general-feedback-discussion

[normal shuttle]

Also cera frontally

[gilded drift]

this is not just about angles lol, rex just looks goofy without lips

that's why most of the community brings it up

[urban flax]

It's mostly because of the islecord hivemind

[modest dock]

Deino is mostly troll tbf, crocodilians doesn't have lips and we can prove it by simply watch some living species.

[junior nymph]

yeah

[lusty agate]

Imo Rex would be more imposing with lips, but I do understand the stylization choice The Isle has taken with their Rex.

[modest dock]

But yeah to me none of the others species currently in game really need lips, its just rex that would be interesting with it it tells a bit more about the dino as a character. Makes it look chunkier while not being really bigger in weight but it optimizes the impression of it when you see it.

[modest dock]

Honestly its not that bad without lips but i wouldn't be against a small reduction of the underbite

[fast terrace]

nothing about the isle is realistic idk why people bring that up

[lusty agate]

I think making Rex half-lipped would be a good in between. It adds bulk to the jaws while still keeping the exposed teeth.

In all honesty I have my biases and preferences when it come to dinosaurs as most do. I think the biggest issue I have is how thin the lower jaw is compared to the upper jaw. It gives it that "derpy" look

[gilded drift]

realism is a necessary factor to a certain degree

[fast terrace]

the isle is immersive not realistic

[gilded drift]

realistic to a certain degree it is

[stable crow]

Big agree, lower jaw is my main issue too :c

[gilded drift]

if it had 0 realism, no one would play it. do you want to see 0 gravity and dinos with jetpacks?

[fast terrace]

thats not the point
your taking it ENTIRELY out of context there

[gilded drift]

nope not at all. I'm proving that realism is an important factor to a certain degree

[lusty agate]

It doesn't need to be realistic, but it should stem from realism. That's how stylization works, this goes for all forms of media.

[gilded drift]

and therefore should be considered. which it is, by the devs, all the time

[lusty agate]

I mean there is a reason that Omniraptor became Omniraptor

[gilded drift]

Why is the grass not purple? Why are the clouds not all shaped like dinosaurs?

because the isle uses realism to a certain degree, like most games

call of duty isn't REALISTIC but it's realistic enough for you not to turn into a bird from time to time

[stable crow]

I think he means realism with the dinosaurs not... the grass

[fast terrace]

^^
thats a matter of customisation not realism

[mellow maple]

Hi fellas what's new this time

[stable crow]

Lips :(

[fast terrace]

the isle is designed to make you feel like your int he enviroment which it mostly does

[gilded drift]

Why does rex not have spino's arms? Because in real life, IT DOESN'T

[fast terrace]

dawg

😭

[mellow maple]

See but t-rex arms are lame

[gilded drift]

Simple as that, realism matters sometimes

[mellow maple]

We should give it longer arms so it's cooler 😎

[stable crow]

Wait you're so right

[gilded drift]

yea and give it doctor strange's infinity stone too while you're at it

the devs will have to give rex lips whether they like it or not, because they know the community won't like it if they don't

[stable crow]

Hasn't a dev stated already that they are not adding lips

[lusty agate]

It is designed for immersion, and it does a fairly good job at that. But that doesn't mean that the dinosaurs were created with 0 realism in mind. I think such stylization is important, but all comes from a place of realism.

[fast terrace]

i didnt say the isle had no realism but that it isnt realistic

of course everything has a core to it, its the foundation of how life works as a whole

[lusty agate]

Absolutely

[fast terrace]

but when people bring in the lips debate and say that it 'isnt realistic' when the creature in question isnt even a proper tyrannosaurus but rather a creature genetically created

[lusty agate]

I mean, Isle Rex is pretty close proportionally to actual rex. Though I would agrue for it to be half-lipped, which would add a bit of bulk to the face and jaws while still having partially exposed teeth.

Well I say "actual" Rex when there are multiple different body proportions like gracile and robust

[gilded drift]

the trex is scientifically accurate to a certain degree, which is why it doesn't have wings.

it's not up to date with the newest research, but it is realistic to a certain degree

because the devs are forced by the reality of the matter: realism is necessary often

[fast terrace]

its not even tyrannosaurus
its an entirely new creature created by AE

[gilded drift]

the boar isn't even a boar, it's just a creature made by ae

[fast terrace]

it might have tyrannosaurus DNA but that doesnt make it 100% tyrannosaurus

and besides, its had the same great design since 2016 theres no reason to change it

and its only on the hordetesting, its not even final yet

[gilded drift]

the most frequent argument for the lips isn't realism, it's the fact that rex just looks goofy without them

[fast terrace]

then why did you mention realism in your post???

everyone has different opinions, whether it looks goofy or scary is an entirely different useless thing to be discussed because it wont be changed

[normal shuttle]

Peak

[gilded drift]

it's worth mentioning

[fast terrace]

theres alot of us who just like screwing around as a giant 8 tonne carnivore, yellow or not

[stable crow]

Rex doesn't look goofy because it doesn't have lips, he just has an overbite rn

[gilded drift]

majority agrees that rex should have lips

[gilded drift]

yeah due to the weird overbite design choice

[normal shuttle]

You see

Game devs don’t care about realism

Realism is worthless as an argument, as harsh as it may sound

[gilded drift]

lol what?

[normal shuttle]

Whether it is for balancing or just a model

[normal shuttle]

Game devs don’t care about realism

[fast terrace]

they will customise everything to their liking because its their game

simply

[compact sequoia]

devs actually care and at the same time don't care about realism at the same time.... that's why the game is good

[acoustic pebble]

i mean the devs nb

[compact sequoia]

balence vs realism vs bioengineering is difficult

[gilded drift]

They do but ok

[stable crow]

Man i feel like, playing as/ seeing the rex in game will 'look' much better than what we can see in the skin customizer rn

[gilded drift]

It will, but not if you focus on its mouth

[compact sequoia]

The baby rex is very low poly....

[stable crow]

Yea but are you gonna focus on the mouth or are you gonna be like "omg a Rex"

[stable crow]

Well thats a whole nother thing then i thought we were talking about the lips

[compact sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/chika-markiplier-say-woof-again-gif-24228552

@normal shuttle is going on typing

[normal shuttle]

Didn’t know Beipiaosaurus, Herrerasaurus, Gallimimus, Tenontosaurus, Omniraptor, Carnotaurus, Pteranodon, Dilophosaurus, Troodon, Hypsilophodon, Spinosaurus, Giganotosaurus, Monolophosaurus, Quetzalcoatlus, Albertosaurus, Acrocanthosaurus, Camarasaurus, Magyarosaurus, Protoceratops, Homalocephale, Compsognathus, Pterodactylus, Therizinosaurus and Deinocheirus look and/or behave realistically

[stable crow]

O goodness

[normal shuttle]

So erm

That is laughably wrong

[dire bear]

So the devs gonna keep the goofy rex model?

[normal shuttle]

Yes

[dire bear]

Mk

[normal shuttle]

Feel free to call it as you like

[dire bear]

I just did

[compact sequoia]

may be update the poly or make it a bit thick....but no 👄

[normal shuttle]

Yup

[normal shuttle]

Rex looks fine brug

[dire bear]

Well atleast that cuz current rex looks like ps2

[normal shuttle]

What do you mean low poly

[dire bear]

Very low quality model

[compact sequoia]

check rex baby

[normal shuttle]

Model looks just fine in terms of resolution moving around

[dire bear]

Nah it looks really bad

[normal shuttle]

There is no way that a juvenile model has much less polygons than the adult version

[gilded drift]

As I said, "realistic to a certain degree"

You clearly don't know what "to a certain degree" means ahaha

[stable crow]

Can you send an example of the low poly rex i can't find the model pics

[dire bear]

Just go on general feedback you will find alot

[stable crow]

I see a lot of adult rexs but no juvis

[compact sequoia]

search youtube for rex skin isle

[dire bear]

Since they are keeping goofy rex maybe they should put it in announcements so that people stop asking for lips

[stable crow]

Maybe i dont care that much actually thank u though

[dire bear]

Really like path of titans rex model so maybe us rex lip people will play that lol

[normal shuttle]

This is where I decided to step in, and to a degree wasn’t mentioned from that point until now, and not in the post either

I am immune to gaslighting

[gilded drift]

you looooove misquoting don't you

[gilded drift]

this is you making an argument based off of 100% realism, while all i argued for was "realism to a certain degree"

good on you for typing a whole heartfelt bible out and ending up just misquoting 😆

[normal shuttle]

It has never been a basis for anything other than making the animals at least identifiable for what they are

If they’re similar that’s good, but if they’re drastically different they can still be good to the game

[dire bear]

Well you should know that many isle players enjoy realism

Isle does market itself as a realistic gritty survival game

If the devs want to change the course, then they can

But they could lose players in the process

[normal shuttle]

Not really taking place when I was talking and I wrongly assumed that it was an attempt to move the goalpost since it wasn’t being mentioned at all from the moment I replied until now

[normal shuttle]

And the isle is the polar opposite of realism EVEN with behaviors because we don’t have animals, nor monsters as the dinosaurs that live in the environment

[normal shuttle]

Because there can still be realism or immersion in a survival game without having realistic and up to date playable creatures

[dire bear]

Nah its actually a pretty realistic game

[normal shuttle]

Being encouraged to have a varied diet is indeed realistic

[dire bear]

My point is isle players play the isle for realism, not for the rivetting gameplay mechanics of sitting in a bush for hours

They want to be immersed and feel like they are playing a real dinosaur

If they wanted a "gamey game" they can play path of titans

Or one of the isle clones

[gilded drift]

the devs will always use realism as a factor to a certain degree and there's nothing you can do to debunk that, as the game is a hard evidence for it 🤷

[normal shuttle]

For that last line, they are playing the wrong game then

[dire bear]

Well 90% then are playing the wrong game

[normal shuttle]

Because it’s not the aim at all, and canonically we have reasons to believe that they’re not even animals but they actually have human intelligence

[normal shuttle]

Yup, absolutely

[gilded drift]

apparently according to this dude's logic 😆

[normal shuttle]

Them being majority doesn’t make something right

[dire bear]

So if isle devs continue to go further down the stylized or gamey design then they are gonna lose alot of players

[normal shuttle]

Appeal to popularity is a logical fallacy

[dire bear]

No its not

[gilded drift]

do you think the isle is currently going down a gamey design?

