general-feedback-discussion

[jovial arch]

i've literally never seen that 25% thresholds met

plenty of times i've seen allos 1:1 weight pin, but the 25% not so much

[pliant elm]

This only works with 2 or more Allos

Only Rex has this mechanic working without needing another player

[jovial arch]

My opinion is that if you're running out your stam like that, you probably deserve to die

but tbh if you want to increase the thresholds idc

[pliant elm]

Yes, I agree as well

[jovial arch]

the mechanic isn't really hugely relevant, people proc it in like 1/20-1/50 combat encounters on allos

[pliant elm]

With the same grapple math as the Omni, two Allos can grapple up to 20 tons

[jovial arch]

but this is only OP if they can actually proc it

[pliant elm]

Bro

20tons

Only 2 allos

[jovial arch]

dude i been playing prime allo for like 20-30 hours on petits, over like 20 fg dinos killed, haven't been in a situation where i procced it

this is a mechanic which only procs once in a blue moon

[pliant elm]

So there's no problem in nerfing it

[jovial arch]

yeah, i've said that like 2 times now

it's basically inconsequential

nerf it, buff it, idc it rarely if ever actually sees use in actual gameplay

typically the only time i see it is fighting a bad stego who whiffs like 20 attacks but the stegos can just take tactile

[pliant elm]

Well, I think it's something that could determine many fights for Allo's victory, and currently it's very exaggerated being 20 tons with only 2 Allos. I will respect your thoughts about this as well

[jovial arch]

i've seen one clip from all of HT of someone proccing this mechanic, that's it

everything else i've seen has been on testing

[wintry cipher]

Ngl its extremely wierd that a stego can have manual alt attack off, and its basic attack is slow, but the minute you disable that and delink it a second time, you attack like a machine gun.

Like- why is there even a diff??

Id consider that more of a problem than a niche mechanic that requires my target to already be dead (20% or less bleed) or out of stam (which is in their control)

Though tbh, the stam req should get knocked to 10% or less

Wierd to be "collapsing" levels of weak at 25%

[paper galleon]

so you mean it's okay that 3 utahs with 151 kg can pin a teno with 1,8k but not allo?, isn't it hypocrisy? It seems as if you hate allos, it's weird, besides, 5 utahs can also pin everything and kill him, and not only that, is easier to kill with utah than allo when allo can't pin

in fact the contrary, utahs spin better and are faster and smaller, making it more difficult to kill them

[paper galleon]

rn petit is a bit of a joke, there is a little bit of everything, most of them are in the tutorial (I was not wrong, I know the game doesn't have a tutorial, that's the joke)

[real galleon]

#general-feedback message

This is fricken ridiculous

[narrow cypress]

what they need to do is rework pounce allo and give allo more combos to be able to hunt , without needed pounce , i wish clawswipe more useful and somethings like that , what is clear is that the actual pounce doesnt work and does allo a very boring dino

[jovial arch]

if petits is a joke and bad players play on petits, that's just even more evidence that people running out stam is basically a myth, since if bad players play there and i literally never encountered a single person who had 0 stam, then people who are dumb enough to run out their stam are really just getting what they had coming

I would say your argument really just reinforces my point

if even the dumb players on petits aren't dumb enough to run out their stam, then what are we even talking about?

[narrow cypress]

He said because of the suggestion of muen to nerfed that , in my opinnion if you are dump and you run with zero stam you deserve to die

[jovial arch]

ive been arguing that this is basically a mechanic that almost never happens in real gameplay

[narrow cypress]

only bad player that doesnt know to play

[jovial arch]

i made the point that i've never seen this on petits, and he made the counterpoint that only bad players play on petits so it wasn't representative

[narrow cypress]

in my opinnion why nerfed something that really doesnt care and only in exceptional cases and in extreme situations

[jovial arch]

same dude, i totally agree

[narrow cypress]

53 likes lmao

[jovial arch]

i mean it's been an omni mechanic for a year now

[narrow cypress]

I assumed everyone knew about that mechanic, but it seems not.

like 10k persons doesnt know xd

[wooden agate]

idk if omni is able to pin 400% above his weight

[jovial arch]

it is, it has been for a year bro

[jovial arch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgQ1CcD3eyo&t=2s

[paper galleon]

no no, if I agree with you, I just wanted to clarify that myb saying that u played a lot in petit isn't a good idea because I have met more ppl who don't know how to play than really players who at least know something about the game (am not joking, even dinos of my own kind asked me some things about the game), just for that reason it seems to me that the experience of playing on petit isn't really very good since normally I find ppl who don't know how to play very well unlike other servers, obviously there will be good players but I have found many more bad players there than on other servers xd

[jovial arch]

i think this video explaining it is like 4-5 months after the patch where they introduced it

[narrow cypress]

yep they are able to knock down a stego but i suppossed everyone knoes

[jovial arch]

if the people there don't know how to play very well, then they should run out of stam more

yet even on petits, i never find players who run out of stam

[paper galleon]

have you seen how allo works? well, just like utah, is literally a ctrl+c + ctrl+v, utahs can pin a dibble or teno in the same way as an allo, it's been like this for almost a year, if you don't know, try it if you think I'm lying, try it, but both allo and utah can pin any dino if they have 25% health or stam (I think that's the %) and at least the utahs/allos have 25% of their weight

[paper galleon]

for this reason, almost no one is left without a stam even if they are a new player, it is almost impossible for it to happen that 3 utahs/allos newborns can pin a teno with 1,800 kg, and with tactile endurance it makes it almost impossible to see XD

[jovial arch]

yes, hence why i say clamoring for a nerf is kinda silly

[paper galleon]

it should be remove, it breaks the mechanics of the game literally XD

[jovial arch]

im all about reworking pounce

[paper galleon]

I think pounce is fine, myb increase the % from 25 to 35-40? plus allo shouldn't have pounce

[jovial arch]

yeah that was what i mean

[pliant elm]

Yes. What matters most is the grapple threshold when they are adults or elders. If the devs could somehow reduce Omni Thrashold at that weight, that would be great too.

While the Omnis are faster, they have good survivability, but they still only need one hit to be killed by larger creatures, which are often also very agile, Like dibble

Well, I don't hate Allo. I hate how he is currently

[paper galleon]

the argument is poor, at least you could mask your hatred of allo a lit, please? even I think it should be nerfed, but your arguments are almost always vs allo, a little weird, no?

[pliant elm]

Allo could be one of the coolest dinos, But unfortunately they ruined it. Hopefully they'll change it

[paper galleon]

me too, allo doesn't do what he should and does strange things, it's like rex rn, vs dinos of the same species die because he crushes and kills them inclusive with the same weight (like 1k or 2), wtf? xd

[narrow cypress]

I agree the unique carnivore mid tier should be cool right now is a sh1t

[paper galleon]

hope too, like carno, at least carno is better now

[pliant elm]

Yes, it's quite ugly how they are currently

2 allos can Grapple up to 20 tons, This is definitely not good xd

And 2 Prime Allos up to 28 tons

[paper galleon]

in the same way that cera elder prime can kill trikes elder primes, in the same way that a 9 ton stego can kill 12,3 tons rex easily, will be nerfed at the time, It's obvious that this can't remain like this xd

[narrow cypress]

the full focus on rex and the poor allo is .... I mean some animations doesnt work , the turn sometimes is bug , sometimes you cant run for example if they hit you in the tail , the allo cant run in the shore while other dinos can , The mouth is twisted when it carries prey , The allo wasnt ready for evrima

in all aspects allos animations are to poor and needs to be refined a lot in the next ht

[limber hull]

@ancient musk #general-feedback message

there are literal human structures everywhere including a giant dome that can be seen from half of the map, the concept of boars breaking the immersion is a lil absurd

[sullen steeple]

Do you need to visit a sanctuary y as dieno to get prime elder

[latent olive]

try not to curve around the chat filter please, you don’t need to swear

[latent olive]

clearly those structures are all natural elements

[paper galleon]

and how do I say something is very bad but quickly and in a funny way? XD

[latent olive]

the light posts? just rocks with some shiny, smaller rocks

[limber hull]

probably with a more creative word

[latent olive]

get creative with it

I call people variations of different animals when I want to insult them, for example

[narrow cypress]

bite bite bite Ziggu , because clawswipe only works while running and it it so so hard to run with a dino that stop running 2/3 times , and most of the animations in some ways stopped working .... I mean allo should be in Ht not in evrima

[paper galleon]

I hate fighting with allo, the worst for me is the rex

[paper galleon]

need examples, now!

[paper galleon]

yes but well xd

[sullen steeple]

Can someone answer my question please

[latent olive]

I called someone a rednecked wallaby, another person a funnel web spider, and someone else a rat

[sullen steeple]

Do you need sanc to get prime dieno

[paper galleon]

yes, u need for now, unfortunately

[minor sentinel]

hey, what do you think about Allo's pin move?

[latent olive]

sucks

[narrow cypress]

horrible

[latent olive]

but it’s an allosaurus and I expected it to do that long ago

good thing it’s slow as hell I guess

[paper galleon]

if I call another person a rat myb I look like a 6 year old child xd, myb works, but even if it works, some admin could take that as an insult and delete the message, the rest of the names, although funny and original, the majority won't understand, I need something they can understand

[latent olive]

you misunderstand, by calling someone a funny animal name, it makes the individual feel confused and silly for whatever statement they made

[minor sentinel]

what do you think about my idea?

[latent olive]

for example, in another discord server, someone was getting rather feisty, a little bit angry

i refuted one of their points and named them an eastern grey kangaroo

it immediately confused them and defused the situation as the conversation turned to “why would you call someone that lmao”

[latent olive]

I simply don’t think

[paper galleon]

there are too many ppl who don't even think about what I said and many others will simply ignore it, will put it in practice but I will need more ways, keep me informed

[minor sentinel]

what

[latent olive]

the lizard does not concern himself with brain activity

but more ways to fight back against being pinned = very good

[paper galleon]

as easy as concentrating on his clawing ability, having an attack loaded with claws and myb having an animation in which you scratch the dino with your claws while the 2 dinos run and it lasts 2 seconds?, but it would work better with ambush, although if they do it at least that works as legacy (rex too)

[minor sentinel]

and making it more towards bleeding othan than killing it

[paper galleon]

XDDDD

[paper galleon]

it's like that rn XD

[ancient musk]

ur right i js think dinos would be better or prehistoric rodents

[lethal python]

@lucid robin I have some comments about your feedback

#general-feedback message

I feel like if everybody is prime, nobody is prime, if it's almost impossible to get frail, then what's the point of the prime system, it just turns into the game before the prime system was added but with cooler models

there's absolutely no point to the prime system if everyone is prime

[lucid robin]

eh?

is there not actually a normal elder? only frail and prime?
I'm saying there needs to be a middle ground

@lethal python

[lethal python]

frail is the middle ground

[lucid robin]

how tho

[lethal python]

the other side is subadult

it goes subadult, elder, prime elder

[lucid robin]

ah, well im saying there should be just an 'elder', not either frail or prime

like just a normal, somewhat healthy elder

[lethal python]

but you don't lose stats as a frail elder

you retain them until you're older

and then you start becoming frail

[lucid robin]

hm

[limber hull]

@gentle basalt #general-feedback message

this is honestly a REALLY interesting idea that gives elders and frails an objective with a notable risk and adds more to entombing part of the game, and gives certain animals like cerato a specific spot they love to hang out, or gives carnivores a high-risk/high-reward area for scavenging

like, genuinely, it'd change so much about the dynamic of the game and gameplay across the board

its honestly rare to see an idea so impressively unique and interesting in a sea of repetition, good stuff lol

[lethal python]

it's an amazing idea but i can see this just being camped by so many rexes... it's a great idea but I can see so many ways it can be abused

[limber hull]

i'd probably have more than one graveyard around the map lol

[lethal python]

there doesn't need to be a middle ground is what I'm trying to say, maybe make prime harder to get so you don't need to have to worry about stat differences, only in rare circumstances

[lucid robin]

i just dont see why it has to be either prime or not prime
why can't it be more like a spectrum of healthiness depending on how well you played

[limber hull]

personally i'd scrap the whole "you can't enter if not 100%" because the idea of allowing stuff like a cerato to just thrive in the scavenger's dream world is awesome

[lethal python]

one interesting thing I've been thinking of is having certain buffs depending on what you did during your life, say for instance you travelled a lot, you get a speed and stamina buff, or even you can eat a lot and you get a buff to retaining diets and food, if you fought/sparred a lot you can get a bite force increase

[lucid robin]

yeah. smth like that would be nice

[gentle basalt]

This is why I added the part of it being semi protected like sanctuaries. Sanctuaries can just as easily be camped and often are by scavengers like Herras. The area of protection with bees can have a wider range while the center is where you get the buff for entombing.

