general-feedback-discussion

[limber hull]

Give EVERY herbivore infinite stamina too then I guess

[pliant elm]

??

[limber hull]

Wow we saved the isle

[limber hull]

They’re all centrally PvE in their survival

So what’s the point of having them have stamina clearly

[pliant elm]

Yes, but they can also fight as much as they want

Ptera can now only fly

[limber hull]

Only if a carni engages them. Carnis can just not do that

“Oh no the infinite stamina pachy is attacking my Rex!!”

Chomp

[pliant elm]

If the cannibal is lighter, he'll be knocked down when he tries to peck you

And if you're lighter than the cannibal, then good luck, he's a PvE animal now xd

[limber hull]

Okay?

Being a PvE animal is still fine

Genuinely nothing wrong with that

I’m more excited for Oviraptor than I am for Spino because oh wow ovi seems fun to be a little mischievous guy

[wintry cipher]

Ngl if ovi also gets stealing human items added like little kleptos that would be so funny

[limber hull]

I suggested the idea of it stealing and opening cans of food and Dondi seemed a fan

[wintry cipher]

Aha yeah i think i remember you mentioning it before. That and troodon would make for fun interactions for smalls

Tho ovi with that beak could open cans. Thats smart

Ngl i wish we knew more about what is planned for gameplay. I know theres a lot hinted at

[lusty eagle]

@nova loom
#general-feedback message

The main concern here is performance. But they are going to be focused on making it look nice again.

[proven granite]

When are they gonna fix your dino just dissapearing and you have to restart on a new dino after you safe logout or do everything in my power to not lose it? Same server for days just to lose an adult Rex is terrible.

[leaden pivot]

why do devs hate beipis? they made it so they cant see anything underwater, and crabs now give absolutely no food. why nerf beipi? what did it do

[pliant elm]

Deino is like that too

They hate them both equally ♥️

[leaden pivot]

deino is 10 ton beast that kills everything, beipi is cute pet who is being punished just for existing

[agile stirrup]

#general-feedback message

yeah i hate entombment. it sucks the soul out of growing to adult when you’re gonna get rewarded with immediately growing frail and unviable to even play the game. could have done without this whole change

[obsidian jetty]

for me the "immediately" part is the only issue, if you kept adult stats until 90 or even 95% and then started getting weaker, I'd be happy.

[agile stirrup]

tbh i just dont like the idea of not having the option to get frail or start all the way over. 🤧

the only way i could rock with it is if we adjusted the time it took to get to frail and also the time it took to get to whatever stats frail start at

[latent olive]

@limber hull thoughts #general-feedback message

[wooden agate]

climbing could be a bit more

resting one just encourages some form of afk

but i like the idea of elder requirements being a bit more tuned for each species

or each species (or "type" of species, i.e climber, flyer, scavenger, etc) having 2 or 3 unique ones they can complete

[wooden agate]

im pretty sure this is how it works anyway, with stat decay as frail beginning around 87%

[obsidian jetty]

I think it's 87 now, yes, but I still think beginning at 90-95% and then deteriorating faster would be better if they want to keep it as brutal as it is (especially the speed is really painful on some things, Teno for example), if you have to deal with it for an extended period of time.

I mean...it should be painful, so I don't mind that part, but it should, in my opinion "punish" you for overstaying your welcome (so you don't want to keep playing after 100%), instead of making you question your life choices for 2 hours while you wait for that 100% to appear so you can finally entomb.

[pliant elm]

@vivid mason That's why congenital is something that only dinosaurs weighing less than 2 tons or less than 1 ton should be able to have

But Dibble is pretty weak right now too

[vivid mason]

not even about congenital tbh, those attacks are insane no matter how light or heavy

[pliant elm]

Yes, that's true. Allo can land 2-3 bites in the time it takes for the dibble to hit 1 attack

Wich would basically be 350-525 dmg

Not counting damage mutations...

Ah, what a good balance! 🔥🔥🔥

Allo Stun and knockdown recovery is realy fast too

He recover faster than Troodon and Omni xd

[toxic wren]

I wouldn’t mind allos absurd attack speed if it’s damage scaled appropriately. But it out-dpsing the face-tanker of mid tiers is very wrong.

[limber hull]

@vivid mason i genuinely can't fathom the people who tell me dibble is "impossible to 1v1 with allo" when that video exists

its not like you were a bad dibble, you literally kept your face to him and got SEVERAL combos, your damage was just so ass and he just spammed and won

[vivid mason]

sob yeah, its sad honestly

i really hope allo and rex get looked over asap

[limber hull]

dibble too tho

it isn't just "allo OP" there, it's "dibble ass" too

[ripe spire]

I'm honestly baffled Allo can just pounce while standing face to face. Why doesn't he bounce off?

[subtle swan]

I love having a prime elder carno, be 3 body lengths of a prime deino from the water and he still gets me, fr.

[summer fox]

hey guys is there a way an admin can make me a sub adult rex again, i was glitched in between two rocks and couldn't get out and i couldn't safe log so i left and when i rejoined my rex had apparently died and it put me in the choose your dino menu if someone can help ill be really grateful

[vernal jacinth]

No regrows

[ripe spire]

I thought they fixed the grass rendering

[trail thistle]

#general-feedback message more like 50 meters lol

[trail thistle]

they increased it. but it still needs more. also, you are very high which is also why it appears the way it is.

[ripe spire]

idc why, it never looked that bad

[trail thistle]

ok

[cinder wave]

@tranquil finch The Rex is balanced, they should nerf the speed of its ambush and fix bugs in sparring so that PvP between the trike and Rex is more even. The Rex always has an advantage in open areas and the trike in enclosed areas.

[tranquil finch]

bugs in sparring mode and ambush speed being fast does infect mean it is unbalanced

[limber hull]

i find it interesting that people think rex is meant to be better in the open, despite its entire kit being built to be an effective forest predator

also rex is absolutely not balanced atm, it's not just ambush that makes it utterly broken

[agile stirrup]

yeah rex has the ability to stun, pin, crush, and ambush. it has a full kit. meanwhile trike has slowness 5.

[limber hull]

well honestly it isn't trike's speed that's the problem, but you have an excellent point with the "full kit"

what, exactly, is trike's best option in a fight? that's right, thrash. every other attack either is too weak, too slow or both, while rex has a variety of possible attacks and approaches

trike is entirely incapable of competing without its thrash

honestly, a change i'd make is

• make alt-attacks on trike do stun and knockdown
• make all trike's attacks do more damage
• make thrash do less damage

[icy lion]

@slow stream If we made a channel for bug reports, we would ask exactly the same questions as on the current report form

[cinder wave]

More damage than it already has??? God, it's super balanced. The Rex's maximum damage is 700 and you want the trike to do 2000 per attack? Pretty fair, huh? The only thing I could agree with is the trike stunning with its alts, but knockdowns are practically a kill attack for the Rex and would make it totally unbalanced

[urban flax]

That's mostly because all of trike's attacks except thrash deal pitiful damage

[cinder wave]

Lamentable damage?? God, it's so obvious you want PvP to be unbalanced. The trike literally does like 1500 damage per attack right now and you think that's not broken? God

[urban flax]

which attack lol

[cinder wave]

Look up a guide to the trike's attacks and you'll see that almost all of them do 1000 damage.

[urban flax]

That's false

[cinder wave]

xd?

[urban flax]

Idk where you found a source saying all of trike's attacks deal 1000 damage, but you should stop using that source

[cinder wave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGK7Fe1W1rM

[agile stirrup]

i agree with everything you said.

i still do think trike’s movement speed should be dialed up slightly to punch in the same weight class as rex. like sure it’s fat and heavy but it’s genetically and biologically built to be that way, so while it definitely won’t be lithe and moving gracefully like a butterfly, it should be able to carry and throw around its own weight without looking like a character from wall-e trying to grab something when it alts.

the alt doesn’t even make a full turn which is still wild to me lol

idk it’s dmg output totals and won’t pretend i do— but something has to give. if it was a little bit faster and could turn i think landing an attack would be easier and thus the dmg would matter a little less maybe, but we won’t really know until/if that’s tested.

[limber hull]

that only applies to one attack, and that's the attack i want nerfed

no attack besides thrash does more than 1500, thrash does 2000 damage, twice, so 4000 damage

i want that damage spread more evenly across the entire kit, as opposed to exclusively just on thrash

trike doesn't have bleed or fracture or speed or any other fancy gimmick to give it the upper hand, it just has a strong head and raw damage

and given it's VERY easy to ass-ride and murder, I think being in front of that head should be scarier and more lethal

[cinder wave]

Trike doesnt need a buff in his damage, isnt necessary

[limber hull]

given how ineffectual its attacks are on big targets like rex, kinda is

try beating a rex without thrash, you can't, that's literally ALL trike has

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

"Ignore the people complaining that Rex is one shotting their mid tiers. That’s how it should be and I’m pretty sure you guys know that"

this statement just makes the argument bad faith. While I do think Rex SHOULD be one-tapping allos and diablos, I think the issue comes from how ridiculously easy it is to do so

it isn't actually the one-shot itself, it's everything surrounding it

the agility, the trot speed, the murdersprint

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

just say you don't like herbis man lmao

[wooden agate]

i like how he says spino is unique, and then somehow camara isnt

as if spino is not just rex but swimming

[ashen slate]

Personally I think they should gut the damage on thrash and make the rest of trike better in turn. All its power is in one move, so any other buff makes it unkillable. Kinda like Rex when it released on HT

[limber hull]

the literal walking spike pit isn't unique but "big bird" is

[ashen slate]

Yeah. Camara is gonna be important. I do kinda agree with his general attitude tho. Now that we have trike, Rex, and Allo in the game, that’s what more people are gonna play, straight up. I’d rather have more larger Dino to make a more diverse environment than more low tiers people aren’t gonna play in the long run. Focusing on camara, para, Shant, giga, etc makes more sense to me

[limber hull]

i wouldn't say gut, but it should be tuned down

make the rest of the damage higher, make the alt-attack do stuns, you're pretty set for a halfway decent apex

[ashen slate]

would be awesome to give trike an alternate alt attack like Rex has with muzzle swing. Wayyyy less damage than the normal one, but can stun knock over smaller Dino’s

[limber hull]

no? that's absurd

the environment's diversity comes from its smaller cast, not the larger one imho, and the game should absolutely emphasise the diversity that comes from the many niches small creatures have

[limber hull]

nah i'd just make the current one do knockdowns lol, no need for an alternative, trike's alt is already bad and slow as hell, it's one of the easiest alts to react to and avoid

if we just go "guess we only add large creatures now", to me that guts diversity and actually having unique animals for each player

i want kentro and ovi LEAGUES more than I want to play something like giga

[ashen slate]

In theory, yes. I totally agree. And if we didn’t have apexes, this would be true. But if you look at actual player count, most players don’t play them sadly. I’m not saying g don’t add them, but the higher/propper mid tier needs fleshing out now that it’s in the game. Hoping kentro can add to the mid tier roster

[limber hull]

kentro will likely be around... teno sized? not like dibble, maia or allo

but i'm fine with that, makes it more diverse from just a slightly smaller stego with spikes

it being several size classes smaller than stego is how it should be imho

[ashen slate]

Yeah fs. I guess what I’m saying is that I hope kentro vs allo can be a similar fight to Rex vs stego, basically that I can hold its own and hit considerably above its weight to keep it relevant in a map made of allos

Cause I love playing steggy.

