general-feedback-discussion

[ocean coral]

Can’t tell what your point is

[woeful latch]

same honestly

[compact sequoia]

this has no meaning then

[ocean coral]

Rex trex bite force??

bro what

[compact sequoia]

it can one shot trike on body

[barren crater]

Stego isn't going to get a higher headshot multiplier anyways 😭

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/catstare-gif-8960785107294365444

[compact sequoia]

trike can impale it too

[barren crater]

Like no point even suggesting that lol

[desert arch]

Name one animal that would survive 4, 1m long spikes that travel at nearly the speed of sound to their head 🙏

[compact sequoia]

The stego spine would break if it swings that hard as you suggest

[desert arch]

Name an animal so your argument stays relevant then

[cyan flame]

You realize that the damage is just a number in the game, right?

[compact sequoia]

name a animal that would survive 3 x trex biteforce

[woeful latch]

tenont….. okay sorry.

[desert arch]

EXACTLY LMAO

[woeful latch]

don’t mmm cheesy gif me, i won’t survive that

[desert arch]

Everything 1 taps everything with realism

So insanely fun and engaging

[compact sequoia]

then a 6 ton animal should not have 1200 dmg

[cyan flame]

Probably few, hence why rex might not be given that much damage, outside of something like the crush with it's own mechanics

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-cats-cute-sandwich-gif-10022877714927620590

[cyan flame]

Just like how deino have lunge

[barren crater]

Increased headshot multiplier is a hilarious suggestion anyways when you consider what allo's and rex ability is

[cyan flame]

Why not? It has that damage because it is otherwise "weak". If it had lower damage, you might have to up the weight/health, or do something else, like put the head multiplier back to normal, or even add the armor and lower it (yes, stegos did have some kind of armor around head and neck, probably to solve that weakness)

[compact sequoia]

if stego has its op dmg then it should get its op weakness of a small vulnerable head...hence 6 cera bites could take that pachy size head off....maybe even less but for balance 6

[desert arch]

Why do you want rex to 1 shot stego so badly

[compact sequoia]

stego head had light armour

[cyan flame]

It has weakness, it's already a 2x multiplier, where everything else has 1.5x or lower

[compact sequoia]

not enough for a 1200 6 ton herbi

[cyan flame]

Yes, it had some armor, so by all rights, it should be a lower multiplier than the critters that do not have armor at all

[cyan flame]

Yes, plenty enough, if you look at the damage of the things it might have to fight

[ocean coral]

Legit don’t understand what your saying, one sentence you think Rex is gonna destroy stego and say that’s unfair and the other you complain about stegos damage

[compact sequoia]

its head is the same as pachy...it should have 5x multiplier minimum

[desert arch]

Why does stego specifically deserve to be 1-2 shot by every apex imaginable while being slower than most of them

[cyan flame]

You kill it in 6 bites as deino, that's plenty. Pachy has a lower multiplier I'm pretty sure, so that'd give stego lower, rather than higher, multiplier.

[desert arch]

Pachy has a 0.75x yeah

[compact sequoia]

then protect your head

[compact sequoia]

but way less health

[cyan flame]

And you have to. Remember stego can't turn while attacking, not even with the swing, or the running one

[ocean coral]

Probably because of its tiny ahh legs

[cyan flame]

All of stegos attacks, unless something has changed, stops it in its tracks

[junior nymph]

rex trex rex

[ocean coral]

Oh ok

[junior nymph]

your welcome 🙂

[compact sequoia]

frog face returns

[desert arch]

Brother what 😭

[cyan flame]

So the moment you do an attack, you become "stuck" and have to start moving again, or keep attacking, while the opponent can move towards your head while attacking

[desert arch]

That didnt answer anything

[junior nymph]

only to clown cause we had this discussion for 2 hours

[cyan flame]

Because it's smaller?

[compact sequoia]

A small head is also very vulnerable

even with a big body

[desert arch]

You already have to protect your head, 9 bites from a cera kill you, 6 bites from a deino kill you, 2-3 bites from a rex will kill you

And I didnt even bring in any herbivore examples

[cyan flame]

And what part of, it is vunerable, do you not get? It already has a higher multiplier. It is already weak, meanwhile, trike has not only far more health, but also a lower head multiplier.

[compact sequoia]

you can 4 shot deino

[desert arch]

Good

[compact sequoia]

you can 1 shot cera

[woeful latch]

good

[compact sequoia]

stego brain discussion ✅

[desert arch]

Trike almost 1 shots stego with a combo to the head for gods sake 😭

[cyan flame]

As, I imagine, rex will be able to, and trike kind of can

[compact sequoia]

it should

[desert arch]

You cant have apexes going around 1-2 shotting each other, the game has to respect the time people sank into growing them

[cyan flame]

It's fine, because stego can just avoid trike

No need to engage with one, just walk away and you're good

[compact sequoia]

stego is unfair to everything for last 2 years so

[desert arch]

Revenge balancing my beloved

[compact sequoia]

plenty food no predator

[cyan flame]

It's not, it never was

[limber hull]

i wonder why they're adding rex and allo soon huh

[cyan flame]

Deino was even more so if anything, being untouchable by everything

[frank tapir]

what are you going to say when sauropods and shant are added? Are you going to complain about them being op?

[cyan flame]

And then they'll complain about rex, and maybe allo (but allo can be hunted by deino, so maybe not)

[compact sequoia]

deino has a food crisis its more than enough for it

[compact sequoia]

weight?

[cyan flame]

It didn't back then

[frank tapir]

about 20 tons for shant

[compact sequoia]

spiro ?

[cyan flame]

I can assure you, deinos did fine with food on old map, hence the large gatherings of them

So deino has had it quite good, better than stego overall

[desert arch]

I remember going to north west on spiro once, and casually seeing more than 30 deinos just chilling at the upper waterfall

[compact sequoia]

no ....6 tons ,1200 dmg....9.5 ,850....8 ton, 500...

[desert arch]

What a sight

[compact sequoia]

not balanced

[woeful latch]

again, that 1200 damage is not even that much considering it doesn’t stun so you can’t even use it to combo.

it’s effective against small rats like cera or dilo, but fighting something big, that slow 1200 alt attack is nothing.

[frank tapir]

trike beats stego in most cases, and rex will be faster

[desert arch]

Trikes gore attack can do 1.5kdmg so yeah

[compact sequoia]

it should be 750 not 1200

[junior nymph]

deino doesnt need high dmg cause of the grab

[desert arch]

Stego not 1 shotting dilo with congenital LMAO

[urban flax]

Make deino able to kill a stego easily and you'll never see a stego as deino again, they'll just go drink at safespots like everyone else
Problem unsolved

[woeful latch]

i think you know little to nothing about balance, no offense.

deinos greatest strength is its one shot mechanic against almost whole roster, it doesn’t need crazy bite force

[woeful latch]

no, it shouldn’t ahah

[compact sequoia]

i am saying 50/50 no dance in water no dance in land ...drink safely....

[cyan flame]

Okay, then up stego weight to 8T, and put the head multiplier down to 1.75

[desert arch]

Tbh even that wouldnt save it😭

[woeful latch]

trike does not do 850, it’s combo does crazy damage while also protecting its head with what.. 90% damage resistance?

[compact sequoia]

make it go slower ✅

[desert arch]

Extra 2k hp wont help it vs rex if it got a nearly 50% dmg reduction

[woeful latch]

I AGREE

[cyan flame]

You don't think stego is slow enough already?

If stego is even slower, then trike has to be slower... I feel bad for trike players

[compact sequoia]

you said increase weight

[cyan flame]

Yeah, that has nothing to do with it's speed, trike is still 1T+ larger, and stego isn't much faster than trike so

[urban flax]

Bye stego then

[cyan flame]

You could probably keep the speed, or maybe lower it a tiny bit, but still being faster than trike (and a better run anim wouldnt be wrong to be honest, but thats another thing)

[compact sequoia]

now why not make stego the next spino....maybe it can kill sauropods or godzilla ✅

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[desert arch]

🍿

[cyan flame]

Even if you just upped the weight, and changed the multiplier, trike and rex would still have the advantage over it, spino and shant even more so

[woeful latch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1232185340425404427/1348207013179686984/IMG_2950.gif

[cyan flame]

It's like you do not grasp how powerful the other large playables are and can and most likely will be

[woeful latch]

i’m just gonna use this gif now

[junior nymph]

im now frolo the frog face

[compact sequoia]

why stop giving it carno legs omni pounce

[woeful latch]

prove it

[junior nymph]

🐸

[woeful latch]

OMG YOU WERENT LYING

i will never doubt you again.

[cyan flame]

You're way too stuck on your idaea of stego having to be weak because of weight or whatever the reason is

[junior nymph]

thank you

[compact sequoia]

not weak 1200 dmg has no justification for 6 ton animal

[cyan flame]

It does when you look at what it needs to fight

[frank tapir]

if you reduce its damage you have to increase its speed

[woeful latch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1232185340425404427/1348207013179686984/IMG_2950.gif

[compact sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-evrima-kaperoo-dryosaurus-deinosuchus-gif-25343537

[woeful latch]

me when i die to fall damage

irl..

