general-feedback-discussion

[cunning wasp]

Oh lol

[cunning wasp]

Gotta be a suchomimus

[haughty fossil]

I think im god to bump this here haha #general-feedback message

[gritty heart]

I suppose. I'm not an expert on infections (nor do I know the specific strain cera has), so I don't know how deep a wound would need to be to make a huge difference.

I wouldn't mind it if it combined with the other factors either, I'm not a huge cera fan

[coarse spruce]

Since dilophosaurus venom and troodon venom is less effective when they're wounded, I think the same consistency should be passed onto cera's own brand of "venom"

[gritty heart]

that makes sense.

[heady geode]

why is everyone against reverse gastrolith? if you graze every minute for min max you get Four Hours! of a full belly, you can find diet in that amount of time herbivores I believe in you

[ancient kestrel]

Sorry man, but they are. Seems like you new to this game and not understand much

Because no point for small game hunter getting bigger in adult stage. For things it intended to hunt carno strong enough, anything stronger than carno - slower than carno. Carno have benefit of choosing if it wants to fight or not.

Also - elder carno will be a thing so just wait for that

And another thing - carno buffed on HT to the perfect state of its balance

The fact that it have same weight as cerato doesn't mean that it compete - they are have different niches

[urban flax]

@normal shuttle finally a good take

[normal shuttle]

Indeed

Like man, I am so tired. Officials experience is so miserable, with all of these griefers treating it as a PvP only game

Instead of a dinosaur survival. They behave a lot more like JW dinosaurs fighting each other to death for nothing

Instead of living, breathing animals

[urban flax]

I said it before and I'm gonna say it again, rules are truly the only way we can control the players' behavior

[limber hull]

i know its a bit but i still hate it

[normal shuttle]

Okay koser

[limber hull]

I am, and proudly so

https://tenor.com/view/fused-zamasu-merged-zamasu-anime-dbs-dragon-ball-super-gif-18780641

[normal shuttle]

@urban flax cuckoo tarbo sounds pretty unique

Hope it gets something like the JWE design

[urban flax]

It actually does

[normal shuttle]

Although…what do you propose to fool the parents if they do not receive the egg request?

Since they gotta accept that before hatching an egg

[urban flax]

They receive the egg request, which claims it's a baby rex waiting to be born

[normal shuttle]

You would also have to make its eggs invisible so that players who can count don’t notice

[normal shuttle]

Interesting

And would tarbo get the crush?

And sparring with trike?

Maybe it could have slightly different values to make it entirely different

[urban flax]

Yeah I didn't get into the specifics but it could have all that

[urban flax]

Or just do like an actual cuckoo, eat one egg and replace it with your own

Oh I also forgot to mention baby tarbos would be able to speak in chat with their foster parents

[ancient kestrel]

Bruh such rules are just way too artificial. Only thing I agree on is mixpacking

This bit especially funny

[urban flax]

Rules are absolutely necessary for officials to function properly

[ancient kestrel]

Certai rules yes but most of stuff proposed by him - funny

[urban flax]

These rules make perfect sense

[ancient kestrel]

I am sorry but body down is one of the most obnoxious rules you can imagine

[urban flax]

It's more realistic

[ancient kestrel]

Realism not corelates with better gameplay

[unique mirage]

if i see potential prey on a small body im not stopping to 3 call that guy

[urban flax]

But it's more important than gameplay

[ancient kestrel]

Not really. Gameplay should be always above anything else

[urban flax]

You don't know what a simulator is

I also see you downvoted my tarbo suggestion
And here I used to think you were a sensible person

[ancient kestrel]

Realism reinforced by only rules always will feel very artificial. Not to say that this will lead to obnoxious behaviour from people who will exploit rules to protect themselves

This quite often happens on realism servers

[urban flax]

If people exploit those rules, just make more rules to prevent abusing

[visual sinew]

in this particular game it should be split 50/50, we literally have an entire channel for paleo talk and this is one of the main games for people who love dinosaurs, if this doesn’t have a strong sense of realism you lose a large portion of the player base to that

[ancient kestrel]

Yes because it sounds stupid. Like how apex predator will sneakily lay its eggs in T-rexes nest?
Such behaviour could be expected from small tiers but not from large animals

[urban flax]

Just like with anything else
Sneak in when the paren't are away

[ancient kestrel]

I am sorry man, but it just hillarious

[urban flax]

A lot of people want tarbo in, here I am proposing a really cool and original niche for it

[ancient kestrel]

It won't fit apex tier animal at all

[urban flax]

While not detracting from its identity as a rex clone

[ancient kestrel]

Like why not to make it for something else?

[unkempt siren]

why is this black line even there this makes us just see a rex head lmao

[urban flax]

Because you can't mimic an apex if you're not an apex yourself

This game is also very lacking in the carnivore apex department, so I really think tarbo fits perfectly within the roster

[ancient kestrel]

6 apex carnivores in the roster - lacking

[urban flax]

Meanwhile the apex herbivores we have : shant, cama, trike, stego, brachi, anky, pachyrhino, theri, cheirus, minmi

It's extremely unbalanced in favor of herbivores

[ancient kestrel]

Apex carnivores are always more rare than large herbivores in nature

[urban flax]

But this is a game, not nature
Also even balance is in favor of herbivores, carnivores deserve at least something

[ancient kestrel]

Also why pachyrhino treates like apex lol

[urban flax]

If tarbo qualifies as apex, pachyrhino does too

[ancient kestrel]

I don't think it will be above 5 tons

[ancient kestrel]

The game much more lacking on mid tier carnivore stuff

[urban flax]

That's why I'm also going to suggest adding yutyrannus

With a wasp niche

[ancient kestrel]

Also tarbo is just seems redundant in the same way like carch

[urban flax]

But that's the point

[indigo gulch]

#general-feedback message aaaah I see what he did for april fools

[urban flax]

Being so similar to rex is what makes tarbo unique

[indigo gulch]

[ancient kestrel]

Not exactly. Also it had much thinner snout which probably will lead to much smaller bite force

[unkempt siren]

tbh dont know
why are u even discussing about tarbo even if they would add tarbo to their plans for future playable u wouldnt see him ig in the next 3 years lmao

[urban flax]

When I asked Dondi about Tarbo he said he'd consider it

Well he initially said "wtf get out of my bathroom" but then he said he'd consider it

[urban flax]

Biteforce isn't tied to snout width, also just fictionalize it

[ancient kestrel]

I think main concern here that they don't have any model for it unlike carch

[ancient kestrel]

Welll it in general have less bulky skull which also means less muscule attachments

[urban flax]

Well I was thinking it could also have venom to compensate

[ancient kestrel]

Venomous apex. Wild.

[urban flax]

It's a parasite first and foremost

[ancient kestrel]

Parasite apex. Why not just make such relations between omni and utah?

[urban flax]

Because it makes no sense, omni and utah also have nothing in common

[ancient kestrel]

They both raptors

In relatively simmilar weight class even tho utah bigger

I might take this too serious tho. It's April 1st after all

[urban flax]

It took you long enough

[ancient kestrel]

Yeah you got me

[urban flax]

You didn't even realize I put minmi in the list of herbivore apexes lol

[ancient kestrel]

I realized but just didn't pointed at this because aknowledges this as joke

[normal shuttle]

They really aren’t dude

These rules would make for a much healthier and realistic environment

[ancient kestrel]

Jokes about minmi sthrength are common so it didn't triggered me

[ancient kestrel]

1st April going wild

[normal shuttle]

What’s the matter with 1st April

[urban flax]

It's Krow's birthday

[normal shuttle]

Oh

Well I don’t celebrate it, and I don’t see how that has anything to do with my suggestion to stop officials from being a pit of cannibals, hyper aggressive herbivores and water abusers

[unkempt siren]

ngl they could probably even add this rules just for joke
they cant even handle rage cheaters
how would they enforce any other rules

[urban flax]

Simple
By selling the game to Activision

[normal shuttle]

I assume that means tarbo needs very little food to survive, or that it would have an extremely long hugner drain time

that would make it different from rex

being able to live off AI

[urban flax]

Of course
I think the idea of an apex being able to survive off AI is very unique

[normal shuttle]

yeah

or maybe it could enter a hibernation stage to sustain itself with minimal food

or well, to make it even more unique

comatose instead of hibernation

[urban flax]

Oh like a vegetable
I like that
Fits well with Tarbo being a parasite in the roster

[normal shuttle]

mhm

maybe it could inflict a strong blow in the head upon itself, thus causing its brain to slide inside the skull and enter a state of minimal activity

brruh

bunch of kosers and haters downvoting my rules

[urban flax]

All stego mains

[normal shuttle]

or herras who just sit on a tree nearby any corpse in sp

they dont let me eat bro

[junior nymph]

@pine bone did you actually play spiro?

[pine bone]

Yeah daily?

[junior nymph]

whats a good reason to bring it back

[normal shuttle]

center

[junior nymph]

lmao

[pine bone]

The open fields, the map structure, being actually scared of deinos in the water in a predictable way that lets you strategize around it, memorable locations ect ect

[urban flax]

Spiro's memorable locations :
-Plain
-River

[junior nymph]

true

[limber hull]

"deinos are predictable"

??? why would u want that

[junior nymph]

and rocks

[pine bone]

You guys can argue with yourselves I have my reasons

It was a much nicer experience than constant cliffs

[limber hull]

it had more cliffs lol

[junior nymph]

there were cliffs on there too...

