions being amount specific depending on dino tiers is a bit of a middle ground, as far as we know, small dinosaurs (troodon, hypsi, beipi, dryo, and deino (large, but mz/pz is hard for it.) only require 4, while the others need 5. i think a good middle ground would be based on the dinosaurs play style and size, say if it was more of a roamer, it would need a few more prime requirements. so maia, teno, dibble, middle tier herbivores like that, aswell as a few mid tier carnivores that are often migratory (omniraptors, dilophs, similar things) would need 6 prime requirements, and large apexes that have easier times walking around and travelling (trike, rex) would need 6 aswell, or maybe even seven. while the others stay at five, though ptera is a bit of a strange one, while it has easy times travelling, it goes infertile easily due to most of its diets outrunning it, and it having a singular spawn that isnt too great (from my experience.) since if you spawn at night, you are basically doomed. so either add more things to its diet or give it 4 requirements needed. the storage is implemented on alot of unnofficials, however i feel it wouldnt be great for officials, due to the premise of the game being survival and semi horror, it feels more natural to play as you're dino until it inevitably dies. however since it has some human/science aspects to it, maybe theres a way it could have storage, but im unsure exactly what. the speed bonuses is another middleground, i feel they should readd the speed boosting mutations, and make it so prime remains with the speed buffs, but frail doesnt get speed debuffs.

resting grounds are another middle ground, i dont think they should be required for entombment, however i do feel that maybe it should be able to give a 75-90% dinosaur prime if they manage to go to the resting grounds and obtain perf diet or so there before reaching 90%, thus unlocking prime. and maybe if you entomb there, you get a slight chance of having reaching 100% on the next life to give you less debuffs. frail or not

[scarlet sky]

Right if you want immersion but for me it's choosing that and literally not being able to even hear myself speak or how loud I am actually being when I have neighbours. It's not exactly ideal for it to be this loud. And they could make it to where we can adjust the volume of it individually but not mute it entirely, that way there's still immersion but we can instead balance it for ourselves and what works best.

Too add onto it I love the weather sounds my issue literally just lies in me not being able to turn it down to that sweet spot where it's still loud but not to the point where I am shouting on a weekend with people who live above me have kids 💀

[minor sentinel]

resting grounds are not a required for entombment

[marble shale]

maybe, as another suggestion was already made about this, it could slightly lower other volumes aswell, not as much as it lowers the storm volumes, but so its not a exploitable thing

[marble shale]

ah i see, mustve misread it, apologies! its quite late over here

[scarlet sky]

Well that's why I thought to add into my feedback post that if they where worried about an exploit just make it to where we cannot mute it entirely. So then there's a limit for how quiet it can actually be and not fully muted. Just something for where myself and othera can hear ourselves talk and not have our ears blasted and having to result into muting the game as a whole in pc settings so then we're not having to constantly fiddle with the in-game sound settings themselves.

[marble shale]

yeah, in general i think the whole game needs a bit of a tune down in volume, no matter your noise levels its either muted or deafening as soon as something makes a roar (especially ceratos. those things need a lower noise volume) or rain comes

@obsidian jetty youve reacted X to both of my age based diet posts, mind telling me why ? :]

[scarlet sky]

Yeah it just literally needs to be balanced so badly. Like I literally am begging atp for them to make it to where we can turn it down individually but only to a certain extent so that way it's not entirely muted. I don't want to be listening to silent rain, I still want to enjoy it but it's hard too enjoy it when it's literally to the point where me and others cannot hear ourselves in real life or each other 💀

[marble shale]

Yep, that i agree with

[obsidian jetty]

sure, I'm not totally against dynamic diets for carnivores, but the ones proposed seem to make things a bit too easy and I also don't think the diets of adult, prime and frail elder need to (or should be) different. The adult diet should be the final one with prime elders having an easier time obtaining food while frail elders have a harder time. But that's just how I see it anyway.

[marble shale]

ah i see, honestly i do agree with the prime elder/frail elder/adult ones, and that is true on the easy parts, i feel juveniles should still have some smaller ais and allo needs a pretty big rework in terms of diets, considering its got like.. 3 things of each diet on it, which isnt. great to say the least.

im honestly a bit sleep deprived and cant properly think of GOOD dynamic diets, but i do think at the very least juveniles and some carnis lacking in diets should have a few more AIs, and herreras are semi aquatic somewhat, i feel it wouldnt be too wild to say they would eat elite fish at adulthood

[obsidian jetty]

well, I think most of Allo's food options aren't in the game yet. I'm sure it's going to get more foods as more medium sized things are added. I do, however, partly agree on the juvi issue. Some diets are really weird for the juveniles.

[marble shale]

yeah, juvis in general have a hard time getting diets without a parental figure around to hunt for them, due to being so frail.

as a carni juvenile, i find it pretty hard to get any diets if i dont have rabbits, fish, or chickens on my diet unless i spawn near Hl sanc and get lucky with AI galli spawns

[obsidian jetty]

I rarely struggle to get diets as a juvi (apart from the oh so scarce lipids that is), pretty much every juvi can kill deer, but sometimes I wonder why chicken and/or rabbit are missing for some animals I think should have them.

I also hate those AI Gallis with a passion 😂

[marble shale]

yeahh, but deer are tricky, they can oneshot or heavily injure/bleed out juvis even when the juvis are nowhere near their attack radius.

and the lipids are awful to obtain for quite awhile, usually i manage to scrap them up last second unless i get lucky.

[obsidian jetty]

yeah, just have to come across some unlucky juvi that you can kill...

[marble shale]

or manage to actually find those cursed gallis XD

but in general, dynamic carnivore diets would add a bit more immersion, realism, and also just generally make gameplay just ever so slightly easier. i feel subs would be the basic diets the dino has normally, while adults could have a bit larger dinos or even less dinos to encourage more hunting, and juvis would have more AI/easier kills and things

[obsidian jetty]

I'm all for removing AI from adult diets. Not sure about adding it to juvi diets tho...but I'm a glutton for punishment, so don't pay attention to me. xD

[marble shale]

lol, thats valid, honestly i just think a select few juvis that have harder times hunting deers and boars should get rabbits and chickens in the meantime. ALSO DEBUFF THE TURN RADIUS THOSE THINGS TURN BETTER THEN A DANG DIME XD

but its nice to hear your opinions, and i do aggree, it needs some polishes but in general if its executed properly (or at all) it would probably provide more immersion and a better ecosystem!

[obsidian jetty]

I guess it'll all make sense one day. Currently I'm happy enough if everyone gets something to eat. Can work out the details later. ^^

[icy lion]

@storm aurora It was removed because it got bugged and stopped working

[latent olive]

this armour system could work for armoured animals like minmi and anky, just without the moulting

i also disliked the suggestion because of all the buzzwords at the bottom
#general-feedback message

[toxic wren]

Isn’t this armor system just the current locked/unlocked health regeneration we have atm?

[frozen heron]

No? Those are two completely different things

[frozen heron]

It's just chatgpt with the emdashes removed

[limber hull]

it doesn't even work the way they say it will

if the only way to regenerate armour is to molt, and molt's "downside" is that you have no armour, you just molt every time you have no armour and its fine

there's no real stakes if you just molt the moment you're not in combat

[latent olive]

figured

[limpid dock]

I just turn the entire game sound down at that point

No point in having it loud if you can't hear anything anyways

[robust gulch]

It actually hurts my ears.

Like, the overall audio mixing, it's... objectively bad. There's a lot of good ideas, beautiful artistic vision, but functionally and frankly medically bad.

[left bane]

Plz add 'fix stuck player' - sad way to die after days of growing:

[icy lion]

Use /unstuck

[left bane]

many thyanks!

[gentle lichen]

#general-feedback message @bitter dove

amen 🙏🏿

[bitter dove]

they legit took rex and said "frick giga's whole thing of trotting things down, rex will have everything AND MORE"
like dondi, please, thats not how balance works 😭😭

[gentle lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/this-gif-4354544

[warped fog]

@native shore Cool concept but I think they'd barely be used. Think about it:

If I want to reach 100% faster to entomb for more mutations, why would I waste one of my extremely valuable mutation slots on something that is useless for 75% of my next life, and is also useless after hitting 100%? The purpose is for more mutations, not less.

And if I want to reach 100% slower? Might be okay for players who want to 0/3 and die before they entomb, but in that case, why even take this mutation over a combat mutation?

I do think we need 'old age' mutations, but mutations that make old age less weak, that way they double as combat/survival mutations that people would actually invest in

[icy lion]

@low lark It was bugged, and #general-feedback isn't for questions

[low lark]

first, I did not know that. Second, that's my feedback. It needs to come back quick.

[loud slate]

idk where else to put this but i am trying to report a bug and i am unsure of what format it wants the game version in?

[dire stream]

Prime is bug ?

[robust gulch]

Considering we just had a pack get Prime together yet one of our more experienced players who did the same didn't, suggests it must be.

[robust gulch]

The Elder - Prime/Frail system needs to be reworked further first even.

[sharp drum]

have they said anything about pt stam

[slim halo]

its dondis favorite dinosaur so it has to be strong

[mighty girder]

Hey! Game version will show in the top left corner while youre playing :)

[loud slate]

The version is what I typed in and the report says still it is not correct

[mighty girder]

you dont have a space typed after it or anything do you?

[loud slate]

Not that I’m aware of but I suppose that’s possible

[icy lion]

@dusty yoke It's planned

[dusty yoke]

I can't wait

[mighty girder]

you wanna see some of its new skins/concept?? it got an entirely new model and everything

[junior nymph]

@thick idol yes and no, one one hand having more food would be great for deino as they can lurk in spots waiting for longer, no because then diets are hard to keep up as you lose so little food, if you buff diet drain then you have to nerf growth time to make it longer to help cope with the higher amounts of diet and food a deino can have, as without a growthtime nerf it would just lead to juvies sitting in one spot and just afking, allthough this would be good for when you are full grown as you would then have loads of food and diet to live and thrive as a deino, which in my opinion is a good trade off, longer growth for better gameplay niche.

[cosmic peak]

awsome new update intsalled tots a new set up thanks i'l try around from herr thanks for all the help!

[hexed latch]

you could either make land AI animals go to the water to drink so that Deino's would have a change og split the total AI server max into water and land AI animals, it seems like the servers stops spawning AI animals in water when there is too meny on land and that doesnt help Deinos.

[junior nymph]

eh

[hexed latch]

?

[junior nymph]

no. Better way to do it is just let deino spearfish, but make it so each time a deino wants to fish it has to go to the bottom of the water and fish for about 5 minutes before catching one Spearfishing is the thing ptera has btw

and spearfishing also seems like its going to majority if not all the semi aquatic roster so why not give it to deino

[hexed latch]

okay sp like an emergency solution if Deino foods runs out in the area?!

[junior nymph]

yea

[urban flax]

I don't think that's a "better way" to do it

Deino isn't a fisher
That's what differentiates it from the rest of the semiaquatics

[junior nymph]

but rn it doesnt really have much, having it go 5 mins is so you can kinda just fish as a last resort to barely keep up your hunger, as it wont be like instant 100% food, it would be like you eat the fish you fish for another 5 mins, you lose the hunger than you got from the last fish mostly and then you catch another, making it so you have like a minute more hunger than you did before, its not meant to be deino lives off it, its meant to be a little resort thing. or on the side of hunts

[urban flax]

I'm pretty sure having a hard time getting food as deino is intended

Starvation, or the risk of it, is supposed to be a big part of the game

[robust gulch]

#general-feedback message

Why yes. In fact:

#announcements message

[modern dawn]

Fix herra climbing, its buggy and all over the place and rubberbands backwards half the time. Also fix how the servers dont save our dinos anymore. quite an issue that one.

