general-feedback-discussion

[normal shuttle]

Biggest letdown in the roster

Undisputed bottom tier game design playable since release years ago

[thick summit]

I love how it's become an F tier playable after spiro

[normal shuttle]

From D to F

Crazy progress

[thick summit]

Lmao

[normal shuttle]

I loved how in spiro you were forced to grovel for mercy at the local 5 deinos so you’re not the next one they gang up on you with no chance to escape or hide in a narrow, barren riverbed with no ramifications

Note the sarcasm

Literally pleading for your life and trying to act cute so they somehow forgive you

Best survival strategy there

[urban flax]

YES someone gets it
Countering deino isn't a matter of strategizing or expressing skill, it boils down to deciding wether you want to roll a dice with 5/6 chances of killing you instantly or not

[normal shuttle]

It has some strategy, but to some extent it is random yeah

Like for example picking spots that no one uses for drinking, instead of just safe spots

[urban flax]

The only strategy involved is "do you want to roll the dice of death or no ?"

Unsurprisingly, most people choose to not roll the dice by drinking in safe spots

[thick summit]

Alright let's give everything a counter to deino's grab

[primal valley]

Drinking in shallow spots, avoiding main rivers and staying away from big herds will reduce the chance of you getting yoinked tremendously.

[thick summit]

Boom deino is having an even harder time

[normal shuttle]

Strictly speaking it is rolling a dice, but the chances of getting snatched suddenly plummet when instead of drinking by the shore by the jungle of the sanctuary of water access, you instead decide to drink downstream at night between some rocks

[urban flax]

And here we have an example of someone who doesn't get it

[normal shuttle]

I still want deino to be fixed don’t get me wrong

But saying it is purely a 5/6 chance gamble feels a bit disingenuous

[primal valley]

thats not an argument

[thick summit]

You could add waterways so deino can still hunt and to make the counter justified

[normal shuttle]

Doesn’t make deino any more interesting to deal with or even play as

[urban flax]

My issue isn't that there is no counterplay
I know very well what the counterplay is
But the counterplay is the problem

[primal valley]

fair but that wasn't what i was getting at

[urban flax]

You're right

[thick summit]

I think increasing the stamina cost when holding prey should be way higher

[urban flax]

Doesn't solve anything, just makes it more janky

[thick summit]

Back on spiro things were able to escape if the deino ran out of stamina

[woeful latch]

interaction with deino will always be unfair, you can’t fix that.

it’s unfair to drink at the safe spots, because you just easily avoid deino.

and it’s unfair to drink where you know deino might lunge you, because there’s no counter play.

[urban flax]

Only to get bitten to death while trying to swim towards the shore

[woeful latch]

and adding a counter play is unfair too.

because when you got grabbed by the deino you should die

[valid brook]

as much as im not a fan of POT i think they have it right with sarco. Scaro would much rather drag you into the river to then bite you to death then drown you. and when attempting to grab they have a very loud audible noise that gives prey about 1-2s to react. which is sometimes all thats needed

[urban flax]

Unfair is OK
RNG isn't

[normal shuttle]

Just relying on safe spots and shallow water is laughably unfair for deinos

And then deinos being able to sprint in a straight line frontally at their prey while they drink and (unless they can jump) there’s nothing they can do about it even if they have the quickest reaction of any human being is also a problem. Zero skill needed with the ambush, herra unironically needs more thought and effort to not be instantly spotted and avoided

Deino? Water covers your noise and your shape flawlessly until you are on someone, and something like a maia or a dibble is completely unable to turn and start running in time even sideways.

[woeful latch]

it’s not rng tho?

[thick summit]

It'd be really challenging to pull off but I suggested something a while ago

[indigo gulch]

Oh yippee are we going on about my boi deino again

[lucid mauve]

After playing herrera, its unfair to. Cus i realise, noone looks up lol

[thick summit]

Sarco is smaller than deino and easier to balance though :/

[normal shuttle]

Noob stomper then

[thick summit]

I'm tryna defend our beloved gator

[urban flax]

For the prey's perspective it is

[normal shuttle]

Not unfair

[valid brook]

yes an no. size doesnt really matter here tbh. its more about the concept

[thick summit]

I suggested a mini game similar to dibble's sparring

[urban flax]

Either you choose to roll the dice of death, either you drink in a safe spot

[indigo gulch]

Depends where you get grabbed. If you get grabbed by a deino and it’s too horizontal, the game will release them because the model would clip into the ground. So it’s RNG for the deino.

[woeful latch]

well my idea was that we make it so you can hear deino underwater if it’s sprinting. also make it so deino can’t see above the water when it’s under the water.

so when you’re drinking you can hear if deino is sprinting towards you and if it doesn’t you know you got few seconds to drink safely.

[thick summit]

I've to walk home rq I'll ping y'all if you're interested

[lucid mauve]

Deserved then

[valid brook]

If size is all that matters when it comes to balancing, then make deino smaller and balance it better. even if that means it can pick up heavier things to introduce said balance

[woeful latch]

it’s a bug tho, but yes

[normal shuttle]

Delete deino

[indigo gulch]

And that was a genuine stupid idea that doesn’t change the issue because all the places deino is the problem are ponds AND it’s unrealistic

[urban flax]

Wave suggested lunge requiring an audible charge-up for increasong range and grabbing threshold
It's my favorite idea so far

[indigo gulch]

Pretty sure that’s a feature.

[valid brook]

yee, bugs shouldnt be considered when talking about balance. they should instead, hopefully, just be fixed lol

[woeful latch]

this game is full of unrealistic things lol

[lucid mauve]

Thats what they have in pot, you will enver get lunged lol

[woeful latch]

exactly lol

[indigo gulch]

Ignore the first part I said then, okay

[valid brook]

Nah. bug. touching rocks and trees is a feature, touching the ground isnt

[normal shuttle]

So like a predator’s footsteps as it runs at you? Good then and would fix plenty of issues

[urban flax]

Audible or visible
But subtle in either case

[woeful latch]

so it’s stupid idea just because you said so?

[indigo gulch]

Holy frick you STILL missed the part

That’s impressive cheesy

[lucid mauve]

Its tons of safe drinking spots, your either lazy enough and take the risk or go to a safe spot. Your choice

[woeful latch]

well they said they will give it more of a lurking playstyle, we don’t know what that means but could mean what i said

[normal shuttle]

Yes. I am just not a fan of deino being able to end someone’s +3 hour run with one button press as they approached with 0 care about remaining concealed. Murky water carries and that’s it.

[indigo gulch]

I’ve heard of selective reading but you are proving it right there

[valid brook]

thats the fundamental problem that is being debated

[valid brook]

no need to go to insults.

[woeful latch]

why are you always so aggressive towards me? you really need to chill marj lol

[valid brook]

try redescribing it instead of insulting

[lucid mauve]

But its no problem, your choice. I can choose to go thru a hotspot or around aswell.

[indigo gulch]

Not an insult, an observation

[woeful latch]

you’re getting mad over nothing

[valid brook]

right but its the lack of interaction. you are choosing to avoid a playable rather than interact with it. on a small scale thats fine. but when the majority of the playerbase is doing it, theres a fundamental flaw that needs to be improved upon

[indigo gulch]

Because you always try to act like you know everything and when people point something out, you pick out 1 particular thing and ignore EVERYTHING else.

[valid brook]

kinda like when cera could make you spam vomit. that was a fundamental flaw that found many people avoiding interactions with cera

[normal shuttle]

And it is also something that crocs can’t do anything about. They stand no chance when most players just go there and newer ones are also quickly taught to use safe spots as well

[lucid mauve]

I dont wanne interact with a deino. Its called surviving. You dont wanne interact with everything as X dino.

[indigo gulch]

Like I said, I think: 1. The idea is stupid. 2. It doesn’t fix the issue because most deinos are in ponds nowadays, which dont require sprinting. 3. It is unrealistic and ruins the ambushing even more

[woeful latch]

no? deino is not a problem only at the ponds, what about rivers? delta?

[valid brook]

exactly my point. there should be less of a need or desire to want to go to these safe spots. make the interaction between 2 players fun. rather than boring, really, for both

[woeful latch]

there’s 2 ponds on the map with the deino

[indigo gulch]

Also you before: every water source has a deino in it and walking around to avoid it is annoying

[woeful latch]

quite opposite, it rewards for ambushing and doesn’t let deino sprint from one side of the lake to the other

[valid brook]

interaction doesnt have to be positive. running through the woods as a teno being chased by 2 carnos is interaction. if you die, you can atleast say it was fun having that chase. prey or predator. when was the last time you drank at an unsafe spot, got got by a deino, and went "wow. that fight against that deino was fun!" thats what i have an issue with

[indigo gulch]

@thick summit remember our testing without sprinting?

[normal shuttle]

Yet you can survive while regularly seeing and either fleeing or fighting ceras. But here the thing with deinos is to completely avoid any place that could have them, not even like herras where you can fight or even ambush them.

With deinos you just go where they are not, as they are too busy cannibalizing each other and eating the newer players because there’s nothing else to eat and no amount of skill will ever allow them to catch a human being with worse than average reaction time if they are drinking by the south plains safe spot

[woeful latch]

there could be a deino, or maybe not, you never know

[woeful latch]

stay at the part of the pond where people drink so you don’t have to swim for too long

[indigo gulch]

If a deino manages to find you at the spot you just HAPPENED to drink for a few seconds, he SHOULD be rewarded

[lucid mauve]

You saying i should interact with a rex as teno ? But i dont wanne fight the deino, i wanne fight stuff that i can fight. That is surviving, if everything is equal. Then something is wrong.

[normal shuttle]

Like dude, NO AMOUNT OF SKILL will ever give you a single kill as a deino from players who use safe drinking spots. Literally nothing. At least herra can do something about it, deino can’t

Deino is completely powerless rn

[woeful latch]

exactly, stay at the part of the pond where people drink and grab them.

