general-feedback-discussion

[inland vigil]

Rex is meant to be an apex. Cerato is not. It's not rocket science

[hazy pier]

it should be since it's not a big diff, it cant instant puke stego, but diablo for sure

diablos weak spot is also stomach where cerato injects most of bacteria

and it takes full charge bite to insta puke it

[limber hull]

Which is far too easy

[inland vigil]

Not to mention with cerato you can gastro heal to full even if you do get punished by whatever you're hunting

[limber hull]

Cerato's faster than dibble and stego and can also instapuke. It's dumb

[hazy pier]

skill issue

[hazy pier]

dibble has much better turning

[limber hull]

No it doesn't wtf

[hazy pier]

best one in the game

[limber hull]

You're trolling LMAO

Dibble's turn rate is ass compared to cerato

[inland vigil]

Mfw he's a cerato fanboy

[limber hull]

He'd have a problem with cerato's instapuke if allosaurus were in and got instapuked

[hazy pier]

we can end it here cuz I can see your knowledge so far

buy hands boy's

[limber hull]

what

[hazy pier]

learn mechanics in the isle

[limber hull]

i was QA i literally know all the mechanics LMAO

[hazy pier]

and doesnt know that dibble can do 200" turn, and doesnt know that dibble cant knock over 2 at the same time so far

[limber hull]

the drift is not the same as the turn lmao, and it got nerfed very recently

[hazy pier]

nott the same but better

[limber hull]

cerato's turn is the best in the game, it's nuts

cerato is literally just ez baby mode atm

[hazy pier]

said diablo fan boy

I think it's as fair as possible at this stage of the game

[limber hull]

i dont even play diablo lmao

or at least, not that much

i just think cerato being baby mode is lame, and so do most people

[hazy pier]

👍

[cyan flame]

Its a rex, an actual apex, of course itll be powerful. Cerato is a small scavenger. It should not be hunting dibble, much less stego. The point of the scaling bacteria was to make cera more effective vs smaller targets and way worse vs larger ones. Which currently does not seem to be the case.

[queen mortar]

cerato as it stands is almost as fast as non-speed mutation carno if it grabs the speed mutations. i wouldn't be opposed to giving cerato a little bit extra defense by default to compensate for making it slower

to go with the Bile Delay, i also think that multiple bites should still accelerate that process and i forgot to include that so thank you for reminding me!

a little bit more tankiness and allowing multiple bites to induce sickness faster would maintain how devastating it is to go against one.

in the end, i think its okay for cerato to have some bad matchups, and I think it would be more sensible for it to rely more on scavenging instead of rushing other players and using vomit as an offensive tool

[tight iron]

you do realize without speed mutations carno runs at 49.5 and a cera at 40.2 iirc right

smol edit i said it worng thats the context for the convo below

[hidden mist]

Yeah… Saying “as fast” is too much of an exaggeration tbh xd

[tight iron]

i mean that's quite a difference if you ask me...

[queen mortar]

with the mutation, it puts cerato at 44.205

[tight iron]

wat

[hidden mist]

And extra defense won’t really help slowed Cera if it’s being aimed at by a Diablo’s size things (which already runs 36,5 iirc compared to 40.5 Cera’s?).

[tight iron]

44.2?

hol tf on

[queen mortar]

with the speed mutation yes

[hidden mist]

No way. 5% of 40 km/h is at max +2.

[tight iron]

no that's impossible

5% of 40.2 is 42.2

like 5%+

[queen mortar]

i just calculated it

[tight iron]

same

[hidden mist]

It’s barely faster than a Teno with speed mut, it can’t run 44,2.

[queen mortar]

42.1 x .05 = 2.105
2.105 + 42.1 = 44.205

[hidden mist]

Cerato’s basic speed is 40.2, not 42.1?

Tenonto runs 41.2 iirc, lol.

[queen mortar]

thats what that guy said

[hidden mist]

What guy?

[queen mortar]

i don't have the speeds in front of me

the other dude here

[hidden mist]

Okayish, but Cerato’s basic speed is no faster than 41 km/h that’s for sure.

[desert arch]

Its 40.2

0.1kmh slower than teno

[tight iron]

cera speed is 40.2

so the mutation one is 42.2

[queen mortar]

this is what i was working off of

[hidden mist]

Oh. Welp it was wrong then. Cera’s basic speed is 40.2.

[queen mortar]

can we confirm carno as well

[hidden mist]

Carno is correct.

[queen mortar]

alrighty

so he was probably thinking of ceratos speed mutation velocity, which is 42.21

[hidden mist]

Yep, Carno’s one was stated without the mutation and Cera’s one is with it, lol…

[tight iron]

OH WAIT IM STUPID

crap my bad

[queen mortar]

its nbd

either way, i don't think slowing cerato down a little would effect its matchup with carno

esp since it can go toe to toe with it now after carnos resize

[tight iron]

i mean it wouldnt

but why not just make carno run at 55.6 again

[queen mortar]

i'm not talking about carno though, thats a whole other discussion

carno can be faster, idc

[tight iron]

i see i see

[queen mortar]

it is even faster with charge tbf

[tight iron]

also considering how teno and cera speeds are pretty much "perfectly" balanced, teno would need a small speed update

40.2 and 40.3 🤷‍♂️

[queen mortar]

i'm not too worried about that matchup, theyre pretty even too

its close enough that i would call it a skill check

but i think having cerato be just tanky enough that its not a smart fight to take willy nilly for teno is appropriate

[tight iron]

yea im not either

i was just mentioning that we dont want tenos just running down ceras with ease

[queen mortar]

for sure, but i think with a bile rework you can make cerato a big enough hazard to ward off most petty attacks

you reminded me of something else too

[tight iron]

yeah maybe, im not sure

depends on how they do it i suppose

[queen mortar]

yeah

you're not gonna like this next one

charge bite should only be usable while trotting, not sprinting

forgot to add that in there

[pseudo slate]

its 42.5 or something not 44

[tight iron]

yeah my bad

[tight iron]

im pretty much indifferent

but i think thats a big ass nerf

[tight iron]

also was responding to him saying it was 44.2

[pseudo slate]

if it was 44 cera would be fkin op

[tight iron]

lolz yea

@round tapir

but nah letting juvies escape pins would be dumb

yes it sucks i agee but it is what it is

[queen mortar]

a friend of mine thinks its too much too, i adjusted it so that Cerato charge bite slows down its speed

so sprinting is still possible, just less fast

[tight iron]

i dont know what to say about that tbh, i think it's fine besides bile thing but 🤷‍♂️

[round tapir]

This Utah was the same size as me.

🤨

[tight iron]

r u sure

how big were you

like in kgs

[round tapir]

It literally was.

[tight iron]

but how big were you

[round tapir]

Bruh Idk

[tight iron]

well i mean i dont know what to say

you got pinned, it's gg i guess...?

[round tapir]

Still needs fixing. Utah was my size.

[tight iron]

no it doesnt need fixing

[round tapir]

If the Utah is my size and can pin me and I die, then how is that fair?

[tight iron]

cause you small as hecc

[round tapir]

🤨

[tight iron]

well i cant see well right now due to some funny things but from what i can see he was about fg and you were about 400kg

[round tapir]

This is not a "mountain lion vs rabbit" situation.

Still same size, anyway. I'm done discussing.

[tight iron]

oki

[desert arch]

@small widget an out of stam stegos swing already deals less damage. It goes from 1250 to a bit over 900.

You just cant really feel the difference cuz 900 damage is still enough to 1 shot half the roster

[small widget]

ohh. well still enough to one shot an onmi

[desert arch]

Yeah

[boreal nymph]

first time playing cera in a while, diet seems really difficult now? just ate a big lump of intestines as a juvie, didnt even get to half Lines

[cyan flame]

Is it not reasonable that a large critter, even out if stam is still sufficiently dangerous too small critters?

[small widget]

it is reasonable, I was just thinking there was no debuff when they were out of stam which would be unreasonable

[tight iron]

sufficiently dangerous doesnt mean still doing a crap ton of damage tho

alt attacks when outta stam make no sense tbh

should be either no alt attacks or damage reduced by 85%

[cyan flame]

Fair enough, was not entirely sure. Glad they've added that, was supposed to be a thing from the start after all.

[cyan flame]

Thatd be excessive i think. 50% at most would be fine

[tight iron]

then it aint even punishing 😭

the fact that you can still do a ton of damage when outta stam just makes no sense

it should just be no alt attacks

[cyan flame]

Then youd need to up base attacks + make them more useful overall

[tight iron]

nope

youd need to just not run outta stam

exhausted to the point where you cant run but you can still do things that are way more tiring than running as many times as yo uwant

[cyan flame]

Need adjusted stam costs and thresholds then most likely

[tight iron]

a reasonable stam system

[urban flax]

No attacks at all would be more fair, as some animals rely on alt attacks way more than others
And also bites would need to cost stamina to accomodate that

But I do think attacks should not only deal less damage, but also be slower when out of stam

[coarse spruce]

I don't like this reasoning for pinning anything below 450kg. It's not like it's over if a mountain lion jumps on another mountain lion

[tight iron]

well it is true tho

[coarse spruce]

Would make way more sense if you were pouncing something below 40% or less your bodyweight

[tight iron]

are yo usure

at least 95%

if a mountain lion gets ahold of another mountain lion's neck, it's joever

[coarse spruce]

A mountain lion holding down another mountain lion?

[tight iron]

sometimes even a bigger one

[coarse spruce]

Yeah thats its neck, if anything got a grip on any other creature's neck in this game or any other it would be over

[tight iron]

it's like in judo, even a smaller thing can pin you down and it's joever

[coarse spruce]

But you don't grab their neck, the raptor in this case just slashes at their belly until their health is zero

[tight iron]

i would say that getting ahold of someone's neck is better than being ripped apart

[coarse spruce]

As in a better way to die?

[tight iron]

cause being ripped apart with those claws means no chance of surviving first slash

[tight iron]

yes

agonizing but a single slash in your belly would be enough to kill you with those sickle claws

so it makes sense yknow

[coarse spruce]

Are we discussing if it makes sense to immoblise a player or discussing which would be a worse fate?

