general-feedback-discussion

[torn void]

Yes, thats the issues
For now Just the body camping thing is good

[woeful latch]

no, it’s not

[torn void]

Some practices will have debuffs, and these debuffs are realistic.

[woeful latch]

what if they killed something near the rock in hiding on top of? what if there’s bugged body somewhere? what if it’s a dead fish in the water? what if i’m nesting and there’s dead hatchling at my nest?

should i get debuffs for that?

[thick summit]

Realism.

Let's force our playables to sleep, to sit all day and make them die to infections

[woeful latch]

what if i WANT to body camp so a carnivore don’t eat to heal and come back to kill me after?

[thick summit]

Because yk...realism

[torn void]

If it's bugged, maybe it's a bug?..
The range you can stay close to the body will be shorter or longer depending on the body.

[woeful latch]

real

[woeful latch]

cool, i already told you possible issues

[raven sky]

What if I'm a stego backed up to a wall, fighting raptors and I kill a couple but they continue attacking so I can't move?

[torn void]

Then you should get a infection

[thick summit]

Herbivores don't get debuffs irl

[woeful latch]

okay, so carnivore should get an infection too?

[torn void]

The effect wont happen as fast

[woeful latch]

or infection should magically affect only herbivores

[thick summit]

Yes

[woeful latch]

👹

[thick summit]

Down with the herbivores!!!!

[torn void]

They are adapted to hunting and feed on that, a dispute for bodies between carnivores is reasonable.

[raven sky]

Raptor Vs stego is very long fight

[woeful latch]

well i still didn’t get an answer to majority of this questions, if we figure out how to deal with that then we can talk about the debuff

[thick summit]

This is the most unintentional rage bait ever.

[raven sky]

All these kinds of debuffs that people are suggesting for various things just don't work in an active game environment

[torn void]

If it's a big body, you'll see it, if it's small it will hardly affect you.
If there are bugged bodies it's a game bug, there's not much we can do
A fish will have a small area
A hatchling will also have a small area

[torn void]

Still

[thick summit]

I'm so glad the devs will never add something like that

[torn void]

I Hope they do

Its unfair

[thick summit]

😭 🙏

How dare you to play the game!!!

[torn void]

Man

Yk what? You're right

In a carnivore but i wanna eat plants

This game doesn't even let me play it😡😡

[thick summit]

Nah just imagine you die because of some bs mechanic that won't allow you to properly defend yourself because some meta slaves send in their juvis to give you the debuff so they can kill you with ease

[torn void]

I can't even jump off a cliff because of these realistic mechanics, or even swim to infinity and beyond

[thick summit]

No, thanks! I prefer to play a fun game

[hidden pilot]

womp

[torn void]

On the issue of defending yourself, I'll change that, besides, it's not the main point of what I said just now.

[thick summit]

I don't think you realise that the game can't know if you're defending yourself or attacking something

[torn void]

We have logic for this, I'm thinking of one that affects someone who is compulsively killing and that doesn't affect someone who is defending themselves.

[thick summit]

How would you code it though

[hidden pilot]

Body debuffs for herbis is one of the worst ideas in the history of bad ideas in this game's community

[thick summit]

^

[hidden pilot]

You cannot make it work

[torn void]

And you didn't even say why.

[torn void]

Coding won't be a problem I think

[hidden pilot]

Because there's no way to make it not abusable

[thick summit]

It would be. How would you make it work if the game doesn't know if you're attacking or defending yourself

[hidden pilot]

^

[limber hull]

me me when the pack of omniraptors i killed to NOT DIE debuffs me for the crime of self-defence, allowing the remaining raptors to murder me

[hidden pilot]

mmmhm

[torn void]

It would be so difficult to abuse that it wouldn't even be worth it.

[hidden pilot]

it wouldnt be

[limber hull]

fool that i was to assume self defence as an option

[hidden pilot]

it REALLY wouldnt be difficult to abuse

[torn void]

No, would not
You are just assuming things and saying others without logic or arguments.

[hidden pilot]

It would though. If you're being attacked by a group of things, and you kill one, being debuffed for your own success mid-fight is HORRIBLE game design

[torn void]

I alredy Said im gonna change it
Its not a single enemy too

[hidden pilot]

not gonna help. Say you kill half the pack, but they still pursue. What are you going to do? You've succeeded in killing multiple, yet you are again punished for defending yourself

[torn void]

Man

[hidden pilot]

man indeed

[torn void]

Ok, I won't debate anymore because you didn't even read what I said, I'm trying to find a way to get around this in defensive situations.

And this situation has already been repeated about 10 times.

[hidden pilot]

i did read it though, just because someone still disagrees dosnt mean they didnt read

good day, strange little man

[torn void]

I acknowledged that this is a problem and said that I will change the suggestion to find a way to get around this problem and only affect kosers, so you repeat the same argument about the same problem that i alredy recognized as a problem😭😭

[woeful latch]

okay, you got surrounded by carnivores and you’re hiding on a rock and there’s stegosaurus body next to you, should you get a debuff?

you’re nesting and you got jumped by a cera, you killed it but the body is right next to your nest, should you get a debuff?

there’s a patrol zone with dead rex, should you get a debuff because you’re there to eat?

[hidden pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-patrick-star-mmm-cheesy-cheese-gif-19257097

[woeful latch]

@desert arch are you proud of yourself?

[torn void]

1. Carnivores should stop attacking you because they already have a body

2. Makes sense, I'll think of a change for that

3. Makes sense too
   I'm going to make changes with nests and escenssial mechanics, a debuff for koser carnivores and a change for koser herbivores

[woeful latch]

you’re not him btw, can’t use this gif and be taken seriously

[desert arch]

It spreads🥹

[woeful latch]

WDYM they SHOULD stop? LOL

this is getting wild

are you going to personally dm them and ask them to stop hunting you just because they got body? lol

[torn void]

Get a debuff maybe

[desert arch]

Should =/= will

Just sayin

[woeful latch]

only makes sense when you’re sending it tho, the rest are trying to be you, but they’re not HIM

[woeful latch]

yeah exactly

[desert arch]

99% of player will still kill, even if they dont have to, killing is fun after all

[woeful latch]

i’d say instead of asking for debuffs just get skill and kill all the kosers, be cool

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/yahia-potato-dance-gif-16830821213809257852

[woeful latch]

👹

[torn void]

This will always be a problem, I can apply 1000 debuffs and it will still happen, however, I believe that a punishment would demotivate players from doing this, which is also why people don't jump off hills commonly.

[desert arch]

If someone feels KoSers are that much of a detriment to their gameplay, there are many unofficial servers that have rules to prevent it

[desert arch]

But why ruin the only fun aspect of the game? What else can substitude pvp in terms of fun?

[woeful latch]

your punishment is giving debuffs to the dino for killing and that’s ridiculous

[torn void]

More mechanics with the herd

[normal shuttle]

@torn void #general-feedback message LMAO, first point is just buffing megapacks or further reinforcing juvenile and fresh spawns in a pack as cannon fodder

And honestly you are completely ignoring how hostile herbivores can be despite being too stupid to not be as efficient killing.

[desert arch]

Solo players exist, not everyone wants to be in a cuddle puddle herd

[woeful latch]

yeah…

[normal shuttle]

Also body camping

I sure would love an infection or being forced to change nest because a fresh spawn troodon decided to die nearby

[woeful latch]

solo gaming is the best imo👹

-# (i have no friends🥺)

[normal shuttle]

Same

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-small-pet-silly-alone-lonely-gif-4734322154604199486

[woeful latch]

👽

[woeful latch]

😭😭😭

[normal shuttle]

Also trying to further force herding behavior on herbis

[torn void]

I've never seen a herbivore alone

[normal shuttle]

Eat grass and die ig

[woeful latch]

i always play alone

[normal shuttle]

You need to play for more than a few hours then

[woeful latch]

and i kill all the mixpackers and kosers i see

[torn void]

More than 100 in evrima seens to be enough😭😭

[woeful latch]

to the point where i become the KOS player lol

[desert arch]

Anecdotal fallacy. The fact you didnt see one yet, doesnt mean they dont exist.

[woeful latch]

well apparently it’s not

[torn void]

It may exist, but it exists in small quantities.

Ofc It does exist

[desert arch]

Probably, but that doesnt mean you should give a middle finger to them and ruin their playstyle

[normal shuttle]

Then put aside your confirmation bias or don’t go into a hotspot only where herbis gotta put up with cera megapacks somehow

Lone herbivores are just as common if not more than carnivores

[normal shuttle]

The entire herbivore playerbase is small

[woeful latch]

the thing is, at least on officials it’s usually 3 to 1 carnivores compared to herbivores

[normal shuttle]

Yup

[desert arch]

Eh tbf your average herbivore is more than double the size of your average carni

[woeful latch]

even on community servers that reward players for playing herbivores while also having meta mutations removed even then it’s 2:1

[frank tapir]

average herbivore that gets played

[woeful latch]

yes, but my point is theres a lot of solo herbivores, i’d say the majority are solo

[normal shuttle]

This whole feedback man

Carnivore kills everything on sight and guards bodies just for the fun of it ✅

Herbivore kills everything on sight and guards bodies just for the fun of it ❌ ❌ ❌

Only carnivores are allowed to be badass and aggressive apparently

[woeful latch]

it’s just when they find each other they usually stay together just to not die

[normal shuttle]

You have to completely neuter your aggression and become a passive, defensive walking steak when you’re a herbivore

God forbid herbivores be any competent or aggressive to ambush others instead of being ambushed, or saving plants for themselves

[woeful latch]

eat grass and meow

[normal shuttle]

Fortunately, I can eat grass and not die because herbis are that cracked

Cry about it carni. The dibble will stomp you into the dirt once more if you come close

Ive had people crying in global at times saying very bad things about me all because I kick fresh spawn carnos to death as a galli or dryo

So…should I just let them grow and murder me an hour later?