[limber hull]

yea but for me i just don't like the idea of a full pivot into "well now that rex and allo are in we should only do larger creatures"

you wanna know why rex and allo are so popular? it's not because they're simply just "big". they are literally, two of the most popular dinos OF ALL TIME

people still like playing the littler guys

its just easier to see more of the bigger guys since

y'know

they're massive and don't need to hide themselves as much

[final silo]

yeah ive actually seen way more herbivores like stegos and such than rexes on some community servers

[frank notch]

When it comes to kentro, I think where you aim your bites should be important.

Considering the spikes on the back I'd day it makes sense to hurt carnivores who bite it on the back.

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message hmm i see

[junior nymph]

@spare ibex the game isnt realistic

you see this? this is hypsi

this is the isles hypsi

this is spino

this is the isles spino

ofc herra is there too

the isle isnt realistic, it has never said to be going for realism.

you are a animal on a island with other animals, deal with it

[tepid plume]

deinosuchus is at its absolute worst it has ever been

back in the time when cocky stegos and deinos were rivals, was deino's peak

[limber hull]

deino quite literally has the best elder in the game wdym "worst it's ever been"

it is also the only animal that also benefits even when frail

[unique mirage]

Likely the result of population control

[tepid plume]

it gets benefits but more like but at what cost

nobody needs to go closer to deinos when EXTREMELY SAFE spots exist everywhere you go

nowadays players never have a little bit of anxiety when approaching the waters, why do you think deino player counts have sunk so much?

and with the updates of lesser fish, deino survivability is almost zero

with cannibalism being the only choice among deinos

deinos surely do live a life of solitude no matter what in the waters

deinos cant survive because:

• fish are so much rare
• its weight grows TOO SLOW you cant hunt anything and starve eventually

[unique mirage]

And despite all of that, it's still among the most played species on every server

And while you can't drown other similar sized juvies in the water, you sure as hell can bite them to death with that insane increase in biteforce deinos got when small

[urban flax]

That basically never happened
It was always only a matter of knowing the safe spots

Whether there is only 1 safe spot or a dozen of them changes nothing
People will always go there because that's their only option

[tepid plume]

hold on thats wrong

let me type for a long time with sentences that make sense

[dull torrent]

where is everyone in my game

went to 4 pois in my map

[unique mirage]

Nah there were a lot of people that died to laziness on spiro and there are still some left, even on gateway

[urban flax]

Or people who didn't know there were safe spots
It was either gambling for your life or learning the safe spots
Same as now

Idk if gambling makes you anxious, but it doesn't for me

It just makes me bored and frustrated

[unique mirage]

I mean now adult stegos get yoinked while drinking, deinos are eating good

[spare ibex]

Well, I just give my opinion for your reference.

[tepid plume]

things ruining deino's relation with the ecosystem:

• back in isla, players WOULD go to the deinosuchus itself, simply because they were required to. Wherever you had to go required you to eventually cross a river. "Safe" drinking spots were only places you had a low chance of being caught by a deino, and they were often HARD to notice unless you were a deino and SPECIFICALLY looked for places that'd be hard for a deino to getchu UNLIKE gateway there are TOO MANY safe spots, TOO MUCH random shallow water sources, AND TO TOP IT ALL OFF, all of the safe spots have ZERO chance of a gator getting you unless you're LITERALLY AFK.
• The map itself is designed to punish deino players. Nobody needs to go to deinosuchus anymore to get a drink when they have everything I stated above and thus an exploiting glitch that allows you to fill your thirst from literal air. The literaly only way for deinosuchus to hunt is removed and they're all doomed to starve, cannibalise and live a life full of loneliness compared to how much of a significant role they were in Isla spiro .
• The relation and interactability of deinosuchus with the ecosystem has dropped so much and it shows in the deino player counts. Today, It's just a slight chance that you acknowledge getting eaten by deino when back then in Isla spiro you always had some anxiety and acceptance that you will be eaten by a deino whenever taking a drink.

deino has lost its significance and relation to the ecosystem. Atp its existence is just a nuisance and boring thing to play

and i was ignoring THE BUGS all this time, do not get me started on that

[urban flax]

• People knew the safe spots in spiro and went there whenever they didn't want to gamble their playable's life, as it was the only way to reliably grow anything seeing as there were AT least one third of the server playing as deino constantly

• Gateway isn't made to punish deino, it's just not made entirely to cater to deino and allow it to thrive despite being fundamentally flawed in its design and in its execution. Gateway is a map that allows multiple species to coexist, not only deino.

• That's a good thing. Deinos don't make up half a server's population anymore

The interactivity with deino and other species was never high or interesting anyway

[tepid plume]

read me again

[limber hull]

Spiro catered to deino, Gateway is designed for all aquatics, not just deino

We are going to have animals that thrive in or near shallow/isolated water that deino can’t

Austro is the soonest example of this, but sucho and cherius will also be shallow waders

[tepid plume]

safe spots in isla and gateway have extremely big differences
Isla "safe" spots:

• They were spots where the water is a bit shallower, allowing you to see the deinosuchus coming a few seconds earlier, which can be lifesaving and less of a "gamble". Although they still required tactics such as side-drinking to guarantee you'd escape most of the time. But when a deino did attempt to get you, that safe spot should be eliminated for you. Because atp you'll be gambling or the deino just sits camping the safe spot, forcing you to go to the nearest other river because atp getting to the next safespot on isla would take too long and if a deino camps there, well imagine the possibilities, i could rant for so long how you eventually WILL go to a non-safe spot to drink.
• Basically safe spots in Isla were NOT guaranteed safe spots, they were scarce, hard discoveries with probably deino players roaming through the rivers finding the spots where you'd have lowest chances of getting grabbed. So in all of that, you HAD to go to the deinos.
  This is how isla ecosystem worked.

Gateway safe spots:

• Plenty everywhere, easy to find just like how I already know several safe spots that I found accidentally because they're so friggin obvious.

[urban flax]

There absolutely were completely safe spots in spiro

Oasis for example

[limber hull]

Oasis was absolutely not safe lmao

It was popular because it was where effectively every diet spawned and it SEEMED safe

[tepid plume]

The safespots in isla I know had some way for the deino to get you if you planned it all in your head hard enough. Out of my generousity I'm just gonna say there could be a spot with absolute 0% chance of a gator to getchu but I've never ever witnessed that in my whole Deinosuchus maining in isla spiro.

[urban flax]

Half of it was too shallow for a deino to even swim in it
I would know I've been part of a megaherd camping it at some point, and there was a deino in the water but he could never snatch anyone because veryone was drinking in the shallow part of the oasis

[limber hull]

Also oasis was nuked off the map, same with shallows, both times because deinos couldn’t comprehend an area where they didn’t 100% dominate

[tepid plume]

Maybe a bush next to the safespot, imagine a deino pops out of there, but the gateway safe spots have LITERALLY AND LITERALLY 0% CHANCE OF A GATOR GETCHU

[limber hull]

So they got a super deep river right through plains instead

[tepid plume]

hope you guys read this i spent half an hour

[limber hull]

I have seen over 13 deinos walk onto land and steal everything they can because what could contest them?

[tepid plume]

except a stego herd

[limber hull]

Spiro was just designed deino first, everything else second

[tepid plume]

it was such a vibe in spiro how cocky stegos and deinos were rivals

but gateway has NO vibe i swear

[limber hull]

No wonder Gateway was such a shakeup, it was designed as a map for more than one aquatic

[tepid plume]

theres no other aquatic except for deino man 😭 i play beipi and spend all my days on land looking for nutrients

[urban flax]

Something they were never meant to be

[urban flax]

Austro, bary, minmi, sucho and spino are coming

[limber hull]

Yes, that’s soon to change, and Spiro could never support the aquatic biodiversity planned

[tepid plume]

thats great but cant deny the fact deino has nowhere to thrive right

deino is being left out too much

and making its gameplay too much harder

and less engaging

[limber hull]

I thrived on a no AI server in horde test as a solo deino just based on scavenging lmao

River delta under the bridge

[tepid plume]

key word scavenging

[limber hull]

So?

The opportunistic carnivore being opportunistic is bad now?

[tepid plume]

tell me what other way you have except for scavenging.

