general-feedback-discussion

[normal shuttle]

I THOUGHT HE WAS BANNED💔

Sorry bro

[robust fractal]

Jesus christ the simping is another level, i guess self respect is a word youve never heard of. Seriously, these devs could release their next 3 dinos behind a 20$ paywall and yall would still defend them😂

[urban flax]

redditor spotted

[limber hull]

no, they didn't do that, but PoT did

remember that? that was fun

[wooden agate]

LMAOOO

[normal shuttle]

They wouldn’t do that, let alone at this point, but I wouldn’t. That was a terrible attempt at poisoning the well

Why did you have to resort to that instead of actually addressing points, including two facts that you got wrong?

[normal shuttle]

That’s brutal

I still recall that

They backed off I think? But it’s still madness

[limber hull]

genuinely shocking you'd use that as an example while saying PoT is better than this game lmao

They did a great job of erasing the Tyrannotitan incident from the collective memory of their community

[normal shuttle]

While isle devs rebuilt the whole game for free for the older members of the community

And refuse to put any micro transactions

[limber hull]

they backed off because they realised just how bad of a decision it is

[normal shuttle]

True

[wooden agate]

no they went through with it for like an hour and then fell back and said something along the lines of "we'll communicate decisions like this better in the future"

so basically, expect to be sold more dinosaurs at some point

[limber hull]

Dondi was quite literally quoted saying "every game is too expensive nowadays. My game is 20 dollars, it will never stop being 20 dollars, full release or otherwise" (paraphrase but still)

paid DLC is discussed with hesitance, but is typically described as after the game is 100% done and it will be effectively adding a brand new roster and gametype

[wooden agate]

10 more years for dlc

i cant wait to go through the concept stage again with you all

[normal shuttle]

I remember punch talking about that years ago when marine reptiles were brought up

[wooden agate]

3 concept arts every WEEK, phase SIX every WEEK, oh its gonna be great

[normal shuttle]

That’s insane

[wooden agate]

i cant do it again if dlc gets shown for this game after release you will not see me here until RELEASE DAY

[limber hull]

also, unrelated, but im pretty sure the dude pinged, called you a simp and then immediately left

which is really funny

[normal shuttle]

And meanwhile with the isle

I paid 20 bucks for 2016 progression, and still got all of survival and evrima for free

Bruh

[normal shuttle]

Crazy willful ignorance

And he was an Elden Ring fan too 🥀

(Im a maniac when I’m not playing the isle)

[limber hull]

also yes, this is true

they are going to do it again, no doubt

the idea is now there

[normal shuttle]

Bro didn’t even have the decency to concede that he got wrong the update times and whether the isle is more alive than BoB

Why am I still surprised that people in online arguments just refuse to take any fault

He unironically said Bob with its 1k active players is more alive than the isle currently with 7k

[proven river]

Oh boy this feels like it'll be a juicy read

Time to scroll up I guess

[normal shuttle]

Do so

[wintry cipher]

Tbh a good DLC concept would be a fully aquatic variant with humans surviving on tiny islands and oil rigs and using boats to navigate. And then everything else is underwater along with important resources for the humans. But thats a long ways away if they did that, but would def be a neat one 😂

[proven river]

It was very funny

[proven river]

Hey! Elden Ring is a good game! :(

[pliant elm]

I can understand complaining about the Trike, but about the Stego? Lol

[cyan flame]

@solid shadow Both of them can avoid trike if needed, stego especially.

[pliant elm]

Rex kills a Stego extremely easily

[cyan flame]

Rex, granted, have to eat trikes, but it can fight them too from what I know, more or less well. Stego has no need to fight a trike, at least not currently.

[vernal path]

Don't get on the ground then

[cyan flame]

I'm pretty sure you have ways to fight trike that doesn't involve getting knocked down. Though I could be wrong there, but there seems to be plenty of rexes capable of killing trikes, and vice versa. And stego can just avoid trike, so it's not an issue.

[pliant elm]

Spam crush and fracture trike

[vernal path]

easy to do, you have a sprint button bait and move bro

[cyan flame]

Rex is pretty agile too, I think at least

[limber hull]

also i dont think a fg trike can knockdown a fg rex, same as in the elder matchup

[fiery hill]

He prolly got knocked by an elder, which it cant even fracture

[livid ember]

Rex fractures same size trike in 2 crushes

[inland vigil]

#general-feedback message feedback is writing channel now?

[wintry cipher]

Trying a unique way to make the suggestions in it stand out more. 🤷‍♀️ (looks like it did if you commented! XD)

Currently logs are just barriers that help small dinos escape big ones. Can be a source of food for theri. Whetstones to sharpen claws is a more popular one used both for barry and trike too. Farming rare plants would make hypsi and dryo more frequently played to interact with diets and base building, etc etc

If the game is a life cycle you need to look at how to make all stages of that life cycle entertaining. Thats been one sticking point for me that being a baby is boring, hell lifecycles are cool, but boring atm

[vital laurel]

@indigo notch

[inland vigil]

I didn't get gameplay mechanics from reading it so you might want to add that tldr to the end

Thought it was just prose

[wintry cipher]

Cant. Not nitro and its 1 off too many 😂

Thats a good point but ive already had to nix some stuff so ig it is what it is

[viral abyss]

that rex is 9t +

if you are both prime you cant get insta pinned

early game is hard for stego

[viral abyss]

then u need to decrease trike to rex needs that mobility trike still does way more dmg then rex with trash

[cinder haven]

@final leaf

I wish you had responded to my comment above. I want the same thing. I got 65 comments. I wish you had responded to mine and done it.

[final leaf]

Yeah sorry i didn't see it when i were writing it :/

[cinder haven]

Never mind, I hope the developers check here occasionally.

[final leaf]

Fr

[indigo notch]

#general-feedback message

@vagrant phoenix what do you expect? To fight bigger things you need to hunt them in packs

[limber citrus]

Dondi has said that they're gonna make it noticably harder to achieve pin

[wintry cipher]

Pin being more of an execute reward after getting something under 15-10% in a stat would be the ideal change tbh.

[balmy ginkgo]

The issue with fighting bigger things even in packs especially the Rex is that they do so much damage that even one hit has essentially ruined you, and since they are fast with a high stamina pool can fracture both body and leg in one hit too a fully grown allo that is as a not fully grown Rex, and they can essentially hit 1 button and kill most of the roster even pack fighting is highly difficult. The Rex is absolutely massive it’s manoeuvrability is absurd and considering currently most Rex’s run around in packs of 3-5 there’s no point at all even bothering

[indigo notch]

Yeah but I mean it’s a 9+ tons animal against a 3 ton animal and don’t forget prime Rex is 12.3 tons. U can’t expect not to get one shot. As for Rex agility he needs it to fight trikes. Trike literally has slightly better agility than a Rex. Do agree stamina is too much right now and needs a nerf

[vagrant phoenix]

True but once they change pounce and such

[little patrol]

#general-feedback message

but...thats the whole game???

if you dont wanna get eaten by something, then play smart and dont get caught

[wintry cipher]

Rex feels appropriately dangerous, there's just too many of them. Cannibalism as a mutation is not reducing the population, or if it is, not enough factors are in the ecosystem to reduce the number.

Tbh i had half considered if the game could dynamically look at the pop of dinos above 50% growth and slightly increase hunger drain if there's too many of one species, but that has a lot of issues and feels like a cop-out. Changing cannibalism to prevent players who take it from grouping might actually be useful because then when groups fight theyre not going to be able to tell who is who

[indigo notch]

The population is just out of control due to dibble ai + cannibal mutation. Even if you remove both dibble ai and canni mutation there will still be too many Rexes simply due to the sheer amount of ai that’s spawning. There’s so many boars, deer and turtles to reliably sustain Rexes to 6+ tons too. If the ai spawns stay like this it’s just going to be Rex/allo infested on official servers. Best bet is to just play population controlled unofficial servers. Other servers will be absolute hell for herbis

I really want to grow a trike but everytime I’m about to try growing one I just give up because I know if I do grow one I’ll just die to a Rex mega pack

Just waiting for official release atp

[balmy ginkgo]

I'd never expect it to one tap and i think the trikes being able to move around better while stood still makes some sense albeit id happily see them nerfed too although i run into far less issues running away from or fighting them compared to a rex, i think with a stamina nerf and some form of population control it would work a little better but fighting one in the open as a group is likely to have you lose and fighting one thats against a rock or smth is worse since he can turn so fast i mean i fought one recently it headbutt me or whatever that was it fractured body and leg, it was maybe 60% Grown all it has to do is do that to the others in the group and its basically won and all that took was one hit. its possible to kill it but it has so few drawbacks for being so so strong

but i think the main issue is mixpacking and massive groups i rarely run into a single rex its usually 3-6 of them sometimes more

[indigo notch]

Yeah that’s a huge issue in the HT rn

Honestly Rex was just perfect before the fracture buff + stamina buff

[balmy ginkgo]

Fracture buff?? i didnt know they did that tf that is evil

[indigo notch]

You had a hell juvie/baby stage since you had bad stamina. The 3 main draw backs were a bad growing stage, bad bleed resistance, and bad stamina. This helped cull their population down. But now u literally fracture a stego in one crush, trike in 2 crushes, and can run a marathon around the map ez, it’s just simply too strong and needs nerfs. You can nerf it by nerfing its fracture but buffing its bite force to compensate and nerf his stamina to hell like how it was before (adult Rex couldn’t run for more than 20 seconds)

[indigo notch]

Used to fracture stego in 3 crushes. Now it’s 1 crush. Same with trike but 2 crushes now fractures

[wintry cipher]

Heres the thing Rex can have big fracture but fracture should only slow you not disable your kit that would make it so much more balanced. A rex can then break a bigger trike and run away if it knows its going to die

The problem is fracture itself just like pin is the problem

[indigo notch]

They buffed its fracture but nerfed his regular bite force from 850 to 700 and peak prime bite force from 1100 to 770 bite force

What they did is just a bad change imo since fracture just disables the opposing enemy entire kit

[wintry cipher]

^

[indigo notch]

Look at trike for example, the moment he gets fractured its game over, even tho he has 8k health left

[wintry cipher]

Fracture needs a nerf as a tool

[indigo notch]

For sure

[jovial arch]

Ngl I’m starting to think bleed needs a buff

[balmy ginkgo]

tbh a fracture nerf for it would be great then, and i don't think they should only be able to run 20 seconds that would be, i imagine boring for those that like playing it but a slight nerf would be awesome

[balmy ginkgo]

I kinda agree at the moment it feels relatively useless especially with the entomb feature here now. bleeding anything takes ages there should be a way to maybe stack it or smth to make it a little better

[indigo notch]

No it would make him the ambush predator he’s supposed to be

No more running things down or trotting stegos down

[jovial arch]

Last night I bit a sub rex 15 times and he didn’t bleed out; I was a prime allo

https://youtu.be/PpmDr4SIBoA?si=-McXbwemT5_pvgFT

[balmy ginkgo]

well that would be nice

[jovial arch]

I was probably almost as close to killing that Rex with flat damage as I was bleed, that’s super lame for a dino that’s supposed to be a bleeder

All my recent kills with Allo are with flat damage, really lame for a dino that’s supposed to bleed things

[balmy ginkgo]

reminds me of any attempt to bleed things as an omni tbh bleed is awfully boring and just isnt very good. same for me tho im just beating the stuffing outta things instead of bleeding them

[wintry cipher]

Apparently bleed only becomes more effective if the target is below 50% hp or has low thirst, which to me feels like bleeders are missing a critical part of their kits to smell prey with those statuses

Because why would you waste your time on a healthy target and get injured or be a worse brawler

[balmy ginkgo]

ye no that would make sense tbh, i think the ability to smell them would be awesome but it won't happen i fear

[icy lion]

The 50% hp only applies to cera afaik

[ember flax]

@indigo narwhal you headshot pounced it and the maia stomped attacked you

[wintry cipher]

You shouldnt be able to smell something from a distance, but if you could get information while actively looking at someone? That id like. Bob did do that right with weihenvenator tbh

Would let predators pick out weaker prey

Maybe even detailed info from tracks

[indigo narwhal]

Ill put it in slow mode for you. I was to the left and passed his head before he attacked. Also, this still happens regardless of the direction the omni attack comes from. Meaning the omni could attack at the optimal perpendicular angle towards the broad side of any dino or ai and this lag/bug still happens over half the time.