[valid brook]

an interaction between teno and rex could just be the teno escaping being hunted.

that doesnt exist with deino. the "interaction" with deino is to avoid all interaction

[indigo gulch]

Yeah and guess what? That completely negates your “makes sprinting audiable” suggestion.

[woeful latch]

don’t sprint from one side to the other and then grab

[urban flax]

Which means it's not subtle enough

[indigo gulch]

Hey hey hey do you know what resource you have to use to drown someone?

[lucid mauve]

Yea if the rex ambushes you, but you seeing a rex as teno. You dont need to run, you dont need to interact at all. Cus the rex knows exactly well it will never catch you either.

[normal shuttle]

Literally just never see one other than resting or eating at the opposite shore. Thats how you deal with deino and that is how deino sees others. So fun and interactive

[indigo gulch]

Stamina

[woeful latch]

“lurking playstyle” kissen was talking about sounds a lot like something im suggesting right now

[indigo gulch]

Guess what you use a lot of while sprinting?

[woeful latch]

you don’t need even half of your stamina bar to kill
things

[indigo gulch]

It takes half a stamina bar to drown a teno

That is full hp

[woeful latch]

teno has more oxygen than others

just drag it and then bite 2 times

[indigo gulch]

And does it take a lot of stamina?

[woeful latch]

if you can’t drown it

[indigo gulch]

Yes

[woeful latch]

well then you failed i guess

[indigo gulch]

Oh, but teno is an excellent swimmer (and even better when it gets its deserved water swim buff)

[woeful latch]

doesn’t matter, drag it and bite it, that’s what deino players do, why would you waste your stamina for drowning it?

[normal shuttle]

If you see the rex coming before it is in killing distance, you were either very aware and thus having an active interaction with other playables constantly or the rex ambush wasn’t good enough. But it is fair for both sides.

It isn’t you choosing to gamble and risk instant death with no escape, nor is it you doing a simple thing that 100% invalidates your ambusher’s playstyle with zero counterplay

[valid brook]

well. rex is fast enough to, but even if its not. thats still interaction. thats still something you need to actively do something for. you still need to look out for rex to be able to avoid it or escape it.

there is no interaction with deino besides death, avoiding interaction, or the occasionaly "oh wow theres a deino right there. lets go elsewhere", which then leaps back onto avoiding interaction (sorry for late response, had to yeet some cheaters)

[woeful latch]

you only drown something that has a lot of hp, something small you just bite 2 times and it’s dead

don’t waste your stamina.

[valid brook]

exactly

[indigo gulch]

does matter

[woeful latch]

doesn’t, and i explained why

[lucid mauve]

Yea, but not sure where you going. Skill can be discussed, rex not gonna be very skillfull when u actually bite something. But the surviving part can be hard, and to get close enough can be hard. As omni i dont need to spend much skill finding something or hunting. But it is alot harder to kill something.

[indigo gulch]

“That’s what deino players” is not a source bro. I’ve seen barely any deino players do that. Why would your source outvalidate mine?

[lucid mauve]

Yea i get your point, but if you choose to go to a safe spot to drink. That will also mean you are also more likely to interact with something else. Not deino tho. And i see pteras but i dont interact with them in any way.

[woeful latch]

common sense, why would anyone waste the stamina drowning something that they can kill in 2 seconds

i got some friends playing deino and that’s what they do

it takes ages to drown teno, don’t waste your stamina on that, just kill it

[indigo gulch]

And I’ve got friend playing deino and they don’t do that

[woeful latch]

good for them

[normal shuttle]

Rex is going to be an ambush hunter, the skill is in sneaking up to players as a giant carnivore and getting in killing range, which by then the kill is totally warranted. Design should be accounted.

But one thing for sure, drinking at a safe spot to completely negate a playable is not skillful, and neither it is to w shift in a straight line right in front of someone but they’re completely unable to see or hear you and they grab you with one button and drown you because you so happened to go to drink to that section of the delta as a maia and even if you saw it right on you, you don’t have time to escape.

[indigo gulch]

That just means that it isn’t a trustable source

[valid brook]

just seeing the ptera is interaction, especially when they decide to peck or 2 call you. or scream over your head. and in response most people attempt to jump up and knock them down.

And again, thats my point. going to a safe spot to avoid interaction with another player in a multiplayer game is a flaw in game design. In a multiplayer game, PVP or PVE, you should be seeking player interaction, not attempting to avoid it

[thick summit]

Yes

[woeful latch]

game gives you an opportunity to make your life easier by just biting small things instead of drowning, if you don’t well that’s on you

[indigo gulch]

How much water did you get without sprinting as the thirstiest dino? 90%? While I had meta mutations?

[indigo gulch]

Game gives you opportunities to drink at safe spots and you complain it’s annoying to go there because of croc

[woeful latch]

it’s that’s a good thing? that only means you can’t sprint from one side of the lake to the other to grab things, you should actually be close to do that.

which means if there’s no safe spots to drink and you decide to risk it you know you will have few seconds to drink for sure before the croc grabs you

[thick summit]

94

[valid brook]

that is the most efficient way to kill anything in the water. grab them. place them in water, bite, they get close to shore, grab. bring back. bite

[thick summit]

As a dilo

[woeful latch]

yeah

[thick summit]

And nobody starts drinking at 0%

[indigo gulch]

Oh right because THAT’s interaction and realistic

[woeful latch]

good, that means it’s not guaranteed that you will get grabbed

[lucid mauve]

So we should just add thress everywhere to then? Cus i drink alot of spots where there is no three so i can 100% be sure there is no herrera. You can go places where no way a rex can sneak up on you. If you go in dense area, your taking a risk.

[valid brook]

its more than being drowned. considering in real life most gators dont actually drown their prey

[thick summit]

Crocodilians death roll their prey to death

[woeful latch]

that doesn’t even matter

[valid brook]

or something similar atleast

[indigo gulch]

“One side of the lake” bro doesn’t know what we tested but I’m glad you assumed👍🏻

[normal shuttle]

Git gud

[valid brook]

we can have a debate/conversation without the passive agressiveness.

[woeful latch]

you sent a video tho, i know.

[desert arch]

[lucid mauve]

Exactly, its called surviving.

[real gazelle]

No because that's not realistic, there's going to be areas where it's just completely open

[indigo gulch]

If that is “one side of the lake” to you, I would like to know what the opposite side is

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message

While we're on the topic

Perfect example of how to not fix deino

[woeful latch]

hm?

[normal shuttle]

Doesn’t make the deino experience and design any less uninteresting and mind numbing

[indigo gulch]

Oh and they were drinking in plain view of a deino that was close. Shouldn’t be punished?

[lucid mauve]

No but if you are going that path, so should others? Like open places should have bushes for rexes etc

[woeful latch]

you did it at the west rail pond, the deino was pretty far away when dilo started drinking.

if it was closer then the deino could easily grab it

[normal shuttle]

@thorn field deino isn’t meant to be a reliable problem for 8-10 ton creatures. Just not by design.

[thick summit]

Just make it a stance rather than a grab if deino is that problematic

[normal shuttle]

Kissen just said this yesterday brug!!!!

[indigo gulch]

Meh it would work for swimming maybe, but not for drinking. Deino has no problem getting swimmers so this wouldn’t really fix the issue

[thick summit]

Deino is already having a not so great time

[woeful latch]

deino is a small game hunter👹

[normal shuttle]

Mark my words, gang

Bary will be the better deino. Or at the very least spino will, unless that rework is actually godly

[thick summit]

I beg to siffer

It can fight trikes in the water

[indigo gulch]

WEST RAIL POND?!

I’m sorry?!

[woeful latch]

it doesn’t tho, deino still has by far superior swimming speed, beipi is probably the only thing that can outswim it

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-mmm-cheesy-cheese-cheesy-gif-19257011

[lucid mauve]

Maybe, not sure what better is. For survival i also think so

[woeful latch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1232185340425404427/1345776273183473716/cheesy.gif

[thick summit]

Cheesy...that was water access

[desert arch]

Deino swims ever so slightly faster than a beipi

[thick summit]

Deinosuchus is a crocodilian

[indigo gulch]

You don’t even know the water places we tested😭

[thick summit]

Of course it's gonna be fast in the water

[woeful latch]

i guess my memory card got messed up

[normal shuttle]

For viability as it won’t crumble because of no fish or the presence of water predators or cannibals around, and also better at getting around safe drinking spots

[thick summit]

Also

When rex drops there'll be less deinos to worry about

[indigo gulch]

Which changes the outcome immensely

[indigo gulch]

True actually

[desert arch]

Wait arent there like 4, 100% safe spots at water access lmao

[lucid mauve]

I agree, you will prob have alot more options with it. Run/fight etc

[woeful latch]

yes lol

exactly 4

[indigo gulch]

Who would test something at west rail pond….that doesn’t do anything. That’s common sense of testing

[indigo gulch]

Remember how we drank there as omnis and the deino couldnt do f all🤣

[desert arch]

😭

[thick summit]

Why would you wanna play the big thing that's forced to stay in the water if you could just play the even bigger thing that can murder big things too

[indigo gulch]

Even with the extended lunge

[woeful latch]

yeah that discussion is like few weeks old at least, i don’t remember everything

[thick summit]

It's been 2 weeks

[indigo gulch]

Still, common sense to use a decent testing ground and not a pond

[thick summit]

I drank in the open too

[woeful latch]

it’s honestly the same with any new playable, with any playable added there’s less players playing old playable, it’s not really about the rex, tho i think deino players will still play as deino

[thick summit]

Depends

[woeful latch]

deino is aquatic, it has its own playstyle and stuff, deino players will stay deino players lol

[indigo gulch]

Mains will be mains

[desert arch]

People barely played maia after it came out because everyone thought it was doodoo

[woeful latch]

exactly

[thick summit]

On community servers you'll find players who play the animal because they like it and not because of some stupid meta

[desert arch]

Being new or not doesnt really matter after the first week or so

[indigo gulch]

Ignoring the fact that 90% of the deino players play it because it’s the strongest carnivore

[desert arch]

What matters is how pvp capable that creature is

[thick summit]

A lot of deino players play it because they wanna be the big thing

[woeful latch]

NO lol, you can say that about cera, but not the deino

[thick summit]

It is true

[desert arch]

90% of deino players play it because of yellowtones lets be real

[woeful latch]

big thing in the ecosystem with just other big things

[indigo gulch]

Those people look at stats cheesy, not at mechanics

[lucid mauve]

I also like playing big dinos, i dont need to be any killing machine. But survive chill and decent at defending that would be a dream : )

[thick summit]

I love medium sized animals

[woeful latch]

i could agree, like people choose cera because it’s arguable the best land carnivore.

in case of deino there’s nothing to choose from, it’s just deino

[thick summit]

And well....ceratopsians

[indigo gulch]

Same with MH “I wanna do big damage so I choose great sword”🤓 (no offense to great sword mains guys)

[thick summit]

Hey!!