[limber hull]

and the cliffs were actively hidden

[urban flax]

But you saw them less

[limber hull]

TRUE

you did see less cliffs

[junior nymph]

I laughed at this

[pine bone]

There was always a way to get down from or avoid them, now you gotta do a whole 30 min circle to get around it

[normal shuttle]

how are deinos not predictable in gateway, they are always in the same 3-4 spots

[junior nymph]

30 mins? i get down in 1

[pine bone]

There's way way less of them so most of the time it's either empty or too full

I liked it when there was so many all around and trying to cross that

[urban flax]

The fact there's less deinos in gateway is a good thing
half Spiro being deino

[pine bone]

It's good?

[urban flax]

Yes it is
It's a game with different dino species, it's not just a game about deino

[pine bone]

Yeah but playing all the dinos was actually fun and not suffer simulator

[normal shuttle]

?

how is it a suffering simulator now?

[urban flax]

How was it not before

[junior nymph]

not constant pvp!

[pine bone]

The stamina, night vision and lack of dinosaurs around, plus very long growth times

[normal shuttle]

right

[junior nymph]

I must see dino all the time otherwise boring

[pine bone]

It is a multiplayer game yeah

[junior nymph]

not a massive pvp hellscape though

[normal shuttle]

stamina is a skill issue, night vision was mid and the lack of dinosaurs made it so you had less options to play and less matchups to worry about

Man, I loved the U0 days with only omni and teno!!!

also always day, no nighttime

and no penalty for cannibalism

[junior nymph]

factual

[pine bone]

I still liked and enjoyed Spiro more 🤷‍♂️

I don't get the point

[junior nymph]

from this I see more of the mechanics that were on spiro more than the map

[normal shuttle]

well, you should play gateway more often until the new stockholm syndrome sets in

[pine bone]

I guess there's not any big open fields anymore it's all terrains with sharp height differences, that launch you to your death now

[normal shuttle]

terrain that is actually hard to traverse

[pine bone]

I usually just hang out in the north lake (?) field but it feels small

[normal shuttle]

and honestly spiro had its fair share of that too

[limber hull]

spiro was mostly untraversable

[normal shuttle]

it's just that people were always by the plains or swamp (latter in the very first version)

[limber hull]

it is only a few select spots where it wasnt

go off the beaten path and you're screwed

[normal shuttle]

I just remembered that one canyon with a river in the middle of the jungle whenever you wanted to cross the central river from one side

[pine bone]

I had a lot of fun with that map very fond of that

[normal shuttle]

Zenny...

my beloved

a spiro v3 fan

and DUDE

why does everyone keep downvoting my rules???

They are well thought out

[urban flax]

They must all be cannibal KOSers

[normal shuttle]

yeah

[junior nymph]

why was that straight to what I thought lol

[normal shuttle]

aggressive herbivores hunting carnivores

griefers

[normal shuttle]

because his video has brainwashed many innocent children in this community

[urban flax]

I don't know if I should be happy at the fact that my parasite tarbo suggestion is getting almost as many upvotes than downvotes

[normal shuttle]

also Dondi is a cool guy nowadays, he's been for a while

[normal shuttle]

good takes deserve to be acknowledged and applauded

but man, these players are just PvP minded canni tenos

[normal shuttle]

I just got one of Scanova's vids on my recommendations and he thought the devs were terrible because they once had an "argument" saying that you cannot say much about magy's design when it has not even been showcased besides animations and model

community is full of rampant haters posting misinformation that then seeps into feedback

I sometimes feel bad for the devs when they get dunked on 24/7 shortly after a new isle criticism video is released in yt

[urban flax]

The hardships of being a game dev

[normal shuttle]

an indie game dev no less

also it's hilarious when people tell them to stop focusing on what they are doing to solve other issues instead or release more playables

as if Visualtech was focused on animation of creatures or coding lmao

or putting Kissen to work in anything to keep hackers away

[urban flax]

Yeah many people don't know much about game dev but feel entitled to give their opinion nonetheless

[normal shuttle]

idiocracy...

@fading shadow they are making something that will be more or less an in game guide for things like playable abilities and also stamina

[ancient kestrel]

One time deino grabbed me in a volcano pond

[normal shuttle]

how many dinos have you come across in gateway in your entire life

[ancient kestrel]

Wdym?

[normal shuttle]

that was just one croc

tell me now the number of deinos you have seen

in all of gateway

[ancient kestrel]

Uh... Probably above 100 at this point

[urban flax]

54
But I suspect it was the same guy everytime

[normal shuttle]

deino mains are such dark souls hollows

[normal shuttle]

seen hundreds of them

[urban flax]

Because they all had the same skin, were in the exact same spot and it happened in the span of 2 minutes

[normal shuttle]

three in northern jungle sanc pond

dozens in water access

similar amount of them in sp

[ancient kestrel]

They like to chill in Notrh lake too

[normal shuttle]

like 7-8 in south pond

4 in east plains (lmao LLLL)

15ish in west rail pond

yeah I've seen so many of them

and I can count with my fingers how many were actually original

[jagged willow]

lol i got 1100 hours

yall just love to hate

[thick summit]

@modern pollen that's literally just spino's head

[urban flax]

Cut a bit more and now it becomes a carno head
Crazy

[normal shuttle]

I was about to say that

[maiden stump]

Why did you tear off poor spino's nose and chin😭

[modern pollen]

the delusion here is crazy

[normal shuttle]

Cannot believe that the borzoi skull is just a pug one if you cut out most of the middle section and join the front and back parts of the jaw

smh smh

[modern pollen]

its rexs head with a bit slapped on 🤷

[thick summit]

Now give it 3 horns and it's cera

[modern pollen]

it would still be rexs head with a bit off horns slapped on

[thick summit]

Rex does not look like that

[urban flax]

Remove horns from cera and you got a rex head too

[thick summit]

I can still tell it's spino

Also

That's literally spino's skull

Don't blame the devs, blame the animal

[normal shuttle]

it's "rex head" but with a nose and premaxila 🤷‍♂️

[modern pollen]

you guys the type to drink vodka but claim its water bc it looks like water

[normal shuttle]

you are the type to say vodka is just water if you remove the alcohol from it

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/roasted-oh-shookt-gif-8269968

[normal shuttle]

fr tho

it literally is this

cutting out an essential part of a and claiming it's actually b

[modern pollen]

you can take ceras horns off and it doesnt immediately look like a rex

[normal shuttle]

that "bit" you cut out are the nostrils, premaxilla, dentary, part of the nasals and part of the maxilla

[normal shuttle]

really does look like something along those lines

[thick summit]

You are the type to like Gigantoraptor

Alberto looks like rex if you remove its crests

[modern pollen]

not worth the time

[thick summit]

🤯

[normal shuttle]

This is way funnier than I thought

Actually straight up Rex

Lmfao

[thick summit]

Deino looks like rex if you squeeze its head together

[ancient kestrel]

I don't trust you considering the quality of your ideas. Experienced player won't propose such trash ideas

[thick summit]

This is actually some really goofy take

[normal shuttle]

deino's head looks like trike's if you turn it into that of a ceratopsian

look they both have scales and eyeballs

[thick summit]

Fr

[normal shuttle]

literal carbon copy smh

lazy devs grrrr

[modern pollen]

the fact that you believe this looks more like rex compared to the spino is hilarious, get me some of what your smoking

[normal shuttle]

@maiden anvil 7 ton para stomping sub rexes into the dirt or we riot

[thick summit]

But that's spino's skull

It doesn't look like rex at all

[normal shuttle]

how can you posisbly say that to me when I removed ONLY ORNAMENTS! CRESTS!

And then you took away half of the mouth to make it look vaguely like rex

[ancient kestrel]

I think shape of its head still different

[modern pollen]

the fact you i take away that much and it does look like rex proves my point

[normal shuttle]

absolutely is because it's a cera

[modern pollen]

slap a bit of spino lookin stuff on it and call it a day boys

[normal shuttle]

still looks more like a rex than if I removed spino's crest

[normal shuttle]

dude 😭

I hate myself for falling to the bait at first

[thick summit]

@junior nymph I agreee

[junior nymph]

samess

[modern pollen]

yea im the one baiting, got cera rex man over here

[thick summit]

But 800 damage? No..