[ornate pewter]

#general-feedback message

I've made this same suggestion myself.

I'm not sure about the distribution of Fireflies in tropical environments, but I think it would make swamp and delta look awesome.

[indigo narwhal]

And even if it was a head on attack, the omni attack happened before the mai as the mai's attack was a reaction. If an omni attack "lands" first, regardless if its on the head, tail, or anywhere then the attack should work correctly. Not be "deflected" before the other dino user even "counter-attacks". Thats not REALISTIC at all - which im under the impression the DEVS are HUGE on realism.

[pastel cypress]

Guys i have idea MORE stego bleed buffs 🤪 im thinking 8k bleed dmg per power swing 🤑

This will fix EVERYTHING

[ember flax]

Not good for balance and it's clunky

If you played the game during spiro you would know

How frustrating it was to get pounced on the head and The raptor just magically latch to the side

as you tried to bite it

[pliant elm]

The problem is that some players want Rex to have Stamina, Good Turn radius, Speed, Damage, Fracture, CC Attack and Pin, all at the same time. This is difficult, as it would make all other playable useless

Rex is suffering from the same problem as Cerato

He has a niche, but he escapes from his niche and ends up occupying another while still possessing all the positive aspects of his main niche

[indigo narwhal]

@ember flax Okay?.. Im not saying a Omni should magically latch anywhere. So it sounds like you agree that the pounce is laggy/buggy and needs to be fixed. Not put a band-aid on the situation by creating an invisible wall on the receiving Dino's head area that automatically places the Omni under its feet. Further more, i dont get how being latched onto by a Omni that does NO damage and its bleed ability doesn't do anything either is frustrating when the receiving Dino is always bigger and can ONE SHOT an Omni most of the time - worse case hit the omni with no more than 5 attacks to kill it (Such as a Dilo). THAT is whats not good for balance. Its very rare you have 8 omni grouped up (at best you get 4) and most of the time these Omni are pouncing on each other, causing a situation where its very easy to kill the Omni's - or at the very lest kill one or two of them, forcing the others to run of and end the fight. Ive personally witness ONE full grown Pachy fight a pack of 6 full grown raptors and kill 3 of them, which had the other 3 retreat/disengage from the fight, claiming the Pachy as the victor. My point being, there is NO conversation that involves Omni where you can say its unbalance in the OMNI'S favor EVER with how they are currently implemented in Evirma and Horde-Testing. They are weak and as easy (Or easier) to kill than a Herrera when it comes to dealing damage to them, they do NO damage or hardly any bleed, and their pounce is horrifically broken. No other dino player is dealing with more frustration than an Omni player. An Omni's best/successful gameplay experience currently is to live in a active sanctuary and kill baby Dino's... its flat out SAD.

[indigo notch]

@pliant elm buddy

Rex should absolutely leg fracture a trike

But it just shouldn’t be as fast as he does it now

If the Rex can’t leg fracture the trike decimates the Rex it ain’t even close

It should trike 4 crushes to leg fracture a trike

[indigo narwhal]

As you can see in this screen shot, the Omni clearly jumped over this Mia's head before it ever "counter-attacked". You can see the Mia's front feet are still on the ground and the Mia's head is under the Omni tail about half way down the length of the tail. The omni is basically on the Mia's back, WHICH is a "latch point" the Mia has due to its size. Its pretty clear that the omni should of been able to successfully land this pounce attack onto the Mia's back. Not lag/teleport under the Mia so that it can proceed to pummel it with its front feet. I hope this cleared everything up for you 😁

[ember flax]

Yeah ik Omni Needs a Bleed Output buff

[pliant elm]

I don't think it's necessary. Perhaps they could even nerf the damage of Trash

Leg Fracture is Op

And Rex can just spam crush, even if Trike defends it still takes fracture damage

This is also more focused on how Rex deals with Stego. Stego can't run away and can't fight now with the Nerf

Body fracture with the extra stamina consumption for running and attacking would already be extremely good for Rex, That's considering everything Rex has

[indigo notch]

Yeah if u really don’t want Rex leg fracturing a trike then nerf trike damage lowk

[pliant elm]

Perhaps it's necessary. I believe the Trash Damage is 1500 and 3000 For knocked target

With the crush buff to 1500, it would be a fairly fair fight, although Trike obviously need have a better chance of winning

[indigo notch]

No

Thrash one shots a 7.2 ton Rex on the body

It deals over 7k body shot damage when the target is knocked down

It’s beyond broken

[pliant elm]

Well, then it really needs a nerf

[indigo notch]

Yeah

[ember flax]

Does 6k

Reason why it would kill a 7.2 ton rex is cause of the 1100 dmg left click

Wich might of been a headshot

Plus the 6k thrash to the body

[indigo notch]

Broken af

[pliant elm]

So, Trike deals 9000 damage to knocked-over things if it hits the head? If it's 1500 damage per hit

This is quite extreme

I changed a few things

[gloomy bobcat]

Would anyone care for a hyper-realistic health system, involving things like organs and different levels of damage, similar to Project Zomboid (right) or Gray Zone Warfare (left)?

[tired quest]

doesn’t really matter imo, since pretty much every fight ends in a few seconds or in just 1-2 mouse clicks.
Besides, what are the dinos gonna do?wrap some torn cloth around it and magically heal?

[gloomy bobcat]

It would for once add a punishment system for being stupid. Permanent damage to your jaw after you get thagomized and live to tell the tale might discourage players from ragebaiting or being toxic to the wrong person.

[limber hull]

hard disagree

i dont think it should leg fracture at all, i think the fact it can is absurd since its mouth is nowhere near the leg 95% of the time

body fracs only imho

[tired quest]

It sounds nice on paper
but first they need to fix the hitbox issue. I doubt they even have the technical capability to pull it off, considering that some fundamental parts of the game,like the AI,are still pretty lacking
and second, we already have elder system that are pretty punishing to ppl that only wants to log onto the game and chill, the more time you spent online the more stat it decreases.

right now the game is just feels like little timmy and his discord friends getting prime and wiping everything else

[gloomy bobcat]

The main reason I think it should exist is also to give herbivores an edge. Get kicked in the side by a maia? Broken ribs. Dibble thrashed you in the chest? Severe bleeding. A trike stabbed through your chest as a FG Rex? You're dead. 7 foot long horns shouldn't do a specific number of damage. Realistically, they would absolutely tear through your entire body and organs. That would kill you. I saw this one video a while ago of a prime trike VS a prime rex. The rex's entire body was actively INSIDE of the trike as it was spamming bite. A health system would prevent that.

[pliant elm]

That would just be boring

Games that feature this mechanic from the start attract an audience that likes it from the beginning as well, Simply adding something like that would probably just cause a good portion of the players to stop playing

[indigo notch]

Yeah well you see

The devs are leaning towards fracture

If you’re not gonna give it leg break u need to give it high damage. Till his damage becomes actually relevant leg fracture should absolutely stay

[limber hull]

it has relevant damage tf are you talking about lmao

[indigo notch]

No lmao just look at trike

Trike deals triple the damage of a Rex. Bro peak prime Rex only has 770 bite force. PEAK PRIME TRIKE HAS 1100 bite force alone

How is that relevant damage it’s pathetic as sh**t

[limber hull]

"pathetic"

yea man having the second highest base biteforce is really terrible lol

how will it manage

[indigo notch]

Yes it won’t manage at all against trike without fracture due to that low af bite force

You do realize Rex had the highest land bite force irl right

Nothing came CLOSE

One bite from that Rex and your skull would be shattered

[limber hull]

i know, i hear this tidbit of information all the time

its true in the isle too

it has the highest land biteforce, nothing comes close

[indigo notch]

Trike

TRIKEWEE IS A THING

[limber hull]

trike doesn't have a bite, it has a headswing, and they're aware of the discrepency in calling it a bite

[indigo notch]

it says bite force idk man

[limber hull]

look at it

tell me it's a bite

[indigo notch]

I mean I guess

[limber hull]

is that what biting looks like to you

[indigo notch]

But how would a Rex win against a trike if he doesn’t have leg fracture, like Ever. Just tell me

Without increasing the damage ofc

[limber hull]

it still has grapple, its headswing still stuns, it still has agility, it still has that amazing new stam

[indigo notch]

Head swing doesn’t stun trike

And the stamina is not gonna stay

Dondi even said it

[indigo gulch]

Either that was a godlike pachy player or the omni’s were just trash

6v1 as omnis vs pachy and you lose?! Bro if it’s trying to kill 1 you pin it with 3 others

Also omni still does good damage with a full stam pounce

[livid ember]

It does

[indigo notch]

It doesn’t for prime v prime

[livid ember]

Well it can't be said about triceratops lol
Also rex turns on a dime and literally runs circles around trike. Im not against small bite and crush dmg buff only if rex gets massive fracture and pin nerf. Both are very uninteractive

Saying rex bite force is weak rn is funny tho

[livid ember]

Thank god rex is not actually stunning trike w its headbutt

(It does with crush)

[pliant elm]

I don't know what this guy is complaining about. I understand it being buggy, but Omni being weak? Xd

[indigo notch]

As it should lmao

[pliant elm]

Omni deals approximately 1k damage with damage pounce using all stamina

[livid ember]

Trike is only stunning rex w running flip which is way harder to hit

[limber hull]

crush shouldn't have stun properties tbh

headswing makes sense, it absolutely should

[indigo notch]

It’s not hard to hit at all, it requires no skill facing ur opponent and clicking one button. Besides that attacks deals more damage than Rex’s strongest attack and it’s basically the weakest trike attack lmao

[livid ember]

Youre not hitting a good rex w running flip

[indigo notch]

Do a running attack —-> deal 1.1k damage + stun ——> use thrash —-> deal 3k damage —-> Rex is now half health

And this isn’t counting you hitting the Rex with a headshot thrash

[indigo notch]

Yes you are

[livid ember]

It only goes forward and only works as a starter which rex can use to get behind and will stay there till trike death

[indigo notch]

No im sure you can use it lmao

[livid ember]

Prime rex is not

[indigo notch]

Still more damage than Rex could ever dream of dealing

[livid ember]

Rex disables trike in 2 crushes rn
Which trike can't even dream of and which is unhealthy

[indigo notch]

Seems to me you just want to be an unbeatable fantasy herbivore

[indigo notch]

Yes and that’s why you nerf it to fracture a trike in 3-4 crushes instead and to compensate buff its damage

[livid ember]

Nah not 3-4

Or no dmg buffs
Its not a big enough nerf to actually compensating it

[indigo notch]

Brother if a trike hits a Rex 3-4 times the Rex is desd

[livid ember]

I want my slow ahh dinosaur not being rolled by ambush playable after I faced it

[indigo notch]

You’re lucky you’re not dead as a trike if a Rex crushes you 4 times

[livid ember]

Rex turns like a big cera

[indigo notch]

So does trike

[livid ember]

Way worse

[indigo notch]

Trike spar agility is actually slightly better than a Rex. Play the game

[livid ember]

I played the game

[indigo notch]

Well you should know then. Trike spar agility is slightly better

It can keep up with a Rex

[livid ember]

Rex still stays behind like a big cera

Not counting all trike attacks are stationary

While all rex attacks are not

[indigo notch]

Not if the trike baits by turning left then right then left. If the Rex gets behind you tho it’s hard getting him off, as it should be. You’re strongest when facing him head on, you don’t want him getting behind

[livid ember]

You actually stop to hit as a trike which means more windows for rex to stay behind even better

[indigo notch]

You don’t need to stop for flip attack

[livid ember]

It shouldn't be hard to get 12 tons off my tail lol

[indigo notch]

Yes it should

[livid ember]

You stop when you flip

[indigo notch]

You don’t. Not when running

[livid ember]

You don't run when fighting rex dude

Only as a starter which good rex just jukes

Cuz we have a 12 ton playable turning like a cera which not even looks right

[indigo notch]

Rex gets close —-> you run and do the charge attack ——> if a Rex charges forward and goes either left or right you gotta follow his movement and do the same —-> you stun the Rex —-> deal 1.1k damage too —-> use thrash ——> Rex has now lost 4.1k health before even dealing any damage ——> trike turns and faces the Rex ——> if Rex engages in spar mode he instantly losses due to trike being able to land headshot attacks.