[normal shuttle]

They kept going that route and only got more players

[dire bear]

With gameplay? No but with creature design yes absolutely

[gilded drift]

appealing to popularity can be used as a variable

[gilded drift]

which creature designs are you referring to

[dire bear]

Well u can start with the 2 most recent ones

[gilded drift]

trike and rex?

[normal shuttle]

Game only got better and increased in popularity with new additions and many aren’t realistic at all

[dire bear]

Id also say dilo fits

[normal shuttle]

Like look at herra. Great addition to the game despite being so laughably fictional

[dire bear]

And its also going to become more popular when rex comes obviously but my point is that is they continue the road they started then they are gonna lose

[normal shuttle]

Broski

They continued that road, and just got more players and even broke their record of players at a given time

[dire bear]

Thats not what I meant

[normal shuttle]

Game is thriving with their current design philosophy

[dire bear]

Game is more popular because more dinos

Thats what we always wanted

[normal shuttle]

And those dinos have gameplay value despite being unrealistic often. It doesn’t undermine the experience of players

What you are saying isn’t making much sense. If they continue that road and add more dinos, they will get more popular but also end up losing?

[dire bear]

Lol no u didnt understand

[normal shuttle]

Okay then, enlighten me

Because I am getting contradicting information here

[austere widget]

#general-feedback message
@copper fjord
This one was actually just a joke. He did it for fun. I don't think anyone really agrees on that. If you watched the video you'd understand his sarcastic tone XD

[dire bear]

Game will get more popular because more dinos, obviously, but it could be more popular than even that if they stayed with more "realistic" designs. No matter what the game is going to grow, but im saying its limiting its growth by making weird choices

Like yea the game is popular, but it has the potential to be way more popular

[urban flax]

That's assuming the "masses" know what a realistic dino looks like

[stable crow]

^ yea

[normal shuttle]

So being somewhat less popular while still successful could be considered a loss?

Also, this was mentioned a while ago, but I wonder where you got the source that MOST (let alone that whopping 90% you said) want realism in the game and also how is that a priority to them over gameplay

[dire bear]

I will also add that the vast majority of players arent pixel peeping into dino designs, and so its not gonna matter to most people, but to the people that it does (like me) we might find a different game

[normal shuttle]

Also this lmao

Also, isn’t that also kind of clashing with the idea of artistic expression and also providing different roles to all creatures?

If we wanted to prioritize details and realistic designs over gameplay or simply leaving minor features be

[dire bear]

I mean I dont know anyone who thinks current rex is artistic or something

[normal shuttle]

Brother

Video games are inherently artistic work

Especially visual aspects including designs and models

[stable crow]

yeaahh!!!

[dire bear]

In most cases yeah but not with this rex bro

It looks goofy

[normal shuttle]

It is all art

Whether it looks good or bad is irrelevant

[dire bear]

Nah bad art isnt art

[stable crow]

Holy bad take

[normal shuttle]

Bad art absolutely is art

It cannot get roasted out of its nature

A bad burger is still a burger

[dire bear]

Lol u probably one of the people who see a splashed painting and think its art

[normal shuttle]

Yeah, doesn’t make it any less bad but it still is

[dire bear]

Nah bro its just a goofy painting

[stable crow]

And its art, i might not like it or whatever, but that doesn't mean its not art

[dire bear]

So art is just anything?

If art is anything than art is nothing

[normal shuttle]

So it’s a painting and therefore art

[normal shuttle]

Art is allowed to be good or bad bruh

Art is art. Whether it is good or bad

RE movies are still that, movies. Even if they fail at so many aspects of what could make a movie good

[dire bear]

Sure but I wouldnt call those movies art

[stable crow]

Omg great example lol

They are art whether you like em or not man

[normal shuttle]

Movies are art inherently

Doesn’t mean that I like it in the slightest

[compact sequoia]

deino with lips still more haunting than the nun

[normal shuttle]

So rex even with its overbite and no lips is still art

[dire bear]

Whatever you say broski

[normal shuttle]

It’s so simple

You think Tapwing’s concepts for creature designs are art?

They have to be, right?

So why wouldn’t the sculpt of that drawing be art as well?

[dire bear]

The drawing is obviously art cuz it looks good as a drawing

But as a design choice in game its not

[stable crow]

Brother

[dire bear]

Brother

[normal shuttle]

😭 I guess that an artist who makes a bad drawing with the exact same procedure and philosophy as the other good drawings has produced something that isn’t art

[dire bear]

I just said the drawing is art what are u disagreeing with here

[normal shuttle]

It absolutely is

But like

[dire bear]

Ok then

[normal shuttle]

What if a drawing looks bad, really bad?

Is it art regardless?

[dire bear]

Then its not art

[stable crow]

[normal shuttle]

So if you made drawing A and drawing B with the exact same pencil, exact same time, exact same paper, exact same mindset, exact same artist…And drawing A was great whereas drawing B stinks, then drawing B wouldn’t be art like A?

[dire bear]

Precisely

[normal shuttle]

and we haven’t even talked about the gameplay purpose of having some unrealistic dinosaurs or features

[urban flax]

Why is this a discussion over the nature of art

[normal shuttle]

If we made beipi realistic then what would it be? Or Herrera

[dire bear]

Lol

[normal shuttle]

Because devs are allowed to do whatever they want with their artistic expressions

[dire bear]

Well i think beipi looks good so

[normal shuttle]

Oh so if it looks good to you it gets the free pass to be laughably unrealistic

But we established earlier that realism is good and the more we have, the better because that’s what people allegedly want

So beipi is not as good as it could be according to your logic as well

[dire bear]

I didnt say i wouldnt prefer a realistic beepy i just said the one we have is pretty good

[normal shuttle]

90% of the players wouldn’t like beipi and would think it’s better as a realistic looking creature

[urban flax]

I didn't read the beginning of the conversation, but I assume it's about rex lips ?

[normal shuttle]

So it would be an unnecessary evil to have it in the long run

[dire bear]

U can have good unrealistic and bad unrealistic. In almost all cases realistic is better than both

[normal shuttle]

Yeah

[urban flax]

bruh

[normal shuttle]

And how allegedly most players want realism

[stable crow]

Lipposting yet again

[normal shuttle]

And I think that’s laughable

[dire bear]

I love how lipposting is a term

[urban flax]

Just admit it's a matter of personal preference and get over with it

[dire bear]

#giverexlips

[stable crow]

They're not gonna give rex lips

[dire bear]

I know

[normal shuttle]

Magy should have its lips removed

And get an overbite

[stable crow]

great idea

[dire bear]

Magy is irrelevant anyways so idc

[normal shuttle]

Magy is omnipotent

The replicator’s favorite child

[dire bear]

Actually

They should give ptera an overbite

That would be so funny

[mellow maple]

It already has one

[rugged plaza]

In real life too

[normal shuttle]

This was so funny

[hidden pilot]

💀

[indigo gulch]

or that suggestion to make priority queue for people who would pay extra

[normal shuttle]

Ah yes that one LMAOOOO

Actually hilarious

[woeful latch]

that one was funny

[indigo gulch]

only SLIGHTLY desperate x)

[bronze niche]

@cinder haven actually the most convincing 1800 kgs carno post ive seen despite the fact it was a 50 50 controversial suggestion

something needs to keep tenos in check again, cera doesnt seem reasonable and cera wasnt even the devs intentions when it came to hunting tenos but its perfectly built to do so

[woeful latch]

i agree, that’s why we need bary and allo asap, i want teno to fear

carno is not “him”!