[limber hull]

you cant constantly use the mountain lion analogy every time someone has a problem with pin, only to entirely change the context the moment it's brought into question LMAO

[tight iron]

me when i dont change the context

[limber hull]

you did. Now it's a mountain lion vs another mountain lion

[tight iron]

anyways, it makes sense for smth to immobilize another thing similar or equal in size

[tight iron]

okay when did i suggest the mountain lion vs mountaion lion?

[limber hull]

not fun tho

[coarse spruce]

But why, the victim is incapable of retaliating

[tight iron]

plot twist, it was solbu who did

[tight iron]

some species retaliate

[coarse spruce]

At least in the game, I think only troodon and raptor do

[tight iron]

dying isnt fun and yet we die, fun isnt a part in the equation

[coarse spruce]

But I don't have a complete list

[tight iron]

they are the only ones who got the means to retaliate

[limber hull]

it's a video game, so yes it is

[tight iron]

(sickle claws)

[limber hull]

tf kinda argument is that lol

[tight iron]

in that case, this entire game is unfun

[limber hull]

how lol

[coarse spruce]

The other difference is troodon and raptor are the only creatures to lie on their back when pinned

[tight iron]

cause we die which is unfun and nothing has to beunfun

[limber hull]

no?

[coarse spruce]

Dying is fun, just as long as there's a challenge involved

[limber hull]

what the hell are these sweeping statements

[tight iron]

well crpa thats what you're suggesting

[limber hull]

that's absolutely not what i'm suggesting

[tight iron]

well then make some sense 😭

[limber hull]

sol seemed to get it

i'm suggesting that dying with no challenge or anything to it is less fun than having a chance to do something

[tight iron]

well thank you for making it clear now

[coarse spruce]

Its why omnis hate herreras

[tight iron]

the challenge here is to not get pinned

if youre a small thing like a juvie cera or something you might as well jsut give up tbh

[limber hull]

lmao, it's very funny the lack of irony they see in complaining about an unavoidable one-shot

[coarse spruce]

If I was a dryo I'd be MUCH more receptive to pinning if the hitbox wasn't so big

They have a sphere of death around them when they right click

[tight iron]

but if you can somehow avoid it then go for it

[limber hull]

that too. they made pin a literal truck sized hitbox

[tight iron]

i agree

i dont get why hitboxes have to be this damn big

[coarse spruce]

I wouldve made a thin sheet kind of hitbox in between their legs, where the centre of mass is

The point is to pin them with your bodyweight, you gotta make the right mark

[tight iron]

dibble hitbox, herrera hitbox, pin hitbox, ram hitbox, wth

[coarse spruce]

yes yes

With that said though I'd still have reduced the pin threshold

Or, or!

Increase stamina consumption

[tight iron]

well did you know stam consumption was increased by a ton

[coarse spruce]

I did not

[tight iron]

so your wish has been fulfilled

[coarse spruce]

That's good to know

[tight iron]

cant get the numbers off the top of my head but man it was a lot

[coarse spruce]

You pin a herrera, good news it'll die before stamina is an issue.
You pin a galli, you'll have to abandon the act before they can punish you

[tight iron]

me when galli cant knock raptors down

[coarse spruce]

:(

even after they had an exception made for them when it comes to pins

[tight iron]

yus

[coarse spruce]

I think because they left the exception in, a 375kg raptor can pin a fg gallimimus

[tight iron]

excuse me wtf

no that is broken

[coarse spruce]

I took galli's initial weight and the weight percentage it would require to pin it. Scaled it back to 425kg to see 375kg required

I'm sure the exception must still be in because of some fights I had on Norden as galli

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

what

[junior nymph]

wth]

[rough wind]

#general-feedback message
It would take more effort to make that system than it would to just finish the elder system

its pretty close to being done anyway

[shy fox]

can you link a source? i must have missed that

[rough wind]

"elders being integrated" from the latest devblog

[shy fox]

also it really would not at all, while i'm not john code and definitely not on the level where i could implement a system like that in a game myself, just going based off what i know it'd be super simple to implement this. the bulk of it is just an alteration to the base numbers, the framework for this already exists in the game (the seamless growth system), and the marker system i suggested could also be implement super easily be it the skin, or the scent marker (just add a new tag similar to the one a target evenomated by a dilo / troo gets, except make it visible to everyone, not just the member of whatever species it is applicable to)

[shy fox]

ahhhh that makes sense i didn't read that one, well that's great actually, can't wait

seems i am late to the party with my suggestion

[rapid viper]

Best mut for carno?

[desert arch]

Speed. Its a must pick otherwise dilos can be faster than u lol

[rapid viper]

Ye I realized this like just now lol

[pseudo slate]

food bug is back

great 🙂 🙂

[hidden mist]

It’s always been there… watching your every step…

[north quiver]

@torpid void you can get food basically all around them map as an omnivore. a trick is to press “leave group” if you’re not in a group and it deletes your current patrol zone. wait 8-10 minutes near your desired patrol zone, and it’ll spawn food there and designate that as your patrol zone (only spawns food if at least a one person had a patrol there iirc)

here’s the rough map locations of the patrol zones I’ve found. if there’s more then I don’t know about them

this isn’t the updated map but I used it because it was the only one I found that highlighted drinkable water. you can still find these areas regardless

[mental mountain]

Why did everyone hate my feedback there not much opinion in it #general-feedback message

[rough wind]

rust

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

me trying to hunt (i am now anxious because the hunt took longer than 2 minutes)

[minor lava]

@remote parcel lmao nobody wants that for some reason

[urban flax]

That "fix" for mixpacking is the saddest thing ever
Chase a prey for more than 2 minutes, get anxious and lose speed, letting the prey escape

[limber hull]

there'll be no mixpacking if everyone stops having fun and quits the game, silly

sometimes it requires multi-level thinking to come up with REAL solutions

[lilac bolt]

Lol but tbh I've yet to really find or see an actual good suggestion that involved fixing mixpacking that wasn't able to be abused by players

The only way I've seen mixpacking actually be avoided is through rules which officials don't have. But either way having debuffs just ends up causing more problems than fixing them.

[urban flax]

The best fix, in my opinion, would be to bring back the large cloud for mixpacks and megapacks, or make the mixpack/megapack icon visible even when not scenting, at a shorter range

[lilac bolt]

Oh yeah why did that get removed I forget?

[urban flax]

The scent cloud was removed with the rework, when everything got replaced by compass icons

[latent olive]

damn that brought back memories

giant orange sponge clouds that indicated where people were

[urban flax]

I miss the old particle scent

[limber hull]

particle scent god my beloved

[urban flax]

Its only issue honestly was with blood and footprints

Which turned your screen into the goddamn milky way when there were many nearby

[limber hull]

as someone who literally cannot smell, it felt far more realistic to smelling

[latent olive]

damn, wavepoole lost his sense of smell

cant believe stegosaurus worship would do this to someone

[limber hull]

never had it lol

[latent olive]

this guy was always the smart fella

and never.....the fart smella.........

[lilac bolt]

Out of curiosity If there was one lost mechanic in the isle that you could add back what would it be?

[limber hull]

A revamped progression mode

Oh, and burrows, but that's confirmed

[barren crater]

Not really a lost mechanic but I loved how legacy had no eating animation locks

You could immediately move if you reacted to someone running at you

The amount of people I kill because I know they're in animation locks is pretty high tbh. Mainly raptors

[lilac bolt]

Does leave people open to get ambushed which is kind of cool

Although personally I don't really recall ever being attacked when eating though

[remote parcel]

Because they all mix pack is why
It's an excellent solution. Sort of like how games punish dupers. I see them as the same type

[barren crater]

It's the cheapest way of doing it though imo. I can see them coming and I'm stuck in animation for another second even though I could have reacted to them

[lilac bolt]

Yeah that's true

[lilac bolt]

not an excellent solution just think about it. all someone has to do is stall long enough then have people further then 50m away rush there and kill them?

[junior nymph]

@remote parcel its not good people could just bite eachother to not get it and if you dont like that people doing long fights will get punished therefor it being stupid it can happen with bob since they dont do long fights the isle does do long fights

[urban flax]

There isn't even a mention of bites in the suggestion
If your fight lasts more than 2 minutes, you get debuffs
There's no going around it

[junior nymph]

ik I just pointed it out since I feel like they would say something about that

[junior nymph]

its just a stupid suggestion that has the right intentions but a bad fix

[gilded hollow]

@remote parcel I like your idea of preventing mix packing between herbivores and carnivores, but I think the timer should be drastically increased to like 20-30 minutes. Mix packers stay together for a bit of time from what I've seen, and interactions between the two many times take longer than 2 minutes.

[junior nymph]

nah they should just instantly combust into blood

im joking

[gilded hollow]

Fr tho

[junior nymph]

imo it be stupid to do a timer cause yesterday I was hunting a mega herd as my herra for like 2 hours and if there was a time for one it would notify I was still following and for two it would make me slower and just be a pain to regen stam and keep following

I dont think timers are the way to fix mixpacking it would have to be a community based vote and the devs would implement the highest voted one (based on if the community is smart and does not troll it)

[gilded hollow]

Yeah I get that

[limber hull]

that is absolutely not the way to do it lol

basing your solution to that problem off community votes would be disasterous lol

[primal valley]

I think we as a collective, need to agree that mixpacking is for people who wipe boogers on their sleeves

[junior nymph]

I did say if they dont troll it and if they are smart which are both unlikely

[limber hull]

mixpacking, imho, is entirely unsolvable. It's such a broad term with so many possible cases for false positive detection

[gilded hollow]

Tbh Just buff stego 🤓

[limber hull]

unironically please for the love of god do

[gilded hollow]

😨

[primal valley]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-reynolds-deadpool-and-wolverine-deadpool-my-god-read-the-room-gif-18058479548972201727

[limber hull]

genuine ass animal lmao

[gilded hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/stegosaurus-steg-stego-stegosaur-meme-gif-26992376

[primal valley]

Yeah honestly stego freaky af

[barren crater]

I'd say more of a QOL change than buffs

[limber hull]

people who play stego baffle me. If you wanted a strong, tanky herbivore, dibble is better

if you wanted a one-shot monster, deino is right there

if you wanted an uncontested monster, ceratosaurus

[barren crater]

But tbf charge swing stam costs are too high

[limber hull]

if the QoL includes bringing back its combo potential then yes

but the fact that they gutted the only fun thing about it remains an absolute travesty

[barren crater]

ye

[limber hull]

no cooldown, less stamcost, actual attack consistency please

[barren crater]

It was near perfect. Just needed the old swing to be an alt attack. Also the the camera of the charge swing sucked

[limber hull]

why does its running swing hit in the wrong direction every time it's beyond frustrating

[barren crater]

By camera, I mean how it's inverted. If you look left, you swing to the right

[barren crater]

lol yea. Completely different to every other directional attack

[limber hull]

oh yea, and jab needs to be alt-attack, absolutely wild that it's "spam RMB"

somehow less consistent than cerato manual puke too, because of course it is lol

[primal valley]

i mean i still feel the stego does a bit too much dmg

i don't like the nerfs it got

[gilded hollow]

I think an armour mechanic to the dinos that have armor would be nice. So, instead of taking only raw damage on a dino that visually has armor, you'd instead take less raw damage and you wouldn't be infected by bleed and other debuffs until you break through that armour.