[woeful latch]

it has its own slow phased play style old people like

[thick summit]

Great sword has a great kit :(

[indigo gulch]

You get my point diablo

[thick summit]

And I save my fellow hunters from flames, blasts and other heavy attacks

[indigo gulch]

Meanwhile me, the insect glaive player

[thick summit]

And people do play deinosuchus because it can murder

[desert arch]

Marj is a grandma confirmed

[golden horizon]

#general-feedback message its not 3 seconds, its more like 0.5

[woeful latch]

😳😳😳 get exposed!!

[thick summit]

Why do streamers play deinosuchus first before trying literally anything else

[indigo gulch]

Don’t you fricking push it child

[thick summit]

Because big thing = carnage

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-potato-i-am-here-gif-14395414711838718685

[woeful latch]

i thought they play cera, every time i see someone streaming the isle it’s just cera

[indigo gulch]

If you sent the marj meme now I’m killing you in our next session

[desert arch]

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-eating-potato-kitty-asmr-gif-17215228159060317844

[indigo gulch]

Ye usually

[woeful latch]

dw i got this one

[desert arch]

I know what I have to do, but I dont know if I have the strenght to do it...

[thick summit]

But all of the "I wanna the big thing" players will realise that deino isn't as good at killing large stuff as rex

Screw autocorrection

[indigo gulch]

I’ll grab my meme, don’t you start

[desert arch]

No Ill be good I promise😇

[thick summit]

they move on to cera after playing deino for a while

[indigo gulch]

I am older than potato tho that’s true

[desert arch]

Cant wait for every streamer to play rex and complain its hard to grow

[indigo gulch]

Lmao true

[desert arch]

It will be absolutely hilarious

[woeful latch]

lmao

[thick summit]

I'm about 82 million years old

[woeful latch]

only isle streamer i watch is amarok🔥🔥🔥

[thick summit]

I miss the good old days

[golden horizon]

#general-feedback message you mean desynch ?

[indigo gulch]

Even dinosaurs act like boomers🙄

[thick summit]

I watch some guy called "the dondi" on twitch

[desert arch]

Cant wait for the new Summit1g rant video after trike drops 🥹

[indigo gulch]

Who?

[woeful latch]

oh that one doesn’t stream often anymore

[woeful latch]

he’s so cringe holy shhh

[thick summit]

IT'S SO OP!!! MY CERATOFJXHDUWHD CAN'T SOLO AN APEX

[desert arch]

A streamer who had an asbolute meltdown him and his friends couldnt kill a whole stego herd as ceras

[indigo gulch]

I don’t follow complainers so who?

Skill issue honestly

[thick summit]

They were overpacking too

Major skill issue

[indigo gulch]

[woeful latch]

i like when people have a chance to ask a dev important questions, but instead they’re asking why they die to stego power swing as something 6 times smaller

[thick summit]

Like bruv...you don't have to fight it

[indigo gulch]

Tbf stego tail hitbox is very….inconsistent

[woeful latch]

no way a HERBIVORE can kill me😔

[thick summit]

OH OH AND THE LEGENDARY QUOTE "it's a dinosaur pvp game"

It's a hardcore survival game

[indigo gulch]

If that’s their complaint I hate to point them out what elephants do

[desert arch]

The pvp game when hypsi dies to a baby boar in 1 hit:

[woeful latch]

🥹

[indigo gulch]

Isnt baby boar bugged tho? Does the same damage as an adult?

[desert arch]

Yeah it does

[woeful latch]

yes

btw the deer now fights back as well lol

[desert arch]

Pretty sure they faster than a juvi troodon now too

So thats cool

[woeful latch]

hell yeah

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/la-creatura-gif-896524482214019370

[woeful latch]

we need 25km/h juvie troodon with venom please

[thick summit]

The objective is to survive...but you won't survive for long if you charge headfirst into a 6 tonne animal with thagomizers three times longer than your skull

[indigo gulch]

Listen bro, I’m sorry but sometimes it just feels like you’re selectively picking out stuff from my explanations and I already deal with that on almost a daily basis so I get SO annoyed by it. So sorry if that ends in some passive aggressive behavior

[thick summit]

GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAH DEINOSUCHUS IS NOT A CROCODILE

Also, no.

[indigo gulch]

“If it looks like a duck, eats like a duck, and swims like a duck, it’s probably a duck”

Nature: nuh uh

[thick summit]

😭

[woeful latch]

don’t worry about that, this channel is the most toxic one and i see why people are getting angry discussing balance all the time, it’s just everyone has their own opinions and stuff.

i think we should all agree anything we discuss here doesn’t even really matter, we can ask devs to remove meta mutations or buff troodon for years, but honestly they just do what they personally want. they listen to community time to time, but they change stuff only when they agree as well.

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/victor-sad-come-home-gary-gif-24572311

[woeful latch]

everything we discuss is just how we think game should be balanced, we can’t really tell the devs what to do, we can only suggest

[desert arch]

"Troodon"

[woeful latch]

“victor” LMAOO

this is so random, but i love it

[desert arch]

Unviable troodon makes me go crazy

[woeful latch]

baby troodon (compy prey niche)

[faint tapir]

I love this new troodon. Ive gotten insane amount of kills this HT build, if you count Compy. I also dont die to fall damage since the slower spead, my old brain has time to react.

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-the-isle-gmod-troodon-troodon-the-isle-dilophosaurus-gif-9629496049012538059

[faint tapir]

😂

[woeful latch]

i’ll be honest i didn’t like baby troodon being that fast, but i would like it to be at least 20km/h not 13🥹

[woven bane]

what was wrong with its old speed?

[woeful latch]

same with the maia, i think for the playable that can only run during its stage it’s just too slow

[woeful latch]

it was a bit uncomfortable to play as something that small and that fast at the same time

[desert arch]

Juvi galli speed nerf when

[faint tapir]

noted. will pass it up

[desert arch]

It can go almost 70kmh with good diet, proper mutations and flock boost

[woeful latch]

yeah i have same issue with the juvie galli, but at least it’s not that small, sometimes i can see myself in the grass

honestly i would also want some juvie teno speed nerf, just a slight one, i think its animations is a bit speed up

[desert arch]

Big juvi teno going omni speed with speed mutations 🗣️

[woeful latch]

sub*
BUT IKR it’s like 46 something lmaoo

but it’s also like the same weight as dilo

[thick summit]

Nerf teno

[desert arch]

Please

I wanna mop then even harder as cera

[thick summit]

And after the teno nerf

Nerf troodon AGAIN

[woeful latch]

i agree, it needs negative swimming speed nerf

[thick summit]

Teno is fast enough

It doesn't have to go deino speeds

[woeful latch]

i never said that

but at least same as maia

well not at least, that’s literally what i want

i don’t want it to be faster

[thick summit]

Maia needs a swimming speed nerf

It can already run fast enough to escape larger predators

[woeful latch]

yes

[thick summit]

Cera and teno would have to use the water when outnumbered by allos or smth

[normal shuttle]

I find it hilarious how people are kinda suggesting things that are being discussed here

But poorer and they get downvoted to hell lmao

[indigo gulch]

throws out obvious troll suggestions throws out a real one I see your tricks wizard!

[normal shuttle]

Lemme throw a true troll suggestion

[thick summit]

Hell yeah

[normal shuttle]

Oh god

That one is terrible

@dull mural maybe stop assuming that everyone is your friend even if they physically cannot eat you? Devs aren’t going to make rules for something like that in official servers, and you can simply go into an unofficial if reading body language of other herbivores is too hard for you at the time being

[normal shuttle]

I hope you’re ready for what is about to come

[indigo gulch]

Is it the one with 300 downvotes?

[normal shuttle]

What?

[dull mural]

im not assuming anything but when you charge me will im fighting something else thats lame

[indigo gulch]

Just a guess

[indigo gulch]

There are unofficial servers for that

[dull mural]

but it is more realistic to have them 3 call

creatures do that in the wild

im not saying cerato or deino should have to 3 call

but a trike on trike most def

[indigo gulch]

Oscura has that as a rule. Try that server maybe?

[normal shuttle]

So what? Should they just nicely sit around and wait for you to heal instead of killing two birds in one stone including herbivores that eat rare nutrients like papayas?

And you have unofficial servers with rules for that

And no, animals do not make a loud noise before attacking. If they want you dead because you’re too close they will run straight at you and kill you

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message AHAHAHAHAH

[normal shuttle]

Or attack you sporadically in a way that you cannot tell like that one video of a zebra hitting a warthog out of sudden

[indigo gulch]

Just take an agressive pose. One simple “f with me and I mess you up” usually does it

[woeful latch]

this is fire

[dull mural]

bro no animal just attacks another one of its species without yelling first. if it at least had to 3 call i could leave if you want the food or fight you

[indigo gulch]

Just swim underwater and log elsewhere….