#general-feedback message i think most people just didn’t read the feedback at all. carno killing 90% allos in 1v1? carno being able to insta stun with the charge? no.

carno is perfect on HT, it doesn’t need ANY changes.

some people are way too addicted to 1.8t carno, let go already, current HT carno is best one we ever had

[bronze niche]

not really hes probably gonna get dogged on by a 1301 kg sub rex which will probably be like 23%

[woeful latch]

yeah and it will get easily pinned by 3 omnis or killed by other rexes

not to mention carno can be in packs and that 1.3 rex is not running away from those

and you can still stun things heavier than you, you just need to charge for longer

[bronze niche]

barys gonna get its ass handed to it by a teno

its nowhere near being the size speed or strength to hunt down a teno unless its swimming

[woeful latch]

all those “buff carno” feedbacks are just guys blaming a playable and ignoring their own skill issue, get better, all carno needed is qol, it got qol and now it’s perfect

[woeful latch]

how do you even know bary size or speed lol?

bary might be perfect for hunting tenos. same as sub rex hunting tenos, or allo

[bronze niche]

its probably gonna be like 1600-1700 kgs, and even then before 1800 kgs carno was getting its ass handed to it by a teno if you didnt approach the situation carefully

[woeful latch]

literally anything else lol, carno should stay what it is right now

not to mention that in fact carno packs can hunt tenos, its more than possible, i did that

[bronze niche]

its not built to do so, and not if you wanna be near death afterwards unless the teno sucks

[woeful latch]

because they had to give carno a lot of debuffs to keep in in check, because 1.8t beast while also being the fastest dino in the game is kinda hard to balance

[woeful latch]

2 carnos in open vs teno is more than fair, you don’t have to charge its butt, you can bite too

teno has a lot of ways to escape, for example running into the forest

but we’re getting allo, we’re getting rex, also bary

there will be carnivores to hunt teno

carno as the fastest dino that can choose its fights should not be able to 1v1 teno in a fair fight

same as it should struggle against allo, rex, cera and anything that can’t run away or hide from it

[cinder haven]

There are many ideas for a carno to be 1,800 KG. I am usually the one in the lead (But the producers insistently refuse XD). Also, once I suggested a common road to be 1,500 KG. My horse was very reluctant.

humans can kill weird juvi and sub trex our best option is old carno can keep up with their speed and we can kill them 1v1 thus we can gain population control (and also kill sub allo) (This will definitely be a lot of fun)

[lusty seal]

@dense tendon random extra mutations you could only get and pass on through nesting would be neat.

[dense tendon]

The idea is to integrate the nest system definitively and allow people to have what they want.

[woeful latch]

no, it won’t be, carno should die just from looking at the sub rex or allo

[dense tendon]

To have something you have to buy it, the analogy is simple XD

[limber hull]

how is it convincing? it just would make carno the most disgustingly overpowered animal in the entire game bar none. Cera be damned

If HT changes stay, alongside those changes, that carno would be infinitely worse than cera could ever hope to be

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message

[latent olive]

"Non-lip thought: I know this is a herbivore game, but if there is any desire for realism, make bite force damage SOMEWHAT congruent with scientifically-agreed-upon theory. I had Chat GPT"

i immediately stopped reading at this part

[woeful latch]

i didn’t, but i regret that i did

[limber hull]

"I know this is a herbivore game"
"Any desire for realism"
"I had Chat GPT"

Three in a row god damn

[maiden trellis]

it's all true.

[latent olive]

sure it is, mate

[maiden trellis]

It is an herbivore game. It's clearly designed to have herbivores wreck everything else, when the numbers are just not there. I've read that the devs are aiming at realism, but the damage output and weights are grossly skewed for herbs.

a single stego can stand alone and kill 3 deinos.

how does that compute?

[latent olive]

"ive read that the devs are aiming at realism"

they arent

[pliant elm]

@maiden trellis This is a game above all, putting these creatures as they were in real life makes no sense

[latent olive]

schnozz brothers

[maiden trellis]

there COULD be balance at least?

[latent olive]

there is

walk away

[pliant elm]

Balance should be the priority, not realism

[latent olive]

if its stronger than you = its slower than you

[maiden trellis]

the herb herd has spoken.

[latent olive]

so true so true

[maiden trellis]

I can't walk away. I have to eat or i die.

[latent olive]

youre going to throw your 80% omniraptor at a full grown stegosaurus and expect to eat it

[maiden trellis]

AND since everything i have to eat is guarded by a mix-packing stego that will 2 shot me. I just have to starve.

I'm talking about a deino

[latent olive]

ok

[maiden trellis]

read the post.

it had literally 2x the rex bite force.

[latent olive]

so go on land and try killing the 6 ton megaherbivore with spikes the size of a human's torso

[maiden trellis]

25K pounds of force.

[latent olive]

surely nothing will go wrong

[maiden trellis]

one bite would kill a stego

actually 5 stegos

[latent olive]

would you like to know where all that bite force is actually translated to

deino's right click

it can grab and drown ANYTHING at 4 tons

and ANYTHING swimming at 6 tons INCLUDING stegosaurus

[limber hull]

"there's no balance" said the man who wants someone's 5+ hours to be erased in a single left click

[latent olive]

a crocodilian/alligatoroid does not kill by sheer biting

they kill by holding and drowning

[pliant elm]

Play as a herbivore and problem solved, or do you want to be able to graze when you're a carnivore? Unfortunately, carnivores is more harder and that's okay...

[maiden trellis]

my 8+ hours erased in 2 swipes of a spikeboi tail or starving to death while I watch him and his dibble girlfriends drink in front of me.

[latent olive]

carnivores should have it hard because theres already 80 out of 100 carnivores on a server at all times

[latent olive]

grab the diablos and run back into the water if youre desperate

[maiden trellis]

on what planet?

[latent olive]

if not, then its just genuinely bad luck

[maiden trellis]

there's 2 stegos and 10 dibbles in front of me RIGHT NOW.

and i'm starving.

[latent olive]

you can grab diablos

[maiden trellis]

not with stegos in the way...maybe you missed that part.

[latent olive]

if theyre actively bodyblocking you from the diablos then yeah, genuine bad luck

you can try to sneak between them, grab a diablo, and quickly make it back into the water

you can survive like, 4 headshots as deino i think

[maiden trellis]

Yes they are. Always.

no.

[pliant elm]

This is not a problem with the good or bad balance of the game but rather about the mindset of the players when making these mix and overpacks

[maiden trellis]

you don't.

2 shots dead. TWO

[latent olive]

its definitely not a 2shot though

[maiden trellis]

yes it is.

I have been 2 shot from full before.

[latent olive]

cos the standing powerswing does like 1800 damage

[maiden trellis]

It's 2 head shots.

[latent olive]

unless its been changed lately

[frank tapir]

headshot multiplier is 1.5 right?

[latent olive]

its only x2 for stego

[maiden trellis]

My point still stands. Read the numbers. Stego never hit anywhere NEAR that hard.

[latent olive]

regardless, deino already instantly kills many things just by pressing RMB

its LMB is supposed to be just a quick snap of the jaws

[pliant elm]

Stego kills a deino with 3-4 Power swings, dealing 2400 damage per headshot

[latent olive]

naw im not reading chat GPT nonsense thanks lmao

[maiden trellis]

They had to group in herds for a reason. Even as adults. But you rarely see two stegos because they can't be killed and can kill anything walking.

GPT just combined the data

it CAN be used to do google searches for you....

[pliant elm]

Just don't try against stegos, man xd

[frank tapir]

yep, three power swings to the head to kill it, regardless of if it's running or standing

[pliant elm]

Stego is an apex made to fight Rex and you, with your Deino, want to fight him?

[frank tapir]

I saw like 6 stegos a couple days ago

all together

[maiden trellis]

for protection, lol?

unlikely

[limber hull]

objectively untrue. The math doesn't work out like that

[maiden trellis]

Muen, Deino hit twice as hard as rex and weighed as much. YES, apex

[frank tapir]

what do you mean?

[maiden trellis]

I mean stegos rolling in packs are doing so so they're doing the killing and not being killed. One stego can kill groups of anything else in the game. So if they're packing it's a "let's roll around and melt everyone boizzzzz". Not, "Lets stay in a group so we're not picked off." that'd be carnivores, and maybe tenos.

[frank tapir]

they were very peaceful and didn't attack anything that I saw, but it was only herbivores there

[maiden trellis]

I urge you all. Play a Deino to fg, and you'll see what I mean. You're basically just starving to death from the moment you spawn. The best you can do is hope you can prolong it. The diet is entirely players, with only 2 (mostly early game) exceptions.

I'm not saying I should be able to walk through a field and kill everyone that moves. I'd just play a stego if so. I'm just saying I should have a SHOT at killing something 1v1 if I'm literally playing the hardest hitting dinosaur in the world's history.

[frank tapir]

deino isn't meant to 1v1 things other than itself

[maiden trellis]

but stego can 1v...pick a number.

"balance"

[frank tapir]

because there's nothing currently that's really meant to fight it

[maiden trellis]

Again....

[brave osprey]

1v20 raptors. 1v6 ceras. 1v5 dibbles. And I could go on

[maiden trellis]

2x rex bite force. Almost same weight.

it's apex

[brave osprey]

I had an experience raptors pack that for for three game days and didn't kill it

[maiden trellis]

It's already confined to water and slow AF. It should hit as hard as it should hit.

[frank tapir]

in real life maybe but this is a game

[maiden trellis]

So balance the game?

AGAIN. I'm not saying it should be able to just 1-shot everyone, but 2-3 on a stego would be fair.