[barren crater]

I think the damage is fine tbf

but I wonder why you think it's too much

[limber hull]

i'd say the damage nerfs were entirely uncalled for, and frankly it needs the damage it has

it's stego. it's gonna do damage

[primal valley]

but if they were to reverse the nerfs, they would need to lower the dmg

[limber hull]

i hard disagree, damage is stego's main deal

it has no speed, no armour, and a weak head

it's incredibly vulnerable without its damage as a primary back off tool

[primal valley]

i agree it should deal a lot of dmg, but it shouldn't be able to three shot a giant armoured crocodile twice it's weight

[limber hull]

it's not twice its weight at all

[primal valley]

yes it is

[limber hull]

6 x 2 is not 8

[primal valley]

deino is 8 and stego is 4

[limber hull]

stego is 6, it's always been 6

if stego were 4, deino could grab it off shore

[primal valley]

last time i saw it was 4

then its more fair, but still (Note im not saying deino should be able to grab it)

[limber hull]

it was 4'883kg in legacy, but has never been anything but 6 tons in EVRIMA

[barren crater]

It had 4000 hp back in update 3 & 3.5

[primal valley]

ah

[limber hull]

HP, yea, but weight hasn't been changed iirc

[barren crater]

ye

[limber hull]

only the HP was changed

anyway, point is, stegosaurus is supposed to be able to survive on an island with rex in the future, of course it's going to need that damage

oh, and allosaurus, and the other apex preds

[gilded hollow]

If it's supposed to be focused on attack then nerf its health back to 4 tons

[limber hull]

that doesn't solve anything

that just makes it trash again lol

it already has an extremely weak head hitbox

[barren crater]

Why though? Why does it need to be 4t? What creature needs it to be 4t?

[primal valley]

it can tank a deino

[limber hull]

and?

[primal valley]

i wouldn't call that "weak"

[primal valley]

that shouldn't be possible

[limber hull]

deino is a punch down creature. once they get close to its size, deino's kinda out of its depth

plus, if the stego is swimming, deino can just grab and drown it

[primal valley]

why would a stego swim?

[limber hull]

swamp migration zone most of the time

great place to grab stegos

[primal valley]

fair enough

[gilded hollow]

it makes it so it can't camp at rivers cuz of fully grown deinos and makes it more killable. Because of its huge damage and it huge hp, it's almost unkillable since it's hard to hit it when it does so much damage back at you

[primal valley]

but it's still a 2 ton difference

thats alot

[limber hull]

people overestimate deino's strength. Basically everything above 4 tons is gonna kick its ass unless they're swimming. I fully bet that sucho will just entirely bully deinos that dare enter its shallow havens

[primal valley]

it's an armoured tank, why should a thing half it's size kick its ass?

[limber hull]

deino is INSANELY powerful if it knows its limitations. It can oneshot over half the roster with exceptional ease, it just needs to know when to strike and when to stay hidden

[limber hull]

because deino can't grab it, and that's 95% of deino's attack plan

[primal valley]

yea

[limber hull]

stegosaurus should not be on the menu unless the stego messed up (i.e. swimming in dangerous waters)

[barren crater]

75% of its weight! and because its only tool outside of lunge is its bite and good luck landing it with your worse land stats

[primal valley]

so you're saying a bite force possibly even greater then the rex, is only used to grab

[barren crater]

Like if a stego stood there and let you bite its face, it would be a lot closer but that will never happen. You're biting its legs / body / tail

[wooden agate]

if rex has 500 or less biteforce im going to be extremely sad for rex

[primal valley]

real

[wooden agate]

rex should at a minimum have 700-800, ideally 900-1000

[primal valley]

offtopic, but what are y'alls opinion on anky

[gilded hollow]

imo there should be atleast one dino that could kill another dino. If deino can't kill a stego and no other dino can it makes to so unfun to confront

[wooden agate]

ceratos:
omnis:
dibbles:
dilos (albeit, good dilos):

[limber hull]

tons of things can kill stego tho

[barren crater]

I'd say 800 is perfect. Enough to one shot a dilo while still not being as good as its main tools. Also bites are 0 stam abilities, which I hope aren't too powerful

[gilded hollow]

Cerato def can't, dilo cant

[wooden agate]

dibbles stun stegos, taking away their attacks

ceratos make them puke over and over until theyre a slobbering starving mess

[barren crater]

I think stego should only have to worry about allo, alberto + apex carnivores if they're good so I'm fine with that personally

[limber hull]

cerato absolutely can

[wooden agate]

and a dilo group definitely can take on a stego at night

espeically considering you straight up cant fight the hallucinations now

[primal valley]

Anky anyone?

[wooden agate]

cool rock that will demolish any apex that dares to touch it

peak

[gilded hollow]

I mean fair enough about cerato, but I meant solo, not a group and dilo can't by itself

[primal valley]

thank god🙏

[wooden agate]

again, diablo

70-80% damage reduction on head while blocking + consistently stunning the stego and there is quite literally nothing the stego can do

[gilded hollow]

I meant to say dilo

[limber hull]

It's stegover

[gilded hollow]

Anky is goated

[wooden agate]

iirc diablo can take 10000-12000 damage to the head while blocking

thats almost as much effective health as things like spino/shant/etc are expected to have

[limber hull]

yup lol

[wooden agate]

stego just gets worse and worse

poor thing

[limber hull]

not really

stego's always been kinda trash, it's just better, newer members of the roster expose that way better

also raptor keeps getting insanely powerscaled against it lol

[primal valley]

remeber the days of deino fishing🦐

[gilded hollow]

even if it's a bad mathcup against dibble and cerato it can still kill like 90% of the roster

[limber hull]

deino fishing was SO funny lmao, genuinely insane deinos fell for it

it's literally fishing with a hook and no bait and watching the fish take it

[primal valley]

i think you missed my point

[limber hull]

no, i didnt. deino skill issues justifying stego being garbo doesn't change my opinion. i only have died to stego once as deino, and that was because of my own skill issue and overconfidence

stegos are a non-issue 95% of the time

[wooden agate]

if you fall for deino fishing im sorry i dont think thats a stego issue

it was fun though

[limber hull]

if said 90% is dumb enough to stay right next to it

a simple shift and W makes any stego you can't immediately deal with a thing of the past

[primal valley]

i was basically forced to attack a stego back then, because it kept going to basking spots and hunting spots, so i couldn't get rest or food

[gilded hollow]

I didn't say when they stood next to, I said when they tried to kill it. It's still hellah difficult to kill it. Running from it is boring

[wooden agate]

running from it is how you survive, which is the main point of a survival game

[gilded hollow]

You shouldn't HAVE to

[limber hull]

you do realise what most creatures will do against apexes right

if you see the rex or the trike you move away, same goes for stego

[barren crater]

you can't solo hunt anything above your tier rn anyways if they're decent

you don't see omnis solo hunting ceras

[limber hull]

which is how it should be, besides rare cases such as herrera

[gilded hollow]

nuh uh

[lilac bolt]

Yeah wish stego was like that but rn anyone that knows how to fight stego it's just food sadly.

It could be an amazing dino to play as but it's limited right now mainly in terms of combat

[stiff leaf]

what is this hit box

[tight iron]

every hitbox in the game is broken

[midnight heath]

A lot of things can kill stego, what you said is just wrong. I've killed stegos with cera, diablo absolutely can, troodons can, dilo can, deino can, other stegos can and raptors can.

The only thing that really can't are carnos and the rest of the roster which consist of things like dryo and beipi.

[midnight heath]

Also you should for most things, not everything is meant to fight everything. Isle is supposed to be a simulated ecosystem, not a PVP hero arena.

[primal valley]

🤓

[gilded hollow]

🤓

[midnight heath]

I love when people agree with themselves in the feedback section.

[gilded hollow]

👍

[primal valley]

😩

[gilded hollow]

🔥

[barren igloo]

Why not have sauropod AI? It'd fill a necessary role within the dinosaur ecosystem being hotspots for predators and scavengers and possibly provide some protection or resources to herding herbivores. Players will always prefer pvp over farming a sauropod but for big packs or apex's it'd be a trickle down of resources to scavengers and create temporary hotspots which I think these game sorely needs. And who wants to play a sauropod long term where it's sitting for the chance to become untouchable and not play the game

[cunning crown]

I think a better solution is just to have more ai roaming around and increase server capacity

[barren igloo]

but who plays sauropods, my main somewhat obscured point here is that sauropods aren't fun to play historically in the isle but are a vital part of most dinosaur ecosystems. I just want some way for this "dead whale" to attract people for the short term and somewhat resolve migration and pz issues as no one has a pointer to where migration is naturally you just follow the resources

[barren igloo]

But these things are historically difficult to scale and if the solution was just increasing numbers on options we already have why aren't we doing it, changing 5 of these ai to sauropods is alot easier instead of adding 100+ ai and 100+ players to the computational challenge of running a server

[lilac bolt]

You'd be surprised with how many people actually wanna play as a sauropod.