[woeful latch]

real😎

[woeful latch]

gallis whole thing is killing juvies, it’s gallis niche lol

[normal shuttle]

Real

[lone kite]

yet Galli canot eat juvis

[normal shuttle]

It can prevent itself from getting eaten

So that’s something. A perfectly valid reason

[lone kite]

that doesnt make it its Neich its just a good Strat i do the same on Dryo

[normal shuttle]

In fact, far more valid than carnis other than deino killing for food when AI works since carno and cera can live off ai just fine

[lone kite]

killing juvi carnivores is just a good idea otherwise theyll eat u later

[normal shuttle]

Yup

[frank tapir]

maybe it should be able to open small bodies and eat the organs

[torn void]

I dont think so

[lone kite]

nah just let it swallow small enuf juvis hole

[frank tapir]

that's not very many

[lone kite]

still some

besides PT is much more of a juvi killer than galli

[torn void]

Hardly disagree
I commonly see a lone carni but barelly seen any lone herb

[normal shuttle]

Source?

We could probably hop on any server and head to a hotspot like south plains, just to find out how over half of the players there are ceras, omnis, herras and carnos.

[woeful latch]

maybe we’re playing different games

because i rarely see any herbivores

[normal shuttle]

Anecdotal evidence is not evidence. Both are players playing the isle and there’s no intrinsic reason as for why a herbivore will be in a group whereas carnis won’t

[lone kite]

this is because u dont go where solo herbivores hang places like swamp and riverdelta are good places to look

[normal shuttle]

And in fact it can be harder to find buddies as a Herbi because there are less than carnis across the whole community

[lone kite]

thats cause a good 70% of players are carnivores

[woeful latch]

last time i saw a baby teno was like 2 months ago LOL

[frank tapir]

I love growing in swamp as a herbi

[woeful latch]

yeah lol exactly

[torn void]

I see a lot of carnivores, however, I see both herbivores and they have become very popular on evrima (unlike legacy).

[lone kite]

same i grow my Dryos there

[normal shuttle]

Northern jungle, river delta, swamp, potentially highlands, sometimes west rail…

Herds mostly stick together in sp and to not get ripped apart by ceras

[normal shuttle]

Because for once all playables are unique and you have a reason to play them

[lone kite]

i would cross highlands and west rail off that list bro

[normal shuttle]

Well maybe, same actually

[frank tapir]

I grew a dibble there recently, and it's fun to roam and scavenge as a cera

[torn void]

Carnivores in a group need to share resources, when I play herbivore it is in a pack or even with a friend, as a carnivore like Carnotaurus (my main) I play mostly alone.

[lone kite]

but yeah Carnivores starving isnt a falt of the herbi's its a falt of the Carni's as theres just to many and not enuf herbivores to go around

[woeful latch]

with this amount of ai around… no, you don’t have to share anything

maybe only the lipids since it’s hard to get them as carno lol

[lone kite]

were dinosaurs not comunists XD

[woeful latch]

real

[normal shuttle]

You absolutely need to share resources as a herbivore too. Especially when they are large. It’s just that food is easier to get

But oh boy, if you are something like a dibble, stego or maia, you really have to kill other herbis in order to get enough food for you and a friend or two at best

[woeful latch]

yeah, one maia eats half of the pz

not even gonna mention the trike…

[normal shuttle]

Play stego with a friend and you will quickly realize how big a problem it is to keep yourself above 120% diet with a herd nearby

[lone kite]

yeah plant food values need to be increased for the larger herbivores

[normal shuttle]

And I like that actually

Makes herbis actually compete and fight each other instead of cuddling together

[woeful latch]

yeah

[normal shuttle]

I hate herbivore (mix)herding and I love herbis and omnivs

To me a cera mixpacking with a deino is as dirty as a teno hiding behind a stego when I want to kill it

[lone kite]

yeah ive had times as Dryo where weve had to chase off larger herbis cause they were 2 fat

[woeful latch]

i will love this

[normal shuttle]

I play galli and pachy a lot

And I always destroy the juvenile dibbles and stegos I come across

Even if they’re in a herd when it splits up

Because I want MY agaves/papayas/mountain ash (rare depending on your biome)

[desert arch]

So insanely based

[lone kite]

honestly the smaller herbis mixherding is fine (like tenno and pachy since dieing to that is a skill issue) or Dryo with litterally anyother herbi

[torn void]

I have to agree on the second point, however, only in cases where there is very little food.

[frank tapir]

to be fair, I think the pachys had it handled

[desert arch]

Mixherding is just as bad, if not worse than mixpacking because herbivores dont need to worry about food at all

[woeful latch]

well i didn’t fight the carno at all as you can see, i don’t kill carnos usually

i kicked it and 2 called LOL it just ran to the pachys after

[lone kite]

depending on the dinos mais and stegos cannot mix herd without worrying about food since they fat AF

[normal shuttle]

What part of the first point makes you disagree? Herbivores do need to share resources if they’re together

[torn void]

I will take the problems mentioned and make a second suggestion, the second suggestion will be more elaborate and the debuffs will be smaller so that the person still has freedom of choice, however, without encouraging actions like that

[desert arch]

grazing:

[lone kite]

which will weaken you

[torn void]

No
I only specified the second point because it was more controversial in my opinion, I didn't think I had to specify the first one.
Since its common sense tho

[desert arch]

diet debuffs arent a thing, so not really

Having more, and stronger pack members is way more worth than giving yourself +15% health regen and +10% stam regen

[normal shuttle]

I misinterpreted then

[woeful latch]

i disagree, herbivores are ALWAYS the minority and i would rather defend it so i can have a friendly dino around then i will let it get killed, it just makes sense.

but carnivores mixpacking is lame and should be a federal crime

[lone kite]

yeah honestly bring back diet debuffs for herbis just make them not crippling

[desert arch]

please dear god

[lone kite]

like a 10% dmg debuff at most and dont touch my HP or i stab u🗡️

[woeful latch]

yes, that would be good, nerfing grazing without nerfing grazing

[normal shuttle]

And when I try to kill the teno as a herbivore or galli

I hate those players. Just crutching on hiding behind their giant dinosaur from another species

Because they would get slammed 1v1

They’re all sh*tpackers

[normal shuttle]

That would be good to force them into killing each other over diets or…you know, leaving one patrol and moving to another or a migration

[frank tapir]

make them happen gradually, rather than just suddenly being incredibly debuffed

[lone kite]

ok tho here me out nerf the tail swing on stego but let it eat and charge its tail

[woeful latch]

hm.. i don’t like the damage part.. i think what we can have instead is giving better diet buffs.

like perfect diet for galli is everything, you NEED IT and i will never choose a giant herd over cool speed buff, other animals can get something too, but not combat related ofc.

like deino can get more time under the water with the perfect diet, or troodon can get larger pack limit, teno could get better swimming speed and etc

[normal shuttle]

It is the exact same. If you don’t want to get ganged up on by a million carnis then don’t stay in places they frequent. But mixherding is the same as mixpacking and is lame and unfair. Just a crutch

[woeful latch]

so my idea is make every dino even more unique and better if it has perfect diet and that way majority of megaherders will stop to just be unique and cool

because if they’re in a large herd they will not get enough nutrient to get the perfect diet

[lone kite]

except smaller dinos cause u cant stop me from nesting in 30 dryos to go take over SP

[lilac bolt]

does this also apply for something like a hypsi or a dryo or is it more things that can already protect themselves?

[woeful latch]

LMAO

[normal shuttle]

Strictly speaking, it should apply as well, but a hypsi won’t really protect a juvenile stego whereas a fg dibble really is a problem

[woeful latch]

i still disagree, mixherd makes sense for a lot of players, because playing herbivore is usually a hardcore mode, especially for the new players, they need to stay together to survive.

avoiding hotspots doesn’t help, i legit got jumped by 20 members omni mega pack the other day and i was at the NL, it’s absolutely not a hotspot

[lone kite]

id say no but honestly Dryo should have its burrow already (i mean seriously its been 5 years since dryos evrima release) so a full power dryo wouldnt need to hide behind larger dinos

and yes ik it doesnt it bothers me greatly

[woeful latch]

if i see a dibble getting jumped by 4 ceras i will totally join and murder those ceras, i want a herbivore friend around, it can help me in the future, because i may get jumped by 4 ceras myself in 10 minutes

maybe i wouldn’t if herbivores weren’t so rare, but they are, sadly

[frank tapir]

it'll be interesting to see what the servers'll look like once rex releases

[woeful latch]

the current small carnivores are more than capable of hunting the current herbivore roster, with the rex and allo expect… 0 people play as herbivores LOL

[normal shuttle]

@bitter sandal the only thing I feel like you are really missing is a proper tutorial to learn the basic mechanics and skills. Even when fish does not spawn, you are very much an omnivore and can live off plants (and there is a very good and expansive spawn of edible ones right next to that pond) until you are capable of swallowing frogs or foraging for crabs.

[woeful latch]

50% rexes 50% allos lol

[bitter sandal]

plants didnt spanw either forgot to put that in.

[lone kite]

good news i will never not play Dryo

[normal shuttle]

That is literally impossible

There’s ALWAYS food

Always plants there

[bitter sandal]

not today there wasnt. idk what to tell you man plants nor fish where spawning.