[compact sequoia]

anyways lets see what happens in future...there will be something

[frank tapir]

stego buffs when rex drops

[compact sequoia]

you wish

[ocean coral]

one more question, how much bites do you think it should take for a cera to kill a kentro (to the head)

[frank tapir]

unless stego already can beat a rex in most cases

[cyan flame]

Might need it, depending on what they do with rex and then the rest of the roster up there

[ocean coral]

Unless rex has a broken pin ability it shouldn’t need any since the damage difference is already crazy

[desert arch]

If rex gets any form of cc that can be used on stego, stego will for sure need buffs

[frank tapir]

I wonder if kentro will have really high damage for its size

[lilac bolt]

is the argument between stego and deino is still going on?

[ocean coral]

probably double tenos damage

[frank tapir]

I think he got tired or something

[lilac bolt]

ok good its been hours

[ocean coral]

I highly doubt that rex is gonna do as much damage as trike does to other apexes

[woeful latch]

hopefully

[normal shuttle]

Most likely, or it will get some good back defense/contact damage to make up for it

[limber hull]

a 1300kg animal can do 350 damage

SO LET'S MATH THAT OUT

350/1300 = ~0.27, or 27%

1200/6000 = 0.2, or 20%

Ceratosaurus, with its ability, can do more damage proportionally than a stegosaurus can with that alt-tailswing

"Oh, but Wavepoole, buh buh powerswing"

Yea cool I was getting to that

HERRERASAURUS

~350/175 = 2, or 200%

2250/6000 = 0.38, or 38%

yea lol

[woeful latch]

it doesn’t look like current stego can stun trike, so if it can’t stun rex then it needs a buff

[frank tapir]

what about omni though

[normal shuttle]

Deinosuchus maximum damage

6000/8000 =0,75 75%

lmao

[limber hull]

That too

[ocean coral]

Very good point

[limber hull]

The entire idea relies on you looking at stegosaurus in a vacuum, which is evidently all he is doing lmao

[desert arch]

Stegos max stun capacity is things 1.25x larger than it so it wont stun rex yeah

[normal shuttle]

Rex 2800/9350 =0,299 29,9%

lol

Stego is a glass cannon and even then it doesn’t have the highest damage in one hit

It probably has the highest dps

But only on static targets

Stego is built like MH Dual Blades ong

[woeful latch]

stego, when beipi comes: 😳🕶️🤏

[placid anchor]

#general-feedback message
It might work that way, but in reality, the noise drowns out any sounds in the game. It's not right. It comes on and goes off suddenly. It sounds foreign. It's loud. It's broken.

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-sunken-place-movie-crying-gif-12561084

[limber hull]

the beast

[normal shuttle]

Beipi my beloved

But it should be 400kg because irl it could suplex deino and it should in game. The isle is a super accurate game yet no dinosaur is accurate

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-that-what-is-happening-sam-neill-remove-sunglasses-gif-15770358

[ashen shell]

#general-feedback message
this is how a hordetest works 🥴💫🥴💫

[woeful latch]

yeah the ping is honestly outrageous, having issues playing on the server with 30 people on

[junior nymph]

@azure ruin the devs have said they will be pulling back the colors for most creatures down the line since they dont like bright raptors, carnos etc

[normal shuttle]

@placid anchor that is literally what they do they are larger and stronger

[vernal jacinth]

@rare marsh you can report that in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[rare marsh]

-198.579,154, 147.631,29, 25.699,024 this place is a death trap for (small crocs) one moment you're swimming, next moment you fall down into the void between the rocks. its in the normal falls from dam lake downstream

[rare marsh]

oh thnanks

ok i did, do you get feedback on that or just hope theyll pick it up ?

[vernal jacinth]

The devs look at every report

[rare marsh]

👍

[proper bluff]

idk if its the channel for this but i was alone on a ht server few days back, and my ping was spiking up to 500, i live in europe and i was playing on a eu server. how on earth does that happen

[rare marsh]

can be anything

but most likely its something in your own home network

[proper bluff]

i have cable network idk why does it happen

and it works normal in other games

[rare marsh]

so do i but my router crapped up one day and i got disconnects every half an hour or so

[proper bluff]

it aint rlly balanced (there was barely anyone on the server and i ate this plant in a second even tho it is way bigger than i am)

[normal shuttle]

Balanced unironically

Give significant debuffs to poor diet and we will have a perfect way of encouraging apex herbivores competing with everyone else

[icy lion]

@sinful terrace Check the pinned messages in #evrima-eu

[sinful terrace]

k

[bronze niche]

"way bigger than i am" i doubt that bush weighs more than 6.1 tons

but it should give more food for herbivores, i think the plan was for apex herbivores to compete over the food system thats why they give so little

[proper bluff]

i meant the size not the weight

[proper bluff]

ye but in this case balance<realism

[normal shuttle]

no

it's not balanced either

herbis should also have a reason to compete and encourage people to move around

instead of having a megaherd happily camping 2 of the 3 highlands patrols

[molten ibex]

SA hordtest 🙏🏻

[woeful latch]

that looks silly but important part is 1% hunger for trike is not the same as 1% hunger for teno for example, so even if food give you just 1% it will last for long time

gives*

[potent solar]

can the game be optimize i have very low fps

[languid locust]

hordetest was so laggy i couldnt even load in, i would just be stuck on a black screen anytime i tryed to join a server

[vernal ermine]

can we talk about ptera's stam being so slow to regen

[normal shuttle]

@dawn hound lol, there’s no a way a beipi is getting caught by a deino it saw coming. They’re barely any different swimming underwater but beipi can vastly outmaneuver a deino or jump out of the water (or over the deino) to escape effortlessly

And deino is BY FAR the slowest semi aquatic on land, so why shouldn’t it be the fastest in the water? It’s a crocodile.

[sudden shell]

I hope that gets changed with the ptera rework

[normal shuttle]

Likely not, it is getting a different flight and better land movement though

[sudden shell]

Good enough for me!

[normal shuttle]

It is long, but it also has by far the longest runtime out of any other playable, so I think it is fair.

What isn’t fair however is that you must take off to do basically every mildly long or even medium distance movement, but that is getting addressed in the Ht soon with “more effective land movement” so you won’t need to fly all the time and waste so much stam with successive takeoffs

Also slipstreams

Yeah it is objectively one of the slowest regens but it is for the best traveler in the game by far and the one that drains the slowest for the speed it has

So it only needs to not be helpless on land

[dawn hound]

I dont know how it works, but I have played beipy on an admin server with a friend who has been a deino, and we tested speed. I tried to do both purely swimming under water, and with dolphin jumps the fastest way I could, and yet he was as fast as I was. And its lunge could outspeed me.

Also another thing, crocodiles arent the cheetahs of waters. They are heavy animals that only really catch fish or swimmers by surprise, or jump land animals when theyre drinking or doing other activities.
I dont know if I did something wrong as a beipy, but my friend who played the deino in the race was definitely faster than I was.

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message the angle

[normal shuttle]

You likely did because your strength doesn’t lie in being fast in a straight line (and as a rather suboptimal swimmer body theropod), but rather your maneuverability and being twice as fast in land

Also deino has laughably low stamina compared to beipi

[dawn hound]

Fair enough, but still, its an 8 ton animal

I get that stuff like orcas get to manuever very fast in water, but come on

[normal shuttle]

Beipi dolphins jumping can effortlessly swim for like a kilometer whereas Deino is out of breath in way less than a minute. And Beipi has the fastest stamina recovery in the game tied with hypsi

[normal shuttle]

A 8 ton gator with 3-4 tons dedicated to that tail powering the whole hydrodynamic body, while also being infinitely less capable in land and at turning

[dawn hound]

Okay I guess, but at least I think it wouldve been fair if beipiarosaurus could jump onto high ledges of rocks at rivers.

I dont have a big problem with deino being that speedy, but when it comes to animals that are ment to outmanuever others, its just the desync that ruins those.

[normal shuttle]

@torn void I have the impression they aren’t to scale there in that edit, and even if they were, allo is still significantly larger and bulkier because height isn’t all that matters

[normal shuttle]

You can?

Nothing is stopping you from having some safe spot to jump on like a log or a rock

And desync is not something intentional nor necessarily common

[dawn hound]

Ive tried, and the leap was not high enough

[normal shuttle]

At least not wild desync

[dawn hound]

even for small ledges

[normal shuttle]

You can jump onto logs, or even the sp higher waterfall rock very easily

Or guess what, you can jump over the deino as it comes towards you so it has to waste its time turning around

[normal shuttle]

In fact I think your image is perspective because the allo has been pushed BACK in order to put the others

While carno is the one originally in the image

[dawn hound]

Would it take two or three allos to pin a stego?

[normal shuttle]

Three most likely for a fg

Because allo if I am not mistaken was datamined to be 2.4T but that is subject to change

So two can very easily grapple a dibble if they get grappling (dunno why they wouldn’t)

Or a Maia, while one of them drastically slows the prey down

Like if an allo pounces you as dibble I would say it’s over if there’s another and you’re not already camping water or terrain

Because you’re gonna get slowed down to like trot speed if not less

Assuming ofc allo is 2.4T and the same slowdown math as Omni applies

[dawn hound]

Hold on, if you have to outweigh the target by yourself or with your packmate/s, how can two omnis pin a carno? I dont know if I had a lucid dream or something, but I remember seeing a clip of two omnis pinning a FG carno to the ground in a pvp arena

[normal shuttle]

Because you only need two if the target is below a certain stamina or blood threshold

[dawn hound]

ohhh, interesting

[normal shuttle]

But a healthy target needs the weight math

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message hmmm meow meow…

[normal shuttle]

Saying this after tail slam got shadow nerf is crazy

[woeful latch]

saying this when omni gets knocked down for 0.5 seconds is crazy..

knockdown in general got nerfed so many times, it’s so short nowdays.