[barren igloo]

back in the day when there was sauropod and camarasaurus everyone complained it was boring, with new food system and how people complain about sitting for eight hours afk on deino, the situation for such a powerful dino would be much the same and elisit the same responses, it sounds cool now but winning by chance afk was the sauropod strat

I'm not advocating for it to be unplayable but there should be AI of it when everyone gets board

[lilac bolt]

Just gotta hope the devs can make sauropods fun that's all we can do

[barren igloo]

but its not a fun game its a "realistic" game

[lilac bolt]

It's not though otherwise something like omni wouldn't exist if they were trying to be really realistic

Or spino. Have you seen the isles spino?

[barren igloo]

but there are large raptors like omni such as deinonychus and likely many more. it;'s a neiche and still realistic?

[desert arch]

If the game went for full realism half the roster wouldnt exist and the ones that remain would break every bone in their body if they tried to recreate their abilities lol

[barren igloo]

I'm not saying it's a pure recreation but the devs them selves say it's a sim not dino battler and that's the direction they're building the game towards

[lilac bolt]

It's a horror survival game at its core has been forever

[urban flax]

Legacy was boring, of course legacy sauropods were boring
Hoping they will be more interesting in evrima isn't much to ask

But also yeah, evrima isn't realistic
It isn't supposed to be
It's a survival horror sci-fi game, not a dino sim

[lilac bolt]

Yup

The game is realistic sometimes but it's not the main focus for the game

Now that I'm thinking about it. I hope you can spar as a sauropod like in cama's concept art that'd be amazing to see in game.

[barren igloo]

I concede that its a open-world survival horror game, this horror comes from player investment in the creatures. How would one make sauropod fun then? while still in the somewhat realistic bounds. I think most of my points still stand

[urban flax]

What makes them less fun than stego, deino or even the upcoming rex ?

[barren igloo]

they're slow, weak and have little ability to act on the world until fully grown, and even then the fully grown model is to eat. Others like rex or deino are hunters and have to seek other players, stego is mid sized and can interact with herd and predators. The goal of a sauropod is to get too big to eat so it can eat freely, until that point in age/growth they'll just get ganked

[limber hull]

Sauropod? Weak???

[barren igloo]

baby is slow and for such a large creature it'll spend ages growing (which is what everyone is complaining about for deino (somewhat rex) atm)

[lilac bolt]

Yeah that's part of the fun and the challenge

[urban flax]

So they're boring because... they are vulnerable during their growth ? You mean like every other animal ?

Isn't that preciesly what makes growing them interesting ?

[urban flax]

I have yet to see someone complain that deino takes too long to grow

What people usually complain about is that they get cannibalized or can't live off fish

[lilac bolt]

It is a long time to grow yes but that's why it's worth it makes it more rewarding if you manage make it that far.

[coarse spruce]

Last time I played it did take me a long ass time to reach 200kg

I don't mind waiting ages for 8 tons, but doing hunts early life is cool

[barren igloo]

The goal for both slow unsprinting baby and full grown Sauropod is to avoid players, if the risk is so high and the reward is being slow and doing nothing, no one will play, look historically (I know the game is slightly different now). Atleast for rex or deino or stego you can interact with the world in a meaningful way where I've played sauropod and walking around doing nothing is all well and good but would you rather not have pvp? to actually make it a survival horror

[urban flax]

How is the goal of a FG sauropod to avoid other players ?

[lilac bolt]

You won't be immortal as a sauropod

[limber hull]

the hyperendocrin in question

[barren igloo]

they're too slow unless players have a reason to stay around why would you risk being in one shot range and not go interact with another interesting player, unless it can hunt you why would anything risk interacting with a fg sauropod (and in real life atleast they wanted to be left alone and eat such is their evolutionary traits being too big to interact with)

[urban flax]

I wonder, why do carno players even try to kill stegos ?

[barren igloo]

stego is midsized and manageable diplodocus is not

[urban flax]

If sauropods end up being too OP and unkillable, they will get nerfed
If they're too weak they ought to be buffed
That's how making a videogame works

[urban flax]

Stego is 5 tons above carno's prey range

[lilac bolt]

Also why would you be really slow as a juvie sauropod?

[barren igloo]

what about the sauropod body plan screams quick, even as an infant they're like baby elephants, rather slow and uselesss until they reach size

[urban flax]

Actually, if you're interested in realism, I suggest you watch some recent studies about sauropod locomotion
It appears they were anything but slow

[lilac bolt]

Again the game isn't gonna be really realistic. A juvie Sauropod will be capable to survive on its own that's all that matters

Even if its unrealistically fast

[barren igloo]

what makes it not get eaten as soon as a solo juvi is found? I know that's + for herding behaviour but - for individual fun, why not chose to be a pack of rex or anything better that has more interaction with the world if you're investing the time into growth, back to my main point make AI sauropods as their lifestyle is not conducive to "fun" not many will play them but they are very important for prehistoric ecosystems. Play big boys if you like I'm not trying to take that away, I'm just syaing I've played them and think they're not fun but would like to see them in the game, so add some AI of them to create artifical hotspots

[urban flax]

I would absolutely hate to have a dino species that is both AI and playable

[lilac bolt]

Nothing is stopping you from dying if you get spotted as a juvie. You have to play it safe early on and hide best you can or avoid places with a ton of players.

[urban flax]

We saw that with teno AI and it was the worst AI ever

Having AI spawns as a species absolutely kills its playerbase

[lilac bolt]

Yeah

[urban flax]

Cama absolutely ought to be playable, it's on par with apexes in terms of size
2-3 gigas could take one

Brachi I could see being AI only, because it falls in the territory of "seriously huge" but it kinda depends on the frequency of hypers

If hypers are somewhat common, it's better to have brachi as a playable so it works as a fair contender to them
If they're very rare, AI brachi would be better for scenery

[barren igloo]

having 5 AI diplodocus that stick as a pack and slowly roam, possibly creating paths through trees or unearthing food or protecting quick herbies from the larger carnivores, and with large carnivore packs it would be an event to take one down and then many battles and cool interactions would happen around the body but no actual player has to have 10 hours of growth ruined after 10 tries where you were insta ganked for being to weak to get it

[lilac bolt]

Either way fun is subjective

[urban flax]

Whatever interaction you can have with AI, it's inherently more fun when everyone involved is a player

[lilac bolt]

It's always gonna be down to personal preference whether you are gonna like sauropod gameplay or not

[urban flax]

AI is only a fix for when something isn't interesting enough to warrant being a playable

[barren igloo]

Bubulblu I agree with you there, I suppose through my experience there won't be people playing them and you just wont get the herd I described but I guess we'll see

[urban flax]

None of us has any experience in how sauropods will play out in evrima
The game is too different from legacy to compare

[limber hull]

brachi should be playable imho

[lilac bolt]

Yeah

[urban flax]

In legacy everyone just played rex, allo and giga because every dino was a copypaste with different stats so they just picked which ones had the best ones

[limber hull]

if you can reliably take down a member of a herd of giant sauropods, they're too easy

and now you've created the ultimate source of ez food for the only creatures who do NOT need ez food, apex predators

[lilac bolt]

Yeah it's hard to compare when the games are so different

[barren igloo]

I would like to thank you all for giving me your reasoning

[latent olive]

@limber hull obligatory “Diablo/stego is STUPIDLY overpowered” tag

#general-feedback message

[rapid viper]

I just sent a suggestion but it just disappeared and I still got a cooldown

Is it just that bad of a suggestion?

Well noted

[tight iron]

apparently it's copy and pasted

[rapid viper]

It might be

[rapid viper]

Your aunt is ill*

but close enough

[tight iron]

LMAO

[karmic isle]

Wasn't the point of changing Utah's name to Omni because it isn't an accurate model and they are going to introduce an accurate Utah in the future? Why is everyone poo pooing on the suggestion to start a new model

[tight iron]

either they think you're talking about removing omniraptor or they hate raptors

like remodeling omniraptor adn then removing it

[limber hull]

omniraptor's entire reason for existing is to be a Jurassic Park velociraptor ripoff

[karmic isle]

I swear its just kids disliking the suggestion because they aren't aware of why it is the way it is in the first place. Yeah it basically is a JP raptor, but the devs said they were gonna make an accurate Utah. So I say give it some feathers and change up a few animations, and then we can have our Utahraptor back instead of the made up Omniraptor

This would make its playstyle more unique too, since the isle is an ecosystem and every animal has a niche, but a made up animal never had a real niche in the ecosystem. They can draw from real Utah for inspirations

[limber hull]

they're making an accurate utahraptor

the point is they have their JP raptor, because the devs want a JP velo ripoff

if they give it feathers, then it loses its point of being in this game, being a JP ripoff

that's why utahraptor is going to be a standalone creature

[wooden agate]

Utah is going to be a seperate playable than Omni, hence the name change. Omniraptor has in lore reasons to exist (similarly to Troodon and it not being a valid genus. In lore, Troodon is an AE person going "what if we took this animal, and did this instead)

[karmic isle]

I see. I suppose that makes sense

[wooden agate]

And the game isnt exactly going for realism in the first place, hence why we have some incredibly wacky abilities for the animals (beipi semi aquaticness, herrera climbing, dilo shroom venom, troodon as a whole, hypsi spit, etc) and animals that dont exactly exist in our own world

[wooden agate]

yeah, i can see how it could be a bit of a "why?" when people dont have the context

[karmic isle]

yeah true, I just loooove accurate models and that's just my preference. But to be fair, the isle-ified animals we have look really good. Allo is a fav of all their designs

I also can't wait for Theri

[wooden agate]

theri is going to be peak isle playable

[stable crow]

Why dont people want a / kill command in game? (I have no opinion on this so don't get mad at me, i just wanna know peoples reasoning)

[marble quail]

Was heavily abused and also the devs don't want it

#general-feedback message Also why did you guys downvote this

[wooden agate]

there is drinkable water in west access

the area does need to be done up a bit more, similarly to how NE lake was

but if i had to guess that would be the reason for the downvote due to the basis of it being wrong

[slow fog]

kinda funny ngl

So what is the reason for removing the spawn point selection in the game?