[lethal python]

that would be super cool

[gentle basalt]

Id say the problem with that is that ceras dont usually act like scavengers in the past and decide to hunt more often than not. Scavengers would rather eat off an unattended body than fight to the death. If they do become more of a scavenger in gameplay you can give them extra protection from the bees. Extending the timer they can spend in the graveyard but would ultimately have to leave.

[visual hedge]

Could have mud be used as a way to stave off the bees

[pliant elm]

Perhaps create some kind of system involving bacteria, larvae, or something similar that kills any adult/elder that is present Within a time limit, I don't know, maybe 1 minute. And since the Elders who go there are going to die to the Entomb anyway, it would only affect the adults who would take advantage of that

And the Juve or maybe even Subs would be able to go in there without having to worry about that

Or to make any carcass within that Area toxic for consumption by Adults/Elders

[gentle basalt]

I would say subs and adults should be capable enough to fend for themselves without having to rely on the graveyard.

[pliant elm]

Yes, that's true. Perhaps only letting small carnivores like Troodon and Austro enter and eat them as sub-adults

[gentle basalt]

It would be a risk to the juvis since its purpose is to act like a sanctuary for juvi carnivores and a place for elders to die

[gentle basalt]

Small dinosaurs can absolutely wander the graveyard with no issue since again it would act the exact same as a normal sanctuary the only difference is that the food would be for the carnivores, and that elders can enter to die.

[icy lion]

@plucky hearth /unstuck

[junior nymph]

@lone summit its a bug. its happened multiple times before

[lone summit]

it happenes every time

[junior nymph]

ik

because its a bug

i mean this exact issue has happened multiple times in multiple updates

[lone summit]

so youre supposed to be able to pick up small creatures when killing them?

[fiery gorge]

Maybe like a combar debuff similar to bees when you try to aggro. So people inside would just eat

[delicate wadi]

Re: this #general-feedback message @full pewter
You're right in general, but what I will say for Beipi, dryo, hypsi & troo is that I don't think their growth time should be extended. All you need is 4 criteria. If you get:

• Perfect diet
• Visit Sanc
• Never infertile
• No muscle spasms
  You will never need to travel at all if you don't want to, unless you fail one of these requirements before 75%. I've done it on dryo, hypsi, and beipi many times.

I like the fast gameplay loop of these animals, being able to entomb and stack mutations fast is part of the benefit of a short lifespan. That said, I think more fine-tuning of Prime requirements is in order. It should be enormously difficult to Prime an apex dinosaur -- but as it stands, it's objectively harder to Prime a pachy than a rex just because rex has so much longer to achieve the same requirements. In addition to expanding the "small" end of the roster with reduced/different requirements (perhaps to include pachy, otherwise incentivize playing smaller animals), larger animals should also have more criteria to meet to achieve Prime status imo. Having 70% of dryos be Prime is no issue, but 70% of rexes being Prime is horrible for the ecosystem

[surreal obsidian]

U can easily bleed a rex out with stego

• u can outrun rex and u have more stam

[full pewter]

Ok I really need to understand why dying quickly is remotely fun. Like please help me understand. For small tiers especially, where mutations stacked over 3 generations are still not gonna affect any doable matchups. Especially now that speed mutations are gone (good), there are no mutations that are gonna make you feel that much more powerful than your peers.
And for troodons especially. Something I ran into during my pachy playthrough was how we were constantly loosing pack members too fast cause so many people were ready to entomb. How in the heck is anyone gonna maintain a competent troodon hoard without everyone getting old and dying so quickly??

[trail shadow]

I think part of the intention for this update was to limit permanent hordes like that.

A natural time limit means natural cycles and movement

[full pewter]

That is LITERALLY troodons whole game plan!! Not to mention other pack hunters.

[trail shadow]

No argument there. Seems like a different and new direction

[icy lion]

@slate grotto Use Z to make sharp turns

[full pewter]

Troodon going from hoarde pack hunter to…. Rat

[limber hull]

it always was rat, that's why i love it

[full pewter]

Yes, but now having to option to play on hoards capable is hardly an option anymore, purely cause of its growtime

[limber hull]

ive seen hordes on servers just hanging around

[full pewter]

In sanctuaries I assume??

[limber hull]

in highlands

i think they visited a sanc at some point

[full pewter]

And by hoard, I mean max player limits, did these guys kill or threaten anyone??

[limber hull]

personally i didnt really stalk them to see everything they got up to i just saw them running around and letting out their mighty screams

i envied them

[full pewter]

Sounds like typical troodon behavior

But am I wrong when I say packs are hard to maintain when people get old and die too quickly???

This is not a good gameplay loop, it doesn’t make the experience better, I NEED to understand why people like this

[urban flax]

That's what nesting is for
So the pack can maintain its numbers

[limber hull]

go my troolings

[full pewter]

Yea, but then the parents will get old and die in no time

[limber hull]

not if they don't want to

also troodons can nest forever iirc

[urban flax]

That's why the youngs are there

[full pewter]

So the parents don’t get to have fun in the hunt??

[urban flax]

They do until they die

Like everything in the game

[full pewter]

Their growtime is less than 3hrs, it’s far too short of a window

[limber hull]

https://tenor.com/view/onward-bartlings-bart-simpson-bart-simpso-simpsons-gif-4433542352285010517

[limber hull]

as long as i can do this with my nest i will never say im not having fun

[full pewter]

I want the people who actually want to assemble a hoard against large herbivores to actually have that ability to do so, not just dick around going oooahhhhh

That can’t be all there is to Troodon gameplay

[delicate wadi]

For me, it's not about "dying quickly," or "doable matchups" -- when I play tiny tiers like that, with the exception of troodon most of the gameplay will simply not be PVP oriented. "Powerful" is not part of the equation. I don't play hypsi or dryo to fight other dinos, I play it to explore, escape in exciting ways, and nest. Being able to stack 4x hydrodynamic makes hypsi into a speedboat, which is ideal for escaping herras in water for example.

I've seen people talking about how speed nerfs should be removed from elder -- and I agree, this should be done and I think it would solve most problems. If prime tinies get to have a lifelong speed buff, that gives an advantage. But that's related to problems with the elder system writ large; as for the tiny-tier gameplay loop, the entire point is that it's a fast, relatively low-stakes investment. Increasing the growth timer = more investment for a dinosaur that is still a tiny tier and therefore inherently disposable. I am employed and have other obligations, I don't want my laid back beipi grow to now last 4 hours before I can entomb and buff my mutations.

The core problem is that end-of-life decline inherently punishes players for surviving -- even if they play "right" and get prime status

[full pewter]

Yea like stacking hydrodynamic four times is remotely worth my time even for hypsy.
And speed mutations are already removed

[delicate wadi]

I'm talking about what I find fun, not what you find fun. If you like PVP, play literally anything else lol

[full pewter]

I liked hypsy before, now that short growtime is hovering over my head cause of how quickly I reach it. I normally just find people to nest with but I hardly even get time to do that

[delicate wadi]

Anyway, mutation stacking + buffs is more than enough incentive for entombing in my opinion. The fact that Prime dinosaurs still end up weaker than their regular adult counterparts is just adding punishment where there doesn't need to be any; in earlier iterations it was said that the elder system would be functionally "optional" and players who didn't AFK grow would be able to ignore it, but that's currently not the case

[delicate wadi]

But hypsi can nest forever, and it only needs perfect diet + visit sanc once to be virtually guaranteed prime. There's nothing stopping you from sitting in a tree and nesting indefinitely, albeit with "elderly" stats. But for an animal like hypsi, it really makes very little difference. The only animals it could outrun as of last game version were Deinosuchus, Pteranodon on the ground, (these first two don’t count) Triceratops, Stegosaurus, Diabloceratops, and Beipiaosaurus; the speed nerf from eldering is functionally meaningless

[full pewter]

Dondis reasoning to why elders shouldn’t be optional is apparently that it would result in elder clans.
Like imagine a group of rexes waiting for their peers to reach that transition point, then eldering at the same time, then massacring the whole server

[limber hull]

which is completely valid, and there's more reasons too, like people just not engaging with the core loop

[full pewter]

I also agree with him don’t get me wrong, but what does he define as the core loop?

[limber hull]

grow, get old, die repeat in very basic terms

obviously the depth lies in the actual process of DOING that

[full pewter]

Funny how they have to give hypsy a specific exception cause they know it’s growtime is too short

[delicate wadi]

I don't think that has anything to do with what I said, though? I'm not saying there should be a button that says "become Prime elder now" after meeting criteria, I'm saying that if a player pays any attention and doesn't AFK grow, they should not be punished by stat decline -- they should be able to "ignore" the system and abdicate the benefits of entombment if they want to carry on in their current life, unless they AFK'd their whole growth and became frail

[delicate wadi]

Hypsi, beipi, dryo, and troo all have this exception

[full pewter]

Only problem is the actual process has ZERO depth

[delicate wadi]

Exactly

[full pewter]

It’s not fun

[delicate wadi]

I think Prime requirements need to be un-standardized across species tbh

[limber hull]

its, by all means, a sandbox

[full pewter]

Growing. Is. Not. A fun. Process.

[limber hull]

i like growing

[delicate wadi]

I like growing also

[limber hull]

more than like, sticking around as adult

honestly before elders i just found excuses to kill my dino so i could try again

[delicate wadi]

But this is also from the perspective of someone who does very little PvP, and therefore doesn't look forward to doing that in full adult stage

[limber hull]

now i dont have to yippee

[delicate wadi]

I like playing the game as a survival game, not a PvP game

[limber hull]

agreed

ive been leaping around as my prime herrera as of late and having a wonderous time

[full pewter]

I like being able to keep the stats I earned. I liked that my survival time was dependent on my competence AT survival. Not the game telling me when I’m done

[outer yacht]

What do you like about growing?

[full pewter]

“Enjoy it before you gotta start over”
That’s the thought constantly hovering over my head while I play now

[delicate wadi]

I agree -- which is why I proposed what I did about Prime not being a deferred punishment for survival. But that's also a separate issue from growth times imo

[full pewter]

I could survive for 6hrs as a beipi even in spiro, I don’t want the game telling me I can’t do that now

[icy lion]

Then unofficials may be better for your playstyle, since the intended official experience is to entomb and go again

Imo it's not something that needs to be changed with the elder system, it's something that unofficials should be able to tweak as they please

[limber hull]

i mean there wasn't anything to that though

also... you can still do that

[delicate wadi]

For me, it's the Survival Experience™. I play mostly small and mid-tiers, so it's a survival horror type of experience, meeting my animal's needs and not getting eaten, making exciting escapes, and eventually pairing up to raise babies in my old age until the session is over, I entomb or die and start again

[delicate wadi]

You can still live for 6 hours tho?

[limber hull]

like not only can you STILL survive 6 hours as a beipi, but even if you did, like, what are you getting out of that? you're not DOING much

[icy lion]

Half of the point of elders was to stop perma adult infinite deathmatch, decreased stats late in life is part of that

[limber hull]

like that sounds more dull then growing over and over again

[full pewter]

The only good unofficial server is petits peids, and they didn’t change anything.

[limber hull]

because at least with the entombment there's a consistent goal

[icy lion]

Making primes keep their stats, or keep adult stats at the end, is antithetical to that

[icy lion]

I see more and more unofficials go up nearly every week. I have to actually keep an eye on #unofficial-isle-communities for spam now which I haven't done in years

[delicate wadi]

I think that makes sense, it just sucks to feel like you're punished for surviving; that, and Prime isn't special, it's just mandatory. Though I find it trivial for most species I play, it seems like a lot of players actually fail to get it even on herbivores for whom it should be trivial O_o;

[full pewter]

Not really, you loose your stats to where your viability plummets, and you become heavily encouraged to end it

[icy lion]

I can agree on that. I really wanted frail-prime elder to be a sort of gradient

[outer yacht]

Personally I think giving us more things to do would solve player deathmatching far more effectively. More Incentives to not Jill people needlessly, and also more things to do

[icy lion]

Where doing many tasks got you an ok elder, meeting a ton of goals got you a huge prime buff, and doing little to none got you frail

[full pewter]

Beipi specifically looses a bit of speed, but looses a lot more of its power

[outer yacht]

It still baffles me how the isle is basically a PvP game, the only things to do are PvP and nest, and we’re being told not to PvP so much.