[limber hull]

They have. It's pretty balanced

[frank tapir]

making deino deal significantly more damage isn't positive balance without other massive changes

[limber hull]

Deino can one-shot stego, stego cant do the same.

[lilac bolt]

it can already essentially one shot a stego if its swimming?

[limber hull]

Grab the stego. Drown the stego. One and done

[barren crater]

2-3 shot where tho lol

[maiden trellis]

land

make it a fair fight.

[limber hull]

no?

[maiden trellis]

They're both apex? Make it a fight...

[limber hull]

its an aquatic creature

[barren crater]

Should word it better. 2-3 shot on head or?

[maiden trellis]

Head shots

[limber hull]

it wins in the water, stego wins on the land

thats balanced

[woeful latch]

lovely chatgpt arguments

[barren crater]

I feel like this is pointless. Deino is never going to contend with apexes or anything near its size on land. Been said time and time again

[woeful latch]

if people want fair 1v1 deino vs stego on land then we should also have fair 1v1 in water, am i right?👹

[maiden trellis]

It was an apex, it should be an apex.

[barren crater]

Deino is intended to lose to stego on land. it isn't even meant to be close

[maiden trellis]

I'm fine with stego being able to fight in the water.

[woeful latch]

deinos should know their place.

[maiden trellis]

it would be able to in life.

Yeah their place is the death heap. I get it.

Herbi army unite.

[woeful latch]

it wouldn’t lol

[lilac bolt]

what?

[barren crater]

It's a game lol. In this game deino is meant to punchdown to things it can grab. If it can't grab something, it struggles or outright loses

[maiden trellis]

It can't grab anything because of mixpacks.

[urban flax]

Just herd up lol

[woeful latch]

lol

[barren crater]

Then so be it. There are no rules on officials

[woeful latch]

how it can’t grab because of the mixpacks

[maiden trellis]

can't do that either. Because the diet and AI is designed to pit deinos against each other.

read up cheesy, I'm not explaining how mixpacking stegos works again.

[woeful latch]

dw, i played the game for a while, everything you say doesn’t make any sense

[maiden trellis]

I love how all of you are ganging up on me for stating a fact. Deino hit harder than rex.

Herding up.

[woeful latch]

nice, it’s a game, not irl

nobody cares how it was irl

[maiden trellis]

Clearly.....

[woeful latch]

if you do then this game is not for you

[maiden trellis]

or how unbalanced it is on one side. Even rex is going to be a joke.

[brave osprey]

It is very hard to survive as a deino when a steg stands at the water mixe packing with others and allowing them to drink 1 by 1

[woeful latch]

you’re a joke tho🫥
rex is not even in the game, you have no idea

[brave osprey]

If rex ever gets released

[woeful latch]

alright you edited xd

[woeful latch]

play on the server with the rules, last time i checked officials don’t have any

[barren crater]

The game isn't balanced around mixpacks / megapacks though

[maiden trellis]

It's unbalanced around them.

Since there's no sign of that every being fixed , I'd like to be able to take down the one making them possible.

[barren crater]

So is me being in a group of 10 ceratos. If we accounted for every megapack/mixpack in this game, then nothing would be truly balanced

[maiden trellis]

fair.

[woeful latch]

finally.

[maiden trellis]

I'm okay with mega packs, to be honest. At least everything has the same weaknesses.

[frank tapir]

mixpacks would still exist and be an issue regardless of stegos existence

[limber hull]

stego will probs need buffs for rex tbh LMAO

[woeful latch]

yeah

[maiden trellis]

wow

[woeful latch]

or at least it should be able to stun rex

[urban flax]

This is based on a misleading study which was just scaling up a croc's head for biteforce

[maiden trellis]

well...it's literally the same head, just bigger.

[woeful latch]

something something albertosaurus

[maiden trellis]

The musculature would be the same.

[urban flax]

Yes, but square cube law comes into play
Something which was not considered in the study

"Buff deino to combat mixpacks" ? But then what about deinos who mixpack ?

[heady geode]

the saving grace is that every stego will be multiple stegos, munch grass and megaherd, try feeding a 9 ton with a black hole in the stomach, cant munch grass

[rugged plaza]

Even if deinos biteforce was 500x stronger, balance descisions have to be made

[urban flax]

Herd up !

[limber hull]

that's not a saving grace. No one will be playing stego if it gets murdered on sight by rex as a solo

[urban flax]

Wave you still haven't done the herd up list copypasta

[heady geode]

stego doesnt need a buff, it just needs to stop kos'ing other stegos lol

[heady geode]

people play stego solo now, with other stegos as the stego threat

[maiden trellis]

deinos don't mix pack. The diet and COMPLETE lack of food in waterways made sure of that.

[limber hull]

that... has nothing to do with its matchup with rex

[limber hull]

yea, because rex ain't in yet

[barren crater]

@wide night that's been fixed on the HT :)

[lilac bolt]

the only reason it's unbalanced on one side is due to us lacking land carnivores in those size ranges. with rex coming to the game you should be able to fight something like a stego somewhat reasonably depending on how good you are at the game.

[rugged plaza]

Herbs will likely not “cannibal” as much when common enemies are added

[frank tapir]

deino's do mixpack

[rugged plaza]

🤣

[urban flax]

This is false
I've personally seen mixpacking deinos, and I believe everyone here has

[limber hull]

deinos frequently mixpack lmao

a lot of the time its a stego/deino mixpack

[maiden trellis]

@gray completely agree, but I'd be lying if I said I had ANY hope of that actually being the case.

[barren crater]

Highlands, south plains and NE have a lot of mixpacking deinos lol

[heady geode]

exactly! enemy of my enemy is my friend, back to legacy cuddle piles because theres an apex on every side

[urban flax]

Don't act like deino players have higher standards than the others
They absolutely don't

[limber hull]

herd up argument is inherently flawed

[rugged plaza]

If you buff deinos biteforce to 18 megatons or whatever it was irl then it becomes unstoppable in places where it shouldn’t be.. like land

[woeful latch]

i know people who survive as 3-4 fg deinos pack, there’s always food, it depends where you are on the map

[rugged plaza]

Right

[maiden trellis]

Ther'e one place you might survive as a fg

[limber hull]

its also just not really remotely fun or engaging for anyone to deal with

[maiden trellis]

SP is the only place.

[woeful latch]

sustaining just one deino is easy

[rugged plaza]

south plains

[woeful latch]

even with nerfed ai

[limber hull]

imagine cannibals with an 18000 biteforce LMAO. Good luck

[urban flax]

Including deino itszlf

[maiden trellis]

anywhere else you have to be being fed by someone else (which I think shouldn't be allowed) or die.

[woeful latch]

exactly, but it’s 4, sustaining just one is not the same

[urban flax]

If biteforce growth is linear it means a 30% deino could oneshot a FG one lol

[rugged plaza]

Exactly. Deino is already powerful enough and it’s getting a kit adjustment with unknown changes that might make it even stronger

[woeful latch]

bunch of cool spots like HL, SP, west rail, west access, delta area

[rugged plaza]

Lmao because realism right?

[maiden trellis]

There's not food IN the rivers to sustain FGs, or the swamps, or the lakes. It's the only carnivore that will 100% starve if it's not eating players.

[brave osprey]

I've never seen 4 fg crocs at the same time unless they were fighting for the food spot to survive

[maiden trellis]

^

[rugged plaza]

True

[woeful latch]

i was with them in vc, we were staying there for hours

[maiden trellis]

a friend and I just died to 3 deinos in SP because it's the only hope of being able to eat enough.

[brave osprey]

Did you have a stego body camping water

[woeful latch]

the amount of mixpackers i personally killed is wild

[rugged plaza]

Which is how it should be

[woeful latch]

yes, deino is not meant to be a pack hunter or something lol

[maiden trellis]

Not denying that. But I think there should be more food in all the waterways to allow deinos to play together as well.

[woeful latch]

1-2 max

[barren crater]

Pre schooling fish nerf it was common

[woeful latch]

apex shouldn’t be able to sustain itself on ai

[rugged plaza]

Deinos don’t “play together”. Some creatures aren’t meant to be friends

[woeful latch]

if you add more ai you will get old spiro deino mega packs

[rugged plaza]

The only play you’re gonna get is combat or sparing a juvie lol

[brave osprey]

If there were more ai spawn like Gucci said previously. I believe deino would have a surviving chance

[rugged plaza]

This

[maiden trellis]

Sustain forever, maybe not, but it shouldn't be automatically relegated to starving to death because it can't find more than one catfish....

[woeful latch]

the current ai is actually a good thing, enough to somewhat sustain one or two while they’re waiting for the prey to cross the river or drink

[rugged plaza]

Deino already has one

[woeful latch]

if there’s more deinos they’re forced to kill each other for food

[brave osprey]

A frog lol

[woeful latch]

dull stomach deino can last for 1.5 hours without eating

[maiden trellis]

they already are forced to kill each other for food.?

constantly

[urban flax]

I'll be saying it again
Part of why deino has it so hard with food is, ironically, because it is too strong

[woeful latch]

yes, because they don’t have enough ai

[maiden trellis]

which is my POINT

omfg

[woeful latch]

that’s how it should be

[rugged plaza]

Survival as deino is about territory, you thrive when you can earn the best hunting spots and die if you can’t fight to the top. The competitive gameplay that the devs wanted, no?