[woeful latch]

yes lol

[dull mural]

but its lame to sneak you for no other reason besides you wanted to

[indigo gulch]

I mean, yeah it is, but there are no active server admins on 24/7 and how are you gonna program it?

[dull mural]

literal make if the same species wants to full out attack the same species a simple 3 call first makes it available

[woeful latch]

i don’t think that’s a good idea

[dull mural]

why tho

[normal shuttle]

Didn’t know sharks, sea lions, giraffes, elephants, buffalos, bulls, gorillas, macaques, dogs, bears, chimpanzees, hares, horses, pigs, deers, seagulls, pigeons, jaguars, pumas, eagles, octopi, snakes and other thousands of different animals never attack their own without screaming their lungs out first, good to know

note the sarcasm

[woeful latch]

because why would you announce that you want to kill something? just kill it

[dull mural]

they literally do besides the ones who eat each other

[normal shuttle]

Maybe just learn that not everyone is your friend and that if they don’t look friendly they might want to kill you?

[dull mural]

because most animals will proclaim dominance before fighting for it

[woeful latch]

the isle is not friendly place, i fought a canni carno few days ago, didnt expect that to happen, but this is how the game works. there are cannibals, everywhere

[dull mural]

at least carnivores could maybe eat you

with a mutation

a herb will never be able to eat you

so they only want the food around so yell for it

claim your land

[woeful latch]

if i’m the trike i would 100% kill the other one if it’s in my patrol zone, because it will eat all the food. i’m not gonna announce it, i will just kill it

[normal shuttle]

They don’t???? They attack with very subtle warnings or none because if they want to attack one of their own with truly hostile intentions, they will not voice it out loud

A chimp that wants a rival dead will run at it and immediately start clobbering and biting it, not screaming at it first. Same goes for monkeys when they see other males doing something not approved in the troop, or dogs when another one enters their turf, they throw themselves at it and start mauling it.

[neon wedge]

yeah a herb may not be able to eat you but killing you will get rid of competition

[normal shuttle]

Man

[woven bane]

“canni” herbis is the only thing saving the servers from megapacks rn

[normal shuttle]

This just stinks like gamer rage

[woeful latch]

yes

[dull mural]

i understand competition and im not mad at it

[indigo gulch]

Okay. You coding that as an aoe circle or something? How would the system detect a full out attack?

[normal shuttle]

and in the game it also has practical uses. If I am a stego and see another, I won’t 3 call it so it can scurry away and eat my plants

I am killing it on the spot

[neon wedge]

then why are you upset about being killed by your own species? if you take their resources it's perfectly reasonable to kill you

[dull mural]

Well yes somewhat like that you can just reduce the damage to same species until one of the parties 3 call unlocking full damage.

[indigo gulch]

There was way too many ways to circumvent any punishment like that

It’s like those mixpacking suggestions. The idea is there, but in practice it simply would not work due to the rest of the game

[woeful latch]

@dull mural i see why you want this, but it’s not going to happen, you just need to trust people less, this game is not friendly towards anyone. it’s just how the game works. i’m not saying friendly players are minority, but you will find other animals of your species that will try to kill you, or a herbivore trying to kill the other one even when there’s no reason to do that. it’s a hardcore survival, no one is gonna announce that they want to kill you

[indigo gulch]

If I come running at you with max speed, I don’t necessarily HAVE to have the intention to hit you, but I would get punished anyways

[dull mural]

im not trusting other players im getting snuck while fighting other things or just walking around.

i mostly run from other players

[woeful latch]

yeah, it’s the isle, everything wants to kill you

[dull mural]

if you could eat me im not mad with it

[woeful latch]

you can play on community server where KOSing is forbidden

[dull mural]

i do

[woeful latch]

then it shouldn’t really be an issue for you

[dull mural]

but im playing trike rn and i think the canni stuff is lame

[woeful latch]

food competition, no one will announce that they want to kill you, they will just kill you

[woeful latch]

you can do this tho

[faint folio]

I think canni trike will be less common if you give it 2-4 weeks after release. Every creature release I can remember has a period where canni is WAY up because everyone and their dog is playing the new creature

[woeful latch]

dibble HT was crazy like this too, everyone was killing each other

it’s what people do on HT

[dull mural]

yea i alway knew ht was a canni fest but at least make it fun 3 call me and we can fight i just dont see the appeal in sneaking the same species

but it looks like yall like that

[woeful latch]

no one likes to get killed, but if you got ambushed by something that’s just your fault

i fought a cera pack yesterday and when i got one of them to low health the rest decided to kill it for food instead of hunting me, that was insane but that’s what people do

[dull mural]

i wouldnt be mad with that

they can eat me

im fine with the circle of life

[faint folio]

I don't like canni behavior either, but realistically I don't think the devs are going to add that mechanic, and also a LOT of herbivore species that are attacking to kill (as opposed to semi-ritualistic competition over mates) are completely silent prior to attack - only using body language to announce intentions

[woeful latch]

herbivores kill for food too, they will kill you so you won’t eat the food in their patrol zone

i never really did that, but i totally would

the only reason i don’t is because herbivores are really rare nowdays, compared to carnivores ofc

[lucid mauve]

I hope trike will kill every herbi it can it it needs the food, it looks like its intentionally aswell if you look at the trike drawing

[lapis swallow]

I mean, it kinda has to if it wants a good diet

[dull mural]

yea i fight other herbs for food but i 3 call i claim my land as an apex

[woeful latch]

even on petits it’s usually 2/1 on officials it’s honestly more like 3/1 or even 4/1

[lapis swallow]

if I was in a trike herd, I would totally slaughter other herbies if I needed diet and they were there

[normal shuttle]

You see, from the perspective of a canni trike since day one, why the hell would I allow 20 trikes running around when even a whole migration zone can’t even keep me as a lone trike for more than an hour or two?

[woeful latch]

i would 3 call too before i kos a herbivore, but you can’t really force that on others

[normal shuttle]

Just get better dude

That’s the best way to deal with it

[dull mural]

lol low quality bait

[normal shuttle]

(Semi) realism servers really are just a crutch for bad players and I really mean it, because they create barriers that prevent people from learning proper survival and awareness skills

I actually believe that. You are not in a truly hostile environment so you are shocked when suddenly that is the case

[faint folio]

Plus honestly... A lot of times you can tell just by body language whether another animal of the same species is sizing you up. And although I do appreciate the warning of a 3 call, I kinda just expect that other players that havent proven themselves friendly will probably try to kill me

[normal shuttle]

Officials and low ruled servers are places where players almost never have trouble with that at large

And it’s not because of their luck

[woeful latch]

yeah

[normal shuttle]

It is because they also have learnt different ways to deal with third partying, at least the good players who are aware and are insightful about why they died

Don’t wanna get randomly beaten up by someone who just arrived? Pick your fights properly then and know how to manage your stamina and resources to disengage when things turn ugly

[normal shuttle]

^^^^^^ also this, by being observant you can already tell what they want

[indigo gulch]

Being able to tell body language is actually also a very good skill to have irl

For a lot of things actually

[lucid mauve]

I mean deino trike is just numbers game, not skill. 2v1 beats the crap outta 1

[normal shuttle]

No need for a 3 call and having this absurd damage reduction thing until someone three calls like in fallout 76 early on, where people abused that to instantly shut down any aggressor since they had the freedom to start and consent the attack and could open up the real fight with their strongest move

[faint folio]

Had to learn that in another game where all playables can group together. You can't tell from appearance alone whether someone is friendly or hostile

[normal shuttle]

I am not trying to insult you, Sifu, nor is this bait

But seriously, git gud. That is all you need

And I told you how. I cared to explain myself

Instead of pointing and laughing

[normal shuttle]

Its a skill you also need irl, so its a nice layer of skill

[faint folio]

Also, although I haven't played the isle ruled servers in a while, I did play PoT on a server with the 3-call rule for a bit. It was... Kind of painful. Not the least because I don't recognize the aggressive calls of all the dinos in that game, and because you basically had to forfeit an ambush advantage to announce yourself

[normal shuttle]

It is dumb

Just removes stealth completely

And also sabotages yourself

[indigo gulch]

#general-feedback message wouldnt this invalidate pz and mz?

[normal shuttle]

Since for example on the isle, as I’ve said, I don’t want a herbi to run away just to eat at my patrol more subtly

Or let a little carnivore run away to grow up and kill me later when I had a perfect chance to ambush it as a pachy

[faint folio]

The most commonly broken rule on that server was not waiting for a contest to be issued and accepted.

[woeful latch]

i don’t think so since food doesn’t really spawn often outside of mz and pz, it’s just some you can find on your way from mz to mz

i think it would be a nice addition especially for something slow like stego or trike, takes ages to migrate

but i think that feature is in the game anyway, but those plants are just not on your diet somehow, even tho they should be

i often have an issue with plants being on the diet only when it’s a patrol zone, once pz changes gets disabled the food is suddenly doesn’t give me any nutrients

[vital laurel]

If you’re big enough you can hunt deino too, if you are careful enough you will find evidence of a deino, I’m not saying you can’t get more interaction, I’m just asking how? Like if a Rex gets its jaws on a Maia what more can you do? Nothing but hope he has to little stamina, shouldnt been caught in the first place, that is hard to do with deino thought as he relies on being unseen, sure more bubbles and waves when he is moving, but what more can there be?

[vital laurel]

Deino can work against mega hotspots, thus goated

[full valve]

rex really looking more and more like devil jho types of attacks

[indigo gulch]

Well that’s about the impact on the ecosystem that I expect it to have so that fits

[knotty sage]

anyone had this issue in hordetest?

[woeful latch]

yes, happens when you change the graphic settings

[limber hull]

@sudden tapir "Why did I get the reactions and he didn't?"