[limber hull]

I can eat rot and bones, I’m going to take advantage of it

[tepid plume]

tell me brother

[urban flax]

That's why it needs a rework so it's an actual playable and not some glorified environmental hazard

[tepid plume]

yeah i absolutely dont want it to be that glorified environmental hazard but NOT THIS BAD CMON MAN

[limber hull]

You physically cannot improve it more than it’s already been besides slowing its hunger, which… well doesn’t change the fact it still is a hyper opportunistic predator

It will never be an active hunter, it’s a gator

[tepid plume]

you could scavenge too in isla

but that, was the sort of 4th choice

not a way to thrive.

plus scavenging as a deino was dangerous too, as cocky stego herd could destroy you

2 is enough as long as youre out of water

wait dont type im gonna conclude it very good

[limber hull]

Yes because Spiro catered to it heavily

[tepid plume]

listen rn

your main way and intended way to thrive was ambushing those that get a drink

of survival, and the second is to canni

but in gateway, the main way has been almost removed

[tepid plume]

i forgot what i was gonna conclude it to

right ok so

the environment around the deino changed heavily, but the deino never changed

it doesnt matter how many buffs it gets if its only way of hunting is not available

considering it even survives to 100% full grown

thats another hardship to face

[urban flax]

And that's why it needs a rework

Removing safe spots won't cut it

It will just make it so everything that isn't deino is unviable, like back in spiro

[tepid plume]

my solution to these problems is to make HABITATS for each aquatic and require everyone to interact with it so nothing is left out

i have no idea how to possibly make this tho

[urban flax]

Why do you want people to be forced to interact with guaranteed death in a survival game ? Seems antithetical to the genre

[tepid plume]

thats like ignoring the fact deino need to eat to survive aswell

[urban flax]

What you should do is make people have a reason to do it and make that choice despite the risk

[tepid plume]

YES I AGREE

[urban flax]

And that's why it's designed wrong

But right now drinking where a deino is isn't a risk

It's a gamble that will result in death unless said deino has their keyboard unplugged

[tepid plume]

ive never drank from deino spots ever

because i keep finding safe spots on accident

i'll come back to this topic a bit later

[limber hull]

That’s what Gateway already does, it just doesn’t necessitate you interact with each one because that’d be insane

The issue I see is that the threats local to shallows and isolated waters like sucho aren’t in yet

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message I dunno about being intact... I think thats more reliance of just a healthbar because I can clearly accurately guess my HP based on the blood on my screen

its also over committing and dying or fighting something way larger and dying

[tepid plume]

But it isolates deinosuchus from everybody else

that's a huge hit on the deinosuchus population

deino gameplay has never changed, more accurately it COULDN'T change. The environment around him only got more brutal, directly damaging to deinos

the game broke entirely from just some new updates

thats proof the game doesn't have a foundation to rely on.

if the game was built around feedback, it would have a really great foundation

feedback that has been argued, confirmed and THEN added, just for clarification

[urban flax]

Which was sorely needed

[urban flax]

Bold claim for someone who just arrived

[limber hull]

It is, was and always has been

The game we have now would have never existed if not for feedback

[tepid plume]

😐

250 of that on deino

[urban flax]

Talking about the discord
How can you know the game doesn't take feedback if you've only just arrived on the place where feedback is shared and taken into consideration

[urban flax]

That's sad

[limber hull]

We wouldn’t have even gotten playable herbivores or even a vast majority of the dino roster if not for feedback

Deino absolutely wouldn’t be in if the devs never took feedback

[tepid plume]

ohhhh well i keep seeing the community heavily complaining about how the game is, so i got the vision of isle having the best concept for the worst devs

[urban flax]

on reddit I guess ?

[tepid plume]

my research is only from youtube feedback vids

[urban flax]

bruh
That's even worse

[limber hull]

LMAO

I guarantee 90% of that is exclusively Karenboy too

[tepid plume]

never heard of him

[limber hull]

That guy is in every comment section I’ve seen for the isle

[tepid plume]

he makes it obvious with the nametag "karenboy"

[limber hull]

Always upset about something

[tepid plume]

hold on a second

im sure we heard of defeatpete right? all of us

the guy who has 1600h on deinosuchus

not the game

i know from his feedback that deinosuchus is in its worst

[urban flax]

deinosuchus was never good

[tepid plume]

i didnt know deinosuchus is the biggest gator (not croc) until i researched it

some say deino is stronger than rex, some say it's rex

probably cant compare because of their skull shapes and how they hunt and use their jaws

but im pretty sure a rex in its knee-level water shouldn't be able to cook up a prime deinosuchus and give it a body + leg fracture

in a short fight with the deino

[urban flax]

The Isle is a videogame, not real life

[tepid plume]

unfairness applies to all sorts of realities

justice for deino : (((

[urban flax]

Which I guess is why deino doesn't win against rex

[tepid plume]

to be honest the lunge system can be absolutely reworked and done better

appropriate size dinosaurs should still be picked up off from the ground just like how it is

but i think

if the victim is, let's say more than 40% of the deino's weight

could be a sort of fight where the gator does not pick the victim up directly but is agressively pulling him into the water

and it gets harder as the weight of the victim increases, eventually coming to a point where the victim just drags the gator with its weight

[tepid plume]

so if this does get implemented, things that can matter in my concept:

• angle of lunge (decides grip and where the victim is held from for example leg, belly, tail, most optimally belly)
• grip (how easy it is to pull the victim down into water)
• weight of the victim (lesser means easier to pull it into water)
• once victim is in water swimming, its 2x easier (the boost is less as the weight of the victim increases, for example 1.5x easier for a bigger weight victim or no boost at all if the guy is a sauropod) for the deino to pull it into water and down into water

[urban flax]

That wouldn't really solve deino's core issue

Which is that the only one who has any say in the interaction is deino itself

What makes interactions in this game, or in any game, interesting is the INTERactivity that defines them

When everyone involved gets a say to what's going to happen, it's good and people have fun

If only one person has a say, it's boring for everyone involved

In case it wasn't clear every interaction involving deino falls under the second category

Example of interesting interaction : rex VS stego
This one is not perfect, but it can go either way depending on how each player plays out their part. In most cases, it won't boil down to one player just pressing a button and the other one dying. Even with a bad start and after getting hit first, a rex can still kill a stego, or at least run away and survive. Same goes for stego (although harder), who may be able to kill the rex or injure it enough to run away.

Example of boring interaction : Deino VS anything else
Option 1, the other thing is small enough to get grabbed. Deino grabs it and it dies.

Option 2, the other thing is too big to be grabbed. Either deino ignores it and nothing happens, either the deino tries its luck and dies miserably. In both situations, the prey doesn't get to decide of the outcome of the interaction.

If lunging was reworked to be a stamina battle, the only thing that would change would be that deino would need to take into account their own remaining stamina compared to their target's weight. So not much would change in the end.

[limber hull]

Exactly

Even if deino had this whole over complicated tug of war grip system, it’s still not like the player against it is DOING anything

It’s reacting, but that’s it

Deino is the one deciding everything about the engagement

The only choice the opposing player has is not going to a deep body of water to avoid it

So nothing has changed besides the flavour of deino’s hunt

If it’s light enough, deino drags it, and if it’s too heavy, it drags deino

Deino would still engage exactly the same as it does now. Punch down, avoid the big guys

[junior nymph]

yes make it 4T

justice for deino

[tepid plume]

yeah i suggested allat just to add flavour to deino gameplay nothing else

but it'd be 5% more interesting if i said that if (insert damage amount) was dealt through either one attack or several attacks spontaneously, i think it should automatically let go of the prey

and also i just wanted to fix the issue with, let's say 6.1 ton dino is picked off from the ground and easily killed but 6.2 ton dino is no longer able to be grabbed

so i just wanted to equalize that

and i do think it would give the victim a little bit more chance to escape

if it gets developped not EXACTLY like how i said it, but with things to add ontop of it

for example, the victim and deino can use multiple tactics to their advantage
the tactics the deino can use is limited by its weight and unlocking them might be restricted to a growth limit
the tactics the victim can use is limited by its weight, agility, stamina and what species it is

my point is, i dont like the fact if you're under (insert weight) you get picked off immediately

even by a decimal

[limber hull]

Alternatively the victim can just… avoid that body of water and be completely safe

[tepid plume]

yep thats the core issue for deino is that nobody needs to go near the deino hunting grounds (water)

deino has no way to hunt because everybody can drink elsewhere that deinos cant go to

and crossing is easy since there are shallow spots

the deino also has no other defense except for its lunge which is unavailable after (insert weight of dinosaur attacking deino)

even in water, i saw rexes body + leg fracturing deinos and leaving them critically injured allwhile rex is ready for next round

i really think ANYONE who gets near deino's jaws should be afraid of it (ignoring those that are slower than deino such as sauropods)

remember the lunge system i suggested

it should be able to do that on land, for the purpose OF knocking the enemy down

it can just lunge at a rex leg and knock him down with its weight

same for a stego

but stego has 4 legs so it should get a mini knockdown (basically not fall over completely sideways but rather on its legs)

at least it'll help make the deino less easily killed

but these only work as in terms of defense since nothing is slower than deino

i'd love to see deinos casually knocking big cocky dinosaurs on land like a bowling pin

and to anyone complaining, just stay away from deinosuchus they're not supposed to be killed or be on anyone's diet except other deinos

that's why they're isolated to only rivers and not land

[lusty eagle]

@prime jetty
#general-feedback message

There was a save file deletion recently to allow the servers to load faster.

[prime jetty]

thats just sad. all my dinos are gone. shame

[tepid plume]

i've reworked the deinosuchus all in my head as a concept and i think it's really decent

[limber hull]

So you literally haven’t solved the main issue with deino

You don’t interact with it, at all

[tepid plume]

we've argued about the main issue

the main issue is nobody needs to go near the waters, not the deinosuchus on land

and thats simply because there's always a drinking spot deinosuchus cant reach to be hunting, thus resulting in mass starvation of deinosuchus because ambushing people that drink was their only way of hunting

what other way can they fill up their stomachs possibly? Could it be scavenging that's only left for the all glorified apex preadtor?

And canniballing the remaining rest of their kind that plays deinosuchus?

Pfft, that surely can't be the deinosuchus gameplay in the isle, I've just taken a break from isle just for 2 years-

ok well this is core issue

[limber hull]

That’s the only effective counter to it, so it should be the case

[tepid plume]

nobody will gamble when there is a guarantee next door

[limber hull]

And they shouldn’t have to

[tepid plume]

thats like ignoring the fact deinosuchus exists

then the map should be extended to some sort of isla spiro where deino can thrive

and gateway for baryonyx stuff

[latent olive]

in a way, deinosuchus harms the player population the same way pteranodon and the other """"""spectator"""""" playables do

[limber hull]

No, it should not

[tepid plume]

deinosuchus isnt a spectator tho it's an apex predator, it has a massive potential to add SO SO SO MUCH to the game

[limber hull]

Deino is still an apex, it should never be as easy as it was on Spiro

[latent olive]

it sticks to the water, isolated away from a lot of things, mostly interacts with its own population, cant do anything until approximately 1 ton

[limber hull]

The introduction of bary, austro and other aquatics will only benefit it too, since it will likely be faster than them in the deep water

[tepid plume]

but it shouldnt be the most unrelated dinosaur to the ecosystem in the game too, right?