[dawn hound]

How is blood deciding if youre getting pinned or not 😭?

Or I dont know if I understood correctly

[normal shuttle]

I’m guessing the logic is that your dino would be already fairly weak

[dawn hound]

I guess

[normal shuttle]

Still it’s rather hard to do that

Since you gotta drain like 70-80% blood from a target

That requires work for most stuff other than live branch carno

[dawn hound]

I have actually never seen a good omniraptor ingame sadly. Most of them just go immidiatelly for pouncing, instead of mostly biting.

[normal shuttle]

Yeah that goes for many playables and most of the community

So many players are new or clueless

And omni punishes mistakes very hard and can take some skill to use vs big game even though pinning solo is broken

@willow storm no

[willow storm]

I have gifted you wisdom with the words I have spoken. Yet you reject them. I am disgusted.

[normal shuttle]

git gud

[warped tinsel]

IS THAT ALLO????

[normal shuttle]

Allo is on skin editor, and yes

that's allo next to a stego

[warped tinsel]

a fg allo???

[normal shuttle]

it is huge, it's just that the scale is messed up in the feedback image

[normal shuttle]

ye

much larger and bulkier than a carno or cera

[warped tinsel]

should be the same height as sub rex no?

or slightly smaller

[normal shuttle]

this perspective is so messed because carno is like 2 meters in front of the Allo lol

[normal shuttle]

subadult is a spectrum, growth is seamless now

but yes, I expect a rex to be subadult if it is allo sized or larger until it starts truly bulking

Allo is so much larger than carno, cera or even teno

[warped tinsel]

that looks funky af lol

but i love the model of the allo

[normal shuttle]

if you actually put them overlapping each other, allo would dwarf them

surprised not a single person upvoted that

[warped tinsel]

I also saw trike counters rex which is nice

[normal shuttle]

where

we've never seen them actually fighting

[warped tinsel]

it was in the dev blog

[normal shuttle]

just rex bugging

[warped tinsel]

theres a small clip where the rex shrinks after they release from sparr but its there

[normal shuttle]

wouldn't make sense for trike to counter rex when they are meant to fight each other

[warped tinsel]

yeah but rex wont be a meat monopoly and it wont be abused by everyone

i like that all playables (or most) have their own thing makes the game more balanced

[normal shuttle]

I know

[vernal ermine]

My concern is if they're going to use slipstreams and better groundmovement as an excuse to make flight take more stam and be less effective

[vital laurel]

@inland hawk to a degree yes, but we also have brightness and saturation now so we can make more colours from one option

[wooden agate]

^ like pretty much every color you showed can currently be recreated in game on rex to some degree lol

the main issue with rex imo is it seems to have some weird brown overlay on it that makes messing with the brightness/saturation less pronounced than something like allo

allos color scheme is pretty much fine except for the male colors due to how much variety you can get from the colors you do have

[normal shuttle]

that's absurd

at worst they will keep it as it is: just fine

[vernal ermine]

you think so?

[normal shuttle]

yeah, it's dumb

devs know ptera is trash

there's no need to do some weird monkey paw situation

just give everything to it and leave the +4 minute stam regen

[vernal ermine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP8d6JbLGPk&t=571s

9:18

"thank god pteranodon is being moved to mostly a terrestrial creature"

i know it sounds like a conspiracy theory but i think they're actually going to make flight less appealing

than it already is

[vital laurel]

I dont know how ground movment will be more apealing than current flight as movment, but oh well

[vernal ermine]

it seems like they're going to make ground movement better, and add a new system to flight

[normal shuttle]

OR maybe it means that you're gonna have more to do than just sitting at a rock and only flying down to fish

[vernal ermine]

but i think that just means they're going to worsen flight and make ground/flight more like a 50/50 instead of flight being superior

[vernal ermine]

dondi's pretty vocal about him not liking ptera's ability to scout around and mixpack, he also prefers people explore the map with terrestrial creatures instead of ptera

that's why he disables ptera in many hordetests where map is reworked

for example when gateway was released

with that, he said "ptera's being moved to mostly terrerstial creature"

that's concerning

[wooden agate]

theyve said literally nothing that supports this

[limpid dock]

Literally all they need to do is add a discomfort/disease system that punishes species that shouldn't be together for being together to debuff mix packers

[vernal ermine]

That's not viable, it can be abused

[limpid dock]

How so?

[vital laurel]

okay and what will happen when me and my carno buddies run around the trike until our rex buddy comes for a free meal

[vernal ermine]

yeah i've read this message of kitten's at least a dozen times now

[vital laurel]

plus a scout wouldn't be close to the guys he is helping 🤣

[vernal ermine]

also, this won't even work against ptera scouts

[limpid dock]

Touche

[vernal ermine]

how will the game distinguish between ptera scouts and normal pteras who's just watching from above

[limpid dock]

It wouldn't

[vital laurel]

yes so then we dont add a bad system like this one

[limpid dock]

I can't think of a good work around

[vernal ermine]

that's a different topic doe, my concern is what they're going to do to our lovely ptera's flight

[vital laurel]

cus mixpackers would just not be close except for fights

[limpid dock]

I think the only good solution is having more moderation

And making it explicitly against the rules

[vernal ermine]

on officials?

[limpid dock]

Yeah, since right now ptera nerfs affect all servers, officials included. That's the only way they could reasonably stop mix packing on officials

[vernal ermine]

the point with official servers is to give players full freedom

apart from cheating ofc

[limpid dock]

That's antithetical to dondi nerfing ptera to nerf mix packs then

The nerfing of ptera was to nerf mix packs, so then officials aren't for player freedom

[vernal ermine]

it's not confirmed that they're nerfing ptera, i'm just theorizing it

[limpid dock]

No, that's literally what devs have said about ptera nerfs

[vernal ermine]

wait really? when

[limpid dock]

I don't have anything on hand, but I'm pretty certain it was said in a Livestream

[vernal ermine]

yeah wouldn't be surprised

i just suspect they're going to rework flight in a way that makes it less powerful than it is now

[limpid dock]

Also what other reason would they have to nerf an already weak animal?

[limpid dock]

Yeah, this

I also suspect the stamina will hardly change

[vernal ermine]

yeah seems like they're going to keep the stamina as bad as it is now

and add slipstreams to excuse it

[lilac bolt]

ptera stam isn't even that bad if you know what you're doing

[icy lion]

Ptera can fly for more than half an hour on its current stam

[vernal ermine]

its stam can last you a while if you fancy gliding without much activity
i more so don't like the stam regen, despite it being one of the weaker small playables

[limpid dock]

The pool isn't the problem, it's the recovery

[icy lion]

The high pool means you rarely need to recover it

[limpid dock]

Also ptera harassing is hardly a problem Imho, anything that can't jump has enough health or speed to not care

[vernal ermine]

ptera's stam recovery is amongst the worst, i think it's pretty unnecessary

[limpid dock]

The issue is that you always need to recover stamina, and at any point you rest to recover some, it takes so much time

[lilac bolt]

tbh just take breaks as you go if you want less time recovering stam. mechanics like latching allow you to do this well without the worry of something killing you.

[limpid dock]

Can't you not recover stamina while latching? Also herreras exist

[icy lion]

Ptera and galli have the same recovery time. Galli's sprint duration is the same as its recovery time at 4m10s, ptera can stay airborne for more than 30 minutes

[icy lion]

You can

[vernal ermine]

i like latch, wish it was more interactable
@limpid dock you can recover even when you're below 60

[limpid dock]

Gotcha

[icy lion]

20% and up for latching

[limpid dock]

Also, super, what's your reasoning against my stamina suggestion? I'm curious

[limpid dock]

It would be neat if you could slowly sidle along whatever you're latching to

[lilac bolt]

you can and herrera's are decently rare to come across and you can get away pretty easily if you do see one.

[icy lion]

It promotes being AFK by making using any stamina a form of punishment, even if you increased water and hunger timers alongside it

[limpid dock]

Walking and trotting don't use stamina

[vernal ermine]

i still suspect they're going to end up making ptera's flight less powerful than it already is tho
seems like they want to make ptera a mini quetz, instead of making it even better at being a flier

[limpid dock]

It's only running, jumping, and attacking that use stamina

[normal shuttle]

At most I'm guessing they will keep it similar or reduce the already overtuned runtime it has

[limpid dock]

Also for the sake of argument, let's say the current stamina level Regen is out

[normal shuttle]

8 minute flight instead of 20 would still be so solid

especially if you make it capable on land

[vernal ermine]

whaaaaaaat

[limpid dock]

Right but the whole gimmick of ptera is flight

[lilac bolt]

tbh all we know is that it'll will hopefully be more skill based.

[vernal ermine]

why would you make ptera fly even less than it does now? it's not an apex

[icy lion]

That wouldn't change anything

[vernal ermine]

it seems like they're making flight more skillbased and harder, which i looooove, but i think they should make it stronger too and not weaker

[lilac bolt]

i don't think that'll be reduced?

[limpid dock]

The only animal I could see having this level of stamina drain is quetz, but that's just because it's an aerial apex

[limpid dock]

But walk and trot not using stamina don't?