[normal shuttle]

it's just devblog stuff so I thought it was real

[junior nymph]

its my smartest suggestion yet

[thick summit]

800 damage is way too less

[junior nymph]

yeah low ball man mb

[thick summit]

970 damage sounds really fair

[normal shuttle]

facts. 5 ton cera and 8 ton elder just to make sure rex has competition

[junior nymph]

11T elder

[normal shuttle]

1460 damage charged bite could do. Maybe a bit too low but still

[junior nymph]

thats the norm bite

[thick summit]

Hmm but it does less than a stego power swing

[junior nymph]

3000 a charge bite

[thick summit]

Seems fair

[junior nymph]

now we are getting somewhere

[thick summit]

#general-feedback message I don't even have words for that

[normal shuttle]

bad april's fools suggestion

[merry pine]

Well y should know I'm joking

[thick summit]

I know

[junior nymph]

mines not april fools

mine is my mind mine is the way things should be for sure

[normal shuttle]

try something actually outrageously bad rather than something some rando who just played deino would say

[thick summit]

True...I might make one too

[maiden anvil]

I won’t say no to that but anything beyond I won’t support

[normal shuttle]

mine is for the sake of officials

[normal shuttle]

acros too if the para is skilled

[maiden anvil]

Naaah

Or maybe

Depends how big Acro will be

[urban flax]

At least 20 tons if it can solo a cama like its concept art shows

[merry pine]

After the gateway came out I only grow deino 3 times so no I'm not deino player

[maiden anvil]

Lol true. Kinda ridiculous

[urban flax]

Make trike able to drown deino

[normal shuttle]

okay, an image is worth a thousand words

if para is 7-8 tons then the scale is reasonable

cuz acro is 6 (isle strangler dwarf niche)

[normal shuttle]

make trike able to headlock deino

[urban flax]

Give sparring to deino, but it loses against diablo

[junior nymph]

not dibble

[normal shuttle]

allow maia to sit on deino's head to suffocate it

[junior nymph]

proto

[maiden anvil]

I see that more as a dodge. If it would fight Acro and I think it would nearly always die

[urban flax]

No not dibble
Diablo, the main antagonist from the hit game Diablo

https://tenor.com/view/diablo-gif-5143597

[junior nymph]

AH YEAH

[normal shuttle]

fake

acro would get choked by para

punching its throat

[ancient kestrel]

6 ton dwarf

[maiden anvil]

Well… all I see now is to agree to disagree. Does that work for you?

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message i know its a troll one but the fact that someone mentioned JW makes me throw up

[normal shuttle]

drunk husband niche. Fat and chokes its victims

[maiden anvil]

[ancient kestrel]

[normal shuttle]

[jagged willow]

wow so hateful how is suggesting a growl such a horrible idea. you just love to hate i pray for you buddy

[ancient kestrel]

You made list of 16 ideas most of which are sounds dumb and out of place

And no it's not matter of love I to hate or to love ideas. I like to discuss them

[jagged willow]

if you can not tell that you are hateful it is a pity

[normal shuttle]

you are hateful

[ancient kestrel]

Why you think so lmao

Also that reaction from you deserves a pity

[normal shuttle]

nope

you do

[ancient kestrel]

[jagged willow]

💌

asking for a growl or for dilos to have the ability to jump is a big no no.... noted

[normal shuttle]

well

jumping on dilos is unneeded

[jagged willow]

but why im sure they could look at the speed and size of thier legs they for sure can jump 😄

[normal shuttle]

and so is the growl!!!

[jagged willow]

could be useful in certain situations 😛

[normal shuttle]

but mechanically is it something dilo actually needs for anything but to harass omnis or get on a tree branch

dilo camping inside a cashew plant would be hilarious though ngl

[jagged willow]

jump over a river jump over a log climbimg up cliffs easier and by cliff i mean a 2 foot rock 😛

could also make it less high or far than an omni. but just look at it it most certainly capable of a lil jumpy jump

[thick summit]

I couldn't think of anything more ridiculous than jw

[jagged willow]

jp 1 the best!! 😄

[thick summit]

Jw dominion was way better

[normal shuttle]

No

Dilo should remain with poor agility

Because I said so

[normal shuttle]

Dominion joker giga skin when

[jagged willow]

hahaha april fools 😛

[jagged willow]

but but but...kicks rock

[thick summit]

Ofc

[thick summit]

They should add dominion giga

[normal shuttle]

Best giga in all of media

[jagged willow]

so no to a jump but yes to a 2nd evo human that can jump climb attack more ferociously than a dilo

[normal shuttle]

Just give it gliding at that point

Too unrealistic to see it jumping

[jagged willow]

to unrealistic to see a dilo jumping what physics based world do you live in minecraft?

[normal shuttle]

Dude

It is a dilo, have you ever seen a dilo jumping?

[jagged willow]

yes

[normal shuttle]

Did you live in the early Jurassic to verify that?

[jagged willow]

no 😄

im not that old

[normal shuttle]

Then dilos didn’t jump

You’re better off speculating with things that aren’t preserved

Like gliding membranes, or larval stages where it could’ve had grasshopper hind limbs

[jagged willow]

whew im not the only one 😄

[woeful latch]

ikr xdd

[thick summit]

Anyway

Cheesy...I have to tell you smth

I've been enjoying cera lately

But not in the way you may think!!

[woeful latch]

i wish we had another dino movie, a good one and not jp universe related

[woeful latch]

pure canni cera? xdd

[thick summit]

I really enjoy bullying people off corpses and well...scavenging

[woeful latch]

😳

[ancient kestrel]

Tbh would be nice if most dinos will be able to jump below certain weight threshold (450Kg) to help juvies escape predators and such

[thick summit]

I cannibalise younger ceras yeah

[normal shuttle]

They’re all dumb and wrong

[woeful latch]

well.. me too! i still hate it but i enjoyed playing it for a bit

[normal shuttle]

Uneducated populace

[thick summit]

I mean it's not cera's fault

[normal shuttle]

Would be cool to have 140kg deinos running over the surface of the water like a basilisk

[woeful latch]

cera is like a main character of this game, literally has all the buffs you can imagine lol

[ancient kestrel]

Idk about deinos but will fit for small herreras definitely

[thick summit]

Every "cera main" will move on to allo

True cera players will play the animal because they like scavenging

[normal shuttle]

Small camas too

[ancient kestrel]

[jagged willow]

so quick to insult

[normal shuttle]

Yup

They call me the quickest tongue of the west

[jagged willow]

not fact but based on evidence concluded that most likely able to jump and apparently is the size of a labrador

so make it smaller and make it jump 😄

[bronze matrix]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1356587805500903577 @maiden anvil I agree with that. Hadrosauridae in general should not be combat machines but survival experts. Research suggests they were generalist feeders which made them dominate as herbivores. It would be cool if some game mechanic would use that for hardros.
Tho rn it's too easy for herbivores to get a full and perfect diet so a mechanic like that would be useless.

[maiden anvil]

Yes! However I’m not saying that Para should be awful in combat but neither amazing at it. Then you’re right, it is too easy for herbivores at the moment

[ancient kestrel]

Tbf it's odd that 1.6 t teno can jump but not 700 kg dilo

[maiden anvil]

There is a huge reason behind it and that is its venom mechanic. It’s not fair for a Dilo to bite a victim and then straight away jump onto a rock (away from being hit) and send its hallucinations at it

[normal shuttle]

Because teno has a healthy diet with veggies

[ancient kestrel]

[normal shuttle]

Hadrosaur hater

[bronze matrix]

idk about dilo being able to jump but i would be on board for more silent footsteps

[bronze matrix]

yea they killed my family
can't help it

[normal shuttle]

booo

[jagged willow]

i would say to devs make it as realistic as the evidence suggest on fossils and tracks and implement that in game true sizes and everything and let the game sort it out like in nature

[bronze matrix]

nah a game is not a nature simulation
you need to incorporate the player experience into it
bc some animals in nature are just fodder and they don't choose to be fodder but they are
as a player you would never play fodder so the animals relying on eating that would just starve and all of it collapses

[jagged willow]

but i like being fodder in a game like this the adrenaline it gives is kinda satisfying

dryo gang 😄

[bronze matrix]

pretty small gang tho

[jagged willow]

but okie lets all be apex then and tweak the game till infinity

[jagged willow]

true

[bronze matrix]

lets just give all the dinosaurs interesting mechanics that are somewhat grounded and enjoyable
so it is fun to play but somewhat believable

[jagged willow]

mother nature already does that for us but okie

if anything then i might delve into some maya/unreal 5 developement myself and just slowly make my own dino sim 😄

[normal shuttle]

@split turtle that would be so broken and unbalanced

[bronze matrix]

when it the game is somewhat finished I think they said something about mod support
so maybe you can just use that

but idk if it is still planned

[jagged willow]

noted

ty

[split turtle]

Would you care to elaborate or just regurgitate some boring terrible opposition?

[normal shuttle]

I am being honest

Deino is meant to be hard too, and we don’t need small crocs as terrestrial ambush predators

[split turtle]

You are welcome to disagree but just saying "ThAt WoUlD bE Bad" is just indicative of reductive bad reasoning

[normal shuttle]

Counterpoint: you upvoted your own suggestion

[split turtle]

Okay?