[woeful latch]

if there’s more ai we will get easy grow and mega packs for deinos

like it was before

i’m not guessing, that’s literally what we had

[barren crater]

Pretty much. As it is now. South is probably the best spot to be. A lot of traffic and bodies near rivers.

If you can't defend a hotspot then gg?

[woeful latch]

yeah!

[maiden trellis]

i starve to death in swamps, as a juvi...

[urban flax]

You could give dieno 20k biteforce, 100k hp and the ability to swim at mach 3 it would still starve to death the same and nothing would be fixed

People would just hate it even more

[woeful latch]

it’s impossible, fish gives you a lot of ai + random beipis and other juvie deinos

[maiden trellis]

small crocs can't take down big dinos, and big crocs are so hungry they eat anything they can get.

[woeful latch]

ai gives baby deinos a lot more food value

well not really, but it’s complicated

[maiden trellis]

not really..

[woeful latch]

like full stomach for baby deino is 0.1% for fg one

[rugged plaza]

The way it is now is fine, I find that a competitive atmosphere with a playable like deino is great. Having to risk it all to claim the best places to hunt and being rewarded when eliminating competition with valuable food very interactive and gives depth to a playable that would otherwise be just.. a crocodile. It’s done well and if crocs are starving, they need to move.

[woeful latch]

so you just eat one fish move to delta and grow

[maiden trellis]

exactly, and yet FROG is the only protein? seriously? no mammals on the diet for an 8-ton stomach?

[woeful latch]

or respawn somewhere else

[maiden trellis]

okay, so don't make the game work, just limp around...

freakin' herbis man...

[woeful latch]

?

[barren crater]

[rugged plaza]

So goes the difficulty of growth. The first stages are always the hardest and it’s a milestone that everyone has to pass in order to get the edge in competition

[maiden trellis]

this has been..well....not fun, but whatever it's been.

enlightening.

[rugged plaza]

At least we have organs 🥹

[heady geode]

The Organ Lover

[woeful latch]

deino is pain to grow sometimes, but you’re getting funny one shot mechanic against most of the roster for that

it’s going to be a lot more fun when sucho/bary etc are in the game

[maiden trellis]

I sure hope so.

something to eat would be great.

[rugged plaza]

Right. A lot of the joy of deino is that you’re predation pressure and threats come almost exclusively from others of your own species. You don’t have to fight your food and you’re invisible at will

[barren crater]

[woeful latch]

i hate that they added deino waaay too early, sucho could do its job just fine, or just don’t add aquatic at all

but it is what it is, apexes shouldn’t be easy to grow

[rugged plaza]

Well whatever it was I hoped you realized why realistic biteforce isn’t good

[woeful latch]

that’s wild statement when you can literally drown other deinos…

[barren crater]

https://clan.fastly.steamstatic.com/images//10915315/ea2e06fa44435f23673f1aa61f702b6b079cf60a.gif

[woeful latch]

but i guess they will change stuff for that lmao

[rugged plaza]

I think there’s a strong silver lining to the whole “apex too soon deino stego rahhh” because now we know what needs to be done with them to make them..balanced

[maiden trellis]

I'm asking for closer to real. Semblance. I know 25,000 pounds of force will never happen and would be so broken as to not be fun. I don't want any ONE dino or group of dinos ruling everywhere. I honestly feel like trike is going to break the game.

[lilac bolt]

also having migrations/patrol zones getting better at spreading out dinos out throughout the map could potentially help deino as well but it'll probably be a while before we see any changes to those

[maiden trellis]

I agree gray

[latent olive]

to be fair, when you grab another deino, that things wildly thrashing about

would use a lot of oxygen

[maiden trellis]

ONE place to eat is....horrible.

[rugged plaza]

Trike is breaking the game, but its predator is just around the corner which will change that. They’ll be breaking the game together! 😆

[maiden trellis]

It'd be like there was one tree in SP and it only spawned every 10 minutes and whoever is alive gets to eat it. That's how it feels.

[barren crater]

Considering the vast majority are carnivore players, they'll likely just go to the new hotspot where deinos can't drown anything

[latent olive]

straight to southwest lmao

[maiden trellis]

yeah...

[heady geode]

wait a minute, what Did kissen mean by this...

[maiden trellis]

The new water spots all feel like they were literally made to stamp out what was left of deino players.

[heady geode]

that makes no damn sense, deino drowns in mere seconds when grabbed, 10 minutes of oxygen!

[rugged plaza]

I think deino does that on purpose but exclusively to other grabbed deinos. When you try and drown beipi it doesn’t work for example

[maiden trellis]

It feels like the devs don't want anyone to play deino. I don't know why they don't just remove it if they're going to design the game to eliminate them.

maybe they'll fix pzs. I don't hold out hope.

[rugged plaza]

Right, I suggested for them to dry out over time and only be filled during rain for this reason

[maiden trellis]

That would be awesome.

And would be realistic.

[brave osprey]

That would be awesome

[rugged plaza]

The drought system was said to be too complicated but cmon..

[latent olive]

nah youre thinking of the flooding system i believe

[rugged plaza]

Ah

[maiden trellis]

that's bs. programming is so easy now...

[latent olive]

they want droughts and heatwaves

[rugged plaza]

Let’s watch what we say lol, never know until you try it out yourself

[maiden trellis]

I have. Programming is easy now.

[rugged plaza]

Alright then if you know what you’re talking about then all credit to you

[maiden trellis]

Floods would be amazing too. If they're going to have monsoon rains, they should have monsoon water show up.

Get SOMETHING out of losing my hearing.

[heady geode]

I'm hoping that has something to do with Savanna, since the announcement for it was "added before location features"

[rugged plaza]

If the drought/flood system were to work there would likely be a minimum and maximum water level, the minimum would be during dry seasons or whatnot and those deino-proof watering holes would be nothing but dust and I imagine many river offshoots would recede as well

[maiden trellis]

yeah

if they pull that off, this game would be epic. And not just for the crocadillios

[rugged plaza]

The idea of a dry/wet season has peaked my interest for awhile now, especially regarding migration

[maiden trellis]

I like playing land carnivores as well, but I like stealth.

yeah it would force migrations to be real.

[heady geode]

No more south plains river, we're killing the hotspot by turning off the sewage from the Hex Dome

[maiden trellis]

lol

[urban flax]

What exactly is that new common knowledge that makes programming so easy now ? I know people who would like to know it

Please don't say ChatGPT

[rugged plaza]

My idea is during dry season, migration zones are active and force players to move about. And during the wet season, food can be found everywhere just like on spiro or before migrations, and getting food becomes a matter of know-how. I feel this is much more nesting-friendly, as there would be certain areas of the map that, say, are in-between all of teno’s food locations during the wet season and would become a nesting hotspot for tenos (once nesting is fixed)

[maiden trellis]

I'd rather there weren't hot spots at all. I'd love to be able to survive somewhere besides SP, or at least have a SHOT at seeing someone there who wasn't a fresh spawn headed to SP.

[rugged plaza]

Honestly please say chat GPT I don’t feel like educating myself 💅

[frank tapir]

I'm pretty sure kissen or one of the other devs said the issue with floods was the vegetation

[rugged plaza]

Hotspots will never not be an issue, so I propose that during certain seasons hotspots would alternate, just to give at least some fluctuations

[maiden trellis]

Yeah I'm fine if they move. But they don't.

[rugged plaza]

Right 😦

[maiden trellis]

MZs and PZs don't really incentivize movement or punish static.

[rugged plaza]

Patrols especially

[maiden trellis]

Maybe once an MZ or PZ is eaten up they should just make the grass stop growing.

[rugged plaza]

I don’t fully understand the migration system, but I know it isn’t exactly doing its job..

[maiden trellis]

can't graze, gotta move.

Smell the star trees like the land before time. 😛

https://tenor.com/view/universal-studios-dinosaur-land-before-time-take-a-rest-cute-gif-17866865

[rugged plaza]

Honestly I feel like grass should be more of a food source than diet plants, add some sort of dynamic grazing where trampled and overgrazed land can’t be eaten from

[maiden trellis]

speaking of which, sauropods...that would be awesome. Especially if some were playables.

[rugged plaza]

Just as flesh=food and organs=diet for carnivores, have grass=food and other veggies=diets for herbivores

[maiden trellis]

this.

[rugged plaza]

I also have an idea to discourage op herding while still allowing some herds to form since “boo mixpacking” imo, shouldn’t apply to herbivores that would reasonably coexist and band together against threats. Grazing levels- primary, secondary, and tertiary. Primary grass (tallest shoots) are edible to apex herbivores, secondary to mid tiers, and tertiary to small tiers. This automatically creates competition among herbivores- but only the ones that should have it. Stego doesn’t compete with dryo. I also think it would help against apex herbivore only herds, keeping variety and whatnot

[frank tapir]

@frail prawn carno's growth time has been reduced in the ht

also carno and cerato are the exact same weight

[maiden trellis]

Anyway...it's 3 am here. This turned out better than it started. Thank you for the counterpoints. I know nobody likes deinos, so anyone advocating for them is going to get dunked on, but I can't not say what I think. At a minimum, I gained some hope that things around the game might change to lessen my suffering.