[icy lion]

But right now it's a pass-fail system, which is creating a lot of the culture and discourse around it

[limber hull]

see the issue i always see with that is what exactly can you do that falls in the confines of the very simple animalistic mind of "me eat me drink me make baby me die"

like i've seen so many people ask for these new things to do but like

what do you want

you're, at the end of the day, playing an animal and are doing stuff within the confines of what an animal would logically do

[outer yacht]

Give us hidden foods to hunt for, make us defend a territory, don’t spawn in babies all alone without parents so we get more socialization

[limber hull]

"don’t spawn in babies all alone without parents so we get more socialization"

eve system

but in all seriousness, how much do you think this would actually change? hidden foods, i mean, how many people are going to be going for something that isn't "consistent me eat and go back to AFK grow" foods, and territories are... complex to say the least

[outer yacht]

Give us the need and ability to make or claim dens to protect our nests

[outer yacht]

Yea, game mechanics are complex

Obviously make the hidden foods worth it. A whale beached on the shore, honey in the trees

[limber hull]

but with the claimed dens, isn't that just a situation of "big guy walk in, now that territory is forfeit"

wouldn't the territory system just kinda be an apex hotpot

especially given many small creatures wanna be galavanting about

[full pewter]

How would a territory system even work? Especially after a server restart or while you’re not in game.
Like what if you set up a territory, sign out, then another guy logs in and makes his own territory within yours?

[outer yacht]

Would it not incentivize apex’s to spread out into their own territories? Why would it create a hot spot

[limber hull]

"hotpot"

[outer yacht]

Mmmm apex hotpot

[limber hull]

i mean, wouldn't you just have people claim your territory even if you aren't logged out since "me big me want me take"

the raptor ain't defending jackall from the rex

[outer yacht]

Predefine territories, small ones around hotspots, large ones around dead zones. Different territories for different species so they overlap.

[outer yacht]

Okay? Then you go find a new one. That happens irl all the time

[icy lion]

Isn't a territory system just more PvP? I thought we were trying to suggest something else?

[cyan flame]

Isn't the point of a territory mostly to claim it for your own kind, not for others. So both a rex and a raptor pack can share the same area as territory, though they might not like each other a lot.

[outer yacht]

Yea, they do

[cyan flame]

Like, why would I as the rex care if there's a small raptor pack sharing my area, they're not food or competition (unless they grow too large), the claim would be to ensure area with food for me and a rex partner/family

[limber hull]

and even then, if you had a territory, what do you actually get from it?

because, people WANT something

[outer yacht]

Really my point is “look at real life animals” for ideas of things to add. More symbiotic relationships between species for non PvP engagement

[cyan flame]

One way to reach elder outside of the MZ/PZ would be nice, a stationary variant rather than nomad, but there can probably be more things than that

[outer yacht]

The ability to nest

[delicate wadi]

Yes please

[cerulean gust]

The fish bots are bugged, they're not showing up.

[limber hull]

okay so doesn't that make people want to uh

nest less

because people already complain it's too much hassle

[outer yacht]

That’s because, outside of maybe prime? There’s no actual incentive to nest other than “I feel like it”

Like, give us something for nesting. Make it mechanically rewarding in some way

[limber hull]

and then what would that be?

[outer yacht]

If you needed to nest, because that should be the most important goal of an animal survival game, because that’s what animals are evolved for, then that shifts the focus away from PvP all the time and more “let’s avoid PvP because I need to finish nesting and raising my babies”

[limber hull]

you're insentivised to make a territory so you can make a nest so you can get the reward

[outer yacht]

I’m throwing out ideas I’m not making the isle for them, someone can come up with something, I have faith

[cyan flame]

Isn't there already the extra mutations, plus I think it counts as one emtombment or something, so you get that boost too?

[limber hull]

and then if you need to raise your kids, you're insentivised to make a territory so you can make a nest so you can raise your kids so you can get the reward

[outer yacht]

That’s for your offspring, not for you

[cyan flame]

Ah, right, but still something I guess, you don't get it, but in theory you can create a linage like that, and at some point get nested in in the future by family members down the line

Rather than having to go through the full emtombment series on your own all the time

[outer yacht]

That’s not guaranteed though and isn’t exactly a core gameplay loop.

Like, make something that discourages PvP (raising weak tiny babies, better not risk dying), a core gameplay loop, something essential to progress in the game, suddenly you don’t need to just ask people to PvP less, they’ll PvP less because they’re engaging with something else

[cyan flame]

Well, the whole elder thing is supposed to be the gameplay loop, for good and ill. And you'd think people would be less inclined to PvP when they want to reach old age, and then not die before being able to entomb, so in theory that should help. Not that it would be bad with more things to do and in different ways, but I think that might require a different approach to the game and its aspects than what we currently seem to have.

How do you imagine the gameplay loop should look, if you were to design it?

[outer yacht]

Idk, sure eldering is a gameplay loop, but it’s just “do the same thing as before but now start over with rewards that mostly help you PvP”

Bare bones? Spawn in near adults of your own kind that aren’t at group capacity (for appropriate species), socialize and learn until you’re subadultish (large enough to reasonably care for yourself), secure territory if appropriate, find mate, successfully raise young to independence (player or ai, wouldn’t be much point if you had to wait on others to play the game), and because it’s the isle, grow old and die.

Some birds build bowers to attract mates, that could be fun if we could customize them to some degree.

More babies = better entombment? Who knows

[limber hull]

@arctic hornet #general-feedback message

i have absolutely no idea what you're talking about there is literally no limit on dinosaurs unless you're playing on an unofficial server, in which case, it's not really in the devs hands

i assume you're playing on petits, because i have heard it has some kind of population limiter

but if you don't like whatever that feature is, you should probably take it up with the hosts of that server

[cyan flame]

Alright, yeah that sounds okay. Though I'm not entirely sure it would fit Isle players as it stands, but it would probably work out. Being able to "decorate" a nest could be interesting, and just more ways to do something, not just more to do, would be nice.

[outer yacht]

It’s already assumed isle players are a problem right now lol, with the “let’s add mechanics to stop excessive adult deathmatching” bit

[delicate wadi]

It does, popular species get locked and apexes are usually locked so it's not an island full of 87 rexes. But there are loads of unofficials that let you play rex freely, so there is no reason for devs to do anything about it. Also that linked suggestion is 95% written by GPT and therefore inherently worthless

[desert arch]

@proper mantle ptera can already regain stamina by latching, if its above 20% stam.

[halcyon sparrow]

@tall yarrow Deinos vision is only bad as a fresh spawn once you get sub you can see fine also crocs in general are in a horrible state rn

[proper mantle]

did they change that? it used to be 60% im fairly certain

[desert arch]

Logging sounds cool, but idk if its possible, since when you connect to a server youll always load in standing up, so youll just end up falling to your death🤔

[desert arch]

Been 20% since I know it

[thick creek]

#general-feedback message

[covert tiger]

@hot oak I would like to award you the title of biggest and best troll ragebait post of 2026 so far

#general-feedback message
It's genuinely impressive to type that much and have every single thing be wrong lol

[delicate wadi]

Late to this party but adding my two cents -- I feel like it's unrealistic for the devs to be like "Yeah, we don't want players to fight constantly" but then for 90% of the roster, each animal's kit primarily revolves around its combat capabilities. Don't get me wrong, each animal needs to be able to hunt and defend itself, but the primary difference between a dibble and a trike, for example, are their combat values. There is nothing special a dibble can do that a trike cannot, or vice versa. No special environmental interactions, that sort of thing.

I think it's why players of "useless" small animals like beipi, hypsi, and legacy dryo fans who are coping for burrows to be added Soon™ (I am all of these people, plus my three hypsi main friends LOL) are so persistent, because these animals have unique abilities (swimming/foraging, climbing, dodge/burrowing) that help to define their playstyle outside of PVP scenarios. And recent changes like the crab food nerf, or rough/stagnant systems like climbing/burrowing, make those unique niches less viable, not more appealing.

I'm cautiously optimistic about austro being more of an exploration/survival oriented animal with its mobility and foraging, and hope that more future additions from the mid/small tiers (like my beloved Minmi) will expand viable animals that are interesting to play when they're not fighting.

And of course the obligatory disclaimer that the game is an unfinished product, etc. etc., but it's kind of a no-brainer that when the most fleshed-out system(s) in your game are those pertaining to combat, that's what players will do. My personal philosophy would be to expand PVE interactivity and its rewards -- I feel like the elder system is trying to do that, but the carrot at the end of the stick is still primarily combat viability

[brazen galleon]

@icy lion bro stop pinging me in moderation its not my laptop's fault its ur server thats the problem

quit blaming members for ur mistakes

[vernal jacinth]

Oof

[wintry cipher]

Ngl, excepting combat, most survival games have in depth crafting systems to keep you busy. What other activities do similar survival games have that dont involve pvp and crafting?

[icy lion]

Report it in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[delicate wadi]

I feel like improving incentives for nesting & exploration could be one thing. It's been said by others before that nesting benefits primarily the offspring, not the parents -- for many dinos, even if they start right at 50%, it's impossible to gain prime criteria from nesting unless they log and wait for babies to grow. So maybe raising the babies to juvi instead of subadult might be better? Like "raise X babies to 25%" instead of "raise a baby to subadult" would make it more achievable while still being a worthwhile challenge

[wintry cipher]

Oh yeah i noticed that requirement was not possible to achieve almost immediately. Funny enough after a glance up i actually suggested a very basic "territory" system that would enhance same-species interactions a bit.

The benefits for parents technically includes making more packmates to defend yourself with, but I personally dont see that as much of an incentive, especially with randoms. On top of that you don't keep parthenogenesis when entombing, so its virtually a useless mutation between that and the subadult requirement for prime.

I pretty much almost exclusively spent my time nesting in legacy and i notice I just dont have the motivations to nest anymore. Players are much more toxic, skill levels in fights vary and friendly fire can be devastating, and balance itself is much more punishing than before, thus making me have to decide between my young or my own life more often than not

This is coming from someone who nested even when you had to chase ai to the nest and kill it when you couldnt feed your babies via the nest. I love how tough this game is, but its gotten so tough i get less and less wiggle room for enjoyment and more have to focus on pure efficiency.

Babies hatched? Cool break the nest we're moving to sanc. Babies are done with sanc? Cool lets migrate. Baby being noisy? Dead. Im not risking my other young nor myself. Oop now im elder when the baby is 45% and I didnt benefit despite taking a massive risk.

Actually if anything nesting ruins your chances at prime more often than not which is a yikes

[delicate wadi]

Yeah, the current balance grows more and more unforgiving -- and I understand devs wanting it to be a "hard" survival game, but when most of the "difficulty" comes from larger animals hitting you with a 1HKO ultimate attack that will undo hours or even days of progress. 4x entombed prime trike? Broken in 3 bites and crushed to death in under a minute It's battle royale stakes because as mentioned, the most fleshed-out systems are those surrounding combat

[delicate wadi]

Yeah, and most animals can't even nest after prime (at least not much) so the window is tiny and incentives nonexistent

[wintry cipher]

I dont have the time or patience for the larger dinos like trike so most of my perspective is from teno and omni atm. And looking at the carnivores that can kill you as teno right now is not pretty. I'm a 5x entombed teno for the sake of testing just how far i can survive on a single streak atm. (Started dec 23 just havent had time to continue recently lol)

[delicate wadi]

First off, that's based -- teno is nearly extinct with recent changes

[wintry cipher]

Also screw highlands and delta sanc i have survived so much crap 😂

[delicate wadi]

And yeah, I'm a tiny/midtier main. Biggest animal I play is maia xD So I speak as someone for whom PVP is deeply uninteresting. Give me a baller hypsi escape any day, don't care so much about getting kills

[wintry cipher]

Pvp is good to know but shouldnt be the core of the game yeah. Im really hoping they add in more things to do, but its not exactly like dinos can do crafting or base building (hyspi or dryo tho...?)

Beip getting stick dams wouldnt be bad either

[delicate wadi]

Sure they can! (Yes please)

[wintry cipher]

Tldr for the "territory" idea though: as long as you mark a territory, your prime requirements change, so you could change your gameplay between styles based on your age and your species or just because youre bored wanting to try something new

[delicate wadi]

Re: this, expanded locational bonuses and other environmental interactions would also be good. Resting for 1min in a sunny spot improves stam regen for 5min at the cost of a small water drain; non-nocturnal dinos resting for some % of the nighttime gives them a buff to scent range during the day or similar. If you want players to act like real animals, give them more stuff to do that animals do, and reasons to do it.

Or even an account-based profile/currency/etc. -- you gain DNA points in your AE terminal for XYZ ingame actions, weighted towards PVE interactions specific to your dinosaur species. You can do any given interaction 1x per lifetime, which incentivizes entombing. DNA points can unlock different skin palettes or patterns maybe, some non-mechanical benefit. Maybe certain options only become available after visiting specific ingame locations or performing certain actions. It's very far from the standard gameplay loop now, and I understand why we don't want to re-introduce a progression-like system, but something similar with "unlocks" creates an overarching goal not related to PVP.