I haven't played for a while, now I'm back with friends and it's making the game very difficult to play

[wooden agate]

hotspots, mainly

but theyre introducing a party spawn system where you can spawn with your friends

hopefully they include actual randomized spawns instead of just picking one of your previous spawn points (cera still has 2, dilo has 4, etc)

[limber hull]

party system is exactly what i wanted

[slow fog]

yeah thats why im shocked lol it makes no sense

just dont remove selection before u add party spawn system XD

[wooden agate]

ill be honest ill take what we have now over the spawn selection any day

the map genuinely feels so much more alive and players feel spread out

[slow fog]

huh, nothing has changed except that you can't select a point

if it was truly random then I would understand

[wooden agate]

hotspots are basically gone

south plains is dead half the time im there, and when it isnt, its no where near what it was before

ive been finding people at water access, NE lake, docks, east plains, RD, etc

hell i found a group of tenos nesting at k15

[slow fog]

so you want to tell me that they removed the hotspot spawn CHOICE, made the hotspot spawn RANDOM, and because of that there are no hotspots? sure

[marble quail]

I mean there aren't anymore

[marble quail]

Yes but more water would be nice

[latent olive]

before random spawns introduced
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1276303795864862841/file.jpg?ex=6705af09&is=67045d89&hm=fafd8ca1e10770ed51064602db0620edb6135695da04926bcfc1af304a8287d9&

after random spawns introduced
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1291809834244509867/animated_map.png?ex=67061069&is=6704bee9&hm=704f1b8be5e3abefc93940c409d4a39131827ff17c7d263c493098b3d4f20177&

shoutout to poutine for the heatmaps

[slow fog]

ok this makes absolutely no sense logically, but I won't argue with the statistics xD

[wooden agate]

people with spawn choice spawn at south plains, creating an influx of bodies that draws more carnivores, which creates more bodies, which creates a domino effect of having half the server there

people without spawn choice spawn wherever the hell they end up and either die to get a 'better spawn' (which is sorta rare now) or just move around and find food from where they orignally spawned

so more food is spread out, meaning more carnivores are spread out, and then with the addition of PZ's, herbivores are also slightly more spread out

[slow fog]

Wasn't there such a thing as a spawn block in a particular area if there were too many players?

[wooden agate]

no

[slow fog]

okay maybe only on privs then

[wooden agate]

also, hotspots clearly still exist to some degree as shown near highlands and WRA, but by far the players are more spread out now

[wooden agate]

one cool thing about this map as well is alot of those dark blue dots line up with PZ's

[undone pewter]

It got a lot better now. The eye of sauron in highlands disapeared (big herivore herd doing nothing) since we have launched a new system last night to automatically detect large herbivore herds and tell them to split up.

[wooden agate]

@spring pumice #general-feedback message While i do agree the loudness could be turned down a bit, a large part of the rainstorms is drowning out other sounds. If you enable people to turn storm sound off entirely, it quickly becomes the meta to turn it down so you yourself are not in a disadvantage when its raining, which is prime hunting time for carnivores

[spring pumice]

Yes indeed, it allows carnivores to attack discreetly... In this case, just reduce a little to avoid headaches, or space out rainy weather more and make it last less time 🤷‍♂️ 😊

[mild isle]

Make sure ya’ll read the dev blog lol, some things being suggested are things they are already looking at implementing and stated in there

[wintry whale]

@tawny pendant Hopefully we end up actually getting this

[tawny pendant]

thank you 🌼

[mild isle]

Yeah, at least it’s being acknowledged although xd

[weak yacht]

@lyric star that's a bug, should go on bug report

[boreal briar]

@spring pumice Everyone and their grandmother would disable storm audio to hear other players better. That's basically creating a combat meta

I do agree that storms are loud as heck though. I think their audio should be reduced a little, and have other audio also reduced to simulate the "loudness" of the rain unless you are in a building, dome or cave.
And maybe less frequent Tropical rain season level of storms even if it fits the island.

[faint folio]

This. Rain and thunder (also dino broadcast calls when you're right next to them) need to not be ear-splitting loud, but instead should be normal volume and subtly decrease volume of sounds that should be covered.

I don't want a headache from the game's loud noises. But I also recognize that part of the challenge of storms is that it's intended to make listening for AI and other players more difficult

[barren zephyr]

feels good to be back

[tight iron]

welcome back sir

[barren zephyr]

what id miss

[tight iron]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

people complaining about raptors

[barren zephyr]

lmao what happened

[tight iron]

people dont like pin

and people dont like when raptors can actually kill them

[barren zephyr]

were their any new changes?

[tight iron]

well

recently raptor was made completely useless

(new bucking is SO ass)

and the stamina costs were nerfed which is understandable i guess

and well carno got absolutely demolished

cera got buffed (it insta pukes you with a single charge bite)

[barren zephyr]

and what about cerato?

I see a couple posts about it

[tight iron]

tons of feedbacks about it

[coarse spruce]

@winter mulch It's intended for lightweight dinosaurus to be tissue paper for dedicated ambush hunters

[winter mulch]

ik u a herrera player

but if a dino that is half my size can 1 shot me that is pretty OP

[coarse spruce]

not a herra player but I get their appeal

Omniraptor can oneshot a herrerasaurus too, if they didn't get the kill then the herrerasaurus would be instantly punished

has been instantly punished

[winter mulch]

herrera can sustain a bite or two from an omni, can only 1 shot if its pounced and held to the ground, NOT the same thing at all

[coarse spruce]

The pounce is instantaneous and has a wide hitbox, I think it counts

[winter mulch]

the herrera literally has a big range and an eagle view, any dino that is still for a few seconds stands no chance, while the omni actually has to becareful when pouncing because it could do it at the front or back which would not count, not only that but there are ups and downs in the terrain which sometimes makes it difficult

[inland vigil]

Herreras typically hang out in well known ambush areas. Get to know them yourself- some examples are the trees around west rail pond, the bridge between south and highlands, or the cliffs/trees at south. Awareness and skepticism about corpses should save your life, not a nerf to an animal that doesn't need one.

[frail prawn]

Omni can one shot anything below its weight with a pounce, and all it takes is two to pin a carno, cerato, pachy, dilo, potentially a teno and with just 2 more a adult dibble. I see nothing wrong with Herrera one shotting a Omni when Omni is the special child that can do a lot.

[faint folio]

@barren zephyr more animations would be cool, but I think a bigger problem than time is professionally made custom animations are expensive. Like, really expensive. So they can either spend a ton of money on alternative animations or animations for another playable... There's a reason most video games only have one animation per action per playable

[barren zephyr]

more so later when the game is most likely finished

[tight iron]

animations are apparently done extremely quickly

they got a very big team of animators

[faint folio]

But again, if the game is almost finished would they want to basically double their animation costs at the last minute

[tight iron]

and apparently funding isnt an issue either

[faint folio]

And like I said, speed isn't the issue

[tight iron]

oh no im not saying you said it

[faint folio]

But paying a large team of good animators is not cheap, and while that expenditure is probably seen as necessary right now because of the size of the roster that needs animating, I don't know of many studio's that would pay for duplicate animation sets for everything for variety

[barren zephyr]

i think, a game which is dependent on immerivnes, should try and expand on such thing, making the game more immersive. that is also like 60% of the games whole idea. an IMMERSIVE dinosaur survival experience

[tight iron]

i mean, theyve sold about 1.7 million copies of the game

so you can imagine that funding is definetely not an issue

[lilac bolt]

when has it been stated that the game has sold 1.7 million copies?

[unique mirage]

since steam doesnt reveal download numbers i assume thats an unofficial number and 1.7 million is A LOT

i mean its within 10 years time but still

[minor lava]

@proud totem ping issues...

@zealous coyote there is a command to get you unstuck

[zealous coyote]

how

please explain

[icy lion]

Send /unstuck in the chat

[minor lava]

👍

[zealous coyote]

ty

[boreal briar]

@proud totem Performance issues were worse when the servers had more people. I hope that 200 at least is a reasonable goal for the future, especially with a mix of humans and dinosaurs. For now we gotta deal with lower populations or use unnoficial servers that sometimes have more slots

[vapid minnow]

/unstuck - has cool down of 10(?) minutes have to be away from players, cant be swimming, you can sometimes use it while falling but only if the distance wont kill you assuming you can type it fast enough but rlly no point

[minor lava]

@coarse spruce how are u supposed to release to cancel

when u release to attack

[icy lion]

I'm guessing it's hold RMB, tap LMB to fire. Release RMB to cancel

[minor lava]

ahhh i see

[limber hull]

just stop holding RMB lol

like when you aim a gun in FPSes

[minor lava]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-gif-4576513125411549651

[minor lava]

in an fps

[limber hull]

yes

[full pewter]

I’m curious, how do y’all predict Teno will be able to stand out from Maia? Ideally it should still be as good of a choice as any species right?

[north quiver]

honestly I see maia as a worse teno that’ll struggle against agile things like omni

at least currently

[limber hull]

i do not see the overlap, and am unsure why this comparison is made so frequently

[limber hull]

if its anything like legacy it won't LOL

[north quiver]

I played a whole 20 minutes of legacy and put my other 1200+ hours into Evrima lol the alt attacks and turning seemed pretty slow so at first glance it seems like it’ll be kinda bad unless other attacks make up for it

bad against omni

[full pewter]

Tbh I don’t expect Maia to deal any sort of bleed, which teno deals plenty of

[north quiver]

but I can’t truly call it bad yet because it’s not out yet for us to get ahold of

yea I only see maia dealing blunt damage

[full pewter]

Which should have higher bleed resistance? I would vote teno, but again if Maia is anything like legacy it’ll be a bleed juggernaut

[limber hull]

teno has no bleed resist, so if maia has less, it has negative bleed resist

[full pewter]

Wasn’t Maia capable of bone break at one point?

[north quiver]

the bigosaur and omni addicts will rejoice

[full pewter]

At least that’s what the wiki says, I wasn’t playing then

[north quiver]

honestly I’d actually like that for this maia

get punted by blunt force by the slow herbivore and you get a shattered bone

[full pewter]

Oh teno has bad bleed resist?

[north quiver]

zero bleed resistance

[limber hull]

it doesn't have bleed resist

[full pewter]

Maybe against something small, but in no way would it make sense for Maia to fracture Allo unless the Allo was trampled or something

[full pewter]

Literally zero??