Definitely a weird person, good luck mate

[jagged willow]

i feel ya

[bronze matrix]

@split turtle i dont think the issue is speed but more the fact that baby crocs can't really hide somewhere. There need to be more mangrove tree like hiding spaces for small crocs to use as shelter

[jagged willow]

i love the addition of more logs to hide in 😄 make croc life easier 😛

[bronze matrix]

yea or some kind of aquatic sanctuary type mini biom

[jagged willow]

yea like you suggested mangrove would be neat

we need more ai in the waters imo. swamp is barren

[bronze matrix]

but more bottom dwelling ai like crabs or other invertebrates
too many fish already

[jagged willow]

add another croc in the mix and those too many fish is not very many after a while

or 3 or 4

[hidden pilot]

What if... It has a half-decent hop until 45% growth when it becomes too large to jump

[bronze matrix]

that'd be cool too
this would be like the megalania being able to climb but only as a juvi

[hidden pilot]

mhm

[jagged willow]

im down

i would still prefer at all stages but

[bronze matrix]

too late

already locked in at 45%

[jagged willow]

imagine if humans or any animal that can jump suddenly couldnt at 45 years old :/. unless of course injury which i would be cool in having in game like lets say you break your leg in game once that would trigger the no jump thing or something like that

[bronze matrix]

nah humans are other playables they lose the ability to jump at the elder stage

but they unlock other things like canes and stuff

[jagged willow]

thats kinda what i meant to imply 45 is too young 😛

[bronze matrix]

different species different cut off
cant compare a dilo to a human

45 % is good for a dilo

[jagged willow]

wasnt really comparing just pointing out that its unrealistic 😛

[bronze matrix]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1356530480694038609 @urban flax
I'm kinda late on the discussion on that but i like the idea of the tarbo cuckoo.
The only issue I see is that nests are usually guarded pretty heavily and planting an egg would be difficult. Especially for a somewhat large carnivore.
Maybe instead of going the cuckoo route you go more into the "accidental mutation" route and whenever a playable of these nests sets eggs to public a tarbo can just jump in and spawn in like that.

[urban flax]

No, tarbo deserves to be cuckl0rd

[bronze matrix]

ok you convinced me

[weak dune]

Buddy have I got news to tell you about aggressive herbivores in nature that kill other herbivores Its WAAAY more common than you think if you don't just watch sanitized Animal Planet documentaries

[normal shuttle]

Those are all isolated cases

[weak dune]

If what's realistic is the aim, then herbivores should be able to kick Hypsi to death and then eat them

[normal shuttle]

Herbivores herd up and tolerate each other and even work in unison against carnivores, since predators are more competent

[urban flax]

That's true

[weak dune]

Yeah. They'll also kill each other over food, water, or just because they don't like another herbivore in their space

[urban flax]

Herbivores of different species need to cooperate to stand a chance against the smarter and stronger carnivores
Especially dinosaurs

[normal shuttle]

Fake

[normal shuttle]

Yup, studies show that carnivore dinosaurs were much deadlier and smarter

For example stegosaurus small brain

Compared to the intellect of raptors and tyrannosaurs

[weak dune]

I'd prove it but the rules say I'm not allowed to post videos of animals in distress 🤷‍♂️

its not that hard to find videos of herbivores attacking and killing other herbivores over basically nothing though

[urban flax]

An AI generated video of animals attacking each other is not a proof

[weak dune]

lmfao

[normal shuttle]

You still wouldn’t find much other than a product of your confirmation bias

[weak dune]

hell, if we want realism, herbivores should be able to raid ptera nests and eat their young alive

[normal shuttle]

Not understanding nuance and that herbivores might be in extreme conditions to do that

Normally they herd up and protect each other against carnivore packs

[weak dune]

Remind me what extreme circumstances would lead a herd of fully grown zebras to swarm and kick a newborn gazelle to death

or kick a warthog in the face and instantly kill it

[normal shuttle]

That has never occurred

You are lying

I have never seen that

[weak dune]

"I've never seen it so it doesn't exist"

lol

[urban flax]

KOSers will invent anything to justify their mindset being "realistic"

[weak dune]

I'm not a KOSer but nice try

[urban flax]

Only a KOSer would claim healthy rules in officials are bad

[weak dune]

They're not healthy rules. They're the rules actual KOSers abuse to cry foul and get other people in trouble the moment something doesn't go their way.

I've played plenty of realism servers back in Legacy. In theory, I liked them more than No Rules servers. In practice it just enabled all the whiny people who like to ruin other peoples' gameplay to get admins to harass you for nothing

[normal shuttle]

Never in my life have I come across those players

PVP minded sweats and kosers just want a no rules server so they can run rampant and not let me eat as a fresh spawn cera when there are 20 bodies around or a random dibble runs in and kills me for no reason even though I 2 called

Officials need rules to turn it into an immersive, realistic experience urgently

[weak dune]

Good for you I guess? Should we introduce a "you're not allowed to kill fresh spawns" rule too? Because as we all know, everybody in realism servers that had that rule followed it too

[ancient kestrel]

Isle isn't about realism and paleoaccuracy. You mistaking it with Saurian

[weak dune]

Anyway I have the exact video if you want it I'm just not going to post it here in the server 🤷‍♂️ since you think its never happened and doesn't exist

[urban flax]

I can't believe there's KOSers on Islecord even on a day like this

[normal shuttle]

Don’t taint my DMs with your kos excuses

[ancient kestrel]

No one proposes them to be 50km/h. Just slightly faster to not being that easy meal for bigger crocs

[weak dune]

[normal shuttle]

I don’t want that

[ancient kestrel]

[weak dune]

Nah, its fine. Let them be 50 km/h so we can all live the terrestrial ambush KOS fantasy

[normal shuttle]

Dude

I am serious. Faster small deinos would be hell

Actual threat to stegos and dibbles

[weak dune]

Nah I don't see the problem really

[ancient kestrel]

But they don't have to be faster than dibbles and stegos

Just faster than adult crocs

[pastel steeple]

hi where or how do I get the password Triassic Survival server zhx?

[ancient kestrel]

Man, feedback channel isn't apropriate place to ask such question. Ask on triassic server

[icy lion]

In their discord

[gritty heart]

#general-feedback message

that’s a message of a T. Rex, the tarbos are the green-brown ones in the movie

(My first message linked to the top of the channel somehow xd)

[normal shuttle]

33 downvotes

This community is delusional

[weak dune]

Yep, we definitely are

[normal shuttle]

Yea

Officials have become wild and untamed after so long without rules

The toxic PvP lords took control over this

[weak dune]

All of this could be fixed if we just made Hypsi immortal and capable of 1-shotting a rex by pecking its toes

[normal shuttle]

And it’s sad, really. Because this game has a lot of potential to become a masterpiece of pseudo paleoimmersion in an island with prehistoric reptiles, yet all it has now is kosing herbivores, cannibal ceras, and terrain abusers

[weak dune]

Then make your own rules server?

[normal shuttle]

That costs money

And in fact, I think some people should be forced into having rules

[weak dune]

Then join a rules server that already exists. There's plenty of them

[normal shuttle]

So that they get used to them just like they got used to no rules

Officials should force rules down the throats of part of the playerbase in order to cure this plague of toxicity, griefing, excessive violence and unrealistic kos

[weak dune]

lol

Yeah I totally trust officials to create and enforce a fair rules system the same as I trust to play on officials and not have my day ruined by hackers

[normal shuttle]

More admins

And more rules. It will be good

[weak dune]

Rules which I'm sure nobody will abuse to find a new way to ruin peoples' experience

Still waiting on my immortal hypsi, but alas...

[normal shuttle]

Come on

Its not easy to exploit rules as solid and concise as those

[ancient kestrel]

Damn the swoops guy was so frustrated at me that he ~~left server and ~~DM-ed me lmao

Saying that I am hating

[weak dune]

damn, you're right, I can't wait to go back to the days where whiny crybabies would scream at the admins how they're being body denied by someone crossing a river because the rules say you can't attack people in knee-high water

[ancient kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/am-i-have-no-mouth-and-i-must-scream-am-ihnmaims-am-hate-hate-speech-gif-1392574611171398983

[weak dune]

[ancient kestrel]

I wasn't intended to bully this guy. I just said that his ideas are bad

[icy lion]

There are no plans to add rules to official servers not due to worries of exploiting them but due to the immense workload and headache they will cause

[jagged willow]

rules = no fun go community for your rules 😄

[icy lion]

Admins are better spent using their time to ban hackers, not argue when a body actually went down during combat

Wait a minute

You're trolling again, aren't you?

[weak dune]

P much this. It'd just lead to constant quibbling about when and where a rule may or may not have been broken, and half the time it'll just be people claiming a rule was broken because they were in some way losing to the other person 🤷‍♂️ It was a headache in community rules servers and it'd be a headache in officials

[jagged willow]

false still here 😄 and i dont hate you

[urban flax]

That's the point
If you read the suggestion you'd know Tarbo's purpose is to look like rex

[ancient kestrel]

You don't. But I do

[jagged willow]

i know

its ok i forgive you

still blocked tho 😄

[woeful latch]

the isle

[jagged willow]

lets try to keep it out of this channel next time

[ancient kestrel]

#general-feedback message Para isn't even came out yet but people already worried about its strength

Like come on how you imagine para being busted when it releases

[normal shuttle]

Same to me lmao

[normal shuttle]

Well, you could always add more admins and keep them with a very low paycheck

[icy lion]

All our admins are volunteers

[ancient kestrel]

I hope that game will make some money in the next years and admins will be actualy paid to have more of them

[normal shuttle]

Enslave unwilling volunteers then

[gritty heart]

But why would you just post the rex instead of the dinosaur that looks like rex, ya know, the tarbo. It would be like just posting the birds cuckoo target instead of the cuckoo

And I did read the suggestion, cuckoo mechanic with possible extensions to other theropods.