[warped fog]

@full comet Holy based feedback it's so peak all it needs is 'perma ban anyone that plays rex'

[junior nymph]

LOL

[lost turtle]

name server plis

[vernal jacinth]

#general-feedback isn’t meant for that kind of question. You can ask in #evrima-eu or #evrima-sa for people to play with. Or the other chat channels but rules require all channels to speak in English except #evrima-sa
Just don’t want you to get a warning 👍🏻

[robust gulch]

@limber dragon #general-feedback message

The best thing you can do for now might be to band together and create your own Russian language Unofficial server in the meantime.

You could even keep it vanilla rules like Officials.

If you can run your own Unofficial with a VPN?

#server-hosting message

[slow gorge]

A lot of issues with porting to Russia aren't even the game companies right now, they're server providers and host systems. Idk if the isle devs specifically are banning Russia. (If they are, asking for that and saying you're connecting with s vpn is probably a great way to catch a ban.)

[icy lion]

@dawn mesa If you are experiencing issues with your controls since the latest update (can't move camera, unable to court, etc) then please try wiping your config files in localappdata.

1. If running The Isle, exit the game.
2. Press the Windows key
3. Type %localappdata% then press Enter.
4. Find "TheIsle" folder. Open it.
5. Open the "Saved" folder.
6. Delete the "Config" folder. Note: This will reset any of your custom settings to their defaults.
7. Restart the game. The issues should be fixed.

[dawn mesa]

It worked, thank you

[vernal jacinth]

<@&933486433342222376>

[neat ibex]

@stone moat if its gonna play really bad then it better look cool while it plays bad lmao i agree man

[stone moat]

right? I be dying from inconsistent AI, glitching thru a rock and into a hill, losing my hard earned stats after only an hour of prime era. But hey they just heavily revised PT flying and water animations and color system and quetzal vocal pallete so its all good!

[stone moat]

also did someone get personally offended with my phase 3 request to add terror birds and being cautious of what flies above you as part of survival? It got taken down immediately? I really thought i was cooking there maybe it was just too good of a suggestion

[icy lion]

#phase-three-requests is not for game suggestions, as explained in its description and pinned messages

[stone moat]

ope

[warped fog]

I didn't see the original message so I'm confused by this. Are you implying terror birds would be flying above other dinos?

[wheat knot]

@eternal moss the hordetest is not solely about new content. It also encompasses fixes and adjustments

[young arch]

<@&933486433342222376> on every channel

[robust gulch]

Bigger body spikes should actually be worse for bigger pinners than smaller ones, since the bigger body is more likely to collide with them.

In a simpler implementation that could mean that the Kentro's size determines the bodyspike threshold, and the pouncer/pinner's size that meets the threshold would take bodyspike damage if they land on the bodyspike part of the hitbox. And the bigger the bodyspike, the more damage dealt.

#general-feedback message

[blissful lotus]

I went through 3 mz zones had perfect diet, never became a cannibal, went through sanctuary, and never became interfile yet i dont get prime

[odd matrix]

Anyone else having underwater visibility issues?

Like... Deino can't see at all.

Above water, and below, in the same spot.

[junior nymph]

this isnt a migration anymore, your map is severely outdated same with south, its also not a migration highlands is completely changed with it now being a massive plain and the migration is all around it delta is now a massive migration not just that part

[blissful lotus]

Which is why this game needs to make it so it's easier to visit 2 MZs instead of having to go to an outdated map on Google 😞

[junior nymph]

then go to a indate one, also it just has to be active, not inactive

[mighty girder]

Turn night vision on

[midnight gate]

are there any admins on right now that can get me unstuck? i spent 2 hours on my rex so far and fell into a rock and cant get out

[spark coral]

the underwater vision unfortunately is like that(it used to be better until the shaders were changed), even on beipi, you have to angle your camera above the water to be able to see

[patent epoch]

I genuinely have never had this happen and I main Herrera, how common is it?

[mighty girder]

@void pier pot and ark are both finished games. Mod support is planned when the devs have time, right now they have higher and better priorities

[void pier]

Okay, I had no way of knowing. Its just a suggestion.

[mighty girder]

no worries was just explaining for ya

[eager hearth]

It’s not nearly as noticeable as it was prior to the recent server meltdown maintenance, from trees and jumps.

However, it is still really bad on rock surfaces.

Trees still have pretty terrible jank to, with just failing to climb onto parts of them, getting stuck, and whatever tf is going on with the ones in the swamp.

[void pier]

Thanks 😊

[warped fog]

@thorn prism i'd argue don't even give a stamina nerf

sure, older dinos should be weaker, but a carno getting ran down by dilos on flat terrain is insane

[thorn prism]

Yeah, that could be reasonable. Since they already get a damage nerf anways. But if I was gonna have to pick between a speed or a stamina nerf without being able to completely remove either one I would go stamina 👍

[marble shale]

@trail mesa i agree with most of this except the last two, main reason prolific reproduction is popular in people planning to nest is because of the stamina, food, and water buffs it gives. along with the growth rate, also, hydrodynamic not being available for semi aquatics could cause some issues, herrera is a semi aquatic, deino is a semi aquatic, beipi is a semi aquaitc. herrera is the slowest semi aquatic and benefits from hydrodynamic if you plan on ambushing more water filled areas, deino also benefits so you dont have to use as much stamina to get somewhere quickly, and it also makes beipis jumps higher to allow easier escapes and a bit more mobility. each one uses hydrodynamic in a unique, specific way that benefits them as much as it benefits non-semi aquatics (or even more)

[trail mesa]

That’s kinda my reason for hydrodynamic, it’s way too crucial and necessary on semi aquatics to use hydro to stay viable. It’s essentially the same as when photo/nocturnal gave a speed boost, and they were the strongest mutations in the game. As for prolific, yeah people use that a lot for the buffs it gives, but having those straight buffs for all your hatchlings is such a big advantage especially for clans

[marble shale]

thats true for both points i suppose, however for hydrodynamic i feel that if its removed for semis it would make said semis less popular, either give semi aquatics a much needed swimming boost without the mutation, or dont remove the mutation, its a fine line to cross upon. with prolific, i think maybe having the buffs only last till 50% would be a nice compromise, since by then they arent as needed. or only have those buffs apply for smaller dinosaurs

[marble shale]

@frank mist i get why troodons are frustrating, however most of their game style and mechanics rely on hunting juveniles to get food, and where do you find juveniles? sanctuaries. also juveniles are weight based, not percentage based, this way juvis that are realistically way to big to stay in sanc get kicked out, and thats also why things like dryos can stay and eat mushrooms till eventually being kicked. also, ptera seeks safety in sanctuaries every once in awhile, and because of how hard it is to hunt basically anything as ptera, it makes sense for it to be able to hunt every once in awhile there.

so i dont think they should be kicked from sanctuaries, same goes with hypsis, they rely on sanctuary for defense half the time. thus it makes sense for them to stay

[vernal jacinth]

@wraith robin those are already being worked on

[wraith robin]

nice to know :3

[slow gorge]

"Juveniles are weight based" unless you're a deino who needs it to prime but can't see it and will get stung even at 16kg. Then you're just boned for no reason.

[marble shale]

well, from my experience its mostly weight based excluding deino. i dont know why bees hate deino.

[tired quest]

its the devs that hates deino, not bees

[marble shale]

apologies for late reply, you didnt really ping me

[marble shale]

also even if the bees hate you, its not that hard to get prime. just enter to where you get bees stinging you, then leave and bam thats the sanc task done

[tired quest]

there are server that gives you notification once you complete one task
its pretty clear for deino once they get attack by bees , the task for heading to sanc is done

[marble shale]

yeah thats what i just said

[slow gorge]

Yeah, pings are kind annoying. And sure, but that's true of all dinosaurs and changes nothing about what I said?

[tired quest]

we will have to wait for the dev to add in aquatic sanc into the game, like the mangrove thing they showed in stream

[slow gorge]

And prime on deino is AWFUL to get frankly, it has only one path, one accessible sanctuary, etc. It's a little "beat your head against the wall", worth it but VERY hard

[marble shale]

yeah it is, i hope they do rework it however it doesnt need mzs which is nice at least, usually if im careful i can just go to delta sanc and get perf diet from ai if im lucky, but thats if im lucky.

[tired quest]

there are 2 actually

[slow gorge]

Other dinos can get prime just going about their day and hit any one of like a dozen places for each task with food every step of the way. :<

Oh man I always get eaten tryna do delta sanc. Every time. I've never made it back in one peice.

[tired quest]

if you unfortunately spawn in the east lake, you can touch the sanc, struggle to find food in that lake until you are big enough to move to the waterfall area

[slow gorge]

Oh lol I have died every time from east lake too. My favorite spawn is NL followed by swamp

[tired quest]

just go play on those server which have body drop and ai dinos, not worth it on official settings

[queen locust]

I was reading a post about allo's pounce then got blitzed by a wall of text abt bleed lol

[slow gorge]

Lol that's like saying "go play an admin server and insta grow look u got prime" it's not the same

[tired quest]

since the devs struggle to fix fundamental stuff of deino's gameplay, I think this is the best option atm

[slow gorge]

Ok. I wasn't asking for any sort of advice. I wasn't suggesting anybody do anything. I wasn't asking for a response. Just pointing out that you can be the smallest croc in the world and get stung so it can't be solely weight based.

50kg rex in sanc 👍 16kg croc in sanc 👎 Sub adult 45kg beipi in sanc 👎

[tired quest]

even fat stego and maia can fit in

[slow gorge]

Yeah it can't be a straight up weight profile

[mild valley]

are fish spawns still bugged?

[blissful atlas]

@steady eagle you're better off reporting bugs in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

also admins have no control over the game.

[steady eagle]

thanks, doesnt matter. don't think developer care at all. 😄

[blissful atlas]

it does. and they do.

[steady eagle]

i just play this game, deino is so buggy to play.
and deino is the latest deino release to the game?

and yet still got problem/buggy?

[blissful atlas]

deino is not the latest release. rex and allo are.

also the game is in active development. the menu warns you everytime you log in that you may experience bugs. this is unfortunately one of them.
its ok to take a break and come back when some bugs are fixed

[steady eagle]

Yea, the announcement on that page is the best shield they have.
So, they can get out of their responsibility if any things/issue happen as long they put it there.

But consider the game you need to pay and play at low prices compare to others game.
We can't really complaint and have to deal with it.

It is their priority to make the game more stable or create more dino to attract for more new player to pay and play. Who knows this decision/priority is come from game owner/developer?

[blissful atlas]

if the game isn't for you thats fine. i'm not going to argue with you.

[steady eagle]

I just stated the fact and reality. Only insider will know what's happen and direction of this game.

[steady eagle]

but anyway, thanks and appreciated with your information. 😄

[marble shale]

Late reply again, I think its a mix of weight, age, and species tbh but idk it's the isle it's code is harder to solve then the world's hardest puzzle

[slow gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-ping-me-no-ping-turn-off-ping-off-ping-zero-ping-gif-12234848188044149186

[marble shale]

Woops, apologies im on my mobile right now and it's a bit buggy with those options. I thought I hit it but guess not :/

[slow gorge]

Yeah it is sometimes I think I've done everything possible gone everywhere but I still don't get prime. It's weird.

[marble shale]

Yeah it's strange, for me the guaranteed prime route is highlands -> west rail -> South plains or the other way around.