Not trying to sass, but I'm trying to defend my argument

[icy lion]

I know, but it would still make using any form of stamina into a punishment

People enjoy using sprint to traverse sometimes

[lilac bolt]

iirc they are giving ptera some more attacks and damage

[icy lion]

Especially on the dinos with lower trot speeds

[vernal ermine]

they're giving it more ways to attack on land yeah

[vital laurel]

The current stamina system makes that the most efficent one, running to 60% and trotting it back up

[icy lion]

Precisely

[normal shuttle]

dude, you can literally travel for twice as long as galli and move over twice the distance. You would be fine with your flight time cut in half when you can move decently on land when it is reworked, while still being untouchable in the air

[limpid dock]

That's fair, but this system would also hypothetically help carnivores not starve, and help the problem of oppressive overly aggressive apex herbivores

[icy lion]

On paper, it's not a bad idea. But it'd be awful in practice

[limpid dock]

I feel like removing some stuff like running to traverse to help those would be worth

Why the question mark?

[icy lion]

How would making regenning stam cost hunger help the class that overall needs to use way more stam to eat not starve?

[vital laurel]

it just feels like overcomplicating a stamina system that already is more than it needs to be

[vernal ermine]

it's a flier. it's only natural that it can cover more distance, it's the third dimension
it shouldn't matter that it's "untouchable" in the air.

[limpid dock]

As an amendment, why not make stamina drain below 60% require food and water instead

[vernal ermine]

it's a flier, let it be really good at flying
sure make it better at ground but don't use it as an excuse to bomb its flying capablities

[limpid dock]

Because when there is no food around (which is relatively common) would not be game ending if you're smart and conserve stamina

[normal shuttle]

it should matter that it is reasonably limited when it is functional invincibility, enhanced traversal, constant speed, no fall damage and also invulnerability while pecking someone

it can be good at flying regardless even if you cut its stamina by 30%

[vital laurel]

I dont like how binary the current stamina is, if that is changed that fixes a lot already

[normal shuttle]

do you realize how much stamina ptera has?

[icy lion]

But it's still game ending because you're still losing hunger and carnivores by and large need to use stamina to hunt

[vernal ermine]

you forget that it weighs around 100kg and is one of the weakest in the roster
ptera doesn't have much stamina, it's just that it can glide for a long time

you can't sprintfly for a long time at all

also just taking off already eats 5% of your stam

[limpid dock]

They do need stamina to hunt, and that's why it's important to gauge your fights and make sure whatever you are hunting is worth it. But I do see your point. It could also be something more subtle than something visibly draining

[vernal ermine]

i think the rework of flight is ultimately going to be a nerf disguised as a rework

[vital laurel]

No matter how much, 5 minute time out on playing practially is not fun.

[limpid dock]

This

[vernal ermine]

it adds up with dondi's opinions and the way they've described the rw

[normal shuttle]

you can diminish the effects by making ptera not helpless on land

You know, like they plan on doing

[vernal ermine]

the point of pteranodon is it being a flier, you shouldn't nerf flight just so it can be another critter

[normal shuttle]

correct, because it is a pterosaur. Gliding is the main thing and sprintfly is like 100kph

[vital laurel]

It still takes a long while to recover!

[vernal ermine]

yep. it being able to glide for 30 minutes isn't a problem at all

[normal shuttle]

you can nerf flight if it has more to do than just flying. No one is gonna be a better airborne creature brug

[vernal ermine]

it should be able to glide for even longer imo

[normal shuttle]

no lol

[normal shuttle]

alright then, better regen but less runtime. Fixed

[wooden agate]

correction, it can fly FOR an hour on its current stam

[vernal ermine]

you taking off from a mountain?

[wooden agate]

considering the fact its effectively immortal for that hour, it kind of is a bit of a problem

[icy lion]

I wanted to exclude things that weren't necessarily "normal" gameplay but yea

[vernal ermine]

it cannot peck things for an entire hour without resting, not for 30 minutes either

[wooden agate]

i think having one challenge in your life (gaining altitude) and then being rewarded for STAMINA FREE TRAVEL FOR AN HOUR is fine on ptetanodon

[vernal ermine]

this is the problem i'm talking about
i suspect they're tryna use better ground capabilities as an excuse to nerf flight

[vital laurel]

I can fly around and fish for a while, but that slow as stamina ruins ptera for me

[wooden agate]

and by extension normal gameplay

[vernal ermine]

i'd get it if it was quetz but ptera is harmless to most of the roster

[normal shuttle]

and is that a bad thing?

Bary being mainly a semi aquatic piscivore doesn't mean it shouldn't be flexible and have other things going for it. Same logic applies

[vital laurel]

no cus you loose all your potential energy cus the flight isnt using physics, it is just on rails, i can make altitude speed but i cant make speed into altitude and that ruins a lot

[normal shuttle]

it being a flier doesn't mean it should only do that, let alone gliding for like...40 minutes?

[vernal ermine]

It's amazing that they're giving ptera more things to do on land
I'm just saying they better not use that as an excuse to nerf its flight

[limpid dock]

Sorry for replying, if I could emoji react this with a yes, I would. Good take

[vernal ermine]

Buff it on the ground and if anything, buff its flight as well. It's a flier, make it really good at that. Make it good at the ground too, but let its specialty be flight

don't nerf flight just because it's going to get more ground attacks and better ground movement

i gurantee ptera's playerbase will be even smaller if they end up making its flight more unbearable than it already is with the stam regen

[wooden agate]

what does that have to do with anything i said

god forbid pteranodon has one (1) challenge in its immortality

its like people complaining about spino beating deino in the water lol

[vital laurel]

You said by gaining altitude you use your long travel time for normal gameplay but you can’t

[vital laurel]

Bro what, not having flight physics isn’t a challenge, it is just an oversight

[wooden agate]

so flying around the map is not normal gameplay?

[vernal ermine]

lets say ptera's flight is buffed with longer runtime and faster stam regen
@wooden agate with ptera being "more immortal", what is the problem?

what problems will occur? what is your problem with ptera being hard to catch when it is as harmless as it is to fullgrowns

[wooden agate]

no where did i mention flight physics

[vital laurel]

I usually don’t get a lot of water and food from that no. I generally don’t constantly move either and don’t find having my flight be the best at that be super nice either

[vital laurel]

I did, that was my entire message 💀

“i think having one challenge in your life (gaining altitude) and then being rewarded for STAMINA FREE TRAVEL FOR AN HOUR is fine on ptetanodon.

and by extension normal gameplay”

But it doesn’t extend to normal gameplay since I can’t apply this altitude into much practical stuff since I permanently loose it if I dive

[wooden agate]

yes that was in response to superlunary

i didnt read your message lol

like i genuinely have no idea what youre talking about

[vital laurel]

I don’t have any idea of what your are talking about, how does me flying around at height limit do anything for my gameplay lol

[wooden agate]

like idk where you come up with things to say but i never mentioned flight physics

[vernal ermine]

• buff the stam regen
• more flight time
• give it diving capabilities
• better groundwork (already planned)
• better skillbased flight, but not nerfing the flight

[wooden agate]

it doesnt need it though lol

pteranodon does fine in the current build and is about to get 10x better lol

[icy lion]

Why does it need more flight time?

[wooden agate]

the hour is not enough apparently

[icy lion]

And yea I'm just waiting to reserve judgement until the rework

Because maybe the flight time will be reduced, maybe it'll be effectively increased, we don't know

Slipstreams kinda negate the need to buff it

[vernal ermine]

The hour you're referring to is very situational. Either you fly up and use all your stam, or you take off from a mountain

That hour-long flight is just you gliding around

[icy lion]

You can get from sea level to highlands on half a stam bar

The problem with balancing ptera is that it's extremely sensitive to how much patience and know-how the player has

[normal shuttle]

the reason behind it won't be to nerf flight, but more so not make ptera helpless vs juvis on land

[icy lion]

The exact same ptera (in terms of stats and diets and whatever else) can either struggle to fly for more than 2 minutes or be airborne for an hour, all depending on the player

[vernal ermine]

i'm pretty sure they're going to use it as an excuse to nerf its flightitme or make the flight less powerful

[normal shuttle]

and that very much is a conspiracy

[vernal ermine]

yeah as i said earlier it's a conspiracy theory

[normal shuttle]

everyone else just sees a net benefit from being useful against anything but hypsi on land

[wooden agate]

no, you just have to fly up to the edge of big dome

[vernal ermine]

dondi's opinion makes it pretty clear imo

[wooden agate]

small investment for being able to get literally anywhere you want on the map

[vernal ermine]

I don't understand wym

[icy lion]

But it doesn't need more flight time. It doesn't even need the amount of flight time it currently has. Flight needs to be more dynamic with better physics and momentum

[normal shuttle]

that ptera players get a benefit from not having their entire thing go around flying and fishing

theyre less adaptable than a braincell

so it's good that ptera is no longer going to be restricted to spectator mode, but rather a functional playable

[vernal ermine]

yeah that's what i said

it's good that it is getting more to do on the ground

but bad that they're planning to use that as an excuse to nerf flight

[vital laurel]

No, I did bc you said you could use long high flies in normal gameplay but you kinda can’t due to it

[wooden agate]

so what is pteranodons normal gameplay

what gameplay should it be achieving for its niche

[vital laurel]

Usually I fish or look for small prey, I don’t fly over the tree tops constantly, I can barely see food from there

[icy lion]

Depending on the improvements that flight is getting, and the addition of thermals, the stam will almost certainly need a nerf

[wooden agate]

so somehow, when people can get to NE lake from swamp with half their stam (from ground level btw), you cant save enough stamina to... fish? when you can latch to a tree and swallow it whole and then take off with no stamina cost?

[vital laurel]

….