Mf blocked the bot lmao

[woeful latch]

you need to restart the game

[balmy gazelle]

#general-feedback message @dire bear im pretty sure those changes she was refering to were also said to be coming in the hordetest (not sure though)

[sudden tapir]

Ah, yeah that's kinda funny

[limber hull]

hes so allergic to downvotes that he's blocked the bot to ensure that he never gets any

[knotty sage]

so is there a way to change the settings to make it run better without breaking it?

[woeful latch]

dondi said on stream that technology is not ready lol

so they can’t even implement the mechanic they want for troodon

[balmy gazelle]

yeah but did he mean right now or for the whole duration of the hordetest

[woeful latch]

but they nerf it now for some reason

[desert arch]

What kind of buff could be so complex that it takes months to develop 😭

Probably copium but that must mean its a massive buff

[woeful latch]

i think i sent you a video

like so troodon doesn’t die from one hit or something

[woeful latch]

PROBABLY LOL

[desert arch]

Yeah so like take away its identity completely

Make it not glass, but also not a cannon

[woeful latch]

lol

[desert arch]

So what is it, worse omni?

[woeful latch]

basically lol, like at this point it’s 100% worse omni

i mean, you can krill a troodon during its dismount animation, let’s be real here

what can be worse that that

[cold zephyr]

does anyone know why na4 ht doesnt have any mz's or pz's by chance? how are we supposed to grow with no diet??
\

[woeful latch]

it’s needs so many fixes at this point it’s not even funny

[desert arch]

I died to a maias back kick yesterday while dismounting 💀

[woeful latch]

😶‍🌫️

[desert arch]

Maias kicks hit you even if youre only touching its side, I started dismounting the moment it kicked, touched its side and died

[woeful latch]

😔

[desert arch]

At this point spiro troodon is better than what we have in ht

[woeful latch]

yesterday i was fighting maia as omni, bit it like 30 times before random cera that i was fighting before showed up 2 called maia and they both decided to hunt me LMAO

that was a lucky day for that maia

that was kinda unrelated, but i just decided to share

[woeful latch]

tbh spiro teno was better than the current one as well

😔😔😔

[desert arch]

Spiro teno had asthma

6% for kick 9% for slam was nuts

[woeful latch]

teno and troodon, 2 punching bags for the devs

[desert arch]

You had to fully commit to a fight if you engaged because you couldnt run after

[woeful latch]

i honestly don’t mind that, it’s movement was smoother, the kick and tail slam used to do more damage…

[desert arch]

Real ones remember when tail slam used to do 350dmg

[woeful latch]

and it was fine because it was pre stam rework

[woeful latch]

i think i definitely wasn’t playing evrima during those times

[desert arch]

Well, it was peak lemme tell you that

[woeful latch]

350 tail slam is unhinged

[desert arch]

Anyways gonna download legacy and play velo because even that thing is better than current troodon 😭

[woeful latch]

one shot an omni🫥

[woeful latch]

lmaooo

[harsh sun]

#general-feedback message It's literally one of the distinguishing features of Carnotaurus and the rest of it's group 😭

[normal shuttle]

@tame locust you mean the arms it is supposed to have?

[thick summit]

#general-feedback message

😭

[indigo gulch]

what kinda bait feedback is that x)

[unreal ridge]

@manic ore Trike's damage is fine, the 600 damage biteforce is just trike's default headbutt
With Alt attacks i believe its 800 (?) damage and with sparring attacks soon to come and the ability to stun and knock over stego, trike is in a fine place damage wise

stego also needs that damage to fend off said trikes
although it seems like stego is overpowered for being able to do this, it also has 3.5k less health
so being able to output 1.2k damage in a single mace whip, let alone how many times stego can spam it, is necessary for stegos survival when it comes to being rushed by not only adult trikes, but also sub adult trikes which are faster than stego and still have the capabilities to knock stego over

also with a damage reducing head, similar to diablo, trike also has the ability to just bum rush stego and take hits to the face to be shrugged off
stego has to position itself to swing in a way that it will hit trike's body/neck

Again, with subadult trikes, this is increasingly hard because they are fast and able to knock over stego, providing little counterplay than raw damage

[normal shuttle]

just trying to help deino, man

because objectively speaking, it is subpar in land

[lapis swallow]

its goofy af

[normal shuttle]

right, can we agree?

not right with that

[normal shuttle]

it's not, basilisks do it irl

[unreal ridge]

yeah but basilisks also have special adaptations to do that

you couldve picked something young alligators do

[indigo gulch]

when we said anything can help deino we didnt mean this xD

[unreal ridge]

alligators and crocodiles burrow, they dig deep holes to get away from the elements
maybe propose that young deinos can dig hideaways from the elders so they have an adequate space to rest

this would also give spino something cool to do
imagine spino putting its head down and listening to soft chirps under the riverbank and just snatching a young deino like a polar bear grabbing a seal

the current way people survive is by using the reeds and nooks and crannies at the bottoms of lakes to avoid detection
playing an apex like deino requires some forethought when growing

[normal shuttle]

well The Isle doesn't have to be realistic

we can agree to disagree but TI isn't realistic, factually speaking

[unreal ridge]

yeah but a baby alligator running on water is just not happening

a heavy basilisk lizard is at most a pound

you want 330 pounds to run on the surface of the water?

[normal shuttle]

we have herras elbow dropping dilos and raptors without feathers who eat goats

so agree to disagree

I explained my point well, deinosuchus needs to be good and a nice start would be its early game

[unreal ridge]

yeah but those are just two completely different things

one is a fun game mechanic the other violates all laws of nature

i can see some plausibility behind someone genetically engineering a herrera to be able to leap from great heights
or a scaly raptor to appeal to shareholders who like jurassic park

but what the hell is a 330 pound crocodile doing running on the surface of the water? its not even like thats going to save it
an adult deino can lunge faster than a young crocodile can run

the way you survive is dodging and weaving among the reeds and murk of the river bed and hope to god he doesnt catch you

and if you are lucky you find a fallen tree to hide in

[lucid mauve]

How can it take the hits? Like in one of these clips it get clapped with ease by the stego. When he did it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C60qyKth4cY&t=93s

[unreal ridge]

confusing what i said with a bad trike player
2:08 you see the trike lose all momentum, stop to pivot and gets wacked 4 times (he is also not an adult so he gets stunned by the mace)
2:15 he stops again and continually tries to dodge and weave as the slower creature, allowing the stego to close distance
2:30 he tries to face stego again poorly and dies for it

the way you play trike is the same way you play diablo, you dont stop moving
trike is able to screw over stego by using its sheer mass + running flip attack to knock stego over and get extra damage by head butting and goring stego

plus with sparring and trike receiving a block + 360 movement + new attacks
theres no doubt in my mind that trike is weak here, that is just a bad player

[lucid mauve]

Im talking about the fg trike who got clapped with ease even he standing in the stegos butt

Yea sparring will make diffrence that is true

[unreal ridge]

also not a good use of trike's kit, its the same thing if he were a deino

he could've held lmb to ram forward and stun stego

[lucid mauve]

Honestly im not even sure if those stego hits hit the trikes head , looks more like hits on the back

[unreal ridge]

yeah stegos tail is also reaching over the frill to tap the body

look at 5:40, thats a great play by the trikes, trike is able to completely flip stego

[lucid mauve]

Yea good play, but still ambushed out from a bush lol 2v1

[unreal ridge]

granted lol

we can also say trike is so new people dont know how to effectively use it

while stego is kinda just simple, point and click to win

[lucid mauve]

yea im fine that, if your cera and you stand infront of that trike. U sorta deserve it lol

[unreal ridge]

all im saying is that when trike gets sparring, stego should tread lightly lol

besides both being apexes, its kind of a situation of who is better anyways

[sonic mica]

Saw someone saying this somewhere and it’s a bit weird.
2 deinos being able to grab a bigger dinosaur and drown it together.
It feels like an overkill don’t it?
I can’t imagine crocs actually collaborating on a kill. Correct me if i’m wrong

[unreal ridge]

on the contrary, crocodiles absolutely do collaborate to kill stuff
it happens on the nile every migration!

[sonic mica]

That’s pretty interesting

Could that possibly be a feature in the game tho?

[unreal ridge]

typically, the biggest oldest croc latches onto the largest animal he can find, and as soon as he gets a good grab
all the other smaller crocodiles come into "help" drag it into the river (they all want food so its better to help and get a bit of meat than to not help and get none)

also nile crocodiles are incredibly social and do communicate when hunting or just lounging

[unreal ridge]

i could definitely see it being a feature, as deinos can operate in pairs
it would make sense to have them have some sort of cooperation

[sonic mica]

And once other semi aquatics like a spino is added, deinos would actually have a small chance instead of it being completely one sided

But deinos would have a higher bite force I reckon?

[lucid mauve]

deino will loose fast to a spino

[unreal ridge]

the developers have already argued against that unfortunately
(which in my own opinion doesnt make sense, crocodiles have an insanely high biteforce)

[modest dock]

Deinosuchus had a bite force stronger than Trex, and i say that as a rex main

[unreal ridge]

deinosuchus did not have a biteforce stronger than tyrannosaurus, as someone who also enjoys rex, i will stay by current knowledge

deinosuchus did have a strong biteforce, rivaling rex tho

rex had a biteforce of about 35,000 newtons
deino came in a close 23,000 newtons

[modest dock]

Wait, thats true ? I must learn again

[unreal ridge]

crocodiles also excelled at slamming their jaws shut, which amplified the blow of said bite however

[lucid mauve]

Yea but in game, deino does not need high bite force. It got grab. Not good vs large stuff it cant grab

Prob need to adjust its kit if so

[unreal ridge]

which is why a human is able to hold a crocodile's mouth shut if you have a good grip

[modest dock]

Paleo data is weird tho, what i have found about it a while ago was saying rex had a bite force up to 50000-57000 newtons while deinosuchus having it up to 70000 or more, i think i saw that on a dinofax video some time ago

[unreal ridge]

hm interesting

well when this argument comes up I always like to remind people rex also had foot long teeth
so even if its bite wasnt the strongest, whatever thick skin you had isnt enough (unless you are anky lmao)

[lucid mauve]

I got this lol, we will never agree : Comparison
Raw Power: Deinosuchus likely outclasses T. rex in peak bite force (23,100 lbs vs. 12,800 lbs max estimates). This makes sense—crocodilians are known for extreme jaw strength relative to body size.