[normal shuttle]

It is impossible that they just ran out because plants are scripted to spawn in from the very moment the server is up again after a restart and periodically regen

[frank tapir]

you can hang out with all the ai dryos

[bitter sandal]

well unless the smelling function broke something somewhere was busted

[normal shuttle]

You just need to move a little northwest from the pond and there’s an area with literal tens of plants sitting around

In that jungle right there

[bitter sandal]

went there

[normal shuttle]

Or maybe you were smelling from the pond instead of going deeper, acknowledging beipi’s scent range is actually very short

[bitter sandal]

almost made it to WA

[normal shuttle]

What

[lone kite]

screw skynet behold Dryonet

[normal shuttle]

Where were you even going?

[bitter sandal]

looking for food

[normal shuttle]

😭 there’s no way not a single edible plant spawned there bruh

You somehow fumbled but I guess that is impossible because F me if I say skill issue or even suggest that something could have been done better

[bitter sandal]

stuff like what i just experienced doesnt happen often... but just often enough to get mad at it.

[normal shuttle]

But it just reeks of that

[supple spoke]

as beipi you can almost always find crabs on the floor of whatever water body youre at

[bitter sandal]

looked for those too

[normal shuttle]

Even then you cannot swallow them until 29%

But bruh, plants. The damn plants

[supple spoke]

were u latched onto the floor?

[supple spoke]

cant you carry them at basically any weight tho?

[normal shuttle]

I think you fumbled

[normal shuttle]

Yes but can’t swallow or eat them straight up unlike fish

Same goes for frogs

[bitter sandal]

latched unlatched in water out of water up the mountain down the mountain could not find food

[supple spoke]

oh i wasnt aware you couldnt chew those mfs

[wooden agate]

you can chew frogs/fish as beipi now

[normal shuttle]

You somehow did something because never in my life have I ever heard of patrol zones literally not spawning plants

[normal shuttle]

You can? HT?

[bitter sandal]

frogs can also get you stuck as i tried to eat em 5 times and had to hard log 5 times

[wooden agate]

ive done it every time ive played beipi lately

the little claws go into the ground

[wooden agate]

nope, evriminininaina

[normal shuttle]

Damn

I am an old schooler then

[wooden agate]

i specifcially remember trying to pick up a frog and being confused why i couldnt, and then holding E and going :0

[normal shuttle]

But seriously, that’s just unheard of. And I play mostly things that can eat plants

[wooden agate]

granted i was freshie so thats why i couldnt pick the lil thing up

[normal shuttle]

I knew about diets not appearing and bugging but you can eat the plants if you really need too

[bitter sandal]

idk. every mechanic felt less broken on spiro or legacy even than it is now

[normal shuttle]

[wooden agate]

thats because legacy didnt have mechanics

[normal shuttle]

^^^

[wooden agate]

hard to be broken when you dont exist lol

[normal shuttle]

Legacy had none and spiro significantly less complexity than now

[supple spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-aware-twitch-forsen-emote-gif-25354609

[bitter sandal]

ik. it was honestly better at this point

[wooden agate]

i just realized how depressing this sounds lol

[normal shuttle]

Go back to legacy then

[wooden agate]

i too enjoyed ass eating simulator

[normal shuttle]

I enjoyed tail riding combat

[wooden agate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/911931914737299496/LegacyInANutshell.gif

[normal shuttle]

So skillful and interesting

[wooden agate]

peak gameplay 🔥

[bitter sandal]

better to eat ass than to get ass beat by mechanice imo

[normal shuttle]

I am sorry if this comes off as too unkind

[bitter sandal]

nah go ahead

[normal shuttle]

But you beat your own ass with that, not the game’s fault 😭

I am telling you

[wooden agate]

getting your ass beat by something simply because it could turn better was infinitely better, yeah

[normal shuttle]

It is literally impossible that there was NOTHING to eat at all in that patrol

[supple spoke]

nothing is impossible tbf

murphy's law

[bitter sandal]

well im just letting yall know it can happen. not often again but its happened enough for me to notice it.

[bitter sandal]

call me murphy's alarm

[normal shuttle]

It sounds extremely unlikely when you are the first person I ever hear saying that and I read feedback channels daily, while I myself and my friend group all have +4000 hours combined on evrima

So pointing it out as some glaring general flaw of the game is rather shaky

There must be something

Something you can do about it

Or that you are missing

[bitter sandal]

what can i do to make food spawn? or if it has spawned and ive been walking around sniffing for it and it doesnt show up?

[supple spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-gif-26454802

[bitter sandal]

idk what else to say man. i spawned and the food didnt

[bitter sandal]

XD

[wooden agate]

average herrera gameplay

[bitter sandal]

did that for about an hr before getting swamp spawn. yet again couldnt find schooling fish. found a crab but that gave me fatal error. beelind it for SP where i saw more fish in one spot than i have ever seen.

[normal shuttle]

POV: you spawned in east plains

[bitter sandal]

XD

call it my luck or what ever its just been a sh*ty experience with food spawns for me whenever i play beipi

[bronze matrix]

the food spawning mechanic is extremely forgiving and easy to meta game:

• when you don't have a patrol zone assigned it unlocks at the nearest concentration of non-nutrient plants
• when it unlocks it unlocks the whole biom not the zone. so if you have trouble finding food at a patrol zone in highlands, you can just search the whole highlands there should be nutritious food anywhere
• if you are in a herd, dissolve and reform the herd to have the patrol zone dissapear which then you go back to the first point

basically you dont even have to move as a herbivore to max out your diet

[bitter sandal]

but galee ive probably spent half my time on beipi jumping off cliffs or starving. not counting when i didnt know how to play or didnt know where to look for food.

[bronze matrix]

and if you are not in a herd just wait for a while in a place where non nutritious plants are
patrol zones refresh after some time on their own

[bitter sandal]

i do that alot as teno or maia.

idk at this point I'm just thinking I keep running into a rare bug or there's something wrong client side for me (which shouldn't lead to these things happening)

[bronze matrix]

ah and if its about ai like schooling fish or crabs or anything
in my experience they are not linked to zones but more linked to multiple players being around
but I'm not really that confident about that info

[normal shuttle]

Rise, Mike

@bronze matrix

[bronze matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-crazy-pepe-silvia-gif-27373442

me the last few weeks figuring out how patrol zones work

it's a conspiracy guys to keep the herbivores fed so we don't complain
I'm telling you

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message @ancient sphinx the bleed is essential to ensure that the opponent dosent book it after getting hit and surviving the initial ambush, once the element of suprise is gone, herreras effectiveness is mostly diminished and it has no follow up capabillities to capitalize on the situation

[indigo gulch]

^ that tbh

[bronze matrix]

maybe a bad example but when I play dibble and a herrera pounces me I just keep troting
they can't keep up usually

[dawn hound]

why are there two layers of water

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message "make the apex super easy to grow" is what im hearing

oh sorry idk why that was a reply

[fickle cave]

"make the sub-apex not starve to death and let them move around the map" is what I actually said

[wooden agate]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-wrong-answer-homer-red-button-gif-10856212

because what youre actually asking for is what deino had in the past, and then some

you know

when there were mega packs of deinos

[fickle cave]

Good on you for seeing you are wrong. have a good day

[wooden agate]

have the day you deserve

[fickle cave]

A great day 🥳

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message deino surviving in one corner of the map eating schooling fish and keeping perfect diet is crazy. Also boar, deer and turtles lmao. More AI than carno or cera but for an 8 ton apex this time who also has a base 90 minute hunger drain time

Ideas to improve deino life: rework the whole thing and make it not stink

[wooden agate]

but dont you see? they wont starve now! they'll be having their hand held by glorious AI

it will be legacy apexes all over again, and everyone LOVED that as we all remember

[normal shuttle]

You are totally right

[wooden agate]

growing in a corner of the map for 6 hours waiting to hear an ava 2 call. that was really engaging gameplay

[normal shuttle]

And if you don’t agree you are a rampant deino hater

[wooden agate]

or sometimes you even had variety... with a taco or oro call. that was when things got truly interesting

[normal shuttle]

Which to be fair, I am

But I hate deino because it sucks ass design wise, not because I die to it often

[wooden agate]

im excited for deino kit adjustment

[normal shuttle]

Same

Although I prefer ptera rework but deino really needs it to not be a miserable experience for everyone

Getting 5% hunger and also carbs on a schooling fish you just caught is crazy

That is actually wild seriously

It’s like if stego could fill 10% of its stomach with one pumpkin

Deino would be so easy to maintain if so

8 ton creature getting 30% hunger filled from a 90kg elite fish

What’s next?

Deino being able to sustain 3 generations of its own with one fg stego?

#general-feedback message

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-avengers-assemble-avengers-endgame-captain-america-gif-23247411

Herbivore gang ^

[thick summit]

Avengers...downvote

[normal shuttle]

“HERBIVORES IN NATURE ARE NOT HOSTILE THIS SHOULD BE PUNISHED!!!!”

Meanwhile the game and its developers:

Completely accepting this is normal

And also balancing out herbis based on also other herbi matchups, not just carnivores

[thick summit]

Wasn't pachy shown to bully other animals as well?

Like, it attacked a kentro

[normal shuttle]

Yup, in the concept, also in a trailer a galli kicks a hypsi

And in another concept a shant kicks a galli

[thick summit]

So it's designed to KOS

[normal shuttle]

Because OBVIOUSLY whether or not you can eat someone isn’t the only reason you can have to attack others

Including other plant eaters

[thick summit]

I mean hippos attack stuff for fun as well

[normal shuttle]

Or because they’re anywhere close or they’re making noise

They don’t like that and immediately run on to break up any fight or kill that thing that is in THEIR water

And this territory thing applies to other herbivores as well

Such as horses or moose

[urban flax]

Hippos attack things they see as potential threats
They have a very broad definition of what's a "potential threat"

[thick summit]

if it moves it's a potential threat

[golden horizon]

#general-feedback message would make omni less painful to play with randoms

[pliant elm]

even when playing with good players this can happen, mainly because the pounce hitbox is very large and the desync

[supple spoke]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1358469731157282816 or just make it so you can't accidentally pounce people in your group, & instead you bounce off and inflict some amount of damage and bleed. this would keep group play with randoms fluid, while still discouraging overpacking since you can still pin those that are not grouped with you.

this also makes it so mixpacked raptors cant pretend to be friends with you for hours then pounce you out of nowhere when their buddies arrive and give you a 5 second cutscene to the main menu.