[wooden agate]

you are somehow losing that much stamina... while occasionally tapping space to stay above the water? to maintain altitude over grasslands?

when people barely spend stamina to travel half the map from ground level

and somehow, it is pteranodons fault

okay buddy, lets get you back to bed

[vital laurel]

I have never said that, I said long travel doesn’t rly translate into normal gameplay

[vernal ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/that's-propaganda-joe-rogan-burn-the-boats-it's-a-lie-it's-not-true-gif-16677246451957138489

[vital laurel]

Don’t put words in my mouths

[wooden agate]

oh you need the video evidence?

[wooden agate]

you said yourself that is your gameplay

fishing and looking for juvies

cant exactly look for juvies in forests

so you're either a) above grasslands, or b) above a river looking for fish

and somehow losing enough stamina to where you think its an issue

because if you didnt think it was an issue this entire convo wouldnt be happening (or at the very least you wouldnt be here discussing it lol)

[vital laurel]

Yes, I didn’t say I didn’t have a big issue with it, but I said the fact that you can travel long distances doesn’t mean you use it in gameplay since if you dive you can’t use that gained speed to recover altitude

[wooden agate]

sometimes i really have to sit here and stare at the screen because... what?

who cares if you cant use the gain speed to recover altitude?

[vital laurel]

Here is a unedited msg form 50 minutes ago where I say I can dish and fly around for a while…

[wooden agate]

this just in; pteranodon actually CANT use its flying to travel long distance because... it cant instantly get back up after diving

or maybe the issue is the pteranodon players who refuse to use flying to its full potential

whos to really say

[vital laurel]

Active flight is not the same as just flying over the island

[wooden agate]

yeah no duh

[vital laurel]

I literally said you can travel long 2 min before

[wooden agate]

but (to you), its not actually possible in 'real gameplay'

or it doesnt... align with 'real gameplay'

[vernal ermine]

what is the problem with making ptera "More immortal"? @wooden agate you never answered
what havoc would that bring to the ecosystem?

[wooden agate]

well the fact its about to become a menace to juvies on the ground is one reason

[vital laurel]

No, I said it DOESNT TRANSLATE JESUS CHRIST IT ISNT CAUSATION

[vernal ermine]

what's the problem with it becoming that

[wooden agate]

well you cant kill it in the sky

cant really kill it on the ground, it has insta take off + double jump incoming + its a menace to juvies

kill it in a tree? most pteranodon players (despite having two brain cells) are smart enough to avoid heavy herrera areas

[lilac bolt]

it's more so that it can effectively avoid the ecosystem as a whole

[vital laurel]

I’ve killed plenty of ptera on the ground

[wooden agate]

did you not read past ground

like did that part of the sentence kill the pixels on your screen

[vital laurel]

“Can’t rly kill it on the ground” but you can

[wooden agate]

so you didnt

thanks for confirming that

[vital laurel]

Why are you so insulting lol

[vernal ermine]

what's the problem with that though?
Any playable can do that by just going to the corner of gateway

[wooden agate]

you literally just proved youre halfway reading what im saying

what is there to appreciate

[vital laurel]

I read it all but 1 is an upcoming WIP feature we don’t even know if it will come to final, and the meance to juvi thing is mostly just in the air, and even then you just run into bushes like with any other fast running threat

[vernal ermine]

avoid areas with herreras? what areas are you suggesting that pteranodons should reside?

[wooden agate]

im not going to pretend that there arent areas on the map that are 99% devoid of herreras most of the time, sorry

and with pteranodons mobility, you dont exactly need to nest/rest especially close to your goal area

[vernal ermine]

Of course there are, if you're suggesting that pteranodons should lurk in places with no players at all
any hotspot will have herreras

[wooden agate]

and you are incapable of flying a few minutes away from that hotspot to rest?

[vernal ermine]

That argument is not strong at all "Just avoid herra areas", any hotspot is a herra area

[lilac bolt]

im not a fan of either tbh

[wooden agate]

i mean seriously, south plains ALONE has some spots that are incredible for resting as pteranodon

(if youre feeling a bit ballsy you could always cling to under the waterfall as well, thats always fun. and deafening)

[vital laurel]

Sammy you are just being insulting and digging in your heels so deep you’re barely coming to a point where you can compare our opinions

[vernal ermine]

buff ptera flight

[wooden agate]

because im not responding to you anymore, im not comparing anything lol

im responding to barion specifically lol

[lilac bolt]

in what way?

[vernal ermine]

• buff the stam regen
• more flight time
• give it diving capabilities
• better groundwork (already planned)
• better skillbased flight, but not nerfing the flight

[wooden agate]

"you cant avoid herrera in hotspots"

sammy points out you can

"hurrr sammy youre insulting :/"

like come on lol

[vital laurel]

Strawman

[vital laurel]

Flight time is fine though, just add actual flight physics

[lilac bolt]

yeah current flight time with slipstreams and thermals i think will be fine tbh

[wooden agate]

do we still have those videos of ptera flight when it was still being developed

[vernal ermine]

seems like they're going to do that, but i think stam regen should be buffed

[wooden agate]

because it had somewhat interesting flight mechanics before it dropped

idk why they switched gears with it

[vital laurel]

That show nothing of how you go about getting resources and sitting for super long basically unable to play to regen stam?

[vernal ermine]

stam regen should be buffed icl

[wooden agate]

i was asking to show an example of your 'physics flight system' but nvm

literally trying to provide context for your points lol

[vital laurel]

Stam regen needs more work, the regen when latched is better, but still not good for what I would like

[vital laurel]

Okay give me a minute, I’ll pull up the devs video showcasing it

[wooden agate]

no you got it

[vital laurel]

You’re not even reading my msgs, the thing you accused me of doing…

[wooden agate]

im going to assume this is a culture barrier because "you got it" means nvm i give up lol

like sorry no thanks

[vital laurel]

https://youtu.be/h9ktXs0JECA?si=Dc3M75640I0jIWmi

[vernal ermine]

what is it about this that you wanted them to keep, samm

[vital laurel]

I want them to add all of this system?

It is an awesome glide system

[wooden agate]

the animations would have to be refined and stuff but in general yah it'd be better than the current 'swimming in the air' that pteranodon has

infact i genuinely wonder if the game thinks pteranodons are swimming in the air (or did) due to the increased swim speed mutation making them faster while flying

but in a system like this where you can gain altitude via diving and coming back up, i wouldnt touch the stamina regen

[vital laurel]

I would

[wooden agate]

since now you have three options for gaining altitude, 1 of which doesnt cost stam and the other (being the one shown above) should theoretically take less stamina to climb with

[vital laurel]

That is the main gripe of ptera as is, you just get locked out of playing for such a long period

[wooden agate]

a long period of time that is effectively nothing if youre managing your stamina properly

and then with you having the 3 aformentioned ways of gaining altitude, i cant imagine the average stamina spent by a pteranodon player will be the same as it is today (unless theyre actively just staring at the sky and holding W)

[wooden agate]

yeah cimpact!

i always read your name as chipact or chimpact

[modern pollen]

This video is horrible for sizes and also the fact that the model hasn’t been scaled yet so there’s no real use in asking for it to be changed

[wooden agate]

?!??!! elder omni is bugged and cera just got reworked yesterday? 😭 #general-feedback message

[modern pollen]

I get chimpact often or just impact

[wooden agate]

wdym theres no carnos, theres barely anyone on HT to begin with

[wooden agate]

fair enough

[rugged plaza]

Speaking of this, I’ve heard many Dino’s have different platform sizes in the skin creator so it’s a really unreliable source of size

[wooden agate]

yah iirc pteranodon is freakishly large in the skin creator

[modern pollen]

Yea you can watch the allo in the video clearly jump in size lol

[vernal ermine]

elder pteranodon where are you

[wooden agate]

i think we have its model hold on ill grab it for you

idk what theyre gonna do for female but probably just a slightly larger more hump-esque crest

[vernal ermine]

looks so muchprettier

[wooden agate]

@radiant shoal tis a bug, elders arent even meant to be accessible yet and yet somehow the elder omni model (and stats) are taking over HT

theyve broken through RAGGHHHH

[radiant shoal]

@wooden agate oh goody. I hope my raptor isn’t going to look that way in the future! Phew!

[limber hull]

it will (as an elder)

that is the elder model

[wooden agate]

are senior and elders going to have seperate models? i forgor

[limber hull]

idk lol

[limber hull]

i adore how his argument hinges on the fact that elder omni is accidentally in as if for some reason carno needs a buff to its adult because its beaten by an incomplete elder omni

also just... leaving out the carno buffs it already got in HT I guess

[vernal ermine]

you can see difference in appearance according to hunger now?

[modern pollen]

Could for ages now

[vernal ermine]

in HT or evrima?