Context: T. rex was a terrestrial predator relying on speed, size (up to 40 feet long, 9 tons), and bone-crushing bites, while Deinosuchus (30-50 feet long, 5-10 tons) was semi-aquatic, using ambush tactics.

Damage Potential: T. rex could bite repeatedly and tear flesh with serrated teeth, while Deinosuchus excelled at single, devastating clamps—perfect for dragging prey underwater.

[modest dock]

Yeah thats what i found too or almost

But they were built differently , i don't see an issue about deinosuchus having a stronger bite force but i agree with the devs on that, he should be location locked and only sticking around the water and being destroyed on land

[unreal ridge]

yk what would be funny
since rex is used to fighting other large carnivores by grabbing the muzzle/neck to hold their face/break they face
and crocodillians have a really really really tough time openning their mouth once its being held closed

I could imagine rex just grabbing deino by the face and simply dragging it out of the water while deino can only thrash it's neck around trying to free itself

[unreal ridge]

oh thats another thing, if deino is location locked i feel like it should have domination over that location
deino obviously gets destroyed on land because its slow and fat and cant move adequately
but in water deino should obviously reign supreme because of its aquatic abilities

didnt Dondi also talk about spino having to run along the bottom of lakes/rivers because its too heavy like a hippo or something

deino could just sit at the surface

[lucid mauve]

Yea i remember he mention something like that, or was that the deinocherius he meant

[unreal ridge]

probably both, i dont see why not

[lucid mauve]

I think anky can go under the water, i hope it can just say hello to a croc and goodbye when it leaves water lol

[modest dock]

Yeah thats the point where i disagree with the devs, Spinosaurus is a monster i know especially in this game, but at most it should compete with deinosuchus and having some same level of interaction rex is going to get with triceratops, deino shouldn't just leave it should be a little bit more complicated than that

[indigo gulch]

Me looking at the people downvoting the “revert troodon nerf”

[modest dock]

Sure i think spino could destroy deino but that should also be situational

[unreal ridge]

seriously 😭

"hmmm cerato seems pretty strong... better make troodon unplayable"

[indigo gulch]

@leaden bronze “add dilo to omis diet c:
diablo and maia are there bc of junevile, but dilo isnt always a carnos prey?” Wait don’t you mean omni instead of carno at the end or vice versa?

Where did the carno come from?

[modest dock]

Troodon current situation is crazy

[indigo gulch]

And somehow people want it nerfed

[unreal ridge]

"just scavenge"

dude i cant even get to the food without starving

[indigo gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[unreal ridge]

wdym

[modest dock]

I wish they nerf cerato and make both carno and cerato on the same tier as it used to be, before there was many carno and cera players, now i see only cera

Remember on spiro when we used to hear everytime "WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH"

[indigo gulch]

Read the feedback. “Put dilo on omni diet” “but isn’t dilo always a carno’s prey?”

[unreal ridge]

carno is on omni's diet because omni can overpower and pin carno

omni is on carno's diet because carno can take advantage of solitary omnis or young omnis

come to think of it, why isnt tenonto on omni's diet?

[indigo gulch]

No but I mean it’s talking about putting dilo on omni diet but suddenly it’s talking about dilo being on carno diet

It’s talking about 2 different things at once

[unreal ridge]

ah

[leaden bronze]

diabls is in carnos diet bc of junevile diablo

[indigo gulch]

Read what I said above this 👆

It’s a correction, not a critique

[thick summit]

@pliant elm just make stego's trot faster

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message @strange wave thank you for being the only person who gets it

Like dude, juvenile deino is SO BAD

It needs more than just numbers. It needs unique mechanics

Bro, STOP DOWNVOTING

I NEED THE DEVS TO READ IT

[urban flax]

If only you could come up with unique mechanics which aren't stupid

[normal shuttle]

How is that stupid??

Basilisks do it

And so did Jesus

[urban flax]

Basilisks aren't 150kg

Jesus neither

Also it's not really a mechanic
It's exactly the same thing as making it swim very fast on the surface
But with a stupid animation

[normal shuttle]

In all fairness

We have many stupid animations already

[urban flax]

That isn't a reason to make extra stupid ones

[normal shuttle]

Like Omni clinging to something’s back while weighting like a polar bear and also ptera taking off like a goose

[urban flax]

If deino was an entirely fictional lizard, then maybe I could see it water running
But it's a gator
It has absolutely no reason to be doing that

[normal shuttle]

Also I disagree. Since it has lizard body it would be easier to make than with theropods or ceratopsians

[thick summit]

😭

[normal shuttle]

What

[urban flax]

It hasn't got a lizard body, it has got a gator's body
It's got tiny legs

[inland vigil]

If anything should be able to run across the water it's troo
It would not look good with deinos

[urban flax]

Also the double standards tho
You say nothing can make titanoboa interesting and believable and at the same time you come up with THIS

[normal shuttle]

Small ones

[urban flax]

150kg lol

[inland vigil]

Small deinos would still look wrong doing that

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-driving-car-gif-24331643368581285

[inland vigil]

They just don't have the anatomy to be running like a basilisk lizard

[urban flax]

A basilisk is less than 1kg, to put things in perspective

[inland vigil]

I think it would be interesting for another dinosaur though, maybe something in the future

[normal shuttle]

Okay, give longer legs to the juveniles then similar to T. rex

[urban flax]

LOL

[inland vigil]

They really do not need longer legs- anatomically that makes no sense

[urban flax]

Why go through all of that bs when all you're asking for is literally nothing but higher speed

[inland vigil]

I mean the idea is cool. Running across the water would be fun
But not for deino

[urban flax]

It would make sense for an animal who is not aquatic to begin with

Why even run on the water's surface when you're the best swimmer in the game

Imagine being a beipi and getting ran down by a deino in the middle of a lake
ran down

[inland vigil]

Lmao

That sounds funny

[gusty flax]

@dense meteor @lucid mauve @robust leaf why disagree

[inland vigil]

Stego haters

[normal shuttle]

Listen

[dense meteor]

Trike is apex stego is not

[normal shuttle]

Deino would look dumb as a fresh spawn outpacing an adult one in the water

with its tail only

[inland vigil]

Apexes should not be able to trot things down 😞

[normal shuttle]

It needs to run over the surface m

[urban flax]

Then make it outspeed them on land

[dense meteor]

they can if ur trot is slowe than thier trot

[urban flax]

Because THAT won't look dumb of course

https://tenor.com/view/bait-used-to-be-believable-baited-jebaited-bait-i-got-jebaited-gif-1296286127798996733

[gusty flax]

trike trot is faster than stego

makes no sense

[inland vigil]

Yes but that doesn't make sense
Trike should not be faster than stego. It's much larger

[dense meteor]

trike is apex

[normal shuttle]

Listen, it is a sci fi game

We could have baby deinos that are tiny doing that

[inland vigil]

And stego very poorly defends against it

[gusty flax]

so is stego???

[dense meteor]

who says trikes cant trot faster than stego

[gusty flax]

and it means stegos are unable to live

u need to make it balanced bro

[urban flax]

There is science in science-fiction

[inland vigil]

They DO currently

[normal shuttle]

Just give them basilisk hind limbs and then maybe they change over time until they are proper crocs and not cgi lizards

[dense meteor]

just run away lmao dont go near a trike dont engage with a trike just run and hide and if ur caught well ur caught get over it

[inland vigil]

For balance trike should not be able to trot down a stego

[gusty flax]

so a trike is larger, stronger, faster

[dense meteor]

correct

as intended

[gusty flax]

so basically its impossible to play stego

[urban flax]

I have a better idea
Give them flying lizard membrane so they can glide from tree to tree, and they lose it as they grow

[dense meteor]

not true

[gusty flax]

Wow great game im sure people would love it

[gusty flax]

give me a scenario where stego beats a trike without saying a trike is afk

[tribal warren]

why play stego when you can just play trike which is like 100% better then?

[inland vigil]

There's zero reason for trike to be able to kill stego 100% every time

[dense meteor]

you can play stego lol but if a trike kills you cause his trot was faster than urs that sounds like a you problem

[inland vigil]

They need to be able to eacape

What??????????

[urban flax]

Or make deino go through a larval stage where it's a theropod before it makes a cocoon and becomes a croc

[dense meteor]

whyd you even get close tot he trike

[gusty flax]

bro WHAt

thats the stupidest thing i ever heard.

[inland vigil]

I cannot even
That is the most preposterous take ever so I'm done with this conversation

[tribal warren]

sounds like a big problem of "this dino big and spikey MUST be able to murder everything and not be killed ever" syndrome ngl

[gusty flax]

-1/10 ragebait

[dense meteor]

literally how the game is built if a dino is stronger bigger faster you just dont attack it

[urban flax]

Oh, what if baby deino had ankylosaur-like tail club so it can break larger ones' jaws in order to escape ?