Sometimes Delta too if you wanna be absolutely sure. Not really possible to travel like that for deino though

[slow gorge]

Gramphix (this is not the ocean, this is a river)

[marsh ravine]

true

[signal geode]

#general-feedback message
mixpacking isnt breaking any rules cause official has none (accept hacking) so why should they be banned

[junior nymph]

@lucid robin there are issues with said video, like the massive amount of damage laceration idea on stage one, if its 2-3 allos one does the massive bite while the others just claw swipe and maybe get a bite in before the thing runs away, it doesnt give a second chance its just look you run for like a minute or two then you bleed out if you are something like teno, also it makes it so solo allo would be pretty much useless against most things.

[limber hull]

also it brings up "pinslop" yet doesn't mention raptor and troodon at all

[junior nymph]

it does

[lucid robin]

did you watch the whole video? only one allo can do the massive bite

the guy considered packs being OP and counteracted that

[junior nymph]

I did, and I never said multiple do large bites, I said 1 does animal gets stunned and then the other claw swipe and bite.

also I watched the video when it released

[lucid robin]

do yall also have a 30 second slowmode btw? cause this is annoying as hell

yeah, the video def needs some tweaking in some ways, it isnt perfect. but it's better than what we have rn, is it not?

[junior nymph]

we all have 30 second slow mode, and I dont think its better, it would just lead to the same issue. its just allos do stuff differently, you dont get a second shot at life if the allos have two braincells, they will just do their normal big attacks aka clawswipe and before you know it you bleed out

[lucid robin]

you still have more of a chance than you do right now. also, a pack of allos should be stronger than a solo allo

also, most packs are uncoordinated as hell, and therefore do not have the aforementioned 2 braincells

[junior nymph]

no you dont cimpact can explain as he is better with numbers than I am, also im making some lunch

[modern pollen]

Even a solo allo could effectively 1 shot the teno with their idea, you knock it down which does 800 dmg then line up for some head shots and with allos bite speed you just dps the teno to death

[lucid robin]

well then tweak the damage, lower it. but the numbers arent really the point here, the mechanics are

at the very least, his idea would be more interesting than just an animation loop that insta kills the prey. everyone hates it

[modern pollen]

Even then they still want the teno to bleed out from that 1 attack so now it does no damage but it’s a bleed nuke and we learnt that nobody likes that with how allos claw swipe used to be

[little oyster]

@ruby terrace
#general-feedback message
This isn't a half bad idea, but I recommend this be only for humans. If they ever get developed and included the way they're supposed to. If the game lasts long enough to actually get to the horror aspect instead of being an arena fighter like it is now, imagine the neuro strains being the only dino able to trick humans with prox chat.

[eager hearth]

Humans with short wave radios would be funny, or being able to communicate long range at the human outposts, when the devs do finally get to revamping them.

Like humans being able to mess with the equipment there would be pretty neat.

[urban flax]

@coarse spruce I actually think many movement states should give CC resistance/vulnerability

Like sprinting could reduce CC resistance by 25%, being airborne (for any reason) should reduce it by 50/75% (so if you get hit by a CCing attack mid-jump it's basically a guaranteed knockdown)

Also I would love if CC could be localized just like damage

[coarse spruce]

I don't wholly disagree but I doubt it would fly with most players

[urban flax]

Just say it would increase the horror aspect or realism

Get 100+ upvotes ez

[analog sentinel]

i do absolutely understand the critique about the insane amount of bleed actually, and a pack of allos being able to take advantage of a stunned target, but imo its much better than what we have currently. at least there's some element of interaction and input on both sides rather than a right click. for an animal thats multiple times larger than yourself, it deserves it if it can catch you. like rex. but if you can feasibly fight back, i see deepy's idea being much more satisfying

[junior nymph]

instead of right click, its now left click spam, seems fun

[analog sentinel]

allo's a bit of both at the moment to be fair

i'd prefer bite spamming to having no input over watching my dinosaur die. at least it doesn't completely interrupt the flow of combat

i think allo's bite speed is a different issue

[hot crypt]

Awe come on guys

[blissful atlas]

i could see it being modded in. LOL

[analog sentinel]

same here

[signal geode]

secret strats

[icy lion]

@tepid shell Disable foliage physics in the Gameplay settings

[tepid shell]

okay let me try that

oh my gosh it worked, thank you so much!!

[blissful atlas]

@limber dragon the "prime missions" you're describing didn't come from the devs themselves. it's from people doing their best-guesses. prime isn't meant to be guaranteed.

(on a side note, if you log out while growing that may effect your 'prime progress'.)

[frank ice]

https://youtu.be/gmLmq2HovX4?si=NiT285T46c8wi9o9

love the whited out silhouette models used for examples, unsure how feasable it all is in the long run but its all a good idea honestly.

[modern pollen]

With the way they want it to work the allo could dps the teno down before it gets up after the initial ambush

[frozen heron]

@flint laurel I'll read all that when it's not copy pasted chatgpt

[flint laurel]

who said it was, im very capible of making this myself.

[frozen heron]

Yeah this is just bait

[flint laurel]

sounds like you you have a predetermined notion that everything is ai.

[warped fog]

just checked it, only 30% score, which is actually pretty low and means it's very likely human written

[frozen heron]

You don't use any of the language used in your responses to me compared to your feedback.
There is no capitalization or punctuation.
Not to mention the blatant em dashes and "this isn't x, it's x"

[frozen heron]

AI text checkers are unreliable and quite frankly bogus. I put a passage of text from the Frankenstein book and it labeled it as 100% AI.
I do not recommend using them

[flint laurel]

What and you don't use Grammarly? i made that in a note pad.

[frozen heron]

I'm not even gonna try man, come back when your post isn't regurgitated slop

[flint laurel]

the things i stated are none the less true and are issues and the only inelegant thing you could say was oh look ai

[warped fog]

you got a bad checker then, AI checkers are more reliable than any human assumption

[frozen heron]

They quite literally harm real students in school and college because their professors and teachers use exclusively AI checkers to clear homework of AI use. And then they get emails about how their work is 90% AI when it was completely written by themselves.
Overtime as a human being you will learn to pick up signs or oddities in text that are vaguely robotic or too formal. It's best to use your own brain

[warped fog]

those are false positives, exactly what you're doing.

[frozen heron]

I'm firm that it's not a false positive. If you compared their responses to me to what they posted in feedback, it's all too clear.
I don't know anyone who turns off the majority of their brain just to talk to people right after posting something with 100% correct grammar and punctuation. They didn't even spell a word right in here
I would rather a guy come in with their broken english and post feedback with their own words, it comes off a lot more genuine.
The only exception is if english is not a language they know, really.

[flint laurel]

Look, I’m gonna be straight with you.

These checkers aren’t some flawless authority. They’re tools, and like any tool, they can be wrong depending on how they’re used and interpreted. If you lean on them like they’re absolute truth, you’re already going to get bad conclusions.

At the end of the day, it comes down to the person using the machine. A system is only as good as the judgment of the user behind it. That’s why two different people can run the same text and get completely different “results” depending on assumptions, thresholds, and bias in how they read it.

Also, saying AI is more reliable than human assumption doesn’t automatically make it true in practice. Humans still have context, intent, and nuance things these detectors regularly miss. That’s why false positives happen, especially with formal or structured writing.

So yeah don’t treat it like a final verdict. It’s one input, not the answer.

[frozen heron]

Here we go again

Not even going to acknowledge that.
Anyways, I've said what I said

[flint laurel]

You have obviously got your own opinion congrats on that much.

[frozen heron]

👍 Good day

[warped fog]

wait you're telling me people sometimes write differently when making a serious feedback to the devs compared to someone personally insulting them by calling their work AI???? no way!

I'm not saying it absolutely isn't AI. I'm calling you out for assuming it 100% is.

Take a breath -- everything is fine. And honestly? Vibes ❤️

That last part was made by AI, could you tell? yes or no

[flint laurel]

oh yea no totally, i used Grammarly.

[frozen heron]

Oh i see the problem

Grammarly incorporates AI into their stuff now
That is most likely why you come off as a complete robot when trying to be formal

[flint laurel]

you forgot the .

[frozen heron]

And you forgot to capitalize the beginning of your own sentences twice. That wasn't my point if you read it at all

But yeah Grammarly just uses AI. I'm not surprised anymore

[flint laurel]

hmm oh i wasn't aware that i should care about your's lol mb.

[warped fog]

oh in that case yea there was AI involved xd

still disagree with the guy who was 100% confident instead of just being suspicious tho

[frozen heron]

I'll repeat my point from earlier

Overtime as a human being you will learn to pick up signs or oddities in text that are vaguely robotic or too formal.
Everyone's been watching AI develop and get more complex in language over the past 3 years, but it still retains the qualities of what make it sound like an LLM but not a human being. I like to read a lot, and at this point I feel I can recognize differences pretty easily.
I'm not going to ever study someone's college paper or a peer review and say "this is AI" though, because those will obviously require formal and dedicated punctuation that AI frequently copies from and regurgitates itself.
But when it comes to the average person, it's easy to tell.

[flint laurel]

its kind of like trying to convince someone who chooses to be blind, i am going to be professional in a feedback that would be seen by the devs, he automatically assumes it was written by ai without giving any secondary thought, to confuse professionalism with AI is a human error.

[frozen heron]

That's just how it is for me personally, but atp it's agree to disagree

[blissful atlas]

[robust gulch]

Jump up to here to skip the random squabble over GenAI

[blissful atlas]

ah.

[robust gulch]

#general-feedback message

Starvation should still kill you but yea, it would be cool if it started with deducting weight, then creeping into full death by health loss.

[little oyster]

You and I could get along very well. We both use logic and have the same stance on this subject.
-# Except I used em dashes in my writing back before LLMs were being programmed, help...

[signal geode]

#general-feedback message
So much allo hate😭

[junior nymph]

@urban bear its not that great if you think about it in different scenarios than he said

also, if you do knockdown something the other allos instead of doing their big bite can just clawswipe or bite and it will just kill the animal

[urban bear]

way better then what we got now, makes players actually work for kills that should not be free

the 2 stage thing and the allo latch actually requring player input rather then being an omni pounce is far better

also nothing wrong with someone getting knocked down and killed. it happens all the time with herbivores vs carnivores

[urban flax]

I'm not watching the video because Discord doesn't have an adblocker included, can I please have a quick rundown of what the video says ?

[junior nymph]

greatnorth can, I kinda forgot all I remember was it was doing a whole new system just for allo pretty much where you have to copy someones movements otherwise you dismount, and if you stay on for long enough you get a meattear, also if its something the size of a teno you just knock it down and do big damage and bleed, which kinda is dumb because 2 other allos could literally just bite the teno to death while it gets up

I feel people just dont like allo pouncing because they dont know what grapple literally meant

[urban flax]

Wasn't that suggested many times already ?

Do people just give it more credit now because there's a clickbait video about it ?

[junior nymph]

dunno

[little oyster]

Out of the entire meat of that post detailing the critical problems of a mechanic everyone is beginning to exploit and make completely obsolete, your one takeaway is the single stale sentence pertaining to allos? lol

[storm aurora]

@vital current you cant just say "carno cheating at westrail" theres like 20 different servers bro 😭

[signal geode]

Dont disrespect my boy again

[minor sentinel]

@iron apex uh, what?

[junior nymph]

@storm aurora we have seen the new grass texture, it looks nice

[minor sentinel]

what does it look like?