[pliant elm]

This is not good, Omni and Troodon must have group coordination, not having this should give them a consequence. The only thing to do is to decrease the duration of the pin cancellation, it is currently too long

[supple spoke]

stamina cost and being damaged. both of those are consequences.

makes no sense that a raptor would sit there and claw their pack mate's eyes out for even a second tbh

im not a fan of the pin mechanic in general though tbh. so perhaps im bias.

[golden horizon]

#videos-and-streams message I've just totally given up on omni because of its buggy pounce, and moved on to play dilo, which is much easier to grow and is way stronger since they fixed the clones

U know a playable is in a bad spot, when it's main ability does more harm than good

[supple spoke]

^^ this

[golden horizon]

It's like the game can't decide who i pounced xD

[thick summit]

sorry but omni is not in a bad spot

[golden horizon]

U must not play omni much, or just dont use pounce

[urban flax]

pachy ?

[thick summit]

the buggy pounce should get fixed but saying omni is in a bad spot is wild

[thick summit]

I play it quite a lot actually

[supple spoke]

its pounce is completely unfair to anything same sized or smaller than it, and is a hazard to the user in most other scenarios. it is the most inconsistent playable in the game tbh

[thick summit]

its pounce is unfair to everything

you're being forced to use your terrain or die

[supple spoke]

just not true

[thick summit]

it is true

[supple spoke]

ok, i disagree

[golden horizon]

It has been buggy since release, so yes its in a bad spot

[thick summit]

omni shreds through dilo's health

and it's not meant to solo dilos that easily

[supple spoke]

says who? and it isn't easily

[thick summit]

if you think omni sucks you either use it wrong or pounce for too long

[supple spoke]

1 omni can do at MOST 900 dmg with dmg pounce if it compeltely depletes its stamina bar to 0

[golden horizon]

Omni has no chance against an equal skilled dilo

[supple spoke]

^^

[thick summit]

1000*

[supple spoke]

its not 1000

[thick summit]

if the dilo uses its terrain it wins most of the time

[thick summit]

it is

[supple spoke]

if dilo is same skill it wins

[golden horizon]

It wont do that much damage, since there are foliage and trees it can knock omni off everywhere

[indigo gulch]

still think it should be 1-2% at most. That's 5-10% in total since schooling fish come in 5 and with the inconsistency spawn that seems fine. Can downtune it a bit if the spawns get more consistent or there are more aquatics

[supple spoke]

it would in a picture perfect situation. i.e. your prey is afk and you have 100% stamina lmao. so... never.

[golden horizon]

If a dilo runs through a plant with an omni latched on, it will get knocked off and stunned for atleast 3 seconds which is in most cases is a death sentence

[golden horizon]

fr xD

[indigo gulch]

I still say put Schooling fish as carbs on juvi deino diet, since juvi deino can't get elite fish until way later (you will have lost at least 1 to 2 full stomachs before you can unless you run efficient) and frogs barely exist. Cooking the fish is also very dangerous as anything can smell it and can come over for an easy meal.

[golden horizon]

The only times i've managed to get an almost full pounce, is when they try to buck me off

[indigo gulch]

why are you trying to full pounce a dilo anyways

[supple spoke]

thats our point, you never would

especially in a 1v1

[indigo gulch]

yeah cuse you'll die to the clones afterwards due to 0 stam

[supple spoke]

precisely

[indigo gulch]

also regarding the pinning your packmate, I think that's part of the risk/reward tbh

not that I haven't had COUNTLESS times where I pounced a friendly that was nowhere near my destination

[supple spoke]

i think it is unnecessarily clunky, is all. perhaps if the pounce and pin werent so buggy, i wouldn't feel the need to suggest it.

[indigo gulch]

but I think that's more a hitbox issue

wait let me see if I can find the clip

[golden horizon]

It's because the pounce prioritize pinning smaller dinos over pouncing bigger ones

[thick summit]

you're pouncing for too long

[golden horizon]

U can also see in the clip I posted, where i wanted to pounce the cera, but the game was like "hey, there is an omni nearby that we can pin instead, lets do that"

[thick summit]

yeah that's the desync issue

it screws squishy things over

[indigo gulch]

pouncing your full stam bar only works if you can guarantee the death of the opponent

and even then, third party does exist

like, I'm never ever gonna 100% pounce a cera. That's gonna get me killed x)

[golden horizon]

If im in a big pack i just pounce till 25%, but if we are few, i pounce till around 60%

[indigo gulch]

not how I wanted taht to work xD

think that works

I pounced when I was at the tail

game was like nuh uh

this was my friend's POV and he is a bit laggy, but on my screen he was behind me T_T

but hey, at least I died and not my friend

[golden horizon]

Were you aiming for the tail, or the central mass of the carno?
Whenever i pounce, I always try to aim for the legs, cause the tail has no pounce slots

Also huge respect for your friend, i couldnt stand playing under 30 fps 💀

[indigo gulch]

central mass. Tail is too inconsistent

[indigo gulch]

I'll let him know lol xD

[terse hornet]

@oak belfry that's what #evrima-na #evrima-eu and the rest of the server chat channels are for

[dawn hound]

#general-feedback message i messed up yall

i ment to say that herreras shouldnt be able to kill each other by accident when jumping from one centimeter height, but instead it will knock them out

since i was below my friend on a tree, but i had my head at his torso, and when he jumped i died immidiately

[gentle rampart]

#general-feedback message
<@&933486433342222376> <@&579345586965446657>

[mystic basalt]

Im genuinely curious as to why some people think its fun to aimlessly wander around sanctuary looking for mushrooms, when you can smell every other plant that exists in the game, even those not on your diet? Why is this an asset to the game?

[woeful latch]

i think the reason for devs not to make shrooms sniffable is so juvies spend more time in the sanctuary, wondering around, actually searching

because it would be too cheesy if we could smell the plant that gives all 3 diets, BUT i want it to glow in the dark instead, because some herbivores have awful nightvision and it’s legit impossible to find shrooms during night

[mystic basalt]

XD That is actually what prompted me to post this, i wandered a whole night in sanct, couldnt find a single shrooomy. by the time it was bright enough out to find some, i got like 3 mouthfuls then started getting stung to get out. Ok, yes, glowing would be good, better at least than how it is now. But, id still like to be able to smell them. Thanks for the point/idea!

[hidden pilot]

What the hell is this audio

[desert arch]

I wont send it again but you already know

[woeful latch]

jesus christ

[bronze matrix]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1358512617705963680 @wheat sedge deino is a difficult playable to find food with. Did you also have the same difficulties with other playables?

[normal shuttle]

too much

way too much

~0.5% and maybe we're onto something

it shouldnt get much at all from schooling fish

[indigo gulch]

It’s already 0.5

Pretty sure

[normal shuttle]

is it for a fg? no way

[indigo gulch]

Ye

[golden horizon]

#general-feedback message you're an apex, u're not supposed to live off of just AI

[normal shuttle]

because elite fish are like 4-5%?

[indigo gulch]

Ye

Schooling gives not even a %

[indigo gulch]

The other part of the feedback is true tho

Very random getting something if you’re in a river

[golden horizon]

What do you mean by a random chance of getting something?

Is there like a dice roll or something ?

[indigo gulch]

Yeah it’s called the anti clip system

That and of course guaranteed safe spots

[golden horizon]

If you mean wether if something is comming to drink from the river, its not a random chance, it depends on multiple things like location, server pop etc.

[golden horizon]

Not everbody is using the safe spots, and if there was no safespots, deinos would have it too easy and didnt have to kill eachother

They are cannibals for a reason

With saltwater mutation, you can even get to places like west access and west rail where there are no safe spots

[indigo gulch]

90% of the people are tho

Also

Most of the time you eat other deinos

[golden horizon]

we went from 50/50 to 90/10 ?

[indigo gulch]

No, that was a different guy and a different topic

I haven’t seen a lot of people that don’t use a safe drinking spot

[unreal ridge]

@sonic tangle shant will be about 18 tons if we are going off legacy

[golden horizon]

Like i said it depends on multiple factors like location, server pop, pz, mz etc.

locations like west rail access 0% of players can use safe drinking spots

[indigo gulch]

I think west rail access is one of the few spaces that doesn’t have a guaranteed safe spot

But it is very shallow so I usually just walk around to look for a deino

[golden horizon]

Its not shallow at west rail, you cant see if a deino is hiding in that pond

[indigo gulch]

West access, mb

[sonic tangle]

I just want a realistic Shant

[indigo gulch]

West rail has a safe spot tho

[golden horizon]

where ?