[gusty flax]

its different when u have 0 chance of living when trike sets your eyes on you

every dino has a way of escape, stego is doomed

[tribal warren]

i was talking about trike being the spikey one here

[normal shuttle]

In all honesty, there’s basal dinosaurs who did that

[gusty flax]

oh lol

[tribal warren]

all good dw

[dense meteor]

run in the trees dont stand in the open all the time

dont get close to a trike

[gusty flax]

it doesnt matter if your near trees once a trike sees you your done

[urban flax]

No, nothing transitions from being a theropod to a croc

[dense meteor]

simple a trike is an apex a stego stand 0 chance against a trike thats how the game is intended to be

[urban flax]

Nor the other way around

[tribal warren]

the game is also intended to be entertainment. getting merked by something with 0 chance is not fun

[gusty flax]

in a situation when they fight yes but not in a situation where a stego is unable to escape too

[gusty flax]

exactly

[dense meteor]

thats like saying give troodon more bite force cause it cant kill a trike

[tribal warren]

in real life i can see it. sure. but not in a game

[thick summit]

it shouldn't be dead if the trike lays eyes on it though

[gusty flax]

your not even thinking about entertainment ur just saying "trike is stronger so it should win "

[gusty flax]

no but a troodon can run away from trike, it can hide from trike

use ur brain mate

[dense meteor]

if a rex sees you and wants to kill you he wil, devs have said this over and over, same can go for trike

[tribal warren]

a good troodon pack can take down a trike too if they wanted because that's skill. Im not saying a cera should be able to 1v1 a trike tho. some skill should be needed

[dense meteor]

if you dont like that a trike can our pace a stego than im sorry but its built that way, thats how this game is suppose to play

[thick summit]

that is misinformation

Dondi said rex will be very slow

[gusty flax]

yes but im sure a rex is unable to face tank a stego like a trike can

[inland vigil]

Rex can't catch most things just btw just fyi

[tribal warren]

rex will be slow enough to outrun if it doesnt get a good ambush in

[thick summit]

it needs to ambush to successfully bring something down

[tribal warren]

that is its niche. big brute that needs to ambush things

[thick summit]

THAT'S what the dev said

[urban flax]

So the way the game is supposed to be played is that everyone should forget about the existence of stego and just play trike instead ?

[tribal warren]

do research on what the devs actually want for the game and its dinos before starting a fight

[urban flax]

Makes perfect sense that they would spend thousands of dollars and literal months to develop a playable creature only to make it redundant once they add a bigger one

[dense meteor]

if you want to not be killed by a trike than yeah

[urban flax]

And you see no issue with that ?

[dense meteor]

no its not look it up

[urban flax]

Why does stego even exist then

[dense meteor]

i do but im not the developer lmao its not my game i have no say in what and how things go im just telling you thats how its going to go

[gusty flax]

@dense meteor the problem with your "trike is stronger so it should win" arguement is that yes obviously if they went head to head with each trike would come out victorious most of the time, but when you are completely outmatched in way such as HEALTH, SPEED, ATTACK, then its unfair, and for dondi its important to have a balance with all dinos overwise no other playable will be fun to play

[tribal warren]

giving everything a reason to play is what the devs want. you cant have a diverse ecosystem if everyone is a trike or rex just because theyre the better versions of everything else

[dense meteor]

theres no balance in nature, a bird always has the upperhand against a cricket

[tribal warren]

you just get legacy again doing that

[urban flax]

that's false tho
The devs have stated many, many times that they're trying to make the game playable

[gusty flax]

you gotta remember its a game

[urban flax]

Also the feedback channel exists for a reason

There's nothing wrong with calling a bad idea a bad idea

[dense meteor]

youre preaching to the wrong guy

[gusty flax]

@dense meteor when they release humans they should nuke the dinos

[tribal warren]

says the one who brought up nature

[thick summit]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxquzZBl4ehe9pDRgnLDBKs4lbBoyHS38K?si=xKKemiBQaDflQclQ

[gusty flax]

would you complain?? @dense meteor

if they started nuking dinos because its what humans are capable of

u shouldnt right

by ur logic

[inland vigil]

Okay let's just all agree that duru has a bad take and ignore the negative feedback because he doesn't understand balance

[dense meteor]

i have numerous times it doesnt matter what i think the game is built how they want the game to be built whether you like it or not and want to continue to play is up to you

[inland vigil]

Just wipe the x from your memory

[gusty flax]

i cant wait for dondi to release nukes for humans and seeing u complain

no balance in "nature"

[tribal warren]

lets also not forget trike is literally released in a very incomplete state rn. doesnt even have spar. its current stats are not permanent

[inland vigil]

Trike is all sorts of bogus atm in terms of growth and animations and food

[dense meteor]

trike will always win against stego, just like a stego will always win against a pachy

simple

[tribal warren]

stego should still be able to escape at least

[inland vigil]

Stego will not always win against pachy because pachy can RUN AWAY

[tribal warren]

pachy is faster than stego

[gusty flax]

bro, you keep making these points but the problem is that PACHY CAN ESCAPE STEGO AND STEGO CANT ESCAPE TRIKE

ur lowering my iq

[dense meteor]

it can escape ur just getting too close

[inland vigil]

Justice for stegos

[thick summit]

Stego will never beat a trike but stego should be able to escape

[inland vigil]

If a trike logs in next to a stego what is it supposed to do

[tribal warren]

stego rn is the slowest land mammal in the game everything can escape it

[thick summit]

it trots almost twice as fast

[dense meteor]

stego can escape just dont get close and dont let trike see you simple

[inland vigil]

@dense meteor

[gusty flax]

very few chances where ill see a triceratops far from me when we meet at the same migration area, or you gonna tell me to never go migraztion zone

[tribal warren]

and what if that trike has its render distance extremely low to where the bushes and stuff dont spawn in? then the stego stands no chance

[dense meteor]

ur dead siomple

[thick summit]

also duru

[dense meteor]

get a better pc

[thick summit]

watch the clip

[inland vigil]

Stego should be able to out trot or out stam (when running)

[tribal warren]

dude i literally have the best graphics driver on the market.

[inland vigil]

But the issue is that stego runs and then trike trots

[gusty flax]

ur stupid asf lol

[thick summit]

rex doesn't just win if it spots you

[inland vigil]

So you literally cannot win. You cannot escape

[gusty flax]

get a better pc for someone elses render distance

[tribal warren]

i can play this game everything on epic and get over 100 fps

[dense meteor]

exactly

[tribal warren]

literally my pc doesnt affect their settings

[unreal ridge]

what are we talking about here

[gusty flax]

where is the point of playing stego then

[tribal warren]

stego is just a sad trike at that point

[thick summit]

that'd invalidate all three of the rules of survivability

[dense meteor]

for the views my guy what else would you play stego for ur a herb you eat and walk thats it

[gusty flax]

every dino has to have purpose to play, if your playing stego to lose 6 hours of progress then ITS PERFECT FOR YOU

[thick summit]

it can't escape, it can't fight and it can't hide

= not acceptable

[tribal warren]

in nature if something cant fight, it can run or hide. if it cant run or hide, it can fight. stego cant do any of that against a trike very effectivley

thats just not balanced at all

[unreal ridge]

stego can pretty adequately fight back and flee from most stages of trike
however there is some discrepancies among the different ages of either creature

[dense meteor]

sounds like ur going to have fun playing stego when a rex sees you from across the plains and chases you down, you cant run, you cant hide ur 100% dead

[tribal warren]

stego will be able to outrun or at least out stam a rex

[urban flax]

That's why stego has been buffed with powerswing
So it can fight off a rex

[dense meteor]

find friends group up use ur friend as bait

[thick summit]

rex isn't here yet. We know its health and I did the math. Stego can three shot rex

[tribal warren]

rex will not be a terminator. its an ambush predator that relies on not being seen

[unreal ridge]

yeah no
rex vs stego is going to be a lot more even than people think
stego does 1k+ with a swing, and rex can grab legs and knock stego over

[thick summit]

Stego can survive rex

but stego can't survive trike

[unreal ridge]

so long as you at least know how to play stego, you should minimize rex's ability to even attack you

[dense meteor]

misinformation rex isnt out yet anything you have seen is subject to change and nothing is guarenteed

[tribal warren]

then why are you so adamant on rex being this omnipotent creature?

[thick summit]

its health has been confirmed and data mined. Yeah, it can change but I doubt it will

[unreal ridge]

?

[tribal warren]

not you

durus

[dense meteor]

im not you guys just think im just saying this, but this is literally how the game is being built, if a dino is faster, stronger, bigger you really only have luck to decide if you live or die, its just the game go play it and find out

[unreal ridge]

stego may be the underdog in these situations but it does have the capabilities to fight back

unfortunately not a lot of players have the forethought to think of what will happen AFTER a fight, so they bum rush, lose 90% of their health, celebrate and then die to a raptor pack who just watched them go from death to deviled egg

[gusty flax]

a rex wont be able to face tank it like trike can

[thick summit]

nope

the isle follows the three rules of survival

[cyan flame]

Solution, wait until server settings and mods, make stego proper apex, there we go. Until then, either accept you're dead if you get caught by certain playables no matter what, or play something else.

[gusty flax]

trikes can face tank a stego as they have head damage reduction by 70% ish

[unreal ridge]

yeah rex doesnt have any of the facial armor that trike does, while trike can just literally put its head up stegos butt
rex is taking the same headshot multiplier than everyone else does

[unreal ridge]

up to 90% when trike gets a block to

[dense meteor]

thats because carnis or not asd favored as herb because herbs need to have some sort of incentive to play herb which is ur tanky

[gusty flax]

exactly

[thick summit]

Flight, defence or hiding

[unreal ridge]

stego is already an apex with some of the high damage output among them

whats rex's health?

[thick summit]

if it can't do any of that it's in serious trouble

[leaden bronze]

divinity: that would create some serious beasts

[cyan flame]

If stegos end up being unplayable, then well, either the devs will do something, or they're fine with no stegos, in either case, mods and settings can and will fix it if it's a problem

[thick summit]

9.35k

[gusty flax]

ay guys according to durus logic, if humans was given nukes it would be competely balanced since its "nature"

[thick summit]

the 90% -damage from larger animals omniraptor on its way to facetank a ceratosaurus, allosaurus and deinosuchus at once

[gritty heart]

Dw, it would kill the human too due to the island size

[inland vigil]

Petition to give humans access to the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs

[gusty flax]

id love a game where humans spam suicide nukes

completely balanced ngl

[cyan flame]

Honestly not sure if it's to be considered one or not, but my point was more so that stego could be buffed to full power, (8T weight and such) which would probably solve the issues, especially if you also adjust attacks a bit (could eevn lower damage a bit with more health to work with, and adjust knockdown/stun thresholds).