[little oyster]

Tell you what, I'll keep allows name out of my mouth when the devs decide to give it gameplay that's not just pin-to-win or "rapid fire bite spam till it bleeds out."
But that's not what the feedback was about. The entire post was about pouncing in general being broken. Allo was included in my post because it involves no strategy due to its weight class, whereas other players have begun developing strategies around the smaller tiers carnivores that actually need pounce to hunt, and those dinos are being forced unfairly into obsolescence because of a development issue.

[junior nymph]

low quality but

[storm aurora]

🙏 thank god

[iron apex]

Apparently so. No wonder each update brings new bugs

[minor sentinel]

no like I don't know what it means

[minor sentinel]

oh nice

[little oyster]

Wow, that does look nice...

[iron apex]

It means devs have copied code from one migration zone to another without testing. That is why some migration zones dont register prime conditions

[urban flax]

Wait how can they even look into the game's code

That's hacking

[minor sentinel]

oh, damn, that's why people can't get prime. Is that why the MZ is at delta all the time too?

[iron apex]

Yes, some zones dont register

[little oyster]

I'm not alone in wishing the devs would just address the existing problems with the foundation instead of just throwing more dinosaurs at the players... I want to pounce properly. I want to be able to actually see where I'm going. I want to grow a fresh spawn without having to cross the entire map looking for food that won't just outrun me every time I come within a hundred meters of it from any direction.

[iron apex]

Yes, more attention or ressources need to go into code

[junior nymph]

no, thats just untrue, its more of the fact that it needs to be active is the issue active rn is highlands, west rail and delta

because migrations are bugged yes, but what you said there isnt true

[minor sentinel]

I mean, like their's only 3 coder I think

[junior nymph]

yes, true, and the owner of nerf is still in this discord

[little oyster]

Wait, is it specifically those zones that need to be active to count? Or do any of them need to be active? Last I heard, someone here kept insinuating I was a moron for not knowing pz's and mz's didn't need to be active to count toward progression and you could just go through any of them at any time for them to count if you had their locations memorized.

[junior nymph]

any need to be active, as in someone on the server needs to have that zone on their compass

[little oyster]

Hmm... Interesting. This seems only slightly more complex than I initially thought it was...

Either way, I hope the zones get fixed soon. It seems they've found the problem, but there's no telling how long it will take to correct it.
Even then, just getting to all the proper zones before 75% on smaller tiers is a rather stressful race. Eldering requirements in general need to be addressed from tier to tier, and maybe fixing herbi diets will also help in player diversity so I can actually see what an elder herbi looks like for once. I don't think I've ever seen one... Lots of rexes, though. Lots and lots and lots of elder rexes...

[junior nymph]

I do too, especially with mainbranch on the horizon

[little oyster]

I had to get out of HT and its hackers for my own sanity... Not like pointing out the gammy AI and desync issues have worked in the last several months anyway. lol The flying fish have been around for so long, other survival game communities poke fun at their "Isle fish" problem when it happens to them for a couple days before they fix it. lol I'm only ever on main branch now, and it's... Still busted. lol

[junior nymph]

mainbranch btw in my context means where evrima becomes the none branch and we just call it the isle now instead of evrima, basically making legacy the optional branch and evrima the branch when you download the game

[little oyster]

Yeah, I understood that.

[blissful atlas]

@iron apex
#server-hosting message

[iron apex]

Cheers !

[cursive crane]

#general-feedback message

about this feedback I posted, I'm seeing a few people voting against it, and I want to understand why, since a deploy of it would be beneficial to everyone.

[icy lion]

You're basically just describing hordetest. The devs don't want to release completely unfinished animals into evrima

They also don't care about generating/sustaining hype, they're focusing on making the game

You'll notice a total lack of advertising for the game, half of this community doesn't even know there's physical merch

[tacit shoal]

In my opinion, achieving Prime status on a Ptera is very difficult. More difficult than with other dinosaurs. You don't get information about the sanctuary at the start. Later, you have to fly most of the map to find the two migration zones and the four patrol zones. I love flying and playing this dinosaur because I get so much pleasure from it. But it's very difficult to actually do anything with it. Maybe it should be made a little easier? Or give the Ptera more time, which has about an hour to reach full maturity.

[raw hedge]

I’ve been able to get it each time no problem each time. Well, you’re running into is probably more so a stamina issue because of how long it takes to get from zone to zone.
What I recommend is the second you spawn in to start spearfishing at the edge of the water to get a fish. You don’t have to hit the sanctuary right off
Once you have a fish, eat a little bit, then slow slowly fly and glide towards Delta spearfishing as you need to.
Once you get to the Delta bridge, you can fly over into sanctuary briefly and then head back into Delta and try to snap a chicken.
Then fly to the end of Delta and head east along the beach until you find a turtle and just keep pecking at it and there’s your full diet. There are several petrol zones from water access to Delta, and you can even fly along the coast towards East Lake and the container beach and you’ll hit all the patrol zones you need

[tacit shoal]

Apparently I've been unlucky with patrol zones and turtles spawning. I'll keep trying. But I still think it's more difficult here than with other dinosaurs, which have significantly more time.

[stuck estuary]

LOVELY THAT YOU CANT JOIN SERVERS

[blissful atlas]

are the ones you're trying to join full or almost full?

[stuck estuary]

no its always you lost connection to the host and full even if it isnt full

[blissful atlas]

like 100/115 (assuming you're playing on officials)?
sometimes you get that error because the server is actually full but doesn't display it, or there are too many people trying to join at once.
try another server or even a low pop unofficial to make sure it isnt just the one server you're trying to join.

[proud pivot]

Im just saying Deino food sources need buffed especially if you're gonna keep it at a 115 on an official server and there are no other aquatic animals played by humans. Like good luck, getting prime as a deino going to a sanctuary on land as a juvenile not getting
Infertile, at all from not getting enough food and growing two prime size.

[urban bear]

Its not that I dont like Allo pounce, its just way to oppressive in a lot of situations and I think the player mirroring your movement while latched adds a skill aspect. And again a player being knocked down and lit up is no different to them being group pinned. Need something to make it a little different from Omni.

[digital sparrow]

That’s been my issue with the Allo Pin: it’s a poorly disguised pounce. The Allo should have gotten a slash ability that makes use of its arms.

I would like to see more aquatic species in general, especially in the very dead coastal areas and swamps. I also want to see ant and termite colonies.

[dusky canyon]

should someone tell him.

[digital sparrow]

wait, it does?!

[dusky canyon]

yea they have a slash that does heavy bleed,

[digital sparrow]

[dusky canyon]

its just that people are simple creatures and will take the road of least resistance and pin is that way.

[wintry cipher]

Psure thats the hold rmb?

[digital sparrow]

I definitely knew that… lmao

I guess the pin just looks stupid and is really cheap

[wintry cipher]

Just slap those feet on the ground, nuke pounces damage, and prevent allo from slot swapping, and itll be a useful tool to slow stuff for packmates, and less so for just....invalidating things imo

[digital sparrow]

Yeah, right now it’s just a bigger Omni

[wintry cipher]

Mhm. Hopefully HT will address that. Pin has become the new legacy tailriding

[dusky canyon]

Pounce for omni has been broken for like years, I wouldnt hold your breath on it getting fixed any time soon.

[digital sparrow]

Uuuuuggghhhh that brought back some bad memories lol

[dusky canyon]

and when i say broken, I mean functionally/mechanically broken.

[digital sparrow]

Legacy fights are like really angry toddlers running around

[wintry cipher]

Oh no im aware. I bet on allo being broken because of pounce and now theyll have to fix it because its affecting allo

[wintry cipher]

LMAO that mental image 😂

Crossed fingers this HT fixes more than it breaks tho it feels like the last 3 have only added problems

[broken ledge]

i noticed a lot of people vote against this and im curious why

[raw hedge]

Meta gaming, and it lets people know what is on a server before they play

[little oyster]

#general-feedback message
@raw hedge
Hello, good timezone, I just woke up so forgive me if my wording is stale, but I would like to clarify whether or not you just replied "skill issue" to my complaint shared by many others with experience about a broken mechanic and attempted to define an extremely common server-side issue like I was five...

[marsh ravine]

make me part of dev team ill help for free dm me devs forreal

[broken ledge]

so if that information just wasn't visible, would it be an otherwise positive inclusion?

or maybe if you saw the single least picked dino on the server?

[raw hedge]

Nope, not saying skill issue.
A lot of people just assume that, “because it hit on my screen, I should be safe”
And unfortunately not a lot of people realize that most Troodon and Omni deaths are due to that desync and ping difference.
Because this game registers a lot client side, the server has to make adjustments after both players have sent an input, and unfortunately it can’t just give pounce priority all the time.
I’d recommend imagining that your body is “behind you” by a body length, and that your opponent is “ahead by one”
Or that your ping is doubled.
By waiting for certain attacks, changing when you pounce, (being less predictable, and not just pounce ing straight in or running at something to pounce), and learning to bait it’ll help you not die to your own pounces.

It may have sounded like I was talking down about it but it wasn’t the goal, it’s just that once you play with desync and ping difference in mind you’ll find a lot more success. And your complaint isn’t just yours, a lot of people just assume that pounce is broken cause desync is just that wild in this game.

[raw hedge]

I still think not.
The least played Dino’s are hypsi, dryo, galli, etc
Usually the smalll tiers and herbivores which already grow faster than most of their carnivore counterparts. There’s no need to give a grow boost to people or anything like that when the least played stuff is the “non PvP viable” Dino’s.
Adding more diversity sounds great, but you can’t really force it much.
The community just has to make the decisions themselves, or devs have to “buff” or increase options for the lesser played things.
Dryo burrowing
Hypsi nests and climbing changes
Galli hitboxes
Pt stamina and fly time etc

[little oyster]

Much better conveyed here in this channel than in the feedback channel... But still completely misses the mark that the players shouldn't have to overcompensate for a game's very obvious problem. No one should be forced to become a "guru" at any one character in a game just to get its most basic ability to function properly in normal gameplay. This is a whole lot like telling a guy with a broken leg that he just needs to master walking a very specific way in order to deal with it instead of just... Fixing the leg. Guy should be able to walk normally with a normal leg, not adjust his whole system to make up for not fixing it.

Thusfar, all the examples I've seen have completely normal ping, and my ping is often better than the examples, and I end up seeing the same horrid desync. Specifically on this game. Not any other games I play that have grab or latch functions, nothing that demands I aim in a specific direction ahead or behind a character, no random teleportations or displacements when I interact, nothing. It is just this game in my library, and my ping is great.

The few times I've played games that encountered this issue received the reports, acknowledged them, remained transparent and decent about it while working on it, and had it fixed within a few weeks of whatever caused the issue.

The fact that this has been an issue for as long as it has is where the general frustration is coming from.

[frozen heron]

@native shore I honestly think it's currently fine personally tbh, never had issues with it
Not saying your preference is invalid but i don't think i've seen a single other person complain about it
I'd say to just make it a toggle in settings instead of having it outright removed

[native shore]

yeah, well that's why I said either remove or make it an option. Personally I've been having issues with it since ages, not really catastrophic but don't see why is it set to this way.