[tepid plume]

thats simply for every babu

[limber hull]

It’s only really unrelated because it’s ecosystem is the least developed

[tepid plume]

they have to hide until they're invulnerable

[tepid plume]

wdym? you hinting at deinosuchus will have at least the tiniest bit of significance later on?

i mean do you mean the ecosystem is unfinished?

idk still cant deny gateway only punishes the deinosuchus

its the exact opposite of isla spiro

the hotspot areas even got a nice silly little bridge for the dev's favourite herbis to cross (just kidding)

no offense but everything seems to counter deinosuchus

my life is deino and im saddened to witness its downfall

[latent olive]

once the safespots are camped by members of the spinosaur family, they wont be so safe

baryonyx? yeah i can contend with it if i want that water

suchomimus? thats a bit much, but i could try pushing it out of the way

spinosaurus? hell naw

[tired quest]

which you only get 500kg at 50%

[tepid plume]

isnt that insane

thats literally pouring salt over the wound of the big hit deino players got

they cant hunt no matter their growth size currently

[tepid plume]

alright but aren't they gonna dominate over deinosuchus and take over all the hotspots

unless they have to work together which i hope

[latent olive]

its far too early to say

they might end up being a primary food source for deino, like sub adult suchomimus

[tepid plume]

otherwise deino will be pushed far far away from where they can hunt properly

[latent olive]

i imagine they wont do so well in deep water, other than bary

[tired quest]

a 500kg deino is eaiser when it comes to nesting, lol

[latent olive]

although spino is still a spino

[tepid plume]

that should be prevented

deino players with all their wrath of suffering is gonna focus all on these new aquatics and ruin their gameplay

[latent olive]

good luck with that

[tepid plume]

because they are FORCED to out of survival and spite to the gateway

adding 3 spinosaurids will only make the spinosaurids be land creatures and deinosuchus will still suffer

i can see so much more complaints and dislikes

[tepid plume]

(considering deino players will be still trying to survive until then)

every single deino player will probably quit isle until then

so it wont be much of a problem, just a good pat on the back you've made the deinos extinct

and spinos will dominate

and spinosaurids will survive peacefully

[tired quest]

there is no playable in the game right now that new spawn player need to go 30mins nonstop to the nearest place ai "might spawn"
and with only elite fish and frog in your diet
everywhing you kill you have to wait for 7-20 mins(depend it is a fish or a whole animal) in order to get nutrients from it

[tepid plume]

can you elaborate i'm quite confused

[tired quest]

right now deino can get deit from rotten corpses

[tepid plume]

that's scavenging

[tired quest]

yeah, but if you killed a deer or a boar that is stuck in water, you have to wait for over 20mins for them to rot

[tepid plume]

deinosuchus has iron stomach, you think they get some sort of perfect diet from eating rottens?

they can eat rottens

idk how that would help

[tired quest]

and everyone in that area knows there is a deino in that river by smelling a corpse near water

[tepid plume]

and that's just even worse for deinos then

their existence relies on being unheard and unseen

if those are compromised, you won't live long

things in water should have a drastically less range of being smelled

or none at all

[tired quest]

well it has been like this for an year now, since they shut down the elite fish spawn

[tepid plume]

i guess they're biased towards non-deinosuchus playables

i could keep ranting but it feels devoid of purpose after this point i've done my share of the situation for hours typing

[tired quest]

tbh prime deino is pretty lame and contradict its ambush part, you became so fat that you cant fit into the water cannels at delta anymore
all its left is find other deino and destroy them cause you are better on every stat

[tepid plume]

my whole arguument, points, explanations and everything is above

im gonna leave for today

[tribal girder]

Are there any works being done on patchy headbutt hitbox, kind of getting tired of being sent flying from a patchy hitting way behind me

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message it doesnt

[limber hull]

@hardy vine do i have good news for you

[pliant elm]

@hardy vine Stego Powerswing only knocks Rex smaller than him...

[trail thistle]

#general-feedback message dude could've just avoided the rex... weak argument when he's literally less than half the size of that rex.

the point is to survive, not kill everything on sight like he tried with stego of all things.

[limber hull]

i'll be honest, i'm like #1 advocate for "stego shouldn't be fodder" but like

yea wtf

dude was already safe

the rex gave up

the swing was literally just asking to die, then y'know, getting what you asked for

[trail thistle]

stego isn't a walk over for rex tho. it's quite competent when both are are same % growth. he was soo much smaller than the rex tho.

[limber hull]

you can literally see the size difference too, that's a BIG rex who gave you the option to walk away

wasting stamina, distance and time by bumrushing it into a jungle (as a plains animal), hitting the side of a tree and then getting crushed by an animal that dwarves you

yea the most unfair part of that clip was probably how the rex could fast get up for free

oh and its turn rate is

absurd in that video lmao

[trail thistle]

alt bite ahh

[limber hull]

genuinely i cant believe the takeaway from that video was "i hit a twig"

he wasted over 10% of his stamina to bumrush a much larger rex while already pretty tired while the rex was resting and he could use that time to just get away as fast as possible

yea, it's silly that the tail hit the small tree but like, nothing in that video needed to happen

[trail thistle]

even if the rex speed was nerf on it's turn or something. he was right on top of the rex.

[ripe spire]

@raven storm It's only the black rocks next to rivers and the ones in the swamp (with the trees on top). still sucks hard, especially since climbing got scuffed alrdy with this update

[raven storm]

Ty for clarifying i was so confused as to why i couldnt climb some and others i could 😠so frustrating

[ripe spire]

No idea if that's intentional, maybe because they are slippery rocks (all near water)? Probably not because it wasn't like that before the most recent updates, they just broke something... again...
You can still climb big cliffs and mountains.

[full pewter]

@gentle lichen
Troodon runs at 45kph
Allo runs at 37kph iirc

Troodon is already faster isn’t it?

[junior nymph]

allo runs at 39

but yea...

I like the people that just spill missinfo and say its feedback 🙂

[full pewter]

Literally, though I wanna believe he thought the first digit was the same for both

[junior nymph]

they prob werent a full grown troodon or were a frail old troodon and died to a sub allo or something

[full pewter]

Believable

[gentle lichen]

talking about prime

[gentle lichen]

i didnt die, i was chasing one xD

and it ran away from me

[junior nymph]

oh... what size were you?

like prime prime or frail prime?

and how big was the allo? like sub or

[gentle lichen]

i was 100% prime

prime prime

[gentle lichen]

i have problems guessing the size but i would say it was adult. definitely didnt look sub

[junior nymph]

hmm

[gentle lichen]

but i wasnt able to keep up with it for whatever reason

[indigo gulch]

Yeah but to be fair, the point he makes is still valid. That is just awful that something like that gets stopped by a small twig

[junior nymph]

allo only gets up to 40.4 as a sub and anything else is slower

so like depending on the speed of troodon

[gentle lichen]

then i dont understand why i wasnt able to keep up with it. mayhaps serverlags

[junior nymph]

maybe, or maybe something more weird was happening

[gentle lichen]

but anyways i still think that troodon should be way faster

[pliant elm]

I think he is talking about 100% troo

[gentle lichen]

100% prime troo runs at 41 about btw

[pliant elm]

It should be faster

[gentle lichen]

well it isnt

[pliant elm]

Troodon and other small tier shouldn't lose speed at 100%

[gentle lichen]

maybe 41.7 or something

[full pewter]

100% prime troo is 43kph

But frail elder yes but every Dino is ridiculously slow at 100% frail

[gentle lichen]

pretty sure its lower, i gotta check that tomorrow

[full pewter]

https://youtu.be/g8d6IeNJSyw?si=fr5xNhy6vnWvvCG3

I take it back 100% prime troo is 44.4

[gentle lichen]

thats from 3 weeks ago >,>

[pliant elm]

I don't understand why some people voted with a ❌ in your feedback. Even though Troodon is faster, you still spoke the truth xd

[gentle lichen]

wait im gonna relogg rq. i wanna know that now

[full pewter]

I’m quite sure they haven’t adjusted the stats that much

[gentle lichen]

i will take a look. but it doesnt change the fact that troodon should be faster and teno should get more weight xD

[full pewter]

100% frail troo is 33.3kph according to the vid

[gentle lichen]

allos need to be punished. im sick of that pin to win bs

[full pewter]

I agree teno should be bigger, but troo is plenty fast. It’s over 50kph at prime stats

[gentle lichen]

especially with a dinosaur this sice and with this speed. i can understand it with raptor tho

[gentle lichen]

yeah but the timeframe isnt worth the efford tho

[full pewter]

So it’s basically one of the fastest Dino’s at one point

[gentle lichen]

small ones shouldnt have any disadvantage when they already have a hard life

[full pewter]

Agreed, but that’s a problem with the elder system as a whole

But 100% prime troos are far from unviable

[gentle lichen]

i honestly hate this system to the bone,. it broke the game so much and made it so unbalanced

man... i just want to check on my troos stats and it takes forever to log xD

[full pewter]

Personally I don’t have a problem with the increased unpredictability with matchups it brings, but I do hate how little time we get to enjoy peak stats

[full pewter]

Go on a pvp server

Like taco island

[gentle lichen]

for me its so frustrating when you entombed the 3 time and then a allo or rex comes arround the corner and you die just because theyre faster and have pin to win

im not playing private server

[full pewter]

Agreed here too

[gentle lichen]

see

prime prime only 41.7

[full pewter]

Huh, maybe they did change it

[gentle lichen]

uh 41.4 i mean

[full pewter]

I’ll check myself sometime

[gentle lichen]

maybe they changed allo speed as well without saying

[full pewter]

Are you sure allo breaks 40kph?

[gentle lichen]

i currently dont have allo on any server

but the one i was chasing was definitely faster than me

[full pewter]

How big was it

[gentle lichen]

cant tell exactly, but i think it was adult

maybe it was "sus" if u know what i mean

[full pewter]

I do know

I’d have to check

[gentle lichen]

ok so my friend just told me that allo also runs 41. something when its the fastest

[full pewter]

Prime stats?

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

“that adds way less pressure for you while adding dinosaurs” he says, while at the same time demanding that the game focus on the most complex and difficult dinosaurs and forget about the simple ones

Lmao

[pliant elm]

Instead of trying to fix the fight between Rex and Trike, it's funny that someone would think it would be better to add another Apex that would probably be in the same situation as Trike xd

[marble turret]

data acquisition failed....fix it

[chrome quail]

Allo 41.4 peak and adult is 39.8

[gentle lichen]

no when its the fastest, must be sub or something

[chrome quail]

Yo have u seen this Carno standstill charge thing knocking down things without momentum

[stray nest]

i think they need to buff/change ceratos and allos and carnos, they need to become mid dinos that if in full pack, have chance to take down rex. Also adding giga, spino, theri, would spice game a loooot

working on austro and barry, most forgetable niche dinos instead of bringing popular playables is kinda contra productive ...