[indigo notch]

You’re never juking a good trike is the point

Not as a 12 ton animal that has the hitbox of a car

[livid ember]

Half of which is tail

But who cares, rex shouldn't even win trike faceoff

Your whole point is ambushing

[indigo notch]

And he doesn’t

[livid ember]

If you failed it - you go hungry

[indigo notch]

Not even with the broken fracture rn

[livid ember]

2 face crushes and trike is disabled

[livid ember]

https://youtu.be/lIMzy4cvCMM?si=R6Q0f0LgEsAOjvIX I mean...

There were at least 2 decent trikes there

[indigo notch]

Trike doesn’t fracture in the face buddy. They go into spar mode. And Rex always losses the spar due to it favoring the trike 99% of the time which is stupid af. You complain about tail ride, have you stopped to think why Rexes do it in the first place? it’s because they can’t do anything else. The spar absolutely doesn’t favor them and if you ever engage in spar you instantly lose

[livid ember]

And all got face fractured

[indigo notch]

Oh well that’s definitely a bug if it happens but every time I do crush a trike head on I just go into spar mode that’s it

[livid ember]

Trike does recieve same amount of fracture in the face thats the thing

[livid ember]

They can and should ambush

[indigo notch]

That’s def a bug

[livid ember]

Not tailriding like in legacy
Noone liked that

[indigo notch]

Well then make spar mode actually 50/50

And not favoring trike 99% of the time

A Rex right now never wants to engage spar mode. It’s always against him

[livid ember]

Why should rex win vs a trike face to face

3 horns and a frill vs nothing at all, completely open head

[indigo notch]

You don’t want him tail riding tho???? What is he supposed to do. Ur argument is you don’t want him tail riding but you don’t want him being 50/50 face to face either. You want him to just roll over and die???

[livid ember]

Which btw is also way slower and is forced to fight every engagement
While rex can just go away whenever it wants

[livid ember]

I want rex to tail ride trike only if it actually attacked from behind

[indigo notch]

Yeah but one has to hunt to survive while the other doesn’t. That’s why Rex is faster

[livid ember]

To hunt dibble ai ig

[indigo notch]

You can’t expect them to be the same speed, since one is built for hunting, one isn’t.

[indigo notch]

There won’t be dibble ai in unofficial, which is what majority of players will be playing

[livid ember]

Rex is massively overpopulated rn

[cyan flame]

But the game is designed for officials, what happens in unofficials isn't relevant

So if something doesn't work out in unofficials, well, that's that server's problem, not the game's

[limber hull]

based on literally what evidence

also, the game is official first and foremost, unofficial quite literally does not matter

[indigo notch]

Yes it’s relevant what happens there wym lol. Devs optimize the game for unofficial servers that have 300+ players. They care

[livid ember]

We fought at least 6 rexes as 3 trikes, luckily 2 of us got through

And the second time we were mogged by at least 15 rexes as 2 trikes

[cyan flame]

No, it literally isn't. Sure, optimize performance wise, but for stats and mechanics and all that, no unofficials do not matter

[indigo notch]

I mean I don’t agree with dibble ai

I’ve suggested the devs remove dibble ai multiple times now

[cyan flame]

Otherwise we can just argue "go to an unofficial that has removed thrombosis and tactile" and problem solved

[indigo notch]

Yeah well obviously for stats they don’t care about UNofficials

[limber hull]

devs can just add whatever because unofficials will remove it ig

[livid ember]

Rn rex grazes on dibble ai just like trike does on grass

[indigo notch]

Which is why dibble ai gotta go. + don’t forget trike grows 2 hours faster than Rex

[livid ember]

Except grass doesn't give nutrients

[cyan flame]

And the claim was "AI won't be on unofficials" to which the response is, doesn't matter. It will be on officials, no matter if we like it. Saying "rex needs to be this way to hunt on unofficials" is not relevant, because unofficial

Also that would depend on the unofficial server in question anyway, if it'd have AI or not

[limber hull]

they have the same growth time

[indigo notch]

No they actually don’t

My clan has tested this. They fed the Rex to maintain 250% diet. Trike also maintained 250% diet. Trike grew 2 hours faster than the Rex. It actually grows faster

And I mean I’m not complaining

Herbivore pppulation is already low, lower growth time can be an incentive for people to pick the playable

But just stating that trike actually has a lot of advantages over Rex

[livid ember]

Rn it doesn't
At least in a fight

[limber hull]

"my clan has tested this"

lmao

[indigo notch]

Hate clans or don’t we’re a chill clan that rarely mixpack

[limber hull]

"rarely"

double lmao

imma be real, clans in general just seem bizarre for this game and always carry an air of metagame and trying to win over enjoying the game for what it is

especially hate what they did to AU

[indigo notch]

That’s just how it is now. If you’re not in a clan yourself you won’t enjoy the HT. I was a solo player when HT first came out but I gave up. It’s impossible

There’s just far too many hackers + large groups

[limber hull]

feels like a "can't beat 'em, join 'em" mentality when it comes to toxic gameplay then tbh

i just play something else if the game stops being fun

HT is fun, but some people make it unfun, so I'm choosing to avoid spending too much time on it

if the only way to make the game fun for me is to join a clan and start making it less fun for others, then I'm not gonna do it

[indigo notch]

True I rarely play these days honestly

Just waiting for official release atp so I can enjoy unofficial servers with actual rules

[jovial arch]

Clan or no clan, the fact that trike and rex have different growths is immediately verifiable, last I tested it on spawn trike has an 85 second tick rate and rex has a 245 second tick rate

There may be some funny business with variable tick rates, but I tested them a couple weeks or so ago during this HT rollout, if you don’t believe me you can test yourself

IMO it makes sense for trike to have a slightly lower growth time

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

"lose control of your animal for getting attacked by a carni" sounds like an awful experience

[signal lava]

#general-feedback message

I feel this would be incredibly poor, as that takes away from the combat system of the herbis. While yes sometimes a fight that shouldve been won doesn’t turn out good, that’s when you and your pack need to evaluate yourself and learn better strategies, and learn to be patient. A fight doesn’t necessarily need to be a quick thing, or automatically “oh they’re outnumbers they lost”. I once killed 5 utahs in a battle as cera, by myself, protecting a baby cera- all without going below yellow. It’s about timing, having patience, and strategy- It’s exciting and complicated and is a really fun challenge- the game is unforgiving, and sometimes, herbis are smarter than their predator. That shouldn’t be ruined for herbis to experience that type of challenge just because of a system in place that doesn’t give them a choice in the matter, and could inevitably be the reason that gets them killed!

#general-feedback message

No spot in the map is truly safe from Deino’s. I’ve seen deino’s hunt in that tiny puddle in the new south spot of the map- so the argument of there being “too many safe spots to drink” I find a bit negligible as a deino can take place literally anywhere. I can only think of 1 truly “safe” spot, and it’s technically still accessible, just a niche spot nobody goes to.

Hunting is poorly for deino though, I can agree, I feel it would be better if they added more AI in the rivers (not just fish, like other type of prehistoric marine life of different sizes, which would also help the ecosystem of the rivers), and making the map more like spiro could be interesting to see deino have more hunting opportunities- but at the end of the day, a lot about deino is skill and being in the right place at the right time. I’ve played too much deino to know 🙃 hunting other deinos suck, but I’ve seen some insane videos of deinos in the most unlikely places- think outside the box!

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message @terse thunder first of all, human intelligence in the herbis is canon, and second, it sounds terrible to double down on media tropes which aren’t even interesting and are just meant to dumb down and take away the agency of OTHER PLAYERS

[normal shuttle]

I seriously don’t get this

That guy is either new or plays in a “semi realism” server (although those two often overlap)😭

How could someone be so careless about the experience of other players in service of making your favorite faction have an easier time

[opal widget]

People do it all the time, its just other takes are less brain dead than the others and often disguised as "muh balance". Like the dude above complaining about herbivores on a daily basis here in favor of rex in the most annoying way possible and then goes on reddit to cry about getting muted by mods. Carnivore mains demand herbivore easy kills like incels demand "free sex" from women as if it's their birth right

[normal shuttle]

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message what is this bro

[normal shuttle]

Realism players are just something else entirely

I long ago created the (colloquial, not scientific) theory that they are just new carnivore players who think that carni gameplay is the intended experience for a roleplay or something

[proven river]

Ew

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/run-running-godzilla-funny-lol-gif-13017596

[normal shuttle]

Hyper colossus

[limber hull]

just played against a raptor

genuinely shocked people think this thing is bad

[urban flax]

You got skill issued

[pastel cypress]

Just played against a player genuinely shocked at how people think they are bad, they need a nerf

Nerf everything BUT stego

[scarlet ocean]

Ok but on a super serious note 😭

Can someone compile me a list of what does the well known raptor clan and regular raptor mains think is so bad about current Omni, they’re arguments on why it needs a Hp, stam, whatever else buff? ’ll lay out some ground rule facts first
Omni lost -45 hp for fg and gained 100+ for prime
Omnis agility is the exact same
Omnis frail prime and frail elder got buffed (speed and damage scale)
Omnis stamina got x2-x3 increased
Omni grapple and pin costs decreased per second

What are the said “nerfs” it got?
Cause if people are asking for Omni damage or hp buffs just because HT performance is throwing they’re Omnis in the trash, that is NOT an Omni issue (desync)

Omni could go back to 450 kg fg, -100 prime kg, take away x2-x3 stamina like before people asked for buffs, but Omni was weaker then Like objectively weaker

(Another good argument could be that because of the prime Omni kg buff, it’s model got much MUCH bigger, thus being much easier to hit, that’s just a elder system “flaw”, if it even counts as a flaw, I’m sure everything will get downsized or upsized as for the “make model size represent weight” movement) which again, doesn’t warrant an Omni hp or damage buff in hordetest

[indigo gulch]

bro someone said a pack of 6 raptors lost against 1 pachy, losing 3 in the process. Average omni player isnt that great

[indigo gulch]

smh can't you see that -45hp is crucial for not getting onetapped? no but seriously, all I see is just people messing up and blaming the playable

[indigo notch]

#general-feedback message

worst suggestion ever

Worst suggestion I’ve ever seen wtf lol

[robust prism]

Do you mean mine? The one talking about rex

[indigo notch]

Yes

That’s the worst suggestion I’ve seen yet

[robust prism]

What would you do. Everything i said is true.