[frozen heron]

You could edit the suggestion to remove the remove it part? I'd upvote it if that was done

Just having it as a toggle is best of both worlds whenever devs get to it

[native shore]

there you go

[frozen heron]

👍

[frozen heron]

Wait it's still there lol

[wooden agate]

still remember my carno accidentally tap shifting off a 100 foot ledge

oh ill just run forward a little, i thought

oh no the ground is approaching rapidly, i thought

[frozen heron]

I'd hate to have it gone because i get tired of holding shift+w
At least i only have to hold w

[raw hedge]

But the problem is, you can’t just assume you’ll be able to play better because your ping is lower. If they make it so that anybody with a lower pain has advantage, it’s going to cut off a lot of people in different areas from being able to play the game.
I didn’t become a “guru” to be able to play Troodon, as the desync issue affects everyone not just pouncers.
It’s just more obvious for those of us that play Raptor or Troodon.
Since we are a 1-2 tap at most, we get hit the hardest with server desync.
But I do agree that server performance and registration should be updated and fixed to help. And they are vocal about working on that as well. It’s just a small team that can’t physically get to all the problems at once. When we get this next HT, a lot should get better imo.
And to bring up ping again,
It’s not just YOUR ping that matters. If someone is playing from farther away, then they get shafted just because your ping is better.
In some ways, saying “play better” does mean having to compensate for the games issues, until they get better servers.
I have few issues with lag etc on officials, occasionally dealing with rubber banding, but I find ways to make it work. And that’s because I’ve played games with far worse servers than the isle lol, where I had to fitfo to play what I wanted.
But that’s why your feedback on “pounce is mechanically broken” is just not really true.
The mechanic works fine, it’s just how the server consolidates your actions AND the other players that is the issue. And like I said, I hope. That is fixed soon.

[native shore]

i forgot i put it there twice, now its good

[raw hedge]

Wouldn’t be an issue if larger Dino’s had acceleration and deceleration.
If you didn’t hit top speed instantly it wouldn’t be as common to tap sprint and accidentally send it off a cliff

[tacit shoal]

Would be easier for PD if you fix turtle spawn.

[topaz crane]

@broken fieldPlease us this channel to discuss topics found in #general-feedback

[broken field]

i can reply to any but k

ill find my way around bud dont you worry about it 🙂

[rare moss]

been on a new crock for 35 min cant find one fish this is a joke

[sharp night]

I really enjoy how the cera whips around a corpse to drop organs, can that be done in other large species carnivores

[icy lion]

Every carnivore can thrash corpses

[lunar needle]

guys how can i report a bug ?

[icy lion]

#🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[stable cypress]

2 days ago I lost a rex prime without a fight, I was fine with food and water, and within a few seconds my life drops to 0 and I die, now the same thing happened, rex prime, I was fine with everything, and I die in the exact same way, I want to know why... The first time it happened on the ue4 server now it happened in eu10 (both official), can you know if it is always and only about cheaters or is there something else???

[blissful atlas]

if you die suddenly with no one around, that sounds like a cheater. when that happens you can report it in #evrima-eu you write your in game name, what server you were on, the species of the cheater and what you suspect the cheat was, then tag the OfficialServerAdmin role. (if its an invisible cheater obviously you dont need to guess the species)

[lone nest]

To #general-feedback message I think optimization will happen, though I think that would be a focus once the game reaches the end of development. So hopefully they'll get to that once they have things fleshed out more.

#general-feedback message Definitely would be cool to have more edible options.

[stable cypress]

I wrote about the incident on the Evrima eu channel, but... I didn't get any direct response from them.

[icy lion]

Check the pinned messages in #evrima-eu to see how to report hackers

[stable cypress]

It's all very confusing as a system...

[icy lion]

You tag the official server admin role with the server you're on, the species of the hacker, and the time of the incident if you know it

[stable cypress]

ok me try

[indigo gulch]

#general-feedback message I genuinely don’t understand why people have issues with troodon being in sanctuary. It can easily lose vs those juvis, not to mention the trees makes it harder to pounce.

[lone nest]

#general-feedback message They could even do preferred terrain where a dino moves better or worse in certain areas? Overall you make a good point.

[digital sparrow]

More of a question that a suggestion but: will adult sauropods be able to knock down trees?

[urban flax]

Most likely
Tree destruction is a planned feature

[digital sparrow]

Oh sweet, that would really make for a cool new aspect of gameplay

[raw hedge]

Cause they view it as “too easy” or one sided.
Even though it’s ironically the only time the odds really favor the Troodon lol
But I generally hate living in sanctuary personally, though I know it’s also a decent way to cull the overall apex population and encourage people to try for prime without sanctuary

[delicate wadi]

I figure the whole point of allowing troos to stay is risk-reward. It's mad easy to take out the average troo when playing agile animals like pachy, I usually take out 3-5 troos per sanc trip at peak population hours, assuming I'm not a hypsi/dryo/etc.

[desert arch]

Sanctuary camping troodons on their way to spend an hour waiting inside the sanctuary on 20fps, killing only things they can pin, only to die in the first actual fight they get into:

[delicate wadi]

xP

But yeah I feel like it being "one-sided" is an issue of situational awareness/skill. If I am herbi (usually am) and I hear lots of troos camping, then I will crouch and sneak into the sanc area, stay for ~5-10sec to make sure it counts, then book it without stopping for mushrooms, since most campers won't bother to follow you far

Sometimes they get you anyway, especially if lots of adult troos camping, but one should generally assume that sancs are crawling with everything that wants to kill you regardless

[modern pollen]

@full pewter just crouch

[fossil violet]

troodons do like 400 dmg in 4 pounces, that’s enough to kill anything in sanc

im not against it but a troodon can take down 3tons in 10minutes, it’s one of those animals that can actually punch way above its weight and ppl still choose baby hunting instead

[frozen heron]

@iron jay That video is funny ash lmao

[full pewter]

I know that, I posted after I bled out, I wanted to sit, but I knew the allos would hear me💀

[raw hedge]

That’s not entirely true tho.
Troodon only deals 100 dmg per pounce when something stage 3
4 pounces including getting stage 3 is only ~236…

And they chose to baby hunt cause it’s easy. Like everyone else when they play they choose easy fights over hard ones usually

Most don’t understand nor can replicate the big hunts some of us do usually

[desert arch]

If the target is already stage 3 yes, otherwise no.
A stage 0 pounce is ~35 damage
A stage 1 pounce is ~45 damage
A stage 2 pounce is ~60 damage
And finally a stage 3 pounce is the 100 damage.

But the fact you can kill most babies in 4-5 pounces is true

[raw hedge]

It’s still 4-5 hits when they have to hit you 2-4 lol.
It’s a “fair fight” in most cases

[desert arch]

Eh depends
Ive died to a juvi stego before because I was careless, but in no world I can see myself dying to a small dibble, trike or even a rex

[raw hedge]

That’s what I don’t really get either, Troodon is “too good” in some cases to people, yet no one plays it because they think it’s only good for sanctuary camping… cause they can’t go out and kill big game cause they assume it takes a minimum of 15 minutes.

[raw hedge]

Me too tbh lol.
Allo is more dangerous tbh, and just cause the bleed amount is wild.

[desert arch]

Yeah 2 bites even from a seemingly fresh spawn and youre dead meat

[raw hedge]

But still.
Juvies can fight back. Not like it’s always insta death.
Troodon has a hard time in most matchups otherwise lmao.
And it’s ok for sanctuaries to be “unsafe” imo
Cause it only protects you from stuff you can’t fight back against b

[desert arch]

An interesting compromise I tought of ages ago would be to have a maximum limit of how many troodons are allowed into a sanctuary at a given time. So lets say that limit would be half of the original pack size, so 5. If there are less than 5 50+% troodons in the sanctuary, the bees wont attack, but as soon as a 6th one appears, theyll all get stung collectively till they relocate or kill the extra.

Because lets be honest 10 elder troodons camping a sanctuary is indeed horrific and is a death sentence no matter what you are

[raw hedge]

Just don’t go to sanctuary would be my personal rebuttal.
I get it but the whole reason anyone goes to sanctuary is for the prime conditions. And it’s 100% doable without going into sanctuary as any Dino tbh
Just risk early life in Sanctuary or travel more and risk yourself there.
This game is so heavily metagamed around prime imo that people seem to forget survival is never guaranteed in this game

If 10 elder Troos are camping sanc, then I think they are just scared to actually play the game.
Not meaning for it to sound toxic, but the game is about the thrill about overcoming risk and death. People kinda should get comfortable with failure to some degree

Troo grows so fast it’s a legit waste to not entomb.

[desert arch]

Sadly you MUST visit the sanctuary if you want to get prime as most species, unless you nest, or were nested in yourself, both of which happen quite rarely especially if youre playing something unpopular like maia. :/

[raw hedge]

Not really, you just have to travel more.
I’ve gotten prime Herrera, Raptor, etc without ever going to sanc.
It’s a checklist of total tasks, visit the right areas overall and you’re set.

[desert arch]

How? You need 5 requirements filled, without the sanctuary youll only ever get 4 done on your own

Unless you visit one of the buggy spots that seems to automatically trigger prime

[raw hedge]

If you don’t hit sanc, then go to mzs and pzs. They just have to be “active” as in there’s herbi food there. And they are in your “normal biome”

[desert arch]

Yeah I know that

[raw hedge]

The full list is iirc:
never infertile(free as long as you keep some diet at all times)
No spasms ( for herbivores I don’t think it applies but also free)
Perfect diet at some point
Sanctuary,
1 MZ
2 PZs
2 total MZs
4 total pzs, which both are additional checkmarks

So if you don’t do sanc,
Never infertile,
never spasms,
perf diet at some point,
1 mz,
2 pzs.
If you’re a herbi then you also need another mz, or 2 more pzs
And that’s not counting getting nested in or nesting.

[modern pollen]

Ah rip

[raw hedge]

Wasn’t trying to say you don’t know that lol, my b
But prime REALLY isn’t hard.
Just play the core gameplay loop of travel and diet maintenance and they come naturally tbh
On the HT I got prime “accidentally” almost each time I played something, before I even knew there was a list cause I didn’t even know frails were a thing early on lol

Just gotta risk it for the biscuit and not sit in bushes all the time. Most players do that to avoid conflict before they are “capable”.

[desert arch]

Not gonna argue this, but Ill say Ive had different experiences. Especcialy because Ive never gotten progress towards prime for only hitting 2 patrols or just 1 migration. (Specifically did that as an omni once to try and see, didnt get prime)

But since theres no concrete list, for all we know we both could be wrong. 🤷‍♂️

[raw hedge]

100% agree.
The list that was datamined imo has made it a lot harder to get prime cause it weirdly focuses players attention to specific tasks.
I think it does depend on playable, diet types and where you get them, and maybe even where you drink, ie multiple water sources.
I think biome and natural habitat matters a lot too.

The ONLY thing I know is that traveling more than needed helped me lol. But I also like to stick to areas the Dino “should” be in (like in the carnivore diet list it says where certain creatures can be found etc)

[wooden agate]

it really isn't that complicated

we've already seen newer datamined elder requirements. theres a reason the old one works relatively well when you factor in MZ/PZ having to be active for someone on the server

[desert arch]

Im not too concerned about ever getting a concrete list, Im happy with my basically guaranteed elder status as a troodon no matter what.😄

Besides, many unofficials have a prime checker now, which is quite nice and a big QoL

[raw hedge]

Meh, I’d prefer if people played the game instead of metagaming it personally lmao.
They sucked the fun outta discovering it cause people want a “guarantee” for prime.
Even though entombing as a frail still gets you more buffs next life, they choose to let fall damage or Poseidon take them lmfao

[wooden agate]

i would also rather die to fall damage than deal with the pretty bad balance of frails right now

the buffs for the future don't mean much to me when the active gameplay is rough

[raw hedge]

Meh, I don’t think they are that bad. At least for what I play.
You just need to change playstyle.
Troodon prime is way different from FG, just cause of how the pounce changes.
Frail gets the pounce buff too, but is just way slower so you can’t play out in the open.
A lot of the playables are like that, and elders do get better at certain things regardless of prime or frail.
Swim speed, trot speed, wading speed etc

[frozen heron]

Players will optimize the fun out of a game

[toxic wren]

If prime elders had some kind of mobility disadvantage due to their size increase vs adults or frails, any one of the following:

Less speed, less stamina, less stamina regen, less turn rate, or even just less acceleration

People might be incentivized to still try and survive to 100% on frail to entomb, even if their PvP ability is crippled.