Such a system might not even be necessary if PVE interactions are just... made more interesting. Especially if we want to avoid the PoT style of questing, which I generally dislike. It would be entirely optional and you would earn DNA incidentally, I'd want such a system to be one that you can ignore, not required for growth. But that's WAY out there and probably not this game's style at all

[wintry cipher]

I can definetly see skins and mutations working via unlocks without even the need for currency. This game doesn't feel like it really needs that, but thats my perspective on it. There def could afford to be more base-game in world interactions and even mutations that let you perform those interactions. Though like you said its still in the pipeline. Hopefully with dinosaurs speeding up like the devs said that might give more opening for new gameplay activities to be added. Seasons like wet seasons and dry seasons could also change how maps work too for more depth

I know kissen hinted that patrols are intended to do more down the line and in a past devblog nesting grounds were mentioned again. So hopefully other things like anomalous plants and the like might crop up to show off the other things in the concept art like the metallivore vines. Imagine if a trike ate those and got an armor boost or damage increase to be able to match what carnivores can do already lol. Would certainly give more competetive motivations to herbs

[delicate wadi]

100% -- a swamp-green palette being unlocked by visiting X area of swamps for example would be more than enough incentive for exploration without having to deal with currency. Would be neat if it was per-dinosaur, so it's not just one and done

I would also be very much interested in nesting grounds yesyes Make nesting relevant again in any way possible tbh

[wooden agate]

nesting grounds are cool but they have to be done kinda carefully

i wouldnt mind if there was a system where pre selected parts of the map could naturally form into nesting grounds over time, and then decay back to their original look after 2 hours or so. but anything static just turns into a hotspot for carnivores to go and camp

or, easier, just slap nesting ground buffs into MZ

[delicate wadi]

Honestly slapping nest buffs into MZ would seem like the smartest thing

PZs seem a bit inconsistent this patch but there's still not a big reason to go there over PZs except dipping in and out for Prime

[wooden agate]

PZ is far too personal for nesting grounds imo

maybe minor nesting buffs but nothing near what you would get from an MZ

[delicate wadi]

Yes, that's why I think they should be added to MZs to give them incentive over PZs, since currently PZs are still better/safer than MZs for most herbis

[wooden agate]

i do think it would be somewhat interesting if there was a way to use PZ'z to bring male/female dinosaurs together

to have some value to nesting from them without being objective buffs

[fiery gorge]

@thick creek i think that the physics for the dinos falling is being worked on. They will each slowly get a sliding animation for falling down slopes.

[outer yacht]

Hit the nail on the head 😭

[devout pendant]

@lethal python would they stack or only one?

[lethal python]

only one

[devout pendant]

I think the eating a lot could increase your weight instead

[lethal python]

hmmm but then that would be an issue for carnivores

especially deinos

[devout pendant]

Deino needs a rework :/
(Not that your point isn't valid)

[delicate wadi]

For consideration: mutations that unlock only on the subsequent lifetime. Same as how multichambered lungs requires you to travel X km within that life, buff muts that only unlock after entombment. However... I have mixed feelings about speed muts, since those were removed for balance reasons, reintroducing more speed muts seems like it might not be the best idea

[lethal python]

I think you're right on that one, I just needed to put my ideas out there yk

[delicate wadi]

Ye I get you xP Plus there is some internal inconsistency with Prime speed boost/nerf shenanigans, the balance is in shambles already, but the less complicating factors the better probably

[lethal python]

perhaps just a stamina buff then?

[delicate wadi]

I would endorse a stam buff, or something subtle like fall damage resist -- or perhaps more manageable to make it be trot speed (not sprint speed)?

There are probably scenarios where those would be equally unbalanced though so it might just be recreating the same issue

[lethal python]

def not trot speed

imagine a rex with even more trot speed

what I want

is them to either make prime harder to get or smaller, more niche buffs

or maybe even both!

@leaden ibex the colours already get faded depending on your blood level and how much damage you have taken

[hot oak]

only 7 days in surely it can't be the best xD What was incorrect tho?

[toxic flicker]

is anybody else getting a high ping EVEN THO there in the respective nationality server, like i live in the US and joined a US server but my ping is still terrible, so is my friends

[proper mantle]

@mild sundial who is amarok and what is the IK system

[blissful atlas]

amarok is zanorak, one of the programmers for the isle. (he usually does AI i believe)

[proper mantle]

ah ok, I know who zanorak is, do you know what the IK system is?

[blissful atlas]

THAT i do not know 😅

[icy lion]

Inverse Kinematics, it makes feet dynamically plant onto the ground

Right now we just have base terrain alignment

[proper mantle]

so that would just be a visual change pretty much? just how we stand etc

[icy lion]

Pretty much yea

[proper mantle]

thank you both!

[full pewter]

Is anyone else loosing growth when relogging into official servers?

[daring talon]

#general-feedback message

alligators and crocodiles can grab animals much larger then themselves when those animals are swimming, since they have traction (tail paddle, webbed feet) and the other animal usually doesnt (hooves, no tail fin, no webbed limbs)

[stray nest]

Can some1 explain to me why ALL F2s have cooldown instead of the most recent ones, the ones you stopped recording just now?

[ornate pewter]

#general-feedback message

Swamp would be much more reasonable to visit if getting out of it wasn't such a pain.

[winter hawk]

hearing chickens cant see them

also deer got bit like 8 times and didnt die

hits me once and i nearly bleed to death

[final silo]

what were u playing and how big

[winter hawk]

rex at 25%

[urban flax]

So fresh spawned ? No wonder you lost

[winter hawk]

i mean fair but i cant see chickens, i can hear them but the model isnt appering, i needed food and thought i could harrass a deer

apperintly not

[urban flax]

Yeah I believe AI isn't meant to be free food anymore
Which is a good thing

I mean the invisible chicken isn't, it's a bug

[final silo]

yeah no wonder u got diddled by a deer

[limber hull]

i thought i was going insane but are chickens actually invisible

that explains a great deal

[final silo]

i did see them after following their sounds for a while

[limber hull]

i did find a chicken very recently

like an hour ago

[humble timber]

you literally cant hunt rabit and chickens visually, you need to listen, they are just too small

[covert tiger]

Pretty much everything my guy, let's go line by line.
"Same issues" - nope, most of the previous bugs are gone.
Gameplay loop previously was not there, now it's finally here and a lot of fun.
Graphics and night vision are much better.
Survival is definitely not just eat drink don't die. There's a lot of situational awareness needed now.
"Pin slop / ability spam" - what? Bro just go play legacy I guess. This is literally the best part about evrima. Combat isn't a tail bite fest and actually requires commitment and consequences and ways to secure kills now, whether it's stuns or knockdowns or pins.
The PT changes are absolutely fantastic.

It is, in every definition, a fun working game with a few minor gripes that are fixed over time.

[winter hawk]

idm the ''not free food ai'' thing, but my issue is seeing an allo the same size as me already killing 3 deer and a boar and a goat

[winter hawk]

but i do like that hunger and thirst last longer then 3 minates before death

i can heal and rest and accualy move about

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message
"Semi aquatics like cera less unique"
Cera isn't a semiaquatic...

[limber hull]

cera is a semisemiaquatic

clearly

and allo and rexes are semisemisemiaquatics

[normal shuttle]

Ah yes ceratosaurus

My favorite semiaquatic creature

[sudden hinge]

Cera is definitely more aqua oriented that’s for sureeee

[delicate wadi]

Yeah, I agree with the feedback to remove water alt attack -- but just because cera has good swim speed doesn't make it semiaquatic xD

By this logic troodon is also semiaquatic, and herra is not because its swim speed is dookie

[indigo gulch]

compared to what, a hypsi?

[wintry cipher]

I believe i remember the logic for those was stated in the past to be how an animal behaves if pushed to fight in water or if it will flee. Teno for example cant alt claw attack in water even if it would be able to do so; so it "flees".

[delicate wadi]

Hypsi swim speed is kind of goated actually, good escape from herras

[indigo gulch]

yeah rare hypsi W when it comes to performance

but still, cera being a semi-aquatic makes no sense X_X

[indigo sentinel]

When will an optimization patch be released? I can run Cyberpunk on ultra settings, and it's already poorly optimized, and it still won't run properly. This is ridiculous...

[daring talon]

Why does my feedback keep getting deleted bruh

Your hitboxes are terrible the video was relevant its not a bug

[narrow cypress]

@errant depot you have prove allos agility ??? I mean try a pvp vs something and later writes again

[errant depot]

slide

you can drift on a dime

[narrow cypress]

yep very useful vs dibbles and things like that

[narrow cypress]

try 1 vs 1 with allo vs dibble and later comes back and write pls

[paper galleon]

@errant depot i aggre rex agility should be nerfed a bit but bro, rn allo don't have, play it XD

[errant depot]

Unless it's changed in the past week, I have played it lol

[paper galleon]

Yeah, dilo have too, dibble, pachy, etc, but don't work for allo, I mean u need to run to use ur claw attack, besides with the drift can't pounce well, I mean it XD

[paper galleon]

Try it again please

[narrow cypress]

right now allo is the second worst dino in terms of agility why nerfed something that is awful

carno , cera , rex , omni , herrera have best agility

[errant depot]

I do agree that the claw attacks needs to be easier to use. Maybe that would make people rely less on the pounce. I also don't want allo to be awful to play. Personally, I've only struggled to fight apex tiers will allos so far when it comes to agility. I can't dodge a stego to save my life on that thing (but stego can just spam swings so-)

[narrow cypress]

to play vs dibbles for example is very but very hard to win the back with a dino that doesnt turn and with some animations bugged , I mean nerf more the turn only would allow you to use the pounce because the rest would be useless.

[paper galleon]

Yup, I think allo need more agility and rex less bcs don't need a lot

[errant depot]

I've only fought 1 dibble as allo and it stayed in spar mode the entire time so it got melted. They are very rare from my experience with rexes around, so I can't give any input on that 1v1 specifically. Every dibble I do see is usually being mauled to death by a rex in that moment.

[errant depot]

I'm just afraid of overtuning allo to the point where all medium/small tiers can't compete.

Rex and cerato are both too agile imo. Rex especially has no business being able to stand up and headswing as fast as it does on top of also being able to easily stay behind trikes with little skill involved.

[foggy field]

Dibbles are pretty much extinct with how fast ambush speed is and how slow are dibbles

[pliant elm]

Allo agility is fine for his tier and wight. Allo shouldn't have the same agility as Cerato or Omni

[sudden hinge]

I mean it’s better at being in and around water than a lot of other playables

I’d be okay with it getting a dive even

[pliant elm]

The problem is that they're comparing Allo agility to Rex, when Rex is actually more agile than it should be

And this ends up making Allo seem to have terrible agility

[paper galleon]

I didn't say the same one that cera but even dibble has better agility because can take advantage of drift while allo can't, besides cera weighs almost 2 tons and has very good agility xd

[narrow cypress]

i remember you that prime ceras weights 2t

[pliant elm]

Cera doesn't weigh 2 tons anymore

[narrow cypress]

1.950 xdddddddddd

[paper galleon]

1,900 is almost 2k XD

[pliant elm]

It used to be 2.1t

That's something

[narrow cypress]

i mean is cera is more capable to kill diablos than allo lmao xd

[paper galleon]

they raised it to 2.1k to simply test

[pliant elm]

Although the correct would be 1.8t.