[frail prawn]

Thank god, now it just needs its pack limit boosted some, because Cerato is just dominating the playing field and its getting obnoxious seeing them.

[rugged plaza]

lol it’s 3am here too. I’m only up because I think I have contracted pink eye. 💀

[maiden trellis]

oof

best of luck on that.

[rugged plaza]

Thanks lmao. Cheers

[woeful latch]

literally no idea xddd

[woeful latch]

i mean yeah, but does what kissen said means it will be impossible to drown other aquatics?

[woeful latch]

yeah..

[rugged plaza]

Deeeefinitelyyy…

[normal shuttle]

@maiden trellis with due respect, I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how balancing in this game works

Nothing is forced to obey realism

Especially when it comes to balance

Deino is not meant to be a brawler killing with bites and rex already has a high enough bite, no need to be killing other apexes in 5 body hits

And wildebeests drink in groups because they’re social animals and also diminishes the chance of one of them specifically getting snatched 😭 nothing to do with bite force

[limber hull]

the wildebeest calculates its predator's biteforce and acts accordingly

[indigo gulch]

Literally 1 of the major reasons herbivores group up. Or schools of fish.

[normal shuttle]

So true. It measured it with a crocodile in stable conditions

[normal shuttle]

Exactly, has nothing to do with bite force 😭

[junior nymph]

the realism thing is such a stupid suggestion

hey lets make deino 1 tap things like stego cause realism 🙂 even though its not a realistic game

[normal shuttle]

Was never meant to be realistic

When will people realize that

Also screw herbivores ig

[junior nymph]

they make it realistic for carnivores

[waxen moss]

@thorn field I think they should also fix falling off the lil tiny bushes that don't have collision.

[normal shuttle]

True, rex realistically dying to a single stego swing to the head is clearly off limits

Too unbalanced and unfair

But deino emerging out of nowhere from murky water and two tapping a fg stego that couldn’t see or hear it coming even though the gator absolutely could?

[rugged plaza]

@thorn field ..do you mean Herrera? I am so confused

[normal shuttle]

Omni getting knocked with any minimally solid terrain methinks

[rugged plaza]

Ahhh yes. I think there should be ONE plant that knocks you off, visually distinct and evenly spread across biomes. It doesn’t have to be rare. The current issue is just everywhere you look there’s a dismount, even in open fields, especially in jungles.

[wooden agate]

quick question, nile crocodiles are apexes yes?

[junior nymph]

the fossa is a apex

and they are 8kg

[wooden agate]

true

but my point is, apex does not mean unkillable. it does not mean the strongest around.

deino is never going to be some land dominating force that can contend with the apexes up there. its just not built for that, nor is it meant to be doing that within its ecological niche

you want the advantage? wait for stego to swim.

stego wants the advantage? wait until deino comes onto land

people complain that the crocodile isnt crocodile focused enough when that is literally its current playstyle

crocodile, to a T

[pliant elm]

@wide night Maia posture change is instantaneous, but there is a bug where the change does not occur while you are making sounds.

[gilded drift]

rex should not win against a deino when it's swimming tho..

hm actually, what does one gain from nesting? you gain nothing

there should be some reward system for nesters

[limber hull]

it will likely play into elders

[normal shuttle]

Housecats are apexes too

Doesn’t mean a coyote isnt gonna roll them anyway if given the chance

[rugged plaza]

Why remove the mutations for offspring though… then no one will want to be nested in

[gilded drift]

where did i mention offspring should lose mutations

[limber hull]

did

did you read the post you literally screenshotted

[gilded drift]

Notice how I referred to 1 single part of the post, and not the rest

[limber hull]

okay? cool but you still posted the whole thing, and thus someone responded to the arguments made in said post

it's not targeted at you lol its targeted at the thing you sent

[gilded drift]

You said I mentioned the "remove mutations" but I never did, you need to read

[limber hull]

i didnt say that at all

[rugged plaza]

I interpret it as you don’t inherit mutations anymore?

[limber hull]

in a conversation about reading comprehension this is the funniest possible screenshot you could've taken

[indigo gulch]

Looks more like an self interruption tbh

Cuse even if it isn’t, that “did” is not even saying something. It’s missing a word to be useful

[wooden agate]

posts screenshot
surprised when people assume you agree with screenshot because you gave no further context other than "you gain nothing from nesting" when the screenshot is specifically trying (keyword) to fix that

you cant make this up

[rugged plaza]

lol. I think he might have had a good suggestion but lost it with the poor readability

[wooden agate]

thats just pale emperor tbf

he has good suggestions sometimes so i dont really mind his english shortcoming

but please god dont talk to him about deino

[rugged plaza]

lol

Strong takes?

[indigo gulch]

“Deino should be able to oneshot a stego” levels of takes

[gilded drift]

i referred to a very small part of the post

@vital laurel hypsi climbing is coming with rex and trike HT?

[vital laurel]

possibly

[gilded drift]

Are you suggesting they dedicate a hordetest to hypsi and ptera rework, and not release it at the same time as rex and trike?

because people won't have as much fun in ht?

[vital laurel]

im saying people usually dont enjoy a long HT, community servers suffer, and stuff tends to break so you cant enjoy the content that is already stable

[leaden violet]

The problem with HT is the playability. Until they figure out how to make it stable people won’t want to play it. The rubber banding is crazy.

[gilded drift]

So you want the next HT to only be rex/trike, so that it is quicker

and then have independent HTs for ptera/hypsi rework

(if ptera/hypsi rework is coming with rex/trike)

[vital laurel]

no the current HT would be rex and trike since that is what is being done ATM, but then instead of adding on more you keep it at only adding rex and whatever else might be needed for rex and trike, so ptera and hypsi dont get TLC this HT

[gilded drift]

what do you mean by adding on more, you mean adding ptera and hypsi onto the rex ht?

[vital laurel]

yes, as that is a possibility, for ptera it is all but a probability since it is disabled

[gilded drift]

And what is the purpose of this, is it so that people have more fun?

in the hordetets

[vital laurel]

As i said HTs are less stable and it would hold off the QoL additions from unofficals

[gilded drift]

QoL additions?

[vital laurel]

spawn codes, rejoin after crashing

[gilded drift]

@abstract totem how are you going to add a playable for the sole purpose of being food for deino

[gilded drift]

how would less stable HTs hold off QoL additions

[abstract totem]

Well i was thinking if you are a juvi you are vulnerable like maias but when you're adult you are formidable.

[vital laurel]

the HTs are less stable and in addition to adding more to the HT instead of finishing up the current stuff in HT the already finished parts are delayed from getting added to evrima

[abstract totem]

Maturity brings your strength. The concept i was talking about was for juvi deinos anyways so there is still competition for juvi deinos.

[gilded drift]

so as an adult you can't be caught by deinos?

[abstract totem]

Well i would hope they would implement some sort of defense mechanism for those prey animals like incsacs to blind them or having sharp claws.

[normal shuttle]

@abstract totem you mean like all of the upcoming semi aquatics that are also going to be more than playable deino fodder?

Don’t see how a small cheirus or spino wouldn’t be a readily available meal for an adult deino

Or any bary that isn’t part of a pack in a pond

[abstract totem]

Well because of biodiversity if they are all going to be carnivorous you can hopefully see how dependent they will be on ai spawns...

[abstract totem]

True but again biodiversity is important. They can't all depend on ai spawns

[normal shuttle]

I don’t get this

What’s stopping a bary from hunting something on land or just living off fish

Anything sucho size or below will have no trouble whatsoever with elite fish around

[acoustic spruce]

@plush mist what do you mean by old carno?

[normal shuttle]

And I don’t get how is diversity affected by things that take benefit from AI

When also minmi, anky, maybe cama and then cheirus won’t be eating just fish if at all (most cases actually)

[abstract totem]

What? I mean that people are complaining about ai not spawning enough...so we need to be less dependent on ai

[abstract totem]

Well then that would prove my point of adding herbivorous creatures huh?

[plush mist]

1800 KG 185 biteforce

[gilded drift]

having sharp claws? beipi has that

beipi's bleed dmg is crazy
_

Why do people downvote this

What do we currently have which will make rex juvies have a hard time?

[abstract totem]

Well they aren't real prey for juvi deinos cause they so fast.

[rugged plaza]

Because bringing back old carno is just a heap of size affects that has been discussed a million times over on why what we have is ok and it isn’t changing because old carno isn’t what the devs want, and the reason to want it back is just “kill small rexes” as if carno won’t be able to do that currently, and as if carno is going to be the only predator of Rex. It isn’t.

[rugged plaza]

That and you can’t drown beipi in a lunge, but beipi isn’t really meant to be prey for deino I think. Deinos diet is terrestrial animals (I’m talking about things it’s supposed to and is designed around hunting not what the diet menu says)

[normal shuttle]

or we could have AI bugs fixed. And also less creatures than need 5 schools of fish to get 10% hunger (spoiler alert: sucho and bary do not suffer from that)

[abstract totem]

Yes so that means that as juvis they depend on fish...which means that if ai spawns are bugged or not frequent then uh oh no more deinos.