Currently it’s “Oh I got frail, I’m both weaker and can’t escape from prime, time to off myself”

But if Frails had some kind of advantage over Primes in exclusively one aspect of mobility, then they’d at least be a gamble worth taking for entombing.

Mobility would go like this: Adult > Frail > Prime

So you wouldn’t* have Prime Rexes auto-catching frail and adult rexes

I’d still be down for primes being faster than frails, just make them have less stamina or something so there’s an option to try and escape enemies that are far more powerful in combat than you.

[warped fog]

Note: Frails also get 1 less mutation that can't be gained back in any way, shape or form. All you can do is replace all of the 3 mutations 4 entombs later. I'd rather die and regrow a perfect dino than have one with a single less mutation as stupid as that sounds

[frozen heron]

I'd argue no mobility disadvantage period honestly.
Things should either be weak or strong with no speed modifications. Speed skews balance way too hard and it gets annoying to deal with

It's really the only thing wrong with the elder system imo

[toxic wren]

I think speed differences can be acceptable, they’re just hard to balance. And right now they’re not even close to balanced.

Prime rex just gets bigger and faster, and can run down a lot of things over a long distance while retaining exceptional mobility in all of its alt attacks, turn speed, and trot speed.

If it got faster, but drastically got worse at turning, that could still be okay. So slower creatures like dibble could actually juke it if they got ambushed.

If they’re not willing to balance it though, I think removing the speed differences would be the simpler solution.

[warped fog]

I don't know if this is true but according to a graph I saw, 100% deino outran 88% deino LMAOOO

[fossil violet]

yea i killed a prime allo solo couple weeks back

only took 13minutes

so i just cant stand finding troodons in the wild that refuse to leave sanc

[raw hedge]

Rex is broken w how prime works. And yea, thats true.
Personally, Im ok with Primes getting some buffs, but the general weight increases are a bit much.
I'd prefer if everything got the "Troodon treatment"
Where their key feature is buffed in some way, they don't lose too much of their top speed as a prime, and actually have a fun playstyle you can only get at 100%.

[raw hedge]

It is rough man.
So many people hold themselves back by just being afraid of death.
I also LOATHE people that don't try to hunt/fight/move unless they are almost FG, or Prime.

[fossil violet]

yea that’s why im fine with it, circle of life like yea sanc shouldn’t be free

but i think a different dino should fill that role, troodon can punch way above its weight😂😂

they should make something else the Sanctuary Demon

[raw hedge]

Meh, I think it depends on the playable.
The buffed mutations are goated regardless of 3 or 4 at the end of the day.
They help out so much, and the scaling is nice depending on what you grab

[fossil violet]

facts

i had a 10 pack of troodons kick me out the group cause i was trying to fight a trike, push comes to shove i took it down to 20% health then they finally left sanc to finish my kill …..

[raw hedge]

Dryo is the non venomous troodon for sanc lol (Except they get kicked out)
But denying Troo the sanctuary makes it harder for newer players to pick it up.
Build confidence when you're just trying it out.

[warped fog]

If velo comes out in the next 5 years it might be small enough to be a sanctuary merchant

[fossil violet]

true that true that

[raw hedge]

RIP.
I wish more people were willing to risk it. but I understand failure doesn't exactly feel good.

[fossil violet]

oh yeaaaa forgot they were adding that

[fossil violet]

risk reward to me 😂😂 only a 45 minute growth, im LeeroyJenkins in the field

i could understand not wanting to fight the more agile animals but trike can’t even do much in that situation, that’s free fun tbh

[raw hedge]

I don’t think sanctuary will ever be “safe”
It’s just a place for bb things to go.
And imo, there should be a need to stay there for a while if you’re gonna go there at all. Food, prime idec. But so many people just tap it and leave tbh

[raw hedge]

Yup. Not to mention how rewarding that big hunt feels at the end of the day!

[fossil violet]

hopefully the lizard snail and smaller ai will be sanctuary things

cause i myself am a sanc tapper, recently i don’t even go to sanc until im already sub since the requirement is bugged 💀

[fossil violet]

best feeling

they go from ignoring u to getting angry to giving up 🤣

[warped fog]

I have a 16 mut 100% omni at highlands sanctuary, I never need to go in it, I just kill any juves outside it. I have both water mutations so I never need to leave, and there's a spot where you need to jump to get to, and has a ceiling so herras can't kill anything in it.

Making sanctuary mortality rates skyrocket

[fossil violet]

yea going sanc as a baby carnivore isn’t even worth it anymore, it’s either rotted bodies or something hunting u

[raw hedge]

Man, that feels like almost a waste to spend on juvies lmao.
I can’t do that personally, I’d be tryna solo a stego or Rex lmao 🤣
That thing would be a MONSTER to run with a small pack of similar raptors man. But it’s pounce is just so, cheesy rn
I just wish raptor was a bleeder more than a damager with its pounce 🙁
I usually never make it to several entombments anymore lmao.
I send it too hard and early.
But when I do get a 12-16 mut troo, it’s in one night and I’m on a roll lmao.

[fossil violet]

it’s toooo unrealistic

the entire point of making dinosaurs grow old is so they can get kicked out the territory like in real life

an old lion dies of hunger cause it can’t keep up anymore, in isle the older dinos just kill all the younger versions

ain’t no way in hell a 70 year old human beating a 40 year old

but that also correlates to how easy and how many primes there are

everyone doesn’t need to be prime, should every lion in the wild be the strongest?

[raw hedge]

I think that too.
What’s the point if there’s no reward in playing the “right way”, and how else do you mitigate afk growers, or bush wookies etc.
acceleration and deceleration would be a better thing to change for the game overall, rather than just raw stats imo
No one should be comfortable with being old forever. The main gameplay loop they want rn is to entomb over and over to prep for when strains start to appear imo.
Strains will require a lot of entombments imo,

[fossil violet]

exactly

each dinosaur should be carefully reworked regarding how easy/hard their prime requirements should be and how insane their stats get

truth be told if everyone wasn’t getting prime we’d see less afk bush wookies cause u wouldn’t get chased to hell & back the second u show ur face

[warped fog]

I tend to use 0/3 entomb or 1/3 entombs for riskier stuff like that, vs large prey the amount of entombs doesn't really matter besides the small congenital boost. I'm great at combat it's just I don't wanna lose so much time invested.

But 3/3 entombs? I can live comfortably terrorizing smaller dinos so why bother risking it, I do kill the occasional adult or sub that stumbles by the sanc when I can, herras, dilos, ceras etc.

I've probably wasted 5x more of other ppls time with that utah than what I invested in it and I'm still going strong lol. Very weird metric for me to use but I always think about it when I kill or die in a 1v1 'wow that juve rex was pretty big, I must've ended more time than it took to grow my dilo huh'

[raw hedge]

I think the datamined list ruined it. People don’t play the game overall for the survival experience.
Growing is too easy. If food was harder to come by or at least less abundant for ai, then we’d see more people running around, and people wouldn’t complain about not getting prime cause they think they did everything right.
It’s too easy to live and survive rn, and it makes it impossible to balance a creature anyone can grow with little effort. Let alone when elders are talked about too.
Frails should’ve been the targets of younger dinosaurs like subs etc.
but now the chance to survive frail is impossible cause of how many people can just grow in general.
If herbivores were easy to grow and carnivores struggled to grow if they were larger then balance could come into play a lot more meaningfully

[raw hedge]

Lmao, but the important part is that you enjoy the experience either entombing or staying as you are.
Every playable is different.

[fossil violet]

https://tenor.com/view/facts-lebron-lebron-james-true-nba-gif-2358803548784100453

now imagine when mass migration zones get added, it’d be nearly impossible to get frail

add that with how free rex diet is, it’s gonna look nasty

[raw hedge]

Make ai spawn less, (anything bigger than chickens and rabbits)
The plague of boars and deer is insane lmao

[fossil violet]

yup and make adaptive diets, once u get to a certain status ur diet needs to change

[raw hedge]

I also believe if something is too small, organs don’t give you benefits

Like why a prime Rex eating troo organs 🤣

[warped fog]

I do wish 3/3 entomb/16 muts weren't so nerfed at 100% old because well old age is supposed to encourage entombing, but I mean, what is there to entomb at 16 muts? XD

at that point they should still be nerfed ofc so they're not immortal but not as harshly as a 0/3 entombed dino is

[raw hedge]

Just start over for now.
I just reselect mutations personally lol
It’s just a chance to try new stuff

[warped fog]

eh I guess I just don't think that way, I wouldn't dare risk another growth and chance to not get prime (bc sometimes it just doesn't happen even if ur constantly travelling)

[shrewd ore]

@brittle kiln they eyes you made NEED to be in the game. they look 1,000% better than the originals. amazing job!

[raven sky]

What's wrong here? The clone worked fine

[limber hull]

a hallucination breaking the rules of physics? unimaginable

[raven sky]

Yeah, it's a hallucination. It should get to you no matter where you are

[junior nymph]

thats literally it being fixed lol

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

how

just walk away from the deino and obliterate the tenos

if you're 74% you're literally 1% from fullgrown adult

[urban flax]

That's what I thought
Isn't that a very easy fight for a rex ?

[limber hull]

lol yes

the tenos have no CC pressure, die in a single crush, are entirely shut down by fractures

and the deino not only sucks at fighting within its own weight class but is beaten by literally just trotting away

it's a "i am surrounded by fear and dead men" moment for the rex

[iron jay]

Still doesn't work on rocks

[frozen heron]

Genuinely that feedback is just a skill issue

[iron jay]

nothing to do with skill but ok

[frozen heron]

Not yours, the most recent one

[brittle kiln]

thanks 😔❤️

[floral niche]

Holy skill issue

Not even my rusty aah would underperform so badly

[floral niche]

Lol

[fossil stirrup]

Gastro regen

[topaz pasture]

Everytime i tune in this discord im so sad to see 80% of people posting in Feedback channels have 0 reading comprehension.
Do they know there is a seperate channel for balance feedback ?

[raw hedge]

And that’s gross lol
Hence they shouldn’t get the nutrients at least

[raw hedge]

Cause the balance feedback is usually for individual changes for stats, like buff this or nerf this
But general feedback covers “more” topics and can bring up several Dino’s to talk about relation etc.
plus the general feedback is generally viewed more often unfortunately, so even though it should be used for general ideas it gets more attention and the community uses that more

[floral niche]

Or there should be no gastro

[wintry cipher]

Or just make gastro the only way you can heal if you take it and sitting no longer works

[floral niche]

[wintry cipher]

Then its a gameplay change of a choice. If you snap your leg and lose 75% hp off a cliff have fun finding food while injured

[floral niche]

Full pvp mode. Never sitting, just killing

[wintry cipher]

Pmuch! I wouldnt mind that change personally after one experience on teno where i got hunted so often i literally could never sit and had to take it in order to keep moving to get prime

It worked. It would also balance it as a consequence imo

[floral niche]

#general-feedback message @scenic wadi what do you mean? The dinosaurs aren’t floating in a formless void. There’s a map right beneath their feet

[wintry cipher]

Theyre referring to an in game map. Also i doubt we will get one. The coords only exist for bug reports with the map itself

If those got removed vulnoa would become useless

[north patio]

.