How does that even work

[limber hull]

same as most creatures

[full pewter]

Kk

[limber hull]

bleed resist is the perecentage of bleed you ignore

deino has a 50% bleed resist, meaning it takes 50% less bleed

[north quiver]

I’d like to see the chosen weights for both before deciding if allo can get some shattered shins

if allo can grapple/pin maia, then absolutely

[full pewter]

Fair, imo Maia should at least be a bit heavier

Really hope a single Allo can’t pin Maia

[north quiver]

the current track record on grapples and pins and grabs aren’t looking too good for the one who’s getting grabbed/pinned/grappled lol I’d imagine allo’s will be no different

if it is different, I’ll be pleasantly surprised (hopefully)

[full pewter]

Pins, in all cases, should require the pinner(s) to exceed the max weight of the victim

Unless stam or bleed is reduced

[north quiver]

ideally a full stam bar shouldn’t be able to kill the victim

I want it back to where it was on Spiro where you had to track down your prey that was bleeding out heavily and would die if their cards weren’t played right

that was genuinely fun

[full pewter]

Fr 100% agree

[north quiver]

omnis couldn’t kill a galli with pure DPS and couldn’t kill other omnis with pure DPS

had to track them down while they scramble to manage bleed, which resulted in blood loss death a lot of the time (though not always, which is the fair part)

[full pewter]

You do kinda get that same feeling with Herra, where they can bleed out Omnis and dilos in one pounce, it would be cool for that kinda gameplay to be encouraged for megas too

[north quiver]

definitely

[full pewter]

If Maia is bleed weak, and stupid fast like in legacy, I can imagine packs of Omnis stacking bleed early on an ambush, then followed by a pursuit, and if they loose the Maia then you have to track the bleed

[north quiver]

I kinda wish herrera’s hunger and diet drain was buffed

it feels a bit too fast right now for an ambush predator

[limber hull]

personally, i dont understand WHY herrera bleeds so much

it is very clearly NOT a pursuit hunter or a large game hunter, it is an ambush creature, so why is it built to be able to bleed so heavily?

[full pewter]

Is it crazy to think Herra might be a tad OP currently?

[north quiver]

I feel like maia will be slower than a teno honestly

[idle pelican]

the best random spawn mechanic so far, thank u so much devs

[limber hull]

i have absolutely no idea what this image is trying to convey

[full pewter]

On bipedal stance even? I like the idea of a speedy tank, or just a creature that really stands out in speed for its weight

[north quiver]

dude kept getting an access spawn

[limber hull]

ive never had a problem with access spawn so im not sure what the issue with that is

[full pewter]

On quad stance though absolutely

[limber hull]

im pretty sure "speedy tank" will likely be maia's design

[north quiver]

if it can’t attack during its speedy phase then that’ll be fine actually

otherwise I feel like it’ll be chasing down things that have no chance against it

[full pewter]

Exactly, bipedal stance could be focused on evasion, while quad is combat

[idle pelican]

it supposed to be random, its lame spawning on the same spot

[full pewter]

Spawn points also encourage hotspots to form, ever since they got removed hot spots have been way less frequent

[north quiver]

I was hoping random spawning would be true random spawning and not use the previous spawn points

[full pewter]

I know there’s spots on the map the devs don’t want or expect people to roam at much cause they haven’t gotten attention yet, like the northeast corner

[north quiver]

there’s patrol zones there

[limber hull]

you can make patrol zones wherever you want atm, fun fact

[north quiver]

you mean the way to make it delete your current one and pick the nearest one?

or do you mean making anywhere a patrol zone

(island patrol zone here I come if it’s the last one lol)

[full pewter]

They’re meant for players who wanna roam, ofc they’d be anywhere on the map

[full pewter]

Explain

[north quiver]

tell us your ways o’ skeleton of halloween

[limber hull]

yup, pick wherver

although... i've never tried it on the islands

i'll get back to you on that one

[north quiver]

is it clicking leave group when alone and waiting 10ish minutes?

[limber hull]

yea, its awesome

[north quiver]

oh yea it is

these are all the patrol locations I’ve gotten as a teno by doing that and exploring. tried it on the island and never got one

wrong one this one has one extra spot I’ve ran across

[glossy parrot]

wow I really love dying to A STUPID GLITCH. Does anyone know what the hell is up with this new bug where you can't do anything anfter eating? Just lost my fully grown dilo to an obnoxiously overly aggressive dibble who I didn't even attack. Had to log to fix it and logg back in to find mysellf dying. AWESOME!!!!

[wintry whale]

https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/783214088456896513

[tight iron]

public data

[abstract narwhal]

@rare patio The reason why friendly fire is on in groups is to add realism. That’s why you must be careful when fighting prey or predators. This would also be helpful in battle for weaker prey trying to escape. The prey escaping may want to doge through the predators and make them accidentally bite or pounce eachother like how it would be in a real battle. (This is why I think it’s on)

[limber hull]

its also to prevent people from just running in and spamming attacks with no care in a group fight

[abstract narwhal]

True

[elfin axle]

Beasts of Bermuda had a major issue in the past where friendship grade reduced friendly fire, resulting in people dogpiling on their opponent without any consequences. I'd rather not have that be a thing in The Isle lol

[rare patio]

Id mostly be okay with it if the hit boxes were not so jacked up lol I got hit by my friends teno tail and I wasn't even close to it to have been in the hit radius lol

@sudden shell for your deino letting go...do you have full stam when you do it? If you're low on stam, carrying something plus the bucking, it'll force you to let go. I think you get stunned after they successfully buck out of the grip, but I could be wrong.

[sudden shell]

full stam and excellent ping

[rare patio]

Then it might be that they're bucking you. Are you a fg?

[sudden shell]

fg

[limber hull]

istg bucking is not a thing for deinos

if it is then colour me surprised

[rare patio]

I thought with the new mechanics to it you could, but maybe I'm misremembering 😅😅

What things are you grabbing and are they in or out of the water?

[abstract narwhal]

Well that’s just the Teno’s hit radius 😭

Idk, I mean maybe they could decrease it if you’re in a group but that’s just a minor change

[icy lion]

Deino's lunge has very sensitive terrain detection to prevent them from shoving targets into rocks/meshes/under the map

Either it's a bug with the lunge itself, or the terrain detection is being aggressive

It could also be a lag spike making the game think RMB was released

[icy lion]

You can't buck a deino

[sudden shell]

found out what it was, and of all things it was the fact that i had on physics foliage. for SOME reason, having that box ticked made my lunges always cut short whether or not they hit something

[faint folio]

I was gonna say also, I play a pvp creature survival game that by default has friendly fire disabled. It's absolutely miserable because a much larger group can swarm you and very quickly delete you with no worry that they'll hurt their allies. Not good

With FF active, it's still a really hard fight if you're outnumbered and theyre well coordinated but at least you can't be mobbed

[boreal briar]

Just makes me think of a group of Cera charge biting in a huge mob. Or a bunch of Carnos charging through each other >.>

[tight iron]

@dawn frigate uh just so you know, just cause petits gets to over 100 players it doesn't mean every other server can get there, it depends on a ton of things

official servers with 140 people are just a nuke whereas most unofficials run with over 140

(i would love you to see officials with 120 players getting 170 ping average in your region with a 2 second lag and everyone teleporting

officials are a waste of time

[dawn frigate]

let’s not make excuses for actual companies spending less on server hardware than a community server lol

the only thing it depends on is the hardware. that is proportionate to effort and how much they actually care to invest.

[wintry whale]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

[dawn frigate]

zooming islander runs fine, 200+. same with islander semi-realism. if community servers can do it, there’s not much wiggle room to excuse the literal creators of the game. it’s absolutely within reach. it’s a matter of them caring about it - which they should, because we are rapidly losing NA playerbase due to literally being unable to play in their own region. it’s inexcusable.

[wintry whale]

By optimizing the game slowly rather than just paying more for servers, it allows the average community servers to be run at a more affordable price, it takes more development time though

[dawn frigate]

optimization has nothing to do with netcode and server hardware. optimization is entirely client side.

[north quiver]

only on the official servers with ai. the no ai servers run fine at 150

[wintry whale]

If that were true, I would agree with you

[dawn frigate]

somehow a bunch of randoms with a rented server can do it and the devs can’t? like lol. its not something defendable.

[north quiver]

at least back when it was populated lol

[dawn frigate]

i haven’t seen one of those break 15 players since i started playing

a quick fix would be to just make the NA no ai to a normal official

[wintry whale]

I’ve seen them full like, twice

But only after major updates

[north quiver]

the na one was populated a couple months back iirc

ping was actually good

150 players full with a queue

it was honestly fun but it sucked for little playables like beipi and ptera that rely on ai a lot for diet

the server should’ve had its own custom diets imo to fill the ai gaps and should’ve had school fish ai and other small ai

(but idk how the small ai would affect ping)

[faint folio]

Sure. When you're running 1-2 servers you can do that. Unless something has changed though, the devs are running 7 servers in NA alone? EU is similar, and SA and AU have less but still-- that's a ton of servers. Server rental costs starts adding up for that many.

[boreal briar]

@dawn frigate The performance was awful whenever they had over 120. Private servers can afford to put a whole bunch of money into one or two great servers. Meanwhile the developers have to pay for all the official, test, and development servers. Not to mention the other costs as a game company

[dawn frigate]

'whole bunch of money' do you think these discord point systems net more than like 300$ a month at best?
investing in your servers would actually keep players around and attract new ones. people literally cannot play in their region as it stands, that is a huge issue for player retention. those guys are not reccomending this to their friends

it was awful bc they run their servers on toasterware

[dawn frigate]

7? try 5. one is perma empty, no ai

[boreal briar]

That $300 could possibly pay for the server's monthly costs so.. Yeah, it's enough money to let them have a great single server.

[dawn frigate]

i know you want to defend this game bc you love it and i do too but you are making excuses for an actual company and a game over 10 years in development here

versus randoms renting a server

[boreal briar]

Just my opinion but whenever they have so many servers the population dies after like a month or two after the last update. Then they just have dead server sitting around that they then remove, and people get butthurt over losing dinosaurs

[dawn frigate]

there are 50+ queues on NA servers every day

this is a huge issue for anyone in the states who wants to actually play

[boreal briar]

Wouldn't know, I don't play during peak hours

[dawn frigate]

ok? thats A: a non-argument and B: we dont care?