[indigo notch]

If an adult Rex would do 1k damage then that means his 100% prime counter part would deal 850 damage since at 100% your bite force gets lower. How the hell are you ever supposed to beat a 12.5 ton trike when you only deal 850 damage a hit???? That would require 20+ bites when the trike only needs half of that to win the fight if not less

With crush simply being locked behind murder sprint Rex would become the worst dinosaur in the game

Yeah no thanks

[robust prism]

I dont mind buffing his normal bite even more. I suggested it because i thought saying to much would be completly unrealstic and more people would disagree with me

[scarlet ocean]

Yeah thats kind of the point, your not supposed to 100% dinosaurs are old and shouldn't tussle with primes, or even normal full growns (The fact that rex is so strong when even prime frail is simply a balance issue, but theres loads of little issues with frails and primes)

[indigo notch]

He’s not too strong as a prime frail what do you mean. His bite literally goes down to 600-640 bite force lmfao

Just look at how strong trike is during prime frail

And his speed goes down to 27kmh

What “too strong” about that

[robust prism]

Which is wrong his biteforce should be way higher

[indigo notch]

That’s what I’m saying but you should not ever lock crush behind murder sprint

[scarlet ocean]

Yes, as i acknowledged 😄 Loads of little issues with frails and primes and balance.
(I dont know how others are experiencing, but even yesterday, for example, i watched 2 frail prime rexes just facetank and win agaisnt a few trikes)

[indigo notch]

If you’re gonna do that lock trike main tool behind something too (thrash)

Trike can literally spam thrash and deal triple the damage Rex could ever deal

And it doesn’t cost any stamina

[robust prism]

Its basically locked behind a knockdown isnt it

[indigo notch]

It’s not

[scarlet ocean]

No need to get so aggressive nemesis If rex would have its ambush tool only available during ambushes, everything would need to be scaled to make it balanced, rex is currently spamming crush like omnis are spamming pin agaisnt anything smaller, its not healthy for the ecosystem

[indigo notch]

When a trike turns and does a flip attack that stuns the Rex then he does trash and deals 3k damage. Opponent doesn’t have to be knocked down

Knocked down is just a bonus since you deal double the damage to knocked down prey

[indigo notch]

Yeah well you know I’ve been thinking and I’ve been looking at Rex kits. Regular bite deals pathetic amount of damage (700 damage) when adult and (770 when peak prime) and on top of that the regular bite has a 3 second recovery cooldown and doesn’t stun. Headbutt attack doesn’t stun a trike so you basically never wanna use it either and it does not flip a prime stego even if you’re a prime Rex and only stuns him. Why would you not be spamming crush rather than anything else when your other attacks are so useless in those matchups I don’t get it

[scarlet ocean]

From what i recall, the rex and trike matchup is supposed to be trike favored as its the heavier creature, slower creature, and has a shield for a face, but if rex is so pathetic, prime frails wouldn't be out here succeeding perfectly fine, and if some don't, then thats either a trike issue, or a player issue. But any creature with a 1 shot ability spamming it agaisnt smaller things isn't healthy, omni pounce spam, allo, rex, all of them have the same issue

Rex is simply the more prominent one simply cause it outweights over half the roster, for all of them are equally bad

people are trying to find a fix to rex crush spam and then to balance rex around every matchup it has- I doubt people simply post feedback posts about ''buff my dinosaur and my dinosaur only, apex predator'' 😅

[indigo notch]

But he’s also slower than 90% of the roster so it balances out. If you don’t want Rex spamming crush then you have to do a lot to compensate for that huge nerf. Give trike stamina drain when using thrash and lock it behind a huge cooldown, give allo ambush speed and lock his pounce only when ambush speed is active, buff Rex regular bite damage tremendously etc etc. the main problem I have with what he suggested is he basically just nerfed Rex with that suggestion and did not care about how it would fair against other matchups. He didn’t propose a trike nerf, didn’t propose a allo nerf, etc etc. it was just aimed directly at Rex and nothing else

[scarlet ocean]

Mostly, yeah, the greatest tool agaisnt rex is simply not interacting with it ^^ Though you gotta try to appeal to all type of players, the survivalists and the pvp hungry ones, its hard

and i dont know how Nymo meants their post, but i doubt they want rex to be nerfed into the ground as an unviable animal just because its a rex

[indigo notch]

Yeah honestly the way I see it Rex should be balanced around trike and stego, you shouldn’t really care about how it fairs against small tiers or medium tiers since they’re nowhere close to apex level. Obviously you balance juvie Rex and sub Rex to where they can’t punch up above their weight too but that’s about it

[scarlet ocean]

Mmmmm, sorta in my opinion. A few allos should definitely be able to take on 1 solo rex, or about 10 or so omnis, its really a numbers game.
With bigger and bigger creatures coming in the upcoming years, rex will have to worry more, which is good, but i always will prefer to balance the game around its current ecosystem, rather than around what WILL be in the future

its relatively easy to tweak stats here and there to fit the ecosystem if the mechanic is okay ^^

[iron knoll]

Rex needs one shot attack for anything that is half the size at least of it! needs a big punch attack! just like stego and trike do.

lets not forget rex can potentially be prey as well, and if u take away crush, rex becomes way more vulnerable.

without considering that the matchup with trike and stego is comepletely different.

[indigo notch]

Honestly I feel like they over nerfed allo bleed. The other day I was a 6 ton Rex fighting 3 allos. They pounced me and bit me for like a minute. 4 mins later they ended up dying and I didn’t even go lower than 50% bleed even without any bleed resistant mutations. Idk what happened or what but allo bleed feels underwhelming rn especially when he should be a bleeder specialists

[iron knoll]

also, playing rex, and fighting rex, the crush attack hitbox is very fair imo! u can avoid it pretty easily

[iron knoll]

claw attack is THE bleed attack! bleed does hella bleed compared to the pounce

[iron knoll]

yes they should be able to, but they should also have the fear of dying in one attack while fighting it

unless u wanna give rex 5k biteforce XD

[scarlet ocean]

It's mostly noticable around things that cant outdodge it or are slower than it- But i still think omnis, allos and rexes just spamming crush/pin agaisnt smaller things in hopes to land so its an instantly win is a wacky combat tactic It works, but its not very engaging, thus = bad. If rex and those 2 are keeping spammable crush/pin for months or years to come, i hope we get a mechanic so its possible to escape pins and crushes

not a minigame, as dondi has confirmed its not possible, but atleast maybe bucking and a chance to get free

(aswell as a bucking rework 😵‍💫 RNG bucking is wildly ineffective)

[iron knoll]

i mean, rex is the playable that makes the most sense to pin! compared to pounce, it has a much fairer hitbox, at least as i haev experienced both fihgitn as rex and fighting them.

also, crush has a stun if u miss! which also omni and allo pounce should have.

and i disagree, if u get pinned you shouldnt have any chance to escape, just like deino lunge. what dondi talked about, is maybe to have stamina and health be a factor to pin, UNLESS u are much smaller. if u are much smaller you shouldnt have gotten close (or unlucky if u cant outrun it)

idk if allo will keep this pounce, but this pounce is very bad right now, against apexes its a big nono unless u are certain u can pin

[scarlet ocean]

Yeah nothing agaisnt pin too, i hope it keeps the status of tyrant lizard king, strongest biteforce and all, but i'd prefer a tweak or a rework to make it less braindead to play and more ambush predator! Afterall, the whole map got a chance, every shortcut, bridge and forest has those unnaturally large bushes, added simply to make allo and rex viable ^^; i think they should use them more. I see a rex more like a land deino, less brawler, more ambush predator (And obviously, nerf/buff its matchup accordingly)

[iron knoll]

but, if we take away prime rex speed which is insane, i agree..... and the stamina that rex has right now which it wont stay. rex pin will be less oppressive, cause UNLESS u actually get ambushed, it wont pin u.
i was able to grow an entombed teno 4 times, in the rex infested HT, if u are aware of your surroundings you dont die to rex

[scarlet ocean]

When i first thought of evrima rex, i thought that the fastest trot speed in the game + best sniffing in the game would have been much more fun than this, an actual nightmare that will track you whereever you are, rather than instant 1 crush pin death

oh and ofc about pinning smaller stuff, thats the smaller stuffs fault

[scarlet ocean]

Hmm, true

x3 stam is hopefully just an experiment

[indigo notch]

Yeah and I believe dondi said that it was overlooked and will be changed

[iron knoll]

yea it is... they just evened ground between the apexes to check their matchup but....... kinda braindead, its pretty simple to realize what the consequences are

BUT, we dont know what or how much stuff they testing behind the lines, so

certainly, they are throwing stats changes like its rice at a wedding right now

one day one thing completely breaks the balance, the next day it becomes a dryo

[livid ember]

You don't need a lot to compensate rex not spamming crush

Only things rex needs outside of broken stam and broken fracture as those are stated by devs are a bit lower turn rate (?), slightly more dmg on regular bite and crush, finally get crush G cancel fixed (why is it still present lol) and it's mostly done
Iirc devs said pin will also be changed to be harder for the pinner

Trike only needs a bit of stam drain on thrash as well as head armor not working against fracture dmg fixed
And maybe a bit better turn (if that, rex doesn't need turning nerfs)

Idk about allo but its bleed either seems too high (not sure) and pounce+pin is just stupid

[iron knoll]

Idk if I’m dumb or not, but I can’t g cancel when I miss! Only stops me when I’m pinning which is fair! I shouldn’t be locked into the pinning, if I wanna let go

[indigo notch]

G cancel has been fixed Mr triceratops

Everytime I miss as Rex I’m stun locked for 3 seconds

[livid ember]

G cancel shouldn't work in any occasions

[indigo notch]

You mean when Rex is pinning something he shouldn’t press G to stop pinning?

You do realize if a Rex stops pinning he misses out on damage right? He deals 100 damage a second against pinned prey. If you get out you miss out on damage which is fair

That’s not a bug and doesn’t require fixing. It’s indeed very fair and makes sense lol

[iron knoll]

So Rex shouldn’t be able to go of pin? 😅 and take dmg to something else attacking it?

[indigo notch]

And don’t forget if u stop pinning you stop dealing damage

[livid ember]

Iirc G is not even part of rex's controls

[indigo notch]

G let’s go of pin, as it should be. Even Omni can let go. Same can allo wym lol

[iron knoll]

Technically if u grab something with crush y drop with g

So g is just the jump for Omni and allo

[livid ember]

Alr alr might've missed it but I certainly remember G cancel still worked after initial fix

[indigo notch]

No it doesn’t if ur talking about when the Rex misses the crush attack

When Rex misses a crush he gets stunned for 3 secs

[iron knoll]

I have grown and played Rex the last 2 days, it I miss I can’t move nor alter attack right away ( if I pin and let go I can)

[indigo notch]

Yeah

[iron knoll]

Here an example! Let’s not talk about HOW it missed

[indigo notch]

Rex crush hitbox needs to be on top of the prey to hit from what I’ve noticed

Devs did a great job on balancing the hitbox, it’s fair af

[topaz beacon]

uh so easy anti cheat, anyone know how the hell i can get it back? ive even went on the local files and easy anti cheat is NOT there

[livid ember]

A lot of hitboxes are screwed like trike running flip not registrating on tails properly

[topaz beacon]

i genuinely cant open the isle and idk what to do

[iron knoll]

Yea it’s fair in general, but I went through him here! But might have been ping issue, as I was playing us on 100 ping

[livid ember]

EU x5 HT servers🙏

[iron knoll]

It’s filled with Rex mega packs! I wouldn’t play that server 😭

[livid ember]

If only it was there
Its only us rn. Just remove dibble ai too

[iron knoll]

It’s clash of apexes server

[indigo notch]

Does anyone know prime trike max speed

[pastel cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/speedster-wally-west-the-flash-flash-then-something-just-snapped-gif-26706389

[quartz meteor]

20

[indigo notch]

it’s 25.2kmh I just checked

[quartz meteor]

at 100%?