[fossil stirrup]

oh yeah i agree

[floral niche]

That impact would have probably been like hundreds of tons of pressure

[wintry cipher]

Thats a good 3x your height of a fall yeah

Never go into a place you cant see how to get out of

[junior nymph]

@spare hare thats a bug I believe

[north patio]

yeah probably

[spare hare]

i see. thanks

[icy lion]

@surreal oyster Check the pinned messages in #evrima-eu to see how to report hackers

[icy lion]

@daring comet That is the right channel

[daring comet]

oh alright

[rich vortex]

@molten vigil But who is this Larry you speak of?

[hexed cipher]

Anyone else noticed this? Its gotten worse after the recent server fix update. #general-feedback message

[brittle kiln]

#general-feedback message 👀

[grizzled vector]

wait what's wrong with Allo having more than 9 diet items? I feel like a highschool cheerleader when I play it.

[fossil violet]

i think it’s fine if bigger animals like rex got treated the same way

[signal lava]

I 100% agree with this, it would be nice to spawn all over the place rather than the same spots- it also allows for new exploration of different areas of the map and learning new routes rather than knowing the same 5 routes between Plains, Highland, north and West access since those are the most common areas to spawn. Plus, you’d see different kinds of dinosaurs that way too instead of each area having its own population for the most part.

[fossil violet]

facts

[marble shale]

so do i, at least give ptera more spawns considering it can only spawn in water access, which makes it hard to get B and Y diet before infertility, or any diets at night for that matter. and its also generally a bad spot for ptera considering the high amount of deinos that spawn there and the general lack of food with the small schooling fish generation.

[signal lava]

Fr, there should be more spawn locations. There’s parts of the map I had no idea even existed until I explored, it would be nice to get “lost” in the game/map because that way people aren’t flocking to popular areas as much and it makes each interaction a bit more unique and interesting to see spots that weren’t that known about before.

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message @opaque inlet everyone forgets minmi... 😔

[opaque inlet]

That's not a proper sub-aquatic is it?

Like, being able to bottom walk is cool but not the same.

[wooden agate]

good ol swimmin burrowin ankylosaur

[opaque inlet]

I don't think it's a sub aquatic the way they others are though. No webbed feet or aquatic adaptions, it's just a bottom walker because of it's density.

[wooden agate]

it is literally eating underwater plants in the concept art lol

[brittle kiln]

@opaque inlet

[opaque inlet]

That one is an omnivore

[brittle kiln]

What other semi-aquatic herbivore would you suggest for the game?

I only know Deinocheirus

[marsh ravine]

isnt that in game

[opaque inlet]

I don't care too much what one it is, I just want one.

I know a few iguanadons were, hence their sleek shapes. There was a weird dino with weird teeth that was like a dino manatee too

[marsh ravine]

a few more herbs would be nice

[opaque inlet]

To be honest teno has all the sleekness necessary to be a semi aquatic- But of course it's in the iguanadon family which also has some semi-aquatic members so perhaps that's no surprise.

The concept art shows lots of semi aquatics eating tenos, too.

But honestly with deino alone tenos don't swim for fun, so I don't see why they'd make themselves accessible after the water has spinos and more.

But if you gave them some notably water mobility, and a food source there, and then just let the other things there still be stronger than them, they'd have two good reasons to risk the water. 1. To escape dangerous land things which they already do and 2. food sources

[digital sparrow]

I demand more sauropods! My heart was broken today when I learned Diplo and Apato got nixed. 🥺

[unkempt nacelle]

Took a week break since most dinos were broken and official servers wipe your assets after you play them, has any of this been fixed or should I continue to play something for the time being?

Did they atleast fix the Dilo clones yet? do they actually do dmg again?

[fossil violet]

fixed

[fossil violet]

new dilo in the upcoming hordetest

[fossil violet]

try Metta’s Den unofficials tbh, it’s the exact same as officials just without mixpacking hacking and overpacking

[unkempt nacelle]

Aye wow good news, ill have to hop on and play before the new wave of bugs hits the servers. New dilo sounds cool though what they got going on with them?

ight ill have to give them a go then

[eager hearth]

Yeah idk about that since yesterday my Herrera got wiped on US3

[fossil violet]

they made troodon and dilo venom vision darker but smoother & fixed the clones

[fossil violet]

idk how yall play officials bro😭 it’s the same result every single time

[eager hearth]

Bad taste left in my mouth from Petits kinda made me avoid unofficials tbh.

[fossil violet]

Metta’s Den

same as officials just moderated

petit’s has no ai and sweaty af with pop control

[eager hearth]

Ill need to check it out to see its population at night, since I work 1 am to 9 am, a lot of servers tend to be dead for me while I’m up lol

[fossil violet]

ah yea it’s full noon to midnight

then slowly drops each hour to 50 around 5am

[latent olive]

@scenic smelt its....its already on the list
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1301953837799706697/1302037054573514803/Quetzalcoatlus.png?ex=69e40600&is=69e2b480&hm=2fcde66df840ec81e455b08854d173e02916f06bd33f0c8a5b2a6761aca69cb4&

its literally one of the few in the upcoming playables list
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1301953837799706697/1480381271283732500/00e019213dd6eae50710ea5274b37a437bbbc443.gif?ex=69e433ff&is=69e2e27f&hm=45c9e6596808e4aeb7251e6f64bba1d5dc251db0e085262bd45e7ce57ff8712f&

[floral niche]

It’s gonna be so weak

[latent olive]

ok

[floral niche]

I will pin it with a Rex

[urban flax]

For that to happen you'd need to manage to grow a rex first

[floral niche]

True, but I wouldn’t

[bitter wren]

@wild crescent i saw your feedback about the elders and i feel like the slow down is meant to make people want to entomb and stop everyone from being a full grown

[digital sparrow]

#general-feedback message if i had to guess, it’s because whoever makes the maps usually uses the paint tool when placing assets like foliage. It’s probably why Spiro’s jungles are thicker than Brazilians. lol

[marsh ravine]

hatz will be a good playable with quetz also a micro raptor playable for body clean up ect

[wintry cipher]

Hatz isnt in the planned roster and compies and pteros are aimed to be the body cleanup crew if ceratos dont get them first. Just need to get the ai working properly.

[floral niche]

#general-feedback message such a useful ability to inflict no venom

[marsh ravine]

iknow. ijus wish to god we were able to add legit accurate dino mods with devs consent ofc

[wintry cipher]

Mods are planned so i wouldnt be surprised if one day someone could just slap the quetz rig onto a hatz as a visual option for a quick and dirty method yeah. It will be cool when its in. Just not there yet

[marsh ravine]

as a visual lol thats not the same as having a different mod

[wild crescent]

The full growns are already weaker, If people want to stay as full grown they already have enough challenges but its still their choice, the speed reduction literally makes it mandatory to entomb, and not everyone wants to regrow their whole dino. I think the increase less boteforce and the less health is more than enough to promote entombment while not forcing it.

Also, the speed change also is applied to primes, prime rex should not be faster than an adult rex thats just dumb, literally they cant fight back nor can they escape. There is also no real reason that prime rex needs a speed increase.

[digital sparrow]

I hope mods are limited, I don’t want to see a bajillion servers with ridiculous mods like PoT and BoB have.

[marsh ravine]

this is the isle and there for id like it to have actual dinos that existed as well hehe

[digital sparrow]

This too, no dragons lol

[marsh ravine]

for this type of game yeah dragons would be op as god himself lol

[floral niche]

You can play officials or those that wanna keep an atmosphere then

[digital sparrow]

I guess I just don’t see the point when other games already do that kind of stuff

[floral niche]

Actually, I don’t think so

I believe dragons would be either alright or even underpowered in this game if they were to actually grow as they should and have acceptable stats even with the fire

The map is almost entirely a jungle with dense foliage, meaning that they would have a hard time finding, let alone chasing, most things unless they just kind of catch a slow moving target in the open

[floral niche]

No other game really plays like the isle, so some people might see the appeal there

[marsh ravine]

id luv dragon in game but itll have to be balanced from beyond hell to heaven so no one cries about it.afterall the graphics,gameplay and surreal grittyness is what pulled me into The isle,

now what type of dragon is the question.

[bleak bison]

@scarlet osprey Rex already has paleo calls and it didn’t sound like the goose sounds people say it does

[scarlet osprey]

I'm just talking about how scientists said it could have been like

[jolly knoll]

what is the best server to play on?

[floral niche]

And Rex still got paleo calls

[mystic mason]

does anyone knows a way to turn off the fog? ik it was supposed to make the game more ''scary'' but now it is just irritating

and the fog is there ALL the time

[wintry cipher]

There isnt a way to turn it off no.

[scarlet osprey]

Not main

[wooden agate]

isnt it better to have both so people can choose which call they want lol

the game isnt going for paleo accuracy. the fact they added paleo calls at all is more than enough imo lol

[marsh ravine]

add spino,tyrannotitan edmont and deinocherus

[tropic pewter]

<@&933486433342222376>

[marsh ravine]

👀 spino!!!!

[merry ore]

The heretic died...

[marsh ravine]

look ready to me

[marsh ravine]

where the rest of the stomach,to slim hehe, i think its the pic angle

[icy lion]

It's because the rex model overlaps it

[marsh ravine]

ok thats was my first thought loll ty

[fossil violet]

old video but it does look like they’re going the slim underbelly route

gotta have them hydrodynamics

[marsh ravine]

nice cant wait to play spino on the isle

[distant tide]

That's a crime to have it that much larger than rex

[slow gorge]

I keep saying she too thick of a lady

[west raven]

Is anyone else noticing just a mass in rex players. I am getting so exhausted growing half way and dying to them. Majority have some cheat to see through bushes and travel in huge packs.

[marsh ravine]

trike knocks down rex from behind an stomps,pokes an hit rex until its dead in 4seconds literally. trike is simply over powerful its vastly more op than the modded one on pathoftitans

[marsh ravine]

their will continue to be mass rex groups/players until the ( we need more dinos/modded accurate dinos for players to choose) void is closed

[slow gorge]

#general-feedback message
@warm mural this was said to be under development and they showed an animation with just nose and eyes sticking out above the water

[urban flax]

That's no the reason why rex is overpopulated.

The reason is because rex is OP.

[marsh ravine]

jus not that many apex to not get burnt out on i suppose

[floral niche]

Why?

[floral niche]

False

Trike is significantly worse than Rex even

[misty sun]

skill issues

[indigo gulch]

Why are you letting a trike hit you there to begin with?

[exotic lava]

#general-feedback message

That would pretty much make the whole pouncing system worthless and not even worth doing. The buck system is what needs to be fixed, not the pounce.

What they should do is make bucking more difficult the more predators manage to pounce you. But the first one is easier to buck off, but it gets harder as more dinos land. Thats how it is in real nature. It gives Herbis better chances to live so long as they are actively trying to buck off the predators.

Then they can use that opportunity to land hits on the predator as its trying to get back on its feet.

Or use that opportunity to try and escape.

[floral niche]

#general-feedback message @gilded thistle what would it even do to be unique

[distant tide]

Curse of official servers. Try unofficial servers.

[urban flax]

Snow biome, but you're not ready for this conversation

[floral niche]

I am

[wooden agate]

@scenic smelt

[scenic smelt]

Not in the settings for me. Doens't work half of the time.