[narrow cypress]

with 400 damage the charge atack and his agility xd

[pliant elm]

It always will be. Cerato is something that doesn't quite fill its niche properly

[paper galleon]

likewise, almost 2 tons and cera's agility as if it had 1k

[paper galleon]

for now

[narrow cypress]

a scavenger that is better than the unique mid tier awesome dondi

[pliant elm]

Cerato should suffer the speed reduction penalty immediately upon activating the charge bite

[narrow cypress]

facts

[pliant elm]

That would make him less of a hunter

[narrow cypress]

in something we agree finally

400 and without speed penalty and with bacterias are a really incredible combo to kill every mid tier herb and the allo that right now kills the cera thanks of the fast bite without that allo would be a meal for cera

[strange wave]

@tawny lake it does have drinkable water

[wintry cipher]

Drink under the bridges

[indigo gulch]

it does NOT need that x)

[proper mantle]

@tawny lake Port does have fresh water

[delicate wadi]

Based

Even if it's just an animation for jumping into water and it can't actually dive at will, that would be cool

Its O2 is bad so probably would be no point xP But allowing it to slap its big tail and do a jump out of water would be cool

[sudden hinge]

I think it would be cool to give it more water based gameplay nothing crazy but giving it elite fish as a diet option and like a shallow dive, more O2, and alittle underwater vision would be solid

[delicate wadi]

Honestly submarining as cera is fun, run out of stam and walk on the bottom

I remember hunting elite fish in north lake as baby cera because I kept getting my butt whooped by deer and boar

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

i love the people who finish their posts with "anyone who disagrees with me is unemployed and a glazer"

like do they think people will go "damn by hitting x i guess i lose my job"? nah brother people just don't agree

[fiery gorge]

@tawny lake port has had water for some time now. Lots of herbies stay there for the two nearby mz. Maybe the lack of mz made it more dead since its a thng for prime

[icy lion]

@sage notch

[sage notch]

i still hate it

[vernal jacinth]

Well at least now there’s an explanation to the shortage of color. So we can all still look like filled baby diapers. 😑😑😑

[limber hull]

@small furnace#general-feedback message

that wiki is entirely community run, i have no idea who actually owns it but the devs have nothing to do with it

i'd suggest just not using it because whoever is adding info to it has a consistent habit of getting things wrong or outdated lol

[small furnace]

Good lol, I didn’t know that it was community run

I will never look at that wiki again lol rn says trike does 750 damage with “stomp” and takes 6 hours to grow

[limber hull]

yea lol

it's better for if you're playing legacy (but apparently it get things wrong even about that branch lol)

[limber hull]

also... what?

i only just noticed that message wtf

not only is that anology weird and gross but i have no idea what it means

[halcyon sparrow]

i still have to agree with you almost every dino looks the same atleast rex back in the day had different crests

[viral abyss]

pretty sure it's gonna get an update but I also dont see the reason to make the skins ugly for now

[vernal jacinth]

Literally what it means with the limited colors.

[sweet scarab]

I do not dislike the allos grapple to pin mechanic, but i do hate how a single allo can deal a ton of bleed damage in a single pounce. I would much prefer if allos pounce was a way to effectively slow down an animal until backup arrives rather than dealing damage the whole time. Essentially, it holds on only until the pin mechanic is initiated

This would make allo players rely much more heavily on the other attacks and only using grappling as a niche tool

[willow parrot]

@tawny lake #general-feedback message There is drinkable water in the port

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

i swear people want allo to be something it isn't

allo exists to hunt big things and moderate apex populations in packs, that is one of its main identities

removing pounce removes the best "kill big thing" tool in the entire game (it's why literally every dedicated big game hunter seems to have a pounce lmao)

you're immune to counterattack while latched, you can apply damage and bleed the whole time, you keep up with the prey and act as a distraction

claw-swipe is good, sure, but it's good for fighting other midtiers, not so much for punching up, which again, is allo's thing

honestly i think a lot of people just want alberto out of allo

this hypercompetent mid-tier animal that fights within its own weightclass and typically wins on its own but gets outclassed by larger species

allo is like, the opposite, it's a mid-tier that struggles solo against other midtiers but thrives in groups and can take on even the largest species in the game

[narrow cypress]

really mr para ?? you had played with allo vs and APEX? It cant do nothing !!!! Pounce doesnt work on stego and with the agility of allo is imposible to kill it , trike can very easy oneshot it because trike have best aceleration that allo and with the broke hit box can easilly kills you and rex ? A 5t rex can easily kill a 3.7 allo?? What apexs? LMAO you are talking like if we have more mid tier carnis and allo is the unique one we are gonna have in years !!! dont expect alberto until 2029 xdddddd

[narrow cypress]

if you give a kit that doesnt depends of a uniskilled mechanic would be a lot better i mean if allo have pounce good but shouldnt be his unique way to hunt

[limber hull]

imma be real man if we're talking from a 1v1 perspective AGAIN even though i explicitly mentioned that allo can do this in groups, i genuinely weep for your ability to actually comprehend anything i say

also making allo act more like alberto because we don't have alberto seems uh

weird

its not like cera should dive just because we haven't got bary yet

giving an animal another animal's niche because that second animal isn't in yet is a really, really weird design choice

[narrow cypress]

it is imposible to win apexs with allo be serious , stego is broken and with the poor agility allo CANT win even in groups , rex is practically the same and trike it is trike .... , So from your point of view pounce is a good mechanic press rmb and wait no? I mean for me sure not allo is one of the most popular dino i know is a apex hunter but right now doesnt have the tools to be a funny dinno , they could have done multiple kits for allo to pvp apexs but rightn now is a copy paste from omni with bad agility

[narrow cypress]

yep very fair 10 years of game without a carni mid tier very fair to the multiple herbis mid tiers to dont have any body that control his population

[narrow cypress]

cera and bary are low tiers btw

[narrow cypress]

what is the niche of allo? die from apexs die from mid tiers ??? i mean be serious in all the years left in the game will be only 2 mid tiers allo and alberto and until alberto comes 2029? 2030? you are gonna follow release apexs and top dinos without a mid base? i mean with the arrive of quetzal , para , spino and camara , 3 apexs and 1 sub apex without a mid carni decent that doesnt feel like a mediocre dino that isnt enjoyable to play

[narrow cypress]

you said like the alberto will come 2027 xddd when the true is that without it only we have allo at mid carno and has to have a good kit to fight and control the population of the mid herbis

[limber hull]

okay??

first of all, i dont know if that's even true, second of all, i have absolutely no idea what that has to do with anything

like i guess good for you that you think they're low tiers, whatever that means, but idk what your personal internalised tier list is lmao

[narrow cypress]

well one is a scavenger and the other one is a low tier , sucho mid tier and spino apex always was like that and always will be

but yep better waiting 5 years to release alberto for you than giving a decent kit for allo good to know

[limber hull]

okay, again, fail to see how this is relevant to my example

also bary's niche isn't "low tier"

[narrow cypress]

that not the topic we were talking but ok, in your point of view , is better to have a mediocre mid tier that doesnt hunt nothing and we have to wait other 5 years to have a mid decent than release a decent pack from the unique we will have no?

if your answers is yes i can agree you hate carnis

because they force you to play rex and if you dont play rex you wont hunt nothing , so all the niche goes for rex that is fair no?

[limber hull]

from what i've seen, allo is not only performing extremely well based on community discussion, but is one of the most lethal creatures in the game, but sure man, it "doesn't hunt nothing", and is so dominating it is probably the currently most complained about animal in the game

or maybe the issue is that you can't hunt nothing with it atp

also i don't hate carnis, my favourite animals in the game are carnis

i don't even play stego and trike unless it's like, a personal challenge, i find their gameplay and growth so dull

oh and dibble feels like ass so i don't play that one either

[narrow cypress]

i have hunted bad trikes and bad rexes with it , but is not the way a dino should follow , i mean the 2/3 times you do pounce you died becuase is bugged xd and in the other way is not fair for small creatures to lost his dino without fighting only with one rmb without skill

[narrow cypress]

yep but the solution is to reduce the rex ambush allowing dibbles to survive

if you increase dibbles speed would be very easy to hunt down allos and ceras so the key is reduce ambush of rex

[limber hull]

Allos and ceras would still easily outrun dibble lol wdym

i do love how you always leave allo out of the conversation when talking about why dibble is bad, when its very much allo screwing them over too

[narrow cypress]

very sure if you increase dibble speed , you would do that with tactile endurance that gives dibble a lot more stam than allo and cera a dead sentence for him , i mean the key is to reduce rex ambush nothing more lmao

[limber hull]

remove tact too? like brother i dont like tact

[narrow cypress]

i mean very fair no?

[narrow cypress]

that would be good

[limber hull]

i think gaining free stam for getting hit is OP

and really unfair for hunters

[junior nymph]

5 years*

[narrow cypress]

5 years we have and the other 5 until alberto release jshhshshs

[junior nymph]

nah wait till 2028 mate

[narrow cypress]

all herbis would hate that Mr para

[junior nymph]

also why freak out about pounce now?

[limber hull]

no they wouldn't lol

[junior nymph]

we literally saw it pouncing in the concept art

[limber hull]

many herbi players agree its a crutch

[junior nymph]

we have known this for like ages

[narrow cypress]

stegos will cry , maias same

[limber hull]

we've literally known it'll pounce for years

[junior nymph]

yea they havent been very silent about it

like hey guys allo pounce everyone goes "oh cool" and now everyone is like "SOUND THE ALARM MAYHEM IS UPON THY"

like we all knew why grapple came for raptor

[limber hull]

again, they fixed stego's stam, so that's their problem, and who cares if a small vocal community cries about it? people cried about speed muts being removed too and those muts are still dead

[junior nymph]

we were all literally predicting allo would come with grapple

so why change its whole kit

the animal is literally meant to hunt camarasaurus

[narrow cypress]

literally the other day was a suggestion with more than 80 votes xd , for most of us , pounce should be a little more skilled than press rmb

[junior nymph]

I dunno why you replied to that when it was saying we knew it would have a pounce and grapple

[narrow cypress]

2026 kentro , bary and austro , 2027 quetzal , ovi? 2028 camara and para? 2029 spino , that is my prediction

[junior nymph]

that prediction is most likely way off

[narrow cypress]

i mean the problem is not that have grapple it that they implemented in terms that you didnt need skill to use it xd

[junior nymph]

knowing in that all 3 of the first creatures are done apart from balancing and putting in finishing touches, quetz is full steam ahead, cama and ovi are pretty much animation complete, I say we see spino 2027

the reason we took so long last year is because both trike and rex were super complex

[narrow cypress]

wow you are super optimistic

[junior nymph]

no I just read what is said

cama maybe a christmas present is all goes well honestly

[narrow cypress]

and they need to finish allo most of the animations are very poor , drift doesnt work some times , the body sometimes is bugged and the head is bugged when carrying a prey

and rex they have to fixed his alt

[junior nymph]

wdym fix alt?

[narrow cypress]

the back alt is animation very very strange

[junior nymph]

its very quick

[narrow cypress]

i dont think devs want something like that

[junior nymph]

but all that literally needs to be changed is a quick number change but go on

and allo honestly is being messed up by stats and thats sometimes why some issues appear with it, again a quick fix, same with the obdy being bugged and head being bugged

the core issue I find with allo is just the pounce cant really latch to its pounce position

[narrow cypress]

yep i have lost more than 10 allos because pounce doesnt work xd

[junior nymph]

I thought you didnt use pounce

[narrow cypress]

now not but in the past yes and with rex and stego didnt work sometimes sjsjsjjsajjajaa

and to the lobby to rest

the atack more i used is the claw i really love it

[junior nymph]

good on you

[limber hull]

@pliant elm if you reduce rex's sprint, you also reduce its ambush speed at the same time with how it works

[fiery gorge]

Also the engine switch. They needed to do a lot of pptimizing and even more.

I think well get bary austro kentro all during the first half of 2026

[junior nymph]

easily

[fiery gorge]

Also they arent as complex as rex no sparring and stuff. Austro was more complicated to animate accdng to kissen but its done.

[limber hull]

yea

the most complex we'll see on the planned roster is Spino, who's at the very end

quetz will likely pull from ptera now that ptera got its flight rework, camara might be a struggle given it's the first sauropod and the likely biggest animal we're getting for a LONG while, para can pull from maia's mechanics

[tired quest]

notice that they are trying to improve some AI behaviors
like deer will gradually approach the river, and rabbits will hop in circles to avoid disappearing into the woods.
there are still many issues with the current AI.
like land AI can sense a Deino slowly cruising underwater, rabbits are coded like compies and will gather around corpses, and deer and boars sometimes do a full 360 no scope on juvenile players

[paper galleon]

With 2 tons or more is mid tier, carno isn't a mid tier in the game rn and his diet it's only low tier basically, cera with 1,9k is almost but is overpowered and need to reduce the weight so xd

[limber hull]

okay, again, i have absolutely no idea what this has to do with anything

[paper galleon]

?XDDDDD

[junior nymph]

yea

[paper galleon]

I'm not even going to answer, I'm going to save ur mess and next year will tag u XD

[junior nymph]

ok

im just hoping ya know?

instead of dooming

but I guess ave it

but yea all im saying is we arent just getting the three this year

[paper galleon]

what? bro read what you said, camara according to you is going to come out in 7 months or so at most, para in 10 months (counting that bary, kentro, austro and ovi come out in 2 weeks according to you? XD) so they can start with spino, you think that the rex and trike took a while because they were very complex? rrike is a ctrl+c + ctrl+v of dibble, rex was the only one that did have a lot of work, also why do you think they have made changes to the ptera? you think that not complex just because it's small? quetzal same, bary, kentro and austro are also complex, although the one with the least is austro and kentro, but you think the camera will be done in a few weeks?, you really think spino doesn't require work?, but even if they are less complex, it takes time to finish it, according to you they are going to make like 7 dinos in 2 years (speaking of course that camara, quetzal and spino will done in 2 years)

[limber hull]

austro actually takes the most work according to devs out of bary/austro/kentro

also it's done

[paper galleon]

I'm not saying no, but the following ones are too big, for ovi to come out they need to make a change in the nest system, camara is so big that maybe they will need to change parts of the map, quetzal is flying, that'sn't easy, although para is more developed still is a very big dino and spino same, will need the same pampering as rex

[paper galleon]

I mean they still have to finish them, the model itself is done but things like underwater night vision not

[limber hull]

how do you know the water vision isn't done in-engine?

also they can be added with current water vision

[limber hull]

also flying isn't easy? we got an entire ptera rework which they're gonna use as the baseline for quetz

[paper galleon]

and where is the easy part? XD

[paper galleon]

yeah, cera and dibble it's exactly that

[limber hull]

what?