[limber hull]

yea

[limber hull]

"forgetable niche dinos"

they are extremely popular and hyped what are you on rn

i would rather play austro any day than giga or spino

you can not like them but other people absolutely do

[stray nest]

they are extremely popular and hyped on discord by people that mostly hang out here in your little bubble of love and hype for everything that comes out of dondi ... the reality is a bit different, majority just dont care for these things and will not play them more than 1h if at all

[limber hull]

go into isle discussion for a couple of minutes and there'll probably be some guy with austro in his username talking about how excited he is for austro

and bary isn't far behind

[limber hull]

so where are these statistics coming from then

because i've seen a lot of people excited for austro, yet apparently there exists an invisible army of people who don't want it?

i feel an easier answer here is you don't like small animals

[stray nest]

out of your head? how should i know. I see a lot of people of the same nationality around me, doesnt mean world is populated by them xD

[limber hull]

fine, you do you, but you don't speak for the entirety of the community

[stray nest]

thats my argument to your claim lmao xD

[wooden agate]

calling bary niche and forgetable is actually crazy.

[limber hull]

lmao exactly

[wooden agate]

like you have to be severely disconnected from this community to actually think that

[limber hull]

bary is literally one of the most anticipated aquatics across the board, and austro has a VERY hyper dedicated community

[wooden agate]

people yearn for the nostalgic giggle chicken

[limber hull]

i actually hear more people excited for bary than spino, it's that beloved

but i think spino's unpopularity comes from those who expected paleo spino lmao

[stray nest]

we ll see server pops when they show what dinos people play xD easy as that ... i cant say that much about barry, but austro xD it ll be like herrera, barely 5 people out of 300 playing it

[limber hull]

people love herrera wdym

the biggest issue with herrera is the bugs, not the playable

[autumn latch]

we will see how much they like dieing to Deinos all the time for 1 week 🤣

after that dead

[wooden agate]

HERRERA? UNPOPULAR?

[stray nest]

xD exactly ... theri, giga, spino, all will be played much more than barry or austro

[wooden agate]

oh this is bait

[limber hull]

i mean

if they genuinely can't figure out how to counter deino... then yea they're not gonna have a great time

literally the easiest animal in the game to avoid

hell, austro is a shallow wader iirc, it doesn't even care about deino

and both austro and bary will likely have great land speed, so the moment they decide to go out of the water, deino can't do jack

neither of these animals are half as confined to water as deino is

[autumn latch]

exept to glitch lunge after them 😂

[wooden agate]

if you think theyre not going to fix a semi aquatic bug in the update surrounded around semi aquatics i dont know what to tell you

[limber hull]

if its a glitch lunge... it'd get patched??? so literally what's the problem

[autumn latch]

yeah as the Bushes got for herbies 😄

[autumn latch]

they gonna be like sandwiched on land Allos and Rexes and in water Deino where we gonna grow Bary

[stray nest]

whats in your understanding as unpopular? For me its dino that is not played that much, on pop controlled servers its always free and there is never big pop of them out there ...
Stego, trike, cera, allo, omni, rex, carno, all these dinos are played a lot, the rest kinda meh ...

[stray nest]

herrera is one of those that are not popular compared to this group. Dryo, hypsi, troodon, herrera, austro will slide right in

[wooden agate]

herrera currently has more players than ceratosaurus on this population controlled server, neither of which are locked

[limber hull]

i wonder if herrera is unpopular or the animal designed not to be seen is hard to see

[wooden agate]

more than stego as well

[limber hull]

"but i haven't seen any herreras!"

the animal built to not be seen unless it's killing you tends to be harder to spot

[rose drift]

Fix fish spawns...

[stray nest]

i see you have reading comprehension problem, you know, the kind of skill that is tought in 2nd grade ... because i havent claimed that i "do not see herreras anywhere"

[limber hull]

so why do you think herrera is unpopular?

[wooden agate]

"tought" in the same sentence as insulting someones literacy

[limber hull]

this is a teeching moment

small animals are a lot more popular than you might think

the issue is not that they are unpopular, it is that it is within their best interest not to be in the line of sight of predators, ESPECIALLY when animals like carno or juvi/sub-rex exist

[stray nest]

xD its kinda funny because i havent insulted his literacy, some people have holes in their grammar, some in their information reception and process, one is kinda thing u just got born with, the other is solved in 10 sec on google

[limber hull]

you literally did

[pliant elm]

Carno charge really needs some adjustments. But I don't really see much of a problem with him being able to knock down an Omni or Dilo while stationary, considering the charge is now manual. Carno would be easy prey for good Dilos and Omnis without that...

[wooden agate]

claiming someone has difficulty with reading comprehension is insulting their literacy.

[limber hull]

how the hell do you not comprehend your own sentence insulting literacy

reading comprehension = literacy

[pliant elm]

Since that good Omni were already able to handle Carnos before when the charge was auto-hit

[stray nest]

reading comprehension is mostly cognitive skill

[limber hull]

oh my god

[wooden agate]

.... oh. oh my god.

its bait

we've been baited

[limber hull]

this is genuinely

i'd say it writes itself but i genuinely don't think anyone is behind the wheel

[stray nest]

you can call to god however you like, the fact that 2 id**s on discord claim reading comprehension is literacy doesnt make it so xD

[limber hull]

google.

[limber hull]

the ability to read and write

the ability to comprehend words on paper

reading comprehension

this is out of this world

[stray nest]

so if you need me to be specific, i did not insult your vocabulary level

i am sure its top notch, i insulted your intelligence, i hope now its clear

[limber hull]

well i wouldn't be throwing the dumb stone either in your situation

built yourself a large glass house lmao

oh boy I got a message request I'm sure this will be a fun adventure

he tried to call me stupid then blocked me

incredible

another win for the austro community

[agile stirrup]

#general-feedback message

@crimson coyote there are basically unofficial servers like that have 3x growth rate and supply food. so you can learn the map and test out mutations all while not having to spend hours growing

also servers that straight up offer free insta grows

[wooden agate]

<@&933486433342222376> #general-feedback message

i dont know how stupid you have to be to put your cheats in the official discord but congrats, you've won the stupid award

[pliant elm]

I think he took it a little too seriously xd

[limber hull]

lmao i reckon

[limber hull]

@wintry whale do not increase its charge damage i beg of you

i agree with the diet thing tho

[wintry whale]

Fair enough

Maybe shorten charge distance

[limber hull]

it

it doesn't have a distance

[distant orchid]

what the hell am i supposed to do if i get stuck?

[limber hull]

it's manual rumple

you can do it while standing still now

hold RMB and tap LMB and it just GOES

[wintry whale]

There's a charge up, you do more damage as you run further iirc

[limber hull]

not that i know of, no

pretty sure you can just stand there and swing your head lol

the only difference in the damages is if you can or can't knock something down

[distant orchid]

im stuck in-between a rock and a tree I'm a just supposed to starve to death?

[limber hull]

have you tried typing /unstuck into the chat

[distant orchid]

no i haven't ty

that didnt work I'm still stuck cant you all just put in an respawn option?

[chrome quail]

i think its a bug

[pliant elm]

It isn't

[chrome quail]

Think I’ve got a ss on Don saying Carno and other playables are making a mockery off cc

I don’t think it’s supposed to be knocking down or stunning opponents while standing still

[pliant elm]

So what is the point of him being able to use the charge while stationary

[chrome quail]

Better than slow bite

[chrome quail]

It’s also just insane because nothing can come close to u since u knock it down and instantly shred its health

[pliant elm]

Do you really think they would make the Charge stationary just a better bite version?

[chrome quail]

I mean it does have alt charge aswell sooo 🤷

[chrome quail]

Rn it’s just broken very unbalanced

Dilos are extinct Omni can’t even pounce carnos

[pliant elm]

Yeah. Bcs of that the charge stationary still need adjustment

[chrome quail]

💯

[pliant elm]

But not a complet removal of the cc while stationary

[pliant elm]

Dilo has needed a rework for a long time, it's just become more obvious now. And with Omni Pounce is a bug

[chrome quail]

Ability is 75% broken rly does

[chrome quail]

Stun is kinda alright but knocking them down straight away is crazy

[pliant elm]

Carno purpose is be a Small Prey hunter, so is fine

[chrome quail]

For the instant knockdown?

[pliant elm]

If Carno only had manual charge change, he will be a easy prey for the prey he should be hunting

[pliant elm]

It inst instant, but is a bit Buggy rn

[chrome quail]

I feel like it’s just unbalanced how it is rn and a lot of ppl are complaining about it since there is legit no room for error when fighting a Carno unless he’s rly bad

[mortal parrot]

@visual urchin Play unofficials

They're better

[wooden agate]

@visual urchin #general-feedback message there are quite a few issues with the game, a mixpack on officials is not one of them. officials are going to stay ruleless, and for those seeking a more ruled experience, unofficials are right there. i recommend Mettas Den if you're looking for an official-like server with only rules against mixpacking/mixherding.

[visual spoke]

has anyone else had their dinosaurs wiped from a server randomly after the initial wipe from the update?

just happened on US official 2 for me. game crashed, sent in error report, then relogged. nearly full grown allo is gone -I was chilling in bush, so shouldn't have died in the minute between crash and login.

[full pewter]

@storm aurora Personally I think the game looks great overall, but that grass render distance does hurt a lot. Have you tried increasing the view distance? Might affect performance but thought to ask

[tired quest]

I preferred the previous water texture. The light blue color doesn’t really fit the swamp and delta theme

[halcyon spindle]

Is there a way to have the disconnecting fixed? Or at least save the dino. I had a full grown prime pachy but I disconnected randomly (my internet was perfect) and the pachy was just gone

[trail thistle]

#general-feedback message that wouldn't be pinning then...

[ashen slate]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1465192251125927936

the thing is, you can only actually pin things that are half your weight or less. this system basically already exists. for rex's there's the partial pin and the stun. it's already tiered.

[still bolt]

@fiery spire peak music taste

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message me when this was literally just datamined allo and it was OP to all hell as you were able to just stun things get bites then run and repeat, thats worse than pounce honestly

[tepid plume]

i see one more youtuber quitting isle yet again

with understandable points and reasoning

yo what do we do man as the isle community

one side tells me isle is being perfectly developped while the other side is continously quitting

[limber hull]

people get tired of games, especially if they spend a lot of time with that game

i have seen several new faces pop up making isle content who seem to really enjoy the game

[tepid plume]

how new are we talking though

i have seen really really new isle content creators that just do vids kind of for the purpose to grow their channels

and i see the 1+ year isle content creators hinting at how isle has been degrading

and it gets worse as years increase and hours turn to thousands on isle, as i hear from isle veterans

what went wrong?