[modern pollen]

Evrima

[vernal ermine]

anyone got pics? i haven't noticed it

[lilac bolt]

maybe slight visual difference probably not completely different models though

[modern pollen]

You’ll notice it on omni by looking at its hips on full and empty hunger

[wooden agate]

@vivid bloom #general-feedback message thats why your hunger drains in like 5 minutes when you first spawn

you get 30% dots diet to begin with to boost your growth when you first spawn, in turn making you grow slightly faster and by extension making your stomach contents shrink faster

33% of each diet = 100% growth boost, anything more than that is the game just letting you go crazy

so i dont see much issue with people struggling to fill their diets up past that when you dont need to

also gastroliths

[normal shuttle]

Was talking about it earlier too lol

if you pay attention the image as you have, for more than 5 seconds, you can tell how far back the allo is relative to the carno

[limber hull]

thats awesome man but the only cheaters we care about here are the people using speedhacks

[normal shuttle]

in game allo model is so much taller. I think cera actually struggles even getting to allo shoulder height

no one cares

[modern pollen]

2.8t allo and 1.3t cera

[normal shuttle]

it's so funny

dunno if allo will be that heavy but man

it still is clearly larger than every other land carnivore

[limber hull]

genuinely praying for 2.4 ton allo its like perfect imho

[normal shuttle]

agreed

[limber hull]

i PERSONALLY really want 2 ton, but I think 2.4 is the perfect in between of my sick little desires and the average allo fan's wants

[normal shuttle]

at least it's not anax

[limber hull]

i also think 2.8 ton just makes balancing its speed annoying

because you can't have it be too heavy AND too fast

otherwise you've biffed the balance

also i dont think grapplers really NEED to be that heavy lol

[normal shuttle]

yeah

[modern pollen]

Just have ambush speed and we can have the best of both worlds

[normal shuttle]

I think 2 allos grappling a dibble is fair

[limber hull]

i mean, it's gonna happen unless the allo is puny

[normal shuttle]

and I guess 2.4 is more manageable for 2 ton dibbles

[limber hull]

i mean a 2 ton dibble is just getting pinned lol

more than likely

[normal shuttle]

I'm guessing allo aint gonna be omni damage but scaled

but rather it's gonna have crazy bleed

instead of one shotting dibbles with a damage pounce

3k bleed pounce

[modern pollen]

I just hope they don’t give it omni grapple math

[normal shuttle]

why not

[modern pollen]

A full grown allo pinning another fg will just be ridiculous

[normal shuttle]

oh yeah that

[limber hull]

honestly it'd be funny as hell if that happens tho

[normal shuttle]

I mean ofc, but grappling in group is fine

[limber hull]

imagine allo cannibalism just being as braindead as omni cannibalism lmao

[normal shuttle]

rip everyone but rex, trike, deino and stego. Cannot exist near allos because of how skillful pinning is

[modern pollen]

Let us pray that it’s not

[limber hull]

although if allo CAN'T pin another allo, it means they're AWARE of how lame it is on omni and choose to specifically not have it be a thing on allo for some reason

which only adds more questions about why tf can omni still do that

[modern pollen]

Imagine an actual wrestling animation where it’s clear it’s and even fight and both animals have damage done to them equally

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

"first dedecated jungle predator"

brother, herrera has been out for over a year now lol

also wtf is going on with falosuchus. why can it hunt sauropods that are 6.4 tons but not anything else that big? what weight is it?

[compact sequoia]

Herra can't hunt anything more than 1 ton... properly its small

[limber hull]

it's still a jungle predator tho

[compact sequoia]

i think anything more 6.4 ton sauropods could damage fasalosuchus or the bites wont do that much of an issue or bleed...it according to the devs to balance i just want the creatures as playable

[limber hull]

okay but why couldn't a 4.7 ton sauropod also do that?

[gentle rampart]

explain why we need 3 close together and nothing in north east

[compact sequoia]

4.7 ton sauropods could have less health so fasalosuchus bites will put more dmg or bleed.....

balance is a tough job....i think the dev will do the job well...i just want the playables

[compact sequoia]

raptor dibble trike.... raptor has a lot more difficulty with trike similar example

[limber hull]

im just confused on why specifically sauropods

[compact sequoia]

oo fasalosuchus is a large slow sluggish herbi hunter

irl

[gentle rampart]

bros just a troll and ❌ gooner. i just checked all suggestions in the last 7 hours and he only votes no, hasnt voted yes on any if he votes at all. idk what your reccomendation is but fyi to save your breath

[limber hull]

i'm not lol

i dont see why we need to remove a perfectly good sanctuary, especially given the HT's new environment being somewhere juvis would genuinely want to go

sure, there should be a sanc closer to highlands, but why remove a sanc?

[gentle rampart]

save your breath bro, not doing the back and fourth. ill be happy to converse with anyone else tho

[limber hull]

also i dont see why you should remove a dome either

[compact sequoia]

? i vote when i agree or disagree....i haven't voted for anything since i have not read for the last 14 hrs

[gentle rampart]

im talking ab the guy youre having a discussion with

[limber hull]

i mean, i was just trying to understand his PoV lol idk what ur issue is mate

[compact sequoia]

then mention him...it looked like u replied to me so . 🤧

[gentle rampart]

its a reply, mention is when you say their name in the text. i replied to you bc i was talking to you about him lol

[wooden agate]

notice how they dont reply to your actual valid points and instead deflect

[limber hull]

is what it is i guess

[wooden agate]

"why remove the sanc when that area just got redone into an area that'll actually encourage people to go there?"

"HES A TROLL!!!'

best of both worlds, keep dome + sanc and just add a sanc into the forest at west access lol

[limber hull]

feel free to talk with him tho because apparently he'll converse with anyone but me lmao

[wooden agate]

infact the dome being a large sanc actually sounds interesting

a unique sanc biome we dont have anywhere on the map inside dome is intruiging

[limber hull]

idk i feel like mudflat sanc will see a lot more use with the new biome that they've put down there

[wooden agate]

oh yah for sure, but there is a hefty distance between areas like highlands/west access that are just a bit further from sancs than other spawns are

[limber hull]

also i just don't see why we should remove/replace sancs. more spaces for juvis that are actually accessible would be great

[gentle rampart]

i just feel either sp or mf sanc needs removed and one put where there isnt one for hundreds and hundreds of meters

[limber hull]

yea highlands is a pain to spawn in, hence why i agreed with the addition of a new sanc

[wooden agate]

id just add another one either inside the dome as a unique variation of sancs or just add one to west access

[limber hull]

i agree with adding one near the centre of the map. complete deadzone for juvis

i dread spawning highlands, especially as dibble or stego, who struggle to get to ANY sanctuary lmao

[wooden agate]

its especially bad when you consider that like 99% of herbivores (the ones that get the main use out of sancs) spawn in highlands as well 😭

[limber hull]

and also spawn EXCEPTIONALLY slow

[wooden agate]

^

[limber hull]

so you have to literally drag yourself to a sanc

i actually think a NW ridge sanc could be a good idea

helps add more life and activity to NW ridge due to the highland spawns, gives juvis somewhere to go, and opens up new routes for predators to potentially get a juvi snack

NW ridge is one of the least remarkable areas on the map. A sanc could change that

[wooden agate]

id turn dome into unique sanc varient and then turn the area just north of it into a large waterfall similar to how ocean gate was in legacy

crazy that 'oceangate' now has a different meaning than it did back in legacy

now everyone just thinks of billionaires imploding

[limber hull]

hmmm maybe

also, unrelated, but the large dome now has a unique reddish floor colour when you enter it, and seems to have had the trees and water removed

strong possibility this could indicate redwoods will be seen sooner than we anticipated

[wooden agate]

don did say "wouldnt it be crazy if that was next after the south plains rework?"

so i wouldnt be entirely surprised if we get it sometime during the rex test

[limber hull]

this update is so disgustingly big for the game wtf

[wooden agate]

"hey guys we're starting the rex/trike ht"|

casually redesigns 20% of the map

so unfathomably based

and you can tell that the new map additions are made with rex very much in mind, theyre so ambush friendly

[limber hull]

adding apexes, validating the existence of smalls with actual buffs/reworks that make them worth engaging with, upgrading the map, adding more indepth human structures, literally just all-round good balance changes (cera could do with a tiny bit of an improvement but is still in the right direction), etc

[narrow narwhal]

mhh.. toss one north of the highlands or west of that northern dome

[narrow narwhal]

and with signs of more "mechanic frames" being polished and used on others, hypsi getting a climb

[edgy flax]

#general-feedback message i do think a sanctuary could be cool maybe in the dome if theres space but not replace it

[pliant elm]

@nocturne minnow Cerato is the one that currently has the most mechanics, besides being the only one that has never been properly nerfed... Logically the devs love Cerato

[crude girder]

It is the Carnivore with the most well-defined niche and least difficult to implement mechanics

no latency nightmare with pounce, no ai shenanigans with hallucinations, no identity crisis like Carno, etc

[solid dust]

why are people so against a map being added to the game

like i dont get it, why should we have to use a 3rd aprty website to find where tf we are lmao

[limber hull]

i mean... personally i'm against the third party map too but not much anyone can do about that lol

[wooden agate]

i always kinda dislike the "why do we have an internet map but not an ingame one" point because what relevance does that even have

someone completely unrelated to the isle and the dev team took time out of their day to make a map and put it online for us

just like 99% of games

[limber hull]

its weird. blaming the devs for you choosing to use a third party map is literally blaming the devs for something they aren't even a part of

you chose to use the map, and someone unrelated to the devs chose to make it. why is it the devs fault that happened lol

[solid dust]

why have coods you can literally copy and paste then

like what purpose do coords serve, u can argue sure u can try and match them up with a friend to see where they are but like, who tf wants to do that, just add a map, hell, add a general area map for each locations, not an exact pin point location ma

[limber hull]

"u can try and match them up with a friend to see where they are but like, who tf wants to do that"

that's what i do

[solid dust]

yea im sure u do, i used to do that. im just asking, why people like u dont want a map, like whats the reasoning? im not hating or flaming im genuinely curious, would it not make the game feel smoother and less clunky, especially as a new player, ive been playing for a while and i still get lost sometimes lol, like why do you not want a map, even as an option to toggle in settings

as in, what is the downside

cause i really cant see a reason it wouldnt be a great addition to the game, especially in large groups, you can see where ur squads at

[normal shuttle]

Grrrrr

Don’t you know? Us glazers will never see flaws in the isle

[limber hull]

i personally feel that maps take a lot away from the feeling of discovery, and i feel that getting lost or ending up somewhere new should be something you expect, instead they're just ways to get to the hotspot ASAP

also, on the topic of "large groups", i don't think you should consistently know where your squads at. there's already systems in place to immersively do that, such as 1 calling making your nametag appear from further away, and i do think if you split up you should lose each other

[urban flax]

Splitting group ups is a hunting strategy

[solid dust]

thats a valid point, true i didnt think of that, thoughts on something like, just saying what part of the map you are ? as in, south plains, swamps, etc

[urban flax]

A map designed well enough tells you that already
When you're in highlands, there's no mistaking it
Same with swamps

[limber hull]

i mean... you can already kinda tell tho lol

like you ain't mistaking a swamp for anywhere else

[lilac bolt]

what about discoverable maps or do those fall under the same boat to you?