Anyways, my issue is mostly with the non rex part, as I dislike the idea of it actually morphing shape somehow to mimic the others.

[normal shuttle]

Bad idea

Tarbo is probably the best because it is so similar to Rex

[urban flax]

It's a tarbo
A tarbo that looks like a rex

[mystic basalt]

Why is this a $#$@$@ thing? Was this like a sick joke? They did this with Galli too, spawn you in a place where, if you follow the radar/scent compass to the sacntuary, it leads you directly off a freaking cliff. Just.....stupid.

[normal shuttle]

Git gud

[icy lion]

The icons on the compass are not a path, they tell you where it is. It's up to you to find a path to it

[mystic basalt]

So you see nothing, nothing at all with that uh, design choice? Like, in every single other game, the player is going to run in the direction indicated. Maybe not, i dont know, spawn things closer to the sanctuary, or....at least in a place where the suggested general direction provided right off the bat doesnt lead them off of a cliff, or into the side of a mountain? This....this seems a better choice?

[icy lion]

I really don't see how this is an issue

The map has cliffs on it, it also has paths around them

[mystic basalt]

Ok, my bad. This is def the way to go.

inspirational really, im beginning to see the brilliance of it.

there it is.....now i see it

[icy lion]

Are you malding because you found a cliff?

[mystic basalt]

No, i don't fall off them.....anymore. I have not in quite a few years....but i do remember the death pits. It just seems like a recurring theme in this game to literally try and get people to fall off cliffs

And this....this just seems like a pretty overt attempt. Like, as a new player, i remember being like, wth? It says go this way, yet when i did....i fell to my death. Just seems like a pretty simple thing to get rid of. Im not sure why purposely encouraging people to go in the direction of falling off a cliff is an essential feature

[icy lion]

The game's not "trying" to do anything, it's showing you where the sanctuary is and there so happens to be a cliff between it and you

[mystic basalt]

You take 10 new players, drop them in spawn, if they even know that Q= smell.....they are going to see that indicator and go in the direction of it, and immediately plummet to their death

all 10, i promise

[icy lion]

Honestly that's their fault for not looking at anything around them

The game can't be expected to hold that many hands

[mystic basalt]

Uh, it holds none

it depends on players to teach other players

[icy lion]

And if people have to be taught "look where you're walking" then I don't think they're cut out for an open-world game

[mystic basalt]

Yea, youre probably right, just a bunch of idiots. geesh, they should prob stick to like...Call of Duty, right?

you know, directions, tutorials, teaching people the basic mechanics of the game, that stuff? Thats for simpletons. Thats why only super intellectuals play The Isle! (why were here, obv!)

[gritty heart]

One-Eye slander, he didn’t kill children just to be labeled a tarbo

[golden horizon]

#general-feedback message Would totally ruin immersion

[lapis timber]

The game tells new players absolutely nothing, after I came back from a break i had to actively look up tutorials! And that’s after playing the game for 8 years. Can’t expect new players to stick around and enjoy the game if the game is built to deter them.

“The icon is not a path” the migration icon is a literal path, not the best idea…

[icy lion]

This is a discussion about players being unable to look where they're walking, not whether tutorials should be added

I fully support the game having tutorials, it desperately needs them, but "be sure to look at places other than your compass!" being seen as "necessary" is laughable

@mystic basalt The devs already plan on swapping evrima to be the main branch, it's been said in the past that they want the gameplay loop (elders) to be in but that may have changed

[cyan flame]

@pliant elm Isn't it supposed to work like that? Though it might not have changed with the carno size change, but I think tail slam giving teno "immunity" is, or was supposed to be a thing.

[bronze matrix]

I have a few questions about that:
the elder system means that you reach elder after a while as an adult and die. And what kind of elder (buff or no buff) is dependent on your nutrients right?
Also did the devs say anything about a system that sort of carries buffs between "dino-lives"? Like if you reach the good elder stage and die, do you gain something for your new dino?

[cyan flame]

I believe there's something about mutations, where you can increase the power of it if you die in the proper manner

[bronze matrix]

ah so you carry over the mutations of your "elder-life" to your new dinosaur as bonus mutations

like with the nesting inheritance mutations

[cyan flame]

I think that might be the plan, yes. So any current mutation would start at a very low bonus, and then you can get it up to current level over multiple lives. Or something like that.

[icy lion]

We're not sure what exactly determines the strength you'll be able to reach when you become an elder, my guess is that diet will definitely be a part but probably not the whole thing. If you live well, you'll be strong for a time but will then become weak and frail. It also sounds like becoming old isn't a choice, but dying of age will be. The devs have mentioned that these aspects will be customizable, so they might change their minds on what settings they'll have on the official servers.

The most recent plan we've heard is that mutations will overall be decreased in strength, and successfully dying of age will let you choose to increase a mutation's effects

[icy lion]

Not as bonus mutations, no, from what we've heard you increase their strength for the next time you choose them

All subject to change though

[bronze matrix]

oh that's neat
that encourages people to actually survive and "max out" their mutations

[bronze matrix]

and how do strains work with that
i know they mentioned a long long while ago that there might be some strain stuff happening that is linked to the whole elder survive loop system

is that still the plan

?

[pliant elm]

This just gives an unfair advantage that the tenonto doesn't need to fight Carnos.

[cyan flame]

True, it should not need it any longer, I believe this was introduced back when carno was still larger than teno

[icy lion]

Yea I'm guessing that becoming an elder will be part of it but we haven't heard anything specific or concrete about it

[bronze matrix]

alright thx for the info!

[tardy talon]

20 ceras shouldn't be able to kill trike?

[bronze matrix]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1356735359743950980 @atomic obsidian
I agree with the Cera part but aren't omnis supposed to be big game hunters? I mean a pack of omnis should struggle taking down a single apex but not that hard that it borders on it being impossible idk about that

[tardy talon]

There's no reason why 20 ceras should have no chance against a trike

[mystic basalt]

@atomic obsidian Absolutely, nail on the head man. Not sure why or who would red X that....but its common sense. Well, i do think to a limit, like 20 omnis should have a shot....but likely would be 3/4 wiped out. But, it should be so lopsided that it rarely, if ever occurs

[bronze matrix]

i havent played the horde test
how many ceras are dangerous to a full grown trike?

as it is rn

[tardy talon]

I haven't either but 20 would definitely stand a chance

[atomic obsidian]

Teenagers who want their scavenger dinos like Cera to hunt down everything, smashing the X button like they’re playing a PvP royale. XD

[tardy talon]

Maybe your suggestion is just bad

[cyan flame]

With sufficient numbers, of course even an apex would fall. The issue isn't there, but more so, why can you reach that kind of numbers for the hunt in the first place.

[bronze matrix]

don't forget coordination

a pack of omnis could bleed out an apex if they fight smart and rotate their members in and out

[atomic obsidian]

yes each species has to have a limit on server. like 5 rex max, 10 trikes etc

the only exception should be existing dinos, lets say you have trike already, you should be getting into that server but no new till the number drops under trashhold

[cyan flame]

That's not quite what I meant, there's no reason to limit species like that, and I don't think it's a good idea. I meant more so just that if max pack of omni for example is 10, there's no reason they should be able to sustain 20 of them that would be required to take on a spino or such.

[atomic obsidian]

yes agree on that too, but i think its already hard to sustain 20 omnis if they are fg and stick together

[wooden agate]

its really sad that i can not tell if some of these submissions are meant to be april fools jokes

some are, obviously

but then some... are just plausible enough

[normal shuttle]

Mine is real

[compact sequoia]

i think that the apex generally have much more health than cera raptors...
their damage is not even a worry as i have seen as a adult deinosucus (Apex).

but you could say that apex such as deinosucus and ankylosaurs could be immune to such damages completely as they have armour all over their body thicker than omni or cera teeth so if it attacks on leg or underside damage can be done but not on armoured areas.

[atomic obsidian]

definatelly, thats what im talking about aswell.

[compact sequoia]

already they are struggling to deliver things....if we want such high realistic damage etc ......it will take a long time....physics in the game is a bit unfair for carnivores as carnivores can possibly bite a chunk of flesh out of a living creature or grab and bite legs and drag them.....

also for herbivores the food is technically there should be every green plant but it's not such a case.

implementations of such realistic features will take a long long time

[eternal moss]

my April fools feedback got deleted in less than 2 seconds

[indigo gulch]

because it makes no sense. Should those dinos 1v1 the apex? Of course not! But to do less damage on them because they are attacking an apex is not only a weird interaction, but it also reduces the damage of a group massively and a big group of omnis/dilos/ceras should have a chance at an apex. 20 ceras charging a trike? Sounds hard to survive, even for trike.

[indigo gulch]

Nah, I'm pressing the X because I don't see why you would add a debuff for attacking a hard target. You're already risking your life by attacking a target you clearly are not supposed to be able to kill, that's punishment enough.

[indigo gulch]

IMMUNITY to damage sounds ridiculous. There is already damage reduction, damage immunity is just over the top.

[barren crater]

Isle players wanting their playables to carry them

[pliant elm]

Yes xd. I love see how they want the dino to do everything for them while they don't even learn how to play

[barren crater]

I see it a lot. "I picked X dino, so now Y dino shouldn't be able to hunt me!!!"