[indigo notch]

No at peak

[normal shuttle]

@valid bone remove FROM ALL

Omnis have been terrorizing a fraction of the playerbase with pins. If you guys can have the privilege, then we should as well

Or they should all suffer from pins

[harsh sun]

#general-feedback message I get worse fps now than I did back when we had those graphics

[robust prism]

I love rex its my favourite dinosaur and playable i only want the best of it. Iam just not a fan of its regular bite beeing so weak and underused. Rex out of all dinosaurs shouldnt have a weak bite.

[robust prism]

Rex is an extremly strong animal so if they buff its biteforce to an reasonal ammount they are gonna have to nerf crush in a certain form. The best way would be to lock the crush behind the ambush speed imo. Because nerfing crush stats again would be silly and make it really similar to normal bite if they would buff that.

[indigo notch]

Yeah no thanks

[shell lynx]

crush needs to be nerfed somehow, i think locking it behind ambush sprint is defo the best nerf they could do

[robust prism]

I just dont understand your problem with this take.

[quartz meteor]

ahhh ok

[indigo notch]

Because normal bite alone just can’t fight stuff that are similar sized stuff to it, it’s a terrible change

[shell lynx]

this nerf also means >50% grown rex's cant use it, which is an amazing change

[indigo notch]

How would a Rex ever tear through 12.5 tons (trike) with his main ability being locked through ambush while trike is allowed to spam thrash that deals 6k damage constantly

[robust prism]

Thrash is slow and can be avoided also if a rex fights a trike he still cant use crush at least once. Then he would have a way larger biteforce then currently and he still would have fracture damage. If that doesnt make the Matchup even then they could also just nerf trike slightly.

[indigo notch]

And not to even consider prime stego with his 9k+ health

[indigo notch]

It would not be balanced at all. Even if Rex ambushes he would still lose to a trike 100% of the time

[robust prism]

Way better then spamming crush to win and never using anything else

[robust prism]

Not true how do you know that.

[indigo notch]

It’s not, it just makes Rex one of the weakest apexes in the game

[robust prism]

Trike v rex should be 60/40 for trike

[indigo notch]

It shouldn’t be 60/40 if the Rex ambushes

And with ur change even with ambush Rex would lose 100% of the time

[robust prism]

There are 2 (3if we count stego) he would still be stronger then stego

[indigo notch]

It’s a terrible change

[robust prism]

Yeah

[indigo notch]

Power swing is spammable. Pounce is spammable. Thrash is spammable. How about we lock all of those behind a huge cooldown too

[robust prism]

No you do realise i want the normal biteforce to be buffed right? So that he can fight trikes. Also they could still make his bite speed faster slightly or buff hid crush nerf slightly.

[indigo notch]

It doesn’t matter he won’t be fighting anything and winning. Rex crush got disabled in a DM server and trikes absolutely decimated him. He had 0% win rate

[robust prism]

Yeah but thrash is kinda more avoible then crush is it. Still not really against the idea. I would just like rex to be more then spam crush to win.

[shell lynx]

nemesis are you like, listening to what hes saying

[indigo notch]

It’s not since trike can stun

[robust prism]

I played on this server this literally proofs nothing because this rex didnt have the buffs i suggested. Also no fracture during that time.

[indigo notch]

Trike runs and stuns the Rex —-> deals 1.1k damage on top of the stun with the attack —-> uses thrash —-> deals 3k damage ——> 6k if used on the head ——> Rex has nOw lost half his health in 2 seconds while the Rex has to bite the trike 6 times to take off that much HP and would require 30 seconds minimum

[robust prism]

They could change that aswell. Its not an impossible thing to do like you make it seem.

[indigo notch]

Yes so propose those changes too

Don’t just aim the change for the Rex and nothing else

Because that would make Rex the weakest apex in the entire game

Allo, stego, raptor, trike all would need changes behind their attacks being spammable

[robust prism]

Just weight based changes. If you dont want trike stunning rex they could adjust it very easy they have done it before with pin meachnics.

[indigo notch]

Trike should stun a Rex if he lands a hit though, it makes sense, since Rex crush stuns a trike

I just have an issue with trike absurd amount of damage and all attacks being spammable with absurd damage

[robust prism]

Crush gonna be usable only 1 time maybe twice tho.

[robust prism]

Rex base damage will be higher

[indigo notch]

Yeah and if you nerf trike to the point the matchup is fair even if Rex can only do that then it wouldn’t be an issue

Stego would need a nerf too tho

[robust prism]

Okay👍 iam open minded for that.

My main point is that main bite should be more viable in a fight.

[indigo notch]

Yeah I see

Also what about the fracture for the Rex? Would he still fracture a trike in 2 crushes and a stego in one

Since crush wouldn’t be spammable anymore

[robust prism]

If it would make the matchup against trike more even yeah.But it honestly depends on how much the devs (if they ever decide to do it)bbuff the bite force. Rex should always dominate stego so it should stay 1.

[livid ember]

Fair for trike you meant
Cuz now 2 crushes and its joever.
And ofc trike should dominate the fight if it...uhm...managed to spot ambush predator
Tired of rexes casually walking to trikes roaring and winning

[keen shell]

(hoardtest)this new UI is horrible, menu and ingame

back after 4 or 5 months
been some nice changes map wise and i like the bushes making loads of noise too
but shocked only 1 Dino was release this year i can understand why so many people in my fav discord stopped playing 🙁 new dinos should be the main goal or people just get bored and move on to other games

[indigo gulch]

did you see the two new playables on horsetest?

[keen shell]

yh and thats hoardtest not the actual released version which has only had 1 dino added to it

hoardtest is for testing and does not count towards releases

[indigo gulch]

Rex is on the verge of being ready they are just numbers testing rn

[noble fern]

We need a way to vote for something so that it actually gets seen by devs if it is good. I have seen many good ideas and this would promote people to vote on the future of the game, kinda like now but a “like goal” in a sense

[covert tiger]

@dusky bluff I would like to give you ragebait of the year award

[gloomy bobcat]

Why'd this get so many downvotes? What's the issue?

[covert tiger]

Because asking for pteras growth time to match something big like allo, dibble or maia is absurd

[gloomy bobcat]

Since when do those playables grow that fast?

[covert tiger]

When you type too much in one post it dissuades ppl from understanding your true intentions

I guarantee you (try it now) if you just post the following you will get different results:

"Was pleased to read the list of small species with modified elder requirements due to fast growth and not enough time. Please add ptera to the list. Anyone who has played ptera will know it's near impossible to get prime."

[covert tiger]

always been that way

[gloomy bobcat]

I'm feel like I'm used to 5-7 hours to fully grow a dino of that size. Maybe I'm just regalted when it comes to diets?

[covert tiger]

If your diet is like 50% then yeah it'll take 5-6 hrs

[gloomy bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/howaboutthat-avengers-ironman-tonystark-stark-gif-3525361

[rugged timber]

@indigo notch so you think a rex pinning a 9t stego is fine ? full stam btw

Or tell me rather does pin need a change for you or not and what % would you put it in ?

Since I know you want a dmg buff for rex and better turning which it really doesn't need

[cinder haven]

🔪 🔪

unfair

The developers have been mocking players for years. The strongest dinosaur in the game is now constantly getting defeated due to a glitch.

[feral hill]

"Re-enable the conditions for Cannibalistic mutation (so its no longer free), its ruining the game at the moment"
idk (I don't play a ton) if it's ruining the game, but i do think it's just a good idea

[rugged timber]

it's only for HT it will not come out like that

[rugged timber]

You mean stego right ?

[cinder haven]

What difference does it make? We'll kill each other anyway, whether he's there or not.
(cannibal mutation temporarily free)

[feral hill]

ok ty for telling me

[cinder haven]

yepThe strongest dinosaur in the game... (Trike used to be strong, but not anymore)

[rugged timber]

Trike still is

[cinder haven]

For years, it dominated all dinosaurs, then Trike was added to the game and Stego managed to defeat it 1v1 many times. To address this, the developers buffed Trike significantly.

[rugged timber]

Stego is not meant to be the strongest my guy apexes will always be stronger

[cinder haven]

There are a few Trike attacks.

What difference does it make? Stego is winning anyway, and I don't think this mess will last. They'll bring back the old Stego soon (I hope).

[feral hill]

As i said, i don't play a ton, so idk the playerbase very well. Maybe you're right 🤷‍♂️

[cinder haven]

If Trike Trash couldn't deal 7,000+ damage, you wouldn't be that strong.

[cinder haven]

Oh, we're in. At least most of us are.

[rugged timber]

It's not against a trike stego shoudln't wint against everything

[cinder haven]

It's a sad truth, but yes, Trike can easily take down a Stegosaurus (it should be like that in the game anyway). Anyway, it's impossible for us to kill two huge horned dinosaurs, so I don't have much to say about that.

But still, the most entertaining non-Apex dinosaur, if fixed,

would be the Giga Accro and Rex (if fixed) killer and their worst nightmare.

And the worst part is that among other herbivores, the nightmare dinosaur sub trike shant (sub/juvenile), camarasarus (sub/juvenile), and parasarus are probably everyone's worst nightmare.

[indigo notch]

Buddy at least prime Rex can’t pin prime stego unless stego is in critical health

[rugged timber]

Are we fr ?

So you really think it's fine that a full stam full hp 9t prime stego get's pinned

[indigo notch]

Pin is getting adjusted anyway

Dondi said it’s gonna be harder to pin stuff

[valid bone]

omni can't pin prime mid tiers or even high, so it's pretty balanced

[normal shuttle]

That’s not what I asked you

Are things allowed to be unbalanced when they affect the dinosaurs you don’t play?

That’s exactly the mentality I hate

Y’all simply started flipping out when a certain mechanic became your problem. Otherwise you would have never complained

Either pin remains for everyone or it is reworked/removed for everyone

People also play small tiers and had to deal with one type of pin from another small creature for ages

[valid bone]

small tiers agile enough to avoid omni pin, I also prefer small tiers more, but omni's pin at least seems fair

[wooden agate]

ehh once desync and some hitbox issues are fixed id say so

i think the weight nerf (and pachy buff) generally helped with the grapple as well

[valid bone]

dryo can jump around, troo small and can jump too, hypsi can hide on tree, beipi can swim away, gali can run away, pachy can break bones. Dilo is big enough to not be pinned

[normal shuttle]

It is literally the same but with a higher threshold and Omni being far more agile than allo

And guess what, mid tiers have ways to avoid allo reliably, so it should be literally the same as with Omni. Someone complaining would be just a skill issue. Teno can run away, cera can run/swim away, maia can run away, dibble can fight (although it may need a buff), carno can run away, stego can fight…

[valid bone]

it's ok in base evrima, but bad at ht

[normal shuttle]

Just get better instead of demanding privileges

[valid bone]

yea, it would be true, but not really, rex can get anyone with his ability. Allo can pin any mid tier by jumping out of nowhere. also sub allo can easily catch and bleed out full prime teno

[valid bone]

stego can't fight, his dmg is too low now

[valid bone]

yea, it is skill based when 3 allo can kill any dino by just pressing 1 button

[tired quest]

hope the devs knows what they are doing

[normal shuttle]

It totally can bruv, have you seen that bleed? And it still got the cc

[normal shuttle]

Yeah. It is just as skilled as a dilo or pachy getting pinned by 3 omnis

People have no right to complain about pinning now

Simply none

It has been a problem for years and most didn’t care because it didn’t affect their beloved gastro heal/photo tissue/hypoalgesia ceras

[valid bone]

u can't bleed out allo as solo stego

[valid bone]

3 omnis, not 1 allo that can pin any mid tier

[valid bone]

also dilos and pachys should be played in a group

[valid bone]

it was balanced and fair

also u should know that small tier dinos grow a lot faster

[normal shuttle]

You totally can with two swings

[normal shuttle]

Less time wasted doesn’t automatically make something acceptable

Insane rose tinted glass

Maybe try learning to deal with allo instead of unfairly demanding any privilege over other players

[valid bone]

nope

[valid bone]

bro, u think that 1 allo that can pin all except big tier the same as 3 omni can pin 1 dilo/pachy?