[urban flax]

An overlay that tells you in which part of the map you are would have been useful... on Spiro

[limber hull]

what's exactly the point of that, tbh

like... you find the hotspot. that's all the discoverable map needs to do now, it fulfils the purpose of getting you back to the hotspot

[solid dust]

true, idk i guess i havent played long enough to figure out where i am, cause tbh every jungle and plains area feels the exact time to me

[wooden agate]

thats the exact purpose of them, thats why they were in legacy before we even had a sniff function

i also do agree that unless youre in the middle of a jungle or staring into a mountain, the map generally has a different enough feel in its areas to give you a basic idea of where you are

i can (thankfully) run around for about 30 seconds and tell where i spawned (if its not obvious when i first look around with the camera lol)

memorizing animal spawns will also help you have a basis of where you are, where you likely spawned, etc

for instance if i spawn as herrera in a jungle, and the sanc is far to the south, i know i likely spawned in west access

[normal shuttle]

To be fair I agree with Zenny. Spiro was the best map ever in the isle

[wooden agate]

hey so theres this punishment we give criminals called the death penalty

[normal shuttle]

😔

[wooden agate]

i think that would fit you right now

ngl in all seriousness i am curious to see what a redone spiro would look like with jace at the wheel instead of it being thrown together in a month

[normal shuttle]

It is befitting of everyone who posted the video link that day

Some random kid just joining, posting Zenny’s vid and going “take note from this, and start accepting criticism” 😭 😭

[lilac bolt]

mainly for all the pros that having a discoverable map can do as a whole if done right but yeah things like hotspots end up ruining it unfortunately.

[normal shuttle]

Summ1t would have loved legacy. I was just thinking of which content creatures have left the community, and honestly maybe he would have remained around if he had known about legacy utah

And the PvP clans with their military drills and trainings

[wooden agate]

as much as i agree i dont think we need legacy getting publicity from one of the largest streamers to play the game

[normal shuttle]

True

It was for the better

[wooden agate]

partially because legacy is being deleted, but also because the influx of players that come from it would be expecting legacy content and legacy support

[normal shuttle]

Also I remember when Scan was in the community and he was always on steam forums talking about legacy balancing

So peak

[normal shuttle]

Imagine the feedback though

“DUDE, DO YOU PLAY YOUR OWN GAME? Nerf Utah it can tailride rex effortlessly and also why is austro so weak?????” 💔

[wooden agate]

"idk if you guys know but theres this server called noobz charging 40$ just to be able in nest 4 people a month????"

that would also be a sucky part of legacy getting publicity

[normal shuttle]

“Guys you should make the sandbox dinosaur store a thing in officials it would be pretty cool and unique!”

[wooden agate]

the influx of income for the few legacy servers left which engage in predatory behavior

predatory in like.... the buisness way

[normal shuttle]

True

Old legacy UI though

That should come back

[wooden agate]

remember the death penalty i mentioned

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message how to kill carno in a meta sense 101

[urban flax]

Carno being straight-up unable to turn while charging would be peak comedy

Cartoon levels of incompetence

[normal shuttle]

Getting dodged by a juvenile dibble

So well balanced

And further encouraging tap charges too from point blank

#general-feedback message also can’t tell whether this was bait

[wispy abyss]

Could somebody tell me if the grass disappearing as soon as you step on it as in the new horedetest - does that grass disappear forever until server restart? If so, i am very concerned about it being a good idea.

[civic peak]

It is something they added to the hoardtest. Not sure about the grass disappearing forever though.

[wispy abyss]

yes, i saw that in videos of the hordetest. No one mentioned for how long that gras remains trampled though.

[limber hull]

the system is still very clearly WIP so I don't think it's worth worrying about atm

[junior nymph]

facts

[limber hull]

like seriously tho the system is so jank and clearly just a proof of concept slapped into the HT so they can weed out any performance issues and jank by having a ton of players interact with it at once

[wispy abyss]

👍

If the intention is to make the grass look tampered, it should not be on the same level as the surface under it, like it is atm, that looks weird. At least when it comes to that high grass.

[wooden agate]

yah i agree it looks pretty rough right now

but im sure it'll get better if there's one thing you can always count on in the isle, it's a decent looking enviorment

unless you're in update 5 on spiro. then you get the ugliest one imaginable

[tardy ivy]

Is this where I would post any kind of Horde Testing bug issues?

[normal shuttle]

I did it

11 ton para 🙏

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

i'm not reading this entirely because i dont REALLY care either way but i do think it's funny and would be kind of cool to showcase para size variety via its elder

[wispy abyss]

https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/783214088456896513

[wooden agate]

you get my hesitant upvote,,.,..... don't make me TAKE IT BACK valiant

[normal shuttle]

damn

sure, I'm happy with that

basically it's just me saying that elders could be unique as well

and have meaningful changes in their gameplay, rather than urrr urrr now I'm bigger and stronger

so para for instance becomes gigantic and leans a little more into being a brawler while becoming a giant lawnmower very few people want to keep around

[wooden agate]

(when i said i dont care, i mainly mean i dont care about elder para's size specifically. i think a number of sizes could work well for em, just depends on his kit/base stats imo)

[normal shuttle]

agreed

[wooden agate]

it could be 9 tons, it could be 11 tons

as long as it is para, i will love him

[normal shuttle]

and honestly if shant can exist, I think a giant para can be balanced

Seeing an elder para pummeling an acro would be so funny tho

[wooden agate]

oughh imagine seeing a mixherd of a few elder paras with a few shants

[normal shuttle]

imposters

[wooden agate]

i NEED to see it drink from a river and stomp the skull of la deinosuchus into the ground

[normal shuttle]

deino trying to lunge at something twice the size and volume of a stego 💀

tbh I can see it happening

deino players are special

[normal shuttle]

killing an omni with just sound

that would be so awesome to see but alas

eat grass and die

[wooden agate]

its like how pelicans try to eat 5 year olds

sometimes you just gotta see if it would work

[normal shuttle]

real

[wooden agate]

(obviously it won't, and we with our human brains should try to understand this. we fail however)

surely the 10th time jumping the stego on land will go well... surely

[normal shuttle]

come on

don't be harsh with them

deino mains got their brain fried by their favorite terrible alligatorid

[woeful latch]

big para gang

[normal shuttle]

big para my beloved

[proper bluff]

its not but that thing is not a needed thing

[normal shuttle]

And I was just throwing an example I really like

[proper bluff]

like noone asked or wanted this literally

[normal shuttle]

It would be AWESOME to have different gimmicks and slight gameplay changes

to all elders

[normal shuttle]

it is good for tracking tho

[proper bluff]

true but like this and the new grass lower the fps so much

like on the main branch i have over 120

on ht max i had like 70

and sometimes even 40

like i said on the feedback they def should do something about this bc like the game is unplayable for lower spec ppl

[limber hull]

"no one asked for this" is a terrible reason as to why it shouldn't be added

[lilac bolt]

why does it matter in the slightest on whether or not people have asked it to be added?

[proper bluff]

its a game so things should be somewhat enjoyable

and low fps are not

[limber hull]

yea, and i think the new grass is an enjoyable concept

[proper bluff]

yes, but the fps drop is not

[limber hull]

it's a HT. the feature is very evidently WIP, and needed to be tested in a more open environment

they ain't gonna make it better if they don't know how

i think it has huge potential for allowing tracking of some huge animals like apexes

follow the trampled grass

[lilac bolt]

yeah for sure

[proper bluff]

ye true

[wooden agate]

HT also always has worse FPS/ping than evrima due to the server monitoring stuff they use

[civic peak]

Personally I love the idea of grass being trampled underfoot. It's not something I asked for, but I am pleasantly surprised by it.

And like Mr. Grass said, gives a unique visual for other players. See lots of trampled grass? means there were lots of players nearby.

Imagine being in a raptor pack and following this big game trail.