😭

[pliant elm]

It's really funny to see how these players are usually the ones who spam alt atacks and cry when they die easily

[indigo gulch]

I just hate the ''look at all those people pressing X, they must be Y dino mains''......no dude, I just genuinely disagree because it's a bad thing to add

[barren crater]

But I grew a big dino!!

[barren crater]

Yeah that's annoying as well.

Also we already saw that system in legacy anyways where creatures did reduced damage if smaller

And it wasn't fun. Inflated apex hp + reduced damage meant that you weren't ever going to kill anything large

[indigo gulch]

it's just weird. As if easy death when you mess up isnt punishment enough

[barren crater]

Nothing fun about being 1 tapped while requiring 200+ bites to drop the larger dino lol

[pliant elm]

Stego, Diablo and Deino players easily carm any fake attack and die even to an omni They are like this xd

[barren crater]

Imo a full raptor pack should challenge a lone rex or any other apex

[barren crater]

can easily fake any attack? and yeah it's still a problem for them

Honestly if raptors can hunt stegos, I think they should also be able to hunt rex since stego is better equipped at defending its flanks

[pliant elm]

Raptors and Troodon will hunt all playables, with group coordination and knowing how to play correctly this is not difficult, but it is not easy either.

[barren crater]

troodon packs are already a nightmare for trike

Interested in the rex matchup

[unreal ridge]

I love troodon, i love the giant slayer

hunting as troodon gets easier the bigger your target it

[barren crater]

lmao true

[gritty heart]

Having small pterosaurs around big (slow) herbivores could also allow weird metas of little carnivores attacking them. Similar to if hypsi can jump on Anky’ shack but so can troos (or another small carni, since troos admittedly seem oriented towards swarming biggies)

[frigid mesa]

If fully aquatics were to be added to the game what aquatics apart from the obvious mosa would be apexes?

[wooden agate]

krono maybe

megalodon perhaps

i imagine tuso would be some sort of apex

as for 'herbi' apexes, i wouldnt mind basilo being made into an herbivore of some kind

leedsycthis or however its spelled would probably be the sauropod apexes

[frigid mesa]

I would also say dunkleosteus as well being an apex

[frigid mesa]

I would say predator x fits the bill more than kronosaurus

[wooden agate]

they're both pliosaurs

[frigid mesa]

Yea but isn’t predator x bigger?

[limber hull]

We got dragons now

#general-feedback message

[gritty heart]

Dolichorhynchops. Simply the strongest, the best.

[frigid mesa]

Are you talking about the giant Komodo dragon megalania?

[gritty heart]

#general-feedback message

What?

[frigid mesa]

Megalodon without a doubt is an automatic apex tier

[limber hull]

no im talking about the feedback post that bizarrely mentions dragons

[frigid mesa]

Ohh yea I just saw that

[thick summit]

I don't know either

[gritty heart]

not really. Even at it's larger estimates it wouldn't really compare with mosa/mega/basilo/etc.

It could probably fit as a tough smaller-mid (ofc it depends on which sea playables are added) pit bull of the sea.

[frigid mesa]

Yea but I would definitely see it having a bull shark playstyle being a tough mid tier open ocean a semi apex costal and an apex tier fresh water fish

Also this evrima we are talking about if the wanted to make dunkleosteus a large apex tier open ocean aquatic they would make it way larger than it realistically was

[gritty heart]

even in the isle, scaling usually isn't changed thay much (though still significant changes). Like diablo is CHONKED up but still smaller than trike, etc. So I don't see it being an apex unless they flat out don't add large tiers like mosa, and stick to basic reptile dolphins etc. In which case a scaled up one could prove big

[latent olive]

dragon is the chinese term for dinosaur

that man is chinese

[limber hull]

i see, and i would assume he is complaining that stam bad

[frigid mesa]

If we’re talking about mosa species then yea I definitely see dunkleosteus taking on some mosa species as dunkle grows around the same size if not larger

[frigid mesa]

Spino if they were to make him realistic would have the same niche as sucho but just larger

[gritty heart]

We don’t need a dinosaur elephant seal smh

[gritty heart]

I mean there are some fairly small mosas, but I’m talkin Tylo+. Though it might be impractical to add those, mega, etc. since they wouldn’t be able to go into rivers etc.

[frigid mesa]

Yea which in that case I would definitely see dunkleosteus being a tough mid tier and at most a decent semi apex against the likes of tylo

[frigid mesa]

Well not really they can make a new map which adds bigger rivers but the issue is if dunkleosteus gets the bull shark niche with a tiger shark diet how would the other semi aquatic playables be effected by dunkleosteus

[gritty heart]

It depends on how strong they make dunky (primarily versus spino and especially deino). Others, like beipi, wouldn’t be particularly threatened (or not more than before).

[thick summit]

We don't need dunk

[frigid mesa]

You mean just deino cause I don’t see spino being affected by dunk that much

[frigid mesa]

Technically for now if the dondi is still gonna go through with the fully aquatics being added way later in the future

[thick summit]

Hm

I don't see deino struggling against dunk tbh

[frigid mesa]

How come?

[thick summit]

It's a deinosuchus 😭

Bro is a bulky crocodilian

[frigid mesa]

Yea but dunky is a giant armoured fish

[frigid mesa]

And that doesn’t really mean anything

[thick ivy]

fix the night vision

[frigid mesa]

On what playable? Or is that with all playables you’re talking about?

[full comet]

#general-feedback message
bro thinks a omni would be able to hurt a rex as it is RN? Why tf would anyone want the damage reduced more

[thick ivy]

stego look at my post

i was fighting a dibble and thats all i saw until it was a bit brighter

that made me orange

[frigid mesa]

Oh yea I just saw that

[frigid mesa]

Yea I understand that

[frigid mesa]

I’m sorry what mate

[full comet]

Like they are already gonna do f all damage to an apex and they want them to be given even less damage

[wheat timber]

What's gonna happen to deino when bary is released? I need thoughts on this it was just brought up to me and I'm genuinely so confused because with the current state of the game I cannot possibly imagine that being enjoyable (same with spino)

[frigid mesa]

Nothing since baryonx is way smaller than deino so deino is fine if you mean sucho I would say deino is fine since sucho is just a fisher

[wheat timber]

Yeah but deino spawns in every single fresh water system aside from sp river atm

[frigid mesa]

Oh I though you meant of how deino would scale not how the others

[wheat timber]

No bro it's gonna be crazy imbalanced unless they look at fixing spawns

[limber hull]

how? genuinely fail to see what's imbalanced about it

[normal shuttle]

What?

Bary is gonna be perfectly fine with deino around

If anything deino is gonna be in trouble in some water sources like west pond or even the lower south river

Although deino is likely gonna destroy solo baries very easily

[limber hull]

i mean... yea. that's why bary will be far more land capable

[normal shuttle]

Or if they are in a large body of water

Largest water source I can see a bary reliably thriving in is swamp and maybe delta

But stuff like HL and Water Access are gonna be completely controlled by crocs at least until spino releases

[latent olive]

i can see baryonyx groups taking control of water access

most of the adult deinos are like, hanging out in river delta or highlands

god saltwater baryonyx will go HARD

[limber hull]

imma be honest most aquatics should not enter the deepest waters besides spino

like swimming to the middle of highlands lake should not end well for most things

[normal shuttle]

No way

They would get dunked on even by a 2.5 ton croc

And no way to catch it either

[frigid mesa]

I don’t think spino should either as what I’ve heard is that spino wouldn’t really swim like a normal semi aquatic it would swim like a hippo

If that makes sense

[frigid mesa]

Cause if they wanna screw over deino by making dunkleosteus a predator that deino should avoid when fully grown then where is it gonna go when it’s stuck facing a dunkleosteus and a Rex for example

[limber hull]

okay but like that's besides my point tho

[normal shuttle]

With enough oxygen I don’t see the issue

[limber hull]

because spino doesn't need to fear deino, like at all

[normal shuttle]

Like in terms of matchups it probably will be the strongest

Meaning that deino, the one who can swim in the deepest water, won’t be as much of a threat

Whereas bary, austro, beipi and even sucho all are in snatching range

[frigid mesa]

Kinda when spino starts to sink at the deepest part of the highland lake which seems to be a perfect opportunity for a deino to pick it apart

[latent olive]

the shallow sections tho...............