[normal shuttle]

I used 3 Omnis because you mentioned 3 Allos bruv.

Allo can pin anything that is like 70-75% of its weight at most. Omni can do 100% which also includes other omnis

[normal shuttle]

Yep

[valid bone]

then I have bad news for you

[normal shuttle]

No, you just shifted the goalpost

[normal shuttle]

Stego bleed got buffed

[valid bone]

but 2 swings is not enough

[normal shuttle]

You can bleed out rexes in like 4 swings if they don’t sit

[valid bone]

if only allo would run around all the time

[normal shuttle]

How is 2 for an allo not enough

That just feels mega bad faith

[valid bone]

u will die faster and rex will survive

[iron knoll]

wdym its fair? XD small tiers are all slower than omni pinning, and lets not forget that u can grapple dilo and pachy as 2, which are same size.... just like allo.

anything allo can pin, its way faster than it... if u get pinned by an allo it means u either shouldnt have fought it, or u had poor awareness of your surroundings

[valid bone]

agile is not running speed

[iron knoll]

with omni pounce desyinc does it even matter agility?

[valid bone]

desyinc only in ht

[iron knoll]

no, been pinned by omni from narnia since omni is in the game

[iron knoll]

teno, cera, carno, pachy can all run away! so i dont see the issue, if an allo pulls the ambush should be rewarded with the kill

[valid bone]

then fix ur enthernet, I have a bad one, but never had issues with omni desyinc

[valid bone]

no, teno can't run away from sub allo

the same with cera

[iron knoll]

sub allo is same size of teno, so it doesnt get pinned..... also: omni pins 100% of its weight, allo only 75%

[valid bone]

also allos dominating the whole island, so it's hard to find food for carnivores

[valid bone]

like gali or diablo bots

[valid bone]

it is not pinned, true, but I lost 50% after one sub allo jump

and there is no way I could avoid it

[valid bone]

50% without running

[iron knoll]

cera is only faster if its 100% and allo is peak prime.

teno can always run away, if it cant it can fight

[valid bone]

as I said, it can't run away from sub allo

[iron knoll]

its just a matter of fixing the hitbox on trees to knock em off, and a bucking issue... not a allo issue

[valid bone]

also allos have good stamina to follow their prey

[valid bone]

it is allo issue

this bleed is insane

he was sitting like 2 or 3 seconds on me

and I lost 50% of bleed

without running

[iron knoll]

yea, it is a bleeder, its supposed to make u bleed a lot

what % of teno were you?

[valid bone]

85% prime

[iron knoll]

then buck, and everytime it gets off destroy it with kicks

[valid bone]

omni are bleeders too, but even 3 omni can barley deal the same bleed

[iron knoll]

allo gets stun

[iron knoll]

of course, its 1/4 of the size of a teno

[valid bone]

I bucked it, but he is ran away bro

he is faster and I still need to get him behind me to kick him

[valid bone]

and? they are bleeders, they should deal massive bleed

[iron knoll]

then well played on him!

i dont like the pounce on allo, but pouncing its an issue to get em off, thats it! if u could knock em off with trees, you could camp a tree, and the fight becomes fairier

[valid bone]

they just need 1 pounce and that's all

[iron knoll]

just like omni needed one pounce on pachy or dilo

[valid bone]

then they could just bite u so bleed will not regen

[valid bone]

pachy can break omni and omni is useless

[iron knoll]

and teno can stun sub allo

[valid bone]

1 omni woun't deal 50% to pachy or dilo

dilo can easily kill 1 omni

[valid bone]

allo faster and he woun't go to my legs

[iron knoll]

yes, considering that omni also deals almost 2+k dmg with dmg pounce

it can kill a teno in one pounce

[valid bone]

ok bro, u just love allo and want it to be the same unbalanced to kill anything, I got it

[iron knoll]

yea, as a teno main i dont expect people to run into my kicks, i make em run into my kicks

[valid bone]

I woun't ague with u

[iron knoll]

allo is pretty ass if u ask me! pounce is basically useless in 90% of the cases, cant use it with apexes, because dismounting leaves u stunned in range of the apex attack, and its not usable if there are multiple targets

85% teno is faster then a sub allo... allo is max 41.8 kmg, when its like 1.3 tons!

teno is 40.3 at 75%

[normal shuttle]

Mfw water exists

And teno+vets are the fastest fully terrestrial playables in water

See? They all have means

[valid bone]

the map is not 100% with water

[normal shuttle]

So the same logic as tiny tiers can apply

[valid bone]

and also if allo jumped u once

u will just bleed out while swimming

[normal shuttle]

Play around your strengths instead of gambling for your life

The same could be said about beipi or herrera vs Omni when they’re walking around in the open without any of their advantages

[valid bone]

the only place with food near water is delta, so u just want to feed deinos in there?

[normal shuttle]

Don’t let it jump you. Just don’t exist near allos

Like how people tell all players who like stuff Omni size or below “don’t be near Omnis bro”

Except that this time the omni is bigger, noisier and less agile

[valid bone]

there is no place with water and food without allos

[normal shuttle]

Game awareness

[valid bone]

I would say that there is just no place without allo

[normal shuttle]

Good thing you have tools to avoid them

[valid bone]

there are too many allos because they too overpowered

[normal shuttle]

And also not standing in the open is an option to not get killed

[valid bone]

I never came to open places

[normal shuttle]

Or because pounce is extremely easy to use and people are naturally biased towards carnis

[urban flax]

herbi main

[normal shuttle]

Me

[valid bone]

yea, and big dino have pounce ability is unbalance

[cyan flame]

No worse than omni, as long as you can avoid it as well as you can omni

[valid bone]

thats what I just said, they are too overpowered cuz of pounce ability

[normal shuttle]

Even though I am unironically advocating for carnivore equality

Allo shouldn’t get its pin removed if Omni doesn’t as well. I’m not gonna let carno and above simply live in their little bubble where they don’t care about any game issues other than their own

Just admit you fumbled vs the allo and it will be okay

[urban flax]

Pin is inherently unfair, people just slept on omni because it only affected a select few playables (notice how people almost never play anything smaller than omni)

[valid bone]

1 omni can't pin any not big tier. 1 omni do not have as much health as allo

[cyan flame]

And because raptor cool and epic (and skilled, lets not forget that!) + raptors pounce, it's expected (for some reason, every game with raptors have pounce of some kind)

[valid bone]

allo should. big tiers shoudn't have pin ability

[urban flax]

Legacy didn't !

[cyan flame]

1 allo can't pin big tiers either? Omni can pin it's own tier, allo can as well. Or do allo pin stego and rex and trike on its own?

[cyan flame]

But there were a time in prog they did, I'm pretty sure

[normal shuttle]

And then they started with the fatalism and filling the feedback channel and subreddit with “pinning is so unfair” when their playables were subjected to the same since pretty much the start

[valid bone]

omni can't pin all small tiers

[urban flax]

Yeah in the very early days austro could pounce
I wasn't there back then tho

[cyan flame]

Oh and austros did, and even had the option of just hanging, and doing damage as well

[normal shuttle]

Why? Because it would be your problem?

[valid bone]

because it's all players problem

[normal shuttle]

Everything it’s size or below, yes

[cyan flame]

Can a solo allo pin all midtiers then?

[normal shuttle]

And if we wanna get strict, allo can’t pin everything everyone would call a mid tier either

[urban flax]

You didn't complain about it when it was someone else's problem

[valid bone]

is it fun when the only carnivore u meet are allo and rexes that could kill anyone with 1 button? there are no troos, carnos, ceras, ceras, herreras, dilos and omnis

[normal shuttle]

^^^^^

“But small tiers can avoid Omni”

Mfw teno can w shift, swim away, or jump to a high place to avoid allos

[urban flax]

That's what pin does
It eliminates anything smaller than the pinner from the roster

[valid bone]

I said all players, of course I'm a part of this players

[cyan flame]

There used to be a time when omni was like that, and omni pounce/pin has had many times of being too powerful (and bucking too bad)

And yet, people thought it was fine, they even thought omni was not powerful enough xD

[valid bone]

but it is not this time now. omni is balanced and the allo is not

[cyan flame]

You just need to play like there's a bigger omni around and you're good to go

[cyan flame]

No, omni is as bad as allo when it comes to pin/pounce

[urban flax]

Neither is

[valid bone]

so one omni could pin teno?

[normal shuttle]

Now I guess you know how I feel when I play dryo/beipi and I literally cannot engage in land because of some sub Omnis running around the shore of a river

Pinning is a terrible experience for everyone, and I know that because I’ve suffered it for way longer than most players complaining. That’s why it is so infuriating that they think the problem will be solved when it simply isn’t their problem

[cyan flame]

Omni pins similar size, allo pins similar size

[urban flax]

Everything smaller than an omni is bound to remain a meme playable until pin is reworked to not be an instakill

[cyan flame]

Allo does not pin stego, but rex can crush/pin it

[normal shuttle]

Neither of them aren’t balanced

There’s so few balanced carnivores for better and for worse

[valid bone]

I played them too, but it was ok, it is balanced

[cyan flame]

It's not though, you're in the same position as small tier vs omni as teno is vs allo

[valid bone]

dilo is small tier

dilo can easily kill omni

[normal shuttle]

No it’s not. It’s literally the same as with allo. You cannot exist near them at all

Take off the rose tinted glasses just because an allo kill is more fresh than an Omni one

[cyan flame]

So, back to my question, can allo pin every midtier solo?

[valid bone]

same with pachy

[valid bone]

yes, except maia

[cyan flame]

So there's an exception, just like dilo then

[normal shuttle]

literally cannot pin dibble, other allos or maia

[barren crater]

allo is slower than the things it can pin 😼

[normal shuttle]

Apparently that’s not a valid response to Rudi

[cyan flame]

Or pachy these days, having been buffed, but point still stands. And yeah, you can avoid allo about as well as a omni

[urban flax]

Dilo isn't a small tier
It's a big-small tier

[valid bone]

ok, if u all want to defend allo, that's fine. A lot of players left the game already cuz of unbalanced dinos

[urban flax]

It's the opposite lol

[valid bone]

if the devs keep pin ability for big tiers, it will ruin the game

[cyan flame]

If that was true, we'd have no players, considering people have thought stego OP since it's debut

[normal shuttle]

And if we account for all mid tiers, there are so many allo can’t pin. Does that make it balanced?

Theri
Dibble
Maia
Para
Sucho
Allo
Alberto

[cyan flame]

No more than it ruins it for small tiers with omni

[barren crater]

why would they remove allo pin. nerf it sure, but remove?

[normal shuttle]

How do you think tiny tier players feel with Omni?