[limber hull]

could ALSO potentially stop people from overrelying on plains because hey look you're EXCEPTIONALLY easy to track out there

[proper bluff]

other day i was alone on eu 3 and my ping was spiking up to 500, and i live in europe

[proper bluff]

they could've just done this to the current grass

and make the current grass a different color

and we'd have a simmilar effect that doesnt lower fps that much

but yea the concept of this is a good one

[limber hull]

yea but that wouldn't be remotely what they're going for

also, there's absolutely no evidence that the FPS is caused by the grass thing, ironically

it could literally be something entirely seperate

[proper bluff]

so what else could it be if not bad rendering

bc when i look up in the game fps are very high but when i look around it falls badly

[civic peak]

I mean, they could have just made it change color...but they didn't and when thinking of the two ideas I prefer the visuals of trampling rather than just...a different shade of green or something

[proper bluff]

i agree but think about ppl with bad pc specs

when they have max 30 fps on the main branch

and they wanna play on the hordetest

and they barely get above 15

(for clearance i have a rtx 4050 im not talking about myself)

[urban flax]

Current gateway (non-HT) looks way too ugly to keep, no matter the reason

[civic peak]

Well, as someone who goes onto HT, I don't mind if there is issues with FPS, because it's hoardtest and it's better for the devs to fix that in a separate series of servers then the main ones.

I go into HT to help test things out, but that's my mindset, you know? I'm expecting bugs, framerate issues, things that are incomplete.

[barren crater]

@pliant elm Genuinely what would a 1.15x stability modifier even offer

[woeful latch]

nothing tbh

stability modifier was made specifically to make fighting tenos easier, that’s funny lol.

because anything else doesn’t really care about the modifier

i’d say remove the stability modifier, make cera lose more stam for using charge bite, but only when it’s running and make it slow down instantly

[barren crater]

I think it's fine if it can avoid being knocked by teno if the speed drop is instant and it takes stam

[limber hull]

i like the stability modifier

[barren crater]

But yeah stability modifier is only useful vs teno and maia

[limber hull]

i just think the speed nerf needs to kick in

[barren crater]

Carno straight up doesn't care about it

which is probably the funniest part about this

[woeful latch]

ehh idk i was thinking about it and maia won’t be able to stun it anymore.. the only weapon juvie-sub dibble had against ceras was cc and now it’s gone too and makes it even easier fight for ceras

[normal shuttle]

speed nerf should be instant as soon as you press rmb, just like the stability

[barren crater]

Maia can stun diablo with its shove

[woeful latch]

i mean with the kick

[normal shuttle]

and then the stamina drain should appear and be increased if you run

[barren crater]

True but like you don't need to take that matchup at all. I see no issue with it lol

[woeful latch]

not to mention cera got massive advantage in vs teno fight without any real nerfs

if speed nerf was instant then yeah, that would be acceptable

[junior nymph]

the ceratosaurus is a brawler trust me guys

[woeful latch]

i agree, but imo it’s always better and more fun to be able to fight and have a cool matchup instead of game just telling you… no

[junior nymph]

not a scavenger

[barren crater]

Imo staggers & knockdowns should be longer anyways with decent cooldowns

[woeful latch]

and game is also really inconsistent with the changes, somehow teno knocking down ceras is a crime, but cera punching up like crazy is good

[woeful latch]

yeah i agree

[barren crater]

Shove > stagger cerato > guaranteed stomp.

[narrow nova]

Skill less teno really hate cerato.

[woeful latch]

so i’d say they should chill with all those changes with “this animal should not fight this animal”

[narrow nova]

I mean I'm skill less teno

But I can run away from cerato.

[woeful latch]

i know maia can run away from cera, but where’s fun in that.. removing ability to stun with kicks is lame

i just don’t like that change at all

[barren crater]

Skill and cerato shouldn't even be in the same sentence lol

[narrow nova]

Why is that？

[woeful latch]

it’s not like cera was suffering before in vs maia fight, it didn’t need more buffs

[barren crater]

If it's running slower with charge bite, it's easier to hit

So while the kick might not stagger it, Cerato isn't that tanky.

[woeful latch]

yeah but it’s not instant

and you don’t have to charge for long

[barren crater]

I know. I think it should run slower immediately

[woeful latch]

you just hold it for 2 seconds and bite

[woeful latch]

yeah, that would be amazing

[narrow nova]

So when cerato full charge you should avoid it.

[barren crater]

Cerato got a straight buff this patch

An easy to play, 2 hour grow dino got even easier

[woeful latch]

i like how they made it look like it’s a nerf

[narrow nova]

If you want kill cerato,yes.

[barren crater]

The playable pretty much plays for u

[barren crater]

No? It straight up is a better hunter than before

😭

[narrow nova]

Why is that？ it's slower.

[limber hull]

not really, no

it's slower in a very specific and avoidable circumstance

[barren crater]

Why even state something if you haven't played the creature 😭

[limber hull]

you're basically never slower unless you want to be

[woeful latch]

the only real nerf is stamina cost which is miserable

[barren crater]

What do you mean?

[woeful latch]

it’s like 0.05 stam per second for charge

[limber hull]

the stamina cost also isn't really a nerf lol

the only nerf imho is the rotten meat thing

[barren crater]

Oh yeah that

[woeful latch]

yeah but you can just puke on body and get that bacteria pretty fast

you won’t get it from ai anymore tho, which is good

[barren crater]

Why waste food and water when you can just rot meat chunks

[narrow nova]

Cerato has become a better defender and has reduced its pursuit ability. Isn't this exactly where it should be?

[woeful latch]

but bacteria staying on target for an hour is wild

[barren crater]

This isn't true at all

[limber hull]

thing is, it doesn't have reduced pursuit

at all

[narrow nova]

Scavengers

[limber hull]

it can pursue EXACTLY as well if not better

[pliant elm]

Cerato doesn't need a stability bonus, but I don't think the devs will remove it, so I suggested decreasing it so it doesn't affect Carnos fights as much, more like a tool that helps the juvs and subs, but not the adults

[limber hull]

since it can now tank things that would otherwise knock it down and keep on pursuing

[barren crater]

Carno can still stagger it

[narrow nova]

It can't charge and chase.

[limber hull]

stability bonus is fine imho

[limber hull]

it absolutely can

[narrow nova]

How

[limber hull]

again, like bird said, play the creature before you make comments like this

[barren crater]

Also this should be happening when the slow down kicks in

[narrow nova]

I played cerato.I'm a carnivore main.

[limber hull]

the speed nerf ONLY kicks in 4 whole seconds into the charge

so you have 4 seconds of complete movespeed, stamina and stagger resist

and then once that time is up, you can just charge the bite again

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-james-the-cat-gif-17061332530661205416

[pliant elm]

Yes, according to my calculations, Carno will still be able to hit the charge. But even so, 1.25x constant stability is an exaggeration, especially since the speed is not constantly reduced

[limber hull]

there's nothing stopping you from doing stuff like that

[woeful latch]

do you know how fast charge charges?

for max damage

[limber hull]

literally just make the stam and speed cost instantaneous rather than relying on charge and the entire balance change is fine

[narrow nova]

So it can no longer maintain high damage output and pursue enemies. While it's pursuing, its damage output is even lower than before. Isn't this a nerf?

[pliant elm]

Yes, that's good

[limber hull]

it can easily maintain high damage, that's not an issue at all

[barren crater]

I don't see it as an issue

[pliant elm]

Cerato didn't receive any nerfs in the hordtest, it was just 3 buffs and 2 scratches that didn't affect anything...

[narrow nova]

It can,when not full speed running.

[limber hull]

yea imma be real the stability is fine i dont want it to be reduced

[barren crater]

Source

[limber hull]

brother

play the HT cerato ffs

i've tried the thing out. it doesn't work like that

[narrow nova]

When you full charge you can see your speed down.

[barren crater]

I was actively chasing tenos, carnos and fighting diablos. If there was a nerf, I didn't notice it 😭

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/reverse-cat-run-gif-27270492

[limber hull]

yes, and that doesn't really matter

because you can easily work around that

[pliant elm]

The stam cost is around 0.50 and it takes about 5s to do, same with the speed reduction. So this just made it even worse, not more balanced. I love these devs

[barren crater]

So pretty much let go when it hits full charge. Something that everyone will find out when it goes to livebuild lol

[narrow nova]

Why？which mean when cerato full charge it can't catch you.

[limber hull]

so just don't let that happen???

like you have complete agency to prevent that outcome

that relies on active ignorance to be a nerf

[barren crater]

^ People will find out the perfect time to let go.

[latent olive]

bird..............confirmed............rank 1 ceratosaurus pvp player.............OCE...............

[woeful latch]

SHOCKING

[limber hull]

people have already metagamed so many other mechanics like that

[barren crater]

😭 stop please

[limber hull]

and cerato has distinct roars that easily indicate at what point of charge you are at

[barren crater]

Yeah. Pretty much the only people who will make that mistake are new players

For everyone else it was a buff to cerato

[narrow nova]

In fact, many people prefer to call it "nerf", and I think this is a kind of adjustment.
Devs have never promised to nerf cerato.
I don't know why many people subjectively think that the devs have taken their complaints into account and weakened the cerato.

[limber hull]

the issue is that it's a buff

to the playstyle that was already a colossal problem

the "me hunt chase kill you" playstyle

[barren crater]

It was really good at hunting. Now its been made better. Its an issue lol

[limber hull]

literally, if the speed and stam nerf were instant, it'd fix ALL of this

cera can still pursue, but it has to use its actual LMB rather than relying on RMB spam

RMB spam is still 100% viable with these changes

[pliant elm]

Do you really think the devs will do this to they favorite dino?

[narrow nova]

How it hunt ability become better

[limber hull]

stagger resist, bacteria buffs are the main two

bacteria is near impossible to remove without salt, and stagger resist allows you to take on enemies much easier

[barren crater]

Instant 1.25x stability modifier which allows it avoid being knocked/ stagger by teno and maia
Bacteria that stays in a creature for an insanely long time