[foggy field]

A change to the nest system would not need to be too drastic tbh, out of all the upcoming ones only cama and spino are somewhat complex

[foggy field]

Uh?

[foggy field]

Dibble needs its speed back

Heck, even if dibble is made 38km/h rex in its current ambush speed still would be faster them it

The only moment dibble is bit less stupid is when it reaches peak prime and gets a somewhat decent speed

[narrow cypress]

yep an giving it wings so anybody can kill it

[foggy field]

Dibble would still be slower them allos and ceratos

I dont see what is the issue here.

[narrow cypress]

that with tactile endurance dibble would always kill both of them very easy lmao the prey becomes the hunter xd

more damage more stam and similiar speed very fair

[foggy field]

Tactile needs to be removed. And also it only gives dibble more stam if you hit him.

[narrow cypress]

yep that it is called hunt xd

[foggy field]

Tenos are less them 1km faster them allos and ceratos

[narrow cypress]

that is another niche and in my opinnion teno should weiht 2t and run a little more

[foggy field]

Dibble being 2km slower is more them enought for allos and ceras to run from it

They would only really fight dibble if they choose to

Maia is much faster them allo and currenly deals more damage them dibble and still is in the game.

[foggy field]

Maia can choose to end any cerato existence if it wants to

[narrow cypress]

so in your in your opinnion dibble shouldnt have real predators right? i mean in the life allo could win dibble and with the incredible acceleration that dibble have knocked down very easy the allos , so your point of view buff the dibble to anybody can kill it

[foggy field]

How making dibble faster would make if have no predators?

Allos and ceratos are still faster them it

Omnis and dillos too

[narrow cypress]

rexs cant hunt it , allos cant , ceras cant xdddd

[foggy field]

You want to 1v1 a dibble even with its current speed has a allo you are Gonna lose, its a good damm ceratopsian

[narrow cypress]

so living a good life

[junior nymph]

@bitter dove the hitboxes on certain bushes are bugs

[foggy field]

How tf allos cant hunt it?

Like fr it is sounding like skill issues

[junior nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-gif-4169442390448293969

[foggy field]

O no dibble is 2km faster now its imortal

[junior nymph]

lmao

[foggy field]

Bud forgot that currently prime dibble already reaches 38km/h and its not unkillable.

[narrow cypress]

allo needs to be a pro to kill a mid dibble right now is a 90% for dibble and a 10 for allo , levyathan pls try 1 vs 1 vs dibble with allo and later comes back to call

[foggy field]

THATS IS IT ALLO IS NOT SUPOSED TO WIN A 1V1

[junior nymph]

honestly

allo shouldnt win a 1v1

[foggy field]

Dibble is MADE TO Excel in a 1v1

Its a ceratopsian

[junior nymph]

me when the animal that is good in 1v1s beats the animal that is good in groups

who would have guessed

[foggy field]

EXACTLY LOL

[narrow cypress]

so the dibbles can be more than allo in packs and yoy are saying that allo needs more than 1 to win xdddddddddd

6 dibbles vs 3 allos

[foggy field]

Thats how herds work.

[narrow cypress]

very very fair xd

[junior nymph]

these are some of the moments where I think Man the devs shouldnt make the community have a say in how things work

[foggy field]

Thank god

[narrow cypress]

i love this herbs main that want that anybody hunts it xd

[foggy field]

6 dibbles are out of 3 allos league. Thats by design

[narrow cypress]

it is incredible

[junior nymph]

main is a wrong word, play is a right word

[foggy field]

6 dibbles are still in danger from other animals

[junior nymph]

I play all creatures, I dont have favorites I just see man this isnt right

[foggy field]

2 allos can maul a lone dibble

3 can kill 2

Allo will just not win a 1v1 agaist a strong 1v1 creature

[narrow cypress]

1 alone dibble xddddd , all the herbs goes in group so the solution for carnis is ???

[foggy field]

Not all.

[narrow cypress]

i wish devs not only consider herbs suggestions btw

[junior nymph]

solution is.... walk away, there will be others

[foggy field]

Even so there is still lone Wolfs out there. + smaller herbs or loner bigger ones

[junior nymph]

they dont

you are clearly looking throught tinted glasses if you think they do

[foggy field]

They consider all suggestions

Some just make more sense them others

[narrow cypress]

yep like someone saying that a pack of dibbles running a 38 should exist , without predators living the good life

[junior nymph]

I swear this community reminds me so much of the DBD community

they use stuff like carni player and herbi player as insults like how the DBD community uses survivor player and killer player as insults

its so petty

[foggy field]

Oh yeah making dibble faster would make it not take bleed or damage from Ceratosaurus; alllos , omnis , dillos and rexes

[narrow cypress]

sure sure

the solution is nerf rex ambush and that all

and dibble will be playable

[foggy field]

The fact that dibble already reaches 38 only at elder but still can be killed just prove you are dead wrong

[narrow cypress]

who kills dibble??that is all , the solution is nerf rexs ambush

[foggy field]

Allos, ceratos and rexes kills diablos the most

Even when it is at 38km/h

[narrow cypress]

only if the dibble have a big skill issue

but very very big

[junior nymph]

cerato, dilo on occasion, allo in a 2, carno on occasion if they have a group of 4, any rex that is over 5T, omnis, troodons on occasion (trust me) , deino.

[foggy field]

O yeah he being 2km faster makes he win agaist 2 allos that can ista pin it, or 5 ceratos

[junior nymph]

literally none of those matchups change if you give it an extra 2kms

[narrow cypress]

2 dibbles vs 3 allos who do you think wins? for me sure the dibbles

[foggy field]

Exactly

[junior nymph]

it literally had that last update NO ONE WAS COMPLAINING

[foggy field]

☝️

[narrow cypress]

allo have the baddest acceleration in the game if you buff dibble that would make that no allos cant win dibble

[foggy field]

The fact he can still reaches that speed back on elder stage and 0 people are saying elder dibble is op

[junior nymph]

its literally no that it gets nerfed and its some big thing that made diablo OP (even though it wasnt) you are literally just wanting your fantasy of me allo me claw dibble dibble die as it cant run

[junior nymph]

it literally doesnt but ok

[foggy field]

This is just fake news

[junior nymph]

bringing in false info doesnt get your point across any better, it just makes you look more like a fool

[foggy field]

Of 38km/h dibble really made it that op people would be saying to nerf its elder

[narrow cypress]

Yes, I've fought a lot against Diablos and I know that many times the dino itself, if it gets hit in the tail, goes through the animation of being hit and doesn't run.

[narrow cypress]

pls informed before speaking pls

[foggy field]

What is our source them bud?

Your feelings?

Look at game files and tell me

Allo has not the worse aceleration

[narrow cypress]

having done more than 100 pvps dibbles and i can tell you that does happen xd

[foggy field]

And again.

[narrow cypress]

i have told you that the bad acceleration in combat is because the animation of the hit that does and do that allo stop running

[junior nymph]

make a sentence that makes sense PLEASE

[narrow cypress]

you can try it

[foggy field]

???

[junior nymph]

I know you arent fluent in english but like

[foggy field]

My man thinks that dibble being faster all allos will die lmao

He already hits 38 at elder, the issue is how slow dibble is at adult, 34/h for a 3 ton animal is way to slow

[paper galleon]

who said that? also if allo is made to kill trikes, rexes and stegos, dibbles no bcs u want or?

[foggy field]

Ceratopisans are made to be 1v1 gods

[paper galleon]

down to 35 at 100

[narrow cypress]

they are herb main they doesnt think ziggu

[pliant elm]

Allo does this in a group

[paper galleon]

and?

[sudden hinge]

Dibble and trike should turn a bit better

They feel way too stiff right now imo

[foggy field]

The 1v1 animal will be the better one at fighting a 1v1 them the pack hunter?? Is that simple

[foggy field]

People forgot that.

[paper galleon]

from what I see there is a lot of mononunal today, good nights

[pliant elm]

How do you expect the Allo to have a 50/50 fight against something that is 5km slower?

[paper galleon]

6 dibbles in a group, ppl forgot that

[foggy field]

All herbs have larger groups sizes them carnivores... just like you know nature?

[narrow cypress]

They are donkeys they dont think his dino main should survive always anubody can hunt it xd

[sudden hinge]

Dibble should win more often then not in a 1v1 since it’s a bit slower

Like allo shouldn’t be walking over any ceratopsian over 3 tons

[narrow cypress]

allo never wins alone xddddddd

[paper galleon]

like in nature to be able to defend themselves because they can't do it alone 1vs1, u know that?

[sudden hinge]

As it should be lol

[foggy field]

Oh yeah a lone bufalo will always gets killed by a single lion

[narrow cypress]

yep ceras hunt better dibble than allo , xdddd good for you

[pliant elm]

Most herbivores are capable of defending themselves in real life, they just don't have the intelligence to understand that

[foggy field]

Agaist Maia it Can, agaist dibble very unlikely since fighting 1v1 its his thing

[pliant elm]

Buffaloes and zebras are the main

[narrow cypress]

vs maia it is true that can , never spoke about maia xd

[sudden hinge]

A single lion can kill a buffalo but that’s uber rare and not favoring the lion in the slightest haha

[paper galleon]

a zebra dies vs lion, there are many types of animals, as you can see, in nature they also run, not here, carnivores should do it a little stronger so that they can use the group

[foggy field]

Giving dibble more speed would not change any match ups, just help it not being so slugish to play and have a better chance agaist sub rexes

[narrow cypress]

yep dibble should live a live without predators very fair for the rest

[pliant elm]

A zebra can kill a lion with one kick

[foggy field]

I never said that.

[sudden hinge]

Usually but they can definitely kill a lion with a timely placed kick or in some cases if it makes it to water they’ll try and drown them lol

[paper galleon]

in nature they don't have tactile endurance to be able to get energy to run if something comes or if they need to run long distances to eat, which is why they usually run rather than fight to receive a wound in which they can die

[foggy field]

I dont know why allosaurus would be so scared to fight a animal that is slower them him he can just run away if he is not in the advantage and atack when he has the advantage

[pliant elm]

Real-life herbs don't have the intelligence to understand how strong they are, so they depend on groups, Except for the elephant in some cases

[sudden hinge]

In all seriousness using nature as an example only goes so far since these are people playing animals. In nature the predators have the advantage that most herbivores are terrified of them and choose to flee first rather than fight it’s not the same in the isle

[foggy field]

Tactile and damage mutts are all stupid and need to go

[sudden hinge]

Facts

[paper galleon]

he never has the advantage, that's the problem, plus it'sn't like he can hunt much more xd

[sudden hinge]

The speed ones were worse the damage ones are a bit annoying but not as bad imo

[foggy field]

99% of the community is complaining how stront allo is i only see like 5 dudes saying allo is weak

[paper galleon]

obv, what I'm saying is that they depend on more factors, fighting is sometimes not a good idea as I said before

[sudden hinge]

As a solo player mostly I hunt what I can if it’s a tough playable that could lead me to be near death or dead I usually won’t hunt it juveniles and subadults exist I focus the young because it’s a safer hunt

[pliant elm]

The main reason it also needs to be removed is because it favors some more than others... (Cerato...)

[sudden hinge]

Hell I scavenge most of the time when I’m solo

[foggy field]

I think people mostly are playing solo allo, trying to solo dibble then failing and complaining that the pack animal is not has strong alone

[sudden hinge]

That I can agree with the low hunger damage one especially works great on cera

[paper galleon]

allo has good bleeding, but he doesn't fight well vs his diet, and the only thing ppl complain about is the pin, not the allo itself xd

[sudden hinge]

Allo is very strong when you hunt correctly solo

[foggy field]

Allo can kill every animal that is his diet no problem

It just works better in a group

[sudden hinge]

Trying to hunt large dangerous prey on your own is a risky endeavor that usually leads to your death so I wouldn’t do it haha

[pliant elm]

By some very strange coincidence, all the "Meta" and "Broken" mutations seem to heavily favor the cerato xd

[foggy field]

Are people really saying allo is weak? Like fr?