[unreal ridge]

yeah shant will be able to rival the sauropods

[indigo gulch]

Behind the log

[golden horizon]

Thats not a safe spot, deino can get you if you dont have fast reaction

[indigo gulch]

It’s very shallow so even if you grab them and don’t oneshot them, the clipping system will let them go

[golden horizon]

I wish the clipping system helped me everytime i got grapped by a deino there xD

[covert tiger]

@tulip pasture deino or any other apex isn't meant to live off ai
With that said, I agree it's too opportunistic of a creature to survive on just players
The devs said it's getting a kid adjustment at some point this year I believe, so maybe that'll help fix things
Also the introduction of larger species means more food rather than just tiny meals that barely fill you

[indigo gulch]

I’ve had multiple times that I grabbed them but the game just let them go because the model would have clipped undermap

[golden horizon]

Never had this happen to me before

They usually just drown me

[indigo gulch]

Well it doesn’t work when you get onetapped and it’s still a random chance

Unlucky is all I can say to that bro

[covert tiger]

The key is to not turn quickly after grabbing
Just stay still after grabbing for a couple secs, walk forwards around the log, slowly turn back into the water

[indigo gulch]

I’ve tried that

But it let go as I grabbed the dibble

(Yes I held the button)

Look, regardless, I don’t think it should be living of AI either, but currently it lacks any interaction unless it goes to hotspot lakes. Maybe it will get better when migration zones get fixed because I used to see tenos in the migration zone I was but now it’s as dead as a door

Again, I would personally just add schooling fish on JUVI deino diet to make up for elite fish killing you and frogs being rare af

[supple spoke]

anti-deino propaganda: any time you drink anywhere always hold sprint + a direction while you do it and just let go of E if you see a deino, the rest takes care of itself.

[wheat sedge]

@bronze matrix Yes, I've actually had more success with the deino than others. I had a cera run where I couldn't find anything at all, even other players kills when it's full pop, I know people are eating, and cera has best scent in game. There just isn't enough ai food spawns in general. Makes the map seem large and empty

[wheat sedge]

I had a herra run as well where I probably traveled at least 50 miles before dying of starvation

[lucid mauve]

How is deino an apex? If it cant grab it, its more or less useless. All apexes will either kill it or just walk away. AI is one thing,but the food you get from even a small dibble gives way to much food.

[bronze matrix]

in my experience (but I could be wrong here)
ai tends to spawn near multiple players
so highlands, south plains, north lake, west rail access and west access are good points to look for ai

also between the coast and south swamp are usually some boar and deer

[wheat sedge]

Yeah I got lucky and found a deer swimming across the water, screen was full red lol

[lucid mauve]

Run to the beach, then suddently it pukes out turtles all over the place

[bronze matrix]

yeah the beach near west rail access where the one sanctuary is, is usually full of turtles and crabs

[lucid mauve]

Yea, the AI spawn is so strange. Like spread it out, and dont have them always at the same places lol

Like this is how these places looks

[bronze matrix]

but dont get too frustrated
when I started out I died all the time due to starvation
but when you play enough you get more map knowledge which helps you find ai

[lucid mauve]

But should AI spawn at the same places? Or more random. Not sure if its healthy if i spawn in and just do my route every time

[bronze matrix]

imo AI should spawn at places where players are but not where there is a high player concentration
and these places should be somewhat random but respect the biom preferences of the ai

[lucid mauve]

Yea good points, would be bad if where hotspots is also is alot of AI

[wheat sedge]

Yes I think if they spread out the spawns more it would stop people from just staying in the same locations all the time and give an incentive to people trying tocl carve out a spot in a location that isn't generally used

[bronze matrix]

what i can really recommend and what I did recently as well is to play Pteranodon and to observe where AI tends to spawn

[lilac bolt]

it weighs 8 tons and can one shot most of the roster and is considered to be one by the developers.

its just not a strong apex in terms of fighting

[normal shuttle]

and it is perfectly acceptable for an apex to not specialize in fighting other apexes

[lilac bolt]

yup

[normal shuttle]

doesn't have to stand a good chance against a rex to be an apex predator regardless when it can one tap stegos and potentially will be able to drown sub spinos, suchos or even acros

that is crazy strong offensive power

[lilac bolt]

yeah exactly its very strong just not in specifically fighting which is nice

[normal shuttle]

@scenic eagle as a local pteranodon enjoyer

1. Nope, it is not 10 minutes nor anywhere close to that. To go from 0 to 100% you need a little over 4 minutes of resting
2. You lose a lot if you fly up excessively because it is a pterosaur and not a bird, gliding and managing your altitude is your main flight method, and that allows you to comfortably cross over half of the map quickly or staying in the air for +15 minutes
3. All of the above doesn't really matter anyway because ptera is getting a rework VERY soon, with wind currents to allow for upward movement without wasting stamina and also being more efficient on land so you dont need to take off every time you want to move
4. You may be disregarding how absurdly lightweight pteranodon is compared to everything else, and on top of that it is not meant to have some weird eagle niche. Wait for quetz if you want to snatch things and fly away

[lucid mauve]

Yea its strong with grab, other then that its not much strong. And very limited. I know they have said its a apex and also some have said its not

[normal shuttle]

tbf deino being strong without grab would be very problematic

like when two people in a row suggested giving it FRACTURES and a stronger bite

[lucid mauve]

fracture sounds like pot balance, off. Have that on the deino there. Stronger bite, hell would need alot stronger then. Cus you prob just gonna get one bite then whatever you bit gonna dip

[olive bolt]

#general-feedback message

What do you think would be fair? Galli isnt a tank and theres no reason a near fully grown omni shouldn't be able to pin it

And you can outrun omnis, just run if you keep dying to getting pinned

[olive bolt]

Maybe a stronger bite but FRACTURES??

"Oh a deino hit me, wait i cant get away"

Especially with how quick deinos bite is

[grand flicker]

everytime i get swamp spawn as deino literally no food is found. Im currently in a hunting zone and have been for 15 mins, no a single ai has spawned haha. Anyone else have issues with swamp? or tips maybe

[unreal ridge]

The only way I could see this is if they meant the lunge

Like you know how if deino lunges something it can’t grab it does a little tear and shake then lets go

100% giving deino fractures is a terrible idea but like for large prey, what if deino could grab onto like legs and stuff start thrashing

Could still probably take damage so be careful who and or what you grab

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message

This deserves to be a copypasta

[wooden agate]

maiasauru need fix more damage harder skin like cow like real one Did got remove stompy stomp real one never Did IT hoof force biger then t rex foot atack to stunt breake Legs and remove to they stop be erbvore add beter way seee plant under night made nest tall to babys be safelike real one Did made famale ones biger then males all this i Ask for then i give maiasar Dino whit movie and i fos to be add for gamę on first place never get any thx noting

on a serious note, thank you for the copypasta

secondly, no

balance takes priority over IRL properties when it comes to these animals. deino fills a specific niche right now and needs help to further fill that niche, not a super buff

[unreal ridge]

I had a stroke trying to read it 😭

So they want

• armored deino
• deino death roll ability
• tail attack WITH leg break
• remove deino from deino’s diet
• bite force stronger than Rex
• the ability to sniff underwater
• underground nests (probably will happen)
• and to make females larger than the males

what kind of super soldier do you think deino is

Let me try and rewrite this hold on

[urban flax]

No I think they want the death roll removed

[unreal ridge]

Isn’t that literally just the shake animation?

Whatever

[urban flax]

It is

While technically, they're right, deino most likely couldn't do that because it was too heavy
It's not like it's immersion-breaking to have it

[unreal ridge]

Deinosuchus needs more health.
Give it harder skin, like an armadillo like the deinosuchus. Remove the death roll, the real deinosuchus couldn’t do that. Give it a bite force stronger than tyrannosaurus and a tail atack to stun attackers and break their legs. Remove deinosuchus’ cannibalistic tendencies and add a better way to see what you are scenting underwater. Deinosuchus should also take advantage of underground nests like the real deinosuchus or modern alligators. The female deinosuchus should also be larger than the male.(??? Untranslatable???) thanks for nothing

[unreal ridge]

Yeah I feel like that’s kinda the lowest thing on the totem pole even for deino

He upvoted his own suggestion lmao

[normal shuttle]

Lmao

[normal shuttle]

He was forced to play deinosuchus and this is what happened to him

[unreal ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/he-was-forced-to-gif-22184163

I would be mad if someone made be play deino too i can’t lie

deino is honestly the most boring playable at times because most of it is “oh he’s there, I will now starve”

[normal shuttle]

Not only boring

It is just Deinosuckus and it needs that rework badly

[unreal ridge]

How do we feel about cooperative deino

[normal shuttle]

For a long time it has been the most boring, artificially difficult, uninteresting, unfair, miserable and also oppressive playable in the game

[urban flax]

Deinosuchus manages to be both extremely boring and unfair for both itself and its prey

[unreal ridge]

“We’ll use the power of friendship!” Ahh rework

[normal shuttle]

It is a bad experience for everyone involved

And it has been like that FOR YEARS

Which is crazy to think about

[unreal ridge]

Yeah deino kind of sucks where it is especially balance wise
Because while I understand the 8 ton crocodile should kill me, why is he also like the most fragile creature in the game

[urban flax]

Yet it's the most played animal
Maybe that's why people hate on The Isle so much ?

They only play deino, get a terrible experience, and assume the entire game is like that

[unreal ridge]

Ong bro put down the deino and experience the majesty that is Herrera

[urban flax]

Wait
How is deino the most fragile creature in the game

[unreal ridge]

Nobody is forced to interact with you, it’s mostly all luck based

you die if you can’t get somewhere or nobody goes a certain path

[urban flax]

Oh you mean fragile in the way that it's hard to get food with it

[normal shuttle]

This may be a joke

[unreal ridge]

Yeah fragile in the way it’s very easy to fall down a slippery slope of starvation

[normal shuttle]

But it is very much true. So many people play deino for starters

Because gators are cool

But then this thing, a giant prehistoric gator, just sucks

[unreal ridge]

Okay first of all who goes to a dinosaur game and plays as a crocodile first

[normal shuttle]

And also it is a noob stomper lmao. It undeniably is a noob stomper which is a terrible design for an apex

[unreal ridge]

seriously they made herbivores like the easiest thing to survive as and nobody plays as them

Only the edge lord sweats

[unreal ridge]

I would much rather prefer if deino’s grab were a tug of war to wrangle larger prey into the water instead of PURELY focusing on the mid tier roster

[normal shuttle]

I am not an edge lord sweat…

[unreal ridge]

Neither am I but if you put a baby in front of me and I’m playing tenonto, I’m kicking it

I LOVE MAIASAURA!!!!!!!