The hypocrisy is unreal

[cyan flame]

Because only omni can have the OP ability I guess

[urban flax]

Pin as a whole needs a complete rework to make it fair

[cyan flame]

@valid boneYou can avoid allo as well as a midtier as you can avoid omni as a small tier. It's the same situation, you're just going to have to deal with not engaging with a playable that can pin you in one go. Just like how stego has to avoid trike and rex.

[valid bone]

bro, I love small tiers and play a lot on them, I feel ok with omni

[valid bone]

yea, but u can't

there are too many allos

just running away and dying due to hunger or bleed that they delt to u

[cyan flame]

That's a different issue, coming from "new playable + cool playable + test situation" and so on

[valid bone]

is not an option

[cyan flame]

There's been too many ceras around, and others for that matter, it'll be fine in the long run, and doesn't have anything to do with how good the playable itself is, or if you can survive it or not

That's no different from saying stego is bad now cause so many well fed rexes, when you should look at the 1v1 for survival for the matchup

[barren crater]

dying to hunger as what 😭

theres so much ai and herbis can graze

[normal shuttle]

I don’t care about your opinion on them!!!

Maybe the problem is that you haven’t adapted to allo yet, but it literally is the same thing all over again. Theres no meaningful difference. Allo and Omni are both oppressive against things they can pin and makes it so that they just have to avoid them forever

[cyan flame]

I've no doubt there's far too many rexes around for a solo stego to live long, but that doesn't tell me how the matchup vs rex 1v1 goes and if I can reasonably survive under normal circumstances

[barren crater]

😭

[normal shuttle]

Apparently herbivores die of hunger outside of a hotspot

[valid bone]

all places with food for herbivores have a lot of allos. all galli and dibble bot also controlled by allos. so the only way is gaze and eat deer? cool

[cyan flame]

You can survive allo as the things that it can pin, so it's fine. There being an abundance of allos right now is a different issue

[valid bone]

it's absolutly not the same, a lot of dinos unplayable cuz of allos

[cyan flame]

But they're not, unless you can show a 1v1 matchup where the target of the allo has no chance to survive no matter what it does

[valid bone]

a lot of players agree that allo is unbalanced and pin ability from big tiers should be removed

[barren crater]

patrol moment

[cyan flame]

You could say the same for any playable and most mechanics honestly

[valid bone]

#general-feedback message u can even check the feedback reactions

[cyan flame]

A lot of players have never been happy with omni, a lot of players have been very unhappy with stego (and still are, even though it's been overall nerfed, though somewhat buffed too)

[valid bone]

I said all places. All. Even patrol zones. All

[cyan flame]

Yeah, that's not many people, I've seen suggestions in the hundreds or more, and even so, that doesn't speak for well, everyone else not adding their vote

[normal shuttle]

A lot of dinos are unplayable near omnis. The literal counterplay of hypsi, pachy, dryo, troodon, beipi, ptera, galli, herra and omni is to not exist near omnis 1 gram heavier than them (with the exception of beipi and troo, those have to avoid 150kg omnis or heavier)

And as someone else said, you are not accounting for allo being popular due to the bias of being new. Once the numbers decrease as other playables take the spotlight, it will be the exact same.

You’re not accounting for the future

[cyan flame]

Just look at the 1v1 matchups

[normal shuttle]

Once allo pick rate decreases and it becomes just another playable, allo will be the same as omni but larger

[cyan flame]

Is there any critter that can't either escape from or defend itself from allo?

[valid bone]

hypsi can easily hide on wall/tree. pachy can break omni. troo is small enough to avoid pin, beipi is fair, cuz it should sit in water. gali a lot faster. herrera the same as hypsi. dryo can use his jumps

[normal shuttle]

That’s so cool. All things allo can pin can evade it

[valid bone]

it woun't decrease

[normal shuttle]

Also dryo jumps are kinda worthless but that’s besides the point

[normal shuttle]

Blind assertion

[cyan flame]

Sure it will, we'll get more playables

And other changes that might make current playables more interesting too

[valid bone]

all players gonna play on allo cuz why should they grow something else if allo can kill mid tier by 1 button and grow pretty fast?

[urban flax]

Same question with omni, before allo was added
Same as rex too

[valid bone]

ceras dominated before, cuz they were strong

now it will be allos

[cyan flame]

Ceras dominated because they were just overall very good

[normal shuttle]

And also new playables get more attention

[cyan flame]

Are allos just as overall very good?

[valid bone]

not all played as omni. there are were a lot of other playables

[cyan flame]

Because if it's just the "large omni" it won't be like cera

[urban flax]

Only those omni couldn't pin

[valid bone]

nope

[normal shuttle]

Just good at pins lol. Pounce has handicapped every carnivore with it except for troodon to be small game hunters/bullies

[cyan flame]

No, people still played, and complained about how bad pin/omni was to deal with, to no avail

[normal shuttle]

^

[urban flax]

Denying facts ?

[cyan flame]

But those complaints were apparently not "valid", while the allo ones are

[valid bone]

there were a lot of troos for example

[urban flax]

A lot ?

[normal shuttle]

When did you ever see hypsi before it got climbing? And dryo?

[urban flax]

The only time I've seen troo widely played was when it had just released

[cyan flame]

Shouldn't be as much of an issue then, at least I've understood that ceras were popular cause good overall. If allo is just "large omni" or similar, then it has the same issue as omni, more or less. Good in some aspects, very bothersome aspects, but not too good otherwise.

[valid bone]

yea, just check north jungle or south plains sanc, there will be 3 or 5 at least

[cyan flame]

Dryos have always been too rare :(

[urban flax]

Except when it was AI

[valid bone]

they just boring for people, no one want to just run around without special ability

[barren crater]

Used to main dryo before the speed nerf to be slower than omni. Even when you dodge the pin still lands 💔

[cyan flame]

... Yes, the very stupid AI that let three carnos spend a day and a half ingame biting my stego to death via thagomizer "bug", because they could just go get free food on the nearby plains instead of starving as they would have otherwise (or at least have had to give up the hunt)

[urban flax]

good times

[urban flax]

and get killed at their first encounter with something that can pin them

[cyan flame]

Otherwise dryos are so rare that hearing another dryo is an immediate reaction of surprise and happiness

[valid bone]

wdym? pin is not needed to kill hypsi or dryo, bites are enough

[barren crater]

Pin definitely needs a rework for all the pin based animals. Allo is a much more fairer animal to face than omni though when it comes to that.

[normal shuttle]

I remember doing a replay survey on various servers at different times a while ago. It isnt the best but there you go with my sample of 15 player pools of 100:

(pre trike)

Cera ~30% rate
Omni 9%
Dibble 11%
Stego 7%
Teno 10%
Deino 6%
Maia 5%
TROODON 4%
DRYO below 1%

Yeah man

A lot of small tiers

[normal shuttle]

Ik🥀

[normal shuttle]

Subs and juvies count too

And they’re so quiet as well as faster

[urban flax]

Why bite when you can instakill them with a pin that they cannot dodge

[normal shuttle]

Juvies get their kill secured

And for some reason

[urban flax]

Where are hypsi and beipi ?

[normal shuttle]

I ignored them alongside dilo and herra

Wanted to post quickly but their numbers make up the rest

With herra being like half of that percentage

Because you know, one of the few actually good and fun carnivores

Maybe I will do this again when rex releases in the live branch

Either way most people play things omni couldn’t pin

[opaque hill]

Idk if i can make question on this channel but i really wanna know… is there any chance austroraptor or baryonix will come to evrima before 2026?

[urban flax]

probably not

[normal shuttle]

Considering there’s less than a month left…Nah

We’re still in the Rex and Allo HT

[iron knoll]

so how is rex and allo going to kill anything way smaller and way faster? xD

[urban flax]

The same way anything that is not rex, allo or omni does

[iron knoll]

wdym? do i have to hope omni, teno maia pachy fight my fg rex? XD cause sure thing, if i dont pin nor break, no one will stay there tanking bites from a rex

[urban flax]

skill issue

[iron knoll]

getting pinned by allo and rex as a smaller and faster playable is poor awarness! i would call skill issue on the pinned dude xd

pin is not an issue, grapple is. 100% of teh weight its too low*

should be way higher thrashold

[urban flax]

both are issues

[iron knoll]

if it pins you, dont fight it, simple! could lower thrashold to 50% but i dont see why allo wouldnt maul u to the ground if its double the size

and rex just makes sense, unless u want rex to one shot kill up to maia (give it 5400 bite force) or break in one bite anything that is 50% less.
or rex is never gonna eat, unless it fights stegos and trikes

[urban flax]

carnivores are not entitled to killing any prey without counterplay

Pin is needed for no one

[iron knoll]

what is that supposed to mean? pin is no different from a one shot XD or herbivores are entitled to one shot smaller carnivores?

[barren crater]

Says who though 😭

[urban flax]

Not a single herbivore in this game can oneshot something its own size

[urban flax]

Says game design 101

[iron knoll]

neither can rex nor allo pin their same size?
we are talking about 50% or less weight

only omni can

[urban flax]

It's already too much

Especially because of how easy pins are to land

[iron knoll]

power swing, or dibble/trike flip, teno kick are they hard to land? LMAO

[fiery hill]

How is one shotting something 50% of your size any different from pinning

[urban flax]

It's not

[urban flax]

All these attacks except trike's trash don't do nearly as much damage as a pin

[fiery hill]

To 50% of their weight they do

[urban flax]

And also yes, they're harder to land than any pin

[limber hull]

pins are absurdly easy to land sadly, except for rex which does actually seem to have a cooldown on miss god forbid

allo's is especially egrigious tho, literally being used as a movement tool to gain extra speed on prey

it needs endlag imho

[iron knoll]

i mean, if u knock the target its dead in the next hit! if u miss its a major skill issue, just like it is missing a pounce, still basically a one shot

[urban flax]

I'm pretty sure dibble can't oneshot a cera with a knockdown and a single attack

[iron knoll]

with the combo u could one shot ceras and carnos if u hit headshot

btu dibble also can stun up to 6 tons, which allo cant

[urban flax]

So on a headshot
Kinda proving my point here

[limber hull]

it absolutely can't, its damage is remarkably bad, even in combos

[barren crater]

Carno is guaranteed dead after one knockdown tbf

Cera can get away but you can easily delete Carno

[iron knoll]

yea not anymore with the cera weight buff!

[limber hull]

its only 100kg, it shouldn't be heavily impacting breakpoints

[iron knoll]

carno omni dilo they are all one shots, and rightfully so

[fiery hill]

I dont have any issue with pinning stuff smaller than your 50% weight

[barren crater]

Literally fine lmao

[fiery hill]

Its either that or you get one shot with one bite, the current large pinners are already slow enough

Like if ppl want to remove pin, then let rex one shot and fracture in one bite or allo bleed out a teno in one bite

[iron knoll]

^^

[fiery hill]

Allo pin is also somewhat fine other than the 180 degree range you can use it. Anything that gets pinned can run away from allo. Its the grapple thats an issue

[valid bone]

devs can create new ability, not pin

[fiery hill]

Why, pin is fine on smaller targets

[iron knoll]

if u are still one shotted, whats the difference?