[gusty flax]

in favour

[gritty heart]

The dinosaurs were sinning rampantly in the late Cretaceous, so God had to punish them 🙏

T dex didn’t even fold its hands together in prayer!

[dense meteor]

proof that some dinos are just going to beat you in every category and ur only chance of survivale is staying out of the way

[unreal ridge]

9.35k - 1,245 per stego mace swing (stego gets about 6 of those since it costs 15% stamina to my knowledge)

1,245 x 6 = 7,470
use the headshot multiplier (i believe is 1.5, stego has a 1,75 headshot multiplier)

1,245 x 1.5 modifier = 1867

1867 x 6 = 11,202
more than enough to kill a rex

[inland vigil]

I don't even want to stego to survive in a 1v1 with a trike (survival should be extremely rare!), I just want stego to be able to AVOID trike. Just being able to trot away

[inland vigil]

So you're just going to believe some random booster

[dense meteor]

hes repeating what a dev has said

[gusty flax]

source is made from a fuking random

[inland vigil]

The devs are working VERY HARD to balance rex in all stages of life my guy

[unreal ridge]

lets say rex retains its 1,200 damage biteforce from legacy

rex has to bite stego 5 times to kill it

[dense meteor]

you can literally go look this up

[unreal ridge]

stego gets 6 swings, rex gets 5 bites

[gusty flax]

send source

[cyan flame]

And this is why they might put them on unofficials only, unless that's changed

[unreal ridge]

stego has range, seems pretty even

[dense meteor]

im trying i cant do from: in the search for some reason its broken

[inland vigil]

Rex vs stego is a matchup that makes sense and trike vs stego doesn't

[unreal ridge]

yeah trike wins

[inland vigil]

Trike should not be hunting stegos

[unreal ridge]

trikes got a shield and spears on its face, stego cant really do nothing besides run away

[inland vigil]

And if it does then stego needs to literally just be able to do anything to escape

STEGO CANT RUN!!! that's the problem!

[unreal ridge]

oh word?

[cyan flame]

Could also make it so trike can only knockdown if it hits stego body, at which point stego attack would reach behind the frill, potentially weak neck, making it a bit less safe for a trike to just go after a stego

[gusty flax]

it cant run a way either

[inland vigil]

Trike TROTS DOWN a stego 😭

[gusty flax]

thats the problem lol

[unreal ridge]

stego should be faster in all ways

[inland vigil]

Even if it runs it ends up without stam and then the trike wins regardless by trotting

[gusty flax]

if it had a chance to run then i wouldnt be complaining

[unreal ridge]

yk the biggest problem i have with trike is that its one of the fastest swimmers in the game

[normal shuttle]

30 downvotes. So many haters ong

[unreal ridge]

with hydrodynamic trike is able to beat a deino in water

[inland vigil]

I'm a hater

[gusty flax]

the problem is ur littearly confirmed dead if a trike sees you

[unreal ridge]

just a bad suggestion

[cyan flame]

Honestly not sure making stego faster overall is good either, then we might get stego death squads hunting down trikes

[inland vigil]

No I don't want stego faster, I want trike trot slower

[normal shuttle]

It’s a good one

[inland vigil]

It is too fast right now

[normal shuttle]

You’re just deadset in your beliefs and won’t change your mind

[inland vigil]

My beliefs are that gators shouldn't run on water

[unreal ridge]

that a 150kg crocodile shouldnt run on the surface of the water? its not that hard to see my beliefs

[normal shuttle]

Haters

[gusty flax]

nah i think stego trot to be same or faster than trike would solve the issue

[unreal ridge]

its just a bad suggestion, im not calling you a bad person its just not a good suggestion

[normal shuttle]

You all just hate deino

[unreal ridge]

if thats what being a hater is then sure im a hater

[inland vigil]

Stego trot is honestly already pretty good

[gusty flax]

theres really no other way to buff it without making it too strong for other dinos

[unreal ridge]

bro i literally spent all night arguing with kissen that deino should be able to fight apexes in water lmao

[inland vigil]

But if it was just slightly faster then trike I wouldn't mind

[normal shuttle]

Like man, if it is so unbelievable for you just give it something like a larval stage where it can run in the water

And then it gets in a cocoon

[unreal ridge]

I think you just dont know how to play deino?

[inland vigil]

.

The ragebait has gone too far

[dawn hound]

whats happening

[inland vigil]

He's gone into bizarre territory

[unreal ridge]

he wants a 330 pound animal to run on water

[dawn hound]

which?

[normal shuttle]

Deino

[unreal ridge]

young deinos

[dawn hound]

run on water? like a basilisk?

[inland vigil]

He wants baby deino to be able to run on water like a basilisk lizard which the idea is cool but like. Why deino

[normal shuttle]

Juvenile deinos running over the surface of the water yeah

[unreal ridge]

dude basilisk lizards weigh AT MOST a pound

[dawn hound]

why a crocodile...

[inland vigil]

Deino does not need to be able to do that

[normal shuttle]

Viability

[unreal ridge]

maybe give this to pteranodon? giving it to ptera might be cool

[dawn hound]

like id deinos werent already skillless to play as already lmao

[gusty flax]

might aswell give deino some fuking wings

[unreal ridge]

i think if ptera could do the emergency take off over water it would be phenomenal

[normal shuttle]

Look at me in the eye and tell me I am ragebaiting

[unreal ridge]

but why deino? i really think you just dont know how to play deino

[unreal ridge]

you are ragebaiting

[dense meteor]

Balance is not the focus

[unreal ridge]

dryo

[dense meteor]

So I would say if your getting close to trike and ur letting a trike see you just don't let it

[gusty flax]

hes reffering to balance as in everything same hp, same damage same everything

balance is still implemented in the isle but its different

however theres absoultly no balance when you play a dino that is garantueed death and unplayable

[dawn hound]

Basilisk feet are long, strong and have some bigger surface area. They also dont weigh alot, about 600 grams. A baby deinosuchus weighs about 50 kg if i am not mistaken.

[gusty flax]

such as troodon vs trike, troodon can escape

cera vs omni, omni can run away

trike vs stego, death sentance

[unreal ridge]

triceratops, did you mean troodon fodder?

[dense meteor]

It's not guaranteed ur just getting too close to a trike or ur staying in the same area as trike, if you see hear or even think a trike is just over the hill and it might attack me or chase me down, just don't go that way and find somewhere else to go

[inland vigil]

This doesn't benefit your point as it says they give animals tools to survive

[dense meteor]

A stego has ears and a tail and a big group to be in

[inland vigil]

Stego needs to be able to flee a trike to survive, it has no hope of doing anything else

Ridonkulous take but I'm done with this

[gusty flax]

you dont realise that trike will always catch up to you, no matter what even if your far. the only far distance that you can escape is if your far enough where your a fuking pixel on their screen

[unreal ridge]

nerf trike trot speed then

[inland vigil]

Spamz please never ping anyone who downvotes you ever again . My heart cannot handle the silliness

[dense meteor]

And this isn't "my point" read it again I'm just telling you how it is and if you don't like it balance is probably not going to be on the list of changes

[inland vigil]

This is what we're saying

[normal shuttle]

You are correct

[wooden agate]

sorry i just got here what animal are we talking about

[unreal ridge]

force of habit

[inland vigil]

Balance is on the list of changes because trike is currently being balanced ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[normal shuttle]

You were all in shambles

[inland vigil]

Ok bye

[gusty flax]

trike vs stego, im explaining how stego will be exstinct off the game because of trike

[dense meteor]

Probably not in the way you think it is

[unreal ridge]

Schrödinger's ragebaiter

if people agree = genuine suggestion
if people disagree = rage bait

[gusty flax]

fr

[dense meteor]

Also I don't think every trike is chasing down stegos

[gusty flax]

haha

are u even playing the hordetest mate

[wooden agate]

i wouldnt worry too much until trike/rex release together and we see the dynamic they introduce between themselves before assuming what theyll do in their final form to the current roster

[gusty flax]

point of the feedback now is so that they fix it when it officailly releases lol

[dense meteor]

Wait so a new Dino came out and people are testing things and are doing things they wouldn't normally do just to see what a trike can do?

[gusty flax]

what

[dense meteor]

Trike is being built for Rex

Stego isn't even a concern

[gusty flax]

bro im loosing brain cells fr

[dense meteor]

Same

[wooden agate]

yeh i get that, its important to remember that alot of the problems made by trike are being made 10x worse by the fact 90% of every HT server is trike tho which naturally will just kind of lead to more of the situations where you are just screwed lol

[gusty flax]

it doesnt matter if its a bunch of people, im reffering to 1 on 1

[dense meteor]

This, it's a test server for a reason, in reality you'll maybe get 2 or 3 trikes killing stegos and then when other trikes see that they will most likely just kill those trikes, that's usually how herbs play

[cyan flame]

As soon as we get settings and stat stuff, all of this will be resolved, until then, just play or don't, no real point in arguing it, the devs have questionable balance ideas, that's nothing new, but their game, their rules, hence unofficials can do their own thing

[wooden agate]

ive seen stegos kill trike, albeit they have to get pretty lucky.

your best chance at is avoidance if youre on your own

[gusty flax]

my point is that a stego is unable to do ANYTHING against trike, it cant fight it because trike can facetank it with its 90% damage to head reduction. 2. it cant outrun the trike because their trot speed is 2x faster meaning it will catchup to you always

[dense meteor]

1 on 1 a stego loses against a trike maybe a raaaarrre case but 90% ur going to die

[gusty flax]

@wooden agate

[wooden agate]

what do you think is going to happen to stego when rex drops

[dense meteor]

I'm trying to tell them this and they just keep losing brain cells apparently

[gusty flax]

bro u keep mentiong rex like the rex will be the knight in shining armor for the stego