The current problem with herbivores is they are easy to survive as, but not enjoyable enough to thrive as
A lot of the time I’ll see the migration zone change and just say “that mfer too far im not going”
And I feel like that thought resonates with a lot of people considering how once the MZ hits swamp nobody goes

[normal shuttle]

I love herbis and omnivores. I just find most carnis cringe

[unreal ridge]

I just love dinosaurs, I can’t stand when people get picky with what they play because they are all so unique

[normal shuttle]

Also I lean towards playing the minorities because no one uses them

[unreal ridge]

which is also why I hate making a creature more generalized instead of leaning into what makes it special
If you want a default carnivore add megalosaurus

[normal shuttle]

Like pachy although dibble and teno are mad fun

[unreal ridge]

I love dryo

troodon will forever have my heart though

[normal shuttle]

Anyways, saving this as a copypasta. 0101 code to remember and browse it

Dinosuco need fix more HP harder skin like amadilo like real one Did got remove death roll real one never Did IT bit force biger then t rex tail atack to stunt breake Legs and remove to they stop be canibals add beter way seee snif under Water made nest under ground to babys be safelike real one Did made famale ones biger then males all this i Ask for then i give croco Dino whit movie and i fos to be add for gamę on first place never get any thx noting

[unreal ridge]

make it into a gif of the guy writing and the paper lighting on fire

[normal shuttle]

Will try to do something about it

Suggesting fracture on a deino tail attack. Absolute cinema

[unreal ridge]

I hope Shant or para gets some sort of tail whack

Imagine you get hit by a Shant tail slap and it’s just instant concussion

[normal shuttle]

Hadrosaurs doing that would look more cursed than dryo

Also shant was shown kicking behind already in the concept art

[unreal ridge]

I mean that was kind of the large hadrosaur defense mechanism, maybe not the saurolophines but things like Edmontosaurus would’ve had very flexible yet powerful tail muscles

they figured the best way to not get mauled by Rex was to make him keep his distance

Constant face slaps

See how it gets really thin at the end

[normal shuttle]

They did?

[unreal ridge]

Shant has a much thicker tail so it wouldn’t work to the same extent, but Shant is also 18 tons

[normal shuttle]

Damn then, my bad. Thought dinosaur tails in general except for thyreophorans had rather rigid tails

[unreal ridge]

It’s kind of the opposite lol

Thyreophoreans had very rigid strung up tails

[normal shuttle]

Then how do they swing it

[unreal ridge]

Stego couldn’t sag its tail or else the muscles would strain so tightly it would snap

[unreal ridge]

I will get the musculature

See how many connections are in that tail? It’s like that one baki image with like infinite joints

Tail couldn’t really go up or down at the base since the muscles were so tightly strung for maximum power, the tip could move more freely for accurate jabs

ankylosaurus is WHOLE different story

Stego is a fencer, Anky is a guy with a baseball bat

[normal shuttle]

Well

Stego my beloved

[unreal ridge]

So basically anky’s tail was all the vertebrae fused together which connected to the spine where all the back and leg muscles tapered into it

Take your arm and completely straighten it, then whack it back and forth without moving your elbow or your wrist

That’s Anky

Cus they both did different things

Anky just had to sweep and hit the ankle

Stego had to hit testicles lmao

and we know stego specifically aimed for the inner thigh/center of gravity to cripple attackers out of pain rather than pure damage

But yeah, while most dinosaurs had tails for balance which they could manipulate and change very swiftly in any direction
Those with specialized tails for defense/offense had actually more restricted tail use

Going back to hadrosaurs, para also did have the tapering off tail more similar to edmonto

[normal shuttle]

I have this thing that I can’t shrug off

About a certain strain

[unreal ridge]

which

[normal shuttle]

Suggesting one that I have been thinking about, for a dinosaur with no mentioned strains, so basically a “pls add x” suggestion for something I might need to draw

A few days ago I was playing in a server with altered muts and reinforced tendons gave you a jump with no stam cost, meaning that as a Herrera you remain in the air for long enough to regen the little stamina you waste accelerating and you can run infinitely by hopping like a frog

So I was thinking about a strain to make this sort of official and my head thinks that the idea is good, for a tissoplastic herrersaurus with a smaller size and maybe slightly less speed and offensive power but with modified limbs like those of a jerboa, who can be a lot more stamina efficient by hopping around and being a more capable roamer, and also having a high skill cap and more potential with jumping pounces from hills or while chasing something

And I just can’t forget about it

[unreal ridge]

okay hold on I do have something of my own idea if I might try to add onto this

[normal shuttle]

Sure

Also obviously jumping just as high if not higher

[unreal ridge]

so I’m thinking since this is a tisso based all around jumping Herrera basically cut off everything to be the most agile jumper ever

I’d like to base it off a glass frog
They can slow their heart rate and go almost transparent since they can store their blood in their liver while focusing and hiding

[normal shuttle]

Oh

[unreal ridge]

very thin herrera you can see everything going on in there, but when he holds still on a tree he can focus himself and go clear

[normal shuttle]

So invisibility to get better ambushes and land pursuer potential with enhanced jumping?

I mean, it could be a cool additive

[unreal ridge]

Yeah pretty much

[normal shuttle]

Peak then

And yeah that could be a good tisso addition. Suits them pretty well

Camouflage I mean

Although I am not an expert in modeling and animating

But imagine having to make an animal that is semi transparent and has its organs inside lmao. Dunno if it would be hard to do

[wooden agate]

actually based

[unreal ridge]

If I was gonna do a tisso Herrera my personal pick is to do the classic blind tisso, uses echolocation to get from tree to tree and locate prey

Plus the glass frog

And you know how tissoplastics are always covered in spines and other sharp scales

Give it retractable claws that only come out when jumping, I sound crazy but hear me out

Instead of using the claws for climbing it has really rough curved scales on the pads of its feet and hands that can adequately grip tree bark thanks to herrera’s slightly lighter weight

The claws are longer thinner and sharper

Doing less raw damage but more bleed damage overall

[normal shuttle]

To me it would be the glass frog jerboa

To be a high skill cap endurance hunter

Also with the need of quick setups and ambushes to play efficiently

With a hunger drain too quick to stick too long in one spot

[unreal ridge]

How would you feel about a hypo Herrera being quadrupedal and breaking bones

[normal shuttle]

Bad

Only Carch can be quadrupedal. And honestly fracture is cringe on most quick moving creatures

[unreal ridge]

I envisioned hypo Herrera also having fish hooks/arrow barbs on its claws

Instead of doing the hit and run of a typical Herrera he stays on

[normal shuttle]

I envision tisso Herrera with a second pair of arms

[unreal ridge]

The more you struggle and the more you buck the more internal bleeding you do

if you do get him off he’s taking a chunk with him

What about a neurotonic Herrera

Echolocation?

[normal shuttle]

I doubt all carnis are getting all three strains

So if I had to choose I would prioritize tisso in the case of herra

And maybe then neuro for dilo and troodon in the current roster

[unreal ridge]

Doesn’t dryo have a hypo

Am I tweaking hold on

Nope I was tweaking, it was stego

Tisso stego

[normal shuttle]

Tisso stego looking fresh in that unofficial

Although let me show you

[unreal ridge]

It’s by tapwing 🤷‍♂️

But yeah still unofficial

[normal shuttle]

The true peak and magnificence that should 100000000000000000000% be added into the game. Do you agree or not? Only one valid answer

[unreal ridge]

My goat

[normal shuttle]

Hyper quetz my beloved

[unreal ridge]

It’s like Batman but as a flying reptile

[normal shuttle]

I only see his face, quad carch….

[thick ivy]

great idea

but the map changes isnt a need

[normal shuttle]

Deino living off schooling fish is crazy

Also getting more ai in its diet than carno or cera 😭 😭 😭

[thick ivy]

deino should get 2.5 per fish

bro deino now gets like 0.1

its impossible to survive in certain areas cause barely any fish spawn

and crocs eat boars and gazeles

which are similar to deers

[normal shuttle]

1% at best and we’re onto something

[wooden agate]

deino should not be sustainable purely on ai after 40ish%

[normal shuttle]

Yup

That’s like Rex living off boars and goats

[wooden agate]

(40% is only like 2ish tons on deino, its not as bad as it sounds)

[normal shuttle]

Stupid and unbalanced

Where’s the difficulty in having to find your own food or fighting for it when you can survive by attacking defenseless ai that doesn’t even run from you?