[limber hull]

I mean… I guess they’re entitled to their opinions? I would say I’m an “Isle veteran” and I’d argue this game is FAR better than the state I found it in

[tepid plume]

are they just ungrateful isle veterans or is the current community of isle too manipulated to realize anything?

i've listened unhappy isle veterans for a long time, i wanna hear from the other side that thinks they're wrong

[limber hull]

“Manipulated”? By who lmao. It’s a dev studio not an evil group of masterminds

I don’t think anyone can manipulate you into liking a game with absolutely nothing keeping you from just… walking away if you decide you don’t like it

The Isle doesn’t even have anything like in-game rewards or unlocks to keep you hooked, it’s literally zero stakes to just leave the game

[tepid plume]

dude you hit the spot of how some describe the devs "evil masterminds"

[tepid plume]

i see some say that they feel "too shy" to leave after "3000h"

idk im as new as i can be and i'm very content to see they got a feedback category with 8 channels

[limber hull]

to me i just don't understand that

during u6.5 i took a massive hiatus from the game because i hated the balancing, the map design, the visuals and everything

it objectively just was not fun for me, at all

i came back when gateway was launched and have significantly enjoyed the game more, although i am not a fan of the constant size decreases and removal of iconic and fun areas

[tepid plume]

they even go as far as to define it as an "abusive relationship" saying they cant get themselves to uninstall the game

[limber hull]

but that, ironically, came about because feedback asked for those parts of the map to be cut

[tepid plume]

that also happened in isla spiro

removing iconic and fun areas thing

[limber hull]

eh, spiro was unsavable imho

like removing oasis was a necessity imho

that was... awful

[tepid plume]

i see some documenting the isla spiro removals as "devs see a spot on map that benefits the ecosystem and keeps the playerbase content and they decide to remove it"

not sure if this is correct

[limber hull]

yea i dont think that ever happened

they spotted areas that basically congested all player traffic and removed it so that people would spread out

i assume you got that from that one video called "The Isle is the worst game in Early Access and I can prove it"

[tepid plume]

oh yeah i faintly remember

what was that vid all abt

[limber hull]

spiro replaced certain areas with other areas

gateway just straight up obliterated west rail access and some islands

like, they didn't even get replaced, parts of the island just got entirely shredded off the map

[tepid plume]

speaking of changes, why not they make a changelog for their transparency of what they're doing?

i am kind of aware there's been rumours of silent updates

[limber hull]

they do make changelogs and devblogs to keep people updated

[tepid plume]

very on point

there's no tutorial tho

and that's a huge part of complaints

[tepid plume]

can we also elaborate more on this vid

[limber hull]

this is true, but they are also working on adding those

[tepid plume]

i think i remember mostly agreeing with the points laid out in that vid

[tepid plume]

hm ok great 🤔

[limber hull]

only point i agreed with in that entire vid was just "we need tutorials"

because we absolutely do

[junior nymph]

he couldnt prove it 🙁

[limber hull]

wasnt one of his points that herrera, beipi, ptera and hypsi shouldn't exist because they're small and don't exist on the ground all the time

[tepid plume]

can anyone disprove every point in that video with great arguument

[junior nymph]

no

[limber hull]

i haven't watched that video in forever, i know SOMEONE made a stupid point like that

[junior nymph]

they were saying these playables dont give food for any big playables causing them to be useless with 100 players and everyone should be a big creature

[limber hull]

ah

[junior nymph]

I remember that

[junior nymph]

majority of them yes

[tepid plume]

yeah i remember that person speaking about the ecosystem of the isle

which i've accepted an ecosystem is nonexistant in isle

[limber hull]

i... heavily disagree with that sentiment

[tepid plume]

i really want carnivores to have something to avoid starvation just like how herbis graze

maybe be able to eat bugs off the trees out of desperation??

[limber hull]

wouldn't that do the opposite of add to the ecosystem

that would make it just even more carnivores

grazing is bad enough already on its own

[tepid plume]

it's like a heavily nerfed graze, just to prevent carnivores dying so much because players never contribute to the ecosystem as intended and AI is too buggy

[warm spire]

But why would you make starving impossible in a survival game, that seems counterproductive

[limber hull]

^

it's already counterproductive on herbis

i think the devs have discussed either removing or heavily changing it

because it just undermines the point of being a herbi

[tepid plume]

not impossible

the issue is starving is 90% of the outcomes

[limber hull]

it is impossible if you add grazing lmao

you have to actively try to starve if you can graze

[tepid plume]

herbis can graze not carnis

let me explain my issue again

[limber hull]

yes, and they literally cannot starve unless they want to

why would you add a similar thing to carnis

[tepid plume]

as a carni there is a single way of filling your stomach : eat meat
and the methods to achieve that: hunt (player or AI) or scavenge

when you spawn as a 25% you have to immediately begin running to find an AI, finding a babu dinosaur is outta your choices since you'll starve before that

the hunger getting lower means you're more desperate for means of not dying of starvation

so it'd be great addition to be able to have easy prey to hunt such as filthy bugs for your nearly empty stomach when you're so desperate to not die but you can't hunt them after you're no longer desperate (above 10% stomach)

so this wont keep the player JUST hunting bugs to survive

because doing this for a long period of time will drastically decrease your wellbeing of the dinosaur

[limber hull]

yes, and that would make carnivores unable to starve

[tepid plume]

and grow to a guaranteed frail elder

[limber hull]

and again, it's bad on herbivores as is

[tepid plume]

or have a lot of nerfs

[limber hull]

we want less mechanics like that, not more

[tepid plume]

ITS ONLY DESPERATION MEANS

plus herbis dont need it because they eat the very bottom of the chain of food : plantlife

it only could be better if grazing source was limited

and it nerfed you over long periods of grazing

so its just all desperation means of NOT DYING

[limber hull]

desperation should be looking for a corpse or AI

dying should be a consistent outcome if you can't find any food, that's the point of a survival game

[tepid plume]

those are your primary means of eating well

[limber hull]

no they aren't, they're your primary source of eating full stop

eating well as your diet

[tepid plume]

well then i've got a better solution

[limber hull]

if i dont hunt goat, but i see a goat and im starving, i'm going for the goat

[junior nymph]

@fossil violet just letting you know theres a deino rework coming up and bits of it may come next update

[fossil violet]

#general-feedback message

@halcyon spindle fans have speculated that’s gonna be something exclusive to Giga

[tepid plume]

if you've been having a 0% stomach for (insert minute) your dinosaur should be able to hunt easy prey like bugs to NOT die

[fossil violet]

taking forever

map needs a rework too

[junior nymph]

we may just need a new map not even a rework

gateway is just broken in general due to 5 UE upgrades getting pushed onto the map

thats also one of the reasons why we have been having degrading graphics for gateway over the years

[tepid plume]

important question : are the devs aware and are passionate?

or is it a dev studio that wanna make game for riches

[fossil violet]

if they update deino but lunge still only hits 3/5 times, it’s useless

if they update deino but there’s no ai on diet, still useless

if they update deino but fish don’t spawn, still useless

if they update deino but map is still has a million safe drinking spots, still useless

if they update deino, but his swimming stamina drains in 1-2 minutes as an adult, still useless

the list can go on & on & on & on

[limber hull]

it is absolutely not that lmao

they

• refuse to sell any in-game transactions
• refuse to take any donations
• refuse to increase the price of the game even after it comes out of Early Access because, quote "games are too expensive nowadays"

[fossil violet]

bro we would be better off having microtransactions to actually speed things up

dude is stubborn for no gain

[tepid plume]

passion > money as in way of motivation

[limber hull]

thats not how that works at all

they are, to quote them, perfectly well funded

[fossil violet]

yea it’s a beautiful map but it just doesn’t work out for every species

[limber hull]

more money would not aid their development, it'd just be for the sake of making more money

[fossil violet]

wrong

[junior nymph]

I mean not a species thing

[fossil violet]

more money = hire more helpers

[junior nymph]

I mean the map is actually just broken,

[limber hull]

mate it's their dev studio, they say they're perfectly funded, they're perfectly funded

[fossil violet]

perfectly funded for 20 people, yeah

and look where that got us

[tepid plume]

if things take long, then why not hire more

[junior nymph]

honestly, I would just like to see more programmers but those are hard to come by

[junior nymph]

I think theres more than 20

[limber hull]

also i love the common misconception that hiring is just a super simple process of "you throw money in the air and a programmer spawns"

[fossil violet]

https://tenor.com/view/eh-ehh-kinda-kindaa-kindaaa-gif-13676281

[tepid plume]

let me do calculation for example
20 developers = 1 update a year
20x360 developers = 1 update in 1 day

[limber hull]

they do hire people regularly iirc

[tepid plume]

why not megapack their developer studio

so they dominate the developping

[barren crater]

lmao

[limber hull]

this is

genuinely staggeringly wrong

funny but if it isn't a bit

[tepid plume]

and if management is hard then hire more managers

and if u cant manage management then hire the director of management

[limber hull]

this is such a fundamental misunderstanding of how studios even work

[tepid plume]

yeah i am aware of spitting nonsense

[latent olive]

just press a button bro it’s that easy

[limber hull]

the amount of internal reorganisation from doing all that would take months in itself lmao

and that'd distract heavily from development

and then there's the fact that not everyone is fit for a certain team and the fact that hiring processes are an entire thing where you need to get a read on how well they'd mesh with the other members and so on

basically it's inventing more work for yourself under the guise of making it easier

and then if those guys you hired have nothing to do because sometimes development has unexpected chokeholds

well that's a whole lot of nothing that was good for

[fossil violet]

this whole convo is meaningless when we have 100 bugs that existed for 2 years straight 😂

[limber hull]

list them

[fossil violet]

i play them

so many bugs we started to deem it normal

[tepid plume]

our biggest issue I THINK is we need to improve quality assurance team so the community is not this much discontent

[limber hull]

i've been on the QA team and spoken to a good amount of members, I genuinely think they're doing great work and are always looking for more members

[fossil violet]

we can tell, u glaze

[limber hull]

join the QA team if you think you can do better lol

[fossil violet]

https://tenor.com/view/mouxy-cotorep-aveugle-debile-esquiver-gif-20546128

nothing to see here

[limber hull]

not that hard

[tepid plume]

i wanna join qa team 👍 👍 👍 👍

[latent olive]

the devs had a wider, more public testing team

the idea was to have a lot of people testing and trying to catch things the smaller QA team might have missed

unfortunately it didn’t work out

[latent olive]

you can DM hypno and ask to join QA

[tepid plume]

woah cant believe that's fr

[limber hull]

the stress test team was uh

it was something

[fossil violet]

the QA team has probably submitted all the bugs already, it’s not their job to fix em😂

[latent olive]

just note that you need to be of legal age as there are binding documents to sign

[latent olive]

I HATED that content creators were a majority

[limber hull]

yea that was certainly not a great choice

[latent olive]

all they wanted was to scrape the content off the top and then leave

[tepid plume]

shoot i forget they're an official dev studio

aight ima come back to discuss these topics later

[limber hull]

(and in someone's special case, use leaked content as a thumbnail then get mad when removed over it lmao)

[latent olive]

still despise the guy for that

[urban flax]

Look ! It's someone not knowing a damn thing about game development but giving their opinion as if they were a master on the topic !