[sudden hinge]

I mean they favor any playable that can use them

[pliant elm]

Yes, but the Cerato benefits more from them than any other dino

Speed mut (when it existed), Gastro, Hyper, Hemomania, Prey Drive...

It almost seems like they made these mutations with the Cerato in mind

[paper galleon]

u havent see good fights then xd

[foggy field]

O i have, even manage to kill a prime rex with 2 more allos

Its not that hard, you dont need to hit himall the time to make it bleed just be patient and allo can kill pretty much almost anything, especialy in the open

[pliant elm]

Saying that Allo is weak when Allo Grapple threshold is 20 tons with just 2 allos..

[limber hull]

imho, the best buff you can give to any ceratopsian is giving their alt-attack CC

as it stands, they have no actual way to punish anything that isn't a 1v1. Ceratopsians also have pathetically slow and choreographed alt-bites, so it won't be an unfair and sudden stun, you can easily bait it out and punish it

honestly, this simple change could be everything to changing these extremely biased matchups

if you see them in spar, you know that they'll keep their head to you, but they won't have an alt-attack, meaning you can punish from behind

if they aren't in spar, you can better move around them, but they do have an impactful alt to punish unaware carnivores

[quasi oyster]

Guys, do You think there is a perfectly Balance dino Who does not need a nerf or a buff?

[foggy field]

Pachy has them them to great effect, tbh is W change

[narrow cypress]

and omni 8tons

[foggy field]

He can kill MUCH larger animals them him with some patience

His bleed is crazy good

[pliant elm]

2 Omni can Grapple up to 3.1 tons

But the Omni is more fragile, despite its agility, so it's easier to kill

[limber hull]

yea, it works great on pachy

[wintry cipher]

Teno technically still is that dino its just very underwhelming atm. It can outrun just about everything it cant fight, and if it has to fight a skilled player is lethal (looking at teno v carno and winning a 1v3 in the open)

However past 90% you better hide. Dropping to 30km in speed is no joke

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

lol lmao

"They have no natural predators. They sit in trees where you cannot hunt them and they rarely cannibalize."
They get out of the tree, you can kill them. Also quetz is going to be a thing

"They kill by one-shot and cannot be battled/fought."
So does deino. Also not everything needs to be a fight

"They often don't even eat the bodies they kill and instead spread out to gank anyone trying to drink water across the map."
So does deino (again)

"They server to simply ruin player's days and offer nothing positive in return except for the sickos who play them."
They exist to make sure you are paying attention and to add a unique threat to a survival game. Also, they're fun to play.

"They aren't even scientifically accurate/possible (show me one 385lb animal that can regularly fall 50-80+ feet without injury lol)."
Neither is omni, dilo, hypsi, troodon, cera, carno, rex, stego, galli, pachy, beipi, etc. It's a game. Realism was never the core goal

[eternal orbit]

Quetz is SOMEDAY going to be a thing, they just spent an entire year on rex/trike/allo and they are still buggy as hell.

Like I said you can atleast dodge a deino AND the life of a deino has it's own hardships including super long growth time, starvation, and cannibalization

Deinos need to store it because they dont know when they'll get another kill, i see herreras with piles of 10+ bodies just killing to kill.

Until they make it easier to look up in the game and the camera is not in your dinosaurs butt simply to look into a tree they are too hard to detect. And yes griefing is always fun for those who do it in any game

Most of the dinosaurs are atleast somewhat realistic save dilo clones. Everything else can feesibly exist because they simply bite and scratch. what's not realistic about that?

[limber hull]

You can dodge a herrera, way easier than you can dodge a deino too

They have to like, launch themselves in a whole-ass arc and if you literally just walk away from where they think you'll be, they miss

[eternal orbit]

yes thats if you're trying to bait out a jump, IF you see it, but a lot of trees completely hide the dinosaur in it like the tall palms, they literally are under the leaves you cannot detect them.

[limber hull]

Same with deino, if they are under the water, you cannot detect them

Same design philosophy

Except deino is harder to detect

Because it's fully covered by water, herrera can still be seen even through the leaves

[eternal orbit]

If herrera takes 8 hours to grow and they often eat eachother ill stop bitching about it

[limber hull]

Herrera doesn't have the benefit of tanking the hits deino can, it messes up its ambush and gets counterattacked, it mostly just dies

Also if you're in the open it's just useless

[eternal orbit]

yea same with deino if they're in the open their useless, and omnis in the water are useless but none of those dinos fight there because of that

[limber hull]

exactly, dinosaurs have their preferred environments

[eternal orbit]

99% of your interactions with a herrera will be him falling on you and insta-killing you or missing and scurrying back up a tree

every other type of interaction is in that remaining 1%

[limber hull]

same with deino

like i genuinely think you just don't like ambush preds lol

[eternal orbit]

yes but you didnt read anything i just said about deino

no, rex is an ambush predator, allo, deino, carno

all ambush predators and all make sense

[limber hull]

carno def ain't an ambush predator lol, that thing is pursuit

[eternal orbit]

like i said yes deino is similar to herrera except it is waterbound and takes 10hours to grow if it doesnt get eaten by another croc first

[limber hull]

i mean... it's 8 tons

herrera taking as long as deino is a weird point because it is squishy as hell

deino has the benefit of tanking hits if it fails

herrera just gets crushed if it gets countered

[eternal orbit]

...

you just like be annoying and redundant. if anyone else has anything to say about herrera i will talk

[limber hull]

i just think removing an entire animal because you personally dislike it, despite it being considered extremely fun and unique by most people is bizarre

yea, it can kill small tiers fast, but it has to otherwise it can't hunt and it can't eat

[wooden agate]

i feel like he pretty much said it all

[arctic panther]

is it just me or is prime harder to get? im a cerato and i had perfect diet, visited a sanc, visited around 6 pzs and 3 mzs, no infertility and no muscle spasms. am i doing something wrong or is prime just harder to get now?

[eternal orbit]

Im just saying the difference between Herrera and Deino.

-Both invisible dinos
-Both can 1 hit

-Deino
takes 8hours is waterbound
`constant cannibalization.

-Herrera
takes 1.5hour
can climb any tree, rock, mountain, or buidling in the game
no cannibalization.

[vernal jacinth]

Yea still no.❌❌❌

[eternal orbit]

they have stated so many times how they're trying to create a living ecosystem, and then you just have this thing that nothing can hunt or kill and hunt or kill anything smaller than a fullgrown cerato

in realife there'd atleast be some fat snakes that would eat them in the trees or something. I also don't think quetz is ganna get them because what are they ganna do flydown and check every tree in the jungle?

[frank notch]

Theres a counter to herrera, look up.

[limber hull]

Deino:

• Exceptionally tanky with some of the best bleed res in the game, making it near immune to bleed attacks
• Can use the water to escape basically anything that COULD threaten it
• Both silent and invisible underwater
• Can get RIGHT up in your face before the ambush, near guaranteeing a hit
• INSANELY high kill potential, able to kill adult stegos while adult and even adult rexes and trikes when 100% prime elder
• Can eat rot, bones and their own kind

Herrera:

• Punished HARD by jumping dinos (ESPECIALLY OMNI)
• No defensive power at all, killed by basically a light breeze
• Far easier to detect (both visible in trees and makes audible noise as it traverses)
• Requires a specific travel time for actual high damage, if it doesn't go from high enough, it likely will not kill
• Max animal it can logistically kill is an elder dilo or wounded/young versions of larger animals
• Can only eat fresh meat

Like I feel it's disingenuous to frame your argument the way you did because I can just do the opposite and now herrera looks super weak by comparison

[frank notch]

^^^^

[vernal jacinth]

Couldn’t have said it better myself 👏👏👏

[eternal orbit]

can't walk around just staring up at every tree the entire game, and i said earlier maybe if camera angles were better looking up would be a little easier

[vernal jacinth]

Naaah I like it the way it is. Keeps you on your toes if you fear the water and the trees

[frank notch]

the more unpredictable your movement, the harder it is for herreras to predict. If you stand still you will likely die (depending on dino and growth), if you walk in a strait line you have less of a chance of them jumping you.

[limber hull]

also if you pretend you didn't see the herrera, it'll often deliver itself as food lmao

it works... shockingly well on herreras

[frank notch]

EXACTLY! (ive done that a few times lmao)

[limber hull]

they're convinced the ambush will work and then you walk like, 5 steps to the left and then murk em

it's VERY funny

[foggy field]

• its elder weight is a big joke, 200kg more only

[frank notch]

Herrera is a weaker ambush preditor aiming for small to small mid teirs.

[eternal orbit]

like 80% of all active players are somewhere in that kill range at any given time and yes if you know the herrera is there you can bait them to do some gangster sht or whatever but like i said 99% of the time they get away, how often are you guys out here killing and eating herreras? seriously is this a daily thing for you to kill herreras?

[frank notch]

right now, most servers are allos rexes trikes or stegs. Or collosal raptor packs.

[eternal orbit]

yea but at somepoint you have to eat, or drink and the animations are so slow you can do that on the move

[limber hull]

every time herrera pounces, it's forced to put itself out of the safety of whatever its actually clung to

herrera is also really badly countered by groups, that's a good point

[frank notch]

if theres a corpse thats an obvious herrera trap, use it to bait them

[vernal jacinth]

PoT is even slower

[frank notch]

use the trap to trap the trapper lamo

there are a plethora of counters to it, in all honesty it just seems as if you're mad about one killing you.

[eternal orbit]

so you just cant eat any corpses in the game anymore

[frank notch]

bro..

[eternal orbit]

can i upload a video in this chat?

[limber hull]

dude you trick them into thinking you took the bait and then they take the bait and then you kill 'em

the double bluff

[vernal jacinth]

#videos-and-streams

[eternal orbit]

#videos-and-streams message

unseeable in the palm tree

[foggy field]

• if you are simply running or moving often is not so easy to hit

[eternal orbit]

checked for herrera

[vernal jacinth]

And that’s how us herras like it. We are the ninjas of the trees

[eternal orbit]

yeah well i hope all that meat was worth it cuz it totally ruined the night for us

dude isnt even eating any of it

[wooden agate]

all im seeing is a video of a herrera pulling off a kill that is exactly within its favorable conditions

something to distract on the ground, decent cover, etc.

[limber hull]

that might be one of the best herrera kills i've seen

he timed it PERFECTLY

like he knew exactly when was the best opportunity

[foggy field]

Herrera is one of the most balanced dinos in the game tbh

If anything its elder is too hard to get

[wooden agate]

i cry everytime i think of the pain that is juvenile herrerasaurus

[eternal orbit]

how do you avoid that besides not eating corpses that are anywhere with 100feet of a tree anymore

[foggy field]

He and PT should also start with 1/5 tasks done

[limber hull]

juvenile herrera is only saved by the fact it can eat fish and kill like

chickens

[eternal orbit]

you can't see him, and he 1hit ko

[wooden agate]

how do you avoid a deinosuchus ambush

you a) find a safe spot (in herreras case, away from a tree) or b) find a spot thats not likely to have them.

theres always going to be a bit of inherent luck with ambush hunters

sometimes you're going to get got

[eternal orbit]

okay herrera is a great dinosaur and they add so much to the game for all other dinosaurs and really enrich the ecosystem

[wooden agate]

i dont think anyone was insinuiating all of that, just that theyre really a non issue

[foggy field]

Herreras rarely even kill me

[eternal orbit]

in my opinion their biggest strength is getting more people to play the game because of all the youtube shorts herrera trickshoters

[foggy field]

Most of them miss

Even if you move a tiny bit

[wooden agate]

if you hate current herrera you'd REALLY hate herrera when it actually consistently worked

back before climbing was hell and hitreg was hit or miss

[wispy cobalt]

To be fair a group of PT with the right skills could kill a herrera in a tree or on the ground, I would say they are the only thing to worry about in the trees. However, the thing is with Herrera they are best used as a third-party situation, say for example you are watching carno fight and one peels off because its sustained too much damage (carno has terrible bleed) you can position yourself to get the kill if you aim for a headshot. Even if they survive you can track them down until they bleed out (if you are lucky).

Herrera has it a lot harder than you think, if you aren't a sanc camper that is.

[pliant elm]

@eternal orbit Herrera is the easiest Dino to avoid being killed by him. If you know the map and where the Herreras are located, you'll never die to one again

Not to mention that Herrera in this update is completely awful and buggy, so there's no need to worry about knowing the spots either

[wintry cipher]

I guess at least it gets something. Beip got 0 now lol

[foggy field]

This is a crime

[wintry cipher]

Also in regards to herrera; ive killed plenty by simply being observant and moving away so they decided to go on the ground only to end up clawswiped mid tree climb. Plus some are just dumb and impatient. One could have avoided me noticing it entirely after i killed a carno and was drinking water and aiming to leave, but i guess it mistook the scars on me as me being low health when i wasnt (id survived a big cerato fight earlier and healed up)

Which reminds me...