[wooden agate]

infact id argue that yeah, fish probably SHOULD be more common for juvie deinos. i dont think their challenge should come in the form of fresh spawn suffering from hunger, but moreso maintaining diet throughout its long growth and avoiding threats. the food should become something more worrying around 35%ish imo

but yah deino kit adjustment cant come soon enough

[normal shuttle]

Deino needs that rework and some tool to get around safe spots while also being fair for other players

But as it stands now, no change will be good

[thick ivy]

food changed

add boar or deer

[normal shuttle]

Nope

[thick ivy]

yes

[normal shuttle]

Just cook it if you’re small, that’s all

[thick ivy]

deino in river delta is a pain

so easy to starve

[normal shuttle]

Deino is pain anywhere

[thick ivy]

clearly dont play deino if u odnt agree

sp is the only spot where deinos have full stomachs

[heady geode]

How do you all envision Hypo Galli, I simply think it would mutate to apply bleed again!!! absolute monster it would be

[thick ivy]

other places are absolute missions to find food

[wooden agate]

the apex has a hard time maintaining its food

interesting

[normal shuttle]

I have grown deino to fg like 5 times already and I hate it. It’s so bad and lame and mind numbing, begging for some clueless player to go drink in south river just to get snatched and never again die the same way

It is so bad in every way

[heady geode]

have you ever grown one on an unofficial?

official deino, Never again, ong, too few people

[thick ivy]

i liek growing deino because its actually hard compared t0 the rest

[heady geode]

you cannot Deino right

[normal shuttle]

All of them were in unofficials lol

[heady geode]

Damnnn, thats not been my experience, sorry about that then ; -;

[thick ivy]

every otehr dino is so free to grow

[heady geode]

I've grown a Metric ton of deino on au officials, all of them were just canni combat to live, highlands suffering, sp suffering, delta barren as ever

[normal shuttle]

It is hard, but the way the difficulty is handled is miserably artificial

You have 0 control over your own life and it’s basically gambling until you grow because you have zero agency over what you can eat, you are at the mercy of other crocs, there is no way to escape cannibal couples and safe spots completely counter your playstyle so you depend on bad players.

And an apex as a noob stomper is garbage design because it makes it far less reliable

[thick ivy]

fr i play au aswell

exactly why they should add some more abilities

[normal shuttle]

And then the hunting is just not interesting. It is camping herra but without the possibility to master it. Just a short dopamine moment when you snatch a clueless player after 15 minutes of waiting

[thick ivy]

like opening your mouth in rivers waiting for fish to swim into them

[normal shuttle]

They should rework deino as a whole. Not giving it a way to sustain itself of free

[heady geode]

that sounds like a sucho/spino thing

simple fix is just re-add schooling to diet without needing to cook it, 1% minimum food intake, have you SEEN the size of schooling fish when a deino puts one on the shore

[normal shuttle]

Simple fix is reworking deino

[heady geode]

its as large as an fg herra, which give you ~4% food value

[normal shuttle]

Have you seen the size of schooling fish swimming around before someone catches them and they scale up or down depending on your size

[heady geode]

yeah I know, and they also have a "pool" of how much meat is inside each school, so a deino can only grab 3 out of a school, but a herra could grab a dozen

[normal shuttle]

And making deino easier to maintain won’t really make it much less miserable gameplay wise. Just another mind numbing afk simulator

[heady geode]

but Stillllll, that thing is so big, and it gives you .2% food

[normal shuttle]

It is fair from a game design perspective

You’re an 8 ton croc, a full blown apex

You shouldn’t be kept well fed and maintained by something that isn’t even AI, but just an animated, static food source that won’t defend itself nor is it hard to spot

[heady geode]

but having schooling fish sustain you if you Travel down river from school to school, 3% per, you dont afk, you're always moving around

[wooden agate]

thats because the fish automatically fit the size required to 'fit' in the mouth

fish are technically meat chunks

the schooling fish group is the body

[heady geode]

well, full blown apex is a discussion for a dondi day, I dont think devs see it that way with spino on the way

[heady geode]

I know how it works, but the amount of Meat inside the school should just be raised a bit for deino

[wooden agate]

the existence of spino does not make deino less of an apex

[heady geode]

or scale down the size of the insane fg deino fish to not be such bait lol

[normal shuttle]

It is totally fair for an apex to perform poorly against other apexes. Otherwise I guess shant and cama are the only true 100% apexes since nothing else can really match them 1v1.

[heady geode]

thats the very definition of apex

it is no longer the top of its food chain per Kissen

[normal shuttle]

Deino just specializes on smaller things

[heady geode]

if a deino sees spino, it Must leave - Kissen

[wooden agate]

since we're using kissen quotes,

she also flat out says deino is apex in the convo youre referencing

[normal shuttle]

Very much is at the top when it only has to worry about spino

[heady geode]

wasnt this right before the "spino beats deino 1v1"

[normal shuttle]

Lmaooooooo

[wooden agate]

no infact deino is referred to as apex in the 'spino beats deino 1v1' convo

[heady geode]

well going by the "cant be unbeaten" then, ig deino is apex

[normal shuttle]

Trike can pummel stego. Is stego no longer an apex then even though it can roll deinos, other stegos, cera megapacks and potentially allo groups?

[heady geode]

so it gets bullied out of all its food location and requires fish even More ; -;

hence circling back to re-add schooling fish and increase the meat inside each one

[normal shuttle]

Assuming spinos are everywhere or actually bother chasing a deino

[normal shuttle]

Hence why deino needs a rework to not be ass

[heady geode]

Carnos chase juvi ceras through entire forests and across the map, its not even on diet

if spino comes around, deino is meat, even if it aint diet for whatever weird reason, carno cant eat cera after all

[normal shuttle]

deino is likely going to be quicker in the water

plus it could be that we get some map changes to make some spots more commonly visited or getting migrations fixed

however if something like a deino enters a pond with a spino, it should get slammed for such a poor decision

[thick ivy]

fr i think deino spino fight should be 50/50

like spinos water turn is slower

[normal shuttle]

deino is likely going to be quicker in the water and it doesn't specialize in hunting things much larger than itself

1v1 is liekly not worth it

[wooden agate]

deino kills things by drowning

how do you drown a spino thats larger than you?

[heady geode]

Great even kissen doesnt know the balance, just that spino > deino for reasons

[wooden agate]

she literally gives the reasons in the convo youre referencing

[heady geode]

"for reasons I dont understand"?

I dont have the discord tism you do sammy find the quotes for me

[wooden agate]

"for reasons i dont understand" is referring to 'theres salt there'

[normal shuttle]

and also a spino lmao, the thing that most likely will move like a hippo so it might need a good load of oxygen

Deinos already being theoretically able to chase down and drown 6 ton fresh adult spinos is baffling enough. They don't need to threaten the adults too. If anything it should be the other way around as a reward for making it through all of that

[wooden agate]

thats just grammar i fear

granted there should have been a comma and not a period

[thick ivy]

spino lifewould be easier than rex

[normal shuttle]

because they dont want to turn deino into a capable big(ger) game hunter as that could be laughably unfair for larger animals and also, check this out dude.

Rex is Sue size btw

[heady geode]

the spinning gif didnt make it seems that big of a difference

[wooden agate]

here is the full "deino vs spino' convo

[heady geode]

why is spino so big, he should be 70% billboard

I cant believe it, I searched Meant to leave

[thick summit]

It's a fictional ecosystem

That's why deino isn't as powerful as it should be

[heady geode]

the one quote I wanted, Deino gtfo, spino appears deino is gone, go munch on fish you dumb lizard

[wooden agate]

im in a discord that posts dev quotes like this pretty often so i try to stay pretty up to date on that

[normal shuttle]

cuz why not. Billboard spino was ugly in legacy

[wooden agate]

well if spino pushes you out, you think the prey that you were there for wouldnt also leave at the sight of a spino?

[normal shuttle]

also a tank apex carni is greatly appreciated

[heady geode]

do we know what a bite force is in newtons, because whatever it is deino already has the most

[wooden agate]

BF is just damage, and rex (currently, in HT files) has a higher one

trike also has a higher BF in game right now

[normal shuttle]

and that's fair from a balancing perspective

[normal shuttle]

also ik what you are referring to and well, lol

[heady geode]

yeah its like nowhere close, if you were to do lore accurate deino it'd be a few thousand, not great balance

[normal shuttle]

that measurement was done just scaling up the skull and musculature of a nile crocodile. And that is NOT how you measure the strength of an animal

[heady geode]

so even more off

idk I dont get the need for bite force on a drowning creature

[normal shuttle]

it is good balance because deino as it is shoud not be going for huge things and chomping them to death

[heady geode]

I can already snatch a cera and carno into my mouth

[normal shuttle]

yup

you dont need massive bite force on Isle's deino

[thick ivy]

and they dont give that much

[thick summit]

I'm a crocodilian nerd. I know a lot about them and I do NOT want an accurate deino

[normal shuttle]

they give you enough to endure 30 minutes more or so

[thick summit]

That thing was a beast. We don't need it

[normal shuttle]

also boring sunbathing 24/7

[thick summit]

Yeah...crocodilian life is quite boring

[thick ivy]

but i feel like deino should have some chance fighting spino because the water is the deinos natural territory and by the looks of the image spino looks like a beast

so deinos will just be victims in the water

[normal shuttle]

victims to one matchup

and I am pretty sure spino is gonna have trouble in deep water vs two deinos regardless

like at the bottom of water access or highlands lake

but in something like a pond? Deino gets mauled with no escape

[thick ivy]

still i think spino should be less agile so deino has chances of doign quick manouvers

like cera vs dibble

[normal shuttle]

thing is

deino is a giant crocodile, it can't be agile

and it also has rather low dps for its size against larger animals

Which really isn't going to be helpful by fundamental design against THE tank of the carnivore apexes

[thick ivy]

it is right now

[thick summit]

crocodilian* 🤓

[thick ivy]

spino should have terrible turn rate underwater

because of its bulk

[normal shuttle]

okay yeah, but same morphology. It is not a dolphin or a sea lion

[normal shuttle]

it is a dense bipedal animal who actually has grasp and leverage on the riverbed or bottom of a lake

if anything it should turn relatively quick

and it won't be bad because it is a damn spino

it needs to be goated at defense

[thick summit]

No, but an Alligatorid

[wooden agate]

especially considering it likely wont have speed on its side whatsoever

[normal shuttle]

yup, that too. And honestly in the water it has no real predators. It is okay and not unfair for this thing to be a slow moving, quick turning powerhouse because nothing can really target it anyway other than deinos reliably

in plural because I can assume 8 tons of meat can still afford a trade if there's more than one

no way spino is gonna put up with two adult deinos unless it gets some crazy dps ability or it can cc them in the water (not happening)

it's like the rex vs giga legacy argument all over again

it's okay for rex to have the upper hand against giga. Not everything needs to have a perfectly even matchup just because they're in the same "tier"

[thick ivy]

you know irl spino were bums right

[normal shuttle]

And we don’t have a irl spino

[heady geode]

I want to necro this again just because I want Big Plains again, screw safe spots, drink from The whole delta!! #general-feedback message

[normal shuttle]

Irl spino wasn’t a kaiju

[heady geode]

Like that grand plains addition would be peak, segment it a bit with treelines so LOD’s aren’t so blatant and it’s the only place you ever need to go

[wooden agate]

point to the irl spino thats planned for the game

we have godzilla

he is coming............