[boreal briar]

Mh, more of an excuse for not caring much about the 50+ queues at a regions peak hours.

But again lets use the $300/month for a "randos" server and maybe $200 for The Isle's
That's $300 for them, mostly recouped by people who can afford to P2W.
200x10(?) for all the official and test servers. That's $2,000 month, which they'd need to sell like 100 copies to make up for just the server costs. It'd make it $1,000 more expensive just to match the other servers.

[faint folio]

THIS is exactly what I was getting at. The devs have to pay for many many servers in different regions. Even at 5 servers per region, with 4 regions that's 20 servers. Add a dev server, a closed test/QA server, and a couple HT servers and that's already a huge overhead cost. Whereas if they go for good but not great servers, that's money that can put to other costs (like paying devs)

[wintry whale]

@prime anvil Hopefully it becomes a thing

[icy lion]

@marble quail They've tried, it hasn't worked out

[marble quail]

Oh

That's really silly of Geforce maybe they should remove the listing

[limber hull]

@terse portal fun ceratosaurus fact, it has a literal colossal stomach due to a scavenger lifestyle

it eating more than carno is entirely intentional

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message
That's the only way I can think of to make ptera's flight less realistic than it currently is

Animals don't fly the same way as planes do

[dim canopy]

Just want to hear opinions on the "gliding helps regain stamina"

I notice it's sort of 50/50, and i'm curious to know both sides

I voted "yes", because in my mind it would have the same or less strain than walking, and would give a similar regen to stamina, maybe slightly faster, and would help with the issue of pteranodons having extremely limited stamina-for-flight from a patch a few updates ago.

It wouldn't be a "forever in the air" thing to be abused, but would definitely help with long-distance flights to reach food or water sources after escaping carnivore packs, or to help find a nesting ground.

[limber hull]

imagine if sprinting could regain stamina.

gliding is extremely fast, can bypass obstacles far better than any other style of movement, can be done for ages with no player input and so on

the fact that it DOESN'T consume any stamina is good enough. Ptera can already fly from one side of the island to the other in a single stam bar

ptera's glide outpaces many creatures, and if it sprint flies, it will outpace basically everything

[dim canopy]

So? It's flying.

That's a bad argument on my end. I don't see the issue.

[limber hull]

how is it a bad argument. it can cross the entire island in a single stam bar. it can avoid any obstacle other creatures need to deal with (terrain, water, rocks, walls). it is exceptionally fast. the fact it costs nothing is extremely lenient. ptera being able to regen in the air would literally make it never need to land beyond very rare stops for food and water (unless you have the reabsorption mutation, which means the water issue becomes a non-issue, meaning you only need to conern yourself with food, which you can eat anywhere)

[lilac bolt]

Basically it makes ptera way too easy even compared to others dinos it's size

[dim canopy]

And I've never seen someone fly in a single stam bar from one end of the map to the other. Terrain helps preventing that lest someone goes atop a mountain. Region by region I can see, but extremely long-distance flight to reach the various areas can take excessive amount of time. Gliding with a small degree of stamina regen helps in the Pteranodon's favour without breaking them entirely, especially if- (MY BAD ARGUMENT. Not yours.) - regaining speed in flight helps to balance it out.

[barren zephyr]

Im not entirely sure why the No Ai servers even exist. Nobody plays on them.

[limber hull]

there's a reason ptera's being reworked into a more terrestrial animal. it simply doesn't do enough or engage with the rest of the ecosystem

also it's just not that fun atm lol

[dim canopy]

10/10 gameplay. Flying. Peace. No pain in the chest from stressing about carnivores or murder-hobo-herbivores.

[lilac bolt]

Yeah as much as I want ptera to fly really well it can't be a part of the ecosystem if it is just flying all the time

[dim canopy]

And does it need to engage?

[barren crater]

Yes

[lilac bolt]

Every dino does in some way

[barren crater]

It should have moments of weakness

[limber hull]

new ptera will be more terrestrial. Faster and more capable on land, but arguably less able to spend most of its time in the air (but able to use rising currents of hot air to push itself upwards without needing to expend stam). It will be designed to be within the same ecosystem as the arboreals, like hypsis or herreras

basically, an animal that interacts more with players and the environment, playing differently based on weather and whatnot

[dim canopy]

This is genuine, why though? I can't think of where it fits in an ecosystem beyond "snack"

I always viewed it as the "relax for a bit" sort of dinosaur.

[limber hull]

it may be more like that with the rework. current ptera struggles because ptera players liked to mixpack and act as "find 'em kill 'em scouts"

[lilac bolt]

That's another issue tbh it's too weak to do anything which makes sense since nothing can attack upwards but still

[barren crater]

The ptera you want will probably never appear on officials sadly. The community made it that way with the way they play. I would enjoy a more chill ptera though

[dim canopy]

It's too weak since it's not really a predator for any playable dinosaurs that aren't a hatchling or small enough to be grabbed (which is also just hatchlings). It goes for fish, frogs, carcasses.

[dim canopy]

It WAS that for a while. Then it became "rah, more ecosystem, rah". And now it's just arse.

[limber hull]

it was never because of the ecosystem i'm afraid

it was because of the people who wanted to get an unfair advantage

[barren crater]

Agreed. It's meant to be played in a specific boring way right now

I hope the rework makes it a bit more interesting

[dim canopy]

I miss the days of soaring high in the air, getting beautiful screenshots to share with the community, enjoying the company of other pteras, fishing for food and finding oasis' for flying dinosaurs or those who can reach it, exploring the map to create maps from a birds-eye view up high.

[limber hull]

I actually am really excited for the rework

[lilac bolt]

And like the vent things will help it fly better whenever those get added

[dim canopy]

Now that's all exponentially harder

[limber hull]

An animal that actually interacts with the environment and weather rather than have it be a passive hinderance? Awesome

Weather interacting how an animal is played sounds so much more interesting

[lilac bolt]

I'd still like it to fly pretty well though. rather it not be ground ridden most of the time it is our only flyer rn.

[dim canopy]

A ground ridden ptera will have me with a pitchfork and a torch

[limber hull]

It's not ground-ridden, just more terrestrial

[lilac bolt]

I think it'd be fine if it's more ground ridden if it has a faster take off otherwise it's just gonna die to everything

[limber hull]

It's faster on the ground

(in the rework, that is)

[lilac bolt]

Hopefully rn it's unbearably slow

[tight iron]

this is not an excuse tho, it's the opposite

[dim canopy]

Ptera changes make me emotional. Hard to make good arguments when you're both furious and sad about the changes to your favourite playable creature that made it worse and just annoying to play as.

[lilac bolt]

now that I'm thinking about the devs are kind of making it a more terrestrial flyer like quetzal huh interesting

[limber hull]

it's a solution to the "flyer problem". If you make flight more of a tool than a crutch, you make those animals not entirely isolated from the rest of the game

[dim canopy]

I hope they at least let it regain some stamina while latched onto a tree... Real animals do that for security. Stuff still gets them! (cough, herra, cough), but it's safer than needing to find a bush or something.

[lilac bolt]

Yeah makes it a more engaging playable neat

[lilac bolt]

It does rn it's just slow

[dim canopy]

Friggen when?! Back when I still played it did jack.

It just latched you, and the stamina regen was static.

[lilac bolt]

Since the last ht

It's only starts to regen at a certain stam percentage so if your stam is too low it won't do anything

I forget the specifics though

[dim canopy]

Yeah, that would be annoying. Should've been regardless.

Got me all excited for a second

[lilac bolt]

It's currently in the game?

It's just really slow and like I said only does it from a certain range.

[dim canopy]

Fricken bruh

I cannot win to get some better stamina opportunities 😭

That was too fast! Aint no way he read the whole thing.

[limber hull]

i did

branches are there for that

herreras being able to regen all their stam in palm trees would be beyond lame, especially since they are meant to be more forest animals than anything

also adding glitches as a con is wild lol

[dim canopy]

Fine, i'll just remove the "glitches" word.

[limber hull]

predation also isn't a downside since you'd be well above the rest of the species who would not be able to hunt you. you'd be equally safe, if not safer, than a branch

besides, ptera already can regen while clinged

herrera doesn't need it because it's meant to climb to the top of trees and rest in the safety of the canopies

[lilac bolt]

It's not really worth doing rn though

[dim canopy]

@lilac bolt Give opinion, I beg of thee

[limber hull]

i hard disagree, i've found great value out of it

as of my last time playing ptera, it was my go to regen method

so efficient

[dim canopy]

Suspicious 👀

[limber hull]

tf is suspicious about playing ptera and playing it a certain way lol

[lilac bolt]

I wouldn't mind if it was just a little faster though if I remember right it's slower than just going to a random bush and resting.

[dim canopy]

[limber hull]

it def feels faster to me lol

[dim canopy]

Infinitely slower.

[limber hull]

it's actually much better for stam on the go, since you get the regen instantly, rather than having to ramp-up

it's a unique trade-off. Faster stam early, slower stam the longer you do it compared to resting

[lilac bolt]

Idk I didn't use it that much the last time it played ptera

[limber hull]

i did, and i very much appreciated it being there

made the ptera experience so much better

nowhere to rest besides the floor or palm-trees? well now you can actually gain stam from those palm trees for a bit

[lilac bolt]

Hmmm might have to use it more next time I play as it if it's as good as you say

[limber hull]

it's fine on ptera because unlike herrera, it literally isn't moving or doing anything. It getting stam regen makes clinging functionally viable

Clinging on herrera gives it the ability to move up, down, left or right on the surface, the ability to do a super long jump/ambush, and you can sprint up a tree too. Plus, herrera is meant to lie on the branches. Big difference

Herrera should want to scurry to the top of a tree for stamina

Especially as an ambush predator, having the ability to regen while clinged means there is never a point where it has to stop hunting

Because jumping costs so little, it can jump, kill, climb back, regen all expended stamina, repeat

Absolutely no need for any form of stamina management

Also means herrera doesn't need to be as environmentally consious. As long as any vertical surface exists, herrera has free, safe stam regen. South plains cliffs, highlands/North East plains palm trees, all can just be used for free stamina, making herrera not even required to hunt in its preferred environment, even as a creature who is already VERY strong

[lilac bolt]

Yup

Yeah herrera is probably in my opinion the best at where it's at rn and doesn't really need any changes tbh

Maybe some slight QoL stuff but stat and mechanic wise it's probably the most solid out of all of the carnivores.