[frigid mesa]

I think that’s what he means even if a deino gets one in the group the rest will start to flee as is the case with most packs in this game

[frigid mesa]

When one Dino in the pack dies the rest will flee on their own accord

[normal shuttle]

Only schooling fish to get there at best

[latent olive]

a fair point,.but have you considered,.,,,,LOOKING OVER THERE

[normal shuttle]

No actually

[latent olive]

MEGALANIA JUMPSCARE
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1078702148470177823/1345268424980562051/9027dc802bfbb41b798f75b5c7a19cb55cb76896.png?ex=67ee1e5a&is=67ecccda&hm=0b86c73fafb7df4742d7b8ad766a1e9ed82b804d3a5df6e5a260f0833ea67a58&

I FLEE INTO THE NIGHT

[normal shuttle]

[frigid mesa]

My boi

[normal shuttle]

Nah

Deino is getting dunked on

Unless it’s two or three spino ain’t going down

[limber hull]

imma be honest based on concept art and dev comments not only is that not gonna happen, but spino will be able to just ascend

[frigid mesa]

Mmm

[normal shuttle]

@dire bear LMAO

If anything, jungles in the isle are not dense enough

So you really cannot pull the realism argument

If you had ever been in a real jungle, you would know how you can barely see 5-10 meters in front of you

[normal shuttle]

Yeah, it could just go up if the deino tries to bite something like the sail or head from above and deino is both slower and less agile than a ptera to do that effectively without being body blocked and shredded

[frigid mesa]

Yea but then people will complain about being ambushed out of nowhere and you wouldn’t see any brightly coloured skins either

[limber hull]

why not???

sorry what does jungle have to do with player expression lol

[frigid mesa]

You stick out like a sore thumb and be killed easily for that

I’m not saying that brightly coloured skins shouldn’t be a thing it’s just I don’t see a lot of players playing that risk unless they are a sauropod or an apex tier creature that is fully grown

@violet vessel I agree with you but I don’t think the devs will ever bring that back ever

Cause people complain that deino is an easy playable

[violet vessel]

True but it doesn't hurt to throw it out there. It could get some traction if enough people like it. And recently the devs said dinos will have different elders depending on the playable, which got me thinking about the old deino concept.

[frigid mesa]

Yea but a lot of people are gonna say no even though it doesn’t make sense that the devs did a complete 180 on deino

[violet vessel]

I bet it was because deino came out at a time when the average playable was like 100kg lol

[frigid mesa]

Yea deino and Stego were the largest playables at the time

[frigid mesa]

It’s like when I put a suggestion about how dunkleosteus would function as a giant bull shark that has a diet of a tiger a lot of people didn’t like cause of how would deino and the other semi aquatics would be effected by it

[limber hull]

i dont like it because i dont think this game has any place for a giat fish in its playable ecosystem

you'd be kinda screwed

also idk what the point of the elder deino suggestion is because elders are already bigger than adults

[urban flax]

Deino players already complaint a lot about not being able to go any place they want
Imagine that with a fish that is fully incapable of going on land

[violet vessel]

I didn't see that one. The way I see marine playables is they either all get added or none do. It would get pretty boring if it was just dunkleosteus

[limber hull]

it's nothing to do with "how deino is effected" because all deino is doing is cheering because it gets effectively its best food source of all time

[frigid mesa]

I didn’t mention it being able to go on land but I could see it being somewhat plausible since dunkleosteus is a bony fish but I doubt it would

[limber hull]

okay so its screwed lol

i can think of a vast number of popular water sources that are impossible to navigate without getting in and out of the water

[urban flax]

lol
No arms
No legs
What does it hope to achieve going on land ?
Free meal for the first juvie troodon that comes around ?

[frigid mesa]

That’s why I said I doubt it

[limber hull]

this is why BoB just lets its aquatic playables launch themselves into low orbit lmao

"how do they get there"

they fly

[frigid mesa]

The funny thing is sometimes they can fly better than actually flyers

[violet vessel]

It would require a total map overhaul to the ocean. Maybe if there were underwater caves that led to the sea it could pop in but freshwater is deino and spino territory.

[frigid mesa]

Potentially but there’s nothing stopping the devs to make dunkle a threat to both of them as a adult

[limber hull]

no there def is

dunkle ain't doing jack to either lol

if it isn't AT LEAST a literal 6+ ton powerhouse of a fish (unlikely), it ain't doing much to either

[urban flax]

Dunkleosteus

Deinosuchus' top predator

They're about the same height

[frigid mesa]

There is a possibility for that to happen look at spino as an example if the devs wanted to make him realistic then sucho needs a new niche since it would have the same niche as sucho just being a fisher

[limber hull]

spino niche is apparently going to be "the thing that absolutely whoops basically everything's ass" so idk if it's losing to a fish

[frigid mesa]

Not everything it still get stomps by sauropods and is on an even playing field with apex carnivores and herbivores

[limber hull]

imma be honest based on dev comments i wouldnt be too sure on that "even playing field" thing

[frigid mesa]

Why not it’s in the same tier as Rex, giga, anky and trike

I forgot what’s the third other apex herbivore

[limber hull]

it's SIGNIFICANTLY larger than rex, standing MUCH taller than it, and is shown killing both deino and anky with relative ease

if anything, it'll be a nightmare to face and have the downside of being slow and avoidable

[frigid mesa]

Not with the anky concept art where it breaks its jaw

[limber hull]

yes, that's the way anky survives it, by fracturing, because anky can't outrun it. everything else would be likely advised to just gtfo away from it

[frigid mesa]

It being taller doesn’t mean a thing knowing the devs are gonna say Rex’s biteforce can help it kill a spino

[limber hull]

doubtful honestly

rex's abilities seem designed towards a "punch down" playstyle

giga has the more "massive game hunter" playstyle with being able to hunt shants

and spino is just "the behemoth", with the downsides of being slow and inefficient in ambush or pursuit

[frigid mesa]

Mmm so spino is the ambush predator so Rex and spino swapped niches

[limber hull]

no i literally said it wasnt an ambush hunter

its too massive and slow

rex will still be the ambush hunter

[frigid mesa]

Well then how does it catch anything apart from being a corpse contesting bully

[limber hull]

catching things slow enough for it to consistently hunt (deino/anky), corpse bullying (like you said), simply killing things that get too close to its water, etc

also fishing ofc

[frigid mesa]

Mmm so it seems nothing is gonna be able to take on spino on its own

[normal shuttle]

@violet vessel You absolutely cannot make deino larger without an intensive rework of how it works

Because all things above teno size cannot just jump away from the water or quickly turn around

A stego within snatching size of a giant deino would stand no chance even after spitting it in more or less clear water due to how long it takes to turn around and run

Even maia struggles a lot with this

[frigid mesa]

That but mostly the point against is that people would think that deino would be too op

[normal shuttle]

So it would be flat out unfair for a bigger chunk of the roster unless that rework makes deino not laughably unfair

[normal shuttle]

And carch is the agile one

Climbing

[frigid mesa]

This how I thought of an apex tier for a open ocean fully aquatics

Megalodon being the largest of them all but being a big game hunter

Mosa being the all rounder

While a large pliosaur (predator x or another large pliosaur species) being a punch down predator

[frigid mesa]

I also heard tracking aswell basically being a bloodhound

[urban flax]

that would probably work in a game centered around aquatics

[frigid mesa]

Yea but some people said to make megalodon viable the equivalent for whales which would be leedsicthyes and shonisaurus etc had to be bigger because realistically that’s what megalodon hunted and not everyone like that idea

[normal shuttle]

Shastasaurus is cooler

[frigid mesa]

Large whale/whale like creatures

[frigid mesa]

That one aswell I usually say shonisaurus cause I remember that easier

[normal shuttle]

Funnily enough

Its prey weren’t very large whales, at least not close to the larger end ones we have

[frigid mesa]

Well it wasn’t a punch down predator cause that’s why it went it extinct to was too big and slow basically like spino now and giant behemoth that was a big game hunter

[frigid mesa]

That and megalodon being the biggest apex playable aswell

[frigid mesa]

Still it’s prey was definitely not small game so it being a big game hunter makes more sense

[ancient kestrel]

Personally I still dislike jungle biom. I like more something what Highlands represents

I am craving for desert map with sort of Nile river going through the whole map and oasises spread around with patches of vegetations around those water sources, droughts, scarce resources, dunes, canyons, cool rocky formations and stuff

[normal shuttle]

Well

Highlands is good, but so are well made jungles like that of delta

[ancient kestrel]

Yeah Delta also cool area. I like it

[summer forge]

@indigo knoll agreed, I've felt the same way for a long time put couldn't put my finger on what made gateway and that other map so difficult to navigate, as much as I love the folliage and the big dense forest, they just hide most of the features that would make it more convenient to naviguate without a map :/

[ancient kestrel]

I wonder if I can try to apply my digital cartography skills (never finished education tho) to create some map concept

[normal shuttle]

and swamp, it just needs an incentive to go there but it is pretty and also interesting to traverse

@severe spade lol

imagine delaying rex for two months more while trike runs rampant as a roided stego that ceras can't put up with

or also delaying trike so we have to go for longer without playables even though rex and trike are almost completed

[limber hull]

a desert map would be horrible for basically any semi-aquatic/arboreal/small animal/juvi

[normal shuttle]

one last crippling blow upon deinos

also 30 herras camping an oasis with short palm trees that allow them to only one shot their own 🔥

[ancient kestrel]

it depends on how it diesigned. Desert aren't exactly always just dunes and nothingness. Certain desert environments can have surprising amounts of feature on them.

Take Nile river for example - surrounded by deserts but yet have enough plants around it

[normal shuttle]

pretty sure that would still suck even if there's some massive Nile like river crossing it (spiro memories 🪖 💀 )

[ancient kestrel]

And talking about cover for juvies - map would have sanctuaries as usual. Not to talk that deserts can have different sorts of cover like rocks, difficult rocky terrain and stuff like that.