[wooden agate]

in my experience bucking bugs when the interaction key has to fight for which interaction to actually prioritize

i.e standing on grass, gastroliths, etc

rebinding it pretty much fixes this completely

try resetting your binds

[scenic smelt]

resetting basically changes the order of the settings but doesn't add the option to buck, the buck option was still here before the new update (bug fix update). There is no way for me to be able to buck, neither by holding E, or whatever setting i had before it disappeared from the settings

[fossil violet]

did u delete configs or some file

[scenic smelt]

not that i know of, no. I did change game versions to test out the other versions of the game, but other then that i did not touch any files. i also tried to reinstall the whole game. Didn't fix

[verbal obsidian]

hmmmm

[indigo gulch]

@cedar meteor maia is SUPPOSED to be a fast runner

[vernal jacinth]

@brave jasper you want #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[brave jasper]

ah yes good shout

[opaque inlet]

Sadly most herbivores in this game can't outrun the carnivores who would try to eat them. There are exceptions but I think only maia and galli outrun raptor.

[digital sparrow]

@leaden pivot LOL that look of utter confusion on your poor Deino

[leaden pivot]

cant have shi mane 💔 its cool tho cuz now im killing apexs

[icy lion]

@scenic smelt If you are experiencing issues with your controls (can't move camera, unable to court, etc) then please try wiping your config files in localappdata.

1. If running The Isle, exit the game.
2. Press the Windows key
3. Type %localappdata% then press Enter.
4. Find "TheIsle" folder. Open it.
5. Open the "Saved" folder.
6. Delete the "Config" folder. Note: This will reset any of your custom settings to their defaults.
7. Restart the game. The issues should be fixed.

[scenic smelt]

It worked, thank you very much.

[zenith hawk]

someone pls help me with an problem when getting into servers. because every time i try join a random server its just loads forever and i never get in and the servers that i try to join is never full. When i leave there pops up an thing that says send and restart and much more and thisnever help?! can i pls get aome help!

[floral niche]

#general-feedback message this has to be bait

#general-feedback message @cedar meteor Maia (and I hope hadrosaurs in general) are supposed to be fast

[marsh ravine]

verify game integrity

[zenith hawk]

that didnt work😭 it still loads forever

[exotic lava]

yeah I guess for some reason when I was typing that specific part I was thinking they would be able to escape via the water, but we don't really have a genuine Herbi specific aquatic yet.

[chrome quail]

Wtf

[tropic pewter]

<@&933486433342222376>

[digital sparrow]

[floral niche]

@gilded thistle what would yuty even add to the game other than feathered, weaker allo

[zenith pagoda]

weaker allo is a crazy statement

[floral niche]

bro

wasn't yuty like half the size of allo? like less than 1.5t when allo is nearly 3

also we're getting cheirus as a presumably strong and very unique feathered dinosaur anyways, if the reasoning is having a strong fluffy creature

[zenith pagoda]

3 tons iirc is an estimate of how big they could prob get. But an avarage allo vs an avarage sized yuty. Yuty prob won cus it was more robust and stronger. But im not that sure

but yeah, yuty wouldnt fit in the game anyways

[floral niche]

eh, the isle is going for biggest estimates anyway and we don't really know the average for things like yuty or allo with such limited samples

And even if we were to agree that yuty was even larger than allo...What? I cannot see how could it be added without being a clone of anything else, which maybe can be better or worse than whatever shares that niche with. We agree there.

I think the roster is so full already and one would have to go for very particular cases for it to allow for more dinos without making it filler

quad carch is a great example of how it could work even if it someone reaches the extreme where many people consider it unconceivable

[marsh ravine]

nah we need more dinoss

[digital sparrow]

I petition at least one more full sized sauropod

[floral niche]

I think we could do fine with more, but for now the roster has all of the essentials and a few extras covered

Also @digital sparrow camarasaurus is right now in development

[pale river]

Lots of people favorite dinosaur, and cool feathers but the planed playables are enough it’ll just have to be modded in

[marsh ravine]

mods gonna be so fun to see aswell as the dinos the devs add 🙂

[floral niche]

modded dinos are the way. Looking forward to the Iguanodon one

[marsh ravine]

thatll be fun to see players as all these dinos thats coming to The Isle soon and in future. delta is gonna turn to ww2 fr

[digital sparrow]

Yeah but…more sauropods wink wonk

[floral niche]

why?

[digital sparrow]

Because they’re my favorite. Plus, I got let down hard once I found out that Diplodocus was cancelled, it’s my absolute favorite dinosaur.

[ornate pewter]

I also favor the addition of Liopleurodon, but only if it's magical.

[floral niche]

quad carch is more likely than all of that just so you know

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

apexes are at more risk of falling victim to "pinslop" than any of these creatures that can actually move quickly enough to simply avoid it

also the idea that adding a ton of apexes will somehow make the game any better lmao

also camara and spino are already on the confirmed upcoming roster (and quetz if you count that)

[floral niche]

@quartz meteor or...You could also work on the smaller ones to make them somehow more appealing, even though they still have and always had a loyal playerbase unless their kit is unfinished/barebones like with dryo and hypsi.

Devs are aiming to recreate an ecosystem, and those aren't sustained with an just brawling megafauna that would also take away from the very idea of making every creature unique by restricting all carnivores and herbivores (which would also lead to a gross roster shrink) under a few archetypical apex gameplay loops

[floral niche]

Counting quetz as an apex is criminal

To be fair though, it's gonna be very funny when people act shocked when this thing hopefully doesn't even get to weigh 500kg and can be crippled by pachies

[limber hull]

yea i know but its advertised as "apex of the skies" which is TECHNICALLY true

[floral niche]

I guess in relative terms yeah, quetz can take the gold medal out of the two flying playables counting itself too

[limber hull]

since its an uncontested behemoth in its preferred space

howver, that doesn't mean it matches up to the ground's big bads

[limber hull]

lmao well said

small tiers often get far more interesting gameplay systems since apexes typically are just "hyperfocused into specific combative niche" over an environmental niche (which is fine given what they represent), but smaller tiers often get more fun and unique playstyles you can't get elsewhere

[floral niche]

not even the big bads. It's probably gonna get bullied by regular sanctuary camper dinos unless they give it a way to vastly outplay opponents in a way that maybe it can pull some weight if played properly

[floral niche]

Imagine a world where only rex, giga, spino, acro, stego, cama, trike, anky, shant, cheirus and a handful others exist

And even if we were to say that we got a dozen new megatheropods and a mix of ceratopsians, hadrosaurs and sauropods...W-what would they even do? I sure would love having a collection of giant carcharodontosaurids that start pathetic at first and become unstoppable monsters after 10 hours of hiding around and scavenging and they all specialize in the same stuff but with minor stat changes and different crests on their head.

At least with more anatomical and size varieties you can have changes in how even their growth operates and make them reach further in terms of gameplay potential. You can't really get megalania, troodon, beipi, herrera or dryo as apexes.

[floral niche]

I WISH quetz can be crippled by pachies. It would be great

[latent olive]

QUADRUPEDAL CARCHARO MENTIONED

[floral niche]

I am never abandoning that idea

[meager river]

Good damn pin mechanic is awful

[floral niche]

I feel hatred towards everyone who didn't listen to my prophecies after being terrorized by omnis pressing one button

[signal geode]

#general-feedback message
Just not true

[tidal rain]

but how cringe is it to visit multiple pz and mz on the east side and +3 other prime tasks and still not get prime because why should all pz and mz work 🤡

i guess its so people use the entomb mechanic? -8 hours wont feel as bad then

[digital sparrow]

How many times am I gonna see a suggestion for Yutyrannus? Lol

[floral niche]

@gilded thistle reposting doesn't make a suggestion more likely to be accepted

And also, you could substantiate why it should be added and how could it be unique

[junior nymph]

@gilded thistle just letting you know mate, they have the roster set in stone, its not changing no matter how much you ask for animal A:

[wintry cipher]

We know droughts are planned due to a mutation, unlikely on cold weather, but... "control, atmosphere, and group dynamics"

.> looks at Allosaurus pounce and packing

.> looks at alberto bonebreak and also packing

Might be best to wait for mods on Yuty. Its niche is taken up in two places.

[gilded thistle]

Alberto isnt in evrima

[icy lion]

It will be

[gilded thistle]

Ik But it isnt in yet

[gilded thistle]

I Never Said it should be new roster i would just Like to See him in the Game someday

[digital sparrow]

Food bushes having the nutritional value of a bowl of rice crispies is why I don’t play big herbivores. It’s too much of a chore to feed them.

[ornate pewter]

I don't know if I'd call Hipsi barebones. It can climb, spit, has a cool mating dance, and is suggested to be getting an elaborate tree nest in the future.

Dryo, despite having a groovy dodge move, could use some loving.

Honestly, the only people using Dryo dodge are just trolling preds, cause they can't safely take a hit, and are better off just hiding or running and avoiding combat altogether.

[floral niche]

Your best chance are mods

[gilded thistle]

What mods

[wooden agate]

mods that are added once mod support is fully implemented

[floral niche]

We’re more likely to see something like pachyrhino, diplo or even plateo than yuty officially

There’s some pretty cool unofficial creatures that I’ve seen in some concepts like in #isle-fan-art , so I think there’s a chance for a theropod as popular to perhaps get some love there

#isle-fan-art message look at this for example. It looks sick and unlike so many modded creatures in other games it genuinely feels like it belongs in the game

I would definitely play this thing if it releases some day and it plays out nicely

This reminds me too that I wanted to get into mod development at some point to at least get Gigashark in

[delicate wadi]

#general-feedback message
Honestly agree, and map knowledge is part of "skill" even for people who suck at combat (me)

[gilded thistle]

Will it be a remodel or actual new creature mod

[icy lion]

We'll have to wait and see what people make

[gilded thistle]

Are u. a. Dev?

[icy lion]

No

[wooden agate]

god hyper cooked with this

[gilded thistle]

If i post yutyrannus concepts would it have more Chance of coming to the Game?

[delicate wadi]

Probably not, like said the official roster is pretty much set in stone

Granted, Hypsi was going to be AI-only until people begged for it to be a real animal -- so who knows. Yuty is one of my favorite dinosaurs so I'd love it too, but I wouldn't hold my breath

[floral niche]

I KNOW RIGHT

if you were to put it next to other official models, it would perfectly blend in with how it clearly shows what it is inspired of while still having that sci fi twist used to enhance the personality of the creature

[floral niche]

Not at all

As people have said already, the current roster is very unlikely to expand beyond what we have been confirmed, which is still a huge list of playables.

And I have asked you this but I have a hard time thinking what could yutyrannus even do that is so unique and ground breaking that the devs would take the personal bother to spend thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours of work to implement it

How it would look in the game visually isn’t the problem of your suggestion

[gilded thistle]

Ok

[gilded thistle]

Whats the Problem

[floral niche]

That we have at least one playable that can do anything that you could feasibly say yuty could do.

Devs actively tried to make every planned playable fundamentally distinct from one another, in a way they all had a completely different gameplay and specializations.

To show why yuty would fail here (again, as an official pick, not accounting for mods), what do you think it could do if it were to be added in the game?

[eager hearth]

Personally I would like to see an apex that acts like a deviljho just acting like a menace throwing itself around at whatever it’s hunting, granted yuti might not be the best choice for something like that

[floral niche]

So strains?

I don’t think anything in the fossil record can get as close to Deviljho as type-H tyrannosaurus in this game

[eager hearth]

Nah not strains, unless they’re going to get waaaay toned down

[floral niche]

Then another strain

There’s a whole spectrum there to make hyper rabid, perpetually hungry carnivores

If it isn’t Rex it could be alberto with its lesser reach anyways