[normal shuttle]

Not really very similar aren’t they

[thick ivy]

still think that spino deino fight underwater should be 50.50

[normal shuttle]

Why? Deino is 100% going to be faster in water since it is not at all in land

So if it is a 50/50 it would go like this:

[wooden agate]

not to mention, deino literally just is not meant to be fighting things that large point blank period

[normal shuttle]

Deino sees spino, goes for it

Spino is more skilled and starts beating it up

Deino runs away and there’s nothing the spino can do to catch it

OR

Spino wants to flee but it can’t because Deino is faster

[normal shuttle]

And yes, this too ofc

[wooden agate]

if you have 2, sure go at it

but if youre a solo, and you know that you kill via drowning instead of raw power and still decide to go for the spino, that is on you

[thick ivy]

than spino goes on land

[normal shuttle]

I said it above as a part of basic balancing and game design. BASIC, not just in the isle

How is an exceptionally low dps character going to perform any decently against a TANK that potentially also has more damage?

[thick ivy]

its just boring that you have to run away in your natural habitiat

the deino population is just gonna starve down

[normal shuttle]

So if you make deino have enough damage to be a problem to spino, then it is a problem for everyone who wants to go for a drink

[thick ivy]

people will be playing rex and trike which cant get grabbed

so deino is just gonan be pointless

[normal shuttle]

Dilo is in its natural habitat in land but you are better off avoiding ceras

[wooden agate]

as if the spino is not also in its natural habitat

[thick ivy]

as it wotn be able to get most land dinos nd it has to run awawy in the water

[thick ivy]

its land adn water

[thick ivy]

so much differny

[normal shuttle]

Wait for the rework to see if it gets anything that can help at all without turning it into a water rex

And well, you can just balance them out in a way that Rex and trike are…you know, hard to get

[wooden agate]

a good portion of the roster is under 4 tons, and a majority is under 6 tons (so grabbable while swimming.) assuming deino elder is 11 tons like in the files, it will be grabbing pretty much everything

if you want to hunt/fight people larger than you, maybe dont play deino

[normal shuttle]

Nope, because deino is designed to not go for things it cannot drown and it’s going with its garbage dps against a defensive tank that is also significantly larger and heavier who is also a water enjoyer

[thick ivy]

spino can survive on land deino can t

so the water fight should be 50.50

[normal shuttle]

And deino can survive spino in the water

[thick ivy]

by running how lame

[normal shuttle]

Just w shift or surface swimming

[wooden agate]

no but deino can survive in the water

if running away is a valid tactic for spino, why is it not valid for deino?

[normal shuttle]

No because then deino can disengage for free whereas spino doesn’t have that luxury, at least not all the time

[wooden agate]

deino being faster in water means it quite literally would control the entire encounter

[thick ivy]

like in sp

i think sp should be connected to main rivers than

cause the only populated area for deinos to hunt is sp

[normal shuttle]

Also deino is going to be eating good as it can grab and drown 6 ton spinos with one button press. Is it really that bad and unfair that once it hits 10-11 tons it becomes an actual problem to fight an adult spino? The guy EARNED it coexisting with deinos

[thick ivy]

and now it wont cause of spino

[wooden agate]

highlands
river delta
various ponds around the map

[thick ivy]

guess what

[wooden agate]

if spinos are there, no one is drinking there either

[normal shuttle]

Ponds are going to be cleansed of deinos even with bary lmao

[thick ivy]

its impossible to fidn things

[wooden agate]

"no one goes there" play unofficial for 2 seconds i beg you

[thick ivy]

i play au

[normal shuttle]

And also migrations could be fixed to solve hotspots. Done

[thick ivy]

exactly

[wooden agate]

you think spino being in sp (where it likely cant even hide entirely under the water) is going to just... ruin deino survivability? despite the fact people will very clearly see the spino and not begin drinking there?

if spino is there, theyre drinking in other places. go to those other places.

[normal shuttle]

Even less when they see that spino can actually chase you into the shallow safe drinking spot lol

[thick ivy]

thats not the thing

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-thing-fantastic-four-first-steps-f4-richie-the-bear-here's-the-thing-gif-10866717939802756885

Not everything has to be a scenario where you have to fight, my blud

Sometimes disengaging and keeping your distance is better

Sometimes you have to let go

[wooden agate]

so if spino invading SP instantly makes SP unviable for you (because it functionally is a swimming flare saying "hi im under the water and you can tell because my fat sail is poking out"), why would you go to SP if you know that a) theres likely a spino there, b) its driving everyone away from water sources anyway, and b) you know that you have less options of escape at SP

[normal shuttle]

And it’s okay, it’s part of the game

[wooden agate]

you're describing a problem thats entirely self made

[thick ivy]

i mean the deinos that will eb hdiding there

[normal shuttle]

Their problem for being there after spino releases

[wooden agate]

why are they going there if they know that the river a) lacks reliable ways of escape and b) likely has a spino

[normal shuttle]

Completely their fault lol

[wooden agate]

"they need food" they arent finding it where the giant spino is sticking out of the river

[thick ivy]

exactly why they should connect sp to river delta

[normal shuttle]

It’s like being a dryo in the open plains and complaining when you get spotted by 5 carnos when it released

Duh

[thick ivy]

liek that

[normal shuttle]

Dark souls interconnectivity

Peak level design

Although adding more water would suck for deino too, better use the one you have available in a better way

[wooden agate]

or just connect it to swamp via dome

[normal shuttle]

Since that’s more surface to patrol as a gator

[desert arch]

#general-feedback message incredible bait I gotta admit

[thick ivy]

swamp needs a rewirj

connecting it to river is better

so deino actaully has a chance to escape

[wooden agate]

wait people actually upvoted that

[wooden agate]

the solution is not putting yourself in a situation where youre forced to escape

[thick ivy]

bro deino has no where else to go

[normal shuttle]

You are clueless

[wooden agate]

literally every other water source on the map

[thick ivy]

other places you sometimes find a herd

[desert arch]

Nuh uh

[thick ivy]

that just drink in safe spots

[normal shuttle]

Don’t go into the spino death traps then, problem solved

[wooden agate]

so the issue isnt with deino but with player activity around the map and 'safe spots'

[thick ivy]

listen

[normal shuttle]

Deino rework then

[normal shuttle]

Yuh uh. I have so many upvotes right now that prove me right

[wooden agate]

goes into pond
spino walks up
spino kills deino because deino is in a pond with little escape options
"hurrr why spino kill deino"

[thick ivy]

deino goes to river delta

find one little maia after 1 hour

later starves

[desert arch]

Get low quality troodon'd

[thick ivy]

and wonders why it didnt go to sp

[normal shuttle]

Literally like trying to cross south river when there’s always deinos there in a 200 player server instead of being a little more patient and dropping down from the waterfall or through the lagoon waterfall that gives you a 100% chance you won’t get snatched

Why did I die moment

[wooden agate]

sorry but your experience is not universal, especially if you play on AU servers

[thick ivy]

do you have herds hording in river delta

[normal shuttle]

Git gud. Stamina is terrible when compared to humans

[normal shuttle]

Yes in unofficials. Pretty common because that’s a peak herbi place

[desert arch]

I ran out of bait pictures 🥀

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-isle-the-isle-spinosaurus-spino-gif-20307570

[wooden agate]

yes, tenos are there almost 24/7. maia's run through almost constantly, diablos are fairly common as well. cera is also known to be around there

[thick ivy]

different servers than

[wooden agate]

frankly AU needs some really good unofficials asap lol

[normal shuttle]

The deino killer

[thick ivy]

in au river delta and otehr places are usualyl so dead

[indigo gulch]

You find maia’s? I find nothing 😦 even when it’s migration

[thick ivy]

au is more combat and america servers are just roleplaying in areas

[normal shuttle]

West rail pond deinos getting bodied by a bary pack is gonna be so funny to watch

[wooden agate]

then thats a problem with AU servers, not deino itself

[thick ivy]

wont deino be abole to grab barry

[normal shuttle]

Which also has problems

[normal shuttle]

It will 100%, but bary can chase deino underwater

[wooden agate]

if youre grabbing one bary how do you expect to deal with the two slicing into you

better to just alt bite

[thick ivy]

i was jyst asking

[normal shuttle]

Or five if we are talking about HT

[thick ivy]

deino should probably have more bite force in my opinion

[wooden agate]

no its a good question but you have to realize how bad it can be to take away your only source of damage by focusing it on one creature

[normal shuttle]

They’re like beipis but can afford getting hit and also hit you much harder

[wooden agate]

for what