[normal shuttle]

still huge open plains or dunes if you want to make it an actual hot desert

quetz, carno and omni dominating

[ancient kestrel]

Trust it won't if place things properly so people will always have place where to go other than river

[normal shuttle]

also small crocs? Even in delta it sucks to move around since it's all just a narrow hallway with little to no hiding spots

[ancient kestrel]

Well there can be more wet and swampy are simmilar to lush areas of Okavango delta. Whole map isn't neccessrily empty desert. Arid and desert areas will be just large part of map but still just part.

[normal shuttle]

too flat, pteras be damned

anyways, I must speak once more

[ancient kestrel]

Pteras are getting rework anyways

[normal shuttle]

still gliders!

they need elevation

and also there's not much wind currents in very flat, large areas since it doesn't allow for changes of pressure

[ancient kestrel]

Well crocs and semi-aquatics can hide in water. However speaking of terrestrial animals sanctuaries and safe places for juvies and smaller creatures will be place in canyons and mountains with much harsher terrain. And anyways such map meant to be more hardcore

[normal shuttle]

gugh

I need to finish my feedback holup

it is almost repost but not really

[normal shuttle]

preaching once more

I need a 7 ton herra

[urban flax]

You said "instead of carchar being axed"
But I think removing carch is a perfectly viable solution as well

Anyways I'm gonna upvote it just because I noticed people tend to subconsciously hit the button with the highest number of votes

And if first vote is a downvote you'll only get them

[normal shuttle]

I mean that is a solution too yeah

would rather have no carchar over giga 2

but I am saying there are ways to prevent that

[frigid mesa]

I doubt the devs are gonna do that since it seems like a creature they very much liked to be in the game

[normal shuttle]

edited it anyway

now it's more clear

[loud storm]

how do u invite a friend to ur group???

[ancient kestrel]

Or make it venomous glass cannon apex with toxic bite

[indigo gulch]

Hold 2 call while next to them

[normal shuttle]

we have two damage dealers already

[urban flax]

It's both less unique and less fun than making it an agile quadruped

[normal shuttle]

two main big hitters

[desert arch]

Lurking, I see

[ancient kestrel]

The both very beefy

[normal shuttle]

giga and rex exist and I guess toxic bite would just be glorified giga, using some stuff in the periodic table rather than breaking blood vessels

[urban flax]

"Venomous" isn't even a proper ability in this game, as there are different types of venom
From now on whenever someone says "make it venomous" I'm gonna assume they mean tape an exact copy of dilo's venom on it

[normal shuttle]

not for each other, or to a shant

[bronze matrix]

Carchar being a quadruped is an interesting idea.
We need more quadruped carnivores.

[urban flax]

And carchar should NOT have dilo's venom

[loud storm]

is thry a map?? button

[normal shuttle]

carchar clones

[loud storm]

map?? or no

[urban flax]

no

[latent olive]

i posted the original idea ages ago and at the time it was very divisive

[normal shuttle]

genius

[bronze matrix]

would not have been devisive with me

[latent olive]

look at the reactions compared to the recent post

[bronze matrix]

tbh tho the picture of the feedback is kinda off
like I thought this was about the hyper spino or something
you could have used the picture of the earlier feedback here

[normal shuttle]

I used hyper spino because a) it is already in the game (legacy, although largely unavailable) to show they have done it in the past, and also b) knuckle walking and clear theropod morphology

[bronze matrix]

fair point

also what did you mean with the " non-tree-object climbing," part?
is it just about climbing steeper hills or could it just basically climb all around the rocks in highlands for example?

[normal shuttle]

they could not understand...

Also I think some might have downvoted here because of that last paragraph, which feels baity despite being funny

[urban flax]

Get on top of buildings

[normal shuttle]

buildings, big rocks, stone walls, big fences...Things that could actually visibly support its weight

[ancient kestrel]

Oh not dilo venom. No clones and hallucinations. Instead making fatal HP death threshold higher. So depending on how intoxicated prey is it will die if HP goes lower than 5%, 10% or 15% depending on stage. However it will fade over time and even faster if target have perfect diets.

[normal shuttle]

since it would just look far too stupid climbing some palm tree

[normal shuttle]

oh so a tankbuster?

[bronze matrix]

imagine tho

[normal shuttle]

then it's giga

[urban flax]

Meh
That's more a gimmick than a niche

[ancient kestrel]

Not really cause you will need to kill prey yourself because toxin isn't do damage itself

[normal shuttle]

it's a gimmick that effectively lowers prey health in a percetage based manner

so it does more against larger targets

and honestly, with the current damage system, I think that would be detrimental since they do lower damage

the lower they are

so putting the death threshold higher also sabotages to some extent the strat

unless it also changes the red and orange thing with the damage reduction

[ancient kestrel]

Death threshold gets higher but damage debufss still be tie to the same place where they are

[obtuse steeple]

Sounds like mirigaia from PoT lol

[normal shuttle]

and also what niche could it possibly have that is as unique and different as an apex capable of moving decently on any surface to be a pursuer or even ambush hunter with water and verticality as approach tools?

this just sounds like more effective damage

[ancient kestrel]

% are more of example. It can be a constant numbers instead where it just locks X amount of HP per toxin applied. So smaller creature might die from toxin if its more than their HP

[bronze matrix]

the climbing thing tho as cool as it is might still be somewhat problematic
bc I think the devs mentioned something about ruling out procedual animation
and you def need that to make something that big climb in a good looking kind of way

[obtuse steeple]

Idk about something so big climbing in the first place, like I seriously don’t know if that level of muscle mass would be possible unless it were extremely lightweight

[thick summit]

Dunky ain't doing anything against deino

[urban flax]

Realistically herrera couldn't climb either so it isn't a problem

[normal shuttle]

theropods were lightweight for their size. And as I said it could be very limited climbing either way

If herra can get tungsten bones, don't see why carch can't climb up a concrete building that has two floors at best and burning through its stam

[normal shuttle]

also has a body capable of enduring a crash at 28 meters per second just fine

and omni can jump better than a cougar despite being bipedal and the size of a male brown bear

[obtuse steeple]

Don’t get me wrong I think hererra is also pushing it

For what’s remotely believable I mean

[obtuse steeple]

You right, fair enough

[ancient kestrel]

Talking about niche. It can be nocturnal based apex which might not be faster than T-Rex on murder sprint but decently speedy (34 km/h) with bad stamina pool however.

[normal shuttle]

so...giant dilo?

[ancient kestrel]

Yes. No. Kinda. No hallucinations and stuff.

[thick summit]

Carcha should have a jaguar-like playstyle

Pseudo semi aquatic

[bronze matrix]

thats already herrera

[thick summit]

It isn't

[normal shuttle]

not really

[bronze matrix]

it is

climbs, semi aquatic

then they gave it some jumping spider ability to make it more interesting

[latent olive]

its a very bad semi aquatic

[minor field]

Herrera is barely semi aquatic, its diving only really exists for it to eat fish

[bronze matrix]

kinda like a jaguar

[thick summit]

Herrera's playstyle resembles the hunting style if a leopard

[normal shuttle]

a benefit it could get from having four limbs to swim

Better swimmer than giga, rex and acro = could swim quietly to approach something from behind as they are drinking or near the shore

[minor field]

Not to mention it has horrendous oxygen

[bronze matrix]

and small crocs like jaguars

[latent olive]

actually the intention for the diving/swimming underwater was to sneak underwater so it can get to seastacks where pteranodons are nesting

needless to say, that doesnt happen ingame

[obtuse steeple]

Not like there’s any prey it could hunt in the water anyway other than beepy, which is really uncommon

[ancient kestrel]

Dilo can run for days tho. But big nocturnal predator isn't that crazy idea

[thick summit]

Jaguars hunt caimans in the water

[limber hull]

Why even give it venom if it already basically one taps most of the roster

[normal shuttle]

respectfully it just feels...lame

Like just some damage dealing ability and better night vision

[minor field]

Herrera is not catching a small croc, also given how deino works currently with its lunge it’d be a really bad idea to jump into water with a croc relatively close to your size

[thick summit]

I'd actually like a jaguar-like carch

[normal shuttle]

to hunt camas and shants

[ancient kestrel]

It's not a damge dealing ability. It's a status effect type

[bronze matrix]

I've seen jaguars swim in the water
idk reminds me a lot of herrera
they can swim well but they are no otters or something

[limber hull]

so giga

[normal shuttle]

I did propose something similar in another suggestion but I wanted to summarize the meta reasons as for why it doesn't have to be a giga clone

[normal shuttle]

yep, that's venomous carch

[thick summit]

Jaguars do hunt in the water but herrera sucks in the water

[normal shuttle]

which functions in a way so that you gotta bite less to kill something

[ancient kestrel]

Giga can kill by bleeding out while to kill with toxine you still need to actively participate to finis prey

[thick summit]

If cera wants a swimming herrera dead, the herrera is dead

[bronze matrix]

not compared to other land based carnivores

[obtuse steeple]

If it were to have venom I think an anticoagulant could be super cool, rather than giving the afflicted schizophrenia I feel like it’d be cool to have an actual type of venom

[limber hull]

megalania

[minor field]

Ehhh, not really.

They both still have to participate in order to kill prey