[limber hull]

It really doesn't need buffs atm, it's perfectly fine as-is

[abstract narwhal]

@tawny pendant
Cera’s footsteps: 🔉
Cera’s eating: 🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊

[rare patio]

So this person on reddit is asking if troodons are nocturnal hunters, like the Dilo, and what makes them nocturnal hunters, if they are and I'm like fumbling trying to explain lol

[proud coral]

Well, they've got good night vision then again most carnivores do right now if I recall correctly
Uh....they can hide easier I guess.

.....'bout it honestly

[rare patio]

They also have the more potent venom, right? Where they get the stages?

At night is it like a Dilo where one bite is enough to get it to stage 3?

[proud coral]

That's just Dilo. Troodon's venom is the same day or night 😮

[rare patio]

Ah okay, thank you!

[icy lion]

@daring talon What?

[daring talon]

its a request for phase 3

i request human firearms firing

am i not allowed to request that?

[lilac bolt]

they do?

[icy lion]

They can already shoot if that's what you mean

[daring talon]

o

[icy lion]

And #phase-three-requests isn't for game suggestions

[daring talon]

do they do anything

[icy lion]

Damage

[daring talon]

do i need bullets

[lilac bolt]

no

[daring talon]

so i can just shoot the dinosauirs

[lilac bolt]

yeah if you want to I guess?

[daring talon]

do i have to find the gun

[lilac bolt]

no just press 1-3 for the guns if the server has them enabled

[cunning night]

@coarse spruce thx for complementing my feedback

[formal onyx]

@fossil wing im not saying that it needs a speed reduction or anything. and even if its the slowest land carnivore, it can still easily catch up to tenos and corner diablos. with instant puke, you can kill anything pachy sized or smaller if you get the ambush. the speed mutations also make cera faster than teno

oh you deleted your post?

[fossil wing]

Yeah because it wasn't showing up so I thought it was glitched, but I posted it on the feedback one instead

[fossil wing]

Also teno is faster than a cera unless the cera has the speed boost mut

[formal onyx]

yea just barely faster by .2 km i believe

but thats not a reason for cera to not get nerfed

[fossil wing]

Not saying it shouldn't, the only thing that should be nerfed is the vomit, before the vomit buff cera was kinda bad, but its speed shouldn't be touched leave that as is

[formal onyx]

Yea i dont think the speed should be touched at all. I was just listing all of cera's strengths

if anything the speed mutations need to be tweaked. kinda sucks feeling forced to grab them as teno if i dont want to fight a megapack of ceras

[fossil wing]

Well yeah cera does have a bunch of strengths but that's because its a some what new dino so most likely dinos in the future will have some unique stuff like diablo and cera do

[formal onyx]

i think cera is past the point of being new. Even if things are to be improved in the future with new dinos, it doesn't make sense to leave something broken in the game now.

[eternal zinc]

yeah cera isnt new

[fossil wing]

New as in more updated than the other roster, so that is why it has such a unique roll other than some of the other dinos that have just charge or pounce, same with troodon, troodon is one of the later releases so that's why it has such a unique and complicated ability compared to the older dinos, once they start actually updating the old dinos abilities then ceras strengths wont seem so out of place also I agree its bile shouldn't insta vomit and should be reworked to probably do something different

[limber hull]

personally i feel cera has been overtuned well before the vomit got buffed. The vomit buff really just pushed it over

cerato has never once been a bad animal, it has always been one of if not the best carnivores, and worst of all, it has never once needed to be a scavenger

it's just another generic hunter animal

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

so just make the game carni megapack sim lol

[gentle flint]

They’re already all over the map lmao, you just have to know where to look

[limber hull]

Well, he's specifically asking for "NPC dinos" which is bleh

[gentle flint]

Fair enough, I hated the tenos, they were so obnoxious

[north quiver]

npc dinos for just your own server or single player experience is fine but they have no place in official servers lol it’s more authentic if you’re looking at something and know for a fact it’s another thinking human being on a computer

[lucid mauve]

Agree, without vomit it would be very weak. Even tho i do think they need to change the vomit as it is now

[limber hull]

not even true, play bacteria-less cerato in an admin server and you'll realise how bacteria is only a crutch, and cerato's basekit is insane even without it

it's actually crazy how good cerato is, bacteria is entirely unnecessary for it

ideally, both bacteria and its basekit are tuned down so it actually needs bacteria, because atm, it's perfectly fine without it

[lucid mauve]

Crazy good, lol nope your wrong. It rely on bacteria bite, if they nerf it they need to change something else.

U can easy 1v1 as dilo, even now

[limber hull]

i mean... yea? dilo can literally spawn clones on top of you for instant damage? that doesn't make cerato bad

[lucid mauve]

Imagne beeing a scav and cant even fend a dilo off, yea crazy good

[limber hull]

so we're using dilo's overpowered state to excuse cera's overpowered state?

fascinating

how about we nerf both, because both are strong

and both have insane levels of cheese

[lucid mauve]

Ohh so dilo is op aswell now

[limber hull]

except dilo is actually useless without it's venom, and cerato is slightly inconvinienced without its bacteria

[lucid mauve]

Deino is useless without grab,omni is bad without pounce. Herrera is bad without jump, dilo is bad without venom etc

[limber hull]

@barren crater you know a lot about cerato, does a cerato clap without bacteria

[limber hull]

yup, and cerato is fine without bacteria

all these animals need their abilities but cera is fine lol

[lucid mauve]

You need bird to back you up again ?

[limber hull]

sorry for asking a QA member who does frequent testing for his input i guess

[lucid mauve]

You play the game, you get your own experience.

[limber hull]

i play the game and cerato is powerful even without bile when i play it

that's my experience with it. it's insanely strong

[lucid mauve]

Ok, not mine. I have zero problem with ceras if they heavy nerf its vomit. Unless they change something else.

Depends ofcorurse what i play

[limber hull]

most ceratos are dogwater and rely on their insanely overpowered animal to carry them through everything lmao, that's what happens when an animal is dominant

when animal OP, everyone plays the animal, even if they have no idea what they're doing

[lucid mauve]

Right now most dinos rely heavy on their mechanic, not much else.

[cursive hinge]

it has everything literally

• eat to heal mutation and less damage from bigger animals makes it a tank

[lucid mauve]

eat the heal is dumb, but most dinos also can tank more with it

[limber hull]

except cerato. cerato doesn't need it. it having bile only acts as a crutch for an animal that was already strong without.

I am not suggesting remove bile. I am suggesting to nerf the bile, then parts of its basekit to actually make it functionally fair

[lucid mauve]

The fact i facetanked a cera two times as dilo, and didnt even care about the dmg or the bleed.

[cursive hinge]

it is dumb lol

[limber hull]

that is a dogwater cerato LMAO

if a cerato lets a dilo facetank it, that's a massive cerato skill issue

[lucid mauve]

Dont matter, im dumb and bad enough to facetank a cera. And still it didnt even hurt

[cursive hinge]

ceras shouldn't be able to bully carnos

[limber hull]

no, that's fine

it's meant to bully. It bullying carnos is literally one of the only things it does that it's SUPPOSED to

[cursive hinge]

it isn't fine becouse previosly carnos were much bigger and they got smaller so ceras could use the new bacteria system

[cursive hinge]

ceras should be scavangers, not running killing machines

i mean they are the only things that can kill big herbivores right now

[limber hull]

i agree, but carno can easily escape it, so that's not an issue.

dibbles and stegos, on the other hand, should not be so goddamn petrified of cerato

[lucid mauve]

I agree, but when i can facetank a cera sa dilo two times and dont even care about dmg or bleed and still run around it like an idiot. Somethings off

[limber hull]

it's the cerato's skill

that's what's off

[lucid mauve]

Also its the dilo skills, i can facetank it i dont need to care about the cera. Il just go straight in and dont care

[cursive hinge]

ngl i was able to tank a lot of hits from cera as a dilo

[lucid mauve]

yea , same

Im not saying cera should easy 1v1 something like dilo, but atleast if dilo facetanked it should hurt. So i would need to use braincell when attacking it

[limber hull]

if you use the "take less damage", and the cerato is dumb and refuses to use any of its attacks, then yea, probably can facetank it

[cursive hinge]

and from my experience, diffrent dinos kill diffrent dinos easier

[lucid mauve]

I facetanked it, the cera hit me both times. He did nothing wrong, but i didnt care about the dmg or bleed

[cursive hinge]

carno can bully dilos without any suffer

while ceras bully carnos

[limber hull]

that would be 300 damage, almost half your health

[limber hull]

that's exactly how it's meant to be

[lucid mauve]

Yea, so i could even facetank more. I just need the venom in

[cursive hinge]

yea

[barren crater]

The damage on charge bite? Yeah i think it's a bit overkill. It should be more in line with tenos kick imo

Zero stam cost, 0 cooldown, high damage attack that is easy to pull off? Needs a drawback

Bacteria makes it insanely good as well

[barren crater]

More of a dilo issue than cerato lol

Dilo only needs to get you purple and it doesn't have to interact

Only thing saving us is how buggy / unreliable hallucinations are

If dilo was completely functional it would need nerfs lol

[limber hull]

very true. dilo needs a whole rework imho to actually make it interactable, atm, it's just kinda got confirmed ranged damage

[urban flax]

humans with snipers but worse

[limber hull]

wouldn't go that far

[urban flax]

Human with a sniper rifle :
Runs slow
Can miss its shot
Limited ammo
70 hp
Very long range
Cannot hit through walls

Dilo with venom (currently) :
Runs fast
Guaranteed damage after the first hit
Regenerating ammo
700 hp
Very long (possibly infinite ?) range
Can hit through walls

[lucid mauve]

Wait, he calls you in you agree he reply lol. Neways, i think cera needs something else. The fact you can facetank cera 3-4 times and dont care says alot. If dilo would need 4 hits to get venom in that would make it really bad.

[lucid mauve]

And what you mean with interact? It will prob be alot of animals who dont need much of interaction, if you are talking about the usual fights.