[normal shuttle]

And honestly the fact that Rex and Herrera rely less on luck is what makes them better designed

Alongside other factors

[delicate wadi]

Honestly it's very easy to avoid a deinosuchus ambush if you have decent map knowledge/positioning/awareness (or at least it was before the turbo lunge bug(?) was introduced)

Safe drinking spots were reduced somewhat with the map changes, but there are still plenty of safe places to go. Part of the "skill" of avoiding deino encounters is a much longer game of being able to manage your water until you get to a place where you can drink safely. Most of the times I get deino'd, I neglected my water and had to rush in desperately to avoid taking damage, rather than being able to carefully consider where is safe to drink

@idle flame #general-feedback message

I am pretty sure this is planned for Eventually™, but peripheral systems like that are a loooong way off

[idle flame]

i wish ❤️

i need this so much :d

[delicate wadi]

It was mentioned once Ages ago, but I don't think it's expected until after full release (so in 2037)

Tho I agree it would be very nice to have, I like achievement hunting too

[wooden agate]

im hoping most of them are "Reach Prime Elder with X" and unlocking a specific pattern for that animal

alongside some exploratory achievements

[lapis swallow]

@barren zephyr holy balance nightmare

[barren zephyr]

😂

[final silo]

what exactly was your thought process there?

[barren zephyr]

It’s hard to become fully entombed and when you do you are still the average elder size so if you was to get into a bigger battle with other elders then other than the extra muts they can beat you but if your size was just bumped up just a little then your hard work would have a very helpful benefit also people who are fully entombed should have some visibly noticeable feature or features to tell the difference right? Maybe if not size then a more mean or dangerous look like larger claws or spines down the back it’s just an idea it can be modified in any way or form to make it more balanced for the purpose of peoples sanity 😂

I’ll just copy this and put it into my original post for some content 😂

I’ll try to make some concept art to show after I finish the pfp I’m working on

[lapis swallow]

Keep this one in the kitchen, it would screw over every balance aspect of the game and would probably take too much time for something basically every player would hate anyway

[fiery gorge]

The isle is a survival horror game. The adrenaline from never being safe is one of the best things about the game. Herra was one of the best additions to the isle. Deino already made drinking water scary, with herra you have to be constantly cautious. When eating a corpse you need to be hyper aware or at least take turns eating if in a pack. Herra dies if it misses the shot. I have been murked several times as an omni and dilo so im super cautious with every free meal now. Stuff like pygmy pond is NOT free water 🤣.

@eternal orbit

[barren zephyr]

Ok suit yourself 🙃

[flint vortex]

ive been playing for a bit, and not 100% of the time but at least 90% of the time i log out, its still running, i close steam completely, its still running somehow?! id really like to be able to close to game normally without having to restart my computer every time.

[icy lion]

Try the fix in here #announcements message

You have to do it while the game is completely closed

[flint vortex]

none of that made sense, i dont see what you want me to do its 7 am i just want the game to close

[icy lion]

After the game is completely closed, run the EasyAntiCheat_EOS_Setup.exe in the EasyAntiCheat directory in the game files

[flint vortex]

1. im tired none of this makes sense still, 2. i shouldnt have to do extra steps just to close a game-

[icy lion]

Right click the game in Steam, hover Manage, click Browse, double-click EasyAntiCheat, double-click EasyAntiCheat_EOS_Setup.exe. No, you shouldn't have to do extra steps, which is why the devs are fixing it. This fixes it for people who still have the issue

[fiery oriole]

love the new grass❤️

[slender fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/upisnotjump-grass-gif-734070806075104823

[blissful atlas]

#general-feedback message

they're gunna work on the rendering distance:
#isle-discussion message

[ripe spire]

I swear they keep "fixing" things that were totally fine and break them even more

[wooden agate]

i mean this with the utmost respect but what

the (now old) grass was one of the most common complaints graphically

[craggy sorrel]

whats up with the game being literally unplayable

[ripe spire]

was it? I don't remember this

[desert arch]

@craggy sorrel try deleting your config folder. The game updated its engine several times recently

[eternal orbit]

i think the best way to keep fullgrown dinos away from sanctuarys is to put them deep inside the jungle where FG dinos dont like to go either. im looking at you West Rail sanctuary which is pretty much in the middle of highlands lol

@true remnant

[wooden agate]

it was a pretty common complaint, alongside lighting.

not the biggest issue obviously but ever since the (old) grass debuted during Trike HT i think most people generally didnt love it

[craggy surge]

Does anyone have problem that health bar dont update?

bc I dont know if thats in game or its my settings

[wet glade]

it the game

[sly sleet]

I think its because the UI is still somewhat of a WIP iirc

[magic cedar]

I have been tyring to get on the gam e, yet it keeps popping upö as Offcial Network Status Offline...i even reinstalled...what is happening?

[ripe spire]

this basically proves my point. some of these ppl actually want to change the grass back to how it used to be. As I said, they keep breaking more things than fixing them.

[craggy surge]

servers are on maintence

Look on announcements

[magic cedar]

I cannot see unoffical servers either

yet my friend are actively playing on them

streaming it

[sly sleet]

Yeah, thats been happening for me too after the update. I think you might just have to relaunch the game or something (cant remember exactly how I fixed it)

[magic cedar]

I re-launched, i re dowloaded..im honestly lost on what to do

[delicate trout]

just chill for a bit servers are messed up

[true kettle]

just wait. servers down on maintenance. nothing you can do

[magic cedar]

If they are down how come im looking at my friend actively playing on unoffical servers? 😊

Through discord stream

man...

fun

[true kettle]

because the developers can't fix their game

properly

[magic cedar]

Alrigty

Thanks for the replies

I hope u all have a blessed evening

❤️

[wooden agate]

one person asked for it changed back in those messages lol

notice how as soon as new grass was shown off around a month ago, we got people asking for the new grass rather than continuing to ask for the grass from Pre-HT

[ripe spire]

What they ask for regarding new stuff is irrelevant. They also asked for Allo and that thing is broken as hell. This argument doesn't change the fact that they mess up things with every update. I mean just look at Ptera, how many more steps back do we need? Now they added new grass in all of this mess, as if this was a priority.

[wooden agate]

you telling me to look at ptera when its in the best state its been in since spiro is certainly a choice

[ripe spire]

the best state its been in?

are we talking about the same Ptera?

[wooden agate]

but also, the community doesnt get to decide what is and isnt in need of a rework/fix. thats not up to us point blank period, this is not a crowdfunded game. if the devs want to rework UI, they can absolutely do that while also working on other parts of the game. if they want new grass, new grass is going to be added.

[wooden agate]

thermals, a complete rework of the flight that has it feeling much more fluid and natural (it was basically a RC drone before), spearfishing, an incoming ground rework alongside a weightbuff

stamina buffs as a whole

[ripe spire]

so? that doesn't mean I'm not criticizing a game I have paid for. What do you expect? People just sit there and nod to every messed up change?

[ripe spire]

Ptera's flying speed is abyssmal + they removed momentum which honestly noone can understand

[wooden agate]

no one is saying you cant criticize the game, by all means go ahead. but to say "grrr devs shouldnt fix things 💢 " is just weird because again, that is flat out not our decision lol

[wooden agate]

momentum was barely a thing before the flight rework, and ptera carries it a helluva lot further than it has since spiro now

and yes its flight speed sucks if you just sit there and expect to glide places. engage with flight and you might actually get somewhere pretty fast

[ripe spire]

yes I can say that. I can say they should fix the things that are obviously broken in a product that I paid money for. I say that whenever I want

[wooden agate]

but you know for a fact theyre working on those things, so im confused lol

[ripe spire]

wtf? momentum wasn't a thing? what are u even saying?

[wooden agate]

you can go back and check videos. momentum really wasnt a thing for ptera after spiro

atleast, not to the degree it has now

[ripe spire]

actually I don't

there are so many things in this game which remain unfixed to this day

things that are not working properly for years

[ripe spire]

bro you could gain speed and MAINTAIN it, saying that wasn't a thing is just wrong

[wooden agate]

not really, no? again, you can go back and check videos on this lol. pteras flight speed was just fast as hell back then to begin with

[ripe spire]

yes really

I played it myself

you could dive and speed up and then glide across the map with that speed

I don't need to watch any videos on that

[wooden agate]

you didnt keep that speed though, you just quickly fell back to your base speed lol

[ripe spire]

NO

[wooden agate]

that was one of the biggest complaints about pteranodon before its recent reworks

[ripe spire]

this statement is wrong

[wooden agate]

you saying "NO!!!!" does nothing

[ripe spire]

you only lost it if you changed direction

you could set a course and glide with increased speed for as long as you had enough height

[ripe spire]

and that's also not true

noone complained about that

people complained about its stamina, not the fact that you can glide with great speed

[wooden agate]

you're not reading what im saying if you think i just said "people complained about pteranodons glide speed"

and if you're not reading what im saying, you can just talk to yourself lol.

[ripe spire]

you said momentum wasnt even a thing

???

[wooden agate]

yes... people complained about momentum not being a thing.

in what literate world does that = "people r upset about pteranodons glide speed :("

no, people were upset about the fact pteranodon carried no momentum with it. there was a whole debate about it in #isle-discussion months ago before the rework. but again, if youre not going to read what im saying, theres no reason for me to engage with this

[ripe spire]

then I got things mixed up. Ptera used to have momentum. The people complained because it was removed!

People complain about this still because you lose your speed WAY too fast

before that Ptera didn't lose speed at all unless you were forced to change direction

I don't know for how long you play this game but momentum was 100% a thing. It wasn't really realistic becasue you wouldn't lose that speed but whatever, it was still 1000 times better than what the devs have done to it

[rocky seal]

Hi, having same problem, tried this didnt work. Any other solution? Cant solve even turning off the computer

[real galleon]

#general-feedback message this sounds more like someone who got their cerato killed by a herrera and decided it's gotta go-

Technically, by your logic Hypsi and Dryo ALSO don't "give anything positive" to the game, especially hypsi- who IMO is the even more "useless" and "annoying" dinosaur, it can ALSO sit in a tree, and does something even more annoying than fall on top of you, it spits in your eyes 30 thousand times, and is able to literally refuel itself with about 10 seconds of grazing and then can repeat the process. It can't get into 1 on 1 combat either, spends most of its time in a tree, or spam calling after blinding you, Herrera adds competition to younger and smaller dinos, making life of a juvenile and or troodon more difficult, it makes you more aware of your surroundings and sound cues, just because it can't kill a carno in a 1 on 1 combat scenario, doesn't make it useless

They're not useless just for having different playstyles and more fragile lives, they're enjoyable for those who don't want to spend their life growing a massive dinosaur, and want a more calming experience, this is coming from someone who mains the smaller dinosaurs, I rarely ever come into 1 on 1 combat, and because of this factor, I'd rather play something that can easily escape and hide rather than lose 3 hours of growth because 20 full grown rex's come along to kill my idk- allo or something

In conclusion, herrera isn't going anywhere, and probably isn't going to be made "more accurate" because this is a game not a fully accurate Prehistory simulator, so leave herrera and the other small beans alone

[zenith sundial]

Ok so i gave feedback and it got removed. "No more server maintenance on Friday's and Weekends". wonder why it got removed

[real galleon]

Sounds like a mod disagreed LMAO, but yea no, I'd agree with you there, when people are most likely to be off work/out of school, worst time ever XD

[wooden nebula]

@zenith sundial they removed my feedback too

[zenith sundial]

Still weird to just remove it and silence the feedback xD

[wooden nebula]

Literally just happened to me😂

[real galleon]

Yeaaa, a certain moderator enjoys removing people's valid feedback-

I've noticed a pattern

[icy lion]

@wooden nebula@zenith sundial We expect posts in the feedback channels to be constructive and descriptive. Your post failed to comply and was removed

[icy lion]

Yours specifically was for bypassing the chat filter with swears

[wooden nebula]

Bruh I just wanted to play the damn game😂

[wooden nebula]

😂😂😂😂💀

[zenith sundial]

That Moderator needs to be fired, the people can vote if they like the feedback or not.. Thats how the community can help improve the game and experience. @icy lion are you kidding me hahaha... the literal text was
"No more server maintenance on fridays and weekends..... blyat "
so much swearing 😂

[wooden nebula]

@icy lion in the flesh

[zenith sundial]

@icy lion how was it not constructive... people seemed to agree with me

[wooden nebula]

“That’s not constructive enough”

[wooden agate]

why are we pretending that isnt the russian word for the F word

which would break the bypassing filter rule and the english only rule, lol

[real galleon]

I think those poor dudes just got muted, poor souls 💀