[fossil violet]

i could know nothing and the game is still full of 250+ bugs that get fixed at a rate of molasses dripping from a sap tree

it seems the people who knew everything got nothing fixed, so what’s the difference

knowledge doesn’t seem to be the problem here

[urban flax]

The difference is you spitting misinformation with every sentence

[fossil violet]

so inform the class what would help this game and its flaws

[urban flax]

time

[fossil violet]

https://tenor.com/view/klasik-clasik-clasic-gif-25398314

[urban flax]

Not the answer you wanted it seems
Sorry for your loss

[fossil violet]

Deino been useless for 2 years

time hasn’t helped

[urban flax]

If the entirety of the game boils down to the state of deino to you, no wonder you think nothing is being done

But even in this case, you're wrong. Deino has been receiving changes and adjustments over the last years, and a new kit is planned for it

[fossil violet]

i gave one example

[urban flax]

Is it the only one you have ?

[fossil violet]

time is ur answer to all

[urban flax]

Since you obviously aren't aware, game development takes time

[fossil violet]

nah it’s a valid answer, i respect it

but i’m not gonna act like everyone has time

[urban flax]

Too bad then, you can also play other games if you need content right away

[fossil violet]

time can be 30 years, or 10

at some part in development u have to have a timeframe in mind

[urban flax]

Just because they don't tell you what their deadlines are doesn't mean they don't have any

[pastel lily]

Since Ptera is the main character, it doesn't make sense that Ptera can't attack while flying. Please make it possible to attack while flying. That's the fun of Ptera.

[urban flax]

"ptera is the main character ?" What ?

[fossil violet]

😂😂😂

[pastel lily]

I mean ptera is my main

I'm not good at english sorry

[fossil violet]

that’s kinda funny i can’t lie

[urban flax]

also ptera can attack while flying

[fossil violet]

fairs but from the outside looking in, they really make it seem like there’s no rush to focus on bugs

[urban flax]

Well obviously
Up until the addition of the elder system (which was literally last update) the rush was to add every core mechanic into the game, because adding a new core mechanic is bound to cause new bugs

They still have gen1 and gen2 to add, but those will most likely be easier to implement and cause less issues upon being added

[fossil violet]

what’s gen1 & gen2

[pastel lily]

I tried but can't..;-; they touched my tail but I didn't get attack

[limber hull]

Humans (normal and primal mutant)

Gen 2 is the normal ones and likely what’s being worked on

[fossil violet]

and yea, i figured that was the plan, is add everything then come back and fix everything

but that leads to a shaky foundation

i’m not game development so idk how this works, but in every other part of life, u make ur foundation solid before building on top

[limber hull]

But that’s what they’re doing, they’re forming their foundation

[urban flax]

Took me long enough to find

Gen 1

[fossil violet]

we already have a HUGE foundation, and it’s starting to get shaky already

[urban flax]

Gen 2 are normal-looking humans

[urban flax]

I'm not sure what you mean

Either you simply missed, or if you fell down, that's because as ptera you need to slow down when attacking someone

[pastel lily]

Even though I slowed down, the beak was completely destroyed, but the opponent didn't take any damage.

[fossil violet]

see that’s what i mean, are they counting every single dino + humans as foundation (which is 10 years minimum) and THEN come back and fix everything

[urban flax]

But that's not true
They also fix bugs whenever they can
If they didn't the game wouldn't be playable at all

But as I said, right now the priority is adding the base content and core mechanics in, because many bugs are pointless to fix before those are added, since thing will likely break again once new things are added

[fiery spire]

Has to be

[limber hull]

I just don’t know what people mean when they say “fix the foundation”, because their interpretation of that tends to be different from everyone elses

They do a bunch of bug fixes every patch and tackle certain issues

[tepid plume]

and yet there keep remains being bugs

the very visible ones right now that i see is the unalignment of rex spot and victim spot during crush and deino lunge being overall bugged

[faint folio]

I don't make video games, but I do write software for work. Debugging software is almost always like playing whack-a-mole. Patch one thing, and something else breaks. I'm not surprised there are still bugs in software as large and complicated as the isle

[tepid plume]

oh true

im gonna spread that useful information you just blessed me with

i believe big will happen next patch

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message go mettas discord

[wintry cipher]

#general-feedback message

Im cautious of quetz being used for mixpacking but honestly we cant nerf a dino for fear of that and this has some potential. Upvote

[eager socket]

@rotund hazel I feel like this doesn’t take into consideration they have one of the slowest grows out of a impossibly weak juvi only juvi nearly as weak as theirs is dilo or Troodon. I’d discussed this before with someone and I don’t think removing Ai across the board is a good idea but instead have them fade with age forcing you as a Rex to hunt players as you get bigger while the Ai slowly fade away from your diet limiting the value you can get from them

[rotund hazel]

I mean, if fresh spawn troodon can survive through scavenging and maybe hunting a chicken if they're lucky enough to catch one before they starve(because they are incredibly slow and microscopic in size), fresh spawn rex can easily. Trust me

[eager socket]

My concern isn’t that it’s the over punishing of the wrong stage of Rex’s grow

Plus Troodon should be faster 😭

Juvi Rex especially the first 50-100kg is agonizingly bad already making it worse by making it hard to get food won’t make Rex any weaker just slightly more frustrating to grow

[rotund hazel]

Rex gets to spend 2 hours in sanctuary. Pick the right one and you can very quickly become the monster of the cycads. Either way, this isn't about rex being made weaker, it's absolutely about making rex more frustrating and difficult to grow

[vagrant phoenix]

I don't know #general-feedback message I mean yesterday I tried to grow my first rex and it was honestly kinda easy but I died like 2 hours later because there's a Deino in swamps on a 40 pop unofficial server lol, kinda agree and don't agree. On most unofficials rex is hard because of population, it's especially impossible since I've seen a lot of players get cannied by slightly bigger rexes, its weak in the early stages, loud as hell when eating resting and sniffing, and the moment you get past your speedy phase you're kinda on the hope a slightly bigger rex, Allos, ceras, don't spot you. Even IF you're growing in secluded places. You'd be surprised how many players I encountered yesterday with only 50 players online (mettas den)

[eager socket]

Than I simply disagree it’s not a good design to make something annoying to grow purely for the sake of making it annoying if you want less players on it release things of equal power or make it weaker so it’s not getting such easy food and having a universally easy time growing

[limber hull]

yea rex is bizarre

you get to basically just be a sanctuary demon for a bit, then you grow up and then you're a colossal speed demon, then you're sub and you're an all-rounder, then you're an adult and you're a powerhouse

does rex even need that AI?

[eager socket]

On officials yes

[limber hull]

outside of the "kinda vulnerable start", it's great its entire growth cycle

[eager socket]

Everyone is invisible on officials

[vagrant phoenix]

When you say it like that it is kinda meh

[eager socket]

Walked around and saw 3 players on a full server one day max pop

[limber hull]

yea you wanna know why lol

because they're farming AI in a corner

[vagrant phoenix]

I swear it genuinely feels that way, how am I finding no one in 2 hours on officials hotspots and finding like 10 players within 1 hour on a 40 pop server on an unofficial

[vagrant phoenix]

I thought that too until I decided to go over the map like a printer

[eager socket]

We checked all the high Ai spawn map corners those empty too

[limber hull]

because people don't go there because they expect people like you to check there lmao

[vagrant phoenix]

It's genuinely weird how there's nothing on officials most of the time

Hotspots are empty too other than a Raptor or two

[rotund hazel]

It's the AI growing players. I sit in spectator mode on my server to watch population/player spread. Player spread is fantastic, there are very few areas that don't contain at least one person. But they're all hiding. In bushes. Eating AI until they're big. The only players actively moving are those who are fully grown. I've seen two different species sit almost right beside each other in two bushes, having no idea the other player was there until a deer called and they both leaped to their feet to run at it, saw each other, and panicked.

[limber hull]

^

rex honestly plays like a herbivore

[eager socket]

The tracking system is abysmal atm I will admit

[onyx frost]

Rex = Herbivore with extra steps xdd

[eager socket]

Just remove AI from its diet once it gets to its speed demon phase

[limber hull]

it PvEs on food not really designed to fill it, devouring it until it's massive, then goes out looking for fights as if it earned that lmao

[eager socket]

Leave Ai in for the freshes

[limber hull]

honestly if you left in the tiny, itty bitty AI always and removed goats, turtles, deer or boar, the ONLY way a rex is sustaining itself is WHEN it's small

like genuinely removing boar and turtles would go miles

[onyx frost]

AI should just be in the game to help players grow to a size where they can hunt and to keep them alive between hunts that’s it

[limber hull]

you don't even need to do anything like "diets change over time" for rex, literally just removing boar and turtle would be enough imho lmao

[rotund hazel]

I will also say this: I grew a tenonto while actively moving, 1 calling, walking through the open my entire growth. Not one rex that wasn't adult prime risked coming into the open to attack me. All the ones that could have very easily benefited from hunting me preferred to take 0 risk and stay hidden eating AI instead.

[wild leaf]

ive honestly found myself doing the same. lol a rex grow is agonizing. if im a sub and i see a tenonto id be questioning my decisions bc its not just you. youre attracting everything else as well.