[fiery hill]

Pin is a cool animation to kill too, id rather have pin then have another guaranteed kill mechanic

[barren crater]

😭

[iron knoll]

or u can go play Path of Titans, so a deinonychus can take 3 bites fomr a giga and survive... heal in 20 seconds and keep going! might be the game for you

[normal shuttle]

I’m just saying that if omni is going to keep the prolonged death cutscene that also has the whole body as the hitbox

Allo should keep it as well for the sake of fairness

[fiery hill]

People are fine with omni pinning up to its own weight because its small and only juvies die to it, but it honestly has the most unbalanced pin lol

Allo pin is, against same size targets, actually fine. Instead of 65% it could be 50% of its own weight

[valid bone]

I didn't say that it should one-shot

[normal shuttle]

I agree

People don’t care because their scawy super cool powerful tenos, ceras and apexes aren’t bothered by it

But it is by far the worst pin of all

[fiery hill]

Yeah but a rex or allo should one shot stuff they ambush if its small enough

[normal shuttle]

Also canni omnis are super overpowered

One pin and even a larger a slightly larger omni is done. So cool and balanced

[fiery hill]

And ppl that complain about “not being able to fight back” are all on dinos that can get away from pinning dinos

[valid bone]

stego shouldn't be one-shotted by rex. same with teno and other carnivores shotted by allo

[normal shuttle]

To be fair it sucks that you cannot engage with them at all and that the counterplay is to simply not exist near a creature that may be marginally larger than you

But yes, you can avoid them quite easily, and same goes for all adult dinos that allo can pin

[fiery hill]

They absolutely should be with the exception of stego. They can get sway

Youre a 1.6 ton animal against a 3.9 ton prime allo

[fiery hill]

The main issue with allo is the grapple, cuz you can technically pin up to almost 12 tons with elder allos. Thats the unfun part, and it takes so little stam from the allo

[valid bone]

allo is bleeder btw, not dmg dealer

[fiery hill]

Also rex can pin up to 75% of its weight, prime steg doesnt get pinned by prime rex for example

[iron knoll]

if its big enough, it pins you to the ground and maul you to death! pretty sure that should be a one shot

[fiery hill]

So it shouldnt kill anything by damage if its small enough?

Its a bleeder against larger targets

[normal shuttle]

I hope kentro is the ultimate pounce counter

Like contact damage and crazy retaliation to pinners

The giant porcupine

[iron knoll]

if teno gets downsized, kento might become the pvp herbi hopefully

[normal shuttle]

Both will be, but teno feels more versatile

Kentro might double down on defense

[fiery hill]

Teno might get downsized thats the issue

Same with diablo

[normal shuttle]

I know

As long as they get the tools to deal with different stuff, it will be fine

Although I want dibble to be a good brawler…

#general-feedback message Ava 360 degree slide

[urban flax]

what's the point ?

[normal shuttle]

Crazy defense against crazy agile opponents like omni or troodon

And immediately being able to correct mistakes

[urban flax]

Ok but if it's a 360 degree slide you just end up in the same direction you begun

[normal shuttle]

And that’s the max range, so it would include all other directions

[livid ember]

Let all dinos pin then

Trike pinning and stomping teno to the ground

[main flare]

where ı can make a tıcket?

for cheater's

[iron knoll]

trike knocks and kills, no difference.

some dinos have different tools, allo tool make sense with the arms to pin and maul.

alberto no sense, nor cera

[livid ember]

Rex no sense too then
Esp when it pins trike

Or a bunch of allos pinning massive targets with no effort

[iron knoll]

we are talkig about 50% or less targets! rex vs trike wether it pins it or not is no difference for me.... it pins it only after trike is broken, its still free meat at that point

yea, i didnt expect rex to have pin, but u can argue it overpowers you with pure strenght then mauls you... it was either that or a one shot/ or breaking in one bite legacy style

[iron knoll]

yea, i do not agree with grapple..... i think grapple is an issue, not the pinning 50% or less targets

like 3 allos can basically prime trikes and rexes, its silly

[livid ember]

Well trike can't autowin rex on certain low hp

[livid ember]

This too

[iron knoll]

trike shouldnt get low hp vs rex anyways! it has the advantage

unless its a 1vs2, trike should not lose to rex, at least before this breaking in 2 bites... any version of rex before this one was ez work for trike

[livid ember]

Rex should really get its dmg slightly buffed but fracture nerfed

Why did they make basic bite even more useless

[fiery hill]

These changes are the absolute opposite of what rex and non rex players wanted lol

[livid ember]

Fracture is like the least interactive rex of all

[iron knoll]

u find me completely agreeing with you.... the trike i fought was a pathetic fight..... i broke in 2 crushes.... then it took 15 days to kill it, cause was doing no dmg...but fight was basically over! its not fun for either parts

high dmg, and not breaking so easily is the way

[livid ember]

It really isnt, tho we managed to do some crazy fights vs dibble fed rex megapacks as trikes

Like 3 trikes (2 10 ton primes and a 7 ton sub) vs 3 prime and 2 fg rexes we still killed 2 primes and only lost a sub

Good thing dibble grazers have massive skill issue

[iron knoll]

i mean.... i just took my time, and played it smart, and trike just had to wait for me to finally kill him... which took a bunch of crushes cause of no dmg! if it was the opposite, the trike would have had a better chance to fight till the end, and fight would have been over quicker

either way, wether with my death, or trikes death

[fiery hill]

Afaik, rex still does a lot more damage when it pins and on the hit that fractures, otherwise standard 1k damage, hence why it kills on the last crush, not cuz trike would otherwise survive it

Idk the exact numbers but it makes sense, its the “execution attack with a stam cost” devs mentioned

Thats why you one shot boars and deers relatively early

[iron knoll]

ggs! death to all the dibble campers

[livid ember]

I don't mind rex pinning trike when trike is like 1 hit from death so its like a finish animation

But def not 3k hp trike, it basically means trike has 3k hp less in a rex fight

Also kinda ehh that rex can stun same sized trike but its alr
And fracture dmg not negating to the head seems like a bug

Otherwise I agree rex should maul small things if it reached them

[iron knoll]

yea, i think and hope its a bug the fracture dmg on head.... but without the stunning rex would be trading hits, and would not be worth it

trike should take no dmg, nor fracture build up on head, just body or back

[fiery hill]

Like I said i think its just cuz the pin damage is 2800 on crush, regular is 1000

[livid ember]

If you managed to get caught by rex as smth like teno - you die
I only see the dibble issue but dibble is just bad rn

[iron knoll]

they need to rebalance dibble yea

[fiery hill]

Allo also gets caught

Especially with new rex stam unless youre elder allo you cant escape cuz of your slow trot

[livid ember]

Slow allo trot is also a problem

[fiery hill]

I mean i think allo base run should be around 37 kmh

[livid ember]

Ngl i think prime apexes shouldnt get their speed increased

34 kmh on rex is just absurd

[fiery hill]

I dont think any prime should get their speed increased other than speed dinos

But the speed nerf on 100% is also very heavy on most stuff

My allo was 32.4 or something before I entombed

At peak speed youre 37.9

I think 1-2 kmh slower than fg but slightly faster trot for most animals is fine as prime at 100%

Because you already take 20% more damage

[keen shell]

its still not been released though and even if it was released thats 2 dinos in a year anyway you frame it thats very slow progress

[normal shuttle]

[stray nest]

is Rexes bone crush supposed to go through solid objects?

[limber hull]

i would assume probably not

[stray nest]

it goes through containers, pipes ... they need to fix it

[boreal thorn]

@fallen sky I don't think they're buggy at all. You just need to go where they can actually spawn, like sp's migration and patrol zone, even if they havent spawned yet, it counts anyways. Migrations and Patrol zones work as intended in hordetest, from my previous experience in HT.

[fallen sky]

They work, technically... its not good. A system that relies on external map websites and prayers either needs to be reworked or removed.

[glass lion]

Stego bleed = significant debuffs on enemies. When? All this does is make me wanna play trike for the first time (never played that thing - I'm strickly a stego main as of current) and that scares me because trike has to do actual gameplay to win, which requires brain power that I don't have. Sure there are instance where you land near a rock and can deter, but that's not always case, especially when not fully grown or a horde of rexes come at you.

[cinder haven]

Well, our Stego posts got more votes. At least I'll remind you again.

[pliant elm]

Stego still needs some adjustments, but focusing more on bleeding isn't so bad

Rex also needs nerfs

[livid ember]

Didnt it just recieve some? Or were those buffs?

[iron knoll]

i heard stam should be fixed, but idk how much!
dmg was not buffed, but apparently in the patch note it says that ALL rex attackS build up fracture.... but the fracture thrashold should be fixed, so no more breakig trikes in 2 crushes.... but the more attacks u land in general the more chances to get a fracture u have i guess?

[livid ember]

Idk really

[iron knoll]

seeems like they leaning toward legacy rex which was mostly about breaking

[livid ember]

Fracture on all attacks is kinda bs

[iron knoll]

yea.. idk if that means that headbuts do as well xD

[pliant elm]

Rex had a reduction in bite force damage, but an increase in fracture damage and Stam pool

To be honest, this damage nerf doesn't change anything

Fracture is an extremely op debuff

[indigo notch]

Damn we really need someone to test this lol

I wanna know how much crushes it would take to fracture a trike/stego now it might’ve gotten mega nerfed

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message @dusky bluff the solution is get down on the ground and tussel with them after pteranodons ground stuff comes in

[icy lion]

@sonic jolt Check the pinned messages in the official server channels to see how to report hackers

[sonic jolt]

man i've tried.... but this isn't something you can just report, without f2 you don't know their names or have evidence, they make new accounts, get nested in.. they controlled over 1/3 of the map

[icy lion]

You don't need to have an f2 or know their names to make a report

As I said, check the pins in #evrima-na #evrima-eu to see how to make one

[golden horizon]

#general-feedback message
Non-cannibals have to sacrifice a mutation slot, while cannibals dont

[wooden agate]

cannibal mutation is also meant to be locked and pretty annoying to get

[normal shuttle]

I hate dinosaur ai so much bro #general-feedback message

Carnivores are just like herbivores now in terms of difficulty eating

Rex is so free if you team up

[limber hull]

i genuinely struggle to understand if these posts are like, satire or not

Like saying that you're scared of playing trike because you might have to think for once is absolutely hysterical but also does not sound like a real argument an actual person would make

[icy lion]

@mystic parcel Check the pinned messages in the official server channels to see how to report hackers, and read rule 11

[junior nymph]

@past cave

id suggest reading what the devs have been saying as it makes things they do make alot more sense

[past cave]

I dont have time to read everything the devs do, lol

[junior nymph]

its a devblog

it takes 2 minutes to understand what the devs do, literally probs like just double the time it took for you to write that post

[past cave]

regardless if they were testing it. Why take it away in the first place.

[junior nymph]

because they are completely changing the skin system in its entirety

[limber hull]

it's

it's a testing branch, they do things for testing lmao (also they want to fine-tune pallets before releasing them)

like all the colours you know and love are still on live branch

[wooden agate]

"if they are testing it why mess with it"

how do you test something without messing with it.........

[past cave]

🙄

[pliant elm]

Well, animals have a very wide variety of colors, not just brown and green

[junior nymph]

well yea, thats why they are changing it?

[pliant elm]

Colors should indeed return, if what they're looking fora are make sense...

[past cave]

its more of the fact of why not keep what we had and test on the side like they do with fixing bugs etc.

or just remove the skin editor in general and force everyone to be base skin 😂

[junior nymph]

im not in favour for the limited colours, im just saying they will change how the skins are made so you cant make a unnaturalistic skin which doesnt mean just browns and greens

[past cave]

good ole legacy days

[limber hull]

"why not keep what we had and test on the side"

they're literally doing that

the testing branch is "on the side", it isn't the live main EVRIMA branch

you can still easily get what you had on the live version for now

[livid ember]

#general-feedback message seems like fracture got buffed to oblivion on rex if its actually after the patch

https://youtu.be/0zCGOQpn5bY?si=ydr8INNgQQsfSMns yeah rex also has fracture on all of its attacks now🤡

Imagine headswing doing fracture

[limber hull]

im shocked headswing does fracture tbh

like at that point you'd think maia, dibble, trike or such would also do fracture