[normal shuttle]

current carno

[abstract totem]

That would be good

[normal shuttle]

omnis too

also dilos

herreras

deinos

troodons

juvi rexes are gonna have a hard time

[abstract totem]

But then ai spawns would be too frequent and make servers laggy

[gilded drift]

juvie rex is going to have a very easy time growing

[normal shuttle]

AI in officials is just fine and ideal for any current or upcoming fisher smaller than deino or spino (as it should be)

[normal shuttle]

not at all especially if they keep that extreme growth curve shown once

of a 45% rex (like 5 hours) still being smaller than a cera

[abstract totem]

Ai is just fine? People are complaining that it isn't frequent enough.

[normal shuttle]

even if rex needs to spend 2 hours before being 900 kilograms, it's gonna be fodder for basically every agile creature in the game

[abstract totem]

People are starving and not growing

[normal shuttle]

because they are either in an unofficial with too many players or having a chronic skill issue (because yes, fish spawns can be controlled), or ig they just cant get enough elite fish to keep a 5 ton deino

[abstract totem]

Well still even if it's a "skill" issue to you there is a problem.

[normal shuttle]

yeah

deino being ass is a big contributor to that

and also its spawns

[abstract totem]

Yeah

[gilded drift]

there is no rex that is going to take 5 hours to reach that

[normal shuttle]

why ? Trike takes 8 hours on a 300% diet and such diet boost is gonna be very much impossible for rex other than hatchlings or fresh spawns getting an egg

or trike/deino eggs as a juvi ig

[gilded drift]

How long would trike take without diet?

[normal shuttle]

0% boost? 32 hours

approximately

[gilded drift]

rex will take more than 10 hours to grow on 100%?

[icy lion]

If it has the same growth time as trike, yea

[normal shuttle]

absolutely

don't see why rex would have a vastly inferior growth time compared to trike's

if anything they're gonna have about the same I am guessing

so yeah, average rex players needing like 5 hours to hit 50% is perfectly possible

[gilded drift]

and at that point it wouldn't even be as heavy as cerato?

[normal shuttle]

assuming they keep the same growth curve that was shown or something similar, yes, that is correct

so either way I am guessing juvenile rexes are gonna get rolled by carnos

and even some subadults might have trouble defending a corpse if a few ceras pull up

[gilded drift]

Ok, i was wrong

Rex is too difficult to grow as then

[normal shuttle]

never too difficult

or if so, then it's a good thing

[leaden bronze]

@normal shuttle why you again?

[normal shuttle]

cuz Rugops, Alberto, Troodon and Meg exist

[leaden bronze]

... Carno and raptor creatures are the most dangerous to humans bc of speed of carno and raptors + it is their prey size + alberto hunted bigger animals than it itself and troodon actually makes sense.

[urban flax]

None of these hunted humans irl

[gilded drift]

Irrelevant

[leaden bronze]

But of humans get guns i am sure if they see troodon it would be annihilated

[urban flax]

😂

[leaden bronze]

Alberto is too big to consider humans a food + they hunter actually big animals by choking them ( probably )

[lilac bolt]

who knows it might be worth it to save ammo on something bigger. hard to know till humans are actually in game

[normal shuttle]

well you see not only I don't wanna ride in the wagon of turning omni and carno into the wowie super cool soybait dinosaurs

But also rugops is a highly maneuverable, fast moving and hinted stealth hunter. Alberto is gonna be according to the game (concept art and some devs) the biggest thing to reliably threaten humans. Troo is fast and quirky as a night hunter. And then meg can go anywhere, smaller ones can climb and it's a giant komodo dragon that also could have eaten humans so why not

[normal shuttle]

true, carno did

[leaden bronze]

Would consider hunting human size animals

It is what he meant

[normal shuttle]

mfw I realize the animals that I cannot reliably shoot (either small+fast or big+some special way of moving, like hippos and crocs) are the things that give trouble to humans the most

[leaden bronze]

I agree with troodon, but guns make it a 50/50

[normal shuttle]

also rugops bruv

and Berto is shown not once, but twice doing that thing in the concept

[urban flax]

Troodon sounds like the perfect predator to humans tbh

[leaden bronze]

Imagine a carno rushing at you, no chance of survival

[leaden bronze]

Yea, they need some prey

[urban flax]

Not sure about rugops, it would need to have high damage to be an actual threat at that size

[normal shuttle]

imagine a rugops rushing at you from behind after it turned invisible

or alberto rushing at you

[urban flax]

Megalania could be a terror to humans too
But I guess raptor and carno also do the job pretty well

[leaden bronze]

Most likely not happening

[normal shuttle]

or a sub meg dropping from a tree or lurking in the water

[normal shuttle]

I agree. But I don't know how to feel about making those two in particular the ultimate ones

[leaden bronze]

They will probly make it possible to get rain water but yea that'd be cool

[normal shuttle]

berto won't be able to run?

[normal shuttle]

water can also be an approach tool

[leaden bronze]

Why would it atack me? I will give like 3% of hunger

[urban flax]

Alberto isn't that big

It's around 3 tons

[leaden bronze]

Yea, it would lose more calories hunting me than gain from eating me

[lusty seal]

#general-feedback message could someone explain the error in my line of reasoning

[normal shuttle]

devs prolly have some plans for it to be just this unstoppable behemoth for humans but small enough that actually is worth killing

[normal shuttle]

that randos making mods aren't trustworthy for balance

[lusty seal]

Well that’s why it’d just be mods to expirament with what could work.

[leaden bronze]

Maybe, but carno gotta be more terryfying

[normal shuttle]

I am a hater

[leaden bronze]

Or omni, or UTAH

[normal shuttle]

not saying it couldn't

[leaden bronze]

Then why dissagree?

[lusty seal]

Duuuuuuuuuude uncool T. rex wouldn’t be dissapointed

[normal shuttle]

but why those two specifically when all the mentioned ones could work, and also utah

[leaden bronze]

I just wanna hear your honnest oppinion dont hide anything i will not be offended

[normal shuttle]

Not hiding anything

[leaden bronze]

Thanks

[normal shuttle]

I think carno and omni would be great at hunting humans

[leaden bronze]

That's my idea

[lusty seal]

I mean your idea will pretty much just happen

[leaden bronze]

It would be perfect food for theese creature

[leaden bronze]

[normal shuttle]

but not the biggest threats

[lusty seal]

Maybe you could recommend something specific like humans don’t much food but a good amount of nutrients

[normal shuttle]

I think that at the very least troodon and rugops would be more optimal than carno

[lusty seal]

Ye rugops will be

[leaden bronze]

U arent running away or hiding from utah, xD

[normal shuttle]

nor are you from a rugops, one competent troodon or a meg

[leaden bronze]

Shotgun coming in clutch! Nah just kidding troodon would be very cool hunter

[lusty seal]

Omni is pretty big still, rugops can fit in small spaces

Rugops niche is pretty much human Hunter 💀

[normal shuttle]

and also is hinted to be good at stealth (good when guns rely heavily on sight), still very maneuverable and a decent swimmer

mono could be amazing as well

[lusty seal]

Oo ya, lots of floating ideas on camo

[leaden bronze]

On plains humans getting annihilated by carno🔥

[lusty seal]

You can also see and hear carno coming tho

It’s bigger

[leaden bronze]

Btw every weapon is based on sight, even with a bigass sword u aint hitting something u cant see

[rugged plaza]

@median coral pachy IS heavier than pachy. Galli is literally a snake with ostrich legs, it deserves to be pinned

[leaden bronze]

And what about that? U cant run or fight back

[normal shuttle]

so rugops having a stealth related ability would make it peak vs humans

[lusty seal]

You can hide

[normal shuttle]

oh right almost forgot, dilo too

[leaden bronze]

Goodluck, carnis can track

[normal shuttle]

dilo would be good at that as well

[leaden bronze]

But pretty optimal

[lusty seal]

Humans will literally be vulnerable to everything

[normal shuttle]

or quetz, the damn quetz

[normal shuttle]

dryo vs human fight would go hard

[leaden bronze]

😭 dilo doesnt need extra prey

[gilded drift]

how many bullets to the head should it take to kill a rex?

[leaden bronze]

Shotgun cooks

[normal shuttle]

many

with all guns available most likely

[lusty seal]

I think everything will have humans on its diet cause why not

[gilded drift]

how many with a handgun

[leaden bronze]

I aint killing that beast none could pen its skull, WE DONT TALK ABOUT .50 BMG HERE

[lilac bolt]

depends on the gun but with a normal handgun probably a lot

[leaden bronze]

Dryo would be cool to have it, xD

[normal shuttle]

we are not getting that caliber most likely

[leaden bronze]

Yea

[gilded drift]

with a rifle, how many should rex be able to tank with its head?

5 bullets? or

[normal shuttle]

wasting ammo and time doing that then. A killshot on a rex can only happen in a very small fraction of its skull, and the rest of it is capable of withstanding the stress of its bite force

[lusty seal]

Probobly like 50 cause that rex is 6 hours of time

[gilded drift]

50 shots to the head?