[onyx frost]

That’s sooo true every time I see a Rex he’s either a fresh spawn or a duo of Primes

[limber hull]

like, turtle? is rex coastal now? why does it need to be eating turtle?

spino, i get it, it's spino

[wild leaf]

it was often a coastal species fun fact

and did eat turtles they were also great swimmers too

[limber hull]

i prefer game archetypes to hyperfocus on realism

rex is, currently, designed to be a jungle-based ambush predator

it doesn't really... do that atm tho

[wild leaf]

i can get that but also u have to factor in that bc of the playerbases requests dondi did add a ton more foliage to block rexes from actually using forests properly so its tit for tat atm

[onyx frost]

I personally think a prime rex eating a whole adult trike just to barely fit its stomach is a lil stupid ngl

[icy lion]

@manic cloak Growth rate bonuses get turned off when you hit 75%

[limber hull]

i dont remember that happening lmao

[rotund hazel]

To be fair, bro also stays full for nearly 2 hours

[tired quest]

maybe because jungle in this game is just a giant dead zone that ruin your fps

[wild leaf]

yes thats why a lot of foliage now has hitboxes. so u can actually lose a rex in a forest LOL

[tired quest]

same with lakes and swamps

[limber hull]

not even nearly, it IS 2 hours lmao, slowest hunger in the game

slower than THE GATOR

this game has a literal, cold-blooded gator

and the rex needs less food than it lmao

[rotund hazel]

Petition to swap rex hunger time and allo hunger timer lmao

[wild leaf]

id literally cry please no

[rotund hazel]

Starve rexies starve

[limber hull]

nah don't give allo that power

swap rex with deino and then proceed to give it allo hunger time

heheheheheheheheh

[wild leaf]

dont do this to me im a rex main please im nice :c

[limber hull]

the fact that deino doesn't have the slowest hunger drain in the game is still absurd

[wild leaf]

honestly from my time growing rexes ive found that EVERYTHING is on the hunt for juvies to the point i actually take pity on juvie rexes and leave them alone. its so bloody difficult 😭

[onyx frost]

Would be nice if Rex was an ambush predator and not a master at 1v1s and being insane against groups bc of its alt swing making it scared of large herbivores in a head to head fight than it would deserve its black hole stomach

[rotund hazel]

Acceptable. Gator=2 hours
Rex = 30 minutes
Allo = 1 hour like every other carnivore

[limber hull]

30 minuts is pretty insane for rex lol

i dont think anything has 30 minutes atm, and for good reason

[wild leaf]

yeah thats a bit low...

[rotund hazel]

That's just how allo hunger time feels

Not actual numbers

[wild leaf]

i hunt a prime stego fill myself up only to need to hunt in what 20 minutes again?

[limber hull]

allo is, iirc, 45-60 minutes

[tired quest]

30 mins sounds like a mole lol,if they miss one meal they die

[limber hull]

i'd make rex, say 60-90 minutes

[wild leaf]

literally it isnt a hypo it shouldnt be treated like a hypo

[limber hull]

deino and MAYBE megalania should be the only two things with up to 2 hours of hunger drain because

lizard reptile bastard animal

[wild leaf]

i can agree with that looking at how lizards eat

they eat like every 3-10 days irl so (for crocodiles specifically anyway but thats based on their habitat etc)

[onyx frost]

Wouldn’t hurt if sauropods had very slow hunger drain I get that herbivores have to eat a lot but even trike rn is a pain to keep over 30% food and I’m talking abt a solo 2 trikes r impossible to keep fed

[wild leaf]

mm it heavily depends imo. i had a herd of 10+ trikes on officials and i was a prime and so were 2 others. its possible

[wooden agate]

thats also because herbi food values suck though

[eager socket]

I feel like alot of these takes dont take into consideration how officials are played and focus too much on the unofficial feel

[desert arch]

Spiro carno with 30 minutes of hunger and like 40 seconds of stamina back in the day.
Literally felt like a shrew

[tired quest]

just design different food source for them once they reach certain growth stage

[wild leaf]

dont remind me and people are begging for it back 😂

[desert arch]

Spiro was so funky, I miss it sometimes

[tired quest]

would be funny that sauropod killing herbivore fighting for bananas

[wild leaf]

but banana

[noble pine]

I’ve never understood the yearning for spiro, all anyone ever did was complain about it. It was small, boring and had nothing interesting about it.

[wild leaf]

it was a nice map imo but for much smaller species of dino it could never house the roster of today

[onyx frost]

I had an idea that carnivores could have a feature where they slow down their metabolism and when they do that their hunger drain slows down but they also lose speed (maybe even biteforce) temporarily and when they choose to speed up their metabolism back to normal speed it takes some time to get back to their normal values

[desert arch]

Ill he honest. I love pvp, its the thing that got me into this game. Spiro was AMAZING for pvp. Its simple as that.

[wild leaf]

not a bad idea but if added itll only ever come out so much later lol

[noble pine]

Fair, but it was such a chore to traverse, imo its one of the worst maps this game has ever had

[limber hull]

sauropods i absolutely get

they're massive, slow and likely won't be able to eat the same thing as everyone else

[tired quest]

#general-feedback-discussion message
it can work for deino since its unllikely for them to travel long distance

[limber hull]

it also regenned stam at mach speed

it was truly an animal of extremes

[tired quest]

would also love to see they added sunbathe mechanism into its basic kit

[desert arch]

It had the 3rd best damage in the game bar deino and stego, yet couldnt afford to even miss once
Lets also not forget it dying to 1 omni pounce

[limber hull]

i still don't understand the people so nostalgic for spiro carno, its stats were literally so extreme in every department, making it a nightmare to balance

[onyx frost]

Deino would really benefit from this since he doesn’t really need speed/bite force to hunt but imagine this feature on Rex where he chooses to be slow/weak to not die and he wouldn’t be able to kill trikes/stegos

[tired quest]

like the more food in your belly the slower you are, you can do the sunbathe to temporary get a slight buff, this also prevent giant deino duos just decide to delete everything
plus fat crocs sitting on shore is fun

[barren crater]

erm it was 45

[tired quest]

it also let other player knows there is deino in that area, or trick them to think it is safe

[tired quest]

#general-feedback-discussion message

[onyx frost]

Or imagine u could use a shedding mechanic that that would leave a trail of skin behind you but ur stats would go up a little bit for a short amount of time like if u would be a 100% elder u would shed and make ur stats boosted by 5% for a short amount of time

This is just smth I thought of in like 2 min bc I think there should be more options for old elders than be a weak Dino or restart ur growth

[tired quest]

just trying to make sunbathe an actual thing for the croc, because right now ppl will only sit in the bush and tab H to heal their wound after a fight
such a waste for the beautiful model they made

[onyx frost]

Or deino could leave mud paths around the river to let other players know there is a deino

[tired quest]

that will encourage more pond deino playstyle, since it will make constant move around to track player nearly impossible

[onyx frost]

Just thinking loud tbh xdd

But the waters on the map need more flora around them the river coming from water access should be covered in low hanging trees and bushes it would look so cool

[hardy locust]

They say apex level carnivores should be hard to grow, but then they also give rex every ai and herbi on its diet its entire life, while also giving this thing insane smell and track range, a headbut, a bite, and a pin, and bone break, and ambush speed, and good swimming speed, and alt attacks in water, and this doesnt even affect its easiness, but to glaze it even more, they give it a paleo call, also is able to walk down almost every dinosaur, and with latency can hit most of these attacks on you when your 10 meters away

[strange wave]

i can agree about the lighting needing improvements, but the yellow hyper saturated filter is insane

[proud hill]

@graceful nymph dude, these are litterally some of the best (if not the best) graphics we've had except for maybe gateway release

the engine updates made the game look so much better and more like it should be compared to the desaturated and slightly dark and dirty look we had going before

[queen haven]

yeah what we had a few updates ago was perfect

[proud hill]

the yellow/orange early rex hordetest lighting was pretty cool ngl but prefer what we have now

[graceful nymph]

I strongly disagree, and many others aswell

[strange wave]

i mean... this current unsaturated look is a community suggestion

and a former very popular one

people were really adamantly against things being as saturated as they were, and they explicitly wanted it to be as cold feeling as legacy

[proud hill]

but my opinion is the best and most important one

[proud hill]

i think it now is the perfect blend between cold and natural isleness or whatever

[queen haven]

bro the game looks like plastic rn

the peak was indeed early gateway. it never has been the same since

[proud hill]

did you even see this picture

look at the texture

the lightning

the way the light hits the foliage on the ground

the way it hits the very very hungry ceratosaurus

[graceful nymph]

oml

[graceful nymph]

lol this is quite funny

[queen haven]

now compare that to this lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvBUuasVHqs

[graceful nymph]

look at the water too

[proud hill]

i must agree early gateway release is probably the best lightning we've ever had, even if you exclude the nostalgia

[strange wave]

i love circular arguments based on opinion and nothing else

[proud hill]

yes i dreamt about gateway release the other day lmao

[graceful nymph]

not sure about you but i love the look of the orange-yellow environment update 4 had to offer, it felt like a tropical, southern dino island

[proud hill]

yes me like

i'm trying my best not to crash out and to be respecful right now btw

[graceful nymph]

just become peaceful

[proud hill]

i am one with the isle

[queen haven]

i mean, we can just agree that early gateway graphics was the best and call it a day lol

[graceful nymph]

If were gonna have the unsaturated look forever, you have to at least give us good textures. that is what is majorly making the game look horrid right now

[proud hill]

[graceful nymph]

yeah, but update 4 was really good too

[proud hill]

yeah i really liked that too in it's own way

that's the problem with me, i am alway far too optimistic about everything in this game and it is impossible to reason with me

[graceful nymph]

how about give us an option in settings : labeled early gateway, current gateway, update 4

[proud hill]

[proud hill]

i would love this

[queen haven]

the best solution

[graceful nymph]

exactly thats something we all agree on, now get the devs to see it

[proud hill]

i'd say we have compromised well lads

[queen haven]

🤝🤝

[graceful nymph]

🤝

[strange wave]

would that not open the door to exploiting in certain areas where each look provides an advantage?

[graceful nymph]

it would probably make very little of a difference if the shadows are balanced correctly

or just have different map variants server owners can choose from, like a gateway map with old gateway graphics, or even older graphics.

[limber hull]

Which I still hate.

“Ohh the game can’t be scary if it isn’t temperate”

Stupid ass argument

I don’t think current lighting is bad but I LIKE my colourful tropics

[graceful nymph]

this exactly

except i think its pretty bad

(at least compared to what we definitely could have)