[normal shuttle]

even a handgun bullet could unironically bounce off a large bear's skull with a favorable angle, imagine with rex

[lusty seal]

Depends on how rare ammo is ofc

[urban flax]

A basic handgun should be around 50 damage so a human has a chance of surviving if not shot directly to the head

That'd be about 120 headshots to kill a rex

[normal shuttle]

misinformation

[gilded drift]

lol no absolutely not

[urban flax]

Unless bullets are given a special damage calculation, which I hope they do

[leaden bronze]

Considering deino is a crocodile, a long rifle like .370 could pen its eye-ear place it is where brain lies and is very vulnerable

[lusty seal]

I have no clue

[normal shuttle]

Glocks ain't that strong compared to most other guns. They can hurt you or pierce something like a pipe but not entirely through

[leaden bronze]

Also crocs have very small brains xD, they only need to know when to eat, drink and how to bite

[normal shuttle]

rex is likely gonna be +12 on 100% diet

[leaden bronze]

Imagine hollow point in your ankle 😭

[lusty seal]

THAT’S ABSURD

[leaden bronze]

I say like 15

[normal shuttle]

it is perfectly reasonable

[normal shuttle]

ik, going for very low estimates

[lusty seal]

it’s balanced fs that’s just so much time

[leaden bronze]

Stego is like 7-8h

[gilded drift]

imagine growing 15h just to get canni'd by some other rex a few minutes later

[lusty seal]

On a dinosaur video game 😭

[normal shuttle]

skissue

[leaden bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

[lilac bolt]

hopefully its actually worth growing that long.

[normal shuttle]

optimize its diet then

or just dont play the higher end apexes

[gilded drift]

which is why it's going to happen to you

[normal shuttle]

maybe

[leaden bronze]

Did not they say rex is gonna be 3h for it to weight 1t?

[gilded drift]

i ain't spending 15 hours growing anything except a quetz

[lusty seal]

I ain’t spending 15 hours

[normal shuttle]

hopefully kids and newcomers wont flock to it and will be encouraged to find other things they didn't know they could like

[normal shuttle]

who?

[leaden bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-smile-haha-gif-16493621245761075453

Very nice for carno @leaden bronze

[leaden bronze]

I heard rumors

[gilded drift]

it's absurd to claim that rex won't weigh as much as a cera before it's 5h

[leaden bronze]

My carno dream

[gilded drift]

what the hell can a rex challenge at that %?

[leaden bronze]

Id love to kill many young rexes

[leaden bronze]

Boars

Chikens maybe, bullfrog

[normal shuttle]

other juveniles, and gallis/dryos/solo omnis/solo dilos/sub carnos and the like

small game hunter

[lilac bolt]

i mean honestly they'll probably will still try to play rex either way but they'll just die a lot but who knows

[leaden bronze]

Is rex gonna be canni? I am not playing rex if it doe- IMAGINE THE MEGAPACK AS MUCH AS WITH CERAS OR IT MIXPSCKING WITH TRIKES

I am leaving the game

[lilac bolt]

we don't know yet it hasn't been denied or confirmed by any devs that i know of

[gilded drift]

galli? what? the uncatchable herbi that rex can just dream of eating

[modest dock]

its not apparently

[leaden bronze]

Broken legs galli, + young rex gonna be realy fast

And fg gonna be slow

Cuz it skipped the leg day

[normal shuttle]

bruh, juvi rex as shown (if they don't change it) was like 55kph at 900kg

you absolutely can catch it off guard and before it accelerates

[urban flax]

Ambushing is a thing

[normal shuttle]

yes

[urban flax]

People get ambushed by stegos, therefore the argument of "X carnivore will starve because it's slower than its prey" is moot

[leaden bronze]

What the f- how am i gonna kill them if they are faster than carno

[normal shuttle]

I have ambushed deinos and ceras as stego 😔

also carnos as dibble

[normal shuttle]

charge

[leaden bronze]

I HATE YOU

[normal shuttle]

rex is gonna have abysmal agility

[leaden bronze]

Is it over 55kph? It sometimes is realy hard to hit a cera with charge too

I mean if i get the speed mutationnit could work

[normal shuttle]

carno charge makes you go at 59.4 kph

[leaden bronze]

Dibbles gotta be the most arrogant and annoying people irl

[normal shuttle]

you can catch a juvi rex in a straight line and also you get a knockdown or at the very least a stun when hitting

[leaden bronze]

No mutation? Thatbis cool

I mean i catched gallis but with mutation

[normal shuttle]

telling ya

[leaden bronze]

And barely

[normal shuttle]

juvi rex is gonna be carno fodder

[lilac bolt]

wasn't it 56?

[leaden bronze]

I wanna get a new carno comeback add 10000+ animals under 1000kg weight and slower than 47kph

[normal shuttle]

no

it gives you like a flat 10kph

you can catch photo tissue gallis running (+58)

[normal shuttle]

@gilded drift I am not really getting the thought process here

and also smaller ones were prioritized to avoid huge gaps of power as much as possible

[gilded drift]

cool now what happened as a result? no one cares about dryo, hypsi, troodon

they're not taken seriously

person X won't play them because no one else plays them, so no one plays them

[normal shuttle]

what

that is completely unrelated

to whether they are big or small

this is making no sense to me unless you actually explain the line of thought

[gilded drift]

do you see it happen to pachy?

or stego or deino or cerato or carno or omni

[normal shuttle]

pachy is more uncommon than troodon

[gilded drift]

or maia or teno

[gilded drift]

you never see troodon packs so it doesn't count

[normal shuttle]

and guess why

because most tiny tiers are either incomplete or underwhelming

[normal shuttle]

why wouldn't it? still people playing troodon

[normal shuttle]

just give people an incentive to play them and there will be a reason to use them

and still I don't get it because all I'm getting is

devs' decisions with the roster is questionable
Why add new small dinos when the pop is still only 100? This is why we never see dryos, pteras are scarce, beipis are rare and troodon was a trend
Okay, how is more population going to fix an issue that is apparently tied to implementing new smalls?
And why doesn't this happen with the larger ones?

person X won't play them because no one else plays them, so no one plays them
Cannot this apply to many other playables whether they are big or small?

[gilded drift]

lol @normal shuttle that's a weird question

look at petits pieds with its 300 pop, the population actually did fix the exact issue i'm talking about

you see beipi packs, troodon packs, you ALWAYS see a dryo at hotspots

[desert arch]

Saying no one cares abt troodon is crazy 😭

[normal shuttle]

Petits has more than just population. People are encouraged to play underpicked playables, more players also means a higher absolute number of each playable but equal proportions, and also playables have a cap so not everyone can go dibble and cera and have to find other things

Yet it does nothing to address the core issues of underpicked smalls, which are balance and design problems that could be addressed with relative ease, like HT troodon actually.

you could just, yknow, suggest that the balancing and unique abilities and gameplay of small critters is more fleshed out

and boom, solved

[gilded drift]

takes more time and does not fix the issue

[normal shuttle]

it absolutely does

making a playable interesting leads to more people getting interested in it

who would've thought

no one plays dryo or hypsi because there's nothing unique to do with them really whereas you have things like herra, carno, dibble and teno around which play out very differently from each other and are engaging to use

instead of being glorified legacy playables

[wooden agate]

i havent read any of this but i saw something saying troodon is rare

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[gritty heart]

Many smaller creatures, such as troo, are meant to rely on larger numbers/pack sizes

[summer geode]

Is this game a hard-core survival game?

Then why is mixpacking even a thing.

🙂

Is this game attempting to replicate an actual ecosystem?

Then why is mixpacking even a thing

🙂

Is this game attempting to be balanced?

Then why is mixpacking even a thing?

🙂

[wooden agate]

mixpacking is getting some solutions in the future

we just dont have much information about it right now

in the mean time; unofficials

[summer geode]

If this game is just a casual sit around and grow-fest, where mixpacking is totally 100% ok then why not play PoT where mixpacking is standard

🙂

Can't use "for balance" or "in real life" as reasons for changes or implementing features to the game so long as mixpacking is permitted

🙂

[icy lion]

No need to expand all your messages with emojis, it's kinda flooding this channel a bit

[summer geode]

"Carno shouldn't have its weight increased"

"Raptor needs to be buffed"

"Cera shouldn't have a pack size of 4"

Is allllllll meaningless because valance is pointless so long as mixpacking is permitted.

Carno diet is horrible? Just mixpack

Cera can't catch anything? Just mixpack

Ptera stam is horrible? Just mixpack

Maia unbalanced? Just mixpack

Dilo clones broken again? Just mixpack

Inb4 "just play unofficials" because the majority of the playerbase plays unofficials already. If the base "official" game needs in-house server rules to band-aid fix a core issue, then the game has a problem.

[cyan flame]

@summer geodeThe devs want to find mechanics to prevent it, not rules, hence we're stuck with it for now until said mechanics are implemented. They do not want mixpacking, at least between carnis, and carni/herbi. I think herbis mixing is fine though, at least far as the devs are concerned.

[summer geode]

"Oh but I like playing with friends on other dinos"

Cool. So why don't you go play on an unofficial server then.

I gurrantee you a 10 person mixpack negatively affects 3x as many people.